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It’s the New, Improved Bill Shorten Formula!

April 22, 2014

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PLAN A: Steal the Liberal Party’s colour scheme.

PLAN B: Create some catchy slogan that doesn’t really mean anything.

PLAN C: Brush up on those public speaking skills.

 

Besides, Bill has “people skills…!”

REBUILD!

“The work of rebuilding Labor belongs to all of us who love the Labor Party.”

CHANGE!

“We cannot say that Labor is ready to serve until we can say that Labor is ready to change.”

DOOMED!

“If we don’t change… then we are doomed to see our great mission live on only in the archives.”

UNITED!

“If we are not united… we risk allowing the Abbott Liberal Government and their twisted priorities off the hook.”

THE PEOPLES!

“If the Labor Party is to rebuild as a membership-based party we have to be community-based.”

MEMBERS!

“I have instructed our National Secretary… to increase the weight of local members’ votes from 50%… to 70%”

BETRAYAL!

“Corruption is a deep betrayal of everything that the Labor Party and union movement have stood for…”

GONE!

“If you have betrayed the trust of your members… We don’t want you, get out.”

NO!

“Union membership should not be compulsory”

AND THUS IT WAS!

“…the Labor Party that we love is the political arm of all Australians and that’s how it should be.

UNION HACKS!

“The Labor Party is not the political arm of any one group alone…”

GINA AND CLIVE!

“If you don’t engage in politics, you’ll be governed by vested interests…”

 

 

 

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466 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 4:14 pm

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz …

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2014 4:20 pm

    Unions = BOO!!

  3. April 22, 2014 4:23 pm
  4. Tony permalink
    April 22, 2014 4:47 pm

    Bill made it it up the well-climbed ladder – from union hack to member of parliament – like so many before him. Now he’s pushing the ladder over because he thinks all Labor’s problems come from its closeness to the unions. Can’t he see how dumb and hypocritical that looks?

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2014 4:48 pm

    When Simon Crean sought to reduce union power by 10% they tried to kick him out of Hotham!

    Unions put up the ‘rising star’ Martin Pakula. (who?)

    Unions really aren’t very interested in the wellbeing of the ALP, as long as it retains enough HoR and Senate seats for them to retire to. WA illustrates that they probably don’t even have that number these days.

  6. April 22, 2014 4:50 pm

    “Can’t he see how dumb and hypocritical that looks?”

    Apparently not. 😯

  7. April 22, 2014 4:51 pm

    “Unions really aren’t very interested in the wellbeing of the ALP, as long as it retains enough HoR and Senate seats for them to retire to.”

    That seems to be the case….

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 4:57 pm

    All I can says is ….

    GO CLIVEY!

    Did you see that dumb senator on Q&A ‘tother night? From WA …

    That show makes me cringe … I only watch it waiting for something else to come on or I’m “surfin'” … hey, hey ToM!

    Apparently not

    I reckon there’s a bit of sarc in ToSY’s comment, sreb … 😉

  9. egg permalink
    April 22, 2014 5:03 pm

    All he’s sayin’ is that the days of parachuting union hacks into safe seats is over, because the industrial wing is on the nose.

  10. egg permalink
    April 22, 2014 5:05 pm

    ‘I reckon there’s a bit of sarc in ToSY’s comment, sreb …’

    It made me chuckle, dry as a bone.

  11. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 22, 2014 5:10 pm

    Bill is merely trying to dissociate Labor from the outcomes of the RC into Unionland corruption. He, of all people, would know what is likely to come out. He has probably already been tipped off about the subpoenas his former comrades have recieved.

    More interesting is what this will do to the ALP. It will probably lean more to the left as agenda-driven activist groups sign up in numbers. They might as well just merge with the Greens.

  12. April 22, 2014 5:50 pm

    “Bill is merely trying to dissociate Labor from the outcomes of the RC into Unionland corruption. “

    Good point.

    “It will probably lean more to the left as agenda-driven activist groups sign up in numbers. They might as well just merge with the Greens.”

    Maybe… Maybe not…. Mind you they did try the “Liberal-Lite” experiment under Gillard and that didn’t seem to win them any favours.

    The Greens seem to enjoy momentum in sophisticated and enlightened societies like urban-Melbourne, but the rest of Australia (like bogans from QLD for example) find more affinity with political parties that foster small-minded xenophobia and hatred towards minorities.. Hence the otherwise inexplicable popularity of the Coalition.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 5:50 pm

    the RC into Unionland corruption

    Its not Unionland corruption it’s the LEADERSHIP (oops you don’t like caps) the leadership of some unions … that’s like saying all Catlikland is corrupt … 🙂

    Actually that’s a poor analogy … most union members aren’t corrupt … but …

    All the RC is intended to do is to destroy unions so that ordinary workers can be exploited by wannabe Robber Barons … ideology of the right at its worst …

    … like protecting “small” business from unfair dismissal laws protecting ignorant owner/managers who know how to make a cake but not how to mange staff …

    … dismissal is either unfair or its not … not dependent on how many employees you have …

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 5:54 pm

    **** All the RC is intended to do … *** Oh, the irony! LOL!

    Anyone watching Jack Irish … brilliant research/script, competent techs, pyro, directing, acting, editing, music and titles … Russell Crowe need to give Guy a call!

  15. Walrus permalink
    April 22, 2014 5:59 pm

    “Bill is merely trying to dissociate Labor from the outcomes of the RC into Unionland corruption. “

    Yep

    Trying to make the RC into an enquiry into historical problems no longer relevant to his “new “remodelled ALP.

    He’ll then deem any findings no longer relevant

  16. egg permalink
    April 22, 2014 6:03 pm

    ‘Maybe… Maybe not….’

    A lose coalition might work, to counter the Coalition yet retain their own identities. It works well with the Lib/Nats.

    The new Premier in NSW wants to sell poles and wires for $30 billion, but the Nats oppose it so they will need a sweetener to stay on track.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 6:11 pm

    He’ll then deem any findings no longer relevant

    As would the Liberals … hypocrisy is not one sided either …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Vietnam Vets Motor Cycle Club are under pressure now not to march in Brisbane because of the stupid association laws of Sir Noddy’s, childish A-G … how similar his name to Bjelke-P … history/stupidity repeats …

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 6:12 pm

    I actually feel sorry for the majority of Queensland police officers …

  19. April 22, 2014 6:19 pm

    I actually feel sorry for the majority of Queensland.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 6:37 pm

    Waa haeee, Jummy!

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2014 7:12 pm

    Yes, let’s test Shorten’s sincerity-

    ➢ Educated at the exclusive and expensive Xavier (catholic) College
    ➢ Uses his role as AWU/factional powerbroker to gain a seat in parliament
    ➢ Uses this union backed position to roll Rudd
    ➢ Uses this union backed position to roll Gillard
    ➢ Uses this union backed position to win 60% of the caucus vote against the wishes of the membership
    ➢ Now wants to reform the ALP to eliminate the power of people like himself

    Yep, he’s really sincere.

  22. April 22, 2014 7:35 pm

    We need an Albo and Tanya tag team. Tanya is my pick however Penny is the goods, she has it all.. In the current climate Australia, with all its Royal flag waving infancy and testicular tosser drone our little subservient colony is not grown up enough for a woman PM; much less a Gay Asian.

    The Bill Short Term experience is like being stuck in an elevator with the Muzac blaring over a relentless looped advertisement for beige elastic sided socks. He is unelectable, political bromide.

    I think Bill might be adopting the ‘reasoned and reasonable guy’ ” Yeah he was so reasonable the Rank and file wanted Albo (who I voted for) and the federal executive installed Shortman because the over represented unions trump the rank and file… Reform my ass.

    Here is a pivotal time in ALP history, where we were smashed (for very good and reasonable reasons) and reform should have been 1st priority to reclaim (or perceive to) ALP heartland ideology, devalued by fucktards turning the party into Fiberal light.

    What do they do? Ignore it all and go with more of the same lip service… Its moreover what Short Term represents, an archaic political model with nothing more than faded photographs of the past glories of great men. We already have one party of complete fuckwits, why stop there merge em all into one big swill the piggies look the same anyway..its all bacon?

    If the ALP have any chance of derailing this facile bunch of incompetent ideology stooges masquerading as a grown up government, it must evolve or die. Shorty has his pluses but he has too much old luggage for a speedy trip back to sanity….

    Think about it TONY ABBOTT IS THE PM FFS, this country is fucking fundamentally broken and in dire need of an enema…somebody hit the reset button. It is the lowest Ebb of political discourse in Australia’s history with an imbecilic array of ankle waders in the intellectual talent pool. Singing covers of the worst songs of the 50’s to tone deaf, rhythmless knuckle draggers is goin nowheresville

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 7:35 pm

    Yep, he’s really sincere.

    And this says (fucks) it all, ToM …

    ➢ Educated at the exclusive and expensive Xavier (catholic) College

    Noice arrers BTW …

  24. egg permalink
    April 22, 2014 7:41 pm

    ‘this country is fucking fundamentally broken’

    You are just being silly, it was broken and now they are fixing it.

  25. April 22, 2014 7:49 pm

    You are just being silly, it was broken progressing nicely with vision and now they are fixing fucking it.

    Egg you are most certainly scrambled.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 7:52 pm

    SPESHUL REPORT FOR KNEEL (Who Wants to Live in the USA)

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/this-melbourne-mum-found-detroit-usa-unlike-any-other-city-shed-been-to-before/story-e6frfqc9-1226892393603

    Make sure you read ALL of it …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You are just being silly, it was broken and now they are fixing it.

    Who? Just WHO is running my country?

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 22, 2014 7:55 pm

    Heavens! Ricky is making sense!
    ———
    ➢ Thanks TB.

  28. egg permalink
    April 22, 2014 8:25 pm

    ‘Who? Just WHO is running my country?’

    State and federally the Conservatives are running the show.

  29. April 22, 2014 8:26 pm

    You really are a mindless fin moron.

  30. egg permalink
    April 22, 2014 8:28 pm

    ToM what has this government done wrong?

  31. April 22, 2014 8:40 pm

    Who? Just WHO is running my country?

    Indeed

    Heavens! Ricky is making sense!

    Indeed

    You really are a mindless fin moron.

    Indeedy Do 🙂

    TB I have a mate who was in Detroit last year filming and he described it as an eerie post apocalyptic wasteland in some parts. People just up and left. He also said it was lawless and very dangerous. Go hard Kneely 🙂

  32. April 22, 2014 8:43 pm

    ToM what has this government done wrongright?

    Fuck all

  33. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2014 8:45 pm

    “SPESHUL REPORT FOR KNEEL (Who Wants to Live in the USA)”

    I don’t think i said i want to live there.

    But it is a country better to live in than most. In general the English speaking countries are the better countries to live in followed by Europe and the rest are much worse.

    Certain areas of the USA are to be avoided but most areas are not like Detroit.

    I have been told that Washington DC is dangerous but only if you are trading in drugs. If you are not involved in things like that it is similar to Australia.

  34. egg permalink
    April 22, 2014 8:48 pm

    ‘Fuck all’

    Stopped the boats.

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 8:54 pm

    Whew!

    But it is a country better to live in than most.

    And you know this because …

    In general the English speaking countries are the better countries to live in followed by Europe and the rest are much worse.

    Be careful you don’t get accused of bigotry … what makes speaking English “better”?

    Certain areas of the USA are to be avoided but most areas are not like Detroit.

    ‘Cause not many kids in Detroit get the opportunity to go to schools and unis perhaps? So they don’t get in the line of fire?

    I have been told that Washington DC is dangerous but only if you are trading in drugs. If you are not involved in things like that it is similar to Australia.

    Been to Melbourne or Sydney or the Gold Coast recently? So who told you this shite?

    You should comment on TripAdvisor when if you return, Kneel …

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    April 22, 2014 8:55 pm

    Stopped the boats.

    How many? Where were they stopped and when? What happened to the families on board?

  37. egg permalink
    April 22, 2014 9:02 pm

    There were no deaths at sea, that’s all that matters.

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2014 9:13 pm

    Got this from Bolt

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/jakartas-trust-grows-after-spying-row/story-fn59nm2j-1226891505849#mm-premium

    Dr Natalegawa … also acknowledged it was “absolutely” the case that the ­Abbott government’s clampdown on asylum-seekers arriving by boat had heavily reduced the traffic through Indonesia and the risk of deaths at sea…

    After opening an international conference on the protection of asylum-seekers at sea, Dr Natalegawa said he wouldn’t ask for confirmation of military chief General Moeldoko’s claim that the Australians had undertaken to stop sending asylum-seekers back by life boats.

    “No, I think sometimes there is constructive ambiguity (that) can be very, very useful as well,” he said with a smile. Indonesia was very keen to work closely with the Abbott government on the shared issue of irregular immigration movements by sea. “

  39. April 22, 2014 9:44 pm

    Stopped theboats. information

    There were no deaths at sea, that’s all that matters.

    How the Fuck would “you” know

    I have been told that Washington DC..Twadle Twaddle tada dum de de

    I’m thinking you aint even been there and if you have it was a tourist strip tear up…

    Got this from Bolt

    Your fucking kidding right? You are a certified genius Kneely… 🙄

  40. egg permalink
    April 22, 2014 9:58 pm

    ‘How the Fuck would “you” know’

    So you are suggesting that hundreds may have drowned at sea under Abbott’s watch, but they have kept it quiet?

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2014 10:09 pm

    This is a good point from my previous link

    “Dr Natalegawa … also acknowledged it was “absolutely” the case that the ­Abbott government’s clampdown on asylum-seekers arriving by boat had heavily reduced the traffic through Indonesia and the risk of deaths at sea…

    Remember when Rudd/Gillard/ALP were trying to tell us the increase in boat numbers were due to PUSH factors???

    Looks like it was actually PULL factors which caused the increase in boats. And most of these people would have been economic immigrants rather than refugees we used to take from UNHCR camps under Howard.

  42. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 22, 2014 10:20 pm

    Bill Shorten’s new nickname is apparently…………

    Bull Shittin’

  43. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 22, 2014 10:24 pm

    “And this says (fucks) it all, ToM …”

    Says the usual Anglican ( or whatever you are TB) bigot

  44. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 22, 2014 10:26 pm

    Bill Shorten is good for the Coalition. I hope the ALP keeps him as leader.

    What gets me about ALP supporters is how a charismatic leader is all they seem to be looking for. He may be a hopeless leader but as long as he has charisma that is all they want.

  45. April 22, 2014 11:13 pm

    Abbott’s watch, but they most certainty have kept it quiet?

    I cant comment its …. spin unknown porky pies politically inconvenient more lies un catlick outrageously incompetent stupid inhumane operationally impossible internationally embarrassing propaganda
    Sorry…. Operational

    What gets me about ALP supporters…..rinky dink dink dink ow i fink

    TB I will take that as a no..he hasn’t even been there.. 🙄

    Sir Walrus

    of womanly manly 🙂

  46. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 7:44 am

    HOORAY!

    ‘Cooperation between Sri Lanka and Australia on fighting people smuggling has reversed migration patterns, with thousands more Sri Lankans arriving as skilled workers while the flow of illegal boats from the South Asian nation, which peaked at tens of thousands, has now stopped.

    ‘The number of Sri Lankans becoming Australian citizens jumped 74 per cent to 3,456 last year, while 4987 Sri Lankans came to Australia legally with visas for work and family reunions.’

    Shanahan / Oz

  47. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2014 8:18 am

    “TONY ABBOTT IS THE PM FFS, this country is fucking fundamentally broken and in dire need of an enema…somebody hit the reset button. It is the lowest Ebb of political discourse in Australia’s history with an imbecilic array of ankle waders in the intellectual talent pool. Singing covers of the worst songs of the 50′s to tone deaf, rhythmless knuckle draggers is goin nowheresville”

    Brilliant!

  48. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 8:25 am

    Reb to egg.

    ‘You really are a mindless fin moron.’

  49. April 23, 2014 8:40 am

    Brilliant!

    Think about it


  50. April 23, 2014 8:41 am

    Think About It

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2014 9:26 am

    Got this from Bolt

    From Ray Hadley’s interview today with Immigration Minister Scott Morrison:

    HADLEY: We are coming up to the end of the fourth month. We haven’t had a boat since the 19th of December, correct?

    MINISTER MORRISON: That’s right, well that is more than four months since the 19th but obviously this year we are getting towards the end of April …

    HADLEY: How many had arrived at the same stage between mid-December and this period, so the end of April in 2013?

    MINISTER MORRISON: Oh, over 100 boats and well over 6,000 people…. So this is, we’re well into the post monsoon phase now Ray I believe. I mean people might want to debate the weather but I mean over March and April of last year there was over 2,000 in both of those months.

    Hopefully we can get the concentrations camps started by Labor emptied and replace the boat arrivals by refugees from UNHCR camps like we did under John Howard.

  52. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2014 9:36 am

    Abbott is far from a natural leader. He has an awkward and unlovely manner. He has made promises that he will be unable to keep and he knew that at the time he made the promises. On that score he is no better than the mob he replaced.

    On the plus side, he is trying to repeal the carbon tax which was an act of purest hubris – it could never achieve its stated aim but only served to hurt the economy. It is emblematic of leftist politics – an empty gesture to make the wanketariat feel good about themselves.

    Abbott has also stopped the drownings. The fact that there are less dead asylum seekers has driven the left absolutely nuts. I really can’t work that one out.

    On the foreign policy front he is clearly doing much better than his predecessors. Foreign governments understand his positions and can deal with that. Rudd was a posturing two-faced idiot earning nothing but contempt from regional governments. Where did that predicted war with Indonesia go, exactly?

    Brandis is to be commended for trying to restore the most basic and important of our human rights – freedom of speech.

    I won’t be particularly sorry if we do get a dose of economic rectitude in the budget, and get it good and hard. Abbott will still be rightly condemned for lying to the electorate, but he has little choice in this. The left don’t understand economics at all and would have kept spending until Australia became Greece. The difference being that we could not blackmail the Germans into bailing us out.

    I also like the fact that ICAC is going hard at Liberal Party corruption and at the same time Unionland heavyweights have gone to gaol and more will be exposed by the union RC. The sooner this is all out in the open the healthier our political system will be.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 9:37 am

    Says the usual Anglican ( or whatever you are TB) bigot

    ROFLMAO!

    … seems every right wing supporter at GT is a defender of the catlik faith … LOL!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kneel do you know what an Aunt Sally interview is?

  54. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2014 9:50 am

    When an ABC reporter interviews a Green = Aunt Sally with a very brown tongue.

  55. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 9:54 am

    Well said Splatter and I would add that Abbott may never be exactly popular, but his charismatic achievements will stand him in good stead.

  56. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2014 10:01 am

    The usual leftoid diversion.

    Fact is no boats for a while and people said it was impossible to stop the boats.

    It was all due to PUSH factors proclaimed Gillard.

    What a waste of billions of dollars.

    Apparently our whole detention center network including visa overstayers only cost about $150M/year and only 6 boat people were in detention in 2007. This increased to billions/year under Rudd/Gillard/TB/Reb/Toilet et al

  57. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2014 10:08 am

    Another example of the benefits of shining a light into dark places:

    LIBERAL Party officials who try to privately influence government MPs as “strategic consultants’’ or “legal consultants” without identifying themselves as lobbyists face tough new regu¬lations to limit influence-¬peddling after the resignation of NSW premier Barry O’Farrell.
    Party officials will be forced to declare they are lobbyists and will have to choose between party ¬positions and trying to exert ¬influence.

    This is probably clearing the decks ahead of some nasty ICAC findings.

    It also shows that these inquiries, whether or not they lead to actual prosecutions (and I certainly hope they do), are worthwhile in that they cause changes for the better in our political system.

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 10:14 am

    Now let me get this straight …

    The economy is in dire straits … we desperately need to save money …

    So we need to make poor people pay more to see a doctor and stay healthy, to save $750 million, or $.75 billion dollars over four years …

    But we can afford to buy 72 F-35 JSF for $12.5 billion …

    Couldn’t we just have 60 F-35s instead (if they ever get built BTW) …

    Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in this, or just me …

  59. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2014 10:31 am

    Another way to look at it is that making people pay a small amount to use medical services might mean that there is a better allocation of resources in that sector and money can be re-allocated to other areas which are chronically underfunded.

    Given that the first and most important job of government is to ensure that the country exists and can defend itself I would not advocate cuts to defence spending without understanding why, say, 72 planes were decided upon. Australia’s defence spending is more important in a world where the default position of the Obama administration is to wind back US capacity to project power and to piss on US allies.

  60. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 10:37 am

    The Russian Stealth can outshoot the American, so we’ll need more of the US model to even up the odds.

  61. April 23, 2014 11:09 am

    The Abbott cheer squad has their hands over their ears and their head up there ass as usual, inventing some concocted third dimension of truth where they believe everything spun from the loom of loon… no boats, no drownings, economic catastrophic, freedom of speech warriors…. We will fix everything… Tony Abbot is the Errol Flynn of politics, everything he sees or touches he roots. left left left. bolt bolt bolt… semantic rhetorical ear spittle

    Then Kneely quotes Bolt quoting Hadley quoting Morrison… What a fucking moronic sock and sandle wearing monobrained pinhead….wonders why we don’t take him seriously. 🙄

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2014 11:25 am

    “Then Kneely quotes Bolt quoting Hadley quoting Morrison”

    Absolutely. No boats for 4 months.

    Do you have a problem with that or do you get thrills watching economic immigrants take the places of refugees from UNHCR camps??

    The guy who was murdered on Manus Island, Reza Berati, risked his life because he could not get a job as an architect in Iran. Wanted a job in Australia.

  63. April 23, 2014 11:52 am

    Absolutely. No boats for 4 months

    Well If Morrison via Bolt and Hadley told you that then it must be so, because its not like they would lie or have been convicted for lying at all? 🙄

    The guy who was murdered on Manus Island, Reza Berati, risked his life… blah blame apologist for barbaric.. simplistic, simpleton shite…

    I guess he has only himself to blame for being murdered in an offshore , outsourced Australian Gulag in a despot country we bribed then….

    Absolutely. Do you have a problem with that or do you get thrills watching economic immigrants take the places of refugees from UNHCR camps??

    Yep you’re a pinhead alright 🙂

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2014 12:15 pm

    As expected . No coherent argument.

    Lets hope we get back to taking asylum seekers from UNHCR camps.

    Cheaper and fairer system. Oh wait, that is what we used to do until you lot voted for Rudd/Gillard in 2007.

  65. April 23, 2014 1:02 pm

    …Another way to look at it is that making people pay a small amount to use medical services might guarantees mean that there is a better crowded emergency dept in hospitals allocation of resources

  66. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 1:06 pm

    Neil you win the argument, but you won’t get any admission from Ricky who only offers up strawmen.

  67. April 23, 2014 1:07 pm

    As expected . No coherent argument.

    Oh you came here for an argument as opposed to a debate? That would explain all the BOLT, HADLEY and Morrison quotes… apparently people like me love to watch people drown 🙄

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 23, 2014 1:16 pm

    KEVIN Rudd says he offered to stand aside for Julia Gillard to become prime minister at the end of 2010 if the government was facing election defeat — but Ms Gillard welshed on the agreement just minutes after it was made.
    For the first time, Mr Rudd has spoken on the record about the pivotal meeting with Ms Gillard in the prime minister’s Parliament House office on the evening of June 23, 2010, witnessed by Labor elder John Faulkner.

    – The Australian

    Who’d have thought that Gillard was a scheming liar who broke her word within 10 minutes?

    Paul Howes must be persuasive. He took the call just a few minutes before going on Lateline to announce Rudd was being rolled.

    Howes was a worthy successor to Shorten in the AWU, but since they’ve both tired of knifing Prime Ministers, they’ve both found a new road to Damascus, and only the most cynical would doubt their sincerity.

  69. Sir Walrus of the Northern Beaches permalink
    April 23, 2014 1:16 pm

    “”By Abbott refusing to hand over information to UNHCR on refugee’s hands burnt by RAN we can take it as state sanctioned torture “”

    So when was it proven that the RAN purposely burnt their hands.

    Or is that just another Leftist lie peddled out to muddy an argument.

  70. April 23, 2014 1:19 pm

    Neil you win the argument, but you won’t get any admission from Ricky who only offers up strawmen.

    How incredibly Scientific of you is that the new “IPA” jingo of the month phrase?

    My thoughts on the subject are well documented, both parties a retarded imbeciles..its just one has a “secret operation” from the directorate of propaganda disguised as a policy for the facile to lap up as the marching tune for a syncronised political one up goose step.

  71. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 1:37 pm

    ‘Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in this, or just me …’

    You’re not alone comrade.

    ‘Dennis Jensen says “no one has had the balls to call a halt to it” as he lambasts his own colleagues over $12b order.’

    SMH

  72. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 1:40 pm

    ‘its just one has a “secret operation” from the directorate of propaganda disguised as a policy’

    Prove it.

  73. April 23, 2014 1:45 pm

    Before we were sidetracked by facile strains of shock schlock cock quoting bulletins from the ministry of silenced kitten drowning propaganda :roll

    Paul Howes must be persuasive. He took the call just a few minutes before going on Lateline to announce Rudd was being rolled.
    Howes was a worthy successor to Shorten in the AWU, but since they’ve both tired of knifing Prime Ministers, they’ve both found a new road to Damascus, and only the most cynical would doubt their sincerity.

    Firstly Howes is a slimy prick. Had big hopes for him, has a great self educated mind, pity it was poised by Costa and Arbib. Look for him in some plumb corporate sperm spittoon now he’s connected like Arbib and Coste his mentors.

    Kevs out there Flappin it as Kev does, he’s a treaturous tnuc too almost as bad as Aboot the sand cast for dishonesty and general fucktarery.

  74. April 23, 2014 2:10 pm

    OMG

    Sky News turns on Abbott’s Asylum Seeker plan…

    http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=969881

  75. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 2:18 pm

    Yellow Press

  76. April 23, 2014 2:24 pm

    OMG
    Sky News turns on Abbott’s Asylum Seeker plan…

    They’re whores for hire mate what do you expect. These people like Egg and Kneelly Bin just attach their prejudices to whatever the host has on offer, fact is an inconsequential and sometimes inconvenient diversion from the delusion.

    Expect more of this as Abbott gets more whiffy than his already putridly rancid self. Greens up 5% Fiberals down 5% and Labor down 1%…wait till after the budget… 🙂

  77. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 23, 2014 2:35 pm

    Well Gillard leaked on Rudd now Rudd has leaked on Gillard. This circus most probably will go on for years with each side dribbling out little bits of gossip.

  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 23, 2014 2:47 pm

    “Well Gillard leaked on Rudd now Rudd has leaked on Gillard. “

    Indeed. They are both soaked in ALPee.

  79. April 23, 2014 2:48 pm

    “This circus most probably will go on for years with each side dribbling out little bits of gossip.”

    No doubt Neil, no doubt…..And then there’ll be the books, the memoirs, the 60 minute tell-all interviews etc…. *sigh*

  80. April 23, 2014 3:33 pm

    New Essential survey shows majority oppose cuts to ABC and plans to hike pension age….

    http://essentialvision.com.au/category/essentialreport

  81. Sir Walrus of the Sands permalink
    April 23, 2014 3:37 pm

    It just goes to show what a poor judge of character and situation Gillard always had/has.

    To even think she could have trusted Rudd thru to Christmas 2010 show how truly fucked up her judgement in all matter of things was/is.

    Rudd would have “drawn and quartered her ” politically by Christmas 2010.

    My bet is Shorten and Howes would have told her as much when she told them what she agreed to.

  82. April 23, 2014 3:45 pm

    Breaking: Government that says we must cut welfare announces biggest peacetime arms procurement in history….!

  83. April 23, 2014 3:49 pm

    So, Shortmen wants to `Rebuild` Teabag-Lite for the `Long-Haul` huh,

    Well they fcuked `that` up back here.

    http://730reportland.wordpress.com/730reportlands_alp_vote_breakdown/

  84. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 3:51 pm

    On the ABC the numbers reflect that an overwhelming majority of Labor and Green voters don’t want aunty to be cut. That shouldn’t surprise anyone.

    Hockey will probably only weed out inefficiencies of a minor nature and keep everyone happy.

    On the Arms Procurement I’m with Jensen.

  85. April 23, 2014 3:52 pm

    Seriously Who fucking cares…? Isnt that ancient history?…

    Bragging day is over girls, pick up ya dirty panties and petticoats and pay attention to what these slight of bland neck wringers are doing .. At least have some consciousness before they unceremoniously Roger you all in that little adoration sewing circle bitch pit.

    This bunch of Fucktards are in government (apparently) when they are not protecting the free hate speech of syndicated liars

    or kissing royal freckle or the popes ring

    or crying about being under the microscope of the real journalism of the ABC

    or punishing people who are awake to their bullshit….

    or making people Sis and Dames

    or building Gulags

    or conning depot nations to take our Refo’s so they can be unceremoniously murdered in our custody

    or just plain saying nothing then springing the surprise we all had to have

    If your so into it all buy the Womens weekly… just fuck off.

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 4:31 pm

    Breaking: Government that says we must cut welfare announces biggest peacetime arms procurement in history….!

    Breaking? Di’ ah miss sumthang, Jummy? 😯

  87. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 4:35 pm

    Ricky you should borrow some of ToM’s dot points, it might be a little easier for the casual punter to understand your thinking.

  88. April 23, 2014 4:41 pm

    ”””””””””””’
    http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/this-melbourne-mum-found-detroit-usa-unlike-any-other-city-shed-been-to-before/story-e6frfqc9-1226892393603
    ”””””””””””’

    Nice find TB, l don`t give a rat`s arse what Shortmen reckons he will change, Teabag-Lite stopped representing the `workers` yonks ago, just as the Teabags stopped representing `all` Aust. business(particularly-small) and both just bury their snouts deeper in the trough.

    They both seem hell bent on following the road-map to Detroit, and l just wonder which one of our cities will end-up like Detroit, or if each city will have a`chunk` of it like Detroit.

  89. April 23, 2014 4:49 pm

    ””””Breaking? Di’ ah miss sumthang, Jummy?””””

    Mr-Rabbit has re-joined teh-yank deal for 54? of their `junk` F34 flying pieces of junk, that kevin07/joolya canceled or reduced, (John-W originally signed-up),

    #Yay for Mr-Rabbit, `our` flying junk approver. #Teabags

  90. April 23, 2014 5:07 pm

    Poor ol’ Bill has one hell of a job ahead of him.

    GOOD LUCK BILL !!!

    Instead of wasting all my time and energy in watching TV last night, I doodled and drew until this (Labor rebuild) cartoon was ready for dispatch this morning.

    http://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-857

    Cheers

    Mick

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 5:28 pm

    ””””Breaking? Di’ ah miss sumthang, Jummy?””””

    April 23, 2014 10:14 am

    @ sreb and Tbag … do keep up …

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 5:31 pm

    Hey, Mick, wot’s , Bob Bill the Builder actually building? Looks like a scaffold?

    Luv, the irony (dontcha luv puns) …

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 5:54 pm

    Another way to look at it is … sb

    It certainly is … another way …

  94. April 23, 2014 5:56 pm

    Nice work Mick..

    It does seem odd, that despite Shorten being installed by the factional bosses (while the rank and file overwhelmingly wanted Albanese as leader) that he now seeks to remove their power and influence..

    As Sir Humphrey Appleby might have said “It’s a very courageous decision”…

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 6:06 pm

    And Sir Wally Humphrey would have been right in this case, methinks … ’twill do no good tho’ … the ALP need a good scouring … even the “new order” are pigswillers … Yvette D’Arth lost her Federal seat after achieving SWFA and swanned (I’m into puns agin) into Redcliffe (across the Pine River) as a State rep …

  96. public toilet permalink
    April 23, 2014 6:51 pm

    For the hundredth fucking time, Neil.

    I voted Howard out…not Rudd in.

  97. April 23, 2014 7:35 pm

    Ricky you should borrow some of ToM’s dot points, it might be a little easier for the casual punter to understand your thinking.

    Already Dotty enuff Egg 🙂

    Poor ol’ Bill has one hell of a job ahead of him.

    Great werk Mick two fumbs up

    Indeed. They are both soaked in ALPee.

    LOL good one Splatter 🙂

    For the hundredth fucking time, Neil.
    I voted Howard out…not Rudd in.

    Don’t bother mate he says the same circular shit over and over.. ALP supporters, UN Camps, John Howard, apparently anyone that didnt vote fiberal is left and loves watching refugees drown whilst reading commo manifesto’s ..blah de bolt de bolt debot de hadley de jones

    So those Disability bludgers are gonna do the heavy lifting (translation; become impoverished) so we can add to the arms trade retirement plan. All this War’ing hardware are we gonna Invade indonesia or somthing? Wouldn’t put it past the Mad Monk, he’s as mad as a cut snake and pissed on power.

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 7:41 pm

    Have you noticed the real difference between “camps” here?

    One group criticises both all sides of BS politics …

    … and the other rubbishes the ALP …

    … so who’s got the real problem?

  99. public toilet permalink
    April 23, 2014 7:49 pm

    Apparently, if anyone dies under the mismanagement of the Abbott regime, retarded logic dictates that it will be attributable to Neil…& every single other person who voted for Abbott, or to be rid of Gillard.

    I’ll be sure & labour the point when I collect enough longbows.

  100. public toilet permalink
    April 23, 2014 7:51 pm

    Ergo…the only way to not be responsible for bloody hands is to not vote.

    Happily, I haven’t voted twice now in the last year.

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 7:56 pm

    I’ll be sure & labour the point when I collect enough longbows.

    I’m not bad with a longbow – tried one at Conwy Castle … but I excelled with the crossbow … need a hand Ser T? Unless you want to up the ante a bit ….

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 7:57 pm

    So Ser T … Medicare or F35s? 🙂

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 8:21 pm

    And here’s an exercise in mass cynicism …

    http://www.strongchoices.qld.gov.au/postcode/planner

  104. April 23, 2014 8:24 pm

    One group criticises both all sides of BS politics …
    … and the other rubbishes the ALP …
    … so who’s got the real problem?

    Absolutely, spot on Sir. there are more than enuff fuckwits to go around , its just the Fiberal Noalition is trumps up high bar church of flagrant fibery… the front bench is the gift that keeps giving (shit you don’t want)

    So Ser T … Medicare or F35s?

    These wombats would die poised by ideology before they admitted anything that remotely resembles bipartisan.. remember the NDIS? Then its Internet inventing Mals Tinned fruit and string fraudband… All the wont touch ironclad, look over there..its a core promise scurrying into the cover of murdochracy.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7a1_1203839232

  105. April 23, 2014 8:31 pm

    …Apparently, if anyone dies under the mismanagement of the Abbott regime, retarded logic dictates that it will be attributable to Neil…

    neil killed reza barati

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    April 23, 2014 8:51 pm

    Sad … KL … but while we see the irony …

  107. public toilet permalink
    April 23, 2014 8:52 pm

    Medicare…every fkn time.

    If this country really needs defending, less than a hundred untried, barely endorsable toys from the US military industrial machine won’t make a jot of difference anyway.

    We are just being Uncle Sam’s good dog, as usual, and buying what we are told to…while, of course, the US keeps the goood bits of a bad deal to itself.

    Yay for us!

    Much more important a priority than health. Of course, the US doesn’t like working examples of a barely functional public health system either. Go figure…

  108. April 23, 2014 8:57 pm

    …Apparently, if anyone dies under the mismanagement of the Abbott regime, retarded logic dictates that it will be attributable to Neil…
    neil killed reza barati

    Only if Morrison tells Hadley on the Jones program and Dolt scribes it in poisonous lying vitriol… then it is fiberal law.

  109. egg permalink
    April 23, 2014 9:13 pm

    I’m a big fan of Dennis Jensen.

    ‘The West Australian MP said he had warned his colleagues about the Joint Strike Fighter purchase in the most recent party room meeting but lamented that Defence Minister David Johnston had said nothing.

    “I wouldn’t be critical of the Defence Minister only,” Dr Jensen said. “It shows a lack of judgment on so many levels.”

    ‘Successive Australian defence ministers had lacked the “technical expertise” to cut through Lockheed Martin’s “extremely convincing” sales pitches, Dr Jensen said.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-dennis-jensen-attacks-joint-strike-fighter-order-as-a-dud-decision-20140423-zqy6a.html#ixzz2zhspNgxK

  110. public toilet permalink
    April 23, 2014 9:58 pm

    Kudos to him for breaking ranks.

    The ALP would’ve bent over for war toys too, had they been in charge.

  111. April 24, 2014 6:01 am

    ””’Ergo…the only way to not be responsible for bloody hands is to not vote.””’

    ””’Happily, I haven’t voted twice now in the last year.””’

    #Disagree Strongly Teabags,

    Last time l voted against the drongo duopoly, puttin`em both last, there are plenty of voting combinations that can claim being `blood-free`, just not the pre-welded Locksteppers of both sides, dunny.

  112. April 24, 2014 6:02 am

    Commission of ideology….we cant afford the aged pension…. This from the party that was dragged kicking and screaming to compulsory superannuation, the minions of meager who idolise Howard Costello as economic gods; that refused to increase compulsory contributions….. Those of us with long memories are often shouted down as naysayers by this new “always right” generation of hacky sac spin tins.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-23/hockey-warns-tougher-means-testing-welfare-budget/5407462

  113. April 24, 2014 6:10 am

    ””””’Strike fighters give Australia ability to project massive air power

    Maintaining superiority in the air was behind the government’s decision to spend $12.4bn on the F-35 jets
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/23/strike-fighters-give-australia-ability-to-project-massive-air-power
    ””””””””’

    Yeah, provided Aust. only goes to war against Fiji or Tonga. lf it`s Indonesia, they`re fcuked. #FlyingTrashCans

  114. April 24, 2014 6:20 am

    ”””””US Senator John McCain said last year that the fighter’s surging cost to American taxpayers “made it worse than a disgrace” and “one of the great, national scandals that we have ever had”.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/23/strike-fighters-give-australia-ability-to-project-massive-air-power
    ”””””””’

    When ya`got a life-long teabag like mcCain stating their war-machine is,
    ”””worse than a disgrace”””
    ”””the great, national scandals”””
    ”””surging cost to American taxpayers”””’

    l find it `peculiar` that `our` canberra teabags see these as `positive` selling points, not to mention the pricing point.

    #OverPricedFlyingTrashCans

  115. April 24, 2014 6:34 am

    ””””””””Air Force Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan, said on a visit to Australia that parts of the plane were still coming off mid-air “too frequently”.””””””””’

    #Guffaw #Teabags #Reassuring #TrashCans

    .

    ”””””””That same month, the US Congress’s budget watchdog, the General Accounting Office, said that problems with reliability deemed the aircraft “unaffordable”.”””””

    #So of course `our` Leaders Followers in Canberra think Aust. should continue to buy`em, what fcuk-witz.

  116. April 24, 2014 6:56 am

    Child care and paid parental leave are listed by the commission among the top spending programs, at number 12, and it is the second-fastest growing with average annual growth slated to be 11.5 per cent.

    The Coalition’s new scheme is due to begin in 2015 at a cost of $5.5 billion a year, partly paid for by a 1.5 per cent levy on big business.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-23/hockey-warns-tougher-means-testing-welfare-budget/5407462

    .

    But the Opposition has slammed the scheme – which pays mothers who earn up to $150,000 a year their full wage for six months – and says it should be dumped.

    #How else are we expected to pay for `their` flying trash-cans, of course the little people will need to be fed into the mincer(as_usual) to accomplish vain-glorious international grand-standing. #Teabags

  117. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 7:16 am

    ‘Kudos to him for breaking ranks.’

    Yep, I like his style. Abbott will need to give Jensen a portfolio to keep him in check, or he’ll become the party’s most ferocious critic.

  118. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 7:24 am

    ‘…..two former Labor prime ministers have urged the party to undertake radical reform to ­reduce the power of unions and factions, steer policy back to the centre ground and heed the ­lessons of the often chaotic and dys­functional Rudd-Gillard gov­­ern­ments. They argue that Labor must undertake structural reform to curtail union influence over policy, candidates and the party organisation.’

    Bramston / Oz

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2014 8:12 am

    See Hockey is still aiming at the age pension …

    … just 14 per cent of those aged over 65 exist on their own funds without government help.

    er, Joe, read yer political history … that was the plan until super reached 12% for a generation (ideally 15%) but which party constantly blocked any increases?

    And what happened to the higher income taxes paid until 1992 – to fund the age pension?

    And if there are so many age pensioners (who vote) wouldn’t it be political suicide?

    Is there really so many??

    http://www.indexmundi.com/australia/age_structure.html

    Will the PPL be reconsidered?

    What about pollies perks and wages?

    Do we really need 72 stealth fighters?

    Should the MRRT stay – for when the miners actually do make a bumper profit?

    Do we actually need three tiers of government and all the substitution of PS?

    Should we introduce Soylent Green?

  120. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 8:44 am

    “Yeah, provided Aust. only goes to war against Fiji or Tonga. lf it`s Indonesia, they`re fcuked. #FlyingTrashCans”

    Oh, really? If Australia “went to war” with Indonesia – presumably you’re referring to an invasion by Indonesia, not one of Indonesia by Australia – how do you think Indonesia would transport sufficient ground troops to Australia (not to mention maintain supply lines) to occupy enough cities and towns to “win” this theoretical war, and what would Australia need in the way of military “assets” to prevent this?

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2014 9:05 am

    “This from the party that was dragged kicking and screaming to compulsory superannuation, the minions of meager who idolise Howard Costello as economic gods; that refused to increase compulsory contributions…”

    I thought this was one good thing the Hawke/Keating govt did but it does not appear to be working.

    What appears to be happening it that people retire, get their lump sum Super payout and then quickly spending it on a new home or overseas trips. Once the money is gone they then go on the pension.

    So it does not matter if Super contributions are 9%, 12%, 15% or 30%. People will always spend their payout quickly and then go on the pension.

    Perhaps it needs to be paid as a pension of some sort. Say 10% of your lump sum payout/year

  122. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 24, 2014 9:39 am

    Everyone seems to agree that unions have too much influence within the ALP. Even Bill Shorten, the union hit man with a back-stabbing knife in each bloodied hand, wants to lessen the power of unions in the ALP. Of course this change of heart comes only after the unions installed him as PM.

    The effect of this will be to push Labor further to the left. They will become a slightly more grown-up version of the Greens. But only slightly. This is good news for the activists. Instead of the electoral futility offered by the Greens they have a real chance of implementing dramatic social change through Labor.

    The reason they can do this is that a good portion of the electorate sees nothing wrong with tax and spend economics. For every fairyland government spending program there is a new tax that can be nominated, a hated class enemy (be it Gina Rinehart or the mining industry generally) who can be derided and squeezed for more taxes and if there is not enough tax raised there is no need to worry about skyrocketing government debt – the fact that other countries have massive debt means it must be a good thing, right?

    I disagree with this. I prefer a smaller and less intrusive government that doesn’t burden future generations with the bill for baby-boomer welfare. But the fact is that I am in a minority on this. The only reason that Abbott is in power is that the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd governments were diabolically bad. Not even a billion dollars in publically funded ABC cheerleading could save them.

    Keating said the following in relation to the economic approach he and Hawke adopted:

    That was a model which fostered economic growth, which put a high premium on social equity and justice, which fathomed a way of us, as Australians, tying ourselves competitively to the East Asian economic renaissance

    I don’t see any sign that the ALP, especially after it is overrun by social activists, can grasp the economic foundations of the Hawke/Keating model. They have no understanding at all that their fantastical big-government dreams have to be paid for in the here and now.

    The only glimmer of hope I see is that other countries are further down the track to La-la Land economics. When they are finally faced with the consequences of their feeble-minded policies and suffer the inevitable social dislocation that comes with it we might heed their lesson and return to a more balanced and conventional approach.

  123. April 24, 2014 9:42 am

    From what l`ve seen on `war-game` analyst`s Tinfoil`osy, it won`t matter, Aust loses in both of ya`scenarios, take a look around on my ABC site, l can`t remember which exactly, 4corners, 730reportland, qandaland, and my sbs. These F35 trash-cans are a `single` mission against Indonesia`s smaller, more powerful air-force.

  124. April 24, 2014 9:46 am

    ”””””””
    http://www.indexmundi.com/australia/age_structure.html
    ”””””””

    ha-ha TB, you`re playing unfairly, beating `our` teabags over the head with `facts` 🙂

    some how, l think mr-eleventy will remain determined to follow mr-rabbit over the cliff

  125. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 10:19 am

    I don’t have time to hang about, so here’s the white paper.

    http://www.defence.gov.au/WhitePaper2013/

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2014 10:21 am

    SB – I don’t think reducing the insidious and poisonous effect of (some) affiliated unions and increasing the role of the people who voluntarily devote their energies to the ALP will necessarily push it to the left.

    But the reform needs to go much further than just preselecton of candidates, the union control needs to be eliminated from the state and national conferences, where party platform is determined.

    Decent reform of the ALP will see-

    • Industrial relations become just another area of policy, rather than it being so deeply politicised. While ever unions overtly form part of the ALP, the Liberals will attack them in a way that business actually doesn’t seek.

    • Social and human rights issues are more likely to form part of the political debate. Marriage equality, asylum seekers, indigenous rights are all likely to get more lively political attention if union hacks don’t occupy all the speaking positions in the ALP.

    • Unions prattle on about IR, and force the ALP politicians to focus their energies on propping them up through restrictive legislation.

    • Industry support is unnecessarily politicised on the basis of the level of union membership.

    There are plenty of rational economic types who are social progressives, who aren’t Greens, but see no purpose in supporting the current form of the ALP.

  127. Sir Walrus of the North permalink
    April 24, 2014 10:22 am

    “………er, Joe, read yer political history … that was the plan until super reached 12% for a generation (ideally 15%) but which party constantly blocked any increases?……………”

    And of course the ALP came along and slashed the salary sacrifice contributions. But we don’t hear from the Lefties about that.

    “Should we introduce Soylent Green?””

    No way……………………..You’d make it taste all sour and bitter

  128. April 24, 2014 10:58 am

    I thought this was one good thing the Hawke/Keating govt did but it does not appear to be working.

    One good thing? See guys this is what I mean about blind lemming following. Super was just one part of the wide reforms to modernising the Economy Hawke and Keating had which was supposed to be ramped up and left people with 75% of their wage. Howard stopped it all and with it killed any chance of sustaining the onslaught of baby boomers retirement. Fuckwit Costello was all about “mom and pop investing in the stockmarket… well done Pete , you’re a fucking genius, How’d that work out? There is a large chunk of people that did there asses and retirement finances right there:roll:

    See the big problem I have is this myth that the Liberals sell that they are are great economic managers, prudent… History tells a much different story. All you fiberal fanclub that Applauds the laziest treasurer in history should Kiss PJK’s ass for the 10 years of legislative reform that the fiberals “as prudent custodians of the economy” failed and had no vision to achieve…Howard go a free pass from Keating, his legislative legacy in regard to Tax and income is ELL AYE DOUBLE YOU…. LAW.

    The effect of this will be to push Labor further to the left

    Sorry Splatter , I do hear you but I must say there are two schools of thought. Those of us in the middle who are factionally non-aligned and issue based see this as a great opportunity. It will be ugly, as is the case when people are made to relinquish power. Its much more complex than people are portraying because it will require changes to the caucus voting blocks and the federal executive in addition to maybe a change of the constitution…

    I dont see it as this big left push as you simplify it, that is just bollock its not how things work at branch level anymore, thats a simplistic media label version of reality. More representation at branch level is essential for the ALP survival and if it actually happens, it will be a radical and much needed change for future democracy of the ALP (Specifically branch stacking and the N40 which is rife)

    Rudd and Gillard are over and irrelevant, that system is profoundly broken as was the test by deposing a sitting PM. If the ALP is to survive, change is inevitable and the rank and file must get over it….. however the will must come from leadership from the top down.

  129. April 24, 2014 11:03 am

    Irrelevant and bitter as ever I see Walrus..policy envy will do that when you only have one right eye and only the right side of your brain is barely functional.. You should be on an alkaline diet with all that bitter acid… Its not a footy match 🙄

  130. Sir Walrus of the North permalink
    April 24, 2014 11:10 am

    “…………..Irrelevant and bitter as ever I see Walrus..policy envy will do that when you only have one right eye and only the right side of your brain is barely functional.. …………”

    ROFLMAO at your fucking hypocrisy more like it.

    It seems you’re the one here with the monopoly on bitter and twisted rants these days.

    Éven 730 Teabag’s comments have more clarity and makes better reading than your monotone crap.

  131. April 24, 2014 11:11 am

    Anyone sick of the sight of that fucking Idiot Rabbit can install this. I have been using it since Beta and it woks well. It replace Dickhead with a nice picture of a Kitten…

    http://stoptonymeow.com/

  132. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 11:11 am

    Australia’s Military Strategy
    2.9 The first of the ADF’s four Principal Tasks, as articulated in Chapter Seven of the 2009 Defence White Paper, is to deter and defeat armed attacks on Australia by conducting self reliant military operations.

    2.11 Our strategic geography requires principally a maritime strategy to achieve these aims. The sea-air gap and our Northern littoral approaches are at the centre of our Primary Operational Environment. Our geography affords us an opportunity to detect and respond effectively to hostile military operations and incursions at sufficiently long ranges to prevent an adversary reaching the Australian mainland.
    2.12 This maritime strategy, with its focus on controlling our sea and air approaches, does not imply a purely defensive or reactive approach to defending Australia. As the White Paper explains, the concept of a Primary Operational Environment should not be considered to impose a fixed operating boundary for the ADF. The ADF would seek to undertake
    proactive operations against an adversary’s bases and staging areas, and forces in transit, as far from Australia as possible.
    2.13 Our maritime strategy should not be misunderstood as a purely naval strategy. Australia’s maritime strategy requires land and air forces to assist in controlling our littoral approaches, secure or deny bases and defeat any incursions on Australian territory.

    http://www.defence.gov.au/oscdf/adf-posture-review/docs/final/Report.pdf

  133. April 24, 2014 11:18 am

    …The Coalition’s new scheme is due to begin in 2015 at a cost of $5.5 billion a year, partly paid for by a 1.5 per cent levy on big business…

    no mention of the 1.5% tax cut to business which negates their levy tax contribution?

    The ALP would’ve bent over for war toys too, had they been in charge.

    yes they would. I would still have felt ashamed that war toys are deemed more important than looking after people on pensions and those with health care needs or even environmental concerns.
    The libs love to have a society infiltrated by armed men [and women] in uniforms, in case the citizens start to get too unruly.

    SB – I don’t think reducing the insidious and poisonous effect of (some) affiliated unions and increasing the role of the people who voluntarily devote their energies to the ALP will necessarily push it to the left…

    Doesn’t it actually say something to know that the two major political parties are more conservative than the population they supposedly represent? The [majority] of old white males imposed on this country are preventing desired progress?

    I disagree with this. I prefer a smaller and less intrusive government that doesn’t burden future generations with the bill for baby-boomer welfare.

    the BB have paid their taxes all their working lives too and deserve looking after if needed. You don’t seem concerned about the much greater financial burden that will be imposed on future generations re global warming mess they will inherit because of do-nothing politics now. Guess you lot will be long dead by then, so who cares? BB welfare = bad, environment that supports future life = bad?
    WTF are we paying taxes for now, a fkn surplus for the tories to crow about as if that means something? I pay taxes to provide services to look after people, not for govt to refuse them.

  134. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 11:19 am

    Principal Task One: Deter and Defeat Attacks on Australia
    3.35 The highest priority ADF task is to deter and defeat armed attacks on Australia without having to rely on the combat or combat support forces of another country. Potential threats might range from minor raids or harassment up to a major sustained attack, possibly including attempts to seize Australian territory. A particularly difficult aspect of this task would be protecting our expansive maritime territory and strategically significant offshore territories and economic resources. If a potential threat could not be deterred, it would be essential to respond swiftly and decisively to any attack. Meeting these demands requires a strong and flexible ADF.

    Maritime Strategy
    3.42 Controlling the sea and air approaches to our continent is the key to defending Australia, in order to deny them to an adversary and provide maximum freedom of action for our forces. This strategy is focused on the maritime domain, and aims to:
    • deter adversaries from conducting attacks against Australia or attempting coercion;
    • achieve and maintain air and sea control in places and at times of our choosing in our approaches, deny or defeat adversary attacks and protect key sea lines of communication;
    • deny adversary forces access to forward operating bases or the freedom to conduct strikes against Australia from beyond our maritime approaches; and
    • project power by deploying joint task forces in the Indo-Pacific region and support the operations of regional partners when required.

    3.45 The geography of our continent and its maritime and littoral approaches poses a major challenge for any potential adversary to overcome, particularly if they sought to lodge and sustain land forces on Australian territory. An adversary would need to project power and exert control over long range and across large areas, in difficult operating environments, while attempting to protect and sustain extended lines of supply and communication. This strategic depth gives Australia significant advantages our maritime strategy seeks to optimise.

    http://www.defence.gov.au/WhitePaper2013/docs/WP_2013_web.pdf

  135. April 24, 2014 11:20 am

    Hey Walrus, you fickle flubber fool……that social observation of yours is so prolific… why dont you paste another News.com .au link for our endarkenment? I’d go to the clinic, you may have swallowed some of Tony’s Jiz and seeing he was in the Seman-ary you may have contracted something serious… Many..born to rule fool. tool.

  136. Sir Walrus of the North permalink
    April 24, 2014 11:23 am

    You are a real Commo loving fool Comrade Ranting Ricky

  137. April 24, 2014 11:27 am

    ”””The effect of this will be to push Labor further to the left.”””’

    l pretty much doubt this splatter, over the years they have really become Teabag-Lite at both Federal and State/s level and more often than not, we voters are stuck more often with a non-choice at election time. Both are following teh-usa handbook, and the more of a failure it has been for teh-usa, the more hell-bent our imbeciles become to follow it.

    When you say,
    ”””This is good news for the activists.””” then it will usually mean, it will be fcuking terrible for the rest of us on any topic, our so-called democracy is flooded with the `Lobbyist`dollar, which drowns-out the common plebs voice. We all can`t afford 3-grand for a bottle of wine, to get the ear of our Premier.

  138. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 24, 2014 11:34 am

    “There are plenty of rational economic types who are social progressives, who aren’t Greens, but see no purpose in supporting the current form of the ALP.”

    I really hope so, ToM. My feeling is that economic rationality doesn’t really cut it any more as far as most people are concerned. The expansion of government has resulted in a growing mendicant class who naturally vote Labor. Many people are now more interested in extracting what they can from government.

    Rudd promised before the 2007 election that he was an economic conservative but in government proved otherwise. I don’t see anyone in the opposition ranks who cares about this sort of thing anymore. Martin Ferguson was very much the exception and his economic views don’t seem popular these days.

  139. April 24, 2014 11:39 am

    Yeah Tinfoil`osy, that`s the adf / canberra sales pitch,

    none of which compares the scenario`s `you` selected,

    being Aust`v`Indo, or Indo`v`Aust, but as l pointed out above,

    former military, now independent `war-game` analyst`s reckon Aust will lose in both situations, whithout `allie`forces assisting.

  140. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 11:50 am

    “former military, now independent `war-game` analyst`s reckon Aust will lose in both situations, whithout `allie`forces assisting.”

    Got a link to that, or should we* just take as fact your recollections of what someone reckoned on some show you might have seen sometime on the ABC, or something?

    *Royal pronoun alert

  141. April 24, 2014 11:51 am

    You are a real Commo loving fool Comrade Ranting Ricky

    Outstanding effort 🙄

    economic rationality

    The very term has been hijacked by people on both sides who are neither economically literate or conservative (in economic terms)

    Splatter your perception of the changes are valid but from what I am hearing and what I have seen in the past… show me the money. Barry O’farrell, Obeid and alike is not the only ones with selective amnesia in NSW. The ALP is one of the least democratic institutions I have ever experienced.

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2014 11:54 am

    It replace Dickhead with a nice picture of a Kitten…
    http://stoptonymeow.com/

    same, I use it too ricky, so much nicer than looking at the fool.

    Social and human rights issues are more likely to form part of the political debate. Marriage equality, asylum seekers, indigenous rights are all likely to get more lively political attention if union hacks don’t occupy all the speaking positions in the ALP.

    union hacks aren’t the problem tomM, the libs deliberately use the fear/smear re AS, indigenous & marriage equality as a vote winner, they’ve been doing this ‘social divide’ as votes for ages, howard was the best at it, mark textor the creator.
    Doesn’t matter what the union hacks say, the social division is coalition policy, not labor’s.

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2014 11:55 am

    walrus is never far away from blowing a head gasket! 😆

  144. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:02 pm

    “to modernising the Economy Hawke and Keating”

    And you talk about the alleged myth of Costello being a good economic manager.

    I was around from 1983-1996 and i don’t remember any good economic numbers. I do remember us losing our AAA rating in the late 1980’s. I do remember govt debt tripling.

    I do remember Keating as PM wining an election when unemployment was at 11%. Only the ALP could win an election with unemployment that high.

    And Superannuation is not working. People are spending their lump sum payouts and then going on the pension. Perhaps the Super payout should be given as a pension.

  145. Sir Walrus of the North permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:03 pm

    “….walrus is never far away from blowing a head gasket!…””

    Not all the time Kitty

    Just sittin” here staring out onto the Tasman Sea and slowly pivoting on my chair for the lovely clear view over Broken Bay and beyond.

    Its a lovely day with a top of 29C expected before a Southerly change.

    Hardly a day to blow a gasket

  146. Sir Walrus of the North permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:04 pm

    “”People are spending their lump sum payouts and then going on the pension. Perhaps the Super payout should be given as a pension.””

    You are very correct there.

  147. April 24, 2014 12:06 pm

    they’ve been doing this ‘social divide’ as votes for ages, howard was the best at it, mark textor the creator.
    Doesn’t matter what the union hacks say, the social division is coalition policy, not labor’s.

    I feel this is tiring with the electorate… All this Faux outrage, us and them bullshit.. divide and conquer may work for a while but when you have to deliver and people realise you were just lying to get into power its usually a predictable outcome…especially when you promise “no surprises” and its all surprise. This government is sending one message of priority and doing whatever they want based upon the punishment wrecking ball of ideology.

  148. April 24, 2014 12:07 pm

    ””””””’Doesn’t it actually say something to know that the two major political parties are more `conservative` than the population they supposedly represent?””””””’

    l would replace `conservative` with corrupt armchair,

    plenty of us have some conservative elements, or are conservatives, and don`t go along with the mindless teabag chanting that tries to label itself as representing other things, but really only represents monster-corp. We are watching it play out right now.

    .

    The [majority] of old white males imposed on this country are preventing desired progress?

    Oh the tired old `feminista` lines (its all TB`s fault) don`t really pass muster, yep, l see ya`put in `majority`, but really armchair, do you really reckon any of the `power-women` of the world have been any better. Condi Rice, Gina Rinehart, Joolya, our females pollies, etc

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:12 pm

    Industrial relations become just another area of policy … Social and human rights issues are more likely to form part of the political debate

    ToM … IR links very closely with social and human rights … how workers and their families live within the framework of society (ie actually living) while supporting the economy (actually working) … and vice versa … the balance of that pendulum is important …

    This article by Ross Greenwood is heavily biased towards the economy but infringes on family and living time …

    Colouring your own eggs for Easter may become the norm if more businesses are forced to close over the Easter period due to penalty rates

    As the photo caption reads, “Colouring your own eggs for Easter may become the norm if more businesses are forced to close over the Easter period due to penalty rates” … so what’s wrong with spending a little time with your kids, colouring easter eggs, Ross?

    The article above is about making money at the expense of personal/family downtime … if the IR system was handed to the Libs … they’d simply allow employers to do what they like with other people’s lives …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    AS THE world commemorates the 10-year anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks, Australia’s bill for fighting terrorism edges towards $30 billion, and local analysts are questioning whether we are getting value for money.

    The $30 billion figure is an estimate, based on expert analysis of Australian spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the rivers of cash poured into police and intelligence agencies, and other security measures since the September 11 attacks on the US.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/terror-fight-costs-30-billion-20110910-1k3ez.html

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Minister and I went to our doc’s for our quarterly check up this morning … as we were waiting – (the bugger is always late to arrive!) – a lady – obviously a pensioner – came in and asked if she had to pay $6 now to see the doctor … the present situation was explained to her … and she left … perplexed and quite concerned (“so how will I know!”) … I asked the staff if they had had any other enquiries … they said quite a few by phone … but the lady we had seen was the first to come in … as we were booking our next visit the subject of the lady came up – they had just had another lady come in to ask the same question … multiply that by doctors surgeries all over the country … pretty cruel …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    WTF are we paying taxes for now, a fkn surplus for the tories to crow about as if that means something? I pay taxes to provide services to look after people, not for govt to refuse them.

    Hear! Hear! KL … well written para!

    As I mentioned a few days ago compulsory super has only been around for 22 years – and I have never received compulsory super … but I did work and pay taxes for 45 years …

    … and no one would dream of paying me back the estimated $4000 in actual lost pay and the damage and subsequent income loss to two careers because of compulsory service to the government …

    BTW for a rough value in todays dollars that $4000 would be about $25,000! (Our first home cost $12,000 – and it took us another three years to make the – compulsory 25% – deposit of $3000 – loan @ 8%) … The Minister and our little girl lived on $69 a fortnight (big come down from $280pf!) … I had $11pf …

    All governments are arseholes when it come to taking rather than giving … trust none …

  150. April 24, 2014 12:14 pm

    And Superannuation is not working. People are spending their lump sum payouts and then going on the pension. Perhaps the Super payout should be given as a pension.

    Absolutely, it should not be an option. Not everyone has the ability to manage their finances, especially being given a huge chunk of cash. One could argue its theirs, but it seems a bit stupid. Pay off the house or whatever….
    See Kneely we can agree on some fings

  151. April 24, 2014 12:16 pm

    as Tinfoil`osy doesn`t know how to scroll up,

    l said this earlier Tinfoil`osy,

    ”””take a look around on my ABC site, l can`t remember which exactly, 4corners, 730reportland, qandaland, and my sbs. These F35 trash-cans are a `single` mission against Indonesia`s smaller, more powerful air-force.””’

    ”””take a look around on my ABC site,”””which should even indicate to you, that l didn`t have/know the Link. #Teabags

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:18 pm

    Middling Power [Hugh White]
    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2012/september/1346903463/hugh-white/middling-power

    …This appealingly simple idea, that the reason we have a defence force is to defend ourselves against direct attack, has been central to defence policy for at least the past 40 years, and the public seems to accept it. But few people in government or Defence think that Australia faces any credible risk of major military attack, and fewer still believe we could defend ourselves if we did. As a result, neither the government nor Defence has taken what is supposed to be the main task of the ADF very seriously, which goes a long way to explaining why Defence has been lurching from one arms procurement or maintenance fiasco to another…

  153. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:22 pm

    ”””take a look around on my ABC site,”””which should even indicate to you, that l didn`t have/know the Link. #Teabags

    Exactly. So, in lieu of any actual, you know, evidence, it’s fair to treat your assertions on the matter as absolute bullshit.

    #justmakinshitup

  154. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:25 pm

    l see ya`put in `majority`, but really armchair, do you really reckon any of the `power-women` of the world have been any better. Condi Rice, Gina Rinehart, Joolya, our females pollies, etc

    The ‘power women’ are run by the power men. Look at how the ‘establishment’ coped with gillard over a mining tax. The women are installed as long as they don’t rock the status quo, these women [and gillard was one] take pride in achieving in the man’s world. They do not change or threaten to change the system, they are the female enablers of it.

  155. April 24, 2014 12:27 pm

    ””””another lady come in to ask the same question … multiply that by doctors surgeries all over the country … pretty cruel””””

    it`s the false economy the teabags seem hell bent on TB, not to mention the suffering, misery, stress etc, that is inflicted on folks,

    (hope you and Mrs-TB`s medicals come back A-okay)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    WTF are we paying taxes for now, a fkn surplus for the tories to crow about as if that means something? I pay taxes to provide services to look after people, not for govt to refuse them.

    Hear! Hear! KL … well written para! —#DITTO
    #Fcuk Teh surplus fetish

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:27 pm

    “WTF are we paying taxes for now, a fkn surplus for the tories to crow about as if that means something? I pay taxes to provide services to look after people, not for govt to refuse them.

    And that is the difference between you and me.

    We lost our AAA credit rating under Hawke/Keating. It took six surplus budgets by Costello to get it back. A triple A rating means the Australian govt can borrow money at the lowest interest rates. Boosts business confidence as well meaning they will employ more people and the govt gets more tax revenue.

    I notice that Labor has produced flyers showing how low our debt is compared to other countries and bragging about it. You get low debt by running a surplus budget.

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:29 pm

    “”People are spending their lump sum payouts and then going on the pension. Perhaps the Super payout should be given as a pension.””

    You are very correct there.</I.

    And I thought CPA's* new something about super too! Oh dear, wrong again …

    Speaking at the Conference of Major Superannuation Funds in Brisbane, she said the average super balance for men aged 65 was still about $198,000 and for women $112,000 but these numbers were distorted by a small proportion of people with more super and most retirees had only $70,000 to $80,000.

    Here … Kneel and Wally pick any article … you won’t find these facts in the Liberal Party Family Play Book …

    https://www.google.com.au/#newwindow=1&q=average+baby+boomer+superannuation

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:35 pm

    … and no one would dream of paying me back the estimated $4000 in actual lost pay and the damage and subsequent income loss to two careers because of compulsory service to the government …

    but you do qualify for a veterans health card don’t you tb? Wouldn’t that be quite a saving as you get older? Also do the wives of vets cards get any benefits? Do you get an extra pension entitlement as well?

    I don’t know these things that’s why I’m asking. And I hasten to say that I am happy to pay taxes for those purposes, not for the wealthy to get wealthier or for corporate lobbyists to buy a government puppet.

  159. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:39 pm

    http://www.ifs.net.au/advice-centre/advice-toolkit/frequently-asked-questions/faqs-retirement/#spend%20all%20super

    Can I spend my entire super and then get the pension?

    If you are over 60 and have permanently retired from the workforce, you will be able to withdraw 100% of your super, spend it, and then apply for the age pension if you have reached the qualifying age.

    You do not need to spend all your money to receive the pension and in many cases you may be better off maximising the income from your super/investments than solely relying on the age pension.

    And if people can do that they will.

  160. April 24, 2014 12:44 pm

    ””””The women are installed as long as they don’t rock the status quo, these women [and gillard was one] take pride in achieving in the man’s world. They do not change or threaten to change the system, they are the female enablers of it.””””’

    Yeah armchair, l agree with that when it comes to Joolya, our female pollies and Condi-Rice, but not Gina.

    Gina has definitely been an arse-hole, all under her own steam, looting kids trust, 2-bucks a day `african` slaves, media buy-up to shout-down other voices.

    l was mainly trying to get at (female,gay,black,etc) won`t bring improvements, they will trough-snout too, be too corrupt and/or cowardly to `actually` change anything.

    Example, Collin Powell (black), Condi Rice (black,female,gay?), both chose to lie, invade Iraq and loot and destroy it. They didn`t do an Edward Snowden. Those that seek power seem to be ego-maniacs, greedy, psychopaths etc

    The color/gay/sex thing just won`t make any difference to their treatment of those below them. #Qantas/Gay

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:45 pm

    Boosts business confidence as well meaning they will employ more people and the govt gets more tax revenue.

    As long as business can employ them for peanuts and the workers have no entitlements or control over their own labour. Workers sell their labour, that is what they do, if business has no compliance rules in this deregulated world, then organised labour should have none to comply with also. They should be free to withhold their own labour at any time they choose, free to associate with whomever they choose and free to organise against any regulation too.

    It should be equal for both worker and employer and let’s see how that goes.

  162. April 24, 2014 12:51 pm

    ””””most retirees had only $70,000 to $80,000.””””

    Yeah, l believe that. That number is also going to drop for the next gens, stuck in the junk-job cycle, half-time employment equals half-time super.

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:54 pm

    Gina has definitely been an arse-hole, all under her own steam, looting kids trust, 2-bucks a day `african` slaves, media buy-up to shout-down other voices.

    She’s in a class of her own, she thinks her enormous wealth entitles her to enormous privilege. She wants to be a player in government. I think she would like to do a clive and buy her own political party to influence society according to gina’s own prejudices. Her kind of ‘thinking’ comes from inherited wealth, never having known a day when she hasn’t been totally indulged. One of the true elites who have somehow managed to convince people that their wishes are the same as those of ordinary folks, that is the great con of the conservatives.

  164. April 24, 2014 12:55 pm

    ”””’It should be equal for both worker and employer and let’s see how that goes.”””

    Fcuking oath it should, been sayin`it for years me`self. lt`s a scam that people are 2nd-class citizens in their own country, while corporations are given 1st-class status.

  165. Sir Walrus of the North permalink
    April 24, 2014 12:59 pm

    “”Gina has definitely been an arse-hole, all under her own steam, looting kids …………..”

    ROFLMAO ………………..that must rank as comment of the week

    How hilarious………………!

    Since when have you given a flying f**k about her poor little kiddies ?

  166. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2014 1:03 pm

    I like Gina.

    Don’t know much about her except what is posted on this blog.

    But anything/anybody that gets the lefties upset is fine by me.

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 24, 2014 1:14 pm

    abbott giving his speech to the royals:

    “you have the sense of duty of your father and the compassion of your mother”

    😯

    *misogyny on parade*

  168. April 24, 2014 1:22 pm

    Gina has definitely been an arse-hole, all under her own steam, looting kids trust, 2-bucks a day `african` slaves, media buy-up to shout-down other voices.

    blubbering”””How hilarious _ Since when have you given a flying f**k about her poor little kiddies?”””””

    Your moral fiber prevents you using the quote in full Blubbers, just as Gina`s moral fiber allows her to knock-over her kids trust, or the bank-robbers to knock-over westpac.

    #Those of us with some moral fiber know right from wrong.

  169. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2014 1:24 pm

    #pantswettersarehappytogivethe’attack’departmentablankcheque

    #shitscaredofshadows

    #userpaysforhealthteabagfetishitem

    #civilianspayforbrokenwartoys

  170. April 24, 2014 1:24 pm

    *misogyny on parade*

    do you really expect anything else from mr-rabbit

  171. Sir Walrus of the North permalink
    April 24, 2014 1:27 pm

    *misogyny on parade*””

    Kinda conjures up memories of a certain female PM volunteering to appear in a photo shoot for the cover of a Woman’s magazine knitting something for the Royal baby.

    #thetapofallegedmisogynybeingturnedonwhenneededbyaPM

  172. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2014 1:27 pm

    #neilrevelsinhisignorance

    #proudtobeusingretardedlogic

  173. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 1:32 pm

    #allhashtagnoargument

  174. April 24, 2014 1:38 pm

    #allstringAndNoTag

  175. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 1:42 pm

    #allcrapnocred

  176. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 2:01 pm

    ‘One of the true elites who have somehow managed to convince people that their wishes are the same as those of ordinary folks, that is the great con of the conservatives.’

    Gina wants to grow Australia for the benefit of all, particularly the new arrivals who are prepared to roll up their sleeves.

  177. April 24, 2014 2:01 pm

    #mustBeaTeabag

  178. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 2:03 pm

    “#Those of us with some moral fiber know right from wrong.”

    #moralisingmoralisers

  179. April 24, 2014 2:10 pm

    I like Gina.
    Don’t know much about her anything, i’m a clueless ignorant political pygmy, except what is posted on this blog.
    But anything/anybody that gets the lefties upset is fine by me.

    Kneel you really are a fucking clueless idiot…. perfect clueless fodder for lemming propaganda from the likes of Dolt.

    #onlyfuckwitsusehashtagsinablogwithnohashtags

    This adoration of Rheinhardt is a bit like the royals, inherited wealth by lazy children who swan about and pretend to be smart…

  180. April 24, 2014 2:21 pm

    #corporateWorshipingOnAllFours

  181. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2014 2:52 pm

    #unclesamsbitch

    #bendoverforlockheedmartin

  182. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 2:54 pm

    ANDEV seems to have closed up shop after the Coalition embraced the concept of northern expansion.

    http://www.andev-project.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/The-Coalitions-2030-Vision-for-Developing-Northern-Australia.pdf

  183. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 3:19 pm

    “*misogyny on parade*”

    #twittertoldmeso

  184. April 24, 2014 3:37 pm

    ””””””””’The $30 billion figure is an estimate, based on expert analysis of Australian spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the rivers of cash poured into police and intelligence agencies, and other security measures since the September 11 attacks on the US.

    While the spending has been unquestioned by political leaders, analysts are asking if it is time to re-assess whether the risk warrants the expense.
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/terror-fight-costs-30-billion-20110910-1k3ez.html
    ””””””””””””””””””’

    ”””’The $30 billion figure is an estimate,”””’
    probably the low end too, knowing pollies,

    .

    ”””Australian spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,””
    ”””rivers of cash poured into police and intelligence agencies,””’
    ””’the spending has been unquestioned by political leaders,”””

    Nice to remember that TB,
    $30-bill is quite a chunk of cash to `choose` to throw on the bonfire of unnecessary spending, and if memory serves me correctly, initiated by those claiming `economic`responsibility, and the `other` lot that are totally different-same, would have done exactly same-different thing.

  185. armchair opionator permalink
    April 24, 2014 3:40 pm

    “misogyny on parade*”

    #twittertoldmeso”

    Rubbish, typical bias. I formed my own opinion.
    I heard him on TV before I went to work

  186. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 3:47 pm

    Eventually found ANDEV and its a hive of information. Didn’t know that 68% of Queensland is state owned.

    http://www.andev-project.org/author/admin/

  187. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 4:17 pm

    Abbott mentions Princess Di.

    #misogyny #nobias

  188. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 4:24 pm

    ‘…and the `other` lot that are totally different-same, would have done exactly same-different thing.’

    Yeah its this alliance with the Americans, there is bipartisan agreement. Looking ahead to 2030 I can’t see any more wars of adventurism in our theatre, but it pays to be vigilant.

    Chinese expansion is the game changer, forging new alliances with the Middle Kingdom should free us from the yolk of US arms dealers selling snake oil.

  189. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 24, 2014 4:40 pm

    Hockey:

    This intergenerational aspect to the budget repair challenge has an inescapable moral dimension.

    This is seen most clearly in Southern Europe where the most significant victims of the deep recessions have been young people, with youth unemployment in Greece and Spain close to 60 per cent. It is a hard truth that in many developed countries past and current generations have squandered their childrens’ future.

    We cannot allow our nation to fall into this trap.

    But your average dropkick leftist would rather go on spending, spending, spending. It makes them feel good. At some level they must understand the tragic consequences of their statist solutions but they don’t care about that any more than they care about drowning a thousand assylum seekers. That is not the point. The point is their moral vanity.

  190. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2014 4:47 pm

    Yes, oddly there are ####some### contributors who think we can just continue to provide the old aged pension to middle aged people.

    ###apparently it is good to have capable middle aged people stop work so that the tax burden can fall (ever increasingly) on the narrowing taxpayer base.

    ###it makes ###economic### sense to reduce the workforce participation rate###

  191. April 24, 2014 4:54 pm

    This is seen most clearly in Southern Europe where the most significant victims of the deep recessions have been young people, with youth unemployment in Greece and Spain…yada tad bulshit bulshit…

    Fuck of already… ids this another great moral challenge? Can I buy a vowel B_llshit.. maybe a U as in You have to be fucking kidding…

    But your average dropkick leftist would rather go on spending, spending, spending. It makes them feel good…

    Obviously you are buying this facile bullshit….

    We cannot allow our nation to fall into this trap.

    What the Claptrap? Too late Splatter is quoting it like its real along with Money pit Drawing board jets for wars we will never have, budget emergencies and invasion by boat people.. 🙄

  192. April 24, 2014 4:58 pm

    So fucking pissed off I broke my keyboard… thanks splatter 🙂

  193. April 24, 2014 5:05 pm

    The point is their moral vanity.

    Yep any Treasurer that sells his budget wrapped in that lie has a problem with both morality and vanitySanity

  194. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:07 pm

    That is what makes commenting fun, Ricky – the surge of anger upon realising that someone could say such stupid stuff. The adrenaline flows, the ideas flash, maybe a nice phrase springs to mind, the keys are pounded and perhaps some sense of vindication at having explained the truth yet again. Only to have the silly fucker come back at you again like a bobbing clown.

  195. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:08 pm

    ‘The point is their moral vanity.’

    Nothing short of hubris.

  196. April 24, 2014 5:09 pm

    PIERRE SPREY, FORMER PENTAGON ANALYST: Every aspect of that airplane is basically a failure waiting to happen.

    .

    PIERRE SPREY, FORMER PENTAGON ANALYST: So we have an airplane that can’t turn to escape fighters, can’t turn to escape missiles, sluggish in acceleration because it’s so big and fat and draggy and doesn’t have enough motor for the weight.

    My prediction is the airplane will become such an embarrassment that it will be cancelled before 500 airplanes are built.

    .

    PETER GOON, CO-FOUNDER, AIR POWER AUSTRALIA: They’ve produced an aircraft that is not going to do the job.

    Clearly it’s not competitive even with aircraft that are in our region today, let alone those that are coming down the pipe,

    .

    PIERRE SPREY: (laughs) It’s an almost ludicrous comparison, and it’s sad. I’m terrifically saddened that an airplane that we started working on in 1968 is so much better than an airplane that we won’t have in service until 2018 or 2020.

    The F-16 would shred the F-35 on any mission you care to mention.

    .

    PIERRE SPREY: Because of the enormous complexity, every aspect of that airplane is basically a failure waiting to happen and super hard to fix. The computer system is a nightmare and they’re so behind schedule. They’re more behind schedule on software than on anything else.

    #

    but wait Tinfoil`osy, there is more 🙂

  197. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:10 pm

    I agree with Pierre and Dennis Jensen.

  198. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:11 pm

    Cost blowouts on the NBN, health system, pension etc. = screeeeeech, wail, gnash…squirt

    Cost blowouts on the JSF project = ….(squirt, squirt)…tumbleweeds…

  199. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:15 pm

    ‘… and perhaps some sense of vindication at having explained the truth yet again.’

    And rightly so.

    I miss JJ, at least he knew how to string words together.

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:21 pm

    “… having explained the truth yet again”

    ? Wot?

    The F35 is at least 18 months behind schedule and has been clobbered in sims against the latest Russion MiG …

    If you were in the market … you’d say you’d just bought a lemon … but I don’t think the Russians would sell us theirs …

  201. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:24 pm

    Vary interesting, Bagz. Only time will tell if Pierre is correct.

    Found anything on that Indonesia-beats-Australia-in-a-war tripe?

    #didn’tthinkso.

  202. April 24, 2014 5:29 pm

    Only to have the silly fucker come back at you again like a bobbing clown.

    Yep… I’m off to record in the country for four days. Glad to be away from it. Wake me up after the budget after they’ve skinned all the pensioners, outsourced more gulags, iseed the hate licences and burnt all the textbooks. I’m bunkering down with some real folk who like me have equal contempt for all political apparatchiks and mass media dictators.

  203. April 24, 2014 5:32 pm

    #Once Upon a Tinfoil`osy,

    .
    ”””””””””So, in lieu of any actual, you know, evidence, it’s fair to treat your assertions on the matter as absolute bullshit. #justmakinshitup”””””””’

    .
    Wot, Like this,

    .

    Canada is now reconsidering whether to buy the F-35 at all. So is the Netherlands. Cash-strapped Italy has cut back its order.

    .

    WING COMMANDER CHRIS MILLS (RET’D), REPSIM (speaking in front of a projection screen): If you watch the screen anytime you see a flash, it’s a missile going off. You’ll see a star.

    ANDREW FOWLER: Retired Wing Commander Chris Mills is a former air warfare strategist in the Australian Defence Department.

    Using computer simulations, he demonstrates how the F-35 would fare in combat against its likely foes, Russian built Sukhois, also known as Flankers.

    .

    ANDREW FOWLER: In this scenario involving an air battle against the Chinese version of the Sukhois, only one of the 24 JSFs survive.

    WING COMMANDER CHRIS MILLS (RET’D) (indicating a chart of losses and expenditures for the simulated battle): Okay, what have we got here? This is the loss for the USA – both of AWAC Sentries, all of the tankers, and 23 of the 24 JSFs.

    So this is particularly bad day at the office. They don’t usually lose quite that many.

    ANDREW FOWLER: Mills has repeated the war game exercise several times. Each time it’s a similar story.

    WING COMMANDER CHRIS MILLS (RET’D): Two hundred and forty Joint Strike Fighters went out over those ten missions and 35 came home – so that’s not quite annihilation but it’s a very savage defeat.

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2013/02/18/3690317.htm

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Today`s lesson`s for Tinfoil`osy,
    1-scrolling up works
    2-google finds stuff #Teabags 🙂

  204. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:47 pm

    “Today`s lesson`s for Tinfoil`osy,
    1-scrolling up works
    2-google finds stuff #Teabags”

    Today’s tactics lesson, using Bagz as an example:
    1-If you’re caught making shit up, change the subject and pretend that’s what you were talking about all along.
    2-Get your quotes from any ABC source – they always support the green-left perspective.

  205. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:51 pm

    Tongue in arse of American war toy peddlers is a bipartisan malady.

    But hey, let’s all pay more for basic health services because preemptive pantswetting is a far greater priority.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:52 pm

    “using Bagz as an example:

    …and –

    ➢ #######
    ➢ “”””””######””””””””

  207. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2014 5:58 pm

    STOP PRESS…!

    Tinfoilosy rejects evidence of JSF cost blowouts because it wasn’t found in Bolt’s Hole.

    Declares F-35’s ‘best ever’ & guarantees dramatic further price reduction & an end to the project’s plague of unworkabilities.

  208. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 6:01 pm

    Yeah, whatever. 🙄

  209. April 24, 2014 6:05 pm

    The document shows that the Australian Government ignored expert advice that it would not be viable to join the development stage of the Joint Strike Fighter program, back in 2002.
    http://abc.net.au/4corners/documents/JSF2013/FOI_document.pdf

  210. April 24, 2014 6:23 pm

    ”””anything on that Indonesia-beats-Australia-in-a-war tripe? #didn’tthinkso.”””

    #Tinfoil`osy 🙂

    ”””””””””””MARK BANNERMAN: Rick Fisher works for the International Strategy and Assessment Centre, focusing on threat assessments in the western Pacific.

    He says many Asian air forces might be made up of Russian cast-offs now, but in years to come, China, Indonesia and others will rearm and that’s bad news for Australia, equipped with the JSF.

    RICK FISHER: The weaknesses is that it will not be able to defeat the possible competition that you will face within a decade.
    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2213611.htm
    ””””””””””””””

  211. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2014 6:25 pm

    Dismissive retort = as bad as a ‘green left’ perspective = selective economic outrage

  212. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2014 6:25 pm

    * guffaw

  213. April 24, 2014 6:31 pm

    oh no Tinfoil`osy

    ”””””””””’The report says the JSF is: “‘Double inferior’ relative to modern Russian/Chinese fighter designs in visual range combat.”

    And has

    “Inferior acceleration, inferior climb, inferior sustained turn capability.”

    It concludes that the JSF: “Can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run.”
    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2373457.htm
    ””””””””””””””’

  214. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 6:35 pm

    ‘If you’re caught making shit up, change the subject and pretend that’s what you were talking about all along.’

    ‘To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument.’

    wiki

  215. April 24, 2014 6:52 pm

    Remember these #Teabags

    ”””””””””””Whoever runs against US President Barack Obama will need, according to my guest today, the support, the endorsement and the seemingly unstoppable energy of the growing Tea Party movement.

    I’m Monica Attard. This is Sunday Profile. And we’re joined today by Amy Kremer, the director of the Tea Party Express.

    The Tea Party says that president Obama has been on a wild spending spree and that only they, the true conservatives, have the fortitude and the courage to stop him.

    To that end the Tea Party advocates a 40 per cent cut to federal spending to rein in the staggering national debt of $14.3 trillion.
    http://www.abc.net.au/sundayprofile/stories/3257127.htm
    ”””””””””””””””””””’

  216. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 6:57 pm

    “Dismissive retort”

    Of course it was dismissive. You deliberately and completely misrepresented my position. I went to great lengths to debunk that fuckwit Teabagz’s assertion that Indonesia would win a war against Australia. I also highlighted passages that made it clear that Australia’s “maritime” defence strategy requires air as well as sea power. Show me where I have defended the choice of the JSF. I’m neutral on that.

  217. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 7:05 pm

    The government has released its climate change white paper, which proves conclusively that Hunt is an idiot.

  218. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2014 7:14 pm

    1-If you’re caught making shit up, change the subject and pretend that’s what you were talking about all along.
    2-Get your quotes from any ABC source – they always support the green-left perspective.

    You got trumped ToSY … big time … I saw that (and other) sims … the JSF is a shit model … that’s why we had to buy .. the F-18 Hornets – as an interim measure because the F111 had to be decommissioned …

    Don’t forget that the recruitment and training for both aircrew and groundcrew is on top of the $12.4 billion …

    Part of the presentation showed a computer simulation which calculated that the F-35 would be consistently defeated by the Russian-made SU-35 fighter aircraft. The defeat calculated by the scenario also showed the loss of the F-35’s supporting airborne-early warning and air-to-air refueling aircraft.

    The technology in the SU-35 will also see its way into growth upgrades of other SU-fighter variants used by countries like Indonesia, India, Malaysia and Vietnam. Chinese variants of these aircraft should also see similar growth capability in the coming years.

    The Russian-made T-50, PAK-FA low-observable fighter now in development is expected to be much more lethal than the SU-35 in air-to-air combat against the U.S. made F-35. The SU-35 and T-50 made appearances this year at the Russian aerospace industry air show known as MAKS2011. Both aircraft will include sensors and networking which can minimise the effects of the limited low-observable qualities of the F-35. They will also have higher performance and carry more air-to-air weapons than an F-35.

    Something about … having explained the truth yet again.

    But back to the age pensioners … ’cause I wondered why the F35 suddenly bobbed up … but look what we are talking about! (Look over there … and Hockey won’t talk to anyone … fkn coward)

    Tomorrow will be interesting … people plan for decades to retire … governments shifting the goal posts are never, ever popular!

    Money managers my arse!

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2014 7:18 pm

    BTW, that was from an article on the F 35 in Sept 2011 …

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    April 24, 2014 7:19 pm

    The government has released its climate change white paper, which proves conclusively that Hunt is an idiot.

    Slow, but at least you learn eventually …

  221. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 7:39 pm

    ‘Slow, but at least you learn eventually …’

    No, I’ve always held that opinion of Hunt who should have been sacked and replaced with Jensen, the only scientist amongst them.

  222. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2014 7:53 pm

    “You got trumped ToSY … big time … I saw that (and other) sims … the JSF is a shit model

    Please tell me what your expertise in this area is?

    My area of expertise is, if Labor is for it, i am against it.

  223. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2014 7:57 pm

    #retardedlogicfail

    It has bipartisan support, Neil.

    So, you were saying?

    * Unfknblvbl

  224. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 7:58 pm

    Neil, I think you’ll find this is a bipartisan agreement.

  225. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 24, 2014 8:00 pm

    TB is against it. he said this

    the JSF is a shit model”

  226. public toilet permalink
    April 24, 2014 8:03 pm

    Labor is for it, you monotone golem.

  227. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 8:14 pm

    A long read by Mark Steyn in defence of free speech.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9187741/the-slow-death-of-free-speech-2/

  228. armchair opionator permalink
    April 24, 2014 8:44 pm

    “But your average dropkick leftist would rather go on spending, spending, spending. It makes them feel good…”

    Not really, but dropkick lefty do think that if we are wealthy enough for spending on war toys we are wealthy enough to look after our elderly who have paid taxes without as much access to super all their lives.
    Would you prefer if we euthanised at a certain age? That would assist the budget greatly. Oh that’s right the conservatives are against anyone choosing to take their own life – they should live out the rest of their lives without decent health care, housing or even nutrition.
    Yep, so compassionate.
    It is a moral issue – how we treat our frail elderly, you lot make me sick when all your concerned about is a budget surplus, no
    humanity or decency.

  229. Tony permalink
    April 24, 2014 8:46 pm

    “You got trumped ToSY … big time …”

    Really? Who do you think would win a war between Australia and Indonesia? You’ve been conspicuously quiet on your “area of expertise” (because you know I’m right, I suspect).

  230. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 8:56 pm

    ‘…you lot make me sick when all your concerned about is a budget surplus, no
    humanity or decency.’

    Hockey said he would look after the most vulnerable, its just that some of the largesse has to be reigned in.

    He’s flying kites and banging on a large drum, but its only a pre-budget beat-up of his own making.

  231. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 8:59 pm

    ‘Who do you think would win a war between Australia and Indonesia?’

    With our American allies close at hand we couldn’t possibly lose.

  232. egg permalink
    April 24, 2014 9:25 pm

    Old infrastructure sold to build new infrastructure.

    ‘In a financial win for Queensland Investment Corporation, the state’s 70km tollroad system has been sold for more than twice the pricetag it settled for in 2011.

    ‘The fronting running consortium comprising Transurban, subsidary of the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority Tawreed Investments Limited, and Australian Super pulled off the Queensland Motorways sale with a $7.057 billion bid.

    ‘The sale well exceeded expectations of market watchers who expected the sale to fetch between $6 billion and $6.5 billion.

    ‘That more than doubled what the QIC paid when the Labor government transferred the asset in May 2011 to QIC’s investment arm. It then carried a $2.9 billion debt.’

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/7-billion-queensland-motorways-makes-healthy-profit-for-qic-20140423-374ta.html#ixzz2znmNRg4Y

  233. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2014 10:40 pm

    “You got trumped ToSY … big time …”

    I alys find that kind of statement interesting on a political blog. It was the knid of startement that was repeatedly directed to me when I’d say stuff like – ”unions have an insidious and unhealthily level of control over the ALP”

    Often the chorus of replies would be –

    ➢ Where’s the evidence?
    ➢ Liberal troll
    ➢ You’re making it up
    ➢ Bulls**t

    On such issues, it is time that PROVES who was right, and those that made statements such as the above, find it difficult to justify them these days. It’s easier for them to just opt out.

  234. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 24, 2014 10:41 pm

    (blame a nice 2002 Barossa cab sav for the spelling mistakes)

  235. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2014 11:53 pm

    “You got trumped ToSY … big time … I saw that (and other) sims … the JSF is a shit model ”

    Just wait for the 12 x South Australian Submarine Program

    # leftieslovejobsupportforcrapboatsAGAIN

    # butmoneyspentonusastateofartoffshelfisbad

    # researchtellsyounondemocraticregimesbuildshitplanesbecausenevertestedproperly

    # japanreliedonzeroallthruww2

    # germanyreliedonme109

    #ukbuilthurricainespitfiremosquitowellingtonlancasteretcetc

    #yanksendwarwithmustangsandb49

    # Doleftiesflyaeroflop?

  236. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 24, 2014 11:56 pm

    Oh how I love Woodside Petroleum by the way

  237. April 25, 2014 12:23 am

    A gutter trash simulation showing the combined collective understanding of Avionics and aeronautical engineering expertise in the regard to the appraisal of the capabilities for informed strategic procurement of billion dollar war toys.

  238. April 25, 2014 12:27 am

    #walrusbendsforlockheedmartin

  239. April 25, 2014 12:32 am

    ””””””Really? Who do you think would win a war between Australia and Indonesia? You’ve been conspicuously quiet””””””””’

    #Oh Really Tinfoil`osy,

    ””””””””The federal opposition(#teabags) has dismissed new doubts about the capacity of the multi-billion dollar Joint Strike Fighter to perform against jets used by Russia(#and_Indonesia) and China.

    The JSF jets, for which Australia is likely to pay $16 billion, were comprehensively beaten in highly classified simulated dogfights against Russian-built Sukhoi fighter aircraft, it has been reported.
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/articles/2008/09/11/1220857689496.html
    ””””””””””””””(#my add-in`s of course)

    Tinfoil`osy, these `war-games` have been run, Aust`v`Indo, and shown on Aust-telly some years ago, from memory while John-W was still in. Yes, Aust lost in these `war-games` with their F-35 flying trash-cans, once the `tankers` are shot down, any trash-cans not already shot down, ended up on the bottom of the sea. Yes, the `tankers` ARE `guaranteed` to be shot down.

  240. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 25, 2014 12:35 am

    #leftiesbelieveindoarmycaninvade

    #leftiesbelieveindoarmywillsidestepusmarinedarwinvade

    #reallyreallydumbleftiesbelievefoxnewswontreportthis

    # batshitdumbleftiesthinkyankswonthelptheirownandallies

  241. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 25, 2014 12:38 am

    “walrusbendsforlockheedmartin”

    Probably

    But the sub program is even worse

    But hey that’s in SA

  242. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 25, 2014 12:39 am

    “walrusbendsforlockheedmartin”

    Hang on

    We get to build one part of its tail feather don’t we

  243. April 25, 2014 12:41 am

    once the `tankers` are shot down, any trash-cans not already shot down, #ran out of #fuel and ended up on the bottom of the sea.

  244. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 25, 2014 12:45 am

    There is a most ridiculous alternative of course

    What if Australia spent all it’s defence money on being the worlds rescue country meaning people and equipment to help people anywhere in case of any sort of disaster

    If someone even tried to attack us they’d have to answer to the the entire World plus most of our neighbours

    Not to be

  245. April 25, 2014 12:46 am

    #blubbering.half.wits.ignore.ww1.history

    #blubbering.half.wits.ignore.ww2.history

    #yay.dog.bless.teh.usa

  246. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 25, 2014 1:04 am

    #Pissweakteabagignoreshistoryofww2aircraft

  247. April 25, 2014 1:12 am

    ””””””’What if Australia spent all it’s defence money on being the worlds rescue country meaning people and equipment to help people anywhere in case of any sort of disaster”””””’

    l thought Australia already spent all it’s defense money on being the worlds persecution country demeaning people and gulags to store people off-shore in case of any sort of panty wetting

  248. April 25, 2014 1:17 am

    #blubbering.half.wits.ignore.teh.usa.history.war.of.profiteering.off.allies

  249. April 25, 2014 1:19 am

    #doh
    #blubbering.half.wits.ignore.teh.usa.history.of.war.profiteering.off.allies

  250. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 25, 2014 1:34 am

    #tosywaitingforcrediblelinks

    # walrusneedstotakephonecallin3minutes

    # sopissoff

  251. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 25, 2014 1:35 am

    #walrusneedscashtomakemorecash

  252. April 25, 2014 1:42 am

  253. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 7:24 am

    ‘What if Australia spent all it’s defence money on being the worlds rescue country meaning people and equipment to help people anywhere in case of any sort of disaster.’

    Yes, when the present warring states period finally comes to an end. In the meantime we can search for missing planes.

  254. April 25, 2014 8:21 am

    ”””””””””’But Palmer United Party MP Alex Douglas, who defected from the LNP in 2012, says the government needs to admit that it knew about Mr Gibson’s past when he was preselected.
    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/national/2014/04/24/lnp–knew-of-gibson-s-past-.html
    ”””””””””’
    Queensland #Teabags
    #GoClive

  255. April 25, 2014 8:29 am

    ””””””””””Opposition finance spokesman Tony Burke rubbished the treasurer’s bleak portrait of the budget.

    ‘Countries that have triple-A credit ratings are not in the midst of a budget crisis,’ Mr Burke told ABC Radio on Thursday.

    ‘None of the information that Joe Hockey’s referring to there is new. They’re wanting to pretend that they’ve just realised this through the commission of audit.’
    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/national/2014/04/24/aust–not-in-midst-of-budget-crisis-.html
    ””””””””””””””””””

    Shortmans lot have discovered they still `actually` exist, and seem to have decided to call bullshit on mr-eleventy`s self-inflicted plan of pain budget.

  256. April 25, 2014 8:39 am

    ””””””””
    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/national/2014/04/24/aust–not-in-midst-of-budget-crisis-.html
    ””””””””

    ha ha, just noticed, #Mr-Rabbit #Funny-Photo

  257. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 10:10 am

    ‘The treasurer should acknowledge the fiscal impact of coalition decisions to scrap measures such as the mining and carbon taxes, he said.’

    Exactly.

    I feel it in my water that Reb will soon do a post on that abysmal Hunt.

  258. April 25, 2014 10:57 am

    Countries that have triple-A credit ratings are not in the midst of a budget crisis,’ Mr Burke told ABC Radio on Thursday.

    something neil can’t see through the fog of his own mind either.

  259. April 25, 2014 11:42 am

    “But the sub program is even worse

    But hey that’s in SA”

    As long as I pay tax, I’d much rather see it spent upon health than war toys of any description.

    I couldn’t give a fuck if they’re manufactured in Adelaide, Darwin or Timbuctu.

    Of interest to me, is the clamour about the NBN & various other rightwing targets of ‘government inefficiency’ for dubious benefit…juxtaposed against this seemingly wilful ignorance of a blatantly inefficient purchase of dubious war toys.

    YomM, for instance, usually one to harp on about cost benefit analysis, seems to be comfortable (by omission) with the idea.

    It makes me think that a lot of the protestations about inefficiencies other than war toy rackets may be a little ideological in nature.

    The same niche of society who pimps for a user pays system for those less well off than themselves, apparently doesn’t mind prostrating the tax payer for a good hard fisting by the military industry of an exploitative ‘ally’.

  260. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 25, 2014 11:44 am

    http://theconversation.com/grattan-on-friday-just-because-the-news-moves-on-lets-not-forget-manus-island-25917

    It is disgraceful that the Manus processing has been so inefficient.

    Hockey to cut $300 billion to reach target:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hockey-to-cut-300-billion-to-reach-target-20140424-zqz14.html#ixzz2zrG3dmlV

    …suggests the scale of the fiscal consolidation being considered is virtually unprecedented requiring long-term reductions in support programs assisting older Australians in particular…

    …The analysis points to a steepening set of annual spending cuts beginning slowly in order to protect jobs and confidence, but steadily ratcheting up to be $47 billion, $56 billion and $64 billion respectively in the three final years to 2023-24.
    Cumulatively, the savings come to a total of $310 billion – albeit measured in future dollars…

    I imagine those rusted on oldies and coalition “battlers” will be well pleased they voted for the libs.

    I feel it in my water that Reb will soon do a post on that abysmal Hunt.

    funny that, I feel it in my bones that he won’t.

  261. April 25, 2014 11:46 am

    Neil is just very confused, because the ALP & Coalition stand together, both ably greasing up the taxpayers for the violation.

    This leads to an insoluble malfunction of Neil’s binary logic.

  262. April 25, 2014 11:51 am

    It will be amusing to observe how serving up a shit sandwich to large proportions of the population in the coming budget will play out for AbbottCorp.

    After all, I suspect all of the preemptive groundwork that Hockey et al have been undertaking in recent times to ‘soften us up’ & make us think that shit sandwiches are mmmm-mmmm-tasty & ‘for our own good’ may not have actually sold the idea very well at all.
    People tend to find the circus amusing when it’s making sport of easy targets which don’t include themselves…but are likely to feel victimised once the hand goes deeper into their own pocket.

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 25, 2014 11:52 am

    …EXCLUSIVE
    A Liberal Party official linked to Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Premier Mike Baird will give evidence at the Independent Commission Against Corruption’s inquiry into alleged illegal donations starting on Monday…

    http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/abbott-ally-called-as-witness-in-new-corruption-inquiry-20140425-377l1.html

  264. April 25, 2014 11:53 am

    ”””funny that, I feel it in my bones that he won’t.””ROFL

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 25, 2014 12:02 pm

    People tend to find the circus amusing when it’s making sport of easy targets which don’t include themselves…but are likely to feel victimised once the hand goes deeper into their own pocket.

    I think so toilet, many are supporting elderly parents either financially in augmenting their pension or physically with care needs. What is taken away from the elderly will have to be given from the family. Those elderly without any supports and still renting must be stuffed.

    or…

    will it be cuts to self funded retirees perks?

    either way, not a good look to sacrifice our elderly to the ‘budget crisis’ when there is so much middle class welfare being flung around to ‘aspirational’ families, women of calibre babies and war toys.

  266. April 25, 2014 12:07 pm

    Agree. The Tinfoil Cubicle will only scream about cost benefit analysis when it meets ideological targets of dislike, and not applied in a consistent manner. Sometimes the ideological Tinfoil polishing within the `cubicle` can cause hatred to be directed at the public service workforce one minute, then at the private sector workforce the next minute.

  267. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 12:10 pm

    ‘funny that, I feel it in my bones that he won’t.’

    Can’t see why not, putting the boot into Hunt should give everyone pleasure.

  268. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 25, 2014 12:18 pm

    hunt would have to be the most boring minister of all time, he painfully struggles with his conflicts and to explain libs paying big business not to pollute [never hear him mention that actually] rather than a penalty being imposed for creating and fixing a toxic environment legacy.

  269. April 25, 2014 12:20 pm

    dumpty, why would ””’putting the boot into Hunt should give everyone pleasure.””’??

  270. April 25, 2014 12:24 pm

    so dumpty is fishin`reb for another `environment` thread to bore us all shit-less with

  271. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 12:25 pm

    Hunt is a complete disgrace and I wonder what the contrarian blogosphere will make of it.

  272. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 25, 2014 12:32 pm

    so dumpty is fishin`reb for another `environment` thread to bore us all shit-less with

    fck, the insanity never ends, give the man some medication so that we might all be spared the pain 🙄

    the seniors put mathias cormann under pressure for giving financial advisers a licence to rip people off for personal gain.

    http://www.thesenior.com.au/Financial-Matters/Finance-Articles/Financial-reform-put-on-hold

    The Combined Pension­ers and Superannuants Association (CPSA) called for an independent cost-benefit analysis before changes were implemented.

  273. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 25, 2014 12:43 pm

    thinking of TB on anzac day, many memories for him.

    maybe a few WT’s help on such a day.

    Hunt is a complete disgrace and I wonder what the contrarian blogosphere will make of it.

    you’re the only one, the rest of us don’t care what they make of anything.

    why don’t you run off and check?

  274. April 25, 2014 12:50 pm

    ””””””””””’Pensioners have been calling the CPSA in disbelief that the government is trying to wipe out FOFA’s key consumer protections,
    http://www.thesenior.com.au/Financial-Matters/Finance-Articles/Financial-reform-put-on-hold
    ”””””””””””””

    and

    ””””””””The government had also proposed to reinstate commissions for general advice, which gives incentives to the industry to sell products””””””””

    and

    ””””””””’The proposed changes remove important safeguards which were put in place following the disasters of Storm Financial and West Point””””””

    and we now get to see some more train wreckage as corporate looting of the elderly reign, all hail mr-rabbit

  275. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 1:20 pm

    ‘why don’t you run off and check?’

    Sceptic blogs have nothing to say, presumably going over the detail of the white paper. If Nova fails to react I’ll put the boot into them too, this will be fun.

  276. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 25, 2014 1:20 pm

    “‘Countries that have triple-A credit ratings are not in the midst of a budget crisis,’ Mr Burke told ABC Radio on Thursday.”

    Burke is a fool.

    Another 3 or 4 Wayne Swan deficits we will lose our AAA rating and most probably never get it back.

    I guess for Australian voters it is a choice. Better services and lose our AAA rating or cuts to services to keep our AAA rating.

  277. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 25, 2014 1:42 pm

    If Nova fails to react I’ll put the boot into them too, this will be fun.

    riiiiight, you will be a one man conquerer over all, or will you just be pedantic and consumed by your magnificent obsession, determined to keep doggedly going on and on and on and on, never letting a day go by without raging about it.

  278. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 25, 2014 1:52 pm

    I guess for Australian voters it is a choice. Better services and lose our AAA rating or cuts to war toys, mining rebates, baby bonanzas, finance industry profits, private health and education benefits & middle class welfare services to keep our AAA rating.

  279. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 1:54 pm

    Sceptics need a good kick up the bum.

  280. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 1:59 pm

    The Chinese are buying 200 state of the art fighters from Russia… just sayin’.

  281. April 25, 2014 2:44 pm

    “hunt would have to be the most boring minister of all time”

    Peter Dutton is also a close contender for that award…

  282. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 25, 2014 3:16 pm

    “Another way of looking at Tony’s pretty new airplanes

    I must admit i do not understand ALP/Greens supporters.

    Fact is from 1996-2007 most things were funded adequately.

    Facts is ALP/Greens supporters only think of themselves and their big fat stomachs.

    Please fill up my big fat stomach with tax payer funded goodies and our AAA rating can go to hell.

    Please ALP supporters do not brag about our low debt. That was obtained by Costello after much abuse by you lot.

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    April 25, 2014 3:26 pm

    thinking of TB on anzac day, many memories for him.

    maybe a few WT’s help on such a day.

    Thanks, KL, but I just got out of my sick bed (to check on you buggers) … had to call my son @ 05:15 and tell him I was on sick parade … some sort of stomach bug and aches all over.

    Of all bloody days!

    Hopefully OK tomorrow. Ciao

    And yes, sreb, Dutton is a true blue Dickhead …

  284. April 25, 2014 3:57 pm

    Sorry to hear you’re under the weather TB, today of all days…

  285. armchair opionator permalink
    April 25, 2014 4:30 pm

    “Thanks, KL, but I just got out of my sick bed (to check on you buggers) … ”

    I do hope we are behaving ourselves 😉

  286. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 25, 2014 6:43 pm

    Wow the “Peoples Party” sure know how to spend money

    http://www.news.com.au/national/deceit-is-as-easy-as-abc-for-newsreader-juanita-phillips-taxpayerfunded-european-jaunt/story-fncynjr2-1226895408012

    PANICKED ABC management ­believed star newsreader Juanita Phillips left them in a “tricky” position after blindsiding them over her controversial $72,000 taxpayer-funded European first class trip with Labor lover Greg Combet. ………………….Six months after ABC chiefs plotted how to handle the romance’s conflict-of-interest concerns, it was revealed the 10-day trip racked up $57,673 on airfares, $8914 on hotels and meals and $4634 on ground transport for Mr Combet to attend meetings and a climate conference.”

  287. public toilet permalink
    April 25, 2014 6:55 pm

    You do realise that rorting expenses is endemic to both major Partys, Neil?

    You’re setting yourself up for a binary faceplant.

  288. public toilet permalink
    April 25, 2014 7:01 pm

    Sick to death of puke inducing royal coverage & using the supposedly sombre occasion of ANZAC Day to promote football matches (among other things).

  289. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 7:01 pm

    Corrupt practice can be found everywhere.

    On a personal level the rank and file women are saying Juanita is a bad woman. The role reversals, her house husband sacrifices his career and gets cancer, so she leaves him for a high flyer.

    The sisterhood can be savage at times.

  290. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 25, 2014 7:03 pm

    Yes i do understand.

    But only the ALP and its supporters claim to be morally superior to anyone else.

    By the way why does Juanita Phillips deserve $320,000/year to be an ABC presenter??

    I would only need one year on a salary like that and then i could retire.

  291. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 7:16 pm

    ‘But only the ALP and its supporters claim to be morally superior to anyone else.’

    You mix in narrow circles of left leaning blogs and judge a huge swathe of the Australian population by your discussions on the blogosphere.

    Admittedly they do feel superior when it comes to weather lore, but apart from that all my family and friends seem quite normal.

  292. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 25, 2014 7:31 pm

    “You mix in narrow circles of left leaning blogs and judge a huge swathe of the Australian population by your discussions on the blogosphere”

    Listen mate if it was a Howard govt minister spending $72,000 on an overseas trip with his defacto, Labor supporters would be going berserk.

  293. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 7:59 pm

    Fair comment, but its the nature of the game on the blogosphere to fight fiercely for a cause. Out in the real world, where people have lives, its generally understood that corruption crosses all barriers.

    I look over the fence at the cafe now and then and see you battling away, wish I could jump in and lend a hand.

  294. public toilet permalink
    April 25, 2014 8:11 pm

    Neil’s redeeming feature is that he confounds the cafe rohypnol choir.

  295. public toilet permalink
    April 25, 2014 8:14 pm

    Power & easy access to other people’s money breeds corruption…not political alignment.

  296. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 8:17 pm

    Neil is very effective in that respect and his armour is solid, yet he may have lost something along the way. His ‘monotone’ may work at the cafe, but won’t pass muster here where we thrive razor wit.

  297. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 25, 2014 8:23 pm

    “Power & easy access to other people’s money breeds corruption…not political alignment.”

    Toilet

    I am more anti-labor than pro Coalition.

    There is almost nothing a Labor supporters says i agree with

  298. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 8:33 pm

    ‘There is almost nothing a Labor supporters says i agree with’

    I like your mantra, but you are getting yourself in a knot. The point is that I come from the left and now sit on the fence with toilet, so you’ll have to come up with some rational debate or risk losing street cred.

  299. egg permalink
    April 25, 2014 9:03 pm

    Abbott Beaches Protocol

    ‘It’s happened again.

    ‘Back in 1992 Australia’s then prime minister Paul Keating infamously put his left arm around Queen Elizabeth II’s back.

    ‘The unashamed republican was quickly called ‘The Lizard of Oz’ as a result and found himself at the centre of a diplomatic storm.

    ‘Well now it seems both sides of Australian politics are guilty of prohibited pats on the back.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2612736/Australian-prime-minister-Tony-Abbott-accused-breaching-royal-protocol-pictured-hugging-Prince-William.html#ixzz2ztXrLUr8
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  300. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 25, 2014 9:32 pm

    ”now sit on the fence with toilet

    I’m not sure he’s quite of the same orientation as you egg.

  301. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 25, 2014 9:35 pm

    ”Neil’s redeeming feature is that he confounds the cafe rohypnol choir.”

    He runs them ragged… though I’m not sure how well they run (with their zimmer frames).

  302. April 26, 2014 12:10 am

    Listen mate if it was a Howard govt minister spending $72,000 on an overseas trip with his defacto, Labor supporters would be going berserk.

    I don’t think any of the pollies partners, wives or families should have taxpayer funded travel. I think they are paid enough to fork out for their own. The spouses are not elected to any office.
    Since we are forced to fund them, it should be very transparent, not allow the privacy excuse.

    …so you’ll have to come up with some rational debate or risk losing street cred

    impossible for him to have either of those.

  303. April 26, 2014 3:02 am

    ”””Peter Dutton is also a close contender for that award”””

    Agree. Dutton fits nicely in both the `reheated` category and `zombie` category, and it makes me truly wonder what the people in his electorate are like.

  304. April 26, 2014 3:08 am

    ””’call my son @ 05:15 and tell him I was on sick parade””’

    FMD. Truly sorry to hear anzac spoiled for you TB. Get well mate.

  305. April 26, 2014 4:29 am

    ””””””””””’
    http://www.news.com.au/national/deceit-is-as-easy-as-abc-for-newsreader-juanita-phillips-taxpayerfunded-european-jaunt/story-fncynjr2-1226895408012
    ””””””””””’
    #my.abc.yawn #rupert.produced.tinfoil #lockstepping.teabags

  306. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 26, 2014 4:54 am

    And people wonder why i am so anti ALP. Nothing they do works

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/technology/rollout-shambles-in-nbns-first-state/story-e6frgakx-1226896452411#

    THE National Broadband Network rollout in Tasmania — which Labor promised would be the first state fully connected to lightning-fast internet services — has been “so shambolic” and failed “so abysmally” to meet its targets that urgent political intervention is needed.

  307. April 26, 2014 5:34 am

    #from.kneels.link #full.story #usual.Limited.News.yawn
    .
    ”””””””””””””””””””’
    Rollout shambles in NBN’s first state
    .
    THE National Broadband Network rollout in Tasmania — which Labor promised would be the first state fully connected to lightning-fast internet services — has been “so shambolic” and failed “so abysmally” to meet its targets that urgent political intervention is needed.

    The Weekend Australian can reveal the state’s peak IT business group, a longstanding supporter of Labor’s original “Rolls-Royce” NBN, has warned there is “no realistic chance” the project will be completed by the end of 2015, as once promised by former communications minister Stephen Conroy and NBN Co.

    The Tasmanian ICT sector peak body, known as TASICT, says the process for connecting new customers to the optic fibre network is failing.

    The warnings have nation­al significance as the NBN Co prepares a new corporate plan for the entire $41 billion project to give effect to the Coali­tion’s promise of a “multi-tech­nology mix” to deliver the project sooner and more cheaply.

    A devastating strategic review found cost blowouts and delays had plagued the nation’s biggest infrastructure project, with “significant queues” in connections and disputes over construction-related contracts.

    Tasmania is considered a testbed for the national rollout of high-speed broadband, with Senator Conroy having said it would provide “valuable learnings” for the wider mainland build. The Coalition has not put a deadline on the Tasmanian project. But the office of Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull said yesterday that the rollout had started again at the end of last year after being “completely stalled” under Labor.

    The NBN Co said it now had commitments to “fibre” as many Tasmanian premises this year as had been passed in the previous five years — but the rollout would not be achieved “by continuing to set heroic targets”.

    In a submission obtained by The Weekend Australian, ­TASICT says that without “urgent political intervention, the project will continue to fail Tasmania” and laments that the project has been used a “political tool” by all major parties.

    “The first-mover NBN advantage once trumpeted as an economic saviour for Tasmania, is gone,” the submission says.

    The submission was written by the group’s executive officer, Dean Winter, who ran as an ALP candidate for the 2012 Tasma­nian upper house seat of Hobart.

    It also warns that Tasmanians “now wonder if they will ever get the NBN”.

    “Business has lost enthusiasm for the project …

    “Tasmania, already dealing with an inadequate communi­cations infra­structure, faces lengthy delays to ever see the project completed.”

    The submission says the rollout is still not back on track, but backs Mr Turnbull’s move to trial the use of overhead cables on Aurora’s power poles as ­potentially faster and cheaper. and a way to have more direct fibre connections. It also says telephone and internet service providers — who sell the NBN to homes — are frustrated by “the lack of certainty about which technology will be used, the slow pace of the rollout and the failing process for connecting new customers to the network”.

    Under the rollout, the NBN is connected to a utility box on the outside of a home or business. People who want to switch their phone and internet to the NBN contact a retail service provider, who makes an appointment for an NBN installer to put in equipment.

    But the submission says the connection process in Tasmania has been “farcical”.

    Customers were being hit with long wait times between ordering and connecting to the NBN and there were estimates up to 50 per cent of appointments with customers are being missed by NBN contractors.

    “There is anecdotal evidence that some of these appointments are being ignored because ­contractors arrive at the appointment, identify a difficult or time-consuming job and make an assessment it is not worth the rate being offered,” the submission says.

    Last year an asbestos shutdown delayed the project. Also, there were disputes ­between ­Visionstream — lead contractor on the island — and subcontractors over pay. While there were 20,065 premises passed by the NBN by June 1, 2013, the rollout all but came to a complete halt over the following months.

    By December 2, there were 32,271 passed. For the week to April 21, there were 36,117 brownfields passed. In December, ­Visionstream said it was accelerating its rollout of fibre to more than 200,000 premises.

    The TasICT submission says it was clear by June last year there were significant “issues” in Tasmania, but these “were never dealt with by the government of the day”.

    “In fact, they were completely ignored and the rollout had almost stopped by September 2013. It was hoped these issues would be addressed by a new government and the rollout could get back on track. To date, this has not happened.”

    Yesterday, Mr Turnbull’s spokesman said since the rollout started again at the end of last year, more than 4000 extra premises have been passed in brownfields areas. Visionstream had been ­issued with build contract instructions for 17,000 premises, while advanced planning was under way in areas with a further 19,000.

    “With premises already passed that brings the number of homes and businesses committed to NBN fibre by the end of the year to about a third of premises in the state,” Mr Turnbull’s spokesman said.

    NBN Co spokesman Andrew Sholl said construction standards were being improved so homes were connected at the same time that fibre was rolled down the street and existing infrastructure was being incorporated into the network.

    Before the federal election, TasICT lobbied for Labor’s fibre-to-the-premises model to stay on the island, rather than the ­Coalition’s model that uses Telstra’s copper for the final few hundred metres to homes.

    TasICT has made its comments in a submission to a private bill proposed by Tasmanian ALP Senator Anne Urquhart that would force the NBN Co to provide only FTTP to at least 200,000 premises on the island. The group opposes the bill.
    ””””””””””””””””””’

  308. egg permalink
    April 26, 2014 7:11 am

    ‘I’m not sure he’s quite of the same orientation as you egg.’

    I’m pretty sure we are both sitting on the fence, he leans to the left and me to the right, but we are non-aligned and inclined to say a pox on both your houses.

  309. egg permalink
    April 26, 2014 7:20 am

    ‘BILL Shorten has attacked the governments of Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard, highlighting their flaws, mistakes and misjudgments, arguing that he has learned the lessons of Labor’s election defeat and declaring the party must accept them too.

    ‘In an exclusive interview for a new book, Rudd, Gillard and Beyond, the Labor leader spoke frankly about the Rudd-Gillard years, how Labor must broaden its political appeal, the internal reforms the party must undertake and the need for new policies. He said the party must turn its back on class warfare rhetoric and policies, and described an “us versus them” approach to politics as unhealthy.’

    Troy Bramston / Oz

  310. egg permalink
    April 26, 2014 7:33 am

    ‘The Environment Defenders Office, a legal network which had its public funding removed by the Coalition in December, has reported a surge in private donations, which it will use to take on the government over climate change, environmental regulation and community health issues.’

    Milman / Guardian

  311. egg permalink
    April 26, 2014 7:37 am

    Malcolm Fraser reckons its time to quit the American alliance and I’m inclined to wholeheartedly agree.

  312. April 26, 2014 10:12 am

    I’ve just had my porridge for brekky, also had my yearly craving for creamed honey. I felt like something different so decided on promite instead of vegemite, just for a change. All set for the winter!

    Agree. Dutton fits nicely in both the `reheated` category and `zombie` category, and it makes me truly wonder what the people in his electorate are like.

    I know someone who complains bitterly about living in his electorate, says it is rusted on liberal territory and she’s “right in the the fkn bible belt, they’ll all fcked in the head here”.
    that’s a direct quote!

  313. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 26, 2014 10:21 am

    This picture is one reason i hate Labor and its supporters. They proclaim people want services not surplus budgets. But the Howard/Costello surplus budgets got our AAA rating back and lowered our debt. Now Swan is bragging about our low debt.

  314. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2014 10:22 am

    I’m pretty sure we are both sitting on the fence, he leans to the left and me to the right, but we are non-aligned and inclined to say a pox on both your houses.

    i am of a similar opinion, but I won’t sit on the fence, I don’t think I’ve done that in my life. I consider it to be a weakness, not to be able to make a decision 🙂
    “Fences are made for those who cannot fly”
    [dunno who said that but it’s a quote I remember]

    have to say in toilet’s defence and absence, I don’t think I’ve ever heard any views from him akin to ‘sitting on the fence’.

  315. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2014 10:30 am

    This picture is one reason i hate Labor and its supporters.

    Neil, how come you never compare private debt to gdp? That’s what I hate about you brainless lib turds, the cherry picking.

    http://theconversation.com/the-truth-behind-our-dangerous-public-debt-levels-13245

    …The real debt problem Robb has ignored is the colossal levels of debt that now saturates every part of the private sector. Private debt as a proportion of GDP is overwhelmingly larger than public debt. Personal debt is 9%, mortgage debt at 84%, and non-financial business debt is at 50%, for a total of 143%. A McKinsey and Co report estimates the non-banking financial sector debt at 91%….

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/03/27/heres-the-real-story-of-australian-debt/

  316. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2014 10:56 am

    wise words from tony windsor

    A word of advice to the senate’s wildcards:

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2014/04/26/word-advice-the-senates-wildcards/1398434400#.U1sCZfna6So

  317. April 26, 2014 11:21 am

    ””’But Eslake doesn’t see much danger from austerity-driven politicians.
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/03/27/heres-the-real-story-of-australian-debt/
    ”””””””’

    #Guffaw. He should `look` harder.

  318. egg permalink
    April 26, 2014 11:38 am

    ‘I consider it to be a weakness, not to be able to make a decision’

    Looking at each issue that arises, without partisan blinkers, is not indecisive. Toilet would probably take offence at being called a fence sitter, but up here there are swing voters as well as the crowd who say I’m not voting for anybody.

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 11:41 am

    I agree, private debt is far too high and reflects the increasingly avaricious corporate and personal priorities of society.

    However, people can take personal steps to limit their exposure to the adverse effects of this.

    When the debt belongs to the government no one, now or in the future, can avoid the consequences. Public debt limits policy options of future governments and generations, it is simply poor economics to impose the debt (caused by recurrent expenditure) to fund our priorities on the next generation.

    Those that are willing to rack up debt to pay for pensions, NDIS, tax cuts etc are more avaricious than any debt laden businesses and individuals.

  320. April 26, 2014 11:43 am

    ”””””””””””
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2014/04/26/word-advice-the-senates-wildcards/1398434400
    ”””””””””””

    #heads-up-TB #Go-Clive

    Brilliant find armchair, l don`t think l have ever read anything a politician wrote, that l agree with, at such a very high level or `quantity`. Nice to see Windsor still seems like a good-guy, and l the pups take-up his advice. We need a 3rd-force in canberra fcuking desperately.

  321. April 26, 2014 11:46 am

    ””good-guy, and l the pups take-up his advice.””

    #good-guy, and l `HOPE` the pups take-up his advice.

  322. April 26, 2014 11:58 am

    What of course is omitted from the Tinfoil-Clad Cubicle, is `debt` in Aust is largely a political construct, agreed upon by both the major parties that have continued to deny themselves proper revenue to ensure they can fulfill duties to/in Governing.

    #belt.tightening.bullshit #teabag.tinfoil

  323. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 12:05 pm

    ” debt` in Aust is largely a political construct

    Really? So when there is a lack of public willingness to just accept ever increasing taxes, That’s just because the ALP and Libs determine this, over the heads of the public.

    NO doubt in your world, the electorate is thinking – “if only the government could impose higher taxes, rather than figuring our how to spend my cash more effectively”

  324. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2014 12:05 pm

    Nice to see Windsor still seems like a good-guy, and l the pups take-up his advice. We need a 3rd-force in canberra fcuking desperately.

    windsor’s one of those politicians who is respected by all, imo. Generally seen as above and better than the rest. I feel much the same about john faulkner and I also liked hewson – common sense and intelligence shown rather than partisan plays and conceding to idiots on the fringe.

    …but up here there are swing voters as well as the crowd who say I’m not voting for anybody…

    they are not fence sitters, they are the “what’s in it for me” and “disgusted with all of them” crowd. You say you have a “pox on both their houses” attitude but when I think about it, you have always advocated and barracked for the conservatives, on every issue – that’s not sitting on the fence.

    some good reading for today [before I head off to work]

    http://nocrapapp.com/2014/04/26/no-crap-app-wb-21-apr-2014/

    http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mumble/index.php/theaustralian/comments/a_gst_election

  325. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 26, 2014 12:05 pm

    It should be noted we are now paying $12B/year on interest on the debt that WAyne Swan produced. That is enough to pay for a large govt program.

    We actually had money in the bank back in 2007 earning interest.

  326. April 26, 2014 12:15 pm

    it is a construct,

    they `both` choose to `under-tax` corporations or `leave` over-generous loopholes(deductions,rebates,tax-rates,)

    yes, `both` waste shit-loads on corporate-run, off-shore gulags #teabags #tinfoil.cubicle

  327. egg permalink
    April 26, 2014 12:25 pm

    ‘…you have always advocated and barracked for the conservatives, on every issue – that’s not sitting on the fence.’

    Most of us were booing Julia and my feelings on Abbott is that the honeymoon is over and I’m about to walk.

  328. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2014 12:28 pm

    …Really? So when there is a lack of public willingness to just accept ever increasing taxes, That’s just because the ALP and Libs determine this, over the heads of the public…

    I think they do. No party will advocate for raising of taxes, they think it is political suicide. truth is, we are not ‘ever increasing taxes’ they are taxing less. I also think teabagz is right, stop the mining rebates, the corporate tax loopholes and taxpayer funded largesse, get onto those who offshore profits & avoid tax.

    There should be a proper public debate about tax reform and not fear/smear campaigns from the neocons.

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2014/s3962209.htm

    …LOUISE YAXLEY: Yes, Ken Henry’s given us the bad news. Governments aren’t raising enough money; in fact they’re raising less as a percentage of GDP than around 10 years ago.

    Now the states rely heavily on GST revenue because they’ve got very few ways of raising their own money and local government is in an even worse situation. So Dr Henry says at some point the GST rate will rise and he’s indicated it should be broadened as well.

    He says that’s not the magic solution to fixing the problem. Raising the GST won’t do anything to improve productivity or economic performance. It’s just a way of raising a bit more revenue.

    Speaking on the ABC’s 7.30, Dr Henry says the GST needs to go up to boost sustainability.

  329. April 26, 2014 12:39 pm

    The GST part is bullshit to some extent, it will push more of on the economic bottom onto welfare etc, as it reduces `buying-power`, there are plenty of over-generous biz/tax-loopholes that could be dumped and raise some real revenue.

  330. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2014 12:40 pm

    However, people can take personal steps to limit their exposure to the adverse effects of this…

    what? when they are told that it is good to be ‘aspirational’ even if they can’t afford it. When they need taxpayer support to have their private education and health ‘choices’ continue. when they need more in tax rebates than they pay in tax to survive? They love the taxpayer funded negative gearing to create their investment and retirement aspirations?

    They don’t take the personal steps, they want the taxpayer to support them in all their aspirations.

    The working poor have no way of limiting their exposure to even basic living expenses.

  331. April 26, 2014 12:46 pm

    More on the waste side armchair, these com-games and olympic bids, where 4,5,or6 Aust cities all burn thru taxpayer cash to `host` so-called `games`, but does the `taxpayer` ever make a `profit` or `break-even`.? My bet is this is just another ponzi scam to transfer taxpayer dollars into the pockets of `select-few`.

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2014 12:59 pm

    My bet is this is just another ponzi scam to transfer taxpayer dollars into the pockets of `select-few`

    yes, taxpayer funded corporate/government prestige and chest puffing. Corporate owned governments into socialising to the public of all corporate losses and privatisation of profits – that’s how capitalism rolls.

    The working poor get no personal choice other than survival, a roof over their head and food on the table, yet they pay the taxes so the aspirationals can live beyond their means.

  333. April 26, 2014 1:05 pm

    #teabag101

    ”””increasingly avaricious corporate and personal”””’

    when you see a teabag add `personal` to anything corporate, you are getting ipa/bolt/teabag-nonsense, they are trying to flog the `message` that what is good for the corporate, is good for the personal,

    or that `fixing` the personal, will automatically fix the corporate,

    but of course ””corporate and personal priorities””’

    in reality, are at the totally opposite ends of the scale.

    Aren`t they, troll-of-melbourne.?

  334. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2014 1:08 pm

    I’m pretty sure we are both sitting on the fence,…

    I think you’ve done a lot of furious back pedalling since that very firm statement.

    …he leans to the left and me to the right, but we are non-aligned and inclined to say a pox on both your houses…

    if you are leaning, you fall off the fence.

  335. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 1:22 pm

    The crap from teabagz doesn’t stop, now this –

    ”when you see a teabag add `personal` to anything corporate, you are getting ipa/bolt/teabag-nonsense…”</I

    Yeah, “personal” stuff like –
    • houses that are twice as big as a generation ago, despite smaller families
    • 2 x 4 wheel drives in each driveway, renewed every 3 years (a big one for him and a little one for her)
    • air conditioning set to a toasty 22 in winter and a chilly 18 in summer

    Railing against that stuff – real “teabaagz” evidence.

  336. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 1:23 pm

    Just to separate my thoughful comments from the crap teabagz posts –
    ————–
    The crap from teabagz doesn’t stop, now this –

    ”when you see a teabag add `personal` to anything corporate, you are getting ipa/bolt/teabag-nonsense…”

    Yeah, “personal” stuff like –
    • houses that are twice as big as a generation ago, despite smaller families
    • 2 – 4 wheel drives in each driveway, renewed every 3 years ( big one for him and a little one for her)
    • air conditioning set to a toasty 22 in winter and a chilly 18 in summer

    Railing against that stuff – real “teabaagz” evidence.

  337. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 1:34 pm

    …and argue all you wish about the revenue side of the budget, the fact is that there is plenty of waste on the expenditure side.

    Paying an old aged pension to fit, active middle aged people is an example. Not addressing the inefficient work practices of public servants is another.

    Responsible governments live within their means. Only economic dills think that there is no problem with running up deficits over a decade.

  338. April 26, 2014 1:37 pm

    fascinating, and that proves me wrong,
    that govt debt is a construct, how.?

    (and l wasn`t the dope that mixed `personal`debt with govt-debt either dopey)

  339. egg permalink
    April 26, 2014 1:42 pm

    ‘I think you’ve done a lot of furious back pedalling since that very firm statement.’

    I’m in a fluid state of mind.

    ‘if you are leaning, you fall off the fence.’

    My old comrades would love to take me back.

  340. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2014 1:54 pm

    the fact is that there is plenty of waste on the expenditure side.

    Do we really need to support pollies old and new with such taxpayer funded largesse? Do we need to pay for spouses/partners/kids to travel everywhere with said pollie so they don’t miss out on the comforts [and presumably, the conjugals] of being at home? They know they are going to be away from home a lot when they sign up and they are off like a rocket after 4 days of hard work in the house. we support them to the grave with things that should be private expenses.

    The fact is there is plenty of rebates and cuts for corporations that should be standing on their own feet & profits. Why take from the poorest of the poor [pensioners etc] and crow about giving corporate tax cuts for the extremely wealthy?
    why should the female working poor [who soometimes have to leave kids at home on their own while chasing two part-time casual jobs] be paying tax so women of calibre can be encouraged to breed?

  341. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 26, 2014 1:57 pm

    How about looking at the enormous CEO wages and putting a rein on them so that forever chasing more & more profits doesn’t impact on prices and living expenses for people who get no pay rises or work minimum wage?

  342. April 26, 2014 1:58 pm

    ”””My old comrades would love to take me back.”””

    how can l contact them.?
    do they need any incentive.?

  343. egg permalink
    April 26, 2014 2:16 pm

    Imagine, I might even get invited back to the cafe, a modern version of a Weimar beer hall.

  344. April 26, 2014 2:24 pm

    ”””lmagine, I might even get invited back to the cafe”””

    imagine all ya`like, that aint gonna`happen,

    the coffee shops no longer `serve` scrambled egg,

    it`s off the menu 🙂

  345. April 26, 2014 2:26 pm

    you`re stuck in yomm`s cubicle,

    helping him `polish` the tinfoil

  346. April 26, 2014 2:48 pm

    ”””looking at the enormous CEO wages and putting a rein on them”””

    l don`t know exactly what you mean by `rein` on them, l assume `limit` is meant, and l doubt that having Govts setting an actual max-salary would be the answer.

    What Govt frame-work could, and should do is, insist all boardroom wages be paid in cash,(not options and back-dated stock) paid to the individual (not off-shore trust) in the year earned, so that it could `actually` be taxed. The ability for them to play games with super, and salary sacrifice should not exist at these ridiculous pay levels too. The level permitted as a tax-deduction should have the `limit`, and if the company wants to pay`em more, its NOT deductible.

    #Let the fcuking teabag wailing begin.

  347. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 3:05 pm

    I agree with much of your comment AO.

    Adequate funding of programs for the aged are needed, but it’s no use just throwing an aged pension at people that (these days) are regarded as middle aged, and certainly people aged in their mid 60s don’t really see themselves as aged.

    I’d not made up my mind about the various PPL policies. If (say) Whitlam had introduced the full shale benefit back in the 70s, say at the same time he reformed tertiary education and made it accessible for all, progressive people would conitnue to applaud his foresight. The Abbott proposal looks more like that applying in progressive northern European countries. However, on balance I’ve decided that it is just too expensive in the current environment, and a better scheme would be to provide up to full year at a maximum rate of AWE.
    ——-
    Meanwhile we get this crap from teabagz-

    ”insist all boardroom wages be paid in cash,(not options and back-dated stock) paid to the individual (not off-shore trust) in the year earned, so that it could `actually` be taxed

    I’m not sure how often share options are backdated, or how much of the budget deficit would be eliminated with this.

    Can you advise how much this would raise?

    However, the notion that CEOs and boards should just be paid in cash is crap.

    Unless you wish to close the ASX, the best way to remunerate directors is in the shares of the companies they run. Neglecting to align the actions and decisions of the board with the interests of shareholders through their remuneration is about the most irresponsible and misinformed piece of crap you have posted to date.

  348. April 26, 2014 3:21 pm

    #The Tinfoil wailing has begun l see.

    ”””’the best way to remunerate directors is in the shares of the companies they run”””

    #Guffaw.

    Yep, better to keep boardrooms interest in stocks, and driven`em up in price, casino style, and not have boardrooms actually building a solid, secure business.

    Yes-sir-ee, Let`s stay with the #Enron #Learhmanbros #TooBigToFail Tinfoil Teabag proven failures we know and love so well.

  349. April 26, 2014 3:26 pm

    ””’I’m not sure how often shareS (#AND) options are backdated””’

    but you will still defend the fcukers anyway, and begrudge any type of `conditions` those of us not on seven figures get #Teabag

  350. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 3:29 pm

    Just explain how paying directors in “cash” will produce better returns for shareholders (eg SFRs & superannuation funds) than tying their remuneration directly to the value they create for the owners of the business (ie through the shares that the owners also hold)?

    Your inability to explain your crap proposals is showing quite regularly.

  351. April 26, 2014 3:32 pm

    ”””how much of the budget deficit would be eliminated with this.”””

    #Wrong, Teabag style question.

    Better, how much revenue would this raise.

    .

    ”””Can you advise how much this would raise?”””’

    Good question, and you should rightly put it to the Govt.

  352. April 26, 2014 3:43 pm

    ””’Your inability to explain your proposals is showing quite regularly.”””

    Your inability to follow a thread shows #Teabag

    *bleat bleat*””’Just explain””’

    *bleat bleat*””’better returns for shareholders””

    *bleat bleat*””’owners of the business””’

    Scroll up #Dopey
    armchair and l were talking about #Govt-Framework

  353. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 3:55 pm

    Once in a corner, teabagz resorts to bulls!!t (again)

    You intervened, by replying to m! with – ” debt` in Aust is largely a political construct

    Are you related to Catching Up? Your inability to make a rational point seems that familiar.

  354. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 4:09 pm

    So far today you’ve put up a range of notions without providing any evidence that they’d work, or provide the outcomes you’ve suggested. Among your notions-
    • Pay directors in cash
    • Debt is only a political construct

    brain fart stream of consciousness commentary

  355. April 26, 2014 4:32 pm

    April 26, 1st comment armchair, 2nd comment me
    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/04/22/its-the-new-improved-bill-shorten-formula/#comment-54302

    #now.who.is.bullshitting.tinfoil.of.melbourne

    (and yes, you ended up having to run from the `construct` argument)

  356. April 26, 2014 4:47 pm

    yes, govt debt is a political construct, as l said @11.58 and @12.15, scroll up and read both you fool,

    and l say construct, as it is intentional, much in the same way YOU would see the `intentional` construct of a low-paid pleb intentionally injuring himself to claim worker-comp/welfare,

    you choose to see one type, but mindlessly chant the teabag clap-trap for the other, that is a reflection of your own stupidity and willful blindness, and has nothing to do with any `fault` of mine, or armchair, or any other commenter

  357. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 4:59 pm

    • No supporting commentary for the dumb assertions (as always)
    • Inarticulate (as always)
    • “””” and #### (as always)

    ——-

    • Just tell me, why is public debt “a political construct”?
    • Why is it that imposing payment for our recurrent expenditure on future taxpayers is reasonable economic policy?

  358. April 26, 2014 5:23 pm

    ””’Just tell me, why is public debt “a political construct”?””’#half-wit

    You need to tell us why is Govt debt isn`t “a political construct”?

    #as you seem to object, but lack an explainer. #teabags

  359. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 26, 2014 9:58 pm

    Teabagz simply doesn’t have sufficient regard for the welfare of the next generation to consider debt to be other than a political issue involving the duopoly.

    • No idea that public debt limits the options of future governments.
    • No understanding that low debt is necessary to maintain low rates for public borrowing for infrastructure, making it more affordable.
    • No notion that low debt assists to protect the domestic economy against the international volatility

    The best he can come up with is – ##boards should be paid in cash##

    Hilarious

  360. April 27, 2014 12:56 am

    Teabagz simply doesn’t have sufficient regard for the welfare of the next generation to consider debt to be other than a political issue involving the duopoly.

    well, the next generation will have the cost of global warming to worry about, those who are right now preaching about a debt left for the next, don’t seem to care at all about a much worse debt for future generations because of their inaction now. No consideration for their welfare or even survival.

    • No idea that public debt limits the options of future governments.

    maybe some government options should be limited, maybe they should be including the people more in the decision making and having a public debate about options. Tax cuts given to business certainly limits options by reducing revenue. Why should they squeeze the poor to make up for their generosity to the wealthy?

  361. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2014 1:12 am

    didn’t big joe just raise the debt ceiling and add another lazy $800 billion or so to the public debt?

    It’s super tax concessions, not pensions that are killing the budget:

    …The study, to be formally released on Tuesday, found the rate of growth of super tax concessions is greater than that of the pension despite the ageing population, meaning the cost of the tax concession will soon overtake the pension to become ”the single largest area of government expenditure,” by 2016-17…

    …”Under the current scheme, the more your earn, the bigger the benefit you get, and if you don’t earn very much, you actually pay more tax,” he said.
    ”If the cost of age pensions is ballooning, then tax concessions for super are the Hindenburg…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/its-super-tax-concessions-not-pensions-that-are-killing-the-budget-20140421-zqx7p.html#ixzz300OmQiGE

  362. April 27, 2014 1:21 am

    Interesting, KL.

    I wonder what our resident moneyfondlers will make of that.

  363. April 27, 2014 3:31 am

    yomm my dear half-wit,

    your non-core dot-points containing non-core teabag distractions don`t interest or sway me in the slightest,

    as my core and `only` argument is that Aust Govt-debt IS a construct, created by both Govts blue and red, that have starved themselves of proper revenue to govern, by maintaining their `all-fours` position with big-biz,

    just as l said @11.58 and @12.15 above

  364. April 27, 2014 3:43 am

    This is a fcuking excellent point,

    ”””””””””””””’You can get your super from age 55, well, we’re now saying you can’t get the pension until you’re 70, if the purpose of super is to take pressure off the age pension, why are we letting people get their hands on it15 years earlier?
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/its-super-tax-concessions-not-pensions-that-are-killing-the-budget-20140421-zqx7p.html#ixzz300OmQiGE
    ””””””””””””””

    l think we can safely presume that if the pension goes up to 70, and super stays at 55, there will be a never-ending stream of court-cases over this. #stoopid.fcuking.teabags

  365. April 27, 2014 4:40 am

    ””’It’s super tax concessions, not pensions that are killing”””

    #Cue the Teabag wailing.

    Yes armchair, it does mention the ponzi like crap l bleat about,

    A ceo on $11-mill(that yomm cries for) can whack 10-mill$ into `super` and pay a mere 15%-tax under salary sacrifice and live very well on the remaining 1-mill$, while at the bottom, half-time employed with half-time `super` can`t afford to salary sacrifice, so receives sweet fcuk-all benefit really.

    l also noticed that while the teabags wail anti-pension nonsense, they are too stupid to realize `pensions` are now a problem of their own making (yes yomm, another construct which largely belongs solely to the teabags) as they dismantled and obstructed the `keating-plan` on super (which probably was not perfect) that would have lifted Govt onus on `pensions` much greater than it now will.

  366. egg permalink
    April 27, 2014 7:13 am

    ‘well, the next generation will have the cost of global warming to worry about’

    You mean the real cost of global cooling, the science has moved on but the politicians are blissfully unaware.

  367. egg permalink
    April 27, 2014 7:33 am

    ‘Coalition MPs draft their own legislation in defiance of Attorney-General George Brandis’ proposed changes.’

    Jonathan Swan / SMH

  368. Tony permalink
    April 27, 2014 7:47 am

    “A ceo on $11-mill(that yomm cries for) can whack 10-mill$ into `super` and pay a mere 15%-tax under salary sacrifice and live very well on the remaining 1-mill$, while at the bottom, half-time employed with half-time `super` can`t afford to salary sacrifice, so receives sweet fcuk-all benefit really.”

    Displaying your complete fucking ignorance again. The Concessional Contributions Cap is set at $25,000 or $35,000, depending on your age, but regardless of your income. Understand? The MOST ANYONE can salary sacrifice at the 15% tax rate is $35,000, even someone earning $11 million.

    #moron

  369. April 27, 2014 8:34 am

    ”””””””The MOST ANYONE can salary sacrifice at the 15% tax rate is $35,000, even someone earning $11 million.””””””””

    Fair enough Tinfoil`osy, now there is a 35K `cap`

    But it hasn`t always been this, has it,

    what were the `previous` caps, if any,

    ________

    and this part still stands,

    ””’while at the bottom, half-time employed with half-time `super` can`t afford to salary sacrifice, so receives sweet fcuk-all benefit really.””’

  370. April 27, 2014 9:04 am

    What Tinfoil`osy didn`t include was `income-splitting`, if that`s the correct term, where a male ceo has a wife that is basically a non-employed house-wife, can she receive say a million of his 11-million$, and thus, sock away another 35K under salary sacrifice,

    can he income split with his 3 dependent kids, and do likewise, 35K salary sacrifice,

    or does this need to be run thru his off-shore, tax-haven company, that won`t pay any tax under `duel-taxation` treaties, or their current re-labeled equivalent

  371. Tony permalink
    April 27, 2014 9:20 am

    So many questions, such little knowledge.

    #dosomeresearch

  372. April 27, 2014 10:01 am

    armchair, with this `early surrender` l think we can reasonably assume our analysis of the Govt-framework is correct in the big-picture sense, tho the internal minor details may be out of date.

  373. Tgm ofMelbourne permalink
    April 27, 2014 10:43 am

    A strong showing again by Teabagz-

    *No idea about superannuation
    *’Pay company directors in cash’
    *Utter confusion about people accessing their own savings and when they reach old age
    *Debt is a political ‘construct’ – now backtracking (now, apparently it is revenue that the duopoly agree on)

  374. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2014 10:49 am

    Hmmm, blame the writing recognition thing.

  375. April 27, 2014 11:01 am

    too bad`ya don`t have the nads and brains to actually post an opinion or rebuttal, but are reduced to dots full of errors or lies,

    *(govt)Debt is a political ‘construct’ – now backtracking(nope,wrong)

    ””'(now, apparently it is revenue that the duopoly agree on)””’LIE,never.said.debt.is.revenue

    and yes, l have noticed you have tried to change my phrase of `govt-debt` to every other type of debt under the sun, #poor.troll.performance

  376. April 27, 2014 11:06 am

    btw yomm, ya`comments have been pretty piss-poor lately, it is as boring as bat-shit `unpacking` troll-type lies, and words put in my mouth

  377. April 27, 2014 11:30 am

    can he income split with his 3 dependent kids, and do likewise, 35K salary sacrifice,

    they do the same with family trusts as well, which is another tax rort that should be looked at imo

    toilet, we were talking about you yesterday re your fence sitting 😉

  378. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2014 11:39 am

    gillard labor introduced the 35,000 super cap.

    Keating on the cap:

    Mr Keating added that the the tenor of the changes corrects by some measure the unsustainably generous tax changes by former treasurer Peter Costello, which dismantled the former Reasonable Benefit Limit’s structure in favour of an open-ended tax free regime.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/super-changes-to-hit-rich-retirees-20130405-2haim.html#ixzz302whdkXC

  379. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2014 11:56 am

    I can’t remember where I read it now, but i saw an article that said there were a couple of options available to abbott for savings, cutting super benefits that affected the wealthy or raising the pension age and abbott chose raising the pension age [for obvious ideological reasons].

    this is the video where hockey floundered and flustered under some tough questioning, not the usual friendlies from the australian reporters.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/hockey-to-cut-300-billion-to-reach-target-20140424-zqz14.html

    $6 bulk-billing fee hits poor, spares rich
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/6-bulkbilling-fee-hits-poor-spares-rich-20140425-zqzmy.html

    did anyone really expect a coalition government was going to behave any differently from their usual trickle up economics?

  380. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2014 11:57 am

    More of the lazy and bizarre from Teabagz – ” too bad`ya don`t have the nads and brains to actually post an opinion or rebuttal…

    Just yesterday – please refer to my comments on debt, old aged pensions, PPL, company director’s remuneration, for example. I doubt whether my position on most issues is a mystery to anyone here.

    Teabags enjoys posting needling, inarticulate, ill-informed comments (of the 160 character variety), but gets all peeved when he’s taken up on them.

  381. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2014 12:11 pm

    Oh, it’s in that same article, the bit I remember

    …The study comes as the Prime Minister is reported to have dismissed a plan to stiffen the pension assets test, favouring instead the gradual move to a 70-year-old eligibility threshold.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/its-super-tax-concessions-not-pensions-that-are-killing-the-budget-20140421-zqx7p.html#ixzz3034QPstE

  382. April 27, 2014 12:34 pm

    Well armchair,
    if l am reading this correctly,
    ””””””””””””””””
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/super-changes-to-hit-rich-retirees-20130405-2haim.html#ixzz302whdkXC
    ””””””””””””””””’
    we can construct the following timeline.

    Keating had a reasonable benefit limit(RBL)`cap` on tax-advantaged contributions, but how much$

    1996.? Costello scraped the RBL/cap, for `unlimited` tax-advantage(ie.for_rich) and was in place until 2013, which Tinfoil`osy, decided to verbal me about, then fled

    2013 Joolya placed the 35K `cap`

    #am l reading this correctly.?

  383. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2014 12:37 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/27/power-cuts-food-delays-manus-riot

    …Morrison did not respond when asked if the latest evidence from the log highlighted that a failure to deliver basic provisions inside the camp contributed to the immediate tension in the the run-up to the unrest…

  384. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2014 12:43 pm

    #am l reading this correctly.?

    yes, that’s how I see it.

    the wealthy [after costello allowed them to] could sacrifice their entire annual wage into super and not pay the tax they should on money earned. Another perk the wealthy enjoyed while the poorest couldn’t even gain access to salary sacrifice let alone avoid tax.

  385. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2014 12:45 pm

    ” Tinfoil`osy, decided to verbal me…”

    The reader’s reaction

  386. April 27, 2014 12:51 pm

    ””””””the wealthy [after costello allowed them to] could sacrifice their entire annual wage into super and not pay the tax they should on money earned. Another perk the wealthy enjoyed””””

    ha ha, that explains Tinfoil`osy`s hit-n-run this morning 🙂 #teabags 🙂

  387. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2014 12:53 pm

    Some more from april 2013

    Super tax nibble fails to tackle gross inequity

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/super-tax-nibble-fails-to-tackle-gross-inequity-20130405-2hb8y.html#ixzz303FbR9aD

    …In a way, it’s fitting that the next Coalition government should be left to fix up the damage done by the last Coalition government. The Howard government made the superannuation system unsustainable by removing the reasonable benefit limits, which put a cap on the tax breaks, and by then allowing anyone over-60 to withdraw their superannuation savings tax free.
    Treasury estimates that the 50 per cent of Australians in the bottom half receive only 13 per cent of those tax breaks. But the 10 per cent at the top receive 38 per cent of them, and the top 5 per cent of us get 26 per cent of the breaks.
    That is a profound inequity, and this reform would leave it essentially undisturbed…

  388. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2014 12:57 pm

    But as we now know, this coalition govt would rather make people work until they are 70 yo then tackle any inequities.

    I don’t know how a manual labourer with a tired worn out body will go working til that time, they are pretty much stuffed by 65 and waiting in a hospital queue for spare parts to keep them going.

  389. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2014 1:07 pm

    I can see that the lefties will only be happy when the rich are taxed so much their tax home pay is reduced to their own.

  390. egg permalink
    April 27, 2014 1:07 pm

    Kitty if an individual over 65 is not fit to work then all he needs is a doctor’s certificate to get the pension.

  391. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2014 1:12 pm

    Fine AO, if someone isn’t fit for work they can take commonwealth sickness benefit, or a disability pension, and as I’ve said before, I’m quite happy for all that to be levelled to the old aged pension.

    But simply handing out old aged welfare to people who simply don’t have the self image of being elderly and who are entirely active, is just a recipe for uncontrolled debt and overburdening future generations.

    (I’m also quite happy to impose greater stringent means testing on payment of the pension, including the family home)

  392. April 27, 2014 1:13 pm

    ”””””””””””The government’s expenditure review committee has reportedly approved a $6 fee, capped at 12 GP visits, meaning patients would pay a maximum of $72 extra each a year. The Medicare co-payment push is based on a proposal by former Howard government adviser Terry Barnes, who found the fee would save the budget $750 million over four years and reduce unnecessary GP visits.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/6-bulkbilling-fee-hits-poor-spares-rich-20140425-zqzmy.html
    ”””””””””'(armchairs link)
    .

    this is looney

    ””””””reduce unnecessary GP visits””””’

    and highly fcuking arrogant that mr-rabbits reheated zombies think they should be determining if people are actually sick enough to see a quack, or `deterring` them from seeing their quack #teabags

  393. egg permalink
    April 27, 2014 1:14 pm

    Neil exaggerates, but there is a glimmer of truth in what he says. Even the communists now recognise the value of the free market, supply and demand, the bargaining power of individuals.

    Incentivation.

  394. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 27, 2014 1:15 pm

    hehe, I was waiting for neil to gallop in to defend his heroes [even when it is indefensible].

    Kitty if an individual over 65 is not fit to work then all he needs is a doctor’s certificate to get the pension.

    Will that change? they are tightening up the pension and disabilities remember. Perhaps he’ll have to be ‘retrained’ to do something to help the wealthy like working for the dole in whatever capacity he has left.

    just for fun:

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/mar/21/women-workplace-everyday-sexism

  395. egg permalink
    April 27, 2014 1:20 pm

    ‘I’m also quite happy to impose greater stringent means testing on payment of the pension, including the family home’

    There would be resistance to that idea, with house prices in Sydney and Melbourne going through the roof because of the Chinese invasion. In principle I agree, bit the idea needs fleshing out.

  396. April 27, 2014 1:21 pm

    Who says re-classifying over-60`s as middle-aged will gain them a job.? #teabags *roll*

  397. egg permalink
    April 27, 2014 1:21 pm

    ‘Will that change?’

    Doubt it, we are not a third world country.

  398. April 27, 2014 1:22 pm

    “simply handing out old aged welfare to people who simply don’t have the self image of being elderly and who are entirely active, is just a recipe for uncontrolled debt and overburdening future generations.”

    You do realise that you actually have to apply for the aged pension, i.e.; it isn’t automatically handed to you as soon as you reach 70 (or whatever the eligibility age may be).

    Many people who reach pension age, simply don’t bother applying for it.

  399. April 27, 2014 1:24 pm

    Let`s re-classify 45-year old women at fertility clinics as `Teenagers`, they`ll be birthing in no time. #teabag-logic

  400. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2014 1:25 pm

    “hehe, I was waiting for neil to gallop in to defend his heroes [even when it is indefensible]. ”

    No, i am just not as nasty a human being as you are.

    I find your hatred of wealthy people quite strange.

  401. April 27, 2014 1:33 pm

    Judging by the overall “vibe” of this thread, one could easily get the impression that there’s a bit of class warfare going on.

    Which Govt can we blame that on?

  402. April 27, 2014 1:54 pm

    ”””Which Govt can we blame that on?”””

    All of`em.

  403. egg permalink
    April 27, 2014 2:02 pm

    ‘All of`em.’

    It may have been simmering for eons, but it was Jools who put it front and centre.

  404. armchair opionator permalink
    April 27, 2014 2:55 pm

    There’s always been a class war and always will be under capitalism. Might be called other names sometimes to disguise it.
    What I find annoying is the privileged and wealthy crying class war every time their ‘extra benefits’ come under scrutiny.
    We are led to believe that we are all equal but when the spotlight is shone on the inequities of wealth – it’s all a class war on the poor people who are only just scraping by on incomes > $200,000 and enjoying lots of govt subsidies that the real working poor don’t get.
    Incentives for wealth and the whip/stick for the poor.

  405. egg permalink
    April 27, 2014 3:43 pm

    ‘We are led to believe that we are all equal’

    Under the law, perhaps. The poor will always be with us, even in an egalitarian society.

  406. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2014 4:12 pm

    “There’s always been a class war and always will be under capitalism

    Lefties do not like successful people.

    Do you have an example of a country we should be like??

  407. April 27, 2014 4:15 pm

    Aust`v`Indo _ #OverPricedFlyingTrashCans

    ””””””””Indonesia doesn’t have a air force that can out-fire Australia’s today. But from 2015, even with a token force of say 10 Sukhoi SU-30 jets in Jakarta’s arsenal, Australia faces an excessive loss rate in aerial encounters that would extinguish its capabilities very rapidly.
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/02/03/joint-strike-fighter-project-now-firing-at-least-in-the-us/?wpmp_switcher=mobile
    ””””””””””””’

    lt`s been a bad morning on wordpress for Tinfoil`osy #teabags

  408. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2014 4:24 pm

    I wish you lefties would make up your mind. Some lefties say we should not spend on the military.

    Now you are saying we should spend more and most probably purchase Russian planes rather than American.

    By the way we are now paying $12B/year in interest on the debt that the ALP/Greens produced from 2007-2013. That is enough to pay for a large govt program.

  409. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 27, 2014 4:30 pm

    1. Are there people around who qualify for an old aged pension and don’t claim it? Or is it that they’re not interested in the various , non cash, fringe benefits that they might qualify for?

    2. Arguing againt unnecessary public debt isn’t any form of class warfare. It’s a debate between the ‘I want it NOW’ types, and those with a sense of responsibility.

  410. April 27, 2014 4:43 pm

    #TrashCans #Tinfoil`osy

    http://www.ausairpower.net/SP/DT-Sukhoi-Dec-03.pdf

  411. April 27, 2014 4:49 pm

    people around who qualify for an old aged pension and don’t claim it? #correct

  412. egg permalink
    April 27, 2014 6:39 pm

    ‘Are there people around who qualify for an old aged pension and don’t claim it?’

    I knew of a couple who worked in small business who didn’t bother, until his health gave way. Somebody said to him ‘why aren’t you collecting the pension?’

    He said he didn’t give it a thought, being used to living relative poverty he only took advantage when they had no choice.

  413. public toilet permalink
    April 27, 2014 8:45 pm

    I don’t see myself as fence sitting at all.

    Obviously, I am repulsed by one side of politics more than the other. That doesn’t mean I’ll nail my colours to the alternative mast as a default position.

    Much of the difference between the majors is rhetorical & I increasingly see all politicians as cynical, opportunist & manipulative.

    If the choice is between a shit sandwich with, or without, sauce…then I’d rather starve.

    Not the same as never taking a position, I’d have thought. I’m quite happy to draw a line in the sand when I think it’s warranted. That line has fuck all to do with political affiliation.

  414. egg permalink
    April 27, 2014 9:15 pm

    All good points, ToM and Kitty already pulled me up on my generality. No offence meant.

  415. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 27, 2014 9:23 pm

    Me- i am anti-labor. Would not trust a single thing an ALP/Greens supporter says before checking it out.

  416. April 27, 2014 9:32 pm

    Home from a hugely productive and peaceful weekend recording in a gorgeous studio in the country.Bordeaux and BBQ !! 🙂

    There is obviously two thee things happening in this thread.
    1..Copious amounts of piss taking sarcasm
    2..Some type of class cock tossing (ladies excluded)
    3..Cage rattling and hook dry baiting

    Lefties do not like successful people.

    Ok I will play this game. My sensibilities, intellect and instinctual common sense says “no don’t bother you will be sorely disappointed”. I will however, allow you an opportunity to “qualify” this overtly obtuse generalisation because its meaning eludes my understanding so Kneel please explain to us…
    Precisely what exactly is a “lefty”

  417. April 27, 2014 11:56 pm

    “A couple of years back, Kelly Slater visited Manly in my electorate. There were over a thousand screaming fans as you’d expect when the world’s greatest surfer visits the world’s greatest beach. But as I have seen with my own eyes, Sir, Ma’am, in Manly, you are bigger than Kelly Slater.”

    Just shut the fuck up, Idiot Boy. What an embarrassing fucking pommie idiot 🙄

    http://bit.ly/1flmfer

  418. April 28, 2014 6:56 am

    dumpty @April 27, 2014 6:39 pm Agree dumpty, my grandparents, parents and aunt/uncle were exactly the same.

    ________

    dunny April 27, 2014 8:45 pm Fully agree dunny. The non-choice of `shit-with-sauce` or `shit-without-sauce` doesn`t mean `any` type of alignment, tho we won`t get that thu to our tinfoil-clad, easily impressed Locksteppers of either side.

    Politics being reduced `whats-in-it-for-me` and `team-cheering` has removed the `true-value` of voting, having a so-called democracy, and nation building from the national/state agenda. This is playing-out with people switching-off, not enrolling, and not thinking `democracy` is important among the young, as we speak. The `usual` suspects will not agree tho.

  419. April 28, 2014 7:16 am

    ””””””””’There’s always been a class war and always will be under capitalism. Might be called other names sometimes to disguise it.””””””””

    And that `war` is always `waged` by the wealthy in society against the poorer in their `own` society.

  420. April 28, 2014 7:19 am

    #Fun for TB #morning abc1 tv news reckons country teabags are defecting to pups #GoClive 🙂

  421. April 28, 2014 8:07 am

    #Fun for TB #abc1 said clive is suing noddy for `liable` #go-watermelon #go-clive 🙂

  422. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 8:55 am

    Clive has a good case.

  423. April 28, 2014 9:16 am

    Clive has a good case.

    Clive gravitates between common sense and complete lunacy. He does hold bipartisan contempt for the ineptitude of politico’s which resonates with me however, he is a loose loaded cannon who did acquire most of his power (money) via dodgy political association as part of Joe’s white shoe brigade.

  424. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 10:41 am

    Still, if Abbott goes to a DD over DA I’ll be voting for the lunatic mob.

  425. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 10:42 am

    “Precisely what exactly is a “lefty”

    This matter can be approached from a number of angles.

    1. Historically leftists were those Jacobins and other radicals who sat on the left side of the Estates General in the French Revolution.

    This is also the era of the original latte leftists who plotted their revolution in the Palais Royal café in Paris.

    The French Revolution saw the full flowering of the murderous streak inherent in leftism in the Reign of Terror. This murderous streak is characteristic of revolutionary leftism and reared its ugly head in the murderous leftist regimes of the 20th century which killed over 100 million people.

    2. A characteristic of leftists is their arrogant belief in their own political prescriptions. It is precisely because they believe in the moral superiority of their ideology that they are capable of the most hideous acts when they get power.

    The leftist agenda usually involves greater government control of society, so that even in democracy leftists tend to hack away at basic freedoms in favour of government regulation and control. This is apparent in the leftist desire to limit free speech. It is also quite obvious in the leftist attitude to Climate debate. For example Green candidate Clive Hamilton has said it may be necessary to “suspend democracy” in order to implement the Green climate policies.

    Hamilton is also fond of referring to the Greens as the ‘Party of Plato’. Plato believed not in democracy but in rule by philosopher-kings, into which category Hamilton no doubt believes he falls.

    3. One facet of leftism is the view taken of human nature. The traditional view, call it the doctrine of original sin, is that people are flawed, they are subject to greed, avarice, pride, jealousy, anger, violence and the like. There is much in human history to support this view. The alternative view is that which looks to the perfectibility of man – that if we can only get the structure of society right people will be good an happy.

    Thus we have the leftist fairy-tale of ‘from each according to his own ability to each according to his need’. We all know, at least the sane among us, that that is a deeply stupid statement. We should also realise by now that no one person or group of people, can efficiently manage an economy. Economic progress springs from the operation of free markets which are directed by the individual choices made daily by millions of people.

    Even modern leftists seem to struggle with this concept. They seem not to realise that virtually every cent the government spends is generated by private enterprise. Nor do they realise that in order to fund their welfarist dreams it is a good idea to ensure that the vitality of the private sector is not strangled.

    4. Another approach is to look at leftism not so much as a set of policies but as a state of mind. Leftists often proudly refer to “leftist though” which appears to mean something very different to normal thought and basic common sense.

    The consequence of this approach is that leftists are never satisfied. Having achieved one policy goal they will be on to the next, ever more ludicrous, campaign. This is because leftists are by nature perennial whingers.

    French philosopher Jacques Maritain took the view that the difference between left and right is largely temperamental. Leftists, he said, “prefer what is not to what is”. Conservatives prefer “injustice to disorder”. In my view neither change for its own sake nor stasis for its own sake are reasonable positions.

    This dichotomy highlights the possibility of a sensible way forward – forget about radical change for its own sake, try to learn from history but do not leave injustice to fester. Rather slowly and with an eye to past mistakes aim for achievable and sustainable improvements which will carry the support of the majority.

    5. The American Revolution succeeded brilliantly while the French Revolution descended into an orgy of bloodletting and ended in dictatorship precisely because the American Founding Fathers were well versed in Greek and Roman History. Washington could have been an American Napoleon and some factions urged him to seize power. But, like Cincinattus before him, he handed in his Commission and retired.

    The US constitution is remarkable. Its system of checks and balances has provided a foundation for the longest standing democracy. It had many defects which have been addressed over time, such as when the Republicans abolished slavery.

    One thing I don’t get is that many leftists are eager to adopt the label of “leftist” and wear it as a badge of pride. This is some weird type of identity politics, a display of moral superiority based on an unctuous feeling of one’s own virtue. These shallow fools are the most dangerous.

    Sane people are more inclined to be pragmatic, to have some regard to history and human nature and to the unintended consequences of grandiose schemes usually ill-thought-out recipes for disaster.

    6.To summarise, leftists are conceited whiners who sit around in their cafes and parlours criticising everything wrong with the world. They have an overly optimistic view of human nature. They have little grasp of economics or how it is that the economy produces the wealth they dream of pissing against the wall. They are oblivious to the lessons of history. If their current program were to be achieved tomorrow they would still be whining and posturing and identifying new victims in need of their ministrations for this is what gives meaning to their pathetic lives.

  426. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 10:55 am

    ‘Rather slowly and with an eye to past mistakes aim for achievable and sustainable improvements which will carry the support of the majority.’

    This is probably the best we can hope for in a democratic system, the development of a greater middle class. There is no third way.

  427. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 28, 2014 11:26 am

    ““Precisely what exactly is a “lefty

    Thanks Splatter

  428. April 28, 2014 2:50 pm

    Thanks Splatter?
    No thanks Splatter…. where did you cut and paste that bullshit from?

    Kneel you are a rhetorical parrot…as I expect you have no fucking idea

  429. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:04 pm

    ‘This is because leftists are by nature perennial whingers.’

    The prime aim is to create heaven on earth, so they have plenty to keep them busy.

  430. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:36 pm

    “where did you cut and paste that bullshit from? “

    There is no need to cut and paste when you are merely stating the bleeding obvious.

  431. April 28, 2014 4:45 pm

    The prime aim is to create heaven on earth, so they have plenty to keep them busy.

    What the fuck does that even mean? Have you got kneel disease? That is patently apparent by all the atheism 🙄

    There is no need to cut and paste when you are merely stating the bleeding obvious Bleating the obnoxious

    You’re most certainly Bleating the obnoxious while you are cut and pasting someone elses tripe 🙄

  432. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 4:48 pm

    ‘What the fuck does that even mean?’

    A near perfect world.

  433. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 4:56 pm

    I’m sorry you find the truth obnoxious, Ricky. (BTW I didn’t cut and paste any of it. When I do that I use quote marks and usually provide a link.)

  434. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 5:10 pm

    Bill Gates gets an editorial run in China and highlights the inequalities in the communist state.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2014-04/28/content_17470349.htm

    This openness is hard for the ruling elite, yet essential.

  435. April 28, 2014 9:06 pm

    I’m sorry you find the truth obnoxious, Ricky. (BTW I didn’t cut and paste any of it. When I do that I use quote marks and usually provide a link.)

    So that would be your Opinion then … That would be the same opinion that considers everyone who doesn’t agree with you a Communist, dictatorial, eroding free speech …ect. Are you sure you’re not a Libertarian, they are all sanctimonious too… . 🙄

  436. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 9:05 am

    Ricky, my opinion is that leftism is a spectrum. There is nothing wrong with yearning for a better world. At the other end of the spectrum it becomes a mental illness. But music is much more interesting than politics.

    Here is a song made almost perfect by some great guitar picking:

  437. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 1:16 pm

    The prime aim is to create heaven on earth, so they have plenty to keep them busy.

    Strange – as I just read a–a-a-a-ll the way through that potted, personal and opinionated history …

    … I couldn’t help thinking how much it reflected the Catholic Church over the centuries … especially when it comes to beheadings, burglaries bigotry and bonkings …

  438. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 29, 2014 1:24 pm

    “They have an overly optimistic view of human nature.

    And that is why many ALP policies fail.

    Take Superannuation. I guess when it started up it did not occur to people that upon retirement people would splurge their lump sum, run out of money and then go on the pension.

    Perhaps only a certain percentage of Super should be allowed to be accessed each year??

  439. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 1:33 pm

    Perhaps only a certain percentage of Super should be allowed to be accessed each year??

    Nah… just stop it altogether … let them starve … that way the old buggers are easier to control …

  440. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 29, 2014 1:35 pm

    Did you read hat i said?? They are going on overseas trips, buying better homes and then when the lump sum is gone, going on the pension.

    So Super is not working like it was supposed to.

  441. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 1:48 pm

    Did you read hat i said?? They are going on overseas trips, buying better homes and then when the lump sum is gone, going on the pension.

    OMG, fancy a pensioner buying a better home in a third world country or the depressed US housing market where they are almost giving houses away.

    the bloody hide of them, spending their own money like that.

    You do know that the wealthy deliberately structure their finances to ensure they can always get the most of any taxation advantages don’t you, or go offshore so as not to pay any tax at all?

    Why is the taxpayer teat only meant for the accounting wizardry of the wealthy?

  442. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 29, 2014 1:53 pm

    Not quite sure what you are saying.

    Under the current laws you can spend say a $500,000 Super payout on a nicer home and then go on the pension.

    Anyway that is how i understand it.

  443. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 2:11 pm

    Under the current laws you can spend say a $500,000 Super payout on a nicer home and then go on the pension.

    As you understand it, well through your bile coloured glasses anyway. They might be able to under the law, but how many actually do what you are saying compared to those who sell up and downgrade to a smaller, easier to manage place? can you give some stats?
    It might be a nicer place because it’s more modern than the clapped out one they had before and couldn’t afford to renovate, but they had equity in the house. This is part of their retirement plan and freeing up money to last through their retirement. They go on the pension because they are entitled to, same as the rich can after they offload assets to their family or hide money.

  444. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 2:30 pm

    I’m sorry you find the truth obnoxious, Ricky. (BTW I didn’t cut and paste any of it. When I do that I use quote marks and usually provide a link.)

    sb is an eager participant and proponent of the bolt/hadler/jones/australian style – ‘opinion disguised as fact/news’, sometimes [as in the above example] turning to complete gobbledegook 😉

  445. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:00 pm

    Complete Gobbledegook???? You are too cruel, KL.

    Diagnosing the etiology and epidemiology of leftism is no easy task.

  446. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:10 pm

    Diagnosing the etiology and epidemiology of leftism is no easy task.

    etiology and epidemiology you say? That is evidence based research indeed. Where is this research field of scientific ‘leftism’ located and who are the scientists who endeavour in this field??

  447. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:27 pm

    There are many places to start with this analysis. Much good stuff comes from the left What’s Left by Guardianista Nick Cohen, Orwell’s Animal Farm and Brave New World, Christopher Hitchens’ Arguably. You might also look at The Closing of the American Mind by Allan Bloom.

  448. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:44 pm

    Oh Dear … chuckle …

  449. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:13 pm

    cripes, I think you really do confuse fact & fiction, it’s the conservative mind. Oh well, at least you came up with something, but i’m pretty sure etiology and epidemiology wasn’t in any of it 😉

  450. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:25 pm

    “I think you really do confuse fact & fiction, it’s the conservative mind.”

    Now that is pure fiction!

    No doubt you are aware that Freud used a study of fiction (Oedipus The King) as the basis for his work in diagnosing the Oedipus Complex.

  451. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 7:27 am

    ‘LABOR Left leader Anthony ­Albanese last night called on union chiefs and power­brokers — including himself — to relinquish power and influence to members because they have a “collective responsibility’’ to reform the party.

    ‘And he hit out at some March for March protesters who overstepped the mark, cautioning that those on the progressive side of politics “should leave the abusive slogans and offensive posters to the fringe’’.

    Balogh / Oz

  452. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2014 9:25 am

    Another approach to understanding why leftists are never satisfied – they define themselves by their acquisition of positional goods:

    A positional good is a good that people acquire to signal where they stand in a social hierarchy; it is acquired in order to set oneself apart from others. Positional goods therefore have a peculiar property: the utility their consumers derive from them is inversely related to the number of people who can access them… PC-brigadiers behave exactly like owners of a positional good who panic because wider availability of that good threatens their social status. The PC brigade has been highly successful in creating new social taboos, but their success is their very problem. Moral superiority is a prime example of a positional good, because we cannot all be morally superior to each other. Once you have successfully exorcised a word or an opinion, how do you differentiate yourself from others now? You need new things to be outraged about, new ways of asserting your imagined moral superiority.

  453. May 6, 2014 9:38 am

    Bollocks Splatter..”moral superiority” defines this government and its idiocy.

  454. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2014 9:58 am

    … they define themselves by their acquisition of positional goods:

    Political? Long stretch and in fact I’d say it describes many of the catlik, Liberal voters I unfortunately know … its generally “physically” keeping up with the Joneses and “morally” only dogbothers think they know what good morals are, leads to a born to rule mentality, that’s why they tend to ignore morals, hypocrites all …

  455. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2014 10:33 am

    “hypocrites all …”

    TB, I think you may be right to see the similarity between leftists and other moralising tossers from days gone by.

    No sooner do we abolish blasphemy laws then we are assailed by a new lot protecting the sensitivities of the new generation of moral exhibitionists.

  456. May 6, 2014 11:39 am

    No sooner do we abolish blasphemy laws then we are assailed by a new lot protecting the sensitivities of the new generation of moral exhibitionists

    Do we still have blasphemy laws on the books Splatter? I remember all that bullshit when there was the Catlick Convention in Sydney…. They passed all those regressively draconian “don’t offend the catlick laws”. A bunch of us had tshirts made and hit the city along with a group of 50 or so others…I had a Tshirt made that said “Jesus is a black commo cocksucker”… my mate had one that said “lock me up you catholic cxxnt”. I guess we were guilty of moralising to the moralists.

    This moral exhibitionism of which you speak is the skurge of progressive society. Its like TB said the other day, the Fibs and the new right have taken the Baton and decided to run in a reverse regressive two step. The Green left pretend that they are not doing the same thing and their moral imperative is more important. As opposed to saving our morality they are saving the planet from itself from their air conditioned 4 wheel drives.

    Hyperventilating moralists are not contained to political spherical coordinates, its an innate desire of the meager to feel superior in the tribalism of conformity.

  457. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 6, 2014 11:46 am

    Agreed BP,“Hyperventilating moralists are not contained to political spherical coordinates, its an innate desire of the meager to feel superior in the tribalism of conformity … by the accumulation of positional goods!

  458. May 6, 2014 12:30 pm

    Hyperventilating moralists are not contained to political spherical coordinates, its an innate desire of the meager to feel superior in the tribalism of conformity to consumerism…

    Thanks Splatter most certainly 🙂 I still have the Tshirt by the way, but maybe I should get that printed on one white on black:-)

  459. TB Queensland permalink
    May 6, 2014 1:36 pm

    WOW! Got my point in one … impressed … re:

    TB, I think you may be right to see the similarity between leftists and other moralising tossers from days gone by.

    But they ain’t gone by …

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/05/06/02/05/chaplains-challenge-has-round-two-in-court

    If parents want children to be brainwashed ministered to … then they can go to private schools and/or Sunday schools … state schools should remain secular … we are not all dog botherers … I believe religion should be studied at high school (no influence at all particularly by one religion in primary school – ie Christians) and that means ALL religions …

    Chaplaincy is a blatant exercise in influencing education in schools …

    If needed … better to employ counsellors or child psychologists …

  460. September 24, 2014 11:06 am

    It’s hard to come by knowledgeable people on this subject, but you seem like you know
    what you’re talking about! Thanks

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