Tony Abbott Internationally Ridiculed over “Goodies and Baddies” Speech
The bloody war in Syria has been called a case of “goodies” versus “baddies” by Australia’s Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
As world leaders gathered in Switzerland to try to find a solution to the complex mess, Tony Abbott gave his take on the situation.
“The difficulty in Syria is that – as I famously, perhaps infamously said during the election campaign – it often seems like a case that involves baddies versus baddies” he said.
“I guess the best way for all of them to demonstrate that at least some of them are goodies is to lay down their arms and try to ensure that the conflict… starts to subside.”
Last time Abbott invoked the analogy he was lampooned as being the “John Wayne school of international relations” by political opponent Kevin Rudd.
Over 100,000 Syrians been killed in the dispute between the goodies and baddies.
theguttertrash.com 
I thought that Australians had seen the last of the ‘cultural cringe’ with the election of the Whitlam government but nooo, here it comes roaring back.
The only thing that Abbott has a firm grasp on is his dick!
Go “GOODIES”!!
Boo “Baddies”
Baddies and Baddies is appropriate in this case, that’s why the international community sits on its hands.
A pox on both their houses.
I met Bill Oddie, one lunch time in London at Friday’s, in 1997, we’d just landed and he was at the next tabel … I introduced myself as a fan … had a relly nice chat for about ten minutes …
And ee, by gum tha’s ‘it ‘ead on’t nail thur, lad …
The only thing that Abbott has a firm grasp on is his dick!
So the goodies (who are they, BTW) put their weapons down and the baddies will shoot the shit out of them … what a clever strategy … 🙄
Goodies sound nice, they’re our friends. They like our freedoms.
Baddies are not like that. It’s a big difference, and Abbott is wise to draw this to our attention.
That’s a good point ToM.
I hadn’t thought of that before.
Complicated foreign affairs matters are best explained by experts, like me and Tony.
Here’s a tip that I am willing to pass on. We can identify “goodies” as good, because it contains the word “good”
Tony Abbott, managed a cement factory, it hardened his brain, He managed George Pell, it softened his arse, he’s a soft cock chutney churning tyke tool that can hardly manage his shoe laces much less the country. There’s now two types of Australians, those zombie morons that voted for this intellectual lightweight Clayton’s cowboy and the rest of us real people with a brain who can think for ourselves. Notice all the Tony Abbott is great, Liberals are fantastic better than Labor divisional bullshit has stopped now the dust has settled and the zombies have come to patently obvious revelation they have elected a prime set of A grade purse carrying Nongs into government? Fucking imbecilic goose steppin twits deserve the unlubricated rogering they are about to receive.
Civil wars are messy affairs, the American civil war was atrocious and the rest of the world watched the bloodbath from the sidelines.
Men, women and children fleeing the carnage in Syria are being set up in camps outside the country, until the fighting ends, probably years from now. This is unfortunate for the refugees, but there is little we can do when all the combatants are evil bastards.
When the fighting eventually ends the victor may need a good lawyer, standing court for inhumane behaviour.
all the combatants are evil bastards.
You have evidence for this sweeping statement? I would assume that, from an Indonesians point of view, after our military has had several incursions into their sovereign territory, that all Australians are “Evil Bastards”
Purely as a generalization mind you.
‘You have evidence for this sweeping statement?’
Yes.
Care to share it?
I’m assuming the moderates will lose.
‘…divisions among the rebels (which broke out in December into bitter fighting between relatively moderate factions and the most extreme jihadists, leaving around 1,000 dead so far), has convinced Mr Assad that he can grind down his enemies into a terrorist rump.’
The Economist
Is that supposed to be some kind of evidence to your sweeping claim egg? One side saying things about the other? Or is it just more grist for the mill of random yet pointless snippets you post?
Do try and use your intuitive intellect.
Do try and use your intuitive intellect.
Why not just provide some evidence fro your rather childish statement, instead of just making more?
You claimed that “all the combatants are evil bastards. ”
Now, the upper echelon of both sides might not be what some tools refer to as “Goodies”, but I would say that many of the “foot soldiers” are fighting wither to protect the country they love, or to free the country they love.
Your sweeping statement is quite sickening, and belittles the conflict, just as Tony Abbotts comments have done
“Your sweeping statement is quite sickening, and belittles the conflict, just as Tony Abbotts comments have done”
HEAR HEAR!
Assuming the moderate faction is defeated do you think the west should provide superior weaponry to the extreme Jihadists?
You may call them freedom fighters against a tyrant, which is true, but it would be a huge mistake to back them in a regional conflict.
Remember the Russian excursion into Afghanistan was defeated by superior weapons from the US, creating a vacuum which the Taliban exploited.
With Russia and Iran supporting Assad, the West can legitimately do nothing.
“I would say that many of the “foot soldiers” are fighting wither to protect the country they love, or to free the country they love.”
Given the means employed by both sides it seems that love of country serves as a justification for all manner of atrocities.
The Australians who went over there to join the slaughter seemed to be motivated by their perverted religious beliefs than anything else.
HEAR HEAR!
Thank You reb
Sorry, but it is amazing that these kinds of things are said and allowed to perpetrated without calling them for what they are, rancid bullshit
The way Tony Abbott says this, and the press wimply parse it through as “reporting” without breaking it down is a total failure on hteir behalf. They are enabling this belittling of the situation. The same can be said of the term “Illegal”, and the way they applied the “Carbon Tax” argument. They both cheapen AND bias the conversation before the conversation even takes place.
I don’t remember the exact wording, but hte army officer from those rape(?) cases who said wtte “The standard you walk past is the standard you accept” could be applied equally to this. By allowing Tony Abbott to say something as offensive as “baddies vs baddies” without challenging AND correcting him, shows a an acceptance from our media that they support his statement.
The conflict in Syria, as with the Asylum Seeker issue, is messy and dirty enough without us weighing it down with prejudice and cynicism.
Assuming the moderate faction is defeated do you think the west should provide superior weaponry to the extreme Jihadists?
Who said anything about that. You made a statement that you could not support.
But, for the record, I’m not in favour of weaponry being “supplied” pretty much anywhere. If however, whoever wins were to buy weaponry in the same manner other nations do on the open market, do you have an issue with that? Or should they be treated differently due to (race? colour? religion?)
David Cameron:
Barack Obama:
Given the means employed by both sides it seems that love of country serves as a justification for all manner of atrocities.
The same could be said of the American Civil war, as mentioned above.
Were “all the combatants are evil bastards. ”?
I’m not defending anything that is happening in Syria. To be honest, I’m not all that aware of the history or trigger behind the current situation.
I do know when it simplified down to “They are all Baddies” then that is WRONG. There are always colours of grey, even some white, in amongst these issues.
Currently, our PM is making George junior look like a soaring intellect. It is not only embarrassing, but quite damaging in the long term.
Fairly (totally) irrelevant quotes (with no context) there Splatterbottom.
Did any of them have blanket remarks about everyone being baddies? Thought not.No, they wer specific, from what can be determined from what was said.
No Tony is a great intellect everybody knows baddies black goodies white… 🙄
http://s123.photobucket.com/user/rickypann/slideshow/Baddies
There is not much wrong with the substance of Abbott’s comment. He is just a politician getting a simple and obvious point across in everyday language in a radio interview. There is no way he could deal with the full complexity of the situation in a soundbite.
His comment is, in fact, a slap in the chops for idiots like Obama who, by choosing sides, did so much to arm the slafists and foment the slaughter.
“I do know when it simplified down to “They are all Baddies” then that is WRONG. “
But you are the one doing the simplifying here. Abbott actually said: “it often seems like a case that involves baddies versus baddies”. You, in your partisan desperation, had to lie about what Abbott said to score your cheap and trivial point.
‘You made a statement that you could not support.’
…there is little we can do when all the combatants are evil bastards.
I stand by it.
There is no way he could deal with the full complexity of the situation in a soundbite.
Has he dealt with the “full complexity of the situation ” ANYWHERE?
No, all he has is soundbites, and ,cheapening the conflict to a “spoundbite” just, well, cheapens it. especially when it is an inflammatory and probably totally incorrect portrayal of the situation
We should expect far more from our political leaders than inflammatory soundbites. We need perception and succinctness certainly, but not puerile brain farts.
idiots like Obama who, by choosing sides, did so much to arm the slafists and foment the slaughter.
I’m not aware of what Obama has done, are you able to provide some “context” for me?
“There is not much wrong with the substance of Abbott’s comment.”
There was “substance…??”
I stand by it.
Of course you do, as there is no evidence, it is perfect for you.
I have just googled, and apparently Obama supplied some weapons to the rebels.
I don’t support that.
But, of course, that now means that it is a conflict between baddies vs baddies and baddies?
Is that the “substance”?
‘I do know when it simplified down to “They are all Baddies” then that is WRONG. There are always colours of grey, even some white, in amongst these issues.’
The rebels are dog botherers of the abysmal kind and not to be trusted, unless of course Allah wills that the moderates triumph. We could then supply them with a drone to take out Assad with little collateral damage, except for putting Putin’s nose out of joint.
‘Of course you do, as there is no evidence, it is perfect for you.’
😉
The rebels are dog botherers
So is our current Government
“But, of course, that now means that it is a conflict between baddies vs baddies and baddies?”
No, silly. This is a conflict between baddies vs baddies because on the one hand you have various jihad terrorist groups and on the other a tyrannical regime which used chemical weapons on its own people.
Substance abuse more like 🙄
This is a conflict between baddies vs baddies
So, which is the Americans?
Forget the US for now, Putin is flexing his muscles. He’s a bad bastard defending a mass murderer in some petty strategic game.
on the one hand you have various jihad terrorist groups and on the other a tyrannical regime
And this is where dumb “soundbites” lets us all down. From this site, it appears that these “various jihad terrorist groups” you talk of are blow ins, that have been rejected by the rebels
The rebels and the jihadists became enemies.
http://www.dw.de/jihadists-fighting-in-syria-boost-assads-image/a-17371529
This is what happens when complex international disputes are simplified inaccurately with soundbite rhetoric.
We are all worst off for it.
There is nothing wrong with accurately describing an over-arching issue into a few brief words. But that is not easily done. And, there are few who can do it well. Tony Abbott cannot do it at all. He can, however, make short, attention grabbing statements that inflame situations. He has done so again here.
From your link, one par says it all.
‘This reality represents a political gain for the government. Western nations have changed their priorities in the face of extremists’ increasing power in Syria. While Western governments initially supported the rebels’ fight against Assad, they are now approaching the regime – not because they’ve changed allegiances, but because they’re worried about the spreading terrorism.’
They would rather sup with the devil than connect with the anti christ.
From my link, egg, one LINE stood out
The rebels and the jihadists became enemies.
Reflect on that, and posit the thought that perhaps the rebels have become meat in the midst of many other power plays.
As I said, the colour grey is the most prolific colour in any conflict. Tony Abbott wants to make it Black and White, It is simply dumbing down a complex situation.
Oh, right.
The situation is that the rebels are non-existent. In April last year the NYT observed: “Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.” There is no evidence that things have improved since then. On the contrary the jihadists have become even more entrenched. That is a pretty dark shade of gray.
Sorry for the confusion – this bit was my comment (not the NYT): There is no evidence that things have improved since then. On the contrary the jihadists have become even more entrenched. That is a pretty dark shade of gray.
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On the contrary the jihadists have become even more entrenched.
Perhaps “entranched” means something different here. Yes, it appears that many jihadists are “entrenched” in hte country. It doesn’t look like they are “entrenched” with the rebels though.
It appears to be a war on several fronts, the Government, the rebels, and the jihadists. And Tony Abbott wants to bring it down to “Baddies versus Baddies”. What a simplistic, and thoroughly demeaning individual
From my very brief reading of (current) events, the jihadists appear to have taken advantage of the chaos, and are moving in to try and claim some spoils. The Rebels, who at first welcomed the help, have now realised the folly. And while we try and skim over thse details with simplicity and innacuracy, people continue to die.
Beirut (AFP) – Nearly 1,400 people have been killed in Syria since clashes between rebels and the jihadist Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) erupted this month, a monitor said Thursday.
http://news.yahoo.com/nearly-1-400-dead-since-syria-rebel-jihadist-115951832.html
It really is a situation that requires keeping up with events, as they have changed dramatically since last April.
‘THE Abbott government is absolutely determined to stop illegal immigrant boats coming to Australia, even if this means enduring significant damage to the relationship with Indonesia. …’
Sheridan / Oz
Abbott is a man of principle, determined to prevent further drownings. Illegal guest workers should be encouraged to fly-in like the other asylum seekers.
There is a geopolitical thing going on here, with Indonesia behaving like a prat, I feel the force of Chinese hegemony.
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/enviro-free-trade-on-the-cards-minister/story-e6frfku9-1226810243830
So now the Abbott government is green?
I wish they’d make their minds up … 🙄
‘Sharp increase in numbers of jihadists and radicals in Syria is forcing Israel to reevaluate policy of neutrality in conflict, senior intelligence official says’
UK Tele
What an embarrassing imbecile tool… what would posses someone to vote for this tool 🙄
“Australians at Davos, Woodstock for intellectuals”.
PM
Last l heard, `baddies` have oil under their soil that the `goodies` can liberate to freedom.
Goodies vs baddies, baddies vs baddies, now that’s what you call real deep thinking about complex world problems. At least he makes it easy for the spoon fed to know who to hate ‘teh muslims, there’s not a good one to be found anywhere, stop the boats’.
The Davos rubbish was hardly original -cut the red tape, lower tax [for the wealthy], open for business – all the same neocon drivel we’ve heard for many years [despite the GFC and proven economic idiocy]. Then labor = baddies, gotta get a political king hit in whenever possible. Yeah, what a statesman, we pay him to travel there and deliver the same uninspiring crap he spouts here time after time.
Like this author, I’m heartily sick and tired of his immaturity, the arrested development of the devoutly religious shows with his blue tie symbolism, Abbott’s ongoing obsession.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-23/green-when-is-a-blue-tie-more-than-just-a-blue-tie/5214296
Hi AO, Abbott is doing and saying es anticipated. People probably had low expectations and he’s met them in full.
Tom I think that Abbot has set a new low bar in expectations along with his standards. He is to international diplomacy what Ivan Milat (or Scott Morrison for that matter) is to tourism. He make George Bush look like Paul Keating 🙄
Kitty read back up the thread and you may get a grasp on what Jihadist means and why Israel is giving up its neutral stance on the Syrian war.
‘People probably had low expectations and he’s met them in full.’
His approval rating has dipped because he’s been forced to hit the ground running, but once parliament resumes those numbers should rebound. From the moment Abbott came to power he has been quietly preparing the groundwork for revolutionary change.
His approval rating has dipped because he’s been forced to hit the ground running, but once parliament resumes those numbers should rebound. From the moment Abbott came to power he has been quietly preparing the groundwork for revolutionary change.
It dipped ’cause he’s a dipshit … no-one forced him to hit the groungd running, he fkn fell over anyway … once parlaiment resumes he’ll be in deep shit (or should be) … the numbers will never rebound – people are already talking about when he will go … Abbott has certainly been quiet … but on holiday in France (after threaten ing to recall parliament before Christmas – LOL!
“revolutionary change” belongs to the left of politics – just ask the Septic Tank from Feenix …
Tradition and maintaining the old ways is more right whinge …
Hi `armchair opionator` 🙂
l agree armchair, they`re a pain, and Mr-Rabbit and the reheated zombies only have three components to them, just as they did under John-W. Everything they do will fit into,
1-Gifting to the wealthy,
2-Austerity for the masses,
3-Surplus Fetish.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-23/green-when-is-a-blue-tie-more-than-just-a-blue-tie/5214296
”””””””””””””””writes Jonathan Green.
Call me old-fashioned, but I would like to think this of my Prime Minister: that he is a man of intelligence, independent thought and creative intellectual flexibility; a man who knows, trusts and expresses his own mind.
Call me trivial, but I’ll never be able to convince myself that Tony Abbott is any of those things while he keeps
wearing those blue ties.””””””consuming oxygen.
Jonathan`s tie fetish is quite inane. And a stupid distraction within his post.
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””””””””””””””’His approval rating has dipped because he’s been forced to hit the ground running, but once parliament resumes those numbers should rebound. From the moment Abbott came to power he has been quietly preparing the groundwork for revolutionary change.”””””””””
Dumpty is still inhaling l see.
‘people are already talking about when he will go …’
His position is safe for now, but he’ll have to do some popular and constructive things if he has any hope of winning the next election.
Revolutionary change is a must or Abbott will be a oncer.
… once parlaiment resumes he’ll be in deep shit (or should be) … the numbers will never rebound – people are already talking about when he will go …
He’ll play hide & seek, just like he’s doing. The biggest glass jaw in politics, can’t bear to be exposed to any scrutiny or criticism.
Even more control of message, doncha love the gutless pre-recorded tape he sent to the media recently, no need to fear a question or two.
I reckon the media should lose interest in the government, don’t chase him for anything, don’t turn up for his stage managed ‘appearances’. No-one will care.
Dumpty is still inhaling l see.
Dumpty’s so high he’s trippin’
The PM is on holidays after a heavy round of serious discussions with his peer group and he performed reasonably well for a novice.
A gentle reminder to the leftoid supporters here, the monk has his hands fully on the Treasury Benches and three years to lay the foundations for a decade in power.
Folks don`t need to be `leftoids` to know Mr-Rabbit would have his hands full making a salad sandwich, only had to refrain from guzzling Mr-Rabbit`s Tea.
The PM is on holidays after a heavy round of serious discussions with his peer group and he performed reasonably well for a novice.
Abbott is one of the LNPs most experienced in government, he’s been in politics since 1990. He’s been an MP since 1994 and was a cabinet minister as well as chief head kicker for Howard.
It’s quite ridiculous to suggest that he is a novice.
Stay tuned for more of ‘the adventures of bazza mckenzie’
Hob nobbing (sic) with world leaders is new.
Revolutionary change , what like become human or maybe set himself on fire egg ?
You got it TB, i’ll recall parliament for this national emergency, but first I will go for a ski and hide in France before I make a complete tool of myself showing what and economic pleb I am whilst awkwardly rabbiting to foreign dignitaries about climbing mountains in displays of unparalleled ignorance.. fuck me what a monumental example of a cretinous imbecilic fake pretending to be a statesman. He reminds me of that sign language guy at Mandella’s funeral .
I reckon the media should lose interest in the government, don’t chase him for anything, don’t turn up for his stage managed ‘appearances’. No-one will care.
So, in other words, just what the Liberals want.
The media were quite happy to pass on and dissect any juicy snippet about the previous Government, regardless of the source (several even admitted to the source being from the opposition), although talk of actual policy were few and far between. But now the “adults” are in charge, we should just let them get on with whatever it is grown up do.
I think you are right though in the outcome. The media are just finding it too hard to chase down what the Government is actually doing, and will concentrate their efforts elsewhere. Probably somewhere that can hurt Labor the most would be my guess. I mean, it even takes them several days to pass on information about what our Operation Border Wherever is doing that has been printed in Indonesian papers.
Are we still talking about boats?
Abbott has done a fairly good job of demonstrating he is the master of 3, maybe 4 word slogans and that is about it.
Anything else demonstrates a lack of confidence and provides a very concerning view of his fundamental values.
””””””””’The media were quite happy to pass on and dissect any juicy snippet about the previous Government, regardless of the source”””””””’
Jagged, the problem is boardrooms, politicians and media are all being paid ridiculous levels of money
http://730reportland.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/2013-top-abc-salaries-part-two-pdf/
which means the whole lot of`em are all so far out of touch with the rest of the population, so they all imagine `everybody` who has a job earns $4000 per week, just like a back-bencher does.