AUSTRALIA’S BUDGET NIGHT BINGO SPECIAL EDITION…!!

+heavy lifting
+over used
+share the pain

(will be well used too)

Well that’s one way to celebrate with a cuban, here’s another-

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/06/29/us-cuba-reggaeton-idUSTRE55S6EK20090629

“Prosperity is not a gift!”

I’ve opened a 2006 bin 128, I don’t think it will last the distance.

Kevin Andrews has done something to his hair too!

The budget is about the national interest (apparently)

The age of entitlement is over!!

Hooray!!

Who’s the blond in the black outfit?

…and would she like a drink?

“values all levels of education””

…and charges accordingly!!

½ a bottle left.

l suspect JB is planning to `get some` after Joe`s blathering tonight

“a historical commitment”

SWIG

I saw Warren Truss blink – he’s not dead!!

‘reduce debt…”

That’s a surprise!!

Glug

“shovels will start moving”

Is that a good thing?

“We’re a nation of lifters..”

Is that a compliment?

“Shove it” budget.

hi Dianne, it was opposition and independent seats,
they didn`t want to listen to Joe`s blather, can`t blame`em
(Clive has better things to do)

Is teabagz in charge of the controls? I’m going into spam, and that’s also a disgrace!

Who’s this Chris – “they could have chosen to keep their promises”

…and who would want that?

Nah yomm, l wouldn`t spam`ya even if l could, 🙂

JB`s copying Fergies look tonight, (so is sabra) so that JB can `distract` from Joe`s horrors, it seems to be working on yomm

Heavy lifting with a shovel = hovel

We’re good at research!!

Along with heavy lifting!

Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!!

OI!OI!OI!

I think Joe prefers lard pie Dianne.

good point on the GST by Ferguson, looks like this budget will also have most of the states at the teabags throats, yep, they`ve managed to piss-off `everybody`

Plenty of lard in Stargazy.

Joe has goven the papers their headline tomorrow. Did I mishear or did he just agree there are new taxes in the Budget?

I didn’t mishear. Gosh. No cigars tonight.

Plenty of lard in Stargazy.”

Then that’s the pie Joe is talking about.

Chris Bowen needs to find a safe seat and tell Shorten to f**k off.

Apparently the Opposition is going to do some prioritising.

I’m not happy with the idea that unemployed people under 30 have to wait 6 months before getting the dole. On face value it seems stupid and inhumane.

”””””””””If Labor, Green and PUP have a big enough set of plums, this budget will never pass the senate… #Budget2014””””’

pups plum farm is ready to harvest #Go-Clive

(tho l do share Tinfoil`osy`s unsurprisement that the bastards will do all they can to be the bastards they are)

””””””””””’I’m not happy with the idea that unemployed people under 30 have to wait 6 months before getting the dole. On face value it seems stupid and inhumane.””””””

that`s strange dumpty, you said ””good”” earlier, come to`ya senses briefly l see, have ya`worked out the false economy of it, that is likely to ensue

(Well, that was an interesting budget.

Incidentally, el g, a ‘snowpiercer‘ might be more appropriate for the impending Little Ice Age.)

‘He’s a right proper Cnut !’

I predict it will become a fashionable trend.

‘The Abbott government says the infrastructure package in Tuesday’s budget will “catalyse” up to $40bn in new investments – but its own specific contribution, depending on where you cut it, is in the order of only $5bn.’

Murphy / Guardian

Ah yes, I see it all so clearly now.

What he is Walrus is someone who thrives on conflict. He will be singing in the shower this morning because he was out last night tipping over rubbish bins.

He has delivered well for his masters.

Plenty more to come.

We are being dismantled.

‘And will all the “infrastructure” – roads be sold off as toll roads once WE have built them …’

Doubtful. The $5 billion for the road builds appears to be a sweetener, before the $40 billion flows in from China and the Emirates.

Road building will most likely be done by Australian workers, while the bullet trains to come later will probably be built by coolie labour.

Good News

The Mushroom Spawn Levy has been doubled

“”………..You really do want to boost the incomes of the funeral directors at the expense of the poor, fixed income defenceless people in our society,””

It’s PE Ratio is rather high at the moment but the rate of earnings growth is likely to be excellent

http://www.invocare.com.au

The adult daughter of a friend is a little slow. Her boyfriend has some type of mild compulsive disorder.

Both would be quite capable of working basic job – packing and labelling in a warehouse, looking after council gardens, giving food out in a hospital, weighing fruit and vegetables in a green grocer. But both seem to prefer the disability pension, which I presume they’ll take for another 45 years until they qualify for the old age pension.

Just coughing up 40 years of welfare for people in their mid 20s isn’t compassionate or showing empathy.

There seems to be a little slack in the system that should be tightened up.

“”So what has this budget provided in the way of creating more job opportunities? “”

An $80B infrastructure program concentrating on developing greater productivity by diverting taxpayer funds from consumption spending (Family Tax Benefit A & B etc) to investment

And I don’t feel much sympathy for those PS bludgers at the ABC or SBS let alone the low life tax payer bludging scumbags from Canberra who sit around on their fat arses all day “”self studying”” to becoming 4th rate “Citizen Journos” who every second day need to issue half hearted apologies in between bouts on their mythical deathbed

Great news for those of you who wanted energy consumption/CO2 production curtailed.

Fantastic news for people like TB and Kitty et al………….

http://www.smh.com.au/business/energy-disconnections-on-the-rise-as-gas-prices-surge-20140513-387tn.html

‘So tighten the system up … don’t destroy other people’s lives in a blanket fix just becaue of a minority …’

There are 200,000 cannabis dependent individuals in Australia who can’t hold down a job. What to do?

“………..Hockey declined to answer when petrol would hit $2 per litre courtesy of the GST and indexation.)””

Not to mention the Carbon Tax of course.

KL you should be rejoicing in these rises in power and fuel costs as they curtail CO2

Hockey has adopted a Green agenda for different reasons ( raising revenue).

The End justifies the Means afterall

Sorry for my absence. But someone had to grow a set amongst all the gnashing of teeth and collective wailing over what happened last night.

So I dusted myself off this morning after Joe’s attempted pillage of my finances and out into the cruel world I strolled……………….LOL

After all that I’m sure TB and KL have decided never to vote LNP ever…………ever…………again ……….LOL

Anyway keeping it simple the non concessional limits are $150K per annum or you can put in $450K in one hit via the 3 year roll forward provisions. But then you cant put anything in during the following 2 years………..get my drift

I just happen to have a client who has recently received an inheritance of > $1.1M and his wife is 1 year younger than he. They have access to their Super at 62 years and 63 years respectively so I’ve advised them to put in $150K before this 30 June coming up ( so there goes a total of $300K ) then on 1 July or anytime in the 2015 year they can put in $450K each (there goes $900K) by using the roll forward provisions.

Hey Presto…………………………………..$1.2M just disappeared into Super.

But don’t forget if there is a large age gap between partners you’ll end up with one being able to access but another perhaps having to wait years before they can access.
In their case they only need to wait a 2 years for her to access.

‘Living up to Tony Abbott’s aspiration of being known as the ‘infrastructure prime minister’, infrastructure is the cornerstone of this budget. The $11.6 billion Infrastructure Growth
Package together with existing announced projects provides a total of $50 billion federal funding infrastructure commitment over the next 6 years.

‘This funding, combined with state and private sector, is expected to generate a total of $125 billion investment in infrastructure across the nation. This substantial infrastructure investment will help support Australia’s productivity in the long term and will be important in the short term in generating economic activity as the economy transitions from resource investment led growth.’

Paul Foxlee, National Head of Transport & Infrastructure (KPMG)

No need to panic Neil, the adults have their hands on the leavers.

Phillip O’Neill, Professorial Research Fellow, Urban Research Centre at University of Western Sydney (Conversation)

‘It is heartening that federal politicians continue to acknowledge the need for raised infrastructure expenditure. It is disappointing, though, that the Coalition government has not shown any intention to explore new options for funding and delivering the infrastructure services needed in an advanced 21st century economy.

‘Australian financial institutions are seen worldwide as successful innovators in infrastructure financing. So too, Australian infrastructure constructors and operators are world leaders.

‘Yet our governments, state and federal, seem incapable of harnessing this expertise to develop a new suite of world-leading, sustainable, productive infrastructure. Australian firms are leading infrastructure designers and providers offshore. Unfortunately we currently lack the political will and imagination to mobilise these at home.’

‘….is “leavers”* another weasel word for elderly people?’

chuckle *

That’s my second spelling mistake today, earlier I said Abbott’s strategy was cleaver. In other news…

———

She is the little old lady who gave Prime Minister Tony Abbott a massive serve on live TV.

‘But since 85-year-old Vilma Ward’s segment on Network Ten’s Wake Up went viral on Wednesday it has emerged she has strong ties to the Labor party and was selected by the show’s producers.

‘Ms Ward, a former ALP member, told MailOnline she was called by Ten last week and she had ‘no idea’ why she was selected.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627862/Wake-Up-Fake-Up-The-real-story-Vilma-pensioner-blasted-Tony-Abbott-budget-live-TV.html#ixzz31gMc7MuQ
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” (armchair and l already arse-fcuked you on the other thread, despite your hit and run)”

As I recall it, you didn’t even understand there was a cap of $25k (or $35k for the more mature)

Generally misrepresentation is your greatest skill, best you leave actual debate to people with a grasp of “facts”

””’As I recall it, you didn’t even understand there was a cap of $25k (or $35k””’

l didn`t know the `latest` on it, the `cap`, which is `about` 12-months old, for the #16-years before that, l was 100% correct, armchair too.

.

”””misrepresentation is your”””

misrepresentation was all Tinfoil`osys at the time,
trying to pretend the `cap` had always existed, not `recently` restored

”””’medication-addled dreams, fuckwad.”””’

”””learned to be civil occasionally.”””’ #teabags

“Bagz is trying to align himself with some of the left-leaning stalwarts on the panel.”

LOL

It can be lonely being the only dumb arse around here Left or Right

””””’tax concessions for the rich” is class warfare and the politics of””unfairness, at the end of the day, the `salary-sacrifice` section particularly,
IS ””tax concessions for the rich””as l said before,

if you(the-richer) can sock away the $30K.p.a into `super` then you should consider yourself `blessed`, as many don`t even earn $30K.p.a

AND half-time employment=half-time `super` #teabags

(Actually, does anyone know how diesel gets to mining sites, and diesel refiners get to work at refineries, since Joe resolved the purpose of the diesel subsidy v. fuel levy argument; prolly by ship and rail, I guess??)

disclaimer, l hated keatings guts, made me skin crawl, but l DO acknowledge his planning for the boomer bubble, and `super` planning were largely bang-on in the relief on the `pension/welfare` system, and the flow-on benefits to the general economy, by keeping the `retired` in active service as consumers,

the stupid fcuking teabags trashed this

Yep= unemployment was high under Keating

Sept-Dec 1991- 10.1, 10.0, 10.2, 10.4
Jan-Dec 1992- 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 11.2
Jan-Dec1993- 10.9, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 10.8, 11.0, 10.8, 11.0, 10.7, 10.9, 10.8, 10.6
Jan-April 1994- 10.4, 10.3, 10.3, 10.1

Several years of DD unemployment. Nothing like it since the Great Depression.

Amazingly Keating went to an election with unemployment at 11% and won the election. That is something a Coalition govt could never do.

And it is not surprising to me that Superannuation is not working like it is supposed to. If people can spend their lump sum payments and then go on the pension they will.

‘AUSTRALIA’S skills shortage threatens to send more companies and jobs offshore unless the government “significantly” lowers the English-language requirements for temporary foreign workers, a leading industry group says.

‘In a submission to the independent review of the 457 visa program obtained by The Australian, Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox warns that language requirements are shrinking the pool of people who can apply for the skilled migration program.’

Hepworth / Oz

Teabagz: wrong on –
X Superannuation
X Unemployment
X Grammar
X Nonstop use of Americanisms

‘…digs at my age are unwelcome … especially if they imply I don’t know what’s going on in the world around me.’

LOL

‘Even more strikingly, most of the revenue growth, over and above the normal growth in the economy, will come from rising personal income tax; and a huge part of that will be from the silent but all-too real tax increase of bracket creep.

‘Over the four years net personal income tax revenues are going to leap by an astonishing $61 billion. All the other taxes, including company tax and the GST — and which right now rake in more than personal tax — will only increase by $38 billion.’

Terry McCrann

‘The mining magnate accused the government of exaggerating the nation’s debt levels to manufacture a crisis and justify moving to “a total capitalist economy” in which money, not people, was all that mattered.’

Taylor / Guardian

‘I really hope we have a DD, did abbott make that a promise too, anyone know?’

It was mooted over the carbon tax and that chance will come up with the new senate, because its the immediate trigger, whereas stopping the budget might take longer to unravel.

We’ll soon see if he has any political nous.

“convincing himself that the greatest PM and treasurer is no good ”

The Hawke/Keating govt did not have any good economic numbers anytime, anywhere.

And it looks like Superannuation is not working. One of the few good things i think Keating did. And i can see a time in the future when the next socialist govt gets in they will trash the budget so bad we will be forced to liquidate a portion of our Super savings. So i stopped salary sacrificing and used the extra money i got to pay down my mortgage.

Wat?

‘The mister will refer to members by their correct names.’

lol

”””unemployment rates under Keating compared”””

l never said ””un/employment rates””’

Tinfoil`osy, #moron l still reckon that any `blurt` about `super` that ignores both `welfare/pension` and #`employment-conditions`# is largely bullshit, as they are all entwined, `super` under keating, was meant to give some relief to the `pension/welfare` system, under the John-W teabags, employment(#conditions-ie.serf-choice) for many was trashed, along with their `super` prospects(even if it was an `accidental` by-product), so now canberra is STILL stuck with providing `pensions/welfare`, or following teh-usa model, ramping-up the prison/law-enforcement aspects, which is about 12x the `welfare` cost

My comprehension has never been too good, so I’m really struggling to understand what you are trying to say bagz.

””””””””””’Clive has insider knowledge, knows just how the coalition operate and knows where the bodies are buried…and he means to bring them to their knees.

Hell hath no fury like a billionaire scorned”””””””’

Agree armchair. lt would quite funny if these teabag premiers mr-rabbit is pissing on became pups too. lt was quite good to see noddy, other premier/s `and` clive calling out mr-rabbits crap. The double-diss talk is just that, the zombies would be swept away if mr-rabbit pulled the double-diss trigger. 🙂

hatched at teh institute

if you remember back to pre-election dumpty, l have always said mr-rabbit is a dud, and he does have the talent to be a `lame-duck`, with pups breathing down his neck peeling away teabags to his pups, and the attempt to screw the premiers, mr-rabbit very well may end-up being a lame-duck #Go-Clive #Go-Watermelon 🙂

‘mr-rabbit very well may end-up being a lame-duck’

With the endorsement of the Coalition I suspect he will go to war, a lame duck position would be untenable.

Go the mighty fkn Crows!!!!1111one!!!

(Fuck Collingwood.)

Just heard Shorten say in his budget reply speech that Labor handed the Coalition low debt and a triple A credit rating.

He forgot to mention that in 2007 we not only had no debt but we had money in the bank.

It just proves to me that the ALP and its supporters have no shame.

Labor claims credit for things they are not capable of.

And once again.

Bill Shortens speech shows ALP supporters have no shame.

as much as it pains me, and as much as l dislike shortmen,

l have to admit his reply-speech was correct

yeah, l noticed that too, the teabags looked quite crook during shortmens speech

I want more $900 cheques.

Rudd gave me one why does not Abbott do the same??

What new smilies TB.? Got a Link.?

l can`t see any smilies, l`m just seeing the keyboard characters eg*roll*,
(between colons of course)

Shorten did well.

He placed the former Opposition’s pre-election lies within the context of ideological difference.

The lies can now be seen for what they always were, distortion or absolute denial of truth which enabled a Machiavellian manipulation of people to fool them into voting for a government which had the hidden intent to dismantle the very foundations of our society.

The ALP looked focused, united and committed for the first time in ages. Lots of red ties and jackets.

The other team looked blue about the gills.

They know what they did.

Section 57 of the Australian Constitution details the conditions for a double dissolution:

The House of Representatives passes a bill and sends it to the Senate.

The Senate rejects or fails to pass the bill, or passes it with amendments to which the House will not agree.

Three months pass from the time the Senate disagrees with the bill.

The House of Representatives passes the same bill and sends it to the Senate again.

The Senate again rejects or fails to pass the bill, or passes the same bill with amendments to which the House will not agree.

More than one bill may act as a trigger for a double dissolution.

———–

Of course the fast trigger is the carbon tax, primed and ready to go when the new senate steps up.

thanks for the double-diss refresher dumpty,

yeah, the gas-tax, and just about everything in the budget ta`boot

If the Budget bills are rejected then there is a 3 month wait, whereas the tax dismantling bill is up for its second try.

Even if he calls a DD on that alone, everything in the Budget will then become embroiled in the election debate.

Abetz is horse trading with the cross benches to stop the trigger being activated.

Take your blindfold off Neil.

This budget is deeply ideological, imposed on people who were assured there would be no cuts, no shocks, no surprises.

If all the measures are imposed it will place us on a wide toll road to a place un recognizable as Fair Go Australia.

There are other ways to deal with long term structural problems rather than swinging the wrecking ball.

Hopefully the ALP will not borrow our leader’s tactics and yell ‘liar’ at him every time he speaks. I would be hoping for a measured and constructive discussion on the type of country we want to be, what sacrifices must be made and how we can become that creative, clever bunch we are always hearing about.

What impressed me about Shorten’s Budget supply is that he made a start in that direction and for once he sounded as if he really cared.

‘There are other ways to deal with long term structural problems rather than swinging the wrecking ball.’

Doubt that. Just as Howard and Costello were draconian in cleaning up after Labor, Abbott and Hockey need to be tough to get us back in the black.

‘I would be hoping for a measured and constructive discussion on the type of country we want to be….’

The people have already spoken, that’s why Labor is in Opposition, and if they obstruct the government in that ‘other place’ then it will be a double dizzy.

If I’m not mistaken a majority of the electorate would again vote for economic rationalism and progress over misplaced charity and squander.

‘you will both be very happy in your bog blog’

Two straight men in an empty room won’t attract much traffic, especially if they are in general agreement.

‘The Labor Party lost because of its leadership struggles …’

And a pernicious tax.

I’m not confident Abetz and Pyne can persuade PUP to pass the budget without an infrastructure sweetener.

Egg – ask the Google machine for info on Germany’s Mittelstand.

Equality of opportunity means everyone gets a fair go.

‘Equality? Fair go? What BS …’

Hierarchy structures exists in all societies, it appears to be natural. Equality of opportunity is the best we can hope for in the short to medium term.

AO – what I mean is I would not like to see the ALP using Abbott’s brutish tactics instead of elevating discussion about the very future of our society.

I don’t think that is going to happen, happily.

I am sure Shorten will call out the lies at every opportunity and that does not worry me in the slightest. He gave every indication that the ALP intends to fight for the things which bring a semblance of equity to this country, Medicare, state education being two pillars.

We are going to see a battle of ideologies and that is long overdue.

‘We are going to see a battle of ideologies and that is long overdue.’

I tend to agree, both sides are saying bring it on. Not sure Bill has the ticker for a good stoush, Tanya would be better.

The only thing to be gained from Labor getting back into power is more debt and deficit and more inequality.

But lefties seem to like debt and deficit. Not sure why.

Debt and deficit eventually leads to cutbacks and austerity as govts try to find ways of getting unsustainable debt under control.

I was out for dinner last night with a group (18) of business types, the level of antipathy towards Abbott and the budget surprised me.

The tread of consensus was that it was driven by ideology rather than economics, Abbott needs to be careful on this basis. Business types aren’t interested in ideology, they’re only concerned only about business conditions.

In the case of the USA the prognosis is not good, thankfully we got a wake up call.

‘Please explain?’

My bad, featherbedding is the wrong word.

“and particularly cruel to the young, weak, old and vulnerable”

You know people said similar things about Howards Pacific Solution. Well the moral superiority people won the election in 2007, abolished Howards border laws and look at what happened.

We are now spending $1B/year more on the detention network than we did under Howard.

Scott Morrsion has just announced we can now start taking refugees from UNHCR camps, something that was almost stopped under the ALP.

What seemed cruel and nasty to lefties was a more fair system than what happened under ALP/Greens.

Selling our humanitarian places for $10,000 under Labor was an abomination.

There is plenty that is disgraceful in the budget, I find the following particularly disgraceful-

• Making people under 30 wait 6 months for the dole – disgraceful
• Increasing university fees – disgraceful

I’ll have to check on the health of the Democrats.

…and isn’t the HIP royal commission interesting?

None of the former ALP luminaries are relying on the excuse their barrackers used when the debacle was occurring. No one has said-
• Pink batts are a fire retardant, so fires can’t happen, or
• It’s safer now than it was, or
• Blame the contractors/employers, they’re legally responsible, or
• Blame the state governments, they’re in charge of OHS laws and regulations, or
• Is the government responsible for a fatality on a road they built?

The politicians have said – “I accept ultimate responsibility, but
• I blame the public servants, and
• Blame Mark Arbib

Neil, I think you need to start to differentiate between intelligent left people and those that aren’t.

The dull ones will just say bland things like –
• Our debt is manageable
• We have a AAA credit rating
• Swan was a great treasurer

You experience those types elsewhere – Catching Up etc.

Here, most of the left oriented contributors know debt is a problem if not addressed, and they are willing to suggest strong revenue measures rather than expenditure reductions. I don’t think the likes of AO, Ricky, TB, Dianne or reb just want to put more credit card.

But, the 2 issues that really irk me – the university fees and unemployment benefits – are more social engineering policies than economic ones (I think)

‘WTF! …’

Please explain.

———-

‘…the university fees and unemployment benefits – are more social engineering policies than economic ones (I think)’

Fair comment, cutting off unemployment benefits to the under 30s in particular. This is a disaster waiting to happen.

So, in other words, “Duty of Care” of the employer and/or the relevant OHS (WHS) regime is just barrackers in denial……. some kind of ‘look over there’, …..mm, ….. interesting dat ………and yet??????
The employers were all reputable companies; not ‘fly by nighters’….. i.e. they shoulda known betta,….. and probably did.
If you want an even better account of what ‘went down’ one should look at the CSIRO’s report on HIP’s. *smiles*

You know there are other ways of doing things.

We are so focused on binary opposites in this country. If you think neo-liberalism is crude then you must be a communist. If you express any misgivings about government support for anything or anybody then you must be an extreme right-winger.

As I mentioned to Egg yesterday, crank up the Google machine and check out the German economic model Mittelstand. I have long been fascinated by it and have intimate knowledge of its benefits.

Don’t you all yearn for something more creative and human scale than this free-market-slash–and-burn-efficiency-people-go-to-hell-pillage-the-environment-sweatshop-labour-using system we have? Of course it comes with an in-built detonating device as we are now seeing.

If Bill Shorten can articulate a new way forward I will listen.

‘AUSTRALIA is addicted to public spending. Since the global ­financial crisis the government’s debt burden has nearly tripled whereas in Britain and Spain, which endured a full-blown economic disaster, it merely doubled.

‘Unless the Senate passes the Coalition’s budget it will continue to rise. Real public spending is set to grow 16 per cent from 2012 to 2018, says the IMF, faster than 17 other rich countries, including France, the US, Sweden, and New Zealand. Without action Australia faces never-ending public deficits, even with healthy increases in tax revenue of 6 per cent a year.’

Creighton / Oz

Yes Egg the Chinese recognize quality. Hope Mittelstand survives.
As for Your hollow words remark. .. Only time will tell if those were empty words.
Funny even great speeches are full of cliches and sentimentality upon close reading.
I think Shorten hit the mark because he expressed the nation’s rage, disappointment, confusion etc etc. take your pick.
It made a change from the maniacal clarity of rote learnt simplicity.
No place for nuance these days. Difference is seen as dissention.
Back to Mittelstand. It will survive. It grows from the community and is part of it. It has its roots in the German tradition of craftsmanship.
I have read the Chinese have been clever enough to recognize this important factor.
We shall see.
It is of course autobahnen ahead of our Nauru model of digging holes.

‘the Chinese recognize quality. Hope Mittelstand survives.’

They recognise a good investment and the potential of transplanting the Mittelstand model on a universal scale. That’s why they are not interfering with the running of the organisations.

You know what i hate. As usual the Australian Labor Party has trashed the budget. As the Australian Labor Party always does. Always without fail. Always. Always Always.

And the the Conservatives are elected to clean up the mess and the immoral scum who have created the mess then take the high moral ground and claim no responsibility for the mess.

Breaking news- we are now starting to take more refugees from UNHCR camps. These poor people were locked out because the immoral scum like TB, Reb, Toilet voted for Rudd in 2007.

TB, Reb, Toilet allowed our humanitarian program to be sold to the highest bidder because they voted for Rudd in 2007

What for??

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/sm/2014/sm214431.htm

‘In 2014-15 Australia will welcome 13 750 people through our humanitarian programme and remains one of the top three refugee resettlement countries in the world……..Of the 13 750 places at least 4000 will be provided under the SHP component for the families of offshore humanitarian entrants. Under Labor this program fell to just 500 places as those who came by boat took the place of people who applied through the legitimate process. Stopping the boats means we can return these places, delivering an additional 16 000 SHP places over the budget and forward estimates, in addition to the 4000 extra places already created this year.”

500??????? Can you believe it??

Because TB, Reb and Toilet voted for Rudd in 3007 we can only take 500 people from UNHCR camps.

Only 500 people from camps because TB voted for Rudd in 2007.

Fuck off lefties.

Noticed Howes got married and not unsurprising he has a large circle of friends.

‘….his incredible lack of foresight in depleting the welfare system for unemployed under 30yo’s…’

Abbott displays ideological intent. Surely he doesn’t expect them to sit outside McDonalds or the post office with their begging bowls.

I meant John Howard got it RIGHT and you got it wrong.

“That was my impression too, a modern form of larrikinism could erupt, gangs of young men roaming the streets vandalising civil society, all the while surviving on the sustenance they receive from soup kitchens.”

Yeah! And they’ll be wearing Doc Martens, groin protectors, and bowler hats.

It might happen, you don’t know, history might repeat itself. Here is a little history from Britanica, see if it sounds familiar.

larrikin, Australian slang term of unknown origin popularized in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It signifies a young hoodlum or hooligan in the impoverished subculture of urban Australia.

The term was applied to the large numbers of sporadically employed teenagers and young adults who banded together in gangs, or “pushes,” glorified the outlaw bushrangers, engaged in gang fights with each other, assaulted citizens (especially in Sydney and Melbourne), and generally defied and ridiculed the authorities.

Larrikinism declined after 1900 particularly in the face of intensified police surveillance; the stabilization of Australia’s urban society and the development of organized sporting activities have also been credited with contributing to its demise. The term larrikin is still used in Australia to characterize youthful rowdyism.

His attack on the arts is deplorable.

”””To qualify…I don’t like welfare bludgers”””

dunny, l think people using the term/s ””welfare bludgers”” OR ””bludgers”” are a bit out of touch, like those that fret about `p0ofters` and `womens-lib`. The term has been relegated to history by those of us experiencing the current un/employment nastiness, and is used by those NOT in distress, or experienced employment distress.

Do you really think those that are stuck on the junk-job treadmill, would NOT work full-time, if it was available. Hint_they_would.

The main/root-cause of crap jobs requiring `wefare-backup` is Govt driven (teabag-specifically) with `dumping` and allowing more and more `value-adding` to be done off-shore, instead of Aust.

Take a look at TAS, turn the forest into `chips`, and ship it out. Mining, dig it up, and ship it out. Farming, often, is just harvest and ship it out. No value add being done, thus, sweet fcuk-all job-wise.

While at the same time, skilled, and high-skilled(qantas) jobs are being junked.

‘Farming, often, is just harvest and ship it out. No value add being done’

In the case of wheat, wool, sugar, beef etc. that’s the way its always been done, but the fruit and vegetable processing market is about to take off. In fact anything grown and processed in Australia gets a big tick from the burgeoning Chinese middle class.

Overseas and local investment money is developing new infrastructure, which will reduce the need for humans on site.

Humans are dispensable, this is the price of progress. All that’s required is half a dozen technicians and a modest number of people in the office.

Drudgery is being replaced by improved mechanisation … rejoice!

”””In the case of wheat, wool, sugar, beef etc. that’s the way its always been done,”””

#while largely true dumpty,
Govt could have done more to push innovation,
eg profits on `raw` exports could pay a higher corporate tax-rate/less-loopholes, than final consumer, finished goods

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””’but the fruit and vegetable processing market is about to take off.””’

#don`t be so sure dumpty, on the job front anyway, the first port of call(by_employers) for these `seasonal` workers is the local backpackers, that get paid `about_$3-$4` an hour for `picking`, and it`s `off-the-books` in many cases,(no-tax)

this has driven many rural workers to the cities and big-towns.

(similar, backpackers/visas for factory/production/packing)

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”””’In fact anything grown and processed in Australia gets a big tick from the burgeoning Chinese middle class.”””#agree

‘don`t be so sure dumpty’

Well then let’s replace those backpackers with larrikins from the cities, at least they won’t starve and the fresh air will do them good.

“yes-sir-ee…

Great evidence and logic, a rational point well made, as always.

(I still reckon the workplace needs more flexibility, even with the welfare-to-work and work-to-woefare provisions; could we maybe rejig some post-modern awards and do something about the unfair unfair dismissal imposts on business?)

meta, workplace `flexibility` will require acceptance of both child-slavery `and` sweat-shop conditions for australian corporations so that they can compete on a `level` playing-field with bangladesh

””””The onus is on you to provide a link””””

try reading the comment first dumpty,

(from above)

during which we built up a ””lifetime of experience,””

to which there ””may not be a `ling` ””to provide simple-trolls
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”””there are no trolls at Trash”””

believe what you wish(to your own peril)dumpty

yomm is providing kneel with serious challenge in the `simple-troll` division,

while you, dumpty, are being challenged in the `right-wing-troll` division,

my money`s on yomm, he can take you both 🙂

I suspect Meta was talking tongue in cheek, in line with the atmosphere at the time.

‘Then if/when the Coalition gets back in they will not have to appear to be so mean and nasty.’

That’s true, first and foremost they are economic rationalists and its their job to clean up after the leftoids have trashed the place.

‘Economic rationalists tend to favour deregulation, a free market economy, privatisation of state-owned industries, lower direct taxation and higher indirect taxation, and a reduction of the size of the welfare state.

‘… the term was also used to describe advocates of market-oriented reform within the Australian Labor Party, whose position was closer to what has become known as the ‘Third Way’.

Wiki

* prised away…

‘They are definitely out there, in every town & city, playing the system; leeching the tax prided away from all of those who do work.’

Abbott may round up all the able bodied men under 30, who are not gainfully employed, to enlist in his Green Army. The money is not too good, but its either that or agricultural work which backpackers now attend to.

In preference to those options the unemployed youth may settle for a shit job in the city on minimum wage or get reeducated.

The sticking point will be the indigenous population, not sure what is happening, but you can imagine the uproar if there was a hint that they might be treated differently to the bulk.

‘next it will be organised bonking to build the super humans …’

Mass orgies for the good of the nation.

”””I was referring to those who won’t work, teabagz.”””

Yep, agree and understand that dunny. l was just pointing out that the `career-doley` is pretty much the `fringe` or minority of the problem of `welfare-payments`, and absolutely agree that they do exist. The Govt/teabags/talking-heads putting the focus on them tho, is to distract from the fact that if they hadn`t aided biz to trash full-time jobs in the first place, the `welfare` numbers would be drastically smaller.

‘l was just pointing out that the `career-doley` is pretty much the `fringe` or minority of the problem of `welfare-payments`

Not wishing to labour the point, there are 200,000 cannabis dependent individuals who can’t hold down a job and lets not forget the alcoholics.

This is not a fringe element, its a huge subculture.

”””Consumer sentiment. It is up! Yay.”””

Agree Dianne. What they don`t tell you tho, is how this distorts and skews the big-picture outlook, with many needing credit-cards to meet their essential expenses, food, transport, electric, etc. So once you add in the `credit-costs`, the poorer are paying even more for these essential things, which makes even higher profits to the corporate sector. Notice how many `branded` credit-cards there are, offered by the retailers.

l remember, not so long ago dumpty, Mr-Eleventy was claiming 1/3 of aussies were receiving `some-type` of welfare payment.
(7 to 8 million.?)

ls that correct.?

What was the break-down.?
(sick/handicapped, elderly/retired, job-seeking etc)

”””I hate how there is a stigma attached to genuine WorkCover cases, largely due to the rorting few. It means that the genuinely injured get treated as suspects, rather than victims or ‘recoverees in transit’. I think the unemployed are seen in much the same skewed fashion”””’

”’the AbbottCorp Budget feeds off of that precise sentiment””#and promotes it

Fully agree dunny, well said

””I honestly can’t see a multitude (if any) ALP supporters here””

coz there isn`t. From what is posted, there is teabags,

and non-teabags that seem to dislike both `teams` on a near equal basis, and don`t hold either `team` up a a model of excellence, but hold up both teams as models of crapulence,

just enjoy the fact dunny, the paid to comment mob are wasting their cash trolling this place 🙂

‘…he is so blinded by it all that he appears incapable of detecting the nuance of others’ opinions.’

He’s biased to an extreme degree after spending too much time at the kaf.

”””””””’on budget morning, when the Prime Minister reported for his Jonesian rub-down, he received nothing but approval for pricier fuel.

http://m.smh.com.au/comment/conservative-columnists-taxed-by-political-climate-change-20140516-zreyq.html
””””””””””””””

ha ha ricky, 🙂 🙂 🙂 what mr-rabbit and mr-eleventy have `actually` done is, show the megaphones up, as the imbeciles dressed-up as journalists they actually are

‘VOTERS have declared the government’s first budget to be the worst in more than 20 years, with support for the Coalition dropping to the lowest level since the dying days of Malcolm Turnbull’s leadership.’

Hudson / Oz

I demand a fresh election.

I forgot to mention. Stephen Koukoulas is more than insane. Anybody who says we do not have enough debt is off the planet.

But Koukoulas is the most deceitful writer i have ever read.

And off course he votes for the ALP as you would expect and was an adviser to Gillard.

The head of one of Australia’s biggest banks has slammed the quality of debate about debt in this country, labelling it ”very immature”.

National Australia Bank chief executive Cameron Clyne said we had a ”unique window” as a AAA-rated country to issue more government debt to fund desperately needed infrastructure.

”Australia has a debt problem: we don’t have enough,” Mr Clyne said on Thursday.

”If we continue to have the debate that suggests that all debt is bad, and not a debate on the productive use of debt, we will simply not be able to fund the infrastructure this economy needs to thrive into the future.”

Mr Clyne’s comments came a day after the Business Council of Australia released a 10-year action plan for a stronger economy, calling on major political parties to focus on long-term rather than short-term policies.

It listed 10 things it would like the government to do, including developing a national infrastructure plan to ensure the right infrastructure was delivered at the right time.
”Dedicated annual funding and a clear policy on the use of debt for infrastructure will ensure that Australia’s stock of infrastructure grows in line with our economic development and population growth,” the report said.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/we-have-a-debt-problem-says-nab-chief-20130801-2r29e.html#ixzz327F06w3p

‘Bank of America Merrill Lynch chief economist Saul Eslake said he had sympathy with that view.

”One of the more sensible ways of seeking to reduce the risk of recession when the mining investment boom starts to wind down in a couple of years’ time would be for the government to do precisely that,” he said.

”We could borrow up to 3 to 4 percentage points of GDP without imperilling our AAA rating, as long as it was for rigorously evaluated and well-targeted infrastructure spending.”

Yep

Military acquisitions are over a long time span and not relevant, while welfare can easily be trimmed to give the correct impression to overseas investors.

Clyne, Eastlake and Abbott are talking the same language, we grow the country with mass immigration and huge infrastructure spending in the outback.

I feel your angst and agree the plane is a mess, but its bipartisan and built into the forward estimates. We cannot shirk out of our alliance responsibilities, buying lemons from US snake oil salesmen is our lot until the Chinese take over.

mr-eleventy is on qandaland waffling lots of bullshit about
`not breaking election promises` while getting grilled and mostly `boo`ed by the in-house viewers #teabags