It’s Official: Australians Hate Asylum Seekers
They come here to take our jobs and our gym memberships.
Have we finally had enough? Has the demonisation of asylum seekers by both major parties finally cracked our resolve? According to the results of a new poll, it appears that Australians now hate asylum seekers more than ever before…
The plight of asylum seekers fleeing persecution and torture is garnering little support with a new poll suggesting that most Australians don’t believe asylum seekers who arrive by boat are genuine refugees.
And, despite condemnation from human rights groups, the UNHCR and Amnesty International over its handling of asylum seekers, most Australians want the Abbott government to treat boat arrivals more harshly.
The nationwide opinion poll by UMR Research confirmed that that 59 per cent of people think that the majority of asylum seekers, heck, let’s call them “illegals,” are not genuine refugees.
The poll, based on a nationally representative sample of 1000 online interviews, indicated that a mere 30 per cent of Australians believe that most asylum seekers are genuine refugees and a further 12 per cent are “unsure.”
A strong majority of Australians, some 60 per cent, also want the Abbott government to “increase the severity of the treatment of asylum seekers.”
People advocating harsher policies against “these illegals” were mostly older Australians aged over 70 years (68 per cent), and self-employed people (71 per cent).
Unsurprisingly, people from Queensland and Western Australia are more supportive of a more severe approach (65 per cent and 64 per cent respectively) than in the comparatively more civilised States of Victoria and NSW (both 62 per cent).
Only 30 per cent of Australians think asylum seekers should not be treated more severely, while 9 per cent are unsure.
A majority of Australians – 59 per cent – oppose refugees receiving government welfare assistance.
Only 27 per cent believe that refugees should receive government support.
The latest polling results come as Fairfax Media reports that the Abbott government is buying up to 16 hard-hulled lifeboats – similar to those carried by cruise ships and oil tankers – to which asylum seekers will be transferred and returned to Indonesia if their vessels are unseaworthy.
The poll shows the government’s current treatment of asylum seekers is approved of by 48 per cent of Australians and 39 per cent disapprove.
The poll does not show, however, how many of those who disapprove, also believe the government’s policies are too lenient or too harsh.
According to the Australian Parliamentary Library’s research service, between 70 per cent and 97 per cent of asylum seekers arriving by boat at different times have been found to be genuine refugees.
The UMR polling, conducted in the second week of December, shows that public sentiment about asylum seekers is at odds with official assessments.
Residents in NSW (61 per cent) and Queensland (66 per cent) are more likely to reject the description of most boat arrivals as refugees than Victorians (54 per cent).
There is also a significant division in attitudes in metropolitan and regional Australia with people outside major cities less likely to see asylum seekers as refugees (25 per cent against 33 per cent of people in cities.)
People aged under 30 years (35 per cent) or who are university educated (39 per cent) are more likely to think people travelling to Australia by boat are genuine refugees.
People who are self-employed (70 per cent), aged between 50-69 years (65 per cent), or over 70 years (67 per cent), or who have a TAFE or trade qualification (66 per cent) are more likely to think asylum seekers are not genuine refugees.
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Reb
the mistaken premise of your post is your assumption that those who are seeking to come here in boats are really “asylum seekers” rather than being illegal immigrants. If they were truly the former ten more Aussies would accept them but as they are more the later we are happy to keep them out.
Out come the Racists with Inane leading the charge…cant wait till his idol take his DSP off him 🙄
Hall they are not illegal immigrants and you promoting that myth does not help. The percentage found not to be genuine is very small. Compared to other countries the influx of these boats just does not matter. The fact is, the party you support uses the media to criminalise these people, and yes, it is obviously working. Yes the Labor party has not done any better, and in fact lost some of its base by treating these people like scum. The irony is, the party I support lost government because of in part, its asylum seeker policy.
At the end of the day we caused this problem, at the end of the day it wont go away until we stay out of their countries and leave them to get on with their own problems. One thing is for sure, it will take statesman to fix this, your party has none. And it doesn’t appear to be getting any, anytime soon.
Who says they are not asylum seekers inane, you.
Your just a racist redneck from QLD who believes everything this govt says.
Guys don’t feed the fucking trolls…haven’t you learned yet. They are impervious to truth and will bore you to death with recitations of hatred. They only respond to handouts from the government.
I tend to simply ignore Inane these days..
At least Walnut argues his right wing opinions from a fairly well-educated and informed position despite the sometimes rough delivery.
Inane on the other hand is just an attention-seeking ignorant fuckwit.
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and a racist redneck from QLD who is an immigrant.
When the Sri Lankans began arriving in large numbers it was correctly deemed that the majority were economic refugees, but the large increase in Sudanese and Somalis appear to be genuine refugees who are choosing where they want to settle.
Some are going to Canada, while others have set their sights on Oz.
Phil: ‘It will take statesman to fix this.’ Not much chance of that under Abbott. As far as he’s concerned, a statesman is the car in which he drives to work. 🙂
Although the Sudanese and Somalis may not be in any immediate danger, like the Syrians, its similar to how the Jews reacted in Germany after Kristallnacht.
Somalia’s fledgling democracy is in strife and the Sudanese plight is well understood, so if I was a middle class person in either of those countries I would take the opportunity and flee to a safe haven.
Shutting down reporting in Nauru. Is the Aust Govt going too far? An $8,000 Gag Visa http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/an-8000-gag-visa/804/ …
“……at the end of the day it wont go away until we stay out of their countries and leave them to get on with their own problems. One thing is for sure, ”
Hey Phool,
I can accept that for Iraq and Afghanistan but since when have we occupied Sudan, Somali, Palestine, Iran. Sri Lanka. Lebanon.
Oh I don’t expect you to answer that without you screaming “Redneck Racist” first and then changing the subject
As Latham stated you people want to create a death trap for people by luring them accross the seas with onshore processing.
What callous disregard for people you have.
Quick Quiz
Who said this ?
“There’ve been some boats where 100% of them have been people who are fleeing countries where they’re the majority ethnic and religious group, and their motivations is altogether economic,”
Yes Walnuts, it was Bob Carr, so what???
Abbott has said things along the same lines.
Just about every liberal has said things like that.
Bob Carr.
Did you overlook the point I made about BOTH parties demonising the plight of asylum seekers…?
I guess you did, for the benefit of prosecuting whatever point it is you’re attempting to make… 🙄
Hint: This isn’t the cafe you know…
If you are going to flee a country its no good doing it after the war is over, like Afghanistan and Sri Lanka, whereas the Somalis and Sudanese trouble is just ramping up.
“If you are going to flee a country its no good doing it after the war is over”
I see. Very interesting. Based on your experience egg, when is the best time to flee….?
I wonder how some of my countrywomen and men think we could treat asylum seekers more harshly than at present. What diabolical thoughts are in their heads?
What more can we do to those innocent little children on Nauru who are camped in a quarry in the broiling sun with nothing to do?
Were the people who ticked the harsher treatment box thinking of leg irons perchance?
WTF
This is NOT the Café ?
With so many Leftwing nutjobs around here no wonder I forgot my place.
But anyway I was not referring to your very learned and unbiased post.
I was referring to dumb all encompassing statements like this……………..
“….they are not illegal immigrants and you promoting that myth does not help. The percentage found not to be genuine is very small.”
As opposed to Rightwing all encompassing statements which are time and again factually correct
LOL
Quick Quiz Number 2
Who said this ?
“If Australia were to say you can sign up with a people-smuggler, put your money down, you can come into Australian territorial waters and you’ll be processed in Australia, we would very soon have all our migrant intake occupied by the people brought here by people-smugglers – 180,000 people a year,”
So which side of politics is better at scaring the shit out of people ?
‘….when is the best time to flee….?’
As soon as the UNHCR sees a humanitarian disaster looming.
Hey Walnuts, we playing jeopardy now, if that is the case, I’ll take asylum seekers for a 1000,
“Which Government minister is not telling the Australian Public information on Boat arrivals because of operational matters???”
” Hey Phool,
I can accept that for Iraq and Afghanistan but since when have we occupied Sudan, Somali, Palestine, Iran. Sri Lanka. Lebanon”
Hey tool, you don’t have to occupy a country to influence the politics. It’s called economics shit for brains and the west have been exploiting third world and other countries since the mists of time.
Now get back to that stick book, where you get your outstanding understanding of the world.
“Phil: ‘It will take statesman to fix this.’ Not much chance of that under Abbott. As far as he’s concerned, a statesman is the car in which he drives to work.”
Well that will be his last one won’t it? Unless he buys one second hand or, the rumour is right and they’re going to make them in China.
Another Liberal party fuck up. No more Holden.
What’s next?
“As opposed to Rightwing all encompassing statements which are time and again factually correct”
Jesus, not only a know all, delusional as well.
The poll, based on a nationally representative sample of 1000 online interviews
WoW! What a cohort … I would have been laughed out of my stats course with that!
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Based on your experience egg, when is the best time to flee….?
Beat me to it, sreb …
Here ya go, Wally … again …
http://www.kochie.com.au/20100707165/avoid-the-political-spin-some-facts-on-asylum-seekers
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BTW, Paul, you might have noticed I post here too … please don’t offend me with the QLD shite!
I don’t consider myself to be “associated” in any way with Inane … OK?
Sorry TB, it’s only QLD landers with big red beards, come from england and have shitty web sites from QLD that are rednecks, your not any of them are u.
… come from england …
You are fkn new aren’t you, Sunshine …
Sorry my eyes glazed over when he quotes Carr and Latham and keeps using the term leftoid nutjobs. We traded in the car and got a Morris… Well educated? I will treat that comment with the contempt he deserves..Apparently there are no boats now, according to Mien Morrison and the directorate of propaganda. Alan broadcasted it from a public toilet and Bolt said it so it must be gospel just like the economy, education, Tim wilson, the NBN, Scientists, the CSIRO, Aboriginal Legal aid, however they managed 23 mill for a witch hunt.
You served in the aust armed forces didn’t you???
So …
just enquiring, I remember u talking about it that,s all
Phil: ‘What’s next?’ Probably your job, mines already gone, but more frightening our kids jobs and their chance at any form of higher education.
To paraphrase Shakespeare, ‘Who will rid us of these unflushable turds?’
TB: Well said on all fronts 🙂
I’ve never met Alan Jones, much less allowed him the use of my person for the purpose of broadcasting.
” ‘Who will rid us of these unflushable turds?’”
Good question who knows ????????????????? But I do know this, Abbott and his coterie of ‘Babbling Baboons’ will go down as the most right wing reactionary bunch of Neanderthals to grace the halls of parliament house. What the people were thinking, notwithstanding the problems Labor had when they voted this mob in, beggars belief.
I am in my dotage, I have no stake in the future but, like you I worry for my kids and grandkids. Btw unlike some, I have run my own business and employed people I have walked both sides of the street. People have short memories when Abbott gets into the social welfare and other services, and he will, the numb nuts that voted for these bums will be screaming blue murder. I have lived under Menzies, this is where they want to return us. People have short memories.
Very Short Memories Phil..well said. Neocon Social engineering payback time..Lie ya way in and go a free for all. This audit will be fucking scary.
Dance Monkeys Dance ………LOL
Just back From our favourite Vietnamese Restaurant
I took a comprehensive poll of the 3 waitresses and the owner all Vietnamese ( 2 of them born in Vietnam)
They hate boat people !
Guess what Bolshies
I just won the argument
TJ
Loved the Dancing Monkey term ta
“.Apparently there are no boats now, according to Mien Morrison and the directorate of propaganda.”
When did he say that ?
Back some of your crap up with quotes or just shut the fuck up moron.
“What the people were thinking, notwithstanding the problems Labor had when they voted this mob in, beggars belief.”
Hilarious…..
Still in denial
“…you don’t have to occupy a country to influence the politics. It’s called economics shit for brains and the west have been exploiting third world and other countries since the mists of time.”
You are such a fucking idiot
It’s very clear from the above that you mean “occupation” not economically influence you fucking lying scum bag
But backflips and distortion and the general inability to express yourself are your specialty in your dotage
“……at the end of the day it wont go away until we stay out of their countries and leave them to get on with their own problems. One thing is for sure, ”
“We” means government = Armed Forces you total Phool
“We” does not mean BHP or Woodside etc.
” It’s very clear from the above that you mean “occupation” not economically influence you fucking lying scum bag”
I meant both shit for brains, and you know it. Who do you think is selling them arms to kill each other you fucking useless tool? It is the Yanks and the Poms who will sell the fucking things to anyone. If you were better read you would know that half wit. The west has been interfering in the politics of the M.E. and yep in history of the good land of Putin since before 1800. yep, that’s a year tool, not a clock time..
Don’t confuse a Library with a gym tool, I know you like to go and work on your pecks and biceps try massaging that small amount of grey matter between your ears.
You are about aware of the history of politics as my pet galah, only difference is, he can actually string a cogent sentence together.
Now back to your gym books and pulling books, I was wrong about you, I think you reading something like Time or indeed an encyclopaedia or any reference material would be taxing your capacity to think. After all there only so much you can teach a Chimpanzee.
“Very Short Memories Phil..well said. Neocon Social engineering payback time..Lie ya way in and go a free for all. This audit will be fucking scary.”
Indeed. Dig this, that mental retard (with apologies to genuine sick people) Inane Hall said, Abbott wont attack social welfare. Beam me up.
Dance…….dance…….dance…..,
What a moron you are
Now it not “we” it’s the Yanks and Poms
Fuck you really are an idiot aren’t ya.
Dance …..dance …..dance monkey dance.
LOL
You dickhead
Unless we are willing to take all 40 million refugees we have to have a quota system. And if we have a quota system we should chose who we take. We did this under Howard. We took all our refugees from UNHCR camps.
Under Labor and the people who voted for Rudd we now take military people, crooks, thieves and anyone who can find $$$10,000 to pay a people smuggler.
You don’t make people dance shit for brains you’re serious. You’re a RWDB who doesn’t know the difference between shit and clay. I ‘ve got your number wank stain. You’ve never been out of Australia and are still wearing the shorts you wore to high school. Sorry I meant, In fact your next trip outside of Australia will be your second one having given up hope on the first .But rave on deliriously it’s a good game, one I’m winning dopey.
I find all of the hostility quite stimulating.
Maybe I should delve back into the intriguing cesspit (I say that as a term of endearment)?
Phil, I sympathise with your position & share many of your views…but, you are off target with some of your cookie cutter comments about IATW. He is currently doing a great impression of one, but he isn’t a RWDB at heart; he is a bit more nuanced than that. You can’t know that, because you haven’t followed his unprodigious ‘work’ for the last half a decade+ (not to mention the multiple blog flashpoints his aggressive tone have forced reb into).
Believe it or not (but it is true [at least he claimed it at the time, and I have no reason to doubt him]) but he voted to rid the country of Howard & could have been mistaken as leftwing at the time.
Thinking people, honest ones at least, are perfectly capable of being in a state of intellectual flux. It can be difficult to sort the spin from the substance, no matter which side of the mast you nail your colours to (these days, I rescind my allegiance to all).
So, what I mean is, even though I loathe Abbott to the very marrow…& there is a long digital history of me doing so…I am very wary of the prewritten partisan angles of attack which had been drawn up to assail the incoming government (especially once the floundering ALP’s demise was writ large & inevitable…& that was, sadly, long before the election was convened).
I suspect that AbbottCorp. is precisely the conservative retroactive monolith which I preimagined it to be; but it’s too soon to be making many of the attacks which are being made as a matter of allegiance.
You are certainly wrong about walrus never having left the country. If you meant it as hyperbole, it’s still wide of the mark- to some extent.
One thing about some of the commenters here…longer term ones anyway. I’ve seen a few have what they’re actually saying (because it’s not on partisan message) be confused as ideologically black & white. I don’t like it when that happens.
Freethinking humans can do nuance.
I think a freeflow of conflicting opinions is awesome.
Yep, I like the biff too.
Walrus is well travelled and bright, and I support his argument that genuine refugees and immigrants ‘hate boat people !’ I did a straw poll amongst Sri Lankans to gain confirmation.
O/T
‘LABOR is poised to emphatically end its last significant experiment of power sharing with the Greens as the party seeks to rebuild its standing among its disaffected traditional blue-collar base. The Australian understands the Tasmanian ALP is preparing to sever its four-year power-sharing alliance with the Greens and publicly vow not to repeat the arrangement, even in the event of another hung parliament.’
Matt Denholm / Oz
Gee Wallpaint went to a vietnamese restaurant and did a poll, what a humanitarian..fuck me such ignorance is not only condescending to the proprietors but so fucking stupid it defies logic, but hey thats nothing new from you. Genuine refugee’s? interesting. Did you happen to ask if any of their relatives arrived here by boat after the carnage the war on communism in Vietnam created? Genuine refugees, like the dozen or so that I know personally count as “friends” have told me horror stories breaking bread around the tables in their houses that they have worked and paid for. When Lan (my next door neighbor) fled Vietnam when his uncle put him on a boat after they killed his father and mother; both academic’s they didn’t think too much about the transportation method…. So by all me do your fucking straw poll whilst you are ordering your Pho..like I said you are full of shit. You white middle class people are so fucking gullible, ask these people and they will tell you exactly what you want to hear whilst privately shaking their head at your clueless stupidity. 🙄
Interesting Dynamic when a country built on immigration passes on the inherent generational racism they endured and redirects it to the next wave. But then again when lowlife political cowards get elected on such issues with media moguls making millions from perpetrating hate and social division its hardly surprising. Wonder how much soap powder the suffering has sold. yours truly Proud WOG lover.
I just luv watching these Dancing Monkeys……………………………….
“You’ve never been out of Australia and are still wearing the shorts you wore to high school. Sorry I meant, In fact your next trip outside of Australia will be your second one having given up hope on the first. But rave on deliriously it’s a good game, ”
If anybody is ranting on deliriously it ain’t moi. Because even the Wiki translator converts that paragraph to a graphic of Dancing Monkeys.
You’ve lost the plot Phool.
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“Believe it or not (but it is true [at least he claimed it at the time, and I have no reason to doubt him]) but he voted to rid the country of Howard & could have been mistaken as leftwing at the time.”
True that.
At the risk of boring many the very first time (in my life) that I voted LNP Federally was in 2001 but on the basis of Beazley’s truly stupid assertion that anyone earning over $50,000 was wealthy and Sydney people were doing ridiculously well (or something as equally stupid as that). I actually didn’t give a toss about the Tampa being the wealth crazed prick that I am.
Then I voted for………………..Yes…………………Latham (thank deity he didn’t get in in hindsight).
Then I voted for Rudd but I was sooooooooooo f**king pissed off with his changes to Super (which were a rolled gold promise not to change anything) then there was the ridiculous overspend on the GFC (even the LNP supported the first tranche of spending).
I mean FMD they were still replacing stale $900 cheques for dead people and backpackers as late as last year.
So in 2010 I voted LNP again.
And we have not even started on Carbon Taxes or the flawed Mining Tax (which cost more to administer than what it collected).
Then we have the endless promises of surplus.
And yet fools like Phool are still in denial at them being booted out of office.
Unbelievable !
Ta ee … 😉
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Toilette: I think a freeflow of conflicting opinions is awesome.
Me too, Ser T, but the personal insults usually detract from any constructive debate … its rather Back to the Future stuff really … doesn’t really encourage me to engage …
Wally, is actually better than he is portraying here … still, all we are seeing is group dynamics at work (new people or task changes and the GD kicks in) …
… and the risk of groupthink (we are just as vulnerable as other places) is always there so its noice to see some new influence …
Yep, I like the biff too. Well these days, I don’t, but as I indicated above its a necessary evil in the human psyche …
And I see the local Young Liberal vulture, Kneel, has arrived regurgitating the same old same old … there is this strange belief that asylum seekers have to be poor?
“You are certainly wrong about walrus never having left the country. If you meant it as hyperbole, it’s still wide of the mark- to some extent.”
Yep TJ
I’m halfway through my 4th passport the others having been filled with customs stamps or just expired.
But for the record..some on multiple occassions…….Northern Ireland, Irish Republic(twice), UK , France, Belgium,Spain, Morocco, Egypt,Holland, Germany, Austria,Switzerland, Czech Republic, Italy,
Then Sri Lanka, Vietnam, Cambodia (most mosquitoes per centimetre I have ever seen-jungle only), Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia (just Bali), Vanuatu, New Caledonia.
I think that’s all of them…………..oh Tasmania
Strangely enough I’ve never made it to the “Great Satanic State” the USA
I get my Teabags from Sri Lanka
“Wally, is actually better than he is portraying here …”
Agreed.
“I find all of the hostility quite stimulating.”
You don’t say.
All those words to take a side and tell me I don’t do nuance?
You’re having a laugh right? Listen up, is all Walrus has done has call people names, he has not put up a scintilla of evidence to prove his point one way or another. I could care less how long he has been on this blog, so give him an award for longevity or something.
I am not off the mark with so called ‘ cookie comments’ I stand by what I said. It’s an opinion based on what information I receive in my own bonce not from dissimilar resources we all get them from, crunch the numbers and voila like your opinion, it flows out. That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee.
Unless you are an automaton all opinions are based on your own bias and ideology, most right wingers are inherently racist, I’ve been on this planet for nearly seventy years if I meet one that is an understanding lover of other peoples cultures it will be a first, it is in their DNA.
As for the Abbott government and it being too soon to have been making attacks on it, you must be joking? Again this coterie of ‘Babbling Baboons’ lied and schemed their way onto the government benches, aided and abetted, by the most corrupt and biased media this country has ever suffered. That by the way is not an opinion, it’s passed that point, it is now a fact. This government is being run like a star chamber. 1. Because the media is compliant to their agenda. 2. The current opposition is not worth a fanny full of cold snow with Bill Shorten as its leader. They are incompetent fools the lot of them.
Ricky Pans last burst on the issue sums how I feel nicely.
Walrus and me are on a similar course, the first time I voted for the LNP Feds was at the last election. So my advice to the ill informed newcomers, this is a leftoid blog with dissidents attached.
In other nooze… Drug Law Reform Lucrative Business
‘Owners of the 37 new dispensaries around the state reported first week retail sales to The Huffington Post that, when added together, were roughly $5 million.
‘That’s a lot of green for Colorado’s legal weed.’
Huffpo
Walrus.. says I’m on my fourth passport yea sure you are. You wasted your money then, you don’t need one for Fraser Island.
Phool,
I can make more sense out of the plot of the film “Sharknado” than the crap you post
“most right wingers are inherently racist, I’ve been on this planet for nearly seventy years if I meet one that is an understanding lover of other peoples cultures it will be a first, it is in their DNA.”
Agreed!
The personal stuff certainly leads to large numbers of comments, but it does tend to become repetitive and tiresome.
Agreed IPA…!
Perhaps we could all agree to be a little more civil…….?
Perhaps we could all agree to be a little more civil…….?
Go f**k yourself with that kind of ridiculous suggestion.
“most right wingers are inherently racist, ”
Deluded……….completely deluded.
I can only conclude that Phool thumps his keyboard whilst squinting at his screen through a thick cloud of smoke from his crack cocaine pipe.
Oh……………….by the way
Who exactly introduced the white Australia Policy and who supported it?
Quick Quiz……………..who said this ?
“This country shall remain forever the home of the descendants of those people who came here in peace in order to establish in the South Seas an outpost of the British race.”
“You wasted your money then, you don’t need one for Fraser Island.”
WTF does that even mean……………………………………………?
Pass the crack pipe…………….
Lynot
Its no Myth that they are economic migrants who learnt the right story to tell so that they could con their way into the country.
Oh spare us your regurgitated Marxism!
We are just not responsible for their medieval societies and the obnoxious religious ideology that underpins them. that is the legacy of Islam. (strange how so many lefties like yourself are so accommodating to a faith that is so anti Gay. anti women, anti secular as Islam)
As for your claim that it will need “a statesman” to solve the problem, well the evidence is clearly running against you because what is very obviously working is the firm but fair actions under Scott Morrison. Boats are being successfully turned around if the mendicants still want to try. If they manage land in our territory they have no chance of ever getting permanent residency and they can look forward to spending time ion one of the government holiday camps at Manus or Nauru.
Ricky Boy
You seem to have fallen for the sob stories hook line and sinker as I would expect from your voluminous confirmation bias. Has it never occurred to you that those who have succeeded in gaming the system are not going to be frank or honest about how they massaged their personal stories to get residency? Of course not, you are pig headed enough to insist that the way that you imagine things to be is the absolute truth, even when you have little or no evidence to back up your imaginings.
From the Age:
the Coalition’s argument that providing information about boat arrivals and asylum seeker operations would help people smugglers.
Does that mean that Tony Abbott is claiming to have, in the past, been actively and directly helping people smugglers?
LOL ToM
What………..no takers in the Quiz
Answer : That Right Wing Nut Job…………………..John Curtin
LOL
Phil – most right wingers are inherently racist, I’ve been on this planet for nearly seventy years if I meet one that is an understanding lover of other peoples cultures it will be a first, it is in their DNA.
Phil, I’m going to take issue with that point.
On several blogs, I’ve been called “right wing” and a “troll”, though I don’t think those terms are accurate. I’ve been involved in indigenous cultural and artistic organisations, and respect the cultures of the few dozen countries I’ve visited and several that I’ve worked in.
Characterising a political orientation in that way is a little ignorant, as is the broad application of a term like “right wing”, or “left wing” for that matter.
I don’t think all conservative types are rednecks, that’s mainly a Queensland characteristic.
“there is this strange belief that asylum seekers have to be poor?”
Well TB under the system started by Rudd you have to be relatively well off to get asylum in Australia.
The nicest thing i can say about Labor is that they most probably mean well but do not take into account human nature. Rudds asylum seeker policies assumes all humans are honest.
This was translated into thieves, military types, economic refugees milking the system. You just have to throw away your passport , find $10,000, make a risky journey and you are in.
Meanwhile the refugees in UNHCR camps can get stuffed according to the ALP.
I knew the answer Walrus but I was hoping for some honesty from the minions of the left which was, of course, entirely lacking.
I knew the answer Walrus
And did you agree with Walrus’s answer?
Saying you know the answer after he gives it, is a dead give away that you didn’t know it, moron.
Here’s a quiz for the nutjobs…
Who said this….
“Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia..”
Saying you know the answer after he gives it, is a dead give away that you didn’t know it,
I had no idea until I googled it. Interestingly, I got your answer paul (the one Walrus seemed to have missed when asking why no one was answering), not the one Walrus said?
Here’s a hint…
http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2013-10-01/joint-press-conference-minister-julie-bishop-jakarta
I have a quiz too. Who said this
PROCESSING asylum-seekers in “idyllic” areas was like rolling out the “red carpet” to people-smugglers
Sounds like an advert to try and attract Asylum Seekers to me.
Doh!!!! have to think on that one Reb??
Perhaps he means he’s ‘tugging and pulling’
Julie Bishop still looks hot !
Paul
It is no secret that the White Australia Policy was an invention of the Labor party I have cited that bon Mott many times in the past
“bon mot”
Standards of spelling apply here.
This is bon Mott inane,
http://www.channelsfestival.net.au/bon-mott-aus/
You have just proven how stupid you look inane.
Sounds like someone Ricky would hang out with
Way to miss the point of most of what I said, phil. *shrug
“Way to miss the point of most of what I said, phil.”
I don’t think he does “points” TJ
Try bracketed numbers next time and make the sentences shorter (no more than 12 words) and restrict yourself to words with no more than one vowel.
Oh…………..and paragraphs should contain no more than 3 sentences.
I think he’s nodded off and face slammed his keyboard now.
It even looks a bit hazy up here in Palmie.
Dear Inane, get fucked..you only vote LNP because you are a ugly clueless racist fucktard…now we have that out of the way.
Wallorniment there is no doubt we agree on a great many things in respect to this issue.
1: Too many needless deaths. An absolute travesty
2: Not all people who take that journey are political refugees they may be economic.
3: We should increase not decrease our foreign aid to counteract part of this global problem not decreasing it due to ideology.
4: We should take as many people from UN camps as we possibly can.
What infuriates me is this bullshit assertion that this problem can be fixed whist politicising it. The LNP have not fixed the problem and for them to make such claims is ridiculous and insulting to our intelligence (well the lack thereof in the case of LNP voters who actually believe that shit) as is your assertion that those of us in the ALP actually agree with all the policy decisions of caucus.
“Wallorniment there is no doubt we agree on a great many things in respect to this issue.”
Not just this issue
1) Abbott’s maternity leave scheme is ridiculously generous as I believe that governments should supply a “safety net” and not supply a fucking income replacement scheme.And that’s assuming I actually believe in maternity leave in the first place
2) Family Tax Benefit B which applies to those already on $150K should be abolished pretty much immediately and if that’s not possible then phase it out over 5 years or so.
3) Family Tax Benefit A should be frozen over certain income levels and only indexed for those on lower incomes.
4) Superannuation dividend franking credits should not be allowed to be offset against superannuation contributions tax on members opening balances above $500,000. Sorry to all other WCP out there.
5) Superannuation dividend franking credits should not be allowed to result in a net refund either. Sorry WCPs
6) FBT/Novated leases should be struck out on vehicles retailing at below the luxury car threshold which is $60,316
I could go on but I fear people wont want me to ever stop……………..LOL
Ooooooooooopsie !
“…….should be struck out on vehicles retailing at ABOVE the luxury car threshold which is $60,316”
“Superannuation dividend franking credits should not be allowed to be offset against superannuation contributions tax….”
*eyes glazing over*
Absolutely; Although I’m with reb on 4 and 5. Because franky I’m just happy if i’m actually in Credit 🙂
Ricky boy
Sadly the ALP/Green agenda is responsible for most of those deaths
You say this yet denounce those of us who have repeatedly insisted that this is the case?
This is bollocks! No amount of foreign aid is going to make workable the failed societies of the third world at best its a sop to the vanities of idiotic minions of the left like you.
Not necessarily, we should certainly tale our fair share (as we do) but our society does not have an ability to absorb them all. Thus I ask how many would your suggest we take?
Well it depends on just what you think the problem is now doesn’t it? In purely domestic terms the problem is illegal arrivals in dodgy boats and if the change of government has proved anything its that the LNP were absolutely right to cite “the pull factors” of our domestic policy settings and the way that the Labor/Green agenda lured over a thousand people to their deaths. Further if anyone insults our intelligence its you with your continued assertion that those of us who want our borders secure are “racists”. Its just another reason that even many of the lefties here see you for the nut job that you so clearly are.
Who says they are illegal arrivals inane, you and this stupid govt, they are asylum seekers, and inane the LNP have not fixed the problem, they have only made it worse with there operational matters protocol, that has to be the biggest joke going around from this new and open government.
inane, if these people are illegal arrivals as you say, why have they not been charged with anything, why have they not been before a judge and put on trial for there crimes, why are they not in prison on Australian soil.
Paul
I see you still totally fail at logic.
Our government are our lawmakers and as such if they (or their predecessors) make law that says it is illegal to enter this country without a valid visa then those who attempt to do so are acting illegally. Those attempting to enter our country do not have valid visas (or passports) are therefore “illegal” entrants QED
not if they are seeking asylum
Paul
Please learn the correct use of “there” and “their” its primary school English matey!
Paul
If they are undocumented it does not matter what story they tell they are still trying to enter the country illeagally
if u say they are illegal, why are they not in gaol then.
“………..its primary school English matey!”
“……..they are still trying to enter the country illeagally”
*********Giggle***************
i know,
It is not illegal to seek asylum whether you have a visa or not.
have a read inane.
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/f/myth-long.php#illegals
You’re wasting your time trying to educate Inane, Paul..
He’s beyond help.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/09/when-questioning-tony-abbott-less-is-moore?CMP=soc_568
How many of these “illegals” have had charges brought against them?
Because if they were “illegal”, wouldn’t they be in court for whatever “illegality” they are “illegaling”?
Oh you and your pesky facts JJ…. 😉
yes, inane is beyond hope, I have posted that link before, he thinks everyone is illegal except himself
Is this a fact reb? Either way, it did make me smile
http://www.kudelka.com.au/2014/01/the-zen-of-boats/
Hands up all those who would rather watch Inane spontaneously combust rather than engage. Double giggle over “there” wallflower 🙂
“Hands up all those who would rather watch Inane spontaneously combust rather than engage. Double giggle over “there” wallflower 🙂 ”
Count me in. You know I always thought Hall a little confused a bit like the Walrus, a little bit thick like the Walrus, but on reflection, I truly believe he is as mad as a hatter. Bonkers in fact.
“On several blogs, I’ve been called “right wing” and a “troll”, though I don’t think those terms are accurate. I’ve been involved in indigenous cultural and artistic organisations, and respect the cultures of the few dozen countries I’ve visited and several that I’ve worked in.”
The key is in the word ‘most’ I did not say all. I stand by what I said most racists are Tories.
If you have made a contribution, well that’s great, congratulations.
But don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining. You are obviously an exception to the rule.
My opinion is formed by the university of life.
I have been a professional musician for over forty years, I can count the conservatives I have met in the industry on one hand. How many right wingers do you know that are Comedians? Actors? Poets? Most I said again, don’t miss it, I said most. Most literary works are by Lefties, sad but true none the less.
But go on I’m sure you can name a few right wing writers, muso’s, poets etc.
I don’t quite follow you at all Phil.
First you say that racists are confined to the right, then somehow you try to convert the discussion to the assertion that people with an artistic/musical inclination are of the left.
Really?
It’s more a matter of taste. With regard to music, some people like country & western or classical or opera or piano recitals. They’re not quite to my taste, but each is as legitimate a form of musical expression as any other. Apparently plenty of skinheads enjoy heavy metal too, or something.
Which type of music is it exactly that is the domain of “the left”?
There are plenty of people associated with government subsidised artistic programs, and it is hardly surprising that they’d prefer political parties that are profligate spenders and big taxers.
Lazy opinions get tested here Phil.
phil,
I often say that RW’s have difficulty with humour, sarcasm, irony, satire and simply laughing at themselves … ever heard Tony Abbott laugh? And I mean laugh … really laugh?
BTW, have you met, splatterbum, yet? I’ve got some popcorn in for when youdo … 😈
And I mean laugh … really laugh?
Julia was a scream! So were Kim Carr and Chris Bowen!
Wally … the biggest rort in this country is negative gearing … or did you miss that one deliberately … 😉
Point taken,
smartarseToM“… or did you miss that one deliberately …”
No but I didn’t want reb to miss lunch such was his obvious interesrt
BTW when are you off to Viet ?
I like Angry Andersen
I think Neg Gearing finally needs phasing out on all but grenfields stuff. But you ned to do it over 10 years.
Plus only allow modest lump sum withdrawals from Super to stop the splurge and then back to Govt pension mentality of the Boomers.
In fact Lump Sums should be largely limited to only after tax contributions put into Super. If you have salary sacrificed then that should be preserved for an allocated pension only sibnce you have received preferential tax treatment.
Plus the family hoe need to be part of the pension assets test.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ………………Snore
Eric Abetz has a good sense of humour.
George Brandis too! He just cracks me up.
“I think Neg Gearing finally needs phasing out ”
I agree, but only after youse have all helped me pay off my investment apartments.
The marked difference Walrus takes the piss and has some semblance of sanity, Inane is seriously delusional.
Well the deafening silence from the arts minister (choke cough laugh) speaks volumes. Music is the glue that holds society together. I get lots of conservative types at my bluegrass show but then again I never talk politics unless I am asked or I am doing something for a specific cause.
In regard to subsidies, if they didn’t exist the arts community would collapse like the film industry. That is most certainly true for the whole classical music community for all the orchestra’s and opera companies. This idea that people should only pursue profitable funded art is a myth. It is super expensive to tour and even if you are in a successful band it don’t mean you are gonna make it be profitable unless you hit it big like Gotye (Wally). My flatmate toured for 4 years did the whole 9 yards and was broke as the whole time
I guess the reason that many musicians are “perceived to be of the left” is because we get to see many facets of different peoples life experience first hand and generally have contempt for the lies of politicians on all sides of the divide. If we disagree with lies, rhetoric or spin the default position for conservatives is they are a “leftie”. I am very much pragmatic centre but have a clear social conscience having been well educated, worked in the corporate world, owned a business and toured I pick what is practical to my own moral values. I love my country and don’t believe one word coming out of a politicians mouth having worked for them on occasion.
That’s why I get so fucking angry about this political football
Walrus Angry Anderson (Garry) is a low rent political pygmy and racist to boot without a brain to bless himself. A poisonous dwarf.
He’s Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
He’s Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
He did a whale song once
Now he’s Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue
Now he’s Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue
Ricky, there are a range of government programs that fund artists popping over to Paris or Venice or London or New York. I’m afraid I really don’t see the point.
I see this (example) as a form of cultural cringe- that artists haven’t made it unless they’ve had a exhibition in Paris.
Meanwhile, cultural/artistic programs that would actually promote indigenous respect and reconciliation are starved of funds. Propping up tossers in Paris is a disgrace when support for indigenous culture would provide a huge return.
I think that was Calling and it was terrible ….
Tom our market s tiny teenie weeinie. I can assure you that there is plenty of money for cultural indigenous grants, its more about the take up rate in the programs. When I was at COFA there were some indigenous folk in my year (exceptionally talented) One was making a film involving indigenous culture and the avenues open to him (deservedly so) were 4 times what I had. Those people working in Europe, like the grants for musicians to get to South by south west get Australians OS in the thick of it with a knock on effect, which includes indigenous artists. That is where the return is. Art is about cultural exchange and education, just like the debate on immigration.
Just for you Wall plug…fuck this is as bas as suddenly ..eek (Tom this is cultural cringe at its best)
BTW when are you off to Viet ?
Late next month.
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… at my bluegrass show … Your what show!??
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Plus only allow modest lump sum withdrawals from Super to stop the splurge and then back to Govt pension mentality of the Boomers.
I agree re splurging … but I’ll remind you that most BB paid higher taxes (and got less benefits) than the generations that followed … trouble is they don’t have much super anyway …
I started my business in 1992 so no compulsory super for me and as a small business owner in those days, I paid taxes BEFORE I earnt any money (I had to guess what it would be) and then I was slugged if I put money into my super …
Despite that, I’m a SFR with some pension (that I paid for remember) …
paul, mentioned my “military service” … as a nasho my income dropped from $280 a fortnight to $80 … big drop for me, my wife and daughter and was never repaid … nor was the loss from my business career, nor my singing career … (yep I was married)
… and for paul’s, benefit I wasn’t an Australian citizen when I was called up and I disagreed with our involvement in VN – didn’t stop some dickhead spitting on me one morning as I was going to work in uniform – standing orders then – to impress his girlfriend!)
My citizenship application four years later is another story.
“Late next month.”
OK just remember if you are going to Hanoi and Halung Bay it will be quite to very cold and probably overcast.
If you are going to Halung Bay enjoy your climb to the top of Ti Top Island its usually a compulsory stop for a couple of hours………..take your walking shoes……………ROFLMAO
In the South ie Saigon it will be hot/humid
I’ll have to reply later, but the essential point is that art or culture is capable of producing role models. For indigenous people the impact is far beyond the art.
And if you’re going to Hoi An remember to get some suits made and then watch as the arms fall off when you get back home…
“………..get some suits made and then watch as the arms fall off when you get back home…”
Safari Suits are short sleeved
That’s if you can even get them made on time in between all their power blackouts in the non tourist area sweatshops
It might be a bit cold in Hanoi but make sure you Google rooftop bars in Hanoi and Saigon.
There are quite a few good ones overlooking the main lake in Hanoi (its quite low rise with the narrowest terrace houses I have ever seen) and some great ones above the plush hotels of Saigon (great spots for lunch/dinner and jazz)
I’ve been playing Bluegrass for 30 years or so..I just replaced Jim Rush in the three Marketeers whilst he is recovering in hospital after a serious car accident. They have a few festivals coming up. Never been to Vietnam, hanging to go though may get there this year. 🙂
“I get lots of conservative types at my bluegrass show”
You play bluegrass, Bed Pann? This is wonderful news and a big plus in my book.
“Music is the glue that holds society together.”
I think there may be other factors at play there.
However, music is a glorious form of expression and communication. Music can be joy and sadness and anger and so much more besides. And it can have a greater depth of feeling than mere words. As Walt Whitman put it:
The politics of musicians and composers is not all that relevant except perhaps when leaden preachy lyrics degrade sublime rhythms and melodies. I suppose if you agree with the politics of the lyrics it may add to the experience, but disagreeing with the politics of Billy Bragg or Phil Ochs or RATM or Alistair Hulett has ever stopped me from enjoying their music.
Thanks, gentlemen ( 😯 ) … its been too hot here for safari suits … I can send some to down to Mexico if you like?
It looked like we were going be walking from Hanoi to Saigon, yesterday …
… at one stage I told them I’d avoided wandering around VN in 1970 and would not be doing it in 2014! – got a giggle and some service after that … all sorted now …
… visas underway and typhoid jab this morning, got USD, baht last week … (FYI we used Australia Post – worked well) … we’ll supplement with AUD as you both advised … mostly USD tho’ … it seems to be the “universal” currency anywhere, anyway.
Do you know any of these restaurants:
Vietnam – Hanoi:
Ly Club
Hanoi Press Club
Nineteen 11
Madame Hien
Club De L’Oriental
Cambodia – Siam Reap:
Mouhot’s Dream
The Citadel
The Square 24
Champey
Foreign Correspondents Club
“Do you know any of these restaurants..”
Nope, but that doesn’t mean anything… best to check trip advisor…
http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Restaurants-g293921-Vietnam.html
BTW, your palate ought to be well suited to Vietnam’s favourite red wine “Dalat.”
Nope, but that doesn’t mean anything… best to check trip advisor…
Yes, we have, sreb, just wondered from Wally and you … this is group tour and we get “choices” of restaurants …. 🙄 as if we would know … anyway we selected on TA’s scoreing …
BTW, your palate ought to be well suited to Vietnam’s favourite red wine “Dalat.”
Yeah, I’ve heard about the “local” wines in all four countries … you may recall Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand …
… food and alcohol are part of the package (open bar on the two Mekong cruises 7 days and 5 and the 2 day Halong Bay cruise) … it looks like “travellers” will come and go as we prooceed … that’s cool we get to meet different folks … The Minister and I are doing the full tour our friends leave six days before the end …
Ricky boy
You are the one who is delusional and unable to get over the fact that I invoked Karma in response to you fishing for sympathy when you had ticker trouble last year.
TB
the reason that minions of the left like yourself think that we conservatives have no sense of humour is that you lack the imagination to comprehend that not all humour has its origins in leftist thinking. As it happens I take great delight in a wide range of satire comedy and witticism. Most amusing though are those of the angry sanctimonious left.
Paul
I know that you have made that citation before and now as then I reject it as hopelessly partisan and biased.
Should we just ban Inane for being, well Inane….?
Inane is just the thin edge of the wedge, next you’ll be banning me for being incredibly boring.
I often say that RW’s have difficulty with humour, sarcasm, irony, satire and simply laughing at themselves … ever heard Tony Abbott laugh? And I mean laugh … really laugh?”
Indeed. Tony Abbott is pathlodgical he laughs at himself, still he ain’t on his own is he? Look at Poodle Pyne. When they’re all lined up on the front bench it reminds me of those rows of clown heads that move from side to side.
Nope you’re right I’ve never met a conservative yet who has a sense of humour. In fact I’ve never met a conservative with a sense of anything except their own importance.
Although having said that, Walrus ain’t bad.
I think Ian adds some conversation points, even if they are related to spelling.
“next you’ll be banning me for being incredibly boring.”
Being boring I can handle, but just being a nit-picking difficult argumentative fuckwit from a position of complete ignorance becomes tiresome after a while..
First you say that racists are confined to the right, then somehow you try to convert the discussion to the assertion that people with an artistic/musical inclination are of the left
.
Really?
Yep really.Again I said most and I stand by that. There are exceptions to the rule obviously. Ask Ricky Pann he’s a muso. The only genre where you would find a load of Tories/Republicans would be possibly C&W. Yes music is personal taste, I never said it wasn’t. Muso’s, all the ones I’ve met have been of the left bent, I know a lot of the high rollers in the industry and the right wingers are well known. Heavy Metal a music I like, has a tendency to draw skin heads and the like, who it could be said are possibly of the right.
I mean, it’s no coincidence the Neo Nazi groups in Europe listen to Heavy Metal. I have drawn my own conclusions, I will leave it to you for yours.
Phil, when Walrus suggested that you’re a dill, I’m now persuaded that he was quite close to the mark.
Yes, inane is an Intellectual in his own mind, an elitist in his own mind, a person who believes he knows no wrong and is never wrong and only believes what he says and no one else.
How is it partisan and biased Inane, it is from the refugee council of Australia and The UN Refugee Convention.
I wouldn’t miss Inane or Paul for that matter, but its your call. While you’re there, if you could do a satirical piece on CC I might be able to attract new blood.
“Phil, when Walrus suggested that you’re a dill, I’m now persuaded that he was quite close to the mark.”
Yea I know what you mean, I was thinking that about you. And some fucker accused me of not doing nuance. Brother!!!
I wouldn’t miss egg either, I think he is a bit of a bore as well
That’s it, I’m going back to my room.
I like egg
But can’t we give him a fast train sandpit to go along with the CO2 sandpit as well ?
LOL
LOL
We are posting in since egg
no dinner tonight then egg
🙂
Sorry TB can’t remember the diners
We did eat at one right on the lake in Hanoi. It was quite nice but stuffed if I can remember the name. A very narrow joint wedged between the roadway and the lake.
It’s pretty cheap there even by safari suited , XXXX beer swilling Qld standards
I agree with reb
Da Lat wine is extraordinary. You will truly gasp in wonderment at how they get so many cats to squat over so many bottles.
TB
2 other tips
If you run out of booze on Halong bay you can get a refill of anything you want from a woman in a row boat who rows up to EVERY cruise boat on the Lake. She’s like a grocery store on water. Cheese. Salami, wine beer spirits cigarettes .
She sells the lot. She’ll show up near the floating fishing village. Don’t let her see you take a photo she gets really pissed off
She’s been on every tv show of that area such as Rick Stein et al
And don’t get a coffee from a seller on the Mekong. Many use the actual water to make it
By the way. The Mekong is fascinating
The Mekong is brown like the Yarra in Melbourne.
But the Yarra is brown due to the tannins it carries.
The Mekong is brown for that and other reasons.
So enjoy the coffee. LOL
“Phil, when Walrus suggested that you’re a dill, I’m now persuaded that he was quite close to the mark.”
*************Giggle*************
I am not “some fucker”, Phil, & I didn’t accuse you of not doing nuance. That’s just how you misinterpreted what I stated.
On the whole, if I decide it is warranted, I’m confident that my name calling abilities are remarkably more robust than yours…so I have made a mental note of being dismissed as a ‘fucker’.
Also, your appraisal of heavy metal (a rather broad term for a multifaceted genre) as being the domain of neo Nazi’s is a ridiculous generalisation.
“Phil, when Walrus suggested that you’re a dill, I’m now persuaded that he was quite close to the mark.”
************Giggle*****************
And yes If anyone knows heavy metal it’s certainly TJ
As ToM said words to the effect …….. Phil will find these pages ……um…….rather challenging
LOL
“so I have made a mental note of being dismissed as a ‘fucker’.”
Good, now you can put another one in the memory box ‘Shit for brains’
Registered?
“Also, your appraisal of heavy metal (a rather broad term for a multifaceted genre) as being the domain of neo Nazi’s is a ridiculous generalisation.”
I did not say that shit for brains, get your facts straight.
“As ToM said words to the effect …….. Phil will find these pages ……um…….rather challenging”
Tooooo….. right. But for you with your rapier wit, your all round sound knowledge of politics, the arts, literature, and robust general knowledge of everything under the sun, a breeze right?
Yea sure, your as dumb as a bag of frigging hammers.
Keep on dancing Maria…..What a knob.
Is “Calling” an Australian heavy metal classic ?
TJ ?
Ricky ?
Phil,
Dotage can be a bastard of a thing
Did you just wake up with soiled pants ?
“the reason that minions of the left like yourself think that we conservatives have no sense of humour is that you lack the imagination to comprehend that not all humour has its origins in leftist thinking.”
Well c’mon Iain me old China enlighten us, or in my case humour me. Give me a couple of examples of humour from the rightest perspective. Nothing from Barry Humphries or P.J. O’Rourke, the only two I give a f*&^ about. I’ll be checking.
“Dotage can be a bastard of a thing”
“Did you just wake up with soiled pants ?”
Dotage, its a life’s education.
As for soiling my pants, I haven’t been to bed yet, but if I do you’ll be the first to know.
What about yourself and your dribbling problem, does the nurse take care of it for you.
“I’ll be checking”
For some reason I doubt if anyone on these pages gives a flying fuck about whether you do or not.
Yaaaaaaaawn
You’ve certainly put me to sleep.
Even a tax case on the “thin capitalisation rules ” that I was reading didn’t.
You did !
You are a Dill
Walrus you have been asleep since you were born. Well, more like a coma really.
A Dill, your scintillating wit is just too much.
Inane’s sense of humor come from Pat Condell, the know atheist and Islamic basher.
“Inane’s sense of humor come from Pat Condell, the know atheist and Islamic basher.”
Interesting so does Walrus’s me thinks.
Let the record show that phil has brought it upon himself.
toiletcantankerousnightsoil. Christ this blog is unique. I didn’t know you could put short films on here of your day job. Jesus Bog, I would never have taken you for a Grey Ghost. Gee I don’t like some of the characters you have to deal with. I thought like Walrus you worked in an Ashram somewhere and gave your life to the poor and needy.
Just shows eh?
What ‘just shows’ is that you have no fucking idea what you’re on about when it comes to your commentary about people who frequent this blog. You’ve only peeped through the keyhole for an instant & flail around with mistaken conclusions & generic diatribe. Onya, noobtnuc.
Now, your actual opinions & commentary on political/societal phenomena are reasonably synonymous with my own. A rule I try to hold to, when interacting with previously unknown individuals, is ‘We Have Far More Things In Common Than Issues Or Opinions Which Drive Us Apart’. It is a general truism for most of the people I’ve ever met.
The ball is in your court.
I hope you enjoyed your time on Earth. You won’t get a second go, it’s (statistically) approaching termination, and I’ll be here for a good while longer yet.
* apologies to TB for ageist innuendo, but, thing is, I believe TB & I already have eachother’s respect because we have some annual insight into eachother’s minds (and we are honest, even when it forces us into conflict).
“What ‘just shows’ is that you have no fucking idea what you’re on about when it comes to your commentary about people who frequent this blog.”
Go away you moron, you’re dead set certifiable.
Go back through the posts when you get your heads out of your arse, It was not I who started with the insults. If long tenure on this blog gives certain individuals a certain license to insult with out a retort then just say so. That I get the better of a certain individual in the game of trading insults, does not give you the right to judge an Apple Pie bake off much less what goes on in my head.
Save your psycho analysis for some other bastard.
Alistair Hewlett was a friend of mine Splatter, Was picking with Hunter one of the original roaring jack boys last friday. He will be remembered on the 19th in St Andrews Glasgow by way of his trust.
Jesus in shorts, Wallpamuer “calling” a heavy metal classic? No its like Inane…. inane.
I’d say the only Metal classic bands in Australia would be Dave Tice’s Buffalo and ACDC. Rose Tatoo were always more of a Blues Boogie hard rock band (in its original form) with Pete Wells and Mick Cox.
Reb Inane is just a nasty clueless redneck racist, you’d only be adding this blog to the other 50 he has been banned from for being nothing more than a totally disrespectful lowlife dropkick. Everything about that deadshit is fake, he’s a fraud.
Meanwhile we been doing a job on that prick Bernardi in the studio over the past couple of days… 🙂
http://bit.ly/KCf0Ay
http://bit.ly/1e5qiIC
ACDC. Heavy rock.
but just being a nit-picking difficult argumentative fuckwit from a position of complete ignorance
you obviously haven’t been over to see any of eggs posts in his C02 sandboxes have you?
ACDC. Heavy rock.
Then toiletunimpressedbytheposturingofthosenearingtheirend King Parrot (another Aussie metal band) would be what I called Thrash Metal
They all come under the generic “Heavy Metal” tag, although many of them disagree. ACDC, last I heard, called themselves a Rock N Roll band. Rose Tattoo, the band, were a very bluesy Heavy Metal band, but still Heavy Metal, Angry Anderson solo was just a Dick. Heavy Metal itself has many sub categories under it’s fairly broad umbrella
and Australia has had and still has many metal bands.
Phil, when Walrus suggested that you’re a dill, I’m now persuaded that he was quite close to the mark.
I was beginning to get the impression he was “teh Lefts” version of Walrus there for a while.
They both exhibit the similar excessive use of “colloquialisms” in place of argument.
Some may well be wondering just what I find to be funny or amusing, well I love clever wordplay and inventive insults that make good use of the delights of the English language, Boris Johnson, the current Mayor of London is a talented wit.
I am very much inclined to thinking that Johnson is channelling Oscar Wilde in his put downs and insults and it should surprise no one that Wilde is also right up there on my list of great wits and masters of the Queen’s English. However when it comes to contemporary humorists and purveyors of satire my tastes are very eclectic and largely apolitical. While I certainly do like social commentators like Pat Condell I also enjoy ardently left wing comedians like Alexi Sale. In many ways I’m pretty old school when it comes to comedy and satire, The Goons, the Goodies and Monty Python are utterly classic prototypes for good humour as far as I am concerned. They all managed to produce satire and and clever jokes that are largely immune to being dated the way that many contemporary stand up routines that focus on politics become dated.
”your as dumb…”
…that’s “you’re” Phil
list of great wits and masters of the Queen’s English
Is Keating in that list?
I also didn’t think punctuation would be such a sore point on this blog. Perhaps I am wrong. . I hope it’s not a regular thing. Generally, I type, post, then check, so please, go easy on me Tom.
Oh FFS ReB lob the knob He Be Nasty
https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Share/Corgi%20B%20Nasty.mp3?w=AAAlObPXOjW73j85N7XqauJL28A1ziR5_Immp10Nekhriw
Should we just ban Inane for being, well Inane….?
Nah, the one positive from Inane’s “presence” is the stalkers he brought to TDT … I’m enjoying reading the “new blood”
being spiltcommenting here …Credit where credit is due … Inane don’t have much … 🙂
I never knew I was a minion to anything – let alone the left … I call it as I see it …
Apparently Tony Abbott & The Acolytes have found the next best thing to a real shoot ’em up war and told us we are at war with people smuggglers … whooo …. what a bunch of childish, fkn, morons …
Inane is just the thin edge of the wedge, next you’ll be banning me for being incredibly boring.
We sort of did egg but you won’t stay in your CC Corner!
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Thanks for the heads up, Wally! We’d already decided to take the same precautions as we did for the Nile … 😆 !
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And yes If anyone knows heavy metal it’s certainly TJ
Is that what that shite you post is, Toillette!
* apologies to TB for ageist innuendo … (and we are honest, even when it forces us into conflict).
No probs here, Ser Tee … it’s interesting reading the angst in, phils, comments … as you say he’s obviously similarly “aligned” as we are but seems to be suffering some sort of PTSD from engaging with too many right whingers … maybe he usually comments at Bolt’s Hole …
phil, does remind me of the left doppelganger version of, sb’s right … ie knowledable but angry and overuse of abuse … my dear old Mum used to tell me that using foul language demonstrates a limited vocabulary … while not necessarilly true it does make it difficult to sift through to find the real meaning of a comment … that eventually becomes boring and then I tend to skip those comments … I skip Inane’s for different reasons – no knowledge at all – I used to skip Farnham Bear because of the length 😯 … and his cut and paste shit …
… wrong. . I hope
Two full stops, JJ? 🙄
“Go away you moron, you’re dead set certifiable.”
I won’t be going anywhere at your behest.
Two full stops, JJ?
yOU giT mE tHERE tB
I,ll try bitter nixt time!?.
” … it’s interesting reading the angst in, phils, comments … as you say he’s obviously similarly “aligned” as we are but seems to be suffering some sort of PTSD from engaging with too many right whingers …”
Unfortunately, TB, he appears to see rightwingers in every fleeting shadow. His commentary then comes across as addled & derivative.
Witness the assortment of bland insults phil has already beset me with; likely to increase,based upon the nature of our few interactions. He lashes out, with no real insight into who he is dealing with, in his dialogue with several commenters here. Maybe he thinks his belligerent use of language will subjugate those he affronts into acquiescence or silence? 😯
‘We sort of did egg but you won’t stay in your CC Corner!’
Its been the silly season, the office was empty so I let my hair down occasionally.
“Maybe he thinks his belligerent use of language will subjugate those he affronts into acquiescence or silence? 😯 ”
Jesus rave on deliriously..
“I won’t be going anywhere at your behest.”
Well don’t do it for me, do it for yourself.
Settle down, phil. You are compounding your misunderstanding every time you type here.
http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-compares-stopping-asylumseeker-boats-to-war/story-fncynjr2-1226798726896
It’s pretty obvious where the greater public are taking their lead from when it comes to ‘hating asylum seekers’. The leader of the country constantly gives those elements a big green light.
“Settle down, phil. You are compounding your misunderstanding every time you type here.”
How many more posts will make me level with you?
” King Parrot (another Aussie metal band) would be what I called Thrash Metal”
King Parrot exhibit traits of thrash, punk, grind & death; which makes them (imo) a very entertaining & interesting listen.
I was lucky enough to see them last year with San Diego’s Cattle Decapitation. They are definitely one of the more noteworthy & unique heavy bands in this country at the moment. Nice bunch of blokes too.
Most here would be familiar with the tone of my comments, phil. You are establishing yourself as being a little more strident & victimised.
Now back to the issue at hand.
Iain I ask you for examples of humour from a right wing perspective, and what do you give me? More, apart from Boris Johnson who is about as funny as a bad case of haemorrhoids, and the Red Necked racist Pat Condell, more left wingers. You don’t really know or have a clue do you?
“Most here would be familiar with the tone of my comments, phil. You are establishing yourself as being a little more strident & victimised.”
Jesus give me a break.
“Alistair Hewlett was a friend of mine Splatter, Was picking with Hunter one of the original roaring jack boys last friday.”
You are very fortunate. What I would give to be able to play music well.
“Cat Among the Pigeons” is one of my favourite albums. I saw Roaring Jack at the Landsdowne about 25 years ago. The place was jam-packed and jumping, all sweating pulsating bodies driven to a shared euphoria by the band. It was a great night and fondly remembered long after many of the other shows I went to in that era have ghosted to the edges of my memory.
This Christmas I made a playlist to remind the kids of the music they grew up with. It included ‘Destitution Road’ and ‘Playing for the Traffic’. They used to run around the house like a wild tribe, dancing and singing to that and the Pogues and the Dubliners and the like. When we saw the Pogues the year before last there were 12 of us and the kids wore board shorts on their heads as reminder of the fun they had with that music when they were little (and still do).
Music has been central to our family. Sometimes I put on a song because I know what emotions it will evoke in someone.
I have been through phases focusing on different genres over the years. Right now it is baroque. Classical makes me to focus on the skills of the musicians as I listen to various recordings of the same pieces.
(In a nod to TBoss, I really learned a lot from my death metal phase. There is nothing quite like the blast you get out of, say, early Napalm Death on a Sunday morning.)
Anyway, tell the Roaring Jack guys there is an old conservative catholic fan out there who loves their music. They will probably have a laugh. I will play some of their songs when I get home tonight.
Icons of fable won’t help you.
Napalm Death are still churning out high quality grind prodigiously, splatter! 🙂
Napalm Death sound nice.
Napalm Death were on of the originators of Death Metal back in Nottingham in the mid eighties as I recall. They have a song called “The Kill” which is a 23 second surge of pure energy.
TBoss, I will track down some of their newer stuff and have a listen. My death metal phase ended in the late nineties and I haven’t really kept up since then. Maybe I need a refresher. It will make a nice contrast to the baroque stuff (right now I am listening to Andras Schiff playing Bach solo piano works.)
Lyrically, Napalm Death are actually anti-establishment & left leaning, reb, so the name is a bit of a misdirection…although it does certainly give you a fair indication of what to expect from the music. 😉
The Indonesian situation is getting worse….
SIDDIQ (translated): The Australian Government action by returning the two boats back to Indonesia is a provocative action, instead of solving problem it will trigger more conflict, it will have impact broadly and fundamentally on the bilateral relations. It will cost both countries.
SANTOW: That’s the chairman of the Foreign Affairs Commission in Indonesia, Mahfudz Siddiq.
And George Roberts, what about media reports that say that the Australian Government is considering purchasing life boats to take asylum seekers back to Indonesia, those who were heading to Australia?
ROBERTS: Well a senior government source here in Jakarta who doesn’t wish to be named but does have very good inroads, if I can say that without giving too much away, to the high echelons of government, they say that there’s not much difference between Australia providing boats for asylum seekers to get to Indonesia and criminal syndicates, if you like, referring to people smuggling networks there, providing boats for asylum seekers to get to Australia.
And they say that it’s considered unacceptable and intrusive. And that’s an opinion that’s again reflected by Mahfudz Siddiq, the chairman of the Foreign Affairs Commission, who goes a step further and says that if Australia goes ahead with it, it’s almost tantamount to people smuggling.
SIDDIQ (translated): If what happens later are the motorised rescue boats which has been prepared by the Australian Government re-enter the Indonesian water, this becomes a smuggling operation legalised by the Australian Government. This of course would not be accepted by Indonesian military because it has been a defence issue and breaching water territory sovereignty.
http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/radio/program/asia-pacific/indonesia-clarifies-position-on-boat-turn-backs/1245830
Napalm Death … 🙄 … long live america …
At least the real thing is “illegal” now … maybe Abbott will find a new use for it – seeing that we are now “at war” with people smugglers … tally ho! What a fkn tool …
Maybe the “war” is about to become Abbott’s self fulfilling prophecy!
Dog help us if he triggers the next WW …
Napalm Death, the band, were doing the opposite of advocating Napalm, TB. And they’ve been strong critics of the US for their duration too.
As I said, the name is a bit of a red herring if you’re unfamiliar with them.
One of their older songs is a cover of a Dead Kennedys track called ‘Nazi Punks Fuck Off’, for instance.
http://www.lyricsty.com/napalm-death-nazi-punks-fuck-off-lyrics.html
I HATE our political leaders exploiting martial language when it comes to issues like asylum seekers (or any other issue, for that matter).
It’s cynical as fuck & calculated purely to unapologetically neutralise calls for more information.
It doesn’t smell right when most of the public’s ability to gain information about a situation comes from foreign newspapers.
“It doesn’t smell right when most of the public’s ability to gain information about a situation comes from foreign newspapers.”
Does Rupert own the Jakarta Post ?
Splatter Ali was special, my most treasured memory of him was not at the blistering Roaring Jack Gigs at the Sando (Lass behind the beer taps and ’Uisge Beatha’ are just classics, mind the slam dancing) but sitting with him on a fence outside a party in Randwick with him playing Acoustic with me playing Mandolin exchanging stories about a fathers (my father was an official of the APTU). An elderly couple in their late 70’s stopped whilst walking their dog and I will never forget what she said to Allistair in a broad scottish brogue ” Dear man you have the voice of an angel only a Kelt could be so blessed, thank ye for taking me back” Alistaire for all his angst was a gentle soul.
I have studied and played music all my life, its a gift and a curse. When I got really sick last year I was in a pretty bad way and I did my first gig with some friends down in Milthorpe. Looking around the room at all the smiling faces reassured me of my purpose in life and just how powerful music is as a language, its my oxygen.
“I never knew I was a minion to anything – let alone the left … I call it as I see it …”
Yeah thats his standard operational bullshit, he’s clueless and causeless thats why he’s a succubus net troll who gets banned from every blog he posts. It never had an original thought in its pointless little insignificant social security dependent life
Death metal? kick yourself in the balls repeatedly with severe constipation and thats pretty much death metals greatest hits.
The Term Heavy metal (there is lots of conjecture among us musicologists) msts certainly comes from Burroughs Soft machine “heavy metal kid” popularised by Mars Bonfire in Born to be wild. All the heavy rock band were described with this new term and lumped into it, Zep Purple ect. Actually the Pub rock sound popularised by ACDC and later with the Tats has its roots in southern boogie barroom rock. Its a more Aussie stripped down flavor. Tice once told me after they were signed to Vertigo (Sabbaths label) they stopped doing prog rock and concentrated more on a harder version of Berry. This most certainly influenced the Young Aca Daca and Tats (who’s sound was forged from Pete Wells Slide {bass in Buffalo} and Rilens driving loud guitar)
Punk Rock is one of my favorite genre’s of decent..As Don Letts says Its an attitude and two over 50’s Punks can still mix it and say fuck you to Cory Bernardi
No, walrus. Of course not.
My comment was in reference to the choking of information by the current government of this country; as I’m sure you well know.
Icons of Fable
I like it.
“Death metal? kick yourself in the balls repeatedly with severe constipation and thats pretty much death metals greatest hits.”
Spoken from ignorance (of the spectrum of death metal) like a true philistine. That people like you hold such contempt for it only serves to heighten its legitimacy.
Phil
Clearly you have comprehension issues along with an ability to understand the historical context of satire comedy or humour in general, For example in my previous comment I cited Wilde who was by no stretch of the imagination left-wing. You may not rate Pat Condell but he is certainly of what you consider “the right” and he does satirical social commentary. To answer your query I don’t have to cite individuals who YOU or the other minions find funny just ones that participate in the genre from a RW perspective.
This clip is hilarious (IMHO)
And it makes a great point about left wing hypocrisy when it comes to the ideology of Islam vs Christianity.
This is likewise clever , funny and definitely not left wing
What it boils down to is that what each of us find funny is entirely subjective rather than there being any objective measure of humour as your argument suggests.
This new one from Pat is a hoot
Inane trying to be funny whilst desperately pleading for attention, telling people that they don’t fully understand the blah blah blah what a fucktard..now that in itself is fucking hilarious.
Death metal ignorance, no I get it, understand its origins and all the nuances of the Genre. Its just fucking nauseating noise to me, especially the all the groaning masquerading as singing (sounds like a sumo taking a shit after two months on opiates), dark brooding angst, satanic stupidity. all that typewriting on pointy guitars and over use of the Dorian and ionian and harmonic minor. Its rebel music for kids that pull the wings off fly’s and live with mum and dad… World’s shortest list ..happy death metal songs in major keys played with a telecaster.
😯
Had to see if this was still TDT! 😯
Larry Pickering used to be quite funny
What’s wrong with you people? Don’t you even like war?
I like to declare war on Larry Pickering, water-board him with death metal or better still lock him a dark room naked with Inane.
“I cited Wilde who was by no stretch of the imagination left-wing.”
Iain you really are an 18 caret gold plated tool. Is it any wonder people do not take you serious.
Oscar Wilde was a committed Socialist.
You don’t have to site individuals because they are as rare as rocking horse shit on your side of the fence.
Yep, Ricky, I know you love to self promote, but you still sound ignorant to me at times.
This is one of those times. You have a very caricatured, obsolete opinion of death metal; like most people.
From IPA’s link.
‘We look forward to a future where drug policies are shaped by science and compassion rather than political hysteria.’
Hear Hear
Toilet I studied most forms of music, that is what a musicologist does. That does not mean I have to like it. You can call me ignorant all you like, maybe I just fucking don’t like it..is that OK with you? Go and knock your self out. Pretty sure I understand it and could play it s its not hard to break down structurally. Whatever floats your boat. I understand Tony Abbot to but I fucking hate him too…your point is, what I’m ignorant of Death Metal?…OK fine next.:roll: Self promoting? I thought this place is an exchange of idea’s..well apart from Inane’s no idea and Eggs denial of idea’s.
Egg..if its from the IPA, they have a lobbyist that wants to sell it to you
wat?
What’s wrong with you people? Don’t you even like war?
I agree with your sentiment, ToSY … :shock:!
I get pissed off with the “hero” tag for sporting celebrities …
Oh! And most of those fkn “honorary” degrees …
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Pretty sure I understand it and could play it s its not hard to break down structurally.
I feel the same way about rap … its a cheat show … when i criticise it there’s always someone who says, “Yeah but you can’t do it” …
So get on ma feet
And listen to the beat
And spit in the face of the motherfucker opposeet!
That’s how easy it is …
And IPA’s link on ‘the relationship of insulin resistance and obesity’ is revolutionary thinking.
oh fcuking wonderful, our nation is rapidly filling with alabama arse-clowns wanting to run around in their bed-sheets,
as usual, our teabags are leading the charge
There are many facets to the ills of Qantas, and a significant one is its cost structure, and highly paid inefficient workers don’t assist to get it under control.
My suggestions-
• Close the heavy maintenance base in Mascot and get the work done in a low cost country
• Outsource catering to McDonalds or KFC or anywhere that understands efficient preparation of food
• Hand over baggage handling and transport to Linfox or someone
• Source 75% of cabin crew from overseas ports
• Pay remaining workers much, much less
Meanwhile the government can change the Qantas Sale Act and let Singapore or Emirates take a 40% holding
Contentious as all that may be, they’re the arrangements that are available to Virgin!
Phill
have you actually read Wilde’s essay “the soul of man under socialism” ( http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/hist_texts/wilde_soul.html ) Your Bleed karl would be rolling in his grave with his arse definitely detached!
If Wilde was serious its a delusional treatise,if he was on the laudanum, its a great bit of satire!
A few Flying Kangaroos loose in the Paddock ya recon Tom? The suffer from the great Fiberal delusion of privatisation of infrastructure to gain bragging rites for incompetence.like telstra. Just as they are about to do a major expansion they are privitised, neutered by “shareholder returns” and end up being worth fuck all.
“have you actually read Wilde’s essay “the soul of man under socialism””
Yes, carve it up how you like, spin it, Wilde was a socialist period, end of story.
Your attempts at revisionist history are well known. You tried to tell the world that Nazi’s were socialists didn’t you? They were rancid right wingers, that like Wilde’s politics is an historical fact. Carry on.
oh dear Phil!
I don’t believe that you have read past the title of the essay because apart from his use of the ‘socialism’ term the entire essay reads nothing at all like any sort of leftist doctrine. if anything it is a a call for some sort of Christan utopia. His essay argues more for the an entirely unrealistic ideal that any socialist wold utterly reject.
Wilde was a product of his class and his education neither of which he ever had any intention of repudiating. No part of his life demonstrated any commitment to any sort of
socialism so please explain what makes you so certain that he was a socialist.
As for the Nazis , as I explained previously, there was very little effective difference between them and the Communists, both believed in a command economy , the deification of their leaders and a desire for global domination by the gun and he bomb.
You are a class act Hall. For the last time I won’t be replying again. Wilde was a SOCIALIST.
Don’t tell me what I have read or haven’t read. You obviously have read fuck all, otherwise you would not be twisting and turning. I know all about Wilde’s past thank very muchly.
You have said previously, that the Nazi’s were socialists and more akin to communists if you deny that you Sir are a fucking liar.
The Nazi’s were right wingers and there is not an historian on the planet that says otherwise. Even in Churchill’s memoirs the Nazi’s are recorded as being ultra right wing fascists. But would he know? You like most numb nut Tories, believe the Nazi’s were socialist’s because of the misnomer in the name, National Socialist German Workers’ Party.
Again because you cannot find a reference to state otherwise you back peddle and claim they were both the same.
I am still waiting for your conclusive list of right wing comedians and well known writers. I wont be holding my breath. Yes they exist, the names would fit on a small memo page.
I know it pains you that most of thee worlds writers, artists, comedians, actors, etc. are of the left bent, sorry that’s just the way it is.
Finally, why a poor working class(oh that’s right you don’t work) is so keen to support an ideology that would see you starve, not give you a pension, and throw you to the largest of a charity, has frankly got me rooted. Have you thought about a Psychiatrist, counselling, I’m sure even at this late stage of your life they could help.
Politics of Wilde
Wilde was very much concerned with politics and society. He was concerned with the crippling poverty of London during his lifetime, when two million people bordered on starvation. He once observed:
There is only one class in the community that thinks more about money than the rich, and that is the poor. The poor can think of nothing else.
He came to the conclusion at some point that socialism was the answer to that particular problem, and he wrote an essay of sorts called “The Soul of Man Under Socialism,” where he said that society’s goal was to create a “proper condition of a thoroughly healthy organism, and insure the well-being of each member of the community” and asked “why should [the poor] be grateful with the crumbs that fall from the rich man’s table?”
Though who would administer such a social system? Wilde seems to have not thought that part through so much, as he also considered himself an anarchist, saying:
All modes of Government are failures.
And declaring himself, somewhat contradictorily, both an anarchist and a socialist in the same breath, he saw governments as institutions of individual suppression, saying:
Society exists only as a mental concept; in the real world there are only individuals.
That’s heavy.
Politics of Wilde
Wilde was very much concerned with politics and society. He was concerned with the crippling poverty of London during his lifetime, when two million people bordered on starvation. He once observed:
There is only one class in the community that thinks more about money than the rich, and that is the poor. The poor can think of nothing else.
He came to the conclusion at some point that socialism was the answer to that particular problem, and he wrote an essay of sorts called “The Soul of Man Under Socialism,” where he said that society’s goal was to create a “proper condition of a thoroughly healthy organism, and insure the well-being of each member of the community” and asked “why should [the poor] be grateful with the crumbs that fall from the rich man’s table?”
Though who would administer such a social system? Wilde seems to have not thought that part through so much, as he also considered himself an anarchist, saying:
All modes of Government are failures.
And declaring himself, somewhat contradictorily, both an anarchist and a socialist in the same breath, he saw governments as institutions of individual suppression, saying:
Society exists only as a mental concept; in the real world there are only individuals.
There you are Iain I put it up twice, I know you have trouble with anything sinking in.
I bet Inane reckons Wilde was a closet heterosexual too, and just acted gay for the fun of it.
phil
Writing one essay entitled “The soul of man under socialism” does not make Wilde a socialist, especially given the circles he moved in and the way that he embraced the upper class privilege that he came from.
talk about diarrhea of the mouth, inane can really say a lot of shit, and i thought this was about how Australians hate asylum seekers, not of Inane taking over a blog, as usual.
Scotty Boy you have some splain’in to do
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/10/indonesian-military-chief-rejects-boat-turnback-policy
Phil you should know better the more facts you feed it the more ignorant it becomes.
“Dont fucking feed it” 🙄
Oh Reb you were wrong, So wrong Inane is deep and sensative 🙄 I’m waiting for the authoritative stories of prison shower buggery when it was locked up for gross stupidity and plagiarising Ivan Milat’s wardrobe.
Iain go away for f*@* sake. You can’t even read what I said. You really are something else. You need help Iain, you really do. A first year Psychology student would have you certified.
There are very few contemporary writers as outrageously contentoius and hilarous as PJ O’Rourke. Is there a “left” oriented writer as entertaining and provocative?
Ricky Boy
Thanks for suggesting that I remind you of a young Steven McQueen
Phil
Of course I read precisely what you said and I responded to your points in turn, its your comprehension issues that lead you to exasperation at my answers.
ToM
I have heard of PJ O’Rourke but am unfamiliar with the material.
As i tried to say earlier what is funny is entirely subjective rather than being universal as Phil contends. Sadly until he can wrap his tiny mind around that notion he will be forever be struggling when it comes to wit and humour.
“Sadly until he can wrap his tiny mind around that notion he will be forever be struggling when it comes to wit and humour.”
So sayeth the mental giant. Lets face Iain no one takes your ramblings serious anymore.
Your reputation in the blogosphere is there for all and sundry to read.
I never said humour wasn’t universal, what I said was, and I stand by every letter, most I said most by a country mile, writers of comedy, literature, and anything else in the Art World is mostly produced by people of a left bent.
The examples you gave were crap, they were mostly from writers again of the left bent.
This is not an opinion, it is a justifiable fact.
You can spin it all you like it wont change it.
Try Ben Elton as first cab off the rank.
Ben Elton is entertaining, but mainly writes trite little novels, and mind you I’ve read every book he’s written.
Much better is David Sedaris, if you’re after intelligent left oriented social commentary and writing.
Have you actually read PJ O’Rourke?
” Have you actually read PJ O’Rourke”
Yes. As I said to Iain, don’t include him as he is known to me.
And yes, he is funny not as funny as Lenny Bruce but, he is still a conservative.
Is that fact going to in part form my opinion? Probably.
And at the risk of repeating myself. I never said that there were no writers, comedians or what ever from the right perspective, but they are in a minority by a country mile.
The left have the arts in what ever the genre in spades. My belief is, we on the left are the more caring sharing and more tolerant of other cultures, and dare I say it,? More progressive and this is reflected in the Arts.
I can real off dozens of writers on the left John Pilger probably my favourite with George Orwell probably being the most influential socialist of all time, to what purpose? I know as you do, what I say is true.
Phil
I quite like Ben Elton even though he does lean to the left and he is a warminista. He is an incredibly entertaining man and a very talented script writer who is willing to take the piss out of everyone.
Yes Iain Ben Elton is funny, no doubt about that. I have seen him do stand up, you heckle him at your own risk. He has a command of the English language very unusual in stand up. He also knows his history and can reel off facts and figures like a computer.
Shame for you he’s on our side 🙂
Tom – I suppose ‘left-wing’ writers belong to a serious tradition. In literary history they have concerned themselves with novels which explored inequity and have produced novels of sublime quality about the human condition.
Dickins (who was also very funny), most of the great Russians and Germans, Bronte, Edna O’Brien, Austen, Thomas Hardy and George Bernard Shaw to name but a few. Shaw of course was a committed Fabian and them rolling in the aisles in his day with his social satire.
I enjoy PJ O’Rourke too.
phil
????????????
Who is saying otherwise????
You are kidding! when it comes to haters there are few on the right that can match the haters from the left!
Pilger is dreary as dishwater and Orwell was as much a critic of socialism as he was an advocate the working man
i don’t care about his politics, its you that is so obsessed with claiming all and sundry for team leftard. Strangely enough he is just as keen as any conservative to keep his money rather than giving it away.
“You are kidding! when it comes to haters there are few on the right that can match the haters from the left! ”
Bollocks!!!
“Pilger is dreary as dishwater and Orwell was as much a critic of socialism as he was an advocate the working man”
More Bollocks!!!
“Strangely enough he is just as keen as any conservative to keep his money rather than giving it away.”
Triple A Bollocks. You wouldn’t know what he does with his money.
Finally what do you think forms the politics of a giant intellectual like Orwell, or all the other great writers on the left, are they all confused? A little silly? Like you, legends in their own mind. notwithstanding what you said about Orwell is bollocks.
Iain you really don’t have a clue. It is any wonder people do not engage with you(I’m off to band practise soon btw) You make it up as you go. You go against what is accepted dogma, against what is written down as an accepted fact, then put your own spin on it, ‘Voila’ the world according to Iain Hall.
Iain you are the most twisted conservative that has come down the pike, you must get help mate, you really aren’t well.
phil
read any thread on a popular lefty blog or twitter stream and they are dripping in hate.
Have you not read animal farm and 1984? both are critiques of socialism.
I know that he as become wealthy from his wit and having followed his career for years i have seen no ostentatious acts of charity
I have read all of Orwell’s novels and most of his non-fiction writing if anything I think that his writing is informed by the English tradition of fair play rather than Marxism. As for other writers “of the left” I really don’t care about their politics if they write a good yarn with sympathetic characters and credible plots
that must mean that you, by way of contrast just accept everything that you are told is the accepted dogma like the very model of an obedient sheep.
How are you qualified to make such a claim?
“Have you not read animal farm and 1984? both are critiques of socialism.”
You idiot they’re critics on fascism. Your type.
“I know that he as become wealthy from his wit and having followed his career for years i have seen no ostentatious acts of charity”
I wont even dignify that with a reply.
“that must mean that you, by way of contrast just accept everything that you are told is the accepted dogma like the very model of an obedient sheep.”
Horse shit. I think for myself thank very much. I have condemned my side of politics many time, unlike you, who accepts the ideology of conservatism blindly. You have never rubbished your side for anything. Enlighten me.
“Iain you are the most twisted conservative that has come down the pike, you must get help mate, you really aren’t well.”
Iain I can tell the difference between shit and clay. By any yard stick you are pathologically to the right, you are the worse case I’ve seen. You would make Tony Abbott look like a left wing social worker. I truly believe you need help mate.
phil
In animal farm the animals overthrow the farmer and start out to create a society where “all animals are equal” and little by little the Pigs usurp the revolution until they are as despotic as the farmer they overthrew. Thus instead of the socialist revolution and utopia that all of the animals dreamed of creating what they ended up with was a totalitarian dictatorship. How can that novel possibly be about fascism? Its just too close to the story of the Russian revolution.
1984 was written after Orwell visited post ww2 soviet Russia. his novel is very clearly inspired by and based upon what he found in the utopia created by Starlin and the terrors of the NKVD, Starlin’s pogroms and purges but mostly he state of fear under the Bolsheviks.
I’m right then.
Hardly, you embrace with a death like grip the orthodoxy of the left even when the evidence shows you are totally wrong. While don’t end to critique “my” side that much i do welcome arguments that do so at my blog.
Well in reality my politics are not that far to the right at all.On many issues I am very much left of center
“I’m right then.”
And that’s all that seems to matter to you.
Oh what an insecure little individual you must be.
Inane is always right, everyone else is wrong, that graph is easily manipulated idiot, it says I am right wing but job and proud of it
From Inane’s test… its loaded.
‘If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.’
Without multinationals or the free market there would be no globalisation, humanity is best served by creating a large middle class as quickly as possible through multinationals.
Hi Dianne, I’m afraid I’m not a lover of classical literature, some years ago I read lots of it out of a sense of duty, so that I could say that I’d read it.
These days I’m entirely committed to reading for entertainment, and I prefer self-effacing, witty, strident social commentary. That’s why I quite enjoy David Sedaris, PJ O’Rourke, Bill Bryson, even Christopher Hitchins, it’s also why I enjoy this blog.
I really find a bit Ben Elton insipid by comparison (so Phil should try a little harder to find humorous “left” authors)
Carl Hiassen writes lots of entertaining novels about corrupt property developers and politicians in Florida, which I’m finding quite good fun over the holidays.
sbs1 news/tv, just said “new-years“ king-hit victim has died.
(repeat of thomas kelly) kingscross
ToM
Have you got your tickets for David Sedaris….?
I forgot, now it’s sold out. So I’ll have to admit that I’m a dill.
Yes, yes you are.
Although I can highly recommend this as an alternative…
http://davidsedarisbooks.com/carnegiehall.htm
David Sedaris is highly amusing. Delightful wit. I am reading Donna Tartt’s Goldfinch which is an absolute page turner. Highly recommended.
“Yes, yes you are.
hmmm, agreement isn’t always necessary
#how.else.will.you.ever.learn
Ok bleeding hearts…Watch this and try to understand the “gum ball” analogy…Perhaps after, but doubtful, you can see the folly in your “logic”…You don’t fix the situations these people leave or make life easier for those they left by importing it…GET CLUE…
Creating controversy in Britain…..Discussing immigration without the name calling! Oh my…..
“People aged under 30 years (35 per cent) or who are university educated (39 per cent) are more likely to think people travelling to Australia by boat are genuine refugees.”
LMAO! University educated, aka fresh off the assembly line of stupidity of a regurgitated failed ideology! This is priceless Reb….Everybody knows you go to uni these days to be “indoctrinated” not “educated”…Those days are long gone….
“I really find a bit Ben Elton insipid by comparison (so Phil should try a little harder to find humorous “left” authors) ”
Ah so you find him insipid so I have to find a new author. Piss off wanker.
Phil
It sounds to me like you have forgotten to take your happy pill this morning!
That said have you no answer to my refuting your claim that “Animal Farm” and “1984” were about “facsism”? Clearly you may admire Orwell for his “socialism” but you have certainly not read that much of his writing or understood his arguments in any detail from the little that you have actually read.
Check out the link on my page to all of his writing so that you can fill in the very obvious shortcomings in your education.
“I’m right then.”
Hall you’ve never been right about anything. You would have to be the biggest know all since blogging began. You are an expert on everything from quantum physics to the rise and fall of the Roman Empire. The truth is, you know S.F.A. about anything.
The real kicker is, you live off of social welfare and this has been provided to you through the sacrifice of other workers, progressive lobbyists, and the Labor movement. And you vote for a government that just may take it off you. Your contention that all governments provide social welfare to keep a harmonious society, is utter unadulterated horse shit, Your side of politics wants the American system of social welfare, and are slowly introducing it by stealth. The idea was floated by John Howard please don’t deny it. You wont be able to build Noddy cars with food vouchers.
Yes Gillard took money from single mothers, that is the truth of the matter, and it, with other policies cost Labor government. The idiot Rudd could have said he would have reinstalled it, he didn’t, and the rest is history.
The above applies here no difference.
Phil
When I am debating with people like you who are totally lacking in generosity you can hardly expect me to have anything other than a “take no prisoners” attitude in return. But like all arguments about politics I am happy to concede that both sides can have elements of the truth within their grasp.
My personal circumstances are not as you imagine, that said your contention that “my” side of politics would happily see an end to welfare is utter tosh. They certainly do want to see social welfare better targeted (they are at one with Labor on this) because they wish to constrain the cost of it but there is no evidence at all that any Australian government will ever abolish welfare.
Do you think that even the conservatives in the LNP have not learnt the folly of such things? You really need to understand that we live in a society where both sides of the political spectrum court the centre and as such both Labor and the LNP are disinclined to do anything that radical. The ALP will be very reluctant to “do a Gillard” again to single mothers and on the LNP side they well remember the folly of “workchoices” (that I never endorsed BTW)because it cost them more votes than it won them even though elements in their support base loved it. That is the joy of our democracy, we have checks and balances against radical change because our elected quite rightfully fear the consequences should they do anything that displeases their masters, the voters.
Tosser.
Welcome to The Inane Surrogate Blog
I think I’ve changed my mind, sreb …. 🙄
LMAO! University educated, aka fresh off the assembly line of stupidity of a regurgitated failed ideology! This is priceless Reb….Everybody knows you go to uni these days to be “indoctrinated” not “educated”…Those days are long gone….
… and you graduated when, where and what in?
A little knowledge can be dangerous it seems …
“A little knowledge can be dangerous it seems …”
Indeed TB…Much like repeating failed ideas and expecting different results. I guess gumballs is a bit hard for even the college educated to follow but I thought I would try….My apologies…
… and you graduated when, where and what in?
Phil also has plenty of opinions to pass on too, for someone so ill-informed, semi-literate and (probably) incontinent.
Lift your game Phil!
Its too late to lift his game, stuck in his ways and not inclined to change when new evidence comes to hand.
😆 Tom!
“Phil also has plenty of opinions to pass on too, for someone so ill-informed, semi-literate and (probably) incontinent.
Lift your game Phil!”
So says the mental giant of the blog. Try wiping off some of that verbal diarrhoea that leaks out of your cake hole. You are mumbling. You’re not related to Iain Hall per chance?
Hall spare me your “Take no prisoners bollocks” You are the personification of fuck wit. Your reputation as an A class idiot is all over the net for all to see. But I must confess, you are still good for a good laugh.
“Its too late to lift his game, stuck in his ways and not inclined to change when new evidence comes to hand.”
That’s a laugh coming from the blogs pseudo climate scientist.
You seem quite grumpy Phil, is you incontinence pad leaking?
Phil
Were i as intellectually deficient as you (and some others here) keep claiming then you would have had no trouble demolishing my arguments. The evidence of this thread is that I have done rather against your “prodigious intellect” .
Firstly you were insisting that Oscar Wilde was “a socialist” and I showed you that he was no such thing.
Then you insisted that “Animal Farm” and “1984” were about fascism when each novel is about the attempts to create a socialist utopia on the Marxist/Leninist model.
Really matey you should read more of Orwell, his essays and are particularly recommended. He was of course as you have suggested “of the left” but none the less he was a thoroughly decent man who was more than willing to critique all aspects of society and one of the reasons that I love his work is that he never made excuses for the excesses of the left or the right. Try reading “Down and out in Paris and London” its a wonderful piece of immersive journalism about the real experience of poverty. Likewise “Politics and the English language” is quite rightly lauded for its lucidity. You see unlike you I have read much of his work, and despite being a social conservative these days I respect writers like Orwell because he had integrity and he was never a such a slave to leftist ideology that he would forgive the excesses done in the name of socialism. You on the other had see things entirely in black and white and according to you if someone is a conservative then they must be evil incarnate.
You may well claim that I am “good for a laugh” but from where I am standing it looks very much as if the laugh is on you!
(Shorter Iain: I, I, I, you-something, defective theory of other minds, borderline solipsism, I, I, I.)
‘That’s a laugh coming from the blogs pseudo climate scientist.’
Thanx for clearing that up, you are clearly part of the zombie crowd.
“You seem quite grumpy Phil, is you incontinence pad leaking?”
You’ll be the first to know if it does. What about yourself have you stopped dribbling yet?
You didn’t answer my question are you related to Iain Hall?
“Thanx for clearing that up, you are clearly part of the zombie crowd.”
Well you would know, you are delirious yourself. It takes one to know one, as they say.
.
Arguing with you is not good sport.
Hall do you have two dicks? Because no fucker and I mean no fucker, could be a stupid as you playing with one.
1. Oscar Wilde for the last time was a Socialist. You have not provided a scintilla of evidence to prove otherwise.
2. I did not give you any of my opinions on the work of Orwell. I know exactly what the books were about you fucking idiot, I said they were fascist. I know all about the Russian revolution. The fascists to use your words were more akin to communists. Both groups being anti socialist of which I am one.
3. If I have to trawl your rancid, racist ,repetitive, blog to find your statement that Nazi’s were Socialists I will.
4. You can waffle all day, you have a reputation for being a racist, misogynist, know all bastard, and I repeat you are good for a laugh.
” Arguing with you is not good sport.”
Well quit whilst I’m ahead.
Phil, this is a site that practices great civility, people here are knowledgable and respectful. Even to semi literate types that have leaky colostomy bags, such as you!
lift your game Phil.
phil
Clearly you are a master of self pleasuring
You made that claim before and the only evidence for it is his one essay that I previously cited (have you read it yet?)The evidence of his life and his other works and his aspirations clearly contradict and argument that he was in fact any sort of socialist.
Gee that is confused! You claimed that “Animal Farm” and “1984” were about fascism I explained that they were critques of revolutionary Marxism. Now you are seemingly backpedaling on your objection to my argument that the Nazis and communists are more alike than they are dissimilar!
I don’t deny making the argument, in fact you are more than welcome to find the citation
All people are equal in their humanity regardless of their gender,, sexuality or ethnicity has been my life long mantra. As for being a “know all bastard” well I have always been opinionated on many subjects, however I have the documentaion to prove that my late parents were in fact married.
who,s blog is this, rebs or the Phil and inane show, why don’t the two go over to inanes blog, you two are getting tiresome, so why don’t the both of you just f#ch off
“Phil, this is a site that practices great civility, people here are knowledgable and respectful. Even to semi literate types that have leaky colostomy bags, such as you!”
Tom of Melbourne…When you get a minute pull your head out of your arse it was you who insulted me. Since when did comments about incontinence pads, be regarded as civility?
I suggest it is you who should lift his game.
“who,s blog is this, rebs or the Phil and inane show,”
Well it certainly is not yours.
Hall I didn’t bother reading your comments, I presume just more bullshit, go away please go away.
“who,s blog is this, rebs or the Phil and inane show, why don’t the two go over to inanes blog, you two are getting tiresome, so why don’t the both of you just f#ch off”
HEAR HEAR!!
Remarkable, Phil’s incontinence bag has spilled on to his keyboard.
TB,
I prefer the part of blogging where one remains anonymous with all due respect (to many people with nothing better to do)…Undergrad in Biomedical Engineering then on to a medical degree (not practicing clinically). However, pretty irrelevant in regards to much I am afraid say that for my “educational endeavors” have always been “evidence based”…Sleep tight…
“Remarkable, Phil’s incontinence bag has spilled on to his keyboard ‘
You really can’t help yourself can you?
(All I pretend to know about a B.S. or an M.D. is that atlases are fascinating.)
Particularly Peri Reis.
Undergrad in Biomedical Engineering then on to a medical degree
So that was a bachelor degree in BioMed and the what type of qual in medical then?
TB,
I keep waiting for a “zinger”…..Bachelor in Biomed and a Medical Degree…aka M.D. GP….Not practicing clinically though; other interests…
“Since when did comments about incontinence pads, be regarded as civility?”
I believe he was passing comment on “bags” not “pads”.
But I suppose if the Bag Fits Wear It.
Meta…
Interesting….
Sparta, no “zinger” … I was just curious because they would both be undergraduate degrees … what was the biomed faculty BSc. or BEng.? I’m assuming MD or DO for the med.
Professional interest only … you may recall my profession was/is in adult learning … did you ever practice … I recall you spent some time in the military …
BTW a “Zinger” is a burger from Kentucky
DuckFried Chicken in Oz … 😆TB,
BEng/M.D…..Military service first, then undergraduate compliments of the GI Bill.
“you may recall my profession was/is in adult learning”
Indeed…In my opinion a “noble” calling…
“BTW a “Zinger” is a burger from Kentucky DuckFried Chicken in Oz”
That’s hilarious, I had no idea…Never been to OZ but currently looking into positions with my agency doing some work in Southeast Asia…You can bet, if it works out, I will be taking a peek at your unique country…Have always wanted to see OZ….
Cheers
World is on the move….
On and on…Bleeding hearts, wake up please…The level of fraud today is unprecedented. boat arrivals, fraud students, vacation visa overstay etc….Anything and everything to get to the West….
GUMBALLS anybody?
After coming to Australia as a lawful economic migrant i completely am gutted by thee boat people
the rights and ease humanatarian visa gives them is also unjust
Come what may this should stop as they are not safe for our nation\
Abott you have a complete follower in me just for doing this
Without a doubt, from the straw polls I have conducted, legal immigrants deplore illegal immigrants.
Having worked in a variety of detention centres I can advise you that very few are genuine, despite what the tricky lawyers and advocates have to say. Many are extremely antisocial, that abuse the workers, throw things, spit at them and constantly make threats and attempt to manipulate. Also very entitled. Sorry to say, that those who have never been in a position to manage challenging behaviours, are very naive re this issue. Many, are the very last people you would want in this country, or any over.
So, to dig up an old thread…..Iain Hall is right.
Firstly, the fool that was murdered on Manus Island was a qualified architect that stood a better chance of successful immigration had he used the Skilled Migration Visa that is easily applied for. His own father describes him not as a persecuted victim fleeing a warzone, but as a “scoial refugee” because in his country, he’s supposed to be able to support his family and his ten wives yada yada….., and that he can’t is the worlds’ fault.
Secondly, the assholes that filmed themselves yelling “Fuck Australia, Fuck Tony Abott, Fuck Scott Morrison” and “Remember 9/11 this is why it happened” et al, are OBVIOUSLY the reason why we dont let fuckers in the back door. Persecuted my arse. One prick admitted he couldnt get in via legal means so figured he’d just help himself through the back gate. Even thought he had some rights to our services, and threatened to kill a couple of our navy boys? Get a grip fucktard, you are going back to where you came from in a big sweaty giant orange Tic Tac. I hope you choke on your own sea sick vomit.
Thirdly, You on the left have had your chance. We watched painfully for six years as +1000 human beings drowned slowly (“Accidents happen….tragedies happen” wailed Greens Senator Sarah Two-Dads) whilst you ummed and ahhh’d about policy and tried to please everyone. All the while, real refugees languishing in camps for over a decade, willing to be settled ANYWHERE in the WORLD remain in desolation, because leftards let scum queue jumpers with thousands of dollars into our country.
Note to Country Shoppers.. Australia has lots of TicTacs. All orange flavoured.
So to all the bleeding hearts with their balls in a jar, please, go back to your campfires, grab your guitars and sing yourselves a god damn job and a haircut, and leave the security of our borders to those with their balls still intact, and the brains to get the job done.
You make me sick.
Sheer genius 🙄 Reb this knuckle dragger makes Kneel read like Einstein
You make me sick.
I see Scott Morrison’s old man has found TDT …
Off to Chiang Rai tomorrow …
Keep up the BS!
Do you recall I mentioned that Putin was a wanker to be watched?
So many historical references suggest a master plan by fundamentalists to reach a global totalitarian state.This state does not need democracy or human rights to be maintained.It is the case of evil tyrants and psychopaths living in their garden of evil.Communists think the fundamentalists will position society into a desparate corner begging for the Commies power to save them.These two powerfull forces are relentless.Only education can prevent this fall into chaos.