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Australian Navy Opens Fire on Asylum Seekers

January 16, 2014
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Tony Abbott gets “hands on” in war against asylum seekers

Fairfax media reports that an Australian vessel “shot into the air” during the interception of a boat full of asylum seekers within sight of Christmas Island.

The asylum boat was reportedly then forced to return to Indonesia, in what would be the third time the Navy has reportedly forced a boat back in the past month.

However Scott “Operational Matters” Morrison has said that there is no evidence to support the reports.

“Without commenting on any specific alleged incident I can confirm that no shots have been fired at any time by any persons involved in Operation Sovereign Borders at any time since the operation commenced,” he said in a statement.

Labor frontbencher Chris Bowen has called on Mr Morrison to address the claims, saying the “Australian people deserve to know what’s going on here”.

“And let me be very, very clear about this, there is absolutely no operational reason or imperative for the minister not to be providing these sorts of updates,” he said

Mr Morrison yesterday revealed he will no longer hold weekly media conferences about border protection operations.

Labor and the Greens have repeatedly criticised the silence on border protection matters, with Anthony Albanese likening the Government to a “Stalinist regime”.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott, however, has said he is happy to be criticised for the “closed book” approach if it means stopping asylum seeker boats.

Meanwhile Indonesia’s foreign minister Marty Natalegawa said Australia could potentially be facilitating the movement of asylum seekers.

Dr Natalegawa was responding to the Federal Government’s admission that lifeboats have been bought – reportedly to send asylum seekers back to Indonesia.

“Developments of the type that has been reported in the media, namely the facilitation by way of boats, this is the kind of slippery slope that we have identified in the past,” he said.

“Where will this lead to?”

Indonesia considers that many asylum seekers are illegally using the country as a staging point to get to Australia, and objects to them being returned.

Dr Natalegawa has indicated that if Australia is actively helping asylum seekers get back to Indonesia, that is worse.

“It’s one thing to turn back the actual boats on which they have been travelling but another issue, when they are transferred onto another boat and facilitated and told to go in that direction,” he said.

Dr Natalegawa would not say what action his government would take.

He says with a slow and steady approach, the relationship can be returned to normal and he says the focus on asylum seekers is “unhelpful”.

“To be zeroing in on issues that, in a manner that tends to divide, is not helpful,” he said

Yesterday Lieutenant General Angus Campbell, the commander of Operation Sovereign Borders, would not confirm or deny reports the lifeboats would be used to send asylum seekers back to Indonesia.

“We’ve acquired them to be part of the range of measures that we have at play,” he told a media briefing yesterday.

“Clearly a lifeboat, it’s involved potentially in those on-water activities that we don’t discuss and so I’m not going to go further in that space.”

 

 

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53 Comments leave one →
  1. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:23 am

    Looks like the government’s policy might actually be working. Hence the unhinged screeching.

    If the government actually gets back to a situation where there are no more boat people coming, no one in detention and a lot more refugees (who don’t have the tens of thousands dollars to fly to Indonesia and pay people smugglers) being taken in from UN camps in dangerous areas Labor and the Greens will go nuts and once again demand policies which will lead to thousands drowning. Leftists are like that.

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:39 am

    If there is no information forthcoming from a legally elected democratic government in peacetime then people will make stuff up … and it may or may not be true, however, as the Liberals should know by now, having some, not inconsiderable, expertise in the area … throw enough shite and some will stick … and this sort of shite sticks till election time …

    Just sayin’ …

  3. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:51 am

    Come election time the government will be judged by whether or not they have managed to substantially reduce this grisly trade. That is exactly what the ALP is shit scared of.

  4. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2014 12:01 pm

    Anyway what are they going to talk about?? Apparently there has not been a boat for the last 3 weeks.

    Let us hope we get back to what we used to do- talking people from UNHCR camps instead of selling our humanitarian places to the highest bidder.

    Lets us hope ALP supporters do not play politics with asylum seekers.

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2014 12:19 pm

    Apparently there has not been a boat for the last 3 weeks.

    How would you know? 😯

  6. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2014 12:42 pm

    Because the govt told us

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/20755224/govt-boasts-80-drop-in-boat-arrivals/

    “Immigration Minister Scott Morrison on Wednesday said boat arrivals had fallen by more than 80 per cent since operations started.

    He added that there had been no arrivals transferred to immigration authorities for more than three weeks,”

  7. IPA permalink
    January 16, 2014 12:46 pm

    “He added that there had been no arrivals transferred to immigration authorities for more than three weeks”

    That’s because the Peeple Smugglerz are on Christmas holidays.

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2014 1:12 pm

    That’s because the Peeple Smugglerz are on Christmas holidays.

    LOL!

    FYI, Kneel, Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world … get it?

    Clever stuff, ToSY! 😉

  9. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 16, 2014 1:52 pm

    Do you think Tony is that clever??

  10. egg permalink
    January 16, 2014 2:01 pm

    IPA is subtle and effective.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    January 16, 2014 2:11 pm

    Do you think Tony is that clever??

    I certainly do … I’ve riposted with ToSY for a few years now … not only clever but funny …

    … but then I love sarcasm, irony, satire and puns …

  12. January 16, 2014 3:11 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3925614.htm

    Hand up who trusts Morrison? Anyone? Where the bloody hell are you?

  13. January 16, 2014 4:46 pm

  14. January 16, 2014 7:18 pm

    Asylum seekers aside, what if they apply the cone of silence to all aspects of their governance?

    I’d have thought choking of information to the public was contrary to the nature of informed democracy.

    I guess it depends upon who’s in power.

  15. January 16, 2014 7:19 pm

    Not to mention the searing hypocrisy of the current government compared to its daily frenzies about asylum seekers all the while they were in Opposition.

  16. January 16, 2014 7:26 pm

    We’ve always been at war with East Asia.

  17. January 16, 2014 7:35 pm

    Precisely!

  18. KLAN GIRL permalink
    January 16, 2014 11:06 pm

    So here you buch of losing fucking arsehole are. I bet you thought me your moral compass was lost to you forever

    Well no such luck you commie slime. I hope you stupid Aussies are not paying for that scummy Aussie jihad jane to be brought home after she was turned into Swiss cheese in a house in Syria.

    You should see the UK. Fucking sharia law will be next. But maybe the polish hordes and Muslim hordes will just exterminate EACh other. Fucking mosque things every corner. All our pubs are being attacked.

    All fed by Muslim hordes let in by our last commie government

    But you apathetic scum dont care anyway.

    Anyway until next time arseholes

  19. January 16, 2014 11:32 pm

    ””””Do you think Tony is that clever??””’
    Mr-Rabbit out-smarts his lock-steppers.

  20. January 17, 2014 9:38 am

    Breaking Nooze:

    Scott Morrison says Australian border protection assets “inadvertently entered Indonesian territorial waters on several occasions”.

  21. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 9:53 am

    Just watched him for a sec. How could anyone trust anyone who says we will ‘continue to dialogue’ with Indonesia instead of ‘talk with’.

    They just string convolutions together in any order to answer any question.

  22. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 10:00 am

    I can’t look at any lib/lab politician without thinking of those little kids baking in Nauru and on Manus.

  23. January 17, 2014 10:26 am

    That’s interesting…Our government is actually aiding smugglers!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2526707/Judge-claims-U-S-Department-Homeland-Security-delivering-smuggled-children-illegal-immigrant-parents.html

    Just count yourselves lucky you don’t share a land border with millions of economic migrants aka asylum seekers…

  24. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 10:30 am

    Yes.mwe are providing the smugglers with water tight boats. We seem to be in the business.

  25. January 17, 2014 10:42 am

    Morrison neglected to mention that the “inadvertent straying” happened on several occasions on different days…

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 10:45 am

    I’d forgotten all about KG … 🙄

  27. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 17, 2014 10:52 am

    “I can’t look at any lib/lab politician without thinking of those little kids baking in Nauru and on Manus.

    It was the Australian Labor Party who did the locking up and the people who voted for them way back in 2007, which means you.

    In 2007 there were only 5 or 6 boat people in detention and that would have been because they could not get a security clearance for some reason.

    By the way does any leftoid want to put a number of how many refugees we should take?? There are 40 million of them. Should we take them all???

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 10:58 am

    Should we take them all???

    It may surprise you, Kneel, but not all of them want to come here … however those that do should be treated with dignity …

    The “solution” that Howard introduced could not work now … in fact it would have been challenged legally years ago … this has been explained to you ….

    It has also been explained and demonstrated statistically that at least 90% of people who arrive by boat are actually asylum seekers/refugees and have an entitlemnet to stay …

    Visa overstayers ie illegal immigrants come primariily by plane … shall I give you statistics for the fourth time? They haven’t changed!

    What do you think about Morrison directing the RAN to enter Indonesian waters illegally?

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 17, 2014 11:07 am

    ” however those that do should be treated with dignity …”

    I don’t think you answered the question. Or maybe you did. I think you are saying we should take any who come.

    based on the numbers just before the election that is 40,000/year and rapidly increasing.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/foreign-affairs-minister-bob-carr-warns-of-new-breed-of-asylum-seeker-driven-by-economic-factors/story-fnihsrf2-1226679860563

    “”The nature of the challenge has changed for us,” he said. “It’s no longer a tiny number, it’s 3000 or more a month – that’s 40,000 a year – it could go higher, and that’s 20 per cent of the Australian migrant intake.

    “And I just think people with humanitarian instincts, we’ve got to start thinking about fresh answers on this because if it can be 40,000 a year without a major upset in the region … then that 50,000 a year, 40,000 a year could very easily double.”

    If you think we should take all who come by boat it will mean there will be no refugees from Africa any more. Or anywhere else. Refugees will have to hoof it to Indonesia to have a chance of getting here.

  30. January 17, 2014 11:08 am

    “I can’t look at any lib/lab politician without thinking of those little kids baking in Nauru and on Manus”

    Yes…Their parents bear no responsibility of course…It is those trying to uphold your laws…Give me a break…

  31. January 17, 2014 11:54 am

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said……

    #crickets

  32. egg permalink
    January 17, 2014 12:14 pm

    ‘I’d forgotten all about KG …’

    Yeah, she’s been busy flying cargo. apparently.

  33. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 12:33 pm

    It is pointless arguing about a matter I see as right or wrong. Clearly.

    Not left or right but right or wrong.

    I think people get so angry because they know in their hearts that locking a small child in a hell hole is a particularly nasty thing to do.

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 12:41 pm

    “Not left or right but right or wrong.”

    Hear! Hear!

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 17, 2014 2:20 pm

    “I think people get so angry because they know in their hearts that locking a small child in a hell hole is a particularly nasty thing to do.

    And the ALP has the record for the most people locked up, kids included. Howard had no kids locked up in 2007.

    And Dianne this happened because you voted for Kevin Rudd in 2007

  36. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 2:39 pm

    I make no distinction.

  37. January 17, 2014 3:22 pm
  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 17, 2014 3:38 pm

    I make a distinction. The Coalitions policies were much more humane and fair. Under Labor you could buy your way in and refugees from Africa and South America would have to travel to Indonesia to have any chance of getting in.

    By the way TB, you still have not put a number on the refugees we should take if they all show up. Just the cop out that all 40 million refugees would not want to come here.

    If you think we should be taking anybody who shows up just say so. Bob Carr in the link i gave said the numbers were running at 40,000 per year and could easily double if nothing was done.

  39. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 3:59 pm

    I am not surprised you make a distinction Neil.

  40. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 17, 2014 4:05 pm

    And i am not surprised you don’t make a distinction. Trying to blame the Coalition for something created by Labor.

  41. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 4:10 pm

    I think they compete with each other to demonstrate how tough they can be.

    They are playing to an appreciative audience.

    Hiss. Boo. From the stalls.

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 4:14 pm

    Kneel, it is not a political football … go and play your game somewhere else …

  43. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 17, 2014 5:09 pm

    “They are playing to an appreciative audience.

    O.K. i will ask you the same question i asked TB. How many refugees do you think we should take??

    It is nice be go all lovey dovy and say we should take who comes. But what if 40 million come??

    If you say we should take them that is a valid answer.

  44. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 5:23 pm

    I don’t think 40 million would come.

    The Brits have been in a lather about Romanians coming to England when EU restrictions were lifted. The Daily Mail has been in a frenzy about hordes arriving from Day 1. There have been no hordes.

    People don’t leave their homeland without good reason.

    I think those brave enough to do so would be excellent people to have here.

    That said, we need to have a proper debate about asylum seekers in a bi-partisan manner.

    It is barbaric to make examples of suffering people and little children.

    Let me ask you a question Neil.

    Would you like to see any child close to you stuck on a baking quarry on Nauru with absolutely no hope?

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 17, 2014 5:47 pm

    “People don’t leave their homeland without good reason.”

    Yep. But our humanitarian places are for refugees not for people who do not like where they live.

    The US has 15 million Mexicans living illegally. And i understand completely. If I was living in a Mexican slum i most probably would illegally cross the border and clean toilets in California.

    We have had millions of people migrate here for a better life. Millions of POMS for example. Most British people came here for a better life and we have immigration programs for people who want to do that.

    Our humanitarian places are for refugees and should not be up for sale like they were under Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for these awful people.

  46. egg permalink
    January 17, 2014 5:52 pm

    ‘People don’t leave their homeland without good reason.’

    That’s why we should expect increasing migration from Britain as the place becomes swamped with eastern Europeans. There are 800 Poles in UK gaols which they can’t deport because Poland says they have no room for them.

    The other thing speeding up migration will be climate change.

  47. Dianne permalink
    January 17, 2014 6:01 pm

    And so you would Neil and you would be an excellent cleaner.

    But the Iraqis and Hazaras are fleeing death itself.

    What about the question I asked you about any child dear to self?

    I do so to remind you that the govt faces terrible choices but nothing is served by treating vulnerable, traumatized people so cruelly.

    Take the politics out of the whole asylum seeker horror. Let us be civilized.

    Egg – I don’t know about Poles in prison but I know they are regarded as fantastic workers and that a lot have gone home.

    Maybe the English lock up too many people as we do.

    Did you know the Netherlands have just shut two or three prisons. Not enough people to lock up.

  48. January 17, 2014 6:14 pm

    Dear Mr Morrison and the Australian Navy. I found this on The Googles. You’re welcome …

  49. egg permalink
    January 17, 2014 7:05 pm

    ‘Not enough people to lock up.’

    Yep, if it works we should adopt it.

    http://www.therichest.com/expensive-lifestyle/location/netherlands-shuts-down-prisons-due-to-lack-of-criminals/

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 17, 2014 7:59 pm

    But the Iraqis and Hazaras are fleeing death itself.”

    You still haven’t answered the question about how many we should take. And if they have made it to Indonesia they have safe haven. They are not fleeing death if they have made it to Indonesia.

    Under Howard we took our refugees from UNHCR camps. Under Rudd/Gillard we took anybody with $10,000 and refugees from UNHCR camps can get stuffed.

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 7:59 pm

    The RAN is one of the best in the world … the only reason they would enter Indonesian waters would be if they were ordered to do so … guess who would do that?

  52. TB Queensland permalink
    January 17, 2014 8:03 pm

    Have you ever sailed across the Indian Ocean, Kneel?

    No-one answers your childish questions because you won’t believe the truth anyway … I’ve tried before … let’s have another go … this is from News Ltd – read it!

    http://www.news.com.au/world/ten-myths-around-asylum-seekers-arriving-on-boats-in-australian-waters/story-fndir2ev-1226676024840

  53. January 19, 2014 12:52 am

    just watched `secrets of war` episode on TV,
    it was on `teh-usa air-power in Vietnam`,

    the closing blurb,

    ”””””””’despite its air-power, america could never over-come Vietnam`s 2000 years of fighting off invaders””””””””

    #sounds.familiar
    #still.not.learning

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