Subversive Group Anonymous Send Warning to Campbell Newman!
November 1, 2013
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theguttertrash.com 
I AM NOT ALONE! 😯
Yay for subversion!
It reminds the totalitarians that they only think that they have control of every facet.
I agree with the sentiment of the statement, but what’s with the Guy Fawkes mask and the electronically altered voice? It must be because of the implied threat at the end: “We do not forgive, we do not forget. Expect us.”
Anonymous wankers.
How very civil libertarian of you. 🙄
I think the mask is from that poxy, superficial movie, V for vendetta.
I can only assume that you actually do recognise the slippery slope which Newman’s legislation engenders. There are enough existing laws to deal with bikies.
Attacks upon freedom of association are perilously open ended.
Subversion is only ok when it’s undertaken by the likes of the CIA. 🙄
Um, I said I agree with the sentiment of the statement. It’s just the faux ‘subversion’ I have an issue with.
*eye rolls* are subversive. 🙄
Is there three people here … the frontman, cameraman and … ? Is this breaking the law?
Noddy has made his own threats …
What happens if four Hawthorne fans get together in a pub in club colours?
This is how stupid this really is … as i said at the outset, the bikies will simply go underground … The Nitwits are just a bunch of fkn amateur tools …
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Stuff Totalitarian State! And all Totalitarians …
Subversives R Us. Gotcher Guy Fawkes masks right here.
There was nothing in that statement that would have raised an eyebrow if one of the panel had said it on Sunday morning’s Insiders, except for the pantywaist threat at the end. Ooooh, scary.
l can`t see the video, and l didn`t find anything text-based yet, so l can only assume that so-called subversion is about Bikers also `dealing` with Noddy.
l really don`t worry about `grassy-knoll` events, that probably won`t happen, but if the nsa and afp cock-suckers do some panty-wetting, that`s fine.
Have you read, Paul Ham’s, ‘Hiroshima Nagasaki, TB?
It mounts a solid argument against some of the rubbish I witnessed here earlier this year which tried to morally defend & justify the US dropping nukes on civilian populations. There are definite, credible alternatives to conservative revisionism & apologetics.
http://www.harpercollins.com.au/books/hiroshima
V for Vendetta was a load of trumped up Hollywood shit. Anonymous, getting airplay for highlighting scum like Newman is a net positive.
HD, I’ve just downloaded a copy … in the middle of First Victory and I think its called “With The Australians” … first book (hard copy) is to do with the Sydney/Emden battle and the second (ebook) is about the ANZACS from Gallipoli to France (first person account by a bloke who went through the ranks private, NCO, officer and was a scout … the two books read really well together (they both mention the same events but from a different perspective).
I’m a bit of a fan of Paul Ham (Kokoda and VN Australia’s War are both in my study) and I’ve always argued that the bombs need not have been dropped … it was pure vindictiveness, I reckon … I have another book I read last year about an Ausssie POW who ended up in Hiroshima when the bomb was dropped! Good read …
‘When you have to deal with a beast you have to treat him as a beast. It is most regrettable but nevertheless true.′
I thought it unnecessary to drop it on populated cities, when they could have dropped them offshore and asked for a surrender. That would have been the humane thing, but they wanted revenge for Pearl Harbour and the abuse of POWs.
I put the offshore proposition to the wife of a Burma POW and she abused me unmercifully.
Dresden was also unnecessary, but by war”s end the savagery on both sides, kill or be killed, victory over totalitarianism was the only future worth considering.
Its a beastly business.
“I thought it unnecessary to drop it on populated cities, when they could have dropped them offshore and asked for a surrender.”
Problem with that argument is they dropped it on a city and they still refused to surrender.
Point taken, a case of too much pride to surrender. This place is a hive of knowledge.
Its Fake
Pro-civilian-smiters would do well to read that book.
It deals with their myriad misplaced justifications.
As much as anything, it was Uncle Sam beating his chest & rattling his sabre at Uncle Joe.
“Pro-civilian-smiters would do well to read that book.”
In the meantime, perhaps you’d like to summarise its main arguments so we have something to discuss.
“As much as anything, it was Uncle Sam beating his chest & rattling his sabre at Uncle Joe.”
A theory that seems easily refuted by the contemporaneous evidence.
The Authentic History Centre: The decision to Use the Atomic Bomb.
Arguments against.
Arguments in support.
Good reads, I’m convinced they had little choice other than to drop the bombs on cities and get a surrender. It clearly saved millions of lives on both sides.
This is a wonderful way to wage war, so little collateral damage and we get to take out the head honchos.
‘Pakistani Taliban chief Hakimullah Mehsud has died after a US drone strike in the country’s north-western tribal region, military officials and members of his militia say.
‘A drone fired four missiles at a compound in the Dande Darpa Khel area of the restive North Waziristan tribal district, near the Afghan border, two military officials said.
‘Two of Mehsud’s associates were also killed in the attack, the second of its kind in as many days.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-drone-strike-believed-to-have-killed-the-leader-of-the-pakistan-taliban-20131102-2wstw.html#ixzz2jQY354OZ
A theory that seems easily refuted by the contemporaneous evidence.
They didn’t surrender after Hiroshima because it was unconditional …
Theories are just that … the bombing of civilian targets as a fear campaign is to be abhorred whoever does it (Germany, Britain, Russia, USA or Japan)! I always wondered why they atom bombed Hiroshima and not Tokyo …
The prime reason the Yanks always “reasoned” was to save US soldiers’ lives having to invade the main island of Japan from the sea … would Australia have surrendered to Japan if we had been invaded?
Would we surrender to Indonesia or China if they decided they could manage this country and its resources better than we can? And they dropped a bomb on say … Melbourne?
‘ ‘ ‘ ‘This is a wonderful way to wage war,’ ‘ ‘ ‘ 🙄
and keep it going for years, and probably collapse Pakistan,
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘so little collateral damage and’ ‘ ‘ ‘ 🙄
if 30 innocent, killed with each `target` floats ya boat.
But often the `target` is wrong and innocent too.
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘we get to take out the head honchos.’ ‘ ‘ ‘ 🙄
Same error as Israel, forever fighting `small` cells and `lone-wolves`,
THE DUMPTY PROTOCOL
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This is a wonderful way to administer justice, so little collateral damage and we get to take out the criminals.
‘Sydney Crime Boss Hakimullah Mehsud has died after a NSW-DOJ drone strike in the citie’s north-western suburban region, NSW Police and members of his crime gang say.
‘A drone fired four missiles at a block of flats in the Camden area of the North West suburban district, two NSW Police officials said.
‘Two of Mehsud’s associates were also killed in the attack, the second of its kind in as many days.’
Coming Soon To City `you` may Live In.
I like drones … but then I was once stuck in a uniform, given a rifle and trained to kill or be killed … luckily I didn’t get to the final assessement … yep, much prefer drones … 🙄 🙄
“perhaps you’d like to summarise its main arguments so we have something to discuss.”
I’m not about to paraphrase over 500 pages, plus references. Read the book.
“A theory that seems easily refuted by the contemporaneous evidence.”
Not by the brief paragraph in that link to Atomic Diplomacy. The book fleshes out why those few sentences are cherry picking. The quote from Truman, especially, is devoid of context & doesn’t mention his many other deliberations.
TB is correct, in that the major sticking point for surrender was US insistence (primarily due to the political breeze at home) on clinging to (then deceased) Roosevelt’s “unconditional surrender” terminology.
The Japanese had been making overtures (up to and including a message from Hirohito himself) of surrender to the Russians (whom they hoped to mediate the cessation of hostilities) well before the bombs were dropped. The US had long been able to decode Japanese diplomatic & military communications and were fully aware of these background attempts at ending the war …but they (Byrnes in particular) had other motivations.
“I’m convinced they had little choice other than to drop the bombs on cities and get a surrender. It clearly saved millions of lives on both sides.”
Then you should read the book too. Japan was already defeated, with virtually no remaining offensive capability; out of oil, food & war materiel. The US naval blockade of Japan had strangled it, along with the ongoing (now unopposed) air campaign of both precision (against strategic targets) & incendiary terror (against civilian concentrations) bombings.
Dropping the A-bombs also provided them with the opportunity to study its damage & the proceeding effects of irradiation (which they happily measured over a protracted period but didn’t assist the victims ). Pretty fucken cynical behaviour from the world’s self appointed moral guardian, imo.
Obviously, the above mentioned issue of making Stalin sit up & take stock was also a factor. Once again, read the book; it goes into great detail about it.
I’m sure TB will read the book (I doubt anyone else will bother). He is likely to draw similar conclusions from it.
Stupid fkn bold!
Was supposed to highlight the word “unconditional” only. The Japanese interpreted unconditional as the extinction of their society.
fixed by the blog fairy.
* many thanks! 🙂
Drones are just an extension of the US’s yearning to dominate all spheres.
Those links to history centre (?) are quite good, but I’d describe the pro-bomb arguments as derivative & lacking in much detail.
From docos l`ve seen, Japan was already fcuked,
and collapsing in on itself, pre-A-bombz
1-navy destroyed
2-kamikaze destroyed
3-supply chain destroyed
4-scattered jap-forces, with food/amo shortage
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A-bombs dropped because,
1-revenge for ceasing teh-usa war profiteering, coz pearl-harbor
2-science experiment, see results on people `within-real-city`
3-demonstrate teh-usa military power to rest of world
4-ensure teh-usa is major player in `victors-spoils`
“Those links to history centre (?) are quite good, but I’d describe the pro-bomb arguments as derivative & lacking in much detail.”
Both sides of the argument were written by the same history teacher, but you only perceive problems with one. Interesting.
I’m sure TB will read the book
I’m sure he will too, HD!
You may also find, “Road to Hiroshima” by Kenneth Harrison interesting … he was a POW (sent from Changi) who went into Hiroshima just after the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki … collected quite a lot of samurai swords too! 😉
No, I merely only commented on what I’d read at the link you provided. Obviously, the link hasn’t crammed 500+ pages of relevant information & references in. Thus, it is derivative.
As far as I know, Paul Ham’s, other books on Australian military history are well regarded. If you ever read it, I’d be interested to discuss it with you, particularly if you still saw the targets of the world’s first nuclear strikes to be legitimate & morally uncompromising.
The USA, still the only country on Earth to nuke cities full of civilians.
Yes, TB, apparently there were many pows in Hiroshima…and elderly, young & infirm. The majority of able bodied males/husbands/fathers were off dying in a losing war.
“I merely only commented on what I’d read at the link you provided.”
I linnked to both the arguments in support, and the arguments against. You can’t admit you criticised only the “pro-bomb” arguments. Says a lot.
“I’d describe the pro-bomb arguments as derivative & lacking in much detail.”
‘Same error as Israel, forever fighting `small` cells and `lone-wolves`
Better than another holocaust. Think SF with a bounty on the heads of really bad guys, pull out the old mutually assured deterrent manual (MAD) and tweak it ever so slightly.
The aim of the game is to stop possible mass murderers before they begin mayhem.
Quite frankly egg,
l see no difference of
1-`bomber` detonating on bus,
2-lsrael`s killing of palesinians,
3-Drones `dropping` on `targets`
or any of the other bullshit that goes on, coz they ALL are killing civillians in the dozens, they are ALL despots
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‘ ‘ ‘ ‘Better than another holocaust.’ ‘ ‘ ‘
well egg, lsreal has been `aggressor` since ww2, so that`s really a moot and somewhat dopey point, they have nukies,
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‘ ‘ ‘Think SF’ ‘ ‘ . . . SF.?
Science fiction, 10 years hence there is universal agreement amongst all powers that an individual or group maybe the catalyst for WW3, so they unanimously agree to take him out. I don’t have a problem with this.
Everyone has the technology.
‘Data from the International Institute for Strategic Studies, which it has allowed us to re-publish here on the Datablog, identifies 56 different types of UAVs used in 11 different countries. Where it can calculate actual stocks, this covers 807 drones in active service around the world – and this is a huge underestimate: number data is not available for China, Turkey and Russia.’
Guardian
ahh egg`sy, science-fiction, also known about these parts as `co2-and-you` 😆
We could then look at all the `interwebs-based` spying, tapping and hacking and conclude `skynet` and, throw in the drones and conclude `terminator`,.?
Exactly, whatever it takes to avoid mass conflagration.
Up until today you’d only posted pjmedia pro-apologetics in links. Says a lot.
I’m confident that my knowledge on the issue is better accumulated than via ideological distribution centres.
Going back to WW2, the Japanese threatend to kill 100,000 POW if the allied forces attempt an invasion. The numbers killed in Nagasaki and Hiroshima were probably less, so it was a reasonable trade-off and brought the enemy to his senses.
Should have checked my facts first.
‘… the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki, with roughly half of the deaths in each city occurring on the first day.’
Yes I think it would have been much better for the Japs to have surrendered to the Russians.
For all concerned.
The outcomes for the peoples of the nations which did surrender to the Russians were far preferable to the outcomes for those who surrendered to Western nations like the US and Great Britain.
“History is written by the victors.” – Churchill
Way to not get the point, snacty.
Go read the book.
Way to not get the point, snacty.
Wonder if, James, knows who clobbered the Russian navy just before WWI … iggorance is such bliss … and the subsequent relationship …
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oh, how we laffed!
http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news-awards-honour-australias-top-media-talent/story-fnii5v6w-1226751621666
Here we go with the TB “I know more about war than anyone else” crap.
Please, TB, explain how the Russo Japanese War of 1904-05 is in any way relevant to preferred surrender options in 1945.
*This should be good.
oh-snacky 🙄
it`s simple, `victors-spoils`
Noone here said that the Japanese were going to surrender to the Russians. 🙄
You drew that inaccurate conclusion yourself.
Japan had merely sought (and was rejected/ignored by Stalin) Russian mediation of the negotiated terms of cessation of hostilities because they were concerned with the US’s insistence on unconditional surrender. The US had intercepted & decoded all of this diplomatic communication well prior to the dropping of the bombs. They were therefore quite aware of Japanese explorations of ending the war.
Just go read the book snacty.
Also, TB is correct, the conflict of 1904-05 was relevant to background maneuvrings between the countries.
‘…explain how the Russo Japanese War of 1904-05 is in any way relevant to preferred surrender options in 1945?’
The Meiji Period saw a buildup of armaments to fend off colonialism and used effectively in WW1. After the war, militarism combined with Shintoism, set up a nasty precedence for the end of WW2.
Dying for the emperor was considered honourable.
Here we go with the TB “I know more about war than anyone else” crap.
Well there ya go, James … crap? And I didn’t say a word … get the fkn chips off your shoulderS before you sink with the fkn weight … military/political history is one of my HOBBIES … its had a massive influence on me and my family …
It might be a competition to you … all I’ve done is just read and experienced and tried to share it … you might try it some day … you seem to think its a crime for people to have some knowledge or experience …
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China joins the MAD Club.
‘Chinese state-run media revealed for the first time this week that Beijing’s nuclear submarines can attack American cities as a means to counterbalance U.S. nuclear deterrence in the Pacific.
“This is the first time in 42 years since the establishment of our navy’s strategic submarine force that we reveal on such a large scale the secrets of our first-generation underwater nuclear force,” the Global Times said in a lengthy article titled “China for the First Time Possesses Effective Underwater Nuclear Deterrence against the United States.”
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/inside-china-nuclear-submarines-capable-of-widespr/#ixzz2jeM8DGe3
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
‘Supporters have called the group “freedom fighters” and “digital Robin Hoods” while critics have described them as a “cyber-lynch mob.”
‘I’n 2012, Time magazine called Anonymous one of the “100 most influential people” in the world.’
SMH
http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/queensland-premier-campbell-newman-threatened-in-viral-video-apparently-posted-by-hacker-group-anonymous/story-fnii5v6w-1226752216235
Chief Magistrate Carmody is already in the pocket of NoddyNewman & The Nitwits it seems …
http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/all-bikie-bail-decisions-usually-made-by-individual-judges-now-rest-with-states-chief-magistrate-tim-carmody/story-fnii5v6w-1226753074467
Noddy might have been a fan of JBP but he is just as ignorant of the separation of powers … how long will this BS go on until people start to wake up …
This is exactly the reason I really, really, get concerned with landslide election results … the incumbents get power giddy … and subsequently make stupid, expensive and damaging
mistakesdecisionsIt is not just the large majority but also the imbecilic unicameral system. It won’t be long before someone tells him that Bikies will be more likely to confess when waterboarded.
And then Bikies become Junkies and Junkies become Footbal Fans and Football Fans become ALP supporters and ALP supporters become anyone who opposes the goodness of the government …
Does Noddy remind you of anyone …
https://www.google.com.au/#newwindow=1&q=Goebbels
I hate EXTREMES! They lead to only one outcome … confrontation.
It won’t be long before someone tells him that Bikies will be more likely to confess when waterboarded.
apparently making them wear pink overalls will do it 🙄
The qld police want a return to the JBP days, a corrupt and violent police state, where they ruled supreme. The bikies are a trojan horse.
Is There a Revolution Coming? Americans Finally Realize Global Capitalism Is a Murderous Sham:
http://www.alternet.org/revolution?paging=off¤t_page=1#bookmark
…An increasing number of Americans are getting it. They know that we have been stripped of political power. They recognize that we have been shorn of our most basic and cherished civil liberties, and live under the gaze of the most intrusive security and surveillance apparatus in human history. Half the country lives in poverty. Many of the rest of us, if the corporate state is not overthrown, will join them. These truths are no longer hidden….
…The right has retreated into Christian fascism and a celebration of the gun culture. The left, knocked off balance by decades of fierce state repression in the name of anti-communism, is struggling to rebuild and define itself. Popular revulsion for the ruling elite, however, is nearly universal. It is a question of which ideas will capture the public’s imagination…
…Revolution usually erupts over events that would, in normal circumstances, be considered meaningless or minor acts of injustice by the state. But once the tinder of revolt has piled up, as it has in the United States, an insignificant spark easily ignites popular rebellion…
…The refusal by the corporate state to address even the minimal grievances of the citizenry, along with the abject failure to remedy the mounting state repression, the chronic unemployment and underemployment, the massive debt peonage that is crippling more than half of Americans, and the loss of hope and widespread despair, means that blowback is inevitable…
‘I’n 2012, Time magazine called Anonymous one of the “100 most influential people” in the world.’
They have the guts and the skills to do what the rest of us would like to.
Queensland cops are “fighting” for the “right” to take their weapons home with them …
Opening Pandora’s Box … is always frought with escalation …
KL, nice to see we are not alone in recognising the continuing control of The Robber Barons … how naieve of folk to think they had simply gone away … speaking of naieve, a bit like Noddy Newman & The Nitwits thinking that they’ve “solved” the bikie problem in Qld by sticking a truncheon into the ants nests … 🙄
‘ ‘ ‘ ‘Queensland cops are “fighting” for the “right” to take their weapons home with them’ ‘ ‘ ‘
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Yeah, that sounds like a `phurphy`, cops l`ve met, or family, common for cops to have non-job fire-arms, (not `absolute` tho)
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The panty-wetting will probably continue, wearing Guy-Fawks masks, leads to wearing make-up and drag-queening, which of course leads to wearing `terrorist` hijab and exploding.
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Join the dots. lt`s quite clear.
Off Topic
‘If only the naysayers would take a moment out of their busy schedule of depicting the PM as a one-man destroyer of marriage equality, the irony might dawn on them.
‘After years of inaction under so-called progressives, there’s a distinct possibility that gay marriage will finally be legalised under Abbott’s watch.
‘A conservative government ushering in a bold new era of tolerance? Stranger things have happened.’
Sarrah Le Marquand / Daily Terror
Join the dots. lt`s quite clear.
LOL!
Does a conscience vote mean the bill will pass? 🙄
‘ ‘ ‘ ‘Does a conscience vote mean’ ‘ ‘ ‘ a conscience will be involved or used.?
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l seriously doubt it.
Consciences are removed by politicians and left at home in a box under their bed before they trot-off to parliament. Along with their backbones.
Off topic…
Nigella’s coming on the telly in a minute..
Actually, maybe I should say; “she’s appearing on the telly in a minute…” Knowing you lot.. 🙄
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What I like about Trash, this small chat room, a log on the banks of the Yarra, its evenly divided between left and right, a similar balance can also be seen in the number of comics and straight men … and women.
Truly unique.
The Cup was a HUGE!!!! day, a true showcase of the best of Australian culture…
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/the-melbourne-cup-hangover-these-punters-feel-worse-than-you-today/story-e6frfmq9-1226753948109
Indeed ToM! Such style, such class… such sophistication!! 🙂
Such style, such class… such sophistication!!
Yes I saw Gai having a gay toime … 🙄
Reminds me of the Birdsville races but with long pants and short skirts … instead of shorts, jeans and thongs and expensive plonk in place of cans of grog and flagons of sherry …
Although I guess a magnum rates as a flagon … and there’s no substitute for rich pisspots and a jeraboam or two … hey? :p
The Melbourne Cup – a 10 Step Guide to Culture
1. Turn up to the Nursery and drink
2. Contribute $50 to the punting pool (administered by a punting expert)
3. Pop into the racecourse
4. Watch a couple of dozen horses flash past
5. Go back and drink more
6. Watch spray tanned, drunk young women wander past
7. Put another $50 into the punting pool
8. Drink
9. Repeat 6
10. Leave at 7.30 and wonder why every Tuesday isn’t like this
We do it the other way round, starting inside and visiting the Nursery after the races. Both systems are good.
:shocK: 😯 🙄
Yes, I’ve tried that system and enjoyed it.
I’m of the opinion that as long as points 2, 4, 6 and 8 are covered, the system will succeed.
I’ve found that if one is pressed for time, the process can be streamlined (for efficiency) to just steps 8 and 9.
(Not that I’m knocking the extended version of the process by any stretch of the imagination)
WTF! MWCPPPC! 😯
Lol ToM
Are all people surnamed Newman Fuckwits© or what? Is this turkey Maurice Newman, Noddy’s old man?
http://www.news.com.au/national/cut-in-minimum-wage-would-boost-job-but-hit-the-poor/story-fncynjr2-1226758524660
How come the bastards always want to cut fkn wages … but wouldn’t even consider lowering prices/reducing profits!
Business Advisory Council my arse Workchoices Introductory Council more like …
The Robber Barons at work ….
Let’s profiteer by sinking the steelcap into “the pampered western workers & their luxurious lifestyles”!
* gratuitous Chomsky quote
** fuck y’all haterz