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March 28, 2014

Planet Oz blog : Climate deniers and misinformation

Perhaps we could rethink how we talk about racism, call out racism, and stop racism. Perhaps we could start by establishing the fact that racism is not only putting on a white hood and burning crosses. It might be, say, assessing people’s Aboriginality on a colour chart then accusing them of adopting an ethnic profile for personal gain.

 

 

 

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  1. March 28, 2014 6:01 pm

    Strangely enough, they do seem to revel in it.

    Fucking wingnuts. 🙄

  2. March 28, 2014 6:23 pm

    Brisbane: Officially the World’s Ugliest City.

    I have been saying this for a long time now. It’s nice for it to be officially recognised. Now they just need another award for the type of people who live there…

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/brisbane-is-one-of-the-worlds-ugly-cities-says-philosopher-alain-de-botton/story-e6frfq80-1226867420594

  3. March 28, 2014 6:36 pm

    Cities…The World’s Largest Concentrations of Human Filth…Since XXXBC…

  4. March 28, 2014 6:47 pm

    Isnt it odd how the whiter the bread the more it seems to profess the purity of differential ethnicity and what is best for “them” by arrogantly assenting they they know best or understand….rediculous

  5. egg permalink
    March 28, 2014 6:57 pm

    Race relations are complex and racism is probably natural.

  6. egg permalink
    March 28, 2014 7:03 pm

    Here’s a few theories you may like to consider.

    http://cnx.org/content/m42861/latest/?collection=col11407/latest

  7. March 28, 2014 7:08 pm

    Egg you has anyone ever told you that you are a complete and utter ignorant fuckwit.

    #Justsayin

  8. egg permalink
    March 28, 2014 7:10 pm

    Not lately. Around here at least.

  9. March 28, 2014 7:20 pm

    l see ya`mis-using that photo of Snacky at the `save-pell` rally reb.

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    March 28, 2014 7:35 pm

    Now they just need another award for the type of people who live there…

    That’ll keep the Mexicans away from the border … maybe Abbott or one of the Acolytes should get one of their cronies to write a review about Australia being ugly – stop the boat people …

    I read that story this morning … the comments are interesting too … most think alan bottom is a Dickwit …

    As for Brisbanites – salt of the Earth …

    Although I have it on “god” (sic) authority that some of us are not as clever as they think … 🙂

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    March 28, 2014 7:37 pm

    egg, you are a complete and utter ignorant fuckwit. 🙂

  12. March 28, 2014 7:37 pm

    “l see ya`mis-using that photo of Snacky at the `save-pell` rally reb.”

    It’s funny that you should mention that…. LOL..

  13. egg permalink
    March 28, 2014 8:02 pm

    Very amusing TB, so what was the most profound thing that happened to you overseas?

  14. March 28, 2014 8:21 pm

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    “frictionless remixing” Now I know why Egg is locked in all that denial, way too much frictionless remixing…no need for Egg to to change hands

    TB Brisbane is lovely, I spent three weeks there one afternoon 🙂

  15. Spin Me Right Round permalink
    March 28, 2014 8:22 pm

    Must get me one o’ them there hats.

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 28, 2014 8:46 pm

    Thank you for having a thread devoted to my orientation.

  17. Fanks permalink
    March 28, 2014 8:52 pm

    You’re welcome.

  18. Walrus permalink
    March 28, 2014 10:27 pm

    Can anyone out there tell me how the fuck do you cure a pair of 16 and 15 year old Maltese dogs from snoring.

    It’s driving me fucking crazy

  19. Walrus permalink
    March 28, 2014 10:28 pm

    Yes

    It’s a First World problem

  20. zzzzzzz permalink
    March 28, 2014 10:30 pm

    “Maltese dogs from snoring”

    Hemlock?

  21. Walrus permalink
    March 28, 2014 10:57 pm

    Now that’s not nice

    You must suffer from small dog syndrome ?

    LOL

    I’m telling ya these 2 start snoring as soon as the temp goes below 22

    It’s fucking weird

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 28, 2014 11:05 pm

    I think it is fair to call Brisbane “ugly”, though maybe have a look at Canberra too.

    On the other hand, I don’t think there is an uglier city than Los Angeles, though the people there seem to have more intelligence than the Brisbane folk.
    ——–
    Interestingly, I see that Jerry Brown is Governor of California, which I find somehow comforting. We’re not past it after all! Brown had a 30 year break – he was last governor in 1983, after an 8 year term.

    If Jerry Brown can have a 30 year hiatus, and make a comeback, there’s hope for us all!

  23. Amazing Snakeheads permalink
    March 28, 2014 11:19 pm

  24. Friday Nite permalink
    March 28, 2014 11:41 pm

  25. egg permalink
    March 29, 2014 7:12 am

    Walrus put the dogs on a vegan diet, it works in humans apparently.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    March 29, 2014 10:53 am

    ONLY THE NAMES CHANGE BUT HISTORY REPEATS AGAIN

    In Europe, Germany and Italy were becoming bolder. In March 1938, Germany annexed Austria, again provoking little response from other European powers. Encouraged, Hitler began pressing German claims on the Sudetenland, an area of Czechoslovakia with a predominantly ethnic German population; and soon Britain and France followed the counsel of prime minister Neville Chamberlain and conceded this territory to Germany in the Munich Agreement, which was made against the wishes of the Czechoslovak government, in exchange for a promise of no further territorial demands. Soon afterwards, Germany and Italy forced Czechoslovakia to cede additional territory to Hungary and Poland.

    Although all of Germany’s stated demands had been satisfied by the agreement, privately Hitler was furious that British interference had prevented him from seizing all of Czechoslovakia in one operation. In subsequent speeches Hitler attacked British and Jewish “war-mongers” and in January 1939 secretly ordered a major build-up of the German navy to challenge British naval supremacy. In March 1939, Germany invaded the remainder of Czechoslovakia and subsequently split it into the German Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia and a pro-German client state, the Slovak Republic.Hitler also delivered an ultimatum to Lithuania, forcing the concession of the Klaipėda Region.

    WORRIED about Moscow’s intentions, President Barack Obama urged Russian President Vladimir Putin to pull his troops back from the border with Ukraine during an hour-long phone call today (AEST).

    The Russian leader, who initiated the call, asserted that Ukraine’s government is allowing extremists to intimidate civilians with impunity.

    Some of you may recall my oft repeated fear that Putin was/is a dangerous man … and obviously a fan of Stalin and studied Hitler’s modus operandi … Ukraine is just the beginning ..

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 29, 2014 12:31 pm

    There is plenty of reporting of union related corruption in preparation for the royal commission.

    The hearings should be a hoot!

    Plenty of focus on Gillard & Shorten.

    Union officials who will look good will be Ged Kearney & Dave Oliver of the ACTU, both as clean as a whistle.

  28. Dianne permalink
    March 29, 2014 2:35 pm

    Anyone called Geradine must have a spotless soul.

    But goodness me why do we expect unionists to be as pure as the driven while we avert our eyes from corporate excesses. It always seems to me that it is much easier to go after the venial offenders like Craig Thompson particularly if there is the titillation of brothels involved.

    Meanwhile up in the steamy north across the water a young man has been murdered in our care and maybe by people employed by us if Fairfax is correct. Security camera footage of that murder is claimed to be non existent, an investigating lawyer has been deported, inquiries shut down and a greasy tarpaulin has been lowered over doings in that ghastly camp.

    I slit my eyes at what I am told to be outraged about.

  29. March 29, 2014 2:40 pm

    Comparing the situation with Vlad, with Adolf is little bit bullshit and quite shallow.

    Teh-Allies (Britain and France) did all the could to destabilize the German King and have his people over-throw him, post-ww1. Teh-Allies were successful. Teh-Allies got Adolph.

    None of this applies to teh-usa or Vlad in 2014.

    ln a fictional scenario 2, Vlad could have just walked away, leaving an imploding nuclear Ukraine to demise by its own hand, and Chechan Muslim terrorists to move in and help themselves to nuclear material and weapons.

    Teh-usa would wail about Vlad, no matter `which` action Vlad did/didn`t take. And like many things, there is probably no `good` answer, just choices between `bad` and less-bad.

  30. egg permalink
    March 29, 2014 4:32 pm

    ‘An actress is suing the BBC for up to £1million after Top Gear host Jeremy Clarkson allegedly made a racist remark during the series finale of the show.

    ‘Indian-born Somi Guha, 36, has instructed lawyers after Clarkson used the word ‘slope’ – a derogatory term for people of Asian descent – in the Top Gear Burma special.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2591500/BBC-sued-1-MILLION-Jeremy-Clarkson-racism-allegations-presenter-makes-slope-remark-Top-Gear-Burma-special.html#ixzz2xKKLIK2A
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  31. TB Queensland permalink
    March 29, 2014 8:53 pm

    Well thanx for that review TBag …

    Where did you get this little gem from … Teh-Allies (Britain and France) did all the could to destabilize the German King and have his people over-throw him, post-ww1. Teh-Allies were successful. Teh-Allies got Adolph.

    The Kaiser was Queen Victoria;s fkn nephew!

    Wilhelm II or William II (German: Friedrich Wilhelm Viktor Albrecht von Preußen; Frederick William Victor Albert of Prussia; 27 January 1859 – 4 June 1941) was the last German Emperor (Kaiser) and King of Prussia, ruling the German Empire and the Kingdom of Prussia from 15 June 1888 to 9 November 1918.

    You do know when WWI finished …

    And er, that’s Adolf, oh and …

    After Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany by the President of the Weimar Republic Paul von Hindenburg on 30 January 1933

    Get the President and the Republic bit?

    If you’re going to spout BS about military/political history re WWII get you’re facts straight … I might be a grandfather but that doesn’t make me stupid, ignorant or uneducated … as some of you young Turks seem to think …

    I also have the benefit (advantage) of a Teutonic friend (ten years my junior) who studies WWII for entirely different reasons to you or me … and access to his library – luckily not all in German … but written by German historians … (what did Churchill say?)

    France in particular attempted to destroy the Weimar Republic commercially – to the extent that inflation was running at 1000%, yep one thousand per cent … A DAY!

    Workers were given time off at lunch time to cash their wages and give it to their wives to buy food (etc) before inflation decreased the value in the afternoon …

    … one tale I read (in one of my friend’s books) was of a woman waiting in a ration line with a woven wicker basket full of notes (inflation means lots of printing as the value deflates so much) who put her basket down for a few seconds – when she went to pick up the basket the basket was gone and the pile of money was left … the value was not in paper money but in the basket …

    China, Russia and the USA are buying up gold like its going out of fashion … apart from my “analogy” … they know “something is up” …

    Do you have a contingency plan when Indonesia comes knocking? (no, not China)

    Can you load a rifle?

    The analogy I draw stands, based on the QUOTE I provided …

    Yesterday — Austria – Czechoslovakia – Sudetenland – Poland … BOOM!

    Today —- Crimea – Ukraine – ?? – ??

    Wonder how Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Belarus, Georgia, Rumania etc etc. feel tonight … ?

    I don’t believe in praying … but I do believe in hope … hope that a diplomatic solution can be found … the Doomsday Clock has never been closer to Midnight in my lifetime … and I was around during the Cuban Crisis … being a grandad an’ all that!

    For if there is a third Anti-Christ his name is surely Vladimir Putin …

  32. March 29, 2014 10:59 pm

    ”””””””The Kaiser was Queen Victoria`s fkn nephew!”””””””

    kind`a pointless statement, pre charles/dianna the `royals` didn`t marry `serfs`, they married into other `royal` house-holds, so yes, l know, they are all fcuking related somehow, uncles, aunts, cousins, including teh-brittish-isle

    .

    ””””””””””””’Where did you get this little gem from … Teh-Allies (Britain and France) did all the could to destabilize the German King and have his people over-throw him, post-ww1. Teh-Allies were successful. Teh-Allies got Adolph.””””””””

    ”””””Where did you get this little gem from””””””’

    mainly it a summary of the many, many docos l`ve watched over the years, particularly the ones on `spook-archives` being released,
    (yeah, l don`t have urls) so l won`t quibble about ya`blockquotes

  33. March 29, 2014 11:10 pm

    better wording

    Teh-Allies (Britain and France) did all the could to destabilize the German King/Govt, the King strill had influence in the backgroung and have his people over-throw him/Govt, post-ww1. With excessive `sanctions` against Germany, strangling it from commerce with `trade-restrictions`, starving it from raw materials, and the over-bearing compensation repayments paid from Germany to Teh-Allies.

    #Treaty of Ver-sigh idiot

    The period 1918(ww1-end) to 1938(annex-austria) are very interesting, and Teh-Allies-Spooks were very busy, and well budgeted running destructive operations within Germany. #astroturfing

    Teh-Allies were successful. Teh-Allies got Adolph.

  34. March 29, 2014 11:17 pm

    FYI grandpa, Teh-Allies `spooks` knew early in ww2 (say-1939) the jews of europe were being mass murdered too, but preferred to pretend it wasn`t happening. This was used as leverage post-ww2 to gain support of Teh-Allies for `forming` israel, so Teh-Allies were more than happy to give away the arabs land to ease Teh-Allies `conscience` and keep their dirty little secret.

    #watch more docos grandpa

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 29, 2014 11:39 pm

    Teh-Allies were more than happy to give away the arabs land

    So that’s what happened. The middle east simplified.

    (I’d been under the misunderstanding that Jews had been about in that part of the world for quite some time too.

  36. March 29, 2014 11:51 pm

    glad to see yomm will tell us which land/country the jews `ruled` pre-ww2, and when.? #teabags

  37. March 30, 2014 12:06 am

    ”””if there is a third Anti-Christ his name is surely Vladimir Putin”””

    ya`really got a severe dose of `red-underbed` goin`there TB,

    why all the paranoia over Vlad.?
    (as l said before, Vlad can`t really walk away)

    .

    ””Today —- Crimea – Ukraine – ?? – ??””’

    kind`a dramatic don`t ya`think.? same could be said for,

    Korea > Vietnam > ?? > ?? > boom
    or
    Afghanistan > Iraq > Libya > North Africa > boom,
    (which is much more in play) with a couple of wildcards, Syria imploding,
    and lsrael menacing/striking Iran in recent years, quite frankly, ya`watching the wrong ball in my opinion

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2014 10:49 am

    Olive Bowers is not exactly a veteran of the ocean, but at 13 she has enough experience to know what she likes and what she doesn’t when it comes to surfing. Best is catching a clean wave in the summer; worst is some of the sexism that still lingers in the sport.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/olive-bowers-hits-out-at-surfer-sexism-20140329-35qei.html#ixzz2xOldmeFD

    Nice letter from a 13 year old.

    But really, this is on the front page of The Age, if Fairfax considers this font page news, it has really lost the plot.

    In any event, surfing is the only sport I can think of where women practice on an entirely equal basis against men.

  39. March 30, 2014 11:11 am

    surfing is the only sport I can think of where women practice on an entirely equal basis against men”

    Lawn bowls anyone…?

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2014 11:17 am

    Some hopeful news …

    http://www.news.com.au/world/foreign-minister-sergei-lavrov-says-russia-has-no-intention-of-invading-ukraine/story-fndir2ev-1226868784579

    TBag every post above just demonstrates a limited understanding of military/political history … docos are a really good source of info … try reading a few books too …

    As for the ageist grandpa crap … take a deep breathe next time …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Lawn bowls anyone…?

    Target shooting?

    Archery?

    Dressage?

    ToM should get out a little more, methinks …

    Curling? 🙂

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2014 11:23 am

    Dog Story

    WoW! I must run out and get the book! Did Ehrman figure all that out by himself?

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2014 11:43 am

    ”Lawn bowls anyone…?

    That’s true!

    But lawn bowls has the same sexist approach to women who participate in the sport!

  43. March 30, 2014 11:49 am

    Dog Story… WoW! I must run out and get the book! Did Ehrman figure all that out by himself?

    Jewish apocalyptic preacher — who ended up on the wrong side of the law
    Crucified for his efforts How did Jesus become God

    Egg…I’m stealin that for sure, its pure songwriting gold…

    In any event, surfing is the only sport I can think of where women practice on an entirely equal basis against men.

    Only if you live in a vacuum.. Snooker anyone? Ping Pong?

    Dont know if you guys are onto True Detective the HBO series its a masterpiece, film Noir meets swampy southern grease. Brilliant Writing, cinematography and soundtrack

    http://www.hbo.com/true-detective#/

    The Handsome Family a personal favorite and plucked from obscurity to the mainstream by way of a great choice of theme.

  44. egg permalink
    March 30, 2014 12:07 pm

    ‘Did Ehrman figure all that out by himself?’

    Its what we always suspected, a logical progression leading to mass delusion. I would like to hear Sancty’s take on it.

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 30, 2014 12:08 pm

    OK, about the only sport that involves strength, stamina as well as skill.

  46. March 30, 2014 12:14 pm

    How do you feel about corner painting Tom? lol 🙂

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2014 12:48 pm

    I would like to hear Sancty’s take on it.

    Yeah, I’m just sarcastic he’s agnostic (I think) …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    OK, about the only sport that involves strength, stamina as well as skill.

    Did I mention dressage and target shooting?

    Do you mean “practice” or compete?

    ‘Cause “practice” in the true sense of the word opens up a whole lot of other sports – football, basketball, racing cars, athletics, cricket … the list is endless (almost) … even astronauts … even “playing” soldiers these days …

    Sexism in the 21st Century may have just caught up with you, ToM, ask Fifi …

    Sir Thomarse … has a certain ‘ring’ to it … 🙂

  48. March 30, 2014 1:37 pm

    ””””’try reading a few books too””””’

    Wish l had the time and energy to do so.

    l wouldn`t mind reading the old kgb and stasi files that are floating about tho first, they have been great sources for the docos of late,

    l prefer `source` documents to books as they are more often very long `opinion` pieces.

  49. March 30, 2014 1:45 pm

    TB”””every post above just demonstrates a limited understanding of military/political””today`s reality, which is the NUCLEAR(and navy) stuff in the ukraine, which you have not included any answer to.

  50. egg permalink
    March 30, 2014 2:25 pm

    The Black Death wasn’t spread by fleas, nor presumably black rats from China.

    ‘They now believe that the disease was airborne and had to have been spread by coughs and sneezes.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2592566/How-Black-Death-Londoners-just-cosmopolitan-Analysis-14th-century-remains-shows-four-10-victims-grew-elsewhere.html#ixzz2xPe6VBKq
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  51. Dianne permalink
    March 30, 2014 4:29 pm

    Egg – I hope they washed their hands thoroughly after handling plague bones. I would not want one of those DNA extractors passing me the butter.

    Fancy turning up as a celebrity skeleton in the Daily Mail after all those centuries. They usually totter around on towering heels on the arm of some soccer lout.

    Poor rats. They have been shown a lot of bigotry over the years. There should be a law against it?

  52. egg permalink
    March 30, 2014 4:41 pm

    Where surgical gloves and masks are fashionable, and its true that rats and fleas have been getting a lot of bad press and are innocent of the charge laid against them.

    Meanwhile …..

    ‘DEPUTY Labor leader Tanya Plibersek has endorsed calls for the party to further cut ties with the union movement by winding back rules which prevent people from joining the ALP without a union ticket.

    ‘Ms Plibersek said people who either worked for themselves, who were retired, or who were employed in jobs that did not lend themselves to union membership, should not be barred from signing up to the Labor Party.’

    Wilson / Oz

  53. Ol' Sancty permalink
    March 30, 2014 5:41 pm

    Egg my understanding is that Jesus never claimed a kingdom on earth, quite the opposite. One day when time permits I may even read the book. But from the article, a couple of his foundation arguments are flawed.

  54. egg permalink
    March 30, 2014 5:58 pm

    Good point.

    A utopian kingdom on earth where he would be supreme leader, appears to be the work of a rewrite sub.

  55. March 30, 2014 6:22 pm

    ””””””””””””
    http://www.news.com.au/world/foreign-minister-sergei-lavrov-says-russia-has-no-intention-of-invading-ukraine/story-fndir2ev-1226868784579
    ”””””””””””””

    what do you find `hopeful` TB.?

    to me it seems like the usual blurt most foreign ministers would come out with,

  56. March 30, 2014 6:43 pm

    ”””””””””China, Russia and the USA are buying up gold like its going out of fashion … apart from my “analogy” … they know “something is up””””””””

    Yeah, this was triggered back in 2001, after 911, and teh-usa successfully intimidating `swiss-bankers` to cough-up banking details on their clients, ie-no longer `secret, (and this was part of catching-out AWB trading with Saddam, and oil-for-food scandal),

    China was always buying up gold, and other nations, particularly ones under `sanctions` ie Korea +lran +Syria +Libya (and the growing list) are bguying up gold to make `payments` with their `black-trading` partners

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2014 6:46 pm

    which is the NUCLEAR(and navy) stuff in the ukraine, which you have not included any answer to.

    Well I unfortunately assumed that most informed people here would be well aware of the naval and nuclear threat that Russia is attempting to “protect” in both the Crimea (just look at a map to see why) and Syria …

    Did I not make passing remark re the Cuban Crisis … having lived through the Cold War both in Europe and here I can assure it’s not a pleasant feeling …

    what do you find `hopeful` TB.?

    I now have to explain my fkn “hopes” … jeesus wept … the hope that the fkn foreign minister is telling at least a half truth … if you want to hope he’s not … start practising to load a rifle …

    I really don’t give a FF! I can already pop a grouping of five in 30cm @ 100m … and load a magazine … get practising, Tbag … words have never stopped bullets … and I’m afraid words are only mightier than the sword from a distance …

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2014 6:48 pm

    Yeah, this was triggered back in 2001, after 911etc

    Thanks for that … I feel so much more secure having your commentary to keep me warm and safe at night … 🙂

  59. March 30, 2014 7:11 pm

    sorry TB, l just don`t share your paranoia over other nations the suit teh-usa narrative,

    teh-cold-war, a war that nobody had the nads to start,
    and which nation was the continual antagonist.?

    teh-cuba-missile-crisis,
    and which nation was the continual antagonist.?

  60. March 30, 2014 8:04 pm

    But from the article, a couple of his foundation arguments are flawed.

    Like Santa, the easter bunny, closure, justice, the impending refo invasion, the budget black hole and fiberal economic competence… You know I alway prefer the original, that new testament remake, with all the water walkin, fish loaf resurrection bullshit destroyed the first premise of story tellin…suspension of disbelief. I love how people consider a fairytale book to be non fiction and a literal doctrine of life… they should have picked Dr Seuss it ‘s much better and employs pork products.

  61. egg permalink
    March 30, 2014 8:12 pm

    Foundation Stone

    ‘If Constantine had not converted, masses of former pagans would not have accepted the faith in his wake.’

    True and I think he managed it by incorporating some pagan rites into the new religion.

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2014 8:18 pm

    teh-cuba-missile-crisis,
    and which nation was the continual antagonist.?

    Obviously the USA* … just how old are you?

    *alert

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    True and I think he managed it by incorporating some pagan rites into the new religion.

    He did indeed – like endorsement of raping, pillaging and murder … all legally of course …

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2014 8:26 pm

    But really, this is on the front page of The Age, if Fairfax considers this font page news, it has really lost the plot.

    So who owns news.com.au ToM?

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/olive-bowers-13-writes-fierce-letter-to-tracks-magazine-over-its-portrayal-of-women/story-fnlsv2b8-1226869033344

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    March 30, 2014 8:50 pm

    Just booked GC for Thursday to see “Noah” … looks like a good big screen film … and the dogbotherers have been complaining … ’cause it doesn’t follow the “real” story … LOL!

  65. egg permalink
    March 31, 2014 7:40 am

    Constantine remained a sun worshipper even after becoming a Christian and that’s how Sunday became a day of rest.

  66. Dianne permalink
    March 31, 2014 7:57 am

    Day of rest until the advent of Latte Lifestyle and Shop ‘Til You Drop.

    No rest for the wicked now.

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2014 12:40 pm

    This is going to be an interesting cavalcade of broken promises. They made promises they could never keep. I guess they figured that if they do the tough stuff now people might forget come next election.

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2014 12:43 pm

    “Constantine remained a sun worshipper even after becoming a Christian and that’s how Sunday became a day of rest.”

    Interestingly, Constantine wasn’t baptised until the year he died and even then it was an Arian bishop who baptised him.

  69. Splatterbottom permalink
    March 31, 2014 3:43 pm

    Apologies are piling up:

    “In this post addressing the concerns of Dr. David Evans I stated that I may have misread, or have been mislead, by Michael Marriott. I also noted that he had a history of misleading people.

    This claim is not true, and I offer my unreserved apologies for making it.”

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2014 3:58 pm

    More hilarity!!

    Next there will be another round of-
    That correction shows so much integrity
    • I have a new faith in the integrity of this site for making this correction
    • Thank you!

    Perhaps it’s time for those “editors” and “citizen journalists” just to admit that they’re pathetic bullshit artists.

  71. egg permalink
    March 31, 2014 4:22 pm

    Good catch, Splatter. I’ll drop it into Jonova.

  72. March 31, 2014 4:25 pm

    So his claim that Mr Marriott had a “history of misleading people” was in itself “misleading…?”

    Perhaps an apology along the lines of “I’m profoundly sorry that my accusation that Mr Marriott has a history of misleading people, because I made something up about him that wasn’t true, but unfortunately didn’t want to accept any responsibility for that, so I said that he often misleads people instead, rather than admitting that I was in fact the one being misleading, was perhaps in hindsight misleading because it turns out that it was in fact not true depending on where you stand on this matter….”

    That ought to clear things up.

    Oh what a tangled web we weave…

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    March 31, 2014 5:30 pm

    Perhaps just a disclaimer on the home page would do it, for example-

    The citizen journalists that write here have a record of making things up and having to write embarrassing retractions. So in advance please accept this apology for what we write today and most other days>
    ———————————–

    The Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) has been fined $1.25 million for illegal blockades at Melbourne construction sites in 2012.
    The union organised a four-day protest, in defiance of a court order, at the Grocon Emporium site in Melbourne’s CBD.
    The protests sparked clashes with mounted police who were called in to escort non-union workers into the site on August 28.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-31/cfmeu-fined-1-25-million-over-grocon-protests-union-melbourne/5355976

    $1.25mill doesn’t seem enough. They flouted court orders, threatened workers and police, disrupted the CBD for days.

    $5mill would have been appropriate.

  74. March 31, 2014 5:49 pm

    ”””””””””””
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/30/labor-spies-tools-terror-plibersek
    ”””””””””””’

    yeah dunny, they will all claim they will `save` us from `some` boogey-man,

    all of them fictional of course,

    #SayTheRealMonsters

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2014 5:59 pm

    Perhaps it’s time for those “editors” and “citizen journalists” just to admit that they’re pathetic bullshit artists.

    I simply don’t go there anymore … naming folk was the last straw for me after the welcoming arms to the rockshifter … if I get pissed on I don’t go back for another g/shower …

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2014 9:05 pm

    We have a new member of the family — arrived today …

    Meet … Neato …

    And I thought Roomba was great … The Minister is RAPT! (A big plus from very DUBIOUS!)

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2014 9:14 pm

    And we just got a set of these (with remote control) …

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    March 31, 2014 9:39 pm

    NOTHING CHANGES … I’ve been retired now for almost nine years … but it still takes the deaths of two young men to stir Robber Barons to improve OH&S … how long has Twiggy been in the business!

    Of all the mining companies I worked with only BHPB seemed to be serious about OH&S …

    Secure Lockout Systems are not all that difficult to apply … that TWO deaths should prompt this in the 21st Century in Australia – a mining world leader – is shameful …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/fortescue-wants-to-be-global-safety-leader/story-e6frfkur-1226870085503

  79. egg permalink
    April 1, 2014 8:04 am

    ‘CLIVE Palmer’s prized asset is under threat of being closed down by federal authorities seeking to recover looming debts of $36 million.

    ‘Government agencies are moving to force the company, Queensland Nickel, into insolvency if it cannot pay a carbon tax bill that will triple over the year ahead as penalties apply.’

    Crowe / Oz

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2014 9:26 am

    ”but it still takes the deaths of two young men to stir Robber Barons to improve OH&S …

    Not just the “Robber Barons” either. The evidence from the Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Program has been interesting. Evidence suggests that the public servants were more committed to training and safety than the ALP politicians.

    The program was to be rolled out with a structured safety program, but the politicians decided to take a short cut.

    Disgraceful.

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2014 9:29 am

    …and the $1.25mill fine imposed on the CFMEU…

    IS there anyone around who still argues that political affiliation with the ALP is in the interests of the ALP? Or in the interests of union members.

    The only beneficiaries are the union hacks who use affiliation as a means of career advancement into the well paid parliamentary life.

  82. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 9:47 am

    but the politicians decided to take a short cut.

    The politicians, correctly, surmised that OH&S provisions would be enough, which they would have been, had the provisions been adhered to.

    and the $1.25mill fine imposed on the CFMEU

    It is quite the thing when a Union gets fined for trying to apply safety conditions (Swanston Street still has too many clouds hanging over it), while at the same time there is a political witch hunt about politician apparently ignoring safety (even though it has become obvious they didn’t, which is what all of he other reports into the insulation program have found btw)

    There is also a witch hunt into alleged Union corruption running at the same time that Financial Planners are being allowed to practice their own form of corruption, again.

    The hypocrisy is there for all to see.

  83. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 1, 2014 10:01 am

    “Financial Planners are being allowed to practice their own form of corruption, again.”

    But, but … where will all the party donations come from if the donors can’t skin the marks. I mean what right have punters got to know how much the BSD’s are making from the deal? Especially if they work for a bank!

  84. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 10:06 am

    none apparently

  85. Walruses permalink
    April 1, 2014 10:30 am

    “There is also a witch hunt into alleged Union corruption running at the same time that Financial Planners are being allowed to practice their own form of corruption, again.”

    Do keep up !

    That Bill is now on the back burner

  86. Walruses permalink
    April 1, 2014 10:35 am

    “And I thought Roomba was great … The Minister is RAPT! (A big plus from very DUBIOUS!)”

    TB

    Let me know how it goes as I’m a bit dubious about those. However since carpet is banned from our house such a bit of technology like that would be great if it works

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2014 10:49 am

    BREAKING NEWS!

    Peter Cosgrove has refused his knighthood!

  88. Walrus permalink
    April 1, 2014 11:03 am

    Mmmmmmmmm….. !

    What’s the date ?

  89. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 11:20 am

    Speaking of extreme wingnuttery, you can imagine the headline if, as the articles byline states, “THE largest health fund price hike for nine years will see premiums rise by an average $250 a year from today”

    Instead, we have the lead wingnuts leading with

    Shopping around can save you $1700 on health cover costs

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/shopping-around-can-save-you-1700-on-health-cover-costs/story-fni0cp8j-1226870088928

    And the above byline appended with — but customers can save if they shop around.

    One can only imagine how hitting pensioners in the budget will be played, while handing out millions to billionaires. “Fighting for our future” or some such crap. Even Collingwoood supporters aren’t that one-eyed.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2014 11:29 am

    1

  91. Walrus permalink
    April 1, 2014 12:13 pm

    Excellent !

    It looks like the ALP wants to fight the next election on pricing Carbon. Or is is an April Fools joke or perhaps just a Party of Fools

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/case-made-to-reduce-emissions-by-more-than-5-per-cent-says-labor-environment-spokesman-mark-butler-20140401-35uwg.html

  92. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 1, 2014 12:49 pm

    Funnily enough they went to the last election promising to terminate the Carbon Tax. Now they are back to squawking like Chicken Little hoping to convince increasingly skeptical voters that the sky really is falling this time. Looks like they really are still wedded to the Greens.

  93. egg permalink
    April 1, 2014 1:21 pm

    The Fairfax readers voted overwhelmingly to support the AGW theory.

  94. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 1, 2014 1:39 pm

    Given that Fairfax excludes all evidence to the contrary that is hardly surprising. You would get the same outcome in polls of the ABC audience or of Green voters or any other of the myriad leftist clusters of stupdity – academia, arts festivals, inner city coffee shops.

  95. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 1:53 pm

    all evidence to the contrary

    What “evidence”?

    There are opinions. I thought they ignored those for sanity reasons.

  96. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 1, 2014 2:14 pm

    “There are opinions. I thought they ignored those for sanity reasons.”

    Yep. Leftists need to ignore different views to stop their little pointy heads exploding.

  97. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 2:18 pm

    Leftists need to ignore different views

    Your complaint was about evidence, not views. Fairfax provides views. Maybe not as many as you’d like, but then, you must remember, denialists are small sect in the scheme of things. They are just financed by some very large pockets

  98. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 2:26 pm

    It must be April Fools. Or just another day in our government?

    Political appointments: Mirabella to chair SBS board, Akerman joins

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/04/01/political-appointments-mirabella-to-chair-sbs-board-ackerman-joins/

    And if that isn’t bad enough, here is a snippet of her “acceptance” speech(?)

    At the same time, my experience in the Industry portfolio has given me insights into how to wean companies dependent on government assistance off their reliance on taxpayers.”

    No cuts to ABC or SBS?

  99. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 2:28 pm

    April Fools is cruel 😉

  100. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2014 2:36 pm

    The program was to be rolled out with a structured safety program, but the politicians decided to take a short cut.
    Disgraceful.

    yes it is, the safety of the young installers should always have been the starting point in policy. Doesn’t negate the culpability of the employers in training and education as a life saving measure in the industry though.

    Leftists need to ignore different views

    no, they need to take all views into account and reject the ones where the evidence doesn’t stack up.

  101. egg permalink
    April 1, 2014 2:37 pm

    ‘…denialists are small sect in the scheme of things. They are just financed by some very large pockets.’

    The Denialati is not a sect and judging by the Canberra road trip they appear to be self funded retirees.

  102. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 2:40 pm

    they appear to be self funded retirees.

    They appear to be all sorts of things. Self funded isn’t one of them

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 1, 2014 2:43 pm

    “denialists are small sect in the scheme of things”

    Very small indeed. In fact don’t know of any “denialists”. It is not a word used by those engaging in serious discussion of the issue.

    “They are just financed by some very large pockets”

    The vast majority of funding in this field goes to those who support the IPCC view. The amount spent funding crticis is trivial in comparison. The most effective critics like Steve McIntyre are self-funded. The chances of Fairfax giving any space to, say, McIntyre’s evidence regarding the defective nature of key AGW papers are vanishingly small.

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2014 2:53 pm

    Very small indeed. In fact don’t know of any “denialists”. It is not a word used by those engaging in serious discussion of the issue.

    Maybe not a word the denialists like to use 😉

    At the same time, my experience in the Industry portfolio has given me insights into how to wean companies dependent on government assistance off their reliance on taxpayers.”

    perhaps one of the reasons she didn’t get re-elected

    The vast majority of funding in this field goes to those who support the IPCC view. The amount spent funding crticis is trivial in comparison.

    Where is that info to be found sb?
    If you are correctly stating that, perhaps that is because the IPCC is an expert, consensus view of world renowned climate scientists. Not hard to work out why that would be supported rather than a vested industry attack on the scientists who provide the empirical evidence to support their informed view.

  105. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 3:10 pm

    It is not a word used by those engaging in serious discussion of the issue.

    I was talking to egg fer christs sake.

    The chances of Fairfax giving any space to, say, McIntyre’s evidence regarding the defective nature of key AGW papers are vanishingly small.

    Does he have any evidence, or is he just intent on finding errors (which is not all a bad thing)?

    Climate warming study put on hold

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-warming-study-put-on-hold-20120611-2065y.html

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2014 3:29 pm

    A gutsy digger is bill ryan, still doing what’s right.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/01/at-92-i-was-arrested-for-protesting-against-mining-im-glad-i-took-a-stand?CMP=twt_gu

    …I’m now 92 years of age and I was a veteran of the second world war. I served in the Kokoda campaign in New Britain. I thought what we were fighting for there was proper democracy. But I’ve learned that was not the situation. The government doesn’t listen to the people, and this mine is a good example. There were over 300 submissions against the mine, and one submission for it. But it was approved…

  107. egg permalink
    April 1, 2014 3:34 pm

    ‘Climate warming study put on hold’

    The Denialati refer to that paper as the southern hemisphere hockey stick, it was seriously flawed.

  108. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 3:50 pm

    it was seriously flawed.

    and fixed. It’s what real scientists do. They know they are not infallible, they accept their mistakes, and rectify them.

    It only serves to make their case stronger.

    Whatever happened to watts and his foray into science, where the end result matched the rest of the science, and he still disagreed with it?

  109. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2014 4:00 pm

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 1, 2014 4:18 pm

    THÉRÈSE Rein has sold her recruitment company Ingeus to American Providence Service Corporation for what could be a $221 million bounty for former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s wife.

    $221,000,000 just doesn’t seem enough for a bit of an outsourced government department and recruitment agency.

    Kev will struggle to maintain his lifestyle if that’s all his wife can bring home.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/therese-rein-sells-ingeus-to-us-company-providence-service-corporation/story-fn5tas5k-1226870942996

  111. April 1, 2014 4:20 pm

    ””””””””””””””
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/01/at-92-i-was-arrested-for-protesting-against-mining-im-glad-i-took-a-stand?CMP=twt_gu

    There were over 300 submissions against the mine,

    and one submission for it.

    But it was approved.”””””””””””””””””””’

    l don`t think this is the so-called democracy bill-ryan and his brothers-in-arms thought they would end up with at the end of their lives, when they set out to defend their nation in ww2. lt must feel disgusting to them, to be continually sold-out by govts that keep looting from the next generation.

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 1, 2014 4:29 pm

    “It’s what real scientists do.”

    As is sadly so often the case in this field, the authors have not archived their data with the journal and it is not avaliable for review. That is not what real scientists do. Hopefully Nature will require them to lodge it. Until they do archive their data the paper should be ignored.

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2014 4:40 pm

    more skulduggery from his lowliness, the dishonourable minister morrison

    Asylum seekers suing Government now face detention centre transfer
    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2014/s3975757.htm

    …ELEANOR HALL: The Immigration Department is planning to move asylum seekers who are taking legal action against the Federal Government from Sydney to one of the country’s most remote detention centres, just a day before their case returns to Court on Friday.

    …Yesterday they were told that they were being moved on Thursday. They’ve been told to pack no more than 20kg of luggage for the plane ride. The rest of their belongings will be forwarded later.
    Immigration lawyer Michaela Byers represents 15 asylum seekers pro-bono in the claim for automatic protection.

    MICHAELA BYERS: Detainees have already had their mobile phones removed from them, so they are now unable to communicate with anyone before their removal to Curtin, and they will not be able to communicate to anyone when they are in Curtin as well…

  114. April 1, 2014 5:00 pm

    ”””from Sydney to one of the country’s most remote detention centres”””

    ”””’their mobile phones removed from them”””

    this is why l don`t swallow the `red-underbed` bullshit TB,

    the modern `gulag` builders and operators are no longer ussr/russia-fed,

    but it is us in Aust, and our `dearest` allies teh-usa, and the destination is no longer `Siberia`, but a `remote-island`, and none of it Gilligan`s fault.

  115. egg permalink
    April 1, 2014 5:01 pm

    ‘…and fixed.’

    I didn’t know that. Could you supply a link and put it up in the back room?

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2014 5:56 pm

    this is why l don`t swallow the `red-underbed` bullshit TB,

    Its nothing to do with reds under the bed – commie/socialist/Trotsky outbursts are affecting you (its now the 21st century!) … in fact the British Government built some of the first concentration camps, just another name for gulag … and of course the Nazis had a few …

    Putin is like Abbott … tends to live in the past … Putin wants the “glory” days of the USSR back … I hear the Russian PM is going to the Ukraine and Russian troops have been ordered back from the border … hopefully somebody(ies) gave Putin either a bullocking or pointed out the folly of his ways …

  117. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2014 6:04 pm

    warren mundine vs andrew bolt

    http://www.nyunggablack.com/#!Blog-Wars/c24s7/B56DB92C-4AAA-4727-9F42-5BC83CCC18E2

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2014 6:22 pm

    Medibank Private sale ‘tantamount to theft’, says founder

    …“When I started as the original general manager of Medibank Private on October 1, 1976, I got an advance of $10 million from the Treasury,” he said. “In the early 1980s that [money from Treasury] was totally repaid. “The government can’t sell something it doesn’t own – I can’t get anybody to understand and it irks me.

    “No government money is invested in the organisation.

    “It can’t be described as anything other than theft.”…

    …Mr Williams said the benefits should flow through directly to customers who had paid money to Medibank Private. “Instead of paying the money to government they should be reducing [members’] premiums,” he said…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/medibank-private-sale-tantamount-to-theft-says-founder-20140328-35nat.html#ixzz2xcJYWYjg

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 1, 2014 6:46 pm

    I will make sure I request this day off

  120. April 1, 2014 6:52 pm

    ””””Putin is like Abbot””””’

    disagree strongly, Mr-Rabbit is an upper-class lick-spittle that has `talked` largely bullshit and slid into office, largely propelled by a corporate-media campaign, and doesn`t have a true `fan-base` of his own,

    Comparing Mr-Rabbit to Vlad is nonsensical, in the tough-guy stakes, Vlad is the real deal, has got his hands `dirty` doing the behind-scenes work, and does have his own true `fan-base` because of this, of course he is `tough`, brutal etc l also wouldn`t claim Mr-Rabbit is `smarter` than Vlad either. Our `guy` is a big pretender.

  121. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 7:15 pm

    Could you supply a link and put it up in the back room?

    I’ll bet you still can’t answer the original question though.

  122. Jherek Jagged permalink
    April 1, 2014 7:16 pm

    I will make sure I request this day off

    I reckon our media are already booking their days off now so they have an excuse not to report this one 😉

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2014 8:51 pm

    Our `guy` is a big pretender.

    Neither of them are “leaders” … both destroyers … one more dangerous than the other …

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    April 1, 2014 9:20 pm

    Most of the cuts appear to be among the lowest paid workers, with the number of employees earning between $40,000 and $70,000 a year declining by 6000 in the second half of last year.

    In the same period, managers earning in excess of $100,000 a year increased from 25,792 to 27,547.

    Nothing changes … except governments … and ideology … more shiny arses managers always helps (like to check their quals.) … especially in nursing and fire-fighting and policing …

    No brainer?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/public-service-commission-workforce-profile-shows-public-sector-shrunk-by-15414-since-lnp-won-power-in-queensland/story-fnii5v6w-1226870707142

  125. April 2, 2014 12:13 am

    “Hemlock?”

    Haha…poor Socrates…

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 2, 2014 9:33 am

    Meanwhile-

    • CFMEU Mining Division is investigating its Vic president about misuse of funds
    • $1.25mill fine imposed on CFMEU
    • Rumours about deregistration of the CFMEU
    • Martin Ferguson continues to talk about the unsustainability of CFMEU settlements
    • David Feeney is talking about the need to “rebalance” the union/ALP relationship

    Who’d have thought it?

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 2, 2014 10:32 am

    Maybe the ALP could rebalance by giving bikie gangs formal voting rights instead of having to use unions like the CFMEU as proxies.

    There is too much power and influence, too many spoils of office to be had for there to be much change in the union control of the ALP, as the election of Shorten demonstrated.

    Once the link is cut, paradoxically, the ALP is likely to become more leftist as the right-wing unions will have less clout.

  128. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2014 9:03 am

    Richo on the best liar he ever met:

    The three-month sentence handed down to Thomson will, if served (Thomson has lodged an appeal), be unlikely to lead to any self-introspection. Thomson has shown no regrets, no contrition, no remorse.

    Despite the mountain of evidence against him, Thomson seems to be one of those people who can reinvent history to place themselves as the innocent victims. Who can forget the tearful speech he made in parliament? The former member for the NSW central coast seat of Dobell accused others in the HSU of setting him up with prostitutes and stealing from him.

    Many MPs are now suggesting Thomson should be brought before the Bar of the Parliament for the lies and libels he put forward. What they don’t understand is that Thomson was telling the truth as he believed it to be. He believ­ed in every sentence he uttered.

    To the best of my knowledge, I have only met Thomson once, in March 2010. I had contacted him and asked for a meeting after becoming aware of some of the evidence against him amassed by The Sydney Morning Herald in its preparation to defend the paper against a defamation action Thomson had mounted against it.

    As a lifelong supporter of the ALP, I could see the damage he might do to the party and hoped to limit it. Given the extent of the evidence collected at that stage, I could not fathom just how Thomson had possessed the gall to sue when he was clearly guilty of using the union’s credit card for the services of prostitutes.

    We met for coffee in the Sydney CBD and as I listened to his denials I realised two things. Firstly, he was the best liar I had ever met — and, given the life I have led and the characters I have come across, that was a huge call. Secondly, I could imagine him passing a lie-detector test as the passion for his own version of real­ity was boundless.

    I began by telling him that the day of the visit to the brothel had been a bad day for him. Three of the girls and the madam had given statements in which they identified Thomson.

    He responded earnestly that he had never been to that particular brothel and that all of the women were lying. Someone was no doubt paying them to blacken his name but he had no doubt he would eventually establish his innocence. His confidence did not suffer the slightest dent with this first thrust.

    There was to be no let-up for Thomson, as I informed him it must have been a very bad day because the brothel had an imprint of his credit card.

    His response was instant. No time for thought was required as he informed me that the credit card had been stolen. He did not know at what point the card in question had been nicked, but nicked it had been, nonetheless.

    He did not know who had done the dirty deed but he had enemies within the union so determined to bring him down that they would stoop to any low to achieve their evil aims.

    If you thought he would be somewhat taken aback or shaken by the revelations of statutory declarations from the girls, or the existence of an imprint of his credit card, you would be sadly mistaken. The signature on the card had of course been forged — his signature, he claimed, was relatively easy to copy.

    I thought there might have been the slightest hesitation when I told Thomson it must have been a very, very bad day because the brothel madam had also produced a copy of his driver’s licence. Apparently she had insisted and he had complied.

    By this time, the facade was almost ready to crack, but he gathered himself and blithely informed me the licence had also been stolen. His wallet was easily accessible in his office.

    Then came the “gotcha” moment. I told him it must have been a very, very, very bad day because they must have stolen his mobile telephone as well.

    His demeanour changed when I informed him that the SMH had evidence of three calls from his phone being made to the brothel from his mobile on that terrible day and that they could be traced from the central coast, down the freeway and into the city of Sydney.

    At this point he blinked, but batted on. It must have been stolen as well, was the claim that followed, though not with the same confidence as before.

    I then delivered the coup de grace — and I am certain I was the only person to ever see him run up the white flag. “At least the day got better that night,” I told him, “because the bastard who stole the phone gave it back to you.”

    “How do you know that?” he asked. I told him that he had resumed normal calls himself that evening and it was all over.

    “I can’t explain that,” were the words from this exchange that I can never forget.

    The towel having been thrown in, he agreed to make sure his solicitor would ring the SMH’s solicitor and seek to have both sides walk away. This call was to happen on the following day.

    In fact, the call was made six to eight weeks later, but it was not the call I expected. The SMH’s solicitor was presented with a demand for $20,000 and a front-page apology.

    Thomson had merely used the intervening period to develop a defence on the vexed issue of the use of his mobile. His defence reached into the fanciful, weird and wonderful. That new technologies had been used to manipulate his phone would be the claim, once all of the rest of the material on him would have been revealed.

    I had warned Thomson that unless he settled the case with the SMH he would be bankrupted and unable to sit in parliament.

    He was always going to be pursued and convicted in the criminal courts, but it is a great shame for the ALP that Thomson failed to act sensibly on the one moment of clarity he ever had on this matter. He was responsible for the waste of hundreds of thousands of dollars of Labor money, because in the end the party paid the bill to keep his vote in the parliament. You can lead a horse to water …!

  129. egg permalink
    April 3, 2014 5:24 pm

    Farage is building a People’s Army.

    He said: ‘This is our country. It is a very good country. It is a country that developed the principle of parliamentary democracy. it has been given away through a whole series of lies and deceit. Let’s take back control of our our borders.

    ‘Let’s stop giving £55million a day as a membership fee of a club we don’t need to be part of. Let’s free ourselves up. I know the people are behind this. Come and join the People’s Army. Let’s topple the establishment that led you into this mess.’

    Mr Farage went on: ‘I said yes to these debates. I thought you would honestly make the pro-EU case. By saying 7% of our laws are made in Brussels, you are wilfully lying to the British people about the extent to which we have given away control of our country and our democracy and I’m really shocked and surprised that you would try and do that.’

    Mr Clegg countered: ‘I don’t think in a debate like this, Nigel Farage, you should start making things up to make a point.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595391/Clegg-turn-fire-dangerous-Farage-admiring-Putin-defending-Assad-chemical-weapons.html#ixzz2xnka9xJ8
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  130. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 3, 2014 5:32 pm

    Daivd Cameron, when asked what his favourite joke was, replied “Nick Clegg”. A few more Clegg jokes here. A few are funny.

    Farage is an interesting character. Haven’t made my mind up about him.

  131. egg permalink
    April 3, 2014 5:48 pm

    All he has to do is present a strong opposition on a range of issue and if the debates see him winning, then the Establishment will have to adjust their outmoded thinking.

  132. egg permalink
    April 3, 2014 7:54 pm

    “Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society… then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them… We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.”

    Karl Popper

  133. egg permalink
    April 4, 2014 6:28 pm

    Fairies discovered in Lancashire

    ‘A university lecturer is claiming to have photographed fairies flying through the air in the British countryside.

    ‘John Hyatt, 53, says his series of photos which were taken over the past two years prove the tiny winged creatures do exist in the Rossendale Valley, Lancashire.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2596119/Away-fairies-University-lecturer-claims-photographed-real-life-tiny-tinkerbells-flying-air-British-countryside.html#ixzz2xtsT69LH
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  134. TB Queensland permalink
    April 4, 2014 7:08 pm

    sb’s, posts are becoming more and more like Farnham Bears … I just whizz past the c&p’s …

    Fairies discovered in Lancashire

    Why the fk are people so gullible … this site is becoming like a café extension for older folk … and Dickheads … living in Never Never Land

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119095/

  135. egg permalink
    April 5, 2014 7:51 am

    Never Never Land

    ‘Nigel Farage believes the war on drugs has been lost and Britain should look at legalising them – including heroin.

    ‘The UK Independence Party leader made the highly controversial claim that Portugal, where drugs were decriminalised 12 years ago, may have a ‘more enlightened’ approach.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597099/Criminalising-drugs-not-helping-Farage-calls-Britain-follow-Portugal-HEROIN-not-illegal.html#ixzz2xx7e6OjG
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  136. egg permalink
    April 6, 2014 9:43 pm

    ‘Nigel Farage is on course to take the Commons by storm by winning a seat in next year’s General Election after his success in the televised clashes with Nick Clegg.

    ‘A poll for The Mail on Sunday in Folkestone, where the UKIP leader is considering standing as an MP in 2015, shows he could easily win.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2597958/Farage-storms-seat-Commons-winning-publics-verdict-TV-debate-Clegg.html#ixzz2y6b2gc6k
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  137. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 10, 2014 10:35 am

    An interesting article on piracy and The Game of Thrones.

  138. Walrus permalink
    April 10, 2014 10:50 am

    “”Nigel Farage is on course to take the Commons by storm by winning a seat in next year’s General Election after his success in the televised clashes with Nick Clegg.””

    If anyone would like to sample what it’s like to live in Eastern Europe fly into Heathrow and stay in Paddington in Central London.

  139. egg permalink
    April 10, 2014 4:08 pm

    Glad you mentioned that, the plan is to move the English out of the cities.

    ‘Tens of thousands of homes will be hit by a reformed ‘mansion tax’ shortly after the general election under Liberal Democrat plans.

    ‘Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, unveiled proposals to introduce higher council tax bands to take in properties worth more than £2 million.

    ‘But nine in ten of those forced to pay the extra levy would live in London and the South East – in houses rather than mansions – thanks to soaring property prices.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2601174/Our-mansion-tax-raise-1-2bn-say-Lib-Dems-Danny-Alexander-unveils-partys-plans-bands-properties-worth-2million.html#ixzz2yScnzxrw
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  140. Walrus permalink
    April 10, 2014 4:36 pm

    “….‘Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, unveiled proposals to introduce higher council tax bands to take in properties worth more than £2 million….”

    Well there are only 3 things that you can actually “tax” as such.

    They being Gross or Net Income (PAYG and Company Tax) , then Expenditure (call it GST , Sales Taxes plus Stamp Duty) and finally Assets

  141. Tony permalink
    April 10, 2014 4:44 pm

    Interesti……….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  142. egg permalink
    April 10, 2014 4:45 pm

    Not sure of the fundamentals, but this caught my notice.

    ‘…according to figures from property website Zoopla, more than a third of the 82,269 houses that are worth more than £2 million are in a single London borough – Kensington and Chelsea.

    ‘A further 31 per cent are in the boroughs of Westminster and Camden.’

  143. egg permalink
    April 10, 2014 5:07 pm

    Back home we see a similar phenomenon.

    ‘We need the Chinese. But the growth of the Chinese middle class has been so explosive, and on such a scale, that it has the capacity to affect Australia in ways that will need to be controlled if some trends continue to accelerate. Notably home buying.

    ‘There has never been a lower percentage of first-home buyers in the Australian market.

    ‘They have never had to pay and borrow more to enter the market. Especially in Sydney and Melbourne, where first-home buyers now represent a tiny segment of the market, where traditionally they had been about 20 per cent. This is not culturally healthy.’

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/cashedup-chinese-are-pricing-the-young-out-of-the-property-market-20140309-34f9k.html#ixzz2ySryg0L4

  144. Walrus permalink
    April 10, 2014 5:11 pm

    “”Interesti……….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz””

    LOL

    If they suddenly announced a quadrupling of Council Rates in South Yarra that would get you interest quick smart

  145. Walrus permalink
    April 10, 2014 5:13 pm

    Non resident Chinese (Insert Any Foreigner) can only purchase new builds

  146. April 10, 2014 5:53 pm

    ”””””””””first-home buyers now represent a tiny segment of the market, where traditionally they had been about 20 per cent. This is not culturally healthy.””””””””””

    this is part of the stuff l bitch about dumpty, peak home-ownership has passed, allowing foreigners to `over`price/bid homes is only part of problem, the trashed employment conditions are the most damaging, as it is creating the `failure-to-thrive` scenario which eventually drags down people who should be succeeding in life, to giving-up, going on welfare/crime/drugs, etc

  147. April 10, 2014 6:00 pm

    Sweet Jesus – I find myself in complete agreement with Teabag Frenzy…

  148. Tony permalink
    April 10, 2014 6:04 pm

    😯

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2014 6:49 pm

    Credit where it’s due: 13 years of Paul Keating between 1983 and 1996 set Australia up for a quarter of a century, so far, of recession-free growth.

    He was 20-30 years ahead of his time, and now the rest of the world has had to accept that microeconomic reform is the way to go.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-10/kohler-following-keatings-lead-on-reform-finally/5378090

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If anyone would like to sample what it’s like to live in Eastern Europe fly into Heathrow and stay in Paddington in Central London.

    Been there done that, Wally … however, I’m not sure that it’s like living in Eastern Europe, having visited there too????

    Mayfair (London) was an eye opener too, Little Lebanon!

    BUT!

    The sweetest sound is still the wheels hitting the tarmac on any of Australia’s airport!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Sweet Jesus – I find myself in complete agreement with Teabag Frenzy…

    Me too …

    … I like the logic and disagreements on this blog … ideology is losing its grip here again (for the majority) …

  150. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2014 6:54 pm

    “Credit where it’s due: 13 years of Paul Keating between 1983 and 1996 set Australia up for a quarter of a century, so far, of recession-free growth.”

    Unproven and unprovable.

    But it is what you want to believe. To bad Hawke/Keating had no good economic numbers to brag about in their 13 years in power.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2014 7:01 pm

    Unproven and unprovable.

    You didn’t read the article …

    … ideology is losing its grip here again (for the majority) … Mmmmm

    And Paul Keating had no economic qualifications at all …

    http://primeministers.naa.gov.au/primeministers/keating/fast-facts.aspx

    That should please some people here …

  152. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2014 7:08 pm

    Like i said unproven and unprovable.

    All i gained from that article is that Kohler is a Labor supporter.

  153. egg permalink
    April 10, 2014 7:27 pm

    ‘Non resident Chinese (Insert Any Foreigner) can only purchase new builds’

    Mostly off the plan and perhaps spare land for new builds, in Britain its open slather at the top end, so Kensington, Chelsea, Westminster and Camden will soon become prime real estate for the Chinese market.

    Andrew Robb says a sticking point of the FTA is that the Chinese want greater access to Australian land and they also want state run businesses to enter the Oz market. Not reds under the bed, more likely infrastructure building up front.

  154. egg permalink
    April 10, 2014 7:54 pm

    ‘Prime Minister Tony Abbott has raised the prospect of China ­investing heavily in Australian ­infrastructure during a meeting with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang in which he argued both countries would benefit from increased foreign investment as a consequence of a free trade agreement.

    ‘Australia is likely to offer China the same deal as it gave Japan and South Korea – an increase in the foreign investment scrutiny threshold from $248 million to $1.08 billion for a private entity. Mr Abbott relayed to Premier Li that Australia needed Chinese money to help build roads, bridges and other infrastructure.

    ‘In return, China would have to allow increased Australian investment, ­especially in the areas of financial services, banking, education, health and aged care, as well as increased access to agriculture.

    ‘These are proving to be sticking points in the negotiations.’

    Phillip Coorey / Fin Review

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2014 8:30 pm

    The main thing i remember about Keating is this

    Sept-Dec 1991- 10.1, 10.0, 10.2, 10.4
    Jan-Dec 1992- 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 11.2
    Jan-Dec1993- 10.9, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 10.8, 11.0, 10.8, 11.0, 10.7, 10.9, 10.8, 10.6
    Jan-April 1994- 10.4, 10.3, 10.3, 10.1

    30 months of double digit unemployment. And in 1993 Keating was PM and won an election with unemployment at 11%. Only the ALP could go to an election with double digit unemployment and win.

    So i have always said facts are irrelevant. People believe what they want to believe.

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2014 8:45 pm

    All i gained from that article is that Kohler is a Labor supporter.

    And your loss …

    And in 1993 Keating was PM and won an election with unemployment at 11%.

    And that demonstrates a youthful ignorance … ’cause you obviously weren’t out of long pants then …

    The Liberal Party and the Labor Party have fkd this country equally … some of us who’ve been around a bit longer than you realise that …

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2014 8:46 pm

    So i have always said facts are irrelevant. People believe what they want to believe.

    And you certainly do, Kneel … you certainly do …

  158. egg permalink
    April 10, 2014 8:47 pm

    ‘it is creating the `failure-to-thrive` scenario which’

    Unemployment has passed its peak in this cycle and is falling everywhere except South Oz. In a free market environment (set to boom) you can get reeducated or remain at the bottom of the heap. Your choice.

  159. April 10, 2014 8:50 pm

    The main thing i remember care to concede about Keating ( Australia’s most successful economic reformist treasurer by way of legislative legacy as opposed to rhetoric ) is this

    Nothing

    So i have always said facts are irrelevant.

    Well that speaks for itself, this is confirmation of your Lemming support and unbridle love love for Rabbit and Dolt..you’re addicted to fairy tales. Dont let the facts get in the way of your denial Kneely

    People believe what they want to believe.

    Yep you are a complete wingnut

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 10, 2014 8:57 pm

    “And that demonstrates a youthful ignorance … ’cause you obviously weren’t out of long pants then

    I was actually unemployed then. I was one of the 11% along with lots of other people..

    Fact is if the Coalition was in power with unemployment at 11% they would lose the election. And Labor supporters would never let Coalition supporters forget it. They still go on about the time when Howard was Treasurer under Fraser and we had 3 or 4 months of DD unemployment.

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2014 8:57 pm

    … you can get reeducated or remain at the bottom of the heap. Your choice.

    So what are you studying, egg … you keep talking about TAFE courses?

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    April 10, 2014 9:03 pm

    I was actually unemployed then. I was one of the 11% along with lots of other people..

    That explains a lot of your angst … but it is still misdirected … the world economy was in a state of flux …

    I’d still support Alan Kohler’s take on the long term economy that yours …

    Credit where it’s due: 13 years of Paul Keating between 1983 and 1996 set Australia up for a quarter of a century, so far, of recession-free growth.

  163. egg permalink
    April 10, 2014 9:06 pm

    Nothing at the moment, but over the past decade I’ve been in and out of TAFE a few times. The dole office says get educated or get work, or you’ll be in big strife.

    It doesn’t matter what you do, just enjoy. Last time I did a Communications course, only discovering six months down the track that half the class were forced there by the courts for law breaking. One day the beak even turned up for a chat.

    They were a lively crowd, but they all cleared out when their time was up.

  164. April 10, 2014 9:32 pm

    ”””””””””””you can get reeducated or remain at the bottom of the heap. Your choice.”””””””””’

    statement of a true moron dumpty, there is plenty of folks with uni degrees doing low-paid junk-jobs, l suggest the next restaurant and retailer you go to, ask the waiter or shop-assistant if/what quals they have, same for petrol stations, cafes, and other places of part-time work, night-stackers at supermarkets,

    1-””your choice”” totally moronic dumpty, your choice, try company`s choice not to offer full-time employment, it is as stupid as saying the `rape-victim` deserved-it.

    2- re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-trained, does not help in most cases, people often choose an industry to work in coz of some `talent` or `interest` in that industry, when that industry goes, all the re-re-re-re-re-re-re-training doesn`t amount to much as they don`t have any `experience` or other type of quality, which always leaves most out in the cold when it comes to getting the job, remember too, those that do re-re-re-re-train will require a way to finance their life while they re-re-re-re-re-train too, but unfortunately, until the odds improve, the latest #80,000 jobs that are going/or-gone will be 1/3 will get similar or better employment, 2/3 will be worse off.

  165. egg permalink
    April 10, 2014 10:01 pm

    You miss the point, reeducation is for fun and hopefully one day you may get paid for doing what you like to do. It doesn’t matter whether you find work, becoming a full time student is a job in itself.

    ‘When the industry goes…’

    Yes, but it can’t be helped, they need to retrain or become irrelevant. A drop in living standards might be expected for awhile or perhaps permanently, depending on skills and opportunity.

    ‘2/3 will be worse off’

    And these characters run the risk of falling into the underclass and nihilism.

  166. April 10, 2014 10:12 pm

    ””””””””””’I’ve been in and out of TAFE a few times. The dole office says get educated or””””””””””

    dumpty, you provided the perfect working example,

    clearly, the `education` aint cuttin`it, you aint gettin`any brighter,

    ”””’get work”””

    it would do you the world of good dumpty, get out and about, meet a wider range of people, you might even learn something from their experiences that you didn`t expect from a job,

    having a job that makes you think for ya`self somewhat couldn`t hurt either dumpty, you might build up some common sense and resistance to bolt and no-longer sound like an ipa-approved bill-board

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2014 10:22 pm

    So Teabagz laments that there are plenty of educated people working as waiters etc Then remarkably says that (re)education is without value.

    Remarkable logic yet again.

    I can only add ########

  168. April 10, 2014 10:44 pm

    Well yomm, we could round-up every `dole-ee` and put`em in a re-re-re-re-re-re-education gulag for several years, at the end they are `qualified-brain-surgeons`,

    but unless, at the end, there is the jobs for those masses of `brain-surgeons`, then yes, it would be a waste of resources, both money wasted, and their time wasted

    (l notice you like to troll from`ya cubicle, but fail miserably at joining the conversation in a meaningful manner, at least dumpty makes an effort from time to time)

  169. egg permalink
    April 10, 2014 10:46 pm

    Get educated, meet people and start up a very small business. Climb out of the underclass and leave anomie behind.

  170. egg permalink
    April 10, 2014 10:50 pm

    ‘at least dumpty makes an effort from time to time’

    Its not my portfolio, but I don’t mind lending a hand.

  171. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2014 10:51 pm

    ####nothing worth reading @10.44###

  172. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2014 10:55 pm

    #######except that apparently education is a waste of money, unless the educated can walk straight into a career, rather than just obtain employment#####

    ####non-teabagz pov####

    ####apparently####

  173. April 10, 2014 11:07 pm

    re-re-re-re-training for re-re-re-re-training`s sake, is a waste, and l am unsurprised `our` teabags are not bright enough to want to look deeper into this, as the `education`union are big alp funders and thus, have the clout, but alas, `our` teabags would rather troll for a`gotcha` instead of have clever discussion #stoopid #teabags

  174. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 10, 2014 11:09 pm

    ###non teabagz make irrational and inconsistent comments and are then unable to justify them###

    ###stooooopid non teabagz############

  175. April 11, 2014 1:45 am

    re-re-re-re-training for re-re-re-re-training`s sake, is a waste, and l am unsurprised…..

    Speaking of that, I am looking at some part time teaching gigs. So I’m fine to lecture Masters, Grads, Honors and undergrads at any Uni in Australia…yet if I want to teach at tafe, I need to do a cert 4 (min pre req year 10), My mate has been a chalkie at at high school for 16 years with a BE and dip ed and she needs to do it…
    Dunno seems a bit stupid to me 😦

  176. egg permalink
    April 11, 2014 7:10 am

    ‘Dunno seems a bit stupid to me’

    Probably because its skills based there are no entry requirements for the qualification. Its essentially training people to become teachers.

    A fellow I know, a first class mechanic, did Cert 4 and is now teaching ‘small engines’. The money is fabulous.

  177. egg permalink
    April 11, 2014 7:20 am

    ‘Hockey has intensified speculation the government will raise the retirement age or crackdown on eligibility for the Age Pension, warning that a sustainable budget will involve winding back entitlements that are taken for granted.

    ‘In a speech in Washington, the Treasurer said that over the next decade spending on the Age Pension was projected to increase by about 70 per cent as the population aged.’

    Maher / Oz

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2014 8:41 am

    Its essentially training people to become teachers.

    The real difference is that its designed for trainers not teachers … and focuses on competency based learning rather than education … (there is a different learning approach between education, training and development)

    I have a BBus. HRD and required a Cert IV to actually register to deliver it when it was first legislated (I was an RTO from 1992 to 2006) … my RPL took all of ten minutes …

    And Tbag … I’m afraid, egg, has the right approach … quals do help in the search for employment … if nothing else it tells a potential employer you have got off your arse to make the effort … even a generic course in small business practice can be of value …

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2014 8:57 am

    “Credit where it’s due: 13 years of Paul Keating between 1983 and 1996 set Australia up for a quarter of a century, so far, of recession-free growth.”

    This is essentially correct, although Keating went off the rails a bit at the end. When Labor took office in 1983 we had just endured the disaster of Whitlam and the appalling big-government conservatism of Fraser.

    The essential reforms Keating introduced were also introduced by Labor in NZ and by Thatcher and Reagan in the US. It was a case of economic ideas whose time had come and it got the world out of a slump.

    One great thing Keating did was introduce capital gains tax, removing an important distortion from the economy. Howard brought in the CGT discount. Hockey should make the minimum holding period 10 years instead of 12 months. It is only supposed to apply to long term gains anyway.

    He should also get rid of negative gearing for property investments. There are two benefits obtained from the investment – rental income and capital growth. Limiting the deduction to the amount of the rental income seems a fair apportionment of the interest expense.

    He should also ensure that there is a CGT disposal of property passing under a will. This will not have the same political and administrative issues as a death duty.

    The family home exemption from CGT should be capped at twice the national average home price.

    Hockey should also get rid of the “Packer” exemption for foreign trusts which exempts foreign trusts set up under a will from having their income attributed to Australian residents.

    The beneficial tax treatment of super should also be capped.

  180. Walrus permalink
    April 11, 2014 9:01 am

    “….if nothing else it tells a potential employer you have got off your arse to make the effort …”

    Yep…………..The first thing you have to do is stop feeling sorry for yourself and take control. Go and become a great barista if you feel upto it.

    Seems to me that Teabag Frenzy thinks the World owes him a living and he can clock off at age 65 and have everybody else pay for his Aldi groceries.

  181. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2014 9:24 am

    “Credit where it’s due: 13 years of Paul Keating between 1983 and 1996 set Australia up for a quarter of a century, so far, of recession-free growth”

    Unproven and unprovable.

    It takes arrogance to say the good economic numbers from 1996-2007 where due to the previous govt. May be right or maybe wrong.

    From what i remember unemployment was high for 13 years and at the end Keating lost control of the budget. We lost our AAA rating under Labor, deregulation of the banking industry lead to several bank failures and govt debt went from 5% of GDP to 18%.

    but it is still misdirected … the world economy was in a state of flux …

    Typical ALP supporters statement. Bad economic numbers when Keating/ALP is in power is due to world condition. Bad economic numbers when the Coalition is in power is due to mismanagement.

    We had 30 months of double digit unemployment under Keating. Nothing like it since the Great Depression.

  182. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2014 9:34 am

    I have an economics degree (from a good university) with some post graduate qualifications. I really don’t think I use the content of the education much, all it does is provide an indication that I had the staying power to finish a university course.

    My first “professional” job was with a union (though I was a fairly mature entrant into “professional” work), there was little in that job that involved graduate level economics.

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 11, 2014 10:03 am

    Neil, the reforms Keating introduced as Treasurer were absolutely essential to Australia’s subsequent propserity. Fraser had the opportunity to implement them but he didn’t try. While Reagan and Thatcher were getting on with it he was still increasing government expenditure and ignoring the pressing economic problems. He was thrown out of office because he had made little progress over a long period of time in doing what he was elected to do – clean up the mess after Whitlam.

  184. egg permalink
    April 11, 2014 10:33 am

    ‘The first thing you have to do is stop feeling sorry for yourself and take control.’

    That’s true in theory, but a poorly educated person may remain in a holding pattern forever, at great cost to the taxpayer. They cannot take control if they lack the vision of a better life, a purpose for being, and as a consequence they live in a depressing slump full of bitterness.

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2014 10:36 am

    He should also get rid of negative gearing for property investments.

    A long term argument I absolutely agree with … its the cause of most of the housing problems today … and a case of the rich getting richer at the expense of the poor … mostly middle class wannabe Robber Barons … subsidised by the people …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I really don’t think I use the content of the education much, all it does is provide an indication that I had the staying power to finish a university course.

    I understand that feeling and it is a real one … many grads end up far removed from their quals … but it does demonstrate an intellectual capability …

    … my own case was a little different … I applied for a mature age degree (no HS just a trade cert) but it was also an in-service – you had to be working in a training and development role … we celebrated winning a place …

    … I wanted to work for myself and I’d decided at 36 that I was going to make training my career … so, I wanted to be the best … studied at TAFE for four years and then UniSA was the only uni offering a degree in training at the time and by distance ed which suited me – I travelled a lot for work … and The Minister wouldn’t let me start my business till I graduated – that last year just dragged!

  186. April 11, 2014 11:10 am

    The real difference is that its designed for trainers not teachers … and focuses on competency based learning rather than education … (there is a different learning approach between education, training and development)

    TB yep.. I guess you are right but teaching is teaching… I did do the train the trainer about 15 years ago or so. I guess I will do it and just add it to my list of list. I have thought about doing a PHD ( I actually have two good useful pitches that have not been done) and an attachment to a Uni which usually gives you first dibs on lecturing.

    This is essentially correct, although Keating went off the rails a bit at the end

    Splatter.. you talk sense there mate. Wholeheartedly agree. What most of the hater denialists like Kneely fail to acknowledge is political legacy can only be judged by one thing, completed legislation not rhetorical fairytales. Australia has much to thank Keating for but like all great men who stand above the rest of us, he has his floors. I’m not down will all things Keating but he is one of, if not our greatest PM hands down by virtue of his legacy which others like Howard can only dream of.

    Neil, the reforms Keating introduced as Treasurer were absolutely essential to Australia’s subsequent prosperity

    Pretty much, although the Whitlam mantra is a bit overstated considering the Economic position inherited by Fraser, who lets face it did fuck all economically but let Howard raise the bar of Fiscal and economic incompetencey to stratospheric heights.

    Keating on the Whitlam government: ‘‘In terms of the Labor agenda, this government has left every other Labor government bare-arsed. We have a cabinet which has a degree of economic sophistication which puts the Whitlam government into the cavemen class in economic terms.’’ 1985 SMH

    If Kneely wants to deny history let him bleat, it seems anyone who diverges from his narrow line f terrorgraph vision is a commo lefty.

    This is where I take offense to the parrots that sock puppet, “oh you disagree with me so your a commo leftoid”. As I keep saying to the factually challenged cheer squad of ideology divisional hate, you are being led around by the nose and one day you are gonna wake up and realise its the country not a “Super League” footy match…

    I’m of the middle ground with a sense of social justice and compassion. Those of us that think for ourselves are issue based. I have great reason to disagree and hold Abbott and his cohorts in contempt, history. Labor is far from perfect and nobody with any semblance of intellectual competence pretends it is

    One thing I have learnt qualify after 6 years and two masters in media study is Murdoch has a philosophy of “conditioning to hate” entrenched in his business model of division. I always perceived bias but never understood the machinations behind deep agenda. This is not new nor a theory of conspiracy, its just how things work and everything that you digest should be perceived with critical thinking as opposed to ideology.

    I glanced at the front page of the telegraph yesterday with the Carr headline and thought, “nice diversion from the real issues”. Why isn’t the fact that the Pilinja national forest has been fenced so Santos can sink 50 CSG wells for which we cannot possibly understand or measure the long term consequence for generations. I’m outraged as an Australian yet I would be painted as an economically irresponsible greenie or whatever by ideologists pushing an agenda despite being nothing of the sort.

    The old conquer and divide comrades; as we all know faux outrage like sex sells.

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/santos-outlines-environmental-risks-of-narrabri-csg-project-20140404-36355.html

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2014 11:28 am

    “If Kneely wants to deny history let him bleat, it seems anyone who diverges from his narrow line f terrorgraph vision is a commo lefty.”

    I am not denying history. I am just stating facts. There were no good economic numbers from 1983-1996.

    Furthermore Keating flogged off Comm Bank CSL, Qantas and used the money for recurrent spending not for paying off debt. So his deficits would have been even bigger.

    WE lost our AAA under Hawke/Keating and it took 6 surplus budgets by Costello to get it back.

    I am even starting to worry about Keatings Superannuation reforms. I no longer salary sacrifice because it was a Labor invention and most probably end in disaster.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2014 11:37 am

    … and an attachment to a Uni which usually gives you first dibs on lecturing.

    The difference between competency based training and uni lecturing …

    Uni rules are that you must have a qual higher than the subject you are lecturing in …

    VET ANTS policy is that you must have equal or higher plus the latest Cert IV in Training & Assessment …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am even starting to worry about Keatings Superannuation reforms. I no longer salary sacrifice because it was a Labor invention and most probably end in disaster.

    BOO!

    The world will not tread water with you, Kneel …

  189. April 11, 2014 11:41 am

    Yeah Costello is a real star 🙄 Labor invention? Kneel you are an A grade Wingnut incapable of divorcing an issue from conditioned ideology. You know the first rule of Zombie mythology?, take out the brain 🙄

  190. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2014 11:50 am

    “Yeah Costello is a real star

    Yep he certainly was. He paid off $96B of govt debt he was handed and started up a $80B Future Fund for starters. This means he saved $96B +$80B = $176B.

    And you can’t save that much just by doing asset sales.

    By the way Stephen Koukoulas is a pathological liar like Craig Thomson. That link you gave me the other day by SK is totally wrong.

    Costello’s enemies like to make out he only ran surplus budgets because of asset sales. Not so. Asset sales were not put into the budget as revenue. Costello had about $80B of asset sales and $100B of surplus budgets meaning he saved approx $180B.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2014 12:41 pm

    So many holes not worth the argument …

    … pity the Mining Boom is over and the war in Afghanistan is coming to an end – thanks Mr H …

    its all in the timing isn’t it … Abbott takes credit for deals in Asia … how many decades of work went into that?

    Sir Noddy Newman takes credit for Anna bLies gov’t infrastructure …

    No-one ever stops to consider the planning, start up, resource management and timeframe of these projects …

  192. April 11, 2014 12:46 pm

    Boo…

  193. egg permalink
    April 11, 2014 1:24 pm

    ‘….and everything that you digest should be perceived with critical thinking as opposed to ideology.’

    Strongly agree.

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2014 1:25 pm

    So … Kneel … tell me again why people want to live in the USA?

    “Patriot” citizen militia groups from all over the US — loose organisations deeply mistrustful of central government, many of them dedicated to using weapons to defend their perceived rights to freedom — are warning that the clash in dusty Nevada could become a landmark “liberty” flashpoint.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/dispute-between-rancher-cliven-bundy-and-authorities-escalating-with-the-presence-of-militia-groups/story-fndir2ev-1226880626677

  195. egg permalink
    April 11, 2014 1:38 pm

    ‘Abbott takes credit for deals in Asia … how many decades of work went into that?’

    But failed to clinch it because the timing wasn’t right. The car deal with Japan couldn’t have happened before now, which opens up more of their market for our agricultural products.

    China is a much harder nut to crack, Abbott wants their infrastructure capabilities to start building before the next election, but 99% of that sector is state owned. How to get around this problem?

  196. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2014 1:49 pm

    pity the Mining Boom is over”

    I don’t think you are right (as usual). Here are the commodity prices

    http://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/frequency/commodity-prices/2014/icp-0314.html

    They have dropped a bit from the boom years under Rudd/Gillard (2008-2012) but are still higher than they were under Howard/Costello.

  197. April 11, 2014 1:53 pm

    Faux Knight takes Bishop with his pawn egg?

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2014 2:08 pm

    Kneel, we aren’t talking about commodity PRICES (quality) … but the quantity too …

    And the mines themselves …

    http://www.mining.com/declining-coal-prices-to-hit-producers-even-harder-42438/

    And don’t forget jobs and families …

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/mining-and-resources/mining-construction-jobs-to-plunge-by-78000-study-finds-20131215-2zfbg.html

    “pity the Mining Boom is over”

    I don’t think you are right (as usual). Here are the commodity prices

    You must be the only person in the country who thinks the mining industry is doing OK … absofknlutely astounding …

  199. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 11, 2014 2:18 pm

    Your first link showed an almost straight line increase between production and exports. And commodity prices are still high as well as my link showed.

    Whatever. We most probably will never see again the boom years of Rudd/Gillard from 2008-2012. Too bad all that extra revenue was wasted on pink bats, school halls and nothing productive.

    But export levels and commodity prices are still way above the Howard/Costello years.

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 11, 2014 2:35 pm

    That’s true in theory, but a poorly educated person may remain in a holding pattern forever, at great cost to the taxpayer. They cannot take control if they lack the vision of a better life, a purpose for being, and as a consequence they live in a depressing slump full of bitterness.

    they are ‘teh bigots’ that are ripe for cultivation and harvesting by the conservatives and their media megaphones eg bolt, jones, hadley etc. These are the people who have been the losers in our great capitalist society and instead of being supported by a society that should lift them up and assist them, they are attacked as bludgers and no-hopers by the same people and politicians who have allowed them to be beaten into the ground.

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 11, 2014 2:39 pm

    It’s a bit hard to pull yourself up by your bootstraps if you have no boots.

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2014 3:08 pm

    We most probably will never see again the boom years of Rudd/Gillard from 2008-2012.

    How long did you think the GFC actually lasted, Kneel?

    =====================================

    … they are attacked as bludgers and no-hopers by the same people and politicians who have allowed them to be beaten into the ground.

    Yes, KL, its always disappointed me that people who had the “golden upbringing” can’t understand why some people don’t have the same “motivation” …

    The Minister and I have never won big lottos and such (probably because we don’t gamble much either) but we do think we are extremely lucky to have had the wherewithal to take control of our lives and now see the influence we have had on our extended family …

    … nothing beats having a plan … until a couple of years ago I always had a five year plan* … right now we are planning our economic transition as The Minister turns 65 in December … this next budget will be of great interest to us …

    *the unfortunate thing is that the people we are talking about don’t KNOW how to plan … as they live day to day and from wage to wage (having been there I know the frustrations) … and few get encouragement and reinforcement to self improve …

  203. Walrus permalink
    April 11, 2014 3:38 pm

    “”You must be the only person in the country who thinks the mining industry is doing OK “”

    So naturally you are OK with abolishing the Mining Tax then ?

  204. Walrus permalink
    April 11, 2014 3:43 pm

    By the way the Mining Boom has simply entered its production phase. With the exception of Coal (of which their are 2 basic types Thermal and Metallurgical) Iron Ore is doing very well indeed as is Gas (I hope you include that as mining).

    The major job losses you speak of are in Exploration and Construction ( MacMahon Holdings +Leightons + Forge Group + Fleetwood) plus support industries.

    BHP B, Rio, Fortescue+Woodside etc are travelling pretty well

  205. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 11, 2014 4:15 pm

    One of the association’s members, Village Roadshow, is a major donor to the Liberal and Labor parties, according to an analysis of donations by ZDNet.

    The lobby industry owns our politicians and makes a mockery of any supposed democracy. When organisations have that much clout, what hope is there for ordinary people to have the ear of govt regarding their concerns?

  206. egg permalink
    April 11, 2014 4:20 pm

    ‘until a couple of years ago I always had a five year plan* … ‘

    * chuckle *

    It may become fashionable again.

  207. egg permalink
    April 11, 2014 4:25 pm

    ‘BHP B, Rio, Fortescue+Woodside etc are travelling pretty well’

    Any word on Newcrest?

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2014 4:45 pm

    So naturally you are OK with abolishing the Mining Tax then ?

    It kicks in when a company makes $75 million … it collected a minimal amount … I can’t see why people get their knockers in a knot … it has harmed no-one … if a company makes bumper profits then they get to share those profits with the owners of the raw resource US …

    By the way the Mining Boom has simply entered its production phase.

    But markets and jobs are slow … you can’t just switch exploration on and off its a major part of the industry and production jobs are falling … a lot of “construction” is still on hold (my son/I/ law is a mining project manager so I know where you are coming from re “production” – his company has just reduced his office from 250 to half a dozen, in 12 months … I still have contacts in the Bowen Basin mines and they are all still nervous … the Galilee Basin the great white (chuckle) hope for coal … but rail and port infrastructure still need to be developed more … and markets improve … India looks good …

    I am familiar with the types of coal, Wally, probably stood on more of it than you have … and been surrounded by it – longwalls … 😉

    Wouldn’t call it a boom tho’ … that was my original call …more like tricklin’ along …

    This is not an isolated story …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-09/services-industry-adapts-to-end-of-mining-boom/4807474

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/commodities

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    When organisations have that much clout, what hope is there for ordinary people to have the ear of govt regarding their concerns?

    Mmmm I thought that the other night watching the CEO of the Jewish Lobby on Lateline … and then rehashed with Malcolm Turncoat last night (didn’t he get himself tied up over the NBN … reminded me of Hewson and a birthday cake …) and then Turncoat says … “Mr Brandis didn’t say people were allowed to be bigots … it was just misunderstood ”

    TRANSCRIPT …

    MALCOLM TURNBULL: Well, the views about 18C – and you flagged this earlier in the program – are very, very widespread. I’ve just come from speaking to an audience of 1,000 people out at Parramatta – the Harmony Day dinner, from people representing every ethnic group, every multicultural group in this wonderful multicultural city of ours here in Sydney, a wonderful city and a wonderful multicultural nation. And I can tell you a lot of people from every conceivable background raise this issue with me. It is a very hot topic and it is not a – there isn’t a Jewish opinion on it; there is very wide concern about it. We share – all of us share those concerns. The Government is united in its opposition to racism and bigotry and discrimination.

    TONY JONES: Well not quite united on the question of bigotry, evidently, because the Attorney General himself says that people have the right to be bigots. Is there a generalised right to bigotry?

    MALCOLM TURNBULL: Well, I think his – I think that’s – I think his remark was perhaps misunderstood or misinterpreted.

    TONY JONES: Well it certainly wasn’t taken out of context because the context was absolutely clear.

    MALCOLM TURNBULL: Well, look, rather than – George Brandis is not a bigot and he doesn’t condone bigotry, but he is very committed to free speech and what he is seeking to do in this exposure draft – now this is not – this is – this – these amendments have been put up for public consultation. So, this is not a bill that we’re about to introduce into the Parliament. We are seeking views and we’ve had a lot of them and I can run you through what the common views are. I mean, the …

    What a fkn idjutt …

  209. Walrus permalink
    April 11, 2014 5:26 pm

    ” … you can’t just switch exploration on and off its a major part of the industry and production jobs are falling … “”

    I’ll call BULLSHIT on that

    Of course you can

    To turn switch to “Öff”

    Elect the ALP !

    🙂

  210. April 11, 2014 5:31 pm

    Keyboard has died again… Another quality chinese knockoff 😦

  211. Walrus permalink
    April 11, 2014 5:38 pm

    “”… India looks good … ”

    No doubt Egg will make a comment upon this but if Sri Lanka is a microcosm of an example of the bureaucracy (left by the British) and general distrust they sem to have for each other than I can assure you India does not look good.

    India ain’t no China

  212. April 11, 2014 5:44 pm

    TB””””””’And Tbag … I’m afraid, egg, has the right approach … quals do help in the search for employment … if nothing else it tells a potential employer you have got off your arse to make the effort … even a generic course in small business practice can be of value””””””””””””
    .
    .
    dumpty”””””””””””You miss the point, reeducation is for fun and hopefully one day you may get paid for doing what you like to do. It doesn’t matter whether you find work, becoming a full time student is a job in itself.””””””””””””””’
    .
    .
    TB, your bullshit detector has just let you down badly.
    Fluffy-ducks words, are the words of a career welfare Limpet, or somebody who has given-up and is now just `aping the motions` that the system demands. No amount of re-re-re-re-training`quals` will shift dumpty off her arse and onto her feet supporting herself. This is just `busy` work, that shows the govt/dept is `busy` and dumpty is `busy` and nobody is to blame, even tho all this `busy` work will largely end-up producing zero.

  213. Walrus permalink
    April 11, 2014 6:00 pm

    To that I’d say……………………**&^^%*$$*#%@@@&$%(%))^)^&&_^)%^($$#%%#W^%&

  214. April 11, 2014 6:03 pm

    ””””””””””””””’if nothing else it tells a potential employer you have got off your arse to make the effort”””””””””””””””’

    this is meaningless mealy-mouthed management speak l would always expect for our teabags, but TB diminishes himself by repeating it,

    #5,000 to #10,000 jobs will be lost from qantas, aircraft trades and engineering is highly, highly skilled, to claim they `never-got-off-their-arse` is not a statement l would make, and as l said, TB diminishes himself with it,

    the re-re-re-re-training they do does NOT show they `got-off-their-arse` either, l would suggest doing their trade has already proved this, just not to those whose knowledge goes no farther than their own `cubicle` walls

    even a generic course in small business practice can be of value

  215. April 11, 2014 6:12 pm

    ”””’even a generic course in small business practice can be of value”””

    ”””’even a generic course in X can be of value””” particularly for those receiving `coin` for [hosting] the course, collecting the fees, making a profit, and even for the dept in helping fudge unemployment numbers,

    those being re-re-re-re-trained #not-so-much

  216. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 11, 2014 6:14 pm

    aircraft trades and engineering is highly, highly skilled, to claim they `never-got-off-their-arse`

    That is a reasonable description of the aircraft industry, the training is padded to industrial/classification reasons and the content is spoon fed to them.

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    April 11, 2014 6:25 pm

    India ain’t no China … sorry, Wally forgot the sarc* again … my expectations too high … 😉

    That is a reasonable description of the aircraft industry, the training is padded to industrial/classification reasons and the content is spoon fed to them.

    … it does help to stop Australia serviced planes crashing tho’ … now as for the CEO and the board – they seem to agree with you … do you even own a n oil can? Could you identify one? If I posted a few pictures?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tbag point taken …professionalism clouded my judgement of particulars rather than generalities …

  218. egg permalink
    April 11, 2014 7:04 pm

    InfrastructureInfrastructureInfrastructure

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/11/abbott-says-chinas-state-owned-enterprises-welcome

  219. April 11, 2014 7:25 pm

    haha dumpty, that is really quite funny,

    the zombies don`t want to own assets Federally, are squeezing NSW to flog-off their electrics, but don`t mind how much stuff the China-Govt owns, this is really twilight-zone logic

    #if-we-can`t-beat-the-teabags-we-should-sell`em-to-China

  220. egg permalink
    April 11, 2014 7:52 pm

    I hear they’ll be looking for Australian Coolies to work on fast rail.

    “We now appreciate that most Chinese state-owned enterprises have a highly commercial culture. They’re not the nationalised industries that we used to have in Australia,” Abbott said.

    Kitty’s revolution has arrived.

  221. egg permalink
    April 11, 2014 7:58 pm

    Friday Not So Funny

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-04/11/content_17427825.htm

  222. egg permalink
    April 12, 2014 6:48 am

    ‘ASYLUM-SEEKERS processed in Nauru could be resettled in Cambodia under an ambitious regional arrangement being negotiated by the Abbott government.

    ‘Under the plan, still in its embryonic stages, more than 1000 refugees could be given a new home in Cambodia. Immigration Minister Scott Morrison said if a deal was clinched with Cambodia, it would potentially apply to all asylum-seekers held on Nauru and Christmas Island.’

    Paul Maley / Oz

  223. egg permalink
    April 12, 2014 6:16 pm

    Wish I could get onto AIMN, they are headlining Chomsky.

  224. April 12, 2014 8:02 pm

    ””””’Wish I could get onto AIMN””””

    Yes dumpty you do, as do other Tinfoilers like yomm does,

    (but they don`t seem to need tinfoil lids on their coffee-cups)

    here is some `off-site` tinfoilers for your amusement,

    http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/yc6b8/read_it_here_firstexplosive_new_evidence_proves/

  225. April 12, 2014 8:14 pm

    #they `never-got-off-their-arse`

    That is a reasonable description of the aircraft `cubicle` industry,

    the training `chair` is padded to industrial/classification reasons `and swivels`

    and the content `limited knowledge` is spoon fed to them.

  226. April 12, 2014 8:49 pm

    So I said to this owl – “I’ve just got engaged, and he said “you-twit-to-who”…

  227. April 12, 2014 8:57 pm

    LOL , talkin`ta owls, stay off #twitter, you will only enrage our tinfoilers

  228. egg permalink
    April 13, 2014 5:31 pm

    Putin is threatening to cut off gas supplies to Europe and then there is this….

    BRUSSELS, April 11. /ITAR-TASS/.
    ‘Ukraine estimated Crimean offshore gas resources at $40 billion, Ukrainian parliament-appointed Energy Minister Yuriy Prodan said in an interview to Brussels Euractiv media.

    “We have lost important areas on the Black Sea shelf. We estimate the losses at $40 billion as possible revenues from extraction of shale gas in Crimea,” Prodan said.

  229. egg permalink
    April 17, 2014 9:51 pm

    ‘Losing interest in hobbies and other activities in old age could be an early sign of dementia, say scientists.

    ‘A US study found that elderly people who were apathetic but not suffering depression had shrinking amounts of grey and white matter – neurons in the brain that control memory and communication respectively.

    ‘Researchers say the findings offer doctors a new tool with which to identify a group of the population at risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2606348/Apathy-old-age-early-sign-dementia-Study-shows-losing-hobbies-mean-Alzheimers.html#ixzz2z8wx4yWz
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  230. egg permalink
    April 17, 2014 9:59 pm

    Odd Tilts Could Make More Worlds Habitable

    ‘Pivoting planets that lean one way and then change orientation within a short geological time period might be surprisingly habitable, according to new modeling by NASA and university scientists affiliated with the NASA Astrobiology Institute.

    ‘The climate effects generated on these wobbling worlds could prevent them from turning into glacier-covered ice lockers, even if those planets are somewhat far from their stars.

    ‘And with some water remaining liquid on the surface long-term, such planets could maintain favorable conditions for life.’

    Tony Watts

  231. April 17, 2014 10:16 pm

    More `shiny` things that attract dumpty, just like tinfoil.

    The `Voyagers` took some 16/17-years to leave `our` solar system.

    Nasa chatter of `other` planet migration is about justifying their budget.

    How much bone/muscle waste occurs to humans in space-stations.? #Teabags

  232. egg permalink
    April 17, 2014 10:20 pm

    95% of Huffpo readers want to legalise cannabis.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/17/drug-legalization-poll_n_5162357.html

  233. egg permalink
    April 18, 2014 7:36 am

    ‘Nasa chatter of `other` planet migration is about justifying their budget.’

    They must remain relevant, but it would be far better if all Earthians had clean drinking water as a priority.

    ‘For decades astronomers have been searching for a world like our own outside the solar system that could host alien life.

    ‘And now astronomers have announced that they have found one – a planet 1.1 times the size of Earth orbiting a star just 490 light years away.

    ‘Called Kepler-186f, the planet is the first to be discovered with the right conditions for liquid water to exist on its surface, meaning it could support alien life as well.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2607079/Have-finally-EARTH-2-0-Astronomers-discover-planet-support-ALIEN-LIFE.html#ixzz2zBIp3yEE
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  234. egg permalink
    April 18, 2014 12:47 pm

    First World Infrastructure Problem

    ‘There is no polite way of saying this. The M5 is a bitch. She is a bitch to me in the mornings and again 10 hours later. She awakens every bit of emotion in me five days week. I try and avoid her on weekends because she is just as annoying then as well.’

    Lillian Saleh / Daily Terror

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