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Meth use at “Pandemic Levels” in Australia

April 29, 2014
Authorities concede, drug seizures are just "the tip of the iceberg"

Authorities concede, drug seizures are just “the tip of the iceberg”

Hardly a day goes by without a former Olympian, football player or other so-called “celebrity” being found with drugs, or worse still dying prematurely due to self harm or injury as a result of drug abuse.

According to latest figures released this week, an illicit drug arrest was made every six minutes and a seizure every seven minutes while authorities seized about $2.7billion worth of drugs last year alone.

Authorities readily concede that even these startling figures represent just a fraction of the prevalence of drug use in society.

Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner  Graham Ashton said the drugs being discovered by authorities were “only the tip of the iceberg”.

“We’re never going to police our way out of the drug problem in Victoria. In fact, we’ve really only got a tip of the iceberg and that’s all we’ll ever have,” he said.

“We’re in the supply suppression business in policing.”

Seizures and arrests of almost every class of drug were at record levels, according to the ACC’s Illicit Drug Data report, released today at the Alfred Hospital.

This trend was also reflected in trafficking levels, with unprecedented drugs seizures and arrests on Australian borders.

The rapid spread of the highly addictive street drug ice, also known as crystal meth, was singled out as one of the most troubling pictures to emerge from the report.

ACC chief executive officer  Chris Dawson described the ice situation as “a pandemic” affecting every Australian, beyond the users themselves.

“Its larger than just simply a major problem,” he said, comparing the trend of ice in Australia to the rampant spread of crack cocaine addition in the United States.

“It rips families apart,” Mr Dawson said. “It’s not just about law enforcement, this is a national problem in which we need education and health to join with the community.”

Mr Dawson said Australia’s wealth made it an attractive target for organised criminal syndicates within Australia and from outside its borders.

Mr Ashton said ice had presented “a kind of drug problem that we haven’t seen previously.”

“The crime consequences, the health consequences, particularly in rural Victoria, is really significant and it’s something that we haven’t seen before,” he said.

Minister for Justice Michael Keenan said strike forces had been established and embedded within each state to target the criminal gangs who “continue to profit from their misery”.

The government has also committed $88 million to customs and border protection for cargo screening, he said.

Australian Federal Police Commissioner Tony Negus said the illicit drug network had evolved and diversified considerably over the past decade, but authorities were also adapting their policing.

Despite inroads that have been made to disrupt drug trafficking, including the creation of a taskforce targeting Australia’s ports, Mr Negus said he believed the illicit drugs market remained “the principal” source of income for organised crime.

“The high Australian dollar combined with. .. our apparent insatiable appetite for illicit drugs will continue to make us a target for international drug traffickers and criminal syndicates,” Mr Negus said.

Alfred Hospital CEO Associate Professor Andrew Way said the hospital’s nurses and doctors were increasingly seeing the “devastating effects” of illicit drugs on patients and their families.

Odyssey House’s James Pitts said there had been growth in the amphetamine sector over the past five years with the decrease in availability of heroin and the growth of drugs markets in South East Asia.

“Whenever a particular drug is prevalent in the public domain, then for people who it has had an adverse affect on, there’s usually a two-year lag before you see it in the data,” he said.

 

 

 

 

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101 Comments leave one →
  1. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:30 pm

    ‘Crystal meth made in laboratories in North Korea is flooding the world’s drugs market, with shipments ferried through China to distribute across the globe.

    ‘In the U.S. police officers have intercepted batches of the highly addictive drug, that were bound for New York after being produced in Kim Jong-un’s Communist state.

    ‘Analysis of the highly potent drugs – which come in the form of ice-like crystals which are smoked, to provide a powerful and near-immediate hit – showed they were up to 99 per cent pure.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2613747/Brea-KIM-bad-Crystal-Meth-North-Korea-floods-drug-markets.html#ixzz30G4MBHqZ
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  2. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 5:45 pm

    Time they gave up and just legalised drugs.
    But then, what would the plods do all day, would they all disappear from the mean streets of suburbia? What would the conservatives have to crow about if it’s not ‘tough on crime’ and fear of bikies terrorists/drug racketeers. Where will it end???

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:11 pm

    And if celebrities and pollies get caught doing the wrong thing – they do feel ashamed … what more can you ask?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Time they gave up and just legalised drugs.

    Mmmm … sarc, KL?

    Time they made smoking illegal …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ‘Crystal meth made in laboratories in North Korea is flooding the world’s drugs market, with shipments ferried through China to distribute across the globe.

    Just bomb the bastards and have done with it!*

  4. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:16 pm

    ‘Just bomb the bastards and have done with it!*’

    That’s one option.

    Lets not forget how the Brits forced the Chinese to smoke opium grown in India.

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:24 pm

    Mmmm … sarc, KL?

    not at all TB, if it was legalised, the drugs would be controlled and safer, the users monitored and the black market for them would not exist, stopping a lot of crime like house break-ins and robberies for drug money.
    So many people would not be jailed for non-violent crime, giving them a chance to turn their lives around.

  6. April 29, 2014 6:35 pm

    “the drugs would be controlled and safer”

    Perhaps with heroin, but I don’t think the same “rules” apply to meth.

    Unlike heroin, there is no pharmaceutical equivalent of meth.

    And besides, many heroin users feel that methadone is just State-sanctioned heroin. Just like heroin, methadone is highly addictive and has its own withdrawal symptoms.

    Those on methadone often fell as tho they’ve just got a new dealer – the govt (and the pharmaceutical companies who make it).

  7. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:36 pm

    Drug Law Reform would empty the gaols, but meth is seriously nasty and we need to have a debate before proceeding.

  8. Sir Walrus of the White Capped Waves permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:42 pm

    “”Perhaps with heroin, but I don’t think the same “rules” apply to meth.”

    Meth is a vile drug. Innocent people are put at terrible risk due to users who become extremely violent.

    I have a shared office at Rushcutters Bay next to Kings X and sometimes I drive thru the “”X”” to get to it.

    You can spot the long term meth users a mile off and quite often they are kicking the shit out of each other rolling in the gutter screaming with cops rushing down the street towards them.

    IT IS BAD SHIT and anyone dealing in it is worse than a heroin dealer I think.

  9. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:42 pm

    Meth is a designer drug originally produced by the US army to keep battle weary soldiers awake and alert.

  10. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:44 pm

    And I totally agree with Sir Walrus.

  11. April 29, 2014 6:45 pm

    “Time they gave up and just legalised drugs.”

    If only it was so easy. I think with regards to cannabis, ecstasy, cocaine, speed and heroin that should be the case.

    The difference is when it comes to meth, bath salts and new emerging drugs like Sisa and Krokodil. Those drugs can send people completely off the planet.

    And then there all the synthetic drugs which are creating a whole new market of their own.

    The reality is that as a society we’ve never before faced such a veritable menu of drugs – widely available to buy online without fear of repercussion.

    When we see that even Uni graduates can’t get jobs these days it’s little wonder that the unemployed and the downtrodden will turn to drugs to escape.

  12. Tony permalink
    April 29, 2014 6:58 pm

    I agree with armchair opinionator.

  13. April 29, 2014 6:58 pm

    “IT IS BAD SHIT and anyone dealing in it is worse than a heroin dealer I think.”

    Completely agree Walrus.

    And the dealers are fkn cunts..

    Keeping that in mind, many “new users” are duped into taking meth cos it may be presented to them in pill or powder form and mixed with other drugs.. They might think they’re taking speed, cocaine or ecstasy but in reality are taking something that’s cut with meth or some other shit.

    And then of course, there are those dealers who will sell anything to support their own habit…

    When I see these people on the street or on public transport I have little sympathy, but at some point I can’t help but thinking they were once decent people or at least a victim of circumstances they were confronted with.

    It’s a sad indictment on our society that we don’t to more to help these people (other than arrest them which seems like a complete waste of time, money and effort), but then I don’t have any answers either.

    But it’s clear the current approach isn’t working.

  14. April 29, 2014 7:05 pm

    “I agree with armchair opinionated.”

    The “legalise everything” might sit comfortably with the Liberal Party’s notion of personal responsibility.

    It’d be interesting to see how that idea flies when you have rampant meth-heads tormenting you and your neighbours and assaulting people in the streets. Not to mention how much it would add to the nation’s health bill.

    Would you like to see your tax dollars funding the habits (and health and social consequences) of meth addicts, ToSY?

  15. Tony permalink
    April 29, 2014 7:12 pm

    “Would you like to see your tax dollars funding the habits (and health and social consequences) of meth addicts, ToSY?”

    Why not? They fund every other no-hoping dead-beat dole-bludging loser already, so what’s a couple of meth addicts, more or less?

  16. April 29, 2014 7:16 pm

    I think it’s clear that the “tut tut” approach to drug use – particularly when it comes to celebrities clearly isn’t working…

    It’s almost becoming a medal of non-conformity to what “Hollywood” expects (but has always silently knew what was going on – as with Robert Downey Jnr)…

  17. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 7:28 pm

    ‘Just bomb the bastards and have done with it!*’

    Or we could wait and watch them implode.

    ‘NORTH Korea is in the grip of a methamphetamine epidemic, as drug-makers once employed to make narcotics for government export feed a growing demand from ordinary people, according to a study.

    ‘The research, based on interviews with North Korean defectors to South Korea, reveals that drug use is so routine that in some restaurants a dose of methamphetamine, or “ice”, can be ordered as casually as an espresso.

    ‘Some defectors estimate that 70 per cent of North Koreans have used methamphetamine since it began to spread among the general population.’

    Richard Lloyd Parry / Oz

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 7:34 pm

    …And besides, many heroin users feel that methadone is just State-sanctioned heroin. Just like heroin, methadone is highly addictive and has its own withdrawal symptoms.
    Those on methadone often fell as tho they’ve just got a new dealer – the govt (and the pharmaceutical companies who make it).

    Well, yes, but that is at least keeping people out of jail. I know they are replacing one addiction for another, i think that’s how it works isn’t it, same principle in replacing alcohol with god [AA]. A least they are not committing crimes to get the state sanctioned one and they are kept safe and out of jail. The hope is to break the addiction eventually. I’m not sure about the ‘state as drug dealer’ argument anyway, the state trades in babies [adoption], traffics people [asylum seekers], interferes in marriages [federal law] legal death/euthania [the terminally ill] trades body parts [organ donation] and even in whether someone who has committed a crime can profit from their actions [crime proceeds act] they are seen as good things by the community supposedly.

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 7:47 pm

    reveals that drug use is so routine that in some restaurants a dose of methamphetamine, or “ice”, can be ordered as casually as an espresso.

    that’s what I mean, the black market is so prevalent, why not bust it up and legalise drugs so the racketeers, the real criminals and death traders don’t have a product to sell. Perhaps they take ice because it’s so freely available and other less harmful drugs are prohibitively expensive [offering opinion only, i have absolutely no evidence at all].

    One mistake when young can ruin people’s lives when they are criminalised in the jail system, learn off hardened criminals or as has happened before end up dead in jail for what is a non violent, self harming crime [drugs and even driving fines] give them a chance in this shitty world to get themselves together.

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 7:53 pm

    Speed is legalised already and many kids are given it as young as five or so, methylphenidate is given to kids with ADHD and I have often wondered if that is a starter for speed addiction later. Controlled and monitored speed is given to people who have difficulty losing weight, does that cause addiction?

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 29, 2014 7:55 pm

    methylphenidate = ritalin, there’s also dexamphetamine, both for ADHD

  22. April 29, 2014 7:58 pm

    @KL 7.53pm

    Fking yes! Why are we medicating kids these days anyway?

    I was what was called a “hyperactive” child in the 1970’s… I imagine if I were a child today I’d be diagnosed with ADHD and drugged up to the eyeballs…

  23. April 29, 2014 8:00 pm

    “speed is given to people who have difficulty losing weight, does that cause addiction?

    Open for debate, but it does make them incredibly fkn irritable….!

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:09 pm

    Lets not forget how the Brits forced the Chinese to smoke opium grown in India.

    Eggsactly, egg, we visited the Golden Triangle and the Hall of Opium Museum …

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:11 pm

    Meth is a designer drug … Grrrr … I hate these terms “recreation” drug annoys the shite out of me too … and “party” drugs … all misnomers … to suck kids in … and older dummies …

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:13 pm

    I agree with armchair opinionator.

    Well it works for teenagers and alcohol so it must be OK for drugs, I suppose … hey?

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:15 pm

    I agree with sreb, @ April 29, 2014 6:58 pm

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:21 pm

    Why not? They fund every other no-hoping dead-beat dole-bludging loser already, so what’s a couple of meth addicts, more or less?

    Whoo … emotion from, ToSY …

    =================================

    *** reveals that drug use is so routine that in some restaurants a dose of methamphetamine, or “ice”, can be ordered as casually as an espresso.

    that’s what I mean, the black market is so prevalent, why not bust it up and legalise drugs so the racketeers, the real criminals and death traders don’t have a product to sell.

    But, KL, it seems state sanctioned in Korea and is running riot … maybe I should get one of these …

  29. Tony permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:22 pm

    It is not any business of the state what I CHOOSE to put into MY OWN BODY.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:31 pm

    It is not any business of the state what I CHOOSE to put into MY OWN BODY.

    I agree … but if/when it affects other people in society then it is their business … you have rights … but you also have responsibility and need to respect the rights of others …

  31. April 29, 2014 8:32 pm

    lt seems to me older generations had been too willing to slavishly follow teh-usa into their mistaken `war-on-drugs` and continue to lose said `war` for way too long.

    lf we look at places in europe that have `legalized` and `decriminalized` street-drugs, there was no huge jump in the uptake of drugs creating `new` users, but instead, the drug-taking community numbers pretty much stayed the same.

    lf previous generations had not been so quick to `outlaw` some of the other street drugs, there is a strong possibility that the extra-horrid drugs like `crocodile` would never have been created. #teabags

  32. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:38 pm

    ‘It is not any business of the state what I CHOOSE to put into MY OWN BODY.’

    But what about the fabric of society, surely governments have some responsibility in curbing bad behaviour. Shall we compare meth with alcohol, just as cheap and destructive.

    Drug Law Reform should empty the gaols and, assuming grog is put on the negotiating table, reduce the casualties in hospital emergency wards.

    Alex Wodak thinks Hockey might do something, but I can’t see it.

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:42 pm

    Problem is, tbag … that what we are talking about destroys people emotionally, psychologically and physically … very quickly …

    Personally I’ve never understood why people take drugs other than prescription drugs … and I’ve always wondered what makes them need to, what’s so wrong with their lives …

  34. April 29, 2014 8:45 pm

    it is interesting to see `our` teabags agreeing with armchair on the legalizing point, so that young people can take safe drugs, but are the same twits that champion all the corporate nonsense that has demoralized youth, by removing employment `entry` jobs and creating the `futile` outlook of their future, so end-up doing drugs, too much booze, crime, etc

  35. April 29, 2014 8:52 pm

    TB @8.42 yep, l`m exactly the same myself, never used street drugs,

    prescription drugs, l near crawled up me quacks arse when they want me to take the industry shit, l don`t trust `pharma` either,

    occasional smoke/drink, and very small quantity at that,

    but at the end of the day, the `war-on-drugs` has lost solidly for 40-years, only fools would stick with it, must try something/anything else

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:57 pm

    It is reasonable to expect plenty of regulation around stuff that preys on human weakness and addiction

  37. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 8:58 pm

    Like corruption, intoxicants override political, cultural and financial barriers.

  38. Tony permalink
    April 29, 2014 9:14 pm

    “it is interesting to see `our` teabags agreeing with armchair”

    Only in your “mind”, and only because of your ridiculous pigeon-holing.

    Once the penny drops and you realise there aren’t just two types of commenters here – “teabags” and non-teabags – you might not find it so “interesting”.

    If you’d care to read what some of us actually say, rather than what you expect your stereotyped enemy to say, the scales might just fall from your eyes.

  39. April 29, 2014 9:16 pm

    ”””””””’It is reasonable to expect plenty of regulation around stuff that preys on human weakness and addiction”””””’

    just as long as it`s not `gambling` or chemical laced food huh.? #teabags

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2014 9:24 pm

    What a f**kwit.

    Of course it includes gambling.

    What chemicals are you referring to?

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 9:26 pm

    LOL! @ ToSY … fired up tonight! (Are you watching MKR and all tense? Chuckle …)

  42. April 29, 2014 9:38 pm

    ””””””’just two types of commenter`s here – “teabags” and non-teabags”””””’

    agree Tinfoil`osy, teabags tend to chant mindlessly the usual teabag-talk-points, without possessing any fcuking knowledge on the topic, #ie-foxtardnews

    while there are others that can discuss stuff coz they actually do have knowledge on stuff, and happy to call`em #`non-teabags`

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 9:42 pm

    Of course it includes gambling.

    … but does it work?

    I’m convinced the world is full of moronic wankers … I watch them every morning as they drive to work with their heads down texting away … and I’ve completely lost interest in most team sports … amazed at what people do in super markets … and the gormless chatter by daft parents when I pick up my g/kids from school … or the yobbos who occasionally appear in my street early in the morning pissed as parrots, just as noisy and brains as tiny … or the ones who rip street signs and/or saplings out of the footpath as they drop their Macca wrappings up and down every street in the neighbourhood, presumably their “right” to destroy property and think its amusing …

    Legalise? What difference would it really make? Maybe we start with tackling the parents of these dickheads … the ones who never seem to know how to bring kids up and mostly think after telling their kids to stop three times, think “its illegal to smack them” so just shrug … as I said, morons … bring back physical discipline in schools and the home … if that’s what it takes …

    A thought has always crossed my mind (after working closely with two single mums and a single mum family member) … that that may be part of the problem – they become more than over protective they try to become a friend … and they rarely have appropriate male support …

    Why make everything so fkn easy that no-one cares about consequences anymore …

  44. April 29, 2014 9:43 pm

    ””’What chemicals are you referring to?”””

    the food additives used in packaged food products, the enhanced salts, sugars and fats that react like drugs do to makes consumers eat/buy more of them

  45. Tony permalink
    April 29, 2014 9:43 pm

    #liketalkingtoawall

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2014 9:45 pm

    the food additives used in packaged food products…

    Are they regulated now? I’m quite happy to have more regulation.

    F**kwit assigns opinions to people, usually incorrectly.

    (dId I mention that he’s f**kwit?)

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    April 29, 2014 9:46 pm

    BTW that is not an attack on single mums … as I say, I have personal understanding of the trials they have to overcome … most successfully …

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2014 9:56 pm

    It’s also reasonable to point out that the exchanges here are almost always civil, thoughtful and intelligent,…other than those involving the f**kwit – “teabagz”

  49. April 29, 2014 9:59 pm

    that`s a good rant TB @9.42, and can`t say l disagree with it,

    l would just point out, where did the fcukwits in Govt think society would go, when they started trashing so many industries/jobs, they didn`t seem to know the saying

    `idle hands are the devils workshop`, and l reckon things will get worse on the drug, crime and poverty front, as l don`t see anybody of caliber at the Federal or State/s level

  50. April 29, 2014 10:07 pm

    Its rife in Sydney… Prohibition is not working only providing monetary incentive to criminal gangs. Its a cross ethnic gang thing too. this shit is cheap and very very nasty.

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 29, 2014 10:14 pm

    and l reckon things will get worse on the drug, crime and poverty front, as l don`t see anybody of caliber at the Federal or State/s level intelligent contribution front, if this f**kwit continues

  52. egg permalink
    April 29, 2014 10:45 pm

    This quote is unrelated, but I couldn’t resist the temptation.

    “The world can no longer rely on methadone every day. Sooner or later we need to wean ourselves off and that’s what tapering is about.”

    Joe Hockey

  53. April 29, 2014 11:23 pm

    in case of reheated . . . http://i.imgur.com/23PzD.jpg

  54. April 30, 2014 12:19 am

    I think tosy’s stance is entirely consistent with a libertarian viewpoint. To me his socially progessive [drugs & abortion] views are what sets him as a libertarian apart from the retarded teabags. We have probably arrived at the same view on the decriminalisation of drugs from opposing stances though 😉

    I’m with ricky, we’ve tried prohibition, it certainly has not worked it has only made the worst of society very wealthy. Let’s try something else.

    …BTW that is not an attack on single mums … as I say, I have personal understanding of the trials they have to overcome…

    it sounded like some judgement and prejudice to me TB. it’s not only the female’s fault in these things. is it her fault she’s on her own raising a child? I don’t know anyone who would voluntarily choose that hardship in life. Male support is great when it’s forthcoming.

    Physical discipline and assault as metered out by males is an issue that society is still grappling with DV, RC into sexual abuse, rape or male on male violence etc. It’s not the answer to child behaviour, positive parenting is.

  55. April 30, 2014 1:34 am

    ”””is it her fault she’s on her own raising a child?”””

    some single women say fcuk putting up with some drop-kick male, and go it alone, and `choose` to have kid/s without the male/s beyond `fertilization`, (`fault` doesn`t quite sound correct either) not claiming this is a `majority` either, just saying `some`

    .

    ””’bring back physical discipline in schools and the home””’

    l understand where ya`comin from TB, don`t agree with `institutions` whackin`kids, it is the parents responsibility to raise AND `discipline` their kid/s, only if necessary `whack`, the trouble from top down in society, every fcuker is demanding their `rights` and abdicating their `responsibility/s`, just like Govt/s

  56. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 6:48 am

    ‘I’m with ricky, we’ve tried prohibition, it certainly has not worked it has only made the worst of society very wealthy. Let’s try something else.’

    I’m with that.

  57. April 30, 2014 8:02 am

    It is not any business of the state what I CHOOSE to put into MY OWN BODY.’

    I understand that that’s been your long held position ToSY, and while that’s fine with regards to smoking and drinking and the like, where you can largely poison yourself without affecting others to any significant degree, what about when people take meth and lose all connection with reality and murder their kids or other innocent bystanders when they’re out of their minds….?

    The current approach of criminalising users isn’t working, and unlike heroin, there is no effective alternative “substitute” medication for meth, so treatment options are largely ineffectual.

    These drugs are more widely available in society then ever before (as well as all the synthetics that mimic the effects of the real thing), and with youth unemployment skyrocketing I suspect the situation is only going to get worse.

  58. April 30, 2014 8:17 am

    I’m not fond of the drug culture but I am pro choice. The Hypocrisy of society in regard to drugs is astounding. You can get pissed but not stoned legally? How incredulously stupid the moralists are as the polly’s line up for their fix of liquor, tobacco and gaming taxes.There is way too much moralising in regard to the drug debate , especially from the christians who seem to think the Jesus drug is the answer to everything. Its a public health issue, not a law and order issue. The injecting room is a good example where the christian moralists opposed it but never went to the Kross.

    We have teams of drug dogs patrolling trains with a 15% strike rate catching people with pot in their pocket whilst criminal gangs, Bikie gangs infiltrated by Lexus driving Lebs, Triads, corrupt Coppers and the likes of the Ibrahim’s are moving tons of this shit getting filthy rich.

    Decriminalisation or legalisation comes with a stigma of tacit approval which is complete bullshit. Its the only option left as history has proven prohibition is not and has never worked. We need the money wasted on policing to be spent on education and prevention.

    The war on drugs was lost years ago, it was financed by Dupont and the Drug companies, moralised by the Christian right, profited by the criminals and publicised by the politicians being seed to uphold our morality.

    Its simple; remove incentive and you remove a large part of the problem. Remove illegality and you remove defiance. Tell people they can’t do what they want with their body, you are a fucking idiot. The longer we allow people who moralise on drugs to control the debate the more we have crims rubbing their hands together with glee shouting “Praise the Lord, I’m rich at last”.

  59. April 30, 2014 8:24 am

    The current approach of criminalising users isn’t working, and unlike heroin, there is no effective alternative “substitute” medication for meth, so treatment options are largely ineffectual.

    Absolutely Reb its a public health issue that is feeding criminality. Also congrats on blogosphere discourse milestone (pops cork of a nice metaphoric red and pours you a glass) 🙂

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 30, 2014 8:49 am

    Addiction can’t be regarded as a choice, it therefore requires regulation.

  61. Sir Walrus of the White Capped Waves permalink
    April 30, 2014 8:52 am

    “”I think tosy’s stance is entirely consistent with a libertarian viewpoint””

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………….!

    “”Libertarians”” = Anarchists in suits

    LOL

  62. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 9:16 am

    ‘drinking and the like, where you can largely poison yourself without affecting others to any significant degree’

    Alcohol is still the most dangerous drug in society, just sayin’.

  63. April 30, 2014 9:24 am

    “Decriminalisation or legalisation comes with a stigma of tacit approval which is complete bullshit. Its the only option left as history has proven prohibition is not and has never worked”

    Once again, I think decriminalisation is appropriate for drugs like heroin, cocaine and cannabis, but completely the wrong solution for meth.

    Unlike the other drugs mentioned when you someone is slamming meth their behaviour is going to be completely unpredictable. It’s not like heroin where we can dish it out it an injecting room and then let them dose off for a couple of hours.

  64. Tony permalink
    April 30, 2014 9:33 am

    “what about when people take meth and lose all connection with reality and murder their kids or other innocent bystanders when they’re out of their minds….The current approach of criminalising users isn’t working”

    Correct. So isn’t it time we tried a different approach?

    (Homicide is a crime, whether the murderer is under the influence or not:
    “The [Victorian Law Reform] Commission does not believe defences to homicide should excuse a person from criminal responsibility simply on the basis he or she was drunk or under the influence of drugs at the time.”
    Page 32: http://www.lawreform.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/FinalReport.pdf)

  65. Tony permalink
    April 30, 2014 9:39 am

    I know I’ve posted this before, but it bears repeating: Milton Friedman – Why Drugs Should Be Legalized

  66. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 9:41 am

    ‘So isn’t it time we tried a different approach?’

    Definitely and it will be very lucrative.

  67. April 30, 2014 9:46 am

    Addiction can’t be regarded as a choice, it therefore requires regulation.

    What an oddly pompous and sanctimonious thing to say.

    “”Libertarians”” = Anarchists in suits

    Libertarians are about the furthest from liberated I can surmise. Most Libertarians are the polar opposite of what they claim to uphold they are the real political oxymorons.

    My mate sent me an instagram a few days ago from Europe of a pack of Benzo’s he bought over the counter. Here they are heavily regulated to save ourselves from the moral imperative that we will all get hooked on them, what bullshit. This alcohol good everything else bad yarn is just stupidity wrapped in the weight of lobbyists agenda. Drug companies love regulation it makes the way more money. Alcohol, Sugar and Tobacco are all by far the most destructive drugs we have and they are 100% sanctioned legal t the point where they are not even on the “Drug” debate radar….

    Meth is a huge social problem. All these dickheads that failed science at school are now chemists FFS. No quality assurance in a math lab only monetary assurance. People are mainlining this shit and going crazy….

    This is where we need a third wheel, to take on the christians hooked on the Jesus drug and fist some reality into their feeble narrow minds, instead we have the “motor enthusiasts”. Tis the dark ages.

  68. April 30, 2014 9:52 am

    This is from 2006, around 6 years into the epidemic..its 2014.. Where is the political will?
    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20060320/

  69. Tony permalink
    April 30, 2014 9:55 am

    “Libertarians are about the furthest from liberated I can surmise. Most Libertarians are the polar opposite of what they claim to uphold they are the real political oxymorons.”

    Sounds like you’re speaking from a position of ignorance, Ricky.

    http://www.libertarianism.org/

    http://blog.libertarian.org.au/

  70. April 30, 2014 9:57 am

    Its a public health issue, not a law and order issue.

    That is the guts of it. So is smoking, gambling & alcohol, the community [taxpayer] pays huge amounts to assist when people get hooked on these. I have long been a believer in a forced ‘public health tax’ on the makers of these products as they keep all the profits while being completely irresponsible in not compensating for the enormous public health costs to the community of broke, sick people. The industries lobby pollies and everyone they can to ensure there is as much of their products available as possible and new addicts are created over and over. That is why I don’t see it as an individual problem iin the same way as tony, it affects whole families and extends to all others as we are left to pay for the damage.

  71. Sir Walrus of the White Capped Waves permalink
    April 30, 2014 10:03 am

    “”…………..to take on the christians hooked on the Jesus drug and fist some reality into their feeble narrow minds, instead we have the “motor enthusiasts”. Tis the dark ages.””

    What the fuck have those dreaded Christians got to do with it…………….?

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 30, 2014 10:07 am

    some single women say fcuk putting up with some drop-kick male, and go it alone, and `choose` to have kid/s without the male/s beyond `fertilization`,

    So, a drop kick male is left off the hook, for causing harm to his own family, while the female ‘chooses’ to go it alone. What choice is there in saving your sanity, your kids mental/physical health and perhaps your own health? It is survival. Should they have a miserable existence because drop kick male has to be supported in the bosom of the family he terrorises or neglects?

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 30, 2014 10:10 am

    “Libertarians are about the furthest from liberated I can surmise.

    They’ll liberate you from your money in a flash 🙂

  74. April 30, 2014 10:23 am

    “Correct. So isn’t it time we tried a different approach?
    (Homicide is a crime]”

    But we already know that locking them up and/or treating them as criminals isn’t the answer…

  75. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 10:38 am

    ‘public health tax’

    Fast food needs to be severely taxed, like tobacco.

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 30, 2014 10:41 am

    What the fuck have those dreaded Christians got to do with it…………….?

    They are the ones preventing any progress on the issue, dead against things like safe injecting rooms and decriminalising drugs. These ‘good’ christians are to be found on both sides of politics [sloshed at the parliamentary bar] and together vote to prevent any changes.

    Where is the political will?

    In places like this

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    April 30, 2014 10:58 am

  78. April 30, 2014 12:08 pm

    Sounds like you’re speaking from a position of ignorance, Ricky.

    Oh yeas I have read the definitive adjective of the term, its a prime example of false advertising

    They’ll liberate you from your money in a flash 🙂

    Too right and your right to objec to their nonsense. Right up there with the self imploding donoalition calling themselves “adults” ROTFPML

    What the fuck have those dreaded Christians got to do with it…………….?

    FFS wake up Walrus Christian do good moralisers are invading very habitable nook, you just don’t notice before its too late as they are all dressed in beige with Baird’s as disguises. You can tell them apart from normal fol as they cant Rabbits favorite word NO 😉

    But we already know that locking them up and/or treating them as criminals isn’t the answer…

    Imagine if they locked up all the poeple hooked on, Sugar, Tobacco, Alcahol and Script drugs…outrage 🙄

  79. egg permalink
    April 30, 2014 12:59 pm

    Script Drugs

    Uh Oh

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    April 30, 2014 2:01 pm

    “But we already know that locking them up and/or treating them as criminals isn’t the answer…”

    Is there an answer?

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    April 30, 2014 2:17 pm

    Pompous? How’s that Ricky?

    Cigarettes, gambling, alcohol are all addictive and are the subject of increasing regulation, which is fine with me. Other activities and substances that are harmful and addictive also need plenty of regulation or prohibition.

    I’d prefer to see less harmful addictive stuff around, which is made even more difficult to access, rather than the more of it around that is even easier to get.

  82. April 30, 2014 3:28 pm

    Is there an answer?

    Good point Splatter, not a simple one that’s for sure and until people stop moralising it will get worse rather than better.

    I’d prefer to see less harmful addictive stuff around, which is made even more difficult to access, rather than the more of it around that is even easier to get.

    Well Therein lies the problem Tom. Its not about what you or society would prefer. There are many things that will be of harm to you A great many people , including myself have taken drugs recreationally and are not addicted or have addictive personalities, just as people have a flutter or a drink. The great moral challenge is not how we regulate the control of drugs, (which I’m sure we can all agree has failed miserably) ; its how we deal with the problem largely caused by the laws that have implemented to control drugs.

    Addiction in its many forms is largely a mental health issue as drugs gambling and such are just enablers for the manifestation of cause. You will never stop people taking drugs any more than you will stop them being addicted so the solution lies in ion, awareness, prevention and harm reduction. It most certainly does not reside in moral based legislative process designed to punish, which has proved futile.

    We all want to live in a society free from peril but that will not happen as violence, stupidity, criminality and depravity happens when people are under the influence of nothing more than oxygen, the most addictive of all.

  83. Sir Walrus of the Waves permalink
    April 30, 2014 3:51 pm

    “”They are the ones preventing any progress on the issue, dead against things like safe injecting rooms and decriminalising drugs.”

    Rubbish, there are plenty of non Christians against the safe injecting room at Kings Cross. Mainly retailers and residents . They certainly don’t gather under a fucking crucifix.

    Christian groups are more visible because they are more organised and generally have experienced spokespeople who can actually string a few words together.

    And I doubt there’d be many Monks or Muftis out there demanding decriminalisation.

  84. April 30, 2014 4:08 pm

    Well for a start many retailers and residents on the strip applaud the injecting room as there is less incidence of needle sticks and the health risks associated with dirty needles. What type of person would live at the Cross and complain about the vice? I guess the types than move next to a pub and complain about the noise 🙄 Those opposed to such things are just fucking stupid…yes I am generalising. Its a public health issue not a moral grandstand for the sanctimonious.

    And your point is what Walrus? These people who are opposed to drugs actually have some type of plausible solution other than moral outrage and postulating? Like Abbott on just about everything, I hear lots of opinion but fuck all solution.

    And I doubt there’d be many Monks or Muftis out there demanding decriminalisation.

    So? They are not minorities in the senate bargaining morality for infrastructure like the Christian democrats (another oxymoron)

  85. April 30, 2014 5:25 pm

    reb @8.02am”””””””””’These drugs are more widely available in society then ever before (as well as all the synthetics that mimic the effects of the real thing), and with youth unemployment skyrocketing I suspect the situation is only going to get worse.”””””””””’

    Well said reb, l notice the ice hot-spots are the same places with massive youth unemployment. The bad news is there looks to be no turn-around on the youth (or_general) unemployment in these areas, so l don`t expect much of a dent being put in `user-numbers`. Fully agree, this needs to be a `medical` issue folks, keeping `users` in the penal system is the failed, war on drugs non-answer.

  86. April 30, 2014 5:38 pm

    #dog club

    ”””””””””””They are the ones preventing any progress on the issue, dead against things like safe injecting rooms and decriminalising drugs. These ‘good’ christians are to be found on both sides of politics [sloshed at the parliamentary bar] and together vote to prevent any changes.””””””””

    ””””””preventing any progress on the issue””””””’

    #corrrect, no matter what the `issue` is, these #teabags continue to be a fcuking hand-brake that stops improvement,

    irish breakfast.? earl grey.? l don`t care what `flavor` Tinfoil`osy is. #teabags

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    April 30, 2014 6:49 pm

    it sounded like some judgement and prejudice to me TB.

    The reason for my tag, KL, it sounded like blame to me and not directed at all single mums … not what I intended – what I mean is that single mums tend to be “soft” on discipline (a guilt feeling?) and yes, men should be more responsible … you know my thoughts on that … as I said I have personally been touched by the struggles of not only (very competent) young women working with me but a family member … but I’ve seen the impact on children too … like drugs – I don’t know the answer … and Labor’s awful reduction of support was condemned by me and others here …

    Physical discipline and assault I’m afraid they are two different approaches … I applied one and suffered the other…

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The [Victorian Law Reform] Commission does not believe defences to homicide should excuse a person from criminal responsibility simply on the basis he or she was drunk or under the influence of drugs at the time.”

    But its still used a successful diminished responsibility defence …

  88. May 1, 2014 5:19 pm

    #Tinfoil of Melbourne April 29, 2014 10:14 pm

    The `cubicle` might need to reconsider that.
    Today`s news-flash said Mr-Rabbit wants to make `school-leavers` wait months, ?6?, before allowed on dole.

    #So, ya`reckon with no cash in their pockets, this will keep`em from getting involved with `street-drugs`, when `street-drugs` may be the `only` job in town in some places.

    #Let`s hear some Tinfoil Cubicle wisdom.

  89. egg permalink
    May 1, 2014 8:50 pm

    Splatter said: Is there an answer?

    There is a lack of political will and for various reasons nothing will be done in the area of drug law reform.

    ‘In its long-awaited report into the issue, the NPHA concluded that a floor price for alcohol would likely cut “crime and violence, alcohol-related disease and productivity losses”, but said overall the policy was not in the public interest.

    ‘That’s mainly because a minimum price, unlike a tax, would lead to alcohol retailers raking in bigger profits instead of more revenue going to the government to “be used to further reduce or treat alcohol-related harm”, the NPHA said.’

    AAP

  90. egg permalink
    May 1, 2014 8:59 pm

    ‘Scotland is a ‘nation of drunks’ that must end its shameful relationship with alcohol, claims Alex Salmond.

    ‘The First Minister’s outspoken attack came as his flagship policy to hike the cost of booze was hit yesterday by a legal delay of around two years.

    ‘European judges will now rule on SNP plans for a 50p-per-unit ‘minimum price’ in a move seen as a victory for the drinks industry and responsible drinkers.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2617597/Scotland-nation-DRUNKS-says-Alex-Salmond-accused-unforgivable-slur-against-country.html#ixzz30SbyMmdW
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  91. May 4, 2014 11:41 am

    “Prohibition does not work.” The Drug Policy Institute’s Professor David Pennington thinks our approach to illicit ‪#‎drugs‬ needs to change, as he tells 7.30 Vic,

    WATCH: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-02/drug-law-reformer-calls-for-policy-re-think/5427780

  92. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 11:51 am

    Pennington is correct.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2014 12:24 pm

    I remember David Pennington … I was given the responsiblity to look after him when he visited Qld for a week in the 80’s …

    … that primarily entailed picking David up from the airport (and returning him) and back and forth to hotel, speaking engagements and dinners etc …

    … very clever, knowledgeable and obviously well educated man an intersteing speaker too and for me that meant a number of really interesting one on one discussions, on a variety of subjects, his main professional “interest” then was AIDS of course … certainly has the runs on the board for his new job …

    His comments on the Portugese “experiment” struck me as worth investigating by our own authorities …

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2014 12:26 pm

    Worthwhile link too, sreb … brought back many memories …

  95. May 4, 2014 12:33 pm

    “His comments on the Portugese “experiment” struck me as worth investigating by our own authorities.”

    Yes. I thought so as well.

  96. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 12:37 pm

    ‘Yes. I thought so as well.’

    It deserves a post of its own.

  97. May 4, 2014 12:55 pm

    “It deserves a post of its own.”

    If you’d like to write it Egg, I’ll be happy to publish it for you….

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    May 4, 2014 1:10 pm

    LOL!!!

  99. egg permalink
    May 4, 2014 1:37 pm

    Splatter would be a better scribe, him being erudite and witty.

  100. May 16, 2014 2:46 am

    Reblogged this on oogenhand.

  101. geoff permalink
    February 10, 2015 5:21 am

    Ice meth is used to enslave young women, often well educated with no realistic economic feature, university’s are churning out thousands of these young women, often overseas students, these drugs relieve their depression, make them self assured and hyper sexual, the perfect product for enslavement,weather they are talked into taking it ore are forced to take it, makes no difference, they love it and will do anything to stay on it, these women are human beings, not just things, products for sale, solution drug test thousands of likely women keep them for a week then start giving them controlled doses of the drug, attach GPS bracelets to their ankles with body temperature, heart rate monitor and a microphone forget the men without the women they will cease to exist, introduce harsher penalties for drug dealers with mandated sentencing, expose get rid of the secrecy, save women from slavery, prevent millions of other women and girls from suffering the same fate,

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