Is Australia Open for Business…?
When the “adults” assumed government they announced that Australia was “open for business”.
Since then, Holden has quit manufacturing and exited Australia, and now the Abbott Government has refused to provide financial support for SPC Ardmona.
SPC wants assistance to upgrade its product development facilities, topped up by $150 million from parent company Coca-Cola Amatil.
Treasurer Joe Hockey has indicated he’s not in favour of giving the handout.
Acting Opposition Leader Tanya Plibersek has urged the Government to act in the interests of SPC, to keep the last fresh fruit processing company in Australia, employing locals.
“I don’t see anything more un-Australian than sending Australian jobs offshore,” she told Gutter Trash reporters in Canberra this morning.
Her comments come after Prime Minister Tony Abbott yesterday took a swipe at the ABC, suggesting the broadcaster takes “everyone’s side but Australia’s”.
Ms Plibersek used Holden’s decision last month to cease production in Australia to claim the Coalition has no plan for jobs.
“The Government has already goaded Holden into leaving Australia,” she said.
“They’re now looking at trashing jobs in food processing, an area that will only grow as individual wealth in our region increases.”
Independent Senator Nick Xenophon says the end of the line of SPC Ardmona would have flow-on effects for fruit growers in other states.
Senator Xenophon said the government should be using anti-dumping duties to create a level playing field for companies such as SPC Ardmona.
“The government needs to understand that free trade shouldn’t be ‘free for all’ trade,” Senator Xenophon said.
The Productivity Commission has rejected the use of further tariffs on imported fruit.
Senator Xenophon said that if SPC Ardmona closes there would be an influx of imported canned produce which would have an impact on the processed fruit sector across the country.
Labor says Treasurer Joe Hockey’s opposition to financial assistance for SPC Ardmona shows his “merchant banker’s” perspective on the issue”.
However, Joe “the Hockey” says corporations, like governments, have to live within their means.
The Federal Opposition’s industry spokesman Kim Carr says the government should be more patriotic about Australian manufacturing.
“Joe Hockey has a merchant banker’s view, particularly popular in the North Shore of Sydney, about the way in which the international economy works.
“The fact is that companies don’t have to invest in Australia, they can choose to invest elsewhere, and if you leave these issues to the market alone, there’s no doubt the market will decide the issue.
“But it won’t be in Australia’s favour. Governments have to fight for jobs.”
The Coalition Government is divided on the issue; Liberal MP Sharman Stone, whose electorate takes in the SPC factory and some of the fruit farms that supply it, has strongly urged her colleagues to support the grant. She says it’s a small amount of money in the overall budget context, but will have a hugely significant impact for Victoria.
Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce has told Fairfax Media that he also supports the bailout, and the ABC understands that Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane is urging his Cabinet colleagues to approve the plan.
But Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on Tuesday that while the government will seriously consider business requests for assistance, “in the end businesses have got to put their house in order”.
“The parent company of SPC Ardmona, Coca-Cola Amatil, which is an Australian company, in the first six months of this year had a profit of over $215 million, for six months, and yet there is a request for $50 million of taxpayers’ money,” he said.
“I think you can understand why we are being very cautious, very careful about handing out taxpayers’ money to companies that are profitable let alone companies that aren’t profitable.”
SPC Ardmona argues it’s been driven to the wall not through its own failings, but because of broader economic forces and conditions, including the high Australian dollar and being forced to compete with high levels of cheap imported product from overseas.
Where should government support (if any) begin and end for struggling Aussie companies…?
theguttertrash.com 
Ain’t free market, unregulated, capitalist economies terrific!
Especially when we get conned into FTAs, deregulation and reduced tariffs and become members of the global* economy …
*USA controlled …
Go Xenophon & Anti-Dumping protections!
* fuck y’all who don’t like it.
” “in the end businesses have got to put their house in order”.
Abbott Code for…”hammer fuck out of their Employees”…”Only the Upper Echelon Deserve Requisite Financial Recognition”…
Here’s an idea!…Let’s just destroy manufacturing so we import everything & all of the dumbarses who work in the industry can go straight to longterm welfare & y’all can pay their tax burden plus give them a fortnightly pokie allowance & goonbag fundz.
🙄
Wonder what we do with all the excess labour when everything is automated?
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Ser T, saw your post re GoT … S4 soon – still can’t buy S3 … wankers … thank goodness for the Bay …
We’ve seen it but we want a BD copy … and I’m not buying fkn Foxtel … guess how we will watch S4 … 😯
“Senator Xenophon said the government should be using anti-dumping duties to create a level playing field for companies such as SPC Ardmona.”
‘Duties’ sounds better than taxes or tariffs, but that’s what Xenophon is talking about: taxes to raise the price of imported products so local industries can go on charging relatively high prices. Declare a cheaper import “dumped” (without actual proof of dumping, mind you) then slug it with import tarrifs. Guess who pays for this brilliant plan to contrive a “level playing field”? We consumers, that’s who.
The only good thing i can think of if the Australian economy crashes and we have no jobs is that the Russians may move back to Russia.
“Let’s just destroy manufacturing so we import everything & all of the dumbarses who work in the industry can go straight to longterm welfare”
They probably have special queues at Centrelink for film manufacturers and photo processors.
Earlier today …
‘THE Abbott government is facing accusations of a startling policy contradiction, as advocates for a $25 million government assistance package to food cannery SPC Ardmona face an uphill battle in cabinet today, despite more than $1 billion in taxpayer funds being invested in upgrading water infrastructure in the Goulburn Murray district.’
Wilson / Oz
Surely this is a security issue also. A lot of people hate our guts. Do we really want to import food from an unreliable supplier??
What is “manufacturing” anyway ?
What’s the difference between bottling beer and canning fruit?
What’s the difference between bottling wine and canning fruit ?
What about vacuum sealed beef or lamb?
Seems to me it’s just packaging agricultural product rather than actually manufacturing things like cars .
Just saying
“Surely this is a security issue also. A lot of people hate our guts. ”
Yes………….the ABC
l don`t see why Govt./Taxpayers should pay for Cokes upgrades,
as Coke makes about $400 million$ plus profit per year, Coke well and truly qualifies for a loan at any merchant bank, being an international brand an`all. Coca-Cola should pay the maintenance/upgrade on its own asset and not bludge on the Nation.
No case has been made for this outlandish handout.
#Yet.another.bludging.corporate.monster
””What’s the difference between bottling beer and canning fruit?”’
”””Seems to me it’s just packaging agricultural product””’
l tend to agree blubbers, beer and wine IS actually making something that has `some` complexity and process,
this is basically `packaging` fruit, tho they do have some more complex operations, l think Coke bought`em to add `fruit-juice` products to their beverage empire.
””””””””””””””Mr Davis remained among Australia’s best-paid executives last year, earning a total pay package worth $7.8 million. His salary was $2.3 million. The rest of his package came from superannuation and performance-related incentive payments and other perks.”””””
http://www.smh.com.au/business/coke-ceo-to-step-down-20130318-2gaci.html
””””””””Coca-Cola Amatil has announced that its chief executive Terry Davis will step down next year after more than 12 years running the beverage group. Chairman David Gonski said Mr Davis will retire on August 31 next year.”””””””””
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””””””””’CCA has also loaned $46 million to a joint venture vehicle, Australian Beer Company, that will acquire what it describes as the world-class brewery operation recently set up by Yellow Tail’s owner, the Casella group. This loan will convert to a 50 per cent share in the business on December 16 next year when CCA’s non-compete clause with Foster’s new owner, SABMiller, expires.”””””
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snippets not in order, from mar 2013
Cadbury got 15 million$ welfare not so long ago,
its parent company made over 1-billion$ profit,
#Yay.for.corporate.gifting
Kneel yes you finally got it except its you’re as opposed to our
Walrus well done d is next and at this rate you may get through the whole alphabet..aim high mate go for z by Christmas…
‘Cadbury got 15 million$ welfare not so long ago,’
That was different, the $15 million went to upgrade Cadburys surrounds as a better tourist attraction.
A masterful display by the PM, placing the blame directly at the feet of ugly American capitalism.
‘TONY Abbott has challenged corporate Australia to tackle uncompetitive, over-award conditions rather than seek government handouts after a “defining” cabinet decision to reject a $25 million industry assistance request by food processor SPC Ardmona. The Prime Minister put the onus for the future of the Shepparton-based cannery squarely on its parent company Coca-Cola Amatil and its chairman David Gonski.’
Oz
“That was different, the $15 million went to upgrade Cadburys surrounds as a better tourist attraction.”
Therein lies the solution then…
Every business should turn itself into a tourist attraction…
Just think of the opportunities; you could slaughter your own cow at the local butcher…
On the other hand if Gonski and his filthy capitalists won’t take responsibility for those workers then SPC should invite the communist Chinese to put in a tender for the whole box and dice.
Yeah! I like the idea of slaughter tourism.
Cadburys has a great future in chocolate tourism. Perhaps build a potato chip factory next door.
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Re- SPC
It would be worthwhile having a look at their corporate structure.
Given the exceptionally generous redundancy payments, the site might struggle on because it would cost a $bn or two to close it.
Will CCA pay up, or send the subsidiary broke (and put up with the polluted brand)?
That might be the corporate dilemma.
Its all goulash and chow mein to me, maybe combined day trip tours for buss loads of pensioners run by people who work for their DSP? The Fiberals could get those bludgers to work it off.
say AMex and a touch of class… they could watch all those corporate fiberal donors investing shareholder money in kink
Good points ToM.
“Perhaps build a potato chip factory next door.”
Or a Weight Watchers…. That’s the problem with non-entrepreneurial types. No sense of business acumen.
“10M for Manly stadium upgrade.. $20M for counselling vouchers.. $15M for Cadbury.. $0.00 to save 2000 jobs The Lib way”
It does not happen often but i agree with Labor people on this issue.
If those 2,000 people have jobs they will pay at least $10,000 in tax/year which will cover the govt contribution. Plus all the flow on effects.
This issue is a no brainer. SPC should be helped.
El Gordo, you do realise that ‘over award conditions’ are the result of enterprise bargaining? Both sides have to agree & sign off on them. The ‘inflated’ conditions require agreed productivity improvements to be made by the workforce.
It has fuck all to do with ugly US capitalism (seriously, whatthefuck).
Unholy defecation!
Neil & I are on exactly the same page on this!
This is just Holden all over again. A greedy multinational holds out its hand for public money and then splits it with the unions in over-award payments. Taxpayers should not subsidise this bullshit. If Coca-Cola wants to give away money, money it now says it hasn’t got, to its workers, then that is entirely its business. It is outrageous that it expects to pass this cost on to the government.
“Given the exceptionally generous redundancy payments, the site might struggle on because it would cost a $bn or two to close it.”
Again as with Holden and Ford perhaps we have a perverese incentive amongst its older workforce .i.e. 50 years plus to see that the joint fails.
Its the people “upstream” (growers etc) that really get hurt.
“This is just Holden all over again.”
Not sure if it is the same. Sometimes people do need help.
However if SPC are paying their workers $100K/year for packing fruit due to Union muscle you may have a point.
And it is a security issue. Lots of people hate us.
“And it is a security issue. Lots of people hate us.” ????
Elaborate on this if you will.
Well if there is a war on and we have to import our food do you not think this could be a problem??
We produce a lot of food already. We will have bigger problems than that.
Also do we want to be a country that makes nothing and imports everything??
“Elaborate on this if you will.”
I think NoS means that the last Labor Party Government fucked up the joint so badly they must really hate us.
Ooooops forgot
🙂
Walrus – “Again as with Holden and Ford perhaps we have a perverese incentive amongst its older workforce .i.e. 50 years plus to see that the joint fails.
There is a common view that this mentality helped push Ansett over the cliff – a mature, long serving workforce, with a focus on a fat payout at some point.
Ansett just went broke, and the workforce had to wait years and years for the part payment.
Fark that stress tested my new heart pick me up off the floor, NOS talking sense for once. Let me translate because the Fiberal linguistic idolistics is rather hard to master and there are many meanings behind each word…..
The word Over and Award used together in the same sentence usually means “we want you to work for nothing because my posh princess wifes wants a new frock”
Its the we have everything, pay you fuck all so you have nothing nor any incentive to give a fuck, then we complain that you are the problem not my multi million dollar salary. Efficiencies in management in the dinosaur corporate structure so prevalent in dry wrung lemon companies dragged kicking and screaming into the reality of 2014 means sacking all the people who actually do the work below the board.
Anyone that has any idea of good business practice knows
1 Peanuts = Monkey’s
2 Incentive = Productivity
If you cant afford award wages, your business in not viable, your model is wrong. Blaming the workers for the company you are supposed to be managing in a market in which you are competing is shifting the blame for your own stupidity.
As Neil pointed out and I know i’m gonna regret this… those people produce tax (whilst the people who employ them avoid it, ironic isn’t it?) and the cost of supporting them into a void where maybe only 50% at best will pick up jobs is the trade off. Government intervention should be strictly conditional starting at the wages at the top first. My pet hate is these fucktards like that Mexican Fop and twiggy Ziggy who oversee diminished share price and profits and still get bonuses..grrrrrr
Surely Canned foodstuff is in the national interest and goes to sustainable food security especially when the way genghis Morrison is going an Indo Refo invasion is imminent. We can all live on tinned peaches and those little tinned cocktail franks….
We were warned that unrestricted Parallel importing would have a huge impact and you can thank cartels like Wollies and Coles or being so supportive of Australian manufacturer’s 🙄 Thai Lemon anyone or how about a slice of chinese tinned camp pie?
By the way Neil if you want to think about it from a security standpoint then shortly we wont even be refining our own petroleum
“then shortly we wont even be refining our own petroleum”
Exactly.
maybe we should just outsource the whole country.
“Ansett just went broke”
And in these cases General Motors, Ford, Toyota and SPC the Parent Companies are still healthy and have very deep pockets.
Hilarious. So when the parties reach an enterprise bargaining AGREEMENT it must be due’Union muscle’. 🙄 And employers never gain anything from the agreements which they are (presumably) forced into?
GMAFBo Un
Stupid italics…
Stupid dumbphone…
“maybe we should just outsource the whole country.”
Dont worry NoS,
One day soon you’ll be accidently scooped up by a front end loader and you’ll wake up one morning sitting on a coal stockpile in China
I work with a former Ansett employee. He is of similar age to me…& you can rest assured, he wasn’t gunning for a ‘fat payout’. As I’m sure that the younger, indebted Holden employees weren’t.
Not everyone is a longterm employee.
Repatriate Russian Scientists…
There, I said it.
“do we want to be a country that makes nothing and imports everything??”
So why not put the whole country on high wages and use the extra money you get from taxing the higher incomes to subsidise the inefficient businesses? That should work a treat. We’ll have the debt paid down in no time and dominate world manufacturing into the bargain!
If we want to attract manufacturing investment then government should put the unions back on the leash so that they don’t screw investors as soon as they have built their plant and make sure we have cheap power and efficient infrastructure. For the last six years the ALP has done the opposite at the behest of their Unionland masters and the Greens. Forget about subsidies and union featherbedding beloved of the left – they have not a clue about how to increase wealth. But they are very good at destroying the economy and putting the country massively in debt.
Some businesses get to the point where there are large numbers of mature, long serving employees who perceive that they can gain more by losing their job than by retaining it.
The broomstick tends to be more cordially received when it is liberally lubricated, prefaced with a nice box of cream centred assortments to strains of the romantics then supported by the promise of whimsical adventures overlooking the fjords in italian knitted cardigans.
Rather than
Rabbit’s style where he just wants to whip it out throw it in seminary tyke style and remind em how lucky they are to cop it, he’s a real man who’s all rugged and real :rol: suck it up Orztailya FFS
Some do.
But it’s hardly the rule of thumb which seems to be so easily applied to every retrenchment discussed here.
I’d even suggest that longterm employees never make up the entirety of any workforce.
How about enterprise bargaining, YomM. Are you of the opinion that it only ever benefits employees & doesn’t result in efficiencies or productivity gains for the company? No? I didn’t think so.
Tom most of those mature long serving employees are actually the ones that stuck around, know more about the business tat the graduates trying to educate them about how to re-invent the wheel and give a they fuck. They are cynical and have probably sat through many cowboy raids with the same outcome. That doesn’t mean they are inefficient.
i dont give a fuck about rhetorical nonsense. Enterprise bargaining works and it makes workers own and earn incentives. If management does not take advantage of this they are the inefficiency not the worker , who is easy to blame as a soft target and fodder for the telegraph version of the complexities of workplace relations. No efficient business pays award wages, they offer incentives to gain productivity. The big furphy is AWA’s, I was on a contract the second I stepped out of my government position into the public sector, I traded off and was paid well for it 3 x my award. Award minimums are the mandatory place to start, if you can’t afford the staff wages get the fuck out of business and leave it to someone who can.
“No efficient business pays award wages, they offer incentives to gain productivity.”
Works a treat at Ford, Holden and SPC.
“if you can’t afford the staff wages get the fuck out of business”
Glad we are on the same page here! Now tell it to SPC.
“So why not put the whole country on high wages and use the extra money you get from taxing the higher incomes to subsidise the inefficient businesses? That should work a treat. We’ll have the debt paid down in no time and dominate world manufacturing into the bargain!”
Holy Fuck
“Splatterbottom” is actually “Catching Up”
If we want to attract manufacturing investment then government should put the unions back on the leash so that they don’t screw investors as soon as they have built their plant and make sure we have cheap power and efficient infrastructure. For the last six years the ALP has done the opposite at the behest of their Unionland masters and the Greens. Forget about subsidies and union featherbedding beloved of the left – they have not a clue about how to increase wealth. But they are very good at destroying the economy and putting the country massively in debt.
Tom of Melbourne permalink
January 31, 2014 11:59 am
Some businesses get to the point where there are large numbers of mature, long serving employees who perceive that they can gain more by losing their job than by retaining it.
Ricky Pann permalink
January 31, 2014 12:05 pm
The broomstick tends to be more cordially received when it is liberally lubricated, prefaced with a nice box of cream centred assortments to strains of the romantics then supported by the promise of whimsical adventures overlooking the fjords in italian knitted cardigans.
Rather than
Rabbit’s style where he just wants to whip it out throw it in seminary tyke style and remind em how lucky they are to cop it, he’s a real man who’s all rugged and real :rol: suck it up Orztailya FFS
public toilet permalink
January 31, 2014 12:09 pm
Some do.
But it’s hardly the rule of thumb which seems to be so easily applied to every retrenchment discussed here.
I’d even suggest that longterm employees never make up the entirety of any workforce.
How about enterprise bargaining, YomM. Are you of the opinion that it only ever benefits employees & doesn’t result in efficiencies or productivity gains for the company? No? I didn’t think so.
Ricky Pann permalink
January 31, 2014 12:09 pm
Tom most of those mature long serving employees are actually the ones that stuck around, know more about the business tat the graduates trying to educate them about how to re-invent the wheel and give a they fuck. They are cynical and have probably sat through many cowboy raids with the same outcome. That doesn’t mean they are inefficient.
Ricky Pann permalink
January 31, 2014 12:16 pm
i dont give a fuck about rhetorical nonsense. Enterprise bargaining works and it makes workers own and earn incentives. If management does not take advantage of this they are the inefficiency not the worker , who is easy to blame as a soft target and fodder for the telegraph version of the complexities of workplace relations. No efficient business pays award wages, they offer incentives to gain productivity. The big furphy is AWA’s, I was on a contract the second I stepped out of my government position into the public sector, I traded off and was paid well for it 3 x my award. Award minimums are the mandatory place to start, if you can’t afford the staff wages get the fuck out of business and leave it to someone who can.
Splatterbottom permalink
January 31, 2014 12:22 pm
“No efficient business pays award wages, they offer incentives to gain productivity.”
Works a treat at Ford, Holden and SPC.
“if you can’t afford the staff wages get the fuck out of business”
Glad we are on the same page here! Now tell it to SPC.
Go on say something, you’ll feel better…
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“Repatriate Russian Scientists…”
Amen to that.
Walrus. for this gross inefficiency you are sacked… 🙂
I was on bonuses for revenue at one place I worked. I’d be in there on sunday sleeping in the office..Amazing how a 25 grand commision can motivate you and sort out the wheat from the chaff in an organisation.
What the fuck would Rabbits know about business anyway, his economics degree still has the wrapper on it and he has never had a real job in his life apart from a short stint at a cement factory where his brain was obviously mixed with the product. He got his Rhodes scholarship (big fucking deal 🙄 ) from his connections in the semen any.
Maybe go through the Fiberal Donation register and see who’s safe as they set up their goliath cartel monopoly club run visioned version of Australia Mk2 the free terrorgraph hate speech free market economy.
McFarlane, the CSG well bore, someone throw i’m a throaty he reminds me of the Marlboro man FFS.
This is from the ABC soon to become Newscorp…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-31/matthewson-spc/5229740
Abbott already knows it doesn’t matter whether Coca Cola stays or sells up, with a billion Australian dollars being spent to upgrade the agricultural sector in the area the Chinese will be salivating.
http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=12559
Might even throw in a theme park for free.
””’Every business should turn itself into a tourist attraction””
””Just think of the opportunities”””’
` 😆 reb,
its been done in Flint Michigan, #autoworld
it was a spectacular failure (of taxpayer cash)
Doug Ferguson, Head of KPMG’s Asia Business Group.
“China is not only Australia’s largest trading partner, but also the largest trading partner of more than 120 economies – many of which are competing for agricultural trade and investment, including New Zealand.
Foreign investment in the agribusiness sector is a complex and confronting issue for many in industry, government and broader society. As a result of this focus, Chinese companies feel cautious about engaging with Australian agribusiness.”
Wally: Seems to me it’s just packaging agricultural product rather than actually manufacturing things like cars .
And we all know that bean counters are experts in agriculture, orchards, maintenance programs, production (skills, knowledge, learning, OH&S, adminsistration), supply, transport, R&D and the myriad of jobs involved in growing, harvesting, preserving and packaging fruit and vegetables (some of the best in the world BTW) … all the things that keep a small town or three viable and vibrant … the bean counters are there too – sitting on the sidelines, not terribly productive but giving advice and skimming a living …
Again as with Holden and Ford perhaps we have a perverese incentive amongst its older workforce .i.e. 50 years plus to see that the joint fails.
Or it could be that either CCAmatil and/or Coles/Woolies see an opportunity to let SPC Ardmona fail and import cheap, poor quality shite in from who knows where … and grown in who knows what …
Ya see, Wally, most people who stay in these jobs do so for life, cause they like the company – of their friends and neighbours … but corporate managers tend to flit around to wherever the money is …
Ying and Yang, sunshine …
“And we all know that bean counters are experts in agriculture, orchards, maintenance programs, production (skills, knowledge, learning, OH&S, adminsistration), supply, transport, R&D and the myriad of jobs involved in growing, harvesting, preserving and packaging fruit and vegetables ”
I am
Thanks
“Ya see, Wally, most people who stay in these jobs do so for life, cause they like the company – ”
Bullshit
They choose not to move out of their comfort zone ( area)
It’s the only job they first fell into or were offered.
It’s there to pay the bills
Don’t give me the other crap TB
TB, there was an interesting comment made by one of the spc-town locals on sbs1 tonight,
””the local said coles/woolies had already made it too hard for the fruit farmers, and many were already leaving `fruit`”’
therefore, bull-dozing the plants, going to use land for other crop/purpose, as shown on landline,
yay free trade,
it is up to `coke` whether they keep their investment or walk away, not taxpayers
””’I am””’Thanks””’
bullshit, your blubbering indicates otherwise
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””’It’s the only job they first fell into or were offered.””’
””’choose not to move out of their comfort zone””’
more mealy mouthed management bullshit,
in many places, it would be known as the ONLY job in town,
your `golden-exit` payments are more likely bullshit too,
the way many biz`s operate now, especially if they know they can get away with it, is they sack the full-time workforce, re-hire them back on shit conditions(casual) so they won`t get much$ anyway
and if they need `extra` workers, the first stop is the back-packers, an pay as low a $4-bucks an hour, yeah, stayed at a lot of back-packers mr-blubbers
I think we should nationalise SPC Ardmona … after all we could then keep the jobs, the taxes and ensure high quality canned fruit/vegetables and fruit juice for our kids and g/kids too …
If CCA don’t want it we should buy it …
Food production/preservation is quite a different kettle of fish to cars …
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I see HRD* prince Charles is pretending to be a commie now …
http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/prince-charles-says-climate-change-deniers-are-a-headless-chicken-brigade/story-fnjwvztl-1226815482597
*His Royal Dickhead©
Abbott won’t nationalise, it goes against the grain.
As I said previously, a Chinese state run business will snap it up.
””’If CCA don’t want it we should buy it””’
no `we` shouldn`t (taxpayer/govt)
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”””Food production/preservation is quite a different kettle of fish to cars”””
agree with your sentiments TB, but free-trade dumping will keep coles/woolies being supplied from off-shore,
the back-door is wide open to nz, where lots of product is imported in bulk into nz to be re-packaged/branded as `product-of-nz` and dumped in Aust, (baked-beans/tuna)
and our `frozen`veges are suffering in the same manner as tinned/canned stuff, there is also a fair bit of farmers `exiting` too, coz of the dumping
reb ended the post with,
””””””””’Where should government support (if any) begin and end for struggling Aussie companies””””””’
the `aussie company` bit is slightly incorrect,
coca cola amltal is major shareholder is `coke-usa`,
major shareholder meaning 51% or more,
therefore, spc is 51%or more yank owned,
another misleader is the amount, $25-million taxpayer,
that is just the welfare seeking from the feds,
another $25-million welfare will automatically kick in from the state govt.
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the true total amount of welfare asked for by the 51% bludging yank coke outfit is $50-million, twice as much as being publicised
Free trade agreements are an integral part of a growing free market, we need to adjust and fit in.
The point about dumping is valid, but as individuals we have choices on the food we buy. For example, when it comes to garlic I prefer the Spanish import in preference to Chinese garlic, even though the latter is cheaper, I’m conscious of possible health risks.
The burgeoning Chinese middle class also prefers foreign processed food imports over the local stuff, for precisely the same reason.
CCA has the option of selling SPC Ardmona to the celestial kingdom, either in total or some kind of co-investment. Plan B is not frightening.
the only `aspect` l am arguing is,
DO NOT GIVE $50-MILLION TAXPAYER TO BLUDGING YANK COKE,
and did some explaining why,
your arse-licking for yank-benefiting `free-trade` dumping is unworthy dumpty,
l don`t care if coke sells spc, or to whom,
another aspect of bullshit in this is `jobs`,
if coke does `upgrade` THEIR spc plant/s, they will be highly `robotic`, so,
the workforce will be reduced from `1000`s of jobs to `100`s of jobs,
or maybe even `dozen`s of jobs.
Yes the new technologies will take the place of people, lets not be Luddites.
The gold mine near my place employed 3000 workers a few years ago, there are only 1000 remaining because of new mechanisation. This is unavoidable in a free market.
My opinion at the moment is that SPC should be helped. $25M is about what politicians would spend on toilet paper and travel. Even if it does not help it is not a great waste.
But there is nobody who through stupidity or whatever has not got into trouble and sometimes needs a helping hand. SPC is different to Holden.
Furthermore to my surprise even people who post here are a little like me. We are suspicious of how some countries prepare their food.
Neil the old days are over, its a brave new world of free trade. The government has already put a billion dollars into the Goulburn Valley to improve agricultural output and the 600 million Chinese middle class want our fruit because its safe.
So Abbott says no to CCA shareholders, the communists will be happy to buy you out.
””””SPC should be helped. $25M””””
fascinating you ignore all the info l just dropped on the thread,
teabag state premier is begging to gift bludging coke with extra $25-million taxpayer too,
total $50-million taxpayer,
””””’Even if it does not help””””
lt won`t. Even if you read the thread above with ya`eyes wide-shut.
SPC wanted a ‘co-investment’ with the Australian and Victorian governments, but that’s not going to happen, instead they’ll probably sell the Chinese a controlling stake.
http://www.farmingahead.com.au/News/agricultural/04/12/2013/202313/chinese-agribusiness-takes-controlling-stake-in-queensland-beef-producer-kilcoy-pastoral-company
We have been losing our manufacturing since the 1970’s. We used to make everything except i think high speed camera’s back in the 1970’s. Now it is mostly gone.
So far it has not caused problems because somehow or other we have found other jobs for workers. Mostly service i guess.
Something is wrong but i am not sure what is the answer.
your stupid fcuking link has nothing to do with `spc/coke` and has nothing to do with “fruit` and has nothing to do with the `state`/vic, where spc/coke is operating dumpty,
was there `any` fcuking point to it dumpty.?
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””””’SPC wanted a ‘co-investment’”””””’
COKE WANTS $50-MILLION WELFARE OFF TAXPAYERS
and that`s just the start
The answer is trade liberalisation will benefit the whole world.
‘Two-way trade between Australia and its top trading partner China totalled A$125 billion in fiscal 2012, compared to A$71 billion traded with second-ranked Japan and the A$32 billion with fourth-largest trading partner South Korea. Australia signed an FTA with the United States in 2004, with two-way trade currently around A$60 billion.
‘Japanese media has reported that Tokyo may cut tariffs on Australian beef imports to 30 percent from 38.5 percent, demanding Australia eliminate its 5 percent tariff on auto imports to match its South Korean deal. Australia runs a healthy trade surplus with Japan, largely based on minerals, energy and agricultural exports, while Japan is expected to benefit from increased auto exports.’
The Diplomat
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Up the fred ToM commented … ‘Given the exceptionally generous redundancy payments, the site might struggle on because it would cost a $bn or two to close it.’
This makes sense, so they will be looking for venture partners or selling up the cannery to the highest bidder.
‘your stupid fcuking link has nothing to do with `spc/coke` and has nothing to do with “fruit` and has nothing to do with the `state`/vic, where spc/coke is operating dumpty,
was there `any` fcuking point to it dumpty.?’
Yes, but as its a big picture item perhaps you’re brain can’t grasp the meaning.
””’We have been losing our manufacturing since the 1970′s.””’
true.
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””’found other jobs for workers. Mostly””””’
casual, or some other classification, often referred to as shit-jobs, as the people doin`em struggle more and more to make ends meet,
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”””Something is wrong but i am not sure””””
the `free-trade` fcuk-over our beloved dip-shit leaders inflict on the lower-class
The lower classes are better served by a free and competitive open market.
””””””””””””’your stupid fcuking link has nothing to do with `spc/coke` and has nothing to do with “fruit` and has nothing to do with the `state`/vic, where spc/coke is operating dumpty,
was there `any` fcuking point to it dumpty.?’
Yes, but as its a big picture item
””””””””””””””””””’
and that is.? explain.? dumpty
”””’The answer is trade liberalisation”””’
more mindless chanting dumpty,
””trade liberalisation””=`free-trade-dumping`
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”””’will benefit the whole world.””””
not really, mainly teh-mega-rich dumpty,
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””””Up the fred ToM commented”””””
”””’exceptionally generous redundancy payments,””’
doubtful, casuals, how many.?
full-time, how many.?
and even so, `fruit`canners are much closer to the bottom of the salary-scale, unlike boardroom,
”””’The lower classes are better served””””
more mindless chanting dumpty, 🙄
hint, you might try and provide some kind of explainer so you don`t look like a `mindless-chanter` (in your own words, not a bolt copy/paste) laddie
Realpolitic
Japan will sign a free trade agreement with Oz in July and most likely at the same time as China, for strategic and commercial reasons.
The way to maintain manufacturing in Australian agribusiness is to invite tenders who are willing to suffer a bit of short term pain with the sure knowledge that they have a lucrative market at home.
So let me get this right, you want a communist style political revolution to save the jobs of 1500 workers?
lf that`s directed at me dumpty,
more mindless chanting dumpty, 🙄
l clearly stated up-fred,
”””””””””””””””””””””””””’
the only `aspect` l am arguing is,
DO NOT GIVE $50-MILLION TAXPAYER TO BLUDGING YANK COKE,
and did some explaining why,
your arse-licking for yank-benefiting `free-trade` dumping is unworthy dumpty,
l don`t care if coke sells spc, or to whom,
another aspect of bullshit in this is `jobs`,
if coke does `upgrade` THEIR spc plant/s, they will be highly `robotic`, so,
the workforce will be reduced from `1000`s of jobs to `100`s of jobs,
or maybe even `dozen`s of jobs.
”””””””””””””””””””””””””””’
I see we agree.
‘CLINCHING new trade deals to expand markets is a key solution following the government’s rejection of a $25 million bailout package for SPC Ardmona, National Farmers Federation president Brent Finlay says.
‘For horticulturalists in northern Victoria “left with a sense of uncertainty”, he said, the 12-nation Trans Pacific Partnership deal — now in its final stages of negotiation — could be especially useful.’
Rowan Callick / Oz
‘THE Abbott government has made four key policy and politically defining discretionary decisions. It has scored well on both consistency and courageousness.
‘In combination, they confirm Tony Abbott’s affirmation that Australia is “open for business” under his government…
‘The four are: the rejections of specific assistance to the domestic car manufacturing industry and fruit-canner SPC Ardmona, Joe Hockey’s approval of the Canadian company Saputo’s takeover of Warrnambool Cheese & Butter, and his rejection of the US company Archer Daniels Midland’s takeover of GrainCorp. Looked at narrowly, that scores at least three out of four, on the measure of government getting out of the way of business and doing so in a consistent way.’
Terry McCrann
‘THE Productivity Commission has rejected calls for extra federal assistance for Toyota’s car-manufacturing operations and called for all Australian government subsidies to carmakers to end by 2020.
‘A day after Tony Abbott called on business to confront unproductive workplace agreements as cabinet rejected a $25 million request from food processor SPC Ardmona, the commission also found workplace arrangements in the car industry significantly reduced flexibility.’
Maher / Oz
as usual, dumpty missed the guts of the story,
it will be interesting to see how Mr-Rabbit`s `spine-growing` exercise turns out
‘as usual, dumpty missed the guts of the story,’
Paywall problems.
dumpty missed the mark a bit here too,
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this bit is bullshit, europe and teh-usa biz-groups always lobby for more taxpayer welfare, bet ours does too
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Mr-Rabbits recent spine development probably has extra `motives` within,
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””’domestic reforms have to happen too””’
l bet this means trampling the workforce,
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””’barriers to entry for Australian fruit””’
yeah sure, those other countries in this `free-trade`dump-site are soooo concerned about Aussie fruit
”””Paywall problems.””’
those snippets you drop, that show above the paywall, is just the snippet spam for google to collect and don`t tell the guts of the story
Trade pact key to beat SPC angst (full-story)
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/trade-pact-key-to-beat-spc-angst/story-fn59nm2j-1226815331737
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CLINCHING new trade deals to expand markets is a key solution following the government’s rejection of a $25 million bailout package for SPC Ardmona, National Farmers Federation president Brent Finlay says.
For horticulturalists in northern Victoria “left with a sense of uncertainty”, he said, the 12-nation Trans Pacific Partnership deal — now in its final stages of negotiation — could be especially useful.
Mr Finlay revealed that the largest farmers’ organisations in the US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia had, for the first time, collaborated closely to write to their governments warning of the dangers of agreeing to a deal that excised “sensitive products”.
The farmers’ groups from all four countries are demanding that barriers against all products must be liberalised.
Mr Finlay said these groups “have recognised the critical point in the negotiations and have called for a more committed approach to completing this agreement”.
“Australian farmers need governments to work harder to finalise such deals as the TPP, ensuring we can continue to export high-quality food and fibre to the world.”
He said the TPP needed to avoid “new protectionism” — for instance, behind-the-border policies that were not based on sound science and genuine food safety standards.
While maintaining local processing was a priority, alternative products and markets could be part of the solution.
Changes in food labelling, competition law, workplace relations and lower energy costs must also be in the mix, he said.
Mr Finlay stressed that Canberra should not allow the TPP to include exceptions for allegedly sensitive products such as rice, sugar and wheat.
“This sets a dangerous precedent for other countries seeking to join the agreement,” he said.
The international farm groups want all tariff barriers to be phased out, tariff, quota or price safeguards to be removed, and processes introduced to facilitate trade.
The 12 TPP member countries represent 40 per cent of global GDP. They already buy Australian exports worth about $100 billion — 33 per cent of our global export trade.
“There can be no doubt this is a good agreement for Australia to sign, potentially giving new and improved access for products like beef, sugar, pork, rice, horticulture and dairy to countries including the US, Canada, Japan, Mexico and Vietnam,” Mr Finlay said.
Bryan Clark, the international affairs director of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry, agreed that “where there have been barriers to entry for Australian fruit products, the TPP may provide them with opportunities”. But, he said, “domestic reforms have to happen too” — because “the costs of the Australian economy are the most burdensome” issue that producers faced.
He said that having farmers’ groups starting to speak with a consistent and united voice would be “very helpful for the negotiators” — with another round of talks due in three weeks. If a deal was not completed by mid-year, he said, there was a danger that it might hang over until next year.
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there ya`go dumpty, full story above for`ya, (no edits or pranks)
Good sub-editors are back in vogue.
Universal trade liberalisation in agribusiness will insure that we can feed the growing middle classes around the world. To try and counter this push would be inhumane and strategically foolish.
If the farmers and graziers of the world want to work in harmony, surely that’s a good thing.
””’Universal trade liberalisation in””’
””’surely that’s a good thing.”””
yeah, the colonial powers have been telling that to Africa for centuries now,
the few benefits will go those at the top,
the many drawbacks will go to those at the bottom,
#AsUsual
‘yeah, the colonial powers have been telling that to Africa for centuries now,’
This is the 21st century and China is the biggest kid on the block, we need to have some faith in this neo-capitalist model.
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‘More than 500 workers will lose their jobs when Electrolux closes in Orange.
‘There will be more than 100 job losses from Simplot and a further 100 jobs lost when Downer EDI in Bathurst closes its doors.
‘Mr Truss said he wants to see the time that workers have until their jobs go used effectively, and the Government will support them in that.’
The Western Advocate
When will this ever end??
Management always gives the same answer. Cost of business is too high in Australia and it is not possible to make a profit.
Its the end of manufacturing in this country until we replace humans with machines, only then will we have a level playing field.
Oh my dog!
‘AGRICULTURE Minister Barnaby Joyce has vowed to wage a “mighty battle” in cabinet to convince his colleagues to sign off on a $7 billion bailout of “distressed” farm loans and avert a “complete and utter financial meltdown”.
‘Addressing a packed crisis meeting of farmers in southwest Queensland on the weekend, Mr Joyce warned that rural debt in Australia had reached an unsustainable level of $70bn and that 10 per cent of it was unlikely to be repaid.’
Oz
This is getting ridiculous. We have to grow and make some things here.
Management always gives the same answer for moving manufacturing offshore- cost of business.
It would be interesting to find out how much business cost needs to be cut before manufacturing can become competitive. If it is only a 10-20% cost reduction it may be possible.
Toyota asked their workers if instead of shutting down for 3 weeks could they reduce the Christmas shutdown to 10 days. A reasonable request. But the Unions said no. I guess Unions would say we fought hard to get our 3 week Christmas break and if we give in we will be working for $2/hr in a few months time.
‘This is getting ridiculous. We have to grow and make some things here.’
The free market will create opportunities, yet unseen. This is a big sandy island with a quarry and a market garden, surely with our economies of scale the future looks bright.
This period of transition is bumpy and requires cool heads in Cabinet.
It isn’t simply the cost of running existing manufacturing facilities. Aging plant requires either regular overhaul and repair or replacement.
Overhaul/shutdown periods are fraught with industrial relations risk, and work is cut out, deferred to reduce the exposure. Over time plant becomes inefficient and uncompetitive, it is just run into the ground.
Australia could have survived as a manufacturer, but it would have had to justify the high cost by having a reputation as disciplined and uncompromisingly reliable in supply of work. Unfortunately we have the complete opposite reputation.
If you had a few $billion sloshing around to invest, where would you put it? Most investors put Australia well down the list for manufacturing.
‘If you had a few $billion sloshing around to invest, where would you put it?’
I would buy SPC and invite the Chinese to become partners.
EGG, said …
The lower classes are better served by a free and competitive open market.
And earlier …
Australia signed an FTA with the United States in 2004, with two-way trade currently around A$60 billion.
Well this lower class … 🙄 … can’t buy much from the States … try buying a camera or a BD.DVD movie or any type of tech and you get “This product cannot be shipped to Australia” and the shipping costs are horrendous … so much for a FTA … wonder who it “really” benefits … just look at Game of Thrones – I’m still waiting to buy S3 BD …
Just a reminder, egg, the Yanks are not our friends … they WERE distant cousins … nor are the Brits our friends … just our mother … and she’s on her deathbed …
Its time for Australia to grow up and make our own friends in the neighbourhood … we left home a long time ago now … keep in touch on special days by all means … but we need to live our own lives …
FTAs DO NOT HELP those on lower incomes … you obvioulsy don’t realise that capitalism is a greedy technique to makes as much money as you possibly can and gloat about it because you’ve got more than anyone else … once you have enough you can make anyone do anything … supposedly …
And we do not have a FREE COMPETITIVE OPEN MARKET … if we did this discussion would not be happening!
TVs are cheap.
‘… just look at Game of Thrones – I’m still waiting to buy S3 BD …’
Ah yes, first world problems.
Teabag said
“coca cola amltal is major shareholder is `coke-usa`,
major shareholder meaning 51% or more,
therefore, spc is 51%or more yank owned, ”
Which is crap. CCA is not majority owned by Coke USA.
Coke USA holds 29%
“Furthermore to my surprise even people who post here are a little like me. We are suspicious of how some countries prepare their food.”
And I’m very surprised that the Domestic Food Industry does not campaign on that very theme.
Lord knows what imported food has been grown in or what has been sprayed upon it.
If you have ever seen the Mekong River you would not buy Vietnamese prawns from your local fish shop
Agribusiness, of every variety, has a safe future because of our good quality controls. The emerging 600 million middle class Chinese desire our produce for that reason.
coca cola amltal is major shareholder is `coke-usa`,
major shareholder meaning 51% or more,
has been wrongly reported by teh embedded-media,
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http://ccamatil.com/ABOUTCCA/Pages/CompanyOverview.aspx
correction, coke-usa is the largest shareholder holding 29% of stock in coca-cola amatal, not the major-51% as previously reported,
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therefore, spc is 29% yank owned,
another misleader is the amount, $25-million taxpayer,
that is just the welfare seeking from the feds,
another $25-million welfare will automatically kick in from the state govt.
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the true total amount of welfare asked for by the 29% bludging yank coke outfit is $50-million, twice as much as being publicised
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it is always hard to find a bigger disgrace than a billion $ parasite
Indeed, but their shareholders come first.
“it is always hard to find a bigger disgrace than a billion $ parasite”
Agreed! Sell the ABC now.
“coca cola amltal is major shareholder is `coke-usa`,
major shareholder meaning 51% or more,
has been wrongly reported by teh embedded-media, ”
Not wrongly reported by the “embedded-media” I have seen.
Just wrongly reported by YOU
oh, oh, sell it, we can`t have the public informed
#MindlessChanting
Breaking-up aunty will create greater diversity, in particular the blooming of the 5th Estate.
”””’wrongly reported by the “embedded-media”””’
tv news, not sure which one,
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wrongly repeated by me
that`s why the correction, and link,
found out here,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-31/matthewson-spc/5229740
it was in my inbox, well before your blubbering 🙂
wrongly repeated by me
How totally unusual.
Some ideas worth considering.
https://www.taxpayers.org.au/the-abc-is-out-of-control/
SPC –
1. Let it close
2. A consortium of fruit growers purchase it cheaply (no one else will)
3. Hire a professional outsourcing organisation to run it
4. Hire only those employees who are aligned with efficiency
5. Sell it again in a few years
“oh, oh, sell it,
we can`t have the public informed“The only information the public receives from the ABC is the leftist talking points of the day. The ABC is an excellent insight into mental manure that passes for leftist “thought” these days. The theft of public resources by a cabal of looney-tune leftists is a shameful disgrace, a blight on civil society but exactly what you would expect in Unionland.
Funnily enough leftist Media Watch host (and being on the ABC, Media Watch has only ever had leftist hosts) Paul Barry said:
Meanwhile dim-witted dead-enders still shriek and squawk that the ABC did nothing wrong.
Agreed! Sell the ABC now.
LOL! You can alsmost smell the hatred/fear … burn all the books too! 😆
The only information the public receives from the ABC is the leftist talking points of the day.
And our alternatice “source” becomes?
The ABC have some great entertainment not just a information source (ad free) too … short sighted perhaps … ?
He said the ABC needed to admit it had “got it wrong”.
Mmmm … I missed that – I thought they did … like any other news outlet would …
“And our alternative “source” becomes?”
If you are of a leftist bent your could try Fairfax, Crikey, New Matilda, Green Left Weekly, The Conversation, The Guardian or Cafe Whispers.
“The ABC have some great entertainment”
They do indeed. It is sad that the provision of other services is imperiled by the juvenile bias of the leftist clique bent on misappropriating public resources for their own political ends.
“I missed that – I thought they did … like any other news outlet would …”
Not according to the lunatic in charge of that asylum, Mark Scott:
If we could just sack all the journalists and do a rehire, taking only the old fashioned scribes who go after the stories without bias.
The climate change debate would heat up considerably.
What utter fucking rot..sack jouno’s old fashion scribes, leftist bias…Obviously splatter and egg know fuck all about journalism or the media. I’m really sorry that you all fail to understand the concept of how journalists set a high bar when they actually gather news. Simple that was a story…unlike the Murdoch press where they are not happy unless they are spreading lies and hanging or castigating someone…:roll: Love to see the equivalent of media watch run on Murdoch press (run by Paul Barry a liberal incidentally)
Your analysis reads like a dweeb with a house full of ikea discussing fine furniture building with a master craftsman..all melamine and Alan Keys
And Egg if you are so knowledgeable on that subject why don’t you write some papers for peer review by the scientists back at your old Alma mater who are amongst some of the best experts in the world, i’m sure they would love your scientific input.
‘In a $37 million move, one of China’s biggest textile manufacturing companies has snapped up two of Victoria’s most prized pastoral properties in the fine merino heartland of the Western District. The deal, shrouded in secrecy and confidentiality clauses, is the first step by the Zhejiang RIFA Holding Group towards establishing an elite merino sheep and fine wool empire in Australia.’
Sue Neals / Oz
‘Obviously splatter and egg know fuck all about journalism or the media.’
I can’t speak for my mate, but I was a journalist last century and not with the Murdocracy. Its perfectly acceptable for Fairfax to lean to the left and Murdoch to the right, but the taxpayer funded ABC should be impartial otherwise half the electorate will want to close them down.
Its perfectly acceptable for Fairfax to lean to the left and Murdoch to the right
Acceptable? Even though their own codes of conduct, and the overarching journalistic code of ethics, deny that?
Egg if you were a journalist you would understand that it it is thee Abc’s job to report. The problem with conservatives is they hate anything that deviates from their propaganda. What about the drum,media watch, q and a, four corners and the insiders? what all left…? ridiculous.
Let’s start with China, as it hasn’t happened yet.
http://www.dfat.gov.au/fta/acfta/
“What about the drum,media watch, q and a, four corners and the insiders? “
All of them presented or edited by leftists. There are no non-leftists in such positions in the ABC. All presenters of Media Watch have been of the left. That is how things work in Unionland – supposedly independent government funded bodies are colonised by leftist vermin who use the public purse to spread their disease.
Let’s start with China, as it hasn’t happened yet.
Why not? Oh yea, they want to allow state-backed foreign investment of as much as one billion Australian dollars (US$1.03 billion) without regulatory scrutiny. Whats the bet the Liberals don’t have a problem with that. After all, Sovereignty is only applicable when you are in a boat built to sink
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324493704578430060714430262
All presenters of Media Watch have been of the left.
Really?
I only voted Liberal at the last election as a cover.
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3937354.htm
And Uhlman? He is of the left? In fact, many have been commenting how often Labor politicians are talked over when the Liberal ones are left free reign, or the growing number of “technical difficulties” suffered when Labor Politicians are doing a press conference, especially as they launch into damaging exposes over exposing false allegations about Liberal claims, the most recent being Shorten at SPC.
Purely coincidental, of course.
I voted Green for years after the children overboard lies. Doesn’t make me a leftist. Nor does voting for the best candidate for ALP leadership, Malcolm Turnbull. Barry is taking the piss.
“Nor does voting for the best candidate for ALP leadership, Malcolm Turnbull, make Barry a conservative.”
Splatter Bottom, you really are a fact deficit nong? … Paul Barry, I reiterate..votes Liberal as admitted on media watch …as does the current Chairman of the ABC. What utter contemptible unsubstantiated rot you speak….
You obviously dont watch the ABC dickhead. Maybe instead of spouting all this empty pea brained, clueless analysis of what you think is going on you should watch this.. You’re obviously takin the piss
http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/view/81455042
Lets all read this again shall we… You Liberals like to listen to Liberals..
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-sharman-stone-accuses-tony-abbott-and-joe-hockey-of-lying-over-spc-ardmonas-workplace-agreement-20140204-31y52.html
I feel dirty postling this Murdoch tripe but it seem to be all the Abbot Fan club..lie lovers seem to read
http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-eric-abetz-misrepresenting-spc-ardmona-says-liberal-mp-sharman-stone/story-fncynjr2-1226817309652
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/workers-targeted-says-mp-20140204-31ziy.html
Leftist propaganda right? Joyce seems to be very caucious on Q and A after being rolled on the issue..
Bed Pann: “You obviously dont watch the ABC dickhead. Maybe instead of spouting all this empty pea brained, clueless analysis of what you think is going on you should watch this.. You’re obviously takin the piss”
Get a grip, man. No actually you probably need to loosen your grip and let the swelling subside. Maybe when you are not in the throes of self-pleasury you will calm down and be a bit more rational. By the way, how do you manage the vinegar strokes with tweezers?
For the record I spend a great deal of time with the ABC – radio, TV and on the web. My favourite TV program is on the ABC – Gruen. I listen to Philip Adams most nights and Lucky Oceans thereafter. And I spend a lot of time on News Radio – Glen Bartholemew was a brilliant breakfast host, and I still try to catch a bit of him. But I am not stupid enough to believe that I am getting anything other than a narrow leftist view of the world.
Far too often we are presented with a bunch of pontificating anus-fingering leftists posturing to see who has the most exquisite conscience.
If your comments here are any guide, it is no wonder you are right at home with the ABC.
Fuck you talk some ridiculously contradictory bullshit… Splatter 🙄
””””smell the hatred/fear _ burn all the books too”””””’
you`re right on the money there TB,
every time l see the`bags` spout anti-nbn, sell-abc, pro-ipa clap-trap,
and l reckon it is the modern day equivalent of goose-stepp`in off to a good`ol fascist book-burn`in an` commie`union beat-down,
Yeah Ricky, l noticed sharman stone isn`t happy with the teabags plan, and doesn`t seem willing to let mr-rabbit and the zombies chuck her under the bus, my bet is sharman is the one to watch, and will be the most interesting in the coke-bludge saga. Teh zombies have already fcuked-up by trying to link pleb-wages/ot to cokes bludge. Mr-rabbits support has now dropped for this `Linking`.
‘THE vast majority of workers at embattled cannery SPC Ardmona are entitled to lucrative redundancy payouts of up to two years’ wages, the union representing the workforce has confirmed. Confirmation of the entitlements comes amid a bitter brawl between Tony Abbott and local Liberal Party backbencher Sharman Stone, who has implied the Prime Minister lied about the generosity of conditions at SPC in rejecting the company’s pleas for industry assistance.’
Wallace and Crowe / Oz
who has implied the Prime Minister lied
Actually, they need to keep up, she confirmed that was a suitable word.
And, unfortunately, he did lie, and continues to. SPC were absolutely correct to put out their statement and set the record straight. Pity the Australian cannot accept simple facts, but they seem to have a history of that, especially when it affects their chosen bandwagon
‘IN his former life as a union leader, Bill Shorten led SPC Ardmona workers on a six-day strike during the harvest season, winning them an extra eight days “leisure time”. Amid debate over the workers’ enterprise agreement and its role in the company’s financial woes, a 2004 press release has emerged in which the now-Opposition Leader claimed to have changed SPC working conditions “forever”.
Ben Packham / Oz
SPC should be able to export their back into profit, because they can supply safe food.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2014-02/07/content_17269863.htm
China is an enormous market.
‘export back’