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Rostrum: Don’t Panic Edition

February 14, 2014
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Bangkok – an actual photo taken by me

Hello and good afternoon.

It’s reb here, posting LIVE from Bangkok at ground zero of the international riots!  

Despite hysterical reports to the contrary, I can report that since I have been in Bangkok there has been no civil unrest or violent riots even though the entire CBD of Bangkok city has been shutdown by dissidents.

I see it as just part of my international mission to bring peace to the world.

You’re welcome.

Jason Donovan tried this once when he was stitched up with Kylie and just look how he ended up.

You see it’s important to have a mission in life, and while some of you less ambitious types are happy to waste your entire lives away doing tax returns in Sydney’s Northern beaches or developing new cardigan patterns, the more enlightened amongst us are charged with more altruistic goals.

Let’s face it Julie Bishop is clearly out of her league, a conclusion I reached after watching her being interviewed on the Australian TV network last night (thanks ABC), where she insisted that it is important for Australia to “recognise the importance of China’s continued growth as a new economic power.”

I guess this hadn’t occurred to anyone before.  Similarly she added that Australia needed to adjust to “changing global economic circumstances.”

I found myself nodding in agreement, while wondering how we had survived this long without the magnitude and insight of this intellectual heavyweight.

China, apparently is Australia’s “best friend” according to Ms Bishop.  A courtesy that Prime Minister Tony Abbott recently extended to Indonesia as we coincidentally careered towards an international crisis with our nearest neighbour.

Britain too, is our “best friend” according to Mr Abbott, as is the USA, Canada and New Zealand.

Julie Bishop maintains that India too is our best friend, as we come to accept that the USA is essentially a basket case.

Is there anyone we have missed out…?

Please send in your requests, and the The Gutter Trash team of international diplomats will gladly lobby for “best friend” status on your behalf.

 

 

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479 Comments leave one →
  1. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 14, 2014 1:25 pm

    Is there anyone we have missed out…?

    Japan. Although, perhaps their correct title is BFFE?

  2. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 14, 2014 1:30 pm

    Can anyone remember when unemployment was this high?

    Was it when the global economy trashed and unemployment skyrocketed to double digits in many other countries similar to Australia?

  3. February 14, 2014 2:58 pm

    Reb did you start the riots? come clean did they skimp on the sapphire in your G&T? Did they blaspheme the Jesuit jingoistic joke? what set you off?

  4. Walrus permalink
    February 14, 2014 3:55 pm

    “Can anyone remember when unemployment was this high?”

    Yes,

    And Wayne Swan predicted it at this level in his Budget last May under ALP rule

    So what’s your point ?

  5. February 14, 2014 4:38 pm

    it wasnt and it is now perhaps?..in fact its the highest since…wait for it…… Abbott was employment minister…fuck now there’s a surprise,,,not 🙄

  6. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 14, 2014 4:40 pm

    So what’s your point ?

    That this Government promised us that they would be better, not the same or worse.

    Was I right about when it was this high last time?

  7. egg permalink
    February 14, 2014 4:58 pm

    The unemployment rate is still below the long term average.

    http://www.eurekareport.com.au/graphs/list

  8. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 14, 2014 5:19 pm

    The unemployment rate is still below the long term average.

    The skies the limit with this mob egg.

    In fact, it looks like Tony Abbott has exceeded all of Wayne Swans wildest dreams, as his (well, Treasuries) prediction was for it to reach 5.75% (that is still lower than 6 isn’t it Walrus?)

    http://www.afr.com/p/business/budget_swan_makes_business_pay_for_zMo6WSQacpzMGiuzuewJVP

    GoTones!

  9. Walrus permalink
    February 14, 2014 6:02 pm

    “(that is still lower than 6 isn’t it Walrus?)”

    Ooooopsie !

    My mistake…………..it was actually in the PEFO of August 2013 which is far more recent and makes your claim even more hypocritical .

    “The unemployment rate is expected to increase from 5.6 per cent in the June quarter 2013 to 6¼ per cent in the June quarter 2014, and stabilise at that rate through to the June quarter 2015.”

    http://www.treasury.gov.au/PublicationsAndMedia/Publications/2013/PEFO-2013

    Just goes to show Chris Bowen was equally inept as Swan.

    Afterall he had 2 months to turn the economy around after Swan but he blew out unemployment by a whopping 8.7% more

  10. egg permalink
    February 14, 2014 6:12 pm

    ‘The skies the limit with this mob egg.’

    They fully intend to grow the country which should keep unemployment below the long term average, but there is a high level of economic uncertainty.

    If the US continues to print money Aussie dollar will firm, which makes our exports expensive. To remain competitive they will need to sack workers and replace them with improved mechanisation.

    Earlier I mentioned the cannery Simplot who threatened to go to NZ, but instead they decided to sack half the staff and replace them with machines. This is the future and there are no Luddites in town.

  11. Walrus permalink
    February 14, 2014 6:16 pm

    “…….Was it when the global economy trashed and unemployment skyrocketed to double digits in many other countries similar to Australia?”

    Which countries are those ?

    You do have a list of the ones which had federal government surpluses in November 2007.

    I look forward to seeing that list.

    I’ll pop in later to have a look.

    So get cracking……………LOL

    Time for a beer

  12. Walrus permalink
    February 14, 2014 6:18 pm

    “………but instead they decided to sack half the staff and replace them with machines. ”

    Not just that Egg

    I heard just this afternoon that Rio Tinto are sending their finance areas off to India

    Not even accounts people are safe………..

    “Oh the humanity”

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2014 6:19 pm

    Can we get one of those above ground concrete train lines that block out all sight of the sky?

    Bangkok is so modern.

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 14, 2014 6:30 pm

    If there is one incident that will cause an immediate reconciliaton between us and Indonesia, it’s the Chinese navy sailing along the coast of Bali.

    Tension will be over shortly.

  15. Meta permalink
    February 14, 2014 6:31 pm

    (Yes, those who took the blue pill would have noted that the LNP did say they were intending to unleash – by exporting more Advanced Services, including more financial services, to Asia.)

  16. February 14, 2014 6:40 pm

    Oh the irony…what rhetorical nonsense…Abbott has the same unemployment rate he had as Employment minister..game set and match. Fiberals are in government not opposition..FFS

    Fiberals hate truth, disabled, anyone under 100K, scientists, academics, the environment, artists, fibro…. anyone who dont live in Toe rack, Double standards Bay.or anyone they cant lead around by the snout with a nosering to the faux free market pig trough with promises for melted down gold teeth and free coal seam gas,

  17. February 14, 2014 6:50 pm

    ”””””””””””Julie Bishop is clearly out of her league, a conclusion I reached after watching her being interviewed on the Australian TV network last night (thanks ABC)”””””

    Last Night.? 🙂 Nice of`ya to catch up.

    Yeah, l noticed the `best-friend` status being splashed about like a lawn-sprinkler a while back. l suppose this indicates their willingness to engage in `all-fours` diplomacy with just about anybody.

    #cringeWorthy

  18. February 14, 2014 6:56 pm

    http://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-largest-solar-plant-started-creating-electr-1521998493

    Oh that’s right we have a green army, where are they directly missing in action?

  19. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 14, 2014 7:32 pm

    “The skies the limit with this mob egg.

    I was reading at Catallaxy and they posted the unemployment rate in Victoria. The Australian unemployment rate was similar.

    From 1983-1996 approx 6% was as low as it got. During 1991, 1992 and 1993 we had 30 months of double digit unemployment.

    The amazing thing was in 1993 we had an election and Keating won with unemployment at double digits. In Victoria unemployment was above 12%.

    I conclude that facts are irrelevant.

  20. February 14, 2014 8:00 pm

    “Bangkok is so modern.”

    Indeed it is YoM, indeed it is.

    Who needs the sky anyway, when you have a high speed sky train that takes you anywhere that’s worth going to.

    Australia could learn a thing or two from the Thais.

    For example, Thai people are very gently spoken, as it’s considered the height of rudeness to raise your voice.

    Have I mentioned that before?

    WELL HAVE I….??!!!

  21. February 14, 2014 8:02 pm

    “Oh that’s right we have a green army”

    The green army is coming soon… It’s Abbott’s equivalent of Labor’s Insulation scheme…

    They’e just trying to think up a new name for it.

    Abbott’s “Not a work-for-the-dole scheme” has already been ruled out.

  22. February 14, 2014 8:13 pm

    l don`t know if you heard reb, the State based Teabags crumbled and have gifted bludging-Coke/spc with $22million, the State will ask for it back off Coke (apparently) if spc/Coke folds within 5-years.

  23. February 14, 2014 8:13 pm

    See what happens! The minute I choose to leave, the whole place descends into chaos!

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/thai-police-move-reclaim-protest-sites-22510073?singlePage=true

  24. February 14, 2014 8:15 pm

    Yes, I had heard about that “reheated.” (Thank you 🙂 )

    It appears that “market based capitalism” no longer works…

  25. February 14, 2014 8:18 pm

    Leaked Indonesian navy report says Australian incursions into their waters were frequent and on 6 January Australian ships knowingly ‘violated Indonesian territory’

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/14/australian-navy-incursion-into-indonesian-waters-intentional?CMP=soc_567

  26. February 14, 2014 8:30 pm

    ”””””””Suropati said Indonesian naval intelligence showed that the Australian vessels had come within seven miles (11km) of the shore on Rote island. Indonesia’s territorial waters extend to 12 nautical miles (22km).”””””””””

    Did Mr-Rabbit say, who`ya gonna believe,

    another nation with large territorial waters, OR,

    our qualified skype perverts with faulty gps.?

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    February 14, 2014 8:31 pm

    Can anyone remember when unemployment was this high?

    Chuckle … sReb an’ me fer two … and Wally and sb and I think KL and egg and ToM ………

    Why do we always get the “unemployment figure” … why not the “employment figure” ie 94% … 🙄

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Leaked Indonesian navy report says Australian incursions into their waters were frequent and on 6 January Australian ships knowingly ‘violated Indonesian territory’

    No! Does that mean the RAN “may” have been “ordered” to incurse violate international waters by the GOVERNMENT?!?!?!

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 14, 2014 8:35 pm

    Yes and no boats for 8 weeks.

    Meaning we can slowly remove all the people in the concentration camps set up by Labor and the people who voted for Labor and replace them with people from UNHCR camps.

    Like we did under John Howard.

  29. February 14, 2014 8:37 pm

    “It appears that “market based capitalism” no longer works…”

    Why would cnuts like David Gonski bother with that kind of nonsense when it’s so easy for him hold governments to ransom by threatening unpopular, localised job losses?

    #screwthetaxpayer

  30. February 14, 2014 8:42 pm

    ””’the “unemployment figure” _ why not the “employment figure” ie 94%””’

    TB, they are both bullshit, not accurately reflecting the situation, for years now.

  31. February 14, 2014 8:55 pm

    ”””””””’the RAN “may” have been “ordered” to violate international waters by the GOVERNMENT””””’

    l wondered that myself TB,
    one thing for sure is, if that is `what` happened, we can rest assured that Mr-Rabbit and his zombies will shove as much blame onto `ran` as possible.

  32. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 14, 2014 9:02 pm

    “one thing for sure is, if that is `what` happened, we can rest assured that Mr-Rabbit and his zombies will shove as much blame onto `ran` as possible.”

    NO!!!!

    One thing we can be sure of is ALP supporters will play politics with this issue as much as possible.

  33. February 14, 2014 9:04 pm

    And by Boats of course Reb… Astroboy mean, No reports for three weeks. Since you left the Directorate of propaganda has changed the word “reports” to “boats” so when they say no Boats they mean no reports, confusing isnt it….well thats the general idea so noggs like kneel get a little confused…like they did when Johnnies stories went “over board” whilst adopting One nation as policy advisors then having Attack Dog Tonty do a number and lay the slipper into their leader.

    Can’t have those kiddies eating the healthy stuff… They are gonna introduce smoking in skools cause Cwissy already has a smoking lobby rock spider working on his new re-education package that gets rid of all the nasty bits….

    I give her 10/10 for execution of a perfectly executed sqwirm
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/assistant-health-minister-fiona-nashs-chief-of-staff-alastair-furnival-resigns-20140214-32qol.html

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    February 14, 2014 9:06 pm

    one thing for sure is, if that is `what` happened, we can rest assured that Mr-Rabbit and his zombies will shove as much blame onto `ran` as possible.

    My assertion when the story broke tbag …

    One thing we can be sure of is ALP supporters will play politics with this issue as much as possible.

    NO!!!! A cry of despair?

    If the government can be proven to have manipulated the RAN to violate international law then the GG has the authority to dismiss the government …

    Watch this space!

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 14, 2014 9:09 pm

    TB

    All you voted for in 2007 was the construction of concentration camps.

    You are now trying to absolve your conscience, if you have one.

  36. egg permalink
    February 14, 2014 9:45 pm

    ‘why not the “employment figure” ie 94% …’

    LOL

    ———–

    Big volcanic eruption in Java interrupts air travel.

  37. February 14, 2014 9:58 pm

    ””””””no!!!!!!!!!!”””’

    our easily impressed lock-steppers are shrill tonight 🙂

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 14, 2014 10:02 pm

    No i am just telling the truth.

    You get thrills playing politics with difficult issues.

  39. egg permalink
    February 14, 2014 10:16 pm

    This idea is more romantic than a tax on a harmless trace gas.

    http://australianpolitics.com/2014/01/21/mobilising-the-green-army.html

  40. February 14, 2014 10:17 pm

    What like throwing Pauline Hanson and Peter Slipper in Jail or doing the whole children overboard tango? Astro boy you need to look at a murdoch paper or wait for a string pull ya muppet. You wouldn’t know the truth if it was attached to your fat head and administered with 240 volts, aren’t your batteries flat yet rice bubble?

  41. February 14, 2014 10:23 pm

    Aint love grand todays Herald

  42. egg permalink
    February 14, 2014 10:38 pm

    ‘The Courier-Mail can reveal new details of the Green Army, which is open to 17-24 year olds, including school leavers, gap-year students and those on Newstart. Participants will be paid an allowance of between $10.14 and $16.45 an hour for 30 hours – which will be considered full time.

    ‘The national project will be outsourced to service providers, who have been told to have no less than $10 million in public liability insurance.

    ‘Taxpayers will subsidise a uniform for the green thumbs, who will be given one pair of steelcap boots, one broad-rimmed hat, one pair of work gloves, one pair of heavy duty long pants and at least two long-sleeved shirts plus wet weather protection and jumpers or jackets in cold climates.’

    Renee Viellaris / Courier Mail

  43. February 14, 2014 11:02 pm

    What like this Egg?

  44. Walrus permalink
    February 14, 2014 11:55 pm

    “…….Was it when the global economy trashed and unemployment skyrocketed to double digits in many other countries similar to Australia?”

    So where is that list of countries JJ ?

    You know the ones with government well into surplus in Kevin07 ?

    Ok

    I’ll come back later….. I understand

  45. Meta permalink
    February 15, 2014 12:09 am

    (I thought it was very prudent for young Pete to sell off the lazy assets to swell a hitherto unfunded obligations future fund with the intention of investing those sums overseas right before a forecasted global economic tsunami, too; and he’s just the man to oversee investment of those future super payments in Aussie infrastructure, now.)

  46. public toilet permalink
    February 15, 2014 12:40 am

    I think you are seriously underestimating the protest vote against SlaveChoices in 2007, Neil. You know, the issue that actually posed a ‘real world’ threat to the pay & conditions of enough people to spook them & see Howard given the arse?
    Not so much, the confected, overstated, manipulated & politically propagated ‘threat’ from ‘boat people’…as ugly as that whole issue has played out to be.

    I think that a majority of Australians would happily ignore the plight of asylum seekers, but if you fuck with conditions of employment you are courting political suicide.
    Asylum seekers are a useful political push button issue, but they don’t impact a person’s earnings in any meaningful way.

  47. Walrus permalink
    February 15, 2014 12:56 am

    Yes Meta

    Little Pete kept a lot of Telstra in that Fund

    More Ozzie companies need a cuddly kangaroo as an emblem to garner National Outrage.

    Gotta fly that flag at?

    I wonder if Telstra had a Koala as an emblem ?

    Perhaps a Tassie Devil for Woolies ?

  48. February 15, 2014 12:57 am

    l tend to agree with`ya point on `slave-choices`, but the `push-button` factor could easily run in reverse once Mr-Rabbits `austerity program goes into full swing and taxpayers start noticing the billion$ of `hard-earned` being throw on the bonfire to bastardize boat-people.

  49. Meta permalink
    February 15, 2014 1:23 am

    (I don’t know; it was probably just a coincidence that SlaveChoices was considered/designed to be more apt/suspicious for a recessionary environment than a faux-surplus one; and it was probably also just a coincidence that a disguised recessionary environment with a record private credit-debt burden fueling the accounting money-go-round would have made SlaveChoices even remotely, erm, acceptable to more-flexible wage-and-debt slaves bent over the barrel when the never-had-it-better music stopped, say, with a credit crunch.

    Not that persistent over-taxation for persistent over-taxation’s sake isn’t also to be lauded.

    After all, nothing attests to conservative values like big government and big taxation and big de facto ponzi schemes and big generosity with other people’s money, I guess; except maybe a distraction or two, like a big war or a big demonising of nominal outgroups.)

  50. Meta permalink
    February 15, 2014 1:40 am

    (Yeah, the conspiracy theorist and/or realist in me likes to think that Pete needed more time to find a way to hide the ever-so-secret Telstra patches and cables duplicating all sorts of packety stuff, and the sending of it to very secret joint intelligence bases; at least before Julian or Chelsea or Ed outed Australia’s long-standing complicity in the generalised practice of nations’ turning blind eyes to friendlies (un)lawfully intercepting stuff on foreign soil, and then intelligence-sharing that stuff amongst each other, to get around domestic prohibitions; maybe a thorny lizard, for Telstra, if so.)

  51. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 7:27 am

    ‘UP to seven giant unmanned aircraft would be bought for $3 billion under a government plan that would transform the country’s ability to patrol its borders. The move could see unmanned planes with the wingspan of a 737 passenger jet patrolling the ocean used by asylum-seeker boats to Australia’s north within six years.’

    Cameron Stewart / Oz

    Three billion seems like an awful lot of money to spend on surveillance.

  52. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 9:20 am

    Ricky the important political point about Abbott’s green army is that when the tax on a harmless trace gas is eliminated he will need something to prove he’s not a heartless bastard. All our grandchildren on spaceship earth will die a terrible death because of the monk’s indifference to this ungodly threat.

    His cynicism is beyond belief, basically he’s only interested in watermelon votes and reckons at $300 million its a good investment ‘going forward’.

  53. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 15, 2014 9:24 am

    So where is that list of countries JJ ?

    Wow, keen aren’t you. Here’s a list for you

    USA, Ireland, Greece, Spain

    Will that help you keep your hat on for a while?

    Elsewhere

    I conclude that facts are irrelevant.

    I had gathered that was your position for quite a while now

    Why do we always get the “unemployment figure” … why not the “employment figure” ie 94% …

    Teabag said it well

    not accurately reflecting the situation, for years now.

    The rate is now just a political game. It’s just that some don’t want to play when the shoes on the other foot.

    Yes and no boats for 8 weeks.

    What are all those things the Navy is incurring Indonesia’s territory for then?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/14/australian-navy-incursion-into-indonesian-waters-intentional

  54. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 15, 2014 9:28 am

    From the above link, looks like brave Sir Morrison is prepared to throw our Navy under the bus. They should have expected no less from him. I feel sorry for the personnel involved. They have just become unwilling pawns for this Government.

    On Friday, Indonesian navy spokesman Commodore Untung Suropati told Guardian Australia the 6 January incursion was a knowing and intentional breach by the Australian navy.

    ………….

    On Friday, a spokeswoman for the immigration minister, Scott Morrison, reiterated that the incursions occurred “unintentionally and without knowledge or sanction by the Australian government”.

    Denial is the “adult” thing to do I guess

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2014 10:02 am

    I thought sreb had banned the bugger but it seems he’s in jail!

    http://www.news.com.au/world/alleged-killer-eric-millerbergs-dramatic-courtroom-transformation/story-fndir2ev-1226827173886

    😆 😆

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Why do we always get the “unemployment figure” … why not the “employment figure” ie 94% …

    Teabag said it well

    I hope you’re not confusing TeaBag and me JJ … I don’t always agree with everybody on this blog and I would hate to be misquoted … 🙄

    I’m quite used to others putting words in my comments on my behalf … and attempting to read my mind … but I prefer my comments to be attributed to me … not others … they may get upset … just think sb is pretty close to tb … 😉

    Just sayin’ …

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2014 10:06 am

    On Friday, a spokeswoman for the immigration minister, Scott Morrison, reiterated that the incursions occurred “unintentionally and without knowledge or sanction by the Australian government”.

    Well that’s at least 30,000 voters and then their families gone to the LibNits … or are Abbott & The Acolytes stupid enough to think that the ADF members don’t vote … or they are stupid …

    Absolutely insulting comment from Morrison … to all serving and ex-members … this hopefully will really blow up in their mangy faces …

  57. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 15, 2014 10:14 am

    I hope you’re not confusing TeaBag and me JJ

    I’m not sure that is possible TB. It probably didn’t come across too well in the end, but, I liked Teabags reply to your statement about “Why do we always get the “unemployment figure” … why not the “employment figure” ie 94% …”

    TeaBag replied “not accurately reflecting the situation, for years now.” Which I think is true. Underemployment and part time jobs have almost made the simple ’employment rate’ a joke. It’s a brave new world. I wonder if I would be brave enough were I just entering the job market now. I have lived a life on full time employment. I’m not sure how I would handle part time as my only source of income.

    Mind you, full time is as fleeting as part time in some respects in this day and age.

  58. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 15, 2014 10:17 am

    this hopefully will really blow up in their mangy faces …

    I can’t see that happening TB. The major networks appear to be running a protection racket for him. No mention of this on any station I saw, or no mention (except lateline last night) of the Health Misters fiasco.

    In Gillards time, the entire evening news would have been filled with this, and of course every fanciful implication that could be derived. Now, Federal politics is apparently off the menu. Well, any with bad news that is

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2014 11:26 am

    It’s great to see patricia at cw back in top form, deleting comments she doesn’t like, controlling discussion and sanctifying Our Julia.

    She’s in top form!

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 15, 2014 12:19 pm

    In Gillards time, the entire evening news would have been filled with this, and of course every fanciful implication that could be derived. Now, Federal politics is apparently off the menu.

    Yes, what’s the point in colluding with the owner of a criminal media enterprise to defraud the nation if they don’t mind your back. TA Tony has always grubbed up to powerful and influential people to get where he is today.

    Wonder why the scoop of the century is barely mentioned here?

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/the-murdoch-trials-and-the-australian-media-airbrush,6169

  61. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 12:36 pm

    ‘Millions of Australians are interested in following the Murdoch trial,’

    Doubt that, perhaps a small group of leftoids might think its newsworthy, but its irrelevant to many millions of Australians.

  62. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 15, 2014 12:42 pm

    but its irrelevant to many millions of Australians.

    The patriarch of our nations media is caught knee deep in filth, and we aren’t interested? You sure about that?

  63. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 12:48 pm

    Pretty sure. What we need is a definitive poll to settle the issue.

  64. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 15, 2014 1:23 pm

    What we need is a definitive poll to settle the issue.

    Who needs a poll. I would say that their dwindling sales figures is a good enough indication of how the choice of stories they decide to let through their filter is interesting the country.

  65. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 15, 2014 1:27 pm

    There is a group of workers whose conditions far exceed the perks at SPC Ardmona that were described by prime minister Tony Abbott as “extremely generous” and nominated as a reason the Commonwealth refused the company’s request for a co-investment grant.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/14/spc-shiny-tin-allowance-nothing-next-to-pollie-perks-ceo-bonuses

    I’d say Thomson would be wishing he had perks like that back at the Union.

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 15, 2014 1:38 pm

    “I had gathered that was your position for quite a while now

    Yep facts are irrelevant. People have beliefs and getting people to change beliefs is like getting people to change religion.

    Keating won an election when in govt with unemployment at 11%. If the Coalition went to an election from govt with unemployment that high they would never win but Labor did.

  67. Tony permalink
    February 15, 2014 2:40 pm

    “Absolutely insulting comment from Morrison”

    Then again, there’s the possibility Morrison is stating the facts of the matter.

  68. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 2:51 pm

    ‘I would say that their dwindling sales figures is a good enough indication’

    Fairfax has taken a bigger blow.

  69. February 15, 2014 2:55 pm

    ””””””””””””Why do we always get the “unemployment figure” … why not the “employment figure” ie 94%
    .
    TeaBag replied “not accurately reflecting the situation, for years now.” Which I think is true. Underemployment and part time jobs have almost made the simple ‘employment rate’ a joke.”””””””””

    underemployment, you`re on the correct track Jagged,

    some time ago, (l think John`W) the unemployment `#numbers` stopped being an `actual-count` and was replaced with some kind of quasi `calculation` with made `#numbers` become an `average`, `mean` or something (l_forget_exactly), but the take-away is the #numbers are #not a true count.

    Our Lame teabag-media have failed spectacularly for over a decade now, by not reporting much on this, and totally omitting the #under-employed category altogether.

    Those that have watched the `pbs-news-hour` on sbs1 over the last decade would notice, they never let the yank-politicians crap on about `unemployment` numbers and not address #under-employment as well.

    #deadbeat Australian Teabag-media

  70. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 2:55 pm

    JJ its a universal problem because of the communications revolution, they are all taking a hit.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/08/16/newspaper-circulation-results-shocker-the-contagion-edition/

  71. February 15, 2014 3:10 pm

    ””””””””’realist in me likes to think that Pete needed more time to find a way to hide the ever-so-secret Telstra patches and cables duplicating all sorts of packety stuff, and the sending of it to very secret joint intelligence bases””””””””’

    agree meta,

    most of the interwebby stuff aussies use is yank-based, twitter, wordpress, fakebook, google, (email, yahoo, hotmail) and teh-usa split and back-up all incoming `foreign` web-data, probably phones too,

    the web-cable leaves Aust, in Qld and comes ashore in southern california, and l can assure you with certainty that, that cable has a splitter(tapping) for the nsa/homeland/spook data copying and storing.

    (Echelon is also part of teh-usa spook/tapping on the radio-wave side.)

    The recent `global-internet` map recently published in teabag-madia is false/incomplete and did `not` show this on the map.

    (Yay For Snowden)

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 15, 2014 3:14 pm

    some time ago, (l think John`W) the unemployment `#numbers` stopped being an `actual-count` and was replaced with some kind of quasi `calculation` with made `#numbers` become an `average`, `mean` or something (l_forget_exactly), but the take-away is the #numbers are #not a true count.”

    I wish you would speak English. I have no idea what you are talking about but it reminds me what ALP supporters continually told me back in 2007. Johnny changed the way the unemployment rate was measured. All lies of course

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-14/janda-doing-a-job-on-employment-figures/4009594

    The underemployment rate is the bureau’s answer to the criticism that one hour of work a week is enough to have someone classed as ’employed’ in the headline unemployment figures.

    As a side note, the one-hour-a-week figure is an international standard, so that Australia’s headline unemployment rate can be directly compared with other countries. The ABS mounts a convincing argument for using this figure in its ‘Understanding the Australian Labour Force Using ABS Statistics’ document.”

    The unemployment rate is determined by a poll conducted by the ABS. It is a combination of telephone polling and face-to-face interviews. I think the first poll is conducted face-to-face and then followup polling is conducted by telephone.

    And the definition of being employed is if you work one hour per week. Now this is the method used in all OECD countries so we can compare numbers.

    You can say it is a strange way to measure being employed but you can’t say the method has changed. It has been this way for the last 40 years.

  73. February 15, 2014 3:19 pm

    By the way, l`m looking forward to the Snowden lnterview / doco coming up this week too.

  74. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 3:20 pm

    ‘I wish you would speak English.’

    Strongly agree, tea remains a very small target.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2014 3:21 pm

    According to Galaxy, the LNP’s primary vote has fallen from 49.2 per cent to 35 per cent while Labor’s vote leapt by more than 17 points to 48 per cent.

    Independent Len Thomas snared 8 per cent, more than the Greens’ 6 per cent. On a two-party preferred basis, Labor leads 57 per cent to the LNP’s 43 per cent.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/galaxy-poll-ahead-of-redcliffe-byelection-reveals-primary-support-for-lnp-has-dropped-since-election/story-fnii5v6w-1226827699494

  76. February 15, 2014 3:27 pm

    ”””””As a side note, the one-hour-a-week””””
    thanks kneel, l have always said this,
    .
    ”””””figure is an international standard,”””’
    implemented when.?
    .
    ””””The unemployment rate is determined by a poll”””’
    yep, NOT an actual count out of the `dole-payments` database,
    thanks for your help kneel

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2014 3:30 pm

    Yep facts are irrelevant. People have beliefs and getting people to change beliefs is like getting people to change religion.

    LOL! Especially young Libs … 😆

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    some time ago, (l think John`W) the unemployment `#numbers` stopped being an `actual-count` and was replaced with some kind of quasi `calculation` with made `#numbers` become an `average`, `mean` or something (l_forget_exactly), but the take-away is the #numbers are #not a true count.

    Shifted to the ILO formula …

  78. February 15, 2014 3:45 pm

    ””””’Shifted to the ILO formula”””””

    thanks TB, got any idea what ILO means/stands-for.?

  79. February 15, 2014 3:56 pm

    With it`s 7%-to-12% decline, it seems Limited-News is losing a lot it`s Lock-steppers. 🙂
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/08/16/newspaper-circulation-results-shocker-the-contagion-edition/

  80. February 15, 2014 4:07 pm

    dumpty”’we need is a definitive poll to settle the issue.”””
    .
    jj””Who needs a poll. I would say that their dwindling sales figures””
    .
    .
    Dumpty`s not bright enough to realize, `circulation` and `ratings` are a continual measure on how crap/not teabag-media is, and is done on a regular basis JJ.

  81. February 15, 2014 4:36 pm

    the much discussed shiny tin allowance was, in fact, a 50 cent an hour bonus paid to forklift drivers who were skilled enough to stack unlabelled (i.e. shiny) fruit tins up to 9m high.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/14/spc-shiny-tin-allowance-nothing-next-to-pollie-perks-ceo-bonuses

    Yes. The teabags are arguing over `50-cents`/hour.

    Workplace relations minister Eric Abetz ridiculed SPC’s “shiny tin” allowance as an example of “conditions” that were “regrettably over-generous”.

    With eyebrows arched in astonishment, he told ABC’s Insiders that “the shiny tin allowance for forklift drivers … was removed in 1991

    Which was scraped in 1991, but the teabags still find 2-decades old, obsolete work-rights a problem.

    When Joe Hockey says everyone in Australia must do the heavy lifting, is that everyone except politicians and executives?

    The teabag wet-dream.

    There is a group of workers whose conditions far exceed the perks at SPC Ardmona that were described by prime minister Tony Abbott as “extremely generous” and nominated as a reason the Commonwealth refused the company’s request for a co-investment grant.

    Perks available to this lucky group include a round the world first class fare for themselves and their spouse, with accommodation and expenses, every year, as well as allowances to buy any books and publications they want and generous airfares and travel allowances with a very broad definition of the “work” they need to be doing to qualify. And, guess what, they get to determine a lot of the guidelines and rules for the perks themselves.

    This group of workers is of course federal politicians.

  82. February 15, 2014 4:39 pm

    Federal back-benchers (starting-pay) get about $3500 per week. Mr-Rabbit/Joolya over $8000 per week.

  83. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 4:39 pm

    ‘Dumpty`s not bright enough …’

    My Dissertation (Communications MA) was on this very subject, so I have a little academic knowledge and first hand experience in the workforce.

  84. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 15, 2014 4:39 pm

    implemented when.?

    I think it was Keating who implemented it, to cries of outrage. It is a stupid measure, but it is the international one. I would prefer an average of workers on 38hrs/week by number of people looking for full time work and those currently in it, or something along those lines, to get a better picture of where we are really at

    Limited-News is losing a lot it`s Lock-steppers.

    Limited-News is a different beast. The media arm is simply a business tool murdoch uses to pressure Governments to set rules beneficial to his other financial interests. He stopped being a newspaper man when he bought 20th Century-Fox. Since then. his newspapers have been a means to an end, and has hastened the decline in standards of all other media outlets in the process.

  85. February 15, 2014 5:02 pm

    ”””’He stopped being a newspaper man when he bought 20th Century-Fox.”””

    l agree Jagged, BUT,

    the situation is now different. Limited-News is now divorced from foxtard-films and now must perform for it`s own stock-holders, without foxtard-film-welfare, which has kept Rupert`s toys afloat.

    Teh-Terror and teh-Hun are profitable, but l can`t see their staff remaining happy providing 25-million$-welfare propping up teh-Oz on a never-ending basis.

  86. February 15, 2014 5:07 pm

    ””I have a little academic knowledge””

    l agree. Very Little.

    (and no common sense)

  87. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 15, 2014 5:10 pm

    “Federal back-benchers (starting-pay) get about $3500 per week. Mr-Rabbit/Joolya over $8000 per week.

    So what is your point/solution?? Head of the ABC is on $800K/year. Lots of fat cats in the PS are on similar money.

    You seem to be saying SPC workers should be getting the same money.

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2014 5:10 pm

    The Abbott government will need to offer financial assistance to the country’s entire aviation industry to level the playing field if it gives Qantas a helping hand, Virgin boss John Borghetti says.
    Mr Borghetti said he would be knocking on Canberra’s door for the same deal within 24 hours if the government provided ”cash or financial backing or a guarantee of some description” to Qantas

    Virgin should f**k off. There are no government imposed ownership (and therefore share price) constraints on them.

    Give up their current ownership turnover, impose the restrictions, then they can stick their hand out.

    Really, Virgin are a pack of quick buck shysters, carpetbaggers, used car salesmen in expensive suits, they have cheaper labour than Qantas, have much of their engineering and maintenance work performed overseas, and they still whinge. John Borghetti’s career should have peaked when he was running a crew of baggage handlers in Sydney.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-bailout-virgin-wants-to-get-on-board-20140214-32rgf.html#ixzz2tMsqCRs0

  89. Meta permalink
    February 15, 2014 5:12 pm

    (Does Uncle Rupert have any interests other than being a media baron? Like, he must earn personal income as a boardy-type, ’cause that’s in the corporate financial reports; and he probably has other side-businesses and JVs besides; but what does he like to invest that less-apparent money in, other than the seven-figure lairs?)

  90. February 15, 2014 5:25 pm

    ”””’Virgin should f**k off.”””’
    Agree. so should Qantas.
    .
    ”””no government imposed ownership””’
    Should happen at Qantas too.
    .
    this now applies yomm, or will soon,
    ””Qantas, have much of their engineering and maintenance work performed overseas,”””
    .
    yomm, do you want any taxpayer welfare for airlines.?

  91. February 15, 2014 5:31 pm

    Tues 9.30 `Dateline` on sbs1, that`s the ed snowden doco/interview folks

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2014 5:47 pm

    Apparently Qantas proposes to pay the government a fee, in return the government will underwrite borrowings.

    This seems reasonable in circumstances where government legislation is actually damaging the business.

    By the way, how many tradespeople does Virgin employ?

  93. February 15, 2014 6:12 pm

    The mainstream media in Australia has given little attention to the Murdoch staff trials, except for a few snippets.

    This is an astonishing abuse of power, because the case has enormous consequences for Australians, given Murdoch’s media power and his deep association with the current government.

    Imagine, for contrast, the coverage that will be given when the Rolf Harris trial begins.
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/the-murdoch-trials-and-the-australian-media-airbrush,6169

    The `more` important a topic is, then our teabag-media ignore it `more` l reckon Armchair.

    The mainstream media in Australia has given little attention to the Murdoch trials in London. Rodney E Lever says this is an astonishing abuse of power.

    What is now usually referred to in British media as “the hacking trials” is now well into its fifth month in the historic Old Bailey courts in London.

    Working example of not allowing corporations become monsters, and why Govts. are stupid to not default to the `consumer-advocate` position, once certain level of market-share has been reached.

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 15, 2014 6:16 pm

    I think there is a possibility that the Unions will do to Qantas what they did to Toyota and Holden.

    They keep getting the workers so many benefits the companies go broke.

  95. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 6:17 pm

    ‘The `more` important a topic is, then our teabag-media ignore it `more`…’

    They give the punters what they want in the hope of increasing sales, a forlorn hope. The Murdocracy covers weather well.

  96. February 15, 2014 6:22 pm

    ””””””’This seems reasonable in circumstances where government legislation is actually damaging the business.”””””’

    So you prefer Govt. to continue to fcuk about with Qantas `ownership`, so Qantas can extort `welfare` from Govt.? ls that correct yomm.?

  97. February 15, 2014 6:33 pm

    “Then again, there’s the possibility Morrison is stating the facts of the matter.”

    The cone of silence (for our own good, GUFFAW!) ensures we’ll likely never know for certain; unless we get a RAN whistleblower (yay for whistleblowers…the thorn in overreaching governments’ sides).

    So, let’s suppose Morrison isn’t “stating the facts of the matter”? then how do you view the situation? Happy to go along with ‘it’s a means to an end’? Ideological protection racket.

  98. February 15, 2014 6:38 pm

    FFS, Neil, you demonstrate an rohypnol ability to assimilate the most exotic conservative generalist inaccuracies, hook, line & fucken sinker.

    Extract head from anus.

  99. February 15, 2014 6:39 pm

    ”””’it’s a means to an end’? Ideological protection racket.”””””

    the mindless chanting will continue 🙂

  100. February 15, 2014 6:42 pm

    ”””””’They give the punters what they want”’TO

    ”””’The Murdocracy covers weather well.””’FOR an ever diminishing audience of Lock-steppers.

  101. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 15, 2014 7:30 pm

    ““Federal back-benchers (starting-pay) get about $3500 per week. Mr-Rabbit/Joolya over $8000 per week.””

    You made the comment but did not answer my question. What is your point??

    Head of the Reserve Bank is on $1M/year. Mark Scott is on $800K/year. PS fat cats are on similar amounts.

    Michael Williamson head of the ALP was on $400K/year. And ripping off poor people as well.

    Do you think SPC workers should be paid $200K/year???

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2014 7:45 pm

    thanks TB, got any idea what ILO means/stands-for.?

    International Labour Organisation …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    My Dissertation (Communications MA) … that’s interesting, egg … you studied in the USA?

    We usually call it a thesis in Australia …

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    February 15, 2014 7:57 pm

    You made the comment but did not answer my question. What is your point??

    FFS! Kneel, pollies perks far exceed any skilled workers pay and conditions … and pollies are all amateurs – ie no skills, no knowledge, no experience … if they worked for me they’d start by cleaning the toilets … to get skills, knowlede and experience … of something!

    Lawyers, bankers, investors and union reps – (they aspire to politics, Kneel, ’cause they see a quick quid dollar) – don’t have any hands on experience when it comes to running a home, a business and especially a country …

    The closest we’ve come to any real knowledge is a fish and chip shop owner and a bloke who made his dough as part of the white shoe brigade in Queensland and bought up mines and fucked up a tourist resort … and they are both dickeads of the upper echelon – the best of the worst …

    Go Clivey!

    The country is run by over paid – and overpaid for fkn LIFE! – WANKERS … of all political persuasion …

    And you ask … “What’s your point? …”

    Maybe we should rename you, The Mole … oh, shite, you won’t know why – because they live in a hole in the ground and they’re blind … its sarcasm OK?

  104. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 8:01 pm

    ‘FOR an ever diminishing audience of Lock-steppers.’

    You’re living in the past.

  105. February 15, 2014 8:04 pm

    ”””’did not answer my question.”””’

    lt happens. Especially with the `unrelated` to conversation types.
    (Wot TB said, too)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    #iLO thanks TB. 🙂

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 15, 2014 8:04 pm

    “Kneel, pollies perks far exceed any skilled workers pay and conditions … and pollies are all amateurs – ie no skills, no knowledge, no experience

    OK i agree.

    But SPC is in trouble. The fact is if we pay SPC workers what we pay our politicians it would not survive.

    OK. Life is immoral. Does Mark Scott, head of ABC, deserve $800K/year??

    What do we do??

  107. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 8:05 pm

    ‘We usually call it a thesis in Australia …’

    Well, they called it a Dissertation. It was from a post modern Australian university and I didn’t do it online.

  108. February 15, 2014 8:07 pm

    ”’FOR an ever diminishing audience of Lock-steppers.”’

    ””””””’You’re living in the past.”””””””

    not according to this (your link dumpty)
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/08/16/newspaper-circulation-results-shocker-the-contagion-edition/

  109. February 15, 2014 8:09 pm

    ”””and I didn’t do it online”””’

    agree, you merely attended, at best

  110. egg permalink
    February 15, 2014 8:27 pm

    One year at CSU with useless lecturers.

  111. February 15, 2014 9:55 pm

    l would suggest lecturers were not the one`s that fit the term `useless` dumpty,

    (and taking your pillow and blanket did you no favors)

  112. Walrus permalink
    February 15, 2014 10:45 pm

    “Wow, keen aren’t you. Here’s a list for you
    USA, Ireland, Greece, Spain
    Will that help you keep your hat on for a while?”

    “So where is that list of countries JJ ?
    You know the ones with government well into surplus in Kevin07 ?”

    Did they all run surpluses prior to November 2008?

    Ok I’ll trust you on that but you will provide a Link
    …..I’ll just wait for a while

  113. Walrus permalink
    February 15, 2014 10:46 pm

    Oops I meant 2007

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 15, 2014 11:19 pm

    Shane Warne falls heavily for Sydney-based hairdresser Zanbagh Khalili less than a month after dumping fiancee Liz Hurley

    Well done by Our Shane. She does seem nice, particularly with the nicely pumped up lips. Natural looks may suit some people, but not women.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/shane-warne-falls-heavily-for-sydneybased-hairdresser-zanbagh-khalili-less-than-a-month-after-dumping-fiancee-liz-hurley/story-fnk825aa-1226823428004

  115. February 16, 2014 12:04 am

    As usual Astroboy is completely wrong on every count.Kneel you really are fucking stupid, your embarrassing yourself as this antagonistic belligerence is beyond your intellectual capacity, you are quite simply the but of jokes around here? I have a feeling you are someone else as an alias because nobody could possibly be that imbecilic

    According to today’s article Mr Scott earns $678,940 per annum, while media website Mumbrella reports his counterpart at Channel 7 earns $2.6 million, and Nine CEO David Gyngell “looks set to pocket a package of around $10m a year”.

  116. February 16, 2014 12:16 am

    Then Egg if you are such a prudent journalist you should venture back to your alma mata at kenso and meet with some of the greatest authorities in the world on climate science, i’m sure they would be happy to give you any information you need. I can hook you up if you want, but if you are ex UNSW they’d be happy to supply you with their latest peer reviewed research..

    http://www.ccrc.unsw.edu.au/

    Also if you have expertise in circulation what are your thoughts on the copies printed and given away counting as actual circulation, including the 10k per week given to educational institutions free by murdoch?

  117. egg permalink
    February 16, 2014 7:39 am

    UNSW CCRC is the Klimatariat. Turney, England etc. are the enemies of reason, but I’ll say no more on that here.

  118. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:40 am

    Well done Liberals. Labor stopped an entire Industry in order for Indonesia to clean up their act. And we still got on well with them. The Liberals have not only reset our relationship built up over 40 years, but are now taking it even further back. For no reason except to demonize those less fortunate.

    In what may be perceived as a further snub to Australia, the Indonesian Military (TNI) has said its decision to allow Chinese naval vessels to pass through waters in Indonesia’s southern territory near Australia was in the nation’s best interest.
    ………….
    He also said it was in Indonesia’s best interests to forge closer relations with China by accommodating their requests.

    “Consider it a token of our friendship [with China],” he said.

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/02/15/ri-thumbs-its-nose-oz-accommodating-chinese-fleet.html

  119. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:43 am

    Did they all run surpluses prior to November 2008?

    What is with these arbitrary goal posts? I don’t know, I don’t care, I know they went into double digit unemployment, and are countries similar to Australia. We are all in the OECD, and have similar, democratic societies.

  120. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:56 am

  121. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 9:27 am

    I think this says it all.

  122. February 16, 2014 9:49 am

    Egg You will say no more because you have never been there and would not have the journalistic balls to actually talk to scientists from your own alma mater as you know it would be a little harder to knit pick out of the blogasphere where you can impress research retarded zombies like Astroboy Kneel. Journalism 101.. speak to experts, irrespective of your own view, your description is not only disrespectful to your old Uni…it speaks volumes of your ability as a “journalist”

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:22 am

    Did you know that we (sreb and I that is) destroyed a blog commenter’s journalistic career one? Or so he said … simply because we disproved the BS he was posting …

    At least, egg’s comments are generally one para stuff … and … if you watch carefully … cherry picked cut and pastes from a variety of sources … it’s focus is extremely narrow and original thought is raer …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have to address this shite – again …

    KNEEL

    But SPC is in trouble. The fact is if we pay SPC workers what we pay our politicians it would not survive.

    No-one is suggesting that we pay SPC workers the same as pollies …

    … let me put it this way … according to Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott the nation is broke (in your own words “in trouble”) … then shouldn’t all politicans pay, in-service perks and past service emoluments be severely curtailed … or the government be put out of business so a Chinese company can take over?

    … and should not politicians have a fixed target to achieve within their term of office or be sacked …

    … should workers at SPC be offered a three year term where they can just fart around at work do what they like and then be sacked if management can remember who all then bludgers were? (Just like our politicians?)

    🙄 🙄 🙄

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:31 am

    😯

    Just read that link, RP … that is a massive cohort!

    I’ve copied a couple of quotes (below) because a lot of people here can’t seem to follow links … 😉

    Right-wingers tend to be less intelligent than left-wingers, and people with low childhood intelligence tend to grow up to have racist and anti-gay views, says a controversial new study.
    Conservative politics work almost as a ‘gateway’ into prejudice against others, say the Canadian academics.
    The paper analysed large UK studies which compared childhood intelligence with political views in adulthood across more than 15,000 people.
    ….

    ‘In psychological terms, the relation between intelligence and prejudice may stem from the propensity of individuals with lower cognitive ability to endorse more right wing conservative ideologies because such ideologies offer a psychological sense of stability and order.’

    ‘Clearly, however, all socially conservative people are not prejudiced, and all prejudiced persons are not conservative.’

  125. egg permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:33 am

    ‘Egg You will say no more because you have never been there…’

    Its against blog rules to talk about the weather or climate on the wrong fred, but I am allowed to say you are an ignorant cnt.

  126. February 16, 2014 10:36 am

    TB the word “Journalist” is used like “Love” and “hero” diluted to meaningless in the cultural low standard void. ….Seriously TB why would you bother you may as well try and teach an elephant how to skip 🙄

  127. egg permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:38 am

    ‘it’s focus is extremely narrow and original thought is raer’ (sic)…

    My global cooling meme is original.

  128. February 16, 2014 10:45 am

    Yeah didn’t think so… No Egg, hardly ignorant, i’ve been there twice I urge you to do the same as any real journalist worth their salt would.Go to the source rather than the sauce. 🙂

  129. February 16, 2014 10:50 am

    “Right-wingers tend to be less intelligent than left-wingers, and people with low childhood intelligence tend to grow up to have racist and anti-gay views, says a controversial new study.”

    I’m inclined to agree.

    Also, when people come from impoverished backgrounds it seems they often resent others from different nationalities and backgrounds.

    The Nazis blamed the jews for the nation’s woes, and right now in Uganda gays (and people who are merely suspected as being gay) are being rounded up and beaten and killed.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/mob-attacks-men-they-believe-to-be-gay-in-nigerian-capital-abuja/story-fndir2ev-1226828336527

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/experts-concerned-that-advances-in-genetic-sequencing-are-giving-rise-to-neoracism/story-fn5fsgyc-1226828291896

  130. February 16, 2014 10:52 am

    “Did you know that we (sreb and I that is) destroyed a blog commenter’s journalistic career one? Or so he said … simply because we disproved the BS he was posting …”

    Yes, that was comedy gold.

    I think I was also personally responsible for his wife’s ill health too at the time.

  131. egg permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:52 am

    If you go to a corrupt source and rehash their one sided viewpoint, then that is propaganda. No, I’m only interested in getting to the truth.

  132. February 16, 2014 10:58 am

    “If you go to a corrupt source and rehash their one sided viewpoint, then that is propaganda.”

    No that would be “interpretation.”

    When you simply repeat their “one sided viewpoint” verbatim, that’s propaganda.

  133. February 16, 2014 11:31 am

    Egg you have no interest in truth, that is why you wouldn’t go to the source. You, like the current impervious to truth pig headed deniers of fact have labeled these esteemed professional of peer reviewed scientific fact as propagandist. You are not a journalists ass and quite frankly a failure as a journalist. If you were even close to reasonable you would stop using your cnl c an v keys and get some facts from the source. Then you could formulate a rebuttal based in science.

    The CCRC is not a political organisation, you are projecting your obviously poor journalistic failings by “labeling” them as such to support your own blogashere unsubstancia. If you are so confident on your original “meme” publish a paper for peer review and submit it to your old alma mater… I will organise an event for your launch if you like complete with marching band and party balloons ….

    Reb this is my point….this discounting of fact with substantiation is atypical of what elected this government. The divide and concur rule. I watched Scott Morrison on Insiders this morning and the arrogant agression was comtemptable. I think this bloke has hit a new high for grub surpassing Reith and Ruddock combined. This guy would have made a great NAzi, never wrong and a sense of superior combatant morality that only fundamentalists posses.

  134. February 16, 2014 11:38 am

    “This guy would have made a great NAzi, never wrong and a sense of superior combatant morality that only fundamentalists posses.”

    Agreed. As would about 90% of those “serving” in the Liberal Party.

    I can’t bring myself to watch Insiders anymore, however I was just reading some of his remarks at this article…

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/indonesian-border-breach-claims-false-scott-morrison/story-fn9hm1gu-1226828505319

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 16, 2014 12:22 pm

    “Agreed. As would about 90% of those “serving” in the Liberal Party.”

    I disagree. It is the other way around. Leftists, socialists are natural totalitarians. If allowed they would exterminate anyone with a differing view.

  136. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 12:51 pm

  137. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 12:52 pm

    oops, wrong thread

  138. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 12:57 pm

    I don’t know if Piracy is the correct term. It’s more akin to People Smuggling.

    It would appear that at least three times in recent weeks the Australian navy and also the customs service has detained Indonesian and other foreign citizens traveling on boats heading for Christmas Island, a territory under Australian sovereignty.

    They were people intending to claim refugee status on arrival in Australian territory, which is a right guaranteed under international law. From reports in the Australian press, the initial detentions either took place on the high seas or in Australian waters. (By Max Lane, Melbourne)

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/02/15/issue-day-is-australian-govt-engaging-piracy.html

  139. egg permalink
    February 16, 2014 3:39 pm

    ‘When you simply repeat their “one sided viewpoint” verbatim, that’s propaganda.’

    Hmmm…. we can expect an even handed post from the editor very soon.

  140. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 16, 2014 4:17 pm

    I guess these fresh revelations won’t help things with indonesia

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/16/australia-spied-indonesia-talks-us-firm

    Usually we only hear from the murdochracy about china mass spying on everyone that they can, it appears australia and the US are right up there with them, but reporting any of that is considered unaustralian and treasonous.

    I would like to see another show of chinese might that wouId cause the eyes of our ruling class to boggle. g’arn just do another run, for the fun of it!

    Perhaps they could assist the indonesians with their recent piracy concerns [see headline above]

    RI thumbs its nose at Oz by accommodating Chinese fleet:

    The fleet, consisting of surface vessels and submarines, was returning to China from anti-piracy training in the Gulf of Aden last week, said TNI spokesman Rear Adm. Iskandar Sitompul late on Thursday.

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 16, 2014 4:21 pm

    oops, forgot the link, that headline was from the jakarta post
    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/02/15/ri-thumbs-its-nose-oz-accommodating-chinese-fleet.html

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 4:44 pm

    This’ll cheer certain negative Liberal supporters …

    Intelligent people might want to be prepared to keep their teeth clenched …

    http://www.solarquotes.com.au/abbott.html?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=contentamplification_abbott

  143. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 4:50 pm

    Ricky, see if you can identify the irony in your contribution. I’ve left some clues. Nine of them in fact.

    As usual (comma?) Astroboy is completely wrong on every count.(Space?)Kneel (apostrophe?) you really are fucking stupid,(Full Stop?) your(apostrophe…”e”?) embarrassing yourself as this antagonistic belligerence is beyond your intellectual capacity, you are quite simply the but(butt?) of jokes around here?(Statement or question?) I have a feeling you are someone else as an alias (meaningless phrase) because nobody could possibly be that imbecilic(Full Stop?)

  144. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 4:52 pm

    *The first apostrophe should be a comma. It developed an inflated sense of its own position.

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 4:58 pm

    I can’t bring myself to watch Insiders anymore

    Me too … a pointless exercise … I find my mind wandering listening to Emma Alberici, on Lateline, tell people what they should be saying too …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I disagree

    Well, fkn ell, that came out of left field … who wudda supposed?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    KL, my understanding is that the RAN ships were at least seven kilometers inside the 22 klm limit … anyone with GPS installed in their car will tell you that is an unintentional impossibility!

    The Abbott Liberal Government can only have ordered that incursion …

    … and listening and watching Scott Morrison on TV in recent days he is playing a dangerous game with our closest international neighbour … he is arrogant to the point of being physically belligerent … and he is playing the attack is the best form of defence game because the officers and crews on those ships know what happened – it will only take one whistleblower for Morrison’s house of cards to tumble …

    .. he is playing a very knife-edge game of chance with his career but even worse our national safety and reputation …

  146. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 5:07 pm

  147. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 5:10 pm

    see if you can identify the irony in your contribution. .;’!?…..It developed an inflated sense of its own position.
    ???!!!

  148. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 5:10 pm

  149. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 5:12 pm

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 16, 2014 5:15 pm

    “It developed an inflated sense of its own position.

    It is not alone around these parts.

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 16, 2014 5:19 pm

    morrison insists that the navy did not enter indonesian waters intentionally. So, the only other explanation is that the navy is incompetent and despite the best navigational equipment available, didn’t have a clue where they were.

    morrison seems so sure that he will never come undone.

    It’s likely that the government feels assured of US backing since we have long been their gutless lickspittle, grovelling to US interests in trade, war and even spying.

  152. February 16, 2014 5:50 pm

    ` 🙄 `oh?`sNacky,!` 🙄 `puNctuAtion?,,`poLice!.,` 😆 ` 😆 ` 😆 `

  153. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 5:54 pm

    I just think it’s useful when denigrating another’s intelligence that one ought to probably get their own house in order first. Nine grammatical or punctuation errors suggests that Ol’ Ricky is hardly an intellectual master. At least, not so much as he has the right to go Neil the way he did.

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 5:59 pm

    Chuckle …

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 6:01 pm

    It is not alone around these parts.

    I agree …

  156. February 16, 2014 6:06 pm

    l think you`ll find most of us use some sort of short-cuts in our comments, whether it be slang, punctuation, (`) or (…) or don`t use capitals, each has her/his own style. lt IS a blog, not a dictionary.

    Kneel provides a limitless supply of stupid, which comes in a continual circle of teabag talk-points/derp and often begs `repeatedly` to be spanked.

  157. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 6:10 pm

    These weren’t short cuts. These were bastardisations of the English language. Additionally, I have no truck whatsoever with spelling and grammatical errors, except in circumstances where, as above, you have some character trying to lord it over another with use of big words etc and in doing so rendering their denigration entirely ineffective.

    In short, Ricky’s a wanker.

  158. February 16, 2014 6:29 pm

    oh snacky, in a squabble between ricky and kneel, you come up with,

    ”””In short, Ricky’s a wanker.”””””

    the only answer to this is ` 🙄 ` 🙄 ` 🙄 ` 🙄 ` 🙄 ` 🙄 ` 🙄

  159. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 6:43 pm

    No, I came up with more than that, the wanker bit was just a summary.

  160. Meta permalink
    February 16, 2014 6:43 pm

    (Not that it really matters, given that it’s an obvious distraction from dealing with matters of substance; but I’m perty sure that dictionary-flaming and grammar-policing was an invention of the Victorian-era and beyond, designed to one-down the Othered classes anew as Anglo-Norman and Latin and Greek withered as bespoke tokens of the priestly former-High Tongue(s), and as mass (re-)education in the Mother Tongue of the Angles caught on; even the best-educated English before that were apt to spell the same word half-a-dozen different ways in same sentence, and to construct no two sentences alike in a paragraph, when committing multivarious dialectal orality(ies) to affixed lexical form. All one has to do, to confirm the (in)variances, is read any old old English case, if it’s Snacty’s lawyering of others, once again, that’s to be the ready measure; and if Snacty is not predisposed to accepting a suggestion that the peak thinkerists of the legal profession of the day, and the basis upon which all the common law is founded, was, and is, nine-and-ninety-ways stoopid, too.)

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 16, 2014 6:52 pm

    [quotation mark] ni sohtr[comma] snact[apostrophe]s a wakner [fullstop, quotation mark]

  162. February 16, 2014 6:55 pm

    DUMPTY`s””’comments are generally one para stuff, cherry picked cut and pastes from a variety of””’

    USUALLY-TEABAG””’sources, it’s focus is extremely narrow and original thought is””’RARE

    *************************

    ”””’But SPC is in trouble.””””

    more fcuking teabag bullshit, spc`s bludging-COKE-owners are worth 8-to-9-billion$, and make HALF-a-Billion$-Profit or more per year. This is nothing more than an exercise in Corporate Greed, promoted by morons and the corrupt. As the Vic-Premier has thrown away $22-million of his States budget, l will predict Mr-Rabbit will be highly resistant to any future requests from him for `assistance` for his State.

  163. February 16, 2014 6:59 pm

    @6.52 haha, well done armchair 🙂

  164. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 7:13 pm

    Yes, very clever, Kittylitter. As one who has complained so bitterly of being bullied online in the past, as though you were, I’m (un)surprised at your contribution in this instance.

  165. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 7:14 pm

    Meta misses the point…….not for the first time.

  166. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 7:18 pm

    Grammar bullying?

  167. February 16, 2014 7:27 pm

    ln the matters of kneel v ricky before us today, the jury has returned the verdict that,

    snacky chose the wrong client.

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 7:34 pm

    Perhaps you could remind people how you got your “blog name” – James … me being the instigator an’ all that … 😉 😆

  169. egg permalink
    February 16, 2014 7:35 pm

    ‘DUMPTY`s””’comments are generally one para stuff, cherry picked cut and pastes from a variety of””’

    ‘USUALLY-TEABAG””’sources, it’s focus is extremely narrow and original thought is””’RARE’

    I keep it brief because leftoid tweeters have limited attention spans and I unashamedly cherry pick and quote mine for the same reason.

    The contrarian sources are more reliable than the corrupt UNSW Klimatariat who are praying (it requires faith) for another big El Nino which will heat the planet. Its amazing they don’t see the irony in this thinking.

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 16, 2014 7:37 pm

    not guilty

    it has been shown that while ricky is guilty of spelling and grammar errors, it is actually not a crime.

    costs awarded to the prosecution

  171. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 7:48 pm

    I named myself Ol’ Sancty in response to TB calling me a sanctimonious old prick once. I don’t recall why.

    What’s not guilty, Kittylitter? Of course grammatical errors are not a crime (except when you’re big noting yourself with big words in an attempt to put down another, in which case it’s wise to get it right, and even wiser not to engage in the put down).

    The rush to Ricky’s defence here says plenty.

    I’ll put it bluntly. Neil was arguing the case. There was no basis for the insulting attack by Ricky on him. Neil calls people “lefties”, true. That’s nowhere near as insulting as “Teabag”, with its connotations.

    Oh, and Kittylitter, if a Defendant is found not guilty, usually costs are awarded to the defence……….

  172. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 16, 2014 7:59 pm

    i think neil calls people ‘leftoids’ and liars, why is that nowhere near the same as teabag? the connotations are much the same IMO.

  173. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:00 pm

    oh my mistake, i meant costs awarded against> the prosecution!

  174. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:05 pm

    Teabag, it’s not a dirty word!

    I don’t recall why.

    grammar Policing Perhaps???!!!!…..;;;;;;,,,,,

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:05 pm

    TB calling me a sanctimonious old prick

    Correction a “sanctimonious prick” …

    I don’t recall why.

    Just read the comments above and consider how you ponced in here after weeks away … 🙄

    And “costs awarded” is a misnomer, generally – not always – a percentage of costs are awarded (usually 75%) …

  176. egg permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:08 pm

    Welcome back James.

  177. February 16, 2014 8:09 pm

    l doubt you will find the foxtard network interviewing folks calling themselves `leftoid/s` from a `leftoid/s` party, still wanna argue about`teabag`.?

  178. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:21 pm

    More unpatriotic swill

    AN Australian spy agency offered to share with its US counterpart information from surveillance of an American law firm representing Indonesia in trade disputes with the US, the New York Times reports.

    I wonder if the brave soldiers at The Australian will jump into Oi Oi Oi defense mode and berate these corrupt, UnOztraylian muppets who foster this kind of skullduggery against the forces of Goodness and Abbottry

    Oh, wait.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/australia-spied-on-indonesia-trade-talks-report/story-fn59nm2j-1226828560839

  179. February 16, 2014 8:23 pm

    I’ll sing you a song a song of the blog,
    shanty’s a tosser,
    He sticks up for kneel in a circle they flog,
    Shanty’s a tosser.
    Puerile and inane his point is just dumb
    Shanty’s a tosser
    His grammatic persnickety he can shove up his bum
    Shanty’s a tosser
    Kneel make no point with reference nor fact
    Shanty’s a tosser
    Just parrots opinion and murdochery wank
    Shanty’s a tosser
    So shanty get fucked, when I post from my phone
    Shanty’s a tosser
    Some spaces are missing like the one in your dome
    Shanty’s a tosser
    So you can pick on blog grammer but you cant face the fact
    Shanty’s a tosser
    You’re an insidious bore astroturfing wank hack
    Shanty’s a tosser

  180. February 16, 2014 8:30 pm

    oh snacky, you just got flogged big time 😆

  181. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:35 pm

    More unpatriotic swill”

    If you are talking about the phone tapping of the wife of the Indonesian President, that happened under Rudd in case you have forgotten.

  182. February 16, 2014 8:41 pm

    yeah you really showed me, 🙄 Neil is a really bad astroturfer that adds nothing whatsoever to debate, I pick on him because is insults my intellect with parroted stupidity he recycles from Bolt Hadley and Murdoch…

    I’m sick to death of him writing love letters to John Howard with the Costello version of unsubstantiated rubbish. I will keep bitch slapping him every time he uses terms like leftoid and posts inane drivel. At least Walrus substantiates his point…Sacty Shanty Shonky donkey is just a blow looking for a mouth.

  183. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:47 pm

    I am not sure why some people show such interest in what i post.

  184. February 16, 2014 8:50 pm

    How about Doug Antony meeting with CIA operatives in Parkes, whilst Khemlani was negotiating loans for the Nugan Hand Bank run by the CIA, who plotted to bring down Australian democracy in the most treacherous act in Australian political history Kneeeely boy.

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:51 pm

    I wonder if the brave soldiers at The Australian will jump into Oi Oi Oi defense

    I wonder if we are spying on that other business that wants to rule the world – News Ltd … after all he claims both US and Oz citizenship … whenever I see him the word lizard pops into my mind …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    RP, very clever …

    … but I’ve always liked James (we do have history – obviously) and I’ve offered him an olive branch three times – always rejected … in my personal world, three times and your out …

    The Minister and I have had very good relations with three of the owners of the house across the road … and we still stay in touch with one of the nuns who used to reside there (catlik church owned it) …

    … when the new owners moved in recently, I introduced myself and advised them that we had recently been burgled and that my adult children and their famile also lived in the street and if we could help in any way just let us know …

    … now, the two children – young primary school age – attend the local catlik school … I generally go for my morning walk when the kids are in and the parents are wandering home …

    … on three seperate occasions I said good morning to the wife (Phillipino as it turns out) – and yes she knew who I was – just ignored me …

    … and three other times I said good morning to the husband (he is away most of the time training on minesites – so I thought we might have something in common) he too ignored me … there may be many reasons why … but good morning?

    Anyway … I’d like to offer James that olive branch again …

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:51 pm

    Neil, it is because you’re partisan and you attract response from others that are equally partisan.

  187. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:52 pm

    And “costs awarded” is a misnomer, generally – not always – a percentage of costs are awarded (usually 75%) …

    Actually, generally, you’re quite wrong.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:54 pm

    If you are talking about the phone tapping of the wife of the Indonesian President, that happened under Rudd in case you have forgotten.

    Did you actually read the comment above, Kneel?

    I am not sure why some people show such interest in what i post.

    Neither am I. Kneel … but that’s a clever comment …

  189. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 8:56 pm

    Unfortunately, TB, the olive branch you offer is laced with paternalism. I already have a dad.

    They must have ignored you because they think you’re not Catholic. You see, Catholics are taught from a young age to only speak to other Catholics.

  190. February 16, 2014 8:56 pm

    l agree with snacky, nsw is different to kweenzzland TB. #costs

  191. February 16, 2014 9:03 pm

    ””””””””’You see, Catholics are taught from a young age to only speak to other Catholics.””””””

    yay, dogs superior forces at work

  192. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 16, 2014 9:06 pm

    Catholics are taught from a young age to only speak to other Catholics.

    yeah, that’s why there’s a RC going on right now 😉

  193. February 16, 2014 9:12 pm

    dogs `superior` forces continue to promote `xenophobia` too with their `only-speak-to` bullshit, l guess as `keepers` of eternal pearly gates and talking garden-snakes, l will be very happy not to be spending `eternity` with them

  194. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 9:13 pm

    Yes, Kittylitter, of course. Good grief.

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 16, 2014 9:27 pm

    Neil, it is because you’re partisan and you attract response from others that are equally partisan.

    exactly right tomM, we hear this partisan he said, she said and ‘blame the previous govt’ for everything guff all the time from the pollies and the partisan media [shock jocks & murdoch] the public is sick and tired of it. That is why pollies, politics and the major parties are on the nose. When neil continuously parrots this stuff ad nauseum it’s as if he is treating us all like idiots. I’m not surprised that people would want to throw a [metaphorical] brick at him, he acts like a robotic one man liberal party propaganda unit.

  196. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 9:33 pm

    Irony missed again.

  197. February 16, 2014 9:35 pm

    Maybee were’all wrong Tony is listening….even if were broke he as a bit of foldin for facebookers cause we all know they make the best policy advisers…

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/social-media-trawled-as-government-spends-43-million-on-research-contracts-20140215-32snf.html#ixzz2tQs8OHuv

  198. egg permalink
    February 16, 2014 9:42 pm

    Our worst fears have been realised, one in four Americans haven’t heard of Copernicus.

    http://phys.org/news/2014-02-americans-unaware-earth-circles-sun.html

  199. February 16, 2014 9:50 pm

    Holy Shit Egg..astonishing…:-(

  200. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:01 pm

    Oh G’day Egg, by the way. Not back so much as dropping by…….

  201. egg permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:08 pm

    Always a pleasure, hope your studies are going well.

  202. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:20 pm

    Yep. Almost concluded. Deity help the kids when I’m done!

  203. February 16, 2014 10:24 pm

    ””””””””””””””
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/social-media-trawled-as-government-spends-43-million-on-research-contracts-20140215-32snf.html#ixzz2tQs8OHuv
    ””””””””””””””

    Yeah, it doesn`t surprise me Ricky, Corporate Teabags have been paying trolls on social-media for quite a while now, (haven`t they dumpty), so it`s no great surprise Govt Teabags will be putting trolls on their pay-roll too.

    lt will probably end up being a waste of money, as they will end `monitoring` a minority bunch of Teabag trolls on Fakebook, and Mr-Rabbits idiots will end-up with a pile of `confirmation-bias`, while ignoring the general public. lt has `derp` written all over it. Fakebook seemed to be full of 12-year olds `chit-chat` and NOT political enthusiasts.

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:31 pm

    I already have a dad.

    There is an obvious question to that comment … 🙄

    They must have ignored you because they think you’re not Catholic. You see, Catholics are taught from a young age to only speak to other Catholics.

    But, but you hang out here … did you fail the catlik college? 🙄

    Yep. Almost concluded. Deity help the kids when I’m done!

    Dog help yer clients … hope you don’t join a no win no fee outfit … you’ll starve … 🙄

    Drop by anytime … at least we know where we stand … arrogance will win everytime over paternalism … 🙄

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:32 pm

    Ooops .. every(space)time

  206. Ol' Sancty permalink
    February 16, 2014 10:59 pm

    There is an obvious question to that comment …

    Not so obvious it would seem.

    But, but you hang out here … did you fail the catlik college?

    As I’ve said often, I failed the Catholic part of it. But I seem to have missed out on that emotion that is to hate what one is not, or no longer a, part of.

    Dog help yer clients … hope you don’t join a no win no fee outfit … you’ll starve …

    I don’t have a dog. I won’t be joining any of those corrupt, left wing organisations who, like the unions that direct them, exist mostly to rip off the clients they purport to represent. And yes, I have seen that first hand. With my own eyes, if you will.

    arrogance will win everytime over paternalism …

    I’m a long way from arrogant. Although I must say there was a time in the long distant past when around these places one could lay themselves somewhat more exposed than nowadays. It’s sad but I guess inevitable with the nature of online discourse.

  207. February 16, 2014 11:02 pm

    Just got an email from a Mrs-TB, from Queensland, which included this,

  208. public toilet permalink
    February 17, 2014 12:56 am

    Well, I remember how ‘sanctimonious prick’ came about…

    Reb posted an offensive picture of jesus (I don’t specifically recall what made it offensive…I do remember thinking it was piss funny…no surprisement there) at the top of a very early GT (possibly blogocrats, but I don’t think so). James of North Melbourne leapt to the defense of the mythological martyr & demanded Reb remove the picture. The hurt feelings lead to a bit of banter during which TB called JoNM a ‘sanctimonious prick’, which JoNM then wore like a martyr’s badge of courage. Amended to ol’ sancty.

    I like snacty, he is a good sport & no fool. I also believe he is a very decent man & shouldn’t be mistaken for a purely conservative caricature. If people read & attempt to digest what he says, they will find that he makes plenty of sense & doesn’t always toe the partisan line. It is quite possible to recognise this & still disagree with many of his opinions; without having to treat him as an enemy.

    He & TB have years of history, that’s between them.

  209. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:54 am
  210. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 7:07 am

    The lies perpetrated on the voters at the lst election are coming to light, with little help or interest from the msm

    Malcolm Turnbull’s Parliamentary Secretary Minister Paul Fletcher has admitted that the Coalition’s estimate of the cost of Labor’s NBN was ‘perhaps a little high’.

    Oh … THAT $34 billion! In the lead up to the last Federal Election, Malcolm Turnbull and the Coalition incessantly said that the real cost of Labor’s NBN would be in the order of $90 billion, compared to Labor’s own figure of $39 billion.

    Turnbull’s Assistant Minister has now said that NBN Co’s internal review of Labor’s NBN costed it at $56 billion, still high but much closer to Labor’s figure than the inflated estimate the Coalition took to the election.

    http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/govenrment-tech-policy/63161-maybe-we-did-overestimate-labor%E2%80%99s-nbn-cost-admits-government

  211. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 7:48 am

    An excellent article on the failure of our press gallery

    In a opposition that bet everything on Fuehrerprinzip, Nash was relatively high-profile. Her failures of explanation are the fault of an insufficiently attentive press gallery. Labor Senate leader Penny Wong followed the document trail and did the job on Nash; only Corderoy, far away in Sydney, seemed to have noticed. The Opposition did its job of scrutinising the goings-on in Nash’s office; the press gallery did not.
    …………….
    Press gallery journalism is catch-up journalism. It reports what was decided and does not question what was decided, let alone hold out for more and better.
    ……………..
    Mark Kenny ‘investigated’ Gillard’s AWU connections from a file that Abbott’s office dropped in his lap, day after day for months; had he been an investigative journalist he would have realised the documents did not support a story. A good investigative journalist knows when they’re being had; Kenny doesn’t and neither does his boss. Kevin Rudd strung Peter Hartcher along for a decade.
    ……………….
    When Tony Abbott promises 1 million jobs in five years, but Ian Macfarlane admits there will only be 630,000 if we’re lucky, journalists playing the access game just lets the story go begging. There are other examples. Many, many examples.
    ………………..
    The investigative bombshells that will wound this government will come from investigative journalists like Corderoy rather than the fixtures in the press gallery.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/catch-up-journalism.html

    Yet it was the press gallery journalists that wounded the Gillard Government, fact-less, often baseless stories circulating and percolating day in day out, while any investigative journalism simply re-enforced the fact that what the Gillard Government was doing was actually working and benefiting the population. No wonder the media didn’t want a bar of it.

  212. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:02 am

    Is this an example of a modern day Christian?

    BARRIE CASSIDY: Three days ago an Indian student took his own life at a detention centre in Melbourne. He was in that centre because he overstayed his visa. Could that have been avoided?

    SCOTT MORRISON: Could he have avoided overstaying his visa?

    http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2013/s3945746.htm

  213. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:28 am

    “had he been an investigative journalist he would have realised the documents did not support a story.”

    Funnily enough the police beg to differ and are still investgigating. Of course if you get your information from the ABC you would never know that because the ABC is an ethically bankrupt political organisation, anxious to bring down a government, but not Gillard’s.

    Jiggy Jherk, you shameless shill, you forgot to mention Morrison’s answer once he clarified the question:

    Well Barrie I want to be careful on this matter. It’s the subject of a police investigation at the moment which could obviously then go to a coronial inquiry and this individual was in detention only for a relatively brief period of time. He went in there in January and there are a range of other very personal and complicating factors around this case, which for privacy reasons I think it would be very unfair for me to canvass on your program. This is a very complicated and tragic case and it’s one that, you know, you would always hope to be avoided. But to I think bring this down to a simple baseline of people being in detention would be to completely misunderstand and over-simplify a very tragic and complicated situation.

    When you do that you only enhance your reputation as a one-eyed snake.

  214. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:39 am

    Funnily enough the police beg to differ and are still investgigating

    investgigating = investigating (for Ol’ Sancty)

    And why are they investigating? Would it have anything to do with Brandis, in the same way the investigated Thomson after twice looking and seeing nothing worth investigating. When will their be an investigation into the political interference of our police forces?

    Of course if you get your information from the ABC

    Rarely

    once he clarified the question:

    The fact that Morrisons first reaction is to blame the victim is enough for me. The rest is, of course, Morrisons usual non answer.

  215. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:41 am

    This is the same guy who seeks to blame victims first, and just expects us to TRUST him? As if.

    When asked if he could easily dismiss the report from the Indonesian navy he replied: “Well, yes, because I know the facts”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/16/orrison-dismisses-claims–navy-indonesian-deliberately

    Well, why not let us know the facts, and we’ll see if they are the same as yours?

  216. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:42 am

    once he clarified the question:

    and to be clear, he was clarifying a follow up question there.

  217. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:50 am

    “I wonder if the brave soldiers at The Australian will jump into Oi Oi Oi defense mode and berate these corrupt, UnOztraylian muppets who foster this kind of skullduggery against the forces of Goodness and Abbottry

    Not sure what you are trying to say. You have trouble speaking English like the other guy. But did you read the link you gave?? It said this

    The February 2013 document shows that the Indonesian government had retained the law firm for help in trade talks, the Times reported.

    IT is talking about something that happened when Gillard was in power. What was your point??

  218. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:29 am

    “Well, why not let us know the facts, and we’ll see if they are the same as yours?”

    As if any fact has ever changed your mind. Or had any bearing on your point of view. When is the last time you wrote a comment supporting anything the government did?

  219. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:33 am

    What was your point??

    That when the ABC wrote a story detailing this kind of information, The Australian, in lock step with the Government, attacked them for being “unpatriotic”. Why is this different?

    When is the last time you wrote a comment supporting anything the government did?

    Why should I? It is not my job to support the Government, apparently, that is the job of our media.

  220. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:42 am

    ‘Why should I?’

    Bias is fine, its the framework in which Trash operates, but the editor is talking along the lines of having a more even handed approach to posts. This will generate intelligent debate as opposed to a leftoid chat room slinging match.

  221. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:43 am

    Bias is fine

    Bias is crap, and is one of the main reasons why we have such a retrograde individual as PM, and why our media is failing the population to such a large degree.

  222. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:47 am

    one of the main reasons why we have such a retrograde individual as PM

    JJ prefers to ignore the fact that we’ve now had 4 in a row.

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:48 am

    ..or even 5, if we count Rudd twice.

  224. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:52 am

    “It is not my job to support the Government, apparently”

    It is your job to be a shameless troll, impervious to facts, logic and reason, apparently. You get plenty of support from the ABC which has an identical MO.

  225. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:53 am

    It is your job to be a shameless troll, impervious to facts

    Are you able to highlight where I have been “impervious to facts”

  226. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:55 am

    JJ prefers to ignore the fact that we’ve now had 4 in a row.

    Of course, because, to introduce policies such as NBN, Gonski, NDIS and Carbon Pricing, you must be “retrograde”?

  227. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:58 am

    ‘…and why our media is failing the population to such a large degree.’

    Its a bit unbalanced at the moment with aunty, SBS and Fairfax flying watermelon colours.

  228. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:08 am

    Jiggy Jherk, my first comment to you this morning was about your uncritical repetition of the lie that there was no substance to the Gillard AWU scandal. Like the ABC, you have ignored the fact that the police are still investigating the matter. Apparently the fact that a sitting PM is the subject of a police investigation is not newsworthy according the the arse-licking ABC and of no substance according to you.

  229. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:13 am

    “Well, why not let us know the facts, and we’ll see if they are the same as yours?”

    The Indonesian Navy cannot provide anything other than hearsay.

    Unless you can prove they were actually on board the boat at the time and witnessed the events.

    You really do need to try much much harder as you are very easily demolished

  230. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:14 am

    *NBN – the world’s most expensive broadband project, by a factor of (?) 3 or 4.

    *Carbon pricing- a shocking example of political dishonesty

    *NDIS is supported by both parties, and costs will correctly be scrutinised

    *I haven’t formed a specific view about Gonski

    Despite all the wishing it was otherwise, Gillard’s legacy will be one of elevated political expediency.

  231. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:15 am

    And as far as your crap about “moving goalposts” was concerned again you should look at my original question posed to you.

    But you’ll choose not to because you are just full of it………….

    But you already knew that anyway

  232. Meta permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:16 am

    (Imho, JG was, and is, engaged in, and with, the single most important social-economic reform of the 21st Century: ensuring that everybody gets a decent education; amongst other somewhat important goals in the Millennium Development project. Therefore, it’s probably not by accident that AusAid was ‘tweaked’ out of existence, and MD funding cut and diverted, contrary even to slim details in The Plan, with nary a word from the MSM about yet another promise broken by TA.)

  233. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:18 am

    JJ prefers to ignore the fact that we’ve now had 4 in a row.

    LOL! ToM … 😆

    Comedy Gold is always based on reality!

  234. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:22 am

    you have ignored the fact that the police are still investigating the matter.

    I actually commented on this, that is a fact.

    And as far as your crap about “moving goalposts” was concerned again you should look at my original question posed to you.

    Your “original question” was simply moving goalposts from my “original post”

    Can anyone remember when unemployment was this high?

    Was it when the global economy trashed and unemployment skyrocketed to double digits in many other countries similar to Australia?

    To which you replied

    Which countries are those ?

    You do have a list of the ones which had federal government surpluses in November 2007.

    I look forward to seeing that list.

    I mentioned unemployment, you went off about surpluses. If that’s not moving goalposts, what is?

    Have you been able to determine yet when unemployment was this high. It was after all the “original question”, as yet unanswered by you as you go of in all other directions.

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:24 am

    And people think Septic Tanks are smart?

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/in-4-americans-unaware-that-earth-circles-sun-poll/story-fnjwlcze-1226828958882

    Note: Having worked in the States my impression was that most Americans I met were lovely people … but they know virtually nothing of life outside the USA nor do most care … very easy to have a lot of “fun” with …

    Bit like some of the serious commenters here …

  236. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:24 am

    with nary a word from the MSM about yet another promise broken by TA.

    Nobody is supposed to ask these things Meta. This is a Government of transparency, and, when you are being transparent, questions are not required.

  237. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:26 am

    Comedy Gold is always based on reality!

    So, do you feel that the NDIS, Gonski and NBN were “retrograde” then TB?

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:28 am

    Meta – ensuring that everybody gets a decent education;

    Indeed! The single most important humanity objective that will truly change the world … and much more effective that bombing the beejesus out of each other!

  239. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:29 am

    “I actually commented on this, that is a fact.”

    It is indeed a fact that you made a comment about the police investigation, after the event. It is also a fact that your comment was as pure an example of trolling as I have ever seen.

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:30 am

    So, do you feel that the NDIS, Gonski and NBN were “retrograde” then TB?

    Did I say that?

    I thought ToM’s comment’s were quick witted and very close to the mark … getting more and more difficult to have a bit of fun around here …

  241. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:37 am

    and very close to the mark …

    Which sounds remarkably like you agree with the position that Gillard was retrograde, despite those achievements, which is why I asked you, rather than stating it as a fact.

  242. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:40 am

    It is indeed a fact that you made a comment about the police investigation, after the event.

    Why would I care about a police investigation, that has been ignored for twenty years, and is only going ahead because of political interference. It is not as if it is going ahead because of any facts, simply because Brandis wants it “looked at”. If anyone is trolling, it is Brandis. He did it with Thomson, Slipper, and now Gillard.

  243. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:43 am

    “………….that Gillard was retrograde, despite those achievements,”

    ROFLMAO

    Unfunded promises are to be chalked up as “achievements”.

    You are full of it

  244. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:48 am

    “I mentioned unemployment, you went off about surpluses”

    No I wanted your list of countries similar to ours with a similar fiscal position. Otherwise they are not similar.

    I’m still waiting for that list.

  245. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:50 am

    Unfunded promises

    You mean the $90 Billion NBN?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/02/14/rostrum-dont-panic-edition/#comment-45491

  246. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:51 am

    Gillard was retrograde

    Indeed she was JJ, because she has ushered in a new, elevated era of political dishonesty. That’s retrograde and it’s her legacy.

  247. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:53 am

    No I wanted your list of countries similar to ours with a similar fiscal position. Otherwise they are not similar.

    See, who said anything about “fiscal position” That is your interpretation of “similar”. Mine was more general. Did you want the list bullet pointed, formatted in italics, or perhaps all in blue?

    You have my list, like it or not, and I’m still waiting for an answer…………..still waiting

  248. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:56 am

    she has ushered in a new, elevated era of political dishonesty

    Politician have been “dishonest” from day dot. That’s not really retrograde, that is just par for the course. Besides, in hte dishonesty stakes, Tony Abbott has surpassed even wildest expectations

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbotts-new-world-record-25-broken-promises-in-150-days,6145

  249. February 17, 2014 11:02 am

    Lets face it since Keating,the political gene pool is more like a festering cauldron of hatred. All we have now is the pond scum rising to the top Until it drained and we get back to basics its just going to be more of the same low intellect, narrow vision, news cycle wankery seeking to divide and concour

    “A true visionary is always castigated by those who reject progressive advancement and seek to live by the mistakes of the past, shackled by the ideology of agenda”

  250. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:13 am

    “Unfunded promises are to be chalked up as “achievements”.

    Exactly. Any politician can get up and make some great announcement. That is all an ALP politician has to do to be classified as great by JJ.

    Let us not forget that Rudd promised us an NBN in 2007 costing us $4.7B and be finished in 5 years. Just lies to win an election. I have no doubt the Coalitions broadband plan was better for Australia.

  251. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:13 am

    The easiest example of new, elevated political dishonesty is the written agreement with Andrew Wilkie.

    • Was Gillard incompetent/dishonest in her ability to deliver the agreement, or
    • Was she dishonest with her dealings with Wilkie and made the commitment knowing that she would be unable to deliver it?
    Whatever it was, she became PM by making an agreement, giving her word, signing the commitment…then breaking it.

    That was an elevated level of dishonesty

  252. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:19 am

    “Why would I care about a police investigation, that has been ignored for twenty years, and is only going ahead because of political interference. It is not as if it is going ahead because of any facts, simply because Brandis wants it “looked at”.

    Now you are well and truly off with the pixies. You are going nuts because the Unionland code of silence might be cracked open for once. You know that AWU Joint National Secretary Ian Cambridge, one of the few honest union leaders in that saga, called for a Royal Commission at the time, you know that the Victorian AWU leadership of the time wanted the Royal Commission idea killed because they would otherwise “all be history” and you know that Cambridge stands by his call for a Royal Commission now. But you and the Unionland grubocracy want this dead and buried. You are a malevolent troll. You won’t stop the police investigation and you won’t stop the Royal Commission but that won’t stop you trolling until your very last breath.

  253. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:19 am

    Is backstabbing a politician worse than lying to constituents about spending the first week of your tenure with them, and then blatantly lying about in Question Time after the fact?

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbotts-false-and-misleading-indigenous-commitment,6170

    Both are wrong in my book.

  254. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:20 am

    “That was an elevated level of dishonesty”

    Sadly, in Unionland that is business as usual.

  255. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:22 am

    But you and the Unionland grubocracy want this dead and buried.

    Actually, like Slipper and Thomson, I would welcome the finalising of it, although, like Thomson and Slipper, even a court judgement will not be enough. And. like Slipper and Thomson, a court judgement will not stop the accusations. Even when a judge declares it to have been politically motivated.

  256. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:29 am

    So you still think Thomson did nothing wrong, Jiggy Jherk?

  257. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:34 am

    So you still think Thomson did nothing wrong, Jiggy Jherk?

    I’ll wait for the judge to decide. The judge decided in favour of Slipper, which didn’t help him at all

  258. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:43 am

    Oh, so an innocent verdict in that trial would mean that he didn’t do anything wrong? Maybe you should read the FWA report and make up your own mind. Or maybe you will just troll on regardless.

  259. Meta permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:51 am

    (His Honour adverted to circa 18 February as a likely verdict date in the Thomson matter, for those who can’t resist sub judice speculation for another day or two.)

  260. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:55 am

    Maybe you should read the FWA report and make up your own mind.

    This report?

    The review by business advisory group KPMG was launched after concerns were raised FWA had taken too long to investigate financial mismanagement by the Health Services Union’s (HSU) national office and in its Victoria No.1 branch.

    The review report, released on Tuesday, found that FWA was inexperienced in such probes and had no “relevant investigation standards and procedures”.

    There was also a lack of adequate documentation, insufficient resources and the investigators “did not consider all potential sources of information”.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/review-finds-fair-work-hsu-probe-flawed/story-fn3dxiwe-1226455159659

  261. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:57 am

    for those who can’t resist sub judice speculation for another day or two.

    Most here have decided years ago I would think Meta. A little thing like a judges decision won’t be convincing them one way or another (unless it is a Guilty one of course, but then, they already knew that)

  262. February 17, 2014 12:25 pm

    “Unfunded promises are to be chalked up as “achievements”.

    Hmm.. NBN is being built, , NDIS is not dead, The minister for closets and parliamentary ejection standards is trying to backpedal on Gonski despite his stately fiberals bitch slapping is “uneducating” ass

    Ironically this government cry’s lie about the last government when their election and every day all we get is lies, broken promises carved in the blood of diggers wrapped in nationalism and blame. They will cruise up to the next election selling everything crying poor blaming labor. The environmental damage of this litany of incompetents will be a historic benchmark of stupidity in the extreme.

    Visionary policy envy Policy is so embarrassingly uncouth, no matter how much you whine about it.

  263. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2014 12:30 pm

    “He didn’t do it”
    “He promised to make a full explanation”
    “It’s all a media beatup”
    “Wait for FWA to issue its findings”
    “The police haven’t charged him”

    There is no end to the number of excuses barrackers make for Thompson.

    But the essential point remains, whether a court finds him guilty or not – he failed the character test. He was unfit for parliament… and even the ALP acknowledged this by not preselecting him again.

    Guilt or innocence of a criminal charge is a matter for the courts, but the public is entitled to make its mind up regardless of whether an individual is subject to prosecution.

    ALP barrackers hate being encouraged to discuss the character or suitability of their representatives.

  264. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 12:44 pm

    whether a court finds him guilty or not – he failed the character test.

    Or it could be couched as the amount of mud thrown proved overwhelming

    ALP barrackers hate being encouraged to discuss the character or suitability of their representatives.

    I have no problem with that, as long as it is a two way street. How many Labor pollies claim allowances for “charity” work? The amount of money that Thomson is charged with is dwarfed by the amount some politicians have claimed for “charity” bike rides. One is proven, the other still in contention.

  265. February 17, 2014 1:16 pm

    Thomson is a grub but he aint Ivan Milat and lets not pretend that this is anything but a political witch hunt initiated by union hating Brandass steeped heavily in ideology. If the same standards were applied to most members of the Fiberals and their investors the jails and courts would be fuller than a public school. Splatter you don’t believe for a second all unions are like that, such rash generalisatios are ridiculous.

    My pet hate is this partisan Labor Liberal bad idea mainly coming from the teabaggers in the ranks of the fiberals. Complete inability to accept that something is good for the country without bipartisan support. Wilkie is good example..Gambling is an scourge, i’m no wowser have a punt but when kids start quoting odds, do you think it may be a social problem that needs to be looked at. AHA lobbyist have managed to wrap some type of nanny state commo conspiracy theory around what is a huge issue.

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2014 1:24 pm

    “Gambling is an scourge, i’m no wowser have a punt but when kids start quoting odds, do you think it may be a social problem that needs to be looked at

    I agree, I can’t stand money making methods that prey on human weakness

  267. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 2:13 pm

    Nice to see our Shane back with Liz.

  268. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2014 2:29 pm

    Thomson is a grub but he aint Ivan Milat and lets not pretend that this is anything but a political witch hunt initiated by union hating Brandass steeped heavily in ideology…

    It’s not just brandis, it is the entire LNP and their corporate masters. If they discredit all unions, they get a free run at transforming australia into their vision of paradise, the winners of the class war [look at the US]. We will all be under the jackbooted influence of a fascist corporocracy, the IPA and the HR nicholls society.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/02/12/harsh-justice-coming-unions

    …As ACTU Assistant Secretary Tim Lyons pointed out on Tuesday night, the last Liberal prime minister who didn’t find time to hold an anti-union inquiry was Billy McMahon…

    … but there weren’t many members of the Business Council of Australia worried about their futures after the Toyota announcement this week. Neither are there 1.8 million members of employer associations clamouring for better wages and conditions, who can’t hire silks to do it for them…

  269. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2014 2:38 pm

    Abbott’s Tribe Will Fight Until The Bitter End:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/02/11/abbotts-tribe-will-fight-until-bitter-end

    …The “goodies” by contrast are defined by default as ordinary right-thinking Australians, now a beleaguered tribe, threatened with extinction in their own country. The natural mental image of such a goodie is that of a middle aged white male, operating a small business, or perhaps an engineer or manager, with a practical knowledge of the world that enables him to see through such nonsense as multiculturalism and the theory of global warming…

  270. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 2:39 pm

    the last Liberal prime minister who didn’t find time to hold an anti-union inquiry was Billy McMahon

    On the upside armchair opinionator , it does keep the Unions on their toes. And, even with the small percentage of issues uncovered to date, it has proven to remain a problem (union reps abusing their position).

    Anywhere there is power, there is the potential for abuse. I wonder if the Royal Commission will expose any, or just prolong the negative perceptions of those already there. It will also be interesting to see how broadly the terms of reference are applied.

    I am of the opinion that Unions SHOULD hold a higher moral ground, as they are there to protect the most vulnerable. Business, who should also be held to account, is there for themselves, hence I don’t expect as much from the.

    Expecting and requiring are different things here. They should all be under the same requirements. I just don’t expect business to apply themselves to those requirements as assiduously.

  271. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2014 3:44 pm

    I just don’t expect business to apply themselves to those requirements as assiduously.

    Hi JJ, you share a similar view to tomM.
    It must be my idealism, i do hold business to the same expectations, they expect to be held in high regard and to be seen as ‘goodies’ in the community. I expect both unions and business to be held to account equally. I don’t think any employee [union or business] should have access to the money of the organisation. Everything they do should be planned and pre paid by the organisation [flights, attendances, meetings and meet & greet events]. No-one needs access to a government, business or union funded credit card where they put whatever they like on it and are then meant to pay back their personal expenditure, that’s open to abuse [as we see in pollies interpretation of their ‘entitlements’]. Nothing these people do is unplanned and all should be held to account by transparent accounting methods performed on behalf of the public, shareholders and members, not the executive. We should all be seen as public watchdogs against corruption and be able to see and question whenever a CEO or minister puts an ice cream on a corporate credit card as well as a union secretary.

    How hard is it to pay for personal items from your own pocket or personal credit card? Is it too much of a burden to carry two pieces of plastic in your wallet?

  272. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 3:47 pm

    “Splatter you don’t believe for a second all unions are like that, such rash generalisations are ridiculous.”

    I don’t know any more. There are less and less rank and file running unions these days. Union office seems like part of a conveyor belt to a political career. It is all very well to have a few beers and sing anthems in praise of the lads of the BLF. At least that old Maoist Gallagher was from the rank and file and the BLF did a lot of good for the members and the community. But it was the ALP who did them in, they were probably too honest for Unionland. It was the CMFEU who took over most of their members, and I don’t think they are on the right track at all. The building industry is a dirty game all round.

    No doubt a lot of union leaders are fairly straight up. The system will be improved once there is more transparency – like officials being required to declare all benefits they and their families receive, including related sinecures like board positions on super funds.

    The only union I joined was an ALP family fiefdom. They did a bit for us and I’m pretty sure they looked out for themselves too.

    Maybe when unions were an ideological battle-ground between various communist sects, the ALP and the Groupers, there was less emphasis on the personal enrichment and political advancement of the leaders.

  273. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 4:03 pm

    Jack Mundey was our hero, but not Gallagher so much, he ‘was gaoled for corrupt dealings after receiving bribes from building companies which he used to build a beach house.’

  274. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 4:18 pm

    True enough egg, but I always had a soft spot for Maoists – unlike the Stalinists they had a sense of humour and were good drinkers.

  275. February 17, 2014 4:21 pm

    The CFMEU isn’t just a construction Union, some of the other branches simply don’t entail the corruption & criminality which non-Union critics here are smearing the entire organisation with by association.

  276. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 4:34 pm

    Methinks that Jack Mundey may have been a Trot.

  277. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 4:45 pm

    I think he was CPA to the bitter end.

  278. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 4:55 pm

    Thanks splatter.

  279. February 17, 2014 4:59 pm

    Murica…easily taken for a stroll up the intellectual garden path…

    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/02/pat-robertson-ken-ham-dinosaurs

  280. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 5:11 pm

    Being a Trot is good training for a young person. You need to be mentally agile to get on top of all their convoluted theories. At least they didn’t lionise Stalin like the really stupid leftists did. The smart trots usually end up as fairly interesting people – Chris Hitchens, Irving Kristol, James Burnham and even our own Paul Howes. (Adam Bandt is clearly an exception here.)

  281. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 5:16 pm

    “…easily taken for a stroll up the intellectual garden path…”

    I know, I know. They fell for that mealy-mouthed huckster, Obama, twice! Now the whole country is turning into a more corrupt version of Chicago. Brother Love’s Travelling Salvation Show alright.

  282. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 5:20 pm

    Thomson verdict to be given at 11am tomorrow morning

  283. February 17, 2014 5:23 pm

    They fell for Bush twice too. (half expecting a link to Bolt’s inane rearguard Bush defending from yesterday now) 🙄

    I wonder which side of US politics the majority of loony bible literalists & reality contorters vote for?…hmmm.

    US Conservatives…very quick to critically attack the science of AGW…generally pathologically unable to attack the anti-science of religious stupidity.

  284. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 5:24 pm

    “They fell for that mealy-mouthed huckster, Obama, twice!”

    Apparently his wife is not very popular amongst White House staff either. In fact the Secret Service is known to absolutely detest the woman. She has a habit of being abusive, rude and condescending constantly belittling staff in front of colleagues

    Sort of flies in the face of the image presented in public

  285. February 17, 2014 5:39 pm

    As if any POTUS could be credibly judged by ” the image presented in public”.

    They are hood ornaments on political machinery…FFS, they only get elected via multi-million dollar obscurantist PR exercises. The cult of personality is farcical…& the worst reason for endorsing the leader of a superpower. But, whatever. The differences between the two sides over there are primarily rhetorical & cosmetic.

  286. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 5:40 pm

    “US Conservatives…very quick to critically attack the science of AGW…”

    That is bad thing?

    “generally pathologically unable to attack the anti-science of religious stupidity.”

    You do know that once you understand that the speed of light is actually decaying and make the appropriate adjustment the carbon dating models only go back 6,00 years, right? 🙂

  287. February 17, 2014 5:46 pm

    No, I didn’t say that was a bad thing, I was merely pointing out their wilful dissonant cognition & the supreme ideological filter they apply to their cynicism.

    As for the 2nd part of your comment. I know you’re incredibly unlikely to be a New Earth Creationist. As far as I know, most ‘traditional’ churches (including the Catholic church) have no truck with evolution or solidly substantiated scientific theory (I suspect they are aware how undermined & stupid it would make them look if they did).
    In summary, you are taking the piss. 😉

  288. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 5:50 pm

    Maybe the secret service is even more incompetent with an umbrella than her husband. What is it with Presidents and umbrellas’s anyway? Maybe there are few things they still need to learn from the Brits?

  289. February 17, 2014 6:02 pm

    Honestly, WGAF about the wife of a POTUS?…apart from those who actively seek every facet of his life to foster rancour over.

    It’s the same as retarded attacks upon Mrs Howard or Tim Matheson. It has fuck all to do with the political situation; other than being tacky manipulative opportunism aimed at the partisan LCD base.

  290. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:11 pm

    “It’s the same as retarded attacks upon Mrs Howard or Tim Matheson”

    Matheson has some “business” history

  291. February 17, 2014 6:12 pm

    So does a multitude of the population.

  292. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:14 pm

    C’mon. The brolly shots were funny. The photo she posted of her dogs in jewelry at the White House dinner table was definitely an own goal and well worth a laugh.

  293. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:19 pm

    Hi JJ, you share a similar view to tomM.

    I have a hankering for soap all of a sudden.

    She has a habit of being abusive, rude and condescending constantly belittling staff in front of colleagues

    What is it with some people just wanting to spread unfounded smear and innuendo. Is it simply a lack of any real argument, or a more base flaw within their own character?

  294. February 17, 2014 6:20 pm

    I don’t dispute that at all.

    I love piss taking, it makes my world go around.

    I was referring to the faux serious political attacks which try & entrench the partners as a part of the problem with some kind of insidious influence.

  295. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:28 pm

    “I was referring to the faux serious political attacks which try & entrench the partners as a part of the problem with some kind of insidious influence.”

    That is BS when taken too far. But then the partners let themselves be used as part of the political process at election time, they enjoy the puff pieces and the perks of office, so a little bit of ridicule seems only fair.

  296. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:29 pm

    “……a lack of any real argument, or a more base flaw within their own character…….”

    Are you reading directly from your latest Mental Health Check ?

  297. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:33 pm

    “So does a multitude of the population.”

    I wouldn’t go so far as to say a “multitude”. A minority do tend to leave bad debts in their wake

  298. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:33 pm

    Are you reading directly from your latest Mental Health Check ?

    Are you able to answer a simple question yet?

    so a little bit of ridicule seems only fair.

    I’m not sure you understand the difference between ridicule and abuse.

  299. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:34 pm

    “WGAF about the wife of a POTUS?…”

    Are you not a bit of a “New Idea”/”Womans Weekly” kinda guy ?

  300. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:36 pm

    Have you got that list of similar countries yet you boofhead ?

  301. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:38 pm

    Have you got that list of similar countries yet you boofhead ?

    A long time ago. Well after I asked you the initial question you refrain from addressing

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/02/14/rostrum-dont-panic-edition/#comment-45255

    Not dot pointed though I am afraid.

  302. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:38 pm

    “I’m not sure you understand the difference between ridicule and abuse.”

    Ridicule is when I take the piss. Abuse is when you do!

  303. February 17, 2014 6:42 pm

    “That is BS when taken too far. ”

    Precisely.

    “Are you not a bit of a “New Idea”/”Womans Weekly” kinda guy ?”

    I’m not a monkey dancing on the end of my chain either. 😉

    I view such publications with the same contempt & rationale as I observe interest in Schapelle or Mitchell Johnson or Torah Bright or Shane Warne or Reality TV.

    I’m a jaded (not my)motherfucker.

  304. February 17, 2014 6:44 pm

    “Ridicule is when I take the piss. Abuse is when you do!”

    chortle…

    I, for one, ‘get’ you, splatter…and I say that as someone coming from a relative ideological polar opposite, but recognising the comfortable universalities we share.

  305. February 17, 2014 6:46 pm

    I could say the same for several of the trawling rightwing demons here, who artfully bait their hooks & rarely go back to shore with an empty larder.

  306. February 17, 2014 6:47 pm

    Snacty stuck his head over the battlements, poured buckets of slop upon his assailants & then went to hide in his dungeon?

  307. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:51 pm

    We can’t be too serious, TBoss. I mean it is possible that I might be wrong about something once in while!

  308. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:55 pm

    ‘US Conservatives…very quick to critically attack the science of AGW…generally pathologically unable to attack the anti-science of religious stupidity.’

    That’s well and good, but what of the voters who believe the sun goes around the earth. Apparently a quarter of the US citizenship fall into this category.

    Julia to the rescue.

  309. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 6:57 pm

    Hey, TBoss do you remember this cartoon Jeremy used to have on the front page of Anonymous Lefty? It captures the blogging condition quite well.

  310. February 17, 2014 7:16 pm

    Haha, Yes!

    It approximates things well.

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2014 7:17 pm

    “Ridicule is when I take the piss. Abuse is when you do!”

    Good point! Though apparently ridicule is grounds for banning on some blogs!

  312. February 17, 2014 7:17 pm

    ” Apparently a quarter of the US citizenship fall into this category.”

    Exactly.

    Insular, exceptionalist ignorance.

  313. February 17, 2014 7:20 pm

    “… apparently ridicule is grounds for banning on some blogs!”

    I think it’s using the ridicule to turn the mirror back on them & force unwelcome self rationalisation that gets you banned on ‘some blogs’. Certainly, the standards applied are blatantly partisan, rather than principled.

  314. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 7:24 pm

    That’s well and good, but what of the voters who believe the sun goes around the earth. Apparently a quarter of the US citizenship fall into this category.

    My understanding of this “story” was that only 74% of the 2,200 people in the poll knew that Earth orbited the sun … it didn’t mention WHAT the other 26% thought …

    This is probably even more bizarre …

    Here’s the thing, though: Americans actually fared better than Europeans who took similar quizzes — at least when it came to the sun and Earth question. Only 66 percent of European Union residents answered that one correctly.

    http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/02/16/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/?iid=nf-main-mostpop1

    Maybe it is indicative of an obvious drop in general knowledge in the population unless they ahve a “smart” (lol) phone in their hand – AND – know what question to ask~!

  315. February 17, 2014 7:26 pm

    “I wouldn’t go so far as to say a “multitude”. A minority do tend to leave bad debts in their wake”

    Numerically speaking, based upon my own experiences with humanscum, I’d say that, although a small (not negliginle, by any means) proportion of the population…it still counts as a ‘multitude’. ie. over tens of thousands, probably (conservatively) hundreds of thousands.

    Some of the worst exponents end up in charge of us all…and we only ever find out about the (relatively) big fish on account of their high profiles & the requisite accompanying public scrutiny.

  316. February 17, 2014 7:28 pm

    “Maybe it is indicative of an obvious drop in general knowledge in the population unless they ahve a “smart” (lol) phone in their hand – AND – know what question to ask~!”

    Quite possibly, TB.

    I am increasingly alarmed at the general lack of canny infecting the iphone generation. I hate to do it, but I’m calling them generation (entitled)fucktard.

  317. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 7:29 pm

    ‘it didn’t mention WHAT the other 26% thought …’

    They would be Democrats.

  318. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 7:30 pm

    “Ridicule is when I take the piss. Abuse is when you do!”

    That was how I had assumed it was with you. Thanks for clarifying it.

    who artfully bait their hooks

    That’s an interesting way to describe “rant inanely”.

  319. Meta permalink
    February 17, 2014 7:38 pm

    (How would one legitimately/scientifically create a viable version of a Flat Earth around which the Sun orbits? I’m guessing some kind of geometricky translation(s). It might be fun, and probably a bit trippy, looking at things from (a) different perspective(s).)

  320. February 17, 2014 7:42 pm

    Thinking thus will explode me brainbox, IvIeta.

  321. February 17, 2014 7:42 pm

    “That’s an interesting way to describe “rant inanely”.”

    Quite. 😉

  322. February 17, 2014 7:46 pm

    At my daughter’s behest, I’ve recently started reading Phillip Pullman’s ‘His Dark Materials’ trilogy (she read it a couple of years ago…along with the entire A Song of Ice & Fire catalogue, mind you…not your typical [nearly]14yo).

    FMD if it’s not very well written & stimulating; The Golden Compass fails miserably to convey its magnificence.
    Anyhow, it posits various alternative universes, in a mesmerising fashion.

  323. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 7:49 pm

    The Flat Earth Society might be worth a look, they have been in the news lately.

  324. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 7:53 pm

    The Flat Earth Society might be worth a look

    In your case, wouldn’t that entitle just looking up from your screen?

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:13 pm

    They would be Democrats.

    Wrong, egg … that would be YOU!

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:16 pm

    The Flat Earth Society might be worth a look, they have been in the news lately.

    Well the catliks set us back a century beheading and burning to promote the concept so it must be all those republicans at it again!

  327. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:16 pm

    It is quite possible to recognise this & still disagree with many of his opinions; without having to treat him as an enemy.

    That’s how I feel too, but it is james that treats others as the enemy [as shown by the above comments] after all this time he still can’t let bygones be bygones. Now flinging TB’s attempts at peacemaking in his face with an added insult to boot.
    To me, he’s like the husband that a woman makes the mistake of trusting with all her past secrets, only to have him throw it in her face as a put down in every argument they have. The enemy within.

    Maybe you weren’t viewed or treated as ‘the enemy’ toiletboss.

    It is true that nobody does outrage like the left and nobody does nasty like the right!

  328. February 17, 2014 8:19 pm

    ”””’They are hood ornaments on political machinery”””
    ”””’FFS, they only get elected via multi-million dollar obscurantist PR exercises. The cult of personality is farcical…& the worst reason for endorsing the leader of a superpower.”””

    Agree. Which makes teh-usa screeching about Korea even more comedy gold on the hypocrisy band-wagon, when referring to Korean leader `cult`.

    .

    ”””””’But, whatever. The differences between the two sides over there are primarily rhetorical & cosmetic.”””””’

    Coming soon to a (so-called) democracy near you.

  329. February 17, 2014 8:30 pm

    ”””it didn’t mention WHAT the other 26% thought”””

    ”””They would be Democrats.””’Teabags of the fundy, dog-bothering, anti-science, flat-earth type.

    #TeabagsInOrbit

  330. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:33 pm

    While you’re there Kitty, the child bride story got a good run, those Medieval monsters, then Fairfax ran a story with an expert who said the problem was more widespread amongst the indigenous population.

    It went quiet after that and I’m not surprised.

    Talked to a friend who knows of a young female graduate teacher, being posted way out west, who discovered to her horror that a quarter of the toddlers in her preschool had been sexually abused.

    Needless to say her efforts to bring an end to this appalling situation only attracted intimidation and the threat of violence. The teacher is now a nervous wreck and will surely quit in despair.

    Keep in mind I got it third hand.

  331. February 17, 2014 8:39 pm

    “Maybe you weren’t viewed or treated as ‘the enemy’ toiletboss. ”

    Fair point…I should amend my initial comment to acknowledge that you too have history with snacty of nunuland, KL. 😉

    My comment was more aimed at newer editions who just piled on snacty coz he was exhibiting what I presume they see to be ‘stereotypical conservative arsehat traits’…which I think is an inaccurate approximation of Filth (formerly) of North Melbourne. Or something like that.

  332. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:41 pm

    ‘Now flinging TB’s attempts at peacemaking in his face with an added insult to boot.’

    Funny that, I was there at the time and got the distinct impression that TB was needling James and he naturally retaliated.

    Anyway, I was happy to see him.

  333. February 17, 2014 8:51 pm

    Yeah, but you weren’t there the time before that, or the time before that or the time before that…etc.

    It’s been going down since 2006/2007.

  334. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:55 pm

    No, but does it matter, we have all matured. James is a fine young fellow and TB enjoys patronising him.

  335. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 17, 2014 8:55 pm

    It is true that nobody does outrage like the left and nobody does nasty like the right!

    And who could disagree with that?

    …though I’ve come across a few nasty left types, but maybe they aren’t really left after all.

    (personally, I think everyone here is quite nice)

  336. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:08 pm

    (personally, I think everyone here is quite nice)

    Its true and reading through the comments of the past few hours I was laughing uproariously. The place has retained its spark.

  337. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:10 pm

    “And who could disagree with that?

    Me.

    My experience is that lefties are nasty people.

  338. February 17, 2014 9:13 pm

    Neil, I like you, your onbstinance has its own quaint charm, but you are the VERY DEFINITION of monochromatic.

  339. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:21 pm

    My experience is that lefties are nasty people.

    Is that the right doing Outrage!

  340. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:21 pm

    I can only tell you my experience. I have been abused by lefties since i first posted on Dunlops blog back in 2007.

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:24 pm

    Funny that, I was there at the time and got the distinct impression that TB was needling James and he naturally retaliated.

    You don’t have to “be there”, egg … just go back and read the fkn thread ….

    Your “impressions” don’t count … its not as if we having a pint in the pub …

    James is a fine young fellow and TB enjoys patronising him.

    Another silly comment … unless you know him personally … and as Ser T mentioned only a few here know the history … some of us have moved on from the biff of Blogocrats … some …

    … I’ve proved James’ comments to be incorrect a number of times – and because he knows I’m older than he is he calls it patronising … and I might add I’ve conceded to his arguments on occasion … as I have to many other commenters here, over the years …

    FFS … if you want to comment and just offer an opinion or incorrect information then expect to be challenged until you can prove your case …

    Unfortunately some people just keep coming back with the same BS they offered up months or years ago …

    I share here (and I only have time for one blog) because I like to think I have something to offer and because I learn every day … in fact I often quote conversations from the TDT (not readily accepted by my family when I began a few years ago, BTW) … when the sharing stops so will my comments …

    And as you all take the piss 😉 you also know at my age I need the intellectual stimulation … every once in a while I get a little prick … 🙄

    I have offered to bury the hatchet with James four times now … as far as I’m concerned – subject closed …

  342. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:25 pm

    monochromatic … so many meanings for that word …

  343. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:28 pm

    I have been abused by lefties since i first posted on Dunlops blog back in 2007.

    There really should be a Royal Commission

  344. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:29 pm

    Right, I must have the wrong brief.

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:35 pm

    Right, I must have the wrong brief.

    Do you need one?

  346. egg permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:40 pm

    At the moment I’m relying on anecdotal evidence and hearsay.

  347. TB Queensland permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:46 pm

    BTW, sReb – I forgot mention the other day … like the effect of the “actual photo taken by me” … looks like a model of a street …

    This bloke’s gone to town (‘scuse) … 😆

    Ventura Crossroads - Tilt Shift Fake
  348. Tony permalink
    February 17, 2014 9:49 pm

    Enjoy:

  349. Walrus permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:21 pm

    ” … every once in a while I get a little prick … ”

    Just keep popping those purple pills.

  350. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 17, 2014 10:22 pm

    monochromatic … so many meanings for that word …

    It is really just black and white 🙂

  351. Meta permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:30 pm

    (…and it was ever thus; and continues as lifelong learning; perhaps.)

  352. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 17, 2014 11:39 pm

    erica abetz talking to a young and clearly disabled man on qanda

    “we offer a safety net, not a hammock”

    nice

  353. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2014 9:10 am

    Just keep popping those purple pills.

    I know you need the blue ones … WTF are the purple ones for?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    M, got it in two 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    KL, Brandis, Abetz, Morrison, Hunt, Dutton … all seem to be mealy mouthed, arrogant and self rightous … no wonder the Hollowmen keep them out of the presence of cameras …

    I spoke to a big Liberal supporter yesterday … got to asylum seekers and how they’ve, “stopped the boats” … when I mentioned the tow back and incursion into Indonesian waters he said, “Who’s Scott Morrison?” … after explaining to him (three times) that the RAN was accused of violating Indonesian waters and that Morrison had said it was inadvertent/accidental he continued to say, “but there is no proof they went into Indonesian waters” … 🙄

    Then his missus chipped in, “and we know that Indonesia is corrupt, so who would you believe” …

    … and later in the conversation I got, “and what’s wrong with Schappelle and earning $2 mill … she suffered in those Indonesian jails … I think she deserves it” … me, “so do you think she was innocent?” … she, “I don’t know but those jails were filthy! And anyway she’s done her time” … “How long did she serve?” …. “Nine years wasn’t it?” … “but what was her sentence?” … “er, 20 I think …” … “then she hasn’t served …” …. “Yes she has! She’s been released!”

    Iggorance is astounding … I’ve got to spend a month with these two … I’ll go fkn mad …

  354. egg permalink
    February 18, 2014 8:53 pm

    ‘Osborne will tell Scots they cannot keep the pound if they vote for independence in the September 18 referendum which will be open to about 4 million residents of Scotland over the age of 16.’

    Reuters

  355. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:22 am

    Now ICAC is shining its light on the Liberals:

    Former New South Wales Energy Minister Chris Hartcher and two other state government MPs have voluntarily withdrawn from the Liberal Party after moves to suspend them over corruption allegations were put in motion.

    A senior government source confirmed to the ABC that the party started the process to suspend Mr Hartcher, Darren Webber and Chris Spence last night after they were named in new ICAC public hearings.

    The trio recently renominated for pre-selection in their Central Coast seats.

    The Independent Commission Against Corruption revealed it is investigating claims the MPs solicited money from various sources in return for favours.

    It is also looking at whether Mr Hartcher favoured the interests of Australian Water Holdings after it allegedly made several payments to a company set up by one of his staffers.

    In a perverse way, I’m glad to see this. I’m sick to death of having to comment on Unionland corruption. Makes me seem biased. Hopefully we can get a good look at how Liberal grubs rort the system.

  356. egg permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:23 am

    InfrastructureInfrastructureInfrastructure

    Joe Hockey

  357. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:24 am

    Hopefully we can get a good look at how Liberal grubs rort the system.

    Well, we saw already, weddings parties, anything, but it just wasn’t as interesting apparently.

  358. Walrus permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:25 am

    “Now ICAC is shining its light on the Liberals:”

    WTF

    I thought the brown paper bag tied with a blue ribbon and containing an LNP How to Vote Card was at its maximum limit when I dropped it into their offices the other day

  359. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:48 am

    “Well, we saw already, weddings parties, anything, but it just wasn’t as interesting apparently.”

    Not quite as interesting as nor on the same scale as Obeid and his Unionland mates ripping over $100m from NSW taxpayers. But certainly a pointer to a culture of corruption.

    There was an earlier thread on this where most of us hammered the Libs for their corrupt sense of entitlement.

  360. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 19, 2014 10:08 am

    most of us hammered the Libs for their corrupt sense of entitlement.

    And is there a difference between the current parliamentary positions of the union cheats and the Liberal cheats?

    That is the real issue. As has been pointed out, the RC into Unions looks to be unnecessary, as, the exposure of wrong doing has come from within the Unions, and prosecuted by the Unions until action is taken.

    Corruption exists everywhere. The test is what action is taken when it is exposed.

  361. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 19, 2014 10:35 am

    Jiggy J, the ICAC investigation into the Libs is very much like an RC. ICAC has very similar powers.

    I think there is a world of difference between the CFMEU partnership with organised crime and parliamentary expense claims.

    In the AWU case the exposure was by Bob Kernohon – who was persecuted, hounded and bashed to within an inch of his life after he declined a safe Labor seat in return for his silence, and by Ian Cambridge who left the union and was appointed to FWA. CAmbridge called for an RC then and still stands by that call.

    In that case the Victorian President, in a note to his colleagues, including Shorten, said that if Cambridge wasn’t stopped they were all history. So the civil action was terminated. The union stopped chasing the missing money and stopped co-operating with police. That is precisely why an RC is needed.

  362. February 19, 2014 11:41 am

    The American Right…making our rightwing flagsturbation club here in Oz seem positively sane by comparison…

    http://dailycurrant.com/2014/02/04/ann-coulter-coca-cola-ceo-should-be-executed-for-treason-2/

    Here’s waiting for condemnation of the ‘barbarian’ comments from Bolt & his ilk…condemnation which will never eventuate, because he/they are just partisan arsehats, only interested in highlighting the questionable behaviours of ideological enemies; not ideological bedfellows.

    It also makes me baulk at the sheer dangerous ignorance of such people’s mentality of ‘American culture’ & what it should or shouldn’t be. unfknblvbl 🙄

    “”I wanna see Mustafa or Mufti or whatever his name is in the middle of Times Square with a noose around his neck,” she told host Brian Kilmeade. “This guy is clearly working for Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah and the Mexican drug cartels.

    “We live in America. We don’t speak languages from other continents — we speak English. If you’re the CEO of an American company, using Spanish and Arabic in your TV ads is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

    “I’m not talking about vigilante justice. Let’s just put the CEO of Coca-Cola on trial for treason and then have a dozen of our finest Marines carry out his execution in public so the world can see what happens if you disrespect our language and culture.””

    Indefensible

  363. February 19, 2014 11:45 am

    Haha, The Daily Currant is a satirical site.

  364. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 19, 2014 11:50 am

    But good satire is close to the truth. Here is a prescient Ann Coulter immediately after 9/11:

    “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”

  365. Walrus permalink
    February 19, 2014 11:51 am

    “As has been pointed out, the RC into Unions looks to be unnecessary, as, the exposure of wrong doing has come from within the Unions, and prosecuted by the Unions until action is taken.”

    Yet another rewriting of History.

    The ultimate conviction of Thomson was a result of the initial articles in the Fairfax Press and his attempted defamation action.

    Its bullshit to say otherwise

  366. February 19, 2014 11:58 am

    Indeed, splatter!

    That’s why I thought it was worth posting. She has form.

    I assumed I’d better acknowledge that it was a pisstake in case anyone mistook me for taking it seriously. That site is like christwire, the true value is in reading the comments by those who were ‘had’.

  367. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2014 12:21 pm

    “I assumed I’d better acknowledge that it was a pisstake in case anyone mistook me for taking it seriously.”

    Guffaw.

  368. February 19, 2014 2:16 pm

    😉

  369. Walrus permalink
    February 19, 2014 6:00 pm

    I bet plenty of you did not realize this piece of legislation (a left over from that fuckwit Gillard) was coming.

    So watch out if you are ever late in repaying your credit card (even by 1 day) because no matter how many times you might have paid it on time from now on your credit rating may well be fucked.

    **************Changes to the Privacy Act and the impact on Consumer Credit****************

    “……RHI is information about whether you have met your consumer credit payment obligations. Consumer credit is credit that is intended to be used primarily for personal, family or household purposes.

    RHI includes information about whether you have made a payment on time or whether you have missed a payment. If you only pay part of the amount owing, you are taken to have missed a payment.

    RHI includes the day on which a payment is due, and if you made a payment after that day, the date on which you paid. Therefore, RHI can include both positive and negative information about your credit history.

    It does not include the amount of any missed payment — only the fact that you have made or missed a payment.

    http://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/privacy-resources/privacy-fact-sheets/credit-and-finance/privacy-fact-sheet-16-credit-reporting-repayment-history-information

  370. February 19, 2014 7:27 pm

    ha ha dunny,

    Several conservative leaders have denounced the ad on Twitter, while others have called for a boycott of the Atlanta-based beverage giant. In the interview this morning, however, Coulter proposed a somewhat more radical solution.
    http://dailycurrant.com/2014/02/04/ann-coulter-coca-cola-ceo-should-be-executed-for-treason-2/

    lt`s a nice change to see the foxtard`s eat their `own` corporate children, so to speak, instead of tryin`to eat some smaller `defenseless` critter.

    Pepsi will be lovin`this.

  371. February 19, 2014 7:44 pm

    ””””””””erica abetz talking to a young and clearly disabled man on qanda

    “we offer a safety net, not a hammock”

    nice””””””””””””””””””’

    yeah armchair, l saw the abetz pig on qandaland too,

    l always keep in mind the pigs like abetz are getting over $3500-per-week, and once again it is the `haves` demanding the `belt-tightening` should be done by the `have-nots`

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2014 7:57 pm

    WHY FRACKING ROBBER BARONS SHOULD BE STOPPED!

    Both wells continue leaking natural gas into the air, and Chevron was given special permission to take a million gallons from nearby Dunkard Creek to pour over the noxious wells and sink back into the groundwater supply. Drinking water poisoned by the fracking industry is responsible for a wave of illness and disease in Southwest Pennsylvania, although the area’s boom in natural gas fracking is just six years old — longer term exposure to many of the poisons produced by the wells, such as benzene, are known causes of cancer and birth defects.

    Like many parts of Pennsylvania, the rural community of Bobtown is covered with fracking wells.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chevron-compensates-residents-near-fracking-explosion-in-pennsylvania-with-pizza/story-fnkgdg1h-1226831934899

  373. February 19, 2014 9:39 pm

    yep. fracking is gonna`be a re-run of hinkley,
    (that`s erin brockovich)
    .
    doco `gasland` by josh fox, recommend highly if interested in the fracking stupidity,

    it is what is in store for Aust water-tables, they will be fcuked

  374. Tony permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:46 pm

    Fracking has become a left-right issue, just like “climate change”. Gasland has its converse in FrackNation.

  375. February 19, 2014 10:09 pm

    #cannot-see-video

    ””””’Fracking has become a left-right issue,”””’
    ””””’just like “climate change”.”””””
    Only for the imbeciles that `want` it to be, to protect frack-corp, and attack the poisoned.

    Drink all the `produced`water you want.

    .
    .
    ””Gasland has its converse in FrackNation.””’

    converse.? as in `anti`.?
    sounds like a frack-corp propaganda piece.

    FYI scales`osy, Fox went across teh-usa, many frack victims were also `biz-people` and also `repugs`, so to claim Fox/Gasland is left/right, or believe it is left/right is the realm of the corrupt and the stupid.

  376. egg permalink
    February 19, 2014 11:31 pm

    Fracking is an integral part of the free market, supply and demand, whereas ‘green energy’ requires government tit to operate.

  377. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 7:20 am

    MARTIAN FATWA

    ‘A Fatwa has been issued against living on Mars by clerics who say that trying to set up home there would be un-Islamic.

    ‘The fatwa – or ruling – was issued by the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment (GAIAE) in the UAE after the Mars One organisation announced that it would try and establish a permanent human settlement on Mars’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562957/Muslim-leaders-issue-fatwa-against-living-MARS-no-righteous-reason-there.html#ixzz2tnjkfgtT
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  378. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:47 am

    “………‘A Fatwa has been issued against living on Mars by clerics who say that trying to set up home there would be un-Islamic.”

    One day they might say the same about Israel

  379. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:55 am

    Dead, Buried, Cremated

    The Abbott government pressed SPC Ardmona to slash pay for workers by as much as 40 per cent under a radical bailout plan for the food processor.

    Three union officials said they had meetings with SPC Ardmona managing director Peter Kelly before Christmas in which Mr Kelly said he was being pressed by the Abbott government to put workers on the award if the company wanted a $25 million subsidy.
    …………
    Labor’s employment and workplace relations spokesman, Brendan O’Connor, said Prime Minister Tony Abbott had previously attacked publicly the ”modest pay and conditions” of SPC workers.

    ”[And] Mr Hockey has made it clear that he supports a race-to-the-bottom approach to workers’ wages and conditions in this country,” Mr O’Connor said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cannery-spc-ardmona-put-under-cosh-to-cut-wages-in-return-for-government-bailout-20140219-3313w.html#ixzz2toMsVjL3

    The workers best friend? Didn’t he also say we are Indonesia’s best friend, and China’s, and …….

  380. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 11:25 am

    Nice picture that highlights the above

  381. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2014 11:31 am

    JJ

    You can play politics with the issue and make smartarse comments. But you provide no solution.

    Once again- back in the 1970’s we used to make everything and it is now gone. Every manufacturer who up and leaves gives the same reason. It is too expensive to make things in Australia.

    It does look like SPC wages and benefits were too high and they have tried to solve this problem with a new EBA.

    But on the old EBA you could get two years redundancy and most of the workers are on the old EBA.

    Unless you can give a solution to the problem other than subsidies i think you should keep quiet.

  382. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 11:40 am

    “It does look like SPC wages and benefits were too high and they have tried to solve this problem with a new xxxxxxxxx.”…….. Federal Government handout.

    Sorry Neil

    Fixed it for ya !

  383. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 11:42 am

    “……..he was being pressed by the Abbott government to put workers on the award if the company wanted a $25 million subsidy.”

    And that should apply to every business seeking a subsidy.

  384. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 11:56 am

    And that should apply to every business seeking a subsidy.

    What, to accept whatever Award the Government is offering? Small Government is looking pretty big these days.

  385. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:00 pm

    Do we want to be a nation whose prosperity is held hostage by commodity prices, or do we want to be a nation that builds things, asks AMWU national secretary Paul Bastian.

    “No country has subsidised its way to prosperity.”

    ~ Prime Minister Tony Abbott (December 2013)

    No country — that is, except all of them.

    There are only all the European ones, the American ones, the South American ones, the Asian ones — pick a prosperous country and you will see government subsidies.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/workers-not-to-blame-for-car-industry-decline,6189

    America heavily subsidised it’s car industry, and now has a growing job market again. Australia refused theirs, and has lost theirs.

    A subsidy is, after all, another word for investment. We have a low investment Government (unless you are a Miner, or Chocolate maker)

  386. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:05 pm

    “What, to accept whatever Award the Government is offering?”

    Its not “whatever Award” it is the one already set Federally for their job they are performing.

    But you already knew that.

    Why should the Taxpayer subsidise an above Award payment

  387. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:09 pm

    “America heavily subsidised it’s car industry”

    To the tune of about $200 per vehicle as opposed to our $1,800.

    I refer to the Productivity Commission Report.

    Why do I get a strong feeling of Deja Vu ?

  388. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:10 pm

    “A subsidy is, after all, another word for investment.”

    ROFLMAO

  389. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:10 pm

    And that excludes the 5% tariff

  390. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:20 pm

    Fracking is an integral part of the free market, supply and demand, whereas ‘green energy’ requires government tit to operate.

    No free market supply & demand activity receives government [taxpayer] subsidies or incentives??? think about it 😯

  391. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:30 pm

    Not to the same extent as green energy, which as you know is non-productive and will never carry base load.

  392. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:34 pm

    .It’s not “whatever Award” it is the one already set Federally for their job they are performing.

    Which is the Award the Government was offering. Does this mean you think we should go back to a central wage fixing system, one wage for all? Ignoring local factors and requirements?

    ROFLMAO

    Why is it not, when often helping an industry through tough times, or helping it compete, offers larger returns than what is being invested

  393. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:58 pm

    “Which is the Award the Government was offering.”

    And which is the minimum wage determined for their job classification and which some workers elsewhere in Australia work under.

    “Does this mean you think we should go back to a central wage fixing system,”

    That is not what I said. I said if a company is granted a subsidy then all there should be only paid to the extent of the minimum under the Award.

    But you knew that……………

    This would also apply to office staff (usually under the Clerical award) plus a freeze on management salaries. Part of the subsidy should be set aside to examine the payroll each quarter to ensure no breaches AND a stat dec given by the CEO and CFO to that effect.

    Its certainly not Rocket Science and wage and salary audits are quite routine in nature

  394. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:00 pm

    America heavily subsidised it’s car industry

    “subsidised” is a past tense. are you denying that the USA poured huge amounts into it’s car industry after the GFC?

    We haven’t reached those levels, but ours has been more ongoing over a more extended period.

    I also did show before how selective that report was. They were in search of a specific result.

  395. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:16 pm

    “…..are you denying that the USA poured huge amounts into it’s car industry after the GFC?”

    Not at all

    An extimated 80% has now been repaid.

    How much of our decade plus of subsidies have been repaid ?

  396. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:20 pm

    “We haven’t reached those levels

    I read that the US auto industry got a lot of help during the GFC but then paid it back. According to this link we subsidise the most

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/02/11/everyone-is-doing-it-subsidising-the-auto-industry/

    Australia has the highest rate of budgetary assistance to the automotive industry at $US 1885 per vehicle, with the next closest Sweden at $297 per vehicle. In point of fact, the figure for the US came in at only $166 per vehicle and Germany at $206 per vehicle.”

  397. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:28 pm

    “No country has subsidised its way to prosperity.”

    ………….

    “Australia has the highest rate of budgetary assistance to the automotive industry at $US 1885 per vehicle, with the next closest Sweden at $297 per vehicle. In point of fact, the figure for the US came in at only $166 per vehicle and Germany at $206 per vehicle.”

    Should we say it again.

    “No country has subsidised its way to prosperity.”

  398. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:31 pm

    if a company is granted a subsidy then all there should be only paid to the extent of the minimum under the Award.

    Does that go for management? Does that mean that we will ignore local factors in future? Does that apply to miners (who even I will admit are paying their workers far too much)?

    Will this extend to a PPL scheme should it get up?

  399. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:33 pm

    Yes and we gave the car industry all that money and they still left.

  400. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:33 pm

    plus a freeze on management salaries.

    Sorry, missed that. Although, if the workers take a pay cut, shouldn’t management also take a pay cut?

  401. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:38 pm

    Yes and we gave the car industry all that money and they still left.

    Not all of them. Two said they would stay if subsidised. Now they are gone, Alcoa soon after. Who’s next? It is the flow on effect that is worrying.

  402. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:49 pm

    Two said they would stay if subsidised.

    I don’t think that is right. They were subsidised but then asked for even more

    “Now they are gone, Alcoa soon after”

    Yep, same again. Alcoa was subsidised but still left. And same again. High wages, way above the award killed the company.

    The answer is always the same for any problem faced by an ALP supporter- subsidise it with borrowed money.

  403. February 20, 2014 5:13 pm

    ”””’green energy, which as you know is non-productive and will never carry base load.””””

    more fcuking dumb prattle from Dumpty

    Las Vegas not a large enough `base-load` for`ya

  404. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 5:42 pm

    By the way Alcoa has not left.

    There are 3 basic stages to Aluminium production. You mine the bauxite, then you turn that into Alumina which is a powdery substance and is very very volatile so it is dangerous to stockpile without a lot of safeguards. It is used in abrasives and deodorants even toothpaste so it has a wide range of uses.

    Then Alumina is made into aluminium. The problem now is aluminium requires a shitload of electricity. The Chinese have flooded the World with Aluminium in an effort to drive down the price of Alumina.

    But what they have done is produce so fucking much Aluminium that Alumina by itself has de-coupled from the set price of Alumina as on the London Metal Exchange (LME) Aluminium price. They have effectively created a second market and shot themselves in the foot with a fucking 50 calibre machine gun.

    This is reflected heavily in the ASX price of AWC which is the joint venture partner of Alcoa. The other big one is Alcan (owned by Rio Tinto).

    Alcoa is keeping it Alumina ops running for the time being.

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 6:06 pm

    Does that mean that we will ignore local factors in future? Does that apply to miners (who even I will admit are paying their workers far too much)?

    Will this extend to a PPL scheme should it get up?

    1. Local factors are considered in all negotiations for Agreements … I tend to agree with Wally, though … if a company is in trouble then it should operate on flat rate awards until its out of the hole, paid back the loan (I don’t believe in subsidies either – they are very “command system” and certainly not “free market”) … once the company is comfortable* that it can negotiate a pay & conditions deal with its workforce then it should …

    (*based upon its P&L figures)

    2. When I hear people say miners “get paid too much”, I always ask – have you evr worked on a mine or even been to one? Well have you, JJ? Are you arware of what FIFO actually entails? Have you been to a mining town in the outback?

    3. The PPL is, I believe, capped to a $75,000 max … and I think it is an unfair policy aimed at people who can afford it paid for by people who can’t … welfare of this sort should be – all the same for everyone, or means tested …

  406. February 20, 2014 6:17 pm

    FFS arguing about `mining` `wages` is stupid, only 1.3% of workforce in mining, and falling (robotics) it is the other 98.x% of workforce, that needs the `certainty` of not being `free-trade-junked`, to be re-re-re-re-trained in.

  407. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 6:21 pm

    ‘Las Vegas not a large enough `base-load` for`ya’

    I forgot about Hoover Dam.

  408. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 6:56 pm

    That’s an amazing story, Walrus.

  409. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 7:53 pm

    That’s an amazing story, Walrus.

    Duh?

    get out more, sunshine …

  410. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 7:55 pm

    Unlike you I’m not a font of knowledge.

  411. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 7:59 pm

    Amazing story?????? Intersesting maybe … but amazing?

    When I was in overall we had a term for that … similar to what you do with a chuppa chup …

  412. February 20, 2014 8:29 pm

    ”””’Unlike you I’m not a font of knowledge.”””
    Ya`got that right Dumpty.
    .
    ””’I forgot about Hoover Dam.”””’
    Ya`forgot about all the solar/thermal stuff too.

  413. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 8:56 pm

    Apart from Las Vegas, are there any others able to carry the baseload?

  414. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 8:59 pm

    Jesus wept …

  415. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:02 pm

    ‘similar to what you do with a chuppa chup …’

    Do you mean sucking up?

  416. February 20, 2014 9:04 pm

    the stupid, it hurts

  417. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:09 pm

    🙄

  418. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:10 pm

  419. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:14 pm

    OR – I picked this one ’cause of the ads…

  420. Tony permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:32 pm

    This is just wrong …

  421. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:15 pm

    Yes Egg

    It’s quite interesting. They tried to force down the Alumina price via a flood of metal and failed.

    Brokers are bullish on Alumina but not on aluminium..

    Good news on Gas and Oil shares .

    The Ukraine is about to explode into civil war. The Caucusus are a vital source of such fuels

    Time to almost start dancing

  422. February 20, 2014 10:19 pm

    seems like Kiev is following the Detroit model too

  423. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:33 pm

    ‘Good news on Gas and Oil shares.’

    Bad news for NSW gas users, with prices mooted to rise by 20%. Love the free market.

  424. egg permalink
    February 22, 2014 9:18 am

    ‘The organisation planning the first manned mission to Mars has asked for the Fatwa issued against living there to be lifted, calling for clerics to remember Islam’s rich tradition of exploration and allow Muslims ‘to witness God’s creation in heaven’.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564671/Mars-One-appeals-Islamic-leaders-call-fatwa-against-Muslims-applying-trip-Red-Planet.html#ixzz2tzuQAkKG
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  425. egg permalink
    February 24, 2014 3:47 pm

    As China’s middle class grows at a brisk pace, the US middle class is in decline.

    http://www.joelkotkin.com/content/00865-us-middle-class-turning-proletarian

  426. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 5:48 pm

    And I get castigated for banging on about The Robber Barons …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/what-does-the-shocking-wealth-gap-in-us-cities-mean-and-why-does-it-matter/story-fnagkbpv-1226836150260

    We don’t want to become Abbott’s America …

  427. February 24, 2014 5:54 pm

    BTW, the photo at the top of this thread, is the area where a bomb went off yesterday killing 3 people – that’s where I was walking about just a matter of days ago…

    I COULD’VE BEEN KILLED! (Yet again…)

  428. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 5:56 pm

    egg, reading the two links (yours and mine), you can get a picture of too much money stagnating in a market economy that requires the recycling of capital to create the Multiplier Effect …

    I also note that its seems to be non-productive people (bankers, financiers, tax consultants, share brokers etc) who just shift money around or others who simply create entertaininment (film stars, sportspeople, TV personalities) …

    The middle class – the people who actually make any economy of any type move – are being stifled …

  429. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 6:08 pm

    I COULD’VE BEEN KILLED! (Yet again…)

    Thanks for the heads up, sreb!

    Guess where I’m going tomorrow!!!! 😯

    The bus we were on in Egypt in ’97 was blown up three months after we left and the shoot up in the Valley of the Kings followed closely …

    We flew into London the day the underground was blown up …

    We had a bomb scare as we were disembarking a ferry in Ireland …

    We flew into London (another visit) as the volcano in Iceland erupted …

    I was working in Tabubil when a gang of raskals robbed the BHPB payoffice at gunpoint in the centre of town … it was like a keystone Kops film as they police chased the car down the main street all guns blazing (from two police 4wds and the bad guys 4wd – hanging on the running boards and in the tray … ) would have been funny if it wasn’t so fkn dangerous!

    What fun travelling is … 🙄

    We’d better sit down and have a quiet drink, Jummy! *clink*

  430. egg permalink
    February 24, 2014 6:26 pm

    ‘…its seems to be non-productive people (bankers, financiers, tax consultants, share brokers etc) who just shift money around…’

    It does appear to be the case.

    ‘In 2012, the top 5 percent of earners were responsible for 38 percent of domestic consumption, up from 28 percent in 1995, the researchers found.

    ‘Even more striking, the current recovery has been driven almost entirely by the upper crust, according to Mr. Fazzari and Mr. Cynamon.

    ‘Since 2009, the year the recession ended, inflation-adjusted spending by this top echelon has risen 17 percent, compared with just 1 percent among the bottom 95 percent.’

    New York Times

  431. February 24, 2014 6:33 pm

    Aye *clink* TB….

  432. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 7:20 pm

    What has happened to sub judice in this country?

    http://www.thenewsmanual.net/Resources/medialaw_in_australia_03.html

    1. Publishing matter likely to prejudice a fair trial

    From the time somebody is arrested, charged or a warrant is issued, up to the moment when the court finishes dealing with it, the case is said to be sub judice. This is a Latin phrase meaning “under judgment”. While a case is sub judice, you are strictly limited as to what you can report.

    You may only give details of what is happening officially within the legal process. In practice this means only information which is part of a charge or details which are part of actual court proceedings. You may also mention some details which are not likely to be contested in court.

    Several kinds of reports while a case is sub judice may prejudice a fair trial. One has already been mentioned – publishing details of the defendant’s previous convictions.

    Another is broadcasting details of the background of the case. Whenever there is a big trial, reporters gather together details of the defendant’s past life and other background information, ready to publish them at the end of the trial. Once the trial is over, and is no longer sub judice, then all this material can be reported. However, if any of it is published during the trial it may be held to prejudice a fair trial.

    If there is no jury, then what is published or broadcast is not so likely to prejudice a fair trial, since the judge will be more able to ignore it. Nevertheless, even in trials without juries there are limits to what will be tolerated and care should be taken not to interfere with the proper course of justice.

    For more on sub judice, go to Chapter 64: The rules of court reporting, and to Chapter 66: Court reporting, a case in practice, where you will also find a cartoon by Papua New Guinean artist Bob Browne which illustrates in a humorous way how sub judice, defamation, privilege and contempt work in relation to each other. You can also click here to see a simple colour chart illustrating how they interact in two common legal processes.
    blockquote>

    Most if not all people who comment here will have heard of Danial Morcambe, the 12 yo lad who was murdered.

    I overheard on Channel 7 a police interview with the accused, Brett Peter Cowan, and then found an article on news.com.au …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/trial-day-9-brett-peter-cowan-44-aka-shaddo-nunyah-hunter-accused-of-killing-teenager-daniel-morcombe/story-fnii5v6w-1226835868869

    What happened to the concept of “innocent until proven guilty”?

    Not all people arrested, charged and commited to trial are guilty … what if it was one of your family …

    And what is the judge doing … surely this is contempt of court … juries are allowed home each night now … not locked up in motel/hotel rooms …

  433. egg permalink
    February 24, 2014 7:20 pm

    “The best thing for rich people to do is become Batman”
    ― Karl Marx

    Karl was ahead of his time.

  434. TB Queensland permalink
    February 24, 2014 7:33 pm

    Kaarl was a Fuckwit© and got it wrong so was Keynes … in fact I can’t think of anyone who has got economics right …

    AND NOW!

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/anz-commissions-gaytms-for-sydney-gay-and-lesbian-mardi-gras/story-fnkjidjt-1226836308425

  435. egg permalink
    February 25, 2014 10:04 am

    ‘LABOR has clawed back to be neck and neck with the Coalition on the primary vote in the latest Newspoll out today.

    ‘The figures, compiled exclusively for The Australian, shows the Coalition and Labor both on 39 percentage points.

    ‘The data shows the Coalition vote dropping two percentage points, down from 41 earlier this month, while Labor has climbed four points.

    ‘The Greens have also slumped to 10 percentage points, down from 12 at the previous poll.’

    Owen / Daily Terror

  436. Tony permalink
    February 25, 2014 2:46 pm

    More from the Annals of Settled Science: 7 foods that were supposed to be incredibly unhealthy — but are actually anything but

  437. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 25, 2014 3:29 pm

    8. Then – red wine makes you drunk.
    Now – red contains vital antioxidants and makes many more women attractive.

  438. February 25, 2014 3:55 pm

    OMG!

    You guys may remember a couple of years ago, I mentioned how my next door neighbour (when I lived in Tasmania) had been charged with child sex abuse when he was a priest. Well he’s just been jailed.

    This is freaking me out. I was on quite friendly terms with him and his wife, and had them for dinner at our place on a number of occasions, and also had dinner at their place too..

    His wife must be gutted ços she was always so prim and proper… Like Hyacinth, which I always thought was quite funny. I feel sorry for her because all this happened before they were married…

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/former-catholic-priest-james-jennings-80-jailed-for-sustained-sex-attacks-at-bendigo-in-the-1960s/story-fni0ffnk-1226836271577

  439. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2014 4:37 pm

    could be your everyday grandfather

    did he ever talk about his priestly past to you and was he pious and religious still?

  440. February 25, 2014 4:48 pm

    “did he ever talk about his priestly past to you and was he pious and religious still?”

    Not at all… In fact he seldom talked about himself. When he did speak it was mostly to do with gardening and red wine…

    His wife was the more talkative of the two…

    As you can imagine, it is quite a tight nit community in the local township in Tasmania so it will be like a bomb shell…

  441. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 25, 2014 5:37 pm

    Why do we get additional US style copyright restrictions but not their Fair Use exemptions?

    Also, some things never change – on the weekend I found on the inner sleeve of a 1970’s Ella Fitzgerald record an admonition that home taping was killing the industry and was also illegal.

  442. Tony permalink
    February 25, 2014 5:59 pm

    Quelle surprise!

    “He is vain, secretive, paranoid and jealous, prone to leering at young women and making frequent sexist jokes – and that’s not the view of one of his many enemies, but of a friend who regards him sympathetically.

    “A damning picture of Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks who is currently sheltering in the Ecuadorean embassy in London in a bid to avoid extradition to Sweden on rape charges, has emerged in a detailed account by his ghostwriter Andrew O’Hagan.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/10655638/Paranoid-vain-and-jealous-the-secret-life-of-WikiLeaks-founder-Julian-Assange.html

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/2014/02/21/andrew-ohagan/ghosting

  443. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 6:06 pm

    More from the Annals of Settled Science

    Good list, sb … pity they missed/forgot butter over margarine …

  444. Walrus permalink
    February 25, 2014 6:08 pm

    “He is vain, secretive, paranoid and jealous, prone to leering at young women and making frequent sexist jokes…….”

    A perfect fit for the Senate

  445. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 6:12 pm

    This is freaking me out. I was on quite friendly terms with him and his wife

    I’m so sorry, sreb!

    You must replace all your clothing and anything else that this thing has possibly touched … it could be catching … he is a catlik priest and they seem to be struggling with an epidemic …

    I can flog sell you a very good Premium Memory Wipe Device … very cheap … just let me know …

  446. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 6:13 pm

    A perfect fit for the Senate

    Or government front benches …

  447. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 6:14 pm

    could be your everyday grandfather

    No he fkn well couldn’t!

  448. egg permalink
    February 25, 2014 6:15 pm

    I see dog’s representative on earth has called Pell to Rome and placed him in finance.

  449. Meta permalink
    February 25, 2014 6:22 pm

    (Do have a most excellent holiday, TB & Co. Indochina is one of the best places on the Planet, imo, so I’m sure you’ll enjoy your tour thoroughly.)

  450. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 6:55 pm

    Ta, M … 🙂

    I shall return … and review … 🙂

  451. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2014 7:43 pm

    I see dog’s representative on earth has called Pell to Rome and placed him in finance.

    very nice for him to be in the counting house, must like running his hands through all the goldies. He sure didn’t like parting with it when it came to compensation here. Would he mind hanging around long enough to see the RC through to the end?

  452. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 7:53 pm

    Would he mind hanging around long enough to see the RC through to the end?

    Mmmm … interesting you should say that, KL, according to Nostradamus, our current, “Holy Godfather”, is the last!

  453. TB Queensland permalink
    February 25, 2014 8:29 pm

    I just asked my house-sitter if he would like to continue commenting under my gravatar … he said something about a lot of ponces … and walked a way … so …

    Jusqu’à ce que nous nous reverrons …

    I shall attempt to comment if and when I can get to the internet …

    Be noice to each other …

    TB 🙂

  454. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 25, 2014 10:49 pm

    Avoir du plaisir M. et Mme TB à bientôt!

  455. egg permalink
    February 27, 2014 8:09 am

  456. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 27, 2014 9:58 am

    Not so much of a promotion, more like protection:

    http://christiancatholicism.com/aussie-pressures-lead-pope-francis-to-pull-pell-who-is-next/

    …The Vatican’s apologists, of course, have tried to spin this as a “promotion”, but this fantasy fools few. Australia’s top Catholic leader has reluctantly had to flee his beloved homeland to seek Vatican protection, as the USA’s Cardinal Law did a decade before…

    …Who will be next as the Vatican circles its wagons to protect cardinals and bishops ? What ever happened to the Pope’s abuse commission? Can the Pope continue avoiding the abuse scandal as discussed here http://christiancatholicism.com/some-new-cardinals-and-some-old-problems/

  457. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 27, 2014 3:07 pm

    Ashby’s Baaaack!

  458. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 27, 2014 3:28 pm

    Wonder if we will get the same balanced reporting this time around?

    The Council upholds the complaint due to the very stark difference between the detail, tone and prominence of the newspaper’s initial coverage on 21 April and of its report on 13 December of the dismissal. The later report did not need to match the prominence and detail of the earlier report by, for example, being of similar length and on the same pages. But in the circumstances of this case the degree of difference was so great as to constitute a clear breach of the Council’s Principle concerning fairness and balance. – See more at: http://nofibs.com.au/2014/02/27/press-council-upholds-margokingston1-complaint-dailytelegraph-ashbygate/#sthash.j6Jwkpdq.dpuf

  459. egg permalink
    March 2, 2014 12:14 pm

    Yuan slip predicts end of era.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2014-03/01/content_17314372.htm

  460. March 3, 2014 10:31 am

    This is so wrong:

    North Korea state media reports Australian missionary John Short will be released.

  461. egg permalink
    March 3, 2014 10:42 am

    Wise move by the supreme leader.

  462. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 3, 2014 12:30 pm

    “North Korea state media reports Australian missionary John Short will be released.

    Maybe he agreed to get one of those fashionable state approved haircuts.

  463. egg permalink
    March 3, 2014 1:38 pm

    During the recent famine it was natural time for black market free enterprise to flourish. The people are not brainwashed, just half starved and living in fear (aka 1984), but non political conflict is seemingly allowed.

    http://www.thirteen.org/programs/frontline/harassed-for-wearing-pants–but-fighting-back/

    They had nothing on Short and let him go.

  464. Walrus permalink
    March 3, 2014 5:24 pm

    If you want absolute confirmation as to why Bill Short-Term will never be PM look no further than here…….

    http://www.blogotariat.com/node/1498707

  465. egg permalink
    March 3, 2014 5:36 pm

    Those reporters are so cruel and uncaring, Bill’s a nice bloke and doesn’t deserve to be publicly humiliated.

  466. egg permalink
    March 3, 2014 5:51 pm

    My money is now on Tanya Plibersek to lead Labor at the next election.

  467. egg permalink
    March 3, 2014 6:35 pm

    We have had much discussion in recent times on the death of Australian manufacturing, but its not entirely true.

    In my town the US multinational Mars is building a state of the art, low carbon footprint, energy saving plant, for a tidy $100 million.

    Dry pet food.

  468. March 3, 2014 7:47 pm

    “If you want absolute confirmation as to why Bill Short-Term will never be PM …”

    He’s just a placeholder leader until the election looms. Much like Abbott.

    Both will likely be gone before the next election.

  469. public toilet permalink
    March 3, 2014 8:01 pm

    My employer has invested over $50,000,000 over the last couple of years on first of its kind, state of the art power generation & thermal efficiency; angling for a competitive advantage.

    Strangely enough (or not, depending upon your bias), the facility is a heavily Unionised CFMEU site.

  470. egg permalink
    March 4, 2014 7:41 am

    ‘TONY Abbott has opened the door for a radical Qantas split into domestic and international arms after federal cabinet backed the wholesale repeal of the airline’s ownership limits.

    ‘The Prime Minister outlined plans to scrap constraints on the airline’s domestic operations while keeping Australian control of the international division, a crucial step towards dividing the company.’

    Crowe / Oz

  471. Walrus permalink
    March 4, 2014 9:37 am

    “He’s just a placeholder leader until the election looms. ”

    People are saying that Bill Short-Term bears an uncanny resemblance to those gigantic statues on Easter Island

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=easter+Island&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=0F5BE5826CC01EE52667A7847568247DBD550F03&selectedIndex=27

  472. egg permalink
    March 4, 2014 7:20 pm

    There is a strong likeness.

    In other nooze.

    BEIJING — ‘China contributed over 30 percent to global trade growth last year, an economic expert said on Monday, following an announcement that the country overtook the United States as the top goods trading nation in 2013.

    ‘Tong Jiadong, vice president of Nankai University, said China’s surging foreign trade has propped up the economic advancement and trade of other countries and regions. Tong made the comments while attending a seminar held by the Ministry of Commerce (MOC).

    ‘However, China is still far from becoming a strong trading nation as it is not competitive in the high tech sector, which is the key sector of the modern economy, Tong said.’

    China Daily

  473. egg permalink
    March 5, 2014 6:52 am

    Qantas is in relatively good shape, which is why Cabinet decided to repeal the Sales Act.

  474. egg permalink
    March 5, 2014 7:29 am

    ‘SURGING exports and a big lift in new building approvals are fuelling hopes that economic growth this year will be stronger than forecast, defying Treasury’s predictions of an ongoing slowdown.

    ‘Both private-sector housing and non-residential building approvals have risen by more than 20 per cent, surpassing levels from before the global financial crisis for the first time, while record shipments of coal and iron have returned the trade account to a surplus.’

    Oz

  475. March 6, 2014 12:04 am

    #shortman

    ”””’He’s just a placeholder leader until the election looms.”””’

    Agree. The membership, (which was ignored and stomped by caucus), is a much more realistic `likeness` of the public `view`, in my opinion.

    .

    ”””’Much like Abbott.”””

    l won`t discount the publics devotion to stupidity again.

    l doubt the zombies will roll mr-rabbit.

    .

    ”””Both will likely be gone before the next election.””’

    We can only hope reb, we can only hope.

  476. haaaa permalink
    February 16, 2015 3:29 pm

    I aggree

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