Here is a famous person…. Who is it….?

April 2, 2014 5:48 pm

Obama…

April 2, 2014 5:51 pm

Can we have a hint eg nationality and occupation?

3. April 2, 2014 6:04 pm

Born in England, and has a distinctive voice.

April 2, 2014 6:05 pm

Does he punch walls?

April 2, 2014 6:07 pm

“Born in England, and has a distinctive voice.”””

Barry Gibb

April 2, 2014 6:08 pm

David Robert Jones

April 2, 2014 6:10 pm

“Born in England, and has a distinctive voice.

Julia Gillard!

8. April 2, 2014 6:15 pm

Ian Macfarlane!

9. April 2, 2014 6:22 pm

l have no idea, tho he doesnt look like a monkee Davie.

10. April 2, 2014 7:14 pm

Lord Monckton. Heh heh…

April 2, 2014 7:53 pm

Bowey

April 2, 2014 7:59 pm

Ian Macfarlane! Tut tut … Jummy! you know who it is …

Here is a famous person…. Who is it….?

Not to be picky but shouldn’t it be … who is he? OK I’m being picky …

Is the Folk Music Album up for grabs?

13. April 2, 2014 8:05 pm

Its the real Davey Jones…. the thin white Duke

April 2, 2014 8:06 pm

Yep

April 2, 2014 8:09 pm

Found him …

A clue … last name starts with the same letter as mine …

Don’t want to give it away, Sreb … unless there’s a CD of course!!! 😆

April 2, 2014 8:10 pm

Obviously some don’t have the same sense of fun ..

April 2, 2014 8:30 pm

A clue … last name starts with the same letter as mine …

So it’s TB!

April 2, 2014 9:23 pm

Dusty Springfield?

(Or maybe Ziggy Stardust.)

April 2, 2014 9:29 pm

So it’s TB!

Gawd forbid …

http://www.famouswiki.com/image/59185/284/david-bowie.html

April 2, 2014 9:30 pm

Apologies Sreb … the tension was too much!

Can we have another one … please …

April 2, 2014 9:57 pm

“Born in England, and has a distinctive voice.

1. TB
2. Tony Abbott

April 2, 2014 10:03 pm

You’ve never heard my voice, ToM, that stuffs up that theory …

… and thanks for including me in a list (not) with, Sir Tones …

… he, er, has, ah, er, a, mm, distinctive, er, voice … or at least way of making up stuff sentences …

23. April 3, 2014 12:36 am

unholyfknshit! 😯 (I like the old pinging emoticon)

Andrew ‘Herr’ Bolt just jumped the mfkn shark!

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/

“Needless to say, your version is not just false and completely at odds with what I’ve written and said privately to several leaders, including Danny Lamm, Yuval Rotem and Colin Rubenstein. It is also extremely offensive, crude and untrue – a play to a racist stereotype of the unreliable goy, a secret anti-Semite, after all, despite all that smiling and backclapping.”

Once again… 😯 [8-0] the old one conveyed the ’emotion’ better.

Anyhow, cry me a river Andrew.

* watch this space, he just called a few people out very publicly! Tremendous sport!

** I should note that, being a longish term student of his calculated output, I nonetheless do not think he is racist or stupid…& much to the chagrin of many of his duller supporters (most of them) he does defend homosexuals now & then & is not a skywizard enthusiast (watching him walk that tightrope without upsetting his ‘base’ is hilarious).

*** shalom, goyim.

April 3, 2014 1:43 am

Haha toilet, the bolt poor bugger me act is hilarious. It’s like he’s trying to force people to defend his version of ‘free speech’. Trying to apply pressure cos he knows the libs are wavering on the RDA due to pressure from minority groups.
He’s showing he really has no idea and also appears to do a lot of wink wink nudge nudge work behind the scenes. Biggest sook ever!
All about saving face for him.

April 3, 2014 6:18 am

Russia banned beef imports from Australia

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/726082

I guess the lesson from this is, don’t make Putin wait.

April 3, 2014 6:36 am

‘The best liar I ever met’

Graham Richardson on Craig Thomson

April 3, 2014 6:45 am

arfa sinodinos or troy buswell?

April 3, 2014 7:00 am

‘Two paintings worth millions of euros by the French artists Paul Gauguin and Pierre Bonnard which were stolen in London in 1970 then abandoned on a train have been recovered in Italy.

‘Gauguin’s ‘Fruit on a table or small dog’ and Bonnard’s ‘Woman with two chairs’ which were taken from a family house in the British capital, were recovered from an Italian factory worker who had hung them in his kitchen for almost 40 years.

‘The Gauguin painting is worth between 10 and 30 million euros (£8million and £24million) while the Bonnard is valued at some 600,000 euros (£500,000), Italy’s heritage police said at a press conference on Wednesday.’

29. April 3, 2014 7:40 am

30. April 3, 2014 7:47 am

Well done to youse who guessed corrected – David Robert Jones aka David Bowie.

April 3, 2014 1:20 pm

Nigella banned from the US, turned away at Heathrow.

April 3, 2014 4:35 pm

Lara Bungle will be the next banning I hope

April 3, 2014 9:10 pm

This fred seems appropriate for my FILM REVIEW of:

NOAH …

The script is shit, the dialogue is shit, the acting is shit, the graphics are shit, the camera work is shit, the costumes are shit, the sound is shit, the editing is shit, even the titles are shit …

I could shoot better on super 8 film!

What a tight budget film … and no I don’t know how much … but it was all wasted

Fallen angels are big rocky transformers crunching about in the wilderness, hilarious …

… you can see repetitive animals clearly in the graphics …

… the story is slow and disjointed …

… a scene showing people forging weapons has the actors wearing – wait for it – badly disguised welders helmets …

… another crowd scene shows them carrying large sheets of corrugated iron …

… in one scene Crowe wears a “distressed” denim jacket … must be a favourite …

These guys don’t know which demographic to aim at so they tried a scatter gun approach part fairy-tale, part bible story, part action, part historic, part animation …

I couldn’t stop looking at my watch … 138 minutes of squirm … thank goodness for the platter and the Chandon!

Worst film I’ve seen in ages …

★☆☆☆☆

April 3, 2014 10:12 pm

What a pity all those who used to agrue the point about union affiliation have self banned from the debate.

Even Fairfax now sees sense…

Bad unions may be Labor’s curse
In castigating the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union this week, Justice Anthony Cavanough recalled the words of former Federal Court judge Ron Merkel, QC, who, in a case involving another union some years ago, said: ”The rule of law in a democratic society does not permit any member of that society, no matter how powerful, to pick and choose the laws or court orders that are to be observed and those that are not.”
Justice Cavanough on Monday fined the CFMEU $1.25 million and entered multiple convictions for its blatant defiance of Supreme Court orders in 2012, when union officials led a series of disruptive protests around Grocon’s Emporium site in central Melbourne. He found the CFMEU had ”knowingly, deliberately and repeatedly” defied court orders for it to cease actions against the building group, and it did so very publicly, calling up to 1200 of its members to the Lonsdale Street site, blocking the city’s streets and triggering clashes with police. The point of the CFMEU’s original protest was the right of union members to choose who would represent their interests on site, a deeply contentious issue with a long history on Grocon sites. But that the CFMEU wielded its power so recklessly, and in such a flagrantly illegal manner, to press a point that amounted to a hill of beans against the great history of the trade union movement is a disgrace on its senior officials. Little has been won, and much has been lost. The CFMEU’s convictions have come when unions generally are under enormous pressure, and this will surely play into the hands of those who want to damage or destroy the union movement. The Abbott government has initiated a royal commission into the financial accountability of unions, and theft and fraud convictions have been entered against two former senior officials of the Health Services Union over misuse of union funds. It should be kept in mind that the sins of officials are not those of union members, but the good being done by many unions is being smothered by revelations of greed and intimidation elsewhere. All this bears badly on the Labor Party. At the heart of the Bracks-Carr-Faulkner 2011 review of Labor was a statement of affirmation that the union movement remains ”at the bedrock” of the party. The benefits of that proud and historic attachment, however, are certainly not as apparent to the wider community as they obviously are to the three Labor statesmen. While the Bracks-Carr Faulkner review pointed to unions as the breeding ground for important policy initiatives, such as superannuation and parental leave, the inescapable fact is that unions have a disproportionate voice within the Labor Party. It is especially disproportionate considering only about 18 per cent of Australia’s estimated 11.5 million workers are union members. There is another issue, though, and that is the risk that the Labor Party becomes tainted, if not infected, by the cultural problems that have permeated some powerful unions. The Age believes Labor must reduce its reliance on unions. We said as much earlier this year and today we reiterate that call. For Labor to expand and flourish as a modern political party, it must adjust dramatically all aspects of its relationship with the union movement so that the ALP becomes a more representative and broad-based party. Labor must face some tough but vital decisions about its future. The logic for severing, or at least reducing, its formal links with the union movement is compelling. Labor’s internal political structure, however, dominated as it is by union heavyweights, renders this nigh impossible. It awaits a truly courageous Labor leader to confront the inexorable fact that the level of union influence over the party is unjustifiable and unsustainable. As long as the inordinate influence of unions remains, Labor’s efforts to modernise and reconnect with the majority of Australians will be problematic at best. (apologies for the lengthy cut & paste) 35. Tony permalink April 3, 2014 10:22 pm Let the record show that Tom of Melbourne was right, and Tim Dunlop with his sarcastic “Unions, Boo!” refrain was VERY FUCKING WRONG! 36. Tom of Melbourne permalink April 3, 2014 10:33 pm Yeah! That’s yet another retraction I’m expecting. 37. April 4, 2014 9:36 am “Teens in Asian countries ranked smartest for problem solving according to OECD study” Yeah, but ask them to fix you a stiff drink and they’re fucked. 38. Walrus permalink April 4, 2014 9:39 am “Yeah, but ask them to fix you a stiff drink and they’re fucked.”” And they cant pour a beer properly either 39. April 4, 2014 10:10 am “And they cant pour a beer properly either” Exactly… All the important life skills. 40. TB Queensland permalink April 4, 2014 2:42 pm BOOZE QUESTION Is Peter Lehmann Drawcard Shiraz, OK … @$21 a 750 bottle?

41. April 4, 2014 2:46 pm

No.

April 4, 2014 2:57 pm

April 4, 2014 3:00 pm

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/qlds-lnp-would-lose-election-held-now/story-fn3dxiwe-1226874414830

Qld’s LNP would lose an election if held now That only took two years … not bad Sir Noddy … and while we are running out of doctors because of a contract dispute … Sir Noddy is off to China …

What a clever little Noddy …

April 4, 2014 3:17 pm

What use is that? That just means you have to drink twice as much crap wine.

April 4, 2014 3:36 pm

OK … thanks, ToM/Sreb … that’s what I was asking … price bothers some people … I just stocked up at Uncle Dan’s and it was a Receipt Offer … Just askin’ …

46. April 4, 2014 3:37 pm

“price bothers some people”

Yeah well you would know! 😉

April 4, 2014 3:50 pm

Just what the World needs…………………………A fucking bionic kangaroo…………………………..

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/engineers-unveil-bionic-kangaroo-20140404-zqqn1.html

Someone fucking beam me up now

April 4, 2014 4:14 pm

TB, a modestly priced wine is Taylors Jaraman Shiraz. It’s mass produced – but doesn’t cause much rasping on the back of your throat.

Dan Murphy or Woolworths have it on special from time to time at about $22 a bottle. Is that a reasonable price point? 49. Walrus permalink April 4, 2014 4:20 pm Perhaps you should move across the border for the NSW Government Wine Assistance Scheme http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-government-paid-to-promote-sales-of-lowcost-wines-to-seniors-20140403-361ha.html 50. April 4, 2014 4:35 pm “Dan Murphy or Woolworths have it on special from time to time at about$22 a bottle. Is that a reasonable price point?”

It would only be a reasonable “price point” for TB if you add the decimal point…

hahahah….

April 4, 2014 5:24 pm

Joe Bullock, the ALP’s no 1 WA senate candidate seems ideal.

A much better prospect than that Louise Pratt, the sooner types like her are drummed out of parliament, the better.

April 4, 2014 5:33 pm

Pensioner self abuse set to skyrocket over the coming decade.

http://clubtroppo.com.au/2014/02/08/the-forgotten-issue-of-drunken-pensioners/

April 4, 2014 5:40 pm

“the-forgotten-issue-of-drunken-pensioners”

April 4, 2014 5:53 pm

Genius link, egg. And this is still very true today:

“Why is it that the professional philanthropist, when he isn’t a self-advertising humbug, is so often an unspeakable ass?”

April 4, 2014 6:01 pm

** chuckle **

April 4, 2014 6:08 pm

Yes, alcohol is wasted on old people, though it should be provided free of charge to blonds and (perhaps) brunettes.

April 4, 2014 6:42 pm

Yeah well you would know!

I actually meant you two rich bastards! 😉

Then I read … It would only be a reasonable “price point” for TB if you add the decimal point…

April 4, 2014 6:48 pm

‘Khat chewing is predominantly a male activity, though women are occasionally involved and, according to some reports, this is increasingly the case in Australia. For example, some women who did not chew khat in their former homeland began to use khat after their arrival in Australia.’

Ninemsm

April 4, 2014 6:55 pm

We could have a topic on “slippery minds” …

April 4, 2014 6:56 pm

jesus christ! You suck my egg and I’ll suck yours … 🙄

April 4, 2014 7:00 pm

‘Khat chewing is predominantly a male activity …

April 4, 2014 7:10 pm

You missed the point of why these women have adopted the habit here. Khat suppresses appetite and, with this obesity epidemic, it crossed my mind that they could put it in tablet form and hand it out to the needy. Particularly the lower classes.

63. April 5, 2014 12:28 am

G U F F A W ! ! !

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/04/rebel-victorian-mp-geoff-shaw-takes-up-the-cry-for-the-unborn

Those Victorians, they’re so cute when they’re trying to help stop the baby jesus from crying.

April 5, 2014 10:31 am

More from the annals of Settled Science: Saturated Fat Completely Safe According to New Big Review of all Science!

April 5, 2014 1:50 pm

Interesting stuff, Tony.

April 5, 2014 10:14 pm

‘The Sunday Telegraph can reveal the cost of the $40 billion-a-year age pension threatens to increase by 80 per cent in the next decade to more than$70 billion.

‘Warning of tough choices in the May budget for Treasurer Joe Hockey, the report calls for a review of the indexation arrangements and asks Australians to work longer ­before claiming a pension.’

Daily Terror

April 5, 2014 10:17 pm

Nice to see-

• Geelong beat Collingwood
• Dos beat Tigers
• Eagles beat St Kilda

It’s only a pity Hawthorn beat Fremantle

April 6, 2014 8:43 am

“When you come to a fork in the road, take it!” ~ Yogi Berra

April 6, 2014 10:03 am

You may recall I commented on this story a couple of days ago …

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/are-fairies-real-man-claims-to-have-captured-mythical-creatures-with-his-camera/story-fnjwkt0b-1226875058310

I was watching a recording of QI last night and they were discussing the anopheles mosquito …

Up popped the background photo … check it out at 27:15 …

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/qi/ZX6279A004S00#playing

April 6, 2014 10:23 am

Further to Tony’s earlier comment on food.

‘Three per cent of males and 8 per cent of females in Generation X had diabetes, compared with 1 per cent of males and 3 per cent of females in the baby boomer cohort.

”We’re getting sicker younger,” researcher Rhiannon Pilkington said. ”The increased prevalence of obesity isn’t because we have an ageing population, it’s much more related to our environment.”

‘Ms Pilkington said the marked deterioration in health in just one generation was due to the increasingly sedentary lifestyle that people were leading, the increased consumption of processed foods and the decline in incidental physical activity and sleep.’

April 6, 2014 12:48 pm

Those Romanians have such a great sense of fun! I think they can pay homage to the legacy of President Ceausescu for their sense of humour.

…and I think there is a nearby location that has plenty of candidates for the grannies, though most already seem in a spin.

April 6, 2014 1:55 pm

The kaf crowd have given up on Barrie Cassidy, reckon he’s biased.

April 6, 2014 2:02 pm

Yeah they say Cassidy is too right wing and favors the Coalition.

Cafe people think that anybody that does not praise the greatness of the ALP 24/7 is a right winger.

If you spend any time on Bolt they say the opposite, Cassidy is too left wing and favors Labor.

I must admit i hate the ALP and its supporters. Truth for them depends on who is in power.

If Gillard was doing what Abbot is doing they would say she is a great PM

April 6, 2014 2:38 pm

Very weird election in WA …

I reckon they feel like most of us here … ie WGAF … they’re all Fuckwits™

Looks like PUP will gain another senator …

Go Clivey!

April 6, 2014 2:58 pm

‘Looks like PUP will gain another senator …’

This will eliminate the need for a double D election.

Go Clivey!

April 6, 2014 3:01 pm

Go Clivey!

Since TB supports Clive, I can only assume Clive is an idiot.

April 6, 2014 3:10 pm

Clive is rich and fatuous, but apart from that ….

April 6, 2014 5:09 pm

Since TB supports Clive, I can only assume Clive is an idiot.

er, Kneel, wrong on the first point … right on the second …

Liberal supporters are hopeless when it come to humour, satire, irony, sarcasm and cynicism … but then Madam Speaker was nonplussed with “infectious laughter” in the Chamber …

This will eliminate the need for a double D election.

Or not …

April 6, 2014 5:18 pm

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/honey-maid-responds-to-homophobic-trolls-with-love/story-fnizhakg-1226876009590

“Imagine”

Imagine there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today…

Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…

You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world…

You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
And the world will live as one

April 6, 2014 6:02 pm

‘Or not …’

Clivey said PUP would support the Conservatives in the dismantling.

April 6, 2014 6:25 pm

April 6, 2014 6:30 pm

Clivey said PUP would support the Conservatives in the dismantling.

More wishful thinking … prove it …

ToSY – if you are going to whack up obtuse Youtube offerings at least tell my why I should bother clicking the big ararra … otherwise you are just wasting my time … and its extremely limited … is there some relevance to this thread?

April 6, 2014 6:31 pm

I missed that, egg .. “the dismantling” of what FFS!

April 6, 2014 6:32 pm

“Cafe people think that anybody that does not praise the greatness of the ALP 24/7 is a right winger.

That is entirely true Neil. Their behaviour is similar to that of junkies, they crave a hit (of conflict) and but hate those who supply it to them.

It’s quite unlike the humorous civility here.

April 6, 2014 6:43 pm

Maybe Sir Noddy did get the Qld Police of their shineys … if he came to power 26 March 2012 … unless my maths are shonky ( they usually are – that why I married a book-keeper) … then the LNP have proved that cops were sitting on their arses … and this is a welcome shake-up … credit where credit is due …

Just saw this, ToM, It’s quite unlike the humorous civility here.

Just a pity not all the commenters get that … the “humour” has diminished somewhat … I miss that …

April 6, 2014 6:55 pm

“is there some relevance to this thread”

Guffaw. Has any of the crap you’re talking about got anything to do with David Bowie’s picture? At least mine’s music-related. Speaking of which …

Video explains the world’s most important 6-sec drum loop:

April 6, 2014 6:59 pm

The Amen Break and the Golden Ratio

http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/Amen%20Break%20and%20GR.html

88. April 6, 2014 7:05 pm

“Has any of the crap you’re talking about got anything to do with David Bowie’s picture?”

Hear Hear!

April 6, 2014 7:19 pm

‘I missed that, egg .. “the dismantling” of what FFS!’

A couple of taxes.

April 6, 2014 7:25 pm

‘More wishful thinking … prove it …’

‘Mr Palmer has three senators, as well as an ally in the Motoring Enthusiast Party and has indicated he will support the repeal of the carbon and mining taxes.’

April 6, 2014 7:29 pm

(I do “sincerely” “apologise” for “wasting” 2 minutes and 49 seconds of TB’s “valuable” time, though. 🙂 )

April 6, 2014 8:32 pm

Has any of the crap you’re talking about got anything to do with David Bowie’s picture? At least mine’s music-related.

In the your own words … get fucked!

(I do “sincerely” “apologise” for “wasting” 2 minutes and 49 seconds of TB’s “valuable” time, though. 🙂 )

And get fucked again dickwit!

93. April 6, 2014 8:40 pm

I am never posting a comment on this site again. Hijacked by cockheads. Where are you, moderator Reb? Fuck this, sick of deleting stupid comments, up your arse with a shard of glass…

April 6, 2014 8:49 pm

“And get fucked again dickwit!”

Sir Dickwit, to you. 😆

deanyz1 seems nice. 🙄

April 6, 2014 9:18 pm

Yes, good point deanz1

April 7, 2014 9:20 am

“up your arse with a shard of glass…”

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………….

Dems fightin’ words’…………………Ouch !

97. April 7, 2014 9:48 am

“I am never posting a comment on this site again”

Poor us.

April 7, 2014 10:03 am

I for one am grateful for Tony’s most interesting music links.

99. April 7, 2014 10:37 am

David Bowie understands

April 7, 2014 10:40 am

‘I for one am grateful for Tony’s most interesting music links.’

Yes, but they’re not as prolific as Nasking’s. He used to load up with about 50 clips in quick succession.

What a marvellous career he had, until it was cut short.

101. April 7, 2014 11:59 am

“What a marvellous career he had, until it was cut short.”

That, was my fault, apparently.

I single-handedly destroyed his career in journalism (with a bit of help from TB, I think)…

I managed to upset his wife too. And she doesn’t even know me….!

April 7, 2014 12:09 pm

What a marvellous career he had, until it was cut short.””

Whatever did happen to him. Did he fall out with the fuckwits over at the Café ?

103. April 7, 2014 3:27 pm

I am never posting a comment on this site again.

April 7, 2014 4:43 pm

On tight arse Tuesday, a reevaluation for Tony. h/t Splatter

April 7, 2014 5:38 pm

*****MOVIE REVIEW AND COMMUNITY SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT*****

Went and saw Noah at Gold class over the wekend.

It can best be described as Dr. Bob Brown meets the Transformers and goes on a P&O Cruise with his thoroughly pissed off family of desperado hornbags on a floating zoo with homicidal maniac also on board

A few scenes of of Sharknado would not have been out of place and would have greatly improved the cinematic experience.

In Summary it is CRAP

106. April 7, 2014 5:53 pm

“In Summary it is CRAP”

I think that was TB’s conclusion aswell.

A girl at the office told me it was “shit” today too.

107. April 7, 2014 6:01 pm

chalk up 93 year old Mickey Rooney

108. April 7, 2014 6:02 pm

lm still waiting for you Betty White

April 7, 2014 6:36 pm

I single-handedly destroyed his career in journalism (with a bit of help from TB, I think)…

Personally, I think we did the nation a favour … well, at least the blogowhatsit …

=====================================

In Summary it is CRAP

Wally, did it strike you as a low budget film with – what should have been – top actors?

I got the impression that Russell Crowe needed to top up his bank account at our expense … an awful production … BTW, your description is spot on …

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

deanyz1, seems … erm … er … different … does he/she/it comment here?

April 7, 2014 6:56 pm

Noah sounds like my kind of film

April 7, 2014 6:58 pm

Mickey Rooney and Bugs Bunny are my favourite actors

112. April 7, 2014 7:03 pm

Some unknown tv film-critics recently told me Rustys Noah wandered too far away from the original fable and will displease the dog-follower audience, the segment that should enjoy it,

being based on dog-fables, it was never going to attract the non-believer segment in any great numbers anyway,

while Rusty is a reasonable actor, and knows how to hurl a phone,
he is no Charlton Heston.

April 7, 2014 7:05 pm

‘deanyz1, seems … erm … er … different … does he/she/it comment here?’

He doesn’t feel like a sock puppet.

April 7, 2014 7:33 pm

Free trade deal with Japan went well.

115. April 7, 2014 7:58 pm

Mickey Rooney and Bugs Bunny are my favourite actors

You must vote Liberal, theres no discerning difference

Doesn’t look like even the great Talents of Rusty can salvage Noah’s shipwreck. More fucked than Souths during Rupey’s Superleague fiasco. I guess most of the best stuff from the worlds most overused fairytale book are used up, they should write a new one for some new material.
Maybe Clive and Rupert could come up with a new version sent on Clives Love boat.

Free trade deal with Japan went well.

Yeah what is it they are gonna export here again? Fukushima glowsticks? Radioactive waste? Corruption? Debt? Denial? Whale steaks? Flipper burgers? Industrial relations? Corporate slavery? Remind me…

April 7, 2014 8:04 pm

“Remind me…”

Cars, electronics, Manga …

April 7, 2014 8:35 pm

‘Yeah what is it they are gonna export here again?’

Not sure, a lot more cars is a cert.

April 7, 2014 8:37 pm

Cars, electronics, Manga …

Sorry, ToSy, all taken – S Korea and China … with a touch of Germany and – surprise, surprise – the good ol’ USofA …

Manga?

http://www.mangahere.com/

April 7, 2014 8:40 pm

Not sure, a lot more cars is a cert.

That’ll be interesting with over 60 brands to choose from now … might start a price war?

April 7, 2014 8:43 pm

Tariff Wall to come down a little.

Robb ‘pointed to a looming reduction in car prices for Australian consumers as a consequence.’

Murphy / Guardian

April 7, 2014 8:52 pm

“Sorry, ToSy, all taken – S Korea and China … with a touch of Germany and – surprise, surprise – the good ol’ USofA … ”

Hmmm. Toyota, Mazda and co will be surprised to hear it. “:Australia currently imports $6.8 billion worth of Japanese cars a year. The axing of tariffs will be immediate on the deal being ratified later this year for 75 per cent of cars, with the remainder becoming tariff within three years.” As will Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba, Sharp, Hitachi ,and so forth. http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/australia-signs-free-trade-agreement-with-japan/story-fnda1bsz-1226877025550 122. TB Queensland permalink April 7, 2014 9:14 pm The axing of tariffs will be immediate on the deal being ratified later this year for 75 per cent of cars, with the remainder becoming tariff within three years.” You mean the conclusion of the Button Plan (sort of) My comment re 60 brands mean that Japanese marques will still be hard pressed … a global market means global pressure … I still can’t work out why we have an FTA with the Yanks … how does that benefit Oz? 85% of the items I try to buy online from the USA “can’t ship to Oz” … 123. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 9:27 pm So, we’re all agreed: Australia imports a lot of stuff from Japan. And the FTA will make that stuff cheaper for consumers. So that’s a good thing, right? 124. April 7, 2014 10:01 pm Yes Teabagosy, it must be a good thing coz Mr-Rabbit told you so, but you are also willfully blind to raising retirement age, work till yadrop, that is welded to that trade agreement to dump. 125. Tom of Melbourne permalink April 7, 2014 10:08 pm you are also willfully blind to raising retirement age, work till yadrop… People can retire whenever they like. They just can’t claim the old age pensions when they’re still middle aged. Do you think really 65 year old women or men are elderly and beyond working? 126. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 10:09 pm Incoherent, as usual. 127. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 10:11 pm HotAirbag of Gibberish. 128. Walrus permalink April 7, 2014 10:11 pm “Wally, did it strike you as a low budget film with – what should have been – top actors?” TB I agree I didn’t think the CSI was all that good and where the fuck did the “Watchers” come from. I don’t remember that shit from my Catlick upbringing . It was just looooooong and bizarre. 129. April 7, 2014 10:15 pm over-paid types that reside in cubicles with paper-cuts being their greatest danger, can pick or choose their retirement age, those of us that do real fcuking yakka yomm, can be pretty fcuking buggered before said retirement age, and pushing it higher is a cnut act by Mr-Rabbit, we aint all over-paid, and we all aint cosy in a cubicle 130. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 10:21 pm “those of us that do real fcuking yakka” don’t want cheaper stuff, because … MR-RABBIT! 131. Tom of Melbourne permalink April 7, 2014 10:23 pm Incoherent certainly describes it. …but Teabagz at what specific age are people beyond working? Should everyone just go on welfare on their 65th birthday? Is it good public policy that we encourage fit active middle aged people out of work, and on to welfare for 20+ years? (await incoherent reply) 132. April 7, 2014 10:34 pm ””’Is it good public policy that we encourage fit active””’ suddenly teabags are worried about goodpolicy, well it hasnt been goodpolicy trashing long-term good paid/conditions, Aust jobs, to allow dumping, and more Aust jobs become short-term junk-jobs, so under work-till-ya-drop we wont let any low paid to retire, and not allow space to be made for younger-gen to actually have a job, sounds stupid to me, next you will complain about rise of youth crime 133. April 7, 2014 10:39 pm Yeah thats all good but they moved most of their manufacturing of consumer electronics to land of the cheap and cheerfully exploited plus China own the market they used to have. They dont give a “phoney toney” about copyright. Besides who is gonna address the small inconvenient fact that their economy is running 2/3rd black, the Yakuza and corruption is rife as is tax avoidance…. They are like Greece with neon and work ethic… All blowhole and no whale… Are we going to have geiger counters on the imported stuff with a free Iodine chaser? 134. Tom of Melbourne permalink April 7, 2014 10:40 pm Right, apparently we have to get experienced, healthy middle aged people out of work and on to welfare…because kids need those jobs, and, and, and …think of those kids. Brilliant. 135. Meta permalink April 7, 2014 10:44 pm (True; onshoring cowfarts and offshoring carparts is always a bilateral-exchange net good; and is always cheaper under an Abbott Government!) 136. April 7, 2014 10:54 pm ””’don’t want cheaper stuff, because _ MR-RABBIT!””’ sorry arse-hatosy, you cant give Mr-Rabbit, his zombies or even the alp any credit for cheaper-goods for those at the economic bottom, they were all happy to keep feeding the coles-wooly-duopoly, the real competition and benefits came from aldi 137. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 10:56 pm “Yeah thats all good but they moved most of their manufacturing of consumer electronics to land of the cheap and cheerfully exploitedat the very best.” Oh, so they’re providing jobs to poor people whose alternative is no job, or subsistence agriculture. “plus China own the market they used to have” Not sure what that means. “They dont give a “phoney toney” about copyright.” Maybe they (China, presumably) don’t, but they won’t be able to (legally) export counterfiet goods to Australia. “Besides who is gonna address the small inconvenient fact that their economy is running 2/3rd black, the Yakuza and corruption is rife as is tax avoidance….” Surely that’s a problem for Japanese authorities, not Australian consumers. “They are like Greece with neon and work ethic… All blowhole and no whale…” Not sure what that means, either. “Are we going to have geiger counters on the imported stuff with a free Iodine chaser?” Please don’t worry yourself Ricky. Shouldn’t be a problem: http://www.unscear.org/docs/reports/2013/13-85418_Report_2013_Annex_A.pdf 138. April 7, 2014 10:57 pm yomm, unless you are the boss, your company will chuck you out at the age they deem relevant, you will probably have no say in it 139. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 11:01 pm Economic Illiteratebag of DUMPING! 140. Meta permalink April 7, 2014 11:05 pm (Does dumping include any potential negative environmental externalities apparently unaddressed in the literary rhetoric of freer free trade?) 141. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 11:07 pm “the real competition and benefits came from aldi” Yes. Competition brings benefits. It’s called the market. 142. April 7, 2014 11:14 pm yes meta, l also include the dumping of Laws, environmental, slave/child-labor, public/worker-safety, and any other, that has been dumped in the off-shoring process #our teabags arent bright enough to understand these deeper complications meta 143. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 11:15 pm “any potential negative environmental externalities” are neighbourhood effects, whose control is a legitimate role of the neighbourhood’s government. Whether Australia should shoot itself in the trade-foot because there may or may not be environmental concerns in a trading partner’s sovereign backyard? 144. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 11:16 pm *is another thing 145. April 7, 2014 11:20 pm ”””””””””Maybe they (China, presumably) don’t, but they won’t be able to (legally) export counterfiet goods to Australia.”””””””’ fascinating teabagosy, but plenty of imported food has gotten around our food-safety Laws/regs and all kinds of forbidden additives and ingredients are now in our food-system, #yay for free trade poison yastoopid teabag 146. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 11:23 pm “fascinating teabagosy, but plenty of imported food has gotten around our food-safety Laws/regs and all kinds of forbidden additives and ingredients are now in our food-system” Yes, fascinating. An example would be even more fascinating. 147. April 7, 2014 11:29 pm 1-anything stamped product of NZ, it is a backdoor(not inspected) into Aust, 2-From asia, fish, prawns, lobster, seafood, use out-law conditioner/preservative that is proven cancer causer 148. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 11:34 pm Links? 149. April 7, 2014 11:39 pm Life. 150. Tony permalink April 7, 2014 11:40 pm I’ll take that as a no, then. 151. April 8, 2014 12:06 am or yacould just takeya pick tea-padosy http://www.google.com/search?filter=0&hl=en&num=100&q=seafood+safety+china+cancer (plenty to choose from) 152. Tony permalink April 8, 2014 12:07 am Warning to TB Queensland: DO NOT click on this video. It’s a gratuitous indulgence and might waste 3:47 minutes of your “precious” time. 153. Tony permalink April 8, 2014 12:19 am ‘At the age of seven, [Dury] contracted polio; most likely, he believed, from a swimming pool at Southend on Sea during the 1949 polio epidemic. After six weeks in a full plaster cast in Truro hospital, he was moved to Black Notley Hospital, Braintree, Essex, where he spent a year and a half before going to Chailey Heritage Craft School, East Sussex, in 1951. ‘Chailey was a school and hospital for disabled children, and believed in toughening them up, contributing to the observant and determined person Dury became … From 1964 he studied art at the Royal College of Art under British artist Peter Blake, and in 1967 took part in a group exhibition, Fantasy and Figuration, alongside Pat Douthwaite, Herbert Kitchen and Stass Paraskos at the Institute of Contemporary Arts in London. When asked why he did not pursue a career in art, he said, “I got good enough [at art] to realise I wasn’t going to be very good”.’ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Dury 154. April 8, 2014 12:21 am oh arse-hatosy, another deluge of data you couldnt find http://www.google.com/search?filter=0&hl=en&num=100&q=frozen+nz+vegetables+toxic+pesticides 155. egg permalink April 8, 2014 7:04 am A reminder to teabag that exporting healthy food to China is our duty to humanity and nobody in their right mind would eat frozen vegetables packaged in the land of the long white cloud. 156. egg permalink April 8, 2014 7:13 am ‘Fewer than one in five young people in remote indigenous communities are fully engaged in work or study, bolstering the Abbott government’s push for a radical shake-up of welfare and housing rules. ‘The Australiancan also reveal that the chairman of Tony ­Abbott’s indigenous employment review, mining magnate Andrew Forrest, is about to hand his final report to the Prime Minister, calling for an overhaul of welfare rules that mean Aborigines lose their subsidised housing in ­remote communities if they take jobs.’ Karvelas / Oz 157. April 8, 2014 7:21 am What about David Bowie? 158. Tom of Melbourne permalink April 8, 2014 9:09 am Schapelle Corby admitted her guilt and said the fateful 2004 drug run that saw her locked up for 10 years was actually her fourth trip to Bali as a courier, according to fellow Australian prisoner Renae Lawrence. Lawrence, one of the Bali Nine heroin couriers, has also alleged in an interview broadcast on the Ten Network that Corby faked mental illness to get a shorter sentence — a tactic that worked. I really just can’t believe that Our Schapelle was guilty, she was framed. 159. April 8, 2014 9:18 am “she was framed” It’s just another blatant attempt to smear the Corby family’s good name. When will these vultures ever stop? 160. Splatterbottom permalink April 8, 2014 9:25 am “What about David Bowie?” David Bowie’s first release was a boring self-titled album. While participating in a group exhibition the Royal College of Art Bowie was offered some well-meaning musical criticism. He was set upon by a demented fellow exhibitionist and severely beaten with a rhythm stick. He took this lesson to heart and his career as a space oddity took off. 161. Splatterbottom permalink April 8, 2014 9:26 am The bigger outrage is that Schapelle will not be paid for this information! 162. TB Queensland permalink April 8, 2014 10:08 am So, we’re all agreed: Australia imports a lot of stuff from Japan. And the FTA will make that stuff cheaper for consumers. So that’s a good thing, right? ToSY, after looking at it I do think the FTA will be good for us … seriously … in fact now we’ve managed to stop the Japanese eating carrying out research on whales we should be able to sell ’em more beef … to fill the gap – so to speak … The FTA does look OK tho’ … proof will be in the pudding … BTW, I actually said, “… otherwise you are just wasting my time … and its extremely limited …” *** – you decided to change it to “precious”, precious … why do people put words in my mouth – constantly … *** a sarcastic reference to certain comments just lately … 163. TB Queensland permalink April 8, 2014 10:18 am ‘The Australiancan (sic) also reveal that the chairman of Tony ­Abbott’s indigenous employment review, mining magnate Andrew Forrest, is about to hand his final report to the Prime Minister, calling for an overhaul of welfare rules that mean Aborigines lose their subsidised housing in ­remote communities if they take jobs.’ Does Twiggy have some conflict of interest here? Wouldn’t losing subsidised housing IF they get jobs … discourage people from looking for jobs … IF there is any jobs to be had? Just askin’ … 164. Splatterbottom permalink April 8, 2014 11:13 am “you decided to change it to “precious”, precious …why do people put words in my mouth “ The question is why people put words in Tony’s mouth. His paraphrase was “valuable” not “precious”, precious. 165. TB Queensland permalink April 8, 2014 12:07 pm From ToSY … It’s a gratuitous indulgence and might waste 3:47 minutes of your “precious” time. And I’m sure ToSY is capable of replying himself … 166. Splatterbottom permalink April 8, 2014 12:12 pm Sorry TB. Missed that. 167. Walrus permalink April 8, 2014 12:46 pm “……those of us that do real fcuking yakka yomm, can be pretty fcuking buggered before said retirement age, and pushing it higher is a cnut act by Mr-Rabbit, ………”” Isnt that exactly what Rudd and Gillard did anyways.’ In fact the retirement age for a pension should be somewhat linked to the Nation’s Average Life Expectancy and expected older population. 168. Walrus permalink April 8, 2014 12:48 pm And the assets test should include some value of the private residence above a certain threshold. Plus no seniors benefits for assets more than$1M not $1.2M 169. egg permalink April 8, 2014 12:53 pm Walrus is fair and correct on all points. 170. TB Queensland permalink April 8, 2014 12:57 pm Plus no seniors benefits for assets more than$1M not $1.2M Would that apply to politicians as well? And will Kevvie get a gold card and a pension now that his missus has just made$212 million from a business almost entirely built on government contracts …

In fact the retirement age for a pension should be somewhat linked to the Nation’s Average Life Expectancy

And/or how long they actually work for … I had people who didn’t start work until they were in their mid-twenties telling me I was too young to retire …

My understanding is that there is no asset/income test in NZ … (??)

April 8, 2014 1:31 pm

An old age pension at 65 (or 60 for women) might have made sense when most people died at around that age.

Now people live healthy lives until their late 70s, people aren’t considered elderly until 80+.

Most 65 year olds are fit and active, their self image is that they’re middle aged and often they don’t even yet have grandchildren.

The notion of getting old age welfare during middle age is stupid.

April 8, 2014 1:35 pm

The notion of getting old age welfare during middle age is stupid.””

Teabagz wants to have a bludge in his middle age and allow the rest of society to support him while he buys his cheap groceries from Aldi

April 8, 2014 1:45 pm

“while he buys his cheap groceries from Aldi” 😆

April 8, 2014 1:54 pm

A major stumbling block the concept is employment … many employers have an aversion to people working for them in their fifties and beyond …

Just how long should a person work and how long should they expect to be retired?

Do physical tasks take more of a toll on a human being than sedentary intellectual work?

Isn’t age an arbitrary number … people often act and react in either more or less mature ways than their age indicates … others may be more prone to poor health (both physical and/or mental) … that belies their actual age …

April 8, 2014 1:57 pm

If we are using robots and technology more each day, doesn’t that reduce the work opportunities for people to survive without societal assistance?

What happens after the BBs finally depart the planet?

Just who says that people “should” work ’til they drop?

April 8, 2014 2:00 pm

Your eligibility for Age Pension depends on when you were born.

Women born before 1 January 1949 reach qualifying age at 64 and a half, and women born between 1 January 1949 and 30 June 1952 at age 65.

Qualifying age for men born before 1 July 1952 is age 65.

From 1 July 2017, the qualifying age for Age Pension will increase from 65 years to 65 and a half years. The qualifying age will then rise by six months every two years, reaching 67 by 1 July 2023.

Solution = Increase Superannuation Guarantee contributions to 15% and limit withdrawals to annuities or similar products to deliver an income stream in retirement, not lump sums. Within a generation, pension payments become almost non-existent.

April 8, 2014 2:37 pm

That’s way too easy for pollies (and bean counters to figure out) … I also suggest increasing personal income tax … only those with high disposable incomes favour a GST (ie economists, bean counters and pollies – to name a few) …

Logic seems to play no part in managing the country anymore …

Welcome BTW!

178. April 8, 2014 2:45 pm

“while he buys his cheap groceries from Aldi”

Isn’t that where TB gets his wine from these days…?

179. April 8, 2014 2:50 pm

“An old age pension at 65 (or 60 for women) might have made sense when most people died at around that age.”

What so that no one got it?

By that logic, we should raise it til 90 these days…. *rolls eyes*

Honestly the (eminently fkn stoopid) idea that people should just be able to work into their sixties and seventies is just Liberal party bullshit…

It’s all very well for people who may be employed as doctors or lawyers who can simply do 2 or 3 days of work a week “for the hell of it.”

But to suggest (with a straight face) that a labourer or construction worker should be able to work a 40 hour week in their 60s/70s is utter nonsense…

But of course, it doesn’t affect the “born to rule” mob who’d be sitting at home counting their hundred dollar bills in their velvet slippers drinking cognac and claiming it as a “work expense…”

FFS… *rolls eyes*

April 8, 2014 3:41 pm

“….who’d be sitting at home counting their hundred dollar bills in their velvet slippers drinking cognac and claiming it as a “work expense…”……….”

Not slippers………………..Ugg Boots

April 8, 2014 3:46 pm

“……and limit withdrawals to annuities or similar products to deliver an income stream in retirement, not lump sums”

Disagree

Limited Lump Sums should be allowed on amounts salary sacrificed in excess of the compulsory 9.25% and not allowed at all when the member’s total sum is below $1M 182. April 8, 2014 3:46 pm WORK TILL YA DROP as our teabags cheer Mr-Rabbits reheating of John-Ws work-tillya-drop ideals, and notice our teabags all cheered, historically, work till you drop has been applied, 1-in teh-usa kkk-south, against black slaves, that were worked and beaten to death, 2-in nazi gulags, where jews, pols and gays were starved, worked and beaten to death, #but of course our teabags are not fascists, are they 183. Walrus permalink April 8, 2014 3:48 pm “Honestly the (eminently fkn stoopid) idea that people should just be able to work into their sixties and seventies is just Liberal party bullshit…”” Problem there is 1) Both Parties advocate it 2) Where are you going to get the money from ? 184. Walrus permalink April 8, 2014 3:51 pm “….#but of course our teabags are not fascists, are they….” Meanwhile Reheated Teabag advocates Australia model itself on the successful retirement schemes of Cyprus and Greece 185. TB Queensland permalink April 8, 2014 4:07 pm Isn’t that where TB gets his wine from these days…? Nah! Dan Murphy’s – do keep up … 🙂 186. April 8, 2014 4:11 pm ”””””””””Markhasev wrote: “I shot the nigger …. I went to rob a [drug deal] and obviously found something else. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennis_Cosby ”””””””””””””’ meanwhile blubbers and the rest of our teabags continue to advocate the proven, failed, society model of teh-usa 187. egg permalink April 8, 2014 4:21 pm ‘Limited Lump Sums should be allowed on amounts salary sacrificed in excess of the compulsory 9.25% and not allowed at all when the member’s total sum is below$1M’

That makes good sense too, the lower classes would only squander it on cheap piss and pokies.

April 8, 2014 4:30 pm

ReheatedTeabag is the most humourless, erratic, nonsensical, uncivil, moronic commenter I’ve ever come across on the interwebs, EVER.

(If there was one redeeming quality to mention, I would, but there isn’t.)

189. April 8, 2014 4:43 pm

l am as humorless about poor-bashing, as reb would be equally humorless about p0ofter-bashing.

April 8, 2014 4:44 pm

“………meanwhile blubbers and the rest of our teabags continue to advocate the proven, failed, society model of teh-usa………”

So where are you going to get the money from Reheated Teabag ?

191. April 8, 2014 4:45 pm

“ReheatedTeabag is the most humourless, erratic, nonsensical, uncivil, moronic commenter I’ve ever come across on the interwebs, EVER.”

Allow me to introduce “Catching Up

April 8, 2014 4:54 pm

CU is talking about that plane, with just a hint of political opportunism by abbottabbottabbott.

April 8, 2014 5:10 pm

“……….Vote on carbon bills defeated. Very few senators turned up for the vote. 33 = 29, I believe…………..”

– Catching Up

Very few senators …???????????????????????????

Does that idiot actually know how many Senators there are ?

I don’t think 62 out of 76 is “Very few”…

What an idiot she is

April 8, 2014 5:11 pm

“………the lower classes would only squander it on cheap piss and pokies………..”

No doubt Reheated Teabag would get his cheap piss from Aldi

195. April 8, 2014 5:13 pm

first blubbers, just coz Govts have gutted themselves, refused to stand-up to corporations, and collect enough tax from them, is NOT the fault of the poor,

and any accountant with half a brain in his head would know that the unemployed numbers are fudged among under-employed, thus,

listing the oldies as pensioners, instead of un/under-employed, wont cost a single cent

April 8, 2014 5:20 pm

“……..listing the oldies as pensioners, instead of un/under-employed, wont cost a single cent……….”

Well ……………………FMD……………………someone get me Joe Hockey’s phone number.

Apparently there is no Budget Deficit………………………..its all just a Classification”” problem

Problem fixed……………now tax cuts for all

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197. April 8, 2014 5:24 pm

so blubbers, are you claiming there is not classification-dishonesty in the system

April 8, 2014 5:27 pm

With all your feral #######hashtags######### and ” / ” I and a few others find it impossible to figure out just what you are saying most of the time.

199. April 8, 2014 5:31 pm

thats right blubbers, run you weak thing

April 8, 2014 5:36 pm

“just coz Govts have gutted themselves”

If only! Tax revenue keeps increasing as does government borrowing. Look at projected expenditure and the problem only gets worse. It looks more like governments have over-committed themselves.

All we are doing is spending now in the hope that others will pay off the debt in the future. That may make sense when the population continues to grow quickly, but all Ponzi schemes eventually implode.

Keynes said that we are all dead in the long run. The trouble is that although Keynes is dead, for us his “long run” is looming large. It has already arrived in Greece and the other PIIGS.

April 8, 2014 5:37 pm

Classification of who ? for fucksake

April 8, 2014 5:37 pm

Anyway

Its cognac and Ugg Boot time

203. April 8, 2014 5:42 pm

”””””’Classification of who ? for fucksake”””””

YOU RAISED IT, you stoopid fcuking walrus, scroll up and re-read yaown blubbering

April 8, 2014 5:42 pm

Carlos Slim has an interesting perspective:

Carlos Slim has always had a complicated relationship with philanthropy.

The Mexican billionaire, who Forbes still lists as the world’s richest man, said in 2007 that he could do more to help fight poverty by building businesses than by “being a Santa Claus.”

Mr. Slim’s signature also has been noticeably absent from the Gates-Buffett Giving Pledge. At a conference in Syndey last month, Mr. Slim said that charity accomplishes little.

“The only way to fight poverty is with employment,” he said. “Trillions of dollars have been given to charity in the last 50 years, and they don’t solve anything.”

As for the Giving Pledge, he said: “To give 50%, 40%, that does nothing,” Slim said. “There is a saying that we should leave a better country to our children. But it’s more important to leave better children to our country.”

In a speech in Mexico City Thursday, he reiterated his point that the best way to fight poverty is to create jobs.

April 8, 2014 5:46 pm

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206. April 8, 2014 5:57 pm

you are saying the same thing as me splatter

””Look at projected expenditure and the problem only gets worse.
It looks more like governments have over-committed themselves.””

look at projected income,
govts have under-committed themselves

#coz Govts have gutted themselves

April 8, 2014 5:57 pm

For fucksake Reheated Teabag how does reclassifying anything fix the fiscal cliff caused by an aging population ?

I shall now just reclassify you from bricklayer to customer service……………would you like that……………………#############################

“/”” & ^# @ ( \\\\\\ ?

April 8, 2014 5:59 pm

“…………#coz Govts have gutted themselves…………….”

OK………………………..lets “”reclassify”” the GST and call it VAT and fix it at 15%

There………………..””.reclassification”” does work

April 8, 2014 6:00 pm

“################!!!”

Thats utter ”””””””””””””””’/””””””””””’, and you know it.

#postnormalpunctuation

April 8, 2014 6:01 pm

“look at projected income,
govts have under-committed themselves “

Are you saying that there will be excess income and therefore governments should spend more?

April 8, 2014 6:04 pm

Or are you saying that the under-commitment is that governments have not committed to raising enough tax revenue?

212. April 8, 2014 6:08 pm

well all you teabags reckon classifing over 50s as un-employed, being shoved off to interviews at places that dont want oldies seems to be some kind of answer, (which it aint) and filling in some evidence they tried to work this quarter (for the dole-office) and still end up having to survive on welfare money, but for some reason, you dopey teabags reckon this is good use of the dole-office staffs time, or is some-how cheaper for teh-govt

213. April 8, 2014 6:13 pm

the under-commitment is that governments have not committed to raising enough tax revenue #bingo #yes

the single side of ledger arguments the politicians make, are largely bullshit, who projects expenses, but doesnt project income for matching period, one without the other is a total waste of time

214. April 8, 2014 6:16 pm

“well all you teabags reckon classifing over 50s as un-employed, being shoved off to interviews at places that dont want oldies seems to be some kind of answer, (which it aint)”

HEAR HEAR!

April 8, 2014 6:16 pm

“the single side of ledger arguments the politicians make, are largely bullshit, who projects expenses, but doesnt project income for matching period, one without the other is a total waste of time”

That much I understand. But then what are the limits for revenue side?

216. April 8, 2014 6:28 pm

”””the limits for revenue side?”””

l suppose that is what a particular society will bear. Meaning l suppose, their cultural beliefs.

Take teh-usa, their society has been convinced that unlimited wealth should be squandered on military and space projects for national glory, while at the same time there is lots of homeless and crime, and a national-health program is an antagonistic topic to some.

Other nations can see teh-usa system, use it as a model, or use it as a warning, this is where wisdom comes in.

April 8, 2014 6:31 pm

‘…the best way to fight poverty is to create jobs.’

Its the only rational thing to do, but the complexity is daunting. Take the indigenous population in Australia for starters.

What to do?

April 8, 2014 6:37 pm

well all you teabags reckon classifing over 50s as un-employed, being shoved off to interviews at places that dont want oldies seems to be some kind of answer, (which it aint) and filling in some evidence they tried to work this quarter (for the dole-office) and still end up having to survive on welfare money, but for some reason, you dopey teabags reckon this is good use of the dole-office staffs time, or is some-how cheaper for teh-govt

…and that is a single unpunctuated sentence!

April 8, 2014 6:40 pm

So where are you going to get the money from Reheated Teabag ?

I have a good idea, Wally, but I suspect you wouldn’t like it …

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It looks more like governments have over-committed themselves.

And I agree … gold cards free flights … super superannuation after six years in parliament … but who pays the price – ordinary folk who have probably been more productive in three years …

… as for Greece, I also agree … a nation that avoids tax like the plague … only works from 10am to 3pm and provides pensions (or did) at 50yo is doomed to failure ( a young Greek told me as much in 2010) … not comparable to Oz …

In a speech in Mexico City Thursday, he reiterated his point that the best way to fight poverty is to create jobs.

He seems to do a lot of pontificating … what’s he done?

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OK………………………..lets “”reclassify”” the GST and call it VAT and fix it at 15%

Value Added Tax VAT – what a stupid name to start with … having said that GST (better name) or any other is a tax that hits the POOR … the more disposable income you have the less you feel the tax on Goods & Services … a temporary handout to soften the “blow” of increased GST is just that temporary … low and fixed income households suffer the most …

… income tax is actually fairer … but more difficult to collect because of the “concessions” and “deductions” … a flat rate across the board would fix that but it would decimate the financial industry … guess who promotes GST increases …

April 8, 2014 6:43 pm

Other nations can see teh-usa system, use it as a model, or use it as a warning, this is where wisdom comes in.

Hear! Hear!

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…and that is a single unpunctuated sentence!

So? Is that all you got from it? Punctuation Police GMAFB!

April 8, 2014 6:46 pm

If middle aged people can’t find a job, they can get the dole. If they’re ill they get sickness benefits, if they’re incapacitated they can get a disability pension.

But why would we have a policy setting that presses fit, experienced, active middle aged people to give up and go on welfare

April 8, 2014 6:47 pm

“l suppose that is what a particular society will bear. Meaning l suppose, their cultural beliefs. “

I guess. It might be the point at which revenue collection drops even though tax rates rise. Like the Laffer curve. This might happen because productivity and earning aren’t sufficiently rewarded or because of capital flight.

I don’t think US military spending has been entirely wasted. It is a big part of the reason we have had realtive propseprity and peace since WWII. Westeern Europe in particular has been free-riding on American military expenditure and then acting all self-righteous about their welfare spending.

223. April 8, 2014 6:47 pm

“Honestly the (eminently fkn stoopid) idea that people should just be able to work into their sixties and seventies is just Liberal party bullshit…”

Strongly agree.

That mentality would only be attractive to certain niches of the workforce who have no business advocating work til death for people whom they have never walked in the shoes thereof.

April 8, 2014 6:48 pm

‘and filling in some evidence they tried to work this quarter (for the dole-office) and still end up having to survive on welfare money’

Copy that.

And what develops is an intrenched underclass, a subculture costly to maintain. There is a stigma and stultifying aspect to being on the dole, but at least they have the option of going to TAFE and becoming useful again. The money is the same.

April 8, 2014 6:52 pm

“what’s he done?”

In your terminology he might be a “Robber Baron” of the first order:

Carlos Slim Helú (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈkaɾlos esˈlin eˈlu]; born January 28, 1940) is a Mexican business magnate, investor, and philanthropist. From 2010 to 2013, Slim was ranked as the richest person in the world,[3] but that position has been regained by Bill Gates.[4] His extensive holdings in a considerable number of Mexican companies through his conglomerate, Grupo Carso, SA de CV, have amassed interests in the fields of communications, technology, retailing, and finance. Presently, Slim is the chairman and chief executive of telecommunications companies Telmex and América Móvil.

América Móvil, which was Latin America’s largest mobile-phone carrier in 2010, accounted for around US$49 billion of Slim’s wealth by the end of that year.[5] His corporate holdings as of December 2013 have been estimated at US$71.2 billion.[1]

April 8, 2014 6:52 pm

“Other nations can see teh-usa system, use it as a model, or use it as a warning, this is where wisdom comes in.”

Maybe so but most people on this planet would still chose to live in the US if they had a choice. Hence the USA has 15 million illegal Mexicans.

April 8, 2014 6:55 pm

““Honestly the (eminently fkn stoopid) idea that people should just be able to work into their sixties and seventies is just Liberal party bullshit…””

I would like to work well into my sixties. The trouble is finding employers who want to emlploy people of that age.

April 8, 2014 6:56 pm

Both sides of politics are concerned about the Baby Boomer Bubble, the figures are horrendous.

April 8, 2014 6:58 pm

‘The trouble is finding employers who want to emlploy people of that age.’

This particular group should go into very small business (VSB).

230. April 8, 2014 6:59 pm

“But to suggest (with a straight face) that a labourer or construction worker should be able to work a 40 hour week in their 60s/70s is utter nonsense…

But of course, it doesn’t affect the “born to rule” mob who’d be sitting at home counting their hundred dollar bills in their velvet slippers drinking cognac and claiming it as a “work expense…”

Strongly agree, again.

Those who think such things are ‘fair’ or ‘reasonable’ are forming their opinions while sneering down from their Ivory Towers. Such people don’t comprehend the (low reward) grind (day on day, week on week, year on year) of near subsistence employment.

231. April 8, 2014 7:00 pm

“I would like to work well into my sixties. The trouble is finding employers who want to emlploy people of that age.”

EXACTLY!!!!!

232. April 8, 2014 7:04 pm

“I would like to work well into my sixties. The trouble is finding employers who want to emlploy people of that age.”

The point being, it depends upon the type of work undertaken, over a lifetime, whether it is even within a person’s capability (physically) to work into older age (FFS, 60+ is not middle aged…the average lifespan may have increased, but the ‘durability’ of the human body to withstand labour over a protracted period has not…all that’s happening is that shit that used to kill us younger has been mitigated or prolonged).

I can well understand why desk pilots have no trouble seeing the ‘upside’ of work til death.

233. April 8, 2014 7:06 pm

I have no problem with people who want to work into their 60+’s, that’s their prerogative. But, it should be a choice, not an expectation.

Those who are well off obviously get to make that choice easier for themselves.

234. April 8, 2014 7:07 pm

”””””’the point at which revenue collection drops even though tax rates rise”””””

this gets back to govt gutting itself,

#post-ww2, the baby boomer-gen,

most western govts have had statistics about their country, Aust, teh-usa, and the rest,

have all had some 40 years of warning, from their own statistics-dept and census information, showing that the boomer-gen was bigger that the gens that followed, govt knew (or-should-have) that an elderly bubble was coming, and govt should have taxed, saved and spent, to meet the events of the day,

instead, we have had two parties looting the community wealth at both state and federal levels and making the situation worse for the rest of us by granting way too many corporate wishes

April 8, 2014 7:11 pm

“I would like to work well into my sixties. The trouble is finding employers who want to emlploy people of that age.”

Fine, people in their 60s should be encouraged to keep working, rather than being encouraged to go on welfare. If they can’t get a job, take the dole.

Permanent welfare is for people who are incapable of work.

April 8, 2014 7:12 pm

“But of course, it doesn’t affect the “born to rule” mob who’d be sitting at home counting their hundred dollar bills in their velvet slippers drinking cognac and claiming it as a “work expense”

I find that quite offensive. I vote for the Coalition and none of that story applies to me. And i think there are a lot of wealthy ALP voters some of whom post here.

April 8, 2014 7:15 pm

They saw the bubble coming and brought in superannuation. Not sure which government opted for compulsory Super. More on the horrendous impost on the taxpayer.

‘The Sunday Telegraph can reveal the cost of the $40 billion-a-year age pension threatens to increase by 80 per cent in the next decade to more than$70 billion.’

April 8, 2014 7:17 pm

But why would we have a policy setting that presses fit, experienced, active middle aged people to give up and go on welfare

I suggest you ask that of the employers …

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Maybe so but most people on this planet would still chose to live in the US if they had a choice. Hence the USA has 15 million illegal Mexicans.

Not most people at all … the people from a poverty ridden third world country – who have been brainwashed with the “American Dream” myth … not realising that the system of the rich ,del>raping reaping reward from the poor will eventually see them no better off … as the “bastion of the West” continues to crumble in wealth and power …

Do you choose to live in the USA?

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Both sides of politics are concerned about the Baby Boomer Bubble, the figures are horrendous.

And that just demonstrates how slow and incompetent our politicians really are … how long has the “problem” been coming for? 1945?

April 8, 2014 7:18 pm

And i think there are a lot of wealthy ALP voters some of whom post here.

Do you have a link for that, Kneel?

April 8, 2014 7:18 pm

Yeah i thought the whole point of Superannuation was to do away with the aged pension.

What happened?? Super was made compulsory in 1992. The whole point of Super was to remove the need of a pension.

April 8, 2014 7:20 pm

*oops sarc alert, Kneel … of course you don’t … its just something you “know” …

242. April 8, 2014 7:24 pm

“Not most people at all ”

Amen to that, TB.

I can’t believe that people can’t see through the façade of Teh American Dream. It’s a ridiculous urban myth which only applies to a lucky minor proportion of even the USA’s population.

Neil’s comment is ridiculous, comparing apples with oranges.

Australia is fkn Utopia compared to living as a less than well off citizen in the US.

Of course third world citizens would rather be in a first world country. Duuuh.

April 8, 2014 7:26 pm

The whole point of Super was to remove the need of a pension.

It started at 3% in 1992 and was supposed to be increased to 12% … guess who held off increasing it, Kneel?

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BTW all you folk arguing for less pension and/or more work*** into pension age, may vaguely recall a GFC seven years ago … when many superannuants were devastated with losses of up to 70% of their capital … just because returns on the share market have been pretty good for a couple of years those folk still needed capital to take advantage of the returns and it had been reduced drastically … I know many who are still struggling …

*** (that just isn’t there)

244. April 8, 2014 7:27 pm

Having witnessed governments of all persuasions changing all manner of rules when opportunity suits, I have little confidence that, by the time I get to retire, my Super won’t be plundered or obsolete.

It’s too tempting a pool of wealth for them not to fuck with it.

245. April 8, 2014 7:27 pm

“Fine, people in their 60s should be encouraged to keep working, rather than being encouraged to go on welfare. “

WTF? How many people do you know in their 60’s are being “encouraged” to go on welfare…??

April 8, 2014 7:27 pm

A lot of Aussies go to the USA to live. I don’t see too many Americans coming here.

247. April 8, 2014 7:29 pm

Sorry, Neil, but you are wilfully dense at times.

April 8, 2014 7:32 pm

‘The whole point of Super was to remove the need of a pension.’

Yes and its worked reasonably well, but with low interest rates the self funded retiree is likely on a part pension to survive. I’m talking about the ‘battlers’.

249. April 8, 2014 7:33 pm

How many Aussies do you know who went to the USA to live on their welfare system, Neil?

April 8, 2014 7:33 pm

How many people do you know in their 60′s are being “encouraged” to go on welfare…??

Giving fit, active, experienced people automatic welfare based on their age is encouragement to opt out of work.

Being ill or incapacitated is a reason to give up work, age (alone) isn’t.

251. April 8, 2014 7:34 pm

And there are more ‘battlers’ than otherwise.

April 8, 2014 7:36 pm

“Yes and its worked reasonably well”

Then why all this talk about the cost of the age pension increasing?? Shouldn’t Superannuation make the cost of the pension smaller??

Compulsory Super was introduced by Keating. Don’t tell me one of the few good things Keating did is not working???

Nine % Super if started early should be enough to provide a pension.

253. April 8, 2014 7:37 pm

“Being ill or incapacitated is a reason to give up work, age (alone) isn’t.”

How about “I don’t want to spend all the best years of my life as a cog in the fucking wheel, only to work til death” as a rationale for ‘giving up work’ while still being of sound enough mind & body to actually appreciate retirement? hmmm.

Work is a means to an end…Not the purpose of existence.

254. April 8, 2014 7:41 pm

Most of those advocating that others be bound to work into their 70’s (!!!) will be in the personal position of suiting themselves, because they are financially secure enough to do so; and likely not worn down by decades of physical labour.
For them, working on is likely something they wish to indulge in at their own leisure.

These people do not represent the bulk of the workforce.

255. April 8, 2014 7:42 pm

“Giving fit, active, experienced people automatic welfare based on their age is encouragement to opt out of work.

So that’s currently about 67 to be eligible for a pension of my age…

Perhaps it should be a health and fitness test based on the individual and their occupation rather than just some arbitrary aged-based system that doesn’t take into account a person’s individual circumstances and likelihood to secure employment.

I mean, what company in their right mind is going to employ someone 60+ for a full time role…?

It’s just not going to happen and perhaps you Abbott lovers will wake up to this harsh reality when it happens to you.

256. April 8, 2014 7:45 pm

#superanuation

sorry teabags, your own idols arse-fcuked you on that one,

casual-junk-employment, which has chased many off work-seeking for little return to welfare-class, and those of us that remain seeking junk-jobs, earn too little to be pension-free anyway,

your own idols have guaranteed another gen requiring some kind of pension,
#too.cute.by.half

April 8, 2014 7:48 pm

I mean, what company in their right mind is going to employ someone 60+ for a full time role…?

Plenty, particularly as we age. The 50 year old managers who hire people will have a different perspective as they start to turn 60.

”I don’t want to spend all the best years of my life as a cog in the fucking wheel, only to work til death” as a rationale for ‘giving up work’ while still being of sound enough mind & body to actually appreciate retirement?”

So it’s up to taxpayers to provide the welfare for 20+ years?

Better that everyone increase their superannuation contributions to the allowable limit ASAP.

April 8, 2014 7:49 pm

‘Shouldn’t Superannuation make the cost of the pension smaller??’

It has, otherwise it would be a lot more than $40 billion a year. Although Keating brought in compulsory super, most likely it was with bipartisan agreement. 259. April 8, 2014 7:51 pm “Plenty, particularly as we age…” Good luck with YoM… I’m sure your telex skills will be highly sought after….. 🙂 260. egg permalink April 8, 2014 7:51 pm ‘Plenty, particularly as we age. The 50 year old managers who hire people will have a different perspective as they start to turn 60.’ Observation suggests otherwise. 261. April 8, 2014 7:52 pm I pay tax for plenty of things which I object to. So? 262. April 8, 2014 7:53 pm “Observation suggests otherwise.” Yes, it does. 263. April 8, 2014 7:55 pm “Better that everyone increase their superannuation contributions to the allowable limit ASAP.” See..Having witnessed governments of all persuasions changing all manner of rules when opportunity suits, I have little confidence that, by the time I get to retire, my Super won’t be plundered or obsolete. It’s too tempting a pool of wealth for them not to fuck with it. 264. Tom of Melbourne permalink April 8, 2014 7:56 pm If a middle aged person can’t get a job, they should be paid the dole… and I’m happy to have the dole paid at the same rate as the pension. But deliberately choosing to assign fit, active middle aged people to permanent welfare is odd. 265. Neil of Sydney permalink April 8, 2014 8:03 pm “Having witnessed governments of all persuasions changing all manner of rules when opportunity suits, I have little confidence that, by the time I get to retire, my Super won’t be plundered or obsolete. Yep, i used to Salary sacrifice 7.5% of my salary until i came to the same conclusion. So i now use that money to pay off my home loan. Furthermore my opinion of the ALP is that it is the party of the unforeseen stuffup. Another reason for me not to salary sacrifice and to pay off my home loan since compulsory Super was an ALP policy. 266. Tom of Melbourne permalink April 8, 2014 8:04 pm Reasons for the old age pension (s far) for middle aged people (my summary)- • They’ve paid plenty of taxes (so? everyone else does too) • They won’t get a job past 60 (really? but the dole is for people out of work) • They shouldn’t have to keep working, they should enjoy life (great, tehn best they start saving) • #######teabagz### (###, ######) 267. egg permalink April 8, 2014 8:05 pm ‘and those of us that remain seeking junk-jobs, earn too little to be pension-free anyway,’ True and to break the nexus you have to be keen to reinvent yourself. As our colleagues have pointed out, we are living longer and those who are physically and mentally fit should be reeducated. The service is available now, through TAFE or Uni to do something just for fun, instead of trudging around for jobs that aren’t there. Which can be quite soul destroying. 268. April 8, 2014 8:10 pm yomm, my dear half-wit, Aust. has-lost/will-lose the better part of 80,000 jobs in the last 7-months, most jobs full-time, thus getting super, 1/3 of those will get another full-time job, hence super, 2/3 will not, but be dole/junk-jobbers, and super will suffer also 269. TB Queensland permalink April 8, 2014 8:18 pm Yes and its worked reasonably well, but with low interest rates the self funded retiree is likely on a part pension to survive. I’m talking about the ‘battlers’. And it was introduced in 1992 … according to my trusty solar calculator, a mere 22 years ago … and, as mentioned earlier was part of a plan to see it increase over time to 12% (always resisted by the very people who now wail hard up) … … before that, Baby Boomers, paid HIGHER income tax to pay for their pension … so our pollies squandered it and now who pays … the people – as usual … +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nine % Super if started early should be enough to provide a pension. Wrong, again, Kneel, it began at 3% and should have risen in slow increments … it was stymied and the target was always 12% … what is it right now, do you know? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Although Keating brought in compulsory super, most likely it was with bipartisan agreement. Yes Keating did and no it wasn’t … in fact the original the 3% was in lieu of a pay rise … not something the employers “gave” … I became self – employed in 1992 – it never affected me (and I’d already started my own personal super 15 years earlier … when the company I had worked for, for 14 years, knocked back my request to join their super …) I originally thought Keating’s idea to be very clever … …but over the years and having seen friends and acquaintances suffer the GFC (mainly through poor financial advise and greed) – I think Keating was wrong – he literally threw retirees to the wolves … who tore them to pieces in 2008 … many of them are still feeling the pain … 270. egg permalink April 8, 2014 8:21 pm ‘It’s too tempting a pool of wealth for them not to fuck with it.’ Funny you should mention that, the super funds tend to spend on overseas infrastructure, so I’m thinking there will be something in the May budget to encourage them to invest that money at home. Infrastructure and mass immigration go hand in glove. 271. TB Queensland permalink April 8, 2014 8:29 pm So i now use that money to pay off my home loan. Excellent choice … advice I gave to both my children who now own their homes and are working on investment (a home is not an asset – it a home … own it don’t risk it) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ They’ve paid plenty of taxes (so? everyone else does too) Did you read my earlier comment, ToM … until 22 years ago BBs paid MORE income tax than now to fund a pension … most had no alternative … my parents retired in 1987 with$9000 …

The pension actually just popped over the “$33,000 for a couple mark” … (that’s why you own your home, Kneel – just in case that’s all the income you have) … Now check the ASFA Retirement Standard … http://www.superannuation.asn.au/resources/retirement-standard 272. Neil of Sydney permalink April 8, 2014 8:30 pm “and the target was always 12% … what is it right now, do you know? Yep the law is 9%. But govts do encourage people to contribute more. I used to salary sacrifice an extra 7.5% but then decided to stop that and put the money into my home loan. Furthermore i can see a socialist govt in the future getting us in so much debt our Superannuation savings may have to be liquidated. But but but Super was introduced so we would not need to go on the pension so it is not working. 273. egg permalink April 8, 2014 8:36 pm ‘…so it is not working.’ Alan Kohler thinks super is a national disgrace. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-31/kohler-australia-super-disgrace/4343108 274. TB Queensland permalink April 8, 2014 8:37 pm But but but Super was introduced so we would not need to go on the pension so it is not working. Yes it was originally at three percent … it was supposed to increase regularly but it didn’t because business lobbied the government elected in 1996 until 2007 it should (by the original plan) now be 12% … Before 1992, reasonably widespread superannuation arrangements had been in place for many years under industrial awards negotiated by the union movement between wage increases. In 1992, the Keating Labor government introduced a compulsory “Superannuation Guarantee” system as part of a major reform package addressing Australia’s retirement income policies. It was calculated that Australia, along with many other Western nations, would experience a major demographic shift in the coming decades, resulting in the anticipated increase in age pension payments placing an unaffordable strain on the Australian economy. The proposed solution was a “three pillars” approach to retirement income: A safety net consisting of a means-tested Government age pension system Private savings generated through compulsory contributions to superannuation Voluntary savings through superannuation and other investments The change came about through a tripartite agreement between the government, employers and the trade unions. The trade unions agreed to forgo a national 3% pay increase which would be put into the new superannuation system for all employees in Australia. This was matched by employers contributions which were set to increase over time to a proposed 12%. Subsequent changes meant this has been capped at the lower employer rate of 9%. Since its introduction, employers have been required to make compulsory contributions to superannuation on behalf of most of their employees. This contribution was originally set at 3% of the employees’ income, and has been gradually increased by the Australian government. Since 1 July 2002, the minimum contribution has been set based on an employee’s ordinary time earnings and is thus not payable on overtime rates but is payable on remuneration items such as bonuses, commissions, shift loading and casual loadings. Though there is general widespread support for compulsory superannuation today, it was met with strong resistance by small business groups at the time of its introduction who were fearful of the burden associated with its implementation and its ongoing costs.[3] The Howard government was criticised by former Prime Minister Paul Keating for its reluctance to increase the compulsory rate of superannuation. Keating argued that had the compulsory rate been 15% since 1996, rather than the then 9%, total superannuation assets in Australia would be approaching$2 trillion – almost double the current level.[4]

As of 30 June 2013, Australians have over AUD$1.6 trillion in superannuation assets.[5] Compulsory superannuation in combination with buoyant economic growth has turned Australia into a ‘shareholder society’, where most workers are now indirect investors in the stock market. Consequently, a lively personal investment marketplace has developed, and many Australians take an interest in investment topics.[citation needed] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation_in_Australia 275. TB Queensland permalink April 8, 2014 8:44 pm Alan Kohler thinks super is a national disgrace. Good article by AK … And that was a couple of years ago, egg … nothing has changed! In fact its worse with the Abbott government hinting (strongly) about bringing back the commissions … and loosening the regs … 276. egg permalink April 8, 2014 8:45 pm ‘Good article by AK …’ Yeah, glad I’ve got no super. 277. egg permalink April 8, 2014 8:55 pm O/T Peaches death not suspicious. ‘Peaches Geldof sparked health concerns over her dramatic weight loss two years ago – prompting fears that she was risking ‘acute cardiac arrest’ by living off nothing but vegetable juices for weeks at a time.’ UK Mail 278. April 8, 2014 9:31 pm that wouldnt surprise me TB, Mr-Rabbits zombies seem to have a spiteful element to their decisions, intentionally aimed at the poor/struggling part of the working-class 279. Neil of Sydney permalink April 8, 2014 10:11 pm that wouldnt surprise me TB, Mr-Rabbits zombies seem to have a spiteful element to their decisions, intentionally aimed at the poor/struggling part of the working-class Sounds more like wishful ALP supporters wishful thinking rather than what is happening. 280. Walrus permalink April 8, 2014 11:13 pm Well fuck me A few words on retirement and super and a full on discotheque takes shape. Dance monkeys dance LOL At least the cognac was nice and the Ugg Boots warm 281. egg permalink April 9, 2014 7:34 am Jenny McAllister throws spanner in the works and big bruvvers take dim view. 282. egg permalink April 9, 2014 8:02 am ‘Amid complaints that the agreement offered very little for dairy, sugar and grain farmers, the prime minister admitted on Tuesday that his government had failed to secure the farm industry’s main target of reducing the Japanese beef tariff to zero. ‘But he claimed the new bilateral agreement to halve the existing 38.5% tariff was the most generous Japan had yet offered to any of its trading partners and that there was “a big drop in the first year”.’ Murphy / Guardian 283. Splatterbottom permalink April 9, 2014 9:05 am Craig Emerson liked it: “From what I understand of it, the trade deal with Japan is the best Australia could have achieved. Well done A Robb and PM” 284. Tom of Melbourne permalink April 9, 2014 9:11 am ”Aust. has-lost/will-lose the better part of 80,000 jobs in the last 7-months, most jobs full-time, thus getting super ,he also says ###### So Teabagz sees the solution to the decline in manufacturing as- • Get experienced, active, middle aged people out of work • Give them welfare for 20+ years • Make them an ever increasing burden on the even diminishing proportion of taxpayers • ####### and ###### ###It’s a guaranteed recipe for success, no doubt#### 285. Splatterbottom permalink April 9, 2014 9:20 am Martin Parkinson: Over the next few years, this demographic dividend, which has been fading for some time, will actually reverse. The proportion of the population aged 65 and over is expected to increase to nearly 20 per cent in 2030, from 13.5 per cent in 2010. As the population ages, the total participation rate will fall – despite the increase in the participation rate among older Australians. This expected decline has already begun and will become more pronounced by the end of the decade. Thinking about the population projections in a slightly different way, based on 2010 Intergenerational Report projections, by 2050, there will be only 2.7 people of working age to support each Australian aged 65 years or over, compared with 5 working age people per aged person in 2010, and 7.5 in 1970. This population ageing will slow economic growth in coming decades and, in turn, will reduce growth in our future revenue base. Population ageing will also, of course, create additional demands on government spending, particularly in health, aged care and pensions. In short, our three phenomena – weak productivity growth, a falling terms of trade, and an ageing population – do not bode well for growth in Australian incomes and living standards in the period ahead. 286. egg permalink April 9, 2014 9:26 am Mass immigration should eliminate most of that phenomena. 287. Splatterbottom permalink April 9, 2014 9:39 am That might be right in specific cases. In others it wll make matters worse. It depends on the reasons for immigration and the attractions of our welfare system. Paul Sheehan: The amount of workplace participation among refugees and asylum-seekers remains low for some time. After four years, only about 25 per cent are engaged in full-time work. (The issue is examined in a Department of Immigration report, “Settlement Outcomes for New Arrivals”, published in April last year.) 288. Walrus permalink April 9, 2014 9:51 am And it will be standing room only in Central Sydney today. 2 great shows to choose from 1) The opening scenes of the Royal Commission into Trade Unions. This Show is expected to run until December 2014 with a stellar line up of stars. 2) Meanwhile over at “ICAC”- The Musical ” its a great list of wonderful stars with our leading man Eddie (Sack the Bitch) Obeid starring, with 2 great chief support actors in Joe (where are the Krispy Kreme Donuts) Trippodi and Tony ( Lets backdate that letter) Kelly. 289. Tom of Melbourne permalink April 9, 2014 9:52 am Migration works if there’s a labour shortage. With mining in decline and manufacturing stuffed, it’s a little difficult to identify all the jobs that they’d fill. It makes sense to start to figure out how to keep existing workers working, and keep them off permanent welfare. 290. April 9, 2014 10:04 am “ICAC”- The Musical ” LOL…. 😆 291. TB Queensland permalink April 9, 2014 10:58 am “ICAC”- The Musical ” So someone will sing then? … and where’s the missing score? I bet its a bit more entertaining then “Noah” Wally … 292. egg permalink April 9, 2014 11:04 am ‘That might be right in specific cases. In others it wll make matters worse.’ I’m thinking of real immigrants, the Chinese buying their way in and anybody else with the skills and economic independence to start a new life in Oz. 293. egg permalink April 9, 2014 11:18 am ‘Migration works if there’s a labour shortage. With mining in decline and manufacturing stuffed, it’s a little difficult to identify all the jobs that they’d fill.’ The decline in mining is a temporary lull and manufacturing is changing as we gear-up to the new realities. Agribusiness, the growing and processing of agriculture, is our greatest asset. With fast rail infrastructure the country could build satellite cities all over the place and enjoy continuing growth. I’m thinking a population of 50 million inhabitants by mid-century is feasible. 294. egg permalink April 9, 2014 11:50 am ‘It depends on the reasons for immigration…’ In Britain they say its making the country ‘uncompetitive’, so its a no-brainer for them, hence the new political movement wanting to close the door on immigration. US mass immigration during the long early years made them into a productive nation, along with the boom and busts, and now the fat lady sings for them, enough. Its not generally known that China will be absorbing immigrants by 2030, so in the meantime its in our best interest to grow our country with the resources available. 295. egg permalink April 9, 2014 12:37 pm A bureaucracy says by 2050 two and a half people will be supporting one pensioner. http://www.treasury.gov.au/PublicationsAndMedia/Speeches/2014/Fiscal_sustainability This is nonsense. 296. egg permalink April 9, 2014 12:47 pm From that link. ‘However, even with a net immigration intake of a quarter of a million a year, annual potential growth slows from its current estimate of around 3¼ per cent to around 3 per cent over most of the next decade, before slowing even further as participation continues to fall with the ageing of the population.’ If we increased the inflow to half a million it might alter their equation. 297. Walrus permalink April 9, 2014 1:10 pm Egg, You’ve been sitting in this corner for the last 2 hours talkin’ to yourself. For Dogsake go get some sun 298. egg permalink April 9, 2014 1:13 pm ** chuckle ** 299. April 9, 2014 1:26 pm Interesting article from Michael Pascoe on the crap state of Australian retailers… “The foreign brands are here because Australia is rubbish at retail…” 300. Walrus permalink April 9, 2014 1:50 pm I got fed up with DJs years ago when I was hunting around for a Ralph Lauren shirt and I mistook a black clad sales assistant as knowing something about the brand and asked him a question only to have him snap back at me ” “Ï don’t do Ralph Lauren……………I do Tommy Hilfeger…………………you’ll need to wait over there until someone comes along”” I walked ! 301. Walrus permalink April 9, 2014 2:01 pm Mrs Walrus was on a Qantas business class flight from Japan a couple of years ago and had the dreadful misfortune of accidentally ( you would never do it on purpose) seeing Bob in his inflight pyjamas. Not a pretty sight. She reckons she begged the stewardess (who also knew who it was) to poke out her eyes………..lest it happen again 302. Splatterbottom permalink April 9, 2014 2:04 pm “US mass immigration during the long early years made them into a productive nation, along with the boom and busts, and now the fat lady sings for them, enough.” US mass immigration was beneficial because there was no welfare, there was abundant cheap land (indentured servants were entitled to a free plot after their period of service), class-ridden Europe was archaic and stiffling so the smart ones got out to a land of relative freedom and lower taxes, the courts and the government recognised the benefits of free trade and, being socially progressive,implemented that agenda. Maybe your idea of giving migrants a plot in the Ord River area could work. 303. egg permalink April 9, 2014 2:14 pm No single plots at Ord. 304. Neil of Sydney permalink April 9, 2014 2:47 pm Business class. No edible food. No airline pyjamas,” Mr Carr notes sadly during a trans-Atlantic flight. “I lie in my tailored suit.” Bob Carr 305. egg permalink April 9, 2014 2:50 pm US economic history is more complex than I imagined. 306. Splatterbottom permalink April 9, 2014 3:03 pm “I lie in my tailored suit.” Most politicians do that. Some even do it in their Speedos. 307. April 9, 2014 3:20 pm Dolt that Saviour machine 308. April 9, 2014 4:53 pm ”””it was the internet,””” ”””it was the economy,””” ””’it was high wages,””’ ””’the government,””” ””’the consumer,””’ ”’it was the strong Australian dollar or maybe the weak Australian dollar.”” . ”””’It was anything but second-rate management and dull boards that were responsible”””’ ”’for Australian retail’s poor performance”’ . ##”””’yet it turns out it was poor management all along.””””## . http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/david-jones-takeover-the-foreign-brands-are-here-because-australia-is-rubbish-at-retail-20140409-36cfi.html#ixzz2yM8kjldg ””””””””””””” Clearly (Michael Pascoe is a BusinessDay contributing editor.) doesnt know what he is talking about. Our teabags, particularly yomm, have always claimed boardrooms are never wrong and worth the excesses theyre paid. All corporate problems stem from unions-boo and minimum-paid bottom-rung workers. Pascoe obviously needs his head read. 309. April 9, 2014 5:05 pm dont do ralph, do tommy, wait over there, so blubbers, why did you go to the ralph department in the first place, when clearly you wanted tommy.? even the un-branded plonkers like myself, wouldnt do that, was all the ralphsignage hangin from the roof too subtle forya.? #teabags 310. 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Splatterbottom permalink April 9, 2014 5:29 pm Well done Walrus! Completely fucked the comment rendering in a way Retardland could only dream about. 312. April 9, 2014 5:34 pm sorry blubbers, but in department stores it is very important to read the over-head signage, not reading it can cause unhingement, if you want tommy you go to the tommy department, if you want ralph you go to the ralph dept, if you want to but a tv, you go to the household-electronic dept, not the hardware dept, and aggravate the bloke that mixes paint. #teabags 313. Walrus permalink April 9, 2014 5:39 pm Reheat$$ed)))))))))))))))))))0000000TeaBuggery*************************he#####################directed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!me$$$$to*************************a+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++spot=======================================less@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@than!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!5~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~metres<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<away////////////////////////////////////////////and???????????????????????????????????there<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<was||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||no&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&Tommy^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^signage 314. April 9, 2014 5:49 pm of course tommy and ralph had signage in place, it is totally ridiculous to claim that super-egos like ralph and tommy, (who will tell you what a man is meant to look like) wont have signage in place #teabags 315. TB Queensland permalink April 9, 2014 5:50 pm I walked ! Pretty much my feelings about the snooty dicks in DJ’s too … I confess to wandering in a shirt, pair of shorts, sandals and unshaven – just to watch them “assess” me … … should never judge a book by its cover … … as a service advisor one of my best (tipping) customers was a millionaire farmer who used to carry sheep in his Nissan Cedric (top of the range at the time) … stunk to high heaven and no-one else would look after him … my wage was about$70 a week he tipped \$10 … !

……………..

… Bob in his inflight pyjamas

WTF are they?

April 9, 2014 5:52 pm

Yeah!!

What right would a consumer have to expect service from a shop assistant in a shop?

317. April 9, 2014 5:58 pm

“I confess to wandering in a shirt, pair of shorts, sandals and unshaven”

All set for a business meeting in QLD then…?

April 9, 2014 6:05 pm

All set for a business meeting in QLD then…?

Now you know better than that … sharply ironed, short sleeved, pale grey, safari suit, (no shirt) … long socks and shiny black shoes – knocks ’em dead every time …

April 9, 2014 6:05 pm

I actually worked with a guy in the 70’s who wore the fkn things …

320. April 9, 2014 6:10 pm

”””’snooty dicks in DJ’s too”””’

now who is kidding who TB, there is no way you are a tommyboy or ralphboy, or any of those types TB, you are much more of a big-w character

321. April 9, 2014 6:15 pm

“TB, you are much more of a big-w character.”

Shame on you teabag frenzy, TB is single-handedly keeping LOWES alive…

322. April 9, 2014 6:17 pm

sharply ironed, short sleeved, pale grey, safari suit, (no shirt) … long socks and shiny black shoes.

My uncle (from NZ) used to dress like that.

Naturally I disowned him.

April 9, 2014 6:19 pm

… and your both wrong …

http://www.rivers.com.au/Online_shop.htm

You’d do well at DJs … they think like you two, too … no fkn idea …

(I did bring home some noice shirts from Indochina – at least 50% less than DJs or Myers … )

324. April 9, 2014 6:23 pm

oh yes, of course Lowes is the first port of call, but not all goods desired are available at Lowes, so when TB roams for those extra items, big-w will be much higher up his list than snooty DJs #takes.one.to.know.one

April 9, 2014 6:28 pm

DJ stocks are doing well.

326. April 9, 2014 6:30 pm

BTW, aldi socks (work) crap all over the others for tough/long-life

327. April 9, 2014 6:30 pm

“… and your both wrong …”

I think you mean “you’re”…..

*rolls eyes*

April 9, 2014 7:05 pm

think you mean “you’re”…..

In the words of the exalted, ToSY … get fucked … he has a way with words that boy …

I shall revenge you’re** petty punctuation policing!

BTW, aldi socks (work) crap all over the others for tough/long-life

And you’re YOUR telling ME about fkn woollies? *rolls eyes too* –

Just what happened to the smileys FFS?

** chukkel

329. April 9, 2014 7:16 pm

”””’Just what happened to the smileys FFS?”””

wordpress ran out, we usedem all up, particularly the 🙄 ,when snacky was here last week

330. April 9, 2014 7:18 pm

particularly the *roll*

331. April 9, 2014 7:21 pm

l wasnt knocking big-w either btw

#takes.one.to.know.one

April 9, 2014 7:33 pm

l wasnt knocking big-w either btw … I tells yer Lowes is the place, mate …

April 9, 2014 7:34 pm

wordpress ran out, we used`em all up, particularly the 🙄 ,when snacky was here last week

Well I certainly didn’t use the “eye roll” when, James was here … WHO was it!