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Abbott expects greater “respect” when tax hikes hit

April 28, 2014

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******A STUNNING GUTTER TRASH EXCLUSIVE PROBE REPORT INVESTIGATION!!!******

  • Tony Abbott to introduce a debt levy for “the good of Australia!”
  • The people expected to rejoice!!
  • Abbott expects greater respect from budget measures!

Citizens rejoice! After promising to be a “government on no surprises,” the Abbott government has signaled spending cuts to the ABC, SBS, changes to Medicare, and the Aged Pension, and today will call on Australians to pay more taxes for “the good of the country.”

“I know that the tendency on budget night is to focus on ‘what’s happening to me’ but we need to focus on ‘what’s happening to us’ because everyone needs to be involved in fixing Labor’s debt mess if all of us are to prosper in the years ahead,” says Tony Abbott is a leaked speech obtained by The Gutter Trash.

The speech, expected to be delivered tonight, will slug ordinary Australians with a so-called “debt levy” to pay down government debt.

“This will not be a budget for the rich or the poor; it will be a budget for the country.

“This will be a nation-building budget, even though it cuts spending, because you can’t build a nation spending money you don’t have and that’s more than you need to borrow.”

A FISCAL DISASTER!

Yesterday, when asked about reports the Government was considering a temporary levy to pay off the deficit, Mr Abbott said the Government would “tackle the fiscal disaster that we have inherited”.

“It’s important that the mess be tackled,” he added.

“Now, we are going to do it in ways which are faithful to the commitments that we made to the Australian people, but we are not going to squib the challenge.”

The reports said any new debt tax would target high-income earners and Mr Abbott said any measure the Government took would be “fair”.

The Federal Opposition seized on the leaked speech accusing the Coalition of breaking yet another election promise.

Opposition treasury spokesman Chris Bowen says such levies should be for “genuine unexpected emergencies” and fixing the deficit “falls a long way short”.

“Joe Hockey has deliberately inflated the budget deficit and is now asking the Australian people to pay for it in a clear breach – a clear breach – of an election promise that there’d be no new taxes,” he told The Gutter Trash.

Mr Bowen said Labor supported returning the budget to surplus but only “gradually and over time without swingeing cuts that would affect confidence”.

VOODOO ECONOMICS!

“This is the deceitful, voodoo economics of Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey from before the election catching up with them.”

INDUSTRY GROUPS SLAM ABBOTT’S PLAN

One of the country’s leading business organisations, the Australian Industry Group, has cautioned the Government to be “very wary” of bringing in a tax to pay off debt.

“Raising taxes would dampen private sector demand at a time when the economy is growing at below trend and the labour market is flat at best,” AIG chief executive Innes Willox said.

“You can’t tax your way to prosperity.”

Mr Abbott’s speech tonight – due at 9:00pm (AEST) – further signals that the budget will include measures that hit taxpayers in the hip pocket.

“We owe it to our country; we owe it to everyone who elected a government to clean up Labor’s mess; to take the right decisions rather than the popular ones,” he will say.

“I don’t expect politicians to be more popular the day after the budget but I hope that we might have earned a little more respect.”

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  1. April 28, 2014 11:10 am

    …will slug ordinary Australians with a so-called “debt levy” to pay down government debt.

    Oh, that’s allright then, I thought for a minute it was going to be a tax 😆

    I’m a bit worried about abbott’s health, he’s looking very yellow in that photo, perhaps his shit-on-liver disease is getting out of hand.

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 11:15 am

    Botox?

  3. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 11:21 am

    ‘I thought for a minute it was going to be a tax’

    ** chuckle **

  4. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 28, 2014 11:24 am

    If i was the dictator of Australia i would put the deficit tax on all the people who voted ALP/Greens in 2007. Coalition supporters would get a tax cut.

    Sick to death of cleaning up the fiscal mess after Labor/Greens have trashed the joint.

  5. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 28, 2014 11:30 am

    “……….If i was the dictator of Australia i would put the deficit tax on all the people who voted ALP/Greens in 2007………..”

    Hey that includes me

    If I was a dictator of Australia in retaliation I would then feel an overwhelming urge to have you physically separated from your testicles.

    LOL

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 11:47 am

    If I was the dictator of Australia I would I would make neil work at manus detention centre as a guard and force him to donate all his wages to the greens/alp. In his spare time I’d make him perform charity work for the asylum seeker support agency.

    This is a bit frightening, global government collusion against democracy in action.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/australian-health-facilities-at-risk-from-global-trade-deal-says-union

    Negotiations on the Tisa resume in Geneva on Monday and Australia is chairing the talks from then until Friday.

    The 23 parties to the agreement are Australia, Canada, Chile, Chinese Taipei, Colombia, Costa Rica, the European Union (representing its 28 member states), Hong Kong, Iceland, Israel, Japan, Liechtenstein, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, the Republic of Korea, Switzerland, Turkey and the United States.

    Talks on the agreement began last year, and Australia is moving the deal forward with the US and the EU. The pact is being pursued outside the World Trade Organisation by a group of pro-trade liberalisation countries with the idea that the final text be compatible with the General Agreement on Trade in Services (Gat).

  7. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 11:48 am

    They should call the Act which introduces it “The ALP Deficit Levy Act”.

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 11:56 am

    They should call the Act which introduces it “The ALP Deficit Levy Act”.

    we would all know it as ‘the lying tony abbott tax’

  9. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 11:58 am

    That too! It is not as though he didn’t know about the deficit when he made the promise.

  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 28, 2014 12:04 pm

    If I was the dictator of Australia I would I would make neil work at manus detention centre as a guard”

    What for?? Manus Island was empty in 2007.

    It was the ALP/Greens who locked all these people up. Largest number of children locked up also.

    Detention Center network only cost $140M/year before the Pacific Solution was abolished and there were only 6 boat people in detention back in 2007.

    We are now spending billions of dollars extra feeding and housing all these people.

  11. April 28, 2014 12:10 pm

    “If I was a dictator of Australia in retaliation I would then feel an overwhelming urge to have you physically separated from your testicles.”

    I’ll wield the testicle shears for you, Mein Fuhrer.

  12. April 28, 2014 12:13 pm

    The only respect Abbott’s gonna win with his posthumous impositions & hyperbolic justifications for ideological agenda implemetations will come from those who’d betray their own families to support him no matter what he did anyway.

    Truly, he is full of shit or delusional if he thinks his punitive measures will settle well with the general populace.

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 12:17 pm

    How do you think that is going to look to taxpayers when he gives business a 1.5% tax cut?

    http://thekouk.com/blog/the-benefit-of-a-debt-tax-is-a-big-fat-zero.html#.U1228Pna6Sq

    …All that such a debt tax imposed by the government to reduce government debt and deficit would do is transfer household savings from the private sector (where savings fall and / or debt increases) to the government sector (where debt falls). $10 billion of revenue from the tax, for example, would reduce household savings by that amount whilst simultaneously reducing government debt by that amount, less the red tape and administration costs of course.

    The net effect on national savings, which is the thing that matters to all sensible macroeconomists, is a big fat zero.

    Once more, public debt transferred to private [individuals], the conservatives love to crow about a surplus when all they have done is shifted the burden on to us. Not economic geniuses are they, just big fat liars and thieves.

  14. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 12:44 pm

    Parliamentary changes an ‘attack on democracy’, say independent MPs

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/parliamentary-changes-an-attack-on-democracy-say-independent-mps-20131113-2xggy.html#ixzz3093tDpV4

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 28, 2014 1:04 pm

    Once more, public debt transferred to private [individuals], the conservatives love to crow about a surplus when all they have done is shifted the burden on to us.”

    Got any solutions other than condemnation??

    I really do not understand lefties. They say Costello never should have cut taxes but when a tax is mentioned they get all upset.

    Other than being in a state of perpetual outrage lefties do not offer any solution to the problems they have caused.

    And our current Federal govt debt occurred under a Greens/ALP govt. All the people in detention were put there by a Greens/ALP govt.

  16. April 28, 2014 1:12 pm

    “Tony Abbott is at least contemplating breaking his own unequivocal pre-election “no new taxes” promise, apparently by trying to blur the difference between a “tax” and a “levy”.

    (When Labor introduced a temporary flood reconstruction “levy” in 2011, Abbott was absolutely clear it was a tax).

    The mooted impost is also apparently different from a tax because it would be temporary,

    some government sources are saying – so that would be temporary like the temporary three-year carbon fixed price, or “tax”, before it moved to an emissions trading scheme …

    No wait, that argument doesn’t work, does it?”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/tony-abbotts-duplicity-in-proposing-a-temporary-debt-levy-is-astounding?CMP=twt_gu

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 1:25 pm

    Hope you don’t mind if I completely ignore your nonsensical partisan ranting neil, it gets to a point when it is best not to “engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man” who can’t join the debate just heckles from the sidelines.

    hello reb, nice post and good to see you again. I just finished reading that lenore taylor piece myself. She also points out very precisely that abbott pilloried gillard for a ‘temporary carbon tax’ [which in abbott language would have to be a levy and not a tax] before going to the emissions trading scheme, so every way you look at this, the deception and duplicity is very obvious.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/tony-abbotts-duplicity-in-proposing-a-temporary-debt-levy-is-astounding

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 1:37 pm

    Got any solutions other than condemnation??

    You really don’t like being faced with coalition hypocrisy and deception do you?

    As if you wouldn’t be the first to condemn if it was labor pushing it. Have you forgotten the ‘party of no new taxes’?

    Actually, yes i do have a solution, look at cutting the very generous superannuation concessions which are the real problem.

    I don’t have to come up with the solutions, that is what they are paid the big bucks for, but i can decide whether I agree with their proposed solutions or not. it is obvious they refuse to look for the answer to the ‘problem’ they are planning to tax us all when they should be cutting the concessions that benefit the wealthy.

    I don’t think there is any ‘budget emergency’ as taylor points out, it is a long term structural problem, not an immediate and acute emegency that needs an emergency fix.

  19. April 28, 2014 1:44 pm

    “hello reb, nice post and good to see you again. ”

    Nice to see you too, KL… 🙂

  20. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 1:47 pm

    ‘The reports said any new debt tax would target high-income earners ‘

    That leaves me out of the equation, but I’m still pissed off paying for the Brisbane flood through my insurance.

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 2:18 pm

    NRA offers children free membership amid ‘Youth Day’ gun activities

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/27/nra-children-membership-youth-day-guns

    get ’em young!

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2014 2:20 pm

    It’s teh equivalent of “there will be no carbon tax” and Abbott deserves to suffer the same reputational damage (or more)

  23. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 2:24 pm

    But…but…he’s only goin’ to tax the rich.

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 2:32 pm

    The American Dream is now just that for its middle classes – a dream
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/26/middle-class-american-dream-just-dream

    …The answer is disconcertingly simple: we chose this path…

    …It is the direct result of a political system that has for more than four decades abdicated its responsibilities – and tilted the economic scales toward the most affluent and well-connected in American society. The idea that government has an obligation to create jobs, grow the economy, construct a social safety net or even put the interests of the most vulnerable in society above the most successful has gone the way of transistor radios, fax machines and VCRs. Today, America is paying the price for that indifference to this slow-motion economic collapse…

    sound familiar??

  25. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 2:52 pm

    “The American Dream is now just that for its middle classes – a dream”

    They brought the current nightmare on themselves when they elected Obama.

  26. April 28, 2014 3:07 pm

    If i was the dictator of Australia

    You are both a Dick and a Spud

    No surprises, no changes no new taxes…. oh piles and piles of respect disrespect.
    Off ya go noddies defend the indefensible… Call everyone a “lefty” (made up term = I’m embarrassed I voted for this knob) who calls this bullshit out, including those who voted for him I guess you feel like tools as it reminds you that Abbott is a 100% bullitting chrome plated panty smear.

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:08 pm

    Got any solutions other than condemnation??

    Kneel, you seem to get mixed up with policies for the less well off than you and expenditure by the government …

    Here’s a few! I thought all you lot were defeated in 1945 … in Germany.

    Can we really justify spending $600 million on climate change research in the Pacific and should we subsidise entrepreneurs who want to start wind farms?

    Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey must understand that we’ll be expecting politicians to personally tighten their belts as well.

    Why do we pay for European jaunts of politicians’ partners, such as former Labor Minister Greg Combet’s girlfriend, ABC newsreader Juanita Phillips, last year? That was a $72,000 trip.

    Let’s cancel all politicians’ so-called “study tours” overseas until further notice.

    We presently shell out $20 million a year to ferry politicians and their appointed associates around in Commonwealth cars, according to The Australian. Is that absolutely necessary?

    Former politicians such as Robert Ray, who is now chairman of the little-known Australian Political Exchange Council, and Peter Costello, as chairman of the Future Fund, are entitled to use the taxpayer-funded service.

    ABC boss Mark Scott, who earned almost $680,000 last financial year, is a regular user of Comcars, according to The Australian.

    When Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey show us they are serious about living within their means, they should understand that middle Australia is ready for a serious conversation about big reforms.

    There is so much to do. It’s time for multinationals, such as google, to pay their fair share of taxes. It is time for the welfare system to be wound back. Let’s talk about smaller government, a bigger population and more individual responsibility.

    Many small business people are craving commonsense reforms to excessive industrial relations laws. Parents want to see cafes and shops open on public holidays staffed by energetic young people learning what it means to work and earn their own money.

    We understand it’s time for fair dinkum change — not new taxes that simply patch over a problem. We want strong leadership that puts Australia first.

    Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey, be bold. Your political futures depend on it.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/country-will-come-out-swinging-if-tony-abbott-and-joe-hockey-introduce-new-taxes-in-the-2014-budget/story-fncynjr2-1226898416792

    And this little fkn gem …

    “This will not be a budget for the rich or the poor; it will be a budget for the country.

    “This will be a nation-building budget, even though it cuts spending, because you can’t build a nation spending money you don’t have and that’s more than you need to borrow.”

    Quite frankly the baby boomers are tired of “supporting” this country!

    Its actually time for Gen X and Gen Y to get off their arses and do some supporting …

    Gawd fkn save us from Fuckwits!

    And watch out for retrospective laws – something I never saw until O’Farrell did it last year … how can people plan when stupid/ignorant/greedy pollies keep fiddling with them!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thanks for your kind words on the weekend … and no I’m still not well … not sure if its just this fkn bug or the ones in Canberra! Or both …

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:08 pm

    Good work on (anotehr) 500,000 reb!

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:19 pm

    Thanks for your kind words on the weekend … and no I’m still not well … not sure if its just this fkn bug or the ones in Canberra! Or both …

    did you have your flu jab this year?

  30. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:30 pm

    ‘Can we really justify spending $600 million on climate change research in the Pacific and should we subsidise entrepreneurs who want to start wind farms?’

    No, not really.

  31. April 28, 2014 3:32 pm

    Thank you ToM… 🙂

  32. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:38 pm

    ‘Quite frankly the baby boomers are tired of “supporting” this country! Its actually time for Gen X and Gen Y to get off their arses and do some supporting …’

    X and Y had access to easy credit and it has stunted their economic growth, so the senior citizens will have to do the hard yards a little longer.

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:41 pm

    Is the revolution a-comin’ ?

    Thomas Piketty’s book “Capital in the 21st Century” is a no. 1 bestseller.

    Thomas Piketty is a rock-star economist – can he re-write the American dream?

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/27/thomas-piketty-economist-american-dream

    …Economic growth is what we all benefit from, but profits from invested money accrue only to the rich.

    The consequences of this are clear: those who have family fortunes are the winners, and everyone else doesn’t have much of a shot of being wealthy unless they marry into or inherit money. It’s Jane Austen all over again, and we’ve just fooled ourselves that the complicated financial system has changed a thing.

    This is a deep point. Many American households, if they are lucky, will grow their wealth at the same rate as the economy. But, because the wealthy are growing their fortunes at a much faster rate, no one else can ever catch up.

    Let’s repeat that: no one else can ever catch up.

    This is where Piketty adds more nuance: it’s not just inequality of wealth and income that we’re struggling with, but inequality of opportunity. That’s of far more concern. In essence, he is saying, we’re lying to ourselves if we believe that hard work will lead to wealth. Mainly, wealth reliably leads to wealth. Everything else is chancy. The middle class is playing the economic lottery to improve their lot in life, while the wealthy have a sure thing…

  34. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:51 pm

    “Thomas Piketty is a rock-star economist”

    Only in the sense that there is a conga line of slavering leftists queuing to grace his anus their warm wet tongues.

  35. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:56 pm

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 3:57 pm

  37. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 4:06 pm

    Its a disgrace!

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2014 4:26 pm

    500,000

    CONGRATULATIONS REB!

    And of course to the all slaves commenters!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    KL, did you have your flu jab this year?

    Yes, I did, the morning I began feeling queasy …it was before the jab so I don’t think its related – unless it just exacerbated it … I’m certainly better than I was on Friday tho’ …

    … ironically I said to The Minister on the Thursday after an “all good” from our doc, “… its good to feel healthy, hey?” … what a Dill! 🙂

    sb’s, last post made feel a bit sicker actually …

    Reading your tweets above I reckon its time for a Royal Commission about the dealings of the Liberal Party of Australia and the Liberal National Party …

  39. April 28, 2014 4:32 pm

    From Personal Experience as someone who grew up in Hurstville, It could not happen to a bigger fucking bitch nicer person.

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-hears-chris-hartcher-corruption-claims-as-liberal-mp-marie-ficarra-steps-aside-20140428-zr0np.html

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 4:34 pm

    Sorry, TB. You know I make frequent typos. I inadvertantly omitted the word “with”. All the best with the recovery.

  41. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 4:37 pm

    ICAC serves a very useful purpose in shining a light into the dark recesses of power. Even if no one is charged, it will have been worthwhile.

    Hopefully those loyalists who oppossed the Unionland RC can now see similar value in that exercise.

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2014 5:12 pm

    No probs here, sb … corruption and sleaze should be stopped wherever it slithers … are ya listenin’, Sir Noddy?

    … not that I’m a fkn loyalist to anything or anyone … especially in the 21st Century …

    As I read here recently it is also time for a Federal “ICAC” … now’s yer chance, Mr Palmer!

    Go Clivey!

    I’m thinking we fk the states off too … just make them regional service centres … we are recognised as a friggin’ country after all … and how many of us? 23 million …

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 5:14 pm

    Hopefully those loyalists who oppossed the Unionland RC can now see similar value in that exercise.

    I think we were all quite OK with the union RC as long as the ToR were not so tight that corrupt business were not exempted from the same spotlight.

    Also think it extremely important to set up a federal version of ICAC

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 5:15 pm

    were not exempted = were exempted

  45. Sir Walrus of the Northen Waters permalink
    April 28, 2014 5:44 pm

    “Actually, yes i do have a solution, look at cutting the very generous superannuation concessions which are the real problem. “”

    If you are referring to amounts that can be contributed I’d probably disagree as this would only last until the person benefitting remains in the workforce. You want them to build up sizeable amounts so you can exclude them from the pension entirely then you need to reintroduce some form of tax on their superannuation income (even deem it if you must) as that effectively creates an annuity for the government until the day they die.

    But you’d probably need to give them a tax free threshold of the maximum amount of the aged pension each year. Then tax then on a sliding scale .

    Effectively you would try and avoid taxing those with balances over say $1.2M for a couple

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 5:50 pm

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/workers-set-to-be-hit-by-a-debt-tax-and-families-could-lose-benefits-as-the-abbott-government-struggles-to-reduce-the-nations-deficit/story-fni0cx12-1226896802364#U402466358864pKG

    …FORMER treasurer Peter Costello’s Future Fund spent $8000 of taxpayers’ money on a Christmas party at a venue called La Di Da that offers burlesque evenings; but it insists there were “absolutely not’’ any strippers.

    A catalogue of extraordinary spending at the fund reveals the end-of-year bacchanalia was small change compared to the $8 million in cash bonuses last year to some of the organisation’s 92 staff.

    There were also 88 credit cards issued for 92 staff with spending limits of between $2000 and $15,000…

    …Since Tony Abbott was elected the Future Fund has spent nearly $5000 a day on airfares, $900,000 on ­recruitment costs and $15,500 for “human chemistry” consultancies…

  47. Sir Walrus of the Northen Waters permalink
    April 28, 2014 6:02 pm

    “human chemistry” …………………..???

    Is that sort of studying the effects of alcohol on a colleague during a loooooooong Friday lunch ?

  48. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 6:03 pm

    Businesses aren’t exempted. To the extent they are involved in Unionland corruption their activities can be examined.

    Anyway, I was thinking more of those who suggested that because the police were investigating matters there was no need for a RC. My point is that they serve different purposes. Even if some, like O’Farrell, are not charged with any crime or if others get off on a technicality it is still in the public interest to know what went on and to shame the more prominent politicians among them.

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2014 6:27 pm

    “Actually, yes i do have a solution, look at cutting the very generous superannuation concessions which are the real problem. “”

    If you are referring to amounts that can be contributed

    I think you misunderstood, Wally … “concessions” ie discounts on government charges

    Still, your reply was “interesting” – to say the least … do you know many pensioners?

    … as that effectively creates an annuity for the government until the day they die.

    Well I hope this fkn government dies soon … 🙂

    An annuity for the “government” … whatever happened to fkn income tax in this country?

    Effectively you would try and avoid taxing those with balances over say $1.2M for a couple … well of course … balances over $1.2 mill!! … jesus fkn christ!

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    April 28, 2014 6:29 pm

    … and to shame the more prominent politicians among them

    Yeah, I’m sure Bazza is dutifully “ashamed” … its not the “value” its the principle …

  51. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 28, 2014 6:38 pm

    The point is that he was shamed from office. Not everyone is as brazen as Thommo.

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 6:47 pm

    democracy or plutocracy?

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/csg-santos-and-oil-giants-revealed-as-major-donors-to-national-party-20140206-324o3.html

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 7:10 pm

    It’s not OK for consumers to boycott business, they need banning, but it’s fine if you are a bullying conservative govt.

    Minister urges boycott of Ben and Jerry’s over save-the-reef campaign
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/apr/28/save-the-reef-campaign-lands-ben-and-jerrys-in-political-hot-water

  54. April 28, 2014 7:42 pm

    Mr-Rabbit`s nice new `deceit Levy` huh.?

    ls anybody `really` surprised.?

    #Let the wailing begin.

  55. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 8:06 pm

    “If you understand the facts, you’d want to be boycotting Ben and Jerry’s.”

    Hear Hear!

  56. April 28, 2014 8:09 pm

    ””””””””If I was a dictator of Australia in retaliation I would then feel an overwhelming urge to have you physically separated from your testicles.”””””””’

    Good Luck with that.

    They`re stored away securely in Gerard Henderson`s vault.

    And only see the light of day at teabag election victories.

  57. April 28, 2014 8:30 pm

    ”””””””””the reality of America’s continuing economic malaise. Ask Americans if the country is on the right track – 60% say no. Satisfied with the way things are going in America – only 25% say yes.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/26/middle-class-american-dream-just-dream
    ”””””””””

    #population awakening.?

    +

    ”””””””””Still think you’re a member of the middle class – only 44% feel so confident. Forty per cent self-identify as lower-class, a 15-point jump since 2008.”””””

    +

    ”””””””””Among young people, the numbers are even more depressing. Those who place themselves in the lowest tier have doubled in just the past six years.””””””

    #the middle class bullshit the yanks have swallowed has really only brought them the american nightmare, not dream

    #working class folks earning small money deluding themselves `they-aint` working class, they should have had some pride that they actually earned a living

    #no work and welfare seems to `drain` morale

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 28, 2014 8:46 pm

    Why are lefties so anti USA??

    I would chose to live in the USA over most countries on earth.

  59. April 28, 2014 8:51 pm

    ””””””””how can so many Americans be falling behind – and how can the nation’s leaders allow it to happen?

    The answer is disconcertingly simple: we chose this path.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/26/middle-class-american-dream-just-dream
    ”””””””””’

    +

    ””””””””the ostentatious wealth of the so-called 1% and the crushing economic anxiety of the growing number of poor Americans have happened in plain sight.””””””’

    +

    ””””””””’It is the direct result of a political system that has for more than four decades abdicated its responsibilities””””””

    +

    ””””””””””Today, America is paying the price for that indifference to this slow-motion economic collapse.””””””””

    #we won`t find quotes like that in Tinfoil-clad cubicles, quotes that describe `constructs` that are ignored and denied by the willfully stupid and blind

    #we don`t have anything to worry about tho `our` Tinfoileers claim, we are following a totally differentsame roadmap, and headed to a totally differentsame destination, and we are in the safest hands possible to drive the trainwreck. #teabags

  60. April 28, 2014 8:58 pm

    ””””””””’In short, the “choice” that America made to pursue the path of decline will be with us for some time to come.”””””””””

    hey armchair, damn good ending

  61. egg permalink
    April 28, 2014 9:05 pm

    I thought fracking had made their manufacturing more competitive. Its not yet the end of empire, but I agree the middle class is slowly sliding into an underclass.

  62. April 28, 2014 9:08 pm

    Why are lefties so anti USA??
    I would chose to live in the USA over most countries on earth.

    Firstly you don’t even know what a leftie means , you just parrot whatever you are droned to think…

    Secondly Fuck off then, I suggest Watts, queens or knoxville

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 28, 2014 9:10 pm

    No lefties have always been anti USA.

    Why this hatred??

  64. April 28, 2014 9:11 pm

    So you’re a fan of fracking and the port project on the reef then Egg?

  65. April 28, 2014 9:14 pm

    Firstly I’m not a leftie..whatever that is? You have no idea, neither does Splatter…and secondly I’ve been to the states 4 times, how many times you been there Kneely?

  66. April 28, 2014 9:21 pm

    ”””’I would chose to live in the USA”””’

    I would chose you went to live in the USA too

    l recommend Philadelphia

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 28, 2014 9:27 pm

    Why are lefties so rude???

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 10:01 pm

    Four corners tonight:

  69. April 28, 2014 10:27 pm

    ””””””””””””The Queensland and federal governments in January approved the dumping of 3m cubic metres of dredge spoil in the marine park and World Heritage area to enable the Abbot Point coal port expansion.

    The government says 70% of the spoil is expected to settle on the seabed.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/apr/28/save-the-reef-campaign-lands-ben-and-jerrys-in-political-hot-water
    ””””””””””””””

    Ben and Jerry`s effort is futile, the reefs a goner.

  70. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 28, 2014 10:46 pm

    teabags r us

  71. April 28, 2014 11:15 pm

    ””””””””””It is incredible to think that Andrew Neil is a conservative columnist in the UK. Would be seen as a mad lefty in Australia.”””””””

    l am not alone. armchair,

    as l said on other thread, these looney teabags are not representing any of the old-style conservatives, or `leaners`, they just represent `looting` community assets

  72. April 28, 2014 11:24 pm

    A.Neil comments were very sane and spot-on in my book armchair, quite a stark contrast to the blonde woman from Limited-News, who just spouted the usual crap. #teabags

  73. April 28, 2014 11:39 pm

    Just goes to prove that these twats hell bent on hate bent political radicalism and mindless teabag parroting drones who call themselves “conservatives” but are nothing more than mindless fucktoids slavent to the ideology of class based hatred.

    Look at Kneely wheely.. Not interested in an issue, just in hatred, division and miming mindless generalisation… there is your typical Abbott voter right there.

  74. April 28, 2014 11:56 pm

    I guess anyone who exposes Hokeys lies is a leftoid, leftist, Commo, terrorist?

  75. April 28, 2014 11:58 pm

    ””””time for Gen X and Gen Y to get off their arses””””

    sounds like boomer-blowhard, BB`s should be careful what they spout, they lived in what was a much better era of employment, one that has been half-fcuked for gen-x, and absolutely fcuked for gen-y,

    boomers that think this is bullshit could give away their house, car, bank-balance and start from zero(as an exercise) go try and get a fcuking decent job, you will most likely find(tho you made it big in your era) you won`t fcuking make it big in this era #sillyoldcnuts

  76. April 29, 2014 12:09 am

    and yes #sillyoldcnuts ya`don`t have ya`quals etc either, so you are trying to educate/work/pay-mortgage/raise-kids on even shittier work conditions/hours/security, if ya`actually have the nads to sit down and re-run `your` life in this era, you might just realize how much has been pushed beyond reach for many, and what a highly valuable asset secure and abundant employment was.

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 12:23 am

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/icac-shadowy-political-fundraisers-dragged-into-the-light-of-day

    …The foundation – classified as an “associated entity”, or organisation that primarily benefits a party, for the purposes of electoral law – received $715,724 in donations in 2012-13, $510,000 in 2011-12 (almost all of it from one of private hospital entrepreneur Paul Ramsay’s companies) and $1,157,726 in 2010-11.

    Guess that’s why privatisation is in the planning.

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 1:17 am

    harrowing 4 corners episode re asylum seekers, just makes me feel sick to my stomach.

  79. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 7:51 am

    ‘So you’re a fan of fracking and the port project on the reef then Egg?’

    Not entirely, I’m still open to be swayed on fracking. On the reef and the port project, it was my understanding that cyclones do more damage than dredging.

  80. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:35 am

    Wealth Disincentive?

    ‘FAMILIES will lose access to taxpayer benefits under a hard-line plan to slash budget spending as Tony Abbott signals a new income threshold of $100,000 to determine who gets “handouts” from Canberra.

    ‘Social security payments will be scaled back and eligibility rules tightened in a bid to save billions of dollars while forcing people out of welfare and into work.’

    David Crowe / Oz

  81. April 29, 2014 8:50 am

    harrowing 4 corners episode re asylum seekers, just makes me feel sick to my stomach.

    I was speechless, it was disturbing and a national disgrace.

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/04/28/3991401.htm

    Not entirely, I’m still open to be swayed on fracking

    This Gass Rush is ill thought out and potentially the greatest eviromental threat of the modern age, theatening our food supply and water table. There are no credible long term studies into the considerable impacts, only lobbyists as always purveying the virtues of economic prosperity.

    it was my understanding that cyclones do more damage than dredging.

    This is part of this government’s “Green Tape” garb, the environmental impact studies were circumvented again for the lobbyists purveying the virtues of economic prosperity.

    8 by 5…. go the Libs.
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-inquiry-opening-up-a-can-of-liberal-worms-20140428-zr0sy.html

  82. Sir Walrus of the Northern Lights permalink
    April 29, 2014 9:12 am

    … well of course … balances over $1.2 mill!! … jesus fkn christ!””

    LOL

    OK sounds like a lot but………………….. I think you need to consider a conservative investor with all that in cash is earning 4% tops these days. That’s only $48K per year and the pension for a couple is around $30K I think. Otherwise there is no incentive to save for super in the first place

    And besides $1.2M is where all the current pension concessions cut out.

    So there’s nothing strange about $1.2M if you want people to not take/be ineligible for the pension.

  83. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 10:23 am

    ‘….the greatest eviromental threat of the modern age, theatening our food supply and water table.’

    Living in the bush I support the idea that fracking should be stopped in agricultural areas and serious studies done on the possible impact on the Great Artesian Basin.

    There is a need to face up to economic reality, gas prices are about to increase in NSW because of export needs, this is an unfortunate aspect of supply and demand economics in a free market. In your thinking, its the ugly face of capitalism.

    The Green Tape garb sounds like Abbott getting rid of red tape and cultivating progress.

  84. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 10:24 am

    “If you understand the facts, you’d want to be boycotting Ben and Jerry’s.”

    Hear Hear!

    Read the story, egg, you’re only half boiled … unless you agree with dumping dredged sand where 70% is “expected” to reach the sea bottom … WHAT ABOUT THE 30%!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just saw your post @ 9:12am, Wally … I agree with 4% … and you’ve got to realise that retirees “have” to be conservative … this is their income generator any loss of capital is extremely difficult to recover … that’s why so many will never recover from the GFC – no capital to generate more (that’s why I can’t understand governments selling assets that actually make money – short term thinking) ….

    The pension is around $33,000pa for a couple and around $17, 000pa for single but there’s lots of variations … eg house owner gets less etc …

    The rates as at July last year are here …

    http://www.humanservices.gov.au/spw/customer/publications/resources/rt010/rt010-1307en.pdf

    Page 28/29 …

    … the News for Seniors I just discovered hasn’t been issued since, July 2013 – its always been a quarterly release … now when did Tony Abbott & The Tonedeafs take power?

    http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/publications/rt010?utm_id=7

    Seems this government is shutting down open communication in every department … what you don’t know you can’t challenge …

    At least if they think your figures are good I’m safe – and we won’t get a full pension anyway …

    I’ll check my calculators but from memory it starts to decrease when you have a – better still here, try your own calculations (MLC is the best I’ve found over the last five or six years.

    http://www.mlc.com.au/calcs/pensionCalc.html

  85. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 10:32 am

    ‘WHAT ABOUT THE 30%!’

    There maybe some collateral damage, but mostly it will become absorbed by the currents and carried away safely. I’ll have a closer look and get back.

  86. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 11:28 am

    On any typical day in Autumn the currents are onshore.

    http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/orthographic=-205.63,-22.68,3000

  87. April 29, 2014 12:06 pm

    it was my understanding that cyclones do more damage than dredging.

    And there will be a lot of those as the environment becomes more and more unstable as [what used to be] extreme weather events become normal occurences.

    You know what causes even less damage? leaving it where it belongs.

    Australians pay more for a natural resource that we all own because profits are going overseas. Our gas is sent to asia and india, which add even more greenhouse gases to the environment. How is any of that in our own best interests?

    Supply & demand, exporting, overseas owned profits – we don’t need it, it is pure greed of the mining lobby, who are quite happy to see australia’s shared resources depleted for profits to themselves.

    Never mind the tourist industry built around the reef. I guess they can say “come and see the reef before it’s gone”

    Death by sludge, coal and climate change for Great Barrier Reef?

    …ABC 7.30 Report pointed out that some of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority (GBRMPA) board members had connections to the coal industry…

    Conflict of interest? oh that old thing, such a quaint notion in these days of lobbying and corporate ownership!

    …Approving just two of the coal mines in Queensland’s Galilee Basin, which would push coal through the dredged area at Abbot Point, would add emissions equivalent to six times the annual carbon footprint of the UK.

    For the reef, it is not so much the risk of “death by a thousand cuts” but more “death by millions of cubic metres of sludge and billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide”. All approved…

  88. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 12:35 pm

    ‘And there will be a lot of those as the environment becomes more and more unstable as [what used to be] extreme weather events become normal occurences.’

    Can’t accept that.

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 1:38 pm

    course not, doesn’t get through the fog of denial and you’re not a climate scientist are you? Just a devout and obsessed consumer of any available denial propaganda? You persist in this activity in the hope of converting any ignorant someone, anyone, over to your denial.

    http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/04/05/whistleblower-claims-austalian-govt-censored-environment-concerns-prior-approving-mega-gas-projects

    …In August 2011, it was revealed in the Brisbane Times how the Queensland Government did not know the lifecycle greenhouse gas emissions of coal seam gas and were instead relying on work paid for by the gas industry…

    …The Courier-Mail has also revealed how Simone Marsh’s former bosses have joined others who have left the state government to work for the coal seam gas industry in the private sector. Calls are being made for the state’s independent Crime and Misconduct Commission to investigate the approvals process behind the two major projects…

    Guess that’s why the newman govt. has weakened the CMC, so they can avoid getting up on bribery & corruption charges.

    …”Over the same period, the Government transformed the Crime and Misconduct Commission from a watchdog to a lapdog and peremptorily sacked the independent Parliamentary Crime and Misconduct Committee.”… [fitzgerald]

    Exclusive: Mont Pelerin Society Revealed As Home To Leading Pushers Of Climate Science Denial:
    http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/01/15/exclusive-mont-pelerin-society-revealed-home-leading-pushers-climate-science-denial

    …Research has shown that belief in free market ideology is a predictor of the rejection of climate change science. This link was also revealed in Merchants of Doubt, a book by science historians Erik Conway and Naomi Oreskes.

    About four out of every five climate denial books ever published, according to one study, have links to conservative and free market think tanks either through the authors or the …

    The evidence would appear to be accurate judging by the climate denial of those espousing free market ideology on this blog.

    Tell me, how much has the mining lobby donated to the coalition and the newman govt?

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:03 pm

    [IPA] http://www.ipa.org.au/publications/2258/abbott-government-should-not-punish-aspirational-australians:-ipa

    …”Those on higher incomes in the PAYG system already bear the brunt of the income tax burden, with more than 60% of net income tax paid by individuals earning over $80,000 each year.

    “The proposed deficit levy is also unfair, because it will disproportionately affect families that rely on a single income.

    “Families with one income earner being paid $80,000 a year would pay the levy, while families with two income earners earning a combined $80,000 will not pay the tax.

    “Someone earning $80,000 a year is well off, but they’re not rich. Teachers and nurses can earn well in excess of $80,000 per annum.

    Why the let off for couples with combined income of 80,000?

    now to bob ellis re qanda:

    http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2014/04/28/an-open-letter-to-mark-scott/

  91. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:20 pm

    ‘course not, doesn’t get through the fog of denial and you’re not a climate scientist are you?’

    No.

    ‘Just a devout and obsessed consumer of any available denial propaganda?’

    Hmmm ….

    ‘You persist in this activity in the hope of converting any ignorant someone, anyone, over to your denial.’

    Little chance of that, stuck in the back room in a cone of silence.

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:24 pm

    😆

  93. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:24 pm

    ‘The evidence would appear to be accurate judging by the climate denial of those espousing free market ideology on this blog.’

    Its just a coincidence.

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:41 pm

    I don’t know how abbott thinks he can get away with tricky, deceptive word games [aka howard]. “The debt levy is not a tax as it’s short term”. We remember he never let a day go by that he didn’t call gillard a liar on her short term carbon price before moving to a CPRS.

    http://m.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbotts-honesty-pledge-could-founder-on-new-deficit-tax-20140429-zr14x.html

    …Let’s be clear. Abbott is asking for the kind of understanding from voters that he did so much to deny the previous government.
    Worse, he is playing word games when it is abundantly clear that the “levy” being considered, is a tax, plain and simple. Far more so, incidentally, than the fixed price per tonne on carbon pollution…

  95. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:44 pm

    Both the ALP Deficit Levy and the Carbon Price are taxes.

  96. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:46 pm

    If you think Bolt’s commenters are idiots you should check out the comments at that Table Talk link you posted above! Craven arse-licking stupidity at its finest.

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:54 pm

    Perhaps that is the picture of an australian today – craven, arse-licking & stupid. Doesn’t sound too extraordinary to me, see them in every workplace.

  98. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 3:58 pm

    That is a very bleak view of your fellow citizens, Armie. RUOK?

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:17 pm

    I’m fine, I think you just described the modern aussie. Craven, arse-licking & stupid, they’re as common as muck everywhere you go. I think we like to call it ‘easy going’ or ‘law abiding & conformist’ either way, we do what we’re told, when we’re told with a thank you very much and we tolerate, even savour the shit sandwich. Good little serfs.

  100. Sir Walrus of the White Capped Waves permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:17 pm

    Seems I’ve somehow stumbled into Egg’s CO2 Sandpit ?????????????

    Oh………..hang on

  101. Sir Walrus of the White Capped Waves permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:19 pm

    “”Both the ALP Deficit Levy and the Carbon Price are taxes.”

    Agreed

    As was Carbon Tax and Carbon Price.

    If Abbott tries to play word games with this he’ll be asking for more trouble than just admitting a broken promise

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:25 pm

    Glad you’re here walrus.
    I want to know why a single income family would have to pay the debit tax at 80,000 but a combined income couple of 80,000 doesn’t. Why the differentiation?

  103. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:26 pm

    I think you are being a little overwrought with that description. I am uncomfortable at the thought of slagging off the whole country. Maybe people are generally happy enough with their lives. As a group Australians are doing as well as any group of humans ever has. Or maybe a certain feeling of optimism is a good survival skill for the species, even if things are worse than they appear to be.

    When I see a large group of people behaving abnormally I try to figure out why that is. Leftists are an interesting puzzle in this regard.

  104. Meta permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:36 pm

    (“When I see a large group of people behaving abnormally I try to figure out why that is. Leftists are an interesting puzzle in this regard.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_theory_%28vision%29#Persistence_of_the_theory
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_%28Marxism%29 )

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:38 pm

    Or maybe a certain feeling of optimism is a good survival skill for the species, even if things are worse than they appear to be.

    scared shitless they’ll lose jobs and can’t pay the debts.

    The italian movie ‘life is beautiful’ comes to mind.

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:43 pm

    oh thanks meta, you have all the answers!
    reification – that must be how corporations are now given personhood?

  107. April 29, 2014 4:49 pm

    Emission theory eh?

    Now I know why Meta wears sunglasses! 😆

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:53 pm

    Now I know why Meta wears sunglasses!

    coz he/she’s waaaay cooool 😆

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:56 pm

    My Emission Theory is that all expulsive acts are in some way pleasurable.

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 4:58 pm

    Now I know why Meta wears sunglasses!

    coz, he don’t want none of those rays, he’s no craven, arse-licking, stupid aussie!

    …Evidence for the theory[edit]
    Adherents of emission theory cited at least two lines of evidence for it.
    The custom of saluting is said by some to stem from the habit of Greek soldiers putting their hands up in front of their eyes to “shade” their eyes from the powerful “light” shining from the eyes of their commanders…

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:03 pm

    I just bought [cheap ones, not the designer stuff] a pair of blue reflective sunglasses, I might wear them in to work and give those rays back to them!

  112. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:07 pm

    I’m pretty sure Meta’s have little windshield wipers on them.

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:17 pm

    Funny how news.com.au tucks these at the bottom of the page …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-will-struggle-after-ambushing-the-voters/story-fncynjr2-1226899713506

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:21 pm

    I’m pretty sure Meta’s have little windshield wipers on them.

    i’m thinking more like this:

    http://fsb.zedge.net/scale.php?img=Ny80LzgvNS8xLTQ5NjY5NjEtNzQ4NTAzOS5qcGc&ctype=1&v=4&q=81&xs=620&ys=383&sig=6114149eb7366f7aa239204213637fae67bbf299

  115. Sir Walrus of the White Capped Waves permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:23 pm

    “”I want to know why a single income family would have to pay the debit tax at 80,000 but a combined income couple of 80,000 doesn’t. Why the differentiation?””

    Been like that since like……………………forever.

    And don’t forget that 2 combined incomes adding up to $80k also gets the benefit of 2 tax free thresholds as well of $20K each approx.

    I’m not satisfied that enough middle class welfare is being cut. If they are too shit scared to cut it then do the cutting in stages like reducing Tax Benefit A & B by 20% over next 5 years. Perhaps Benefit A can stay but not at the income levels currently in place and “B”must go.

    Then do the fiddling with Superannuation as I outlined above somewhere. Not so much on contributions but certainly on Superannuation income after retirement.

    And another thing. No one should be allowed to deduct from their superannuation any part of their 9.25% (as it is now) as a lump sum. It was set aside to support them throughout retirement not for a few nice holidays plus some new cars then onto the pension

    And I’m not satisfied that we have an Ageing Funding Crisis like they say. Afterall the ones who die off over coming years are leaving sizeable estates a lot of the time. Yet no one seems to canvas that fact.

    Perhaps we need a new outlook on Deceased Estates as well where lets say the Children of the final Parent must either roll part (lets say 50%) of any Estate into their Superannuation or face a Death Duties ?

    That’ll help keep them ineligible for the pension” when they retire. Otherwise they might “blow it

    Just throwing that one out there………………………..

    My Dog………………did I mention Death Duties …………Fuck……………..I must have gotten out of the Left side of the bed today

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:28 pm

    I agree with your thinking walrus [not often, I know]

    but

    Been like that since like……………………forever.

    still doesn’t tell me why, just that it is historic

    why, why, why???

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:46 pm

    I imagined Meta to be a little more subtle than a both-guns-blazing buffoon. Maybe that is Gangsta Meta behind those shades.

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:13 pm

    lenore taylor’s done the numbers

    Pretending a debt levy is not a tax grossly insults voters’ intelligence:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/29/pretending-debt-levy-not-tax-insults-voters

    Let’s take a single income family with a couple of kids on $150,000 a year. Under the detailed calculations Labor provided with its carbon tax plan, they would have paid around $760 a year in extra bills as the tax flowed through at its original $23 price, and would have received $77 in compensation, leaving them $683 a year worse off.

    If that family did their sums before they voted last year, and believed what Tony Abbott was telling them, they would have assumed they would be about $837 a year better off in real terms – because they’d keep their compensation but they would not be paying the tax any more. But according to the Tele they’ll now be hit with an $1,500 debt levy, eating away everything the coalition had promised them and another $700 besides. (If the $638 a year hit to their cost of living was unimaginable, it must be truly terrible to contemplate what a $700 impost might do).

    Or take a dual income family with kids where both parents earn $100,000 a year. They didn’t get any compensation under the carbon tax and – according to the former government’s tables – wound up $1,000 a year worse off. Under the debt levy they’d be paying $2,000.

    Do we really need to worry too much about it, when labor, the greens and PUP have all said they won’t support it?

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:16 pm

    oops, was meant to quote from let’s [first para] to $2,000 [end of second last par]

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:29 pm

    Afterall the ones who die off over coming years are leaving sizeable estates a lot of the time.

    And jobs … oh that’s right no-one wants to actually work they all want to be rock stars …

    Perhaps we need a new outlook on Deceased Estates as well where lets say the Children of the final Parent must either roll part (lets say 50%) of any Estate into their Superannuation or face a Death Duties ?

    Actually that’s an idea worth tossing around … (and my kids have been told – all being well – that’s pretty much all that will be left when The Minister and I pop off)

    As for death duties that’s very lefty thinking actually … I worked for my family not the fkn state … although I sometimes often wonder …

    There is a “push” to force older people to move and downsize … I’ve lived in my home for over 30 years with my family in the same street … pretty cruel concept …

    One of the biggest issues for OAP is that they don’t own their bloody homes when they retire … so a big slug of capital gets thrown at the mortgage – in many cases I suspect they are better off continuing with monthly payments at that stage …

    ==============================================

    I imagined Meta to be a little more subtle than a both-guns-blazing buffoon.

    … and you would be right … well done …

  121. Sir Walrus of the White Capped Waves permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:32 pm

    And the NDIS levy starts from 1 July from memory.

    Its all becoming too hard to kep up with………………………….might just retire and wait until I clock onto my Transition to Retirement Pension and live a pauper’s life.

    Gettin’ to that stage of life where the only one hope one has is that Viagra will be put onto the PBL. Perhaps it already is ?????????????

    After all I’d hate to be left like some of the older folk around here………………………

    Not at that stage yet but eventually that part of your life must become like playing Snooker and trying to “pot the balls” using with a piece of old rope as a cue stick.

    Bloody difficult

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:34 pm

    Do we really need to worry too much about it, when labor, the greens and PUP have all said they won’t support it?

    Hope not … but its now “hanging” over them … bit like the age pension … “we won’t do it now, but we will do something three years from now” …

    How do people plan for retirement with that little black cloud in the sky …

    And I have no faith in the ALP to simply oppose it … deals within deals … this parliament reminds me of the Joh Bjelke Peterson days … actually its worse, they’re all on the take …

    Nothing changes … nothing is new …

  123. Sir Walrus of the White Capped Waves permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:37 pm

    “”As for death duties that’s very lefty thinking actually … I worked for my family not the fkn state … although I sometimes often wonder … ”

    Well perhaps its a “repayment”to the State for the Superannuation Salary Concessions already given over the years.

    Its to act as an incentive to roll it into Super. Anyway 50% is not too onerous I wouldn’t think.

    They still get to choose to preserve it for their retirement of pay the duties.

  124. Neil of Sydney permalink
    April 29, 2014 7:38 pm

    And another thing. No one should be allowed to deduct from their superannuation any part of their 9.25% (as it is now) as a lump sum. It was set aside to support them throughout retirement not for a few nice holidays plus some new cars then onto the pension

    I have heard this is happening. I have no idea of the percentage of people who do this. But it is starting to look like Superannuation is another ALP policy that does not work.

  125. April 29, 2014 8:13 pm

    ””””””””””The biggest political job Mr Abbott must confront is in explaining why none of this was foreshadowed in the election campaign just seven months ago.

    He has to justify the ambushing of voters.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-will-struggle-after-ambushing-the-voters/story-fncynjr2-1226899713506
    ””””””””””””

    Who the hell was ambushed.
    Limited-News needs to stop parroting my ABC.

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:25 pm

    Who the hell was ambushed.

    Well there’s a lot who were no matter how much gets fired at him he just keeps dodging and weaving loike a bo-o-o-x-e-e-er …

  127. April 29, 2014 9:57 pm

    I guess the fuck you all I wont be around anyway and those who oppose mantra is the cattle call for criminals propagating such ridiculously unnecessary contempt for the planet with willful environmental rape for profit. …

    Come-on nose ringed morons..sing along …

    Lefty Lefty who are not teabags
    Those who dare to think
    Lefty lefty uncle Rupert sings
    As he sells us down the sink

    Lefty Lefty academic,
    Those of science hate
    Lefty Lefty Tony Teabags
    Lies Surprise berate

    Lefty Lefty divide we do
    So conquer we neo con
    Lefty lefty those of need
    Tebags punish piss upon

    Lefty Lefty, not Dames or Sirs
    just ordinary folk
    Lefty Lefty we licence hate
    Syndicated free speech vote

    Lefty Lefty everyone,
    Anyone but us
    Lefty left tebag divide
    Boom until you bust.

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2011/11/03/3355047.htm

    http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3593812.htm

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2013/04/01/3725150.htm

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2011/s3141787.htm

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20110221/gas/default.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  128. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 7:56 am

    ‘Limited-News needs to stop parroting my ABC.’

    Its shocking the way the Murdocracy is carrying on, accusing the PM of breaking a solemn promise. If he thought a temporary levy to tax the rich would get support from the green/left alliance. then he is sadly mistaken.

    ‘TONY Abbott’s proposed new tax debt levy would see Australia have the 14th highest top income tax rate in the developed world.’

    Daily Terror

    Abbott is flying kites and banging a drum to give the impression that things are bad and something must be done, that everyone must pull their weight, particularly the rich.

    “Well, if you won’t pass this tax, there goes the PPL and DAP,” Tony Abbott will say.

    And the people will cheer, feeling that public opinion has forced him to change. He maybe a political genius, or just a dill, we’ll have to wait for the budget to find out.

  129. April 30, 2014 5:49 pm

    I imagine he’s spooking all of the horses at the moment, even a majority of his own slavering steeds.

    Hopefully people remember.

    A portent of what he’d like to do, now or after the next election.

    I think he’s seriously misjudged the complicity, goodwill & perceived ignorance of the electorate.

    Bolt’s thread reads like an epiphany for many of his commenters (to their credit). It’s like they just worked out that maybe it isn’t just the side they’ve been trained to hate is politically crooked.

  130. April 30, 2014 5:51 pm

    And conspiracists should note:…News.Com IS NOT giving Abbott a free ride on this.

  131. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 6:31 pm

    ‘I think he’s seriously misjudged the complicity, goodwill & perceived ignorance of the electorate.’

    Can’t see it, he’s too shrewd.

  132. April 30, 2014 6:32 pm

    ””””He maybe a political genius, or just a dill,”””’

    ””””we’ll have to wait for the budget to find out.””””

    #Guffaw””’we’ll have to wait””’Nah, just you dumpty.

  133. April 30, 2014 6:37 pm

    ””””Bolt’s thread reads like an epiphany for many of his commenters (to their credit). It’s like they just worked out that maybe it isn’t just the side they’ve been trained to hate is politically crooked.””””

    l suspect you are giving them way too much credit, we will have to wait and see. l reckon they will be back to panty wetting on command soon enough, we will just have to monitor Tinfoil`osy. 🙂

  134. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 6:55 pm

    ‘….just you dumpty.’

    Its would be foolish to underestimate Abbott’s desire to remain PM, he’ll have to pull a rabbit out of the hat.

  135. April 30, 2014 8:16 pm

    ”””desire to remain PM,”””’

    his `desire` is meaningless,
    for the next 2`an`a`bit years his parties `desire` is what counts, around about now, they are probably regretting `rolling` Mr-Talkbull

    .

    ”””he’ll have to pull a rabbit out of the hat.”””’

    you forget, he `was/is` the rabbit

  136. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 8:17 pm

    (Reuters) – ‘Hastings Funds Management and China Merchants Group have won a state government auction for a 98-year lease on Australia’s Port of Newcastle, the world’s biggest coal export terminal, paying a higher-than-expected A$1.75 billion ($1.6 billion).

    ‘An initial New South Wales state budget plan had valued the lease on the port terminal at A$700 million, but fierce competition for Australian infrastructure assets coming on to market has seen a steady rise in multiples paid.’

  137. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 8:31 pm

    ‘you forget, he `was/is` the rabbit’

    Ah, yeah.

    ‘for the next 2`an`a`bit years’

    If he proves to be a dill, then somebody will replace him before Xmas. On the other hand, if he’s a shrewd political animal then Abbott will let the Senate speak for the people, rejecting some of his dumb ideas.

    He’ll shrug his shoulders and soldier on, grateful for small mercies. Under no circumstances would he go to a DD election if the people are in uproar.

  138. April 30, 2014 8:43 pm

    So one term Tony’s big brilliant idea has been hatcheted, you know the one that was gonna define him as a PM. The fool has cut his own arm off, all piss and no steam. I guess its just another example of what sort of an idea’s man Abbott really is. Its just a matter of time before this ship of fools self destructs as is the destiny of vindictive ideologists sailing on the treacherous waters of public opinion eviscerated by the lies of faux outrage.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/underpressure-tony-abbott-drops-parental-leave-cutoff-to-100000/story-fn59niix-1226900259004#

  139. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 9:21 pm

    We still have to wait for the budget, in the meantime….

    ‘Since the September, 2013 announcement that his six year marriage was over, Packer has been spending more and more time in Hollywood where he has set up film production company RatPac.

    ‘The billionaire businessman has gone in with director Brett Ratner – best known for the Rush Hour franchise and X-Men: The Last Stand – and projects are quickly lining up for the pair.

    ‘Their first investment – Oscar-winning film Gravity – was a massive hit, taking over $716m worldwide and now Brad Pitt has signed on to collaborate with them through his production wing Plan B Entertainment.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2615597/James-Packer-rolls-dinner-LAs-trendy-vegan-restaurant-VIP-seal-approval-Jay-Z-Beyonce-Gwyneth-Paltrow.html#ixzz30MqR07lF
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  140. April 30, 2014 10:15 pm

    Into the Gossip columns Egg?.. Wheres the part where Kate Fisher found him in bed with his mate and went running back to her old boyfriend Ben Mendelsohn. Or the part where he belted her then dad smoothed it over with a cash hush hush split and a new life in LA? Ahh those Cranbrook boys get up to some mischief. Kerry was an Aussie Legend, James is a first class fuckwit.

  141. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 10:42 pm

    Gravity was a first class effort.

  142. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 30, 2014 10:42 pm

    “And conspiracists should note:…News.Com IS NOT giving Abbott a free ride on this.”

    Exactly !

  143. Sir Walrus permalink
    April 30, 2014 10:45 pm

    Abbott needs to walk his talk before the election

    Then be judged

  144. April 30, 2014 10:59 pm

    Gravity was a first class effort.
    What effort, he gave someone some money apart from that he has nothing to do with the picture creatively.

    Abbott needs to walk his talk before the election
    Then be judged
    Well I will judge him on his previous form and current performance,, he is a fuckwit and is imploding.

  145. May 1, 2014 11:04 am

    his `desire` is meaningless,
    for the next 2`an`a`bit years his party and it’s corporate donors `desire` is what counts,

    James is a first class fuckwit.
    he also dabbled in that peculiar brand of designer religion – scientology

    News.Com IS NOT giving Abbott a free ride on this.”

    no, it has also been noted by some yesterday that the fortnightly newspoll hasn’t been published, is this still so? A few wondering why.

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 1, 2014 11:19 am

    hey walrus, did you get named in ICAC?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/30/baird-corruption-crack-down-liberals-icac

    …The inquiry also heard from Timothy Trumbull, an accountant described by counsel assisting, Geoffrey Watson, SC, as an “avid anti-socialist”. After reaching his own personal donation limit, the Bondi accountant is alleged to have funnelled donations to the Liberal party through his employees, none of whom were Australian citizens…

    😉

  147. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 1, 2014 11:27 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/china-trade-blitz-pays-dividends/story-fn59nm2j-1226901377764#

    COMPANIES are on track for a $1 billion pay-off from Tony Abbott’s visit to China as they sign investment deals negotiated during the federal government’s trade blitz. …………The combined value of the 20 commercial agreements is estim­ated in the Austrade analysis at $894 million, while there were separate agreements worth $57m to draw Chinese investment into Australian companies.

    Mr Robb’s trade mission was the largest of its kind to China and was joined in Shanghai by a dele­gation of 20 top chief executives who accompanied Mr Abbott.

  148. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 1, 2014 11:41 am

    Michael Lewis [former wall st. trader whose new book is being turned into a movie]:
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/apr/16/michael-lewis-flash-boys-wall-street-insane
    “The crash happened because of a dramatic failure of free markets and capitalism in general. To top it all, the banks were saved by the taxpayer. In other words, banks benefit from socialism, while everyone else has to live under capitalism. The people who are paid the most live by a different set of rules to everyone else. How absurd is that?”

    it really is crazy, yet we have the those who benefit most from the system global corporations, the fossil fuel industry, having an all out assault on those who try to warn of the dangers faced by future generations of allowing their irresponsible global plunder to continue.

  149. egg permalink
    May 1, 2014 2:52 pm

    ‘What effort, he gave someone some money apart from that he has nothing to do with the picture creatively.’

    Its all about picking winners and I imagine he would have glimpsed some early Gravity footage before he signed on. (I’ll try and follow it up when I get some time)

  150. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 1, 2014 3:59 pm

    “How absurd is that?”

    Quite absurd. Almost every proposition in that ignorant screed is absurd.

    The crash occurred because particular assets were worth much less than originally suppossed. That applies both to the underlying mortgages and the derivatives based on them. Thus the value of banks and funds invested in them fell accordingly. They should have been allowed to fail. Government intervention merely allowed those who made bad decisions to avoid the consequences of them.

    The way free markets operate involves participants making decisions. Those who make wrong decisions wear the consequences. Unfortunately this was not allowed to happen in this case.

    If more banks were allowed to become insolvent the profitable parts of their business such as consumer and business banking would not have disappeared. The profitable operations would have been sold by liquidators to other companies who would have continued to operate them.

    Lewis gives no responsibility to the US government for its role in the debacle in the form of legislation forcing banks to make subprime loans, allowing borrowers to walk away from their obligations under their housing loans and in using Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to effectively underwrite mortgages.

    It is fair to say that many market participants over-valued the loans and derivatives. Those that took the opposite position made large profits. It is also fair to blame the ratings agencies for their critical part in this debacle. Unfortunately they have not paid the price of their stupidity either.

    It is also fair to say that governments helped cause the problem in the first place and, more disasterously, their role in propping up failed institutions ensured that the free market could not function efficiently. This will only lead to more such disasters. Governments ensured that executives who should have lost their jobs and never been hired again kept their positions and privileges. This should have been a salutory lesson to other executives and those who employ them. Instead governments ensured that that lesson was not learned.

    It is not the role of market participants to ensure markets function freely. All participants seek to profit by subverting the market through any means available to them. It is ultimately the responsibility of governments to ensure markets function properly. In this they have failed utterly.

  151. May 1, 2014 5:01 pm

    ””””News.Com IS NOT giving Abbott a free ride”””’

    Too early to call dunny. Limited-News will just be taking a `breather` while it considers its preferred method and style of cheer-leading, groveling and damage control for Mr-Rabbit. He is still their boy.
    .
    .
    ””2`an`a`bit years his party and it’s corporate donors””haha of course armchair 🙂 nice job/add-on

  152. May 1, 2014 5:18 pm

    Well there is just too much for me to Digest but as I suspected..massive cuts to services, healthcare, the pension, welfare, the public service and privatisation a plenty. The Australian network will go… No direct mention of the ABC and SBS. A plan to make people in low employment area’s (the bush) move or lose. It looks like people on the DSP will have to reapply…
    On face value..much to do with ideology…
    just for the record.. It is the consensus of many of the greatest economic minds in the country and overseas the there ids no “Budget Emergency”. To use the term is just an outright lie.
    More to come soon…

    NO SURPRISES AYE?

    http://www.ncoa.gov.au/report/phase-one/recommendations.html

    Gone
    Short term

    Australian Hearing Services.
    Snowy Hydro Limited.
    Defence Housing Australia.
    ASC Pty Ltd.
    Medium term

    Australian Postal Corporation.
    Moorebank Intermodal Company Limited.
    Australian Rail Track Corporation Limited.
    Royal Australian Mint.
    COMCAR.
    Long term

    NBN Co Limited.

  153. Sir Walrus of the White Capped Waves permalink
    May 1, 2014 5:25 pm

    “….hey walrus, did you get named in ICAC?”

    LOL

    Nah.,………….but he is quite well known in accounting circles as quite……………………shall I say “dodgy”……………………..others would say “”ädventurous”” or “”imaginative””

  154. May 1, 2014 5:37 pm

    Hey Splatter Have you seen the inside Job..great Doco…

  155. May 1, 2014 5:45 pm

    ”””No direct mention of the ABC and SBS.”””

    Don`t worry Ricky, my ABC will get a `budget-trim` just as they have begged for, for the 4-years they abdicate the `investigative` and played along with the Limited-News clap-trap regarding Mr-Rabbit. lt is not like my ABC hasn`t `earned` their trim. Any damage to my SBS will be unfair.

    .

    ”””Budget Emergency”. _ the term is just an outright lie.”””

    Come`on Ricky, that`s not a surprise, is it.

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    May 1, 2014 5:57 pm

    The way free markets operate involves participants making decisions. Those who make wrong decisions wear the consequences. Unfortunately this was not allowed to happen in this case.

    Now yer cookin’, sb

    Welcome to the world of Über Kapitalism controlled by The Robber Barons … via The Creature From Jekyll Island the FRB and all other “central banks” … the prime role of reserve banks is to protect the major banks (including our own RBA) – with taxpayer money … so we can all be happily creamed … whenever the system fails …

  157. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 1, 2014 6:06 pm

    Not only when the system fails – look at the ridiculous profits banks make!

  158. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 1, 2014 6:08 pm

    The best news today was Jodi McKay at ICAC. It is nice to know that we had one honest politician. Shame her party worked against her to ensure she lost the following election.

  159. egg permalink
    May 1, 2014 7:52 pm

    ‘Australian Rail Track Corporation Limited.’

    I predict a quick sale, well over market price.

  160. egg permalink
    May 1, 2014 8:34 pm

    ‘What effort, he gave someone some money apart from that he has nothing to do with the picture creatively.’

    Warner Bros was already involved and the budget mooted at $100 million. RatPac was formed in 2012 and Packer threw in $100 million.

    Perhaps its just a coincidence, but I think Jamie has the midas touch and its nice to see him eating vegan.

  161. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 7:18 am

    ‘ANIMOSITY towards Tony Abbott’s top-tier paid parental leave scheme is growing in regional Australia as his own experts urge frugality and ordinary voters slam it as a city-centric extravagance.

    ‘Tamworth family day care provider Nicole Mahony, 28, who is pregnant with her third child, said even the Prime Minister’s pared-back concession for women earning $100,000 a year was “pretty wrong”.

    Morton / Oz Hate Media

  162. Meta permalink
    May 2, 2014 7:41 am

    (Yep, AO; the high frequency traders almost certainly have binders full of corporations-are-people-too; even when the corporate-people’s people-people are doubling as advisor-lobbyists to an its-nothing-personal commonwealth of the people. Or, something like that.)

  163. Sir Walrus of Sunny Palm Beach permalink
    May 2, 2014 9:16 am

    Major shock at ICAC yesterday they unearthed an honest ALP politician

    Mmmmmmmmmm…………….!

    That very word “Politician

    Poly = Many

    Tics = Blood sucking parasites

  164. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 9:23 am

    The ball is now in the ALP’s court, Walrus. They should be proud of her. The question is whether they will support her in the next election. If history is anything to go by they will not. The ALP usually punishes members with the integrity to call out ALP corruption.

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2014 9:52 am

    Now? Is this Fascist control or Communist control … I’d have to go for Fascist, they mention Catholic education (along with public and independent schools)… commos wouldn’t …

    LOWER the minimum wage to “improve job opportunities”

    MAKE young singles aged 22 to 30 relocate to “higher employment areas or lose access to benefits after a period of 12 months”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/five-minute-guide-to-commission-of-audit-proposals-to-change-our-lives/story-e6frflo9-1226902686244

    As for health … dontcha love the reasoning – people visit hospitals an average of 11 times a year, I think that’s too many” … WTF does Tony Shepherd think he is? His medical quals are?

    We always said that this government would want to revisit the 1950’s and here we are …

    … concocting an economic crisis when just about every economist is saying “what crisis” …

    … confecting a long list of fear cuts aimed at people who can least protect themselves aged, the young, unemployed and welfare recipients …

    …. targeting pensions, health, education, training & development, community assets via privatisation …

    … no mention of retaining the super profits tax for mining or indeed extending it to the bloated profits of banks and insurance companies …

    … no mention of investigating the productivity, remuneration, perquisite and particularly post benefits …

    … all driven by ideology, controlled by the catliks and assisted by big business … ALL Australians my arse … this is the biggest right wing pendulum swing I’ve seen in my lifetime …

    The reason we haven’t seen this report for a month is because they have been brainstorming weasel words and phrases …

    Where are the latest polls – as someone mentioned earlier …

    This is one of the most amateur governments I have ever seen in action

  166. May 2, 2014 10:03 am

    “this is the biggest right wing pendulum swing I’ve seen in my lifetime …”

    Yep, and in such a short space of time too.

  167. Sir Walrus of Sunny Palm Beach permalink
    May 2, 2014 10:16 am

    “LOWER the minimum wage to “improve job opportunities”………”

    An unexpected and excellent recommendation.

    In fact there is another idea that has a great deal of merit. In the USA bellboys at hotels get paid such a low amount because they make most of their money from tips.

    In fact they can make so much money in the 4 and 5 star hotels that their jobs have an intrinsic value and are “sold on” by the hotels whenever one of them resigns or retires.

    I think we should look at a system where people should put bids in for their positions let’s say $3 or $4 thousand for each position.

    It could be a monetary bid or if they don’t have the cash they could offer to work for a certain number of weeks or months for absolutely nothing and just live off the tips.

    We could apply this right across the hospitality industry or anywhere where tips are common.

    I’m sure it would garner widespread support

  168. Meta permalink
    May 2, 2014 10:21 am

    (Who pays for the uniform, though?)

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2014 10:41 am

    I’m sure it would garner widespread support

    I’ve noticed a fair bit of “jocularity” over the Hit List from some quarters in our community … it ain’t a funny subject … in fact I’m aware of a number of people who quite worried and in one unhappy case the stress is affecting her health … to frighten people like this is cruel … not funny …

    Depends on the circles you move in I guess …

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2014 10:47 am

    How prophetic was Paul on the Live Export thread?

    paul permalink

    November 4, 2013 4:26 pm

    How will we know if the ministers are going to perform or not perform, the government will not tell us, we will be left in the dark, taken back to the dark ages under this government.

  171. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 10:49 am

    ‘it ain’t a funny subject …’

    Its not going to happen, that’s the irony. Why stress over speculation.

  172. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:00 am

    this is the biggest right wing pendulum swing I’ve seen in my lifetime … “

    I am not sure what is right wing about wanting a surplus budget.

    Every time Labor gets in they trash the budget. Over at Cafe Lunatic asylum they say debt does not matter because we are sovereign in our own currency. So we can spend away.

    We are already paying $12B/year in interest on the debt that Labor and its supporters produced in the last 6 years. That would fund a large govt program.

    Other than abuse do you have any solutions or like most ALP supporters you think debt does not matter??

  173. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:08 am

    “I am not sure what is right wing about wanting a surplus budget.”

    That has certainly never been a concern for any Labor government. They always leave the country more in debt than when they took office.

  174. Sir Walrus of Sunny Palm Beach permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:20 am

    “”Over at Cafe Lunatic asylum they say debt does not matter because we are sovereign in our own currency. So we can spend away.”

    They are just total economic illiterates. If you want to print some more then go ahead. But you’ll only devalue what’s already out there .

    Pity the Audit Report was not around 10 years ago. It would have resulted in at least 1 useless lazy c**t of a Canbera public servant being tossed out of his position. One that is now a consistently apologising blogger.

    Just goes to show the type of low life scum that the APS has employed over the years and the urgent need to clean such scum out of the APS.

  175. May 2, 2014 11:20 am

    meta @ 07:41
    😆

    I am not sure what is right wing about wanting a surplus budget.

    We all knew there would be a surplus, labor would have got there too, but taken longer and not caused people to suffer. The libs relish the suffering and the throat cutting, it is their ideology.

    The libs rush in with massive austerity because they have to get a surplus in their first term. Reason being, no-one would vote them in for a second term unless they bribed their way back to power through middle class welfare, pork-barrelling and corporate largesse, plus the usual doses of asylum seeker fearmongering and minority bashing. They need a surplus for lots of bribes, they are a mean and ugly lot.

    You talk of labor dishonesty sb, well i think the libs have professionalised their rorting and corruption, it is all backroom, ‘boys club’ stuff that affects the highest levels of the party. Labor might be very bad at it and caught out, but the libs have it hidden away in so many fronts and disguised entities that elliot ness and his men would be needed to dig out the rotten stench of corporate and coalition collusion, corruption and dirty tricks.

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:27 am

    Its not going to happen, that’s the irony. Why stress over speculation.

    That’s the game, make all the oldies cry and worry, create community panic and then say “look, we’re the good guys, we could have done all that bad shit to you but we decided against it, aren’t we decent’

    bloody fear, smear and persecution, that’s all they know and have as a party.

  177. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:32 am

    And…why do big business reps do the commision of audit for a government unless you want a predetermined outcome. They are always going to act in their own interests. it’s such a travesty.

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:35 am

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:38 am

  180. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:44 am

    ‘That’s the game, make all the oldies cry and worry’

    I feel no sympathy for them.

  181. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:47 am

    apologies for the tweet bombing, I am finding it quite amusing today

  182. Meta permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:53 am

    (Maybe George Brandis could phone Central Coast Mike, again, to not discuss how he can get in contact with the Police Commish to pursue any outstanding matters relating to misuses of funds or positions for electoral purposes at or around the seat of Dobell?)

  183. May 2, 2014 12:17 pm

    Hmm….. wonder if the commision of audit audacity ideology will be sued by the IPA for plagiarism or did they have a memorandum of understanding?

    Observation;

    Recommendation 39: Vocational education and training

    ” Abolishing all Commonwealth vocational education and training programmes including the National Workforce Development Fund and Commonwealth support for apprentices; and
    requiring the States to continue reforms to achieve demand-driven vocational education and training outcomes and improve occupational licensing arrangements”

    COMMISSION OF AUDACITY…39 (Cuts to Apprenticeship training)
    You may like to pay special attention to the paragraph marked Recommendation 39: Vocational education and training “b” underlined in red recommending cutting Apprenticeship Assistance programs. What sort of Emergency requires the abolition of skilled youth training in one breath (See Recommendation 27: Unemployment benefits) whilst forcing kids in the bush where there is no employment to move after removing incentives for local business to train them?

    Just reminding you fine folk that voted Liberal of the fine print in the “SURPRISES” that we were not gonna get in the “Budget Emergency” that every credible economist in this country and beyond considers, just a big fat lie.

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 12:19 pm

    “apologies for the tweet bombing, I am finding it quite amusing today”

    Keep it up! I’m too old to work out twitter.

  185. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 12:43 pm

    ‘…demand-driven vocational education and training outcomes and improve occupational licensing arrangements”

    User pays and demand driven is better than trying to educate young people who have no interest in learning, having been sent to TAFE by Centrelink to get them off the dole.

  186. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 12:45 pm

    And being a free enterprise sort of guy I see ‘licensing arrangement’ as a small business opportunity.

  187. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 12:57 pm

    Gallacher to resign!

    Die scum.

  188. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 1:00 pm

    Nah. He tricked us – just standing aside.

  189. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 1:02 pm

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 1:14 pm

  191. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 2, 2014 1:16 pm

    It’s hilarious! They’re all crooks.

  192. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 1:17 pm

  193. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 1:18 pm

  194. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 1:24 pm

    The Commission of Magical Thinking:
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/the-commission-of-magical-thinking.html

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 2, 2014 1:42 pm

  196. May 2, 2014 2:08 pm

    User pays and demand driven is better than trying to educate young people who have no interest in learning, having been sent to TAFE by Centrelink to get them off the dole.

    “Demand driven vocational training”? So if everyone at a plumbing convention dies of food poisoning, do HSC students have to study 3 unit plumbing?

    And being a free enterprise sort of guy I see ‘licensing arrangement’ as a small business opportunity.

    Maybe your calling is delusional sarcasm Egg 🙂

    they’re all crooks

    And liars, A point lost on most sanctimonious teabags and above poor Kneely’s “liebralnomics” head

    “apologies for the tweet bombing, I am finding it quite amusing today”

    Enjoying 🙂

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:03 pm

    RE: Abbott typo, KL

    Was it really a typo, I wonder?

  198. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:13 pm

    Normal trades will remain in demand, with fine arts taking the brunt of closures. This is not necessarily a bad thing because it encourages free enterprise.

  199. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:18 pm

    “Was it really a typo, I wonder?”

    Doesn’t take long does it. The lefties are back demonising people they disagree with. It is always the first thing they do.

    Only people who believe they are morally superior to anyone else would do such a thing.

  200. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:22 pm

    Hockey ‘thinks that wind farms are “utterly offensive” and a “blight” visually – I wonder what he thinks of open cut mines?’

    The latter is productive, while the former is a useless blight.

  201. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:24 pm

    I feel no sympathy for them.

    And it shows every day in your posts on these subjects … perhaps I should feel the same way about you, egg …

    … maybe I could request that your Co2 Shed be dismantled and any discourse on the environment by you be a banning offence …

    I mean far from banning being something I normally support – there are special circumstances …

    I may still even have a little influence with the Blogmeaster …

    I certainly have no sympathy for your environmental prattling and attempts to divert discussions by “dropping” news inserts here, there and everywhere … but I have tolerated you for some time …

    … perhaps just a couple of months away, while you reconsider the plight of a couple in their 70’s and 80’s who literally survive on $33, 000 a year! And then they are told they “might” lose some of their pension because they bought a house 30 years ago in the wilderness and it is now surrounded by a yuppie town house estate! Or they “might” have to pay to see a doctor, or their grandchildren “may” not be able to afford to study … or “might” be forced to move away from where they live to work …

    Finally your statement above disgusts me … no wonder you support Abbott and Hockey’s fairytale of fear and deprivation without conscience … compassion, or thought …

  202. May 2, 2014 4:27 pm

    Doesn’t take long does it. The lefties are back demonising people they disagree with. It is always the first thing they do.
    Only people who believe they are morally superior to anyone else would do such a thing.

    Kneely the Fiberal party and their legion of new moral right and righteous sodomising jesus junkies redefine sanctimonious…..your Hypocrisy is showing over your petticoat sweetheart and besides your empty handbag don’t match your shoes 🙄

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:27 pm

    And Kneel, you are simply a parrot with brain to match …

  204. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:27 pm

    What swort of people think they are “superior” enough to behave like the NSW Liberal arse-clowns?

    Looks to me like a culture of scamming the system is deeply embedded by the racketeers who have taken over the party for their own gain. I suspect the amounts of donations being spoken of are trivial to what found its way into the pockets of the lobbyistas who control the party executive.

  205. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:30 pm

    At least the Libs have the decency to resign, unlike Thommo and the Labor crooks.

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:30 pm

    Mmmmm … Joe Hypocrisy, sounds about right too …

    “There isn’t a crisis,” said Raja Junankar, an honorary professor at the Australian School of Business at UNSW.

    “If you compare Australia to other OECD countries, we’re doing fantastically well.”

    He said while the government is painting a picture of “ballooning government debt and an impending crash, this is patently not the case.”

    His latest paper, Australia: The Miracle Economy said the country has done “spectacularly well” in recent years compared to other OECD nations in a range of measures from GDP to debt ratios and unemployment.

    “The government has come out screaming about debt. Everyone has debt, all major corporations, all major households have debt, as long as unemployment remains relatively low we’re OK, we’re not in for a crisis.” …

    …. CommSec chief economist Craig James agrees there’s no doubt the Australian economy is faring well.

    “Any Reserve Bank minutes show it becomes very clear the Australian economy is in good shape. We’ve continued to grow, we seem to be managing a once in a generation spike in commodity prices,” he said.

    The country has also managed to pull off a “remarkable transition” from mining to construction without a massive boom and bust. Unemployment is also relatively low, inflation is under control and the level of budget deficit is low compared to other nations.

    Instead, Mr James believes the government is trying to “steel the nation” for medium-term challenges without wanting to acknowledge it’s not all doom and gloom…

    …AMP Capital economist Shane Oliver said Australia is nowhere near the emergency status seen in other economies.

    “I don’t believe the debt is at a level that it poses a risk to Australia. It’s a million miles away from Greece, Italy, Spain, if we think we’ve got problems we’re kidding ourselves.”

    He said reducing the deficit is prudent, but warned using harsh measures to do so could do more harm than good.

    “I don’t think we have a short-term emergency that justifies tax hikes,” he said.

    “If you start jacking people’s tax rates up they cut back spending. The last thing you want people to cut back spending because we need consumer spending to pick up from the rapidly receding mining investment boom. If you slug people with tax hikes it could actually weaken the economy which means the budget deficit could actually end up looking a lot worse.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/commission-of-audit-report-paints-bleak-picture-of-the-australian-economy/story-fn84fgcm-1226903266307

  207. May 2, 2014 4:32 pm

    Normal trades will remain in demand, with fine arts taking the brunt of closures. This is not necessarily a bad thing because it encourages free enterprise

    Congratulations Egg, that is contending with Kneel for the stupidest quote of the day. You seem to wearing out the delusionary term “Free Enterprise” take your script meds FFS

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:33 pm

    At least the Libs have the decency to resign, unlike Thommo and the Labor crooks.

    sb, how many have actually resigned from government and the Liberal Party? Apart from BoF … I have enough trouble keeping abreast of Sir Noddy’s gaffes and follow NSW shenanigans “loosely” to say the least …

  209. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:37 pm

    CommSec chief economist Craig James agrees there’s no doubt the Australian economy is faring well.”

    The economy was doing better in 2007.

    It did not stop Swan trying to scare the tripe out of people saying that Costello had let inflation get out of control.

    But i do think there is a budget emergency. We need to get debt under control now or it is curtains.

  210. May 2, 2014 4:39 pm

    And Kneel, you are simply a parrot with brain to match …

    🙂

    What swort of people think they are “superior” enough to behave like the NSW Liberal arse-clowns? …

    Exactly Splat… fuckwitism is rife in politics period….Just people like kneel believe all they are told if you throw em a few crumbs and hey know no better. Wonder how long befor Morrisons name hits the table, he;s in the middle of this as he was the chief donation snouter…. Watch this space…

  211. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 4:40 pm

    Gallacher did.

    On the economy the Libs are trying to reduce the deficit which seems like the right thing to do. Especially after Costello was hammered for not doing enough to plan for the future even though he had a surplus.

    I don’t think comparison with other economies is all that relevant. The real question is how do we sensibly plan for the future, knowing the demographic projections?

  212. May 2, 2014 4:54 pm

    ”””Finally your statement above disgusts””normal-people

    The panty wetting of glee from `our` teabags fascists has managed to hit a new low see. l just hope `they` get a taste of Mr-Rabbits `austerity` for the sake of austerity ideology, and it effects `them` in a permanent fashion for the rest of their lives.

    #Total.fcuking.imbeciles.cheering.for.poverty

  213. May 2, 2014 5:00 pm

    ”””””””how many have actually resigned from government and the (#nsw)Liberal Party? Apart from BoF””””””’

    TB, no others as far as l`ve seen, from #nsw-teabags, just #Bof-LIAR

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2014 5:04 pm

    Gallacher did.

    Did what? resign? ?? I thought he just resigned from his ministry?

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2014 5:05 pm

    ” Especially after Costello was hammered for not doing enough to plan for the future even though he had a surplus.

    But without surplus budgets we would never have got back our AAA credit rating which we lost under Hawke/Keating. This rating means the govt can borrow money at the lowest interest rate.

    Basically love is blind but hatred is even blinder. Doesn’t matter what Costello did the ALP would condemn him. Some say he taxed too much and others say he taxed too little.

    One thing they say is that Howard did not spend on infrastructure. This is not true

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2005-06/ministerial/html/dotars-19.htm

    Australian Government investment in rail and road infrastructure in 2005-06 is $2.2 billion — a figure that will grow even higher in future years as the Australian Government continues to implement AusLink, the National Transport Plan. AusLink has radically transformed how Australia plans and implements the rollout of essential transport infrastructure, directly linking rail and road improvements with industry needs and growth.”

    Apparently AUSLINK was unique.

  216. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 5:05 pm

    Gallacher Ficarra and hartcher are now on the cross benches. Gillard had full confidence in Thomson for a year after his fraud was exposed.

  217. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 5:11 pm

    Anyway, now is not the time for “look over there”. The real issue is to see how ingrained the crooks and chancers are in the Liberal party structure.

    I’d say the executive is rotten to the core, riddled with rancid money-grubbing lobbyists. There seems to be a lot of young wet-behind-the-ears types too, probably to dumb to work in an investment bank but filled with greed and ambition nonetheless. They seem to have no concept that the law might apply to them as well as ordinary citizens.

    I wonder if there are any decent people left who can pick up the pieces?

  218. May 2, 2014 5:23 pm

    Non-teabags will probably enjoy this, #teabags, not so much.

    ”””””””””””””’The Government appointed “Commission of Audit” has brought down 5 Kg of reports today.

    Somehow it does not fill me with any confidence. It looks so like another step in the Americanisation of Australia. I see the Right-Wing Tea Party of Senator Bernardi being transferred to my country. I see the 100 point IPA plan restated.

    The term “Co-Payment” is straight out of the USA. I have been in touch with Americans for the past two decades vis the internet. They are continuously talking about “Co-Payments’ whenever they talk health care. This is a page from the Book of Republican Ideals. This is just the start of demolishing universal healthcare. Selling MediBank is another signal of the same.
    http://archiearchive.wordpress.com/2014/05/01/commission-of-avarice/
    ”””””””””””””””””””””

  219. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2014 5:23 pm

    I just visited Bolt and found a comment i like

    The left are hyperventilating all over the media, so what is new about that, however the furore over the budget just shows that Rudd and Gillard took the easy way , just borrow more money , spend it on feel good ideas , keep the masses happy ,put off the inevitable until tomorrow, and many people do exactly that!, just stick it on the card!, that is just what labour did and not just in the federal , area but the states as well, but the lender must be repaid, its better to repay a debt while it is of a manageable size rather than let the debt balloon to unpayable amounts such as the USA and Greece are finding out , remember the old saying , “”when you owe the bank a thousand its your problem, if you owe the bank a million (or $500 billion)its the banks problem, we don’t want the world bank dictating our economy.
    Peter . Adelaide”

    Amen to that

  220. May 2, 2014 5:26 pm

    But without surplus budgets we would never have got back our AAA credit rating

    Your ignorance is astounding 🙄

    Anyway, now is not the time for “look over there”. The real issue is to see how ingrained the crooks and chancers are in the Liberal party structure.
    I’d say the executive is rotten to the core, riddled with rancid money-grubbing lobbyists. There seems to be a lot of young wet-behind-the-ears types too, probably to dumb to work in an investment bank but filled with greed and ambition nonetheless. They seem to have no concept that the law might apply to them as well as ordinary citizens.
    I wonder if there are any decent people left who can pick up the pieces?

    Morrison…Was right in the middle of this shit as state director of the NSW Liberal Party, he has dirty hands and is far from a cleanskin. The Christian right is running the NSW Libs. Splatter few decent person goes into parliament and if they do the are soon sullied by the mire.

  221. May 2, 2014 5:48 pm

    the easily impressed are still enjoying bolt squirting l see

  222. May 2, 2014 5:51 pm

    recently the teabags seem to have gone quiet on the free-hate-speech front too #bolt-brandis

  223. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 6:09 pm

    ‘….perhaps I should feel the same way about you, egg …’

    Feel free, I’m self sufficient, Hockey can do me no harm.

  224. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 6:11 pm

    “Morrison…Was right in the middle of this shit as state director of the NSW Liberal Party, he has dirty hands and is far from a cleanskin.”

    I have to admit that I was surprised by all of this. I thought TB’s rantings about Robber Barons was just so much BS. I was very wrong. Nothing would surprise me now.

  225. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 6:12 pm

    ‘… maybe I could request that your Co2 Shed be dismantled and any discourse on the environment by you be a banning offence …’

    As I’m working pro bono at Trash, I couldn’t give a flying fuck.

  226. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 6:18 pm

    ‘Finally your statement above disgusts me … ‘

    The pensioners at the bottom of the pile will not be disadvantaged by Hockey or Abbott, they still vote.

  227. May 2, 2014 6:45 pm

    “Anyway, now is not the time for “look over there”. The real issue is to see how ingrained the crooks and chancers are in the Liberal party structure.”

    Fucken Oath.

  228. May 2, 2014 6:46 pm

    The scab is only just being peeled back…sooooo much pus & assorted discharge to come!

  229. May 2, 2014 6:47 pm

    I have to admit that I was surprised by all of this.

    I have moles in both camps… and they are as bad as one another. A good friend worked for the fiberals… nothing surprises me , the only thing that does is that this shit has not come out sooner
    Kneel quoting Bold… seriously Kneel? who cares what the tnoc says..he’s a stuge haven’t you worked that out polly or are you too stupid?

  230. May 2, 2014 6:49 pm

    Hopefully it puts a bit more pressure on the crooked cunts running the show (on both sides, obviously) to fear the gaze of public scrutiny & clean up their acts accordingly.

    This is why I love the idea of wikileaks & snowdenisms.

    The fuckers on the throne think they have a free hand…as long as the general population doesn’t have a sniff of what they’re actually up to in our names.

  231. May 2, 2014 6:50 pm

    Neil…still a monocular arseclown in the face of overwhelming evidence that corruption, mismanagement & political opportunism is NOT a polemic phenomena.

  232. May 2, 2014 7:06 pm

    ”””Feel free, I’m self sufficient,”””#pigs-arse

    the term is `self delusional`

  233. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 7:18 pm

    ‘the term is `self delusional`

    I live the life of a third worlder in a first world country, with all the benefits of a safety net.

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    May 2, 2014 7:33 pm

    Anyway, now is not the time for “look over there”.

    actually it wasn’t intended as a “look over there” … it was a genuine question …

    I wonder if there are any decent people left who can pick up the pieces?

    Now you know how EX ALP supporters feel … and its pretty awful ain’t it?

    Nowhere to turn …

    I thought TB’s rantings about Robber Barons was just so much BS. I was very wrong.

    I take that as written, sb, thank you, sir. I like it when we agree …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Feel free, I’m self sufficient, Hockey can do me no harm.

    Nor me, you fkn ignoramous, my concern is for people less well of than me!

    with all the benefits of a safety net.

    Translation: Me Mum and Dad are millionaires …

  235. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2014 8:04 pm

    “Your ignorance is astounding”

    Why?? If you lose your credit rating how else can you get it back other than paying off debt??

    By the way here is a Table showing our rating over the years

    We lost our AAA under Hawke/Keating in 1986. And it was downgraded several more times in 1989.

    It took 6 surplus budget by Costello to get our AAA back in 2003. And you only need S&P’s and Moody’s to agree to get a AAA.

    I notice that Fitch gave us AAA in Nov 2011. But it made no difference . We already have it. But did not Swan milk it for propaganda purposes.

  236. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 8:13 pm

    ‘Translation: Me Mum and Dad are millionaires …’

    Joker, Centrelink.

    ‘Nor me, you fkn ignoramous, my concern is for people less well of than me!’

    Oh right.

  237. May 2, 2014 8:26 pm

    Dole office huh dumpty, you`re the only chicken l know, demanding to be first on the chopping block. #teabags

  238. May 2, 2014 8:26 pm

    Con Mission of Audacity
    This Pretty much sums up the whole exercise.. “A thought bubble” of ideology

  239. May 2, 2014 8:31 pm

    Operation Sovereign borders…
    A secretive, international embarrassment….. Wabbit on the backpeddle
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-02/abbott-cancels-bali-trip-after-on-water-incident/5427384

  240. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2014 8:41 pm

    “A secretive, international embarrassment

    The only embarrassment is watching economic immigrants with mobile phones, computers and $10,000 taking places of the refugees we used to take from UNHCR camps.

    Let us hope Scott Morrison gets us back to what we used to do under John Howard.

  241. egg permalink
    May 2, 2014 8:47 pm

    ‘Hey Joe.. We find you offensive too…wanker…’

    Interesting article but can’t comment, the thought police are ever vigilant.

  242. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 2, 2014 8:56 pm

    “I take that as written”

    It was intended as written, TB. (But there is plenty else to disagree about. -:) )

    The real payoff is when you actually learn something as I did with this episode. I thought there may have been a couple of crooks in the mix, but it is much, much worse than that.

  243. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2014 9:03 pm

    “The real payoff is when you actually learn something as I did with this episode. I thought there may have been a couple of crooks in the mix, but it is much, much worse than that.

    Please tell me something new. So both sides of politics have corrupt people. What a surprise.

    But just to play devils advocate how come none of this stuff came out when Boob Carr was in power??

    It starts to come out when the Liberals are now in power??

    Is the ICAC corrupt?? What we they doing during the long period of rule by Bob Carr??

  244. May 2, 2014 9:13 pm

    Splatter… I recon there is still a lot more to go across the board… So many dodgy property deals and mining approvals…. The CSG industry is full of cowboys.

    The dam has busted…..

    Kneel, you are the gift that just keeps giving, just when I thought you had hit 100% Stupid, you redefine yourself.. Please keep it up, you seem to know all about economic ratings, quote Dolt and can’t figure out why Abbott has cancelled his little Barli Jaunt… You are a complete fucking knob.

  245. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2014 9:19 pm

    Ricky

    Lots of abuse but no reason why.

    Don’t you think it a little strange that the ICAC now comes out with “stuff” but did nothing when the ALP was in power under Booob Carr??

  246. jack sprat permalink
    May 2, 2014 10:31 pm

    off with their heads…into the stocks with em……dohalition away

  247. May 2, 2014 11:05 pm

    Ricky
    Lots of abuse but no reason why.

    Kneel its not my place to educate you,like most football cheering political pygmies who are naive, gullible, shallow of understanding and narrow of vision… you just frame things to sit into your world view.

    The ICAC has to instigated by a process based on tabled complaints that are eventuality. That is it may have happened during Carrs time (he knew Obied was bent and famously threw an ashtray at him in his office when he informed him he would not be in his cabinet) but it was not proven to go to the ICAC until a complaint could be lodged some time later after uncovering evidence after investigation.

    Kneel obstinate thinking that leads to nowhere but ignorant denial. If you want to believe that the ICAC is corrupt then knock yourself out, If you want to believe that only counties with a surplus get AAA credit ratings, knock yourself out, if you want to believe Dolt ;again knock yourself out… Dont you feel a bit punch drunk?

    Maybe if you let go of that nose led indoctrinated thinking you may learn a few things other than trying to argue a point armed with nothing more than 2nd hand propaganda and opinion…. If you are interested in Economics and the GFC,, here is a good place to start

    Most people like myself, TB, Reb and Splatter no matter what out political persuasion are appalled by corrupt politicians. I welcomed the ICAC as I have been fighting this for years in the ALP. I expect others in political parties to do the same. Don’t blame the process blame the guilty.

  248. Sir Walrus Ruler of the Rural Mobs permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:34 pm

    I love ICAC

    It’s great seeing all this shit come out from both sides. Dog only knows where it might end and who cares.

    It gets a bit of government cleaned up. Give it more funding. Imagine what goes on in Local Government and they don’t have the cash to go after it.

    It’s horrifying what similar shit is going on in other states. But NSW seems the only one with some teeth,

    Imagine a Federal ICAC

    First stop the Defence Department I’d say

  249. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 2, 2014 11:47 pm

    OK Walrus.

    But why now??

    Why not when Bob Carr was in power?? Maybe if the ICAC did something then a lot of corruption may have been stopped.

    It makes it look like the ICAC plays sides.

    How come Bob Carr is not touched when he was Premier when what they are investigating went on??

  250. public toilet permalink
    May 3, 2014 12:05 am

    Neil seems to believe that ICAC is a mere tool of dastardly ALP supporters!

    Funniest shit I’ve ever read.

  251. public toilet permalink
    May 3, 2014 12:07 am

    Political lobbyists should be flushed out & fumigated to extinction.

  252. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 3, 2014 12:12 am

    The really strange thing about this ICAC inquiry is that it is an investigation into corrupt ALP politicians.

    But so far Liberal Party politicians have been falling like nine pins and the ALP has not been touched.

  253. May 3, 2014 12:18 am

    It gets a bit of government cleaned up. Give it more funding. Imagine what goes on in Local Government and they don’t have the cash to go after it.
    It’s horrifying what similar shit is going on in other states. But NSW seems the only one with some teeth,
    Imagine a Federal ICAC

    Me too….Well a lot of stuff in local government has come from the ICAC… The mind boggles, s that is a real sewer. I know from experience its rife. My close friend was deputy Mayor and beyond reproach and the stories would make your hair stand on end… Federal ICAC…fuck wouldn’t that be awesome Walrus, bring ya popcorn 🙂

    It makes it look like the ICAC plays sides.
    How come Bob Carr is not touched when he was Premier when what they are investigating went on??

    Only from your ” labor , leftist bad” John howard liberal good perspective, you want a one sided baddie list… There is due process and you are assuming that Bob Carr has something to answer to. Carr, is many things but he is not bent. He has many enemies and allies in the party and if there was anything there it would be out. Many have tried and failed as like Wran he has a deep conviction about that shit. Your assumption is ludicrous, why didn’t they do things earlier? We could have prevented it… Why is Carr not implicated when it has taken out Offarell and a string of people? Join the dots.

  254. May 3, 2014 12:23 am

    The really strange thing about this ICAC inquiry is that it is an investigation into corrupt ALP politicians.
    But so far Liberal Party politicians have been falling like nine pins and the ALP has not been touched.

    The ALP have not been Touched? Are you asleep fuckwit? Do you even understand what the ICAC does? Maybe you should quite while you are ahead.

  255. May 3, 2014 12:34 am

    Thanks ricky, for putting up that video of richard di natale questioning the commission of audit.
    It is obvious there’s nothing but ideology behind the co-payments. “people don’t value it if it’s free”, but they always forget that it’s not free when you are paying for it through your taxes. They just want to shift government expenditure onto individuals. I am angered by anyone who bleats that if people can afford to, they should pay more to see the doctor. They forget that not many bulk bill anymore and also that australians have always valued their universal health care system and want it retained [not that it anywhere near resembles the original version after liberal party policies have wrecked it over the years]. It doesn’t matter whether people can afford to go private or not, if someone chooses to use medicare because they believe in a universal health care system, they should be able to use it. It’s not for a bunch of snotnoses to demand they go private, it should be a choice, made without a penalty, and imo, it is the private health system that should not be taxpayer subsidised.

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 1:10 am

    “But why now??…”
    “…It makes it look like the ICAC plays sides….”
    “…How come Bob Carr is not touched when he was Premier when what they are investigating went on??…”

    is that you gerard? anne says stop whining and drink your tea before it gets cold.

  257. Sir Walrus Ruler of the Rural Mobs permalink
    May 3, 2014 2:05 am

    Neil are you serious ?

    Eddie, Eric.,Joe, Ian. Why care about scalps ?

    What the hell does it matter

    If you are corrupt then WE want to know about it

    It doesn’t matter what side it is

    Ultimately it’s US that corruption affects

  258. Sir Walrus Ruler of the Rural Mobs permalink
    May 3, 2014 2:11 am

    If Mike Baird premier is implicated then so be it,

    If a govt falls big deal

    Don’t forget the current leader of the opp was offered a massive bribe by a guy who was later murdered

    So Neil don’t worry the circus will return to your neighbourhood soon

  259. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 3, 2014 6:08 am

    “If you are corrupt then WE want to know about it

    I agree with that. At least the Libs stand down when the accusation is made.

    But do we have any honest politicians in NSW???

  260. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 7:26 am

    ‘It’s great seeing all this shit come out from both sides. Dog only knows where it might end and who cares.’

    I think I can speak for the rest of the population, on both sides of the fence, we are very happy.

  261. May 3, 2014 7:46 am

    “If you are corrupt then WE want to know about it”
    I agree with that. At least the Libs stand down when the accusation is made.
    But do we have any honest politicians in NSW???

    You really are obstinately and intolerably stupid, you just cant help yourself even when Walrus, myself and most everyone in this thread are in unanimous bipartisan agreement. “any persuasion of corrupt polly should be named shamed and castigated without fear or favor..our democracy depends upon it. But no, off you go with your Nose ring led Adolteration digging your stupendous stupidity into a deeper hole of embarrassing tendentious and pertinacious one sided fact deficit parroting. 🙄

  262. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 7:54 am

    ‘It’s not for a bunch of snotnoses to demand they go private, it should be a choice, made without a penalty’

    Yes, yes, that was last century, but we can no longer afford it. The baby boomer bubble, overweight through excessive imbibing of food and drink, should contribute a few dollars towards their own survival.

    For those amongst us who have been boringly moderate, remain in good health and not reliant on pharmaceuticals to keep them alive, a visit to the doctor is a rarity and well worth five dollars.

  263. May 3, 2014 8:01 am

    Thanks ricky, for putting up that video of richard di natale questioning the commission of audit. Pretty much defines how farcical the whole Con job is and its priceless that Richard Di Natale happens to be an MD. I thinks that this very commission will define Abbott’s Prime Ministership. Abbott is and always has been a nasty ideologue steeped in hatred and vindictive religious moralising with a born to rule, narrow world view. He is incapable of ruling for the majority, lacks vision and is unworthy of the office.

  264. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 8:20 am

    ‘I mean far from banning being something I normally support – there are special circumstances …’

    Scaper was banned because he upset toilet with personal goading, but since that time a lot has been said at Trash which makes that pale into insignificance.

    Inane got the boot simply because he was intolerable.

    In my case, with the biggest story of the modern era stuck under my belt, this is not the right time to give me the sack…. this being the tipping point year.

    Your ideological blinkers prevent you from seeing reality, this is unfortunate and defies logic because you are otherwise a reasonably intelligent sort of chap.

  265. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 8:25 am

    ‘He is incapable of ruling for the majority, lacks vision and is unworthy of the office.’

    Unlike jools who was greatly loved by everyone because of her vision.

    Abbott has a vision of bullet trains, satellite cities and half the population being Chinese before 2050.

  266. May 3, 2014 8:54 am

    “Scaper was banned because he upset toilet with personal goading,”

    Erm, no. Not even close.

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2014 9:38 am

    Your ideological blinkers prevent you from seeing reality

    I have none … if you are referring to the environmental “issue” … I have always declared an agnostic mindset …

    … as for the Rockshifter … you obviously don’t know why he was banned or that I contacted the AFP because of him …

  268. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 9:52 am

    ‘I have always declared an agnostic mindset …’

    Pity, the null hypothesis is quite clear.

    ‘I contacted the AFP because of him …’

    Which may explain why he was so nervous when I recently started up a casual conversation with him.

  269. May 3, 2014 10:06 am

    “Scaper was banned because he upset toilet with personal goading”

    Err, wrong.

  270. May 3, 2014 10:08 am

    “Which may explain why he was so nervous”

    Scaper? Nervous?

    Oh how we laughed and laughed…..

  271. May 3, 2014 10:16 am

    Scaper was banned because he upset toilet with personal goading, but since that time a lot has been said at Trash which makes that pale into insignificance.

    oh, the ignorance! 😆

    In my case, with the biggest story of the modern era stuck under my belt, this is not the right time to give me the sack…. this being the tipping point year.

    oh, the self delusion 🙄

  272. May 3, 2014 10:24 am

    Egg you really are “unscientific” in regard to your hasty appraisals of the real. As for basing one’s belief doctrine purely upon others agenda of ideology and not critical thinking….

  273. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 10:28 am

    But do we have any honest politicians in NSW???

    Probably not, it’s the culture. Notice there was one honest woman at ICAC who suffered politically, because she wasn’t as dishonest as the rest.

    It’s how aussies do ‘business’, home and away. The corruption is embedded throughout our institutions.

    They focus purely on how much money they can bring in, nothing else matters. Abbott has always been one who brought in lots of money, I bet there are more skeletons than his hanson slush fund in his past too. I think both sides are simply corrupt and corrupted. We need a big shake-up of the political system in this country. We should sack them all and start again fresh.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/all-about-that.html

  274. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 10:32 am

    ‘oh, the self delusion’

    Maybe.

  275. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 10:40 am

    ‘TOUGH new “learn or earn” rules that will deprive all people younger than 25 from receiving the general unemployment payment and push them onto the lower-paying Youth Allowance are set to be unveiled in the federal budget.’

    Karvelas / Oz

  276. May 3, 2014 10:42 am

    ”””””’referring to the environmental “issue” … I have always declared an agnostic mindset”””””””’

    yep, taking the `agnostic` route is fine explainer for the cranks, but you let yourself down with your own `education/quals` bleating, and have just proven my arguments on `education/quals` industry churn

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    May 3, 2014 10:45 am

    Vive la Revolucion! I can hear them squeaky tumbrils and the fall of the blade and the heavy thump as another one bites the basket!

    It’s how aussies do ‘business’, home and away. The corruption is embedded throughout our institutions.

    Its wider than that, KL, its all across the world … I haven’t seen an effective pollie since … Clinton in the US … Keating/Hawke here …Harold Wilson in the UK …

    Corruption and greed is everywhere you turn … from unions to regulators …

  278. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 10:50 am

    Yes, yes, that was last century, but we can no longer afford it. The baby boomer bubble, overweight through excessive imbibing of food and drink, should contribute a few dollars towards their own survival.

    I can’t believe the complete selfishness shown in all of your comments. You live in a world where black = white and white = black, according to your prejudices.

    Don’t spare a single thought to those people and families who have illness thrust upon them from accidents or birth. People who inherit conditions that cause chronic health problems. they manage to work and contribute, but they need to go to the dr a lot more than those in rude health. Why do they have to be paupers, working just to pay medical bills, through the bad luck of having been born.

    Medicare was brought in to prevent the continued jailings of desperate people [mostly fathers] who couldn’t pay the family medical bills. I will gladly support through taxes [and my own labour], universal health care until the day I die.

    If taxpayer money was put into preventative health programs instead of band-aid patch ups that rely on pharmaceutical treatment of an already existing condition [all you get from the GP], our national health would be much better – but well people don’t bring in the $ to dr’s or the drug industry, do they?

  279. May 3, 2014 10:53 am

    It’s how aussies do ‘business’, home and away. The corruption is embedded throughout our institutions.

    There are some good guys and girls in Parliament but mores the cas they are castigated by the corrupt as they remind those of questionable morality that they are in fact fuckwits.
    Much like Professor Mayne cutting though Dolts diatribe like a hot knife through butter only to be ridiculed in droneful predictable personal castigation by those of intellectual inferiority.

    ‘oh, the self delusion’
    Maybe.

    You know its Ok to change your mind Egg, thats what intelligent people do. The courageous accept the challenge of whatever is at odds with their estimation and deal with it. The stupid drown in the mire of inflexible deluded arrogance. 🙂

  280. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 10:56 am

    ‘Its wider than that, KL, its all across the world …’

    ‘China is the global leader for the number of corrupt officials who are sentenced to death, and actually executed each year. But, judging by the seemingly endless “public demand” for this kind of punishment and the surging popular anger, it would seem that there is actually not enough of it. While so many people are “beheaded,” executives at all levels are still determined to brave death by trying to make the most of corruption.’

    Time

  281. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 10:59 am

    Its wider than that, KL, its all across the world …Corruption and greed is everywhere you turn … from unions to regulators …

    capitalism, the insatiable market force that drives the greed and corruption, until it eventually devours itself, then the 99% are forced to fund it so the demon can eat again.

  282. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 11:00 am

    ‘You know its Ok to change your mind Egg, thats what intelligent people do.’

    There is a risk that l’ll have egg on my face by Xmas.

  283. May 3, 2014 11:00 am

    Its wider than that, KL, its all across the world … I haven’t seen an effective pollie since … Clinton in the US … Keating/Hawke here …Harold Wilson in the UK …
    Corruption and greed is everywhere you turn … from unions to regulators

    Here Hear TB 🙂 KL you saw the extent of the “Con Mission of Audacity” made ideological assumptions based upon a thought fart bubble. This corruption has to stop as does this pendulum swing to punish lunacy, its juvenile and does Australia a great injustice.

  284. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 11:06 am

    This idea that everyone must pay so that the common wealth trickles up to the few at the top of the dung heap simply disgusts me.

  285. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 3, 2014 11:09 am

    “ts wider than that, KL, its all across the world … I haven’t seen an effective pollie since … Clinton in the US … Keating/Hawke here …Harold Wilson in the UK …

    Hawke/Keating were a disaster. I don’t remember any good economic numbers during those years. Even Superannuation does not appear to be working. People are spending their lump sums and going on the pension.

    Clinton was successful however. He greatly reduce the budget deficit. In fact he was going to pay off most US govt debt until he was replaced by Bush.

  286. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 11:18 am

    Ah, Neil they are talking about corruption, Keating and Hawke were clean skins.

  287. May 3, 2014 11:18 am

    #blinkers ””’l have none””” #bullshit-TB

    we `all` do, you, me, reb, dunny, armchair and our teabags,

    due to the environment and `era` we developed in

    #but it is good to `try` and have none

  288. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 3, 2014 11:24 am

    “blinkers ””’l have none””” #bullshit-TB

    I think politics is like religion. You either a have a correct belief or an incorrect belief and facts are irrelevant.

    For anyone from both sides of politics to swap sides is a conversion experience that does not happen often.

    I am anti-labor because they always get us into debt. Most socialists think money grows on trees and the taxpayer is a bottom pit to take money from to fund their grand schemes.

  289. May 3, 2014 11:26 am

    #el revolucion won`t happen due to industrial weapons, corporate royalty won`t be losing their heads,

    #state/s largely teabag govt/s are clamping down hard on `motorcycle-crime-gangs` as we speak,

    #while federal teabags attack the population across the board,

    #more likely to go `mexican`, population siding `against` govt/s, just as much of south america thru to mexico has, and chunks of africa

  290. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 11:30 am

    I haven’t seen an effective pollie since … Clinton in the US … Keating/Hawke here …Harold Wilson in the UK …
    Corruption and greed is everywhere you turn … from unions to regulators

    That is because the modern pollie is focused on power and becoming part of it from their school days. They are churned through the elite schools and enter the political system with no life experience in anything other than seeking power and influence for it’s own sake. They are aligned with parties and groups that focus purely on gaining political power to rule society in their own image [hidden from public view of course].

    Even Superannuation does not appear to be working. People are spending their lump sums and going on the pension.

    You forgot to mention when you continually repeat the same mantra over and over, that they are buying houses using negative gearing, a rort that poorer taxpayers are forced to subsidise so that others can attain more wealth.

  291. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 11:38 am

    ‘#but it is good to `try` and have none’

    Think like a journalist of the old school, you have a bias but it never gets in the way of the truth.

  292. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 11:40 am

    I think politics is like religion. You either a have a correct belief or an incorrect belief and facts are irrelevant.

    huh?? 😯

    That is propaganda and faith based conviction, not politics and good government for all. Who decides whether beliefs are correct or incorrect? What about those who don’t agree with any of the ‘beliefs’ and want facts to be extremely relevant?

  293. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 3, 2014 11:45 am

    You want facts. Fact is unemployment was at 11% when Keating was PM and he went to an election with unemployment at 11% and won the election.

    Fact is he should have lost.

    Most people will not change the party they vote for and will find some reason not to do so.

  294. May 3, 2014 11:47 am

    ”””I think politics is like religion.”””

    for those that have surrendered their free thought, it is

    .

    ””’You either a have a correct belief or an incorrect belief and””

    no, they`re ALL incorrect

    .

    ”””facts are irrelevant.”””

    in so-called democracy, along with `truth`, fairness, equality,
    which of course makes so-called democracy irrelevant

    #thanks for ya`help kneel

  295. May 3, 2014 11:56 am

    ””’You want facts. Fact is unemployment was””’

    unemployment `numbers` are as skewed as your boltwetting, the `numbers` are not a true and real `count` out of the govt-database, but a calculation, based on fraudulent definitions

  296. May 3, 2014 12:00 pm

    #anybody bleating `unemployment_numbers` to prove some
    `one is better than the other` point, is a total fcuking imbecile in my book

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 12:03 pm

    ””’You either a have a correct belief or an incorrect belief and””
    .
    ”””facts are irrelevant.”””

    A look inside the totally closed mind of the conservative voter, why they manage to vote against their own best interests and why their politicians pitch to fear, ignorance and bigotry with three word slogans 😆

    hahaha ‘facts are irrelevant’, priceless!

  298. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 12:09 pm

    ‘fact is’ unemployment mantra is straight out of the abbott/hockey memo of the day. neil proves his own ‘facts are irrelevant’, belief system, over and over and over.

    best laugh, ever!

  299. May 3, 2014 12:13 pm

    I think politics is like religion. You either a have a correct belief or an incorrect belief and facts are irrelevant.

    Kneel you are are an ignoramus.. That statement alone show a great deal of intellectual deficiency..and a great deal stupider than I give you credit for. Keating and Hawke rebuilt the economy. They had the legislative will and political courage to do so. Left to the Fiberals our economy would be in the dark ages. But I guess you feel you have picked the right horse and are blinkered to such inconvenient facts. No wonder you like Dolt and alike… you are a one trick pony of magnanimous political ignorance.

    Ah, Neil they are talking about corruption, Keating and Hawke were clean skins.

    As is Carr who Knownuffin Neil implied was ….

  300. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 12:15 pm

    ‘best laugh, ever!’

    Neil is good value with The Howard Years, he’s a natural straight man who provides comics with many opportunities.

  301. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 12:34 pm

  302. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 12:41 pm

    ‘AVERAGE Australians face budget pain forcing them to work longer and cope with smaller pension rises while the nation’s MPs remain untouched.’

    Daily Terror (Hate Media Inc.)

  303. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 3, 2014 12:52 pm

    “As is Carr who Knownuffin Neil implied was “

    Well Carr was Premier when all this ICAC stuff was going on.

    Bjekle Peterson got the flack for his corrupt ministers. I don’t think Joh was ever found guilty on anything.

  304. May 3, 2014 1:10 pm

    1st-dog is good armchair, the tactical response `freedom-van` will probably take them all to an `off-shore-free-speech-gulag`

  305. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 1:31 pm

    A must read

    Liberal slush funds expose Hartcher and bitter factional wars:

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/05/03/liberal-slush-funds-expose-hartcher-and-bitter-factional-wars/1399039200#.U2RflPna6Sr

  306. May 3, 2014 1:42 pm

    Well Carr was Premier when all this ICAC stuff was going on.
    Bjekle Peterson got the flack for his corrupt ministers. I don’t think Joh was ever found guilty on anything.

    ROTFL.. Bjekle Peterson? … …He was in the middle of it… when Joe died they had to bury him around a tree he was so bent, he was also only electorally successful by way of the largest gerrymander in the world. Peterson resisted any form of accountability because like Askin he was most certainly corrupt and would have been hung in the current age just as thes fuckwits are….

    Your parallel is ridiculous, Carr is a supporter of the ICAC and such assertions is ludicrous… Thats like saying that the CEO of a company is responsible for an employee stealing company funds or The HSU is responsible for Thomson visiting a brothel on a company credit card.

    You should just quit while you are ahead Kneel, you are not doing yourself any favors 🙄

    “Bjelke-Petersen was called to the Fitzgerald corruption inquiry on 1 December 1988, where he said that despite allegations raised in the media and parliament, he had held no suspicion in the previous decade of corruption in Queensland. He said a Hong Kong businessman’s 1986 donation of $100,000 to an election slush fund—delivered in cash at the premier’s Brisbane office—was not unusual, and that he did not know the identify of other donors who had left sums of $50,000 and $60,000 in cash at his office on other occasions.”

    In 1991 Bjelke-Petersen faced criminal trial for perjury arising out of the evidence he had given to the Fitzgerald inquiry (an earlier proposed charge of corruption was incorporated into the perjury charge). Bjelke-Petersen’s former police Special Branch bodyguard Sergeant Bob Carter told the court that in 1986 he had twice been given packages of cash totalling $210,000 at the premier’s office. He was told to take them to a Brisbane city law firm and then watch as the money was deposited in a company bank account.[citation needed] The money had been given over by developer Sng Swee Lee, and the bank account was in the name of Kaldeal, operated by Sir Edward Lyons a trustee of the National Party.[

  307. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 1:50 pm

    ‘A must read’

    It was riveting, Seccombe did well putting the whole thing together.

  308. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 2:03 pm

    I don’t think Joh was ever found guilty on anything.

    Only because the jury was rigged.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/joh-juror-demands-apology-from-campbell-newman/story-fnbsqt8f-1226289865922

    …Mr Shaw, now 40, held out with another juror at Bjelke-Petersen’s perjury trial to prevent the required unanimous guilty verdict. It was later revealed he was a member of the Young Nationals and cousin of a secretary employed by Lady Bjelke-Petersen. She said in 1994 “they would have plonked” her late husband in jail had not Mr Shaw been on the jury…

    The political corruption goes round and round though, luke shaw is now the campaign manager for bob katter [funny how they always land on their feet] in that same article

    [luke shaw] …”I find it a bit rich Campbell Newman talking about corruption when his campaign fund looks more like a developer’s slush fund,” Mr Shaw said in a statement issued under the letterhead of Katter’s Australian Party…

    Bring on a qld ICAC I say, at the moment newman is watering down the limited powers that the qld CMC has just as fast as he can.

    NSW is the only state that has banned developer donations.

  309. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 2:08 pm

    Thompson was a grubby nobody, a union shyster on the make.

    The difference with him-
    ➢ Mindless ALP barrackers kept insisting on his actual “innocence” despite the mountain of evidence
    ➢ Gillard expressed her complete confidence in him, when her credibility was already at rock bottom
    ➢ He made tearful allegations about a conspiracy in the parliament, and
    ➢ Mindless ALP barrackers kept insisting on his actual “innocence” despite the mountain of evidence

    Thomson was mainly noteworthy because it took so long to play out. It was “Days of Our Lives” in the House of Representatives.

    Also because – Mindless ALP barrackers kept insisting on his actual “innocence” despite the mountain of evidence

  310. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 2:10 pm

    That’s right, Jo was bent.

    I occasionally relate a story about my experience with Queensland police during his era, and how clearly tis illustrates the corruption from top to bottom at that time.

    But I’ve repeated it so often, it’s best that I don’t on a blog.

  311. May 3, 2014 2:13 pm

    ””””””””””””””
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/05/03/liberal-slush-funds-expose-hartcher-and-bitter-factional-wars/1399039200#.U2RflPna6Sr
    ”””””””””””””””

    it is good to see icac has at least put the frighten`ers on the #nsw-teabags, and showing`em up as being as dirty as nsw-alp, but what `penalties` will be applied, if any,

    l also enjoyed the phrase `the elephants are being trampled` too

  312. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 3, 2014 2:15 pm

    “That’s right, Jo was bent”

    I would be upset if that was true. But corruption does start from the top. So i guess if his ministers were corrupt that means Joh was corrupt.

    What does that say about Bob Carr???

  313. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 2:16 pm

    But I’ve repeated it so often, it’s best that I don’t on a blog.

    did you have to ‘donate’ some money into a brown paper bag? 😉

  314. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 2:19 pm

    stop before you go mad neil [twisting and turning, dodging and weaving, churning everything said into an attack on labor]

  315. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 2:24 pm

    No, I was the victim of a fairly minor crime, and the police (and presumably) the magistrate offered to split the fine with me if I pressed charges.

  316. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 2:26 pm

    (though there was a little more intrigue to it)

  317. May 3, 2014 2:45 pm

    Oh do tell ToM….

    You can’t the dog the lead and then put it away again.

  318. May 3, 2014 2:55 pm

    ”””’No, I was the victim of a fairly minor crime,”””’

    meaning you`re as vile and horrid to/about people offline, as you are online, therefore somebody smacked you in the chops

  319. May 3, 2014 2:59 pm

    ”””(though there was a little more intrigue to it)”””

    meaning you made some `close and personal` friends in the back of the paddy-wagon

  320. May 3, 2014 3:02 pm

    Kneel you are a dickhead…maybe if you spend less time tryin to discredit the people who are giving you free and fairly unencumbered information with inane pointless twaddle…like Bolt you may learn something instead of remaining doggedly stupid…

    C;mon Tom cough up… 🙂

  321. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 3:18 pm

    Yes, maybe no one reads my comments anyway.

    So the non-committal over view of my dealings with Queensland police – way back then, I was staying in some basic accommodation in a surf spot that wasn’t as popular in those days.

    At about 5am on a Saturday morning I noticed an intruder robbing me. He absconded after smacking me in the mouth and nose. This caused me to make a very half hearted attempt to chase after him. He was apprehended after some other people were roused from their slumber by the commotion. They brought him back, where he smacked me in the mouth again, and absconded again. He was captured again!

    The police arrived at about 6.30am and told me that they’d be happy to split the fine with me and I could expect about $50. I declined.

    However they took him away anyway. By 9am (on a Saturday), he had been charged by the police, been to court before a magistrate (apparently) and fined $150. I imagine the fine only had to be split 2 ways.

    That’s Queensland under Joh.

  322. May 3, 2014 3:35 pm

    ””’after smacking me in the mouth and nose.””’

    ””’smacked me in the mouth again,”””’

    #un-surprising

  323. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 3:51 pm

    Teabagz, you’re hardly the first to observe that even violent house breakers show good judgement from time to time.

    ##unoriginal##

    ##unsurprising##

  324. May 3, 2014 4:00 pm

    yomm, considering so many of your comments are anti-people in general, and in particular, anti-working-class people, l realize there is some reason behind it. l am not `surprised` you have been robbed/mugged/bashed/etc

  325. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 4:15 pm

    ‘so many of your comments are anti-people’

    Popcorn?

  326. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 4:37 pm

    Is “f**kwittery” a word? Because I think it describes teabagz only capability.

    Perhaps he should try CW, they prefer mindless abuse and nonsensical baseless labelling to.

  327. May 3, 2014 5:10 pm

    aah that`s the difference between ivory-tower types like ya`self yomm, and workin`stiffs at street level, you reckon everybody is scum on street level, because one scum turned you into a punching-bag,

    over the years l`ve had scum try to mug me, they became `my` punching-bag

  328. May 3, 2014 5:30 pm

    Care to share some of that popcorn egg? I’ll get the drinks…

  329. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 5:43 pm

    My money is on ToM, he outclasses Teabagz in literacy.

  330. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 5:48 pm

    WOW!! It’s just so flattering to be given so much attention by a he-man/hero! I always admire MEN who know how to use their knuckles.

    (no doubt toughened up from dragging them along the ground)

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 5:50 pm

    It seems just about every comment I make elicits some f**kwittery from teabagz…is there a clinical term for this type of obsessive compulsive condition?

  332. May 3, 2014 5:57 pm

    “is there a clinical term for this type of obsessive compulsive condition?”

    Perhaps. But I’ve pretty much given up on try to interpret and understand most of “teabags” comments anyway….

    #hasthtagthis

    #andhashtagthat

    #infacthashtagfuckineverything

  333. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 6:00 pm

    ONEUPMANSHIP

    ‘An obsession with the lives of others, combined with an extreme inferiority complex, resulting in a mental disorder that requires the sufferer (the Oneupman) to constantly feel the need to prove his or her self to anyone who will pay attention.’

  334. May 3, 2014 6:02 pm

    I imagine that once in the qld cops hands, he would’ve got a beating worse than you would have dealt him tomM. Thanks for the story!

  335. May 3, 2014 6:06 pm

    ””””hero! I always admire MEN””””’

    Not hero. Some of us just can`t take the meek/cowardly route and hand-over wallets etc to mugging scum, or let group of thugs belt-up a lone person, and have to fight back or intervene.

  336. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 6:12 pm

    Heavens teabagz! That’s so terribly interesting, and you’ve survived to tell us all with such modesty.

    You may not think you’re a he-man/hero, but I’m sure we all do!

  337. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 6:16 pm

    For the record, I don’t think tomm is vile or horrid to anyone at all, he’s been a great contributor over the years and always very well mannered [more so than myself, I have to say]. I have always enjoyed the self deprecating humour as shown @ 3:51pm.

    you’re a bit grumpy teabagz. I thought only egg and neil were punch drunk from the battles!

  338. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 6:24 pm

    By 9am (on a Saturday), he had been charged by the police, been to court before a magistrate (apparently) and fined $150. I imagine the fine only had to be split 2 ways.

    Wonder if fines are still distributed through the force like that, it would seem qld is reverting to it’s ‘police state’ mentality again, judging by complaints through the media about the justice system under newman.
    I remember headlines years ago when something valuable had ‘gone missing’ from a locked safe at a gold coast police station.

  339. May 3, 2014 6:28 pm

    ””’I don’t think tomm is vile or horrid to anyone”””
    and l`m sure the folks at the coffee-shops and political-sword agree with you.

  340. May 3, 2014 6:31 pm

    I don’t think tomm is vile or horrid to anyone at all, he’s been a great contributor over the years and always very well mannered [more so than myself, I have to say]. I have always enjoyed the self deprecating humour…””

    I second that!!

  341. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 6:38 pm

    Well think you AO & reb. I think there is a great sense of camaraderie and humour here, even though the political persuasions are quite diverse.

    Of course GT isn’t suitable for everyone. For example, the dim witted struggle to keep up!

  342. May 3, 2014 6:48 pm

    You’re welcome ToM.

    Relative newcomers such as #Twinings and #egg obviously have no idea about your history here, although it is amusing if not somewhat tiresome to see them leap at conclusions and then attempt to justify them, without any comprehension of what has actually unfolded in “the real world*”

    *But then that never stopped anyone from commenting on a blog. (As Catching Up continues to prove.)

  343. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 6:51 pm

    ‘I have always enjoyed the self deprecating humour’

    Me too, in the style of Sedaris.

  344. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 3, 2014 6:53 pm

    typical tories, can’t live by their own rules and standards.

  345. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 6:55 pm

    ‘the dim witted struggle to keep up!’

    LOL

  346. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 3, 2014 7:05 pm

    “what has actually unfolded in “the real world*

    I’ll deny that! I was drunk at the time.
    ———-
    I’m off for a bottle of 2004 Penfolds 407, accompanied by food!

    I’ll check in when I’m full.

  347. May 3, 2014 8:05 pm

    ” l`m sure the folks at the coffee-shops and political-sword agree with you.”

    Tom was never near as abusive towards them as they were to him. All he was ever guilty of their was rubbing their noses in their partisan hypocrisy; to his credit.
    He was banned for being salient.

    Unlike scaper.

    El gordo, you have no fucking idea what you’re on about when it comes to the recognition-deficient rockshifter. I never called for him to be banned; nor anyone else.
    He is unhinged & has let his emotional outbursts creep into the world outside of the internet.
    Get your head out of your arse…or conversely, just shut the fuck up when you are commenting from profound ignorance of past encounters.

  348. May 3, 2014 8:06 pm

    * guilty of ‘there’…

  349. May 3, 2014 8:09 pm

    ””””””””””JEFF KENNETT: Well I am going to take it because I’m only a pensioner and – but I am, as you said earlier, very, very frustrated. I’ve always believed that leadership is not difficult, but leadership requires simplicity, good people, a vision, a strategy and a bit of effort to deliver and … I’m worried, terribly worried.
    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s3995463.htm
    ”””””””””””’

    ””only a pensioner”” most other `pensioners` haven`t been able to flog-off community owned assets to pad-out their pension or super #teabags

  350. May 3, 2014 8:26 pm

    ”””Tom was never near as abusive towards”””

    well dunny, l suppose that`s a point of view thing,

    reply`s to folks that are fancy version of saying

    `you are a fcukwit` (yes-scroll-up) and no `discussion` many class as abusive,

    eg.May 3, 2014 5:50 pm

  351. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 8:43 pm

    ‘…just shut the fuck up when you are commenting from profound ignorance of past encounters.’

    I was there at the time and must have missed everything. As everyone here has a sharper recollection of the event as it unfolded, I must have had a BoF moment.

  352. May 3, 2014 8:56 pm

    l usually enjoy ya`profound ignorance dumpty,

    and l don`t think l`ve told ya`to `shut-the-fcuk-up` either, like tonights apologist squad has

  353. egg permalink
    May 3, 2014 9:29 pm

    ‘I never called for him to be banned; nor anyone else.’

    Nobody said you did. Reb deliberated on the general murmurings and suggested Scaper get the boot, similar to his recent expulsion of Inane.

    ‘He is unhinged & has let his emotional outbursts creep into the world outside of the internet.’

    Like when Taylor exposed my ‘works’ computer on the world wide web, to prove I was a deviant. Even to this day I still get ridiculed as a girlie man.

  354. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 8:42 am

    ‘VOTERS have savaged Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s deficit tax plan as a “broken promise” that could cost him the next election.’

    Daily Terror

  355. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 8:50 am

    ‘An exclusive Galaxy poll commissioned by The Sunday Telegraph has found Mr Abbott would lose an election if it was held now, with two party-preferred support for the Coalition tumbling to 48 per cent since the September election. Labor’s two party-preferred support is now 52 per cent, according to Galaxy.

    ‘Nearly three-quarters of voters — 72 per cent — believe Mr Abbott’s debt tax is a “broken promise”, and it’s a fear shared by deputy Liberal leader Julie Bishop and senior ministers, who are understood to have raised concerns at last Monday’s cabinet meeting. During the meeting, Ms Bishop, who was on a phone hook- up, warned “our people won’t like it”.

    The Hun

  356. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 11:41 am

    UK Poll Predicts UKIP Win

    ‘Nigel Farage’s UKIP has opened up a clear lead in the run up to next month’s elections for the European Parliament. According to ComRes, 38% of Britons certain to vote say that they would cast their ballot for the party, compared to 27% who would vote for Labour, 18% who would vote for the Conservatives and 8% who would vote Lib Dem.

    ‘UKIP is damaging Conservative hopes as 67% of 2010 Tory voters are now saying they would vote for UKIP. However, it’s not all rainbows and unicorns for the euro-skeptic party, as – somewhat expectedly – almost one third of Britons think that UKIP is a racist party; even as 48% believe UKIP has sensible policies.’

    Tyler Durden

  357. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2014 11:47 am

    Bring on a qld ICAC I say, at the moment newman is watering down the limited powers that the qld CMC has just as fast as he can.

    And Sir Noddy recently said … “putting in place more regulations for developers would just mean that they would break more, its much better to leave them as they are” … !!!!!!!!!!! not only blatant but stupidly so …

    JEFF KENNETT: Well I am going to take it because I’m only a pensioner and …

    Only a fkn pensioner!!!!!! GMAFB! Or a very heavy gambler or another fkn Liberal liar! And/or thief! He was the premier of Vic FFS! And all the perqs that went with it … watched him on Lateline pushing GST increase – that will impact low and fixed income budgets more than anyone elses! Pensioner – what rubbish … he should be called out on that … where are the journos …

    I concur with support for ToM … we’ve been sparring/agreeing on a friendly basis for far too long not to agree with KL, sreb, Toillette etc … having said that I find tbagz general comments a bit “different” apart from ####### 🙂

  358. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 11:53 am

    ‘etc’

    That would be me.

  359. May 4, 2014 12:17 pm

    Um, actually no it wouldn’t.

  360. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 12:33 pm

    Oh, if you say so.

  361. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 4, 2014 12:58 pm

    It is difficult for some to comprehend that it is entirely possible to have a lively political discussion without descending into labels and name calling.

    AO once described GT as being like a bar you can pop into for a lively, harmless exchange, and I think that’s a pretty good description.

    Other sites provide plenty of opportunity for lots of insults and mindless labelling. Teabagz is entirely welcome to try them!

    Or perhaps he should simply attempt a little more dialogue about actual issues and a little less of the ######
    —–
    …and it is very kind of various long standing debating friends to reflect on the nature of the exchanges we’ve had for quite some time now!

  362. May 4, 2014 1:05 pm

    “…and it is very kind of various long standing debating friends to reflect on the nature of the exchanges we’ve had for quite some time now!”

    Isn’t it… How long has it been now 8 years or sumthin?

    There are some key stand out moments for me along the way….

    Your “I was right, you were all wrong” concession speech about Union influence in Labor ranks..

    Walrus’s “Two of everything” missive on the Australian economy.

    And there are so many others…

    All that’s missing these days is the religious nut jobbery of “Saved” and “Pilgrim”…

    But then we do have ToSY and occasionally Snacty…

    I wonder what became of Annie Barrie of Kiama?

  363. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2014 1:16 pm

    Oh, Annie where is thou … LOL!

    It is over half a million hits … and admittedly its kept me interested and alive for the all of those 8 years …

    I’m sitting here waiting for the family to arrive on a Sunday arvo, for a belated Easter egg hunt and barby …

    I think this is appropriate …

  364. Meta permalink
    May 4, 2014 1:18 pm

    (Agreed…

    Thompson was a grubby nobody, a union shyster on the make.

    The difference with him-
    ➢ Mindless ALP barrackers kept insisting on his actual “innocence” despite the mountain of evidence
    ➢ Gillard expressed her complete confidence in him, when her credibility was already at rock bottom
    ➢ He made tearful allegations about a conspiracy in the parliament, and
    ➢ Mindless ALP barrackers kept insisting on his actual “innocence” despite the mountain of evidence

    Thomson was mainly noteworthy because it took so long to play out. It was “Days of Our Lives” in the House of Representatives.

    Also because – Mindless ALP barrackers kept insisting on his actual “innocence” despite the mountain of evidence

    …particularly on the last, where an hour-glass of time and a peck of due process(es) did the heavy-lifting, excepting the introduction of basic prospective reforms, possibly not including the novelty of cross-benching of the named under the Geoffrey Robertson/Brit protocol when lines are crossed; although the bulk of the actual work of realigning behaviour(s) with community expectations seems to remain off in the never-never of an apparently vital RC’s troof-hunt.)

  365. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 1:52 pm

    More recently JJ and me had an altercation in the back room, he became quite abusive and began waving his SS bible at me. So out of desperation I put the needle in and he wandered off.

    He hung around on the other threads for a day, to cover his tracks, then was gone.

    Apologies to my colleagues here who enjoyed his company.

  366. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 4, 2014 3:24 pm

    Yes, 8 years of vicious, spiteful, unrelenting mindless argument… no …actually that lot dropped off the pace and Neil manages to towel them up 6 at a time these days.
    ———
    I think Ricky P recently said Bill Clinton was just about the last politician he admired, and that’s probably about right.

  367. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 6:08 pm

    Shock Poll

    ‘A new survey shows that the income level of members of the Communist Party of China is much higher than non-Party people.’

    China Daily

  368. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 4, 2014 6:18 pm

    “Kneel you are a dickhead

    Why?? Bob Carr was Premier when all this ICAC stuff was going on. People in NSW thought it strange he got a high paying job with Macquarie Bank after he left politics. Not too sure what Carr knew about banking.

    But we do know that Bob Carr is a liar. He promised to stay on in the Senate after the last election

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/17/bob-carr-voters-ride-senate

    It really has to be said: Bob Carr has played voters for mugs. Just over five weeks ago he contested and won a six-year stint in the Senate in the number one position on the Labor ticket.

    Everyone in the Labor party suspected he had no intention of serving much more than six weeks of a new Senate term, and even before the election, speculation began about who would replace him.

    He publicly insisted he would serve a full term.

  369. May 4, 2014 6:42 pm

    “I was there at the time and must have missed everything.”

    No, you weren’t. It all goes back much further than your ‘arrival’. So, I reiterate…Get your head out of your arse…or conversely, just shut the fuck up when you are commenting from profound ignorance of past encounters.

    And you, teabagz, can cry me a fucking river. Whether you think so or not, Tom wasn’t banned from those other blogs for being abusive. If the custodians of those partisan, intellectually incestuous boredom clubs weren’t so into posthumously censoring & rewriting history you’d be able to go back & read the exchanges. Most here were witness to the stunning ideological hypocrisy. Time & eventualities have actually vindicated the overwhelming majority of the positions Tom held (which got him banned, for being a fly in their ointment). That is not me being an apologist, it is setting the record straight.
    I sure as hell won’t be censured by you (even by timid inference) for anything I say to el gordo. If he wants to collaborate with the rockshifter then he deserves everything which comes his way.

    “Like when Taylor exposed my ‘works’ computer on the world wide web, to prove I was a deviant. Even to this day I still get ridiculed as a girlie man.”

    Yes, miglo has lots of form when it comes to violating privacy & showing a subtle malice & revisionism. Few here would be surprised. His blogs are a partisan wankfest of epic proportions.

  370. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 7:15 pm

    ‘No, you weren’t. It all goes back much further than your ‘arrival’.

    OK

  371. May 4, 2014 7:17 pm

    I completely support what the Boss said at 6:42pm and the likes of Egg and #bagzbagzbagz can just fuck off because, despite what they might proclaim, they have no fkn idea of history.

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2014 7:23 pm

    sreb, George Gently, 8:30, ABC, new series … TONIGHT!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think Ricky P recently said Bill Clinton

    Me ToM … RP agreed tho’ …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Apologies to my colleagues here who enjoyed his company.

    You have “colleagues”?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    His blogs are a partisan wankfest of epic proportions.

    Something most of us detest at GT … partisanship, ah la, Bolt or Café are not embraced … nor is opinionated BS … you will be challenged … although you know that …

  373. May 4, 2014 7:34 pm

    “sreb, George Gently, 8:30, ABC, new series … TONIGHT!”

    I know TB, and here I was thinking I should send you a reminder…. 🙂

    I;m watching Penn and Teller at the mo..

  374. May 4, 2014 7:36 pm

    “You have “colleagues”?

    Lol ! that’s what I thought…! 😆

  375. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 7:40 pm

    Imaginary associates.

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2014 7:50 pm

    I;m watching Penn and Teller at the mo.. Couple of funny buggers!

    I’m just chilling out after the clean up from of a very successful family barby/easter egg hunt … this year I got my automatic Nerf gun out and set up five easter eggs as targets … great fun had by all ages! 🙂

  377. May 4, 2014 8:17 pm

    FFS still unhinged coz l deduced somebody knuckled yomm.

    .

    dunny cry ya`own river, l don`t give a rats about so-called blog-war/s,
    l would only say ya`totally fcuking wrong on the `banning`, at coffees-1+2,
    as l saw it unfold, yomm, dumpty and reb all got cleaned-up, TB didn`t, l didn`t,
    and dumpty lost her gas-chamber at coffee-1,

    ””’I completely support what the Boss said at 6:42pm””’
    fine, but ya might want to rename the place `coffee-3`,
    if we`re just circling wagons,

    as ya haven`t checked under the bonnet, coz you might find a comment l made to you here, saying along the lines that it did look like a `troll-attack` on coffee-2, went a bit too far against the pensioners, and tho l wasn`t saying it was rebs intention to troll, the other 2 had form

  378. May 4, 2014 8:21 pm

    #Teabag I have no fkn idea what you’re rambling about nor have the interest or inclination to try and interpret it. Just sayin…

  379. May 4, 2014 9:00 pm

    Twas Tom TB.. and yes I agree. Clinton is a great politician, there are a few good uns out here but they are part of a dying breed and mostly either Indy or in single digits in the ALP…

    There in lies the problem with the conservative wing, its a festival of fuckwits and the front bench of this government is a prime example of a real buget bullshiters emergency; steriotyically personifying the lowest ebb in political discourse in Australian political history. The talent pool would not wet your ankles across the divide and we all know that kankles are three feet lower than an asshole.

    “Kneel you are a dickhead”
    Why??

    Because your points are facile, monumentally nieve, irrefutably moronic, repeatedly inane, predictably parroted, devoid of critical thinking, irritant of fact, poorly researched, historically incorrect, one sided and you can never support your argument with clear rationale….. apart from that we will give you a few marks for good spelling 🙄

    People in NSW thought it strange he got a high paying job with Macquarie Bank after he left politics. Not too sure what Carr knew about banking.

    See above

    On a happier note, I’m off to QLD next week to pick up a nice “regal” Dobro I purchased from a place called the Gap? TB do I need a visa? Australia is fucking ridiculous. I purchased a guitar from China and it arrived from the factory Via EMS and I picked it up from Aussie post inclusive of freight. Yet if I wanna send this down from QLD its $150 bucks??? Its cheaper for me to get a flight to Brisbane and fly back…Now call me naive but isn’t China further than Brisbane?

  380. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 4, 2014 9:16 pm

    See above”

    Well i will say it again. People in NSW thought it strange that Bob Carr went straight from politics into a several hundred thousand dollar a year job with Macquarie Bank.

    But Bob Carr is definitely a liar.

    He promised to stay on in the Senate for 6 years if elected.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/17/bob-carr-voters-ride-senate

    Paul Kelly: Can I check, minister, will you serve out your current Senate term? … Will you complete the current term?

    Bob Carr: Yes.

    Kelly: And will you seek another term because I think you indicated you would at the press conference with Julia Gillard when your appointment was announced.

    Carr: Yes, that’s right, I did. I did it very eloquently and I’m glad you remember.

    Kelly: Yes and but you didn’t answer the question. Will you seek a second term as you indicated then you would?

    Carr: Yes, yes.

    Kelly: You will, you will?

    Carr: You mean – by second term you mean one after the – a term after the one that I’m going to be elected to, I hope, as number one on the party ticket on September 14, one after that?

    Kelly: That’s right.

    Carr: Six years, seven years beyond that?

    Kelly: That’s right.

    Carr: Yeah. And then I’m going to keep seeking them.

    Like most ALP politicians, Bob Carr is a liar.

  381. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 4, 2014 10:16 pm

    #Teabag I have no fkn idea what you’re rambling about nor have the interest or inclination to try and interpret it. Just sayin…

    That make sense.

    ”I sure as hell won’t be censured by you (even by timid inference) for anything I say to el gordo.”

    Being berated by teabagz is of about as much concern as being rebuked by a dachshund.

    Teabagz seems to miss the fact that there are people here who respect one another despite a range of differences of opinion.

  382. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 10:37 pm

    ‘…there are people here who respect one another despite a range of differences of opinion.’

    With respect ToM, that’s not quite accurate. Its a left wing clique and they barely tolerate the right.

    Neil often refers to the left as abusive and arrogant, which seems a fair comment.

  383. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 4, 2014 11:02 pm

    El Gordo, I think it is fair to say that all persuasions are accepted here…subject to them being rational…and grammatically correct.

    Personally, I find he exchanges between Tony and Tioletboss very entertaining, and they’re hardly politically aligned.

  384. May 4, 2014 11:10 pm

    With respect ToM, that’s not quite accurate. Its a left wing clique and they barely tolerate the right.
    Neil often refers to the left as abusive and arrogant, which seems a fair comment

    Oh Hipopitamic hypocrisy… So the entire nation, everyone that voted Liberal, the other 50 odd % that didn’t (this mandate lie) who got all these Surprises they didn’t vote for from Newman, OFarrell, and that fuckwit Abbot; enraged with the lies and assault on their lifestyle by ideology are “Leftist, abusive and arrogant”

    Right, It is blindingly apparent who is arrogant….

    Kneel finds it strange that a man who served as premier of the state he lives in for 10 years should get a position with the millionaires factory. Obviously Kneel like every other topic he comments on with the blind conviction of a lemming, has no clue what Macquarie actually does.

  385. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 4, 2014 11:24 pm

    But is Bob Carr a liar???

    Paul Kelly: Can I check, minister, will you serve out your current Senate term? … Will you complete the current term?

    Bob Carr: Yes.

    Kelly: And will you seek another term because I think you indicated you would at the press conference with Julia Gillard when your appointment was announced.

    Carr: Yes, that’s right, I did. I did it very eloquently and I’m glad you remember.

    Kelly: Yes and but you didn’t answer the question. Will you seek a second term as you indicated then you would?

    Carr: Yes, yes.

    Kelly: You will, you will?

    Carr: You mean – by second term you mean one after the – a term after the one that I’m going to be elected to, I hope, as number one on the party ticket on September 14, one after that?

    Kelly: That’s right.

    Carr: Six years, seven years beyond that?

    Kelly: That’s right.

    Carr: Yeah. And then I’m going to keep seeking them.

  386. public toilet permalink
    May 5, 2014 4:05 am

    Any recent comments I’ve made towards individuals were qualifications. Generally because my name was invoked under dubious terms in a comment made by them.

    I only take issue with Neil when he includes me in some imaginary cabal of culpable leftists & slates home responsibility for government debacles to how he assumes I vote(d).

    El Gordo presumes much.

  387. public toilet permalink
    May 5, 2014 4:08 am

    Unlike some, I’m prescient enough to realise that my enemy’s enemy isn’t necessarily my friend.

  388. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 7:32 am

    ‘I find he exchanges between Tony and Tioletboss very entertaining, and they’re hardly politically aligned.’

    They were always good value, but I sense a falling out between the two stalwarts.

  389. May 5, 2014 7:33 am

    “With respect ToM, that’s not quite accurate. Its a left wing clique and they barely tolerate the right.”

    WTF?

  390. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 7:41 am

    Ah, Ricky, my reference is a generality on blogosphere behaviour and has nothing to do with the real world.

  391. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 8:05 am

    They were always good value, but I sense a falling out between the two stalwarts.

    “sense” … that tells a lot …

  392. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 9:51 am

    “Kneel finds it strange that a man who served as premier of the state he lives in for 10 years should get a position with the millionaires factory. Obviously Kneel like every other topic he comments on with the blind conviction of a lemming, has no clue what Macquarie actually does.”

    Carr went from greenlighting Macquarie deals one day to a sinecure there the next. This was widely criticised at the time and for good reason. It is at the very least unseemly. In cases like that there should be a two year gap between being in a position to significantly benefit a corporation and taking a job with them. Indeed that is the rule in less corrupt societies.

    Carr is contemptible. He used his time as FM as littel more than a paid research sabbatical for his tell-all book. In fact the most telling thing about the book was the way it exposed Carr as a vain pompous hypocrite.

  393. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 9:55 am

    “sense” … that tells a lot …’

    Intuitive intellect, you can always wander back and have a look for yourself, big nose.

  394. May 5, 2014 10:01 am

    Egg is evolving into another Inane Hall…

    Comments seem to be focused on an assessment of this blog and its participants rather than actually contributing anything to the discussion.

    Calling this place “a left wing clique” where the “right” is “barely tolerated” is both inaccurate and offensive.

    I’ve written plenty of content criticising Labor under Gillard and The Greens in the past.

    Maybe if all you’re going to do is make ill-founded statements like that, and then with the obligatory apology later (which is becoming par for the course these days), you should just fuck off somewhere else. I’m sure Inane Hall would welcome you with open arms at his place.

  395. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 10:03 am

    Now if you want to see something absolutely delusional:

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott says voters will eventually thank him for trying to repair the budget bottom line, even if it includes breaking his promise not to introduce new taxes.

  396. Dianne permalink
    May 5, 2014 10:12 am

    Yeah yeah. But big news is the Packer/Gyngell rumble (bloody) at Bondi.

  397. May 5, 2014 10:17 am

    “something absolutely delusional”

    I know! That was hilarious!

    I think we’re meant to be grateful now that the adults are in charge…. LOL

  398. May 5, 2014 10:19 am
  399. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 10:42 am

    If I make an apology its because I recognise the error in my thinking or behaviour, this is not a crime.

    And I still wander around the blogosphere in the hope that I’ll come across something as unique as Trash, with its humour and robust political debate, evenly balanced in numbers, a dynamic environment.

    There is nothing out there to compare, so I might start my own blog and invite everyone over for a party.

    ——-

    Hi Dianne.

  400. May 5, 2014 10:46 am

    “evenly balanced in numbers”

    You said it was a “”Left wing clique”

    “I might start my own blog”

    Good idea.

  401. Sir Walrus of the Northern Beaches permalink
    May 5, 2014 10:54 am

    “But big news is the Packer/Gyngell rumble (bloody) at Bondi.””

    Yes Dianne its quite hilarious. 2 heads of ASX listed companies (Crown and Nine Entertainment) coming to blows.

    Quite extraordinary.

    It’ll be the first time a fist fight has featured on the front page of the Australian Financial Review

  402. Sir Walrus of the Northern Beaches permalink
    May 5, 2014 10:55 am

    Looks like I missed some rather robust exchanges on this Blog over the weekend

    LOL

  403. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 5, 2014 11:18 am

    I don’t mind any of the contributors here. Though coherent discussion would help
    =====
    Yes, it’s funny about Packer. He seems to do quite well for himself with women for a fat, ugly slob.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that

  404. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 11:20 am

    Robust exchanges are part of the magic of this place. I blame the crystal meth epidemic. We need to get back to good old fashioned drugs like LSD. Then we could all sing:

    “I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
    I am the walrus, goo goo goo joob goo goo goo goo joob”

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 11:21 am

    Carr went from greenlighting Macquarie deals one day to a sinecure there the next. This was widely criticised at the time and for good reason. It is at the very least unseemly.

    Then this is fkn sickening! In fact fraudulent!

    Donors are offered “VIP” meetings with the Treasurer in return for annual fees of up to $22,000.

    Robber Barons at play …

    Now if you want to see something absolutely delusional:

    Delusional and dangerous … demonstrates a very arrogant dictatorial mindset … (eg the people love me whatever I do) …

    The Emperor has no clothes … ! Nor it seems has his court …

    G’day Di, noice to see ya!

  406. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 11:23 am

    Or perhaps we could adopt Dianne’s charming and dignified approach to discourse. Although I doubt I could write as well or stay calm for very long. Manners don’t become me.

  407. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 11:23 am

    But big news is the Packer/Gyngell rumble (bloody) at Bondi.

    Robber Barons at play? When thieves fall out?

  408. May 5, 2014 11:25 am

    “something absolutely delusional”

    Yep Pyne on the Insiders calling themselves “Adults” is up there…..
    Seems to personify this government, arrogance and delusion…..He was owned by Fran Kelly….

    He really is quite an offensive prick who lives in a delusion thought fart bubble

    Egg seems to be picking up on my language…..

    The Packer Gyngell stouch…wow. That is a photographers wet dream. Apparently someone snapped off about 50… love to own that reel, licence to print honey.

    Re Carr.. I agree Splatter..bann them for two years. In Carrs case it was for services rendered 4 sure. Arrogant he may be, but I would rather him than this God bothering free Marketeer any day of the week…. At least he’s not bent.

  409. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 11:29 am

    ‘I am the eggman…’

    ** chuckle **

  410. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 11:45 am

    ‘You said it was a “”Left wing clique”

    The commenters are evenly balanced between left/right, plus anarchist splinter groups and fence sitters, but the editorial tone is all pretty much one way traffic.

    Nttiawwt

  411. May 5, 2014 12:05 pm

    Well.. Its not like we didn’t know he was a fuckwit ideologue, extremist; incapable of governing for all Australians before the election…Australia got what it deserved, the most unworthy man to ever be promoted to the office who reflects the underlying stupidity and ingrained prejudice of the electorate.

    When you ride a wave of intolerance, indifference, racism and hatred….expect to get dumped on the fatal shore of reality.

  412. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:27 pm

    meta has been with us all these years too and i always appreciate him popping in, it’s a bit like a brain puzzle to make us think – thanks mets.

    I’ve written plenty of content criticising Labor under Gillard and The Greens in the past.

    there was a time when you were a ‘wealth crazed prick’. oh those were the days! 😆

  413. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:28 pm

    sorry, i did forget the quote marks for reb’s comment, but you get what i mean don’t you? 😉

  414. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:37 pm

    KL, missing your twitter posts so I am trying to do it myself:

    Williams having trouble recalling who "The Boss" is. Watson gives a hint: Not Bruce Springsteen. Tinkler's name doesn't occur to him #icac— Kate McClymont (@Kate_McClymont) May 5, 2014

  415. May 5, 2014 12:39 pm

    “but you get what i mean don’t you?”

    Indeed…. 🙂

  416. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:40 pm

    I never ever criticised anything to do with the ALP, just ask, Kneel … 🙂

  417. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:44 pm

    ‘…with one witness describing the men as “fighting like dogs” in the street.’

  418. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:45 pm

    “Australia got what it deserved, the most unworthy man to ever be promoted to the office who reflects the underlying stupidity and ingrained prejudice of the electorate. ”

    That is actually my opinion of Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them.

  419. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:49 pm

    haha, that tweet was funny sb, watson is quite entertaining!

  420. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:52 pm

    “That is actually my opinion of Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them.”

    Cold comfort when we are transitioning from frying pan to fire.

  421. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:56 pm

    I still don’t get why Howard was thrown out. I am more anti-ALP than pro libs. There is almost nothing the ALP supporters say that i agree with

    1983-1996 govt debt went from 5% of GDP to 19% of GDP
    1996-2007 govt debt went from 19% of GDP to zero
    2008-2012 govt debt went form ZERO to 10% of GDP

    We now have one of the fastest growth rates of debt in the OECD.

    I like what Amanda Vanstone said on the Bolt report yesterday.

    You fix the hole in the roof when the sun is shining not when it starts to rain.

  422. May 5, 2014 12:57 pm

    “I like what Amanda Vanstone said on the Bolt report yesterday.”

    No shit. 🙄

  423. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:58 pm

    I believe this too, the diaries should be public, we should know who they speak to and what the meeting was about. It is time the pollies actually made themselves as accountable as the public want them to be. It’s clean up time. I was annoyed when gillard met with the newscorp CEO and we were told it was a ‘private meeting’, as far as I’m concerned there should be no private meetings when in government.

  424. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 12:58 pm

    ‘I am more anti-ALP than pro libs.’

    In my book you’re just another fence sitter.

  425. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:04 pm

  426. May 5, 2014 1:04 pm

    Kneel lets set this strait Pal.. there is no repeat one more time for the dummies… No budget emergency..its made up shit to string indoctrinated imbecilic’s along by the nosering of facile lies by unworthy men.

    You like what Amanda Vanstone said on Bolt and cant figure out why Howard was dumped?…

    Splatter, Reb…you reading this shit? 🙄

  427. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:05 pm

    “I still don’t get why Howard was thrown out.”

    1. He was a racist – supported race as a citerion in immigration decisions.

    2. He deliberately lied about ‘children overboard’ when his department had information that the parents had not dumped their kids overboard.

    3. He bailed out his brother’s company and then said it was the last time the government would be doing that. The terms of the bailout meant that ASIC no longer had a duty to investigate the conduct of the directors.

    4. He imposed an excise to suit Manildra, the largest Lib donor, even though the ship carrying the foreign ethanol was about to dock in Australia.

    5. He said he would have an independent speaker, sacked Halverson for being too fair and installed Sinkers.

    People were ready for a change.

  428. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:06 pm

    Too funny egg

    I hate the ALP.

    Most probably make me blind to the many faults of the Libs.

    Over at Cafe Lunatic asylum they say Costello did not save enough from 1996-2007.

    This coming from supporters whose party they support have not saved a cent during 19 years in power from 1983.

  429. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:09 pm

    I still don’t get why Howard was thrown out

    You sound surprised, Kneel, I’ve known for years that you don’t …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I believe this too, the diaries should be public,

    I’d love to see, Scott Morrison’s log … and his pirate flag and the vellum charts and brass compasses he issued to the RAN who got lost in Indonesian waters … just a couple of months ago …

    Is anyone keeping a record of these stuff ups?

  430. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:10 pm

  431. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:12 pm

    6. Howard and Downer sent troops to war in Iraq and then condoned selling wheat to the enemy via a back door deal … “can’t remember” was their favourite answer to questions from the RC on the AWB scandal …

  432. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:14 pm

    I don’t know about budget emergency, Bedd Pann.

    I don’t like the idea of a permanent and growing debt. Debt is something you may run up on a short term basis to pump-prime the economy. It should not be used to fund welfare entitlements – that is intergenerational theft.

    It looks to me that our demographic future is such that we can’t keep going the way we have and we need to transition to a system which can cope with 2 in the workforce for every retiree.

    Abbott knew all this when he promised not to raise taxes or make cuts to certain programs. If he breaks those promises now he deserves to be a one-term PM.

  433. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:17 pm

    Abbott certainly has no mandate to break is promises. People might put up with his unlovely manner if they believe he is fair dinkum. But he seems intent on proving he is just another lying politician.

  434. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:24 pm

    “He was a racist – supported race as a citerion in immigration decisions.

    Even if true so what?? The fact is when PM immigration went from 90,000 year in 1996 to 180,000/year in 2007 and was the most wide and diverse immigration program on our nations history

    ” Howard and Downer sent troops to war in Iraq and then condoned selling wheat to the enemy via a back door deal

    More lies. You really are a grub TB.

    Iraq was under UN sanctions and was not allowed to buy food. Lots of companies were selling stuff to Iraq

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_for_food_program

    The Oil-for-Food Programme (OIP), established by the United Nations in 1995 (under UN Security Council Resolution 986)[1] was established to allow Iraq to sell oil on the world market in exchange for food, medicine, and other humanitarian needs for ordinary Iraqi citizens without allowing Iraq to boost its military capabilities.
    The programme was introduced by United States President Bill Clinton’s administration in 1995,[2] as a response to arguments that ordinary Iraqi citizens were inordinately affected by the international economic sanctions aimed at the demilitarisation of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, imposed in the wake of the first Gulf War. The sanctions were discontinued on 21 November 2003 after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and the humanitarian functions turned over to the Coalition Provisional Authority

    The allegation is that to get the wheat deal rather than some other company they bribed who know who to get the deal rather than the Americans or Canadians.

    I doubt if the Australian govt had any idea about the bribes and nobody in AWB was ever charged.

  435. Sir Walrus of Palm Beach permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:37 pm

    ‘…with one witness describing the men as “fighting like dogs” in the street.’

    And it prove to be an expensive fight for Packer with his Columbo casino venture in the balance in staunchly Budhist Sri Lanka

  436. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:44 pm

    “Even if true so what??”

    Are you joking? It matters to me, as it should to every citizen, whether our PM is on record as adopting a racist policy. Ruddock crossed the floor on that vote. That should tell you something.

  437. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:45 pm

    haha, true to form, as soon as there is some bad media, we have a big presser to tell us that they still haven’t found the missing plane!

    Even if true so what??

    well, he didn’t only govern for middle aged white australians like him.

  438. May 5, 2014 1:50 pm

    Priceless!

  439. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:50 pm

  440. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:51 pm

    Splatter

    Whatever his views on race it did not show when he was PM. Maybe he was racist and changed his views. Immigration went from 90,000/year in 1996 to 180,000/year in 2007.

    And i notice lefties like to call people racist. Maybe Howard was. But i think for a lot of people his age they remember what the Japanese did so it clouds their judgement.

    Of course it was Labor who started the white Australia policy.

  441. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 1:52 pm

    ‘Most probably make me blind to the many faults of the Libs.’

    And as Splatter has pointed out, your hero maybe flawed.

  442. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 2:08 pm

    I don’t lightly call anyone a racist. However, Howard want to legislate a race-based criterion for immigration. That is as clear as it could be. He later made a half-hearted apology. No one took it seriously. Eventually it cost him his seat.

  443. May 5, 2014 2:09 pm

    Well Splatter thats where we differ, I believe a sustainable economic future is a balance between debt based upon job creating infrastructure (like the NBN) that would serve to stimulate the regionalisation of business of dying country hubs and the manageability as a percentage of growth, inflation and tax receipts. No sense in having a surplus if it kills people doing it. Selling Telstra was a monumentally short sightedly idiotic thing to do to get a bragging right to give tax bribes to the middle class.

    I’ll put it in crude Kneel type terms…If you have a business (governments are as we know nothing like businesses or family budgets) that is running with less than 25% debt and still expanding that is a wonderful thing. Sure no debt is better but that is totally unrealistic, no debt, no expansion, no long term profit. This idea that we have a budget emergency is so fucking ridiculous and insulting, it will destroy this government who base all their decisions on “childishly” chasing ideology.

    It is now patently apparent that the Fiberals feed the economy of bribes… Its their modus operandi. Abbott is not and never was “Fair Dinkum”, he is based upon all before his tenure a lying snake who treats politics as a game to win rather than the common good. I reiterate, he is unworthy of the office and the trust of the people he has no mandate based upon lies.

  444. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2014 2:17 pm

    Splatter

    Strange thing is that Asians would be more likely to vote for the Coalition rather than the ALP. Especially those from Vietnam who remember Communist rule.

    And i don’t think Gough Whitlam was too keen on Vietnamese immigration.

  445. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 2:37 pm

    It should not be used to fund welfare entitlements – that is intergenerational theft

    A little like spending the tax I paid for a pension, on baby bonuses and tax cuts for the well off and then being told I’ll have to work a bit longer to support parental leave … yeah, intergenerational … and we won’t go into the costs of sending the ADF to war … whererver there is one …

    Have you noticed that ’cause Abbott can’t declare war on a country he declares war on asylum seekers and the economy … “we all have to pull together” and “tighten our belts” … ” we shall fight them in the supermarkets, we shall fight them in the old folks homes , we shall fight them in the schools and the universities, we shall never surrender …”

  446. May 5, 2014 2:38 pm

    Kitty You are Twitter Queen!! Reb I literally passed water 🙂

    Tony Windsor..now there is a real polly..integrity, guts, issue based and does not give a fuck about filthy Jouno’s like Dolt and his string puller.

  447. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 2:53 pm

    More lies. You really are a grub TB.

    Keep yer name calling to yourself, Kneel … and learn a few facts before you dribble anymore in my direction!

    Take your pick …

    https://www.google.com.au/#newwindow=1&q=the+awb+scandal+%E2%80%93+a+failure+of+governance

    Conclusion

    The AWB scandal raises significant questions and concerns pertaining to the Australian policy-making processes and the attitudes of the government ministers involved.

    http://www.ukessays.com/essays/criminology/australian-wheat-board-scandal.php

    And i notice lefties like to call people racist. Maybe Howard was. But i think for a lot of people his age they remember what the Japanese did so it clouds their judgement.

    What does his age and Japan have to do with anything? He’s 71… FFS! Opinion much?

    Strange thing is that Asians would be more likely to vote for the Coalition rather than the ALP. Especially those from Vietnam who remember Communist rule.

    er, no they wouldn’t and Vietnam is STILL a People’s Republic – Communist to you – state …

    FYI, sorry edification, Samsung employ 10,000 people in VN making yer iPhones, iPads and iPods …

    And i don’t think … much at all!

  448. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 3:17 pm

    The problem we have is spending more than we earn. This creates debt. So now we still spend more than we earn plus a another $12bn in interest each year. And if we keep spending more than we earn, the more interest we pay. So a good reason to pay off debt would be to have more to spend each year. If debt keeps increasing then eventually we end up not even being able to pay the interest.

    Demographic trends show that debt will explode and will have to be used to fund welfare. That is not sustainable.

    You seem to want to spend debt on job-creating infrastructure. But the best job-creating infrastructure is cheap energy and reasonable labor relations. That doesn’t take any debt. But the ALP royally fucked the country on both those items.

    And, newsflash, the NBN is not job-creating infrastructure. It is a $90bn disaster, cooked up on byUnderpants Conroy and Krudd on the back of a serviette. With more haste and less care than went into the home insulation scheme.

    Businesses who need internet speed can buy it. And they already have. The NBN will not generate one new job.

    The rest of us can’t afford the NBN prices. We may get speed, but we will only be able to afford a few gig a month. The fuckers will then destroy my perfectly adequate copper (on which I can afford to buy unlimited data) so I won’t even have a choice.

    I await with interest, but not much hope, for the budget strategy.

  449. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2014 3:27 pm

    TB

    You said this

    Howard and Downer sent troops to war in Iraq and then condoned selling wheat to the enemy via a back door deal

    I took it to mean there was something strange selling wheat to Iraq. A bit like trading with the Nazi’s and Japanese during WW2. Anyway that is the way i took it. And i have seen comments by lefties like that many times on this topic.

    Iraq was under sanctions and was not allowed to buy food. So Iraq would not starve Bill Clinton started up the Oil-For-Food program. It was legal to “trade with the enemy”. Lots of companies wanted a piece of the action. And i guess many Australian companies other than AWB were selling stuff to Iraq as well as American, Canadian etc. In fact the Canadians were upset that we got the contract rather than them.

    I bristle when lefties try and make out there is something strange trading with Iraq when it was a legal sanctioned UN program.

    As for the bribes, I doubt anybody in the Australian govt knew about it.

  450. May 5, 2014 3:49 pm

    Kneel, keep digging that hole…. You look stupider by the second AWB, bribes, weapons of mass deception.

    and TB’s a grub? get a grip fuckwit,

    Howard was a lying racist by way of his legacy. His tenure changed Australia and took us to a very very dark place from which there is no turning back. We are tainted with that man’s hypocrisy and lies manifested in This Prick Abbot…

    But then again grubs lie you like that kind of thing, racism, ones sided ambivalence, hatred… I can see now why you are such a Howard fan, why you toss off to his memory with that low bar of humanity, stupefied by the ramblings of a hack like Dolt…Too afraid to think for yourself or except the deception of low men. TB speaks the truth and he’s a lefty grub? what a fucking mindless intellectual pygmy you are..

    Why do you hate your country so Kneel? 🙄

  451. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 3:54 pm

    How the Boomers got lucky:

    The Boomers’ preferences have dominated society’s choices since they first reached adulthood in the 1960s and 1970s. In their twenties and thirties they accepted higher inflation; their mortgages were, in effect, partially written off even as pensioners saw their savings destroyed.

    Now in their fifties, sixties and seventies, they insist on low inflation, fearing the erosion of their lifetime savings as they head into retirement. The Boomers have had their cake and made sure they could eat it.

    So what are GenX & Y going to do?

    One answer would simply be to wait for the selfish generation to expire. By that stage, however, the damage may have been done: their gains will have been the rest of society’s losses.

    Another would be to recognise the futile nature of the large amounts of medical expenditure for those approaching the final curtain, a use of resources for which the returns are, sadly, lacking. It seems unlikely, however, that society is yet willing to embrace voluntary euthanasia – let alone the involuntary kind – any time soon, or to become indifferent to death, whatever the age

  452. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2014 4:00 pm

    “Why do you hate your country so Kneel?

    I hate the ALP.

    Nothing wrong with the Pacific Solution either.

    We went from taking refugees from UNHCR camps under Howard to taking anybody with $10,000 under Rudd/Gillard.

    That guy who was murdered on Manus Island risked his life because he could not get a job in his chosen profession in Iraq.

    Lets hope Scott Morrison gets us back to taking refugees from UNHCR camps

  453. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 4:11 pm

    Jobs growth won’t be helped with cuts in the budget …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/job-ads-signal-employment-growth/story-e6frfkur-1226906039652

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kneel, just go and play with the other kids …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You seem to want to spend debt on job-creating infrastructure. But the best job-creating infrastructure is cheap energy and reasonable labor relations. That doesn’t take any debt. But the ALP royally fucked the country on both those items.

    The Libs grabbed the baton and are running backwards with it … bring back the Accords I say … but someone who can actually co-operate w ith unions, business and government is hard to find these days …

    the NBN is not job-creating infrastructure ‘Tis employing people as we speak … I might remind you that:

    http://www.rinkworks.com/said/predictions.shtml

    We may get speed, but we will only be able to afford a few gig a month.

    Telstra assured me (and other broadband clients) that there will be no change to our fee structure.

    And of course with NBN everything goes down the fibre broadband/telephone …

    The fuckers will then destroy my perfectly adequate copper (on which I can afford to buy unlimited data) so I won’t even have a choice.

    And your choice now is? What would be different …

    As for copper v fibre …

    Fiber’s bottom line is near copper’s – All things considered

    http://www.ecmag.com/section/miscellaneous/copper-cabling-really-cheaper-fiber-optic-cabling

    And in fact the copper electric power cables in my street have just been replaced … not with copper but with alloy cable …

    Fibre is more robust and provides longer servicing …

    They went on to provide some general examples:

    In suburban Australia over 85 per cent of the copper network is over 30 years old. The life expectancy for the copper is 30 years. A ‘typical’ suburban street has 50 homes, Copper cable was provisioned at ‘two to two-and-a-half’ pairs per home.
    That means there are around 100 pairs per street. Subsequently, at the start there was near 100 per cent redundancy.

    Each Telstra pillar services around 200 customers spread across four streets or so. As such there are 4 x 100 cable pairs.

    The 4 x 100 cable pairs terminate on the customer side of the pillar. A 300 pair cable (or larger) terminates on the exchange side of the pillar. Customer pairs are cross connected (called ‘jumpered’) to the telephone exchange side pairs in the pillar.

    Because of faulty pairs, ageing, water intrusion, changes and split-redeveloped blocks, redundancy in the cables is now much less than the original ‘near 100 per cent.’ It is now closer to zero …

    … Our source concluded:

    Also, don’t be distracted on the exchange side faults, these are minimal, most old copper has been replaced, a lot with fibre to a RIM.

    http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/11/27/3642266.htm

    As well as a significant increase in connection speed, fibre optic networks offer a tremendous capacity to keep up with any new technological advances. Once the basic fibre optic infrastructure is in place, it can be rearranged and the end point electronics upgraded when necessary, to deliver even higher capacity. It can do this far more effectively than existing wireless or copper based systems.

    In terms of its serviceable lifetime, glass (from which fibre optic cable is made) is long lasting, stronger than copper and more able to retain its transmission properties after physical stress such as weight strain, or even attack by rats and cockatoos. We install fibre differently from copper: in good quality coatings, inside ducts, or in the case of newer systems, encased entirely by electrical transmission wires.

    http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2009/04/23/2551066.htm

    1950? or, 2050?

    Prime Minister of Infrastructure or Princess Liar?

  454. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 4:13 pm

    "I donated to the Nats and they are doing f–k all about it," Nathan Tinkler writes in April 2011 email about his coal loader #ICAC— Michaela Whitbourn (@MWhitbourn) May 5, 2014

  455. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 4:19 pm

    So what are GenX & Y going to do?

    Now that’s a leading question …

    Why is it that BB’s get all the luck? I was told the harder you work the luckier you get.

    Bring on higher inflation … obviously someone doesn’t understand investing opportunities …

    It’ll also put UP the VERY LOW mortgage interest rates … and improve fixed interest returns …

    One thing that Abbott/Hocket should eliminate is negative gearing – the bane of our society …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Lets hope Scott Morrison

    Who?

  456. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 4:28 pm

    I donated to the Nats and they are doing f–k all about it,”

    ROFLMAO!!!

    That says it all!

    Chuckle … deary me … LOL!

    Subtle as a fkn brick!

  457. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 5:24 pm

    Catallaxy is running the boomer story.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/05/05/the-selfish-generation/

  458. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 5, 2014 5:32 pm

    “Kneel, just go and play with the other kids …

    I commented on two issues.

    1. it really annoys me when lefties try and make out there is something strange with us selling wheat to Iraq. I have seen many times lefties trying to make out selling wheat to Iraq would be like selling wheat to nazi germany or Japan when we were at war with them.

    The UN Oil for Food program was a legally sanctioned UN program for selling food and essential supplies so the Iraq people would not starve to death.

    Lots of companies around the world were selling stuff to Iraq.

    2. Nothing wrong with Howards Pacific Solution. We went from spending $140M/ year on our whole detention center network and only 6 boat people in detention in 2007 to spending billions/year more with thousands of men, women and children locked up.

    What a waste of money.

    And yeah we are now paying $12B/year in interest on the debt Labor produced. What a waste.

    So i do hate the ALP.

  459. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 5, 2014 5:51 pm

    I saw it there, egg, and read a few reviews of the book. The basic idea that the things that caused the growth enjoyed by the boomers are one-off events sounds plausible.

    The consequence may be “that without that growth, social and political strains will worsen.” as one of the reviews notes.

  460. TB Queensland permalink
    May 5, 2014 6:11 pm

    The commenters on Catallaxy explain it far better than I could …

    This intergenerational conflict is silly and I suspect “made up” crap to flog poorly researched and opinionated books … by thoroughly biased and opinionated authors …

    I have commented here many times on my views (opinions – but free 🙂 ) regarding euthanasia …

  461. May 5, 2014 6:27 pm

    “meta has been with us all these years too and i always appreciate him popping in, it’s a bit like a brain puzzle to make us think – thanks mets.”

    Indeed! One of my all time favourite commenters on any blog. So much food for thought. Non-confrontational, laterally engaging.

    ” I sense a falling out between the two stalwarts.”

    Certainly not from my pov, I can’t speak for Tony…but he is an adult (and one of those here whom I feel I can argue with without him getting all pissy).
    Last time we interacted, mayhaps I should have acknowledged that I’d deliberately misrepresented his position & painted him as a Bolt disseminator…but I see that as goading, not an assertion & there’s no fun in conceding. 🙂
    I actually agree with many of his opinions; the individual should be sacrosanct. Outside of the stuff which is lifted from PJmedia-like sources.

  462. May 5, 2014 6:29 pm

    “meta has been with us all these years too and i always appreciate him popping in, it’s a bit like a brain puzzle to make us think – thanks mets.”

    I AGREE! 🙂

  463. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 6:29 pm

    ‘…the things that caused the growth enjoyed by the boomers are one-off events sounds plausible.’

    Possibly.

  464. May 5, 2014 6:31 pm

    RE the generational thing…

    Branding (any) entire generation in a generic way is retarded. I’ve worked with 50+yo’s who act like they’re 9yo’s & I’ve worked with 20yo’s who display the acumen of seasoned pros.
    When they were born had fuck all to do with it. People should be judged on how you find them to be as individuals; in a personal environment.
    Benefit of the doubt & all that.

  465. May 5, 2014 6:33 pm

    Just so it’s clear, I harbour no animosity towards anyone currently here.

    I don’t see fellow blog commenters as a threat, like say someone trying to break into my house or poison my pets or abduct my offspring etc.

  466. May 5, 2014 6:35 pm

    ””’The Libs grabbed the baton and are running backwards with it””’

    ROFLMAO

    #1950`s here we come

  467. May 5, 2014 6:47 pm

    “Branding (any) entire generation in a generic way is retarded”

    I think it’s time we stopped using the term “retarded” as a derogatory description. Just like we should stop saying “that’s so gay” as meaning “lame” or calling people “spastic”..

    #Justsayin

  468. May 5, 2014 6:50 pm

    “Just so it’s clear, I harbour no animosity towards anyone currently here.”

    Fair enough.

    And just so it’s clear, I try to be fairly tolerant too.

    However when some cunts just turn up to be difficult, it stretches my patience.

    How’s your new blog coming along Egg…..?

  469. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 7:02 pm

    Slowly, having trouble with the code.

  470. May 5, 2014 7:15 pm

    You don’t say.

  471. May 5, 2014 7:30 pm

    Kneel.. your fucktarery never cieces to amazme me…. a stratospheric talent for first class cuntery. (pardon my french ladies)

    How’s your new blog bog coming along Egg…..?
    Nicely I suspect

    Fibers bottom line V’s Copper is about the same

    .. oh How I laughed and laughed..

    Fuck I’m sharin that one with a few of my mates.. we all used to terminate 600 pair cables as apprentices dreaming of the day when fibre would replace copper that was 1983…

    Fast forward to 2014 and we have imbecile know alls telling us that something that has infinitely more capacity is just the same as the perfectly adequate, copper network that should have been retired in the mid 90’s and now is completely fucked, past its use by date, devoid of records and becoming more expensive to maintain that it generates in revenue…

    NEWSFLASH THE COPPER NETWORK IS FALLING APART AND FUCKED. IT WAS FUCKED 15 YEARS AGO AND IT DONT GET BETTER WITH AGE (capps means shouting right?)

    Oh how I laugh at such stupidity from polemic wankery of those who have never worked in the industry yet, read a blog and become overnight experts.. Hey fuckwits order ADSL in Dungog see how ya travelin 🙂

    Like Malcolm quoting Lab speed tests over new cable using vectoring to be implemented on a network that you are flat out finding a working “O” pair on that isnt HR delivering ADSL that has been demuxed 3 times and twice again off cashed servers…..

    Maybe I should write an economic blog with Kneel as a guest contributor 🙄

  472. May 5, 2014 7:32 pm

    One of those gift moments on TV…
    http://s123.photobucket.com/user/rickypann/library/Trolls

  473. May 5, 2014 7:52 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/exclusive-photos-james-packer-nine-ceo-david-gyngell-in-street-brawl/story-fnki1jcy-1226905548828

    200 grand for the photos now that is a good earner !!! Maybe Hokey staged this to take the heat of…lol 🙂

  474. May 5, 2014 9:02 pm

    “I think it’s time we stopped using the term “retarded” as a derogatory description.”

    Fair enough. Point Taken.

    I tend to use it as part of the vernacular, without thinking. I certainly mean no offense by it, but in hindsight I can comprehend where it may cause offense.
    As always, if I meant to offend, I’d be less than subtle about it.

  475. egg permalink
    May 5, 2014 9:17 pm

    ‘As always, if I meant to offend, I’d be less than subtle about it.’

    ** chuckle **

  476. May 5, 2014 9:30 pm

    If I offend, get fucked you deserve it…. Especially you Dolt, fanboy of the facile fact deficit, fiberal following, fucktard fools 🙂

  477. May 5, 2014 10:10 pm

    AWESOME BOMB on Q and A !!!!!!!! Ambushed PYney winey Turned off Pyne bullshitting to cut to Katie Noonan doing hearts a mess !!!!

  478. May 5, 2014 10:38 pm

    l must say Mr-Poodle shits me to death Ricky, there is never any worthwhile or truthful answer from him. #mincing

    At least Mr-Talkbull will usually answer properly. Just not on the #nbn, that`s always bullshit.

  479. May 5, 2014 11:02 pm

    No doubt it will be the subject of much feral Murdochery and blogespheric castigation from team teabag I suspect, yet its good to see in an age of apathy. You just look at Pyne and think , How the fuck did this tool end up as education minister?….

  480. May 6, 2014 12:27 am

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/joe-hockey-seeks-legal-advice-over-corporate-donor-accusations/story-fn59niix-1226905678676#

    Joes Upset… the little whore is getting lawyerd up? what does he charge for a blow job arhh hand job hmm lap dance mmm jerk circle sorry the full Joe friendship board room experience, whers he’s all over you like a News corp watermark…. 22k is it ? He should get Thommo I heard he’s good at party entertainment organise’in.

  481. May 7, 2014 9:51 am

    Even the worlds laziest treasurer (Kneels hero) thinks this idea is shit from an ass trumpet
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/06/peter-costello-debt-levy-no-benefit

  482. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2014 10:30 am

    ICAC getting warmer:

    The Independent Commission Against Corruption’s investigation is inching closer to the Prime Minister’s office.

  483. May 7, 2014 11:04 am

    So its interesting to know just how much this little exercise is costing whilst everyone but big business is doing the heavy lifting. So this is Abbott cancelled his trip to Bali … not content with intercepting a boat on the high seas, they are using it as a taxi? Surely this is illegal under international law.. Morrison must go.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-navy-turns-back-asylum-seeker-boat-to-indonesia-after-loading-three-extra-people-20140506-zr55k.html

  484. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2014 11:06 am

    So this is how a competitive tender process works:

    While Gazals paid $137k to Eightbyfive re Orange Grove Westfield quietly paid $150k to Free Enterprise Found. For fed Libs, natch #icac— Neil Chenoweth (@NeilChenoweth) May 7, 2014

  485. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2014 11:10 am

    “I think it’s time we stopped using the term “retarded” as a derogatory description.”

    will intellectual disability suffice?

    is fucktardery allowed? I find that quite descriptive myself, would hate to see that go 😉

  486. May 7, 2014 11:14 am

    “The Independent Commission Against Corruption’s investigation is inching closer to the Prime Minister’s office.“

    And they opened the box.!!!! Goes to how fucking stupid and arrogant these idiots are, you’d think that if you had all this shit on your shoes, you would’nt stamp your feet on the white shag pile and say the footprints leading back to your stinky chair “wasn’t me”:-)

  487. May 7, 2014 11:20 am

    is fucktardery allowed?

    Surely it’s a mandatory descriptor that defines this political age?

  488. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2014 11:27 am

    “The Independent Commission Against Corruption’s investigation is inching closer to the Prime Minister’s office.“

    I think he knew it was in the works and it was the very reason that as soon as in office he made a rule that there could not be political lobbyists and liberal office holders, they had to be one or the other but not both. Was it downer that immediately resigned a position?

    trying to limit the damage?

  489. Tom ofMelbourne permalink
    May 7, 2014 12:11 pm

    ‘fucktardry’…a treasure of the English language, 10 letters that describe so much.

  490. egg permalink
    May 7, 2014 2:10 pm

    Ex PM Gets Mention

    ‘THE corrupt former AWU official who has confessed to fraudulently using a slush fund that was set up two decades ago based on advice from his friend and lawyer, Julia Gillard, is set to be the first witness in public hearings of the national Royal Commission into union graft and wrongdoing.

    ‘Ralph Blewitt’s legal associate and adviser, Harry Nowicki, told The Australian today that Mr Blewitt has been asked to be in Sydney on Monday morning for at least a day of testimony at retired High Court justice Dyson Heydon’s Royal Commission.’

    Hedley Thomas / Oz

  491. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2014 2:23 pm

    Looks like I won’t get much done next week, what with ICAC and the RC in session.

    Seriously though, it is healthy for our politics that the burning rays of public exposure are being directed into the darker recesses power.

  492. egg permalink
    May 7, 2014 3:24 pm

    It brings me great joy to witness the unravelling.

  493. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2014 3:30 pm

    I haven’t been ravelled for a while. A $17.50 foot massage from Warren Truss might be nice.

  494. May 7, 2014 3:37 pm

    Seriously though, it is healthy for our politics that the burning rays of public exposure are being directed into the darker recesses power.

    Its a great thing Splatter, almost like a reformat and clean install.

    Ironically it all goes down when the last 2 years have been arguably the high watermark of complete political idealogue fucktardery, lies and competence without precedent….. The arrogance and stupidity of the Fiberal Dohalition in lighting this fuse then sitting on the dynamite is to be enjoyed with much knee slapping, joyous, side splitting laughter 🙂

  495. May 7, 2014 3:45 pm

    I haven’t been ravelled for a while. A $17.50 foot massage from Warren Truss might be nice.

    I’d pay $20 for Hardsuker to clip my toenails and clean my shitter with a toothbrush.. pretty much the worth of his ability a a politition..

  496. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2014 3:52 pm

    There is laughter at the money-grubbing stupidity of the excuses, and some satisfaction that corruption is being exposed but in the end it is a sad state of affairs that so many have been able to so easily rort the system. Obeid & Co may even get to keep a big chunk of their ill-gotten gains.

  497. May 7, 2014 4:15 pm

    Obeid & Co may even get to keep a big chunk of their ill-gotten gains.

    Don’t bank on that… I’d say he will do some time and they will hit the cocky prick for six… Robertson has him and Trapodi in his sights… my feel is he will sqweel like the pig he is, burnin and churnin for a plea bargain… This is far from over, they have big plans for Eddie O plead I recon Eric Roozendaal and Arbib are shitting bricks over that Maroubra property deal with the devil 🙂

  498. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 7, 2014 4:45 pm

    Yes. Arbib left in rather a hurry, didn’t he? And Roozendal is probably still in their sights. They didn’t quite stitch him up last time.

  499. egg permalink
    May 7, 2014 4:49 pm

    ‘…almost like a reformat and clean install.’

    True, nicely put.

  500. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2014 7:53 pm

    Seriously though, it is healthy for our politics that the burning rays of public exposure are being directed into the darker recesses power.

    Totally agree, I’d be happy to get rid of the current lot and start again from scratch with a national integrity commission. The corruption is entrenched and the rules favour the two majors.

  501. May 7, 2014 8:06 pm

    ”””corruption is entrenched and the rules favour the two majors.”””

    agree, and have you noticed the `rules` they `both` are trying to change, is making things a lot harder for indies/minors to get into the senate

  502. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2014 9:45 pm

    …agree, and have you noticed the `rules` they `both` are trying to change, is making things a lot harder for indies/minors to get into the senate…

    yes I did! clive and the greens must have got them rattled, so instead of cleaning up their acts, they look to how they can further game the system.

    also, the commission of audit’s rubbery figures.

    Tony Shepherd’s numbers on health don’t add up:

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/tony-shepherds-numbers-on-health-dont-add-up-20140505-zr511.html#ixzz311gv8pQ4

  503. May 7, 2014 10:16 pm

    AO you only had to see Shepard before the senate committee grilled my an actual MD, on lateline the other night and add the fact that they added lowering the minimum wage outside the scope of brief to see that the Con Mission of Audacity is steeped in ideology as opposed to economics. Its a shabby sham exercise run by incompetents without and due consultation with experts or industry stakeholders; other than that Fiberal lobby group “the open for fiberal business council”

  504. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 7, 2014 11:47 pm

    Ricky I agree that the Commission is steeped in ideology, but not incompetent, it was very deliberate and designed to scare, have people worried to death. Abbott and hockey will come out on budget day as our soft hearted saviours, sparing us from the pain of the ideologues [so they hope anyway]

  505. May 9, 2014 7:14 pm

    armchair””””Tony Shepherd’s numbers on health don’t add up””’

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/tony-shepherds-numbers-on-health-dont-add-up-20140505-zr511.html#ixzz311gv8pQ4
    [ao`s link]

    while l don`t know enough medical data me`self, shepard seems to be pushing/skewing data to fit mr-rabbit`s ideology/agenda,

    shepard claims 11-visits.p.a to quack per person, the `other`mob claim 5.6-visits.p.a, and they study this data every year, and they seem to identify `linked` faults that will flow-thu from the `visit-fee`, which seems similar to the dental false economy,

    shepard smells fishy

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