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Australia is now Shooting Asylum Seekers

February 18, 2014

AUSTRALIA KOREA FREE TRADE AGREEMENT

The Coalition’s hardline stance on asylum seekers is in chaos today as reports emerge of a second riot at Manus Island in the space of just a few days.

Refugee advocates say there were ‘savage attacks’ on asylum seekers involving machetes.  A number of aslyum seekers are yet to be accounted for.

The disruptions follow warnings from Human Rights groups that conditions on the island were tantamount to “torture”and with asylum seekers deliberately subjected to degrading and inhumane conditions as a way to discourage other refugees from seeking asylum in Australia.

The Refugee Action Coalition’s Ian Rintoul says the latest incident began with locals breaking into the centre.

“The perimeter fences were breached by locals, the centre had already been evacuated and PNG police and locals carried out systematic attacks, savage attacks on the asylum seekers last night.”

“If there are asylum seekers outside the perimeter fence it’s because they’ve fled for their lives late last night from those attacks.”

He says up to 50 people have been injured inside the compound.

“Bashings, cuts from machetes, with sticks, gunshots were heard overnight,” he said.

“I don’t know of anyone being shot but people – one person we were told –  was actually thrown off the first floor of one of the buildings.”

A man who said he was a detainee at the centre said that shots were fired and most of the detainees had fled.

Mr Rintoul says tensions around the detention centre have been growing.

“There are lots of sources of that tension, the very existence of the detention centre has caused problems in terms of local traders who actually gets advantages or spoils of the detention centre,” he said.

“There have been problems in the city with G4S guards and other PNG guards, there have been issues between… PNG police and the military over pay and who’s got responsibility for particular jobs inside the place.

“So the thing is dysfunctional. It’s quite clear now that they just can’t guarantee the welfare of the asylum seekers.”

 

BREAKING:

One person has been killed and 77 injured, including one gunshot wound, amid a riot at the Manus Island detention centre, the immigration minister, Scott Morrison, has confirmed.

Protests escalated inside the centre and asylum seekers breached internal and external perimeter fences during the second incident in as many nights, he said earlier. Morrison described the incident as “more serious” than another similar incident which occurred on Monday.

The minister said 77 people were treated for injuries including 22 who suffered minor injuries, 13 with serious injuries including one gunshot wound to the buttock and one critically injured with a basal skull fracture.

The deceased person died of a head injury while being transferred to Lorengau hospital.

 

 

 

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271 Comments leave one →
  1. February 18, 2014 11:20 am

    Sorry @billshortenmp, did you say something? No, didn’t think so…

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 18, 2014 11:23 am

    Australia?

  3. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2014 11:29 am

    PNG locals = Australia, silly.

  4. OzFenric permalink
    February 18, 2014 11:41 am

    Seems to me that if Morrison consistently refuses to provide any information about refugees and maritime arrivals, either Bill Shorten or Richard Marles (or both) ought to fill the gap with consistent informed comment. They probably have access to better information resources than most of us. Or is it just me?

  5. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2014 1:25 pm

    It should be mentioned that there was only one asylum seeker on Manus Island in 2007. And i guess he was there because he could not get a security clearance.

    Thanks to all the people who voted for Rudd in 2007 we now have 1,300.

    Seems to me that if Morrison consistently refuses to provide any information about refugees and maritime arrivals

    There have been no arrivals for the last 8 weeks.

  6. Meta permalink
    February 18, 2014 1:28 pm

    All true, Neil…

    At the same time, a spokesman from Mr Morrison told Fairfax Radio that any information about a second attack on Monday was ”completely untrue” and we should be ”more sceptical of stories coming from activists’‘.

  7. egg permalink
    February 18, 2014 1:30 pm

    ‘Bill Shorten or Richard Marles (or both) ought to fill the gap with consistent informed comment.’

    Make shit up.

  8. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 18, 2014 2:13 pm

    Refugee Action Coalition spokesman Ian Rintoul says the latest incident began with locals breaking into the centre.

    “The perimeter fences were breached by locals, the centre had already been evacuated, and PNG police and locals carried out systematic attacks, savage attacks on the asylum seekers last night,” he told ABC News Breakfast.

    “If there are asylum seekers outside the perimeter fence it’s because they’ve fled for their lives late last night from those attacks.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-18/one-dead-77-injured-in-manus-island-unrest/5265960

    If that is true, then there are some very serious problems at Manus

    Labor should never have followed the libs down this path. Both have let everyone involved down

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 18, 2014 2:33 pm

    It is a disgrace, the notion that innocent people can be locked up indefinitely without hope and without reacting shows a lack of understanding of human nature.

    There are a range of policies that should have been implemented before the outrageously punitive.

    The entire episode is a blight on the country.

    This provides a clear reason to return to informal voting, as the only decent option.

  10. egg permalink
    February 18, 2014 2:44 pm

    This is totally unanticipated and Abbott will have to act fast to remedy the situation or suffer the political consequences.

  11. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 18, 2014 2:56 pm

    This provides a clear reason to return to informal voting

    How will that help. Labor, Liberal and Greens have all failed us in this.

  12. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2014 2:57 pm

    The ABC is being a bit more cautious now, after jumping in at the deep end on the pipe-burning torture claims …

    CHRIS UHLMAN: Refugee advocate Ian Rintoul, speaking there to James Glenday.

    AM has not been able to independently verify the claims of Mr Rintoul, and the Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has declined repeated requests for further information or interview.

  13. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 18, 2014 3:05 pm

    In a functioning democracy, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison would resign over the Manus Island riot. This is a low point in a decade-long campaign of dehumanisation, writes Ben Eltham
    ………………..
    When asylum seekers waiting to be processed can actually be killed, it’s plain that Australia has failed in its most basic obligations to care for those under our charge. And the government continues to hide behind a cloak of “operational security”.

    https://newmatilda.com//2014/02/18/how-much-longer-will-madness-continue

  14. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2014 3:05 pm

    “I don’t know of anyone being shot, but people – one person we were told – was actually thrown off the first floor of one of the buildings.”

    The ABC has been unable to verify Mr Rintoul’s claims.

    Mr Morrison said the claims were “not correct” on the information he had been given.

    A man who said he was an asylum seeker at the Manus Island centre phoned the ABC last night saying shots were fired and most of the detainees had fled.

    He refused to give his name and the ABC has been unable to confirm his statement.

  15. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 18, 2014 3:06 pm

    after jumping in at the deep end on the pipe-burning torture claims …

    It’s funny, but every article I read at the time was clear about these being allegations, denied by the Navy.

  16. Meta permalink
    February 18, 2014 3:16 pm

    Yes, indeedy, it’s not a safety net, and it’s not a hammock, out there; it’s a nice, hot breakfast for ‘transferees’:

    “The centre will be able to resume operations, as it has this morning – breakfast has been served,” he [Morrison] said.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-18/one-dead-77-injured-in-manus-island-unrest/5265960

  17. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2014 3:21 pm

    “every article I read at the time was clear about these being allegations”

    Oh, really?

    TIM PALMER: New footage appears to back asylum seekers’ claims of mistreatment by the Australian Navy.

    The footage did no such thing. It was evidence that someone had burnt their hand. The who, what, where, when, how, and why of it were yet to be established.

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3929794.htm

  18. Tony permalink
    February 18, 2014 3:25 pm

    CHRIS UHLMANN: Refugee advocates say they have heard horrific claims about the incident on Manus Island.

    Ian Rintoul from the Refugee Action Coalition is not in Papua New Guinea, but he says he and other advocates received dozens of similar unconfirmed reports from asylum seekers and staff at the detention centre overnight.

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3946807.htm

  19. Walrus permalink
    February 18, 2014 3:43 pm

    “………A man who said he was an asylum seeker at the Manus Island centre phoned the ABC last night ………….”

    What the………………!

    Was he waiting to ask a question on QandA or somethin’ ?

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 18, 2014 3:49 pm

    “This is totally unanticipated…”

    Really? What do you think will happen if you lock people up without hope?

    This behaviour is entirely to be expected. There’s likely to be plenty more too.

    “How will that help.

    How will support for any of the alternatives help? Voting informal is the only reasonable option.

  21. Walrus permalink
    February 18, 2014 4:00 pm

    “………..must also blame the Coalition for deaths arising from Manus Island, no….?”

    Not necessarily.

    It was the ALP that reopened Manus.

    It was the ALP that awarded a fixed term contract to Serco (?) to run security from memory.

    It was the ALP that allowed Nauru to become so run down that necessitated the use of Manus.

    It was the ALP that relaxed the border protection laws in the first place.

    It was the ALP that enticed this asylum seeker to jump on a boat in the first place

    The LNP has inherited the entire disaster of our border protection.

    Unless you are going to blame the LNP for the GFC which was then inherited by the ALP I don’t see much of a parallel with a one off policy disaster that was the Pink Batts fiasco.

    That said Serco needs to be kicked up the arse over this lack of security.

    How the fuck did the Locals get into the joint ?

  22. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 18, 2014 4:03 pm

    The who, what, where, when, how, and why of it were yet to be established.

    True Tony, I agree with the fact that they failed to properly describe the events there. Which, as I mentioned recently, is not reason for the ABC to be broken up, but for it to apply to it’s charter.

    But, they are not alone with that, News Ltd (and Fairfax) make a living out of slanting stories. And, while it is depressing that Aunty has sunk to those levels, it is not as if this is a new thing. They have been failing like this for several years now.

  23. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 18, 2014 4:12 pm

    It was the ALP that reopened Manus.

    Much to their eternal shame.

    But, they didn’t go this far

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott has dismissed criticism of a decision to axe an independent committee that provides advice on the health needs of asylum seekers as “a complete beat-up”.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-16/coalition-disbands-immigration-health-advisory-group/5158084

    The Federal Government has dumped the Salvation Army as a long-term partner in providing services in offshore processing centres.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-13/salvos-dumped-from-offshore-processing-support-role/5155086

  24. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 18, 2014 4:15 pm

    It was the ALP that enticed this asylum seeker to jump on a boat in the first place

    I think if you want to lay blame, spread it around.

    “The message is going out loud and clear to the people smugglers and their clients and potential customers: the red carpet is being rolled out, there is a welcome mat waiting for you here in Australia.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-criticised-over-asylum-seeker-comments-20120217-1tcs7.html#ixzz2teDdrDTx

  25. February 18, 2014 4:42 pm

    “It was the ALP that reopened Manus.”

    True. But I don’t think any asylum seekers were shot at or killed under a Labor government…

    Scott Morrison has successfully achieved that all on his own.

  26. egg permalink
    February 18, 2014 4:51 pm

    ‘Really? What do you think will happen if you lock people up without hope?’

    Its important to get the facts, we haven’t got them yet. And a reminder, there are people wallowing in camps throughout SE Asia who also have Buckley’s chance of escaping from their hopeless situation.

    Abbott has drawn a line in the sand so that Australia has a regulated immigration system and not a free for all.

    Just for the record, it would be cheaper all round if we sent every asylum seekers back home with $100,000 in their pocket.

    Did you know that potential refugees have been departing Indonesia in large numbers since Abbott stopped the boats? I’m suggesting those who depart are frustrated economic migrants and the ones that remain are genuine refugees with nowhere to go.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2014 5:22 pm

    Did I comprehend correctly that the LOCAL residenst and Keystone Kops (believe me I ‘ve lived there!) attacked the compaound and killed/injured the asylum seekers but the people arrested were asylum seekers …

    I just don’t understand some comments above … like ToM’s?

    Really? What do you think will happen if you lock people up without hope?

    This behaviour is entirely to be expected. There’s likely to be plenty more too.

    The refugees/asylum seekers are probably better fed than the nationals …

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    February 18, 2014 5:25 pm

    Abbott has drawn a line in the sand so that Australia has a regulated immigration system and not a free for all.

    Probably a bad choice of words, egg … sounds like it WAS a free for all last night …

    Did you know that potential refugees have been departing Indonesia in large numbers since Abbott stopped the boats? I’m suggesting those who depart are frustrated economic migrants and the ones that remain are genuine refugees with nowhere to go.

    And your link for this gem of info? Or was it something “discussed” at the bar last night?

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 18, 2014 5:27 pm

    “True. But I don’t think any asylum seekers were shot at or killed under a Labor government…

    Since the ALP was in power the usual suspects were absent. But there were suicides. And who knows what was going on.

    http://www.voanews.com/content/high-suicide-rate-in-australian-detention-centers-worries-officials-126390043/167812.html

    Australia’s ombudsman has launched an inquiry into sharply rising rates of suicide and attempts at self-inflicted harm in the country’s overcrowded immigration detention centers……..Since the end of last year, five suicides have been recorded, including that of a Fijian man who leapt to his death from a roof at the Villawood detention center in Sydney.

    This problem had been solved but was restarted by the people who voted ALP/Greens in 2007.

  30. egg permalink
    February 18, 2014 5:42 pm

    ‘And your link for this gem of info? Or was it something “discussed” at the bar last night?’

    Think it was the Daily Terror, I’ll try and find it.

  31. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 18, 2014 5:54 pm

    We should bear in mind that the Labor government caused the deaths of over a thousand asylum seekers by reversing the Pacific Solution. There was no reason to do that at the time as there were virtually no boats coming. The only reason Rudd changed the policy was his own moral vanity (and that of those clamouring for the reversal of the Pacific solution).

  32. egg permalink
    February 18, 2014 5:57 pm

    ‘ASYLUM seekers awaiting passage to Australia have begun flooding back into Malaysia in the first independent confirmation that the federal government’s controversial boats policy has effectively closed our maritime borders.’

    Simon Benson / The Daily Telegraph

  33. egg permalink
    February 18, 2014 8:02 pm

    The PM is hitting the right note.

    “And the other thing I’ve got to say is: if you don’t want to be in immigration detention, don’t come illegally to Australia,” he said.

    “It is impossible not to feel sorry for people who want a better life and are living in a horrible country and I guess it’s good they think Australia is a beacon. We are a beacon of decency and generosity but we cannot allow people to take advantage of our generosity in this way.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/beds-smashed-as-asylum-seekers-on-manus-island-battle-with-guards-20140217-32vof.html#ixzz2tf8JyeNB

  34. February 18, 2014 8:16 pm

    ””’Sorry @billshortenmp, did you say something?””’

    Yeah, that actually sums it up good reb,

    the `duopoly` of hatred are both to blame for this shit, it`s not like PNG doesn`t have enough of it`s own problems, without Aust dumping more problems on`em.

  35. February 18, 2014 8:39 pm

    Indeed, Oh what a Teabag.

  36. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:48 am

    You would hope that this isn’t true

    Media reports say Australia is secretly funding a notorious paramilitary police unit in Papua New Guinea to guard the Manus Island detention centre.

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/08/04/02/00/secret-aust-funds-to-png-paras-report

  37. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:51 am

    Although, I just noticed the date on the article. Was it ceased? You would hope so.

  38. February 19, 2014 11:15 am

    Revealed: A massive privacy breach by the immi dept has exposed the personal details of 10,000 people in detention http://gu.com/p/3mpnt/tw

  39. February 19, 2014 12:50 pm

    Proven right: Manus whistleblower predicted in July 2013 that violent clashes would occur at the facility: http://ab.co/1c1GxTu

  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2014 1:27 pm

    Media reports say Australia is secretly funding a notorious paramilitary police unit in Papua New Guinea to guard the Manus Island detention centre.

    there is a coalition history with that sort of thing. Why don’t they do this stuff openly if they think they have support for it. Always the dirty secret schemes of armed violence and storm troopers. Their supporters have the gall to accuse ‘lefties’ of totalitarianism!

    farmers secretly training in dubai, rottweilers and balaclava clad thugs etc

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 19, 2014 1:31 pm

    august, 2013

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/australians-funding-pngs-feared-cops-20130803-2r65w.html

    Officers of the “Mobile Squad”, who just last month beat a local man to death on the island, are receiving a special living away allowance of about $100 a day out of funding provided by the department.
    The Australian funding is a handsome perk for members of the squad. The average local wage for security staff is about $1.50 an hour.
    The payment also represents a previously secret aspect to Australia’s ”PNG solution” of directing asylum seekers to PNG.

  42. February 19, 2014 2:33 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/three-years-ago-scott-morrison-feared-labors-malaysian-solution-would-see-refugees-beaten-now-worse-is-happening/story-fncynjr2-1226831526574

    Whodathunk that all of the clamour & faux concern displayed by the current government while they were in Opposition was just cynical politicking? 🙄

    Kinda like how, when in Opposition, they held multiple screeching press conferences per day pantywetting over every boat arrival…no, silence; and we’re all just supposed to trust that they’re ‘doing the right thing’.

    Slimy cnuts.

  43. February 19, 2014 2:34 pm

    * should read ‘now’, silence

  44. February 19, 2014 2:40 pm

    This stuff makes me really sad. The gravity of the misery surrounding this issue is enormous, the only partisan act is the politisisation of the whole thing… its a national disgrace. The longer it goes on the more souls are sucked into this vortex of blame ping pong. Its pathetically immoral. 😦

  45. February 19, 2014 3:01 pm

    ” its a national disgrace.”

    Indeed it is.

  46. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2014 3:05 pm

    “Whodathunk that all of the clamour & faux concern displayed by the current government while they were in Opposition was just cynical politicking

    In case you have forgotten in a burst of moral superiority and chest beating Labor overturned Howards Pacific Solution and created all this trouble. And anyone who voted Greens/ALP in 2007 is responsible for what has happened.

    OK lefties put a number on it. How many refugees should we take?? 10,000, 50,000, one million or twenty million??

    And who says worse is happening??? How many refugees died in detention centers from 2007-2013?? Nobody knows because nobody cared when Labor was in power. Now the Coalition is in power one death is news.

    You can tell Malcolm Farr votes Labor.

  47. February 19, 2014 3:07 pm

    “Last year the United Nation’s highest human rights tribunal found that Australia was illegally detaining the refugees, denying them judicial protection and the right to know the case against them, and treating them in a cruel, inhuman and degrading manner.

    The UN accepted that detention was making people mentally ill, destroying families and children, and was not necessary for security. Five of the refugees have even attempted suicide, by hanging, electrocution, poisoning, or cutting, too traumatised to go on. No one deserves to live like that, without hope, life ebbing away behind the razor wire.

    In total the UN found around 150 violations of international law. These laws were not imposed by foreigners, but were freely accepted by Australia as a party to an international treaty.

    In ignoring the UN deadline, the Abbott government has confirmed that it is a lawless enemy of liberty and fairness, in lock step with its Labor predecessor. Last week, both major parties also supported a bill to make ASIO security assessments even harder to challenge.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/manus-riots-confirm-australia-as-lawless-enemy-of-fairness-and-liberty-20140219-32z9g.html#ixzz2tjnJL8Ts

  48. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 19, 2014 3:13 pm

    It is a national disgrace and the failure of the government to explain what happened is also a disgrace.

    A much bigger national disgrace was the decision of the Rudd government which led to the quite foreseeable deaths of over a thousand people. Given how quick the Libs were to make this point we expect them to be very mindful of their duties to ensure the safety of asylum seekers in their custody. It is high time Morrison explained how this happened on his watch, what steps the government took, if any, to prevent this happening, and what he proposes to do about it.

  49. public toilet permalink
    February 19, 2014 3:51 pm

    You seem to pride yourself on one eyed ignorance sometimes, Neil.

  50. public toilet permalink
    February 19, 2014 3:53 pm

    I was drawing a legitimate comparison between Morrison’s behaviour prior & post election to government.

    It has fuck all to do with me having a ‘moral outburst’.

  51. public toilet permalink
    February 19, 2014 3:55 pm

    News.com made the same observation, are they too suffering a moral outburst?
    Mkay…

  52. February 19, 2014 5:27 pm

    no yours is a bigger disgrace…no yours is a bigger disgrace… no yours is… no yours is….

    abhorrently disgraceful 🙄

    Kneel loves this one because he get to prattle on with his hero worship of the Prime Miniature’s pacific solution, which we all know… contains no added humanity, must be applied liberally overboard, exploit unwitting members of the RAN, is 50% racism, 20% political opportunism, 20% bullshit and 10% one nation 🙄

  53. February 19, 2014 5:57 pm

    Neil’s capacity to perform unbiased analysis got stuck in neutral the day Howard got his arse handed to him in 2007, unfortunately.

    With that in mind, it becomes very simple to interpret Neil’s intellectual snail trail.

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2014 8:01 pm

    “contains no added humanity, must be applied liberally overboard, exploit unwitting members of the RAN, is 50% racism, 20% political opportunism, 20% bullshit and 10% one nation

    You forgot to add that despite its problems the Pacific Solution was still better than anything Labor has done.

    But i would like to know how many refugees do lefties think we should take. I notice greenoids get emotional about how we should be helping people but never say how many people we should be helping.

    10,000, 50,000, one million or twenty million refugees?? How many should we take??

    Boat people numbers were running at 40,000/year based on the months just before Labor lost office and increasing rapidly

  55. February 19, 2014 8:16 pm

    You forgot to add…….

    Yeah I did

    I notice greenoids get emotional……

    Congratulations on your new word, whatever that means 🙄

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:08 pm

    Since you changed to topic i can only assume you have lost the argument. Also i have gone over my download limit and am on dial-up so cannot watch the clip.

    Still yet to see a better policy than the Pacific Solution from the leftoids.

    Or after showing lots of emotion for asylum seekers getting an answer as to how many refugees we should take.

    5 million, 10 million or whatever??

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:16 pm

    Still yet to see a better policy than the Pacific Solution from the leftoids.

    Well the Abbott Government Policy has stopped the boats … apparently … not sure its “better” tho’ …

    And you have been told before (and with legal links provided) that the Pacific Solution would be pound illegal under International Law …

    Maybe someone will bring a lawsuit against the Government too … pretty soon … I believe there is a Russian group considering just that …

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:21 pm

    Pacific Solution is a little like democracy. Worst system possible except for all the others that have been tried.

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:42 pm

    Unless you are a genuine asylum seeker or refugee …

  60. February 19, 2014 9:46 pm

    is that burning cross you carry around heavy.?

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:53 pm

    Kneel has trouble seeing anything ’cause of the big white hood …

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 19, 2014 9:54 pm

    Still would like to know how many refugees do ALP supporters think we should take.

    Based on the monthly figures just before the last election we were getting 40,000 boat people/year and rapidly increasing.

    Do you think we should take all 50 million??

  63. February 19, 2014 10:37 pm

    Still would like to know how many refugees do ALP supporters think we should take.

    Ask one of those little greenoids you seem to have invented 🙂

    Kneel has trouble seeing anything ’cause of the big white hood …

    🙂

    Maybe someone will bring a lawsuit against the Government too … pretty soon

    http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/radio/program/pacific-beat/australias-nauru-detention-policy-under-legal-challenge/1261440

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:58 am

    oooh, things aren’t quite right!

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/personal-details-of-asylum-seekers-published-by-immigration-dept/5269464

    …Mr Morrison says the information was available for several days but it was not easily accessible.
    “I should stress this information was not put up with a ‘click here for people’s personal details’,” he told ABC News 24.
    “It was a link that could have been accessed with other software that would have to be downloaded. It wasn’t a very simple process to access this information.”

    say again???

    http://www.theguardian.com/help/insideguardian/2014/feb/19/asylum-seeker-data-breach-guardian-australia-responds-to-scott-morrison

    However there are a few points in the immigration minister’s statement which require a response.

    Morrison says the information was not “in an easily accessible format within the public domain”. Guardian Australia can confirm that the document was freely available for download from a public area of the department’s website, along with many other public files. The document and the data contained within it were straightforward to access.

    In his statement, Morrison reveals details about the document, including the date of its publication and the type of file. In a subsequent television interview, he named the document. Guardian Australia has not released the name or date of the document, to ensure no further breach of privacy…

  65. Sparta of Phoenix, AZ USA permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:01 am

    I am thoroughly convinced “the left” is chronically depressed and trying to commit slow suicide by design; taking us with them of course in the name of “whatever”…Good grief…

    “We Europeans do not have an obligation to destroy ourselves. Africans, Muslims and others are adults and should be able to fix their own problems. Moreover, Europe and the wider Western world simply don’t have the strength to fix all of the problems of Africa, the Islamic countries and the rest of the developing world, even if we wanted to. We constitute a rapidly shrinking part of the world’s population and economy. Moreover, we have plenty of unemployment, debt and other problems of our own to deal with.

    It’s nice to be kind and humanitarian, but the enormous migration waves we are currently facing are unprecedented in recorded human history, both in speed and in sheer numbers. At some point, the issue will no longer be about our humanitarian ideals or feeling good about ourselves. It will be about a fundamental question: Do we want something recognizable as European civilization to exist and flourish a century from now? If so, then the Utopian and dangerously naïve ideal of open borders simply cannot be sustained for much longer.”

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/fjordman/the-folly-of-open-borders/

  66. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:32 am

    Say what???

    Senior Libs now in ICAC sights:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/senior-libs-now-in-icac-sights/story-e6frgczx-1226830929844#

    TWO new Independent Commission Against Corruption inquiries threaten to embroil senior Liberal Party figures including federal Assistant Treasurer Arthur Sinodinos.

    Three sitting Liberals MPs have been named, including former minister and factional heavyweight Chris Hartcher, raising the possibility that the party will face the corruption nightmare the Labor Party has endured since ICAC started investigating the awarding of coal licences by former minister Ian Macdonald.

    We knew [when his name was first mentioned] that sinodinos had questions to answer, he quickly sold his shares in the hope of it blowing over for him. There’s been speculation that this ICAC inquiry is the reason sinodinos did not get a ministry.

  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:36 am

    If so, then the Utopian and dangerously naïve ideal of open borders simply cannot be sustained for much longer.”

    fine by me, pull up the moats but include global business in that. If we can have open borders for trade we should also have them for people.

  68. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 7:02 am

    ‘fine by me, pull up the moats but include global business in that. If we can have open borders for trade we should also have them for people.’

    Irrational thinking, kitty.

  69. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 7:13 am

    ‘Monthly applications for asylum-seeker registration handled by the UN High Commissioner for Refugees office in Jakarta — overwhelmingly the busiest in Indonesia — dropped 71 per cent between February 2013 and last month.’

    Alford and Nicholson / Oz

  70. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 7:35 am

    ‘Australian vessels entered Indonesian waters six times but in every case unintentionally, in breach of instructions and due to “miscalculations” of Indonesia’s boundaries by crews, a review of controversial incursions by the Australian navy and customs has found.’

    Taylor / Guardian

  71. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 8:52 am

    “Irrational thinking, kitty.”

    And economically stupid on so many levels. Imagine mass migrations of people to different nations hunting for the latest wealth stategy and those nations having to build vast infrastructure like schools, hospitals, highways, accomodation, to “civilise” them then off they go in a decade or so to another nation (where it all starts again) leaving behind massive amounts of now unused infrastructure, quickly decaying, but carrying greatly improved knowledge now lost to the nation that educated them.

    The idea of open borders is truly fucked.

    Keep them where they are and then develop their native land, provided they can stop fighting amongst themselves

  72. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:18 am

    but in every case unintentionally, in breach of instructions and due to “miscalculations” of Indonesia’s boundaries by crews

    Are we truly supposed to believe that our Navy don’t know where they are? I’d believe they were throwing their kids overboard before I believed that.

  73. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:18 am

    provided they can stop fighting amongst themselves

    I think that is the sticking point.

  74. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:20 am

    Really, how long will this guy be allowed to trash his Ministry

    In a remarkable further embarrassment, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison appears to have worsened the Department of Immigration’s data breach of information relating to asylum seekers by revealing exactly where the information was located, further exposing asylum seekers and their families to the potential for retribution.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/02/19/morrison-comments-compounds-immigration-data-breach/

  75. February 20, 2014 9:21 am

    Imagine mass migrations of people to different nations hunting for the latest wealth stategy

    Like Rupert 🙂

  76. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:22 am

  77. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:23 am

    Like Rupert 🙂

    Nice one Ricky. No wonder he flies then.

  78. OzFenric permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:54 am

    I cringe as I type these words…. but Neil of Sydney has a point. Australia cannot hope to resettle all of the *millions* of people in SE Asia who will be seeking a new home in the next couple of decades. SE Asia is like a sinking ship; the lifeboats can take only so many before they swamp and take everyone down with them. There needs to be control and limits over the intake Australia can approve.

    HOWEVER…

    Resettlement is not inevitably the same thing as protection. Australia has a moral and legal responsibility to accept refugees for protection and evaluation. With Christmas Island so (relatively) close to Indonesia, we can’t stop the arrivals in any humane manner, as the public are learning courtesy of Abbott’s navynazis. Our moral stance requires us to look after arrivals once they’re here – nothing we can do about that without taking the morally indefensible step of withdrawing from refugee protection agreements. This means that the circuit breaker should be at the resettlement stage. If we had something akin to Labor’s mooted “regional solution” it ought to be possible to control resettlement even if we can’t control arrivals.

    Seems to me that achieving this kind of outcome is critical now, before climate change and food insecurity begin to bite and produce the predicted millions of climate refugees. And yes… I am assuming that it’s too late to prevent this outcome.

  79. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:59 am

    Australia cannot hope to resettle all of the *millions* of people in SE Asia who will be seeking a new home in the next couple of decades.

    Where is the report indicating that they are all trying to get here? We had a boat land in WA not so long ago headed for NZ. We can, however, take many thousands more than we already do.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/09/06/sweden-grants-blanket-asylum-syrian-refugees

  80. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:05 am

    “We can, however, take many thousands more than we already do.”

    Yes we can provided they can be taken in in an orderly process.

    Last time I looked Syria is not art of SE Asia.

    In fact the entire Middle Eastern problem has a shitload to do with the English and the Europeans of the past. Let them look after the ME and Africa and the Pacific Rim can look after this part of the world.

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:10 am

    fine by me, pull up the moats but include global business in that. If we can have open borders for trade we should also have them for people.

    LOL! KL, I had very similar thoughts as I read that article …

    Borders do one thing and one thing only – control people … for the Robber Barons to pillage … nothing has changed …

    Irrational thinking, kitty.

    In your opinion … logical progression in ours …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Keep them where they are and then develop their native land, provided they can stop fighting amongst themselves

    Coming from a person who has travelled as much as yoy in third world countries that’s pretty sad.

    I’ve seen how many different people live in many different countries (and lived in a third world country for 12 months) … my perception is that human beings in general want to live in peace, particularly need clean water, have decent accomodation, food to survive, family and education for children, fun with friends and family and time to enjoy life.

    The wars and fighting you talk about are rooted in greed, corruption, government control and misguided power … whether democracy or dictatorship … and certainly an unbalanced society where 2% have everything and 98% struggle to survive …

    Why wouldn’t you want to be one of the 2% … and if you are – protect your spoils …

    And occasionally one of the 2% gets a guilty conscience … Bill Gates et al …

    The slave mentality is still alive and kicking … but the slave s do kick back … more and more …

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:13 am

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2013/dec/06/nauru-gallery

    It has to be asked but how come this information starts to come out now??

    No deaths in detention from 2007-2013??

    Could it be that “the left” is playing politics with this issue??

  83. February 20, 2014 10:24 am

    Kneel your mind is in detention 🙄

  84. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:29 am

    ‘Seems to me that achieving this kind of outcome is critical now, before climate change and food insecurity begin to bite and produce the predicted millions of climate refugees. And yes… I am assuming that it’s too late to prevent this outcome.’

    Hmmm ….

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:29 am

    With regard to bringing traditional disputes/wars/cultural clashes from home to here…

    Many years ago I was involved in some workplace issues. A well known company was experiencing a significant skilled labour shortage.

    They set about a large overseas recruitment program, and Ireland looked like the place to start, for many reasons- common language, ease of recognition of trade qualifications etc.

    In bringing hundreds of people (maybe a thousand) from Ireland they recruited a fair number with a very deep, enduring animosity towards one another. Generations of family scores to settle.

    There were always 2 unions covering the work, and each side of the conflict joined opposite unions. They continued their bitter feuds in the workplace, renewing hostilities at every opportunity. They sought to imposed demarcations, new inefficient rules, there was intimidation, threats.

    There was a complete unwillingness to leave the war in Ireland.

    Union officials were completely unable/unwilling to control it. They didn’t seem to mind some turf wars.

  86. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:29 am

    “… and certainly an unbalanced society where 2% have everything and 98% struggle to survive …”

    In all the Third World ??????????

    Got a Link ?

  87. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:31 am

    has a shitload to do with the English and the Europeans of the past

    Undoubtedly true. But, Australia played a starring role back then fighting for King and Country. We should play a starring role now, much like Sweden is currently doing. I also don’t agree with the premise (if that was implied, I’m not sure it was) that we can’t help even if we had no role whatsoever in the cause. We can always play a role in the solution imo

  88. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:32 am

    “There was a complete unwillingness to leave the war in Ireland.”

    Says a lot about TB and his mindless drone on about “catlicks” and “robber barrons”

  89. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:35 am

    There was a complete unwillingness to leave the war in Ireland.

    Perhaps immersion in a welcoming, friendly country would help erode those simmering tensions. There was time Australia resembled that.

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:42 am

    JJ, I said this occurred ‘many years ago’

    Tell me, when do you think the warm, welcoming period was?

  91. February 20, 2014 10:51 am

    Tom, I hear you there that hatred runs deep…but what the hell is an Australian union going to do about such entrenched attitudes? Same deal for Serbs and Cro’s…ect.

  92. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 10:59 am

    when do you think the warm, welcoming period was?

    Prior to 2001

  93. February 20, 2014 11:06 am

    love this one from Elie Wiesel…“No human race is superior; no religious faith is inferior. All collective judgments are wrong. Only racists make them”

  94. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 11:26 am

    Having ben there twice if you ever have the opportunity to go to Ireland don’t just hang around in the Dublin/Galway/Cork triangle of Cities and their surrounding satellite towns. The Cities of the Republic are very very friendly but in the countryside the old tensions run very deep.

    The same in the North when in both you DO NOT even touch upon the subject of Religion or the “Troubles” anywhere.

    You’ll always know what side the owner of a B&B is on as its very likely you will be confronted by either a picture of the Queen in the foyer (the North) or one of the current Pope (the South/Republic).

    In pubs (the North) it will either have a Union Jack on the wall or if its “Catholic” there will be a notable absence of a Union Jack but perhaps you’ll see a depiction of St Patrick somewhere.

    Just don’t mention the War/Religion

  95. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 11:41 am

    Ricky we are all out of Africa and racism has been part of the survival mechanism over eons of time. Of course in the 21st century its somewhat out of date, yet difficult to suppress.

  96. February 20, 2014 11:44 am

    “Just don’t mention the War/Religion”

    Now where’s the fun in that……?

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 20, 2014 11:58 am

    “Ricky we are all out of Africa and racism has been part of the survival mechanism over eons of time. Of course in the 21st century its somewhat out of date, yet difficult to suppress.”

    We need to start seeing humanity as one tribe. Which is why multiculturalism is fucked. It is all about recognising lots of tribes. Identity politics, where there are special rules for special groups, is a disaster waiting to happen – a new apartheid.

    Pinkers ‘better angels of our nature’ thesis at least provides grounds for hope in the documented decline in violence over the centuries.

  98. OzFenric permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:06 pm

    JJ 9:59am – currently the refugees by boat are not coming from SE Asia and indeed there are not millions trying to get here now. But when latitudes above, say, NSW become inhospitable for crops, you can bet they’ll be trying to get here. And even if only a small portion of the projected refugee population can find the resources to attempt a trip to Australia, my point is that the scale of the problem is going to rise exponentially, and Neil’s question of “how many do we take” will have far more validity than it does now, when we could easily absorb all boat arrivals without blinking. I stand by my position: the decisions and precedents we set now will go a long way to directing our response to the problem when it has become far worse.

  99. OzFenric permalink
    February 20, 2014 12:07 pm

    Edit: not *originating* in SE Asia.

  100. February 20, 2014 12:08 pm

    That’s quite true Egg..Its tribalism that’s connected to the reptilian brain, racism plays on the fears entrenched in reptilian brain based in survival instinctive behavioral thinking. Its quite simple to distinguish racists in the species, they have those less evolved grazes on their knuckles.

    “Just don’t mention the War/Religion”
    Now where’s the fun in that……?

  101. February 20, 2014 12:52 pm

    We need to start seeing humanity as one tribe. Which is why multiculturalism is fucked. It is all about recognising lots of tribes. Identity politics, where there are special rules for special groups, is a disaster waiting to happen – a new apartheid.

    What discounting genetic linage? That all sounds a bit totalitarian to me Splatter. Multiculturalism is has and will work as its about adaptability. This nation was built upon multiculturalism before the term was used in pulp culture. Integration and assimilation into the chosen geographic community is the issue. People should be encouraged to celebrate their ethnicity, but embraced under the chosen community they live. I have no time for people who come to Australia for a better life and bring their grievances, baggage and hatred with them.them. Thats not the fault of multiculturalism, that’s stupidity and ignorance.

  102. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:24 pm

    JJ – Prior to 2001

    …and my story was prior to that. Their mutual hatred had nothing to do with the local warm and fuzziness.

    Then they used union rivalry to continue their animosity.

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:29 pm

    I have no time for people who come to Australia for a better life and bring their grievances, baggage and hatred with them.them. Thats not the fault of multiculturalism, that’s stupidity and ignorance.

    Fully agree with that. A new place should be seen as a new start, get rid of all the stuff that made life so miserable that you wanted to leave. Embrace the new, change and grow.

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:40 pm

    Ricky we are all out of Africa and racism has been part of the survival mechanism over eons of time. Of course in the 21st century its somewhat out of date, yet difficult to suppress.

    In some, the neanderthal brain has not evolved over time and still sees any change in their life and surrounds as something fearful and reacts in fight or flight manner.

    It will be suppressed by natural evolution [darwin’s theory], these people will die out as the fitter, stronger and more capable/adaptable will become the new form of humanity.

    can’t wait.

  105. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:41 pm

    …and my story was prior to that. Their mutual hatred had nothing to do with the local warm and fuzziness.

    Many used to come here with lingering hatreds. It takes time, and a nurturing environment. Our nurturing environment (for what it was) evaporated around 2001

    What happened to these Irish Unionists? Are they still having their wars here? Or have they moved on?

  106. February 20, 2014 1:46 pm

    ” A new place should be seen as a new start, get rid of all the stuff that made life so miserable that you wanted to leave. “

    Agreed! So why is it that there are so many old Greek women wandering around morosely in head-to-toe black gear pushing shopping carts?

  107. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 1:54 pm

    So why is it that there are so many old Greek women wandering around morosely in head-to-toe black gear pushing shopping carts?

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2014 2:03 pm

    Agreed! So why is it that there are so many old Greek women wandering around morosely in head-to-toe black gear pushing shopping carts?

    greek or muslim?

    that is a combination of lack of education, religion, brainwashing, oppression, misogyny and patriarchy. There will be generational change.

  109. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 2:08 pm

    There will be generational change.

    Time has shown this to be true

  110. February 20, 2014 2:12 pm

    “Time has shown this to be true.”

    Agreed. Have you noticed how the chinkies have stopped spitting in public and weeing in lifts?

    And to think, this happened within my lifetime.

  111. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 2:15 pm

    There will be generational change.

    reb MacLeod?

  112. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 20, 2014 2:16 pm

    “Time has shown this to be true.”

    Although, like I said, we have regressed since 2001. Watching the soccer these days I think is testament to how far we haven’t come.

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 20, 2014 2:18 pm

    we seem to be having a ‘medicare debate’ diversion to get the immigration debacle off the front pages.

    i’m disgusted that I have not heard one person on either side of the debate advocating for universal healthcare as the system favoured by australians, rich or poor, our belief in all australians deserving of the same health care.

    universal healthcare has now become the safety net and everyone but the poor or needy must pay to feed the private rent seekers. Education and health have now been completely bastardised/privatised.

    I mourn.

  114. egg permalink
    February 20, 2014 2:21 pm

    ‘In some, the neanderthal brain has not evolved over time … ‘

    Much amusement.

  115. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2014 3:20 pm

    “We should play a starring role now, much like Sweden is currently doing.”

    How many refugees is Sweden taking?? And how many do you think we should take??

    Actually refugees do not bother me too much. I am more worried about skilled immigrants.

    And we used to take refugees from UNHCR camps until Rudd/Gillard abolished the Pacific Solution.

  116. February 20, 2014 3:47 pm

    Isnt it the confused creationists that have science degrees, not quite coming to terms with the catholic guilt thing who believe a massive helping hand of god bitch slapps the evolutionary chain along a few furlongs every so often?

    That would explain why the lift pissing knuckle grazed ethno golly hackers are now all wearing Ben Sherman hipster knock offs, growing beards and hating refo’s

    Oh Kneel give it a rest, Sweden, yeah yeah ..porn, tax evasion and no brunettes….Why don’t you pine for the Fjords instead of the pacific devolution FFS

  117. Walrus permalink
    February 20, 2014 3:57 pm

    “……. these people will die out as the fitter, stronger and more capable/adaptable will become the new form of humanity”

    So up here in Palm Beach I’m to become the the bedrock of future man-kind

    Excellent !

    And just how it should be and how I predicted it to become

    But what of my currently renting muscled up, tattoo stamped, gun running neighbour and his beach chick with the Southern Cross tattoo running from her neck to her waistline…………..what becomes of them ?

  118. February 20, 2014 5:39 pm

    ””’The idea of open borders is truly fucked.”””
    OH the blubbering.
    .
    ”””Keep them where they are and then develop their native land,””’
    EVEN after our colonial-powers and corporations have stripped their assets/wealth
    .
    ”””provided they can stop fighting amongst themselves”””
    THE fighting our teabag-occupiers started amongst them, so teabags could loot them.

    #BloodDiamonds

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 5:47 pm

    “There was a complete unwillingness to leave the war in Ireland.”

    Says a lot about TB and his mindless drone on about “catlicks” and “robber barrons”

    Oh, the irony …

    So, Wally, you’ve been to Ireland a couple of times and you still don’t get the funny side of your comment above? The Irish would …

    The Troubles are all about Robber Barons, catliks and (surprise, surprise) communists … check a bit more history rather than reading novels about MI5 and the PIRA … stated long before you and I were even a twinkle …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    We need to start seeing humanity as one tribe. Which is why multiculturalism is fucked. It is all about recognising lots of tribes. Identity politics, where there are special rules for special groups, is a disaster waiting to happen – a new apartheid.

    Well I certainly agree about THAT, sb!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Watching the soccer these days I think is testament to how far we haven’t come.

    JJ, you watch soccer these days?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    i’m disgusted that I have not heard one person on either side of the debate advocating for universal healthcare as the system favoured by australians, rich or poor, our belief in all australians deserving of the same health care.

    Its the same for any subject, KL …. its as if we don’t have an Opposition just a bunch of shiny arses warming the forset green leather and picking up the payslip every month … amatuers on both side and a pox on the house!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … growing beards …

    They have a lot of bother doing that, RP … apparently

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    But what of my currently renting muscled up, tattoo stamped, gun running neighbour and his beach chick with the Southern Cross tattoo running from her neck to her waistline…………..what becomes of them ?

    Maybe you should reconsider this sentence, Wally 😯

    So up here in Palm Beach I’m to become the the bedrock of future man-kind

  120. February 20, 2014 5:48 pm

    ””””””””””””i’m disgusted that I have not heard one person on either side of the debate advocating for universal healthcare as the system favoured by australians, rich or poor, our belief in all australians deserving of the same health care.””””””

    armchair l agree with your sentiments, but the duopoly are reading the road-map to Detroit, and disagree that they take `any` notice of what aussies want, nor care. l also disagree that the `sides` to the public-feeding of nonsense are actually largely different, they are not. The `core` is usually identical, while debate/sides is on `fringe` elements that really matter to nobody.

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 6:09 pm

    After reading that through about six times, tbag 🙄 I tend to agree

  122. February 20, 2014 6:36 pm

    “Disgusted” is pretty much my default position on everything.

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    February 20, 2014 7:52 pm

    “Disgusted”

    I can understand that … 🙂

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 20, 2014 9:02 pm

    Well you can’t please everybody but i guess the taxpayer is saving some money.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/drop-in-asylum-seeker-boat-arrivals-hits-charter-operators-bottom-line-20140220-333bo.html

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s mission to ‘stop the boats’ has taken a toll on airlines that once racked up big business flying intercepted asylum seekers across the region.

    Fly-in fly-out and charter operator Alliance Aviation Services is searching for new clients to offset a downturn in ad hoc charters from the Department of Immigration and Border Protection now that unauthorised boat arrivals are at a standstill.”

  125. egg permalink
    February 21, 2014 7:10 am

    ‘BOATLOADS of asylum-seekers who have failed to make it to Australia are being intercepted trying to return to Malaysia from Indonesia, says the head of Malaysia’s border command.

    ‘Mohd Amdan Kurish, director-general of the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency, said Australia’s crackdown on boatpeople was having a dramatic impact further up the people-smuggling chain, in Malaysia.’

    Oz

  126. egg permalink
    February 21, 2014 7:34 am

    ‘AS BLAME is exchanged on the Manus Island detention centre bloodbath, it has been claimed that the Iranian asylum seeker killed on Monday night may have been murdered by out-of-control guards who stomped his skull as he lay defenceless on the ground.’

    Toohey / Daily Terror

  127. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 8:15 am

    This is gut wrenching, abhorrent, and needs to change.

    To put it bluntly, in the face of overwhelming evidence that the PNG Solution is tantamount to human rights abuse, the Opposition are acting like cowards more intent on saving their own political skin than doing the right thing.
    http://thehoopla.com.au/eff-opposition/

    As Corrine goes on to say, without an “effing” Opposition, or a media, the Government will just keep on getting away with, well, murder.

    This is no “Team Australia” moment Labor, this is a policy, implemented by your lot, falling apart at the seams. Take it on the chin, and get about working on a solution, or voicing one anyway.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2014 10:27 am

    So we DO have a virtual dictatorship running Oz … the ALP are just a bunch of talking heads … oh wait – they don’t even fkn talk … and if they do its not as the Opposition …

    When you look back at how the Abbott led Opposition operated and how the ALP now operate … why bother having any elections at all …

    Even Clivey’s got personal problems (which we all knew anyway)

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/clive-palmer-ordered-to-pay-718983-in-legal-battle-over-golf-lease-at-coolum-resort/story-fnihsrf2-1226833119187

    Go Clivey!

  129. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 11:09 am

    When you look back at how the Abbott led Opposition operated and how the ALP now operate … why bother having any elections at all …

    Ignoring Immigration, which both/all parties have now completely failed at, the operation of oppositions is completely different, when comparing Abbott and Shorten.

    And, as I have pointed out before, not hearing about it, does not mean Shorten is not speaking. We have a very heavy media filter tuned into their message, which doesn’t allow the parties message to get out. Abbotts opposition played to it perfectly. It was all about colour and movement, even though their was no substance behind that colour and movement. Substance was too hard for the media to do, especially when Dr No was able to supply them with juicy movement day to day. If they had bothered to look, they would have seen the revolving door of three word slogans and the hollow emptiness of Carbon Tax and Waste, but then, that would have stopped their drip feed for the next day, and might mean they need to get of their collectives and actually look for a story.

    Suddenly, now, they have too. The lock-down of information by Morrison would have been manna from heaven to a true investigative outfit. It is clear that, with the Guardian, and now Fairfax getting back into investigative mode, this might not last forever, but their front-line will find this move to real journalism difficulty to say the least.

    Apart from Labors pathetically disgusting subservience to Immigration, there has been a deliberate and calculated move NOT to replicate Abbotts successful (but only with media compliance) Dr No opposition. I’ll file this under the “in case you missed it” section

    Under my leadership, Labor will be a constructive, alternative government that offers genuine policy choices, not simply empty criticism and three word slogans. Our policies will be driven by Labor values, and supported by hard evidence and the best science. I think this combination of principle and logic is evident in some of the reforms of the last six years.
    ………
    Our objective is to deliver the best outcome for everyone – not to score political points or slavishly follow a hardline ideology.

    He is also correct in his summation of the death of our automotive industry

  130. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 11:43 am

    The most hackneyed three word slogan is *three word slogans*.

    Every time you hear that phrase look up and you will see a kool-aid drinking lockstep lickspittle behind it.

  131. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 11:47 am

    How do you describe “Stop the Tax”, Stop the Boats”, “Stop the waste”

    Apart from a moronic dirge

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 11:53 am

    The seem like words of wisdom to me. Other people may differ, such as those who have never seen a tax they didn’t like, love to drown refugees and get a real tingle in their nether regions every time the national debt explodes.

  133. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:01 pm

    Sounds good JJ, shorten talks it up well and he is all so fine and urbane, a very nice polite and reasonable man who tries hard to hide his ambition. He always speaks as if he is interviewing for becoming PM one day [that’s his problem]. I’d like a bit of bovver boy, someone like albo getting into abbott and co. on occasion, he doesn’t have to be Dr No, but he could be james bond or a decent attack dog snarling and tearing at their trouser legs. Take the fight up to them and get people talking about the huge immigration mess that should have seen snott morrison hand in his resignation. Stop being nice but ineffective labor, get some mongrel, rattle them, take them on. let’s have more unrest and national upheaval, why should abbott have an easy political life.

  134. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:01 pm

    Except, the so called “tax” not only ha helped our environment, but didn’t cause barely a ripple, the “boats” are actually people fleeing from danger, and we are simply subjecting them now to more, and the “waste” was shown, well, not to be at all.

    Slogans they are, three words they are

    Three word slogans they are, empty, moronic, and repeated ad nauseum by our political leaders and their media puppets, until the reality is left well behind, and all we are left with is empty rhetoric.

    we are now witnessing the results of that rhetoric. And it is not pretty, because, now in Government, all they have left is their three word slogans.”it’s operational matters”, “No More Subsidies”,” Liberating your Jobs” and the most moronic, “The Best Friend”

  135. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:08 pm

    “the so called “tax” not only ha helped our environment”

    Really………….how much has the temperature changed since 1 July 2012 ?

    “…..the “boats” are actually people fleeing from danger, ”

    Really………….are there Death Squads roaming Indonesia these days ?

    “………..and the “waste” was shown, well, not to be at all………”

    Really………..I recall we were sending cheques for $900 to people permanently living overseas, installations of batts needing inspection, etc…..etc……..etc………

  136. Tony permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:11 pm

    “The `core` is usually identical, while debate/sides is on `fringe` elements that really matter to nobody.”

    True. Ideas come from the extremes, and are modified by the centre.

  137. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:15 pm

    .how much has the temperature changed since 1 July 2012 ?

    Are you really that moronic?

    are there Death Squads roaming Indonesia these days ?

    Apparently they are on Manus Island, under the command of Morrison

    I recall we were sending cheques for $900 to people permanently living overseas, installations of batts needing inspection

    Were those living overseas Australian citizens? The Insulation, for all it’s faults (mainly due to people breaking the law) has been shown to have been hugely beneficial in it’s impact on homes energy ratings.

    But, these are examples of three word slogans being used to hide the facts, and you just keep on pumping out the slogans.

  138. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:15 pm

    I’d like a bit of bovver boy, someone like albo getting into abbott and co.

    I would too armchair opinionator, but, I can see already how the media would be spinning it. Shorten and his little tanty, or his empty rhetoric. The media will not run shotgun for Shorten as they did Abbott. They will seek to belittle and mock him at any opportunity.

    It was interesting watching Dutton on the news last night, telling the assembled throng about how he shouldn’t be getting free visits to the Dr.

    I’m sorry, but when does someone on a wage like him get to visit the Dr for free? But, what stood out, was not his obvious lie to the reporters, but the simple nodding of heads and inane questions. Where was the reporter voicing their opposition to his statement. Most of them would be on high enough salaries to know that medicare does not cover all of their Dr’s visits. You need a Pension card or similar for that. But they just let it go through the keeper.

    I don’t recall a time when a Labor mister can get away with uttering nonsense unchallenged. Nor should they

  139. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:18 pm

    ” the so called “tax” not only helped our environment, but didn’t cause barely a ripple, the “boats” are actually people fleeing from danger, and we are simply subjecting them now to more, and the “waste” was shown, well, not to be at all.”

    What colour is the sky in your world? Obviously not blue.

  140. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:23 pm

    Obviously not blue.

    No, quite grey overhead at the moment. 🙂

  141. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:36 pm

    “Are you really that moronic?”

    No fuckwit………….you seem to be the only one holding that Crown with some pride obviously considering you like to remind us with the endless projectile vomit of bullshit that you repeat day after day.

    So how much has the temperature changed ?

    You are the one making these stupid claims

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:39 pm

    When you have the PNG and chinese govts criticising you on human rights and treatment of detainees, you must be stinking.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/manus-island-police-chief-slams-tony-abbott-20140220-334ch.html

  143. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:40 pm

    “Were those living overseas Australian citizens?”

    Some were and therein lies the stupidity of your comment.

    But you knew that because we have already well established you know yourself you are a fuckwit

  144. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:42 pm

    “…………and chinese govts criticising you on human rights and treatment of detainees”

    The Chinese who shoot people and send the family a bill for the bullett. Oh yeah their human rights record is something to hold high according to the Lunatic Left

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:42 pm

    how much has the temperature changed since 1 July 2012 ?

    you have obviously failed in the basics

    weather does not equal climate, something egg can’t get his scrambled head around either.

  146. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:43 pm

    <i"When you have the PNG and chinese govts criticising you on human rights and treatment of detainees, you must be stinking."

    You forgot to mention the Iranians!

  147. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:48 pm

    Oh yeah their human rights record is something to hold high according to the Lunatic Left

    are you completely dense?? thick as a brick for sure.

    When we can give countries like china and PNG, those who have abysmal human rights records, a reason to criticise us on human rights, there is something very very wrong with what we are doing.

    reading & comprehension does not seem to be your forte, red faced, spittle flecked screeching with smart arsed, idiotic abuse is though.

  148. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:50 pm

    So how much has the temperature changed ?

    You are the one making these stupid claims

    I’ll just let that sit and fester for a bit. It’ll be like a monument to future ironic postulation

  149. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 12:57 pm

    “I’ll just let that sit and fester for a bit. ”

    Yeah……….usual tactic for you…………just not answer the question

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2014 1:02 pm

    🙄

  151. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 1:05 pm

    “…..are you completely dense?? thick as a brick for sure.”

    I’ll leave that for you.

    For someone to take notice of China and PNG and compare it to our human rights records shows clearly a huge level of confected anger.

    The angles you take well……………..Its hilarious

  152. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 1:08 pm

    just not answer the question

    Perhaps that should go up with the other monument?

  153. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 1:16 pm

    For someone like China to be able to lecture us on human rights is quite an achievement.

    What has our Human Rights Commissioner said about all of this I wonder?

  154. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 1:23 pm

    Which ones smartarse………………..?

    Oh………being clinically stupid you obviously don’t know there are more than one

    http://www.humanrights.gov.au/about/president-commissioners

  155. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 1:26 pm

    Hopefully the Human Rights Commission will be all over this. At least they are demanding that the inquiry be independent.

    At the moment we are just getting a wall of silence.

  156. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 1:30 pm

    So much for Kitty’s comments…………….
    *********************************************************************
    Opposition foreign affairs spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek said it was a “bit rich” for the Iranian government to criticise Australia’s treatment of asylum seekers.

    But Ms Plibersek said: ”I think the reports [of violence on Manus Island] are very disturbing indeed and I think it’s important that there be a full investigation and that it is made public.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/inquiry-into-manus-island-violence-should-be-independent-says-human-rights-commission-20140219-32zna.html#ixzz2tv5xJddB

  157. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 1:47 pm

    It is always funny when the rusted-ons haven’t got the latest talking points.

  158. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2014 1:50 pm

    Yes and of course out they all come. After ignoring the plight of children in detention for 6 years from 2007-2013 they all of a sudden want another inquiry.

    http://www.sevozdowski.com/2014-02-03-kids-in-detention-new-ahrc-inquiry/

    Between 2002 and 2004 I as the Australian Human Rights Commissioner have conducted the first inquiry that resulted in a report ‘A Last Resort? National Inquiry into Children in Immigration Detention’ tabled in Parliament on the Budget day 2004………….In response the Howard Government released all children and their families from immigration detention few months later.
    Certainly the repetition of my inquiry is the highest form of flattery but timing is very odd. When the boats were arriving in large numbers and Labor was at its peak of cruelty towards the boat arrivals AHRC almost did not see the problem and the newly appointed Children Rights Commissioner was proclaiming that her jurisdiction is limited to domestic matters.”

  159. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 1:53 pm

    “It is always funny when the rusted-ons haven’t got the latest talking points.”

    Yes Splatter when they cant think of a good “look over there” comment they seem to have alot of “breaks” at very opportune times ………..for them that is.

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 2:02 pm

    I wondered why people so exercised by recent events in Manus Island weren’t raging against the ALP which adopted a policy resulting over a thousand deaths. Now we have a slightly different, but equally callous, take on it to Senator Rancid-Dung’s shit happens comment:

    The people who were drowning off those boats, off Christmas Island and so forth, which was horrendous and awful and nobody wanted to see, they were doing that sort of on their own watch, if you like.

    Funnily enough they didn’t take the same approach to the SIEV X tragedy.

    So there you have it – drownings under Howard – seething outrage and blame the government. Drownings under the ALP – not so much outrage because its their own fault. A single death in Manus – more seething outrage.

    It’s not that we should not be outraged about Manus and about the government’s lack of an explanation – we should. My point is about the selective outrage of the politically motivated.

  161. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 2:05 pm

    Walrus, it helps if you think for yourself rather than coming at every issue from the same far-left assumptions.

  162. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2014 2:08 pm

    So much for Kitty’s comments…………….

    How does that negate any of my comments?? Who mentioned iran anyway??

    A labor politician’s embarrassingly populist commentary does not mean I can’t have an opinion.

    The dark forces gather:
    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/the-ponds-boondoggling-spiv-of-week.html#.Uwa98fnSoWY

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 21, 2014 2:12 pm

    Walrus, it helps if you think for yourself…

    why change a lifelong habit of a garbage in, garbage out and all the way with the white shoe brigade!

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2014 2:14 pm

    🙄 🙄

  165. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 2:25 pm

    Which ones smartarse………………..?

    I would have thought it would have been obvious in the context of recent discussions, but I guess it wasn’t.

    So much for Kitty’s comments…………….

    Why does the ALP saying something mind-boggingly stupid and thoughtless make what “Kitty” said irrelevant?

    which adopted a policy resulting over a thousand deaths.

    How many of those do you want to attribute to our media and then opposition for falsely telling asylum seekers that we had a “red carpet” out for them? Pick a number, your big with them.

    The other difference is, we had had no direct interaction with those people before that. These problems now are happening after we have dealt with them. It is a flow resulting our direct interaction interaction with them. Who knows what would have happened had our current Government not sacked The Immigration Health Advisory Group. Perhaps they could have foreseen the event, and helped to stop it.

    This rubbish about “lefties” not caring before is pretty low. I think you should go back and see that many were not happy with Labor bowing down to the red-neck vote in all of this.

  166. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 2:35 pm

    What I did see was a lot of lefties cheering Rudd when he dismantled the Pacific Solution, even though he was warned of the drownings which followed. I have not seen any of that lot take any responsibility for that murderous display of hubris. No regrets, just “shit happens” or it was “on their own watch”. Utterly risible.

  167. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 2:45 pm

    D’ya think there might be an element of payback from China given Rudd, that masterful diplomat, went to China and publicly lectured them (in Mandarin) on their human rights record?

    And d’ya think PNG might also have in an interest in blaming Australia given that they are also looking bad as a result the recent troubles?

    The reason Australia is looking bad is not because of what other countries say, but because there is, at the very least, a prima facie case that it has not taken appropriate measures to care for refugees in its custody. Even worse the government is not providiing anything like an adequate explanation of what actually happened.

    This is the same lot that made much of how dangerous it would be to send refugees to Malaysia.

  168. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 2:49 pm

    “How many of those do you want to attribute to our media and then opposition for falsely telling asylum seekers that we had a “red carpet” out for them? Pick a number, your big with them.”

    All of them are directly attributable to the decision to abolish the Pacific Solution.

    That decision was based on pure hubris and nothing else. There was no problem to ‘solve’. It was all about making residents of the Lower North Shore and their ilk feel good about themselves.

    As is typical when leftists try to ‘solve’ a problem, especially a problem that doesn’t even exist, the result is diabolical, and in this case murderous.

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2014 3:09 pm

    🙄 😯 🙄

  170. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 3:18 pm

    I take three frowns is more emphatic than the two you used before?

  171. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 3:22 pm

    All of them are directly attributable to the decision to abolish the Pacific Solution.

    What, so all of the lies spouted by the opposition and media are directly attributable to the decision to abolish the Pacific Solution? It is now Labors fault that the Liberals can’t tell the truth?

  172. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 4:06 pm

    That is not what I said.

    It was Rudd that put the people smugglers back in business. There is no point blaming them for Labor’s actions.

  173. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 4:10 pm

    “What, so all of the lies spouted by the opposition and media are directly attributable to the decision to abolish the Pacific Solution? It is now Labors fault that the Liberals can’t tell the truth?”

    Well the Pacific Solution brought to our shores the unfortunate victim on Manus Island.

    He arrived in July 2013

  174. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 4:11 pm

    “That is not what I said.”

    Jerky Jibberer does tend to verbal people Splatter

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2014 4:20 pm

    😆 😆 😆

  176. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 4:28 pm

    Good to see you smile, TB. Have a good weekend. 😎

    You too, Wally.

  177. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 4:48 pm

    You too, Wally.

    What about me?

    😆 😆 😆

    (thanks TB)

  178. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 4:52 pm

    Sorry Jiggy, you have a good weekend too. Doesn’t Bolt’s TV show start this Sunday – that should be fun for you.

    I’ll be spending my time culling my vinyl collection from 5,000 to 500 records as a result of bargain I made to be allowed to have my big ugly speakers in the lounge room!

  179. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 4:58 pm

    have my big ugly speakers in the lounge room!

    Is Walrus and Neil coming over?

    Youse Alls have a good one too. Sorry, I might miss bolt, as I had already planned to (insert random activity here)

  180. armchair opionator permalink
    February 21, 2014 5:33 pm

    See you all later I’m already at work and hate posting from mobile.
    Quick – get out before Neil comes 😉

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    February 21, 2014 5:38 pm

    See ya KL.

  182. Walrus permalink
    February 21, 2014 5:43 pm

    “Is Walrus and Neil coming over?”

    ROFLMAO

    You can be funny sometimes Jerky Jibberer

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    February 21, 2014 7:18 pm

    The story was crap but I liked the ending … 😛

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2014 7:49 pm

    Jherek Jagged

    I am not sure you answered my question. You mentioned we could be taking a starring role like Sweden in taking refugees from Syria.

    How many refugees is Sweden taking??

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 21, 2014 9:56 pm

    Neil does a good job in maintaining a focus on inconsistent application of (moral or political) standards.

    He is quite dogged in his attention.

  186. egg permalink
    February 21, 2014 10:23 pm

    I go away for a day and find on my return everyone is being lovely to each other. What is wrong with you people…. this is guttertrash.

  187. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 11:02 pm

    He is quite dogged in his attention.

    But not very attentive with his attention

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/09/06/sweden-grants-blanket-asylum-syrian-refugees

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2014 11:12 pm

    Your link said this

    Since 2012, Sweden has taken in some 14,700 asylum seekers from Syria.”

    I would still like to know how many refugees Sweden is taking. I will give praise if Sweden is taking 100,000 refugees/year.

    I would just like to know the numbers. I do know from human nature, humans can say one thing and do another.

  189. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 21, 2014 11:14 pm

    I would just like to know the numbers.

    Well, since you had read the article, then you would realise how inane your question is. So why post it?

  190. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 21, 2014 11:29 pm

    Your article said this

    “Since 2012, Sweden has taken in some 14,700 asylum seekers from Syria.”

    That means 14,700/2 = 7,350/year.

    And if they are not taking refugees from anywhere else it does not seem so much.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2014 1:12 am

    http://www.posten.se/sv/Sidor/home.aspx

  192. egg permalink
    February 22, 2014 8:05 am

    ‘IF anyone thought an asylum-seeker riot at a remote offshore detention centre would fade quickly from sight and mind, they would have seriously misjudged the situation on Manus Island, as Papua New Guinea begins to shield its police and citizen-guards from the heavy-handed actions they took protecting Australia’s interests.’

    Paul Toohey / Daily Terror

  193. egg permalink
    February 22, 2014 8:44 am

    ‘So how much has the temperature changed ?’

    World temperatures have remained flat for 17 years.

  194. February 22, 2014 9:36 am

    see ya egg.

  195. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 10:24 am

    see ya egg.

    Is this ushering in the “age of enlightenment”?

    Something soppy to celebrate

  196. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    February 22, 2014 10:28 am

    see ya egg

    Perhaps just a brief sojourn?

  197. February 22, 2014 11:34 am

    Perhaps.

  198. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 12:46 pm

    Jherek Jagged
    February 22, 2014 10:24 am

    JJ, I loved that ad, it brought a tear to my eye to see such human kindness & compassion in action. Compare and contrast that to the new australian refugee NO WAY policy [which I couldn’t believe was actually on a govt. site, I thought it more appropriate to one of those right wing hate websites].

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/11/sweden-refugee-policy-sets-high-standard-2013112485613526863.html

  199. Tony permalink
    February 22, 2014 1:24 pm

    It appears there’s been a banning. I know egg (alone?) is barred from talking climate change on non-CC threads, but, the way I read it, egg was answering a question posed by another commenter.

    However, it’s reb’s blog, and his rules. Nice knowin’ ya, egg. 😦

  200. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 1:33 pm

    but, the way I read it, egg was answering a question posed by another commenter.

    The way I read it, he was extrapolating a statement and applying his own favourite rant to it. Again.

  201. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 1:47 pm

    Hopefully to offer some perspective for Neil

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_refugee_population

    Not sure how this will format, but here’s a go

    Country  &nbsp Total Population Refugee Population Natives per Refugee
    Australia    23,582,000    23,434    1006
    Sweden      9,292,359    86,615    107

    I also want to know how many times will Neil ask for specific numbers when he knows no specific number can be obtained. How many times? Exactly.

  202. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 2:33 pm

    “I also want to know how many times will Neil ask for specific numbers when he knows no specific number can be obtained”

    You were bellyaching that we should be more like Sweden. I just wanted to know how many refugees Sweden was taking.

    I have no problems with refugees. I think we should be taking more.

    By the way there is something wrong with that Australian number. We are taking 14K/year so in two years we would have 28K refugees.

  203. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 2:37 pm

    So, what was the number Neil?

  204. UNHCR Statistics permalink
    February 22, 2014 2:45 pm

    UNHCR Australia: http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/page?page=49e487af6
    Refugees 30,083
    Asylum Seekers 25,218
    Total Population of Concern 55,301
    Donor ranking per GDP: 16
    Donor ranking per capita: 12

    UNHCR Sweden: http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e48f056.html
    Refugees 92,872
    Asylum Seekers 16,911
    Total Population of Concern 119,570
    Donor ranking per GDP: 1
    Donor ranking per capita: 3

  205. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 3:21 pm

  206. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 3:29 pm

    And you wonder why i am such a strong Coalition supporter.

    Adam Bandt was a member of the Minority govt that put record numbers of people in detention. The ALP/Greens from 2007-2013 has the record for the number of asylum seekers locked up.

    There was one asylum seeker in detention on Manus Island in 2007

  207. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 4:10 pm

    There was one asylum seeker in detention on Manus Island in 2007

    How much did that cost us to keep him there neil? Something like $1.3 million for 6 mths??

    A few more items of interest this saturday:

    Alastair Furnival lobbied the Tasmanian government to secure taxpayer funds for chocolate maker Cadbury

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/alastair-furnival-lobbied-the-tasmanian-government-to-secure-taxpayer-funds-for-chocolate-maker-cadbury-20140220-334by.html#ixzz2u1SuP7Qi

    http://neilchenoweth.com/2013/07/25/four-men-go-into-a-room-with-a-3-billion-cheque/

  208. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 4:20 pm

    “How much did that cost us to keep him there neil? Something like $1.3 million for 6 mths?? ”

    I guess this one human being was in detention because ASIO would not give him a security clearance.

    The same would apply if a lot of Germans fled from Nazi Germany. I doubt if ASIO would give a Nazi a security clearance.

    The fact is there were less than 10 asylum seekers in detention in 2007.

    Thanks to YOUR vote in 2007 we now have record numbers of refugees locked up.

  209. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 4:41 pm

    I wonder if Hockey still thinks sending asylum seekers to Malaysia is worse than us “looking” after them? Will he cry again?

  210. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 4:46 pm

    I don’t htink we we have heard the last of Alastair Furnival armchair opinionator. Labor have indicated (well, spoken quite loudly, though you’d hardly know) about the many improprieties that appear to have happened in his short tenure. Truth will out, one would hope.

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2014 4:52 pm

    Perhaps just a brief sojourn?

    Well he is armless … 😉

    (how does he type? Ah, Dragon …)

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2014 5:01 pm

    In fact I find Kneels constant repetitive whining more aggravating than egg’s obsession …

    Can we do that same to him if he repaeats a dumb question more than three times, please, Blogmeaster …

  213. February 22, 2014 5:13 pm

    armchair, this seems to show,

    Ninety-five per cent of the more than 2.2 million people who have left Syria and applied for asylum with UNHCR have stayed in the region, putting an unprecedented strain on infrastructure and services in Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/11/sweden-refugee-policy-sets-high-standard-2013112485613526863.html

    that our zombies boat-people `hate` is blown right out of proportion too. l have heard these type high proportions before, (95% from aj post) don`t move to the other side of the planet, but usually the closer `safe` neighbors. Sweden seems to have managed to keep their unemployment low AND keep their humanitarian commitments. Our dumb fcuks on both sides think it is one-or-other.

  214. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 5:20 pm

    Sweden seems to have managed to keep their unemployment low

    I recall reading recently that it was at 8.5%. They have a highly skilled economy and are ill equipped for low skilled workers. This hasn’t stopped them from doing the right thing.

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 5:29 pm

    “Ninety-five per cent of the more than 2.2 million people who have left Syria and applied for asylum with UNHCR have stayed in the region,

    OK. lets take all 2.2 million.

    Would any leftoid have any problem with this??

  216. February 22, 2014 5:54 pm

    ”””””””””
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/ray-hadleys-wife-withdraws-apprehended-violence-order-application-20140221-336z9.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn%3Atwi-13omn1677-edtrl-other%3Annn-17%2F02%2F2014-edtrs_socialshare-all-nnn-nnn-vars-o%26sa%3DD%26usg%3DALhdy28zsr6qiq
    ”””””””””
    After a hard day at the station, championing causes for the public and abusing overpaid, talentless managers and producers, of course a man needs to return home and beat his wife. That`s what she`s there for, and cooking and sex.

    Anyway, you all know she was asking for it.

  217. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 6:05 pm

    “I wonder if Hockey still thinks sending asylum seekers to Malaysia is worse than us “looking” after them?

    You evil and immoral deadbeat. We are only “looking after them” because the ALP locked them up.

    Our detention centers were empty in 2007 until YOU voted for Rudd/ALP

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 6:39 pm

    The same would apply if a lot of Germans fled from Nazi Germany. I doubt if ASIO would give a Nazi a security clearance.

    Oh, they did and they have. Fascism and the liberals go together like pigs & muck. A lot of nazi war criminals did flee germany and they were made very welcome here. The liberals have well documented nazi connections.

    Google Lyenko Urbanchich,

    Ardent Nazi took Liberal to extremes:
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/obituaries/ardent-nazi-took-liberal-to-extremes/2006/03/03/1141191845008.html

    …THE passing of Lyenko Urbanchich ends the almost 70-year political career of the man who invented ethnic branch stacking in Australia. He was also the last, and most powerful, of the central and eastern European Nazi collaborators and war criminals who infiltrated the Liberal Party from the 1950s and coalesced with Australian rightists to form the “Uglies” faction…

    john howard’s father was a member of the fascist vigilante organisation, the New Guard of the 1930s
    http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs183.aspx

    then there’s menzies:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/mps-claim-menzies-was-a-nazi-sympathiser-refuted-by-liberals/story-fn59niix-1226562178102#

    http://www.theguardian.com/news/2001/nov/12/guardianobituaries.warcrimes

    and history:

    Scores of ex Nazis call Australia Home:
    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=336&dat=20000306&id=uPZHAAAAIBAJ&sjid=-u0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6884,2719136

    Australia as “last bastion for the Aryan race”
    http://indymedia.org.au/2011/03/30/australia-as-%E2%80%9Clast-bastion-for-the-aryan-race%E2%80%9D

  219. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 6:46 pm

    reb, if you happen to be passing by, would you mind collecting my reply to neil from the spaminator please. I think it has too many links.

    I’ll post it in halves actually and see if it gets accepted.

    The same would apply if a lot of Germans fled from Nazi Germany. I doubt if ASIO would give a Nazi a security clearance.

    Oh, they did and they have. Fascism and the liberals go together like pigs & muck. A lot of nazi war criminals did flee germany and they were made very welcome here. The liberals have well documented nazi connections.

    Google Lyenko Urbanchich,

    Ardent Nazi took Liberal to extremes:
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/obituaries/ardent-nazi-took-liberal-to-extremes/2006/03/03/1141191845008.html

    …THE passing of Lyenko Urbanchich ends the almost 70-year political career of the man who invented ethnic branch stacking in Australia. He was also the last, and most powerful, of the central and eastern European Nazi collaborators and war criminals who infiltrated the Liberal Party from the 1950s and coalesced with Australian rightists to form the “Uglies” faction…

    john howard’s father was a member of the fascist vigilante organisation, the New Guard of the 1930s
    http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs183.aspx

  220. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 6:51 pm

    “Oh, they did and they have. Fascism and the liberals go together like pigs & muck. A lot of nazi war criminals did flee germany and they were made very welcome here. The liberals have well documented nazi connections.

    OK if you are correct it means we have lots war criminals here.

    What is therefore wrong with locking asylum seekers up until we find out what they have been up to??

  221. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 6:57 pm

    Our detention centers were empty in 2007 until YOU voted for Rudd/ALP

    Since you’re in the mood to delve into the statistics neil, how much do you reckon the entire off-shore processing ‘solution’ has cost the taxpayers of this nation?

    How many billions by now?

    How much has mandatory detention [since 1989] cost the taxpayer?

  222. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 6:59 pm

    We are only “looking after them” because the ALP locked them up.

    Well “we” are not looking after them, we are Killing them. Stop blaming others. Labor are not in charge, the Liberals are, and this happened under their watch. As I mentioned earlier, Abbott disbanded the Immigration Health Advisory Group, who quite possibly could have headed this off before it reached this stage.

  223. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 7:02 pm

    “Since you’re in the mood to delve into the statistics neil, how much do you reckon the entire off-shore processing ‘solution’ has cost the taxpayers of this nation?”

    That is easy to answer. When Howard got his act together and stopped the boats we were spending $80M/year on our asylum seeker program.

    Under ALP/Greens we were spending greater than $1B/year.

    We have waste at least six billion dollars because you, TB, Reb, Toilet, Teabag, JJ et al voted for Rudd in 2007.

    But in 2007 we still took 13,750 refugees. But they were from UNHCR camps.

  224. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 7:07 pm

    Our detention centers were empty in 2007 until YOU voted for Rudd/ALP

    I need to correct your error, I did not vote for rudd.

  225. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 7:08 pm

    Our detention centers were empty in 2007 until YOU voted for Rudd/ALP

    And the Liberals and their media started advertising falsely that our “welcome mat” was out. They were the worlds biggest advertisement for people smugglers. Now they are the people smugglers

  226. February 22, 2014 7:09 pm

    hey armchair, you left out teh-catlicks running the nazi underground railway from nazi europe late 1940`s, destination south america,

    #yay.for.dog

  227. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 7:25 pm

    sorry dead teabag, there’s been too many examples of the establishment collaborating with the nazis for me to think of all!

  228. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 7:28 pm

    But in 2007 we still took 13,750 refugees. But they were from UNHCR camps.

    Perhaps Neil also needs to be reminded of the difference between a refugee and asylum seeker?

    https://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm

  229. February 22, 2014 7:29 pm

    teh new guard movement,
    looks like it was a nice fascist training ground with it`s military aspect,

    fertile grounds for an up-and-coming young teabag looking for a career in `one-nation`, `club-barnaby` or `teh-Libralz`.

  230. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 7:36 pm

    That is easy to answer. When Howard got his act together and stopped the boats we were spending $80M/year on our asylum seeker program.

    Very deceptive and selective neil – how much did howard spend on his ‘solution’?

  231. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 7:41 pm

    FYI – the ASRC says the cost of the pacific solution between 2001 and 2007 was more than $1 billion.

  232. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 7:41 pm

    I cannot believe you people. Actually i can.

    We are now spending $1B/year more than we did under Howard

    “Very deceptive and selective neil – how much did howard spend on his ‘solution’
    ?”

    Why don’t you tell me.

    Let us hope PM Abbott get us back to taking refugees from UNHCR camps.

  233. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 22, 2014 7:48 pm

    The UNHCR found that the detention of asylum seekers on the island is in breach of international law and that the harsh conditions are below international standards.

    Under international law, the Australian government has a responsibility to ensure that when it transfers people to other countries there are adequate safeguards to protect the rights of people in those countries. To the extent that it is responsible for the detention of those people in those countries, it has an obligation to ensure they are treated humanely and protected from threats to their physical safety.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/we-cant-outsource-our-moral-obligations-to-these-people-20140221-337jn.html#ixzz2u2TVcxKU

    They would have been better off in Malaysia

  234. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 7:53 pm

    [i]”They would have been better off in Malaysia”[/i]

    If John Howard was in power they would not have been here.

    It was the ALP/Greens/AO/JJ/Toilet/TB/Reb who locked them up.

    By the way, how many refugees should we take??

    Do you think we should have a quota system or take all 50 million refugees??

  235. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 8:09 pm

    Oh, let’s be like sweden, let’s think of desperate human beings and take in unlimited refugees! 🙂

    Will white australia cope? or will we have a new national guard being formed quick smart – oh it’s still here, it’s called the liberal national party!

  236. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 8:19 pm

    I don’t think Sweden is taking in unlimited numbers. They are taking more than us however.

    What i find really strange is that the people who think we are destroying the planet want more refugees.

    Bob Brown and Sarah Hanson-Young if they had absolute power would want to kill 1-2 billion people.

    According to the greens humans are a pest destroying the planet.

    If the Greens were in power the extermination plants would be working 24/7.

    If the Greens want more immigrants they have another motive for this.

  237. February 22, 2014 8:20 pm

    ””we were spending $80M/year on our asylum seeker program.””
    +
    ””cost of the pacific solution between 2001 and 2007 was more than $1 billion.””
    +
    kneel””’We are now spending $1B/year””
    .
    .
    l hate to say it but l think kneel is the closest,

    l`m pretty sure since we started outsourcing `our` bastardizing of boat-people, we have been tossing over a billion$-pa taxpayer$ on the bonfire.

    l got better things to do with the cash than keep tossin`it on the bonfire.

  238. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 8:29 pm

    “””cost of the pacific solution between 2001 and 2007 was more than $1 billion

    Selective figures you deadbeat.

    And how much were we spending when Howard had less than 10 people in detention??

  239. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 8:34 pm

    what $ value is put on the cost to people? the physical, mental and emotional wellbeing of asylum seekers already traumatised by war and persecution. What is the cost of reducing someone to a gibbering wreck in gulag conditions and then having to pay compensation for the harm done after ensuring they will never again be a fully functioning person [perhaps that is the intention].

  240. February 22, 2014 8:41 pm

    ””’Selective figures you deadbeat.”””

    still in fcuking imbecile mode l see kneel,

    you might like to know your abuse-troll antics is at a quote of armchairs, and you kneel, agreed with

  241. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 8:45 pm

    still in fcuking imbecile mode l see kneel,”

    You quoted figured from 2001-2007.

    How much were we spending from 2005-2007 when Howard stopped the boats??

  242. February 22, 2014 8:47 pm

    ””what $ value is put on the cost to people?””

    my bet is Sweden is `processing/imagrating` it`s approx-double refugees at fraction-per-head, compared to full-throttle $-waste Aust aimed at boatpeople

  243. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 22, 2014 8:56 pm

    and again for the slow learners [from a different source this time]

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3886792.html

    …If Tony Abbott picks up the phone to speak to the president of Nauru, as he says he would if he became prime minister, he should remind himself that if he wants to get the budget back into surplus the Nauru and Manus solution cost the Howard government $1 billion over five years.
    Yet after years of cruel punishment on Nauru, all but 45 of the 1,637 asylum seekers incarcerated in Nauru who were found to be refugees gained residence in Australia or New Zealand…

    Tim Wilson says Morrison response to asylum seeker data breach ‘undesirable’:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/21/tim-wilson-morrison-response-asylum-seeker-data-breach-undesirable

    Well timmy’s really coming down hard on the govt over their huge privacy breach. My goodness!
    “It would seem to be undesirable that the immigration minister has made that information public, which may confirm to people what the … information [was] that was publically available,” Wilson told Guardian Australia…

    harrimike99 TonyPantsonFire
    21 February 2014 9:24am
    It would seem to be undesirable
    IPA research fellow now HR commissioner is not sure about it, as he says above. Not sure that the privacy breach is was an appalling breach of privacy. He seems to think it was undesirable though. IPA, you’re on a winner here.

    mintslice
    21 February 2014 7:30am
    strong words. he’ll be ‘disappointed’ next

    DoomGlitter
    21 February 2014 6:25am
    “undesirable”… now…??
    was “very serious” breach before of sensitive material.. but all of a sudden … Tim’s right wing conservatism kicked, presumably form his master, Mein Fuhrer, Herr Abbott, who appointed him..
    ..and now it’s undesirable.

  244. February 22, 2014 9:57 pm

    ””’still in fcuking imbecile mode l see kneel,””’
    correct,
    .
    .
    ””’You quoted figured from 2001-2007”””
    no, l `re-quoted` what was already on thread,
    .
    your stupidy is tiresome kneel,
    you don`t seem to understand that l consider `all` the taxpayer cash burnt to bastardize boat-people a `massive` waste, and l don`t care about the left/right arguments, or under which regime the waste occurred,

    WASTE IS WASTE, AND BOTH SIDES ARE WASTING

  245. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 10:05 pm

    “WASTE IS WASTE, AND BOTH SIDES ARE WASTING

    No.

    Apparently we were spending $80M/year in 2007 taking in 13,750 refugees from UNHCR camps.

    That is until you voted for Rudd in 2007. I think we were spending > $1B/year under Labor

  246. February 22, 2014 10:22 pm

    ””’WASTE IS WASTE, AND BOTH SIDES ARE WASTING”””
    ”””No.”””
    WRONG. YES. Once the cash is wasted, it is gone.
    .
    .
    ”””’That is until you voted for Rudd in 2007.””””
    WRONG AGAIN.

    You continue to show your stupidity kneel, by `pretending` you actually know how somebody voted. You aren`t even fcuking bright enough to realize some of us have a long-term dislike of the Lib/Lab DUOPOLY. As one of those duopoly dislike`rs, l have voted DONKEY way fcuking more than actually FOR anybody.

    2007, like most other federal elections, l went `donkey`, when l haven`t gone `donkey`, l went independent.

    Good-bye kneel, your stupid is too fcuking boring.

  247. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 22, 2014 10:29 pm

    We were not wasting money in 2007.

    We were taking 13,750 refugees from UNHCR camps.

    That is until you voted against John Howard in 2007.

  248. TB Queensland permalink
    February 22, 2014 11:24 pm

    That is until you voted against John Howard in 2007.

    So you were the only Dickhead that didn’t … the man was a LIER ….

  249. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2014 12:37 am

    “So you were the only Dickhead that didn’t”

    Yes i voted for Howard.

    Because you voted for Rudd we have had tens of thousands of refugees from UNHCR camps denied a place in Australia.

    These people have been replaced by economic immigrants. The lives of tens of thousands of people have been destroyed by you.

    And you do not care.

  250. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 23, 2014 7:19 am

    These people have been replaced by economic immigrants

    Actually, if they are found to be economic migrants, they are not granted asylum Neil.

    How much do you think that the media and Liberals shouting out, incorrectly, that we have the “welcome mat” out impacted on the flow of boats?

    To me, that was the biggest draw-card here, false messages given out about the ease of getting here, and the “welcome baskets” that you receive when you arrive.

    You want to blame those earlier deaths on someone, share the burden where it belongs.

  251. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 10:40 am

    Because you voted for Rudd …

    Wrong, I voted to get rid of Howard …

    The lives of tens of thousands of people have been destroyed by you.

    Me – personally … how does your twisted, insulting little mind work?

    And you do not care.

    So, you can read my feelings now … tell me just what is my stand on refugees and asylum seekers … MY STAND … not, you voted and Rudd made a decision. crap …

    Clue: If you have ever read my comments AND comprehended them, I have stated my preference a number of times over a number of years …

    If you don’t know, it proves you simply make shite up …

  252. February 23, 2014 10:45 am

    This dill isn`t as bright as an irc chat-bot, way too fcuking boring.

  253. Neil of Sydney permalink
    February 23, 2014 3:10 pm

    “Actually, if they are found to be economic migrants, they are not granted asylum Neil.

    Even Bob Carr says they are economic immigrants.

    The ALP set up a system in 2008 where people smugglers could make money selling our 13,750 humanitarian places.

  254. Meta permalink
    February 23, 2014 3:27 pm

    (Would a (virtual or actual) slave be an economic migrant? Or an untouchable caste member? Or any other kind of deemed-undesirable population relegated to an inferior position in society and systemically discriminated against, even unto denial of basic needs? ‘Coz that’s how humans tend to think and classify each other within a society, and to hand out differential treatment, economically- and socially-speaking. And, I’m assuming that Neil’s sophisticated moral calculus is okay with that; there just being no genuine ‘economic’ refugees remotely considerable.)

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 3:31 pm

    Actually, if they are found to be economic migrants, they are not granted asylum Neil.”

    fkn read what people write!

    Actually, if they are found to be economic migrants, they are not granted asylum Neil.”

    Only refugees, asylum seekers and legal immigrants are legally accepted …

    Read this GOVERNMENT document

    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts

    The document above is in my Favourites list …

    Ask any more stupid questions you will be immediately referred to it!

    Now PLEASE read it, ABSORB the contents and check it before asking any more questions about the subject … and it affects all Poles and Russians and particularly scientists … 🙄

  256. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 23, 2014 3:39 pm

    I’m guessing the above is directed at Neil TB?

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 4:50 pm

    Yes, JJ, apologies … but pissed off I get when the Empire</del. Kneel hold's forth with BS …

  258. Jherek Jagged permalink
    February 23, 2014 5:01 pm

    I thought/hoped that was what you meant TB, but was in a paranoid state of mind at the time. I thought what I posted made sense. It did to me 🙂

  259. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2014 6:38 pm

    thanks meta, just because people have money doesn’t mean they don’t need asylum. What if they are persecuted in their own country, a minority group.

    What about a political dissenter, say a businessman or professional who has money but has been actively working against his government and is on their hit list. If he’s found by the government/police/army he will go to jail forever or just be shot. He can’t get papers or ID from anywhere or he gives himself away and his family are very vulnerable to harm.

    Does he/she not deserve to come her without being seen as an ‘economic’ migrant?

    To me, that is what asylum is all about, the need for a safe haven and some humancompassion.

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 7:31 pm

    I thought what I posted made sense. It did to me

    Hate to rain on yer parade, JJ, but Kneel thinks the same … 🙄

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 7:34 pm

    KL, from my link above …

    The definition of ‘refugee’ does not cover other individuals or groups of people who leave their country only because of war or other civil disturbance, famine, natural disasters or in order to seek a better life. As the UNHCR explains:

    Economic migrants normally leave a country voluntarily to seek a better life. Should they elect to return home, they would continue to receive the protection of their government. Refugees flee because of the threat of persecution and cannot return safely to their homes in the prevailing circumstances.

  262. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2014 8:16 pm

    yes TB, I see that

    It doesn’t stop people like neil claiming that anyone who can afford to pay a people smuggler is not a true AS.
    In their eyes, a true AS has to be penniless, destitute and begging in the streets. That’s not so, a [comparatively] wealthy person may need to claim asylum and still not be in a position to obtain & provide required ‘papers’

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 8:25 pm

    Kl. I get that too … I remember some of our first refugee “boat people” (from VN) who had covered themselves with gold leaf …

    The other thing that annoys me with the propaganda is that refugees coming to Australia is not a new phenomena … over and above all that is the fact that Australians (who somehow are no longer astute) are so gullible to the LibNit BS!

    And the “game” continues … telling people that “the ALP does this” and “the ALP does that” … when in fact the LibNits are the ones actually doing it … astounding stuff … and aI concede, if people are so gullible … very politically clever … a close member of my family got all – “the ALP don’t have a clue … the Libs are the only ones who know what to do” … it’s intersting watching the realisation … and the understanding that they are all Dickheads™!

  264. armchair opinionator permalink
    February 23, 2014 8:48 pm

    abbott is blustering away, refusing to take any responsibility himself or for scott morrison, he brushes away the policy failures and minimises the death of a young man to say

    “The important thing is, you don’t want a wimp running border protection, you want someone who is strong, who is decent and Scott Morrison is both strong and decent.”

    So tired of abbott refusing to accept any responsibility or criticism of his governments policies, won’t answer the media questions, just basically says, oh well…shit happens, “but the important thing for you to remember is…”spin, spin, quick, look over there and no questions asked.

  265. TB Queensland permalink
    February 23, 2014 8:53 pm

    More like … “someone who is strong, who is dented and Scott Morrison is both strong and dented.”

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