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January 10, 2014

Abbott

The leader of our open and transparent government, Tony Abbott has likened the fight against people-smugglers and asylum seekers to “war,” while defending the detention centres asylum-seekers are locked up in as “effective” and “humanely run.”

Indonesian officials say the Australian navy has turned back at least one boat carrying asylum-seekers to its shores, while The Gutter Filth (our sister publication)  reports that as many as five have been secretly returned.

The Coalition refuses to reveal details of the incidents or other “operational matters”, sparking claims from critics and other meddling do-gooders that it is running an orchestrated “Stalinist”-style media blackout.

“In the end, we are in a fierce contest with these people-smugglers,” the Prime Minister told The Gutter Trash this morning.

IT’S WAR!

“And if we were at war, we wouldn’t be giving out information that is of use to the enemy just because we might have an idle curiosity about it ourselves.”

I mean why can’t people just STFU?

Mr Abbott said he would not release information which would be exploited by people-smugglers to the peril of their customers “and to the tremendous disadvantage of our country”.

The Coalition’s policy to tow back boats to Indonesia has annoyed Jakarta a bit, which has warned it will breach Indonesian territorial sovereignty.

Human Rights groups have strongly criticised the offshore detention centres as harsh and the process under which the asylum-seekers are dealt with, but Mr Abbott defended them.

NOT FIVE STAR HOTELS

“We don’t apologise for the fact that they’re not five-star or even three-star hotels, nevertheless we are confident that we are well and truly discharging our humanitarian obligations,” he said.

GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM

“People are housed, they’re clothed, they’re fed, they’re given medical attention. They’re kept as safe as we can make it for them. But we want them to go back to the country from which they came.”

 

 

 

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  1. January 10, 2014 2:04 pm
  2. January 10, 2014 2:19 pm

    If you fancy a bit of a laugh this afternoon, you could do worse than read the reviews of Cory Bernardi’s book over at Amazon.com…

    http://www.amazon.com/THE-CONSERVATIVE-REVOLUTION-Cory-Bernardi/product-reviews/1922168963/ref=pr_all_summary_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

  3. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 10, 2014 2:56 pm

    Tony’s gathered in his Masses

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 10, 2014 3:10 pm

    Tug the boats
    Pull the boats
    Yank the boats
    Jerk the boats

    …as long as we’re not towing them back

  5. January 10, 2014 3:12 pm

    Mr. People Skills.

  6. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 10, 2014 3:13 pm

    But Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says “nothing justifies the Prime Minister’s ongoing war on the truth”.

    “We don’t know what is happening on our borders. We don’t know what the Prime Minister is doing, or if he has any control over the situation at all,” he said.

    “We are getting more information from Indonesia than from our own Government.”

    Mr Shorten says it is time “the PM ended this cavalier attitude towards transparency” as “it shows a deep disrespect for the Australian people”.

    “There is nothing more serious than dealing with the evil trade of people smuggling. We’re talking about lives being lost at sea,” he said.

    “It is not for Tony Abbott to be satisfied that actions taken by his Government are right and justified – that is for the Australian people to judge.”

    Well done Bill, I wonder if “the War on Truth” will get the same mileage as “she Lied” did??

    Meanwhile, while everyone was clapping each other on their backs yesterday claiming that the Indonesians were behind this push, the truth finally filters through

    Mr Abbott’s comments came as Indonesia’s government and military closed ranks against Australia’s policy of turning back asylum seeker boats.

    The Indonesian president’s office has backed his foreign minister’s rejection of Australia policy, saying turning boats back to Indonesia is “unhelpful”.

    And Indonesia’s military chief General Moeldoko, who was quoted in the Jakarta Post as saying he had “agreed” to Australia’s policy, now says his words have been “twisted”.

    Earlier this week General Moeldoko was reported as saying that his Australian counterpart, General David Hurley, called him to explain that Australia would be turning boats back.

    “I have agreed. Therefore, we don’t need to feel offended,” The Jakarta Post reported him as saying.

    But General Moeldoko now says that does not mean he supports Australia sending asylum seeker boats back to Indonesia.

    He says his words merely meant that he recognised the Australian Navy was carrying out orders from the Federal Government.

    “My response was not approving it. I said ‘I understand the tactical steps,’ that’s my standpoint,” he said.
    Boat turn-back controversy at a glance

    “I did not speak about foreign policy, instead I spoke about tactical decisions in the field. My statement should not be twisted.”

    The general blamed misreporting and told journalists to “straighten it up”.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-10/abbott-likens-campaign-against-people-smugglers-to-war/5193546

    Where it all ends, nobody knows. But one thing is certain, since this Government has come to power, our relationship with Indonesia has degenerated markedly, from what was a healthy and burgeoning relationship under successive Governments..

  7. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 10, 2014 3:15 pm

    Jerk the boats

    There’s definitely Jerking going on Tom, but when will the journos wake up to fact that they are the ones being jerked??

  8. January 10, 2014 3:17 pm

    It’s too late to save the flying kangaroo…

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/01/10/qantas-junked-its-too-late-to-save-the-flying-kangaroo/

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2014 3:31 pm

    It’s too late to save the flying kangaroo…

    Those fkn unions! Alan was doing a fabulous job until they stepped in!

    Fire the lot of ’em I say!

    Rejoice for Joyce!

  10. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 10, 2014 3:36 pm

    It’s too late to save the flying kangaroo

    Damn those Unions! How dare they strand it’s entire fleet with ALL their passengers without any notification!

    Funnily, I think we will get another round of absolute rubbish stories from thise vested interests blaming the workers and Unions again. It is Holden’s all over.

    What a record for a new Government “Football, Meat Pies, (bloody unions), and (bloody unions) cars”

    And to top it all of, we are off to WAR! Remember, we were always at war with EastAsia Smugglers

  11. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 10, 2014 3:36 pm

    Beat me to it TB

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 10, 2014 3:38 pm

    That’s a pity.

    Qantas is overburdened with the baggage of a traditional airline structure, the overheads and fixed costs are unsustainable.

    Virgin doesn’t have a comparable cost structure and yes the union conditions that are imposed on Qantas that don’t apply to Virgin, are part of the problem

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2014 3:41 pm

    Qantas is overburdened with the baggage of a fkn stupidly shortsighted (pun intended) CEO … and Board – the last board wanted to sell QANTAS … for their own gain! 🙄

    How short the memory!

  14. January 10, 2014 3:45 pm

    Qantas is overburdened with the baggage of an incompetent Chief Executive.

  15. January 10, 2014 3:46 pm

    TB beat me to it too…..

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2014 3:46 pm

    And when was the last time you saw a QANTAS ad? And the FF program is now a joke …

    And for the record my FF card tells me I joined in 1996! And flew return in 2005 from Brisbane to London business class on 450,000 FF points …

    Having said that Jetstar is almost as bad as Delta or EgyptAir … and I’m sure Virgin recycle all the left over food … fkn awful! Singapore is over rated … BA is surprisingly good …

    But then I’ve yet to experience flying in VN, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand!

  17. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 10, 2014 4:04 pm

    and yes the union conditions that are imposed on Qantas that don’t apply to Virgin

    Do these conditions contribute you think to what could/should be their biggest marketing campaign, Airline Safety?

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 10, 2014 4:06 pm

    Do these conditions contribute you think to what could/should be their biggest marketing campaign, Airline Safety?

    No, the union imposed structures are a barrier to efficiency, not related to safety.

  19. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2014 4:12 pm

    “But then I’ve yet to experience flying in VN…….”

    Oh……………….you’ll certainly enjoy that.

    I just hope for your sake none of the Vietnamese Governments VIP’s are going anywhere as they tend to confiscate 2 or 3 of Vietnam Airs Jets whenever they feel like with 2 hours notice.

    Tooooooooooo bad if its supposed to be your flight

  20. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2014 4:20 pm

    “….should be their biggest marketing campaign, Airline Safety?”

    JJ most aircraft are quite safe these days due to advances in technology.

    In fact in view of the Qantas incident with the A380 a few years ago where the Rolls Royce engine blew up with the cowling ripping through the fuel lines ,ailerons and some hydraulics one could take the view that its safer on Sing Air or Cathay Pacific etc than Qantas notwithstanding the aircraft was saved.

    The newer craft require much less maintenance than ever before.

    The days of using safety as Qantas’ “advantage” were pretty much gone 5 years after Dustin Hoffman’s“Rainman”

    Just don’t fly Aeroflop. And try to avoid Garuda

  21. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2014 4:29 pm

    I remember when I was offered a flight on a Cambodian Tin Pot airline a few years ago for my little jungle stint there. All of us in our party decided to “bus” it across the border.

    Just before the Cambodian border the bus stopped and the entire rear of the bus became a ramp (we were up front).

    It just folded down onto the roadway like a castle drawbridge.

    Now us Westerners were expecting and OK with the various ducks and chickens we were sharing the cabin with .But it did bring a smile to our western faces when a few of the rear seats were also taken out and up the ramp came a donkey. He traveled with us for the next 80km

  22. January 10, 2014 4:32 pm

    “try to avoid Garuda”

    I think I read a while back that three out of five Garduda pilots failed a drug test for methamphetamine.

  23. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 10, 2014 4:37 pm

    No, the union imposed structures are a barrier to efficiency, not related to safety.

    Yet the results are in..

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/09/travel/safest-airline-2013/

    Sorry Walrus, but maybe the CEO should concentrate on being proud of what he has, rather than jealous of what others can get away with??

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2014 5:38 pm

    sreb, JJ re “beat me to it” … under normal circumstances I’d say great minds think alike … under these circumstances … its just a no brainer for anyone who can read, listen and add up 2+2 (the latter actually includes Wally — I think?)

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2014 5:39 pm

    Sorry Walrus, but maybe the CEO should concentrate on being proud of what he has …

    Or simply fuck off like he should have done five years ago!

  26. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2014 5:42 pm

    Yes I accept that JJ but from your link is also this

    “………….Last year was the safest for flying since 1945, with 269 deaths from 29 accidents, the ASN records.

    That compares with a far higher 10-year average of 719 fatalities and 32 accidents annually (involving planes with a minimum passenger capacity of 14).

    “The average number of airliner accidents has shown a steady and persistent decline,” said the ASN president, Harro Ranter, “probably for a great deal thanks to the continuing safety-driven efforts by international aviation organizations………….”

    So my point is that “safety” is no longer as paramount as it once was during the 70s and 80s. You cant just hang your marketing on that and charge an extra $500 a seat to get to London.

    The US have not had any major accidents (911 doesn’t count) with mass loss of life for quite a while nor have the Poms or the Europeans that I can recall (OK Concord). But that’s sometime ago now.

    “Aircraft Investigations” on PayTV has of late been concentrating on airlines in Vietnam and Cambodia of late.

    I’d be very wary of flying into those joints where they dilute the avgas with rice wine when its in a glut

  27. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2014 5:47 pm

    And I agree. Joyce has had his chance. Time for him to go before the Government makes a decision on the Qantas Sale Act. We need some clean air and a clean slate.

    And why the fuck do we need a protected national carrier ?

    Qantas as a brand will live on but it needs flexibility

  28. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2014 5:55 pm

    And a safest airline claim can obviously change year on year.

    http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/worlds-safest-airlines-named-20130110-2cikq.html

    Even Volvo had to make their cars “sexier”

  29. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2014 6:13 pm

    Actually Air France lost one or was it two in the last few years. At leastt one btw South America and France I think it was

  30. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2014 6:15 pm

    And here’s the Top 10 in 2011. Again no Qantas.

    http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/worlds-top-10-safest-airlines-named-20110830-1jj3k.html

    So hanging marketing on safety is not gonna cut it

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2014 6:19 pm

    Wally, most of us knew that … but its NOT the UNION’s problem … its the CEO and the BOARD!

  32. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2014 6:28 pm

    Besides all that……………….When was the last Virgin Flight that fell victim to gravity, or Singapore Air, or BA, or Malaysian, or Thai Air, or Emirates.

    Afterall that’s who you are competing with on the Kangaroo route to London. So those airlines could also point to their own safety record plus a cheaper seat.

    If Qantas want to charge higher prices they’ll ned to get their competitive advantage by producing a far superior service.
    Which they dont

  33. Walrus permalink
    January 10, 2014 6:30 pm

    You cant shift all the blame to the Board.

    As I said Joyce should go but they need to be able to raise capital from shareholders and therefore need a very good Sugar Daddy and that cannot be the Federal Government.

    The Act needs changing or the market will take the matter out of the Board’s and Union’s hands anyway.

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2014 6:36 pm

    Wally – we all know that but that’s the CEO and the BOARD”s … oh wait?

    Have you ever read how Harley Davidson saved itself? You should … it asked staff what it should do …

  35. January 10, 2014 6:37 pm

    ””””””””””””””’Yesterday, Mr Abbott said he preferred to be a “closed book” on Operation Sovereign Borders than give rise to “mischief-making”.

    “The point is not to provide sport for public discussion; the point is to stop the boats,” he told Macquarie Radio.””””””’
    http://www.news.com.au/national/up-to-five-boats-sent-back-as-tony-abbott-defends-secrecy/story-e6frfkp9-1226798586538
    #no-pay-wall
    .
    (our sister publication) is living up to it`s usual standards l see, and won`t even bother challenging Mr-Rabbit on basic hypocrisy. #YayTeabagMedia

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2014 6:37 pm

    And yes the Act should actually be repealed … as I keep saying either we live in a free market or we don’t!

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2014 6:39 pm

    erm, teabag, news.com.au is a part of news ltd ….shaking head – again …

  38. January 10, 2014 6:58 pm

    ”””’No, the union imposed””'(boo)
    Pass yomm a fcuking tissue, the article clearly states,
    .
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/01/10/qantas-junked-its-too-late-to-save-the-flying-kangaroo/
    ””””””””””How does a company in as much trouble as Qantas rid itself of group CEO Alan Joyce and a board chaired by Leigh Clifford in order to reverse or remove a set of ruinously bad strategic mistakes?””””’
    +
    ”””’Moody’s belatedly followed S&P in downgrading the airline’s debt risk to junk status.”””
    +
    ”””””””””’the behaviour of Joyce in making a serious of emotional and entitled but vague and shifting demands on government for relief from the competitive pressure being brought on Qantas””””’
    +
    ”””””””’Joyce was silent and invisible when the Moody’s announcement came out.””””’
    +
    ”””””””””Qantas, under its current management and board, cannot be saved. It is a management and board without answers, which has done extraordinary damage to a stock that was once a trusted and reliable performer in many funds in the five years since Joyce and Clifford set up a confrontational rather than collegiate approach to managing the painful changes all large airlines faced in recent times and circumstances.”””””’
    +
    ””””””Joyce has made Qantas an object of ridicule in Asia by bragging about how he was going to set up a premium low-cost, single-aisle carrier based in Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, anywhere, using puppet Asian managements to ensure the profits cross-subsidised the full-service international Qantas brand. They were some of the most cringe-worthy statements ever made by a major Australian company with Asia ambitions, none of which proved of any substance.”””””””
    .
    .
    Prise them open teabag, they don`t make any `union` claim in the article.
    #TeabagWetDreams

  39. January 10, 2014 7:05 pm

    ”””””’erm, teabag, news.com.au is a part of news ltd ….shaking head – again …”””””’

    yes l know, put ya glasses on grandpa,

    l hit teh-paywall with reb`s link in the post,

    so l found another way in, and marked it with
    ””””’#no-pay-wall””””””

  40. January 10, 2014 7:15 pm

    ”””””””Qantas, under its current management and board, cannot be saved. It is a management and board without answers, which has done extraordinary damage””””’

    While yomm prefers to run his mindless, tired `unions-boo` theme and keep his eyes shut tight to everything else the information super highway provides us. lt should be noted that Joyce/Qantas has already tossed the repair-jobs to the wind, and have gone off-shore for repairs, hence NO UNION TO BLAME.

    Everything now comes from SHIT BOARDROOM or MANAGEMENT

  41. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 10, 2014 7:30 pm

    “The point is not to provide sport for public discussion; the point is to stop the boats,”

    Says the proprietor of the worlds first politically based people smuggling advertising agency

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    January 10, 2014 7:33 pm

    yes l know, put ya glasses on grandpa,

    Don’t go there sunshine! I’ve left the nasties behind … but they can be revived. 😛

  43. January 10, 2014 7:33 pm

    ”””””””””’I think I read a while back that three out of five Garduda pilots failed a drug test for methamphetamine.”””””””

    Better give`em a 457-visa, they seem to be qualified for our trucking industry.

  44. January 10, 2014 8:43 pm

    Yeah, ya`real fcuking management material yomm,
    ya`can`t even file your #qantas-reply on the #qantas-fred,

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 10, 2014 8:46 pm

    OK

    There are many facets to the ills of Qantas, and a significant one is its cost structure, and highly paid inefficient workers don’t assist to get it under control.

    My suggestions-
    • Close the heavy maintenance base in Mascot and get the work done in a low cost country
    • Outsource catering to McDonalds or KFC or anywhere that understands efficient preparation of food
    • Hand over baggage handling and transport to Linfox or someone
    • Source 75% of cabin crew from overseas ports
    • Pay remaining workers much, much less

    Meanwhile the government can change the Qantas Sale Act and let Singapore or Emirates take a 40% holding

    Contentious as all that may be, they’re the arrangements that are available to Virgin!

  46. January 10, 2014 8:55 pm

    ”””””the government can(should/must) change the Qantas Sale Act and let”’taxpayer nipple be free from threat, by qantas/joyce, taxpayers don`t need another `welfare-case` like the auto industry has been.

  47. January 10, 2014 8:58 pm

    Walrus makes a lot bit of sense when he’s not in a fit of rage lashing out at everyone on the blog…

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 10, 2014 9:10 pm

    You might explain how it is “another `welfare-case` like the auto industry” when the suggestion is that it be treated in the same manner as Virgin.

  49. January 10, 2014 9:32 pm

    the govt should stop interfering with qantas, and stop making itself a `future-liability` for any future qantas failure, let qantas management run it into the ground all under its own steam,

    maybe `future welfare case` would read better,

  50. January 11, 2014 12:21 am

    “Walrus makes a lot bit of sense when he’s not in a fit of rage lashing out at everyone on the blog…”

    I’ve noticed the same curious pattern! 😉

  51. Walrus permalink
    January 11, 2014 12:53 am

    “Walrus makes a lot bit of sense when he’s not in a fit of rage lashing out at everyone on the blog…”

    “I’ve noticed the same curious pattern! ”

    I take exception to the word “everyone”

    Just home

    Went Vietnamese again same restaurant

    5 waitress’s tonight. Busy night

    So it’s a no brainer. All under 24

    All have never flown Qantas

  52. January 11, 2014 1:07 am

    I Too Lived On Roots And Locusts…

  53. Walrus permalink
    January 11, 2014 1:20 am

    Oops

    Mrs Walrus just corrected me

    2 had flown Jetstar

    Listening to “moonlight shadow” on the radio

    Can’t remember when I last heard it

    It used to be so many girls so little time

    Now it’s so much other stuff so little time

  54. Walrus permalink
    January 11, 2014 1:22 am

    Good

  55. Walrus permalink
    January 11, 2014 1:28 am

    Good to see you here TJ

    Awaiting Phil to lose control of his bowels I trust
    And awake a tad cranky ?

    I’m outa here.

    The mrs and the hairy covered 4kg razor blades beckon me

    LOL

    Enjoy yourself

    And make the monkey dance

  56. January 11, 2014 2:07 am

    lot bits, are hard to measure the magnitude of, without an electron microscope.

  57. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 11, 2014 7:53 am

    As to this claim about Qantas being “another `welfare-case` like the auto industry” Could it perhaps be highlighted just how Holden was a “welfare-case”. Sure it got Government subsidies, subsidies that were more than compensated back from the activity it in turn generated back in the economy. Simply put, it needed those subsidies to operate on an even footing with other countries. Our Government has (had) chosen to go the subsidy path rather than the protectionist one, but they are both essentially the same thing, and they both essentially make FTA agreements largely worthless in the long run

    Australia has an FTA with Thailand. The Ford Territory, which costs between $39,990 and $62,740 in Australia, costs around $100,000 in Thailand. The equivalent locally made car in Thailand costs $35,000.

    The main reason for the difference is an internal excise tax which gets around the FTA. There’s also a tax rebate for first car buyers that only applies to cars built in Thailand.

    Australia also has an FTA with Malaysia, but Australian manufacturers report they have no hope of selling cars in Malaysia because of arbitrary customs valuations and local content tax incentives.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/kohler-car-industry/5025360

    And as for blaming the workers/unions, look closer to management, as the workers do the best they can, usually to see their work offset by ridiculous decisions made at the top. Not that this appeared to be a problem at Holdens, whose management seems to have been quite competent.

    In a piece in The Drum in August, Phillip Toner of the University of Sydney wrote that productivity in the car industry (value added per worker) was $100,000 per worker compared with $85,000 across the economy.

    So it doesn’t seem that motor industry productivity is lower than elsewhere and that wages are out of line, or that car industry workers are living the high life.

    No, Qantas, and its own eventual demise can be squarely landed at the feet of Joyce. He has run this company into the ground, for what reason, who knows, perhaps petty spite, or perhaps simple lack of talent, either way, the fault lies at the top here, and again, the workers will feel the brunt of the failures

    The Virgin forces knew very well that in the past Qantas had always been able to go to the capital raising market and come away oversubscribed for anything it asked without there being the slightest problem with the restrictions on foreign-domiciled shareholders written into the Qantas Sale Act of 1992.

    But not any more. After five years of arguably appalling mismanagement, Qantas can’t access such shares for cash issues. Especially not at a share price stubbornly below $1.50, and yesterday trading as low as $1 and closing not much higher.
    ……….
    There is much more Joyce needs to justify. He has not put in writing any requests for action by the government to save Qantas from the consequences of his quite shockingly bad management of the airline, in which more than $1 billion worth of resources appears to have been squandered on loss-making adventures in Asia, and of course $200 million worth of collateral from his stranding tens of thousands of customers in October 2011 to resolve an industrial impasse of managements own making.
    …….
    This isn’t about a level playing field, as Qantas claims. It is about the quality of its management, and the deep levels of harm it has inflicted on the carrier.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/12/06/qantas-playing-field-isnt-level-it-has-poor-managers-running-it/?wpmp_switcher=mobile&wpmp_tp=1

  58. January 11, 2014 10:00 am

    ”””””””’Could it perhaps be highlighted just how Holden was a “welfare-case”. Sure it got Government subsidies,””’

    and hand-outs of one kind or another, which most other industry`s don`t. The foreign out-posts pretending to be teh`aussie` auto industry for the last 30+ years have failed to bring `affordable` products to the market, which the market `actually` want, and seemed to spend more effort in extorting welfare out of the Govts, both state and federal.

    Addicted to `free-trade` mantra which allows `dumping` from Asia means, any aussie-biz is fcuked if Asia wants to dump here. The more `complex` the industry, the sooner it will go. `Complex` meaning `lots-of-labor` or lots of stages or processes to work thru.

    Having said that, most, if not all auto-making countries have been sucked in to being extorted by the auto-makers.

    #qantas different, see comment above @-9.32pm

  59. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 11, 2014 10:12 am

    Having said that, most, if not all auto-making countries have been sucked in to being extorted by the auto-makers.

    Then it isn’t welfare if we offer (well, did) the same to ours to try and keep the playing field level.

  60. January 11, 2014 10:22 am

    lt does not matter if you call them `extortion-payments` or `welfare` or `handouts` or some other term, it is the same thing. Billion$ have been paid, it can`t and shouldn`t go on for ever. The trigger needed to be pulled.

    The `Level-play-field` term is bullshit. there just isn`t one. The Thailand cartel dumps thai-made cars in Aust and we don`t apply tax/duty to them, when Aust-made cars go to thai, thai adds 100%.? duty/tarif/tax. Not Level.

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 11, 2014 10:34 am

    To be profitable and entirely viable Qantas requires-
    *access to foreign capital (government regulation)
    *a lower cost structure (largely labour related)

    Virgin has access to both, so what’s the problem with suggesting a level playing field?

  62. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 11, 2014 2:43 pm

    To be profitable and entirely viable Qantas requires a new CEO

  63. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 11, 2014 2:44 pm

    a new CEO and board (cos they enable him)

  64. January 11, 2014 6:18 pm

    Tom of Melbourne permalink January 10, 2014 8:46 pm
    ””””””My suggestions-”””””’

    Your “suggestion`s` don`t amount to anything more than,
    1-out-source everything you can,
    2-austerity for all remaining work-force,

    ””””’There are many facets to the ills of Qantas, and a significant one is its cost structure, and highly paid inefficient”’BOARDROOM don’t assist to get it under control.”””””

  65. egg permalink
    January 11, 2014 6:28 pm

    “The Greens are a separate, different, independent political force whose views and ideology are contrary to the views and ideology of the labour movement.

    “We don’t think it is in the interests of the labour movement to be forming formal allegiances with the Greens.”

    Paul Howes

  66. January 11, 2014 6:29 pm

    JJ”””””””’To be profitable and entirely viable Qantas requires a new”’CEO and not have Govt interfering with `qantas-ownership` as the Govt no-longer `owns` qantas.

  67. January 11, 2014 7:01 pm

    West Virginia has had a chemical spill which has contaminated their water supply, bottled water sold out. via sbs1 tv

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 11, 2014 7:23 pm

    Teabag – clearly an expert in aviation

  69. January 11, 2014 7:32 pm

    “We don’t think it is in the interests of the labour movement to be forming formal allegiances with the Greens.”

    He left out the bit about “however we’ll do it if our political survival depends on it…”

    The reality is that most “young people” these days are small “L” liberals…

    Most have never lived through periods of prolonged poverty… Most have never had to rely on a Union to represent their interests because of the fact that they enjoy relatively comfortable employment conditions as a consequence of workplace battles fought and won by Unions a generation ago.

    What many fail to appreciate however, is that things can change dramatically overnight…

    The Liberal party has always been about transferring wealth from the poor to the rich and barracking for the interests of big business.

    The hilarious thing is that career-benefit-bludgers like Inane think that they’re part of the in-crowd when they extoll the virtues of the Liberal Party, when the reality is they’re just a pack turkeys longing for Christmas.

  70. January 11, 2014 7:35 pm

    I’m no expert in aviation, however I have worked directly with a number of successful CEOs (as well as one or two others who I had little faith in their abilities).

    The fact that Alan Joyce is still at the helm of Qantas and blaming just about everyone else for the woes of Qantas bar himself is frankly bordering on the ridiculous. In any other company he would’ve been sacked years ago.

    He was clearly never up to the job in the first place.

  71. January 11, 2014 7:50 pm

    ””””””””””’The fact that Alan Joyce is still at the helm of Qantas and blaming just about everyone else for the woes of Qantas bar himself is frankly bordering on the ridiculous. In any other company he would’ve been sacked years ago.”””’
    fully agree
    .
    ””””””””He was clearly never up to the job in the first place.””’
    Promoted beyond capability l suspect.

    He seemed to do OK for a uk airline, but the uk (including_ireland) is what.? the size of Tasmania.? Half of Victoria.?

    lt looks to me the `error` of being somewhat successful in the uk, was assumed would automatically transfer/translate to being successful in Aust.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 11, 2014 7:53 pm

    Joyce seems to be capable of forcing institutions into decisions that will ultimately benefit Qantas. He did this with FWA.

    At the moment he is putting pressure on politicians to lift the restriction on ownership. This isn’t a bad tactic and is interests of shareholders and the airline.

  73. egg permalink
    January 11, 2014 7:56 pm

    I agree that young people are less inclined to join a union and generally bargain on their own behalf. In a free market, depending on supply and demand, the workers are cogs supplying widgets and are expendable.

    The nearby gold mine employed 3000 miners a few years ago, but new heavy moving technology, coupled with a downturn in the gold price, has seen their numbers reduced by two-thirds. The union is unable to do anything about this.

    Howes is looking at the big picture and this insidious marriage with the Greens. The Tasmanian divorce is drawing a line in the sand and some of ‘you people’ maybe forced to consider your political future.

    If Albo had been elected Opposition leader I would have become a fulsome supporter.

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 11, 2014 7:57 pm

    I’m off to a nice restaurant (on the coast) with a bottle of 2004 St Henri. Back in a few hours, fully charged by fine wine!

  75. January 11, 2014 8:13 pm

    “If Albo had been elected Opposition leader I would have become a fulsome supporter.”

    Shorten is just a “placeholder’ opposition leader. He’ll be gone before the next election.

    And judging by the polls, Abbott will be too.

  76. egg permalink
    January 11, 2014 8:21 pm

    ‘And judging by the polls, Abbott will be too.’

    The punters at sportsbet reckon the monk will survive a full term.

  77. January 11, 2014 8:24 pm

    It’s a long way to the next election egg…

  78. January 11, 2014 8:30 pm

    Yes it is a long way off, but interesting precedents have been set in play, and it `will` definitely be entertaining on both sides leadership survival, and what the public expect.

  79. egg permalink
    January 11, 2014 8:39 pm

    There maybe a double dissolution after July, if the new Senate is intransigent, which the LNP would easily win. Labor is not prepared for an early battle.

  80. January 11, 2014 9:34 pm

    #bullshit #goWatermelon #goClive 😆

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 12, 2014 6:52 pm

    It’s interesting to note that reb has been a strident critic of Howard, Rudd, Gillard, Rudd and Abbott policies on asylum seekers. Others, such as the barrackers at CW only manage to find their voice when there is a Liberal Government.

    Pathetic apologists for previous ALP policy and pathetic hypocrites under this government.

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    January 12, 2014 7:06 pm

    Thanks, ToM … 🙄

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 12, 2014 7:17 pm

    I still think John Howard got it right. We take our asylum seekers from UNHCR camps.

    Some leftoids want a regional solution. And that is the wrong thing to do.

    We do not want asylum seekers from Africa and South America to somehow travel to Indonesia and then somehow find a people smuggler and then somehow find $10,000 of hard currency.

    Taking asylum seekers from UNHCR camps is the way to go.

    Unfortunately way back in 2007 Australia voted against that idea because Howard was mean and nasty whereas nice Mr Rudd is good and righteous.

    Anyway that is what ALP supporters said.

  84. January 13, 2014 7:27 am

    It’s interesting to note that reb has been a strident critic of Howard, Rudd, Gillard, Rudd and Abbott policies on asylum seekers. Others, such as the barrackers at CW only manage to find their voice when there is a Liberal Labor Government.

    Pathetic apologists for previous ALP policy Teabag Theory and pathetic hypocrites under this government.

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2014 10:26 am

    I still think John Howard got it right.

    😯 Surprise, surprise, surprise …

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 13, 2014 10:36 am

    It is interesting that so many who sought to excuse every contortion and press release of the ALP have now discovered a conscience about the plight of asylum seekers.

    They obviously don’t recall their previous expediency

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 13, 2014 10:46 am

    Good to see you read my posts TB, you might learn something.

    It should never be forgotten that the Rudd/Gillard govt has the record for the most asylum seekers locked up. Building new detention centers all the time.

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    January 13, 2014 10:57 am

    Good to see you read my posts TB, you might learn something.

    I might one day, Kneel, but only if you write something new … do you start year 12 or year 11 this year?

  89. January 13, 2014 11:57 am

    Well, “locking them up” is a deterrent but hardly the solution…They will keep coming until there is no reason to come. That my friends is the real challenge. You can let in millions and not make a dent…Have to change things from which they flee. I hold no ill will towards the asylum seeker or economic migrant but simply admitting more does nothing. However, if your going to admit, I would prefer they are the truly needy. End of story…

    Note: Truly needy do not have 14,000.00 US to hitch a ride….Just saying…They languish in the camps…

  90. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 14, 2014 4:40 pm

    ALP supporters are going to be upset. The Coalition is closing down one of the few achievements of the ALPs time in power.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-14/morrison-to-announce-closure-of-four-mainland-detention-centres/5199160

    Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has confirmed the closure of four detention centres on the Australian mainland, in a move he says will save the budget $88.8 million a year.”

    Building detention centers was one of the few things the ALP was good at.

  91. Walrus permalink
    January 14, 2014 5:36 pm

    “Building detention centers was one of the few things the ALP was good at.”

    Yes………………….they had a lot of practice

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2014 7:36 pm

    I think, Kneel, may be demonstrating his totalitarian background …

  93. IPA permalink
    January 14, 2014 7:37 pm

    Lets Lleyton. let’s go!

    OI!

  94. IPA permalink
    January 14, 2014 7:47 pm

    He choked.

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2014 8:01 pm

    Bec looks nice.

  96. January 14, 2014 8:19 pm

    It is very hot here in Melbourne. One could almost be tempted to chill one’s glass of red wine…

    Almost…

    But then I don’t live in Queensland, where they’re probably drinking frozen Shiraz Slurpies…

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2014 9:05 pm

    I’m on the coast, at a pub with a cool breeze. It’s nice here

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    January 14, 2014 9:52 pm

    Just finished a nice bottle of chilled Mumm up here in paradise ….

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2014 10:11 pm

    Mumm? Were they out of aerated fruity lexica?

  100. IPA permalink
    January 14, 2014 10:25 pm

    Bernard retired hurt.

    When’s the next Test?

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 14, 2014 10:38 pm

    Bernie really doesn’t quite connect with true Aussie sports fans, we expect out heros to fight to the death. Like Lleyton and Mitch and Boonie and Shane. True icons of Aussie sporting culture.
    ———————
    Meanwhile some envious types are reflecting on Bec’s tanned complexion. Personally, I think women can never be fake tanned and bottle blonded enough.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/beauty/tanorexic-bec-hewitt-cops-flack-on-social-media-for-tandoori-tan-at-australian-open/story-fneszy80-1226801804362

  102. egg permalink
    January 15, 2014 8:26 am

    O’Farrell grows tin ear in alcohol debate.

  103. Dianne permalink
    January 15, 2014 9:31 am

    Egg – our democracy is run for vested interests. Politicians have to ignore the common good these days. Someone commented recently that capitalism had destroyed communism and was on the way to destroying democracy.
    I always amuse myself imagining ‘interests’ in vests. Pebble-beige, cables down the front, hand-knitted, a small ladder caused by a dropped stitch. It must be an impulse akin to those who confess to finding confidence by imagining the mighty in their undies.

  104. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 15, 2014 10:06 am

    The union leaders now have fluoro vests.

  105. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2014 10:13 am

    Setttled Science: Another scientific “fact” struck from the list: Drinking Alcohol Doesn’t Actually Kill Brain Cells

  106. Dianne permalink
    January 15, 2014 10:14 am

    Hard to bring the name of a union leader to mind these days.

    Power has gone a-knocking elsewhere.

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 15, 2014 10:24 am

    I can name a few union officials, I’m sure the Royal Commission will too!

  108. Dianne permalink
    January 15, 2014 10:25 am

    Good one Tom

  109. egg permalink
    January 15, 2014 10:52 am

    The Newcastle Solution

    The government is considering 91 recommendations of an independent review of the Liquor Act released before Christmas.

    Kypros Kypri, from the School of Medicine and Public Health at the University of Newcastle, in which city shortening trading hours by 90 minutes had reduced violence by 37 per cent, said the efficacy of lockouts was less certain.

    “Earlier closing works, and Newcastle is just one example, but there are others.”

  110. Walrus permalink
    January 15, 2014 11:37 am

    As pointed out in an article today earlier lockouts prompt people to go out earlier with less time between finishing work/sport/whatever to “preload” on booze at a friend’s place.

    It would also discourage people from traveling into the “Zoo” AKA Kings Cross/Rocks areas in the first place. They’d be more likely to go to their local pub/club for a night out.

    Let the muscled up goons of South West Sydney conduct their street fights in their own neighbourhoods where the Police can take corrective societal cleansing action and obtain greatly needed target practice with their Glocks and assortment of high powered telescopic rifles.

    Sure there might be some major road closures and the police might need to occupy rooftops but this would occur in largely off peak times anyway

  111. January 15, 2014 11:57 am

    It’s nice to see the scales of justice back.
    🙂

    It feels like old times….

  112. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2014 12:22 pm

    😉

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2014 12:27 pm

    Mumm? Were they out of aerated fruity lexica?

    Your know nuthin’, ToM of melbourne … 😉

    I agree, sreb, AND a name! Noice one ToSY …

    Speaking of snouts in troughs …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/former-federal-mp-alex-somlyays-wifes-job-being-investigated-by-australian-federal-police/story-fnii5v6w-1226801847392

    And once they get a taste they can’t stop stuffing themselves … Yvette D’arth was a Federal ALP member for six years and did sbsolutely nothing for her electorate (ask me how I know – go on!), she’s now standing in the Redcliffe by-election (State) after the Scott Driscoll debacle …

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/campbell-newman-sorry-scott-driscoll-failed-redcliffe-20140101-305wb.html

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 15, 2014 1:19 pm

    Qantas’ share price will rebound once the government releases the shackles. Though the MD and Chairman may not be around that long.

    Qantas needs one of the big airlines to take a sizable share.

  115. Walrus permalink
    January 15, 2014 1:43 pm

    I haven’t flown Qantas for ages. Just hate the standard of service so I go Virgin. When I was with Mrs Walrus in Perth a couple of weekends ago we both flew over on Virgin but because she stayed over there slightly longer visiting some friends and due to it being peak season she had to fly back on Qantas’ notorious overnight Perth to Sydney “Hepburn flight” ( Its been called that for many years as you get on feeling and looking like Audrey but get off feeling and looking like Katherine)

    Never ever ever ever ever again will she go Qantas she reckons.

  116. January 15, 2014 2:21 pm

    The “Hepburn flight”….. Now that is funny…. 🙂

    I’m flying Qantas in two weeks time to Penang (via Bangkok)…

    I’m not really looking forward to it. We usually fly Singaore Air or Malaysian Airlines.

    Qantas wouldn’t be so bad if the cabin crew weren’t so fkn stuck up and rude.

    They’re just a pack of unhelpful bitches.

    And the women aren’t much friendlier either.

  117. egg permalink
    January 15, 2014 2:24 pm

    🙂

  118. Tony permalink
    January 15, 2014 2:51 pm

    TV viewing tip: If you’ve got Foxtel (or can access US shows “elsewhere”), do yourself a favour and watch True Detective. It stars Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey, and, if the first episide is anything to go by, it’s going to be worth the effort.

    http://www.hbo.com/#/true-detective

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2014 4:22 pm

    For the love of Qantas, sack Alan Joyce…

    Why does it takes so long for people to actually see the fkn problem! Astounding! Again!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The QANTAS flight from Pert to Sydney you refer to is called The Red Eye for as long as I can remember and I used to fly it in the 1990’s … “we must remind passengers that sleeping in the aisles is not permitted” …

    I hope you didn’t have the Virgin slop they call food … it is atrocious worst I’ve ever attempted to taste …

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2014 4:27 pm

    They’re just a pack of unhelpful bitches.

    Yep, I agree … in fact I’ve always been surprised at BA staff and their professional/friendly approach …

  121. egg permalink
    January 15, 2014 5:04 pm

    Your link didn’t work for me Tony, so I’m guessing its just another cop show with a twist.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2014 5:49 pm

    Nor me, egg … er, ToSY

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 15, 2014 6:26 pm

    The crews on Qantas international flights have always been a little up themselves, less so than BA crew though.

    The Qantas domestic people are better. Qantas should put some of them on long haul flights

    I blame the union imposed archaic seniority/bidding system for the malaise in service standards

  124. January 15, 2014 7:23 pm

    ” do yourself a favour and watch True Detective.”

    Cheers for the heads up.

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2014 7:30 pm

    The crews on Qantas international flights have always been a little up themselves, less so than BA crew though.

    🙄

    I blame the union imposed archaic seniority/bidding system for the malaise in service standards 🙄

    I blame poor supervision, selection, training and motivation … all management issues … when you chase dollars instead of providing service you’ll fail every time … Joyce (and too many other managers and consultants these days) just don’t get it … straight out of uni and no hands on experience actually dealling with clients/customers …

    Why do I have this feeling of deja vu …

  126. egg permalink
    January 15, 2014 7:38 pm

    ‘Shot with a tremendous attention to the rural flavor by Fukunaga, and with a literary at times script from Pizzolato, “True Detective” is potent and promising. It’s a rich drama that weighs the consequences of loss, and already suggests that the show’s tagline—”Touch darkness and darkness touches you back”—is one that will come to bear on the characters in this show.’

    I’ll pass.

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    January 15, 2014 7:44 pm

    We are at war with people smugglers and fighting the cancer of bikie gangs …

  128. January 15, 2014 8:41 pm

    I’ve been drinking a civilised amount of red tonight.

    So much so, that I’ve arrived at that comfortable position where a fuck about anything probably won’t be given.

    Just sayin’

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 15, 2014 9:51 pm

    TB I think your points are discussios about the deficiencies of past management

    It is the responsibility of the current management to overcome those deficiencies
    To do this it has to axsress the resistance of unions to reasonable reform.

    You should participate in analysis of options for the current people rather than simply wishing the past was different

  130. Walrus permalink
    January 15, 2014 10:31 pm

    “Lets Lleyton. let’s go!”

    Lleyton has a dig even if Bec looks like she’s come straight from a Tandoor oven.

    But Tomic is an arsehole.

    Same mould as Justin Beiber.

    . I thought Canadians were supposed to be polite

    I fear there are millions of total C@@ts still to come.

    Oh Tomic’s from Queensland apparently.

  131. Walrus permalink
    January 15, 2014 11:04 pm

    Apparently it’s a bit hot in Melbourne .

    Is there a reason why it’s founders didn’t settle closer to a few beaches ?

    Just curious

    It’s lovely up here in Palm Beach

    Just like any old summer

  132. Walrus permalink
    January 15, 2014 11:07 pm

    Shock news

    South Auatralia is bracing for power blackouts.

    Where are those giant wind fanny things.

    Oh there’s no wind

    Bugger

  133. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 6:32 am

    Heatwaves in Oz are caused by Rossby Waves and cyclones (eyes glaze over) ….. in other nooze.

    ‘A study published in Drug and Alcohol Dependence last month shows that alcohol intoxication not only increases aggressive offending, but also the risk of becoming a victim of a violent crime. This reflects well-founded concerns by the community, emergency services and public health experts about Australia’s binge drinking culture. Research shows that one in eight deaths of people aged under 25 is due to alcohol, with over 60 % of under 29 year-olds drinking with the specific intention to get drunk.’

  134. public toilet permalink
    January 16, 2014 7:03 am

    Fair to say that the blackouts expected in SA have far more to do with soft-centred metropolitan types all turning their aircons on than wind farms.

    45 here today…

  135. public toilet permalink
    January 16, 2014 7:05 am

    Potentially 46+ in Adelaide…

  136. Tony permalink
    January 16, 2014 7:35 am

    Rural residents in South Australia don’t use air conditioners?

  137. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 7:45 am

    Fahrenheit had a great sense of drama. That is 114.8 deg£}*{+#%,£ And maybe MORE you say T.

    Enough to fry a little Egg or even melt your blubber Walrus.

    The map of Oz looks like one of those maps illiciting terrified looks in a blockbuster-weather-turns-feral movie. We are now so red, brown and crisp that I think the old continent will curl up at the edges. We might start crackling.

    Is there any place left on earth which is not at the point of self-combustion or dripping with icicles? Maybe gentle zephyrs are still blowing in NZ. Ah but their glaciers are pouring into the sea aren’t they?

    No place to hide.

  138. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 8:14 am

    At least we can all agree that the heat in Oz has nothing to do with global warming.

  139. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 8:32 am

    No of course not Egg. Just like the geological discoveries of the 19th century that the earth was millions of years old had no bearing on a literal reading of the bible that the earth was two thousand or so years. Forgive my maths. Never a strong point.

    The inability to accept reality is common to us all.

    Human beings tell themselves all kinds of funny stuff.

    Low-brow missionaries in the 19th century thought they were lifting moral standards by herding the indigenous people’s of Australia, the Pacific and Africa into the street wear of Clapham Junction or Hoboken North.

    I have come to the conclusion that failure to accept that the actions of mankind are having an adverse effect on climate is a manifestation of personal psychology.

    There is no dealing with it. Minds have been snapped shut.

    That is the last statement issued today and perhaps for ever more on this matter.

    It is simply too hot for battle. I am being globally warmed.

  140. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 8:33 am

    That apostrophe was put there by an unseen hand.

  141. IPA permalink
    January 16, 2014 8:49 am

    It’s amusing that the same people who were at pains to point out the recent frigid temperatures in the US were merely changes in the weather, are quick to link Australian heatwaves to human-caused global warming climate change climate disruption. Where does that leave Melbourne’s 1908 heatwave, long before man-made CO2 could possibly have been having any effect?

    “After notching up two consecutive days over 40 degrees Celsius, Melbourne is on track to record its second-longest heatwave since records began in the 1830s. The temperature is expected to reach 41C today before increasing to 42C tomorrow. The longest heatwave in Melbourne was in 1908, when there were five consecutive days over 40C.”

  142. January 16, 2014 8:54 am

    “Rural residents in South Australia don’t use air conditioners?”

    This Lodge doesn’t.

    The constraint on the grid probably doesn’t originate from the insignificant number of rural residents with a/c (plenty of townies have a/c). I wonder if it has anything to do with the rather large concentration of grid constraining metropolitan marshmallows?

    Makes power monitoring volatile.

  143. January 16, 2014 9:02 am

    I already checked Bolt this morning.

    What was amusing was him (predictably) keening in his usual disgruntled tone about how The ABC were daring to suggest that there is a heatwave & mayhaps AGW was involved…while (predictably) ignoring the inconvenient truth fact that his employer’s main internet site was leading with this…

    http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/un-report-says-temperatures-in-adelaide-will-make-it-worlds-hottest-city-on-thursday/story-fnii5yv4-1226802735418?from=public_rss

    …which kinda ruins his mudslinging efforts.

    Both sources attempt to link the (fucking hot! I must say) heatwave to AGW. Bolt only gets affronted by the ABC.

    “Only other Australian cities were predicted to come close to Adelaide’s top, with Canberra expected to reach 40C, Melbourne 44C and Mt Gambier 45C.

    The prediction coincided with the release of interim findings of the Climate Council’s new report, Australian Heatwaves: Hotter, Longer, Earlier and More Often.”

  144. January 16, 2014 9:07 am

    Mt Gambier is more like an open sewer on the side of an inactive volcanic lake than a city.

  145. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 9:16 am

    The Guardian is running AAP

    ‘On the back of the extreme conditions, the recently formed Climate Council has released interim findings from its new heatwave report.

    ‘The report found the likelihood of heatwaves lingering for longer and becoming more intense was increasing as greenhouse gases continued to accumulate in the atmosphere.’

  146. IPA permalink
    January 16, 2014 9:19 am

    “The constraint on the grid probably doesn’t originate from the insignificant number of rural residents with a/c (plenty of townies have a/c). I wonder if it has anything to do with the rather large concentration of grid constraining metropolitan marshmallows?”

    A particular model air-conditioner draws the same power from the grid whether located in a city, a town, or on a farm. Its location becomes relevant, though, if you want to calculate the cost of getting the power from the generator to the user. It could be argued that a large population centre makes delivery of power to each air-conditioner there much cheaper than its delivery to single remotely located ones. So cities, in fact, save scarce power resources.

  147. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 9:34 am

    Newspaper coverage worldwide is generally down on the issue.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-global-newspaper-coverage-of-global-warming-and-climate-change/

  148. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 9:44 am

    ‘The inability to accept reality is common to us all. Human beings tell themselves all kinds of funny stuff.’

    Yes, but clearly your assertion is that the Denialati are a bunch of ignorant pissants (sic). In reality we are revolutionaries.

  149. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 9:45 am

    Hotter, longer, earlier and more often. In a nutshell.

    That is what climate change means for a continent like Australia. That is our poisoned parcel.

    I saw the figures from the 1908 heat wave. Does anyone know if that blaster came early so early in Jan? I will look it up.

  150. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 9:46 am

    Di they are making shit up.

  151. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 9:59 am

    Why?

    What is this worldwide conspiracy?

    Crackers.

    Jan 1908 heat wave in sizzled Melbourne from 15 to 20 Jan.

    Imagine enduring that in your serge suit and spats and lace-up stays for the ladies.

    The Elizabeth St creek was very highly odoured apparently. Very Elizabethan.

  152. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 10:08 am

    Yes but the fact that it happened in 1908 should be setting off alarm bells. In Sydney the hottest day was in 1939, well before global warming took off.

    There is a conspiracy of silence, which is my duty to help rectify.

  153. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 10:12 am

    Egg – of course we have had extreme weather events in the past. The scientists look at trends as you well now.

    In fact Egg I think you are having fun. I don’t think you believe any of the stuff you write. You are just winding people up.

  154. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 10:12 am

    Well know

  155. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 10:15 am

    Statements referring to your duty to rectify are a dead giveaway.

  156. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 10:16 am

    I’m hard to pick, with my global cooling meme and all. Here is an example of Double Think by Tess Parker.

    http://theconversation.com/whats-cranking-up-the-heat-across-south-eastern-australia-21216

  157. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 10:29 am

    No you are not hard to pick. You are probably a jokester.

    If you do believe all that stuff and seek your guidance from Bolt and the gang then I feel very sane indeed which is almost as troubling.

    Thanks for link.

  158. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 10:37 am

    That’s alright. I’ll leave the issue there and return to my padded cell.

  159. Walrus permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:08 am

    “The prediction coincided with the release of interim findings of the Climate Council’s new report, Australian Heatwaves: Hotter, Longer, Earlier and More Often.”

    I’ll start believing in Mathematical Climate Models once the Economists of the World get their own Mathematical Models to work

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:09 am

    “Hotter, longer, earlier and more often.”

    Yes. That is what the alarmists say every time. Then they look like dribbling idiots when they get fact-checked.

    “of course we have had extreme weather events in the past.”

    Of course, but somehow we can be certain that the less extreme events we have now are caused by CO2.

    “If you do believe all that stuff and seek your guidance from Bolt and the gang”

    Don’t you get it, egg? The tactic is to slander anyone (Spencer, Lindzen, McIntyre, News Ltd) who takes a different view or who raises inconvenient facts and then denounce everybody who looks dispassionately at those facts. It is all about shutting down debate instead of engaging in it. Ad hom is the ultimate trump card in some parallel universes.

  161. Walrus permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:11 am

    Wait a minute

    Dont some of these posts belong in a different sandpit ?

    (A large number of eyes squint as they look in the direction of Egg)

  162. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:14 am

    The difference, Wally, is that the economists are not nearly as certain that their models are correct. Climate science is so much more accurate. In fact the last IPCC report shows the scientists are more certain of their models even as they have totally failed to predict the current 15 year absence in warming.

    If economists made models and found that their predictions bore no relation to reality then, following the IPCC methodology, they could be completely certain of the efficacy of those models.

  163. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:15 am

    ‘The tactic is to slander anyone …’

    They have been very successful in doing that, but ultimately they will have to recant, which will make my victory taste even sweeter.

  164. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:15 am

    This topic is exploding all over the place (just like alarmist heads). It is too big for the sandpit.

  165. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:16 am

    ‘(A large number of eyes squint as they look in the direction of Egg)’

    LOL

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:45 am

    And in more good news!

    The insurance company has agreed to a cash settlement when we return all the jewellery to them … in fact they offered us $3000 more than we initially claimed via the Financial Ombudsman Service … only took 12 months but at least we can now get on with our lives (once the cash is back in the bank!).

    I think tonight might be a Gentleman Jack and a wee dash of soda … 😛

  167. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:46 am

    By golly SB the whole denialti seems to believe there is a left-wing plot, a world-wide conspiracy to bring down civilization as we know it.

    It is akin to thinking that NASA has a bunch of aliens locked up somewhere in orange jumpsuits or that the Pope heads the Mafia.

    Who is running this conspiracy outfit?

    Why?

    How, in this supposedly enlightened age, has scientific discussion been plundered by ideological politicians and their camp followers to be used as rhetorical debating points. Logic has been blown away by hot air.

    How is it that people without any scientific qualifications whatsoever can belittle those with such qualifications, even Nobel prize winners.

    I am reminded of those parents who refuse to have their children vaccinated because some quack has warned against it.

    I suppose this is what happens when Everyman becomes too big for his/her boots.

  168. Walrus permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:51 am

    “How is it that people without any scientific qualifications whatsoever can belittle those with such qualifications”

    And what was it Tim Flannery said about a number of dams in major Australian cities that would never again be filled ?

  169. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2014 12:03 pm

    “And what was it Tim Flannery said about a number of dams in major Australian cities that would never again be filled ?

    Yes and when in power the ALP took that advice and built a several billion dollar desal plant which is now in mothballs.

    It may come in useful one day however.

  170. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 12:04 pm

    That’s the problem Walrus.

    Science is a continuous quest. mistakes are made. Sometimes those mistakes turn out to be the solution,
    .
    Scientists solve mysteries. They do not have all the answers and sometimes they head down a blind alley.

    They are the first to say they cannot provide every answer but those waiting on the high wires with beaks dripping blood want to swoop down and peck their eyes out for every observation which is not immediately proveable.

    If you haven’t alread, have a look at the discussion on climate change between James Delingpole, journalist who read English lit at Uni and Sir Paul Nurse, Nobel prize winning geneticist who well understands the problems scientists are facing over the climate change business.

    Meanwhile Egg might like to enlighten us about the lefty world domination plot.

    That is the most interesting part of the whole debate and rarely addressed. It has the allure of the Knights Templar shebang for me. Do they have a secret handshake?

  171. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 16, 2014 12:45 pm

    “By golly SB the whole denialti seems to believe there is a left-wing plot, a world-wide conspiracy to bring down civilization as we know it.”

    Not quite. But when Stanford Professor of Climatology and IPCC lead author Stephen Schneider says:

    We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.

    do you think I should blindly accept everything these ‘scientists’ say?

    Or when IPCC Chairman Rajendra Pachauri says:

    I am not going to rest easy until I have articulated in every possible forum the need to bring about major structural changes in economic growth and development. That’s the real issue. Climate change is just a part of it.

    should I dare even think there might possibly be a wider political agenda here?

  172. January 16, 2014 12:49 pm

    That’s good news about the crown jewels TB… 🙂

  173. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 12:56 pm

    ‘Meanwhile Egg might like to enlighten us about the lefty world domination plot.’

    When the Berlin Wall came down the far left in Australia decided to infiltrate the Greens and Labor. (Julia’s memoirs will have more on this.)

    The stunning success of the Balmain Greens gave the Germans great inspiration and the rest is history.

  174. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 1:02 pm

    Interesting quotes SB

    I would like to place both in context though.

    Who is co-ordinating the ‘wider political agenda’?

    I have no trouble accepting scientific wisdom. Every day I use products and services provided by science.

    I am grateful my children do not have polio and I am in Marie Curie’s debt for dying from radium poisoning so that billions may live.

    I wish I had the brains to understand what these people do. I do not. At least I know my limitations which are considerable.

    Poor old scientists. They need to go on Dancing with the Stars!

  175. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 1:05 pm

    And the right wing folk held big tea parties.

    Yes, we are polarized.

    But Egg, who is keeping the world domination plot hatched by the left on the road? Where is head office?

    Btw how do you know what is in Julia’s book?

  176. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 1:08 pm

    PS SB – Prof Schneider shows a keen understanding about what is required for the media. Very savvy for an egghead.

    I will look him up.

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2014 1:09 pm

    sreb, just waiting for a return call so that we can arrange to return the fkn things!

    you wouldn’t believe how uptight I feel right now!

    The FOS has been very good …

  178. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 1:14 pm

    My slight reading about Prof Schneider has already placed that quote in a subtle context.

    He was speaking aloud about the difficulties scientists face in communicating the threat posed by climate change and suggested there was an unpalatable need to place the game for the greater good.

    He is dead.

  179. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 1:15 pm

    Play the game not ‘place’.

  180. IPA permalink
    January 16, 2014 1:42 pm

    “who is keeping the world domination plot hatched by the left on the road?”

    Found him!

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2014 1:48 pm

    Nah! Its all a counter plot!

  182. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 2:05 pm

    Was he on the grassy knoll IPA?

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 16, 2014 2:42 pm

    “Who is co-ordinating the ‘wider political agenda’?”

    Who said that there has to be one person co-ordinating the agenda? A particular program may be subscribed to by disparate individuals and groups who each perceive some benefit from it.

    At the end of the Wegman Report (which exposed the statistical incompetence of the Hockey Stick graph) there is an examination of how such incompetence got through peer review. Wegman looks at the way a relatively small group of connected scientists acted in lockstep co-authoring and peer reviewing each others’ papers.

    This tendency was exhibited in the efforts of Hockey Team (their own name for their clique) to get Hans von Storch sacked as editor of a scientific publication because he allowed papers which questioned the AGW orthodoxy to be published. Australian climate ‘scientist’ Tom Wigley said:

    I do not know the best way to handle the specifics of the editoring. Hans Von Storch is partly to blame—he encourages the publication of crap science ‘in order to stimulate debate’. One approach is to go direct to the publishers ….. Mike’s idea to get editorial board members to resign will probably not work—must get rid of von Storch too, otherwise holes will eventually fill up with people like Legates, Balling, Lindzen, Michaels, Singer, etc. I have heard that the publishers are not happy with von Storch, so the above approach might remove that hurdle too.” – Tom Wigley

    Obviously stimulating the debate is antithetical to science, or maybe Wigley was just “playing the game”. Von Storch is a warmist. The difference between him and the Hockey Team is that he is also a scientist.

    In fact many scientists who disagree with AGW have been subject to (sometimes successful) attempts to undermine their position and status.

    The scientific approach to debate is not to try to get scientists who disagree with you sacked, but to write a paper refuting them.

    Shutting down debate is the MO for many alarmists. Michael T. Eckhart, president of the American Council on Renewable Energy (ACORE) sent a note to Marlo Lewis, senior fellow of the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) stating:

    It is my intention to destroy your career as a liar. If you produce one more editorial against climate change, I will launch a campaign against your professional integrity. I will call you a liar and charlatan to the Harvard community of which you and I are members. I will call you out as a man who has been bought by Corporate America. Go ahead, guy. Take me on.

    The alarmist prescriptions for action on Global Warming involve taxes and centralised international governance and other measures which support the Green left political view of the world, so it is no surprise that they are keen to climb on board the bandwagon.

    Academics see the benefit of getting on board as the more radical their claims, the more celebrity they enjoy. More to the point, massive amounts are channeled into
    AGW research and it easier to get funding for that type of research. On the other hand, publishing stuff the Hockey Team doesn’t like can be career limiting.

    Popularisers like Al Gore have also made a heap out of promoting AGW, even though his presentation is filled with hysterical nonsense. He also set up a company selling carbon credits. The Australian academic who was recently frozen-in in Antarctica also had a company to sell carbon mitigation products.

    Australian companies also do well with government subsidies for green schemes. Flannery holds shares in at least in one of them.

    Politicians of course are always trying to scare voters into believing that they are saviours. Politicans of a leftist persuasion love the thought of additional taxes and a greater role for government.

    There is moral hazard all over the place in this debate and it is reckless to ignore it.

    Finally, the IPCC is a political organisation created with a specific agenda. The reputations and careers of its leadership depend on it pushing the alarmist message.

    Climate alarmism is absolutely fascinating to anyone with a passing interest in the history and philosophy of science. That will be its most significant legacy.

  184. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 3:03 pm

    Yep, couldn’t have said it better myself.

  185. Walrus permalink
    January 16, 2014 4:18 pm

    “Who is co-ordinating the ‘wider political agenda’?”

    If you were in a partnership with a whole lot of other Nations, lets say an economic partnership, let’s give it a fictitous name…………like………….Ummmmm……………lets call it the EU………………and you realised your group was at a severe economic disadvantage due to the absence of cheap and plentiful fossil fuels how would you rid yourself of this problem.

    Well you dont…………..you scare the shit out those with cheap and plentiful fossil fuels that they are destroying the World by using them and that they must switch to the energy sources you have to rely upon

    You start that process by concentrating on the young and naive and work your way through the populations until you also convince the older and naive

  186. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 4:21 pm

    Thankyou for your thought provoking piece SB.

    I am sure all kinds of agendas are at work over this issue but I remain convinced that the climate is changing and that people are contributing.

    It is one thing to call up 1908 as an example of days of sky high temps in Melbourne but another when one can see there is a clear trend for Herr Von Fahrenheit or Cecilie Celsius to flip us all on the griddle with increasing frequency.

    Weather events cease being extreme and become the new norm. I think that has been established.

    May I remind you all that I am the recipient of the prestigious Gt Ms Rationality Award 2013.

    Egg is think you won an award too. Mmm what was that for?

    Listen up for I am the Voice of Reason. Hear me Roar.

  187. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 4:25 pm

    Except coal is still primary source of electricity in powerhouse Germany.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2014 4:25 pm

    Oh gawd here come the 3,000 word essays …

  189. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 4:25 pm

    Above was directed at Walter.

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2014 4:28 pm

    Rang the insurance company just before mid-day … I’m still waiting for the return call … Sore losers? Incompetent? Dumb? Or all three?

  191. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 5:24 pm

    With footnotes TB?

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 16, 2014 6:27 pm

    Self interest means people (even ones that are scientists) will look for ways to secure the funding that justifies their employment.

  193. January 16, 2014 6:49 pm

    Wise words ToM.

  194. Dianne permalink
    January 16, 2014 6:56 pm

    People are motivated by all sorts of things, some hidden, some clear for all to see.

    I have more faith in the stats.

    Australian Bureau of Stats makes interesting reading on temp increases in Oz since 1950.

  195. January 16, 2014 7:09 pm

    Hmmmm…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_South_Australia_by_population

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_australia#Demographics

    “Population[edit]

    See also: List of cities in South Australia by population

    A majority of the state’s population lives within Greater Adelaide’s metropolitan area which had an estimated population of 1,262,940 in 2011 (77.1% of the state). Other significant population centres include Mount Gambier (28,313), Whyalla (22,489), Murray Bridge (17,152), Port Lincoln (15,682), Port Pirie (14,281), Port Augusta (14,196), and Victor Harbor (13,671). [28]”

    Sooooo, as of 2011, almost 80% of the state’s energy consuming population lives within Greater Adelaide’s metropolitan area. Therefore it’s definitely not the rural population putting constraint on the grid when all of the jellybacks turn on their a/c’s at once.

    The things I could tell you, if not bound by confidentiality clauses.

  196. January 16, 2014 7:11 pm

    The right is just as prone to seeing leftist conspiracies as the left is to seeing Murdoch conspiracies.

    It’s confirmation bias, in both instances.

  197. January 16, 2014 7:12 pm

    Sleeping off nightshift today was ‘challenging’.

    30c inside at the moment…

  198. January 16, 2014 7:24 pm

    Consider yourself lucky boss, when I drove home it was 43…

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 16, 2014 7:36 pm

    It’s hot on the coast, too hot for red, and there’s no surf.

    I’ve had to read books and drink…beer. Some relaxation.

  200. January 16, 2014 7:40 pm

    Let the record show that ToM has admitted to drinking “beer”..

    XXXX no doubt too.

  201. January 16, 2014 7:42 pm

    It’s been 44 here today, it’s still 36 outside now @ 19:05 SA time.

    It’s just 30c inside my house at the moment. Pretty acclimated to it after the last several days though. 🙂

    Heading for around 40c again tomorrow.

    Usually it would cool down a bit here overnight & mitigate the extreme temperature of the following day…but not this time. 😦

    I’m actually glad I’m on nightshift at the moment…that doesn’t happen very often. 😯

  202. January 16, 2014 7:43 pm

    Being a parochial Victorian, he’s probably swilling VB.

    I know a few examples of that abbreviation which aren’t suitable for publication here.

  203. January 16, 2014 7:46 pm

    Not much surf here at the moment either, TomM.

    I get 10 days off from Saturday morning & the cool change will be through. Have been waiting a month to go & live on the coast for a protracted period. Unfortunately, the change looks set to bring onshore winds & little swell in the near future.
    Hopefully that will change while we’re in residence.

  204. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 7:47 pm

    ‘Self interest means people (even ones that are scientists) will look for ways to secure the funding that justifies their employment.’

    That’s true, but more accurately its enlightened self interest. The problem I have with the cabal is that their deceit is costing the hapless taxpayers big time, the mothballed desalination plants come to mind.

    There was no due diligence.

  205. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 16, 2014 8:02 pm

    I’m drinking some European beer, it’s wasted on me. It only tastes like beer. But the view over the coast is nice

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2014 8:50 pm

    No return call … bunch of wankers … anyway I’ve won the war … I’ll give them till midday tomorrow … and if necessary whizz off an email to the FOS …

  207. Walrus permalink
    January 16, 2014 10:11 pm

    “Except coal is still primary source of electricity in powerhouse Germany.”

    Yes and they have no competitive advantage in energy as they have almost the highest prices in Europe.

  208. January 16, 2014 11:58 pm

    Dumpty, week long blizzards in the South-East have buried Adelaide, Hobart, Melbourne and Canberra in meters of snow. All cities have large flocks of penguins circling them.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-14/south-east-australia-sizzles-as-heatwave-takes-hold/5199714

  209. January 17, 2014 12:07 am

    ”””””””””’The things I could tell you, if not bound by confidentiality clauses””””””’
    doing a little consumer gouging via enron style spot-fixing and supply wind-back huh.?

  210. egg permalink
    January 17, 2014 7:36 am

    ‘Yes and they have no competitive advantage in energy as they have almost the highest prices in Europe.’

    You would think they would at least import clean black coal from Oz, but no they are using dirty brown coal from down the road. Where’s the morality in this?

  211. January 17, 2014 9:37 am

    15 Things You Didn’t Know About Outer Space In One Image…

    http://www.facts.fm/outerspace/

  212. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 10:29 am

    Actually there are coal mines in France, Spain, Belguim, the Czech Republic, Romania and the Netherlands. Surely the last isn’t correct.

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 10:52 am

    Finally got a phone call from the insurance company … they’ll deposit the money into our bank account and could we mail – 😯 – the jewellery to them, please?

    Nearly done … 🙄 12 months of fkn madness …

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 10:52 am

    Dianne there are coal mines in the UK … but no-one works them …

  215. Walrus permalink
    January 17, 2014 11:19 am

    “…….could we mail – 😯 – the jewellery to them, please?”

    Make sure you insure it and get it signed for at the other end with the confirmation of delivery sent back to you. Perhaps some sort of Aust Post Registered Mail for parcels where someone has to go to the post office and sign for it over the counter

    And take photos of it

  216. Walrus permalink
    January 17, 2014 11:20 am

    Yes…………………..but are they cheap to mine or just the usual heavily subsidised crap that the EU has turned into an art form

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 12:05 pm

    Thanks, Wally … check for all your suggestions … in fact I’ve just sent an email saying I’ll deliver to the city personally … AP insurance max is $5000 … I’m sure this mob is the most incompetent I’ve come across!

    Another quastion for you and sreb, is the jewellery any good where we’re going on our trip?

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 12:06 pm

    PS a quastion is like a question but requires a far more sophiticated answer … 🙂

  219. Walrus permalink
    January 17, 2014 12:22 pm

    The Jewellery in VN is of varying quality. From memory they have government approved shops where the stuff is genuine. Your tour guide will usually help you there. A friend of ours bought a $1500 gold and diamond necklace from a gigantic market/roadhouse (stopped at for lunch) set up which had a government approved jeweler in it and Mrs Walrus bought a gold and sapphire neckless plus earings. I think that was $700. Its the labour content you save on /exploit 🙂

    The roadhouses not only have a cafeteria for lunch but also serve as a market place for all sorts of stuff like silk and carvings etc.

    Cant say I saw any jewellers I’d recommend in the jungle of Cambodia.

  220. egg permalink
    January 17, 2014 12:26 pm

    Reb they left out this recent discovery.

    ‘Astronomers using Nasa data have calculated for the first time that in our galaxy alone, there are at least 8.8 billion stars with Earth-size planets in the habitable temperature zone.

    ‘The study was published Monday in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.’

  221. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 12:38 pm

    Tb – you are quite right of course. Mines closed in France and Belguim too.

  222. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 12:40 pm

    “Cant say I saw any jewellers I’d recommend in the jungle of Cambodia.”

    LOL! Thanks for the info … obviously we have to rejewel ourselves now … 🙄 … easy for me just a couple of rings …

  223. Walrus permalink
    January 17, 2014 11:15 pm

    TB

    Whatever you do don’t forget aerogard. Roll on is best to pack. You won’t see it over there or any repellant that’s actually effective

  224. January 20, 2014 8:39 pm

    abc1, stephen fry is taking on the phobes around the world,
    on `out there`

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 20, 2014 10:17 pm

    Being a sports fan, I’m looking forward to the quarter finals! One of the games tomorrow looks like it should be worth watching!

    Ana Ivanovic vs Eugenie Bouchard

  226. January 20, 2014 10:33 pm

    `out there` part-2 8.30 next monday,
    stephen fry heckles Vlads phobes, on my abc1

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