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AUSTRALIA’S BUDGET NIGHT BINGO SPECIAL EDITION…!!

May 13, 2014

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  1. May 13, 2014 5:39 pm

    Yeah, l better follow this post, l suspect, l too will have some bile l won`t be able to contain.

  2. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 5:58 pm

    Where’s the bar?

  3. May 13, 2014 6:04 pm

    Where’s the bar?

    Mate you tripped over it on the way in 🙂

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/23452289/mps-board-taxpayer-funded-flight/

  4. May 13, 2014 6:33 pm

    +heavy lifting
    +over used
    +share the pain

    (will be well used too)

  5. May 13, 2014 6:40 pm

    I’m onto my second glass of red and have a election of fine cubans at the ready.

  6. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 6:50 pm

    Well that’s one way to celebrate with a cuban, here’s another-

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/06/29/us-cuba-reggaeton-idUSTRE55S6EK20090629

  7. egg permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:24 pm

    I’m still punting on a bullet train from Brisbane to Melbourne and Sydney to Parkes.

  8. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:31 pm

    Sarah Ferguson introduces the Budge-it Speech.

  9. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:33 pm

    What’s Julie Bishop done with her hair?

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:33 pm

    “Prosperity is not a gift!”

    I’ve opened a 2006 bin 128, I don’t think it will last the distance.

  11. Dianne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:33 pm

    Is that Julie Bishop on Joe’s left?

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:34 pm

    Kevin Andrews has done something to his hair too!

  13. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:34 pm

    I’m in a hurry. I’m drinking vodka.

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:35 pm

    The budget is about the national interest (apparently)

  15. May 13, 2014 7:35 pm

    THius budget is about the national interest..

    *sip*

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:35 pm

    The age of entitlement is over!!

    Hooray!!

  17. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:36 pm

    Economic Action Strategy. Or EASY, in acronym-speak.

  18. May 13, 2014 7:36 pm

    *Unfortunately Julie Bishop was unable to attend tonight so Margaret Pomeranz is sitting in her place*

  19. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:37 pm

    Andrew Robb looks depressed.

  20. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:38 pm

    “Margaret Pomeranz is sitting in her place”

    Guffaw. *chug*

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:38 pm

    “abolishing …” this and that…

    I think the budget should be presented in Friday nights, Tuesday is just too early in the week for red.
    ——
    Everyone is making a contribution!!

    **GLUG**

  22. May 13, 2014 7:38 pm

    “We all must contribute”

    Fetch me another glass…!

  23. May 13, 2014 7:39 pm

    Warren Truss.

    Clinically dead. *drink!*

  24. May 13, 2014 7:40 pm

    “We should celebrate, celebrate!”

    I am Joe “cheers”

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:40 pm

    I’m a little worried about Julie Bishop’s appearance. Who is her stylist? Julia Gillard??

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:41 pm

    Who’s the blond in the black outfit?

    …and would she like a drink?

  27. May 13, 2014 7:42 pm

    Joanna Lumley (aka Patsy Stone from Ab Fab) has kindly offered to sit in for Julie Bishop who was unavailable this evening..

  28. May 13, 2014 7:43 pm

    If you turn your TV screen upside down you’ll actually see Julie Bishop “smile”

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:43 pm

    “When one person receives an entitlement, it comes out of the pocket of another Australian”

    At least that stops Fifi from spending it.

    **hic**

  30. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:43 pm

    I have a complaint for the caterer. Why are you spoiling perfectly good Clix Crackers by putting these tiny black salty balls on them. You might as well be serving us fish eggs or something.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:45 pm

    “Smack the dole bludgers”

    I’ve never heard of that before!

  32. May 13, 2014 7:45 pm

    Complaint noted ToSY….

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:46 pm

    “for Australians over 50…”

    Who gives a F**K about them? Aren’t they dead yet?

  34. May 13, 2014 7:46 pm

    “Madam Speaker for Australians over 50…”

    Or like you, bordering on 100…

  35. Dianne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:47 pm

    Envy of the world.
    One you missed out Reb.

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:48 pm

    “values all levels of education””

    …and charges accordingly!!

    ½ a bottle left.

  37. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:48 pm

    Once in a generation reforms.

    **GUZZLE**

  38. May 13, 2014 7:48 pm

    Thank you Dianne! 🙂

  39. May 13, 2014 7:48 pm

    Is Julie Bishop on some sort of methadone …?

  40. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:50 pm

    The Socialist Alliance kids are clearing their throats.

  41. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:50 pm

    Julie like this look, apparently.

    http://www.mooncostumes.com/image/19359

  42. May 13, 2014 7:51 pm

    l suspect JB is planning to `get some` after Joe`s blathering tonight

  43. Dianne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:51 pm

    I think Shane Warne is in Julie’s chair tonight

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:51 pm

    “a historical commitment”

    SWIG

  45. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:52 pm

    Medical Research Future Fund, or MIDRIFF.

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:53 pm

    I saw Warren Truss blink – he’s not dead!!

  47. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:53 pm

    Julie is getting more and more attractive.

    Just leave the whole tray, thanks waiter.

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:54 pm

    ‘reduce debt…”

    That’s a surprise!!

    Glug

  49. May 13, 2014 7:54 pm

    $300 billion dollars!

    #Eleventy

  50. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:55 pm

    I miss Wayne. He gave us announced a surplus every year.

  51. May 13, 2014 7:55 pm

    there is a lot of empty seats in the `house`, did you lot notice

  52. May 13, 2014 7:55 pm

    “Heavy lifting”

    Drinking straight from the bottle….

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:55 pm

    “heavy lifting”

    2nd bottle coming up.

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:57 pm

    “shovels will start moving”

    Is that a good thing?

  55. May 13, 2014 7:57 pm

    “shovels will start moving in a matter of months”

    Who are these so-called “shovel movers” and why should we fear them…?

  56. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:58 pm

    #empty seats
    #watchingfromthememebersbar
    #skol

  57. May 13, 2014 7:58 pm

    Truss is doing a fine `zombie` impression tonight, he looks as bored as bat-shit

  58. May 13, 2014 7:58 pm

    “They will lift living standards right across the nation”

    #thingsshovelliftersdo

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:59 pm

    See how Joe used his hands to emphasise “lifting”

    A PR guy taught him that, and I think it works really well.

  60. May 13, 2014 7:59 pm

    Julie Bishop’s taken some acid

  61. Dianne permalink
    May 13, 2014 7:59 pm

    I noticed Teabag. Maybe those seats are always empty.

  62. May 13, 2014 8:00 pm

    We are a nation of lifters not leaders..

    WTF does that mean?

  63. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:00 pm

    Nation of lifters, not leaners.

    Who writes this stuff?

    **chugalug**

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:00 pm

    “We’re a nation of lifters..”

    Is that a compliment?

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:01 pm

    I took my glasses off, Julie had them steamed up.

    Is that her now hosting 7.30?

  66. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:02 pm

    The shovel budget, or SHOB.

  67. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:02 pm

    Shop lifters?

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:03 pm

    “Shove it” budget.

  69. May 13, 2014 8:04 pm

    l can`t find my shovel. Looks like l`m off the hook.

  70. May 13, 2014 8:04 pm

    Coming Up – Smokin’ Joe on the 730 report…

  71. May 13, 2014 8:05 pm

    I need to open another bottle…

  72. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:05 pm

    Nation of lifters, not leaners,

    #nolnol.

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:05 pm

    Is that 2% on the part above $180K or all of it?

    that’s an outrage.

  74. May 13, 2014 8:07 pm

    hi Dianne, it was opposition and independent seats,
    they didn`t want to listen to Joe`s blather, can`t blame`em
    (Clive has better things to do)

  75. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:07 pm

    Fetch my smoking jacket. I’m breaking out the Habanas.

  76. May 13, 2014 8:08 pm

    Did he mention “growing the pie?” I might’ve missed that….

  77. May 13, 2014 8:09 pm

    I thought the whole thing was offensive and repugnant… #Justsayin

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:09 pm

    Is teabagz in charge of the controls? I’m going into spam, and that’s also a disgrace!

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:11 pm

    “growing the pie?”

    The staples have popped, it looks like he’s eaten it.

  80. May 13, 2014 8:12 pm

    Sorry ToM I don;t know what happened there..

  81. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:13 pm

    Sarah Ferguson: “Troubled times ahead in the Sennit”

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:13 pm

    Who’s this Chris – “they could have chosen to keep their promises”

    …and who would want that?

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:15 pm

    Re promises, Joe says – “you can play that game”

    Ok, do we have some new rules for the game since Our Julia?

  84. May 13, 2014 8:17 pm

    Nah yomm, l wouldn`t spam`ya even if l could, 🙂

    JB`s copying Fergies look tonight, (so is sabra) so that JB can `distract` from Joe`s horrors, it seems to be working on yomm

  85. May 13, 2014 8:17 pm

    “Heavy Lifting” WTF Is it…?

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:19 pm

    Heavy lifting with a shovel = hovel

  87. Dianne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:20 pm

    What kind of pie? Apple. Beef and burgundy. chicken and Mushroooooms. Maybe Stargazy. They reminded me of sardines in blue ties poking out of suet pastry, blind eyes lifted to the heavens where Menzies resides.

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:22 pm

    We’re good at research!!

    Along with heavy lifting!

    Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!!

    OI!OI!OI!

  89. Dianne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:23 pm

    Heavy lifting is what all those staggering to pensionable age do.

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:23 pm

    I think Joe prefers lard pie Dianne.

  91. May 13, 2014 8:24 pm

    Hahahah!

    Hockey just admitted they have new taxes..!

  92. May 13, 2014 8:24 pm

    good point on the GST by Ferguson, looks like this budget will also have most of the states at the teabags throats, yep, they`ve managed to piss-off `everybody`

  93. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:25 pm

    I’m sorry, but we make no apologies for that.

  94. Dianne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:25 pm

    Plenty of lard in Stargazy.

    Joe has goven the papers their headline tomorrow. Did I mishear or did he just agree there are new taxes in the Budget?

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:26 pm

    Are those government charges and the increased bit they take out of my income really “taxes”?

    Heavens!! How long has that been going on?

  96. Dianne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:26 pm

    I didn’t mishear. Gosh. No cigars tonight.

  97. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:27 pm

    Flexibildy, disabilidy, sustainabilidy.

    #warontheletter”t”

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:27 pm

    Plenty of lard in Stargazy.”

    Then that’s the pie Joe is talking about.

  99. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:28 pm

    “Flexibildy, disabilidy, sustainabilidy.”

    Did Our Julia write the speech?

  100. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:29 pm

    Chris Bowen needs to find a safe seat and tell Shorten to f**k off.

  101. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:31 pm

    Bowen has assumed the appropriate look of concern and outrage.

    “Your health should not be determined by your wealth.”

  102. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:33 pm

    (Nor by your physical fitness or abstinence, apparently.)

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:37 pm

    That’s it?

    It should be like the Logies, were everyone goes to an after party.

  104. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:44 pm

    I’m going to watch The Voice.

  105. May 13, 2014 8:48 pm

    I just had to pop out to get another bottle..

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:50 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/budget-pain-not-for-millionaires-who-pay-no-tax-20140512-zr9o3.html

    I’m thinking it really could be ‘one term tony’ 🙂

  107. Dianne permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:53 pm

    One column seems to be doing the heavy lifting.

  108. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 8:59 pm

    Yeah, I always get my budget analysis from the Greens.

    And Bernard Keane.

    #onestopshovelshop

  109. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:00 pm

    Crapper budgets? Crappier, perhaps?

    #bernardwordz

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:08 pm

    hi dianne
    yes, those cigar chomping fat cats are pretty heavy!

    I’m on a late tomorrow, I think I’ll get a bottle now and hold a wake for the australia that we once knew and loved. That was a wet dream of a budget written by the IPA, Shepherd’s Business Council and all those massive, secret liberal party donors.

  111. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:09 pm

    Crapper Budget.

  112. egg permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:11 pm

    Apparently the Opposition is going to do some prioritising.

  113. Dianne permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:11 pm

    Yes Armchair they have started to pull down the scaffolding which bore Fairish Go Oz aloft.

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:13 pm

    Yeah, I always get my budget analysis from the Greens.

    I can see you’d rather have joe and his rich mates blowing cigar smoke up your arse.

  115. May 13, 2014 9:17 pm

    ”””””””””””””Yeah, I always get my budget analysis from the Greens. And Bernard Keane.””””’

    l`m sure you will come back tomorrow with a full throated budget opinion after bolt and teh-ipa have told you what it is Tinfoil`osy

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:21 pm

    Hope they take a poll tonight or tomorrow, before the shysters and IPA spinners start lying – best not to even turn on the TV and radio for a few days.

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:22 pm

    Shit! A Hyundai hearse just pulled up outside … WTF! Already?

  118. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:22 pm

    “I can see you’d rather have joe and his rich mates blowing cigar smoke up your arse.”

    Feels nice. 😯

  119. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:23 pm

    “best not to even turn on the TV and radio for a few days.”

    Hide under the covers. Works for me.

  120. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:25 pm

    I’m not sure whether I’m supposed to be lifting or digging.

    #divisionoflabour

  121. May 13, 2014 9:34 pm

    ””””””””’The latest tax statistics show 75 ultra-high-earning Australians paid no tax at all in 2011-12. Zero. Zip.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/budget-pain-not-for-millionaires-who-pay-no-tax-20140512-zr9o3.html

    Each earned more than $1 million from investments or wages. Between them they made $195 million, an average of $2.6 million each.

    The fortunate 75 paid no income tax, no Medicare levy and no Medicare surcharge, even though 60 of them had private health insurance.

    The reason? They managed to cut their combined taxable incomes to $82. That’s right, $1.10 each.””””””””””’

    lsn`t it wonderful that those that can extract the most from our country don`t end up contributing at all. #teabags

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:36 pm

    There go all those well cultivated howard battlers, running into the wide open arms of clive. You can count on clive being against that budget.

  123. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:43 pm

    “When it came to investing they bought up big on shares that paid so-called franking credits on which they could claim tax deductions and stayed away from those that did not. They received $18.7 million in franked dividends in 2011-12, and only $565,000 in dividends that were unfranked.”

    So-called Peter Martin/SMH.

  124. egg permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:43 pm

    I’m not happy with the idea that unemployed people under 30 have to wait 6 months before getting the dole. On face value it seems stupid and inhumane.

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 13, 2014 9:54 pm

    Highlights Of Hockey’s 2014 Budget:

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/13/highlights-hockeys-2014-budget

    …Business largely escaped the cost-cutting. A corporate tax cut of 1.5 per cent will flow to 8000 companies. There were no changes to big tax breaks for business and wealthy individuals, such as negative gearing, capital gains tax, and superannuation exemptions…

  126. Tony permalink
    May 13, 2014 10:09 pm

    “Time for riots”

    Yeah, right. Ya should occupy a shovel.

    🙄

  127. egg permalink
    May 13, 2014 10:16 pm

    No bullet trains, pathetic.

  128. May 13, 2014 10:22 pm

    ”””””””””If Labor, Green and PUP have a big enough set of plums, this budget will never pass the senate… #Budget2014””””’

    pups plum farm is ready to harvest #Go-Clive

    (tho l do share Tinfoil`osy`s unsurprisement that the bastards will do all they can to be the bastards they are)

  129. May 13, 2014 10:26 pm

    ””””No bullet trains”””’

    don`t worry dumpty, it`s in the `pipeline`, it is in the `cue` right behind the parramatta to epping rail bypass/link

  130. May 13, 2014 10:30 pm

    ””””””””””’I’m not happy with the idea that unemployed people under 30 have to wait 6 months before getting the dole. On face value it seems stupid and inhumane.””””””

    that`s strange dumpty, you said ””good”” earlier, come to`ya senses briefly l see, have ya`worked out the false economy of it, that is likely to ensue

  131. Walrus permalink
    May 13, 2014 10:31 pm

    FMD even I’m personally affected. But Mrs Walrus is very happy.

    My salary is to be cut to $179,099 by my accountant from the 1st of July but he’s increasing Mrs Walrus’ to $179,999

    He’s a right proper Cnut !

  132. Meta permalink
    May 14, 2014 12:57 am

    (Well, that was an interesting budget.

    Incidentally, el g, a ‘snowpiercer‘ might be more appropriate for the impending Little Ice Age.)

  133. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 7:33 am

    ‘that`s strange dumpty, you said ””good”” earlier’

    It was on the other fred, in relation to starting retirement age at 70.

  134. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 7:35 am

    ‘He’s a right proper Cnut !’

    I predict it will become a fashionable trend.

  135. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 7:47 am

    ‘…the impending Little Ice Age.’

    http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/28/5335822/snowpiercer-english-debut

    Good catch Meta.

  136. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:00 am

    ‘The Abbott government says the infrastructure package in Tuesday’s budget will “catalyse” up to $40bn in new investments – but its own specific contribution, depending on where you cut it, is in the order of only $5bn.’

    Murphy / Guardian

    Ah yes, I see it all so clearly now.

  137. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:12 am

    Do I hear the rumblings of a Double Dissolution?

    Nah. Just Bill Shorten with fkn more piss and wind …

    Egg, I agree re the 6 months wait – what if the poor bastards have a family to support …

    Cruel, deceitful, cynical class warfare aimed at the weak, poor and defenceless of our society … the cuts/changes to welfare are permanent the increased taxes on those earning over $180k are temporary (as if $200 would bother them) … even the latter is unfair – they already pay the highest tax rate …

    … not a bloody thing about any changes to pollies perqs and a benefit to business with a tax cut …

    Sharing and caring my arse …

    As for LIAR that’s the whole Lieberal Party … anywhere else in the world there would be people on the streets …

    Won’t affect me much personally … but I feel for those people less well off and struggling …

    How does removing support from people help them to get jobs … how does charging more for education, training and development help individuals and the nation improve …

    Building a nation … my arse

    And will all the “infrastructure” – roads be sold off as toll roads once WE have built them …

    It’ll keep sacked miners off the street – for a little while …

    Welcome to the thin edge of the wedge to the slippery slope to the USA …

    The poor die off and the rich smoke cigars …

    This budget is really about keeping the Robber Barons’ grist mills churning out profits, keeping the great unwashed controlled and the born to rule in power – the true destiny of the tories …

    Go Clivey!

  138. Dianne permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:31 am

    What he is Walrus is someone who thrives on conflict. He will be singing in the shower this morning because he was out last night tipping over rubbish bins.

    He has delivered well for his masters.

    Plenty more to come.

    We are being dismantled.

  139. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:38 am

    ‘I agree re the 6 months wait – what if the poor bastards have a family to support …’

    Exactly. And what if someone has been sacked through no fault of their own, surely they deserve a safety net too.

  140. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:46 am

    ‘And will all the “infrastructure” – roads be sold off as toll roads once WE have built them …’

    Doubtful. The $5 billion for the road builds appears to be a sweetener, before the $40 billion flows in from China and the Emirates.

    Road building will most likely be done by Australian workers, while the bullet trains to come later will probably be built by coolie labour.

  141. May 14, 2014 8:53 am

    You can watch Snowpiercer for free here:

    http://putlocker.bz/watch-snowpiercer-online-free-putlocker.html

    two and half stars.

  142. May 14, 2014 9:12 am
  143. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 9:19 am

    ‘You can watch Snowpiercer for free’

    Thanx

    GST will have to be increased.

  144. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 9:24 am

    Good News

    The Mushroom Spawn Levy has been doubled

  145. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 9:25 am

    “”GST will have to be increased.””

    I hope so

  146. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 9:29 am

    The best day of my life.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 9:59 am

    Oakes still the best and fairest …

    Good find, sb, and yes “symbolism” is important …

    I see the school chaplaincy program has been extended – probably using the money cut from CSIRO …

    … religion over science is always a winner …

    I hear a bloke is organising a convoy to Canberra and asking people to reword the last signs they used eg DITCH THE WITCH

    The competition for new signs has the front runner as … PUNT THE C**T …

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 10:04 am

    “”GST will have to be increased.””

    I hope so

    You really do want to boost the incomes of the funeral directors at the expense of the poor, fixed income defenceless people in our society, Wally …

    The big difference between those that lean left and right – in a word – compassion … and another word – empathy …

  149. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 10:10 am

    ‘I hope so’

    Cleaver strategy by Abbott.

  150. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 10:16 am

    “”………..You really do want to boost the incomes of the funeral directors at the expense of the poor, fixed income defenceless people in our society,””

    It’s PE Ratio is rather high at the moment but the rate of earnings growth is likely to be excellent

    http://www.invocare.com.au

  151. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 10:29 am

    And another word: bullshit.

  152. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2014 10:56 am

    The adult daughter of a friend is a little slow. Her boyfriend has some type of mild compulsive disorder.

    Both would be quite capable of working basic job – packing and labelling in a warehouse, looking after council gardens, giving food out in a hospital, weighing fruit and vegetables in a green grocer. But both seem to prefer the disability pension, which I presume they’ll take for another 45 years until they qualify for the old age pension.

    Just coughing up 40 years of welfare for people in their mid 20s isn’t compassionate or showing empathy.

    There seems to be a little slack in the system that should be tightened up.

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 10:59 am

    And another word: bullshit.

    You’re dead right, ToSY … Abbott and Hockey are certainly bullshit artists … like many of their supporters …

    The more I read this “budget” the more I suspect it will actually damage the economy rather than help it – and thus society …

    Ideologically driven, poorly conceived, badly planned and amateurishly executed (excuse the pun!)

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:10 am

    Just coughing up 40 years of welfare for people in their mid 20s isn’t compassionate or showing empathy.There seems to be a little slack in the system that should be tightened up.

    So tighten the system up … don’t destroy other people’s lives in a blanket fix just becaue of a minority …

    BTW, once again you are playing the “expert” in health and medical issues … based upon one anecdotal scenario …

    If the case is as you describe it screams out that we need more specialised workplaces (what used to be called sheltered workshops) and more specialised training and development programs …

    So what has this budget provided in the way of creating more job opportunities? Lowering the business tax 1.5% … ???

    Then what … axing PS jobs reducing funding the ABC/SBS … attacking uni and TAFE and schools …

    And encouraging parents who want a paid six months off work to have a baby … *

    Hockey and Abbott have set out to control ordinary people while giving business a free rein and insidiously inserting the Christian faith into the schools while withdrawing support for general education …

    *sarc alert …

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:12 am

    GST will have to be increased.

    no, negative gearing and things like superannuation rorts and mining subsidies need to be ceased.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/14/hockeys-mean-budget-full-contradictions:

    [John Quiggin] …If you want to get a feeling for the mess of contradictions, meanness, trickiness and tribalism that is the Abbott-Hockey Government’s first budget, it’s worth looking at two of the biggest decisions it contains.
    The first is the massive cut of $7.5 billion to foreign aid, repudiating commitments made in Australia’s name by the previous government. The second is the proposal for a $20 billion fund for medical research, notionally financed out of co-payments made by sick people for visits to the doctor…

  156. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:21 am

    “”So what has this budget provided in the way of creating more job opportunities? “”

    An $80B infrastructure program concentrating on developing greater productivity by diverting taxpayer funds from consumption spending (Family Tax Benefit A & B etc) to investment

    And I don’t feel much sympathy for those PS bludgers at the ABC or SBS let alone the low life tax payer bludging scumbags from Canberra who sit around on their fat arses all day “”self studying”” to becoming 4th rate “Citizen Journos” who every second day need to issue half hearted apologies in between bouts on their mythical deathbed

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:32 am

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:37 am

    more from quiggin [in same article referenced above]

    …Unfortunately for Abbott and Hockey, the public has grown tired of the kind of theatre exemplified by Commissions of Audit, horror budgets and so on. But, with nothing much better on offer from Labor and the Greens, they may well switch to the vaudeville of people like Clive Palmer…

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:45 am

    no wonder the dickhead only ever has invite only meet & greets:

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:49 am

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:59 am

    Budget is a moral failure…

    I think he is spot on with his analysis reb.

  162. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 12:14 pm

    “”Budget is a moral failure…””

    Coming from the Guardian……………………..what a surprise !

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 12:17 pm

    Coming from the Guardian……………………..what a surprise !

    haha, coz murdoch’s media and shock jock radio is just so respected and unbiased 🙄

    Budget 2014: Senate showdown looms after Clive Palmer’s ‘no back-down’ pledge on GP co-payments
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-14/clive-palmer-to-definitely-oppose-gp-co-payment/5451356

  164. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 12:24 pm

    Moralising moralisers.

  165. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 12:26 pm

    Who needs priests when you’ve got economists offering moral guidance?

  166. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 12:33 pm

    Lefties are loving Clive because he’s thorn in Abbott’s side. Everything else about him is irrelevant.

  167. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 12:34 pm

    Great news for those of you who wanted energy consumption/CO2 production curtailed.

    Fantastic news for people like TB and Kitty et al………….

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/energy-disconnections-on-the-rise-as-gas-prices-surge-20140513-387tn.html

  168. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 12:39 pm

    “no wonder the dickhead only ever has invite only meet & greets:””

    Vilma Vs. Tony Abbott

    Pensioners are always really bitter, twisted and angry all the time.

    Just look at TB for proof of that…………..!

  169. May 14, 2014 12:43 pm

    “The truth is that, in this budget, the poor will make a permanent sacrifice, while the rich make only a temporary one. The 2 per cent tax levy on people earning over $180,000 expires after three years. The cuts to welfare and pensions will endure….”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/the-populist-pm-is-gone-meet-abbott-the-ideologue-20140513-388d8.html#ixzz31ecby4H7

  170. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 12:48 pm

    They get to keep their carbon tax over-compensation

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 12:58 pm

    Who needs priests when you’ve got economists offering moral guidance?

    who needs priests anyway? [prefer our own to their immoral version of morals]

    Lefties are loving Clive because he’s thorn in Abbott’s side. Everything else about him is irrelevant.

    yeppers!
    His personal mission to destroy the LNP is a win win for all.

    Do I hear a rallying bugle call nearby for a new abbott/LNP slush fund to ‘get’ clive as they did over hanson? Oh silly me, they’ve already got the slush funds tucked away in all those secret fronts 😉

  172. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 1:08 pm

    Meanwhile at ICAC:

    A lunchtime visit to a Sydney jail was suggested to a key witness at a corruption inquiry as a reminder of the consequences of lying.

    Tim Koelma, a former adviser to former energy minister Chris Hartcher, was asked repeatedly at the Independent Commission Against Corruption on Wednesday if he wanted to “recant” his evidence about an alleged Liberal Party slush fund.

    “I want to give you every chance, Mr Koelma. Can I just remind you: even if you relent now and tell the truth, people might go easy on you,” counsel assisting the commission, Geoffrey Watson, SC, said. “It’s time to get out, Mr Koelma.”

    Mr Koelma replied: “I’m not sure what you’re driving at.”

    Mr Watson suggested Mr Koelma could “take a cab out to Malabar [Long Bay Correctional Centre] and have a good look” at lunchtime.

    He then apologised and added: “I shouldn’t have said that to you, Mr Koelma.”

    Commissioner Megan Latham said that Mr Koelma should be well aware of the consequences of giving false or misleading evidence to the ICAC, an offence punishable by up to five years in jail.

    The ICAC is investigating allegations that Mr Koelma set up a “sham company” called Eightbyfive which issued “phony invoices” for services to property developers and other businesses to disguise the fact they were making illegal donations to the Liberal Party.

    Property developers have been banned from making political donations in NSW since December 2009.

    “Mr Hartcher was the mastermind of this,” Mr Watson suggested of the Eightbyfive scheme.

    “Absolutely not,” Mr Koelma replied.

    The inquiry has heard the money was used by Mr Hartcher and fellow Central Coast MPs Chris Spence and Darren Webber to bankroll their successful 2011 election campaign.

    Mr Koelma, who started giving evidence on Tuesday, denied Eightbyfive was a “sham” and said he was providing media and political advice to the businesses he invoiced.

    But he admitted on Wednesday that he lied to Branwell Black, a Liberal Party lawyer, about his involvement in the company when the party’s head office started investigating its activities in March 2012.

    The inquiry heard he told Mr Black he had no involvement in Eightbyfive while simultaneously billing property developer group Gazcorp for tens of thousands of dollars for “sham” services.

    Mr Watson said he had told Mr Black a “black-hearted lie”, a suggestion Mr Koelma denied.

    Mr Koelma said Mr Black had confronted him with “unsourced” and “unsubstantiated” allegations and he gave a “cagey” response.

  173. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 1:20 pm

    ‘So tighten the system up … don’t destroy other people’s lives in a blanket fix just becaue of a minority …’

    There are 200,000 cannabis dependent individuals in Australia who can’t hold down a job. What to do?

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 1:22 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/14/budget-2014-the-fallout-from-joe-hockeys-announcements-politics-live?CMP=twt_gu#block-5372ca77e4b09db46fef2e25

    Q: Can I assume you have modelled the excise indexation of petrol, and specifically could I go to the ‘tax on a tax’ effect. Twice a year under your proposal, excise will go up and the GST will push the price up further on that. When will we reach $2 a litre for petrol – which would mean it would cost something like $140 to fill a family Camry?

    Hockey:
    Well, Malcolm, let me put it another way.

    (Well yes, quite. For the record, Hockey declined to answer when petrol would hit $2 per litre courtesy of the GST and indexation.)

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 1:24 pm

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 1:26 pm

    https://twitter.com/SymnWaters/status/466400617196683266

  177. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 1:33 pm

    “………..Hockey declined to answer when petrol would hit $2 per litre courtesy of the GST and indexation.)””

    Not to mention the Carbon Tax of course.

    KL you should be rejoicing in these rises in power and fuel costs as they curtail CO2

    Hockey has adopted a Green agenda for different reasons ( raising revenue).

    The End justifies the Means afterall

  178. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 1:40 pm

    “Hockey has adopted a Green agenda for different reasons (raising revenue).”

    How is that a different agenda? The Carbon Tax could never affect global temperature. It was merely to raise revenue.

    Oh alright then, maybe it also enabled a lot of wankers feel good about themselves.

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 1:45 pm

    KL you should be rejoicing in these rises in power and fuel costs as they curtail CO2

    precisely how walrus? by socialised incentives for big business?

    revenue raising paid by poor old pensioners shivering to death in their unheated homes because they can’t pay more in power bills? meanwhile big business/fossil fuel industry is not curtailed in any way, they are subsidised by those same poor folks to keep on polluting the air they breathe.

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 14, 2014 1:54 pm

  181. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 2:13 pm

    Aren’t the fossil fuel industry the ones providing the energy? At prices pensioners can afford? Maybe it is better to have very expensive energy only when the sun shines and the wind blows, but I can’t understand that logic.

    And what will $71 trillion even mean to the few remaining people huddling in their caves? Has the Climate Council ever told the truth about anything? I think not. They are just rope-a-dope scare-mongers providing cover for climate profiteers.

  182. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 2:33 pm

    I’m certainly not rich, but, in retirement, I plan never to darken the doorway of Centrelink. I’m paying the maximum concessional contributions into my super – currently $25,000 or $35,000, depending on your age – so I can be “self-funded”. Those amounts are the same whether you’re earning $50,000 or $10,000,000. This was Paul Keating’s plan: encourage people to provide for themselves and take pressure of the aged pension. Calling superannuation “tax concessions for the rich” is class warfare and the politics of envy.

    Bernard Keane is a disgrace.

  183. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 2:34 pm

    *pressure off

  184. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 2:52 pm

    ‘Calling superannuation “tax concessions for the rich” is class warfare and the politics of envy.’

    It’s also wrong.

  185. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:07 pm

    Tony, isn’t the issue that beyond a certain age you can have millions in the fund earning tax-free income and not pay tax on the distributions? Surely there is room for a means test so that ordinary tax is paid on the income and distributions beyond a certain level?

    The concessions should only be what is necessary to ensure that people save a reasonable amount for retirement. Beyond that amount normal tax should apply.

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:18 pm

  187. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:20 pm

    The only way you’d get millions into super is by paying additional non-concessional contributions out of your after-tax income (on which you’ve already paid tax at your marginal rate). Tax-free distributions are only available in retirement, and the super fund has already paid tax on any profits. But isn’t that the point of super, to be an attractive alternative to the aged pension?

    https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Super/In-detail/Contributions/Super-contributions—too-much-super-can-mean-extra-tax/

  188. May 14, 2014 3:22 pm

    Calling superannuation “tax concessions for the rich” is class warfare and the politics of envy.”

    I disagree…

    Many working people cant afford to pay extra contributions into super, let alone pay their mortgage, so it definitely benefits those who can afford.

    Secondly, as Snacty will attest, reducing an individual’s pre-taxable income by making additional contributions into super is a well-worn strategy of financial advisers in helping their clients pay little or no tax. As is, getting you to pay additional super contributions into your partner’s superannuation fund.

    All perfectly legit and above board of course – for those who can afford to pay a financial adviser for the privilege, and for those who have the income to make those sorts of contributions.

    So yes, it benefits the rich and those on middle to high incomes much more than it does someone earning $40,000 – $80,000 a year.

  189. May 14, 2014 3:26 pm

    “The only way you’d get millions into super is by paying additional non-concessional contributions out of your after-tax income”

    The other way is to make pre-tax contributions into your spouse’s super fund. Which is ideal for a couple where one member of the household is a high-income earner, and the other is a low-income earner, which sounds an awful lot like rich middle-class men and their wives who might work one hour a day at the kid’s tuck shop.

    Coincidental I’m sure.

  190. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:29 pm

    “So yes, it benefits the rich and those on middle to high incomes much more than it does someone earning $40,000 – $80,000 a year.”

    Depends. If they have paid off their mortgage, educated and got rid of their kids, and are relatively debt-free, it’s conceivable that even someone on $40,000 might be able to put most of their income into super.

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:31 pm

    Just look at TB for proof of that…………..!

    Someone once called me the oldest angry young man they knew, Wally …

    My concern is for those worse off (and getting even worse off) than myself …

    And I do fire up on issues of justice and equality …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh silly me, they’ve already got the slush funds tucked away in all those secret fronts

    Shouldn’t that be, “secret fonts”, KL?

    ===============================

    I’m paying the maximum concessional contributions into my super – currently $25,000 or $35,000, depending on your age

    … I’m very pleased for you, ToSY, and wish I had had that sort of opportunity … so would millions of other workers in fact …

    Did you know you put into super what some people earn … and if you’re single, almost twice as much as a single pensioner lives on … and what a pensioner couple survive on …

    Did I tell you that many BB PAID for a pension in taxes – till 1992 … did I tell you that the compulsory super scheme has only been around for 22 years … did I tell you that Keating’s plan was to reach 12% but the LibNits held it back for over a decade (had they not held back the pool would have doubled and the LibRips wouldn’t be ripping older people off)

    Thank goodness we live in an egalitarian land of the fair go and looking after your mates …

  192. May 14, 2014 3:32 pm

    “it’s conceivable that even someone on $40,000 might be able to put most of their income into super.”

    Sure, it’s conceivable.

    But is it likely.

    Fuck no.

  193. May 14, 2014 3:33 pm

    “Thank goodness we live in an egalitarian land of the fair go and looking after your mates …”

    Droll TB, very droll…. 🙂

  194. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:35 pm

    Tony if a retired individual has $10mil in a super fund and it earns $1m per year are you saying they should pay no tax at all?

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:42 pm

    At prices pensioners can afford?

    That is a sarcastic comment I take it, sb …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Depends. If they have paid off their mortgage, educated and got rid of their kids, and are relatively debt-free, it’s conceivable that even someone on $40,000 might be able to put most of their income into super.

    it’s conceivable that even someone on $40,000 might be able to put most of their income into super.

    paid off their mortgage, educated and got rid of their kids

    Just how fkn old are you, ToSY?

    You don’t seem to know much about owning a home (paid for or not), you don’t seem to know much about bringing up kids … particularly Gen Y kids …

    Rates, power, water, maintenance, food, clothes, spring immediately to mind …

    … as for “get rid of the kids!” LOL! LOL!

    put most of their income into super

    Most? Is that before tax or after tax?

    Fk its hard work here sometimes …

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:44 pm

    Tony if a retired individual has $10mil in a super fund and it earns $1m per year are you saying they should pay no tax at all?

    LOL! sb, even “droller” …

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:50 pm

    But isn’t that the point of super, to be an attractive alternative to the aged pension?

    Yes, but the greedy millionaires want both! Ever heard of Robber Barons? Greedy pricks …

    http://www.humanservices.gov.au/spw/customer/publications/resources/rt010/rt010-1307en.pdf

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:50 pm

    Page 28/29 on last link

  199. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 3:51 pm

    Probably Splatter. If they’ve got $10,000,000 in super then most of the money they put in has already been taxed at (presumably, judging by the large amount) the highest marginal rate. They have chosen to invest their own money into super rather than somewhere else. So far, so good. Then the super fund pays 15% tax on those contributions. Should there be further marginal tax taken out before they receive their distributions? I’m not sure, but I’m inclined to think the rules should be the same for all.

  200. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 4:02 pm

    Pretty sure you can get big licks in without the15% tax. That usually applies where a larger deduction has been available to the contributor either directly or because it is a pre-tax amount from the employer.

    But my question is why can an individual’s super fund earn, say, $1m and pay no tax. That looks like a badly targeted concession at the very least.

  201. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 4:04 pm

    “Most? Is that before tax or after tax?”

    If you’d been paying attention, you’d know I could only be talking about Concessional Contributions, which are before tax. So if a person grossed $40,000, and the employer has paid the compulsory 9% contribution (now 9.25%) of $3,600, you could pay a maximum $21,400 into super. The maximum amount of tax you would pay on the remaining $18,600 is $76 – if you had no other deductions.

  202. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 4:06 pm

    “Pretty sure you can get big licks in without the15% tax.”

    Maybe. Where’s Walrus when you need him? 😉

  203. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 4:10 pm

    You can put in $450k non-concessional (i.e. you don’t get a deduction and the fund pays no tax) every threee years. And then there is your partner’s fund.

  204. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 4:14 pm

    But the point is not so much what you can put in, but that income above a certain amount should be subject to normal tax rates. So let’s be generous here and say that, in pension phase, the first $50k of income each year is tax free and the rest is taxed at the marginal rate. $50k tax free should provide a pretty good lifestyle don’t you think?

  205. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 4:22 pm

    I’m not inclined to punish someone who has already paid tax on their income and decided to put it into super, especially by giving it to government to waste.

    “concessional contributions above the concessional cap are taxed at 46.5%.”

    https://www.ato.gov.au/Super/Self-managed-super-funds/Understanding-tax-and-SMSFs/

  206. Meta permalink
    May 14, 2014 4:29 pm

    Kidsbegone*…

    And in the end, if there is an audience for this Budget perhaps it is only elderly people who listened to right-wing talkback radio. Changes to the pension won’t come into effect until after the election (leaving plenty of time to be adjusted or smoothed over with other payments), changes to DSP affect only those under 35, and the major cuts target those with young families rather than ones who had kids decades ago.

    *New definition(s) of kidult is <6/25/30/35.)

  207. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 4:31 pm

    If a person invested $150,000 pa for three years in an interest bearing account, they’d pay their marginal tax rate on the interest and could withdraw the money whenever they liked, whether retired or not.

    If that same person invested the same money in super, the super fund would pay tax on any intetest or dividends it earned (less franking credits and expenses), but they can’t access their money until retirement. Why should they then pay tax upon withdrawal?

  208. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 4:32 pm

    If someone pays tax on their income and then invests it they pay tax on the invesment earnings. That is not “punishment”. However, if the investment is through a superfund in pension phase there is no tax no matter how much income is earned.

    This is a tax concession. It should not be unlimited but rather applicable only up to a reasonable amount – say $50k of income. The objective of the super tax rules is not to provide tax free or highly concessional rates of tax to high incomes.

  209. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 4:48 pm

    “if the investment is through a superfund in pension phase”

    You can’t make investments into a pension account. You’d need to invest in a separate accumulation account, which would still pay tax.

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 5:02 pm

    If a person invested $150,000 pa …

    Obviously some of us have never had bread and dripping for breakfast and asked if they could have some of the gravy!

    Or lived off army rations for a couple of weeks …

    How the cards of life do fall …

  211. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 5:22 pm

    I was assuming the money was put in prior to that. I’m in my late 50s. I could put in quite a lot (if I had it) for my wife and me prior to pension phase.

    The bottom line is that there is a ridiculous uncapped concession on superfund earnings in pension phase. It should be capped.

  212. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 5:27 pm

    “”That looks like a badly targeted concession at the very least.””

    Only if you are not the “bullseye””………………….LOL

  213. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 14, 2014 5:39 pm

    I feel like the horse’s arse in all of this. Plenty of people out there earning large amounts of untaxed income while I try to scrape together a small super plan.

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 5:51 pm

    The bottom line is that there is a ridiculous uncapped concession on superfund earnings in pension phase. It should be capped.

    By that I guess you mean the income test tightened – and I agree … …

  215. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 5:53 pm

    Sorry for my absence. But someone had to grow a set amongst all the gnashing of teeth and collective wailing over what happened last night.

    So I dusted myself off this morning after Joe’s attempted pillage of my finances and out into the cruel world I strolled……………….LOL

    After all that I’m sure TB and KL have decided never to vote LNP ever…………ever…………again ……….LOL

    Anyway keeping it simple the non concessional limits are $150K per annum or you can put in $450K in one hit via the 3 year roll forward provisions. But then you cant put anything in during the following 2 years………..get my drift

    I just happen to have a client who has recently received an inheritance of > $1.1M and his wife is 1 year younger than he. They have access to their Super at 62 years and 63 years respectively so I’ve advised them to put in $150K before this 30 June coming up ( so there goes a total of $300K ) then on 1 July or anytime in the 2015 year they can put in $450K each (there goes $900K) by using the roll forward provisions.

    Hey Presto…………………………………..$1.2M just disappeared into Super.

    But don’t forget if there is a large age gap between partners you’ll end up with one being able to access but another perhaps having to wait years before they can access.
    In their case they only need to wait a 2 years for her to access.

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 6:06 pm

    Thanks, Wally, (and you were MIA BTW) … but you just made the case for a total review of the rich being eligible for the pension … and the case for a review of the super concessions as, sb, has succinctly pointed out …

    People with a million bucks do not need the pension … unless they are pretty awful money managers … although you probably proved that they are … they had to come and see you … how much did you charge BTW? 🙂

  217. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 6:10 pm

    BTW, Wally I did giggle at this …

    And I don’t feel much sympathy for those PS bludgers at the ABC or SBS let alone the low life tax payer bludging scumbags from Canberra who sit around on their fat arses all day

    One shiny arse rubbishing other shiny arses … LOL!

    Productivity, much?

    Shoving other people’s money around on the chess board … win some, lose some (of other folk’s money) … but still get paid, I love pure cash flow business …

  218. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 6:27 pm

    ‘Elsewhere, the budget papers shine some light on the recent enthusiasm for states and territories to privatise assets, revealing $5 billion in federal infrastructure funding is up for grabs on a “first come, first served basis”.

    ‘That five-year program rewards states and territories with 15 per cent of the price of the asset sold if all the sale proceeds are for new infrastructure. This may explain why the Napthine government has come around to the idea of leasing the Port of Melbourne and selling the Rural Finance Corporation.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/federal-budget-2014-rail-link-misses-out-on-infrastructure-spend-in-victoria-20140513-3880s.html#ixzz31g0axw6R

  219. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 6:33 pm

    ‘Living up to Tony Abbott’s aspiration of being known as the ‘infrastructure prime minister’, infrastructure is the cornerstone of this budget. The $11.6 billion Infrastructure Growth
    Package together with existing announced projects provides a total of $50 billion federal funding infrastructure commitment over the next 6 years.

    ‘This funding, combined with state and private sector, is expected to generate a total of $125 billion investment in infrastructure across the nation. This substantial infrastructure investment will help support Australia’s productivity in the long term and will be important in the short term in generating economic activity as the economy transitions from resource investment led growth.’

    Paul Foxlee, National Head of Transport & Infrastructure (KPMG)

  220. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 6:35 pm

    … and the case for a review of the super concessions as, sb, has succinctly pointed out … “”

    I like giving them concessions in what we call the “”Accumulation Phase”” but in the “Pension Phase”” they do need to be looked at.

    But if 4% (risk free) is the common bank interest rate now lets say then for a couple they should be able to earn $80K (meaning $2M x 4%) without too much tax. The tax free threshold for them should be the amount of the full pension anyway afterall the couple on a pension get that by very definition tax free.

    What happens from then on is the real question

    And if the have a house worth more than $2 but no super then the government should be able to pay them a pension with a growing negative mortgage over the house until the last on carks it.

    Otherwise the kids just get it and come to me and I throw it into their super fund.

    “”… how much did you charge BTW? “”…………………….Hehehehehehehehe……………plenty

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 7:03 pm

    Wally – you really do highlight the fact that the people actually living just off the pension are the ones to suffer in this … not those with capital and a part pension …

    But if 4% (risk free) is the common bank interest rate now lets say then for a couple they should be able to earn $80K (meaning $2M x 4%) without too much tax. The tax free threshold for them should be the amount of the full pension anyway afterall the couple on a pension get that by very definition tax free.

    BTW that $80k is tax free too! And you seem to agree that’s where the government should have pointed its witch hunt … but guess what? And guess why?

    Let’s hit the poor folk … ideology at work …

  222. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2014 7:07 pm

    Just found this link

    http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/economics/government-debt_gov-debt-table-en

    Govt debt in 2008 was 13.9% of GDP. In 2013 it is now 34.4% of GDP and rapidly increasing.

    We are in big trouble.

  223. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 7:45 pm

    No need to panic Neil, the adults have their hands on the leavers.

    Phillip O’Neill, Professorial Research Fellow, Urban Research Centre at University of Western Sydney (Conversation)

    ‘It is heartening that federal politicians continue to acknowledge the need for raised infrastructure expenditure. It is disappointing, though, that the Coalition government has not shown any intention to explore new options for funding and delivering the infrastructure services needed in an advanced 21st century economy.

    ‘Australian financial institutions are seen worldwide as successful innovators in infrastructure financing. So too, Australian infrastructure constructors and operators are world leaders.

    ‘Yet our governments, state and federal, seem incapable of harnessing this expertise to develop a new suite of world-leading, sustainable, productive infrastructure. Australian firms are leading infrastructure designers and providers offshore. Unfortunately we currently lack the political will and imagination to mobilise these at home.’

  224. TB Queensland permalink
    May 14, 2014 7:50 pm

    No need to panic Neil, the adults have their hands on the leavers.

    … that last word says it all … is “leavers”* another weasel word for elderly people?

    … even if you could spell it would have impact … older people don’t like being levered …

  225. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 7:58 pm

    ‘….is “leavers”* another weasel word for elderly people?’

    chuckle *

    That’s my second spelling mistake today, earlier I said Abbott’s strategy was cleaver. In other news…

    ———

    She is the little old lady who gave Prime Minister Tony Abbott a massive serve on live TV.

    ‘But since 85-year-old Vilma Ward’s segment on Network Ten’s Wake Up went viral on Wednesday it has emerged she has strong ties to the Labor party and was selected by the show’s producers.

    ‘Ms Ward, a former ALP member, told MailOnline she was called by Ten last week and she had ‘no idea’ why she was selected.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627862/Wake-Up-Fake-Up-The-real-story-Vilma-pensioner-blasted-Tony-Abbott-budget-live-TV.html#ixzz31gMc7MuQ
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:02 pm

    “No need to panic Neil, the adults have their hands on the leavers.”

    Yep but if there was an election now the Coalition would lose.

    Most ALP supporters think money grows on trees, Debt is not a problem, we are sovereign in our own currency and we can print money to get out of our problems.

    They are of course insane but the insane people are close to gaining govt.

  227. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:18 pm

    “I was assuming the money was put in prior to that.”

    Fair enough.

    “I’m in my late 50s.”

    I’ve never mentioned my age. TB always asks (see above), or he’ll ask what you do for a living. I never tell him. It must drive him crazy. 😀

  228. May 14, 2014 8:37 pm

    l see Tinfoil`osy is at it again on the `super` front. Under Costello `super` WAS a tax-haven for the rich, (armchair and l already arse-fcuked you on the other thread, despite your hit and run)

    and `super` could still be seen as a benefit for the `rich` to receive a`tax-discount`, particularly by those of us that earn too little to afford `any` size salary sacrifice,

    if you can sock away the $30K.p.a into `super` then you should consider yourself `blessed`, as many don`t even earn $30K.p.a

  229. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:45 pm

    ” (armchair and l already arse-fcuked you on the other thread, despite your hit and run)”

    Only in your medication-addled dreams, fuckwad.

  230. egg permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:45 pm

    ‘Yep but if there was an election now the Coalition would lose.’

    So he won’t risk a Double Dissolution?

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:48 pm

    ” (armchair and l already arse-fcuked you on the other thread, despite your hit and run)”

    As I recall it, you didn’t even understand there was a cap of $25k (or $35k for the more mature)

    Generally misrepresentation is your greatest skill, best you leave actual debate to people with a grasp of “facts”

  232. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 8:52 pm

    “as many don`t even earn $30K.p.a”

    Perhaps if you had paid attention in class and learned how to express yourself properly you might have slipped into a higher tax bracket. Or learned to be civil occasionally.

  233. May 14, 2014 9:05 pm

    ””’As I recall it, you didn’t even understand there was a cap of $25k (or $35k””’

    l didn`t know the `latest` on it, the `cap`, which is `about` 12-months old, for the #16-years before that, l was 100% correct, armchair too.

    .

    ”””misrepresentation is your”””

    misrepresentation was all Tinfoil`osys at the time,
    trying to pretend the `cap` had always existed, not `recently` restored

  234. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 9:10 pm

    “l didn`t know the `latest` on it, the `cap`, which is `about` 12-months old, for the #16-years before that, l was 100% correct, armchair too.”

    Wrong again, dumbass. Look it up.

  235. May 14, 2014 9:10 pm

    ”””’medication-addled dreams, fuckwad.”””’

    ”””learned to be civil occasionally.”””’ #teabags

  236. May 14, 2014 9:15 pm

    `wrong again`

    which point Tinfoil`osy,

    (you like to say `wrong` but never put an explainer or relevant link)

  237. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 9:24 pm

    You like to run off at the mouth when you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

  238. May 14, 2014 9:30 pm

    ””You like to run off at the mouth when you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.””

    ls that running of at the mouth on 1.foxtardnews-ratings, 2.Flying-single-use#trashCans or 3.No-benefit-at-the-bottom-superannuation Tinfoil`osy

  239. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 9:33 pm

    (The fact that you don’t know where you’re wrong proves my point.)

    “Concessional contributions are limited to $25,000 per person per year, from 1 July, 2009. A transitional cap of $50,000 per year applies for the financial years 2009/10 to 2011/12.”

  240. May 14, 2014 9:36 pm

    1996 to 2007, Costello/Howard Regime, Unlimited.? Tinfoil`osy True/False.?

  241. May 14, 2014 9:50 pm

    hey TB, Mr-Rabbit`s budget has produced some funny results,

    first, Clive was highly agro about the budget on my abc1 breakfastnews,

    2nd, Noddy and the other premiers seem to be siding with Clive in their dislike of Mr-Rabbits budget, (as l predicted last night)

    and finally, Windsor and Oakshot are fully vindicated for not siding with the teabags in 2010, their decision was 100%, this budget proves it

  242. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 9:53 pm

    “l didn`t know the `latest` on it, the `cap`, which is `about` 12-months old, for the #16-years before that, l was 100% correct, armchair too.”

    Maybe about 0% correct.

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 14, 2014 10:05 pm

    armchair too

    AO has credibility here, you’re probably hoping some will rub off, but I wouldn’t count on it. AO uses facts, you might try it too sometime.

  244. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 10:19 pm

    Bagz is trying to align himself with some of the left-leaning stalwarts on the panel.

    Without success, apparently.

  245. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 10:30 pm

    “l see Tinfoil`osy is at it again on the `super` front. Under Costello `super` WAS a tax-haven for the rich, (armchair and l already arse-fcuked you on the other thread, despite your hit and run)”

    What was that about hit-and-run?

  246. Tony permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:09 pm

    ‘Calling superannuation “tax concessions for the rich” is class warfare and the politics of envy.’

    I stand by that statement. 😉

  247. May 14, 2014 11:16 pm

    Great Budget..political suicide… the rabbits out of the hat and fuck me its a Rat.. One term Tone..oh well reheated rancid Rabbit and shit stew pretending to be filet mignon was never gonna work

    We are in big trouble.

    Is it just me or does everyone else consider Squeal a “not quite right”

    They are I am of course, insane but the insane people I fully realise that sane adults are close to gaining will restore sane govt from the tanty children.

    Oh that explains it.

  248. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:21 pm

    “Bagz is trying to align himself with some of the left-leaning stalwarts on the panel.”

    LOL

    It can be lonely being the only dumb arse around here Left or Right

  249. Walrus permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:30 pm

    “BTW that $80k is tax free too! ”

    Oops sorry I forgot that bit.

    Anyway I’m not a fan of stopping people accumulating a shitload. I prefer taxing the income from MASSIVE LUMP SUMS in the super funds

    And restricting lump sum withdrawals especially those contributed by employers over the years . That is there to provide an income not a fucking holiday

  250. May 14, 2014 11:39 pm

    ””””’tax concessions for the rich” is class warfare and the politics of””unfairness, at the end of the day, the `salary-sacrifice` section particularly,
    IS ””tax concessions for the rich””as l said before,

    if you(the-richer) can sock away the $30K.p.a into `super` then you should consider yourself `blessed`, as many don`t even earn $30K.p.a

    AND half-time employment=half-time `super` #teabags

  251. Meta permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:45 pm

    (Let’s face it: if Smoky Joe and the Bandits are right (as per their recent 7:30 Reportland appearance), and grateful employees work for the generous corporate sector, whose especially vehicular heavy-lifting is to give individual taxpayers opportunity for jobs and roads, roads, roads of all sorts in the driven economy; then, every clean-sweeper and truckie’s mate is destined to be a CEO receiving a sizeable share package, if only they work hard enough; and that’s just how society is: make-their-own-lucks and lottery-of-life-loser-dumbf*cks.)

  252. Meta permalink
    May 14, 2014 11:52 pm

    (Actually, does anyone know how diesel gets to mining sites, and diesel refiners get to work at refineries, since Joe resolved the purpose of the diesel subsidy v. fuel levy argument; prolly by ship and rail, I guess??)

  253. May 14, 2014 11:52 pm

    Tinfoil`osy, l still reckon that any `blurt` about `super` that ignores both `welfare/pension` and `employment-conditions` is largely bullshit, as they are all entwined, `super` under keating, was meant to give some relief to the `pension/welfare` system, under the John-W teabags, employment for many was trashed, along with their `super` prospects(even if it was an `accidental` by-product), so now canberra is STILL stuck with providing `pensions/welfare`, or following teh-usa model, ramping-up the prison/law-enforcement aspects, which is about 12x the `welfare` cost

  254. May 15, 2014 12:01 am

    disclaimer, l hated keatings guts, made me skin crawl, but l DO acknowledge his planning for the boomer bubble, and `super` planning were largely bang-on in the relief on the `pension/welfare` system, and the flow-on benefits to the general economy, by keeping the `retired` in active service as consumers,

    the stupid fcuking teabags trashed this

  255. Meta permalink
    May 15, 2014 12:40 am

    (Erm, the so-called “teabags” did no such thing; nor did they implicitly trash Keating’s ideas about the importance of ‘automatic stabilisers’ in maintaining a healthy economy over a cycle; cuz, it makes perfect sense to reduce the potential volume and velocity of money in a potential recessionary environment, by undermining the (un)employment safety net, now, while the rate is relatively low, on the basis that the so-called “teabags” will definitely restore the safety net in the midsts of an actual recessionary environment, and thereby safeguard stability for the long-term.)

  256. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2014 6:29 am

    “`super` under keating, was meant to give some relief to the `pension/welfare` system, under the John-W teabags, employment for many was trashed, along with their `super` prospects”

    Which is also uninformed crap. Neil will tell you the unemployment rates under Keating compared to those under Howard. Or – here’s an idea – why not look it up yourself before spilling your stupid guts all over the place.

    #moron

  257. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 7:03 am

    ‘opportunity for jobs and roads, roads, roads of all sorts in the driven economy’

    He wants to give people a taste of infrastructure building at a piddling cost, leaving rail building to foreigners.

    Meta its clear to me that Australia will be a different country within a decade.

  258. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2014 7:09 am

    Yep= unemployment was high under Keating

    Sept-Dec 1991- 10.1, 10.0, 10.2, 10.4
    Jan-Dec 1992- 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 11.2
    Jan-Dec1993- 10.9, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 10.8, 11.0, 10.8, 11.0, 10.7, 10.9, 10.8, 10.6
    Jan-April 1994- 10.4, 10.3, 10.3, 10.1

    Several years of DD unemployment. Nothing like it since the Great Depression.

    Amazingly Keating went to an election with unemployment at 11% and won the election. That is something a Coalition govt could never do.

    And it is not surprising to me that Superannuation is not working like it is supposed to. If people can spend their lump sum payments and then go on the pension they will.

  259. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 7:19 am

    ‘will definitely restore the safety net in the midsts of an actual recessionary environment’

    It looks dodgy I know, but it stands to reason that any government would restore the dole to the under 30s in a deep recession, otherwise robberies would go through the roof as young people try to avoid starvation. Its unlikely that we would see hundreds of them begging in the street for enough to buy a big mac and a bottle of their favourite intoxicant.

    No that won’t happen, so rest easy, restoration is a given because we are not a third world country.

  260. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 7:30 am

    ‘AUSTRALIA’S skills shortage threatens to send more companies and jobs offshore unless the government “significantly” lowers the English-language requirements for temporary foreign workers, a leading industry group says.

    ‘In a submission to the independent review of the 457 visa program obtained by The Australian, Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox warns that language requirements are shrinking the pool of people who can apply for the skilled migration program.’

    Hepworth / Oz

  261. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 7:43 am

    ‘An $80b cut to federal grants for schools, hospitals over next decade sparks near rebellion from the states.’

    SMH

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 8:28 am

    So he won’t risk a Double Dissolution?

    He’s threatening to … but based on track record so far that means he won’t …

  263. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 8:48 am

    If push came to shove he would have no alternative other than to go to the people.

  264. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 15, 2014 9:23 am

    If push comes to shove Abbott will back down on some of the budget measures. There is no way he will go to a DD if there is a risk he would lose, much less now when it is a certainty.

  265. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2014 9:26 am

    Abbott is more likely to surrender every “reform”, rather than go to a double dissolution right now,

    His reputation will be about as good as Gillard’s in a couple of months. His only asset is that Shorten is unelectable.

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2014 9:29 am

    Teabagz: wrong on –
    X Superannuation
    X Unemployment
    X Grammar
    X Nonstop use of Americanisms

  267. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 10:16 am

    ‘Abbott will back down on some of the budget measures.’

    That would be safer, but what can he jettison?

  268. May 15, 2014 10:20 am

    Tom.. Abbott lied his way into office, continues to arduously fibricate to the blind brain dead lemmings that voted for him. He holds the entire nation; especially those sane people who knew he was not to be trusted with utter contempt….. This contemptuous compulsive liar is incapable of anything that remotely resembles truth. The truth means nothing to Abbott as Dr Hewson, Tony Windsor and the litany of political and business people past and present who have had the Phoney experience can attest. :-)…

    Abbott would rather bum a gay, black muslim refugee cleric on a boat on the Bolt report than stick to his word of a dissolution.

    Bring it on…like now, this fucker needs the cold steel blade of his own lying reality plunged through his black heart by a heart of pensioners with disabilities… I will paraphrase him “let the voters deride decide”

    Poor Squeals predictably stuck in the mid 90’s convincing himself that the greatest PM and treasurer is no good as he is in shock by how we have been fist fiscally fucked by these scumbags.

  269. May 15, 2014 10:26 am

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 11:08 am

    I’ve never mentioned my age. TB always asks (see above), or he’ll ask what you do for a living. I never tell him. It must drive him crazy.

    Quite frankly I couldn’t give a fuck … ToSY, … rhetorical questions are just that … and I can assure you I sleep soundly and never dream about you …

    =========================================

    And restricting lump sum withdrawals especially those contributed by employers over the years . That is there to provide an income not a fucking holiday

    All our super was personal (none from employers) and we live off, it as you know … but what we do is “skim” the earnings (ie draw a lump sum) every six months or so … some of that goes into fixed interest in the bank for three or four months and rest goes into our budget the rest …

    So you see we’d be against restrictions on lump sum withdrawals (but we have already devised a work around if it happens anyway)

    I guess unless you are personally involved you don’t see all angles … like anything …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    His reputation will be about as good as Gillard’s in a couple of months. His only asset is that Shorten is unelectable.

    Ain’t that the troof!

    And Clivey had his best interview with Tony Jones on Lateline last night …

    Given a DD, Clivey might win my vote …

    Go Clivey!

  271. May 15, 2014 11:08 am

    At risk of being inappropriatelt declared a ‘moralising moraliser’, I present this…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/14/budget-it-will-be-chaplains-not-secular-social-workers-at-schools

    There is something particularly ideologically obscene about a government making real cuts to the broader health & education systems…but finding extra millions to continue the infiltration of (let’s face it, they won’t be anything other than) Christian chaplains into (what should be) secular schools.
    At the same time ensuring that trained, secular counsellors and social workers are virtually precluded.

    Not logically defensible, I’d have thought.

    “Schools will lose the option of appointing secular social workers under the national school chaplaincy program, for which the Abbott government has found an extra $245m in budget funding.

    While flagging big cuts to future school spending growth, the Coalition’s first budget earmarks the funding over five years to continue the chaplaincy scheme originally put into place by John Howard.

    But the education minister, Christopher Pyne, confirmed he would axe an option put in place by the Labor government for schools to opt for non-religious student welfare worker as an alternative to a chaplain providing “pastoral care”.

    “Counsellors and social workers in schools are really the responsibility of the states and territories,” Pyne told Guardian Australia on Wednesday.”

    Conservative scum.

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 11:13 am

    Lying, cheating, thieving, hypocritical, cynical and cruel ,Conservative scum.

    Wondered where you were? 🙂

  273. May 15, 2014 11:17 am

    It really isn’t that difficult to deduce ToSY’s likely age to within a fairly narrow spectrum.

    I think divulging personal information is a prerogative which needs to be carefully weighed up. We’ve all seen the way that certain blog dwellers can use the circumstances of others in a predatory fashion; only too eager to pounce upon the slimmest morsel. TB, I’m sure you’ve been personally attacked on many occasions by multiple assailants because you’ve allowed much to be known. Personally, I applaud your frankness.

    I think that personal divulgement does help to articulate a person’s opinion better. However, I understand the want/need to not be entirely transparent too.

  274. May 15, 2014 11:20 am

    “Wondered where you were? ”

    I’m always about. Just very busy offline in recent times.

    As far as the budget goes…it smells very ideological in nature to me. Pretty much what we all should expect.
    The school chaplain’s thing just serves to highlight the wilful deception at work as various cuts are rhetorically justified by the government.

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 11:22 am

    I think divulging personal information is a prerogative which needs to be carefully weighed up.

    Absolutely agree …

    I think that personal divulgement does help to articulate a person’s opinion better.

    Exactly my reason for doing it …

    I expect/like people to know “why” I argue certain points from a certain perspective … but that’s me … digs at my age are unwelcome … especially if they imply I don’t know what’s going on in the world around me.

    Taking The Minister to lunch.

  276. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 11:30 am

    ‘…digs at my age are unwelcome … especially if they imply I don’t know what’s going on in the world around me.’

    LOL

  277. May 15, 2014 11:34 am

    “I expect/like people to know “why” I argue certain points from a certain perspective”

    Me too. But I’ve grown very cynical about letting much ‘real world’ information free (something which I was probably much more guilty of in the past). Too often, when someone does expose themselves, I see the information used (by others) either to detract/deflect from what they’re actually trying to say…or worse still, a tool to locate them outside of the internet.

    ” especially if they imply I don’t know what’s going on in the world around me.”

    Anyone who is seriously making that claim is obviously deliberately misrepresenting you.

  278. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 11:42 am

    ‘Even more strikingly, most of the revenue growth, over and above the normal growth in the economy, will come from rising personal income tax; and a huge part of that will be from the silent but all-too real tax increase of bracket creep.

    ‘Over the four years net personal income tax revenues are going to leap by an astonishing $61 billion. All the other taxes, including company tax and the GST — and which right now rake in more than personal tax — will only increase by $38 billion.’

    Terry McCrann

  279. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2014 11:48 am

    I believe the numbers provided in the budget more than those provided when Wayne Swan was Treasurer. This is SWan in 2012-13

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies………..This Budget delivers a surplus this coming year, on time, as promised, and surpluses each year after that, strengthening over time.”

    The 4 next budgets announced by Swan in 2012 were supposed to give us surpluses of $1.5B, $2B, $5B and then $7.5B.

    The question should be asked is how corrupt is Wayne Swan?? How did he force the Commonwealth to publish such obviously wrong information??

  280. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 15, 2014 11:52 am

    The circus continues at ICAC:

  281. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2014 11:54 am

    “It really isn’t that difficult to deduce ToSY’s likely age to within a fairly narrow spectrum.”

    Have a go if you like. I’ll tell you if you’re right. 😉

  282. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 15, 2014 11:57 am

    42

  283. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 15, 2014 11:59 am

    And it is not surprising to me that Superannuation is not working like it is supposed to. If people can spend their lump sum payments and then go on the pension they will.

    I’m glad that this problem has been identified neil, tell me, what is the coalition doing about it?

    I really hope we have a DD, did abbott make that a promise too, anyone know? Looking forward to some excitement as our government hangs by a thread! Pretty sure that abbott hasn’t the guts for it though and mr congenial shorten would have to get some backbone steel and fire in the belly, he’d be a nervous wreck throughout!

    Will these microphone and media warriors be up for a real test of their political courage? that is the question.

    “Wondered where you were? ”

    yes, me too, I was starting to get worried that you might have had enough of some of the tiresome prattle of this place in recent times and needing a break. Happy to see you today ❤

  284. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 12:01 pm

    ‘The mining magnate accused the government of exaggerating the nation’s debt levels to manufacture a crisis and justify moving to “a total capitalist economy” in which money, not people, was all that mattered.’

    Taylor / Guardian

  285. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 15, 2014 12:02 pm

    Have a go if you like. I’ll tell you if you’re right. 😉

    56?

  286. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 12:07 pm

    ‘I really hope we have a DD, did abbott make that a promise too, anyone know?’

    It was mooted over the carbon tax and that chance will come up with the new senate, because its the immediate trigger, whereas stopping the budget might take longer to unravel.

    We’ll soon see if he has any political nous.

  287. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 15, 2014 12:17 pm

    At risk of being inappropriatelt declared a ‘moralising moraliser’, I present this…

    I see no moralising in objecting to secular schools being forced to have representatives of religion in them, chaplains masquerading as counsellors. If there is a variety of students with different faiths there should also be representatives for all those religions in schools, not only christians eg judaism, muslim, buddhism etc.

    i will be very interested in the outcome of the second high court challenge taking place currently from the toowoomba man who won his first case on this issue.

  288. May 15, 2014 12:22 pm

    Wow TB, seems like Clive may just turn out to be the Iceberg as opposed to the Titanic…One Term Tony has a big fat Obstacle standing right in front of his ideology.. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the scariest prospect in Australian political history… Clive Palmer may be the only sane person in parliament…

    Be afraid , be very afraid…they walk amongst us… Cmon Squeals catch up…only 5 more years to go and your in the now 🙂

    So I’m thinkin that Abbott hasn’t got the plumbs to hit the double dissolution button.. may try and wrap this stuff up in a supply bill to ambush Labor on a no block convention….

    They have tried the must happen “budget emergency” lie and it wont cut electorally. Pyne is the negotiator (their fucked right there) but its all gonna happen in the Senate with Abets (their fucked right there too) . Based upon Labor and the greens plus PUP’s ..Fiberals haven’t got a hope in hell with at least 5 of these ideology measures… They are great at being dictatorial but negotiation…all piss no steam.

    What are your thoughts? (Sweals you are excluded, its 052014 )

  289. May 15, 2014 12:36 pm

    (their fucked right there too)

    I think what you actually mean is “they’re fucked right there too” but I take your point.

  290. May 15, 2014 12:39 pm

    “You’re such a cunt’ is NOT @billshortenmp’s correct name https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zyMGOgpeV0

  291. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2014 12:39 pm

    “convincing himself that the greatest PM and treasurer is no good

    The Hawke/Keating govt did not have any good economic numbers anytime, anywhere.

    And it looks like Superannuation is not working. One of the few good things i think Keating did. And i can see a time in the future when the next socialist govt gets in they will trash the budget so bad we will be forced to liquidate a portion of our Super savings. So i stopped salary sacrificing and used the extra money i got to pay down my mortgage.

  292. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 15, 2014 12:42 pm

    Based upon Labor and the greens plus PUP’s ..Fiberals haven’t got a hope in hell with at least 5 of these ideology measures… They are great at being dictatorial but negotiation…all piss no steam.

    Clive’s all over the place telling everyone that there is no budget crisis, quoting OECD figures and saying it’s a mean, heartless & cruel budget, he’s cutting through with those who are fed up and frustrated with their wishes being ignored by the two majors and their political corruption. He’s the hanson phenomenon again and she got the coalition threatened enough to have her put in jail and then take on all her policies.

    Clive has insider knowledge, knows just how the coalition operate and knows where the bodies are buried…and he means to bring them to their knees.

    Hell hath no fury like a billionaire scorned 🙂

  293. May 15, 2014 12:45 pm

    “Have a go if you like. I’ll tell you if you’re right.”

    I will refrain, confident in my personal deductions over the years. Besides which, I believe that may be a loaded assertion…ie. I’ll tell you if you’re correct (unstated is- only if you guess precisely years months & days + hospital you were born in). 😉

    The spectrum I suspect is between my own age (38.5ish) & 45. If I’m incorrect, you certainly have a few non-specific generationally specific interests. 🙂

  294. May 15, 2014 12:47 pm

    I very much doubt that the current government would bet the farm on a DD at the moment.

    I may even vote if they did. They’ve pissed off a few of their core arselickers in these parts.

  295. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 15, 2014 12:50 pm

    I think what you actually mean is “they’re fucked right there too” but I take your point.

    they’re fucked everywhere, especially in their heads.

    thank you reb, we have missed the pedantic punctuation police 😆

  296. May 15, 2014 1:05 pm

    You’re welcome AO..

    BTW the clip I posted at 12:39 is recommended viewing…. 🙂

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 15, 2014 1:12 pm

    yeah, i saw that reb, unreal that he wasn’t picked up on it or that labor did not object strongly and all walk out or something.

    I didn’t hear ‘grub’, it sure sounded like the c-word to me, what do you reckon?

  298. May 15, 2014 1:13 pm

    The OUTRAGE!!!

  299. May 15, 2014 1:14 pm

    I think what you actually mean is “they’re fucked right there too” but I take your point.

    Yep.. thatz fanks thanks Reb, combine dyslexia with a phone that is a paranoid android and i’m fucked right there 🙂 they’re most certainly; as AO points out, both politically and between the ears.. 50 shades of fucked.

    Think his flux capacitor is on the blink, can’t get forward in the space time continuum to 2014 🙄

    The numbers game in the senate will be interesting and I agree AO Clive has a score to settle, beep pockets, deep hatred and plenty of ammo at the moment… Newman and Abbott are just gifting him stupidity. The more they paint him as an idiot, the more support he will garnish as a wedge.

    What’s the bingo call for DD? two squashed plumbs?

  300. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2014 1:15 pm

    “I’ll tell you if you’re correct (unstated is- only if you guess precisely years months & days + hospital you were born in).”

    But, but, I wasn’t born in a hospital. 😉

    Actually, I’m not really worried about internet stalkers and the like. It’s mainly for work reasons that I like to remain anonymous.

  301. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 1:15 pm

    Wat?

  302. May 15, 2014 1:18 pm

    “It’s mainly for work reasons that I like to remain anonymous.”

    Also a legitimate concern. No one wants to be publically exposed as a gravedigger.

  303. May 15, 2014 1:19 pm

    Def the C bomb… he may not understand what it means, not actually having seen one in the flesh 🙂

  304. May 15, 2014 1:19 pm

    You’re likely safe from internet stalkers, given your general alignment. Most of the vindictive loose units seem to lean right 😆 …think Inane et al. 🙂

  305. May 15, 2014 1:20 pm

    “50 shades of fucked”

    LOL… 🙂

  306. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2014 1:22 pm

    Exactly.

  307. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2014 1:23 pm

    “he may not understand what it means, not actually having seen one in the flesh” 😯

  308. May 15, 2014 1:29 pm

    “Actually, I’m not really worried about internet stalkers and the like.”

    Internet stalkers don’t elicit pantwetting in me either…but I do have family which I can’t ‘protect’ 24hrs a day. And a job, obviously; which is subject to a confidentiality agreement.

  309. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 1:30 pm

    ‘The mister will refer to members by their correct names.’

    lol

  310. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 15, 2014 1:32 pm

    “he may not understand what it means, not actually having seen one in the flesh”

    ⭐ 😆

  311. May 15, 2014 1:53 pm

    ‘The mincer will refer to members by their correct names.’

  312. May 15, 2014 3:54 pm

    ”””unemployment rates under Keating compared”””

    l never said ””un/employment rates””’

    Tinfoil`osy, #moron l still reckon that any `blurt` about `super` that ignores both `welfare/pension` and #`employment-conditions`# is largely bullshit, as they are all entwined, `super` under keating, was meant to give some relief to the `pension/welfare` system, under the John-W teabags, employment(#conditions-ie.serf-choice) for many was trashed, along with their `super` prospects(even if it was an `accidental` by-product), so now canberra is STILL stuck with providing `pensions/welfare`, or following teh-usa model, ramping-up the prison/law-enforcement aspects, which is about 12x the `welfare` cost

  313. May 15, 2014 4:05 pm

    ”””is NOT @billshortenmp’s correct name”””

    Mr-Poodle has finally said something l agree with,

    it`s only taken him 15 years 🙂

  314. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 4:11 pm

    My comprehension has never been too good, so I’m really struggling to understand what you are trying to say bagz.

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 4:25 pm

    BTW the clip I posted at 12:39 is recommended viewing….

    As I’ve said before the liars accuse others, like thieves, hypocrites … and we all know who’s really the c**t in that little triad!

  316. May 15, 2014 4:27 pm

    ””””””””””’Clive has insider knowledge, knows just how the coalition operate and knows where the bodies are buried…and he means to bring them to their knees.

    Hell hath no fury like a billionaire scorned”””””””’

    Agree armchair. lt would quite funny if these teabag premiers mr-rabbit is pissing on became pups too. lt was quite good to see noddy, other premier/s `and` clive calling out mr-rabbits crap. The double-diss talk is just that, the zombies would be swept away if mr-rabbit pulled the double-diss trigger. 🙂

  317. May 15, 2014 4:30 pm

    When Sqweals hero: ‘ im a fucking liar but I am actually honest on this ocasion and theres a forst for everything’ JOHN….says the budget.is shit.. then its a rank sloppy steamer.

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 4:33 pm

    |_| |_|

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 4:34 pm

    But, but, I wasn’t born in a hospital.

    A barn?

  320. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2014 4:47 pm

    “A barn?”

    A taxi. 😉

  321. May 15, 2014 4:52 pm

    In the last shower?

  322. May 15, 2014 4:54 pm

    Under a wandering star?

  323. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2014 4:54 pm

    A taxi.

    That’s a strange coincidence, that’s where I was conceived.

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 4:56 pm

    A taxi.

    I suppose that leads to the question of where you were conceived … same place I suppose … 😮

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 4:56 pm

    Great minds, ToM! 😆

  326. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2014 5:10 pm

    “Under a wandering star?”

    In a manger.

  327. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2014 5:12 pm

    I found your comment very intelligent and amusing TB.

  328. May 15, 2014 5:27 pm

    hatched at teh institute

  329. May 15, 2014 5:30 pm
  330. May 15, 2014 5:34 pm

    Ahahahahaha…GOLD!

  331. May 15, 2014 5:36 pm

    They probably all were little cunts too, in Pyne’s defence.

  332. May 15, 2014 5:37 pm

    The fact that they weren’t all throwing steel rulers & one armed scissors at his head certainly doesn’t bode well for their judgement.

  333. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 5:41 pm

    ‘The double-diss talk is just that, the zombies would be swept away if mr-rabbit pulled the double-diss trigger.’

    If a hostile senate rejects the budget then he has nothing to lose by going to a DD, except the election.

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 6:05 pm

    I found your comment very intelligent and amusing TB.

    Likewise, ToM, very quick and extremely clever uptake …

  335. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 6:12 pm

    Does the Payne gaffe indicate a government minister under pressure?

    Typical, Private School Bullies, seems the senior prefect, Tony, has been let loose to become, Lord of the Flies …

    Or Godzilla?

  336. May 15, 2014 6:13 pm

    if you remember back to pre-election dumpty, l have always said mr-rabbit is a dud, and he does have the talent to be a `lame-duck`, with pups breathing down his neck peeling away teabags to his pups, and the attempt to screw the premiers, mr-rabbit very well may end-up being a lame-duck #Go-Clive #Go-Watermelon 🙂

  337. May 15, 2014 6:20 pm

    ****COMING UP TONIGHT****

    Bill Shorten’s Budget Right of Reply…

    Will Bill deliver it or Anthony Albanese??

    We cross LIVE to the Green Room where Bill Shorten’s Spin Doctor is rehearsing how to feign anger and use foul language…

  338. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 6:22 pm

    ‘mr-rabbit very well may end-up being a lame-duck’

    With the endorsement of the Coalition I suspect he will go to war, a lame duck position would be untenable.

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 6:47 pm

    With the endorsement of the Coalition I suspect he will go to war …

    He’s a bit slow then, most of the country is at war with him!

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 6:49 pm

    We cross LIVE to the Green Room where Bill Shorten’s Spin Doctor is rehearsing how to feign anger and use foul language…

    That’s Bill’s, spin doc, alright! o_O

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    May 15, 2014 6:50 pm

    I must say these new WordPress smileys really are crap! 😡

  342. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2014 7:06 pm

    Go the mighty fkn Crows!!!!1111one!!!

    (Fuck Collingwood.)

  343. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 7:22 pm

    ‘He’s a bit slow then, most of the country is at war with him!’

    It doesn’t look good, but he’s confident a DD would kill PUP. This might be a major miscalculation, now that Clive is saying things people want to hear.

  344. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2014 7:54 pm

    Just heard Shorten say in his budget reply speech that Labor handed the Coalition low debt and a triple A credit rating.

    He forgot to mention that in 2007 we not only had no debt but we had money in the bank.

    It just proves to me that the ALP and its supporters have no shame.

    Labor claims credit for things they are not capable of.

  345. May 15, 2014 8:04 pm

    Wow! Bill delivered his most compelling speech yet tonight…

    And those smirking toffee nosed wankers opposite just looked like the privileged little pack of snivelling private school bullies he so masterfully depicted them as.

    Well done Bill!

  346. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2014 8:10 pm

    And once again.

    Bill Shortens speech shows ALP supporters have no shame.

  347. May 15, 2014 8:10 pm

    Shorten: “If you want an election try us. If you think Labor is too weak bring it on.”

  348. May 15, 2014 8:13 pm

    as much as it pains me, and as much as l dislike shortmen,

    l have to admit his reply-speech was correct

  349. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2014 8:14 pm

    Yes lets vote Labor back in.

    Rack up the debt and then we can print money to pay off the debt.

    No problems we can just print money. No need to work. No need to do anything.

    We can just print money to pay off everything.

  350. May 15, 2014 8:16 pm

    yeah, l noticed that too, the teabags looked quite crook during shortmens speech

  351. Tony permalink
    May 15, 2014 8:20 pm

    It remains to be seen wevver Bill can cut froo.

  352. May 15, 2014 8:20 pm

    Are you looking forward to Christmas Neil?

  353. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 8:24 pm

    Bill didn’t mention infrastructure once.

  354. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2014 8:27 pm

    I want more $900 cheques.

    Rudd gave me one why does not Abbott do the same??

  355. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 8:33 pm

    Bill actually mentioned infrastructure once, in passing Bill said he would like to see quality infrastructure.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/federal-budget-2014-bill-shortens-speech/story-fn84fgcm-1226919328436

  356. May 15, 2014 8:39 pm

    What new smilies TB.? Got a Link.?

    l can`t see any smilies, l`m just seeing the keyboard characters eg*roll*,
    (between colons of course)

  357. May 15, 2014 8:46 pm

    if shortmen and clive jam-up the budget in the senate a couple of times, will that force a double-diss under our system

  358. Dianne permalink
    May 15, 2014 9:02 pm

    Shorten did well.

    He placed the former Opposition’s pre-election lies within the context of ideological difference.

    The lies can now be seen for what they always were, distortion or absolute denial of truth which enabled a Machiavellian manipulation of people to fool them into voting for a government which had the hidden intent to dismantle the very foundations of our society.

    The ALP looked focused, united and committed for the first time in ages. Lots of red ties and jackets.

    The other team looked blue about the gills.

    They know what they did.

  359. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 15, 2014 9:05 pm

    Wow Dianne.

    What drugs are you on??

    I bet you think like most ALP supporters we have no problems. And if we do we can just print money to solve all problems.

  360. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 9:13 pm

    Section 57 of the Australian Constitution details the conditions for a double dissolution:

    The House of Representatives passes a bill and sends it to the Senate.

    The Senate rejects or fails to pass the bill, or passes it with amendments to which the House will not agree.

    Three months pass from the time the Senate disagrees with the bill.

    The House of Representatives passes the same bill and sends it to the Senate again.

    The Senate again rejects or fails to pass the bill, or passes the same bill with amendments to which the House will not agree.

    More than one bill may act as a trigger for a double dissolution.

    ———–

    Of course the fast trigger is the carbon tax, primed and ready to go when the new senate steps up.

  361. May 15, 2014 9:15 pm

    somebody still needs to be fired out of the chicken cannon l see

  362. May 15, 2014 9:25 pm

    thanks for the double-diss refresher dumpty,

    yeah, the gas-tax, and just about everything in the budget ta`boot

  363. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 15, 2014 9:56 pm

    I missed Bill’s speech.

    Was it really ok? I struggle to believe that, because he’s such a tool.

  364. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 9:58 pm

    If the Budget bills are rejected then there is a 3 month wait, whereas the tax dismantling bill is up for its second try.

    Even if he calls a DD on that alone, everything in the Budget will then become embroiled in the election debate.

    Abetz is horse trading with the cross benches to stop the trigger being activated.

  365. egg permalink
    May 15, 2014 10:26 pm

    Crows were impressive and its a popular win.

  366. Dianne permalink
    May 16, 2014 5:11 am

    Take your blindfold off Neil.

    This budget is deeply ideological, imposed on people who were assured there would be no cuts, no shocks, no surprises.

    If all the measures are imposed it will place us on a wide toll road to a place un recognizable as Fair Go Australia.

    There are other ways to deal with long term structural problems rather than swinging the wrecking ball.

    Hopefully the ALP will not borrow our leader’s tactics and yell ‘liar’ at him every time he speaks. I would be hoping for a measured and constructive discussion on the type of country we want to be, what sacrifices must be made and how we can become that creative, clever bunch we are always hearing about.

    What impressed me about Shorten’s Budget supply is that he made a start in that direction and for once he sounded as if he really cared.

  367. May 16, 2014 7:27 am

    Poor Squeals.. Hero Johnnie Howard recons the budget is shit… “A tax hike” ….Squeals, as always seems confused, hurt and bitter by the prospect that his faux prophets profits are buckling under the shear weight of ideology, lies and broken promises…
    The veil has lifted to reveal the true cunts grubs
    Joe’s giving us perspective, he’s a champion…”its only a couple of middies, less than a packet of winnie blues… per doctors visit” he gleefully articulates… Pyne o potty says “a degree is less than one hundred Brazilians or two matching diamond labia piercings” I’m glad these teagbaggers, have such a clear picture of how real people fink 🙄

  368. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 7:45 am

    ‘There are other ways to deal with long term structural problems rather than swinging the wrecking ball.’

    Doubt that. Just as Howard and Costello were draconian in cleaning up after Labor, Abbott and Hockey need to be tough to get us back in the black.

    ‘I would be hoping for a measured and constructive discussion on the type of country we want to be….’

    The people have already spoken, that’s why Labor is in Opposition, and if they obstruct the government in that ‘other place’ then it will be a double dizzy.

    If I’m not mistaken a majority of the electorate would again vote for economic rationalism and progress over misplaced charity and squander.

  369. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 7:57 am

    ‘THE indigenous leader who helped trigger the government’s Closing the Gap response says Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders should be exempt from the Medicare co-payment until their health is on a par with other Australians.’

    Laurie / Oz

    The Bolter would call that racist.

  370. May 16, 2014 8:20 am

    “Section 57 of the Australian Constitution details the conditions for a double dissolution”

    Thanks for that Egg.

  371. May 16, 2014 8:26 am

    No wonder you and Squeals agree Egg you are completely full of shit, you will both be very happy in your bog blog 🙂

  372. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 8:49 am

    ‘you will both be very happy in your bog blog’

    Two straight men in an empty room won’t attract much traffic, especially if they are in general agreement.

  373. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 8:57 am

    Rudd gave me one why does not Abbott do the same??

    And I didn’t get a red cent, Kneel … nor did most self funded retirees …

    if shortmen and clive jam-up the budget in the senate a couple of times, will that force a double-diss under our system

    Not necessarily … but it will slow down ’em down … they need to deny the government Supply of funds to prompt a DD …

    The people have already spoken, that’s why Labor is in Opposition

    Not quite true, egg, either you are also lying and being deceitful or you really don’t understand what is actually happening …

    The Labor Party lost because of its leadership struggles … despite that they had put in place programs that the tories had openly agreed to and claimed commitment to during an election … during the same election they had promised NOT to do exactly what they did …

    … in the real world that is actually illegal – breach of contract (ie we pay for an expected service but don’t get it) … like hiring a manager who suddenly cleans out the stock of expensive shoes and replaces them with Payless seconds, rehires incompetent lawyer and economists as sale people and argues with the bank over the business loan … as clients walk away and don’t buy anything – you’d fire them for incompetence …

    At the very least, breach of promise … another legal offence … in the real world …

  374. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 9:16 am

    ‘The Labor Party lost because of its leadership struggles …’

    And a pernicious tax.

  375. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 9:19 am

    You are correct in saying that they have gone back on their word, that’s politics.

  376. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2014 9:38 am

    “You are correct in saying that they have gone back on their word, that’s politics.”

    True. The last PM to do that was haunted by her broken promises which saw her booted out. That’s politics.

  377. Dianne permalink
    May 16, 2014 9:50 am

    For what it is worth ….
    Neo -liberalism is inherently unequal. Rich get richer. Corporations challenge government in wealth, power and influence. Those without wealth, power and influence become cogs.
    Previous governments including Howard, in a big way, ameliorated inequity with one-off payments, tax breaks and subsidies. Now this govt claims that is unsustainable. Solution. Remove all or most of those measures. Punch holes in safety net.
    End of Fair Go Australia.

  378. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 9:54 am

    I’m not confident Abetz and Pyne can persuade PUP to pass the budget without an infrastructure sweetener.

  379. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 10:02 am

    ‘End of Fair Go Australia.’

    Not really, but its probably the end of Third Way political economy.

  380. Dianne permalink
    May 16, 2014 10:37 am

    Egg – ask the Google machine for info on Germany’s Mittelstand.

  381. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2014 10:42 am

    Equality is the opposite of a fair go. Fair is when those who work hard are better off.

    The ideal is to give people opportunity not money. Australia is turning into a nation of mendicants. Dependency on government handouts is per se degrading.

    Governments trying to give people equality usually end up as impoverished tyrannies. The more dependent individuals are on the state the more it controls them.

    The job of government is to provide a system that allows people to support themselves and to provide a safety net for those that can’t. When the majority of people get payments from governments the system has failed and needs revision.

    The hierarchy of government priorities is:

    • to ensure that the country exists through defence and foreign policy;
    • then to ensure through laws and infrastructure that the society is the one where most people can make a go of it and support themselves;
    • then to provide short-term assistance to help put people in a position to make a go of it and
    • finally to provide some support for those who are incapable of supporting themselves.

    Leftists seem to have this arse-up.

  382. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2014 10:56 am

  383. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 11:17 am

    Equality of opportunity means everyone gets a fair go.

  384. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 11:37 am

    I’m not confident Abetz and Pyne can persuade PUP to pass the budget without an infrastructure sweetener.

    Especially when the major parties are colluding to execute all the minor parties … “because democracy is being distorted” … more like the major parties don’t like competition!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Equality of opportunity means everyone gets a fair go.

    And there’s the rub and the barb of reality equality and fair go are just myths a figment of the imagination … its always been scrabbling to survive in a world controlled by avaricious, stupid Dickwits … as long as “they” are OK … the rest of us are just pawns to be controlled at whim …

    Equality? Fair go? What BS …

    Here’s an example of national “equality” and a “fair go” …

    In 1964 compulsory National Service for 20-year-old males was introduced under the National Service Act (1964). The selection of conscripts was made by a sortition or lottery draw based on date of birth, and conscripts were obligated to give two years’ continuous full-time service, followed by a further three years on the active reserve list. The full-time service requirement was reduced to eighteen months in 1971.[20]

    Conscription ended as one of the first acts of the newly elected Whitlam Labor Government and the remaining seven men in Australian prisons for refusing conscription were freed in mid-to-late December 1972.[25][26] About 63,735 National Servicemen served in the military from 1964–1972. Of that number, 19,450 ‘Nashos’ served in Vietnam, all with the Army.

    Two died in Borneo and 210 in Vietnam

    Equality my arse …

    Equality is the opposite of a fair go. Fair is when those who work hard are better off.

    I fkn wish!

  385. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 11:52 am

    ‘Equality? Fair go? What BS …’

    Hierarchy structures exists in all societies, it appears to be natural. Equality of opportunity is the best we can hope for in the short to medium term.

  386. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2014 12:04 pm

    TB, I thought you would have been happy to have worked hard (and smart) so that now you are relatively better off compared to most. I’ve worked hard at least, and I am happy with the outcome even if I need to keep working for another decade to have a secure retirement. Maybe I’m an optimist but the good thing about that is that I will probably be happy come what may.

    A society which allows people to work hard and be rewarded is something we should aspire to.

  387. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 16, 2014 12:07 pm

    …Hopefully the ALP will not borrow our leader’s tactics and yell ‘liar’ at him every time he speaks…

    I think i can hear that word yelled at abbott and co for quite a while before I get sick of it. After all ‘juliar’ got a long run and changed the nation. Why should the chief wrecker be spared his own wrecking ball strategies? I prefer to see labor getting their aggro on sometimes. Taking the high road and always being pleasant and reasonable doesn’t always cut through imo. Sometimes a bit of passion is nice to see if they’re serious about it meaning something to them.

    ..Neo -liberalism is inherently unequal. Rich get richer. Corporations challenge government in wealth, power and influence. Those without wealth, power and influence become cogs…

    And the welfare system is meant to support those ‘losers’ who have been tossed aside by a ravenous capitalism, now they want to remove the safety net and impose a plutocracy on us all. That’s ok as long as people are informed and know what they are voting for – but of course that is deliberately kept hidden. Pollies always misrepresent the voters best interests. I’ve been increasingly angered by the comments from abbott & hockey about “the national interest”, it seems the nation is separate from it’s people and what they want doesn’t matter. They are very careful never to ask the people what they want, they always tell us their ‘interpretation’ of our wishes and strangely, it always coincides with their plans or rhetoric.

    Two straight men in an empty room won’t attract much traffic, especially if they are in general agreement…

    I think it would be a matter of what was being said in that room that would ensure it’s emptiness. Wouldn’t matter if gay, straight, male, female or in between. The content would drive any visitors away!

  388. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 12:16 pm

    ‘The content would drive any visitors away!’

    I meant straight man in comical deliverance, what Trash has cannot be replicated but anything I attempt would have to have a satirical bent. What do you think of NOOZE BEFORE IT ‘APPENS.

  389. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2014 12:25 pm

    Would you have a special thread for discussion of “the greatest moral, economic and social challenge of our time”?

  390. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 12:26 pm

    The Thought Police come down heavily on wayward spelling and comprehension, I should have said comical delivery.

  391. Dianne permalink
    May 16, 2014 12:40 pm

    AO – what I mean is I would not like to see the ALP using Abbott’s brutish tactics instead of elevating discussion about the very future of our society.

    I don’t think that is going to happen, happily.

    I am sure Shorten will call out the lies at every opportunity and that does not worry me in the slightest. He gave every indication that the ALP intends to fight for the things which bring a semblance of equity to this country, Medicare, state education being two pillars.

    We are going to see a battle of ideologies and that is long overdue.

  392. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 16, 2014 12:41 pm

    I meant straight man in comical deliverance,..

    you and neil?

    more like straight men in boring monotony 🙂

    Mark Chapman from Taxpayers Australia: The budget for the true deceivers
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-budget-for-the-true-deceivers,6480

  393. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 12:47 pm

    ‘We are going to see a battle of ideologies and that is long overdue.’

    I tend to agree, both sides are saying bring it on. Not sure Bill has the ticker for a good stoush, Tanya would be better.

  394. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 12:54 pm

    ‘more like straight men in boring monotony’

    I’ve been giggling at Neil’s recent comments, he’s a natural.

    ‘When his comedy partner behaves eccentrically, the straight man’s response ranges from aplomb to outrage, or from patience to frustration. He makes his partner look all the more ridiculous by being completely serious. He will often also be found in sitcoms.’

    wiki

  395. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 16, 2014 1:01 pm

    Equality of opportunity means everyone gets a fair go.

    How is that equal opportunity going to happen when only the wealthy can get a tertiary education or be able to live off their parents for 6 mths if they are unemployed? if only the wealthy can have their health needs serviced and the poor have to pay to do the heavy hoisting of the wealthy parasites.

    The US, whose basket case policies our politicians are determined to emulate is a great example of how equal opportunity does not reduce poverty.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-j-amy/equal-opportunity-wont-reduce-poverty_b_4755771.html

    …Poverty is once again on the political agenda in America. And one of the most persistent myths surrounding this issue is that the best way to reduce poverty is to increase equal opportunity. This is a common idea among both liberals and conservatives. Many people believe, for instance, that if the poor had much better educational opportunities, the poverty rate would go down.

    Unfortunately, this is not true. Improving opportunity and reducing poverty are actually two separate issues…

    …That is because poverty is not caused by unequal opportunity. Unequal opportunity helps explain why certain groups of people tend to end up poor, but it does not explain why we have poverty. The real causes of poverty are two-fold: lack of jobs and too many jobs paying poverty-level wages…

  396. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 16, 2014 1:07 pm

    I tend to agree, both sides are saying bring it on. Not sure Bill has the ticker for a good stoush, Tanya would be better.

    If bill wants to be a PM, he’ll find the ticker or be replaced by albo.
    Abbott will have the ticker but his policies and ideology [which is easily seen through, just look at his industry backers] are like selling poison.

    Bring it on, it’ll only help us to see how much we desperately need new players and a new political system.

  397. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2014 1:45 pm

    The only thing to be gained from Labor getting back into power is more debt and deficit and more inequality.

    But lefties seem to like debt and deficit. Not sure why.

    Debt and deficit eventually leads to cutbacks and austerity as govts try to find ways of getting unsustainable debt under control.

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 2:05 pm

    A society which allows people to work hard and be rewarded is something we should aspire to.

    I agree … but tory governments the world over seem to want to keep the serfs as serfs … the only ones who play at class warfare are the wannabe Winstons of this world …

    … work hard – just how do you define that?

    TB, I thought you would have been happy to have worked hard (and smart) so that now you are relatively better off compared to most.

    Thanks for compliment … and I am … The Minister and I don’t believe in gambling (we have the occasional flutter on Keno) but we do believe we were lucky … lucky enough to make our own opportunities and yes, exploit what attributes we have/had without hurting anyone … and we have encouraged a number of people along the way with their own journeys …

    I can assure you that while I have, over the years, taken advantage of being a part of the ADF family, those two years cost me dearly … in time, retracing steps and lost income and opportunities …

    The Minister and I live our lives via clichés … eg “learn the system and use it to your advantage”, “never make a profit from family or friends”, “always move forward”, “one door closes and another one opens”, “there’s always a way” etc and a firm belief in karma – even tho’ the old saying often rings in my ears – “no good turn goes unpunished” …

    But we also recognise that while there is always someone smarter, more well off, better educated, fitter, more articulate, more sociable or knowledgeable etc …

    … there are also those who don’t have any of those advantages … generally through the lottery of birth (we both came from working class families) …

    Life ain’t fair nor is it equal … nor are people fair nor equal … one of the reasons socialism and communism could never work …

    … there are builders and destroyers … at the moment I see the present government as destroyers not builders … and particularly cruel to the young, weak, old and vulnerable …

    Oddly enough, while I had lunch, I just watched a re-run of an episode of Robin Hood on TV … nothing changes … cast Abbott as John I and Hockey as the Sherrif, pollies as the lords, PS as knights, the rest of us as the serfs or freemen … Robin Hood, the Earl of Huntingdon … mmmm … not Bill but I reckon Clivey might do … and about to be deprived of his seat in the Senate if King John and his vassals have their way too I see …

    Do I believe we have equality? Not a chance …

    Do I strive for equality? Absolutely, every day for those without it …

    Do I see people not taking opportunities or not willing to take a risk, or not willing to say, study or, put the hard yards to learn before chasing the dream … yes … and they can be helped but education always costs … in failed projects because people didn’t know … or in providing the opportunity to learn … and the person and nation gaining from that learning opportunity …

    Education, training and development are what changes the world and makes better and more productive people and nations … depriving those opportunities, to young people in particular, is to starve the country of maybe our Einstein …

    Extremely short-sighted by the government … certainly nothing to do with equality (quite the opposite) nor giving people from all walks of life in our society a fair go …

    Nothing changes …

  399. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2014 2:19 pm

    Neil, the lefty idea is to make the debt so large that it cannot possibly be repaid. Now it is not that large and governments will feel some pressure to repay it.

    When it gets to the level of, say, the US debt then it cease to be a real amount. It is just “a very large number” which will never be repaid. In that case there seems to be no serious attempt to address it and no real pressure from the people to do so.

    At that stage the government is at liberty to keep on spending since it doesn’t really matter what the the “very large number” is. In fact nobody notices until the government can’t even repay the interest. Like in Greece.

    I don’t even think they care that there is massive unemployment as a result. That just gives them more victims to “care” about and the caterwauling leftists will blame the unemployment on the evils of capitalism. They are all “care” and no responsibility

  400. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 2:21 pm

    ‘Life ain’t fair nor is it equal … nor are people fair nor equal … one of the reasons socialism and communism could never work …’

    And we might be witnessing the death of democratic socialism, but I’m still moderately comfortable with the idea that the communist Chinese will one day rule the world.

  401. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 16, 2014 2:33 pm

    TB I may have given the LIbs some credit for trying to create more opportunity by weaning people off welfare but having watched the ICAC investigations unfold it is hard to see the whole organisation as anything other than rotten to the core. They need more principles and less slogans.

    Even worse, I don’t see any real move to restructure the party to remove the racketeers and lobbyists from their positions of control.

  402. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 3:16 pm

    Baird has organised an emergency meeting of premiers on Sunday.

    “The Prime Minister and the federal Treasurer, they have a job to do to get the budget back onto a sustainable path for the future of this nation, and we absolutely support them in that initiative,” Mr Baird said, standing with Mr Abbott at Arncliffe in Sydney’s south.

    “We’ll be coming together and we’ll be putting forward proposals to the Prime Minister and the federal Treasurer on working that out together, and I’ve been very heartened to receive a call from the Prime Minister to say exactly that.

    “He wants to listen to our concerns, he wants to work together, and I’m very confident we’ll be able to do that.”

    Oz

  403. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2014 3:31 pm

    I was out for dinner last night with a group (18) of business types, the level of antipathy towards Abbott and the budget surprised me.

    The tread of consensus was that it was driven by ideology rather than economics, Abbott needs to be careful on this basis. Business types aren’t interested in ideology, they’re only concerned only about business conditions.

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 4:00 pm

    Even worse, I don’t see any real move to restructure the party to remove the racketeers and lobbyists from their positions of control.

    That goes for both major parties … as I’ve said I have no time for any of the major parties these days … and in fact I’d prefer to see the abolition of political parties altogether and just have independent people who would have to demonstrate to the electors that they are qualified and experienced enough to BE a politician …

    … eg a proper competency assessment – ie knowledge and skills to represent the people and be capable of being involved in running the country …

    … a sophisticated Survivor type program would be good!

    And a government selected from all parliamentarians who would present ideas, policies and bills to the rest of parliament … remove the silly concept of Opposition …

    Individual representing the people … not representatives of business in any way shape or form …

    Worth a read/watch …

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/5/15/national-affairs/kgb-interview-chris-bowen

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 4:17 pm

    The tread (sic) of consensus was that it was driven by ideology rather than economics,

    Mmmmm, interesting … and as I too have being saying, ToM …

    David Cameron, did similar silly things when he first came to power … one of my cousins in the UK, who lives on the south coast, predicted blood on the streets three months before the London riots … (no, I’m not saying the same)

    I’m struggling with many aspects of this bludget* but the one I still keep coming back to, is the concept of making people between 18 and 30 wait for welfare for six months then a continuing cycle of six months blocks … very Margaret Thatcher, very USA and very childish amateur psychology like the $7 co-payment … it is very disturbing that any government could even float that idea … look after your mates??? What’s happened to Australia?

    BTW, smart people you had dinner with – who paid? 🙂

  406. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 4:17 pm

    ‘Business types aren’t interested in ideology, they’re only concerned only about business conditions.’

    Exactly, I blame hate media for everything.

  407. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 4:18 pm

    The only thing to be gained from Labor getting back into power is more debt and deficit and more inequality.

    But lefties seem to like debt and deficit. Not sure why.

    Debt and deficit eventually leads to cutbacks and austerity as govts try to find ways of getting unsustainable debt under control.

    Heard all that before …

  408. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 4:19 pm

    But lefties seem to like debt and deficit. Not sure why.

    Debt and deficit eventually leads to cutbacks and austerity as govts try to find ways of getting unsustainable debt under control.

    And that too …

  409. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 4:19 pm

    Debt and deficit eventually leads to cutbacks and austerity as govts try to find ways of getting unsustainable debt under control.

    And that …

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 4:22 pm

    Hey, Jummy! Jes’ in … fea yoo …

    A hungry bloke walks into a seedy cafe in Glasgow.
    He sits in the counter and notices a Jock with his arms folded, staring blankly at a bowl of chili

    After ten minutes of just sitting there staring at it, the hungry bloke bravely asks.

    “If you aren’t going to eat that, mind if I do?”

    The old Jock slowly turns his head toward the young bloke and says.

    “Nah, ye can gae ahead.”

    Eagerly, the young bloke reaches over and slides the bowl over to his place and starts spooning it in with delight.

    He gets nearly down to the bottom and notices a dead mouse in the chili.

    The sight was shocking and he immediately pukes up the chili back into the bowl.

    The old Jock says. “Aye, that’s as far as I got too.”

    May the wind whistle quietly up ya kilt.

  411. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 4:26 pm

    In the case of the USA the prognosis is not good, thankfully we got a wake up call.

  412. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2014 4:39 pm

    What is your point TB???

    Fact is austerity is tried after Socialists have trashed the joint.

  413. May 16, 2014 4:40 pm

    “Aye, that’s as far as I got too.”

    LOL 🙂

  414. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 5:30 pm

    ‘at the moment I see the present government as destroyers not builders …’

    Infrastructure PM?

    ‘…and particularly cruel to the young, weak, old and vulnerable …’

    Featherbedding has come to an end, but the most vulnerable will be protected. Hockey gave us his word.

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 5:54 pm

    What is your point TB???

    You dare to accuse me of not having a point with your broken record of continuous comments … this is not a gulag where you sit on a fkn microphone and try to brainwash the inmates with your ideology … you are no longer in Europe!

    Fact is austerity is tried after Socialists have trashed the joint.

    It is the 21st Century … there are no socialists nor communists in Australia … in FACT it is 2014 and your party the Tories are actually in power – you won … this time … no shots fired … just an election …

    … and THEIR budget has this country up in arms* because it is exactly what the Russians did to the satellite nations of the USSR … hit the poor …

    I know why you hate socialists and communists … I have sympathised with Poland all my life and railed against the way the world treated the Poles particularly before and after WWII …

    But you don’t seem to get … Australian politics … your are safe here … trust me I used to work for the government …

    *(metaphorically speaking – I suspect you may have experienced literal “up in arms”)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Featherbedding has come to an end …

    Please explain?

  416. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 5:55 pm

    there are no socialists nor communists in Australia

    Well not many and not enough to have any influence …

  417. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 6:35 pm

    ‘Please explain?’

    My bad, featherbedding is the wrong word.

  418. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 6:46 pm

    Cradle to grave handouts (the nanny state) has come to an end.

  419. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2014 7:23 pm

    “and particularly cruel to the young, weak, old and vulnerable”

    You know people said similar things about Howards Pacific Solution. Well the moral superiority people won the election in 2007, abolished Howards border laws and look at what happened.

    We are now spending $1B/year more on the detention network than we did under Howard.

    Scott Morrsion has just announced we can now start taking refugees from UNHCR camps, something that was almost stopped under the ALP.

    What seemed cruel and nasty to lefties was a more fair system than what happened under ALP/Greens.

    Selling our humanitarian places for $10,000 under Labor was an abomination.

  420. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 7:47 pm

    Young aspirational voters in India finally get a voice. Its a popular win, but the Muslims are a little nervous.

  421. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2014 7:49 pm

    There is plenty that is disgraceful in the budget, I find the following particularly disgraceful-

    • Making people under 30 wait 6 months for the dole – disgraceful
    • Increasing university fees – disgraceful

    I’ll have to check on the health of the Democrats.

  422. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2014 7:58 pm

    OK Tom you may be right.

    But Wayne Swan ran up budgets deficits of -$27B, -$54B, -$47B, -$43B, -$18B and -$49B. That is a lot of debt in 6 years.

    Do you believe like most lefties that debt does not matter and we can put everything on the Mastercard??

    We are now paying $12B in interest on the debt racked up by the ALP. We actually had money in the bank in 2007. $12B would fund a large govt program.

  423. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2014 8:06 pm

    …and isn’t the HIP royal commission interesting?

    None of the former ALP luminaries are relying on the excuse their barrackers used when the debacle was occurring. No one has said-
    • Pink batts are a fire retardant, so fires can’t happen, or
    • It’s safer now than it was, or
    • Blame the contractors/employers, they’re legally responsible, or
    • Blame the state governments, they’re in charge of OHS laws and regulations, or
    • Is the government responsible for a fatality on a road they built?

    The politicians have said – “I accept ultimate responsibility, but
    • I blame the public servants, and
    • Blame Mark Arbib

  424. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 8:12 pm

    Sunday’s gathering of premiers to discuss the budget, will concentrate on the NSW model, selling old assets to foreign buyers and build new infrastructure. Abbott and Baird now share the same vision.

    “The anticipated infrastructure construction pipeline in NSW over the next five years is about $85 billion, of which a large portion is [public-private partnerships],” Mike Baird said. ”That opportunity, whether it be investment or construction work, has key infrastructure players very excited. The big pipeline both for NSW and across the country ensures that the global infrastructure players … are seeing Australia as an essential part of their business.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-seen-as-worlds-infrastructure-capital-thanks-to-85b-in-projects-says-mike-baird-20140202-31v07.html#ixzz31s6G8Grf

  425. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2014 8:23 pm

    Neil, I think you need to start to differentiate between intelligent left people and those that aren’t.

    The dull ones will just say bland things like –
    • Our debt is manageable
    • We have a AAA credit rating
    • Swan was a great treasurer

    You experience those types elsewhere – Catching Up etc.

    Here, most of the left oriented contributors know debt is a problem if not addressed, and they are willing to suggest strong revenue measures rather than expenditure reductions. I don’t think the likes of AO, Ricky, TB, Dianne or reb just want to put more credit card.

    But, the 2 issues that really irk me – the university fees and unemployment benefits – are more social engineering policies than economic ones (I think)

  426. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2014 8:48 pm

    OK TOM. Once again you may be/are right.

    We now have one of the fastest rates of growth of debt in the Western World. We have gone from zero debt to 10% debt in no time flat.

    Unlike the European countries we have no manufacturing base. Our economy is services and mining/farming.

    Falable human beings now in govt want to fix the hole in the roof before it starts to rain.

  427. TB Queensland permalink
    May 16, 2014 8:56 pm

    “Aye, that’s as far as I got too.”

    LOL 🙂

    Nowt lyke a “sick” joak t’ finish week out, lad! 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Cradle to grave handouts (the nanny state) has come to an end.

    WTF! …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “and particularly cruel to the young, weak, old and vulnerable”

    You know people said similar things about Howards Pacific Solution.

    Mmmm … relevance? Zero … prattle, prattle …

    We are now paying $12B in interest on the debt racked up by the ALP. We actually had money in the bank in 2007. $12B would fund a large govt program.

    You are either an idiot or paranoid – either way you need to see a doctor, quickly …

    ===================================

    Pink batts are a fire retardant, so fires can’t happen,

    Er, fibreglass batts are fire retardant … the deaths were caused by foil batts … or electrical faults …

    Actually the primary cause was greed/poor supervision … the sad part is that poor young men died trying to make a living … in one of the world’s richest country …

    The insulation scheme was set up with the right intentions … it just proved the incompetence of so many people to operate in the real business world … especially Garrett …

    I can imagine Abbott in a similar situation … “I don’t remember” …

    But, the 2 issues that really irk me – the university fees and unemployment benefits – are more social engineering policies than economic ones (I think)

    well said, sir!

    Just sayin’ …

  428. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 16, 2014 9:10 pm

    “You are either an idiot or paranoid – either way you need to see a doctor, quickly

    We are now paying $12B/year on the debt your socialists mates racked up in power from 2008-2013. You obviously have no shame.

    “Mmmm … relevance? Zero … prattle, prattle …

    No, completely relevant. What may seem to be cruel to a socialist is actually a better policy.

    Scott Morrison has just announced we are going to start taking more refugees from UNHCR camps. Something that was almost abolished under Rudd/Gillard.

  429. egg permalink
    May 16, 2014 9:22 pm

    ‘WTF! …’

    Please explain.

    ———-

    ‘…the university fees and unemployment benefits – are more social engineering policies than economic ones (I think)’

    Fair comment, cutting off unemployment benefits to the under 30s in particular. This is a disaster waiting to happen.

  430. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 16, 2014 10:13 pm

    TB – re: pink batts – the point is that the ALP politicians seem to understand “root cause”, the barrackers don’t.

    If a government deliberately puts lots of money into a labour intensive industry with the specific aim of attracting new entrants and getting lots of very inexperienced workers into that industry – they have to hold a level of accountability for the tragic outcomes of their program.

    Barrackers were just in denial about that.

  431. LOVO permalink
    May 16, 2014 11:21 pm

    So, in other words, “Duty of Care” of the employer and/or the relevant OHS (WHS) regime is just barrackers in denial……. some kind of ‘look over there’, …..mm, ….. interesting dat ………and yet??????
    The employers were all reputable companies; not ‘fly by nighters’….. i.e. they shoulda known betta,….. and probably did.
    If you want an even better account of what ‘went down’ one should look at the CSIRO’s report on HIP’s. *smiles*

  432. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2014 12:05 am

    That’s interesting, but you’ll have to try something a little more thorough

    Rudd, Garrett and Arbib have all now accepted a level of responsibility for the HIP debacle. That’s appropriate given that they promoted a scheme that sought to rapidly expand and promote the entry of very inexperienced and lowly skilled people into an industry with low levels of regulation.

    If a government-
    • is in a hurry to lure thousands and thousands of people into a new industry
    • throws money at the program
    • tells contractors to hurry up because the program is for a limited time only
    • does not adequately research the parallel the experience of other countries

    …most people understand that poor safety practices are likely to follow, and that the government has to accept it’s share of the responsibility.

    Rudd and Garrett now seem to understand this, but you don’t.

  433. Dianne permalink
    May 17, 2014 5:01 am

    You know there are other ways of doing things.

    We are so focused on binary opposites in this country. If you think neo-liberalism is crude then you must be a communist. If you express any misgivings about government support for anything or anybody then you must be an extreme right-winger.

    As I mentioned to Egg yesterday, crank up the Google machine and check out the German economic model Mittelstand. I have long been fascinated by it and have intimate knowledge of its benefits.

    Don’t you all yearn for something more creative and human scale than this free-market-slash–and-burn-efficiency-people-go-to-hell-pillage-the-environment-sweatshop-labour-using system we have? Of course it comes with an in-built detonating device as we are now seeing.

    If Bill Shorten can articulate a new way forward I will listen.

  434. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 7:20 am

    Mittelstand survived the economic downturn of the past decade and the Chinese are so impressed that they are buying them up, lock stock and barrel.

    ‘If Bill Shorten can articulate a new way forward I will listen.’

    His budget reply speech was full of hollow words and rhetoric, he was supposed to give us his version of how taxpayers money should be spent. Sorry Dianne, the man’s a loser.

    Tanya is the only person capable of leading Labor out of the wilderness.

  435. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 7:31 am

    ‘AUSTRALIA is addicted to public spending. Since the global ­financial crisis the government’s debt burden has nearly tripled whereas in Britain and Spain, which endured a full-blown economic disaster, it merely doubled.

    ‘Unless the Senate passes the Coalition’s budget it will continue to rise. Real public spending is set to grow 16 per cent from 2012 to 2018, says the IMF, faster than 17 other rich countries, including France, the US, Sweden, and New Zealand. Without action Australia faces never-ending public deficits, even with healthy increases in tax revenue of 6 per cent a year.’

    Creighton / Oz

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2014 9:21 am

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/loophole-makes-it-easy-to-avoid-budget-reform-pain/story-e6frfmci-1226920206798

    No loop holes for the age pensioners or the unemployed under 30 (what, exactly, makes you different at 31 I wonder?)

  437. May 17, 2014 9:22 am

    “His budget reply speech was full of hollow words and rhetoric”

    Unlike the Budget speech which was full of lies and broken promises…

    It’s hard to pick a “winner” isn’t it, but at least Bill’s was honest.

  438. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2014 9:34 am

    TB – re: pink batts – the point is that the ALP politicians seem to understand “root cause”, the barrackers don’t.

    Well I do for reasons explained in the past … but “multiple causation” is more appropriate in many ways than the simplistic “root cause analysis” many people are trained in …

    And as I mentioned a few days ago responsibility and liability are two (legally) different things …

    Legislation in all states and territories and federal jurisdictions are based upon duty of care as, lovo, rightly points out … and the contractor has that prime duty of care … based upon:

    Safe workplace and access to it

    Safe tools and equipment

    Safe system of work

    Proper training and supervision

    In Queensland, for instance a householder could be held responsible for hiring an unregistered odd job man who has an assistant – the assistant is injured but the odd job man has no workers comp – the householder is legally bound by – and in breach of – both the WH&S ACT and WorkCover … unless he/she has a householders WC policy (used to be about $25pa) …

    The only thing Rudd et al will suffer is damage to their personal reputation …

  439. Dianne permalink
    May 17, 2014 9:40 am

    Yes Egg the Chinese recognize quality. Hope Mittelstand survives.
    As for Your hollow words remark. .. Only time will tell if those were empty words.
    Funny even great speeches are full of cliches and sentimentality upon close reading.
    I think Shorten hit the mark because he expressed the nation’s rage, disappointment, confusion etc etc. take your pick.
    It made a change from the maniacal clarity of rote learnt simplicity.
    No place for nuance these days. Difference is seen as dissention.
    Back to Mittelstand. It will survive. It grows from the community and is part of it. It has its roots in the German tradition of craftsmanship.
    I have read the Chinese have been clever enough to recognize this important factor.
    We shall see.
    It is of course autobahnen ahead of our Nauru model of digging holes.

  440. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 11:18 am

    ‘because he expressed the nation’s rage’

    He told people on the left what they wanted to hear.

    ———-

    ‘It’s hard to pick a “winner” isn’t it, but at least Bill’s was honest.’

    I’ll pay that.

  441. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2014 12:01 pm

    And Tony Abrogate and Malcolm Turnbull aren’t saying much about the NBN lately either …

    Maybe this is why … check your address here …

    http://www.nbnco.com.au/when-do-i-get-it/rollout-map.html

    And a special link for, splatterbum …

    https://www.telstra.com.au/broadband/home-broadband/nbn/?tc=G|E|D|TP|TNBN|NBNTerms&mqp=sgI6ZMfem|dc_40999952307_nbn_e&gclid=CPiK9Kvtsb4CFUYHvAodAEsAiQ

    The rates are at the bottom of the page … remember they include both broadband and telephone connections … our bill is generally about $110 for one mobile ($10 plan – yes! $10), landline and 50GB cable …

  442. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2014 12:43 pm

    BUPA chief,

    Mr Crombie says there will need to be a rethink now the government wants to increase a $7 GP fee.

    “We all know the economic theory that if you put a price signal you do drive down unnecessary demand, the problem with economic theory is the people who go less often to the GP tend to be people at the bottom who’ve got more need,” Mr Crombie said.

    “The government have chosen to go ahead knowing the downside and the upside of that and the kind of difficulty GPs and everybody in the area have is to try and figure out how do we ameliorate the impact on those most in need,” he said.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-funds-like-bupa-to-pay-doctors-to-keep-patients-out-of-hospital/story-fneuzlbd-1226920563682

  443. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 1:01 pm

    ‘the Chinese recognize quality. Hope Mittelstand survives.’

    They recognise a good investment and the potential of transplanting the Mittelstand model on a universal scale. That’s why they are not interfering with the running of the organisations.

  444. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2014 3:30 pm

    You know what i hate. As usual the Australian Labor Party has trashed the budget. As the Australian Labor Party always does. Always without fail. Always. Always Always.

    And the the Conservatives are elected to clean up the mess and the immoral scum who have created the mess then take the high moral ground and claim no responsibility for the mess.

    Breaking news- we are now starting to take more refugees from UNHCR camps. These poor people were locked out because the immoral scum like TB, Reb, Toilet voted for Rudd in 2007.

    TB, Reb, Toilet allowed our humanitarian program to be sold to the highest bidder because they voted for Rudd in 2007

  445. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 3:44 pm

    Steady on sunshine ….

  446. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2014 4:02 pm

    What for??

    http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/sm/2014/sm214431.htm

    ‘In 2014-15 Australia will welcome 13 750 people through our humanitarian programme and remains one of the top three refugee resettlement countries in the world……..Of the 13 750 places at least 4000 will be provided under the SHP component for the families of offshore humanitarian entrants. Under Labor this program fell to just 500 places as those who came by boat took the place of people who applied through the legitimate process. Stopping the boats means we can return these places, delivering an additional 16 000 SHP places over the budget and forward estimates, in addition to the 4000 extra places already created this year.”

    500??????? Can you believe it??

    Because TB, Reb and Toilet voted for Rudd in 3007 we can only take 500 people from UNHCR camps.

    Only 500 people from camps because TB voted for Rudd in 2007.

    Fuck off lefties.

  447. May 17, 2014 4:24 pm

    Neil – Since Abbott came to power how many asylum seekers on Manus Island have been “processed” and resettled?

    Hint: it’s less than one.

  448. May 17, 2014 4:25 pm

    “immoral scum”

    Hmm.

  449. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2014 4:32 pm

    Yep I stand by my comments.

    After 6 years of taking people with $10,000 we are now starting to take people from UNHCR camps

    “Under Labor this program fell to just 500 places as those who came by boat took the place of people who applied through the legitimate process.”

    Can you believe it??

    Under Rudd/Gilllard we were only taking 500 people from UNHCR camps because boat people were swamping the system.

  450. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2014 4:32 pm

    because the immoral scum like TB, Reb, Toilet voted for Rudd in 2007.

    I am really starting to get pissed off with your personal insults, Kneel … and I mean pissed off!

  451. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 4:42 pm

    BBC – 15 May 2014
    The trouble with conventional wisdom

    “Get on the bus!” How many times have we heard that one from managers exhorting their team to buy into the project or strategy they are spearheading?

    If you’re not on the bus, you’re not a team player, or even worse, you’re a negative influence. And we know what happens to people branded as “negative” in an organization, don’t we?

    But what if this most common of conventional management wisdom is wrong — even dangerously wrong?…………….

    http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20140514-forget-conventional-wisdom

  452. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2014 4:58 pm

    Still at it I see, egg … nice try …

  453. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2014 5:01 pm

    Good TB

    http://www.architectureanddesign.com.au/news/murdered-manus-island-asylum-seeker-was-an-archite

    “Asylum seeker Reza Berati, who was murdered at a detention centre on Manus Island on 17 February, was an architect……………….An Iranian national, the 23-year-old graduated as an architect. But unable to find work, he set out for Australia hoping to further his architectural studies. He had dreamed to settle in Melbourne.”

    The only thing you voted for in 2007 was to destroy the lives of people in UNHCR camps.

    Fuck off TB.

  454. TB Queensland permalink
    May 17, 2014 5:12 pm

    Fuck off TB.

    LOL! I reckon I must have touched a nerve a couple of days ago … mmm …

    Still your comments have always been good for a chuckle … ’tis amazing what folk give away without even trying …

  455. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2014 5:16 pm

    What a shame. No logical comments.

    Fact is you have destroyed the lives of thousands of people we would have taken from UNHCR camps had you not voted for Rudd in 2007.

    And you do not care but most probably brag about your corrupt and immoral behaviour.

    Fuck off once again.

  456. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 5:24 pm

    Noticed Howes got married and not unsurprising he has a large circle of friends.

  457. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 6:03 pm

    I’m disappointed at this government’s penny pinching on the arts, pathetic.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-17/cate-blanchett-slams-budget-cuts/5459416

  458. May 17, 2014 6:33 pm

    “Because TB, Reb and Toilet voted for Rudd in 3007 we can only take 500 people from UNHCR camps.”

    Honestly…FUCK YOU neil…YOU monochromatically thinking ARSECLOWN

    How many fucking times do I have to point out the futile absurdity of that line of your commentary before it sinks in to your logically indifferent cranium?
    I have no symbol on my keyboard for infinity.

    Seriously though, you can leave me out of those dumbass comments unless you want heavy, personal return fire. Stupid cunt.

  459. May 17, 2014 6:37 pm

    It’s as dense as me claiming that every act of potential youth crime, after the budget passes (presumably), can be slated home to Neil et al, for voting for AbbottCorp & his incredible lack of foresight in depleting the welfare system for unemployed under 30yo’s…

    S T U P I D………C U N T

  460. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 6:57 pm

    ‘….his incredible lack of foresight in depleting the welfare system for unemployed under 30yo’s…’

    Abbott displays ideological intent. Surely he doesn’t expect them to sit outside McDonalds or the post office with their begging bowls.

  461. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2014 6:57 pm

    “Honestly…FUCK YOU neil…YOU monochromatically thinking ARSECLOWN”

    Sorry Toilet.

    John Howard got it wrong and you got it wrong.

    can you believe it?? Under Rudd/Gillard we were only taking 500 people from UNHCR camps.

    The rest were boat people with $10,000.

    Under Howard we took 13,750 people from UNHCR camps.

  462. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 17, 2014 6:59 pm

    I meant John Howard got it RIGHT and you got it wrong.

  463. May 17, 2014 7:15 pm

    Indefensible partisan crap from you, Neil.

    I refuse to be tarred with the misappropriated broad brush you are painting me with, by association.

    What about the myriad of things Howard was wrong about?

    Life isn’t an all or nothing proposition, you imbecile.

  464. May 17, 2014 7:16 pm

    “Abbott displays ideological intent”

    Yes, yes he does. It’s likely to be his undoing.

  465. May 17, 2014 7:17 pm

    “Sorry Toilet”

    I strongly doubt that.

  466. May 17, 2014 7:20 pm

    To qualify…I don’t like welfare bludgers any more than any other person who feels like employment is a requisite societal obligation.

    But attacking that with a blunt, ideological approach is counterproductive, fraught with unintended consequences & doomed to create monsters.

  467. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 7:49 pm

    ‘…fraught with unintended consequences & doomed to create monsters.’

    That was my impression too, a modern form of larrikinism could erupt, gangs of young men roaming the streets vandalising civil society, all the while surviving on the sustenance they receive from soup kitchens.

    He hasn’t thought this through.

  468. Tony permalink
    May 17, 2014 8:10 pm

    “That was my impression too, a modern form of larrikinism could erupt, gangs of young men roaming the streets vandalising civil society, all the while surviving on the sustenance they receive from soup kitchens.”

    Yeah! And they’ll be wearing Doc Martens, groin protectors, and bowler hats.

  469. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 8:18 pm

    Ah yes, they were the good old days, these days its all hoodies.

  470. Tony permalink
    May 17, 2014 8:19 pm

    I might need to change me undies if I don’t stop fretting about the inevitable Rise Of The Terrifying Abbott Dole Gangs! *shudder* 😯

  471. Tony permalink
    May 17, 2014 8:22 pm

    WHEN DOLE-MONSTERS ATTACK!

    *squirt*

  472. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 8:23 pm

    It might happen, you don’t know, history might repeat itself. Here is a little history from Britanica, see if it sounds familiar.

    larrikin, Australian slang term of unknown origin popularized in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It signifies a young hoodlum or hooligan in the impoverished subculture of urban Australia.

    The term was applied to the large numbers of sporadically employed teenagers and young adults who banded together in gangs, or “pushes,” glorified the outlaw bushrangers, engaged in gang fights with each other, assaulted citizens (especially in Sydney and Melbourne), and generally defied and ridiculed the authorities.

    Larrikinism declined after 1900 particularly in the face of intensified police surveillance; the stabilization of Australia’s urban society and the development of organized sporting activities have also been credited with contributing to its demise. The term larrikin is still used in Australia to characterize youthful rowdyism.

  473. Tony permalink
    May 17, 2014 8:27 pm

    The unintended dystopian consequences of the evil Abbott’s so-called “budget”.

    Be afraid, sheeple!

  474. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 8:47 pm

    His attack on the arts is deplorable.

  475. Tony permalink
    May 17, 2014 8:56 pm

    Artists of substance have usually found a way to exchange their work for food.

    Others, who didn’t rely on taxpayers to sponsor them, attracted a wealthy patron instead.

  476. May 17, 2014 8:59 pm

    ”””To qualify…I don’t like welfare bludgers”””

    dunny, l think people using the term/s ””welfare bludgers”” OR ””bludgers”” are a bit out of touch, like those that fret about `p0ofters` and `womens-lib`. The term has been relegated to history by those of us experiencing the current un/employment nastiness, and is used by those NOT in distress, or experienced employment distress.

    Do you really think those that are stuck on the junk-job treadmill, would NOT work full-time, if it was available. Hint_they_would.

    The main/root-cause of crap jobs requiring `wefare-backup` is Govt driven (teabag-specifically) with `dumping` and allowing more and more `value-adding` to be done off-shore, instead of Aust.

    Take a look at TAS, turn the forest into `chips`, and ship it out. Mining, dig it up, and ship it out. Farming, often, is just harvest and ship it out. No value add being done, thus, sweet fcuk-all job-wise.

    While at the same time, skilled, and high-skilled(qantas) jobs are being junked.

  477. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 9:31 pm

    ‘… attracted a wealthy patron instead.’

    The free enterprise model might work, people are starved for entertainment. My thinking is that small groups will form organically into small businesses with the intention of getting into the market.

    Its pretty clear Abbott’s thinking is toward multinational film and television deals to keep the industry afloat, not taxpayers money.

  478. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 9:43 pm

    ‘Farming, often, is just harvest and ship it out. No value add being done’

    In the case of wheat, wool, sugar, beef etc. that’s the way its always been done, but the fruit and vegetable processing market is about to take off. In fact anything grown and processed in Australia gets a big tick from the burgeoning Chinese middle class.

    Overseas and local investment money is developing new infrastructure, which will reduce the need for humans on site.

  479. Tony permalink
    May 17, 2014 9:54 pm

    “Overseas and local investment money is developing new infrastructure, which will reduce the need for humans on site.”

    Humans are “filth”, according to some, so we’re probably better off without them. [Does that “some” include themselves? – Ed.]

  480. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 10:04 pm

    Humans are dispensable, this is the price of progress. All that’s required is half a dozen technicians and a modest number of people in the office.

    Drudgery is being replaced by improved mechanisation … rejoice!

  481. Tony permalink
    May 17, 2014 10:26 pm

    “Humans are dispensable”

    Philosophically, I place the individual (myself) at the centre of the universe. Next are (all) other human beings, according to how important to me.

    (This would go against everything a “leftist” stands for. They believe claim that everyone else (the “state”) is more important than themselves.

  482. May 17, 2014 10:31 pm

    ”””In the case of wheat, wool, sugar, beef etc. that’s the way its always been done,”””

    #while largely true dumpty,
    Govt could have done more to push innovation,
    eg profits on `raw` exports could pay a higher corporate tax-rate/less-loopholes, than final consumer, finished goods

    .

    ””’but the fruit and vegetable processing market is about to take off.””’

    #don`t be so sure dumpty, on the job front anyway, the first port of call(by_employers) for these `seasonal` workers is the local backpackers, that get paid `about_$3-$4` an hour for `picking`, and it`s `off-the-books` in many cases,(no-tax)

    this has driven many rural workers to the cities and big-towns.

    (similar, backpackers/visas for factory/production/packing)

    .

    ”””’In fact anything grown and processed in Australia gets a big tick from the burgeoning Chinese middle class.”””#agree

  483. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2014 10:32 pm

    ”Do you really think those that are stuck on the junk-job treadmill, would NOT work full-time, if it was available. Hint_they_would.”

    Got a ling to prove that?

    The rate between doing nothing on the dole an working 38 hours a week is about $8 an hour.

    On an intelligent political blog, it is reasonable to expect a little more creativity or evidence than just presuming that everyone on the dole would prefer to work.

  484. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 10:40 pm

    ‘don`t be so sure dumpty’

    Well then let’s replace those backpackers with larrikins from the cities, at least they won’t starve and the fresh air will do them good.

  485. May 17, 2014 10:45 pm

    yes-sir-ee, those 10,000 workers slated to lose their qantas-jobs are just rubbing their hands in glee to be `sacked` and receive a mere fraction of their previous `wage` as welfare #teabags

    #Tinfoil.Cubicle.Wisdom

  486. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 17, 2014 10:51 pm

    “yes-sir-ee…

    Great evidence and logic, a rational point well made, as always.

  487. May 17, 2014 11:08 pm

    those of us who didn`t have daddy push us arse-backwards into an over-paid `cubicle`job, have had to fend for ourselves, during which we built up a lifetime of experience,

    to which there may not be a `ling` to provide simple-trolls `evidence`,

    maybe simple-trolls should start providing a `ling` to prove their position, instead of demanding a `ling` from everybody else #teabags

  488. Meta permalink
    May 17, 2014 11:20 pm

    (I still reckon the workplace needs more flexibility, even with the welfare-to-work and work-to-woefare provisions; could we maybe rejig some post-modern awards and do something about the unfair unfair dismissal imposts on business?)

  489. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 11:28 pm

    ‘maybe simple-trolls should start providing …’

    The onus is on you to provide a link and (if I’ve told you once I’ve told you a thousand times) there are no trolls at Trash.

  490. May 17, 2014 11:37 pm

    meta, workplace `flexibility` will require acceptance of both child-slavery `and` sweat-shop conditions for australian corporations so that they can compete on a `level` playing-field with bangladesh

  491. egg permalink
    May 17, 2014 11:37 pm

    ‘…unfair dismissal imposts on business?’

    That will most likely come about in Abbott’s second term, with unemployment sitting at 3%.

  492. May 17, 2014 11:50 pm

    ””””The onus is on you to provide a link””””

    try reading the comment first dumpty,

    (from above)

    during which we built up a ””lifetime of experience,””

    to which there ””may not be a `ling` ””to provide simple-trolls
    _____________

    ”””there are no trolls at Trash”””

    believe what you wish(to your own peril)dumpty

    yomm is providing kneel with serious challenge in the `simple-troll` division,

    while you, dumpty, are being challenged in the `right-wing-troll` division,

    my money`s on yomm, he can take you both 🙂

  493. egg permalink
    May 18, 2014 8:06 am

    ‘Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s threats to call an early election in the wake of the Budget are believed to be “serious”, according to senior government sources — if Mr Palmer turns the Senate into a circus.’

    Maiden / Courier Mail

  494. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 9:16 am

    I might need to change me undies if I don’t stop fretting about the inevitable Rise Of The Terrifying Abbott Dole Gangs! *shudder*

    Yeah, ToSY, couldn’t happen here … could it …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_anti-austerity_protests

    And we are far more sophisticated than Lond, UK … this sort of crap just couldn’t happen here either …

    Between Saturday 6th and Thursday 11 August 2011, thousands of people rioted in several London boroughs and in cities and towns across England.[12] The resulting chaos generated looting, arson, and mass deployment of police. The events were also called “BlackBerry riots” because people used mobile devices and social media to organise.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

    The complacency of comfortable, well off people, throughout history, is one life’s strange little mysteries ….

    The French aristocrats, Napoleon, Boston Tea Party, Hitler, Pearl Harbor,Singapore, Kokoda … just to mention some of the larger examples … of stupidity and complacency …

    Take a look at TAS, turn the forest into `chips`, and ship it out. Mining, dig it up, and ship it out. Farming, often, is just harvest and ship it out. No value add being done, thus, sweet fcuk-all job-wise.

    You forgot the banks, simply harvesting people’s hard earned $$$ … for doing nothing at all really … no farming, no mining just taking …

    ‘Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s threats to call an early election in the wake of the Budget are believed to be “serious”, according to senior government sources — if Mr Palmer turns the Senate into a circus.’

    Oh, how we wished …

    Go Clivey!

  495. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2014 9:50 am

    It would be a big help if the Socialists do not trash the budget every time they get into power. Then if/when the Coalition gets back in they will not have to appear to be so mean and nasty.

    Why can’t you socialist deadbeats leave a surplus budget just for once??

  496. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 10:24 am

    … do something about the unfair unfair dismissal imposts on business?

    Meta … but what does “do something” mean … allow incompetent managers and owners to hire and fire at will …

    … as in at least one case I recall from my youth, when asked why one of the best workers I had was fired on the spot for questioning a stupid decision by the manager … “because I just don’t fkn like ‘im” … “just do your fkn job or your next” …

    I love films like Gladiator …

  497. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 10:29 am

    Now why did I know this bloke would be a Republican? 🙄

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/utah-considers-firing-squad-executions/story-e6frfkui-1226921533416

  498. egg permalink
    May 18, 2014 10:42 am

    I suspect Meta was talking tongue in cheek, in line with the atmosphere at the time.

  499. egg permalink
    May 18, 2014 10:48 am

    ‘Why can’t you socialist deadbeats leave a surplus budget just for once??’

    I cannot speak for my comrades, but there is convincing evidence to suggest the Third Way requires massive funding. Pink revolutions aren’t cheap.

  500. egg permalink
    May 18, 2014 11:50 am

    ‘Then if/when the Coalition gets back in they will not have to appear to be so mean and nasty.’

    That’s true, first and foremost they are economic rationalists and its their job to clean up after the leftoids have trashed the place.

    ‘Economic rationalists tend to favour deregulation, a free market economy, privatisation of state-owned industries, lower direct taxation and higher indirect taxation, and a reduction of the size of the welfare state.

    ‘… the term was also used to describe advocates of market-oriented reform within the Australian Labor Party, whose position was closer to what has become known as the ‘Third Way’.

    Wiki

  501. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 18, 2014 12:20 pm

    It would be interesting to see whether teabagz would, one day, try a rational discussion, instead of continually replying with overused and unoriginal Americanisms.

  502. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 1:36 pm

    It would be interesting to see whether teabagz would, one day, try a rational discussion, instead of continually replying with overused and unoriginal Americanisms.

    Not the only one I’m afraid … there is a definite move to the USA way of thinking from a quite a few on this blog … just as the mighty USofA’s empire begins to wane and crumble …

    Like this quote from above …

    ‘Economic rationalists tend to favour deregulation, a free market economy, privatisation of state-owned industries, lower direct taxation and higher indirect taxation, and a reduction of the size of the welfare state.

  503. public toilet permalink
    May 18, 2014 1:39 pm

    I was referring to those who won’t work, teabagz. Not those who are unable to or have frustratingly limited employment.
    They are definitely out there, in every town & city, playing the system; leeching the tax prided away from all of those who do work.

    There are other words to describe it, but ‘bludging’ isn’t inappropriate.

    I am not in favour of ‘junk jobs’ any more than you are.
    My initial comment was directed towards those who are able minded & bodied & perfectly capable…but actively seek a free ride, not employment of any kind, and everyday is their weekend.

    I thought my comments made it pretty clear that I’m definitely not in favour of treating every person who requires welfare as a ‘bludger’.

  504. public toilet permalink
    May 18, 2014 1:42 pm

    * prised away…

  505. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2014 2:33 pm

    “there is a definite move to the USA way of thinking from a quite a few on this blog”

    USA is not so bad. Better than most.

    But it would really help, TB, if you and YOUR socialist mates in the ALP don’t trash the budget EVERY time they are elected.

    This is Wayne Swan in action. Deficits of

    -$27B, -$54B, -$47B, -$43B, -$18B and -$49B.

    Unlike you and your socialist mates i do not think money grows on trees. I think we should live within our means and not put everything on the Mastercard

  506. egg permalink
    May 18, 2014 2:58 pm

    ‘They are definitely out there, in every town & city, playing the system; leeching the tax prided away from all of those who do work.’

    Abbott may round up all the able bodied men under 30, who are not gainfully employed, to enlist in his Green Army. The money is not too good, but its either that or agricultural work which backpackers now attend to.

    In preference to those options the unemployed youth may settle for a shit job in the city on minimum wage or get reeducated.

    The sticking point will be the indigenous population, not sure what is happening, but you can imagine the uproar if there was a hint that they might be treated differently to the bulk.

  507. Dianne permalink
    May 18, 2014 3:06 pm

    Neil – Howard encouraged us all to be ASPIRATIONAL. Don’t you recall. What does that mean? It means whipping out the credit card. It means borrowing to buy the McMansion and the second car to put in the double garage with the remote control door. It means fulfilling your dream for the FAMILY ENTERTAINMENT ROOM with the huge PLASMA in the corner, always warm, never off, burbling away with all those consumption related ‘reality shows’. Oh God. The boredom!

    Spending more than you have has been the motor of our empty-headed society. Consumer sentiment. It is up! Yay. All is well. Spend spend. Great. Shoppers are on the loose again. Here is another tax break so you can keep unzipping that wallet. Fuel levy? Off it comes. Off to the shops. Baby bonus. First home owner’s grant. Lovely. More dosh. Let’s spend it.

    The day of reckoning has been coming for thirty years. How you reckon is the question now.

  508. May 18, 2014 3:15 pm

    “the unemployed youth may settle for a shit job in the city on minimum wage or get reeducated.”

    Orwell would be proud.

  509. egg permalink
    May 18, 2014 3:29 pm

    “Until they became conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.”
    ― George Orwell, 1984

  510. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 4:49 pm

    Abbott may round up all the able bodied men under 30 …

    Adolf Abbott … would be too …

  511. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 18, 2014 4:55 pm

    “Spending more than you have has been the motor of our empty-headed society

    Absolutely.

    And that is the belief of TB, REb, Toilet and all the other socialist deadbeats who post on this blog.

  512. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 4:56 pm

    Its like living in a 1930’s novella … paranoid wankers thinking that everyone except themselves is a leeching commo … and praising concentration camps to intern foreigners to help the cause … and building autobahns across the nation …

    Working parties in the fields to celebrate the master race … next it will be organised bonking to build the super humans …

    Anyone unfit, old or infirm will slowly (or quickly – if possible!) disappear …

    All must work in the name of the fatherland until we die!

    Arbeit macht frei!

  513. May 18, 2014 5:01 pm


    “socialist deadbeats”

    “immoral scum”

    Are you off the anti-depressants Neil?

    You know, most medical advice is that you shouldn’t stop taking them suddenly. It can fuck with your head.

  514. egg permalink
    May 18, 2014 5:20 pm

    ‘next it will be organised bonking to build the super humans …’

    Mass orgies for the good of the nation.

  515. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 5:57 pm

    It can fuck with your head.

    Too late, sreb … much too late … I feel sorry for the poor, misguided twat …

    Its those Russian drugs …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Mass orgies for the good of the nation.

    WTF do you think football is, egg …?

  516. May 18, 2014 6:01 pm

    ”””I was referring to those who won’t work, teabagz.”””

    Yep, agree and understand that dunny. l was just pointing out that the `career-doley` is pretty much the `fringe` or minority of the problem of `welfare-payments`, and absolutely agree that they do exist. The Govt/teabags/talking-heads putting the focus on them tho, is to distract from the fact that if they hadn`t aided biz to trash full-time jobs in the first place, the `welfare` numbers would be drastically smaller.

  517. May 18, 2014 6:20 pm

    Privatise the debt & socialise the losses…it’s just how they roll.

  518. May 18, 2014 6:22 pm

    All of ToSY’s fauxsquirtatious comments, circa 17/5/14, presumably meant to be a backhand to my retorts towards Ideological Metronome of Sydney, are so puerile as to defy cogent response. 😉

  519. May 18, 2014 6:30 pm

    “Spending more than you have has been the motor of our empty-headed society. ”

    Great comment Dianne.

    “And that is the belief of TB, REb, Toilet and all the other socialist deadbeats who post on this blog.”

    Absolutely baseless load of shit from you again, Neil. I defy you to justify that smear in relation to any of my comments…let alone the other individuals you’ve chosen to slander. I hate plastic money. I certainly do not live off of, or by, it.
    As Dianne pointed out, your hero went a long way towards fermenting the mindset you are falsely accusing me of.
    I’m not socialist in the sense you infer. You read too much sop from sources which encourage monodimensional analysis. More fool you.

    Also, if you keep on referencing me directly in your dumbasdogshit claims, I’ll become progressively less tolerant & polite towards you.

  520. May 18, 2014 6:33 pm

    Errr, privatise the profits even…

  521. egg permalink
    May 18, 2014 6:38 pm

    ‘WTF do you think football is, egg …?’

    ** chuckle **

  522. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 6:38 pm

    The prime minister insists voters should have expected the sweeping budget cuts unveiled last week, despite his often repeated pre-election promise that there would be “no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST”.

    He’s on the same delusional drugs as, Kneel … either that or they’ve been affected by a zombie virus …

    And if very senior members of the Liberal Party didn’t expect “the sweeping budget cuts” … why should anyone else!

    But the state premiers, meeting in Sydney on Sunday, insist they did not expect $80bn to be cut from forecast future federal grants for hospitals and schools and are demanding a share of federal income tax to make up the difference.

    The next polls will be interesting …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I was “discussing” the budget last night with a 30+ who was almost made redundant just a few months ago (he earns in excess of $200K) he couldn’t stop telling me about the cradle to the grave welfare mentality and how he was sick of supporting dole bludgers …

    I remember the same whinging about workers comp in the 80’s (and probably now) when I was a Safety Officer (500 employees 24/7 op – reinforcing steel industry) …

    All those bludging on WC …

    Qld WC conducted an investigation into WC cheats – they reached the conclusion that 8% were “using” the system to some extent …

    So we did our own “research” on our own WC recipients – my boss was an ex-cop from Victoria so among other things we literally followed up those who we suspected with a camera! One guy who lived a kilometre away we photographed building his extension – anyway the upshot of our investigation – surprisingly for both of us was similar to the QWC at about 5-6% …

    We decided that we would prefer to concentrate on helping the 95% who needed assistance rather than the 5% …

    Pity Abbott and Hockey et al don’t understand that “blanket” changes they want to make will affect the majority of people undeserving of their cruel approach …

    The problem this country has, is that no-one pays enough income tax …

  523. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 6:49 pm

    Also, if you keep on referencing me directly in your dumbasdogshit claims, I’ll become progressively less tolerant & polite towards you.

    I thought along those lines last night, Toillette … then thought no, that’s just what a Tory would do to a sick and infirm person …

    I then actually felt a little sorry for him and his ignis fatuus … and simply chose to ignore it … I found him later talking to himself …

  524. egg permalink
    May 18, 2014 6:52 pm

    ‘l was just pointing out that the `career-doley` is pretty much the `fringe` or minority of the problem of `welfare-payments`

    Not wishing to labour the point, there are 200,000 cannabis dependent individuals who can’t hold down a job and lets not forget the alcoholics.

    This is not a fringe element, its a huge subculture.

  525. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 7:00 pm

    This is not a fringe element, its a huge subculture.

    So that’s not a problem for the Abbott government then …

    … they just simply shoved the problem onto all genuine job seekers, age pensioners, young students and sick people …

    … yeah that seems fair and ALL Australians are now bearing the burden …

    … I know who fkn the bludgers are … and who isn’t bearing the burden nor doing their jobs …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-01/off-the-hustings-james-glenday-politicians-pay/4790894

    An amateur budget by childish, amateur politicians …

  526. May 18, 2014 7:03 pm

    ”””Consumer sentiment. It is up! Yay.”””

    Agree Dianne. What they don`t tell you tho, is how this distorts and skews the big-picture outlook, with many needing credit-cards to meet their essential expenses, food, transport, electric, etc. So once you add in the `credit-costs`, the poorer are paying even more for these essential things, which makes even higher profits to the corporate sector. Notice how many `branded` credit-cards there are, offered by the retailers.

  527. May 18, 2014 7:07 pm

    ””””’there are 200,000 cannabis dependent individuals who can’t hold down a job and lets not forget the alcoholics.””””’

    dumpty, these sound like, to use a military saying,

    medically discharged, and,

    unfit for duty #teabags

  528. May 18, 2014 7:13 pm

    l remember, not so long ago dumpty, Mr-Eleventy was claiming 1/3 of aussies were receiving `some-type` of welfare payment.
    (7 to 8 million.?)

    ls that correct.?

    What was the break-down.?
    (sick/handicapped, elderly/retired, job-seeking etc)

  529. May 18, 2014 7:27 pm

    “We decided that we would prefer to concentrate on helping the 95% who needed assistance rather than the 5% …

    Pity Abbott and Hockey et al don’t understand that “blanket” changes they want to make will affect the majority of people undeserving of their cruel approach …”

    Took the words out of my mouth, TB.

    I may have left this open to interpretation, so I’ll attempt to remedy that…I hate how there is a stigma attached to genuine WorkCover cases, largely due to the rorting few. It means that the genuinely injured get treated as suspects, rather than victims or ‘recoverees in transit’. I think the unemployed are seen in much the same skewed fashion…&, to its shame, I think that the AbbottCorp Budget feeds off of that precise sentiment in the wider community.
    I am prescient enough to tell the difference. The Neils of the world are not. Sometimes I think the Neils outnumber the rest of us.

    “I thought along those lines last night, Toillette ”

    I can recognise some of the legitimate anti-Labor points Neil has made over the years. Trouble is, he is so blinded by it all that he appears incapable of detecting the nuance of others’ opinions.
    I honestly can’t see a multitude (if any) ALP supporters here; this ain’t Café Lobotomy. Yet he insists on recurrently (particularly in recent times) inserting my label into his categorical statements linking voting a certain way to human tragedy…as if people only vote a certain way on single issues & then are culpable for every resultant horror.

    This ffucks me off tremendously, to say the least. primarily because it is fundamentally, demonstrably untrue & ignorant at its core.

  530. May 18, 2014 7:33 pm

    ”””I hate how there is a stigma attached to genuine WorkCover cases, largely due to the rorting few. It means that the genuinely injured get treated as suspects, rather than victims or ‘recoverees in transit’. I think the unemployed are seen in much the same skewed fashion”””’

    ”’the AbbottCorp Budget feeds off of that precise sentiment””#and promotes it

    Fully agree dunny, well said

  531. TB Queensland permalink
    May 18, 2014 7:40 pm

    This ffucks me off tremendously, to say the least. primarily because it is fundamentally, demonstrably untrue & ignorant at its core.

    And while we really disagree with this government’s budget, sreb, you and me have particularly and freely criticised both Rudd and Gillard and Rudd again … and Shorten now …

    Some people don’t get it and it is pointless addressing the constant barrage of BS … like you tho’ I object to the personalising … not everyone that visits here has the benefit of history – as proven by some of, eggs recent comments …

    Gonna watch The Boat That Guy Built now … and then G Gently!

    Nice to see that you and I are still pretty much in sync!

  532. May 18, 2014 7:51 pm

    ””I honestly can’t see a multitude (if any) ALP supporters here””

    coz there isn`t. From what is posted, there is teabags,

    and non-teabags that seem to dislike both `teams` on a near equal basis, and don`t hold either `team` up a a model of excellence, but hold up both teams as models of crapulence,

    just enjoy the fact dunny, the paid to comment mob are wasting their cash trolling this place 🙂

  533. egg permalink
    May 18, 2014 8:22 pm

    ‘…he is so blinded by it all that he appears incapable of detecting the nuance of others’ opinions.’

    He’s biased to an extreme degree after spending too much time at the kaf.

  534. May 18, 2014 8:29 pm

    #march.in.may

    ha ha TB 🙂 it does begin,

    (l can`t see the teabag premiers going down the crapper for mr-rabbits benefit either)

  535. May 18, 2014 8:49 pm

    Take your Meds
    Just Fuck off
    Annabelle in fine form… Behold real Journalism.

    http://m.smh.com.au/comment/conservative-columnists-taxed-by-political-climate-change-20140516-zreyq.html.

  536. May 18, 2014 8:50 pm

    hey teabags

    Parlimentary salaries (base salary $195,130)
    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-01/off-the-hustings-james-glenday-politicians-pay/4790894

    #ie Federal Starting Pay

    +Week $3752.50 (195,130 / 52)
    +Month $16,260.83 (195,130 / 12)

    Do you really think any of these fcukers are in touch with reality and understand the financial consequences of the crap they push on the rest of us.

  537. May 18, 2014 9:03 pm

    ”””””””’on budget morning, when the Prime Minister reported for his Jonesian rub-down, he received nothing but approval for pricier fuel.

    http://m.smh.com.au/comment/conservative-columnists-taxed-by-political-climate-change-20140516-zreyq.html
    ””””””””””””””

    ha ha ricky, 🙂 🙂 🙂 what mr-rabbit and mr-eleventy have `actually` done is, show the megaphones up, as the imbeciles dressed-up as journalists they actually are

  538. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2014 6:53 am

    Here is a statement by Gillard advisor, Stephen Koukoulas

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3751658.htm

    The problem with the Australian level of gross debt now and this is the Basel three requirements for looking after banks in the post GFC world is we don’t have enough debt.

    Don’t have enough debt??? Koukoulas is insane and it explains why the budget is always trashed under the ALP. Rudd/Gillard/Swan et al do not believe debt is a problem.

  539. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 7:52 am

    ‘VOTERS have declared the government’s first budget to be the worst in more than 20 years, with support for the Coalition dropping to the lowest level since the dying days of Malcolm Turnbull’s leadership.’

    Hudson / Oz

    I demand a fresh election.

  540. May 19, 2014 9:35 am

    Squeals you economically imbecilic fiberal stooge…

    JUST FUCK OFF
    The Kouks questions to HOKEY ahead of Q&A

    http://thekouk.com/blog/my-ten-questions-for-mr-hockey-ahead-of-q-a.html#.U3lCWeSSwwo

  541. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2014 9:51 am

    I forgot to mention. Stephen Koukoulas is more than insane. Anybody who says we do not have enough debt is off the planet.

    But Koukoulas is the most deceitful writer i have ever read.

    And off course he votes for the ALP as you would expect and was an adviser to Gillard.

  542. May 19, 2014 10:19 am

    “insane” would be an economic illiterate with a brain the size of a garden pea refuting the writing of a senior economist with nothing more than simpleton stupidity
    FUCK OFF SQUEALS
    SQUEAL FIBERAL LIES
    CHRONIC MASTURBATING PARROT
    ECONOMIC SQUEALLY KNOBBERY

    http://thekouk.com/blog/take-away-there-budget-snake-oil-and-what-are-you-left-with.html#.U3lLPuSSwwo

  543. Cameron Clyne permalink
    May 19, 2014 10:21 am

    The head of one of Australia’s biggest banks has slammed the quality of debate about debt in this country, labelling it ”very immature”.

    National Australia Bank chief executive Cameron Clyne said we had a ”unique window” as a AAA-rated country to issue more government debt to fund desperately needed infrastructure.

    Australia has a debt problem: we don’t have enough,” Mr Clyne said on Thursday.

    ”If we continue to have the debate that suggests that all debt is bad, and not a debate on the productive use of debt, we will simply not be able to fund the infrastructure this economy needs to thrive into the future.”

    Mr Clyne’s comments came a day after the Business Council of Australia released a 10-year action plan for a stronger economy, calling on major political parties to focus on long-term rather than short-term policies.

    It listed 10 things it would like the government to do, including developing a national infrastructure plan to ensure the right infrastructure was delivered at the right time.
    ”Dedicated annual funding and a clear policy on the use of debt for infrastructure will ensure that Australia’s stock of infrastructure grows in line with our economic development and population growth,” the report said.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/we-have-a-debt-problem-says-nab-chief-20130801-2r29e.html#ixzz327F06w3p

  544. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 10:25 am

    Clyne makes sense.

    InfrastructureInfrastructureInfrastructure

  545. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 10:48 am

    ‘Bank of America Merrill Lynch chief economist Saul Eslake said he had sympathy with that view.

    ”One of the more sensible ways of seeking to reduce the risk of recession when the mining investment boom starts to wind down in a couple of years’ time would be for the government to do precisely that,” he said.

    ”We could borrow up to 3 to 4 percentage points of GDP without imperilling our AAA rating, as long as it was for rigorously evaluated and well-targeted infrastructure spending.”

    Yep

  546. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2014 11:05 am

    “We could borrow up to 3 to 4 percentage points of GDP without imperilling our AAA rating,

    I bet you since that article was published we are close to borrowing more than the 3 to 4 percentage points that would endanger our AAA rating.

    Furthermore a large chunk of this increase in debt is just to fund govt problems like pensions, military etc.

  547. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 11:53 am

    Military acquisitions are over a long time span and not relevant, while welfare can easily be trimmed to give the correct impression to overseas investors.

    Clyne, Eastlake and Abbott are talking the same language, we grow the country with mass immigration and huge infrastructure spending in the outback.

  548. May 19, 2014 7:16 pm

    “Military acquisitions are over a long time span and not relevant”

    But…what about when it’s our money (every cent of it is) and it’s being used to buy lemons, which other countries are running away from as fast as they can, even when that much becomes patently obvious from the mouths of the lemon merchants themselves?

    Is it somehow less relevant than the squealing about ‘inefficient’ NBN’s…or sundry other ‘inefficient’ programmes undertaken by the former government (who also seem to be balls deep in the JSF….timid as all of our leaders are to spurn Unca Sam’s Military Industrial succubi?

    Makes me think that the objections to domestic ‘inefficiency’ were predominantly ideological in nature…hmmmm, Yom?

    Railing against the inefficient spending of our ‘involuntary contributions’ (as taxpayers) is admirable…only doing so as a partisan shriek is something else entirely.

  549. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 7:50 pm

    I feel your angst and agree the plane is a mess, but its bipartisan and built into the forward estimates. We cannot shirk out of our alliance responsibilities, buying lemons from US snake oil salesmen is our lot until the Chinese take over.

  550. May 19, 2014 10:01 pm

    ”””’our lot until the Chinese take over.”””’

    unfortunately, it often seems like that

  551. May 19, 2014 10:07 pm

    mr-eleventy is on qandaland waffling lots of bullshit about
    `not breaking election promises` while getting grilled and mostly `boo`ed by the in-house viewers #teabags

  552. May 19, 2014 10:14 pm

    l heard on the telly/news earlier,

    bill `where the fcuk is he hiding` shortman has sky-rocketed ahead of mr-rabbit in the Limited-new noise-polls,

    it seems shortman managed to let mr-rabbit plummet to numbers worse than Joolya`s, all under his own steam,

    #already

    #that didn`t take long _ #teabags 🙂 #Go Clive

  553. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 10:53 am

    The head of one of Australia’s biggest banks has slammed the quality of debate about debt in this country, labelling it ”very immature”.

    National Australia Bank chief executive Cameron Clyne said we had a ”unique window” as a AAA-rated country to issue more government debt to fund desperately needed infrastructure.

    ”Australia has a debt problem: we don’t have enough,” Mr Clyne said on Thursday.

    ”If we continue to have the debate that suggests that all debt is bad, and not a debate on the productive use of debt, we will simply not be able to fund the infrastructure this economy needs to thrive into the future.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/we-have-a-debt-problem-says-nab-chief-20130801-2r29e.html

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