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Union Officials Actively Involved with Crims, Bikie Gangs, Drugs and Corruption!!

January 28, 2014

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***AN EXCLUSIVE GUTTER TRASH EXCLUSIVE REPORT INVESTIGATION***

Following a six-month intensive, in-depth and no expenses claimed investigation, The Gutter Trash can today reveal that a number of high profile so-called “Union officials” are directly involved with a number of organised crime figures including notorious bikie gangs the Commoncherios and another one.

The stunning revelations confirm that rampant bribery, threats, extortion, intimidation and violence are all used to cement the influence of crime figures on Australia’s construction sites.

A number of companies connected to these major crime figures have secured lucrative deals on both private and government projects, including Victoria’s desalination plant and the Barangaroo development in Sydney.

With thanks to the tireless efforts of our undercover investigators, The Gutter Trash has compiled a dossier of hard core evidence that includes covertly recorded conversations, bank records, police intelligence files and whistleblower accounts. And it all implicates senior members of the influential Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) in New South Wales and Victoria of widespread corruption.

IT’S A DIGRACE!

In a secretly recorded conversation, one building industry figure tells a colleague that he has given cash bribes and other inducements to several members of the union’s Victorian hierarchy, along with lower-level union shop stewards.

EXTORTION!

Labour hire companies have handed over wads of cash to crime figures and union officials in order to win contracts for major building projects, even though some of those companies have become infamous for ripping off workers and leaving them without their entitlements.

The CFMEU has been forcing large developers to use certain contractors – including labour hire companies – by wielding the stick of costly industrial action and holding out the carrot of peace on building sites.  A practice commonly known as BLACKMAIL!!!

One Victorian CFMEU official, Danny Berardi, resigned immediately after The Gutter Trash supplied evidence that he got at least two companies to help renovate his own personal properties for free in return for getting them work on Melbourne construction sites.

The CFMEU’s national executive has also launched an internal investigation into the influence of Sydney crime figure George Alex in the union’s NSW arm after a whistleblower questioned his relationship with senior union officials.

Mr Alex – a convicted criminal with links to the Commoncherios bikie gang, murderers and drug traffickers – runs a labour hire company that has landed lucrative contracts in NSW and Victoria, including the Barangaroo development.

It has been alleged that union figures helped Mr Alex obtain those contracts, despite the fact he is notorious for running phoenix companies, which go bust then resurface under a different name. As a result, some workers have been left without their entitlements.

Late last year, Mr Alex’s companies owed more than $1 million in workers’ benefits and unpaid taxes in NSW and Victoria. The NSW CFMEU recently recovered $250,000 from Mr Alex.

In Victoria, Mr Alex employed Melbourne underworld figure Mick Gatto to negotiate with the unions and obtain work for his labour hire companies, Active and United.

However, Victorian secretary John Setka and his NSW counterpart, Brian Parker, said the union played no part in deciding whether particular labour hire companies got contracts on construction projects.

“The union is not in a position to check the property, or other interests or connections of employers and managers of companies,” Mr Parker said.

“The union might have a view about a contractor and their history of compliance, but ultimately, whether a subcontractor wins work is up to the builders who contract with them.”

Mr Parker also said he had a “professional” relationship with Mr Alex, but no social relationship, and that he had not sought work for Active Labour Hire at Barangaroo.

CFMEU national secretary Dave Noonan said he was “deeply concerned about any criminal activity in the industry”, and urged anyone with evidence of criminality in the industry to report it to police.

“We will not tolerate corruption within the union,” he told The Gutter Trash on the basis of anonymity.

“Construction workers are entitled and are proud of the fact we have had a strong and effective union in the CFMEU. Any individuals that have engaged in corrupt activity will not be continuing their employment with the union. They will be sacked.”

Mr Noonan said he “absolutely refuted” suggestions that the union had been inactive in fighting corruption.

“Our policies are very clear on probity and corruption and on all of these matters, and we have dealt with them in the past,” he said.

“The CFMEU is not the corporate regulator to approve which individuals and which companies can and cannot operate in the industry, nor are we the body that can investigate criminal matters. These are issues for ASIC and the police force and we have consistently called on them to do their job.”

Nigel Hadgkiss, the director of the Fair Work Building and Construction Commission, has revealed law enforcement agencies have recently obtained evidence about “the payment of bribes to senior union officials” in Victoria.

However, he said that in the past, police had not acted on evidence of corruption in the building industry, leaving the field open for criminals and corrupt officials. He described this as “very frustrating”.

A PLETHORA OF CORRUPTION!!

Claims of corruption in the construction industry are nothing new. In 2003 the Cole Royal Commission found:

Widespread use of inappropriate payments in the industry

Threats and intimidation

Widespread requirements to employ union-nominated persons in critical positions on building projects

Unlawful strikes and threats of unlawful strikes

Read more about the major structural reform recommended by the commission.

CRIMS, DRUGS, BIKIES AND THE CFMEU!

In 2010, intelligence gathered by a Victoria Police and Australian Crime Commission drugs investigation revealed that Mr Gatto and his crane company business partner, Matt Tomas, were allegedly involved in “criminal activity in the building industry and narcotics” and have close connections to “the Hells Angels, the CFMEU and drug importers”.

It has been alleged that two Victoria labour hire firms, KPI and MC Labour, hired criminal figures and friends and relatives of union officials in return for help getting contracts on building projects, including the massive desalination plant in Gippsland.

A number of outlaw motorcycle gang members and other people linked with them were given jobs at the plant.

A KPI staff list sent to a major contractor at the Victorian government-funded Springvale Road overpass project reveals it is employing the relatives of two CFMEU shop stewards, two outlaw bikie figures and several relatives of Mr Gatto.

The labour hire companies sought favour with union officials by supplying gifts such as AFL grand final tickets, Formula One grand prix tickets, and trips to Crown casino’s high-end Mahogany Room.

The Federal Government says the claims of widespread corruption and criminal activity by union officials strengthen the Government’s case for re-establishing the Australian Building and Construction Commission.

“Any argument against the re-establishment of the ABCC has just disappeared out the window,” Senator Abetz said this morning.

“Bill Shorten and Labor need to acknowledge that there is corruption and there is a need for the ABCC.”

Master Builders Association chief executive Wilhelm Harnisch says the allegations are unacceptable and prove that the ABCC needs to be restored.

“It was exactly these sorts of allegations that led to the establishment of the Cole Royal Commission,” he said.

“These fresh allegations of corruption and criminality are totally outside the community’s expectations of how normal people should behave and there must be a full inquiry to get to the truth.”

Mr Harnisch says the allegations point to a culture of intimidation and coercion created by the building unions.

“These allegations also illustrate how the behaviour of building unions holds back the productivity of the construction sector to the detriment of the Australian community,” he said.

Lend Lease chief executive Steve McCann told The Gutter Trash they have a “zero tolerance approach” to corrupt or fraudulent behaviour in the industry.

 

 

 

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281 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 1:20 pm

    It’s a beatup! The media always has it in for unions. I personally know of a clerical supervisor who posted her personal mail, using company envelopes!

    Where’s the sensational media coverage of that?

  2. January 28, 2014 2:20 pm

    The ideology of Ideology Mk 4… Wonder how many of the corrupt developers are members of the Liberal Party? Abetz is walking around with a stiffy looking for somewhere to stick it.. so its , Refugee’s Muslims, the ABC, People on pensions, Defenseless people with no voice, migrants, the poor, educators, scientists, low paid workers, academics, gays, technologists, republicans, atheists and now surprise surprise Unionists.. This is the dark age of regressive social sodomy is now upon us.

  3. January 28, 2014 2:37 pm

    Ssshhh

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 2:39 pm

    We have football clubs counselling their players about the dangers of associating with shady underworld and bikie types. It’s a bad look, and once they get their hooks in, they use the relationship to intimidate.

    While no one has mounted an argument against this type of counselling for footballers, various union barrackers are now defending the right of unions to cultivate such associations.

  5. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 28, 2014 3:46 pm

    More Unionland sleaze. Every time you turn a rock the maggots come crawling out. And given the unions own and control the ALP and put union lackeys into parliament it is no surprise that a lot of shonks end up there. I bet Shorten is shitting himself now the skeletons are starting to roll out of the AWU closet.

    It was no accident that Labor closed down the ABCC. It tried to stamp out corruption in the building industry – the very antithesis of what Labor wanted.

    Unions are no longer led by officials from the rank and file but by a cabal of professional grubs, sleazy movers and shakers moving for the kill, ripping off workers on their way to political power and a lifestyle the members could only dream of. The dregs of the middle class have well and truly taken over both the unions and the parliamentary Labor Party.

    I blame Kathy Jackson, Bob Kernohon and the CFMEU whistleblower who ratted out his mates. Without those troublemakers Unionland would not have such a bad name.

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2014 5:16 pm

    🙄

  7. January 28, 2014 5:38 pm

    “republicans”

    Not the ‘special’ Republicans in the Land Of Destiny Manifest though.

    It’s hilarious. Here, we call them ‘liberals’; a greater misnomer ne’er there was. The world is arse backwards in the heads of conservative knickerpissers.

    ” I bet Shorten is shitting himself now the skeletons are starting to roll out of the AWU closet.”

    Entirely possible…and another firm reason not to ideologically, rhetorically or nostalgically align oneself with any of the self serving fucks, no matter which ‘Party’ they put on their letterhead.

  8. January 28, 2014 5:39 pm

    When none of them are beholden to vested lobbyists, they may be worth taking seriously. ie….never.

  9. January 28, 2014 5:47 pm

    Noone is genuinely surprised that the pantywetting, regressive conservatives are implementing their agenda (the one which they went to great pains not to verbalise prior to the election, but that anyone with an ounce of political awareness knew was coming with them) are they?

    I mean, seriously… 🙄

  10. egg permalink
    January 28, 2014 5:55 pm

    ‘I blame Kathy Jackson, Bob Kernohon and the CFMEU whistleblower who ratted out his mates. Without those troublemakers Unionland would not have such a bad name.’

    ** chuckle **

  11. January 28, 2014 6:08 pm

    Tarring Unionism with the brush of political opportunity.

    The opposite of intelligent analysis.

  12. armchair opionator permalink
    January 28, 2014 6:14 pm

    The government is concerned about their lack of popularity, so a nice little drop to the media by the libs to create the usualoutrage [come in splatter] so that they can justify another RC into a sitting duck union. The only time we hear from a minister is when they’re in damage control and let off the muzzle.

    When are we going to get a RC into corrupt business practices and the hundreds of small business shonks who rip off their workers?

    …GREG HOY: Australia is a signatory to the OECD’s anti-foreign bribery convention.

    But in a recent report, the OECD was scathing of Australia’s record, pointing out that: “Australia has only one case that has led to foreign bribery prosecutions, out of 28 foreign bribery referrals” received by the Australian Federal Police, and noting “that this is of serious concern.”

    MICHAEL AHRENS, TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL AUST.: That report has never been responded to yet by the Government…

    I am in a union, they say that through their unionshopper they can get me goods at a cheaper price than I can get them myself. A pick up was arranged at a harvey norman store [under the counter] which was a couple of hundred dollars less than another customer would pay for the same item. Are they both corrupt?

  13. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 28, 2014 6:30 pm

    “Tarring Unionism with the brush of political opportunity.”

    The unions created the ALP for political reasons – advancing the cause of workers in parliament. But then smart young chancers started coming in droves straight from uni to the unions and eventually dominated them. Now the main role of unions is as a life-support system for middle class careerists. Unions are as much about political opportunity for union hacks as they are for achieving political outcomes for workers. Just count the former unionists who are now ALP poliies or in sinecures created for them by ALP pollies.

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 28, 2014 6:44 pm

    Typical AO – “look over there!”

    Clearly we need a Royal Commission into, at the very least, the CMFEU, AWU and HSU. Someone has got to start cleaning out the Unionland cesspit.

    It was the ALP that closed down the ABCC just to make union corruption and intimidation easier.

    The ALP spent six years fucking up the country and they could have had an inquiry into small business practices but they didn’t. Nothing much for the unions in that. So they left that to FWA.

    “Are they both corrupt?”

    The unions are very good at extortion. Technically the person being extorted is also corrupt, although HN probably looks on it as a cost of doing business in Unionland. In that case the consumer pays for the corruption.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 7:08 pm

    The 7.30 Report should be funny!

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2014 7:31 pm

    …Unions are as much about political opportunity for union hacks as they are for achieving political outcomes for workers. Just count the former unionists who are now ALP poliies or in sinecures created for them by ALP pollies…

    They make no secret of their union origins and they are transparent about the process, however rigged it may be. When will the libs open the floor up to the ordinary voting membership rather than stand over merchants ensuring the branch stacked and leadership directed outcomes that they have now?

    They’ll certainly do more for ordinary workers than the “workchoices” we get with the LNP.
    How many big business lawyers, private school networked ol’ boys and “uni to lib staffer” represent the liberal party?

    The unions are very good at extortion. Technically the person being extorted is also corrupt,

    There is no extortion if both are willing, that’s called collusion. How do you know the corruption doesn’t come from greedy business trying to bribe their way past competitors? Seems to be the normal aussie business culture.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2014 7:32 pm

    … and another firm reason not to ideologically, rhetorically or nostalgically align oneself with any of the self serving fucks, no matter which ‘Party’ they put on their letterhead.

    HEAR! Fkn! HEAR!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The unions created the ALP for political reasons – advancing the cause of workers in parliament.

    Yes, because of the dominance of business and landed gentry controlling the laws governing wages and conditions for labour …

    But then smart young chancers started coming in droves straight from uni to the unions and eventually dominated them

    So how would you describe the Liberal Party …

    But then smart young chancers started coming in droves straight from uni to the Robber Barons – especially the catlik church … that eventually dominated them … 🙄

    Wikepedia tells the tale …

    Who looks after the real people?

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2014 7:53 pm

    …The unions are very good at extortion. Technically the person being extorted is also corrupt, although HN probably looks on it as a cost of doing business in Unionland…

    That’s what I mean, there is a bribery and corruption culture in australian business. The so-called “cost of doing business” where aussies use underhand means to gain contracts and defeat competition. This practice is even accepted by the government, they do nothing to stamp it out, so why is it only wrong when unions take part?

    I’d prefer that it was illegal all the time and the toothless tigers that are the regulators actually punished all of them with equal jail time and huge meaningful fines. I think it is hypocritical to only shine a spotlight on unions while business criminals continue to get off scot free.

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 8:01 pm

    Business only exists to generate money/wealth, in this quest there may be some blurring of the lines between the legitimate pursuit of profit and the interests of consumers etc.

    But Unions appeal to a higher principle – the singular focus on the interests of their members. People are entitled to expect higher standards and ethics of unions than they are of business people.
    —————–
    It used to be the case that power was the currency of unions, it now seems that money is also the currency.

  20. January 28, 2014 8:23 pm

    ”””””””””””””’anyone with an ounce of political awareness knew was coming with them) are they?”””””

    Dunny, the only ones fooled was the embedded media, (and probably dumpty)

    +++++++++++++++

    ””””””””I’d prefer that it was illegal all the time and the toothless tigers that are the regulators actually punished all of them with equal jail time and huge meaningful fines. I think it is hypocritical”””””””’

    Ditto armchair, tho l hold little hope.
    lt is near impossible to get the lower ranks to behave lawfully/ethically when the elite have open-slather (systematically-speaking)

    or remove the ability to earn a lawful living and then be surprised when crime escalates,

    under the teabags, they continually create the hardship for the economic `bottom` that pushes more people toward the wrong thing,

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 8:29 pm

    they continually create the hardship for the economic `bottom` that pushes more people toward the wrong thing

    That must be the weakest excuse for corruption, ever.

  22. January 28, 2014 8:32 pm

    ”””””””””””Business only exists to generate money/wealth, in this quest there may be some blurring of the lines between the legitimate pursuit of profit and the interests of consumers etc.”””””””””

    Still deep-throating for teh corporations l see,

    is the `blurring of lines` you refer to, meaning the slavery and misery of unregulated off-shore sweat-shops.?

    or is the blurring more of the `union-carbide` type.?

    or the stripping away of `real-meaningful-choice` that makes our so-called democracy`s a near pointless exercise.?

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 8:43 pm

    …or do you mean that we should blame everyone else when union officials-
    *take bribes
    *steal money from their members
    *associate with criminals and bikies

    …because clearly you don’t think the individual officials should be held responsible.

  24. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 28, 2014 8:57 pm

    do you mean that we should blame everyone else when union officials

    I hope that if any are found to have accepted bribes, the book is thrown at them.

    They have done as much damage for workers as those providing and facilitating the bribes. I hope the book is thrown at all found guilty.

    The Union movement, however, is in for a lot of pain. The Liberals indicated that they were going to go after the Unions, we haven’t seen anything yet.

  25. January 28, 2014 8:59 pm

    boardroom decisions-
    *take finders / introduction fees
    *steal money from their customers (gouge)
    *often kill their own workforce

    do we ever hold the individual company officials responsible.?

  26. egg permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:01 pm

    ‘…we haven’t seen anything yet.’

    Hopefully they’ll put the boot in and destroy Labor’s industrial wing.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:04 pm

    The 7.30 Report should be funny!

    And it would have been if it wasn’t so bloody serious … the people that really suffer are the members … 7:30 demonstrated that Robber barons live on both sides of the business fence … members owed half a million dollars in super by one contractor alone …

    People are entitled to expect higher standards and ethics of unions than they are of business people.

    I cannot believe you wrote that … I expect equally high standards of ethics in any organisation or person involved in day to day business …

    Your own bias or misdirected understanding of business ethics may be showing in this matter, methinks …

    That must be the weakest excuse for corruption, ever.

    There is no excuse for corruption … from either side … but you take one side …

  28. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:05 pm

    Hopefully they’ll put the boot in and destroy Labor’s industrial wing.

    It has probably crossed a few minds that this is the desired outcome from any Union related court case, not the prosecution of wrong doing.

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:09 pm

    7.30 id est – “look over there”…”but, but, but…they do it!”…”it’s the bosses fault”…”don’t blame them, they’re only taking bribes because everyone does it”

  30. egg permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:11 pm

    The traditional bond between Labor and the unions needs to be broken, for the good of the Party.

    With unions on the nose, Abbott has a free hand to implement infrastructure growth without the hinderance of corrupt unions.

  31. January 28, 2014 9:13 pm

    ”””’That must be the weakest excuse for corruption, ever.””””

    ”””””expect higher standards and ethics of unions than they are of business”””’

    both fine examples of hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy on your part

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:15 pm

    7.30 – “but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but…they all do it!”

  33. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:15 pm

    People are entitled to expect higher standards and ethics of unions than they are of business people.

    People expect higher standards and ethics of unions than they are of business people.

    I think that is more what was meant. Unions, because they are supposed to protect workers from unscrupulous bosses, have this expectation within the community. They are, however, just as susceptible to corruption as any other organization. The percentage of these discretion’s still remains low, it is just trumpeted loudly when exposed

  34. January 28, 2014 9:18 pm

    ””””taking bribes because everyone does it”””””’

    well yomm, that shows you don`t have a fcuking clue about your own fancy book learnin,

    ever heard, `leadership comes from the top`.?

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:22 pm

    The liberals have always wanted to kneecap the unions so Labor is no threat politically, that’s what workchoices was all about. This is about defeating labor not some union thugs, but they’ll be used as the excuse. Abbbott would surpass howard as the messiah by the IPA/HR Nicholls set if he managed something like that!

    People are entitled to expect higher standards and ethics of unions than they are of business people.

    That’s almost word for word what you always say about people expecting higher standards from the Labor Party than they do the Liberals…because everyone knows the Libs are hypocritical arseholes!

    It’s the one-eyed scrutiny that allows the rot to flourish.

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:25 pm

    Yeah, right, so union leaders take their “leadership” from a few corrupt businessmen, or from bikies?

    Hilarious!

    We have the biggest single contributor to the ALP immersed in shocking corruption, and 7.30 wants to blame….well, who knows, but it seems – anyone except corrupt union officials.

  37. January 28, 2014 9:30 pm

    ”””””””workchoices was all about. This is about defeating labor not some union thugs, but they’ll be used as the excuse.””””””””

    that will definitely be a piece of it armchair,

    our corporate throater yomm overlooks, that for each union/biker that gets busted, so will some corporate-type that paid the bribe,

    it will be `collusion` to defraud if the bribe-payer didn`t report it to the cops,

    #YAY.for.willful.teabag.blindness

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:37 pm

    Yes AO, when I was a union official I had a sense of obligation far greater than I have to the work I do these days.

    Union officials that don’t uncompromisingly the interests of their members above all else are like social workers that rip off their broke clients, or scam artists who rip off pensioners. That’s about how I see the obligation of union officials.

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 28, 2014 9:38 pm

    …uncompromisingly protect the interests…

  40. January 28, 2014 10:01 pm

    ”””””’Yes AO, when I was a union official”””””’
    GUFFAW
    you have never done a days hard yakka,
    or ever thought or acted beyond your own self interest

  41. January 28, 2014 10:05 pm

    And the IPA created the modern fiberal party backed by Murdoch snr and Gina’s daddy… this is gonna blow up in abbotts face , like operation boaty gloat, logging world heritage area’s of Tasmania, the parental leave welfare payout administered under social security law to set a precedent so as to introduce work choices and can penalty rates, repealing the discrimination act to legalize Bots hate speech, revoking Disability payments, axing medicare, the PBS the ABC, the NBN, anything to do with clean energy, removing environmental impact studies, allowing foreign companies to sue the government, burning refugee’s , destroying any hope of progressing society on gay marriage, sensible drug policy, euthanasia, abortion, the republic and letting god botheres impose morality on us sane people who don’t subscribe to buggery rape and fairy tails… What a pack of philistine fake fops, sodomizing Australia.

  42. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 28, 2014 10:12 pm

    We have the biggest single contributor to the ALP immersed in shocking corruption

    Are you as outraged about tobacco companies?

  43. January 28, 2014 10:16 pm

    Well said Ricky. 🙂

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2014 10:33 pm

    hehehe ricky

    now for some comic relief [I don’t mean to derail the serious discussion above]

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/28/navy-indonesian-incursions-after-wind-tide-distractions

  45. January 28, 2014 10:40 pm

    Gentlemen ever get the feeling this lot is feral? Its like going away for a holiday and coming back to find everything has gone but a dirty ring around the bathtub.

    I would like to venture a projected guess as to what this dysfunctional ideological regressives are trying to achieve with all this madness?, Just what type of socially divisive backwater they are trying to socially engineer for the benefit of their benefactor puppeteers the like of News, BT and rio tinto?

    This is actually getting pretty serious, its a Fukashima type scenario

  46. January 28, 2014 10:48 pm

    Holy shit Armchair, see what I mean? In ya guts you know he’s nuts and yet fucktards voted for him? Its actually astonishing what did they expect he would grow into the job like a generous dose of infected anal warts ? We all make mistakes right? few lies, core truths, budget emergencies? few feet or so? This ass clown is PM?

  47. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 28, 2014 11:11 pm

    It is officially ‘truth overboard’, surely there has to be a limit to the acceptance of abbott’s insulting of the collective intelligence.
    The navy must be pissed!

  48. egg permalink
    January 29, 2014 7:46 am

    As I said earlier, it would do no harm if we separated the industrial wing from the party.

  49. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 9:35 am

    What a pathetic joke this thread is. Some people are constitutionally incapable of discussing union corruption. It always has to be qualified. As ToM said: but, but, but, but ad infinitum. No real interest in looking at what is broken with the system, why the ALP closed down the ABCC, why union officials don’t have to report their financial benefits, why they get away with intimidation and blackmail.

    No, it is all Abbott, Abbott, Abbott.

    The problem is that in Unionland, unions are merely pathways to power and wealth for middle-class tossers spewed out of our Universities these days. It is pointless to say that there may be some union officials somewhere who are not in it for the power or the money. Even the Bandidos do the occasional charity ride. It provides good cover. It is no surprise that the ALP is desperately trying to stop a Royal Commission. They would do that wouldn’t they? After all the unions own the ALP.

    We have a past president of the ALP facing jail, a former PM who is under police investigation, a currernt leader of the opposition who is not looking too pretty for his past activities in the AWU, an ICAC investigation in NSW which exposed massive ALP and union corruption and some of you poor ignorant bastards can’t understand why Labor got turfed??? And that is without considering the mess the ALP made of the economy and the “quality” of the leaders they gave us!!! FMD! If you can’t work that out you shouldn’t be commenting on politics.

    And now, and not for the first time, we find the unions in bed with organised crime. This should come as no surprise. They have a lot in common, especially in the field of extortion.

    The ALP had notice of this disease with Craig Thomson. For over a year they expressed confidence in and support for him. Any one of them could have crossed the floor and demanded an explanation from Thomson. None of them did because, at heart, they are all as rotten as Thomson.

    And now Thomson is not challenging the army of prostitutes and madams giving details of his union-funded brothel-creeping. He says that he was authorised to spend the members’ money on whores. And on current evidence that appears to be normal in Unionland. I hope all those who reacted to the exposure Thomson’s crimes by attacking Kathy Jackson are sick to the stomach with remorse. But somehow I don’t think we will see many apologies. Leftists are just attention-seeking kids who have never grown up. They are too stupid and too morally vacant to ever experience regret. Being a leftist means never having to say sorry.

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:00 am

    True, we now know that Thompson has continually lied to the parliament and the public.

    Those of us who have pointed to the unsavoury relationships between construction unions and criminals have been banned from some blogs.

    It must be uncomfortable for the mindless ALP supporter at the moment.

  51. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:05 am

    “…………..surely there has to be a limit to the acceptance of abbott’s insulting of the collective intelligence.
    The navy must be pissed!”

    Its actually quite a plausible explanation if you have any “sea experience” which obviously you dont. Shallow and narrow shipping channels will put the frighteners into anyone in charge of a reasonably sized boat and someone in a very large RAN Patrol Boat in such waters might easily find themselves unable to navigate out of an area by the same route that they entered it. Its quite plausible that one might need to “retreat” from International waters by first crossing into Sovereign waters to exit out to International.

    If you would like to experience such a situation yourself I recommend you charter a bareboat and go out for a week in the waters of the Whitsundays.

    You’ll then have a slight appreciation of what can go wrong very very quickly

  52. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:14 am

    we now know that Thompson has continually lied to the parliament and the public.

    Are you able to detail where? As I can detail where the prosecutions witness has lied on national television.

    unions are merely pathways to power and wealth for middle-class tossers spewed out of our Universities these days.

    I don’t disagree with that sentiment at all, except to say that this still seems to be a minority. Most of the thousands of Unions officials are there for the good of the workers. Unfortunately, wherever power exists, corruption will follow, and it is clear that the Unions are allowing too many to be corrupted. I would guess (I don’t have figures) that things are on the improve as to where they were, but there is still a long way to go.

    I will just mention, jumping to the Unions defense in this, that it is probably pertinent to consider how this has been exposed. It was happening all through the previous tenure of the ABCC,according to reports, and it went high up in the building industry itself. And why is this company that contracts the workers, and then rips them off, still able to operate?

    Many questions. I get the feeling that only a few will be asked. Not that they shouldn’t, but this is already political, and will get more so as it progresses.

  53. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:19 am

    “Are you able to detail where?”

    ROFLMAO

    It would take up considerably less space to outline the “true” bits

  54. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:20 am

    ROFLMAO

    I’ll take that as a NO then?

    Or else, one example will suffice

  55. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:27 am

    In my experience in the building industry back in the mid 80s to the early 90s with both Shopping Centre Developers and on the construction side there was always a degree of you scratch my back and wink wink.

    And yes there were indeed paper bags of very very large amounts ( $200K) handed over by the Developer I worked for to a political figure of great influence.

    There is corruption worldwide in the building industry. Have you ever been to Southern Europe ?

    There is bound to be pockets of corruption in all areas of the economy. But that does not mean you should just accept it.

    The Building Industry is so vital to the proper functioning of the economy that anything that makes it run smoother without needless costs should be applauded and not seen as a political witchhunt.

  56. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:29 am

    But that does not mean you should just accept it.

    Hear Hear

    And regardless of the pain to Labor, the Unions involved should be examined as closely as the other players. They can only come out the better for it.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:33 am

    Well JJ, I recall that Thompson, in denying that he’d used union funds on prostitutes, said (in parliament) something along the lines of-

    *It wasn’t me
    *It was someone else
    *I know who it was
    *I’ll be naming them

    Now his excuse is that there was no union policy against using his credit card for prostitutes.

    What do you think he said in parliament?

  58. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:37 am

    Thompson, by not cross-examining or challenging the witnesses who state he attended brothels and bought sexual services is admitting that evidence in court. Thomson had the right to challenge it, but did not. That evidence now stands on the court record unchallenged and, as such will be taken to be true.

    This means that his defamation action against Fairfax was a lie. He only took that action to gain pre-selection as the committee was concerned about the Fairfax stories. Thomosn assured them that the stories weren’t true and that he was taking action against Fairfax.

    In the event he settled with Fairfax. He told the public that he was well satisfied with the settlement but that the terms were confidential. In fact his “settlement” was complete surrender – he withdrew the proceedings and paid Fairfax’s costs. The ALP funded him to do so – it protects its crooks.

    So his action against Fairfax was a lie, as were all his statements that he had done nothing wrong – unless you believe there is nothing wrong with spending members’ money on prostitutes. And who can forget his story about someone stealing his mobile phone, calling the brothel and then secretly returning it? The man is a pathological liar. But he is a Unionland pathological liar and that means there will always be moral cretins ready to answer all credible evidence against him by attacking anyone with enough guts to stand up against the Unionland code of silence in the name of common decency. Those people are the lowest of the low. They are of a piece with the Unionland grubs who retaliated against Gillian Sneddon for outing (yet another) ALP pedophile Milton Orkopolous. Unionland is rotten to the core.

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:41 am

    They are, however, just as susceptible to corruption as any other organization.

    JJ, its not the organisation its arseholes withing those organisations!

    Yes AO, when I was a union official I had a sense of obligation far greater than I have to the work I do these days.

    Doesn’t actually sound like it … my commitment as a union rep was to my work mates … I did clash with the union officials a lot … Fuckwits™ all …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The problem is that in Unionland, unions are merely pathways to power and wealth for middle-class tossers spewed out of our Universities these days.

    Not “upper-class” like you, sb, I think your slip is showing … Winston …

    If you can’t work that out you shouldn’t be commenting on politics.

    More patronising arrogance …

    None of them did because, at heart, they are all as rotten as Thomson.

    How do you know … give us the evidence for that sweeping statement …

    Unlike Liberals … some of us believe in the rule of law … that doesn’t mean we don’t “think” a person is guilty or innocent … it just has to be proved in court …

    Leftists are just attention-seeking kids who have never grown up. They are too stupid and too morally vacant to ever experience regret. Being a leftist means never having to say sorry.

    Same observation could be applied to all the catliks I know … most of them vote Liberal …

    Thompson looks and sounds like an arsehole to me and I’ve met a few … luckily I’ve seen and been involved in bringing aresholes in business down … on both sides of the fence …

    The bikies need to brought to heel and the feral union bosses … they need to be accountable for union members’ money now and in the future … destroying union organisations is NOT in the best interests of ordinary working families nor in fact the country … and our society … we do not want to go back to being feudal serfs …

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:46 am

    My tip is that we will shortly get 7.30 saying – ‘but, but, but…look at Kathy Jackson’, or something

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:51 am

    TB, maybe you should consider the difference in sense of commitment between being a part time local site delegate, and that which goes with choosing to be a full time union official.

  62. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:54 am

    “How do you know … give us the evidence for that sweeping statement …”

    There was, at the time, enough evidence to warrant parliament asking Thomson to explain himself. This has nothing to do with the legal standard of proof and everything to do with what we expect of our politicians. We are entitled to judge them by their actions. In this case not one ALP politician had the guts to call Thomson to account (and it would only have taken one). There was not one honest person among them. By not calling him to explain himself, by preferring to keep the numbers rather than act in the public interest they demonstrated that when it comes to parliamentary propriety they are Craig Thomson. Each one of them.

    “Unlike Liberals … some of us believe in the rule of law … that doesn’t mean we don’t “think” a person is guilty or innocent … it just has to be proved in court …”

    Yes. By your standard Eddie Obeid would still be in parliament.

  63. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:59 am

    “Yes. By your standard Eddie Obeid would still be in parliament.”

    ROFLMAO

    Very true

  64. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 11:04 am

    Bolt nails it:

    Why did the Gillard Government agree to the CFMEU’s demands and abolish the Australian Building and Construction Commission two years ago, and replace this watchdog with a much weaker body?

    It was an astonishlng decision. Mystifying, in fact. What pressure was brought to bear on Labor? What influences made Labor do something so against the national interest?

    The ABCC had been brilliantly successful in cracking down on lawlessness in the construction industry. Rogue unions – including the CFMEU – were heavily fined. Days lost to illegal strikes plummeted. Nearly 40 matters of possible criminal conduct including extortion, assaults and bribes were referred to police and other law enforcement agencies.

    The former ABCC head, John Lloyd, warned in 2012 what would follow with the weaker Fair Work Building Industry Inspectorate, given Labor had stripped it of coercive interviewing powers and slashed fines from $110,000 to $33,000.

    “The rule of law is now compromised beyond repair. Construction industry sources complain that the building unions are boasting that they are ‘back in control.’ They show no fear of, nor regard for, the new Fair Work Building Industry Inspectorate.”

    And so it proved.

  65. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 11:43 am

    Now his excuse is that there was no union policy against using his credit card for prostitutes.

    His defence is that Tom. His assertions in Parliament are unchallenged, and will remain so for the time being if he happens to win his case.

    Thompson, by not cross-examining or challenging the witnesses who state he attended brothels and bought sexual services is admitting that evidence in court.

    Yes, it is admitting it to the court process, but that does not equate to an admission of those facts.

    One must be very careful here to point out that, in this context, ‘admitted facts’ means facts admitted into the court for the purposes of the trial, and is not, as has been commonly misunderstood by many ‒ including most breathless media reports ‒ an admission by a party of doing an act.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/craig-thomson-trial-day-3-upon-the-admission-of-facts,6090

    Thomson had the right to challenge it, but did not.

    As explained in hte article, the cost of doing so is too high in this case.

    That evidence now stands on the court record unchallenged and, as such will be taken to be true.

    Only if he loses. If he wins, it is thrown out simply as allegations. The IA article, while quite biased and written with an extreme viepoint, does highlight much of this. If you can get past the attitude of the author, it does contain many pertinent points.

    So his action against Fairfax was a lie

    Again, there is no proof of that, only unchallenged evidence that may or may not win out in court. If he loses, then hw will be exposed as a liar. If he wins, it still remains uncontested, and I am sure there will be many who assume the evidence was right, and the outcome wrong.

  66. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 11:46 am

    JJ, its not the organisation its arseholes withing those organisations!

    Yes TB, it is. Unfortunately, the Union needs to be ever aware of this, and constantly looking for people like this. It looks like, if these allegations are correct, that they have failed in that

  67. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 11:49 am

    Bolt nails it:

    Yet misses it altogether. This began unfolding in 2011, and had been running for years prior to that. Right under the ABCC’s noses.

    They were too busy cramping down and arresting Union members to worry about the systematic rorting that was occurring and harming those very members that spread into almost every arm of construction, from the big companies to the union reps themselves.

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:03 pm

    “Yes, it is admitting it to the court process, but that does not equate to an admission of those facts.”

    That is exactly what it is. Thomson had the opportunity to challenge the witnesses in court. He did not. He doesn’t want to go down for perjury as well.

    Admission in a court of law is the most credible possible admission.

    Are you seriously suggesting that the evidence given by the prostitutes is not true?

    “As explained in the article, the cost of doing so is too high in this case.”

    The article is pure BS. The cost of challenging the facts is the cost of having Thomson’s barrister stand up in court and put it to the witness that she is mistaken and the cost of Thomson giving evidence that it was not he who attended the brothel and to give his alibi. That is not much of a cost. It does carry the downside risk that in doing so Thomson my perjure himself.

    Thomson has been careful not to state under oath that he did not use the services of prostitutes. He settled the Fairfax proceedings immediately before he was due to give sworn answers to interrogatories.

    I can see where you are going with this – you will still be in denial when the magistrate finds, as he now must, that Thomson used the services of prostitutes and paid for them with members’ funds. All that means is that you have absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

  69. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:15 pm

    when the magistrate finds, as he now must, that Thomson used the services of prostitutes and paid for them with members’ funds

    The only ruling the court needs to make is if the credit card had restrictions on it. As to defending the facts, if he defends one, he needs to defend them all, and, as the article stated, attempting to defend what is currently ones word against another is extremely expensive in the context.

    I am happy to await a decision, and then see where any further action might go.

    Admission in a court of law is the most credible possible admission.

    But he has not admitted anything in a court of law, he has allowed evidence to be admitted to a court of law. That is not the same thing Perhaps it is timely to reflect exactly what is being decided here. It is a Summary Judgement that is being decided, not the guilt or otherwise of individual pieces of evidence.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/jacksonville-55-media-run-the-line-against-craig-thomson,5539

  70. egg permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:16 pm

    Breaking Nooze

    ‘Tony Abbott berates national broadcaster, saying they should have a “rigorous commitment to truth”.

    SMH

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:20 pm

    “Only if he loses. If he wins, it is thrown out simply as allegations. “

    You are completely deluded. If Thomson gets off it will be because he had authority (say because paying for hookers is normal in Unionland and he could not be expected to know better). The admitted facts still stand.

  72. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:22 pm

    The admitted facts still stand.

    But they are not accepted facts. There is a distinction. They have allowed these facts to be admitted to court, they have not accepted that they are correct though.

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:24 pm

    “attempting to defend what is currently ones word against another is extremely expensive in the context.”

    Bullshit. Tell me what the expense is? All it takes is to put it to the witness that she is mistaken. You have no clue at all and you are compounding your cluelessness by resorting to a desperately biased website.

  74. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:29 pm

    All it takes is to put it to the witness that she is mistaken.

    To which they then would say no she isn’t, and off it goes, the lawyers loving it. And, in the context of this case, for no useful purpose, except to drag it out, and cost a hell of a lot more.

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:29 pm

    For the purposes of the trial, in a situation where Thomson’s liberty is at stake, he is prepared to admit that he used members’ funds to pay prostitutes. That is as good an admission as is possible. The fact that he is a dissembling fool who wants it both ways is beside the point. The fact that you have signed on to this bullshit argument shows how loyal you are, sacrificing the last shreds of your credibility for the sake of Unionland solidarity.

  76. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:30 pm

    You still haven’t explained the “extremely expensive” bit. And you can’t. It was just another lie.

  77. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:31 pm

    ‘Tony Abbott berates national broadcaster, saying they should have a “rigorous commitment to truth”.

    ABC – rigorous commitment to truth? GUFFAW!!

  78. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:32 pm

    he is prepared to admit that he used members’ funds to pay prostitutes

    Where did he admit that?

    You still haven’t explained the “extremely expensive” bit.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/01/28/union-officials-actively-involved-with-crims-bikie-gangs-drugs-and-corruption/#comment-42976

  79. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:37 pm

    I think I’ve made up my mind as to who out of “Misty” the Working Girl and Thommo is telling the truth.

    There does not seem to be too much to gain for a retired Working Girl to voluntarily temporarily return to memories of her previous career to give a sworn statement.

    You have to be seriously bent to believe a twisted scumbag like Thommo.

    And if by some miracle the Court finds he was authorised to use Union funds for Hookers then there would lay before us a single justification for a Royal Commission into the conduct of the entire Union movement.

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:38 pm

    “And, in the context of this case, for no useful purpose, except to drag it out, and cost a hell of a lot more.”

    This????? You have no idea, do you? That doesn’t explain a thing. It doesn’t take long to put it to a witness that she is mistaken, confused or lying. Nor does it take long for Thomson to assert that it wasn’t him and to give his alibi. The cost of doing that is trivial. However, the consequences of Thomson lying under oath are not. That is the real reason he will not challenge the very compelling evidence of multiple witnesses.

    “Where did he admit that?”

    By allowing the evidence that he did so to be admitted without demur on his part.

  81. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:43 pm

    I think I’ve made up my mind as to who out of “Misty” the Working Girl and Thommo is telling the truth.

    Trial by Media, always has an outcome.

    The cost of doing that is trivial.

    You haven’t been to court lately have you?

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:45 pm

    Thompson has chosen not challenge the statements of those that completely contradict his previous ‘explanations’. He’s allowed those statements to be admitted as evidence, straight through.

    Thompson is a bullshit artist. That much is clear regardless of whether he’s prosecuted.

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 12:48 pm

    “You haven’t been to court lately have you?”

    That is an answer??? I suppose in your universe it counts as a logical argument. But for the rest of us it is just sneer.

  84. Meta permalink
    January 29, 2014 1:07 pm

    (Sometimes I wonder about online insta-experts-at-everything; if it isn’t mundane astrogeophysics or generalised, ahistoric paleosocioanthropology, it’s the rules-of-rules-of-rules of law that fall under the penetrating surmise of infallible universal ‘logic’ and a kind of starry-eyed decisiveness.)

  85. January 29, 2014 1:18 pm

    Are we discussing ideology or rash generalizations that tar everybody with the same brush.?

    OK I have a few of my own.

    Judging TA and the Lazy bunch by the same parliamentary standards the little god of the gullible invoked, all liberal pollies are criminals,

    2/3 rds of corporate Australia are overpaid tax evading criminals,

    all priests are gay child molesters everyone that disagrees with anything the fiberal party spouts in their propaganda is a left wing tree hugging commo

    Every deluded zombie that voted for the fiberal fallacy is a fucktard….

    Seriously what absolute bullshit.

    Who was the brief supplied for for the slipper and Craig Thomson case? that friend of unions Gorge fucking bandis who has long fought for workers rights and book cases. If you applied the same standards for which Thomson is being persecuted …yes politically persecuted by hypocrites on high moral horses, 2/3 rds of the fiberal party members would be in the clink.

    Corruption is everywhere, its a fact of life, however in Australia its frowned upon as opposed to Indonesia the norm.

    Hey all you armature sea captains, FFS. A Navy cruiser don’t go into shallow water and it aint using a 100 dollar aldi depth sounder or gps. It has the most sophisticated navigation kit on the planet, that is not available to general shipping. If you are sticking up for Abbotts mistake lies ..look up gullible fucktard in the dictionary and apply in “liberal” amounts.

  86. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 1:32 pm

    I thought we were discussing Unionland corruption as recently revealed in the Fairfax press. Strangely, whenever the issue is raised, there seems to be no curiosity on the part of some. They don’t want to know if abolishing the ABCC had anything to do with it and they certainly don’t want a Royal Commission to get to the botttom of it. The ALP line seems to be “nothing to see here – the police can take care of it and we don’t have to worry. So now let’s talk about Abbott, Abbott, Abbott.

  87. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 1:36 pm

    That is an answer?

    To a ridiculous assertion, it was more than was warranted

    Everybody knows that lawyers and our court process is exorbitantly expensive. To try and claim otherwise is just ridiculous

    They don’t want to know if abolishing the ABCC had anything to do with it

    I did point out above that much of what was reported on 7.30 last night happened under their watch.

  88. Walrus permalink
    January 29, 2014 1:47 pm

    “A Navy cruiser don’t go into shallow water……………….”

    ROFLMAO

    1) It was not a “Navy Cruiser”

    2) The RAN does not have any Cruiser Class ships

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 1:49 pm

    “I did point out above that much of what was reported on 7.30 last night happened under their watch.”

    So the CMFEU wanted it abolished so it could be replaced with something more effective?

    “Everybody knows that lawyers and our court process is exorbitantly expensive.”

    The ALP certainly knows it. They have paid vast amounts to defend Shonky Thomson, most of it no doubt raised from workers. But in the scheme of this litigation, the cost of a few questions in cross-examination and some evidence in chief from Thomson is trivial. You have provided no evidence of any “exorbitant” expense.

  90. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 1:49 pm

    The RAN does not have any Cruiser Class ships

    Or sailors if you will believe Tony Abbotts excuses for the incursions on Indonesians waters

    It was the wind/tide/waves? Really?

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 1:52 pm

    The real problem is that our sailors were too busy torturing refugees to keep track of where the boat was. Just ask the ABC.

  92. Meta permalink
    January 29, 2014 1:55 pm

    (Why, asks Bolt?

    “….Nearly 40 matters of possible criminal conduct including extortion, assaults and bribes were referred to police and other law enforcement agencies.

    The former ABCC head, John Lloyd, warned in 2012 what would follow with the weaker Fair Work Building Industry Inspectorate, given Labor had stripped it of coercive interviewing powers and slashed fines from $110,000 to $33,000.

    The rule of law is now compromised beyond repair. ….”

    And yet, the curious curiously remain uncurious about a range of possible responses.

    What did any others think of an unusual statutory not-court with coercive and referral powers, for instance?)

  93. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 2:04 pm

    coercive interviewing powers …….The rule of law is now compromised beyond repair. ….

    It certainly sounds like it reading bold.

    The former ABCC head, John Lloyd, warned in 2012 what would follow

    This sounds almost as if he was aware of this happening all the time under him?

  94. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 2:12 pm

    Meanwhile, after just giving Tony Abbott the fuel he needs to keep the Union bashing going for another term, Tony Abbott then turns around and tells the ABC with wtte to “get on our side”.

    I wonder if we all those who railed about the Finkelstein media inquiry and it’s supposed attack on free speech will be so vocal now?

  95. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 2:26 pm

    “This sounds almost as if he was aware of this happening all the time under him?”

    You must be right. He is probably on the take from the CFMEU ….. or you are Unionland stooge. Mmmmm, which could it be?

    “What did any others think of an unusual statutory not-court with coercive and referral powers, for instance?)”

    We have a range of these. ICAC is a good example. They are good for shining light in dark places. Unionland maggots hate them, for obvious reasons.

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2014 2:33 pm

    Tony Abbott berates national broadcaster, saying they should have a “rigorous commitment to truth”.

    ABC – rigorous commitment to truth? GUFFAW!!

    GUFFAW! Indeed … I know who should be more rigorous and with more than the truth … a national news carrier who didn’t broadcast the stories mentioned in the article linked … would be castigated around the world not by the (GUFFAW!) Prime Minister …

    The PM is executing the messenger for relaying the story … it shows the patronising arrogance of Liberal governments … Menzies could feed the sheep – this is 2014 …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbott-accuses-abc-of-working-against-aust/story-e6frfku9-1226812818671

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 2:33 pm

    “I wonder if we all those who railed about the Finkelstein media inquiry and it’s supposed attack on free speech will be so vocal now?”

    You really don’t get it, do you? There is a difference between a government star chamber designed to enforce the government’s will on all media from the blogs to Newspapers and a request from the PM for the ABC to stop stabbing the country in the back after it has repeatedly tried to foment hostility with Indonesia.

    The simplest thing to do is to sell the ABC. It is not the role of government to pay leftist fucktards to lie to me.

  98. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 2:47 pm

    It is not the role of government to pay leftist fucktards to lie to me

    True, they are impinging on Murdochs sacred territory if they do that.

  99. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 2:49 pm

    I have a feeling the prime minister didn’t really want a fight with the ABC, but he’s under increasing pressure from inside his partyroom and from News Corp (which wants the ABC out of digital publishing and out of international broadcasting) and from the rightwing culture warriors to Do Something because they miss the cold war.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/29/in-the-case-of-the-coalition-v-the-abc-feelpinions-have-become-evidence?CMP=twt_gu

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 2:54 pm

    Actually the ABC is impinging on Fairfax’s territory. Unlike Fairfax, Murdoch offers its audience a different point of view to bog-leftist crap on the ABC. Just look at this monumentally stupid Fairfax ad – We’re just like the ABC with advertising!

  101. public toilet permalink
    January 29, 2014 3:02 pm

    It’s more pertinent to observe that the ABC makes the government look ugly…not the whole country.

    No wonder Abbot & his fellow travelers are squealing.

  102. egg permalink
    January 29, 2014 3:08 pm

    ‘…and tells the ABC with wtte to “get on our side”.

    He just wants the truth and not watermelon propaganda.

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 3:18 pm

    Not just the government. The ABC slandered Australian naval personnel on the basis of no credible evidence and no fact-checking. They were too interested in stirring up trouble and hatred to offer any kind of balanced reporting on the issue.

  104. Meta permalink
    January 29, 2014 3:38 pm

    (Or, the ABC just reported claims made, on a matter of some little public interest, because they got bored with the ‘he said-she said’ churnalism so characteristic of the msm of late. And now, now that Aunty has resumed regular broadcasting, they’re probably reporting something like ‘Former Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says…that the Australian people feel that sport, and/or sporting analogies, better belong on the front-page than that politicky stuff’ or ‘Oi, oi, oi stop sledging Team Australia’.)

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 4:04 pm

    Looks like the ABC did their fact-checking after they alleged Australian navy personnel were torturers, when they belatedly sent emails to navy personnel seeking more facts. Disgraceful.

  106. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 4:12 pm

    Miranda Devine speaks the truth:

    For all its footage of blistered hands, the ABC doesn’t even believe its own story, judging by the entry posted on the Refugee Rights Action Network’s Facebook page by Alison Branley from the ABC’s “National Reporting Team”:

    “I have been tasked with finding some navy personnel who might be willing to speak to us (about) the story our Jakarta guy ran on the asylum seekers burns claims. My boss feels the allegations are likely to be untrue …”
    …..
    The story was never plausible. It was uncharacteristic of Australian culture and inconsistent with 100 years of Australian military history. In fact, the Australian sailors applied first aid to the asylum seekers’ blistered hands. And by the time they boarded the boat the engine was already cold, says Australia Defence Association executive director Neil James.

    The most likely scenario is the asylum seekers tampered with the engine and burned themselves in the process.
    ……..

    Demonising defence personnel has a long tradition for the Left. During WWII and the Vietnam War, Australia’s unions sabotaged our troops. Wharfies vandalised equipment, robbed troop ships and refused to load supplies.

  107. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 4:20 pm

    Here is what a senior CMFEU official said to the whistleblower:

    “You’ve gone too far this time, you fat c***. You’re dead, you’re f****** dead. Don’t care how many police you’ve got. I’m coming out tomorrow and you are **** dead. Bang.”

    Ain’t things grand in Unionland?

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2014 4:44 pm

    SB, people in business say that kind if thing to one another all the time.

    Just ask a union barracker because they’d know

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 4:50 pm

    Even Thomson’s barrister admits he lied:

    Prosecutor Lesley Taylor, SC, closed her submission by telling the court Mr Thomson had incriminated himself by lying about his conduct in media interviews.

    But Mr James said those interviews were done at a time his client was trying to save his marriage, parliamentary career and public image, and that Mr Thomson could not have known the transcripts would be used against him years later as evidence in a criminal trial.

  110. January 29, 2014 5:10 pm

    Gee sorry i’m not exactly an expert on naval vessels, nor do I claim to be.. So if I used the wrong name for a fucking uber hugh tech multi million dollar boat full of supposed professional seamen that apparently cant find where the 12 mile limit …gee, i’m sorry.

    Navy…bound by secrecy guided by proven incompetent liars….

    Abbott is congratulating the ABC yesterday for exposing corruption that fits with his ideological agenda but thinks that it doesn’t back Australia when reporting actual truthful news that is a odds with his propaganda

    I would suggest that anyone sticking up for Abbott should wait five minutes to see where he is in five minutes time as this fucktard is all over the shop..he is an a grade loon.

    Splatter, quoting Miranda Divine and Bolt? there’s a punchline right?

    Prediction…Thomson gets off with a slap on the wrist, the case is a political ponzi posse…

    Splatter seems to think everyone in a union is a bent thug just as I consider anyone who could with any semblance of sanity vote for Abbott, then stick up for him, its beyond ridiculous.

    Just a little fact You may want to consider…. Lend Lease is one of the top 10 donors to the Fiberal Party..interesting

  111. egg permalink
    January 29, 2014 5:33 pm

    ‘And now, now that Aunty has resumed regular broadcasting,’

    Its more likely that aunty became red faced after the torture allegations proved bogus and decided to do a double act with Fairfax to get them out of trouble with the public.

    Abbott will use aunty’s covert attack on the navy to question the organisation’s veracity on climate change reporting. Its a sleeper now but can be resurrected later if required.

  112. January 29, 2014 5:38 pm

    lf it were up to me yomm,

    all corruption/crime whether, church, corporate, govt/minister, union, charity, ngo, awb, or citizen would face much, much tougher penalties, (40-years seems to work),

    and would be policed with rigor, by iron-toothed watch-dogs

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 5:49 pm

    “Abbott is congratulating the ABC yesterday for exposing corruption that fits with his ideological agenda”

    It was actually Fairfax that did the investigative work on the CMFEU. There are some good old-fashioned journos still left there. They also did the hard yards on Thomson.

    “Splatter, quoting Miranda Divine and Bolt? there’s a punchline right?”

    The punchline was to see whether people would play the man or the ball. Both quotes had interesting facts in them.

    “Splatter seems to think everyone in a union is a bent thug “

    Nah. There are plenty of good people out there like, say, Joe de Bruyn. There are also a lot of other ambitious grubs just serving time and hoping to end up with a good sinecure.

    But I would like to see better reporting requirements and better policing of that sector.

    And I rarely stick up for Abbott, although a lot of the attacks on him are bordering on the unhinged.

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2014 5:50 pm

    … a request from the PM for the ABC to stop stabbing the country in the back after it has repeatedly tried to foment hostility with Indonesia.

    It was no request – more like a Tony Tantrum …

    … the ABC hasn’t “stabbed the country in the back” it did its job like any other newsroom around the world … had they not reported the stories other newsrooms would have become most curious about the ABC …

    … as for for “fomenting trouble with Indonesia” – any logical, objective person would argue that Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison and Julie Bishop had done a good job of that BEFORE the ABC reported it …

    Miranda Devine speaks the truth:

    erm, she just repeated what an ABC journo said …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    SB, people in business say that kind if thing to one another all the time.

    Strangely enough, ToM …. maybe you’ve operated in genteel circles …;-) and I don’t agree/condone it … in fact I fired a bloke for it!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Prosecutor Lesley Taylor, SC, closed her submission by telling the court Mr Thomson had incriminated himself by lying about his conduct in media interviews.

    So justice will be served … one day …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Its a sleeper now but can be resurrected later if required.

    Demonstrates a nice little thought process there, egg …

    Whatever happened to honesty and openness in government … or anywhere else for that matter …

    Have you noticed how people who lie, cheat, steal and deceive always blame someone else whether corrupt union boss, bank manager (should we have a royal commission on banks?), or misguided politician …

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2014 5:52 pm

    And I rarely stick up for Abbott, although a lot of the attacks on him are bordering on the unhinged.

    So the last two or three weeks have been rare occurrence then? 😆

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 29, 2014 6:11 pm

    It is mainly that the attacks on Abbott have been trivial or for the wrong reasons. I really don’t think his goodies/baddies remark was that bad. It captured the essence of the situation in Syria in somewhat simplistic terms. The West should never have gotten involved.

    What I have noted is a desire to foment hysteria about the Indonesian relationship, but I have yet to see Abbott do anything as stupid as Joe Ludwig did with the live cattle trade. People are fretting that he may actually stop the boats. It is driving them nuts.

    Abbott is very much a least worst choice as PM. I tried hard to like Rudd, but he was an arrogant blithering idiot by the end of the campaign. And it was Rudd who would have authorised the spying on Indonesia.

  117. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 29, 2014 6:37 pm

    What did any others think of an unusual statutory not-court with coercive and referral powers, for instance?)

    I thought it was a kangaroo court meta [nice to see you again!]

    Tony Abbott declares government scrutiny by the ABC to be unpatriotic, “if you’re not behind us all the way your unaustrayen”. Everything he says and everything he does should be accepted as told, without question and preferably with a salute. How dare the ABC create a FactChecker unit pointing out things like seeking asylum is not illegal and that some navy personnel have made racist remarks on facebook it’s just plain treasonous. Someone should hang for that.

    There’s only so much manipulation the general public is prepared to take and abbott is straining all credibility now with his call to drongoism.

    I hope the ABC refuses to be cowered into submission by such cowardly and [might i say] unaustrayen attacks on its good character by a murdoch appointed lackey/PM repaying outstanding IOUs.

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2014 6:49 pm

    Does anyone still argue that affiliation with unions is good for the ALP and progressive politics?

  119. January 29, 2014 6:58 pm

    So let me get this right… Reports of asylum seekers being tortured is not news? This has nothing to do with weather it is factual, that is a matter for further investigation. This is the stuff that is a Murdoch wet dream (you know that guy who is not fit to run a paper in England..remember him). So union corruption is all good and worthy of a royal commission irrespective of litigation but the ABC is remiss in doing its job as a news organisation? On that premise 75% of the lies that elected this lying twirp in the News Ltd rags don’t measure up. This government are acting more like dictators every day..mandate my ass.

    And Splatter get you “Facts” correct and not so right..It was a joint investigation between Fairfax and the ABC. Like most industries there are shit out there, most unionists like my late father do a selfless job with few rewards if they have no delusions of a carer path to polly.

    Abbott is unhinged, he is a loony with a litany of consistent failures based upon lies spun for ideology. His is 100% anti union and has made it his lifes purpose to crush the union movement..end of story. This government will set out to finish what Howard started.

    As TB so apty points out this is not isolated. moreover the norm with this Bob Santamaria tyke twat.

  120. January 29, 2014 7:01 pm

    ”””””””’I hope the ABC refuses to be cowered into submission”””””””

    Too Late armchair.

    over at my abc they have been cowering for quite a while now,

    the new `top-banana` won`t change this, he was quite timid at the press club

  121. January 29, 2014 7:15 pm

    ”””””””””So let me get this right, Reports of asylum seekers being tortured is not news?”””””””

    Correct. Have you already forgotten our approval of kidnapping and torturing and killing as we goose-stepped along to George-W`s tune.?
    .
    .
    ””””””””””Abbott is unhinged, he is a loony with a litany of consistent failures based upon lies spun for ideology. His is 100% anti union”””””’

    Correct, and our teabag nation made Mr-Rabbit Prime-Meddler, suck it up Pinko, you know we need to invade Syria.

  122. egg permalink
    January 29, 2014 7:22 pm

    ‘had they not reported the stories other newsrooms would have become most curious about the ABC …’

    Seven had the story a week before and rejected the evidence as unreliable. Aunty should have done the same.

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2014 7:28 pm

    Remember when barrackers got so upset and defensive (to the point of banning/censorship) for innocuous comments like – “Thompson has a case to answer”

    Now the FACT is that Thompson admits what was alleged, his excuses-

    • He didn’t want offend his wife Maybe his wife was entitled to be offended by his behaviour)
    • He was concerned about his political career (maybe he wouldn’t have had to worry so much if he hadn’t misappropriated the money that belonged to lowly paid people)

    Regardless of his guilt or otherwise, the FACT is that Thompson is now a proven liar. The ALP barrackers have proven to be deliberately duped or just dishonest.

    Will there be a retraction by the CW crowd?

  124. January 29, 2014 7:28 pm

    There’s no doubt in my mind that conflating the public image of the Australian Federal Government with ‘the whole country’ is pure political crapchucking.

    It’s meant to (and likely will) appeal to the hordes of dumbfuck jingosturbating patriots who’d rather skin their pets than be mistaken as ‘unAustralian’ (whatever the fuck that empty rhetoric is supposed to mean in the post-Howard era).

    I utterly reject the implication, made by the government, that any media outlet, public or otherwise, should be chastised for disseminating information which may reflect poorly on said government (of the day, or days past).
    Hiding behind the flag is cynical & transparent. It’s supposed to preclude future ’embarassments’. The current lot are already too far down the path of ‘the public has no right to know what we’re doing’.

    The Federal Government is elected to manage the fucking joint prudently. They certainly don’t speak for or genuinely represent the length & breadth of ‘the whole country’ when they carry on as above.

    How fucking predictable that Abbott would be out their slandering Snowden as a traitor. Once again, that terminology purely depends upon your point of reference. A ‘traitor’ to the US government, perhaps…the entire country of citizens? not so much. In fact, he lifted the lid on what their ‘esteemed’ government was perpetrating upon its own population.
    Hardly surprising then that Abbott calls a spade a hammer.

  125. January 29, 2014 7:34 pm

    No, YomM, of course there won’t be a retraction.

    Take solace in the fact that they’ve at least clandestinely read your words, ruminated upon their misdeeds and then neatly compartmentalised themselves back into boring lockstep.

    I am a member of a different division of the Union which is under scrutiny. I do not endorse the criminality by any means. It is inexcusable.
    I can (as I’m sure can you) still recognise that a fair part of the current crescendo of screeching is attributable more to the Coalition trying to permanently undermine its only numerically considerable political rival than genuine concern or legitimate moral outrage.

    Having said that, I see no credible reason to resist a construction industry watchdog with actual fangs.

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2014 7:43 pm

    Does anyone still argue that affiliation with unions is good for the ALP and progressive politics?

    Yes .. but they have to be cleaned up …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In fact, he lifted the lid on what their ‘esteemed’ government was perpetrating upon its own population.
    Hardly surprising then that Abbott calls a spade a hammer.

    Agree, Ser T, and fancy the President “changing the rules” because of what a “traitor” did …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    RP

    Reports of asylum seekers being tortured is not news?

    “Alleged” … and the RAN has been put into an invidious position by the GOVERNMENT of the day … amateurs in the extreme … everything they touch has been a disaster – particularly on the world stage – and predicted …

    Now Noddy Newman’s high school Attorney General is calling for the proposed Royal Commission to be extended to Queensland building sites … even though the Master Builders are saying “what for?”

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    January 29, 2014 7:51 pm

    Master Builders Queensland executive director Grant Galvin told 612 ABC Brisbane he was also unaware of cases involving the sort of corrupt conduct under investigation in the southern states occurring in Queensland, but “unlawful industrial activity” was an issue.

    However he does talk about “unlawful industrial activity” … because of the law … 🙄

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/jarrod-bleijie-wants-construction-probe-to-include-queensland-20140129-31mp5.html

    Funny how news.com.au isn’t quite as forthcoming in their clipped story …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/attorneygeneral-jarrod-bleijie-wants-any-royal-commission-into-unions-to-cover-queensland/story-fnii5v6w-1226812935780

  128. January 29, 2014 7:55 pm

    ” the RAN has been put into an invidious position by the GOVERNMENT of the day”

    Indeed.

    The services have been made a political tool without the option of dissent, abnegation or repudiation.

    It’s ‘their job’, I suppose, and the government is sure exploiting the apparatus’ code of operational secrecy.

    It’s no wonder that all kinds of scandals are postulated when the freeflow of information (within reason) is choked.

  129. January 29, 2014 7:57 pm

    The Red Viper of Dorne will be upon us soon, TB. S4 approaches…

  130. January 29, 2014 8:19 pm

    Reheated Teabag, It is as someone with a bit of experience in such matters, if one of my journo’s come to me with that story I would be obligated to report it prefaced by “allegations” just as the Prime Moronister intervening is news.

    He once called himself a journalist (another failed career choice as he obviously has not read Benays Propaganda and does not know the difference) PS my family fled Poland so respectfully fuck off.

    ITom how id Thomson a liar..prostitutes? No Porn? a movies in his hotel room.. what he is admitting to has gone from what 300 down to 30 at which they will argue the toss on a technicality. I used to use my company credit card for all sorts of shit and pay back for stuff that was over and above.

    What the Craig Thomson caper isnt a Banis stitch up..FFS, it should never have seen court…BANDIS WRITE THE BRIEF!!!!! HELLO

    These fucktards are crying poor, emergency and bankrolling cases and RC’s just to push their ideology… fuck me its beyond pathetic. I have an idea instead of “Marriage Counseling” how about they just belt every twat that voted to install this Goose stepping concrete plant pillock over the head with their own wallet till they see the sense of reality. He is a fucking Loon

  131. January 29, 2014 8:20 pm

    whoops orgoyt to cnl X too angry with stupidity 🙄

  132. January 29, 2014 8:26 pm

    the teabags will be hammering away for a rc investigation into `union` law-breaking, it should begin straight after the `awb`, `iraq`, `slipper`, and `ashby` investigations

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 29, 2014 8:29 pm

    You didn’t mention that to us that when you reported on the court case tomM. Why is one before the courts and the other not? Just because jackson didn’t use the money she stole from members for prostitutes doesn’t make her any less guilty or more moral in my eyes shock…horror…PROSTITUTES! 😯

  134. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 8:50 pm

    Now the FACT is that Thompson admits what was alleged

    I haven’t been following this afternoon. Do you have the source for that?

    Why is one before the courts and the other not?

    I shoed further up this thread where Jackson’s testimony exposed her lying on 7.30 about receiving payments for child care.

    No one here seems to care, it’s all about titillation, and pretending claims made in court are apparently indisputable FACTS, when even the defendant clealry says they are just “circumstantial”

  135. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 8:52 pm

    armchair opinionator, good to see some of the news outlets finally come out and defend their trade. They have been in hibernation for several years.

  136. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2014 8:55 pm

    I didn’t realise Kathy Jackson was in parliament. I hadn’t noticed her in the house of representatives denying misusing union member’s money.

    Thompson (via his barrister) has now admitted that he did what was alleged, but that it isn’t a criminal offence.

    Fine, that only makes him a liar, and makes his defenders either liars or wilfully ignorant.

  137. egg permalink
    January 29, 2014 9:00 pm

    More than half the respondents in that Age poll think aunty is acting outside her charter.

  138. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 9:04 pm

    Thompson (via his barrister) has now admitted that he did what was alleged

    As I said Tom, I would like to see the actual claim there, as so much of what is happening in this court case has been twisted in hte media to imply other than what it is

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 29, 2014 9:07 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/29/in-the-case-of-the-coalition-v-the-abc-feelpinions-have-become-evidence?CMP=soc_568

    pistolpeteozzie Bluetwo
    29 January 2014 2:53am

    And who promised transparency & accountability?
    Doesn’t have the guts, skill or intellect to debate on the national broadcaster.
    Instead he snipes from the side using his boof head friends at News and shock jocks.
    What a fucking gutless lying shit head hypocrite Australia has for a PM.
    The worst we have ever had. The worst PM in the history of the Westminster system anywhere in the world…

  140. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 29, 2014 9:13 pm

    I didn’t realise Kathy Jackson was in parliament.

    She put herself in the limelight when she went on 7.30 and lied to the nation while trying to smear someone else.

  141. egg permalink
    January 29, 2014 9:17 pm

    ‘Governments are in the propaganda business. News organisations are in the cut-through-the-propaganda business.’

    Murphy got no idea, aunty has been in the propaganda business for a couple of decades.

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 29, 2014 9:18 pm

    I didn’t realise Kathy Jackson was in parliament. I hadn’t noticed her in the house of representatives denying misusing union member’s money.

    Makes no difference to me tomM, parliament is full of people pretending to be decent human beings. Weren’t you dotpointing about character before?

    I’m pretty sure that to the members, splitting hairs about when, where, how or who still feels the same, they was robbed.

  143. Tony permalink
    January 29, 2014 9:22 pm

    The ABC finds a friendly witness and cross-pollinates …

  144. January 29, 2014 9:22 pm

    Abbott is simply a lightweight. Not very bright. Fortunately, he has a strong ‘do nothing’ bias, which reduces the opportunities for him to stuff things up.
    Lownico – Melbourne – January 29, 2014, 4:49PM
    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbotts-abc-outburst-sits-uneasily-with-ideals-of-a-robust-democracy-20140129-31mdl.html#poll

    The Board of Directors don’t like him but he was the best of a bad lot for the very reasons you nominate – not very bright and “do nothing” on his own – apart from occasionally forgetting and [very slowly] shooting his mouth off. Was he the candidate who forgot the 6 points of the Stop the Boats Plan?
    Christopher * Watershipdownunder * January 29, 2014, 5:03PM

    ha ha teabags 🙂

  145. January 29, 2014 9:37 pm

    In the Age you say? Interesting poll..How about a poll that asks have you read the ABC charter? Who in this thread out of interest has actually read the ABC charter?

    In another statement, a brothel madam told police she raised concerns when she became aware a client was using a union credit card to pay for the brothel’s services.

    She said one $2,475 account under the name “Craig Thomson Health Services Union” caught her eye.

    “I didn’t know what this Union Card was, so I said to (the receptionist) to make sure whatever name it is that they check the ID of the person that was using the card,”

    she said in her witness statement. “I don’t have any proof that it is (Craig Thomson) except for his signature on the voucher.”

  146. January 29, 2014 9:39 pm

    ”””””’dotpointing about character before?”””””

    it is easier than `developing` character

  147. January 29, 2014 9:44 pm

    ”””’Who in this thread out of interest has actually read the ABC charter?”””’

    Have you Ricky.?

    Charter is not online as far as l`m aware, will read it, if it is.
    (l`ve read the codes of conduct, etc, that is online.)

  148. January 29, 2014 9:49 pm

    #Funny

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:01 pm

    Makes no difference to me tomM, parliament is full of people pretending to be decent human beings. Weren’t you dotpointing about character before?

    I might have high expectations of the behaviour and ethics of union officials, but it takes it to a new level when a union official-

    • Uses his members funds for illicit personal expenses
    • Uses his position as a union leader to gain a seat in parliament
    • Lies to parliament about his activities

    Thompson is in a different league to Jackson, but I’m entirely happy for her to be prosecuted too.

  150. January 29, 2014 10:29 pm

    Absolutely… I had to and all the policies and the ACMA toothless rules of no rules….
    its in The ABC act article 6 and 6a
    http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2013C00136/Html/Text#_Toc353360751

  151. egg permalink
    January 29, 2014 10:30 pm

    ‘There are many consequences of being a pathological liar. Due to lack of trust, most pathological liars’ relationships and friendships fail. If the disease continues to progress, lying could become so severe as to cause legal problems, including but not limited to fraud.

    ‘Psychotherapy appears to be one of the only methods to treat a person suffering from pathological lying.’

    wiki

  152. January 29, 2014 10:35 pm

    Thats my point all this posturing and pontification about the ABC charter and nobody has read it, yet they publish poles on it. I bet Abbott, Bernardi or any of those fizzing catherine wheels have even bothered,

  153. January 29, 2014 10:45 pm

    Yeah Egg

  154. January 29, 2014 10:46 pm

  155. January 29, 2014 11:17 pm

    ”””’The ABC act article 6 and 6a””””
    http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2013C00422/Html/Text#_Toc364342756
    About this compilation

    The compiled Act

    This is a compilation of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation Act 1983 as amended and in force on 29 June 2013. It includes any amendment affecting the compiled Act to that date.

    This compilation was prepared on 1 August 2013.
    (still sections 6, + 6a)

    .
    .
    thanks a lot Ricky, wonderful 🙂

    (you might like to update your bookmarks with link above)
    YOUR compilation was prepared on 8 April 2013.

  156. egg permalink
    January 30, 2014 7:03 am

    “In relation to the navy, (the ABC has) given credence to the idea that the navy may well have tortured people … 99 per cent of Australians would think that’s highly unlikely.”

    Maurice Newman

  157. egg permalink
    January 30, 2014 7:06 am

    ‘THE ABC’s $223 million Australia Network Asian broadcasting service is likely to be scrapped in the May budget to save money and end the pursuit of “soft diplomacy” in the region through television. Federal cabinet has already discussed the option of dropping the ABC’s contract to broadcast Australian news and entertainment in the region, with the Government Solicitor providing advice on the ramifications of stripping the ABC of its 10-year contract.’

    Oz

  158. January 30, 2014 8:08 am

    And you think this is a good thing Egg?

  159. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 8:18 am

    • Uses his members funds for illicit personal expenses
    • …………….
    • Lies to parliament about his activities

    I could ask again Tom if you are able to detail a specific case where it has been proven that there has been a lie in Parliament, or if he used members funds for illicit personal expenses, because I’m looking, but I’m not able to yet find it.

    I’ll help you with a link to his speech in Parliament

    http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=prostitutes%20Dataset%3Ahansardr,hansards,hansardr80,hansards80%20%28%28SpeakerId%3AHVZ%29%20|%20%28ResponderId_Phrase%3AHVZ%29%29%20Date%3A01%2F01%2F2007%20%3E%3E%2031%2F12%2F2013;rec=0;resCount=Default

  160. January 30, 2014 8:18 am

  161. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 30, 2014 8:19 am

    Nice video Ricky. Reminds me that listening to good music is far more fun than political squabbles. Particularly when we all basically agree that the corruption in the CFMEU should be rooted out, even if it goes to the highest levels as is now being alleged. I think I’ll shut up for a while now on this issue (sets watch to see how long this can last).

  162. egg permalink
    January 30, 2014 8:25 am

    ‘And you think this is a good thing Egg?’

    Yea.

  163. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 8:42 am

    ‘THE ABC’s $223 million Australia Network Asian broadcasting service is likely to be scrapped in the May budget to save money and end the pursuit of “soft diplomacy” in the region through television.

    How many broken election promises would this make?

    “No cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SBS.”

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/09/06/no-cuts-abc-or-sbs-abbott

  164. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 8:44 am

    Oops, just saw the video Ricky, beat me to it.

    Like his previous lies, this will not get hung about his neck like the Carbon Tax did with Gillard, mainly because the media just accept his denials and move on.

  165. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 9:09 am

    Are you serious JJ?

    He told parliament- ‘I didn’t do it’

    His defence is- ‘There was no written policy saying I couldn’t do it’

  166. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 9:28 am

    Correct and Correct Tom

    Yet, I asked you to show where it is PROVEN that he used the card for what you claimed.

    I don’t think he is denying using the card to buy icecreams, or even flights for his then wife.

    Yet he continues to deny that he used it to personally use for escort services. And there is no proven evidence to either support or deny this.

    It is a travesty of justice, as we will probably never know.

    It makes you wonder why the prosecution could be so detailed and pedantic over each and every salacious accusation, even going to the extremes of having brothel owners shipped in instead of simply getting a statement, and yet completely botch the basic precept of the case so badly. It does make you wonder if the entire aim was simply to get as many dirty accusations against him in a barrage of accusations but without any real hope of winning.

    It is going to be left with unanswered questions. Would it not have been better to have gone through with the original case where he was going to defend himself against the hooker claims, instead of over whelming the defense with so many charges that they took the simplest and cheapest route out, that the claims, which they do not accept, yet allowed in court anyway, did not impact on his case.

    So, I will ask again Tom, for hopefully the last time, if you are able to detail a specific case where it has been proven that there has been a lie in Parliament, or if he used members funds for illicit personal expenses

  167. January 30, 2014 9:39 am

    Tom lets be clear….He hasn’t admitted to Prostitutes, He is still saying he didn’t do it.. They are saying they have what appears to be a signature, which has not been verified and the written testimony of an anonymous Madame. So the onus is on the prosecution to prove it. He has admitted to everything else.

  168. egg permalink
    January 30, 2014 9:50 am

    ‘How many broken election promises would this make?’

    Those are only fibs, not pathological lying.

  169. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 9:52 am

    So the onus is on the prosecution to prove it.

    Exactly, and the prosecution chose not to proceed with that, but instead to charge him with so many ridiculous charges in a case that they have mismanaged so badly that you can only see it getting thrown out for incompetence.

    Which of course will be ripe ground for more gossip and innuendo. It is almost as if this was their design in the first place. It has been a crucifixion by media, without any charges (to date) sticking, but many layers of mud.

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 9:53 am

    If any individual says-
    *I didn’t do it
    *I was set up by my political enemies
    *I know who did it
    *I’m looking forward to the opportunity to clear my name

    Then they don’t stick with that line when given the opportunity, then (in my humble opinion) they’re a bullshit artist.

    Thompson has gone from saying ‘it’s all a set up’ to ‘I’m not contesting that it was me’

    It’s odd that you don’t see this as a sign of a lying, sleazy bullshit artist.

  171. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 9:54 am

    Those are only fibs, not pathological lying.

    pathological fibbing?

  172. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 9:58 am

    So, your evidence then Tom is, in your words, “my humble opinion”

    Did you get your law degree from The Castle?

  173. egg permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:05 am

    ‘pathological fibbing?’

    He meant what he said at the time, but when he saw the books he had little choice but go back on his word.

  174. Walrus permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:05 am

    Well well well…………………it looks like the Lefties hero Thommo might just get off after all.

    Sydney Radio interviews with various lawyers are claiming the Victorian Police have charged him incorrectly by charging him with trying to defraud Diner’s and Visa rather than the HSU. If it is wrong for all the charges then the Prosecution has a major problem on its hands.

    What sort of idiots run prosecutions in Victoria ?

    A teenager could have done better.

    Community outrage if he gets off will be enormous

  175. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:10 am

    Perhaps you could explain how he can make a range of assertions in parliament and in the media, about it being some form of conspiracy, state that he knows who has “set him up”, and that he is looking for the opportunity to clear his name.

    Then when provided with the very opportunity, he declines to contest the evidence to the contrary or to run any form of defence to the actual allegation?

    His excuse to all the expenditure is that there was no union policy saying he couldn’t do it.

    Do you notice any difference between what he said in parliament and what he is now saying?

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:12 am

    Getting off on a technicality is hardly vindication of his behaviour or the diametrically opposed excuses he has offered

  177. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:15 am

    Perhaps you could explain how …….

    Read back up Tom, I have explained this yesterday. The short of it is, the cost involved. You have of course read where Thomson is almost bankrupt now, haven’t you?

  178. January 30, 2014 10:21 am

    “You have of course read where Thomson is almost bankrupt now”

    Relevance factor?

    I take it you’re familiar with the fact that Thomson denied that he had used credit cards to pay for escort services in a televised interview with Laurie Oakes…. last year?

    “It wasn’t me” he declared!!

    Now he says it was him after all..

    And yet people like you still defend this filthy money rorting piece of scumbag filth!

  179. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:24 am

    ” the Victorian Police have charged him incorrectly by charging him with trying to defraud Diner’s and Visa rather than the HSU.”

    Yes i saw that. But i find it hard to believe that the prosecution is so stupid. And how long did the FWA investigation take?? This whole thing has been on the go-slow from the beginning. I am not normally a conspiracy theorist but i am starting to wonder.

  180. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:29 am

    Getting off on a technicality

    He has been pursued for over three years by the best legal minds the liberals could come up with. If they cannot prove something, then I’ll just have to assume there is nothing to prove.

    Their very public and very politically motivated persecution has delivered more ridicule and derision to one individual than what a court could seek to apply to him should the assertions had ever been true to begin with.

    So me, I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and stick with what our legal fraternity can do and decide.

    I’ll leave the assumptions to others. My only assumption is innocent until proven guilty. Everything in between is pure speculation, which, granted, is much fun, but can be quite damaging to the individual involved.

    Now he says it was him after all..

    Reb, I’ll ask you, since Tom will not help out, where he has admitted to using his credit cards to pay for escort services. I have not seen this statement.

    I’ll put this up again as it words things better than I can

    If this writer recalls correctly from months ago in the very early stages of these proceedings, the magistrate was reportedly displeased that the prosecution and defence had not reached many agreements as to facts (a process like that set out in section 191 of the Evidence Act 2008 (Vic)) before this matter came into his court.

    Those types of issues are usually dealt with by pre-trial voir dire proceedings in the District and Supreme courts, but there is no provision for this process for summary trials in the magistrates’ courts.

    In this trial, however, the defence has agreed not to dispute the admission of certain facts that are virtually impossible to prove or disprove without a great deal of expense to the defence. As we have reported on IA previously, The costs involved in disputing or investigating some facts outweighs any value that the discovery of these facts would have in relation to defending these charges. A successful criminal prosecution on indictment requires evidence beyond reasonable doubt being presented to the judge of fact on all the physical elements of the charge, as well as the essential mental element — that the accused had a guilty state of mind.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/craig-thomson-trial-day-3-upon-the-admission-of-facts,6090

    This is also a relevant link

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/jacksonville-55-media-run-the-line-against-craig-thomson,5539

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:32 am

    Did Thompson bother to give sworn evidence, where he could explain his alternative explanation?

    Did you notice his barrister say- ‘he made all those excuses for political reasons and to save his marriage’?

    Do you think we are yet in a position to form some judgement about his character?

  182. January 30, 2014 10:33 am

    Tom (and Reb) I agree and yes the onus is on the prosecution to prove its case. You and I do not know the truth its all speculation and a rather flimsy case at this stage however I would not like to be in his position 😦 . Walrus, seiously mate fucky off, Thomson is no hero of mine or anyone else in the ALP. he is a right wing( let me repeat that so you get it through that impervious blubber around that pea sized brain RIGHT wing, from a RIGHT wing union..get it?

    One thing that is apparent regardless of Bandis and the Fiberals moral crusade for the poor people of the Union that they are trying to destroy, LIKE SLIPPER and the AWU furphy…THIS IS POLITICAL AND INITIATED BY BANDIS TO GAIN POLITICAL AND IDEOLOGICAL CAPITAL. IT IS ALSO ABOUT KATHY JACKSON AND HER BOYFRIEND THE 2IC OF FAIR WORK AUSTRALIA AND A MATE OF ABBOTT GAINING CONTROL OF THE UNION.

  183. January 30, 2014 10:39 am

    “Reb, I’ll ask you, since Tom will not help out, where he has admitted to using his credit cards to pay for escort services.”

    Defence barrister Greg James, QC….did not deny the transactions Mr Thomson is accused of making took place…”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/craig-thomsons-defence-uses-wording-to-fight-fraud-and-theft-charges-20140129-31n3u.html#ixzz2rpksg7IB

  184. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:40 am

    So we now have Wicks quoted as some type of authority on this!

    Hilarious.

    JJ, do you think people can yet form an opinion on the character of Thompson?

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:41 am

    He has been pursued for over three years by the best legal minds the liberals could come up with.

    So FWA is a Liberal outfit???

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/national-affairs/fair-work-australia-takes-action-against-craig-thomson-over-union-funds/story-fndsip4d-1226496362921#

    FAIR Work Australia has taken legal action against independent MP Craig Thomson, alleging he broke industrial laws and union rules in splurging hundreds of thousands dollars of union funds on prostitutes, spousal travel, and high living. “

  186. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:44 am

    JJ, do you think people can yet form an opinion on the character of Thompson?

    People can form whatever opinion they want. I asked you for proof for your assertion. I am waiting patiently.

    So FWA is a Liberal outfit?

    I didn’t say FWA was a liberal outfit, but ask yourself who wrote that report, and who put him in that position within FWA?

  187. January 30, 2014 10:48 am

    So the essence of the situation is this (for the benefit of those having difficulty keeping up)…

    For months now Thomson has insisted it wasn’t him who used his credit card to pay for prostitutes. His defence has been that someone must have stolen his credit cards (and his drivers licence to use as id), and then someone with an appearance strikingly similar to himself, but not actually himself paid for the services and then put his credit card and drivers licence back in his wallet (on several occasions) without him noticing.

    This has been his position up until recently.

    Now his position is, ok it was me, but I was allowed to.

    And yet there are still some of you goons who defend him…

    Honestly… 🙄

  188. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:56 am

    did not deny the transactions Mr Thomson is accused of making took place…

    …but also did not openly say his client had used union funds for personal expenses.

    .

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/craig-thomsons-defence-uses-wording-to-fight-fraud-and-theft-charges-20140129-31n3u.html#ixzz2rpoGJt9h

    The links to IA above detail the reasoning behind this.

    In other words Reb, you cannot provide a place where Thomson has admitted to the these accusations.

  189. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 10:57 am

    Now his position is, ok it was me, but I was allowed to.

    Read my last post above Reb. he has not said that.

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:09 am

    If the ABC is guilty of unaustralian treachery after a couple of reports the glass jawed abbott didn’t like – what does that mean for the 3+ years of rabid anti gillard/labor ‘reporting’ from the murdoch press and the talking down of the country/economy that abbott did himself. Most recent example was his davos non performance. They shoulda been put in front of a firing squad!

    Hypocrisy = Liberal Party

    What was that about patriotism being the last refuge of scoundrels?

  191. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:13 am

    This is an interesting collection of Tony Abbotts opinions towards the media while they were till massaging him from AussieAchmed at Poll Bludger that will probably not come back to haunt him armchair opinionator

    Abbott before the election…contrast to Abbott since the election

    .@TonyAbbottMHR 21/7/11 “…any attempt by government to slide out from under critical scrutiny is just wrong.”

    .@TonyAbbottMHR 24/7/13 “Look, we’ve got to allow the media to do their job…”

    .@TonyAbbottMHR 20/6/12 : “I think it’s very important that we always have in this country a diverse and dynamic media.”

    .@TonyAbbottMHR “We want a robust free media and if…that involves being disrespectful towards authority, so be it.”

    .@TonyAbbottMHR 15/3/13 “…at the end of the day people are entitled to conclude that this government wants to bully its critics.”

    and the best one
    .@TonyAbbottMHR 24/7/13 “The ABC will flourish under the Coalition. The ABC will flourish under the Coalition.”

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/01/30/bludgertrack-52-4-47-6-to-labor/?comment_page=2/#comment-1898893

  192. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:22 am

    People can form whatever opinion they want. I asked you for proof for your assertion. I am waiting patiently.

    Me too, actual proof, not someone’s interpretation of it, there’s been 3+ years of outrage and hysteria, now we’re getting to what is actually proven by evidence without any doubt.

    I don’t defend thomson, happy for him to get his due, but I do defend proof of evidence vs hearsay and opinion/interpretation. I also don’t like collusion and corruption in high office by untouchables [FWAs Michael Lawler, MPs]

  193. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:27 am

    JJ [January 30, 2014 11:13 am]

    Why won’t those words be thrown back at him? If I recall everything JG uttered was put under the microscope and LIAR LIAR thrown around by abbotts shock jocks and the murdochracy, haven’t heard the lie word once in reference to abbott.

  194. January 30, 2014 11:28 am

    “Read my last post above Reb. he has not said that.”

    But his lawyer has said they won’t contest the charges….. Or are you suggesting that his lawyer is acting independently from Thomson’s wishes….?? 😯

  195. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:31 am

    happy for him to get his due

    As I am, should it be found he has one coming

    Apparently tomorrow is the big day, although, revelations about the bungled prosecution (why do they blame the police, I thought the lawyers prosecuted?) may have made it less dramatic.

  196. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:35 am

    But his lawyer has said they won’t contest the charges

    Did you read up for the link to IA and the quote I took from that Reb.

    the magistrate was reportedly displeased that the prosecution and defence had not reached many agreements as to facts
    ………..
    In this trial, however, the defence has agreed not to dispute the admission of certain facts that are virtually impossible to prove or disprove without a great deal of expense to the defence
    …………..
    One must be very careful here to point out that, in this context, ‘admitted facts’ means facts admitted into the court for the purposes of the trial, and is not, as has been commonly misunderstood by many ‒ including most breathless media reports ‒ an admission by a party of doing an act.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/craig-thomson-trial-day-3-upon-the-admission-of-facts,6090

    Hope that clears it up a bit.

  197. January 30, 2014 11:35 am

    “The case against Craig Thomson could hinge on the wording of charges against him, with a barrister for the former federal MP arguing he had never claimed to be anyone other than the person authorised to use his union-issue credit cards and accounts.

    Which is a completely different story he told to Laurie Oakes, and “the rest of Australia” in Parliament last year….

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/craig-thomsons-defence-uses-wording-to-fight-fraud-and-theft-charges-20140129-31n3u.html#ixzz2rpz4v6wY

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:40 am

    JJ – I didn’t say FWA was a liberal outfit, but ask yourself who wrote that report, and who put him in that position within FWA?

    Who do you say wrote it?

  199. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:40 am

    I’m not sure how that relates Reb.

    I don’t recall Thomson saying that others were authorised to use his union-issue credit cards and accounts?

    I do recall him claiming that others may have used it or something along those lines (I’m sure it is that link I put up to his speech in Parliament), but the authorization was always his

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:45 am

    If it was such a cut and dried case against thomson, as has been claimed for years with guilt presumed, he should easily be found guilty, no doubts.

  201. Walrus permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:46 am

    “THIS IS POLITICAL AND INITIATED BY BANDIS TO GAIN POLITICAL AND IDEOLOGICAL CAPITAL. IT IS ALSO ABOUT KATHY JACKSON AND HER BOYFRIEND THE 2IC OF FAIR WORK AUSTRALIA AND A MATE OF ABBOTT GAINING CONTROL OF THE UNION.”

    Take your blinkers off you total fucking idiot

    Of course its not about the abuse of members funds at all……………………..You are seriously fucked in the head PooPan

    You take the definition of totally stupid fucking moronic imbecile to a entirely new stratospheric level.

  202. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:49 am

    he should easily be found guilty, no doubts.

    You would think armchair opinionator

    They have had many opportunities to prosecute him for these alleged brothel visits in a civil matter, but never did. The cited lack of evidence. There is one reason they might not be able to find the evidence that springs to mind.

  203. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:52 am

    Who do you say wrote it?

    Nassios was the name that springs from google

    Maybe it was the one who oversaw it. It really was so long ago now. I do recall that it was full of lurid accusations that nobody has proven since, even though they have been given more than enough opportunity

  204. Walrus permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:53 am

    “Read my last post above Reb. he has not said that.”

    JJ

    He actually personally drafted and issued an internal memo on the proper use of Union Credit Cards after someone accidentally used one to pay for an “astrology session”.

    So why would that memo not apply to him ?

  205. Walrus permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:56 am

    “They have had many opportunities to prosecute him for these alleged brothel visits in a civil matter, but never did. ”

    What are you on about ?

    The HSU is intending to sue him on the basis of police evidence produced in this trial.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 11:57 am

    Apparently (according to AO and JJ) forming a judgement about the character of our politicians requires a criminal conviction…or the acquiescence of Peter Wicks…or something.

    I recall that Mick Gatto was found not guilty of murder some years ago. I suppose he’s suitable for parliament.

  207. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 12:00 pm

    So why would that memo not apply to him ?

    It would, but it didn’t when he was using it. In fact, it was apparently his amazement at the lack of transparency and accountability that prompted him to initiate the process, to much dismay amongst others, which he mentioned in Parliament, naming specifically one person who had been most upset.

    The HSU is intending to sue him on the basis of police evidence produced in this trial.

    This is new to me. Do you have a link for that? I would welcome it if it is the case. It is what should have happened in the first place.

  208. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 12:03 pm

    forming a judgement about the character of our politicians requires a criminal conviction

    I specifically said above you can form whatever opinion you want. I have told you mine, and my reasoning. All I asked for was some proof for your assertions, assertions that I assume have helped form your opinion.

    I would have thought that your failure to provide this proof may have caused you to revisit your opinion. It doesn’t have to of course.

  209. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 12:29 pm

    It’s reasonably simple to me.

    Thompson vigorously denied the accusations in parliament and in the media. He had an alternative explanation, as reb has outlined.

    Fine, that’s his story.

    Then in court, he has not bothered with that explanation. He has not provided sworn evidence, or attempted to advance his original explanation in any way.

    That inconsistency demonstrates bullshit. Whether or not he is a criminal is another matter, and there are plenty of shady, unsavoury characters who haven’t been convicted.

    Is Mick Gatto suitable for parliament?

  210. January 30, 2014 12:39 pm

    Hey Kneel are you totally fucking stupid?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/fair-work-australia-vice-president-drawn-into-hsu-row/story-fn59noo3-1226263184928

    Yeah right Walrus.. No conspiracy ,its all about the injustice and the political opportunism is an unfortunate byproduct? Its Bandas the poster boy for justice, do you jack off to a poster of him on his white horse defending the Union movement from baddies like Thomson ? Ya imbecilic spiral eyed dill Walrus… Lets not forget how this whole thing started in minority maneuvering land and union bash fest…

    You Fiberals hate inconvenient truths when people above your single digit IQ’s who didn’t vote for this despot lot of info fibers, join the dots beyond the murdoch mantra 🙄

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/coalitions-george-brandis-refers-second-set-of-craig-thomson-claims-to-nsw-police/story-fn59niix-1226133189475

    Then a couple of weeks later Brandis was on the phone again, this time to speak with New South Wales Police Minister Michael Gallacher to again alert him to the fact that Brandis would be sending a brief to the Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione. Gallacher himself alerted Scipione to look out for the Brandis brief.

    Then there was Brandis’s call to Australian Federal Police Commissioner Tony Negus last week. Brandis apparently wanted to clarify whether the AFP would be investigating the matter.

    Even if we accept that Brandis did no more than inform his New South Wales colleagues of what he was up to, it was unwise of him to call them given the political stakes in the Thomson affair. Brandis did not need to call Smith and Gallacher, and in doing so he showed that he lacks judgment because he has allowed his political opponents to accuse him of lobbying to have the Thomson matter investigated.

    What Brandis should have done was behave like any other citizen who believes a crime might have been committed, and that is to contact police, hand over any evidence or make a statement, and then leave it for the police to go about their business.

    In addition to being busy on the blower Brandis shot off a pompous opinion to the New South Wales Police Commissioner Scipione in which he said variously:

    The overwhelming weight of evidence… suggests that Thomson himself received, signed for and authorised [sic] payment for the services.

    I submit there is a strong prima facie case that he has committed one or more offences against the Crimes Act.

    I draw your attention, in particular, to the offence of larceny; fraudulent appropriation; larceny by a clerk or servant; and fraud.

    then….

    According to media reports a fortnight ago Brandis was telling his colleagues to be circumspect in their comments about Craig Thomson because the Coalition would not want to prejudice a criminal trial if there were one. That was good advice but the letter Brandis sent to the New South Wales Police Commissioner undermined that call with its strong imputations of guilt.

    And of course Bandis was so concerned about prejudicing the legal process he had to tell 2GB all about it.. 🙄

    http://www.2gb.com/tags/george-brandis

    Also can someone show me wher Thomson and his defence team have admitted to using protitutes? Because the charges pivot on if he was authorised and he was a signatory on the cards and did not defraud the institutions, that is why he is admitting the the charges on the card…

  211. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 12:46 pm

    Then in court, he has not bothered with that explanation. He has not provided sworn evidence, or attempted to advance his original explanation in any way.

    And yet he is looking like he will win.

    Isn’t that what his defense attorney is supposed to do?

    And, according to Walrus, the HSU may still provide him with an avenue to provide his sworn evidence (if he has any)

    Also can someone show me wher Thomson and his defence team have admitted to using protitutes?

    I really wouldn’t bother Ricky. I have been asking all day.

  212. January 30, 2014 1:41 pm

    So his defence has changed from “It wasn’t me. I didn’t use the company credit card to pay for prostitutes” to:

    “Okay, so I used the company card to pay for prostitutes, there’s nothing illegal about that…”

    That’s the so-called “technicality” his legal team team are hoping to get him off on(if you’ll pardon the pun)…

    The fact that there are still some people who equate this sort of conduct to being guilty of “no wrong doing” while at the same time attacking the Libs for their rorts simply reeks of::

    RANK HYPOCRISY!!!

  213. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 30, 2014 1:48 pm

    And WANK HYPOCRISY if his taste in videos is anything to go by. I wonder how the members feel about paying him to jerk himself off? Then again many voters wonder the same thing about their elected representatives.

  214. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 1:58 pm

    That’s the so-called “technicality” his legal team team are hoping to get him off on

    That was pretty much their argument, except for the bit where you claimed he said that he actually used the card for prostitutes. I, and now Ricky, are still waiting on that titbit.

    The reason the prostitute claim is there is because of the reason I mentioned above which was in the IA site.

  215. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 2:26 pm

    When making judgements about character, most people don’t simply default to ‘they haven’t been convicted, therefore they’re suitable’

    Ordinarily, people make character judgement on a range of factors, such as-
    *plausibility of explanation
    *assessment of alternatives
    *consistency of explanation and behaviour

    Rational people would consider that Thompson has failed the ‘reasonable person test’

    If he gets off, that doesn’t change.

  216. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 2:40 pm

    consistency of explanation and behaviour

    Apart from allegations, I haven’t seen anything from him that indicates anything untoward. In fact, his history at the HSU appears to show someone who was actually striving to improve accountability within the Union, against the wishes of some from within.

    Of course, in your dot points, you forgot to mention the other side, you know, how politicized this has been, how Brandis became involved in police investigations, and how Kathy Jackson (the only proven liar to date in this saga), the Liberals and the IPA all became quite friendly.

    I take all of those things into account when assessing the veracity of allegations as well.

  217. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 30, 2014 2:46 pm

    “Apart from allegations, I haven’t seen anything from him that indicates anything untoward. In fact, his history at the HSU appears to show someone who was actually striving to improve accountability within the Union, against the wishes of some from within.”

    Are you his wife or his mum?

    No one else would spout such shite.

  218. Jherek Jagged permalink
    January 30, 2014 3:29 pm

    No one else would spout such shite.

    Isn’t it nice how everyone gets to offer an opinion, no matter how ill informed

  219. Walrus permalink
    January 30, 2014 4:09 pm

    “……….his history at the HSU appears to show someone who was actually striving to improve accountability within the Union”

    Seriously JJ

    How closely have you been following this case because that post of yours above is the greatest piece of bullshit I have seen in the last half hour.

    Go and listen to the Michael Smith interview that the scumbag gave on Sydney Radio and his own outline of the his own cavalier attitude to approving his own credit card expenses.

    Thomson would not know what an internal control was if it bit him on his overworked prick.

    In your World a whorehouse haunter like Thomson is probably just dismissed as a “Ladies Man”

  220. January 30, 2014 5:00 pm

    Just to be clear on my position
    1: He’s a brothel creeping lowlife
    2: He’s waiting Union members funds
    3: Do I think he did it Prolley ya honor…

    My point is this is a George Bandis which hunt from day 1 with political advantage all over it. The Fiberals are trying to destroy Unions so the Hypocracy of these ass cakes is stratospheric. I would love to apply the same standards to he Fiberals and their Corporate masturbation circle using shareholders money.

    Reb looks like the Cops have charged him with the wrong thing, one of the many technicalities that revolve around Thomo’s porridge stirring. I recon he will get a slap on the wrist.

  221. January 30, 2014 5:21 pm

    I concur with Ricky’s last comment…

  222. January 30, 2014 6:02 pm

    4. He’s a bare-faced liar to the public and to those he called on for financial support to fund his legal battle.

  223. January 30, 2014 6:20 pm

    5. He wouldn’t get a cent from me. That’s for sure.

    There is a duty of responsibility that comes with public life including casting a shadow of you character for public perusal which comes with the turf. Trust and discretion are two traits sadly lacking in today’s pollies especially considering everyone wants 15 minutes of facebook fame and carries around a multi media computer in their pocket capable of the instant proliferation of information.

    All the good pollies are getting out or are driven out.

    Bandis is an ass wipe and mark my words, a dangerous ideologist with the keys to the candy store.

  224. January 30, 2014 6:28 pm

    Now I concur twice.

    Also with reb @ 18:02.

    That’s three times.

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 6:31 pm

    That’s all quite reasonable.

    Amazing!!

  226. January 30, 2014 6:32 pm

    Honestly, I’d rather have a few bikies & Union hacks in charge than the IPA.

    There are significant differences for those who don’t find themselves within the top 10% of the population.

    The bikies & the hacks have always been with us. The IPA is an ideological machine whose primary directive is implementing the agenda which it arrogantly assumes it has gotten rightRIGHTright for the sake of those of us who may differ.

    Beware of fundamentalists of all persuasions.

  227. January 30, 2014 6:33 pm

    YomM, sometimes your reflexive Unionophobia obscures your view of the wider landscape.

    Just sayin’…

  228. January 30, 2014 6:39 pm

    (So-Called)”””””’‘reporting’ from the murdoch press and the talking down of the country/economy”””””””

    Nice graph armchair, l`ve also seen a similar graph,

    ””” http://i.imgur.com/2V0ajcU.jpg ””” and Limited-News fairs no better than commercial radio graphically, when stacked up against my ABC/sbs (fairfox-either)

    don`t worry tho, the power-trolls will keep screeching, and rallying the wing-nuts

  229. egg permalink
    January 30, 2014 6:44 pm

    ‘Just sayin’…’

    I disagree, ToM is doing a fine job reporting unionland for the benefit of the layman. And for those amongst us with short attention spans, his dot points are refreshing and instructive.

  230. January 30, 2014 6:55 pm

    ”””””””’The fact that there are still some people who equate this sort of conduct to being guilty of “no wrong doing” while at the same time attacking the Libs for their rorts simply reeks of::

    RANK HYPOCRISY!!!””””””””

    Fully agree reb,

    and the hypocrisy deepens, the guy buying hookers on the union credit card, is being called immoral buy the pricks that go to each others weddings on the taxpayer credit card,

    demand investigations into `unions`, but not awb,

    oppose gay behavior, unless of course you are ashby setting up slipper,

    canberra still stinks, changing party`s didn`t help

  231. January 30, 2014 7:03 pm

    ”””””’I disagree, ToM is doing a fine job””””””

    Monocle users admiration club.

  232. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2014 7:21 pm

    I wonder if Craig Thomson was a Coalition politician what would the lefties be saying??

    I actually know the answer which is why i appear to be such a strong Coalition supporter.

    For ALP supporters what is right or wrong depends on who is in power.

  233. January 30, 2014 7:32 pm

    ””””’I actually know the answer””””

    no you don`t

  234. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2014 7:36 pm

    Yes i do know the answer. Furthermore not just Thomson but the whole Coalition would be written off as a bunch of moral retards.

    Morality for an ALP supporter depends on who is in power.

    There would be blog after blog about the immorality of Thomson and the Coalition if Thomson was a Coalition politician.

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2014 7:37 pm

    Bandis is an ass wipe and mark my words, a dangerous ideologist with the keys to the candy store.

    And Geroge Brandis is another catlik … funny that …

    Just sayin’

  236. Neil of Sydney permalink
    January 30, 2014 7:38 pm

    What has Brandis got to do with the Craig Thomson issue???

  237. January 30, 2014 7:39 pm

    😉

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2014 7:47 pm

    And don’t forget a “leader” of the catlik church, Knight Commander of St Gregory, Rupert Murdoch, who, on Wikepedia, is carefully described as “christian” …

    The invasion of the mind snatchers is subtle and frightening … from business to governments … no suicide bombers here … just surreptitious corporate and religious blood-sucking via “democratic” government … creepy … and bloody dangerous …

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    January 30, 2014 7:49 pm

    What has Brandis got to do with the Craig Thomson issue???

    And the lamb shall lie down with the lion … and the blind shall see again … and the ignorant shall know … for we suffer the little children to come unto us …

    Yea, verily …

  240. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    January 30, 2014 8:10 pm

    another catlik … funny that …

    there seems to be just too many of them, aren’t there TB?

    Abbott, Shorten, Albanese… why can’t we just ban them from public life?

  241. January 30, 2014 10:46 pm

    ””””Yes i do know the answer.”””’
    no you still don`t
    🙄
    ”””moral retards.””” of the dog-bothering flavor are largely a teabag trait, tho not absolutely as some lefty`s/indy`s bother dog too. You will find many more teabags over-all, licking-up to teh-church, mosque, temple or synagog, and falling foul of their `church`s ”morality-police”
    .
    .
    ”””””””There would be blog after blog about the immorality of Thomson and the Coalition if Thomson was a Coalition politician.””””””
    Maybe so. And most of`em would be produced by the dogs-teabags

  242. January 30, 2014 10:56 pm

    Welcome to the gutter trash dictionary,

    So called democracy (definition)

    The invasion of the mind snatchers is subtle and frightening … from business to governments … no suicide bombers here … just surreptitious corporate and religious blood-sucking via “democratic” government … creepy … and bloody dangerous

  243. January 31, 2014 1:23 am

    TB eloquent..
    Toilet you got it
    Yes Tom those of right seem to blubber on with assumptions tusk tusk tusk

    Fuck is it just me or is Kneell a little slow?, can this dipstick actually read or is he caught in a feedback loop of stupidity like a broken record

    Hey kneel I’ll give you a hint for free Skip e own eeeeeeeeeeeee join the fucking dots like a kindergarten child and look at the whole picture 🙄

    See I can be nice 🙂

  244. Splatterbottom permalink
    January 31, 2014 10:12 am

    A decent union leader’s response to union corruption:

    In January this year, before the “WA Inc” accounts were discovered, Mr Cambridge wrote to the then Federal Minister for Industrial Relations, Mr Laurie Brereton, seeking a royal commission into the AWU – just as the Prime Minister, Mr Paul Keating, called an election…

    “Although these matters are unpleasant,” Mr Cambridge told the Herald, “and obviously damage our union’s public standing, any failure to resolve these matters will only ensure that such events can occur again … I am not prepared to turn a blind eye to these matters, as to do so would only foster corruption.”

    The shameful Unionland response:

    Bob Smith, who replaced Bruce Wilson as AWU Victorian state secretary and later became president of the Victorian Legislative Council:

    As we have discussed, you know as well as I do that if Cambridge is not stopped we are all history. I have spoken to [ACTU secretary] Bill Kelty and [ACTU president] Jennie George, and they are supportive of this course of action. Both you and I can work the phones before the national executive meeting to make sure we have the numbers before this motion is put. I have already spoken to a number of national executive and they are very nervous to say the least….

    Guess which side Shorten was on then? I know which side he is on now, not to mention fuckwit ACUNT leader Ged Kearney and most of the Unionland cabal. The fact that the crooks are effectively being protected at the highest level by those who are fighting tooth and nail to stop the Royal Commission only adds urgency to the need for a thoroughgoing inquiry.

    Even Richo gets it:

    Labor must decide whether it will continue to oppose the re-establishment of the [Australian Building and Construction Commission] and an inquiry of some kind into these two unions at a minimum or indeed power itself. It is getting more and more difficult to deny the need for some kind of inquiry.

    Labor must assert the primacy of its own position over the trade unions. If it is seen again to slavishly follow the union line, it will give an already well-endowed Prime Minister even more grist for his mill.

    What strikes me as odd is the number of people here prepared to shred their credibility defending the indefensible.

    For pity’s sake just face up to it, allow the ugly truth to come out and the necessary reforms to be implemented.

  245. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2014 11:46 am

    In opposing a Royal Commission Shorten is (surprise, surprise) doing the bidding of his corrupt paymasters, the CFMEU having funded the ALP to the tune of $9 million in recent years. No surprise there, just business as usual in Unionland.

    Blaming employers is like blaming the shopkeepers who are reluctantly extorted by the Mafia. Of course if any business is extorting money from the CFMEU there might be a case, but there is no evidence of that happening, except perhaps in the minds of the truly deluded.

  246. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 1:52 pm

    You are the truly deluded sb

    The RC will be a predetermined outcome where only one side of the problem is exposed and unions set up for a political attack by the people who want them defeated.

    I’d like to know the extent of business bribery in this problem. You can’t look at who is taking bribes without looking at who is doing the bribing.

    We already know through official reports, of the aussie business culture of bribery to win contracts, why shouldn’t that be exposed as well? You assume exploitation because of your anti union ideology and happily accept the nonsense that competitive business will do no wrong.

    Has it ever entered your mind that the people giving bribes may be equally as guilty as the ones accepting the bribes? you don’t know it’s exploitation unless you fully investigate both parties.

  247. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2014 2:26 pm

    “The RC will be a predetermined outcome”

    Paranoid and delusional as usual.

    “unions set up for a political attack by the people who want them defeated.”

    To the extent it exists, corruption in unions and union links with organised crime will be exposed – no wonder Unionland is shitting itself. I want corruption and organised crime defeated. Apparently you do not.

    “I’d like to know the extent of business bribery in this problem. You can’t look at who is taking bribes without looking at who is doing the bribing.

    This is about extortion. Business is being forced to pay unions to behave reasonably.

    The government has already said the the Royal Commission will look at both sides. I am perfectly happy with this, but the Unionland thugocracy is still shitting itself (surprise, surprise).

    Obviously (and unsurprisingly) your only interest in this is protecting crooked unions and their involvement in organised crime. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  248. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 2:37 pm

    This is about extortion. Business is being forced to pay unions to behave reasonably.

    Where is your proof of that statement??

    You won’t get any if you don’t investigate business operations as well. Do you think the commissioners should just take the word of business operators?

  249. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 4, 2014 2:45 pm

    “Do you think the commissioners should just take the word of business operators?”

    You have become so irrational about defending corrupt unions that you have lost the ability to read. Here is what I said:

    “The government has already said the the Royal Commission will look at both sides. I am perfectly happy with this”

    Which part of that don’t you understand?

  250. February 4, 2014 3:48 pm

    IF
    ””The government has already said the the Royal Commission will look at both sides.””

    is true, l am also happy, provided ALL wrong-doers are punished,

    Grollo, killing three citizens via `wall`/negligence,

    Grollo, links to Hells-Angels,

    cfmeu, links to Comoncheros

  251. February 4, 2014 3:52 pm

    UNFORTUNATELY

    Teabags particularly have a history of setting `terms-of-reference` which allows big-fish to swim free, while only netting sardines, AWB.

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 3:53 pm

    “The government has already said the the Royal Commission will look at both sides. I am perfectly happy with this”

    I must have missed that…do you have a link to who said it, where and when?

  253. Walrus permalink
    February 4, 2014 3:58 pm

    “…..your only interest in this is protecting crooked unions and their involvement in organised crime. You should be ashamed of yourself.”

    Yep

    And I have yet to hear of any building companies screaming and shouting against a Royal Commission.

    The Leftie here are suffering severe anal leakage at the thought of an RC

  254. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 4:02 pm

    Teabags particularly have a history of setting `terms-of-reference` which allows big-fish to swim free, while only netting sardines, AWB.

    Yes Mr T, I very much doubt the ToR will be so inclusive.
    I was recently reminded that the Cole RC produced not one conviction of a union official or delegate, but there was plenty of smear throughout the media.

    I suspect that is the aim again, smear the unions. A pretty expensive propaganda exercise IMO when SPC could’ve done with the money that got porkbarrelled to cadbury.

  255. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 4:10 pm

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 4, 2014 4:11 pm

  257. egg permalink
    February 4, 2014 4:33 pm

    Its just another coincidence.

  258. February 4, 2014 6:24 pm

    that is funny, l guess we have to wait and see if Mr-Rabbits next bike-ride `shirt` is covered in `spc`, `goulbern-valley` and `coke` logos

  259. February 4, 2014 7:09 pm

    ”””””””SPC could’ve done with the money that got porkbarrelled to cadbury”””””

    both coke and cadbury are international monsters worth billions armchair, as far as l`m concerned, they are both a fcuking disgrace trying to extort `us` to pay for `their` assets,

    welfare should be for the poor (which is being slashed, if you notice) not bludging billionaire monsters, they already get to bludge on us plenty through the tax-system

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    February 4, 2014 9:17 pm

    Its just another coincidence.

    FMD! How many is there?

    BTW, there is no such thing as coincidence in business …

  261. February 4, 2014 9:59 pm

    ”””””no such thing as coincidence in business””””’

    l agree. Boardroom plotting and Lying goes on year in, and year out.

  262. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 6:53 am

    BTW, there is no such thing as coincidence in business …

    Cadbury -> Kraft -> Phillip Morris

    As they say, follow the money

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/philip-morris-tossed-100000-into-coalition-coffers-for-election-20140203-31xg0.html

  263. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 6:56 am

    armchair opinionator , somebody needs to go through all those sponsors on Tony Abbotts cycling outfit and follow the money

    Might make for an interesting story

  264. egg permalink
    February 5, 2014 7:18 am

    Are you leftoids suggesting the government is involved with corrupt practice?

    In reality its just an ‘Insentivation’ strategy.

  265. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 7:29 am

    Are you leftoids suggesting the government is involved with corrupt practice?

    Wow, when you say it like that, you’d think that a Royal Commission should be called for.

    You know, in the same way one one is called when employers ‘Insentivatise’ union officials for their own benefit

  266. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 7:39 am

    BEFORE ELECTION

    “We leave the wage-fixing system exactly as it is and penalty rates will be a matter for the Fair Work Commission tomorrow as they are today.”

    AFTER ELECTION

    The Abbott Government has asked a major review of workplace awards to assess whether minimum terms and conditions, including penalty rates, are still relevant.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-04/coalition-questions-relevance-of-modern-awards/5238298

  267. egg permalink
    February 5, 2014 7:42 am

    Hmmmm….

  268. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 7:56 am

    Hmmmm….

    is that your way of saying “He LIed!. . . . Again!”

    YouTube knew. They just didn’t realise it was a politicians account

  269. egg permalink
    February 5, 2014 8:04 am

    He maybe a little careless with the truth at times, but its in the national interest.

  270. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 8:08 am

    but its in the national interest.

    Are you able to explain how, as the managers of SPC don’t consider it to be an issue. They are more concerned with what Tony Abbott told the voters he was concerned about before the election, namely, the high Aussie dollar and dumping.

    But now, he is ignoring that, and going after what he specifically ruled out before the election

  271. egg permalink
    February 5, 2014 8:28 am

    Free Trade Agreements are in the national interest, along with a low dollar. The FTA probably have a clause to avoid dumping ‘going forward’.

  272. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 8:34 am

    Of course, follow the money only works if Pillip Miorris still own Kraft, which might not be the case anymore

  273. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 8:38 am

    Free Trade Agreements are in the national interest

    Those signed in the past have been shown overwhelmingly not to be.especially the one with America

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/mind-the-gap-benefits-from-free-trade-havent-quite-gone-the-distance-20100302-pg6p.html

    The FTA probably have a clause to avoid dumping ‘going forward’.

    You keep your fingers crossed egg, as I think they “probably” don’t. In fact, with these investor-state dispute settlement clauses, “probably” don’t is looking more like “definitely” don’t.

  274. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 8:39 am

  275. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 5, 2014 9:18 am

    JJ-

    BEFORE ELECTION
    “We leave the wage-fixing system exactly as it is and penalty rates will be a matter for the Fair Work Commission tomorrow as they are today.”
    AFTER ELECTION
    The Abbott Government has asked a major review of workplace awards to assess whether minimum terms and conditions, including penalty rates, are still relevant.

    How on earth is that untruthful?

    He seems to have said before the election that penalty rates will be determined by FWA, after the election he has asked FWA to determine penalty rates.

    There’s plenty to criticise Abbott for, so it is unnecessary to invent reasons.

  276. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2014 9:35 am

    “BTW, there is no such thing as coincidence in business …”

    Or in Unionland. The Bandidos provide muscle for the MUA. The MUA fund the Bandidos legal action.

    The organised crime/union connection has been going on for a while and extends beyond the CFMEU to other grubby unions.

  277. February 5, 2014 9:56 am

    Egg… Obviously you are being sarcastic, please read the latest FTA on the table..do ya homework mate. FTA’s are like “Free market economies” a complete myth designed for market advantage and dominance.

  278. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2014 10:27 am

    “FTA’s are like “Free market economies” a complete myth designed for market advantage and dominance.”

    Market economies are responsible for the vast majority of the material progress of human kind. while there is no such thing as a perfect free market, as a general rule, the freer the market, the greater the progress. China’s steps towards a freer market have lifted hundreds of millions of people out of dire poverty. That is something leftists can never achieve. They have not a clue how to generate wealth. Instead, in there vain stupidity they think they are morally superior for thinking up endless schemes for pissing wealth away.

    FTA’s are a mixed blessing. Clearly the USA/Australia agreement is all about entrenching US monopolistic IP rights and less to do with free trade.

    When it comes to free trade Europe and the US are stinking hypocrites. Hundreds of millions more people could have their circumstances improved if European and American agricultural subsidies were ended. Unfortunately the US and Europe would prefer to keep hundreds of millions of people in misery than allow free trade in agriculture. Providing aid to them is a sop to Western consciences but serves only to entrench misery.

  279. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 5, 2014 10:43 am

    after the election he has asked FWA to determine penalty rates.

    And specifally “asked” them to assess whether minimum terms and conditions, including penalty rates, are still relevant.

    If it was left to the FWA, they would be coming to their own determination. He has provided one for them. Talk about directing an outcome. and this, after he specifically said he “We leave the wage-fixing system exactly as it is ” Except the bit about specifically directing them what to find out. or not.

  280. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 5, 2014 10:48 am

    FWA needs to be disbanded. It is a retirement village for Unionland hacks.

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