Rostrum: Extreme Wingnut Edition

Race relations are complex and racism is probably natural.

l see ya`mis-using that photo of Snacky at the `save-pell` rally reb.

Very amusing TB, so what was the most profound thing that happened to you overseas?

Must get me one o’ them there hats.

You’re welcome.

Yes

It’s a First World problem

Now that’s not nice

You must suffer from small dog syndrome ?

LOL

I’m telling ya these 2 start snoring as soon as the temp goes below 22

It’s fucking weird

Walrus put the dogs on a vegan diet, it works in humans apparently.

There is plenty of reporting of union related corruption in preparation for the royal commission.

The hearings should be a hoot!

Plenty of focus on Gillard & Shorten.

Union officials who will look good will be Ged Kearney & Dave Oliver of the ACTU, both as clean as a whistle.

Comparing the situation with Vlad, with Adolf is little bit bullshit and quite shallow.

Teh-Allies (Britain and France) did all the could to destabilize the German King and have his people over-throw him, post-ww1. Teh-Allies were successful. Teh-Allies got Adolph.

None of this applies to teh-usa or Vlad in 2014.

ln a fictional scenario 2, Vlad could have just walked away, leaving an imploding nuclear Ukraine to demise by its own hand, and Chechan Muslim terrorists to move in and help themselves to nuclear material and weapons.

Teh-usa would wail about Vlad, no matter `which` action Vlad did/didn`t take. And like many things, there is probably no `good` answer, just choices between `bad` and less-bad.

better wording

Teh-Allies (Britain and France) did all the could to destabilize the German King/Govt, the King strill had influence in the backgroung and have his people over-throw him/Govt, post-ww1. With excessive `sanctions` against Germany, strangling it from commerce with `trade-restrictions`, starving it from raw materials, and the over-bearing compensation repayments paid from Germany to Teh-Allies.

#Treaty of Ver-sigh idiot

The period 1918(ww1-end) to 1938(annex-austria) are very interesting, and Teh-Allies-Spooks were very busy, and well budgeted running destructive operations within Germany. #astroturfing

Teh-Allies were successful. Teh-Allies got Adolph.

Teh-Allies were more than happy to give away the arabs land

So that’s what happened. The middle east simplified.

(I’d been under the misunderstanding that Jews had been about in that part of the world for quite some time too.

”””if there is a third Anti-Christ his name is surely Vladimir Putin”””

ya`really got a severe dose of `red-underbed` goin`there TB,

why all the paranoia over Vlad.?
(as l said before, Vlad can`t really walk away)

.

””Today —- Crimea – Ukraine – ?? – ??””’

kind`a dramatic don`t ya`think.? same could be said for,

Korea > Vietnam > ?? > ?? > boom
or
Afghanistan > Iraq > Libya > North Africa > boom,
(which is much more in play) with a couple of wildcards, Syria imploding,
and lsrael menacing/striking Iran in recent years, quite frankly, ya`watching the wrong ball in my opinion

”Lawn bowls anyone…?

That’s true!

But lawn bowls has the same sexist approach to women who participate in the sport!

‘Did Ehrman figure all that out by himself?’

Its what we always suspected, a logical progression leading to mass delusion. I would like to hear Sancty’s take on it.

””””’try reading a few books too””””’

Wish l had the time and energy to do so.

l wouldn`t mind reading the old kgb and stasi files that are floating about tho first, they have been great sources for the docos of late,

l prefer `source` documents to books as they are more often very long `opinion` pieces.

The Black Death wasn’t spread by fleas, nor presumably black rats from China.

‘They now believe that the disease was airborne and had to have been spread by coughs and sneezes.’

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Where surgical gloves and masks are fashionable, and its true that rats and fleas have been getting a lot of bad press and are innocent of the charge laid against them.

Meanwhile …..

‘DEPUTY Labor leader Tanya Plibersek has endorsed calls for the party to further cut ties with the union movement by winding back rules which prevent people from joining the ALP without a union ticket.

‘Ms Plibersek said people who either worked for themselves, who were retired, or who were employed in jobs that did not lend themselves to union membership, should not be barred from signing up to the Labor Party.’

Wilson / Oz

Good point.

A utopian kingdom on earth where he would be supreme leader, appears to be the work of a rewrite sub.

”””””””””China, Russia and the USA are buying up gold like its going out of fashion … apart from my “analogy” … they know “something is up””””””””

Yeah, this was triggered back in 2001, after 911, and teh-usa successfully intimidating `swiss-bankers` to cough-up banking details on their clients, ie-no longer `secret, (and this was part of catching-out AWB trading with Saddam, and oil-for-food scandal),

China was always buying up gold, and other nations, particularly ones under `sanctions` ie Korea +lran +Syria +Libya (and the growing list) are bguying up gold to make `payments` with their `black-trading` partners

Constantine remained a sun worshipper even after becoming a Christian and that’s how Sunday became a day of rest.

Good catch, Splatter. I’ll drop it into Jonova.

Perhaps just a disclaimer on the home page would do it, for example-

The citizen journalists that write here have a record of making things up and having to write embarrassing retractions. So in advance please accept this apology for what we write today and most other days>
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The Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) has been fined $1.25 million for illegal blockades at Melbourne construction sites in 2012.
The union organised a four-day protest, in defiance of a court order, at the Grocon Emporium site in Melbourne’s CBD.
The protests sparked clashes with mounted police who were called in to escort non-union workers into the site on August 28.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-31/cfmeu-fined-1-25-million-over-grocon-protests-union-melbourne/5355976

$1.25mill doesn’t seem enough. They flouted court orders, threatened workers and police, disrupted the CBD for days.

$5mill would have been appropriate.

‘CLIVE Palmer’s prized asset is under threat of being closed down by federal authorities seeking to recover looming debts of $36 million.

‘Government agencies are moving to force the company, Queensland Nickel, into insolvency if it cannot pay a carbon tax bill that will triple over the year ahead as penalties apply.’

Crowe / Oz

…and the $1.25mill fine imposed on the CFMEU…

IS there anyone around who still argues that political affiliation with the ALP is in the interests of the ALP? Or in the interests of union members.

The only beneficiaries are the union hacks who use affiliation as a means of career advancement into the well paid parliamentary life.

“There is also a witch hunt into alleged Union corruption running at the same time that Financial Planners are being allowed to practice their own form of corruption, again.”

Do keep up !

That Bill is now on the back burner

Speaking of extreme wingnuttery, you can imagine the headline if, as the articles byline states, “THE largest health fund price hike for nine years will see premiums rise by an average $250 a year from today”

Instead, we have the lead wingnuts leading with

Shopping around can save you $1700 on health cover costs

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/shopping-around-can-save-you-1700-on-health-cover-costs/story-fni0cp8j-1226870088928

And the above byline appended with — but customers can save if they shop around.

One can only imagine how hitting pensioners in the budget will be played, while handing out millions to billionaires. “Fighting for our future” or some such crap. Even Collingwoood supporters aren’t that one-eyed.

Excellent !

It looks like the ALP wants to fight the next election on pricing Carbon. Or is is an April Fools joke or perhaps just a Party of Fools

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/case-made-to-reduce-emissions-by-more-than-5-per-cent-says-labor-environment-spokesman-mark-butler-20140401-35uwg.html

The Fairfax readers voted overwhelmingly to support the AGW theory.

all evidence to the contrary

What “evidence”?

There are opinions. I thought they ignored those for sanity reasons.

Leftists need to ignore different views

Your complaint was about evidence, not views. Fairfax provides views. Maybe not as many as you’d like, but then, you must remember, denialists are small sect in the scheme of things. They are just financed by some very large pockets

April Fools is cruel 😉

‘…denialists are small sect in the scheme of things. They are just financed by some very large pockets.’

The Denialati is not a sect and judging by the Canberra road trip they appear to be self funded retirees.

It is not a word used by those engaging in serious discussion of the issue.

I was talking to egg fer christs sake.

The chances of Fairfax giving any space to, say, McIntyre’s evidence regarding the defective nature of key AGW papers are vanishingly small.

Does he have any evidence, or is he just intent on finding errors (which is not all a bad thing)?

Climate warming study put on hold

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-warming-study-put-on-hold-20120611-2065y.html

‘Climate warming study put on hold’

The Denialati refer to that paper as the southern hemisphere hockey stick, it was seriously flawed.

””””””””””””””
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/01/at-92-i-was-arrested-for-protesting-against-mining-im-glad-i-took-a-stand?CMP=twt_gu

There were over 300 submissions against the mine,

and one submission for it.

But it was approved.”””””””””””””””””””’

l don`t think this is the so-called democracy bill-ryan and his brothers-in-arms thought they would end up with at the end of their lives, when they set out to defend their nation in ww2. lt must feel disgusting to them, to be continually sold-out by govts that keep looting from the next generation.

‘…and fixed.’

I didn’t know that. Could you supply a link and put it up in the back room?

Could you supply a link and put it up in the back room?

I’ll bet you still can’t answer the original question though.

Farage is building a People’s Army.

He said: ‘This is our country. It is a very good country. It is a country that developed the principle of parliamentary democracy. it has been given away through a whole series of lies and deceit. Let’s take back control of our our borders.

‘Let’s stop giving £55million a day as a membership fee of a club we don’t need to be part of. Let’s free ourselves up. I know the people are behind this. Come and join the People’s Army. Let’s topple the establishment that led you into this mess.’

Mr Farage went on: ‘I said yes to these debates. I thought you would honestly make the pro-EU case. By saying 7% of our laws are made in Brussels, you are wilfully lying to the British people about the extent to which we have given away control of our country and our democracy and I’m really shocked and surprised that you would try and do that.’

Mr Clegg countered: ‘I don’t think in a debate like this, Nigel Farage, you should start making things up to make a point.’

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All he has to do is present a strong opposition on a range of issue and if the debates see him winning, then the Establishment will have to adjust their outmoded thinking.

Farage Wins Second Debate

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/02/poll-farage-clegg-tv-debate

‘Nigel Farage is on course to take the Commons by storm by winning a seat in next year’s General Election after his success in the televised clashes with Nick Clegg.

‘A poll for The Mail on Sunday in Folkestone, where the UKIP leader is considering standing as an MP in 2015, shows he could easily win.’

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“”Nigel Farage is on course to take the Commons by storm by winning a seat in next year’s General Election after his success in the televised clashes with Nick Clegg.””

If anyone would like to sample what it’s like to live in Eastern Europe fly into Heathrow and stay in Paddington in Central London.

“….‘Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, unveiled proposals to introduce higher council tax bands to take in properties worth more than £2 million….”

Well there are only 3 things that you can actually “tax” as such.

They being Gross or Net Income (PAYG and Company Tax) , then Expenditure (call it GST , Sales Taxes plus Stamp Duty) and finally Assets

Not sure of the fundamentals, but this caught my notice.

‘…according to figures from property website Zoopla, more than a third of the 82,269 houses that are worth more than £2 million are in a single London borough – Kensington and Chelsea.

‘A further 31 per cent are in the boroughs of Westminster and Camden.’

“”Interesti……….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz””

LOL

If they suddenly announced a quadrupling of Council Rates in South Yarra that would get you interest quick smart

”””””””””first-home buyers now represent a tiny segment of the market, where traditionally they had been about 20 per cent. This is not culturally healthy.””””””””””

this is part of the stuff l bitch about dumpty, peak home-ownership has passed, allowing foreigners to `over`price/bid homes is only part of problem, the trashed employment conditions are the most damaging, as it is creating the `failure-to-thrive` scenario which eventually drags down people who should be succeeding in life, to giving-up, going on welfare/crime/drugs, etc

“Credit where it’s due: 13 years of Paul Keating between 1983 and 1996 set Australia up for a quarter of a century, so far, of recession-free growth.”

Unproven and unprovable.

But it is what you want to believe. To bad Hawke/Keating had no good economic numbers to brag about in their 13 years in power.

Like i said unproven and unprovable.

All i gained from that article is that Kohler is a Labor supporter.

‘Prime Minister Tony Abbott has raised the prospect of China ­investing heavily in Australian ­infrastructure during a meeting with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang in which he argued both countries would benefit from increased foreign investment as a consequence of a free trade agreement.

‘Australia is likely to offer China the same deal as it gave Japan and South Korea – an increase in the foreign investment scrutiny threshold from $248 million to $1.08 billion for a private entity. Mr Abbott relayed to Premier Li that Australia needed Chinese money to help build roads, bridges and other infrastructure.

‘In return, China would have to allow increased Australian investment, ­especially in the areas of financial services, banking, education, health and aged care, as well as increased access to agriculture.

‘These are proving to be sticking points in the negotiations.’

Phillip Coorey / Fin Review

‘it is creating the `failure-to-thrive` scenario which’

Unemployment has passed its peak in this cycle and is falling everywhere except South Oz. In a free market environment (set to boom) you can get reeducated or remain at the bottom of the heap. Your choice.

“And that demonstrates a youthful ignorance … ’cause you obviously weren’t out of long pants then ”

I was actually unemployed then. I was one of the 11% along with lots of other people..

Fact is if the Coalition was in power with unemployment at 11% they would lose the election. And Labor supporters would never let Coalition supporters forget it. They still go on about the time when Howard was Treasurer under Fraser and we had 3 or 4 months of DD unemployment.

”””””””””””you can get reeducated or remain at the bottom of the heap. Your choice.”””””””””’

statement of a true moron dumpty, there is plenty of folks with uni degrees doing low-paid junk-jobs, l suggest the next restaurant and retailer you go to, ask the waiter or shop-assistant if/what quals they have, same for petrol stations, cafes, and other places of part-time work, night-stackers at supermarkets,

1-””your choice”” totally moronic dumpty, your choice, try company`s choice not to offer full-time employment, it is as stupid as saying the `rape-victim` deserved-it.

2- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-trained, does not help in most cases, people often choose an industry to work in coz of some `talent` or `interest` in that industry, when that industry goes, all the re-re-re-re-re-re-re-training doesn`t amount to much as they don`t have any `experience` or other type of quality, which always leaves most out in the cold when it comes to getting the job, remember too, those that do re-re-re-re-train will require a way to finance their life while they re-re-re-re-re-train too, but unfortunately, until the odds improve, the latest #80,000 jobs that are going/or-gone will be 1/3 will get similar or better employment, 2/3 will be worse off.

””””””””””’I’ve been in and out of TAFE a few times. The dole office says get educated or””””””””””

dumpty, you provided the perfect working example,

clearly, the `education` aint cuttin`it, you aint gettin`any brighter,

”””’get work”””

it would do you the world of good dumpty, get out and about, meet a wider range of people, you might even learn something from their experiences that you didn`t expect from a job,

having a job that makes you think for ya`self somewhat couldn`t hurt either dumpty, you might build up some common sense and resistance to bolt and no-longer sound like an ipa-approved bill-board

Well yomm, we could round-up every `dole-ee` and put`em in a re-re-re-re-re-re-education gulag for several years, at the end they are `qualified-brain-surgeons`,

but unless, at the end, there is the jobs for those masses of `brain-surgeons`, then yes, it would be a waste of resources, both money wasted, and their time wasted

(l notice you like to troll from`ya cubicle, but fail miserably at joining the conversation in a meaningful manner, at least dumpty makes an effort from time to time)

‘at least dumpty makes an effort from time to time’

Its not my portfolio, but I don’t mind lending a hand.

#######except that apparently education is a waste of money, unless the educated can walk straight into a career, rather than just obtain employment#####

####non-teabagz pov####

####apparently####

###non teabagz make irrational and inconsistent comments and are then unable to justify them###

###stooooopid non teabagz############

‘Dunno seems a bit stupid to me’

Probably because its skills based there are no entry requirements for the qualification. Its essentially training people to become teachers.

A fellow I know, a first class mechanic, did Cert 4 and is now teaching ‘small engines’. The money is fabulous.

“….if nothing else it tells a potential employer you have got off your arse to make the effort …”

Yep…………..The first thing you have to do is stop feeling sorry for yourself and take control. Go and become a great barista if you feel upto it.

Seems to me that Teabag Frenzy thinks the World owes him a living and he can clock off at age 65 and have everybody else pay for his Aldi groceries.

I have an economics degree (from a good university) with some post graduate qualifications. I really don’t think I use the content of the education much, all it does is provide an indication that I had the staying power to finish a university course.

My first “professional” job was with a union (though I was a fairly mature entrant into “professional” work), there was little in that job that involved graduate level economics.

‘The first thing you have to do is stop feeling sorry for yourself and take control.’

That’s true in theory, but a poorly educated person may remain in a holding pattern forever, at great cost to the taxpayer. They cannot take control if they lack the vision of a better life, a purpose for being, and as a consequence they live in a depressing slump full of bitterness.

“Yeah Costello is a real star ”

Yep he certainly was. He paid off $96B of govt debt he was handed and started up a $80B Future Fund for starters. This means he saved $96B +$80B = $176B.

And you can’t save that much just by doing asset sales.

By the way Stephen Koukoulas is a pathological liar like Craig Thomson. That link you gave me the other day by SK is totally wrong.

Costello’s enemies like to make out he only ran surplus budgets because of asset sales. Not so. Asset sales were not put into the budget as revenue. Costello had about $80B of asset sales and $100B of surplus budgets meaning he saved approx $180B.

“pity the Mining Boom is over”

I don’t think you are right (as usual). Here are the commodity prices

http://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/frequency/commodity-prices/2014/icp-0314.html

They have dropped a bit from the boom years under Rudd/Gillard (2008-2012) but are still higher than they were under Howard/Costello.

By the way the Mining Boom has simply entered its production phase. With the exception of Coal (of which their are 2 basic types Thermal and Metallurgical) Iron Ore is doing very well indeed as is Gas (I hope you include that as mining).

The major job losses you speak of are in Exploration and Construction ( MacMahon Holdings +Leightons + Forge Group + Fleetwood) plus support industries.

BHP B, Rio, Fortescue+Woodside etc are travelling pretty well

‘until a couple of years ago I always had a five year plan* … ‘

* chuckle *

It may become fashionable again.

” … you can’t just switch exploration on and off its a major part of the industry and production jobs are falling … “”

I’ll call BULLSHIT on that

Of course you can

To turn switch to “Öff”

Elect the ALP !

🙂

“”… India looks good … ”

No doubt Egg will make a comment upon this but if Sri Lanka is a microcosm of an example of the bureaucracy (left by the British) and general distrust they sem to have for each other than I can assure you India does not look good.

India ain’t no China

To that I’d say……………………**&^^%*$$*#%@@@&$%(%))^)^&&_^)%^($$#%%#W^%&

”””’even a generic course in small business practice can be of value”””

”””’even a generic course in X can be of value””” particularly for those receiving `coin` for [hosting] the course, collecting the fees, making a profit, and even for the dept in helping fudge unemployment numbers,

those being re-re-re-re-trained #not-so-much

haha dumpty, that is really quite funny,

the zombies don`t want to own assets Federally, are squeezing NSW to flog-off their electrics, but don`t mind how much stuff the China-Govt owns, this is really twilight-zone logic

#if-we-can`t-beat-the-teabags-we-should-sell`em-to-China

Friday Not So Funny

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-04/11/content_17427825.htm

Wish I could get onto AIMN, they are headlining Chomsky.

#they `never-got-off-their-arse`

That is a reasonable description of the aircraft `cubicle` industry,

the training `chair` is padded to industrial/classification reasons `and swivels`

and the content `limited knowledge` is spoon fed to them.

LOL , talkin`ta owls, stay off #twitter, you will only enrage our tinfoilers

‘Losing interest in hobbies and other activities in old age could be an early sign of dementia, say scientists.

‘A US study found that elderly people who were apathetic but not suffering depression had shrinking amounts of grey and white matter – neurons in the brain that control memory and communication respectively.

‘Researchers say the findings offer doctors a new tool with which to identify a group of the population at risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2606348/Apathy-old-age-early-sign-dementia-Study-shows-losing-hobbies-mean-Alzheimers.html#ixzz2z8wx4yWz
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More `shiny` things that attract dumpty, just like tinfoil.

The `Voyagers` took some 16/17-years to leave `our` solar system.

Nasa chatter of `other` planet migration is about justifying their budget.

How much bone/muscle waste occurs to humans in space-stations.? #Teabags

‘Nasa chatter of `other` planet migration is about justifying their budget.’

They must remain relevant, but it would be far better if all Earthians had clean drinking water as a priority.

‘For decades astronomers have been searching for a world like our own outside the solar system that could host alien life.

‘And now astronomers have announced that they have found one – a planet 1.1 times the size of Earth orbiting a star just 490 light years away.

‘Called Kepler-186f, the planet is the first to be discovered with the right conditions for liquid water to exist on its surface, meaning it could support alien life as well.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2607079/Have-finally-EARTH-2-0-Astronomers-discover-planet-support-ALIEN-LIFE.html#ixzz2zBIp3yEE
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