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Rostrum: Special “Success” Edition!

May 9, 2014

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Success. What is it, and why is it so elusive?

To find out the answer to this question, the Gutter Trash Research Institute ventured into the public domain to discover what “real people” call “success”.

BECAUSE ENQUIRING MINDS NEED TO KNOW!

Naturally we all have our own preconceived ideas of what success might look like. Some for example, may consider accumulating mass monetary wealth as the key to ultimate happiness, however it is clear, that when billionaire bogans can end up televised around the world engaged in a Bondi beach scrag fight we can conclude that mass wealth doesn’t necessarily breed class.

Some people want to be famous, as well as rich, and when combined together the consequences can be dire.

Take Rolf Harris for example. When he is found guilty of the current child molestation charges against him, he may give pause to consider whether Jake the Peg, Two Little Boys, or the infamous wobble board were such a great idea in the first place. I always thought he was creepy and sinister as a child at the best of times.

Some people consider that having a happy family is a measure of success, but with one in two marriages ending in divorce, and one in three children being subjected to some form of abuse, the chances of ending up in familial bliss are somewhat dire.

So, armed with our trust video camera and recording device, the editorial team from the Gutter Trash Research Institute wandered over to Southern Cross Station to ask commuters what the everyday person on the street regards as their “measure of success.”

As it turns out, most people couldn’t be bothered talking to us.   The first person we approached told us to just “fuck off,” while another asked Kamahl for a rendition of Candle in the Wind.

Fortunately Kamahl is always happy to oblige, and after the first verse, a small crowd of onlookers gathered to clap and sing along. Kamahl can still hold a tune, and together with my interpretive dance routine we were a formidable duo.

While we may have become distracted from our original mission, we made $4.50 in tips which was enough to buy a coffee and Spanish donut from the Churros stall.

 

So it appears, you can buy happiness after all.

 

 

 

 

 

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189 Comments leave one →
  1. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 9, 2014 11:14 am

    “While we may have become distracted from our original mission, we made $4.50 in tips which was enough to buy a coffee and Spanish donut from the Churros stall.”

    Maybe it is the things we don’t plan that count. Or as John Lennon (or was it Rolf Harris) once sang:

    Before you cross the street
    Take my hand
    Life is what happens to you
    While you’re busy making other plans

  2. Tony permalink
    May 9, 2014 11:50 am

    Melbourne artist Courtney Barnett has been asked to play at this year’s Glastonbury Festival. A measure of her so-called success, perhaps.

  3. egg permalink
    May 9, 2014 9:17 pm

    ‘It’s a warning for any man who feels he is being constantly nagged – by his wife, the children or even the neighbours.

    ‘Researchers have found that ‘excessive demands’ from partners, family or those living nearby can more than double the risk of death in middle-age.

    ‘They say the stress caused by arguments or general worry can lead to heart disease and also lower the immune system leading to other health problems.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2623873/You-really-nagged-death-Excessive-demands-partners-double-risk-dying-middle-age.html#ixzz31DSM4Tpf
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  4. egg permalink
    May 9, 2014 10:09 pm

    ‘The exclusive modelling for News Corp Australia by the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling at the University of Canberra reveals 48 per cent of Australia’s 12.2 million “income units” pay no net tax. Any tax they do contribute is more than offset by the welfare — pensions, family tax benefits or childcare rebates — they receive.

    ‘The fiscal churn is large. How many people are paid to spend all their productive hours just managing a circle of money?

    ‘On average, Australian families will pay $12,935 in income tax this year, but receive $9,515 in benefits — leaving a net yearly contribution to the public purse of just $3424.’

    Jonova

  5. egg permalink
    May 10, 2014 8:27 am

    ‘FAIRFAX Media consultants have drawn up plans to axe the print editions of The Australian Financial Review Weekend and The Sun-Herald as part of a range of aggressive cost-saving measures that also include replacing senior journalists who leave the company with low-cost third-year trainees.

    ‘Despite repeated denials it has plans to close major newspapers, internal Fairfax Media strategy documents from mid-last year, sighted by The Weekend Australian, say the company will “explore all potential alternative print models” and will have a “watching brief dashboard on printed products”.

    Markson / Oz

  6. egg permalink
    May 10, 2014 8:35 am

    ‘SELF-STYLED Health Services Union whistleblower Kathy Jackson siphoned off almost $250,000 of members’ funds to a bank account of which she was the beneficiary, lawyers for the HSU have told the Federal Court.

    ‘An amended statement of claim accuses the former secretary of the union’s No 3 branch of misusing of her office and misappropriating union funds.’

    Wallace / Oz

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2014 9:41 am

    ‘SELF-STYLED Health Services Union whistleblower Kathy Jackson siphoned off almost $250,000 of members’ funds to a bank account of which she was the beneficiary ..

    Don’t let her champion, ToM, know!

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 10, 2014 11:38 am

    Yes TB, it is disappointing when even the self styled good guys have a dubious record.

    Nonetheless, Jackson didn’t get herself into parliament.

    There is legitimate public interest in ensuring transparency in unions and business, but when they become parliamentarians the public interest is far higher.

    But Jackson’s case probably supports my view that the IR club/union structure is stuffed and in need of reform and a massive clean out. That won’t happen without government intervention.

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    May 10, 2014 6:55 pm

    LOL! … did someone say – barons …

    A COALITION of Australia’s most powerful coal barons has warned of mine closures and job losses if the Newman Government increases royalties to help reduce debt.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/coal-bosses-warn-state-treasurer-tim-nicholls-a-hike-in-royalties-will-mean-mine-closures-and-job-losses/story-fnii5v6w-1226912342210

  10. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 8:56 am

    ‘Combined, the cost of the age pension, superannuation fees and tax concessions total almost $90 billion a year, more than three times Australia’s defence budget. Yet, as the National Commission of Audit revealed last week, more than 80 per cent of retirees still receive an age pension and will still be doing so in 2050, when compulsory superannuation will have been in place for almost 60 years. The system is failing.’

    Creighton / Oz

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2014 10:42 am

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bulkbilling-copayment-would-deter-millions-from-visiting-doctor-20140510-zr86n.html

    So, 4 in 10 would be deterred from visiting the doctor if they had to pay $6. That sounds like the intended outcome.

    It is entirely reasonable to put some form of value on community services.

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 10:44 am

    … more than 80 per cent of retirees still receive an age pension and will still be doing so in 2050, when compulsory superannuation will have been in place for almost 60 years. The system is failing.’

    1. The system was originally designed as three tier – part government pension part, personal superannuation.

    • A safety net consisting of a means-tested Government age pension system

    • Private savings generated through compulsory contributions to superannuation

    • Voluntary savings through superannuation and other investments

    2. The initial 3% was supposed to increase until it reached 12% (most “experts” agree that 15% is ideal) … but even in the boom years Howard and Costello were reluctant to adjust it …

    The Howard government was criticised by former Prime Minister Paul Keating for its reluctance to increase the compulsory rate of superannuation. Keating argued that had the compulsory rate been 15% since 1996, rather than the then 9%, total superannuation assets in Australia would be approaching $2 trillion – almost double the current level.[4]

    Of course the system is failing … just like Medicare … the Tories hate systems that provide people on low and/or fixed incomes some dignity in life … and allow them to rot and crumble – the constant cry being “user pays, user pays” … alright for some …

    … the cost of the age pension, superannuation fees and tax concessions total almost $90 billion a year, more than three times Australia’s defence budget

    So what? Are we planning to go to war somewhere?

    What a fkn stupid comparison … what about politicians current and retirement lurks and perqs … how many billions does that cost us! Federal, state and local …

    People just get sucked into the BS so easily!

  13. May 11, 2014 10:49 am

    ” what about politicians current and retirement lurks and perqs … how many billions does that cost us! Federal, state and local …”

    Exactly. Funny how those lavish expenses never rate a mention in any budget cuts.

  14. May 11, 2014 10:52 am

    A measure of success:

    When your house has a moat.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 10:53 am

    So, 4 in 10 would be deterred from visiting the doctor if they had to pay $6. That sounds like the intended outcome.

    Unfortunately ToM, the people most “hit” will be the really sick people, ie the young lad down the road who has to visit his doctor once a week … a pensioner I know who has diabetes and has to visit at least once a month …

    Unless you’ve been down to your last dollar, its difficult to understand how a simple $6.00 (or is it $7.50 now?) impost can make a difference … (I have the pieces of a “last dollar” laminated and framed in my study – I actually mowed over it – I got a job two days later … )

    Who has the right to determine how many visits a person needs to make, except their doctor …

    These are cruel, selfish days … makes me cringe to be Australian …

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 11:07 am

    A measure of success:

    When your house has a moat.

    And your brain has a portcullis …

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 11:08 am

    Hey, Happy Mums Day to all the girls who post here! 🙂

    And thanks!

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 11:40 am

    And now they really are making up shite! Liars, cheats and thieves …

    Is unimplementable even a word!

    Despite the Prime Minister pledging before the election to introduce no new taxes and now planning a deficit levy and fuel excise hike, Mr Hockey denied the government is “breaking promises”.

    “Don’t assume they are new taxes,” he said.

    “We never said that we were going to never change a tax, or alter a tax.

    “In fact we were left with 92 announced but unlegislated tax changes by Labor which we have been methodically going through, and we have been getting rid of the ones that are simply unimplementable.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/budget-2014-fuel-excise-hike-to-help-fund-more-than-80-billion-in-new-roads/story-fn84fgcm-1226913290483

    Guests arrived … see ya later …

  19. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 11:44 am

    ‘So what? Are we planning to go to war somewhere?’

    It was an odd comparison.

    Trouble is, we cannot be sure what is coming and must remain vigilant until the warring states period comes to an end.

  20. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 11:47 am

    ‘So, 4 in 10 would be deterred from visiting the doctor if they had to pay $6. That sounds like the intended outcome.’

    Indeed, for the most part its probably only for a script refill.

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2014 11:50 am

    TB, I visited a GP recently for a specialist referral, for an existing minor ailment, known to the specialist. That process of referrals is a benchmark of outrageous inefficiency and income padding in itself.

    …but my observation about the GP’s waiting room (and other people I know who visit the doctor regularly) – it seems to made up of lots of people who are looking for reassurance or company or have the sniffles.

    Supporting the high income of doctors for people looking for a little sympathetic company or something is a huge waste. If we’re going to put public funds into this, we’re better off giving it to community health centres or district nurses. They’ll do the job at about 10% of the cost.

    If a service is “free”, it will always be overused.

  22. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 11:52 am

    I agree with ToM on this issue.

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2014 12:53 pm

    It is entirely reasonable to put some form of value on community services.

    It is already valued and paid for through our taxes, gives people who are unfortunate through birth to be saddled with lifelong illness much comfort.

    You mean you want our universal health care system to be privatised through stealth with extra payments or financial contributions, directly going against the entire ethos of universal health care?

    Where does that attitude from the cigar chomping, wine slurping aficionados of “it’s not valued by the poor unless they have to pay out of their pocket for it” come from? It is pure snobbery and elitism imo.

    Some things have so much intrinsic value, they are priceless and can’t be measured by those who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/medicare-ahead-by-a-mile-in-popularity-stakes-20140510-zr8pm.html

    …Australians’ intuitive support for Medicare is backed up by international comparisons. We spend less on healthcare as a proportion of GDP than the OECD average and much less than the United States. But our health outcomes are good by world standards – only three nations have longer life expectancy at birth…

    Using your same analogy tomM, people should be paying a few thousand from their own pockets for the new jet strikers and for having the police protect the property of the wealthy.

    The bastardisation of health care is now complete, might as well say that only the wealthy can afford to have their illnesses treated, the rest will beggar themselves through no fault of their own, just the bad luck of the lottery of life.

    Then, when all is lost and people want out of it and want the relief of killing themselves, the great societal do-gooders refuse them even that dignity.

    Why should the lives of the poor and the ill have less value than those of the wealthy?

  24. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 12:56 pm

    Looking ahead, a government will have to consider taxing process foods to such a degree that people only eat rubbish once in awhile. The medical profession would enjoy less workload and taxpayers relieved.

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2014 1:01 pm

    If a service is “free”, it will always be overused.

    yeah, like politicians and their ‘entitlements’, people calling the police and the ambulance or the fire brigade, might as well make them pay and they’ll think twice. Community police used to protect private interests, there’s such a lot of that. Big business and their subsidies/incentives – how about cracking down on those services given out for free.

  26. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 1:02 pm

    ‘…the rest will beggar themselves through no fault of their own, just the bad luck of the lottery of life.’

    What we eat today, walks and talks tomorrow. Its time for a culinary revolution to save the lives of millions.

  27. May 11, 2014 1:04 pm

    ”””””””government will have to consider taxing process foods to such a degree that people only eat rubbish once in awhile”””””””’

    sensible suggestions like that dumpty, are certain to be ignored by the teabags, they don`t have the nads to stand-up to corporations on that level

  28. May 11, 2014 1:14 pm

    “sensible suggestions”

    Maybe smokers should be eligible for priority healthcare given that they have less time to live.

    #Hockeyhealthcare

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2014 1:15 pm

    What we eat today, walks and talks tomorrow. Its time for a culinary revolution to save the lives of millions.

    it’s not about the healthy and well eating fkn junk and lifestyle illness. It’s about chronic and genetic illness you fkn tool. Pehaps you should spend a year or two volunteering in a hospital and meet soome people who haven’t indulged in too much bad food or drink and are still sick.

    If it is lifestyle diseases that are placing too much pressure on the budget, then tax the fuck out of those products as prevention, not the end product of the endless production of consumerism without the burden of social responsibility eg tax the business for their cost to society.

  30. May 11, 2014 1:19 pm

    “it’s not about the healthy and well eating fkn junk and lifestyle illness. It’s about chronic and genetic illness you fkn tool. “

    LOL… Well said!

  31. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2014 1:25 pm

    Trouble is, the definition of “bad food” keeps changing.

  32. May 11, 2014 1:25 pm

    l notice `our` simpletons are still making `simple` noises,

    ”””””””””””So, 4 in 10 would be deterred from visiting the doctor if they had to pay $6. That sounds like the intended outcome.

    It is entirely reasonable””””””””

    while ignoring that `long-term-script-refills` get to hit medicare at $30-plus, which ofter involves no-check-up by the quack, but merely picking-up signed paper-work from the front counter,

    smart budget `trimming` would be standing-up to teh-ama an having a `script-only` fee in the $5-$8 range. #teabags

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2014 1:26 pm

    I really can’t see how the cost of defence can be allocated to individuals.

    On the other hand, people pay for ambulances (a particularly hefty cost for those who don’t take out additional insurance), and police have a user pays system, in that the “users” (law breakers) pay a penalty.

    Public school education is also interesting. For example there’s a high school (Balwyn High) a few kms away that achieves year 12 results about as high as many of the expensive private schools in the area. Rather than spend about $20,000 a year on school fees, many people will pay farmore for a home in the Balwyn High zone. Property prices are probably about 25% higher as a consequence. The “freeness” of the school is distorting access to it and the price of real estate in the suburb.

    Back to doctors… they’re an expensive way to provide company and reassurance. GPs earn about $150k a year, they have a booking clerk and admin, expensive equipment overheads to cover, rent. It is simply dumb not to use the expensive resource a little more sparingly and have people think about whether they need to go or not.

    There should be more pricing of “free” services to limit over use.

  34. May 11, 2014 1:26 pm

    Joe and that guy who thinks his funny doing Arnie impersonations doing some heavy lifting…

  35. Tony permalink
    May 11, 2014 1:33 pm

    For example there’s a high school (Balwyn High) a few kms away that achieves year 12 results about as high as many of the expensive private schools in the area.

    Glen Waverley High is another one. Parents (mainly Chinese) are willing to pay over the odds for real estate in the school zone so their child gets a good uni offer – without the high private school fees.

  36. May 11, 2014 1:34 pm

    If a service is “free”, it will always be overused.

    If a service is “free”, it will always be overused.
    Who’s Doctor bulk bills?

    Mine bulk bills me because I am regularly there (not as regularly as I am told) … He charges everyone else around $50 or so? My specialists charge $200 per consultation. My medication id $500 per week…

    My last operation would have costed in excess of $40 grand

    if it wasn’t for bulk billing ad the PBS, I would be dead and broke..

  37. May 11, 2014 1:41 pm

    ””There should be more pricing of “free” services to limit over use.””’

    1.they are not `free` services, they are community-paid
    2.they are not `over used`, prevention is better than `cure`

    community funded education or medical, should remain as full-range and accessible as possible, the problem is those that want to go-it-alone in `private` don`t go-it-alone financially, but bleed `community` finances, thus the tax-system is `carrying` two-systems,

    if the `wealthy` actually stopped bleeding the various community services, all the services would be in a much higher/better condition, l include the state/s level too, when it comes to north-shore public transport #teabags

  38. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 1:55 pm

    ‘It’s about chronic and genetic illness you fkn tool.’

    Hockey says they are safe, now we should turn our attention to the obesity and diabetes epidemic.

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2014 1:59 pm

    1.they are not `free` services, they are community-paid

    2.they are not `over used`, prevention is better than `cure`

    1. There is no price attached with actual use. That’s why I used inverted commas – “free”
    2. The system is clogged, and community health centres and district nurses would be better value for public money, more time and attention. GPs are on a production line of income generation, and the lack of a price promotes this.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2014 2:01 pm

    ‘It’s about chronic and genetic illness you fkn tool.’

    So apparently all that money we’re spending on promoting healthy eating and exercise is a waste of taxes too.

  41. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 2:07 pm

    ‘eg tax the business for their cost to society.’

    It won’t work in an international free market, but the government can say to the people we are tripling the tax on cheese cake and directing it to health care. Our intention is to keep you a productive member of society in the post modern era.

    If they doubled the price of Macdonalds and skimmed it as a tax for the seriously ill, few would complain except the non-voting youngsters.

    Just sayin’

  42. May 11, 2014 2:14 pm

    ””GPs are on a production line of income generation””’

    agree, as l said before,

    ””’smart budget `trimming` would be standing-up to teh-ama anD having a `script-only` fee(for-quacks-from-medicare) in the $5-$8 range. #teabags””(update)

    govt/s need to stand-up to teh-ama and big-pharma(both-overpaid) to find savings instead of basically stopping `preventative` actions of citizens and their quacks, which IS what will play-out, same as dental

  43. May 11, 2014 2:40 pm

    ”””It’s about chronic and genetic illness you fkn tool.””’
    ”””people who haven’t indulged in too much bad food or drink and are still sick.””’

    agree, l have known half a dozen people who have died over the years from cancer, none of em`smokers, big boozers, or particularly unhealthy either, and probably another half a dozen that survived cancer
    .

    ”””””If it is lifestyle diseases that are placing too much pressure on the budget, then tax the fuck out of those products as prevention,”””’

    agree with where you are coming from armchair, but l`m real skeptical that things can be `taxed` out of existence, or raise funds towards `cures/answers/etc`

    when l look at `smokes`, the level of tax has increased the price to such a point that there is a nice large margin for the black market to flourish, the so-called tax on legal `smokes` won`t be going to `prevention/health`, but more and more to `policing` in various forms, whether it be customs, courts, prisons etc

    l have actually taken to picking-up and binning `colorful` smoke packs l see on my walks, just to make sure l`m not seeing the same half-dozen packs, yesterday binned camel, today binned marlboro.

  44. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 2:51 pm

    ‘l`m real skeptical that things can be `taxed` out of existence’

    The aim is not to tax it out of existence, but to raise a huge tax to fund the best health services in the world. The tobacco tax is a good example of how it could work.

  45. May 11, 2014 2:53 pm

    Hmm health avoidance from my reality I see… Well done guys, I shall go and do some heavy lifting shall I 🙄 Pass the Cubans Joe.. its a great look, really show you care 🙂

  46. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 2:55 pm

    ‘So apparently all that money we’re spending on promoting healthy eating and exercise is a waste of taxes too.’

    Pretty much, the only thing the masses understand is a pain in the hip pocket nerve.

  47. May 11, 2014 2:55 pm

    may be I could do a Tony Robbins and the power of positive delusional thinking could ,make it alright 🙄

  48. May 11, 2014 2:59 pm

    ””’The tobacco tax is a good example””’no it`s not dumpty, if ya`had bothered to read the full comment, neither is nanny roxons military-green packs either

  49. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 3:00 pm

    Tobacco is a little different to cheese cake.

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2014 3:01 pm

    Listen ALP deadbeats.

    You lot trashed the budget as always happens under ALP govts.

    Should we continue to borrow to fund everything??

    People at Cafe Lunatic Asylum say debt does not matter and we can print money to solve debt problems.

    Must be nice to live in leftie laa laa land.

  51. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 3:06 pm

    Good afternoon Neil. Printing money is popular in the US, so what’s the problem?

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2014 3:11 pm

    Egggactly egg

    No problems. We are sovereign in our own currency. We do not need to work or do anything.

    According to Cafe Lunatic Asylum we can print money to pay off our debts.

  53. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 3:24 pm

    Steve Kates puts it more eloquently.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/05/11/a-failure-to-deal-with-debt/

  54. May 11, 2014 3:59 pm

    ””””””””police have a user pays system, in that the “users” (law breakers) pay a penalty”””””””’

    #Guffaw #Total.Teabag.Bullshit

    if ya`fcuking knew anything about anything ya`wouldn`t say such dopey bullshit like that,

    #FYI it costs the `taxpayer` ##–around $100K.p.a–## per prisoner,

    and they(prisoners) do not `re-pay` this #teabags

  55. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 4:03 pm

    ‘Westfield Retail Trust chair Dick Warburton is urging the government to rein in spending in the upcoming federal budget.

    ‘In an interview with the Nine Network’s Financial Review Sunday, Mr Warburton – who has been vocal in his support for the proposed deficit levy – said it was also important to consider ways to spur along infrastructure investment.

    “I’d like to see infrastructure kicked along strongly, but then we also need to rein in spending,” he said. “So that means cuts to welfare sources and cuts to all areas of government, but that’s got to be balanced, I think, by revenue cuts – and that’s the controversial one.”

    Jemma Whyte / Fin Review

  56. May 11, 2014 4:10 pm

    SQUEALS SAME SHIT
    SQUEALS SYCOPHANT MORON
    SQUEALS ECONOMIC IGNORAMUS
    NASTY SQWEALY NOBODY

    Tax smokers like Hokey and that Austrian prick. They are the cancer of truth.

  57. May 11, 2014 4:16 pm

    Westfield.. the most oppressive landlords in retail.. who are singlehandedly The most obtrusive expensive layer in retail cost structure and predatory monopolising goliath to small business competition…..fuck thats one for the books.. oh the ironic hypocrisy of Fiberal donors 🙄

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 4:19 pm

    it seems to made up of lots of people who are looking for reassurance or company or have the sniffles.

    And you’re medical qualifications are?

    Supporting the high income of doctors

    I assume you are talking GP’s – if so I’d do some research … ’cause it ain’t all that high …

    for people looking for a little sympathetic company or something is a huge waste.

    Assumptions again … ?

    If we’re going to put public funds into this, we’re better off giving it to community health centres or district nurses. They’ll do the job at about 10% of the cost.

    I agree with the “concept” but not your “costing … FYI most nurses have degrees now …

    If a service is “free”, it will always be overused.

    Bold statement – can you actually prove it?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Looking ahead, a government will have to consider taxing process foods to such a degree that people only eat rubbish once in awhile. The medical profession would enjoy less workload and taxpayers relieved.

    And here I was thinking you didn’t like socialism … or is that fascism?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I really can’t see how the cost of defence can be allocated to individuals.

    But you have no problem with Der Fuhrer and Der Chancellor terrorising vulnerable age pensioners …

    Back to doctors… they’re an expensive way to provide company and reassurance. GPs earn about $150k a year, they have a booking clerk and admin, expensive equipment overheads to cover, rent. It is simply dumb not to use the expensive resource a little more sparingly and have people think about whether they need to go or not.

    There should be more pricing of “free” services to limit over use.

    In fact its about $180,000 pa (these days) but as you point out there are overheads that dramatically reduce that AND that figure is based on seeing around 125 patients a week and CHARGING between $40 and $75 per visit … the co-payment all goes to the government …

    And a “free” service is?

    BTW, did I tell you I did quite a bit of work for the Divisions of General Practice, Queensland … initially in instructional design for the vaccinations programs … and one evening sat at a table with GP’s at a dinner, as they discussed their reduced income as a result of the Howard government’s white anting of Medicare in favour of private health and the costs of running a private practice …

    ======================================

    Glen Waverley High is another one. Parents (mainly Chinese) are willing to pay over the odds for real estate in the school zone so their child gets a good uni offer – without the high private school fees.

    Not many Chinese catliks is my guess …

    Hockey says they are safe, now we should turn our attention to the obesity and diabetes epidemic.

    And what fkn medical quals has Hockey … cigar connoisseurthat he is … GMAFB!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    GPs are on a production line of income generation, and the lack of a price promotes this.

    That is an insulting statement to all the hard working, dedicated GPs around this country … and utterly wrong!

    You’d be more honest to say that all bank CEO’s and politicians and economist just bullshit and rake in money for doing nothi …. oh, wait …

    Production line my arse …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The aim is not to tax it out of existence, but to raise a huge tax to fund the best health services in the world. The tobacco tax is a good example of how it could work.

    The illogic would be amusing if it weren’t so serious …

    Raising a “huge tax” from the likes of KFC and Maccas if you are taxing them out of business? Get my drift?

    And people still smoke … and I’m astounded …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    People at Cafe Lunatic Asylum say debt does not matter and we can print money to solve debt problems.

    Stop confusing the café with GT … most here wouldn’t agree either and particularly with printing money … simply dilutes value – if you have ever comprehended my comments on the subject … and this is not the USA who have been diluting my capital for too many years !

    We are sovereign in our own currency

    No we are not our dollar is internationally floated … what the turkey’s in the USA do affects us … just like the GFC …

  59. May 11, 2014 4:34 pm

    “If a service is “free”, it will always be overused.”

    ””There should be more pricing of “free” services to limit over use.””’

    It seems that “over used” is the new neo-Liberal terminology to describe services that are under-resourced and under-funded.

    Perhaps, rather than blaming the people who find it necessary to “use” these services (you, know, to avoid dying prematurely – inconvenient I know), the conversation should be turned on its head to focus on the fact that the healthcare system has been grossly underfunded for decades, and we should in fact be spending billions of dollar less on defence and reallocating that waste into healthcare instead.

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 4:46 pm

    … and we should in fact be spending billions of dollar less on defence and reallocating that waste into healthcare instead.

    No-brainer, sreb … (obviously not to all of us I guess … ’tis all about perceived v actual “priorities”, methinks)

    Or maybe the funeral directors have made a big donation to Hockey’s “speshul sludgeslush fund for cigar smokers 🙄

  61. May 11, 2014 4:49 pm

    It seems that “over used” is the new neo-Liberal terminology to describe services that are under-resourced and under-funded.

    Bingo reb…and anyone that takes exception to the made up rhetorical nocence they use to sugar shit coat such ideological claptrap is a “Leftie”
    Listen To Tony Shepard explaining his comply methodology Predetermined indefensible assumptions

    And Tony Barnes.. babling

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 11, 2014 4:56 pm

    GPs themselves don’t seem to be doing it too hard – “$200k and All this with flexible hours and the choice of practice style!“

    Australian general practitioners earn good money, with the actual amount dependent upon the nature of the practice and the hours worked. In general practice there is also the opportunity to run your own medical practice if you choose. All this with flexible hours and the choice of practice style!

    The average annual income for a full-time Australian GP is up to $200,000 or more.

    http://www.gpaustralia.org.au/content/what-can-you-earn

    Yep, no need to limit their income generating, taxpayer funded schemes.

  63. May 11, 2014 4:57 pm

    #over-used

    l agree reb, we could save $12bill from untested, single-use, flying trash-cans and plough it into `actual` things our citizens need, `constructed` emergency`s to feed ideology based half-wittery will end-up screwing all of us

  64. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 5:24 pm

    ‘Westfield.. the most oppressive landlords in retail..’

    At least he agrees with taxing the rich.

  65. May 11, 2014 5:26 pm

    Tom My GP works his ass off and his costs, especially his insurance is astronomical. Its a very demanding job with lots of responsibility and pressure…what’s your point?

  66. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 5:27 pm

    ‘And here I was thinking you didn’t like socialism … or is that fascism?’

    Its socialism with a human face.

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 6:08 pm

    Yep, no need to limit their income generating, taxpayer funded schemes.

    $200,000 minus overheads (rent, staff, public liability, professional indemnity … what do you earn, ToM? These guys are dealing with human issues way beyond most degree qualified people … engineers spring to mind …

    http://www.engineeringjobs.com.au/engineering-industry-salary-information

    What do you do for a living again?

  68. May 11, 2014 6:14 pm

    “$200,000 minus overheads (rent, staff, public liability, professional indemnity “

    Not to mention the emotional burden of having to tell people that they’ve got six weeks to live.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 6:15 pm

    Its socialism with a human face …

    I can understand that …

    http://ilove-vietnam.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/president-ho-chi-minhs-biography-1890.html

    Pity it doesn’t work in RICH first world countries … Ho Chi Hockey? I don’t think so …

  70. May 11, 2014 6:30 pm

    he says too many dumb things to be an engineer, engineer`s of any type have to be correct in their decisions, that`s not what see from him, he is more likely to be an over-paid sales-rep, where his bullshit can flourish #Tinfoil.Cubicle

  71. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 6:44 pm

    ‘And people still smoke … and I’m astounded …’

    There is price inelasticity with tobacco and alcohol because of their addictive nature, they are milking cows.

    If they doubled the price of your favourite drop, would you still consume it?

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 6:55 pm

    … he says too many dumb things to be an engineer, yer jumping to conclusions, tbagz ….

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If they doubled the price of your favourite drop, would you still consume it?

    Mmmmm … $6 would be a bit high … maybe brew my own … the grapes are doin’ quite well … next season I might have a crack anyway …

    Wrong question to wrong person I’m afraid, egg …

    Governments on left and right are controlled by business lobbies … surely you’ve seen governments “attempting” to control drinking in cities after midnight?

    ‘Tis easy – just shut the fkn doors … but the lobby (eg political donors) fires up and WGAF about coward punches and drunken rapes on the streets unless it’s their sons or daughters – such a thing could tarnish their political careers! Dawg forgive!

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2014 6:58 pm

    sorry, had a mothers day interruption

    It seems that “over used” is the new neo-Liberal terminology to describe services that are under-resourced and under-funded.

    That is it in a nutshell reb, when these services have over the years been plundered and changed so that the $ go to the private health pandering of people. And teabagz was also right on the money when saying that we would have a world class system if the public money wasn’t being redirected into private health.

    Why should the working poor, those who earn just above the qualifying means test for medicare be paying for the private health subsidies of the wealthy? Public money should ALL be going into public health and those who want to opt out of it and go private should be paying entirely for that service themselves without any taxpayer contribution [same for education]. If you want to see pampered people with a consumer/customer expectation of a luxury hotel experience you only have to visit a private hospital. This is all propped up by the taxes of the poor who cannot afford private health care for themselves or their families.

    The $ are siphoned off and the public system is left in tatters running on the goodwill of dedicated doctors and nurses, while people like the now dead ramsey can make billions off the taxpayers.

    GPs themselves don’t seem to be doing it too hard – “$200k and All this with flexible hours and the choice of practice style!“

    How much do you earn tomM for what you do? How long did you spend in uni? How much HECS debt paid? What do you reckon a similarly [or lesser] qualified person in the finance system earns, or even the mining industry? heavens even journos are in the $200k mark and they are total idiots. How much do you think private hospital doctors and management earn in comparison to those in the public system?

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    May 11, 2014 7:20 pm

    Happy Mum’s Day, KL … hope you had a nice day!

    Ideology (and $$$) seems to drive tories, KL … rather than compassion for their fellow human … I must re-read the bible (the majority seem to be misguided bible thumpers) … I must have missed something ..

  75. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2014 8:01 pm

    “rather than compassion for their fellow human”

    It was false compassion that lead to our humanitarian program being filled by economic immigrants rather than refugees.

    That guy who was killed on Manus Island risked his life and paid a lot of money because he could not get a job as an architect in Iraq.

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2014 8:23 pm

    Had a terrific day TB and am enjoying a nice wine right now as I cut & paste 😉

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/croakey/2014/05/07/health-voices-unite-on-the-commission-of-audit-recommendations/

    Health voices unite on the Commission of Audit recommendations:
    …Our commitment is to equitable and universal access to health care for all Australians. Measures that would create a two-tiered health system for the ‘haves’ and the ‘have nots’ are simply un-Australian. Australians fundamentally believe in a level playing field and a fair go for all. Our tax dollars should be used accordingly…

    Shame, shame, shame on the Commission of Audit:
    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/croakey/2014/05/05/shame-shame-shame-on-the-commission-of-audit/

    …The reason that tobacco, alcohol and fast food industries are so opposed to regulation is that it holds them accountable for health outcomes and assists people to make much easier choices about their own health behaviours.

    Public health in the areas of food safety, clean air and water and hazards is built on regulation and government intervention not on a free market, so get over it!…

    …They have bought the urban myth that ageing will increase health costs, probably because it supports currently fashionable attack on the aged pension.

    Ageing does not increase health costs – inequity in services and interventions does – and the fact that services and interventions are mostly used toward the end of life, regardless of age, has escaped their analysis.

    It is true that health costs are rising rapidly, but I would suggest they are supply-driven by practitioners, not demand-driven by health participants…

    Basically, the CoA is ideology driven and not evidence based, best practice, it is the public, the people who pay for this who will be let down by poorer health outcomes. It is most definitely against the wishes of the public and I hope the stinkers go down for it.

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2014 8:24 pm

    …That guy who was killed on Manus Island risked his life and paid a lot of money because he could not get a job as an architect in Iraq…

    you killed him neil, i see you wear it with pride.

  78. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 8:30 pm

    ‘Mmmmm … $6 would be a bit high …’

    ** chuckle **

  79. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 11, 2014 8:31 pm

    “you killed him neil, i see you wear it with pride.

    You lefties really are quite nasty and have no idea of compassion. In fact you are natural totalitarians.

    It was not the Coalition who encouraged economic immigrants to come by boat.

  80. May 11, 2014 8:35 pm

    oh yeah, this aught`a be good, just what `type` of engineer does he `claim` to be, (got-proof)

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2014 9:29 pm

    and neils are natural robots, parroting the words and deeds of hate, bolt-speak.

    you wanted this, now wear it as your own.

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/battered-manus-island-detainees-spirited-away-20140510-zr8a4.html

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2014 9:47 pm

    It was not the Coalition who encouraged economic immigrants to come by boat.

    you encouraged them to be brutally beaten to death, no humanity given at all. Beaten to death while locked up, defenceless, with no ability for survival and you look away. Encouraged a secrecy so that no-one should ever know, hear or condemn the tortured cries and screams of a brutalised and expendable humanity in the australian gulags. People treated like animals in a slaughter house. Well done neil, capital punishment for people who have committed no crime.

  83. egg permalink
    May 11, 2014 10:21 pm

    ‘Tis easy – just shut the fkn doors … but the lobby’

    I heard a rumour, which sounds unbelievable, BoF was rolled by the liquor lobby because of his boots and all attack on their base of operations.

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 11, 2014 10:36 pm

    Even abbott’s latest “we knew it wasn’t going to be easy” reeks of fraser’s “life wasn’t meant to be easy” [for you lot anyway].

    Give you access to doctors and hospitals for free eh? Well, here’s a kick in the guts for nothing and you can thank me and call me sir.

    Not really a ‘liberal’ party is it? Nor one of free speech, Brian & Peta will tolerate none of that. But yes, it is a fully owned corporation party.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/05/nsw-liberals-gag-reform-twitter

    …NSW Liberals seeking to gag party members speaking out over reform
    Liberal party members calling for reform or commenting about politics on Twitter have fallen foul of the state executive…

  85. May 11, 2014 11:05 pm

    That guy who was killed on Manus Island risked his life and paid a lot of money because he could not get a job as an architect in Iraq.

    You lefties really are quite nasty and have no idea of compassion. In fact you are natural totalitarians.

    Well there you have it in a nutshell Ladies and Gentlemen. The shining light of SQUEALS imorally twisted reasoning is “It was his fault” . Pretty much defines Squeal on just about everything. These are the type of people that Barrack for Abbot and Morrison, latently racist, misanthropic,empathy devoid, slaves to one sided humanity. The type of sick individual that would twist another humans hideous murder in an Australian Gulag on the shores of a despot lawless country into a political point.

    NASTY IMMORAL FUCKWIT
    COMPASSION DEVOID MORON
    LOW INTELLECT IMBECILE
    BITTER LOW RENT BOGAN
    CONTEMPTUOUS TERRORGRAPH FODDER

  86. May 11, 2014 11:23 pm

    Here’s ya recipe for Success Queensland Liberal style… That little fucker in QLD is almost as bent as Obeid ….

    http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/43916#.U23tUSRZEQ

  87. May 11, 2014 11:25 pm

    take it easy ricky, you should enjoy the service `our` teabags provide us with,

    you just need to learn how to harness them to be your `useful-imbeciles` too,

    take kneel, l don`t need to go traipsing around the interwebs, trying to find out what the bolt/gina/ipa imbeciles are doing, kneel gets it for me and regurgitates it often, thanks kneel,

    and then theres dumpty, who feeds me all the denial stuff, with links to denier websites, saves me traipsing all over the interwebs for that too, dumpty has been very helpful to me actually, in helping me build my email junk filter, any mail that comes in containing links to deniers are sent straight to trash

    learn to `enjoy` the useful imbeciles ricky 🙂

  88. May 11, 2014 11:43 pm

    learn to `enjoy` the useful imbeciles ricky

    An ashtray on a motorbike would be more useful and a barium eneima would be more enjoyable than enduring the egregious pain of such twisted bowels.

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2014 1:09 am

    so much for the independence of the tribunal!
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/public-service/senior-public-servants-to-escape-prime-ministers-pay-freeze-20140511-zr9gf.html

    …He said Prime Minister Tony Abbott had written to the Remuneration Tribunal to request the freeze, and he expected the tribunal to agree “in due course”…

    …However, the proposal will only affect several hundred office holders, some of whom recently received their largest-ever pay rise.
    The bureaucracy’s 2750 senior executives will be exempt from the freeze, as the tribunal has no authority to set their salaries…

    …The typical departmental secretary’s total salary package was $539,580 two years ago, but will reach $716,800 in July this year after a series of “catch-up” increases.
    Similarly, the head of the Defence Force’s remuneration package was $539,580 at the beginning of 2012 and will reach $798,720 in July…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/senior-public-servants-to-escape-prime-ministers-pay-freeze-20140511-zr9gf.html#ixzz31Q66fsHd</i&lt;

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2014 9:16 am

    oh yeah, this aught`a be good, just what `type` of engineer does he `claim` to be, (got-proof)

    tbagz,

    ToM has already told us his background and it’s not in engineering … I drew may analogy with engineers because they are responsible for the health, safety and welfare of millions of people in what they do every day … and have (if you checked the link) similar incomes to doctors … nothing to do with, ToM’s, quals or work … nor aimed at his personal profession (apart from a little jibe in an earlier comment – that I’m sure he recognised)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Similarly, the head of the Defence Force’s remuneration package was $539,580 at the beginning of 2012 and will reach $798,720 in July…

    How much do GP’s earn again?

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2014 9:39 am

    About 10 years ago there was a study that compared the accuracy of a GPs medical diagnosis with that of a computer program.

    GPs were a little over 60%, the computer 85%. GPs only use trial and error – ‘try this and come back in a couple of weeks if you’re still sick’

    Computer programs are better at identifying illness than doctors.
    ========
    Typical of their approach to production line income generation is the experience of an elderly woman I know. She had some chest pains and other problems- went to her GP of many years. He gave her the usual spiel – ‘you’re 80, you need to get more rest etc’

    She telephoned the chemist later that day – the unqualified chemist shop person (over the phone) identified the symptoms of a heart failure and suggested she get herself to the hospital.

    The telephone diagnosis of a chemist shop assistant may have saved her life. The dismissive income generation attitude of the GP might have killed her.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2014 9:46 am

    Yes TB- certainly I’m no engineer, and I’ve posted plenty about my background and qualifications. There’s no need to repeat it for a blow in.

  93. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2014 9:56 am

    “Computer programs are better at identifying illness than doctors.”

    Diagnosis is not the main role of GPs. Most of their time is spent dealing with simple ailments, family planning, writing out sickie excuses, counselling people who in former times spoke to their minister or priest and being scammed by druggies. Anything complicated should be referred to specialists which are about a third of the profession.

  94. May 12, 2014 10:06 am

    Diagnosis is not the main role of GPs.

    Bullshit.. It is fundamentally the function of a “good” GP
    So what is it you guys have run out of people to bitch about now its medico’s? It takes about 6 years to become a doctor and up to another 4-6 to get to specialist. Its is a rigorous and arduous process.
    Yeah there are bad ones, but the percentage is way lower than most of the fucktards working in finance, thats for sure.

  95. May 12, 2014 10:24 am

    Tony Abbott August 22, 2011

    “It is an absolute principle of democracy that governments should not and must not say one thing before an election and do the opposite afterwards. Nothing could be more calculated to bring our democracy into disrepute and alienate the citizenry of Australia from their government than if governments were to establish by precedent that they could say one thing before an election and do the opposite afterwards.“

    ABBOTT CONTEMPTIBLE LIAR

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2014 10:33 am

    GPs were a little over 60%, the computer 85%. GPs only use trial and error – ‘try this and come back in a couple of weeks if you’re still sick’

    I’d say they use process of elimination, they can usually tell if someone is very sick right off [most of us could too] viruses usually take 5-7 dys to resolve and if longer, think about investigations for something else.

    Getting back to people overusing because it’s free, it’s just rubbish. I don’t know many GP’s who bulk bill everyone, you’ll find that in general they bulk bill pensioners and health card holders, everyone else pays. It is not the community who are overusing the doctors, it is the doctors being pressured to over service eg antibiotics, pathology & radiology for viruses and parental anxiety. So much pressure for them to come up with a diagnosis immediately and don’t forget that if they don’t exclude serious illnesses, they will be sued. Then you’ve got the people without much common sense who don’t see a doctor when they should but they are all over the homeopaths, naturopaths and massagers to cure with every snake oil miracle going. There are the neurotic people who can’t cope with being unwell for a time, they think their kids or themselves are dying from a common cold or a bout of gastro and demand something be done. We have the totally irresponsible who send their unwell kids to school and child care because they won’t or can’t take a day off work and then the usually infectious illness rips through entire groups of people.

    The doctors that i know are usually very dedicated and hardworking people with the aim of doing good

    I think the doctors are fine, it’s the quality of patients who could do with improvement 😉

  97. May 12, 2014 10:54 am

    Tell ya what… if you are suffering from a serious illness or involved in an accident… maybe they should just send you a tablet… android, ios or windows 8.. its your choice 🙄

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2014 11:04 am

    … if you are suffering from a serious illness or involved in an accident… maybe they should just send you a tablet… android, ios or windows 8.. its your choice

    🙂

    They could 3d print their own spare parts and happily self diagnose and learn to self operate with help from dr google, then order their own medications and treatments online. Who needs doctors? What could possibly go wrong?

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2014 11:25 am

    Diagnosis is not the main role of GPs. Most of their time is spent dealing with simple ailments, family planning, writing out sickie excuses, counselling people who in former times spoke to their minister or priest and being scammed by druggies. Anything complicated should be referred to specialists which are about a third of the profession.

    The doctor’s union have ensured that GPs are the gateway for all health services in this country. Everyone gets their cut. The GP is the first step to every health and allied health professional. This has come about through governments privatising of medicare by stealth, everything is performed on an outpatient basis and you have to part with more cash at every step of your journey through this ‘free’ system.

    It is not the patient’s wish to overuse doctors, they are forced to by the rules of the system imposed upon them.

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2014 11:25 am

    The dismissive income generation attitude of the GP might have killed her.

    I agree …

    … but tarring all GPs with the same brush is like tarring all politicians the same as Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey and Scott Morrison and Julie Bishop and Peter Dutton and Christopher Pyne and … nah, its not the same … all pollies are the same

    I can’t believe that we are/have to defend GPs … unfknbelievable …

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2014 12:12 pm

    it’s the quality of patients who could do with improvement

    Yeah!!

    Make them pay a more than $6.

  102. May 12, 2014 1:20 pm

    “Make them pay a more than $6.”

    Maybe “patients of calibre” could be excluded from the charge?

  103. May 12, 2014 2:01 pm

    Maybe some could test out these theories like doctor being overpaid, computers are more accurate and all the knuckle dragging hate speared claptrap by a simple test….Tom applies a 50 calibre experiment to a toe and tests the validity of windows V an actual consultation. We could put him in a remote bush location and drop it out of a medevac helicopter from a great height… lets test the courage of blosepheric conviction 🙂

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2014 2:19 pm

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2014 2:34 pm

    The doctor’s union have ensured that GPs are the gateway for all health services in this country

    I agree, but all governments have all proved to be quite weak kneed when it comes to taking on the AMA.

    The structure of referral is a rort, and is a contributor to overuse, it is non value adding.

    But there needs to be more control over demand too, people shouldn’t just use the GP as part of their social and personal support network, they should be encouraged to free up some space in the waiting room and a small payment is reasonable.

  106. May 12, 2014 2:45 pm

    “people shouldn’t just use the GP as part of their social and personal support network, they should be encouraged to free up some space in the waiting room and a small payment is reasonable.”

    There you go again YoM. Despite others here making the quite factual observation that many people have chronic conditions that require regular ongoing appointments with their GP.

    These are people with legitimate concerns despite your cynical view that they visit the doctor for some sort of social excursion.

    *rolls eyes*

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2014 2:50 pm

    https://twitter.com/PMOnAir/status/465712235780640768

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2014 2:59 pm

    I’m only advocating getting some of the social visits/personal support out of the GP’s waiting room.

    As I said, I had to go to a GP for a referral recently (and what a non value adding experience that was). The waiting room seemed full of-
    *fat people
    *teenage girls
    *kids with the mild sniffles, accompanied by their mums
    *people popping in for a chat with the nice receptionist

    I don’t know that we need to provide all this for ‘free’

  109. Meta permalink
    May 12, 2014 3:00 pm

    (Maybe organize a Jabberwacky companion companion to assist Dr Watson with the differential diagnostics of, erm, self-reported symptomatics?)

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2014 3:01 pm

  111. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2014 3:02 pm

    Should the Coalition win the election, there will be no nasty surprises and there’ll be no lame excuses.

    No surprises and no excuses.

    ….

    The choice could hardly be more stark: three more years of broken promises, nasty surprises and weak excuses.

    Or change for the better with an experienced team that will not just rebuild the economy but also the bonds of trust that should exist between you and your parliament.

  112. May 12, 2014 3:06 pm

    *fat people
    *teenage girls
    *kids with the mild sniffles, accompanied by their mums

    It can be a rude awakening. Especially when the individuals concerned meet all three criteria outlined above.

  113. May 12, 2014 3:38 pm

    I would say on Balance this is a fine piece that nails Abbott on the money

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2014/05/10/tony-abbott-unserious-man/1399644000#.U3BdXfmSx8E

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2014 3:38 pm

    That’s it – GP waiting rooms are crowded with fat teenage girls with kids (with or without the sniffles)

    Get them into community health centres, with trained nurses and social workers who earn about 1/3 as much as a GP.

    Most just need some reassurance about life, diet, relationships etc and from what I can see, GPs are pretty hopeless at all that.

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2014 3:51 pm

    Especially for ToM …. the last slide is significant …

    Alas, ToM, you appear to have thus far lived a very sheltered and narrow existence …

  116. egg permalink
    May 12, 2014 3:56 pm

    I agree with ToM, foot doctor nurses and health centres are truly egalitarian and financially viable.

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2014 4:07 pm

    Michael Crichton:

    I have been asked to talk about what I consider the most important challenge facing mankind, and I have a fundamental answer. The greatest challenge facing mankind is the challenge of distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda. Perceiving the truth has always been a challenge to mankind, but in the information age (or as I think of it, the disinformation age) it takes on a special urgency and importance.

    Ideological blinkers are a curse. If you find yourself always on one side of debates you probably need to reconsider your approach.

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2014 4:26 pm

    A Work In Progress …

    On another related topic, I was ruminating on the age pension dilemma … maybe it shouldn’t be based on age … but years worked? And called a retirement pension.

    Let’s say it’s a working time of 50 years … (could be any number of years of course) …

    If someone leaves school and starts work at 18 then and works every year till they have accumulated 50 years they would be eligible at 68 yo …

    If someone has the benefit of a uni education and leaves at say 21/22 yo it should not be a disadvantage because degree educated people statistically** earn more than non uni graduates …

    If people want to retire early and/or supplement the fixed retirement pension* … … then they can calculate what they need to live on until they are eligible and/or supplement when they retire … which is what most people do now but with far more complications and changes …

    *(eg in NZ all people get the same age pension – no means tests)

    If a couple has children and one partner chooses to remain at home to raise those children then that would count as years worked until say the child is old enough for school … certainly cheaper than a PPL but far more flexible for the parents … and would encourage a quicker return to the workforce …

    Simply being on the dole means that the retirement pension would become further away as you stayed on welfare … might encourage more people to seek work …

    The same “rules” would apply to anyone – including politicians … no golden handshakes and off to the beach …

    **
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-24/uni-graduates-likely-to-earn-one-million-more-over-lifetime/4330506

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2014 4:32 pm

    Splatterbottom May 12, 2014 4:07 pm

    From your recent posts, sb, I take it that you are neutral on the co-payment (actually the competence and incomes of GPs)?

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2014 4:33 pm

    Most just need some reassurance about life, diet, relationships etc and from what I can see, GPs are pretty hopeless at all that.

    And what can you see tomM, are these people confiding in you?
    They want medical advice from a doctor, not diet or relationship advice. Stop looking down at people and judging why they are seeing a dr by appearance alone. Someone might be fat but it may be a coincidence to why she or he is seeing the doctor and what an awful judgement to make about teenage girls, wanting relationship advice FFS!

  121. May 12, 2014 4:42 pm

    “what an awful judgement to make about teenage girls, wanting relationship advice FFS!”

    Yeah ToM – you simplistic misogynistic twit!

  122. egg permalink
    May 12, 2014 4:42 pm

    ‘…you probably need to reconsider your approach.’

    Yes indeed, greater clarity of mind, unshackled from ideology. Freedom to think outside groupthink opens up infinite opportunities to explore anew, question everything, be fkn sceptical.

    I think its newsworthy that Abbott wants to be known as the infrastructure PM, when all that’s mooted in the coming budget is a couple of road projects in Melbourne and Sydney, plus an airport.

    So I’m punting this is the best kept secret in the budget, very fast rail built by Chinese state run juggernauts who will also share the cost.

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    May 12, 2014 5:11 pm

    Yes indeed, greater clarity of mind, unshackled from ideology.

    So you might try it one day, egg?

    Why do I bother …

  124. May 12, 2014 5:22 pm

    l see the `cubicle` has been well reinforce with tinfoil today,

    apparently quacks offices are the hive of social gatherings for teenage girls nowadays, sounds like quite the `happening` scene 🙄

  125. May 12, 2014 5:26 pm

    ””’greater clarity of mind,””’
    ””’unshackled from ideology.””’

    yeah, and a fine job ya`doing fluffy duck

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2014 5:35 pm

    …apparently quacks offices are the hive of social gatherings for teenage girls nowadays,..

    and here was me thinking it was macca’s, who knew the local GP was such a teen drawcard, wild stuff!

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 12, 2014 5:42 pm

    TB, my only contribution to the GP debate was to note that they have to deal with a lot of other things besides difficult diagnoses. Comparing GPs with computer diagnostics is not an apt comparison.

    I’ll wait and see what the rules are around co-payment are before I comment on that issue. I can see why it would be useful and I can see that it may harm some people. I haven’t really made up my mind.

    As a general rule people should pay for the services they use. Health is a difficult area. I don’t want to see kids not taken to the doctor because parents don’t want to fork out the cash.

    There is also the question of how much “health” society can afford.

    Dentistry is an interesting comparison. People put up with dental problems because they can’t afford to go or have to wait so long for cheaper options. I recently took a second best dental option because I didn’t want to pay an additional thirty grand for permanent upper teeth. That was a rational decision for someone of my age with other spending priorities. But I feel for people who may not be able to afford even the work I did get done. I also acknowledge that if it was more heavily subsidised then I might have taken the higher cost option.

    Medicine shouldn’t go that way. When I told my doctor how much I did actually pay for the teeth he pointed out that I could have had a heart transplant for that amount.

    There is always a problem with resource allocation when the price mechanism is removed. That needs to be acknowledged and addressed.

  128. May 12, 2014 5:45 pm

    “who knew the local GP was such a teen drawcard, wild stuff!”

    Maybe it’s the free magazines, and promise of daytime TV?

  129. May 12, 2014 5:47 pm

    “Medicine shouldn’t go that way.”

    HEAR HEAR!

  130. May 12, 2014 5:51 pm

    “I don’t want to see kids not taken to the doctor because parents don’t want to fork out the cash.”

    Likewise, I don’t want to see my parents not going to the doctor or dentist because of the expense involved but that’s happening already.

    They’d decided that (in their late 70’s), it’s not worth getting expensive dental work done or even surgery.

    Appropriate healthcare shouldn’t just be a “luxury” afforded to the rich.

  131. May 12, 2014 6:06 pm

    l notice this idiocy with the teabags,

    those of us that want a voluntary euthanasia system to be put in place, are opposed by the same teabags that don`t want us to have national health system, these teatards oppose both `sides` of the coin.

  132. egg permalink
    May 12, 2014 6:38 pm

    Shocking News

    ‘THE Queensland union and ALP “godfather” Bill Ludwig has been accused of receiving a secret slush fund cash payment of $50,000 from the former boyfriend of ex-Labor prime minister Julia Gillard.

    ‘The explosive claim was made today during evidence to the royal commission into trade union governance and corruption by Ralph Blewitt, the self-confessed bagman for Ms Gillard’s ex-boy friend, former Australian Workers’ Union leader Bruce Wilson.’

    Norrington / Oz

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2014 6:43 pm

    ” you simplistic misogynistic twit”

    That observation is a little severe, even if it’s a fact.

  134. May 12, 2014 6:47 pm

    I know.

    I was going to say “twat” but then I might be accused of being hypocritical and sexist.

  135. May 12, 2014 6:50 pm

    What IS wrong with the world when we can’t just abuse each other without fear of offending one another….??

    Maybe that’s what George Brandis was getting at.

    But then he just looks like some baldy-headed poncey toffee-nosed cunt that’s never had a root for the last 30 years, and fantasises about rogerring Christopher Pyne.*

    Or maybe not.

    I don’t know.

    *NTTAWWT

  136. egg permalink
    May 12, 2014 6:59 pm

    ‘That observation is a little severe, even if it’s a fact.’

    lol

  137. egg permalink
    May 12, 2014 8:42 pm

    Spurious Correlations

    http://www.tylervigen.com/

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 12, 2014 10:12 pm

    What IS wrong with the world when we can’t just abuse each other without fear of offending one another….??

    Some people are just too sensitive, take fat teenage mothers at the doctors for instance….

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 12, 2014 11:04 pm

    😆

    Personally, I’d rather they were at the doctors than not.
    Teens are the group who need the support as they have lots of stress and not the most stable of home situations or even emotional maturity, the kids welfare & safety needs to be monitored.

  140. egg permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:49 am

    ‘What IS wrong with the world when we can’t just abuse each other without fear of offending one another….??’

    Ahh that’s the rub. After all the years coming here I havn’t noticed you being abused, that’s because you’re captain of the push. Be patient boofhead, your day will come.

  141. egg permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:01 am

    ‘THE Giles government will radically overhaul remote home ownership in the Northern Territory, encouraging hundreds of public housing tenants to buy their homes for no more than $150,000.

    ‘In today’s NT budget, $4.5 million has been set aside over the next three years to begin the process.’

    Karvelas and Aikman / Oz

  142. egg permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:11 am

    Serial Court Pest

    ‘She resolutely stood by her fiance even when he was convicted of the murder of his former girlfriend.

    ‘But it seems that Rachelle Louise, the partner of killer Simon Gittany, has not had her fill of court appearances just yet.

    ‘The 29-year-old model was seen attending the Lin family murder trial at Sydney’s Supreme Court on Monday for the second time in a week.’

    UK Mail

  143. May 13, 2014 9:30 am

    “Be patient boofhead, your day will come.”

    LOL… 🙂

  144. egg permalink
    May 13, 2014 10:14 am

    Funnily I was talking to the IT student who lives downstairs, to enlist his help in creating a blog. He looked at Trash and said “its been done by a professional. I have assignments and an exam coming up, so I can’t do anything until the winter break.”

    He started to browse the comments and giggled, then asked me what I was doing here, to which I replied ‘my own version of the truth.’

    He turned on me sharply (him being a new leftoid) and said “this is a chat room, you are supposed to tell people what they want to hear. No wonder you have no friends.”

    chuckle

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2014 10:18 am

    LIAR! LIAR! PANTS ON FIRE!

    As it turns out, the body which sets those wages had already decided pay rates would be untouched.

    The independent Remuneration Tribunal made a preliminary move in April to not recommend rises for MPs (base salary $195,000) and senior public servants for the 12 months from midyear.

    “For some months, noting the Government’s policy, it has been evident that any wages movement in the APS (Australian Public Service) and federal public sector would be restrained,” said the tribunal in a statement today.

    “Indeed, at its April meeting, the Tribunal’s preliminary conclusion was that it would determine no annual review increase for offices in its jurisdiction from 1 July, 2014.”

    Can this pair of lying, cheating, thieving aresholes stoop any lower …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ahh that’s the rub. After all the years coming here I havn’t noticed you being abused, that’s because you’re captain of the push. Be patient boofhead, your day will come.

    Just demonstrates (again) your lack of history here (and a couple of other places) … after quite a few very serious and nasty stouches involving the “core” commenters, including “boofhead” …

    … these days I think most of us prefer sarcasm, humour, irony and satire … as
    demonstrated above …

    … speaking of “core commenters” – where’s, Wally? Has he been locked up at $10k a day working on tax reforms???

    ==================================

    sb, thanks for your thoughts … as you say … we shall have to wait till this evening …

  146. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2014 10:27 am

    Link to the first comment above and this below:

    Mr Palmer said he would not be affected by a pay freeze as he gave his backbencher’s salary to charity.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/remuneration-tribunal-decided-in-april-against-wage-increases-for-mps-and-top-public-servants/story-fn84fgcm-1226914847040

    After the last seven years and watching Lateline last night and some serious consideration on my walk this morning, I have decided to abandon any major party at the polling booth – including preferences – and I shall only vote for an independent or minor party …

    Go Clivey! Nah!

  147. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 11:30 am

    Hey reb, will you be drunkblogging the budget broadcast tonight?

  148. May 13, 2014 11:56 am

    If you join me ToSY I will.

    Should we make a bingo card?

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 1:13 pm

    I don’t normally drink red on Tuesdays, but tonight I’ll open a nice 2002 Coonawarra shiraz.

    “This isn’t a broken promise”

  150. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 1:42 pm

    Yes, I’ll be there. 🙂

  151. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 1:54 pm

    We’re sure to hear these lines from Hockey tonight:

    “Clean up Labor’s mess.”

    “Share the pain.”

    “Public servants are nothing but leeches, gorging on the blood of taxpayers.”

  152. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 13, 2014 2:11 pm

    After the circus is over tonight it would be nice to have a cigar on the balcony with Mathias and Denny. I imagine the conversation would be along the lines of:

    Joe: “How sweet it is!”

    Mathias: “You mean being heroes of the Australian economy?”

    Joe: “No. I mean imposing pain on every single Australian.”

    Mathias: “Yes, but at least our supporters can afford to take the hit without it affecting their lifestyles.”

    Joe: “Don’t worry about them. They can profit from our privatisations and the make-work climate schemes.”

    Mathias (drooling) : “And we got those lefties good by closing down all their favourite schemes.”

    Joe: “Yeah. But selling SBS was only the start. The ABC will be next hahaha.”

    Mathias: “Where’s Tony?”

    Joe: “Last I saw he was headed to the confessional, rosaries in one hand, whip in the other. I hope he doesn’t find us. He likes to share the pain!”

    Mathias: “Why can’t he just be happy knowing the plebs are suffering?”

    Joe: “He is a bit complicated. Haven’t you noticed that wild-eyed stare when he is caught out lying? He always gets a hard-on when Credland lays down the law to him.”

    Mathias: “Night Joe. I’m off for some rough trade with Scott Morrison.”

  153. May 13, 2014 2:13 pm

    “I’m off for some rough trade with Scott Morrison”

    LULZ 🙂

  154. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 3:07 pm

    Tom Hafey.

  155. May 13, 2014 4:02 pm

    Comedy gold…

    http://drivingwithjoehockey.com/

  156. May 13, 2014 5:08 pm

    ”””””””””What IS wrong with the world when we can’t just abuse each other without fear of offending one another….??””””””””

    l do me best reb, unfortunately it sets off the unhinged, and he resorts to blowing endless smoke up the editors kilt, soaking the editors sporran in tears, and incessantly emailing complaints to the editor-in-chief. 🙂

  157. May 13, 2014 5:13 pm

    ”””After the circus is over tonight”””’

    unfortunately splatter, l reckon your predictions are in the ball-park 😦

    the worst part is they seem to be grinding the poor even harder, and across the board

  158. May 13, 2014 5:28 pm

    ””””He(#clive) told reporters today he opposed the move to 70 for the age pension

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/remuneration-tribunal-decided-in-april-against-wage-increases-for-mps-and-top-public-servants/story-fn84fgcm-1226914847040

    but if it went ahead he would introduce private member’s legislation to bring the parliamentary system “into line with what they are proposing for the rest of the nation”.

    “The nation should be allowed to receive the same treatment from Tony Abbott that he has given to all political colleagues,” Mr Palmer said.

    “He has frozen politicians wages so it is now time to treat parliamentary pensions on the same basis as eligibility for the aged pension,” Mr Palmer said.

    “Let’s see if the Treasurer Joe Hockey and his colleagues are happy to join in the heavy lifting he expects pensioners to do. They should lead by example and make one rule for all.

    “What they are doing is just disadvantaging elderly Australians in the twilight of their life and plundering the nation’s finances.””””””””””’

    #Go Clive

    #Cry me a river teabags

    hey TB, let`s hope Clive can maintain his rage at the teabags for the `full` three years 🙂

  159. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 5:36 pm

    Clive will self-destruct. How soon is the only question.

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2014 5:42 pm

    Clive will self-destruct. How soon is the only question.

    The way he’s going he’ll spend most of the next three years in court!

    Go Clivey!

  161. May 13, 2014 5:45 pm

    ”””Clive will self-destruct.”””’

    what do you base that on Tinfoil`osy,

    l see Clive as being quite determined

  162. May 13, 2014 5:52 pm

    ”””Clive will self-destruct.”””’

    Yeah, I can see ghat happening too… He’s got a bit of the Mark Latham “boffo” in him I reckon…

  163. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2014 5:56 pm

    Driving with Joe Hockey … simple but oh, so, effective … good find, sreb …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tom Hafey, ToSy … a lifetime footballer/coach … is there a point to your cryptic comment?

    From the “some 70 year olds don’t hold back” … tag on the vid … are you suggesting that everybody should play aerial ping pong and be a coach and die at 82?

    What’s your point?

    Just askin’?

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2014 5:57 pm

    He’s got a bit of the Mark Latham “boffo” in him I reckon…

    Didn’t Latham want to curb the pollies perqs too?

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2014 5:58 pm

    BTW, sreb, thanks for the “correction” earlier.

  166. May 13, 2014 6:15 pm

    Piss funny Splatter 🙂
    Driving with Joe !!!

  167. May 13, 2014 6:16 pm

    ”””bit of the Mark Latham “boffo” in him”””

    yeah, l thought similar myself, when Clive started out, but l have changed my mind, since Clive started gathering support from independents and poaching ex-teabags, Clive has also financed his own party and campaigns, unlike the rest of`em, that have floated in on `others` bank-roll

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2014 6:21 pm

    Breaking News!

    Another One Bites the Dust! No Election Needed! Gerrymander Expected Soon!

    Sir Noddy Newman has sacked the Assistant Health Minister Dr Davis … for breaches of “ministry solidarity” (ie the fkn stupid Westminster System) … remember that there has been a dispute over doctors contracts in Qld …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-04/assistant-health-minister-speaks-out-against-qld-government/5296592

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2014 6:31 pm

    Clive has also financed his own party and campaigns, unlike the rest of`em, that have floated in on `others` bank-roll

    Ironic comment, TBAGZ … 🙂

  170. May 13, 2014 6:50 pm

    ””””””My fear is that large numbers of specialists will leave the public service.

    “Many have expressed an eagerness to do so, and an intention to do so, and we are talking about entire specialty groups will leave en masse.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-04/assistant-health-minister-speaks-out-against-qld-government/5296592
    ”””””””””””””

    unfortunately, it probably `will` take them leaving `en-masse` to have any hope of knocking some brains into the qld-teabags, which will most likely `hurt` the public/sick,

    l`ve noticed too, when teabags crap-on about `productivity`, they never mention the lost productivity caused by them, demanding the `living-wage` and `cost-of-living-v-inflation` battles be fought over and over and over.

  171. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 6:54 pm

    “What’s your point?”

    My point – as if I have to have a “point” on this (open) Rostrum thread – is that Tom Hafey died last night, and the video is a fitting tribute, IMO. He coached ‘my’ team Richmond to four AFL premierships.

    As an aside, every day until he recently became too ill, he followed a gruelling fitness regime: he ran 5-10 kms, swam in the bay, did 10 x 100 sit ups, and 200 push ups. All of them, every day. Alcohol never passed his lips, and he never smoked. Yet cancer still got him.

  172. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:01 pm

    “every day until he recently became too ill, he followed a gruelling fitness regime: he ran 5-10 kms, swam in the bay, did 10 x 100 sit ups, and 200 push ups. All of them, every day. Alcohol never passed his lips, and he never smoked.

    Well, it just goes to show that all so called “healthy living” is no use at all.

    Everyone should learn this lesson from the life of Tom Hafey.
    ——–
    As an aside, I was at a Swans game in Sydney during the time he coached, I popped into the pub nearby and soon after players, Geoffery E, Leanne and Mr Hafey came in.

    Everyone else got Pi55ed. Hafey just drank a few cups of tea! I won’t say he was dull, but Leanne Edelstein seemed to enjoy herself more.

  173. May 13, 2014 7:03 pm

    “Alcohol never passed his lips, and he never smoked. Yet cancer still got him.”

    Reassuring me that I’ve made “the right lifestyle choices…”

  174. May 13, 2014 7:06 pm

    ” Geoffery E, Leanne and Mr Hafey came in.”

    Am I meant to know who these people are…..?

  175. egg permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:09 pm

    A doc and his young better half.

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:10 pm

    Geoffrey and Leanne did cut a particularly tasteful couple back then, mind you he’s moved up market with his marriage to Brynne.

    She’s moved down market since she hooked up with Clive James.

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:10 pm

    My point – as if I have to have a “point” on this (open) Rostrum thread

    No you don’t but thanks – I think … if I have to justify my comments – or not comment, as you said a couple of weeks ago … why don’t you?

    People die every day in this country … hard working, family people, who a have given in many ways … I just asked why Hafrey was and why you put a vid of him up … when the bunch of crooks now in power want to extend the age pension to 70 … thought you were making a point … how silly of me …

  178. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:14 pm

    “or not comment, as you said a couple of weeks ago”

    Huh?

  179. egg permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:18 pm

    ‘when the bunch of crooks now in power want to extend the age pension to 70…’

    Good.

  180. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 8:02 am

    Pilot’s sexual frustration ruled out in missing MH370 saga.

    ‘Mr Khan defended his brother-in-law’s right to have a girlfriend.

    “That I do not know about. Even if I know I said why not? We are allowed to, as long as you take good care of your wife. Even if you ask my sister and she said she don’t care,” he said.

    “He can marry another one. Why not — we can marry four. We are Muslim.”

    Daily Terror

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:35 pm

    The NBN jackboot is ready to march all over us. Better get ready to be royally screwed:

    NBN Co is urging those who have failed to sign up to the NBN in those sites to do so by close of business today or risk losing access to their copper-based landline and internet services and having to rely on mobile-based communications services.

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:42 pm

    Link? re NBN Co …

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:44 pm

    Notice the language – if you don’t bend over to be extorted by NBN Co then you have “failed”. And, being a failure, Big Brother will cut off your internet unless you comly.

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:44 pm

    Link.

  185. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:52 pm

    “comply”

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