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Voters turn on Abbott after Horror Budget!

May 19, 2014

Puuting the N Back

Support for the Abbott Government has nose-dived following a litany of broken promises and savage cuts to health, welfare and education unveiled in Joe Hockey’s first budget as Treasurer.

A Nielsen poll in the Fairfax newspapers has the Coalition down four points and Labor up four points on a two-party preferred basis, with Labor in front 56 to 44 per cent.

On the Prime Minister’s performance, just 34 per cent approve of Tony Abbott’s efforts, while approval of Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s performance is up to 47 per cent.

Mr Abbott’s disapproval rating climbed to 62 per cent.

Sixty-three per cent of people said the budget was not fair, and 53 per cent thought it was bad for Australia.

The Newspoll published in The Australian has Labor in front 55 to 45 per cent on a two-party preferred basis.

Forty-four per cent of voters told Newspoll they thought Mr Shorten would make a better prime minister than Tony Abbott, who was on 34 per cent.

Almost two-thirds of voters believe the budget was not fair; the highest proportion (by far) to say that about any of the budgets tested since 1996.

The previous record high was 43 per cent who rated Wayne Swan’s final budget in 2013 as not fair.

Other budget numbers are just as bad: 65 per cent are dissatisfied, and for the first time a majority, 53 per cent, think the budget will be bad for the country. A record 74 per cent believe the budget will make them worse off.

Unusually, the budget appears to have had an immediate political impact. For the first time since 2010, Labor is ahead of the Coalition on primary votes and Tony Abbott’s approval numbers are among the worst ever for a prime minister.

Mr Abbott’s net approval is at minus 28 per cent. This means that a lot more people disapprove of the job he is doing than approve.

 

 

 

 

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389 Comments leave one →
  1. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2014 9:31 am

    No surprise here. The government will now be mired in a futile war to legislate their misconceived policies. Each twist and turn will be excruciating for them as they beg, cajole and further debase themselves trying to deals with the Senate. Each day they will look more ridiculous and each day will focus attention on the broken promises and the incoherent policy choices. The polls are only going to get worse.

  2. May 19, 2014 9:34 am

    “The polls are only going to get worse.”

    I sincerely hope so…

    #onetermtony

  3. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 9:38 am

    He should go back to the people and this time tell them the fkn troof before the election. Of course they will lose and then we can all get on with spending our grandchildren’s money.

  4. May 19, 2014 9:47 am

    “Its not my job to win a popularity contest”
    About as popular as a fart in a crowded lift. Satisfaction rating -30. Beige Bill Shortman is beating him.. Bwahhaaa 🙂
    This unworthy bullshitting fucktard fundamentalist fop is self destructing.

    #onetermtoney

    Bottom line…. Ideology wrapped around faux economics, trying to scare people.
    A single income family on a bit above the median income we will be about $2,600 worse off under this budget. Someone on $200,000 p.a. will be a whopping $400 worse off.

    Who’s doing the heavy lifting class warfare?
    For an imaginary budget emergencypolitical lie.

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2014 9:52 am

    ‘Putting the n back in ‘cuts’

    That’s funny.

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2014 9:56 am

    Abbott is hated by is friends as much as by his enemies. Few if any believe that the budget will actually do anything positive for the economy.

    The Libs gambled that they would be able to convince the electorate that the measures were harsh but necessary. Virtually no one believes this. If everybody is feeling the pain for no good reason then the only way from here is down.

  7. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 10:29 am

    I expect he has a Plan B.

  8. Dianne permalink
    May 19, 2014 10:46 am

    Very wise SB.

  9. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2014 11:00 am

    Yes, the risk for Abbott is that he’s burnt political capital in announcing all this and now won’t get much of it through the senate.

    People will remember that he tried to break his commitments, they won’t be thanking him for being unsuccessful in the attempt.

  10. May 19, 2014 11:13 am

    Virtually no one believes this. If everybody is feeling the pain for no good reason then the only way from here is down.

    Abbottsolutely Splatter…. Nobody believes it because its all based in evangelistic faith, denial and delivered by a socially disconnected sociopath with no empathy…

    What did people think? Abbott would grow into the job like a new improved messiah of aspirant trickledown affluence effluent

    I expect he has a Plan B.

    Well Plan A was to trick gullible fucktards in denial into voting for him and win at any cost Plan B was to try it all on at once saying to wake of victims you will love me for it and build altars to my greatness… Tony would have made a great serial killer or cult leader…..no cards left #onetermtony

  11. May 19, 2014 11:24 am

    The NSW Government says it will have to close 300 hospital beds due to federal budget cuts http://ab.co/1hWkD6D

  12. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 11:43 am

    ‘Plan B was to try it all on at once saying to wake of victims you will love me for it and build altars to my greatness…’

    That’s about right, infrastructure.

  13. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2014 11:45 am

    To add to the Lib’s credibility woes, ICAC today sees Darren Webber, another Lib MP who had a convienently broken hard drive, got $50k from a sham company for downloading press releases, described his work not as political advice but as IT Consulting services in invoices (prepared well after the event), didn’t do tax returns for three years (until contacted by ICAC) and can’t point to any documentary evidence that he actually did any work.

    Before his political career Webber was an apprentice for eight years but failed to complete a trade. He had a large credit card debt and seems to have been paid in cash. Fortunately ICAC was able to match withdrawals from the account of another suspect character with Webber’s deposits.

    Where do the Libs get such quality candidates?

    The bigger question question, beyond the illegal donations and the payments to people like Webber, is the benefits that the ultimate payers received and the kickbacks to the Liberal party officials who are/were also lobbyists.

  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2014 11:46 am

    I am starting to think it is a waste of time to try and repair the budget.

    The story is all too familiar. Labor gets in and trashes the budget. The Libs get in and start to try and live within our means. They get abused for being mean and nasty. So far the Libs have been successful cleaning up ALP mess. eg Kennet in Victoria and Howard/Costello.

    But what is the point this time?? Labor will get back in eventually and trash the budget again.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 11:51 am

    LOL! @ sreb! That headline is exceptional! … best you’ve come up with so far!

    That should make you famous in the blog world at least!

    LOL!

  16. May 19, 2014 11:58 am

    Why thank you TB… 🙂

    BTW I told my dad the joke about the scottish guy and the mouse…

    He loved it!

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 12:00 pm

    Where do the Libs get such quality candidates?

    But once again, sb, its not just the Libs … although there seems to be a lot more shonky book manipulation than the ALP union bosses who just simply steal the money … fk the paper trail …

    The real question is why do people vote for these wankers!

    On another level I still can’t understand why people would vote a 20 year old into Federal Parliament …

    Eight years and still didn’t complete an apprenticeship!?!?!

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2014 12:15 pm

    What a surprise, the hacks and warlords combine to stave off more participation by actual people in the ALP!!

    BILL Shorten’s Labor modernisation agenda was dealt a humiliating blow in his home state yesterday when once-sworn factional enemies united to water down his key reforms.
    The right-wing shop assistants union and the Victorian Socialist Left faction combined to impose a cap on new entries to the party just minutes after the federal Labor leader detailed the need for tens of thousands more members. In an acrimonious and at times chaotic state conference debate, Mr Shorten’s power base was ¬defeated in its bid to dramatically expand membership through a modernised, uncapped central scheme.
    The strategy would have ¬allowed an unlimited number of members to gain voting rights by going directly through the party headquarters.
    The new central members would also have to pay by so-called traceable means, such as credit card and not cash, to ensure that branch-stacking would be minimised.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/factional-enemies-thwart-bill-shorten-reform/story-fn59niix-1226922103443#

  19. May 19, 2014 12:18 pm

    Tony Abbott has conceded the government is cutting a hospitals funding agreement with immediate effect, contrary to his weekend claim that the cuts did not take effect for years…..

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/19/hospital-cuts-begin-july-tony-abbott-admits?CMP=soc_567

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 12:19 pm

    BTW I told my dad the joke about the scottish guy and the mouse…

    Thanks for the feedback … nice to hear … 🙂

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2014 12:20 pm

    I was also telling that joke all weekend – hilarious!

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 12:21 pm

    Tony Abbott has conceded the government is cutting a hospitals funding agreement with immediate effect

    Insincere or incompetent … or both!

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 12:26 pm

    I was also telling that joke all weekend – hilarious!

    Thanks, ToM, I had stopped dropping them here but I’ll start again (occasionally!) … it does get “heavy” here sometimes … 🙂

    …most come from the old farts at the model railway club or from my son’s (and mine) ADF mates …

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2014 12:33 pm

    Why didn’t abbott realise he was more exposed than any other after the brutal methods he employed on gillard? Perhaps they think we’ll get over it by the next election.

    Wonder if the party discipline will start to disintegrate now?

    Why lying politicians should resign … but don’t:
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2014/05/18/abbott-resign-broken-promises/

    There’s a lot of citizen revolt and civil unrest about too 🙂

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2014 12:39 pm

    Tony Abbott has conceded the government is cutting a hospitals funding agreement with immediate effect, contrary to his weekend claim…

    A pathological liar, he just can’t tell the truth? Where are all those blokes who were so in love with abbott and his ‘refreshing honesty’ just a few months ago?

  26. May 19, 2014 12:53 pm

    Newsflash for Neil:

    “53 per cent said it would not be good for Australia – the first time in the history of the poll that the budget is regarded as actually bad for the country.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-pays-price-for-broken-promises-20140518-38hzw.html#ixzz327tiM7oc

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 19, 2014 12:54 pm

    chris davis [junior health minister sacked by newman] has turned honesty and integrity into a vote winner. Shows just how voters are fed up with machine politics.

    The party vs the people, also playing out in federal politics. So far the people have been the losers, will the voters ever be included in our political system other than being allowed to vote [in a rigged game]?

  28. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 19, 2014 2:03 pm

    Funny how money just keeps showing up in some people’s bank accounts:

  29. May 19, 2014 2:37 pm

    Newsflash for Neil:

    lol 🙂

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 3:56 pm

    Adolph Abbott does have a soft side of course …

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/tony-abbotts-south-africa-australia-intercountry-adoption-program-change-will-help-five-children/story-fnet085v-1226920441668

    PR much? … under normal circumstances I’d apologise for being cynical …

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 4:04 pm

    But Mr Abbott rebuffed a demand from premiers and chief ministers for an emergency meeting with him before the end of July, saying he speaks regularly to state and territory leaders.

    Bullies, cheats and liars are primarily cowards …

    Do these people actually talk to anyone?

    Heads up their arses … still they will eventually suffocate on their own stink …

  32. Meta permalink
    May 19, 2014 4:10 pm

    (Not even I know what I mean much of the time, TB; still, I did find that one of the more active netizens over at the Other Place had referenced this, Abbott’s war on Australia ( http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=16315&page=0 ), which might add or detract from a fair-ish? ( http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rawls/ ) review of the plethora of reviews scheduled to issue from the Abbott-LNP Government’s extended infrastructure programme.)

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 4:27 pm

    Thanks M … I’ll ‘ave a look … ‘tother place is a bit too biased for me … 😉

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 4:49 pm

    M, you knew I’d concur with that almost word for word! Even to a commenter’s mention of Robber Barons …

    Thank goodness that some of us are aware that this is all about making more profit as cheaply as possible …

    This has been going on for centuries … my own introduction to the $$ mindset came in my early twenties … as rumours do, it was made known that our general manager had commented at an exec meeting … “workers are like leaves from a tree – they arrive and they grow and then they fall – knew ones will just take their place” … and later … “workers are like pencils – you use them until they break and then just get another one …”

    What is frightening is that so many people didn’t see this coming … and … like the Third Reich this regime actually believes that what they are doing is right … “The Budget” will go down in history as a blatant, ideological, revenge attack on the nation …

    Only two more to go … just in case you’d forgotten

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 6:20 pm

    either everyone is off marching, at CW, having dinner (bit early) or we’ve chased ’em off, M

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 6:23 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/eight-church-leaders-detained-for-refusing-to-leave-tony-abbotts-electoral-office/story-fncynjr2-1226922778876

    I’ve been wondering where the “good” folk were … still no organised religious protest over the budget (happy to be corrected) …

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 6:27 pm

    LOL! Forgive him for he knows not what he says ….

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/palmer-united-party-a-cult-barnaby-joyce/story-fnii5v6w-1226922461372

    GO CLIVEY!

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 19, 2014 6:27 pm

    TB, that place only gets lively if one of their “trolls” turns up. It relies on (tame) partisan conflict. Without that, they don’t have much to say – there’s little camaraderie or humour.

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 6:31 pm

    Wait for the story about Beyond Billabong from Queensland … awarded a $2 mill contract by the Attorney General Bleijie, after/before donating to the LNP … and they were not considerd suitable by his own department … the front runners had tendered @ $1 mill …

    Can’t find details …

    Robber Barons at work! (With OUR money)

  40. May 19, 2014 6:31 pm

    Maybe when they sting Squeals ball sack he will wake TF up… doubt it though 🙄

    http://m.smh.com.au/money/budgets-secret-sting-for-pensioners-and-matureage-workers-20140516-zreh5.html

  41. May 19, 2014 6:43 pm

    Penny cutting through the shit and telling it like it actually is..

  42. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 7:12 pm

    ‘What is frightening is that so many people didn’t see this coming … ‘

    Nothing has happened yet, I’m still confident he’ll pull a rabbit out of the hat, a vision splendid. If I’m wrong, then he’s a lame duck.

    That’s the wonderful thing about democracy, we can throw the buggers out in due course if they are not performing to our satisfaction.

  43. May 19, 2014 7:19 pm

    Not too many defenders around, I notice.

    It’s like that when confronted with the indefensible.

    Silence can sometimes be taken for tacit disapproval…or not.

  44. May 19, 2014 7:21 pm

    I love how AbbottCorp is being eaten by its own base.

    Most punters ARE NOT ideologues. They have wants & needs grounded in day to day life. Beyond push button manipulations, apparently.

    Still…early days. Which is why AbbottCorp showing its hand may have been a little premature.

  45. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 7:42 pm

    The Bolter is blaming the media.

  46. May 19, 2014 7:46 pm

    ” If I’m wrong”

    What do u mean “if?”

  47. May 19, 2014 7:47 pm

    “The Bolter is blaming the media.”

    How surprisement.

  48. Tony permalink
    May 19, 2014 7:47 pm

    “Nothing has happened yet”

    You may be right.

  49. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 8:00 pm

    ‘You may be right.’

    Hockey has been moving the chairs about, its now more weighted towards infrastructure .

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    May 19, 2014 8:18 pm

    You may be right.

    Good link, ToSY … seems all they have done is upset a lot (a VERY LOT) of people for no gain and in fact the changes would take a lot of spending power out of the economy – creating a self-fulfilling prophecy …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Maybe when they sting Squeals ball sack he will wake TF up… doubt it though

    RP, that sting will put a big hole in our budget!

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 19, 2014 8:30 pm

    Catallaxy people are not happy but it is unlikely they will vote for the ALP. I liked this guys comment

    AUSTRALIA 2007 No debt, no deficit, no interest. and AUD40 bn in the bank.
    AUSTRALIA 2013 $123bn on the credit card, $667pn on the mortgage, and $12bn .p.a. interest.
    Well Done, Julia, Kev and Bill….and Penny and Steve, and Anthony, and Roxy, Wayne and…..and….
    Triple A losers, everyone of them
    And now Electricity Bill wants to stop anyone from cleaning up the mess
    .”

  52. May 19, 2014 8:41 pm

    Latest Roy Morgan Poll… Labor 57.5 LNP 42.5 The beginning of the end of one of the lowest Ebbs in Australian political history with the worst and most unworthy PM’s ever elected in Australian history. Unanimously despised by even his own party. I sugest that the fiberal “bored” room will be playing re-runs of Malcolm in the Middle very shortly.

    http://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll?to=b6912c8233db485c8b66c63cfa57447c

    So let me get this Right Egg, they stop a major infrastructure project, fuck it up..claiming it was mismanaged to build infrastructure after his mentor Honest John Built fuck all while they sell infrastructure and thats gonna save them?

    You’re so fucking stupid you’d vote for these CuN ts

    RP, that sting will put a big hole in our budget!

    You can’t put brains in a statue TB 🙄

  53. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 9:30 pm

    ‘So let me get this Right Egg’

    All I’m sayin’ is that if there is no rail infrastructure mooted soon, then Abbott is dead meat.

  54. egg permalink
    May 19, 2014 9:58 pm

    Selling old infrastructure to build new.

    ‘The federal government has unveiled an $11.6 billion transport infrastructure package for Australia that will take total federal spending to $50 billion by 2019-20.

    ‘It says the investment will in turn spur state and private sector investment in roads and rail across the continent and could spur up to $125 billion total investment by 2019-20.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/record-injection-for-wa-infrastructure-20140514-zrbvp.html#ixzz32A6KVppM

  55. May 19, 2014 10:42 pm

    A fake `budget emergency` can only get you so far, teabags. 🙂

  56. May 19, 2014 11:01 pm

    ”””further debase themselves”””

    agree, but don`t worry, it`s their specialty

  57. May 19, 2014 11:07 pm

    don`t go gettin`too excited with`ya roy morgan there ricky,

    there is still two`plus years available to `team-albo` for it to shoot itself in the foot

  58. May 19, 2014 11:08 pm

    Selling old infrastructure to build new.

    You are fucking kidding right? You’re taking the piss…

    Egg Sound like much like Q and A tonight, heavy grifting masquerading as heavy lifting.

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 20, 2014 7:08 am

    We are already paying higher interest rates on the debt Labor created than other major countries but if this happens they will get even higher.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/australia_aaa_credit_rating_at_risk_5qqhkQyjknWnUmQ6RXwPLK

    “Ratings agency Standard & Poor’s is warning Australia’s prized AAA credit rating could be reviewed unless substantial cuts are made to the budget in coming years.

    In an unusually forthright warning, a lead sovereign analyst for S&P, Craig Michaels, said he was counting on the Abbott government to win Senate approval for at least “some” of its $37 billion in planned savings against opposition from Labor, which has pledged to veto about $18 billion in cuts and tax rises.”

  60. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 7:14 am

    ‘You are fucking kidding right? You’re taking the piss…’

    Without looking for the detail the government is offering incentives to the states to lease ports and sell old infrastructure to fund new infrastructure.

  61. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 7:23 am

    NSW could scoop $30 billion if they sold their poles and wires to a foreign consortium.

  62. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 7:45 am

    SMH former editor blows whistle on her fkn male colleagues.

    “While I acknowledged at the time I had a lot to learn as a leader, I was ill prepared for the inevitable gender criticism,” Wilson wrote in The Guardian online.

    ‘… the former editor detailed a poison letter from a staffer describing her as a “shallow, talentless, fat-arsed and unloved bitch with no leadership qualities”.

  63. May 20, 2014 9:36 am

    “a “shallow, talentless, fat-arsed and unloved bitch with no leadership qualities”.

    Priceless.

  64. May 20, 2014 10:31 am

    Bush Economics..
    http://m.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalition-ridiculed-over-bad-policies-20140519-38k7y.html

    Joe was doing the “Heavy Grifting” skit last night on Q and A. He provided some great comic relief for the Audience

    Q; Do you feel you have to lie to get into government
    A; No
    Riotous laughter as Joe remained deadpan ,,, twas such a performance, he’s a shoe in for a Logie 4 sure. Oh how we laughed 🙂

    “a “shallow, talentless, fat-arsed and unloved bitch with no leadership qualities”.

    So they know Joe then?

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 11:05 am

    I shall need to go through Smokin’ Joe’s testimony last night but there were quite a few contradictions (and/or details missed) in many of his replies … and the young bloke from Taswegia really did own him last night …

    The more I listen to and read Hockey and Abbott on the budget the more I’m convinced they really don’t have a fkn clue about action and reaction and subsequent consequence of actions … very, very amateur …

    And his comment referring to the $7 c0-payment as a tax – you can call it a rabbit – well we all know who the rabbits are and myxomatosis is still around – in many forms … the senate, the ballot box … maybe the new GG (although Peter seems to be a staunch Liberal) …

  66. May 20, 2014 11:46 am

    the young bloke from Taswegia really did own him last night …

    He was his bitch to borrow a favorite teabagism….

    The more I listen to and read Hockey and Abbott on the budget the more I’m convinced they really don’t have a fkn clue about action and reaction

    Big on Ideology..short on answers. Unravel the methodology of the assumptions that underpin this agenda laden budget and the over riding meme is most definitely class warfare steeped in faux fear. The more they explain themselves (Shepard included) the more amateurish and “childish it looks”

    Hokey looked like he should have been back in the Deli he was so ham fisted.. A shining example of the arrogance of this government, where ability is ankle tripping them up whilst the arrogant face of lofty moral superiority attempts to peak over a hair of truth in the gutter pretending to be the high bar….

  67. May 20, 2014 11:59 am

    Out of the mouth of babes.. He’s a baddie 🙂

  68. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 20, 2014 12:16 pm

    Abbott can’t even count on the <a href="http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2014/05/joe-hockeys-lead-balloon/&quot;Quadrant crowd to support his budget.

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 12:20 pm

    Negative gearing has just received a big kick along for taxpayers subject to the new 2 per cent annual levy on taxable income above $180,000. Instead of being eligible for a tax refund at a 48 per cent marginal rate (including the Medicare levy) they will receive a 50 per cent marginal tax refund next tax year.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 12:23 pm

    RP, this explains the “sting”, we were discussing yesterday, a little better …

    The federal budget contained few surprises for age pensioners. The government has delayed the introduction of all major changes, including indexing the age pension by reference to the consumer price index, until September 2017 or even later.

    The electorate will thus be able to have a say on this measure and also on the proposal to increase the age pension qualifying age from the current 67 to 70 by July 2035. The risk for current and future age pensioners, however, is that the budgetary situation at the time of the next election may not allow the next government the flexibility to retain the more generous existing indexing arrangements.

    Currently the half yearly pension increases are based on the highest of the increase in the CPI, Male Total Average Weekly Earnings and the Pensioner and Beneficiary Living Cost Index. Basing the increases on the CPI only will almost certainly reduce the future income received by pensioners.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/budget-has-few-surprises-for-age-pensioners-selffunded-retirees-20140513-3884t.html

  71. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2014 12:52 pm

    Love that vid of the kids ricky 🙂

    As far as I’m concerned, team abbott are going to be flat out selling this shit s/wich, they’ll be pushing shit uphill until the next election.
    Bring on the protests, the civil disobedience and determination to see this govt out at the next election.
    Joe took a battering last night on Q&A, the people put him right on the spot, he ended up in a sweat, tassie guy was fantastic!

    Students’ violence is wrong, but what about politicial violence?:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/20/students-violence-is-wrong-but-what-about-politicial-violence

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2014 12:55 pm

    Standard and Poor’s says Australian rating safe from budget blocks:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-20/standard-and-poors-says-australian-rating-safe-from-budget-bloc/5464482?section=business

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 20, 2014 1:09 pm

    Well trust the ABC to toe the ALP line. Fact is another 3 or 4 years of Wayne Swan deficits means we will have to start paying more for borrowed money. And that appears to be what Standard and Poor’s are saying. And we are already paying double the interest rates the Europeans pay.

    And worse, we have to fund our borrowing with foreign money. The Europeans can fund their borrowings from within their own countries. We cannot.

    As far as I’m concerned, team abbott are going to be flat out selling this shit s/wich, they’ll be pushing shit uphill until the next election.”

    Any idea of how to stop us losing our AAA credit rating????

    Must be nice to live in leftie la la land.

  74. Ricky Pann permalink
    May 20, 2014 1:15 pm

    Yeah I read that article yesterday TB… I stand by my assertion that this budget is big on “try it on ideology” steeped in faux alarmist agenda based political polemic. Most of the devil’s in detail is designed to give the illusion that they are dishing out the necessary snake oil. Joe’s medicine show cure for a media induced mass Hypochondriasis is largely economic placebo which will not address long term physical structure.

    Most of the measures are based upon “economic projections” as far out as 2035 and when pressed for detail they allude to this enormous Physical problem they say we have, yet every credible economist in the world says does not exist.

    Combine this with the fact that Abbott is an economic imbecile and Hokey just don’t add up nor can he explain himself, its bizarre and disastrous. I mean why wage war on ordinary voters so flagrantly other than to enforce ideology or commit political suicide? Its just so amateurish.

    This punctuating each rhetorical sentence with the words “deficit” “emergency” for the benefit of economic simpletons, doing the polar opposite of what they said they would do and be will not see the voting public, nor history treat them with anything but the disdain they have duly earned.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 1:26 pm

    And worse, we have to fund our borrowing with foreign money. The Europeans can fund their borrowings from within their own countries. We cannot.

    Where do you get this shit from, Kneel …

    Maybe if we didn’t fund the wannabe Robber Barons … rather than shaft the poor, the weak, the young and old and frail …

    Negative gearing has just received a big kick along for taxpayers subject to the new 2 per cent annual levy on taxable income above $180,000. Instead of being eligible for a tax refund at a 48 per cent marginal rate (including the Medicare levy) they will receive a 50 per cent marginal tax refund next tax year.

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 1:27 pm

    Must be nice to live in leftie la la land.

    I know who lives in fkn la la land …

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2014 1:28 pm

    Any idea of how to stop us losing our AAA credit rating????

    don’t almost double the deficit ceiling, that could help. And as clive says “make business pay a GST, they don’t pay any now” rather than increase it so that the poor pay more for food from a lesser income base.

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 20, 2014 1:31 pm

    “Where do you get this shit from, Kneel …

    I heard it on the radio. Apparently we only fund one-third of government bonds from Australian lenders. The other two-thirds comes from overseas.

    I heard that Europeans can fund their own debt on the radio as well. But as well all know China has lent the USA a lot of money. So it looks like the Americans cannot fund their own deficit spending either. Not sure what percentage the Chinese have of USA bonds.

  79. May 20, 2014 1:36 pm

    Sqweals
    JUST FUCK OFF
    YOU ADD NOTHING
    MADE NO POINT
    MAKE NO SENSE

  80. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 1:42 pm

    Any idea of how to stop us losing our AAA credit rating?

    Maybe they should ask for some advice from the Worlds Greatest Treasurer?

  81. May 20, 2014 1:56 pm

    Jesus! It’s Tom R!

    Saints preserve us! 🙂

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2014 2:00 pm

    great to see you tomR, i have missed you!

    Maybe they should ask for some advice from the Worlds Greatest Treasurer?

    😆

    What I see is a government who has breached a fundamental faith of the people. We have always proudly supported universal health care, been happy to pay for it through our taxes to support anyone who needs medical attention, rich or poor.

    Don’t think we asked for fighter jets and best medical research which is likely to benefit private interests, funded by the taxes of the poor and the sick. Medical research is good but not at the expense of the elderly and the sick.
    There is an argument that medical research should be from philosophical funding of the wealthy profiteers, something they can actually give back to the taxpayers that have assisted with their wealth creation.

  83. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 2:06 pm

    Saints preserve us!

    Don’t bring them into it now reb.

    Crows preserve, now that I’d be happy with 😉

  84. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 2:09 pm

    great to see you tomR, i have missed you!

    Good to see you still here AO. Feeling is mutual. Don’t know if I’ll hang around long or not. posting has become extremely erratic for me lately. Maybe that’s a good thing 🙂

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 2:14 pm

    Saints preserve us!

    Yes … my son?

    G’day TR!!!!!

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 2:18 pm

    And as clive says “make business pay a GST, they don’t pay any now” …

    Keep the MRRT but change the name to simply Business Super Profits Tax … and aim it squarely at the banks and any business making outrageous profits …

    Particularly banks … who suck the public dry just doing, well, nowt!

    Robber Barons at work!

  87. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 2:22 pm

    Hi Tom.

  88. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 2:28 pm

    Hi yáll

    BSPT, I like it TB. If they could get Google to fork out ……

    Problem solvered. Even hockeynomics could operate in that environment

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 2:48 pm

    Daydreams I’m afraid, TR … ’tis like two steps forward and one step back …

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 2:49 pm

    Or is it one step forward and two steps back?

  91. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 2:53 pm

    At the moment TB, it’s just three steps back 😦

  92. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 3:26 pm

    Lookin after their mates indeed

    It’s the eternal lie they’ve told

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMlaFD3s-1s

  93. May 20, 2014 3:29 pm

    Of course I meant

    Not

    but were getting

  94. armchair opionator permalink
    May 20, 2014 3:44 pm

    Saw an article in guardian about the student debt also being s exist. A female nurse who has time out to have a baby will face a hecs debt of $50,300 and will take 39 yrs to pay off the debt compared to a male nurse’s 30 yrs & 38,500 liability.
    Sorry can’t link as at work now.

  95. May 20, 2014 3:52 pm

    Mirrabella lecturing students on politics and the Media?
    What advice should she possibly give?
    1. Suck your Professors Cock
    2. Ask him nicely to speak to his mates about preselection
    3. Suck some more cock
    4. Get pre selection in a safe seat
    5. Be a complete Cunt
    6. Stand in front of possibly the most offensive sign to females in Australian political history.

    7. Be such a cunt that people send money from all around the country to an independent they don’t even know so as to get you assholed out of your safe seat as a guarantee they never see you in another fluoro again

    8. Suck more cock and get put on boards…

    She has many acquired skills to digest. She really is at the Jiz of it.
    And her Media skills are Legendary

  96. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 3:54 pm

    Might have been this one AO

    News that women will pay 30% more in student debt under the Abbott government’s changes to higher education will be ignored by the denialists who believe sexism is a figment of the female imagination. Yet, this news is the perfect example of Australia’s sexism.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/20/mothers-to-pay-more-in-student-debt-thats-australias-sexism-for-you

  97. armchair opionator permalink
    May 20, 2014 4:04 pm

    No it was the one above that link tomr called “mothers face more interest on loans”

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 4:08 pm

    AO/TR, as I said earlier the more I read about this amateur budget the more it demonstrates we have too many clowns and magicians in the circus …. BTW I know a really good knife thrower 🙂

  99. Neil of Sydney permalink
    May 20, 2014 4:39 pm

    Well after reading the recent comments i am glad i am not a Labor supporter.

    You people are nothing but nasty human beings. Just like the people who went after Mirabella who is not even in Parliament. Lefties are natural totalitarians.

    No wonder most ALP programs do not work

  100. armchair opionator permalink
    May 20, 2014 5:02 pm

    “lefties are natural totalitarians”

    Unlike the natural fascism of the right wing fucktards eh?

  101. May 20, 2014 5:18 pm

    You people are nothing but nasty human beings

    I think we learnt who the nasty ones are with this Bourgeois Budget
    We understand why squeals would identify with sophie . she’s a complete ass trumpeting fucktard too.

    it demonstrates we have too many clowns and magicians in the circus

  102. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 5:31 pm

    He can’t put a foot right.

    ‘Mr Abbott used the Australian Financial Review report – titled “AAA credit rating at risk” – to repeatedly attack Labor today, urging the opposition to pass his government’s first budget through the Senate.

    ‘However Mr Michaels has told The Australian “there is no immediate risk to the AAA credit rating”.

    “We have a stable outlook on the AAA rating, which means we think there’s a less than one-in-three chance of a change to the next couple of years,” Mr Michaels said this afternoon.’

    Owens & Berkovic / Oz

  103. May 20, 2014 5:45 pm

    People like me have a long memory..as does Twitter
    Oh the bitter Hypocritical Irony :roll:…

    AO I noticed you are loving the word “fucktard” its personal favorite… 🙂

  104. May 20, 2014 5:59 pm

    l agree armchair / TB,

    mr-eleventy was pwned by the qandaland audience multiple times last night, and he only gave the usual mealy mouth management type answers, he was well and truely fcuked when the dude said he was `punishing` people that werevictims of `down-turn` and `had` already been emplyoyed and re-re-re-re-skilled. #teabags #Hi-TomR

  105. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 6:05 pm

    ‘Treasurer Joe Hockey is suing Fairfax Media over a front-page story in its major metropolitan newspapers headlined ‘Treasurer For Sale.’

    ‘Lawyers acting for the federal treasurer started defamation proceedings against The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and the Canberra times and their online services in the Federal Court on Tuesday.

    ‘The treasurer’s determination to seek to prosecute this matter should not be underestimated,’ his spokesperson told AAP.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2633607/Hockey-wants-day-court.html#ixzz32F07YIRb
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  106. May 20, 2014 6:08 pm

    ””””””’The budget documents reveal almost $3bn worth of funding agreements with state governments in the health portfolio alone that have been cut, deferred or abandoned – with the cuts starting this year or next year.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/19/hospital-cuts-begin-july-tony-abbott-admits?CMP=soc_567
    ”””””””””

    on qandaland, a medico-woman got stuck into mr-eleventy about this reb, she reckons the zombies had managed to `unite` all factions of the medical sector `against` the teabags budget, that`s how bad it is, from their perspective.

  107. May 20, 2014 6:24 pm

    ””””Business Super Profits Tax””””(TB)

    #l agree with the sentiments, but,

    ”””’BSPT, I like it TB. If they could get Google to fork out””(TomR)

    #they would have no hope in hell of getting it out of goggle-monster, a Govt trying to, would be a dead-duck within 48-hours, all google would have to do is deny service to Aust, causing people `and` biz to go completely ape-shit, no search, no adverts served, no gmail, no other google service, Govt won`t last 48-hours.

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 6:25 pm

    He can’t put a foot right.

    You mean he has two left feet? Kneel will be livid!

  109. May 20, 2014 6:27 pm

    fakebook-monster would be similar, 11-million daily Aust users, all suddenly locked-out coz of stupid Aust Govt, equals population going ape-shit

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    May 20, 2014 6:29 pm

    The treasurer’s determination to seek to prosecute this matter should not be underestimated,’ his spokesperson told AAP.’

    Can I volunteer for the jury? Please, please! I have experience two rape trials!!!!

  111. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 6:47 pm

    ‘Can I volunteer for the jury?’

    In your dreams, the Treasurer claims Fairfax got it badly wrong so I expect it will be settled out of court.

    ‘Mr Hockey, in rejecting the claims at the time, described the accusations as both offensive and repugnant.’

  112. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 7:02 pm

    Just like the people who went after Mirabella who is not even in Parliament.

    Did they Ditch the Witch?

    Dump her in a Chaff Bag?

    Did her father die of shame?

    Were her body parts on a Menu?

    Did they even throw a sandwich at her?

    Or did they just get all shouty? Meanies!

  113. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 7:28 pm

    Its on parliamentary record that the Labor government referred to Abbott as “thug”, “misogynist”, “douchebag”, “Neanderthal”, “nuts”, “sexist”, “rancid”, “Australia’s biggest bulshit artist”, “mendacious”, “deceitful”, “deceptive”, “bully” , Jack the Ripper” and more.

    Also they also referred to some voters as “extremists”, “rednecks”, “incontinent”, “of no consequence” and “nutjobs”.

  114. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 7:39 pm

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott has cancelled a planned trip to Victoria’s Deakin University tomorrow amid reports of planned student protests there.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-20/prime-minister-cancels-geelong-uni-visit-security-concerns/5466026

    When danger reared it’s ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled

    Brave surtony ran away

    and more.

    And all very accurate. 😉

    Who were painting targets though?

  115. Tony permalink
    May 20, 2014 7:54 pm

    Hi Tom R. It’s like you never left. (Still Julia’s ever-faithful champion I see. 😉 )

  116. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 7:57 pm

    It’s like you never left.

    Spooky, isn’t it 😉

    I see egg is still the defender of all that is stoopid.

  117. Tom R permalink
    May 20, 2014 7:58 pm

    Hi Tony 🙂

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2014 8:02 pm

    “It’s like you never left.”

    Yes, it’s a pity isn’t it?

  119. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2014 8:07 pm

    🙂

  120. May 20, 2014 8:21 pm

    “Crows preserve”

    Amen..

    Onya, TomR…

    Been to Adelaide Oval yet?…it looks impressive from the outside. Hope it was worth 3 rotations of our plantation forests in the South East.
    Would be good to win there a bit more often.
    hate the idea of a Portress…so anti-human.

  121. May 20, 2014 8:21 pm

    🙂

  122. May 20, 2014 8:22 pm

    Tony would like you to ask him how Richmond are travelling… 😆

  123. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 8:31 pm

    ‘I see egg is still the defender of all that is stoopid.’

    I have strong views on the weather, but politically I’m sitting on the fence.

  124. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 8:47 pm

    If they are going to increase the GST they should retain the exemption for fruit and veggies.

  125. egg permalink
    May 20, 2014 9:05 pm

    On the basis of what we eat today, walks an talks tomorrow. This is a story from 2013.

    http://www.theland.com.au/news/agriculture/horticulture/general-news/gstexempt-fruit-and-veg-claim-denied/2674954.aspx

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 20, 2014 9:57 pm

    http://www.swellnet.com/news/surfpolitik/2014/03/31/abbot-wonderland-or-what-if-tony-really-was-surfer#comments

    ”…let’s all duck down the nearest rabbit hole into a world where Tony Abbott was a surfer. I have heard him described that way in this world and this may be technically correct but I suspect most of us would rather preserve the term for those with a degree of competence and perhaps even some connection to their local surfing community. I have reliable eye witness testimony to his failure to meet the first criterion and at least circumstantial evidence for the second. Therefore, encouraged by this government’s attitude to bold language, I will call him a kook.

    Tony Abbott is a “kook”! Heavens, what is swellnet coming to?

    Most surfers are respectful of authority, intelligent and measured in their opinions. Swellnet is risking their readership with that type of comment!

  127. armchair opionator permalink
    May 20, 2014 10:02 pm

    What a gutless wonder Abbott is, always ready for a fight when in front of the camera but won’t actually face the resulting backlash of his budget in person. Even Gillard fronted up and wore the sandwiches and abuse hurled at her by all. A disappointing specimen of the manliness he tries to portray.

  128. May 20, 2014 10:18 pm

    When you exist in cosy cubilcle, with no true exposure to the rest of the nation, you come to realize that mr-rabbit is the perfect leader, and represents what MEN!! like myself can only aspire to.

    While joolya had quite a list of faults,

    1-allowed unions(boo)
    2-back stabber
    3-joo-LIAR
    4-not Liberal
    5-deficit
    6-too many services
    7-too much infrastructure
    8-the tax!!
    9-woman

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 20, 2014 11:33 pm

    Hockey is offended by a lot these days – if it’s not windmills its fairfax. Heavens they’re a sensitive lot of privileged ponces!
    After what was thrown at labor the last 6 yrs you would’ve thought they were a bit tougher but it seems they can only dish it out. I do hope we can afford the cost of court case I thought we needed to be cutting budget costs not going on an expensive personal frolic!

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:02 am

    Best budget ever!!

  131. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 6:26 am

    lol ao “We are Union”

    yomm will love that (BOO!)

    I see tabot does his best to add to the one punch “debate”. We voted for this tool ❓ 😯

  132. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 6:27 am

  133. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 8:25 am

    Even a friend-of-the-battler needs to be comfortable when visiting his subjects beneficiaries electors.

  134. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:01 am

    At least he is visiting Tony, unlike like brave leader

    Maybe he is afraid of sandwiches?

  135. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:27 am

    I heard bill shock shorten delivering the line yesterday when tabot tried to rule out changes to the GST wtte that if tabot is denying it, then that’s when we really need to worry. He has many examples to support this line, being added to daily it appears

  136. egg permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:45 am

    What he actually said…

    ‘Today, I am committing a future Coalition government to creating one million new jobs within five years and two million new jobs over the next decade.’

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:48 am

    Former federal minister Martin Ferguson has labelled a move to have him ejected from the Labor party as a “transparent” attempt to muzzle his criticism of the Maritime Union of Australia (MUA).
    The ABC understands that the ALP’s WA executive last night endorsed a motion brought on by the MUA to remove Mr Ferguson, who served as resources minister under the Rudd and Gillard governments.

    It’s fascinating how the union dominated ALP just can’t tolerate rational observations about destructive union behaviour, and the poisonous effect this has on the party structure.

    Ferguson devoted much of his life to the union movement, he was secretary of the miccellaneous workers union – covering people like lowly paid cleaners, non trade and production line workers. Then he was leader of the ACTU before enerting parliament. Ferguson might mumble, over explain and invent new words, but his long term commitment to the labour movement can hardly be questioned.

    This action is typical of the hacks and thugs that have hijacked the ALP, and are intent on sending it into irrevennce. It’s probably almost 20 years since John Button called for an amicable divorce between unions and the ALP, and maybe it shouldn’t be so amicable.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-20/labor-wa-calls-on-alp-to-expel-martin-ferguson/5465872

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:49 am

    I noticed the Puppet Payne grinning and burbling last night on Lateline … one thing that struck me was a constants reference to “the states run the public schools” …

    … does that mean the Feds plan on funding the catlik private schools … sneaky way of shifting the funding up again?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    At least he is visiting Tony,

    And Clive’s constituents knew he was a billionaire before he was elected …

    … they know he is going into battle for them in the senate against Adolf Abbott …

    … they know he donates his parliamentary salary to charity …

    … they know he understands what a fair go, looking after your mates, caring for those less well off and being an Australian means …

    … and most importantly – HE HAS BROKEN NO ELECTION PROMISES …

    I’d save the snide sarcasm for where it belongs … aimed squarely at the Liberal National Coalition Government …

    Go Clivey!!

  139. egg permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:50 am

    Abbott believes mass immigration and massive infrastructure building will see a couple of million extra jobs created.

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:52 am

    At least he is visiting Tony,

    And I bet Adolf Abbott doesn’t drive his own car around the electorate … I bet he takes one of OURS!

  141. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:56 am

    I wonder if the Union had a reason for kicking ferguson out yomm?

    Any ideas, or just bovver boys kicking in doors (you know, like Union types are wont to do)

  142. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:57 am

    Abbott believes mass immigration

    So, the new jobs (which apparently he doesn’t think will reach his lofty pre-election pledges, or Labors actual figures (both the same btw)) will be for immigrants, not locals?

    Nice. Can’t remember that being in brochure.

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:09 am

    Well, unions apparently don’t like the fact that he’s on the board of a mining/petrolium industry group.

    Union hacks and the like just can’t cop diversity of experience, opinion and perspective in the ALP. They’d prefer a narrow, insular, singular orientation – a party that is easier to control, and one that delivers comfortable parliamentary seats to them as they wear out their welcome in their respective unions.
    ““““““““
    I’m in Adelaide today, some of the people seem relatively normal…despite their reputation.

  144. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:23 am

    TEOMEIMF

    #manofthepeople

  145. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:27 am

    “some of the people seem relatively normal”

    What a boring little town it is, tho’, ToM, spent four days their when I graduated …

  146. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:29 am

    I spent a week there one afternoon.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:30 am

    Well I had to look that one up, ToSY …

    TEOMEIMF stands for The Enemy of My Enemy Is My Friend. This definition appears very rarely.

    Still I doubt, Adolf Abbott, has any friends AT ALL … unless their in the LIEberal Party …

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:38 am

    LOL! @ ToSY … that about captures the “spirit”

    Pie floaters are good outside the casino (if its still there)

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:45 am

    …Ferguson might mumble, over explain and invent new words, but his long term commitment to the mining & resources degradation labourmovement can hardly be questioned…

  150. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:49 am

    Well, unions apparently don’t like the fact that he’s on the board of a mining/petrolium industry group.

    That’s one way of putting it. Another is that he has breached ministerial ethics

    The union argues Mr Ferguson breached ministerial ethics by joining the advisory board of a key gas lobby group just months after retiring from politics.

    Why don’t Union thugs diversify and allow people who breach ministerial ethics to hang around ❓ 😯

  151. May 21, 2014 10:50 am

    “I spent a week there one afternoon.”

    🙂

  152. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:58 am

    I spent a week there one afternoon.

    I’m into my second life sentence (it seems).

    The upside is that we got Holdens

    Oh… wait 😦

    Oh, and to answer Toilet, no, I haven’t been to the Adelaide Oval since the AFL moved back there, probably won’t for a while. But, from those who have been, nothing but praise. And, it has been a huge boost to town too apparently.

  153. May 21, 2014 11:09 am

    Adelaide has an Ikea.

  154. May 21, 2014 11:11 am

    Abbott gets a little randy…

    Abbott winking for sex line worker.

  155. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 11:23 am

    Amusing video of young socialists using whistles to silence a speech by the Danish prime Minister …

    (My mistake. It was a Danish reporter using a whistle to silence a young socialist. 😉 )

  156. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 11:26 am

    For a minute there I thought you said Idea 😯

    We’re also getting an Aldi apparently. Nuthen can stop us now

  157. May 21, 2014 11:37 am

    These fuckwits have no shame For The Sake of the country.. Just stop this division and lying… The resounding and overwhelming reaction to the budget is its ideology not economics. Stop trying to scare people with Big Black hole, Deficit disaster, Lose AAA rating Budget emergency… JUST FUCKING STOP ALREADY… ‪#‎fiberals‬ ‪#‎liberallies‬

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-20/the-federal-government-has-warned-interest-rates-will-rise-if-b/5465666

  158. May 21, 2014 11:39 am

    You know you’ve really made it when Costco rolls in to town.

  159. May 21, 2014 11:51 am

    Newsflash for Neil…

    Consumer confidence has tumbled to its lowest level in nearly three years after the Federal Government’s budget.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-21/consumer-sentiment-slumps-after-federal-budget/5467056

  160. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2014 12:08 pm

    Tony, the context for your vid was a reporter giving the leftards a taste of their own debating style. She made her point brilliantly.

    More lefty shoutdown tactics – this time it is left on left shoutiness, bless them:

  161. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 12:10 pm

    Consumer confidence has tumbled to its lowest level in nearly three years after the Federal Government’s budget.

    All this without an opposition running around talking down the economy and lying about what is actually happening in the real world.

  162. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 12:11 pm

    Anarchists are Leftists?

    Doesn’t that sort of conflict with what an anarchist actually is ❓ 😯

  163. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 12:17 pm

    Ricky, I thought they wanted interest rates higher, because low ones meant we had a budget emergency.

    No wonder the monkeys confused

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH1OVi2F6sU

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 12:31 pm

    Tony, the context for your vid was a reporter giving the leftards a taste of their own debating style. She made her point brilliantly.

    it sounds like the issue was sexual abuse, pretty heavy stuff, I would like to know the context and backgound of the issue. All power to them I say!

    civil disobedience and protest is a necessary part of democracy, you should be all for it, whether ‘left’ or ‘right’. It becomes even more essential as the corporate controlled state seeks to shut down any debate or protest from concerned citizens.

    If that was australia, the cops would be strongarming the protesters out of there, batons crashing on heads and bodies, tasers at the ready. That’s our kind of fascism democracy 😉

  165. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 12:35 pm

    sorry forgot to use quotation marks for sb’s comments above :blush:

  166. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2014 12:42 pm

    Tom R: “Anarchists are Leftists?”

    The Left is a broad church even if each sect believes they are the one true religion. Of course when they have a falling out things can get quite lively as when Stalin fell out with Trotsky and later when the Hitler-Stalin pact came undone.

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 12:53 pm

    hitler and stalin were total opposites, one was far left [stalin] and one far right [hitler], no matter how you wingnuts try to revise history to clear yourselves of your jackboot fascist history/shame it will always be owned and embraced by you.
    The liberal party today, still has it’s pro hitler/nazi connections.

  168. May 21, 2014 1:00 pm

    More lefty shoutdown tactics – this time it is left on left shoutiness, bless them:

    Protesting against protesting by not being silenced whilst shouting… pretty much a metaphor for this low ebb in Australian political discourse.
    What do we want again? When do we want it? What time is it?
    Loved Tony’s video… 🙂 Not sure its a left thing though. Anarchists are a breed unto themselves…This government is shouting down all detractors as Leftist and Fiscal vandals.. The Hypocrisy is staggering and the lies are transparently fervant. Splatter some of your comments, and mine for that matter, in this very blog would be construed (wrongfully so ) as leftist due to the fact that we question this faux governments, lies, dishonesty and outright incompetence. I’m of the centre left, very wary of any form of radicalism as thats where the agendas “lie”. I only add the term “left” to my position as I have a deep sense of social conscience as opposed to a bleeding or bleating heart. Most of my conservative friends and myself hold the same ideological and moral imperatives but we all agree that Abbott is a fucking dud.. they too are equally outraged, especially being taken for a ride that they are vehemently opposed to by a radical religious fucktard.

    Newsflash for Neil…

    Reb yo are an incorrigible, sarcastic, troll feeding, cage rattler Love it 🙂

    Ricky, I thought they wanted interest rates higher, because low ones meant we had a budget emergency.

    See I told you so.., You’ll go blind, Its my bike…Ner Ner ner Ner ner….Apparently the Adults are in charge 🙄

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:02 pm

    KL, I doubt anyone would confuse our comments 🙂

    Free speech, the right to protest and civil disobedience are fine. But when these rights are exercised in such a way as to limit the freedom of other people then the protesters become the problem. There is no right to stop people you disagree with exercising their right to free speech.

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:03 pm

    You only have to look at our recent history to see fascism at work. Observe the actions taken and the changes made since the liberal party took office just a few short months ago!

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:09 pm

    Not sure its a left thing though. Anarchists are a breed unto themselves…

    i’m fairly partial to self responsible anarchy myself 😉

    There is no right to stop people you disagree with exercising their right to free speech.

    of course there is, it’s called protest and there are also a number of laws to prevent free speech [libel laws].

  172. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:10 pm

    “Splatter some of your comments, and mine for that matter, in this very blog would be construed (wrongfully so ) as leftist”

    The problem isn’t the individual comments. It is that people feel the need to identify as leftist or with some party or ideology. That is the point at which the slide into groupthink starts. If your position on every issue can be predicted from whatever “side” you are on then you need to start thinking for yourself. Most people here do not fall into that category.

  173. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:12 pm

    besides, where is the ‘stopping’ or preventing/ refusal of free speech? it is only a disruption!

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:14 pm

    of course there is, it’s called protest

    If some lefty reserves the right to shut me up, I reserve the right to punch the shit out of them.

    and there are also a number of laws to prevent free speech [libel laws].

    Sadly there are many such laws – and there would be even more if Underpants Conroy and the Arseclown Bob Brown had got their way. The left loves shutting people up. They have never been big on logical argument.

  175. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:19 pm

    So far to day we have has Tony Abbott called Adolf Abbott, and the Liberal party likened to fascists. As Godwin-ite name-calling, it’s text-book stuff. As factual argument, it’s crap.

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:19 pm

    If your position on every issue can be predicted from whatever “side” you are on then you need to start thinking for yourself.

    OMG 😯
    Ae you listening to yourself? You have done nothing but scream ‘lefty’ and ‘communist’ at anyone who opposes your opinion throughout this blog 😉
    We’ve all tried [well me, Tb and ricky as far as i know] to tell you that there is no convenient pigeon hole to put people in. No-one but the old culture warriors and the deliberately inflammatory [bolt & co] even think like that anymore.

  177. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:20 pm

    “it is only a disruption!”

    It happens in myriad ways. Shutting people up is the ultimate admission that you don’t have any logical arguments.

    Ayan Hirsi Ali was invited to give a commencement address at Brandeis Uni. She is a hero of our time,s having grown up and suffered under a vile mysoginist religion, she now spoke out about it. Naturally the left, rather than let her speak, came down on the side of the genital mutilators and had her disinvited. Just another sad chapter in the culture wars, I guess.

  178. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:21 pm

    If your position on every issue can be predicted from whatever “side” you are on

    Was there a reason then that Anarchists were immediately assumed to be Lefties?

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:23 pm

    If some lefty reserves the right to shut me up, I reserve the right to punch the shit out of them.

    Advocating violence too?
    You’ve done a complete about face, some would say a HIPPO like CRITICAL, about face compared to previous abusecomments!

  180. May 21, 2014 1:25 pm

    “Reb yo are an incorrigible, sarcastic, troll feeding, cage rattler”

    Thank you. 🙂

  181. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:29 pm

    If some lefty reserves the right to shut me up, I reserve the right to punch the shit out of them.

    Is Splatterbottom tabot? Oh no, that’s right, tabot is too scared to get near the shouties. Funny, his mentor addressed the gun lobby, but tabot is too scaredy to face up to uni students. What a gutless bully he’s turned out to be (oh, that’s right, some people have been saying for a long time he’s a gutless bully)

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:29 pm

    just for something different.
    shades of alex downer’s daughter getting a controversial cushy job through father’s influence. And they wonder why people protest their nepotism and corruption.

  183. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:30 pm

    You’ll go blind

    Again! ❓ 😯

  184. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:32 pm

    NTTAWTT

  185. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:34 pm

    “Are you listening to yourself?”

    Have you seen my comments earlier in this thread? I don’t have a “side”. I try to take things issue by issue. Most people here do in their own way. Maybe not Tom R, but most people.

    Communism and socialism are still relevent. Socialist Alliance has been prominent lately in trying to shut people up, in case you didn’t notice. Millions of people are still oppressed by communist regimes. And prominent politicians have a communist past – they are no better than old Nazis and should be held in complete contempt.

  186. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:36 pm

    “Advocating violence too?”

    No, just self defence.

  187. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:38 pm

    No, just self defence.

    Wow, that escalated quickly 😯

  188. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 1:39 pm

  189. May 21, 2014 1:46 pm

    Tony is a highly regarded economist fuckwit

  190. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 2:20 pm

    and it would appear that the scholarship could be a ‘one only’

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/21/tony-abbotts-daughter-did-not-have-to-pay-for-60000-design-degree

    …Frances definitely was a student with us and received a chairman’s scholarship,” Leanne Whitehouse, director of the Institute told Guardian Australia. She declined to detail how many times the “chairman’s scholarship” has been awarded previously, but the institute’s website makes no references to the scholarship and states the institute “does not currently offer scholarships to gain a place into the Bachelor of Design”…

  191. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 2:34 pm

    This budget reminds me of shopping at harvey norman. You just know you are being fleeced.

  192. May 21, 2014 2:44 pm

    I see Kamahl’s out and about accepting cash for endorsements…

  193. May 21, 2014 2:51 pm

    It is that people feel the need to identify as leftist or with some party or ideology

    Pretty much…. I’m issue based.. is the only sane position to take.

    Left V Right… Well a cigarette paper from fascist nazi ‘s oppressive dictators seems to be “left ” for this bunch of Poncing Political Pygmies with their antagonistic Polemic of puerile posturing to robber barons and the gullibly imbecilic 🙄

    Divide and Conquer? Works for imbecilic parrot simpletons like Squeals

    I myself maintain a healthy partisan contempt for most politicians.. it just saves time.
    Its good to see people actually cattle prodded from the apathy of lazy indifference to take action, as these fuckwits were counting on apathy and contempt to carry out their evil plan..
    The voters and history will not be kind to these fuckwits, Australia got what it deserved, they left the window open and in drifted the fascist ideology like an idiot wind.

    Big tough Tony lost his plumbs today….Are there any Clock Towers or Book repositories near Deakin incidentally?..just sayin 🙂

  194. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 2:55 pm

    Are there any Clock Towers or Book repositories near Deakin

    He doesn’t need something that extreme for the bottom to splatter Ricky, anyone armed with a microphone who looks remotely like asking a question is enough to make him Run To The Hills 😉

  195. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 3:12 pm

    “I’d study at UBSS if I were a student.” ~ Kamahl

    Good to know. Many is the time I’ve asked myself: ‘What would Kamahl do?

  196. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 3:15 pm

    “Are there any Clock Towers or Book repositories near Deakin”

    They have a wisdom suppository.

  197. May 21, 2014 3:16 pm

    “I’d study at UBSS if I were a student”
    So sincere 🙄 Be like Clive.. park the Roller in the student carpark…

    “I’d study at UBSS if I were a student but i’m too busy crooning Fiberal fundraisers for people who are so unkind” 🙄

  198. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 3:18 pm

    They have a wisdom suppository.

    Not today, apparently he splattered

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2014 3:52 pm

    The liberal party today, still has it’s pro hitler/nazi connections.

    As does the Vatican …

    As factual argument, it’s crap.

    Prove it …

    Communism and socialism are still relevent.

    Then you must agree that fascism exists too …

    ♫Ya can’t have one without the oth-e-e-r♫ ♫

  200. May 21, 2014 4:30 pm

    Its the Clip that just keeps Giving

  201. Meta permalink
    May 21, 2014 4:49 pm

    (I can’t really see any punchline in Abbott’s graduating from Battlelines to My Germane Re-Federation upon attaining Super-Supreme Chairthingship, either; even if it were handpainted in cartoonish watercolour on a purifying White Paper.)

  202. May 21, 2014 4:58 pm

    “Even a friend-of-the-battler needs to be comfortable when visiting his subjects beneficiaries electors.”

    Well done, Ser.

    Joining the attack on Palmer, who is pressing the attack on the conservatives- stealing their base.
    Magfuckingnificent.

    I’d never accuse someone of taking their cue from a House of Rightwing Dissemination…but Herr Bolt is on just exactly the same Crusade .

    Yay for grassroots defilade!!!

  203. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 5:11 pm

    “Joining the attack on Palmer, who is pressing the attack on the conservatives- stealing their base.”

    Not fighting for the conservative cause, just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who would otherwise (and probably have in the past) classified Palmer as a ‘Robber Baron’. Now it’s ‘Go Clive!’

    It was never a matter of principle after all, as this one counter-example proves.

  204. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 5:18 pm

    ‘So far to day we have has Tony Abbott called Adolf Abbott, and the Liberal party likened to fascists.’

    Not to mention Nazis.

  205. May 21, 2014 5:34 pm

    Clive is a loose cannon with deep pockets and scores to settle, a very scary prospect for the Fiberals and Labor. The world needs more Clive Palmers..I just don’t approve how he got there. Predominantly a real estate salesman from Joes White shoe brigade..

    He knows lots of dirty secrets does Clivey…. I’m sure he believes some of what he is doing is correct but its fuckin scary when someone can get 6% odd and climbing of the vote with little more than money. Shows you how fucked the Greens are… there is a void left by the Democrats for a third wheel that Clive is filling. The Greens have not capitalised this gift opportunity due to political obstinance, radicalism, policy stupidity, disorganisation and naivety (voting with the Tory’s against the ETS.. fuck me)

    Clive is a self serving, unpredictable fucker.. but like Malcolm in the Middle and Rudd, he is just doing it .. so I’m torn with Clive.. he’s a conundrum wrapped in a riddle… One thing 4 sure, he’s the gift that keeps giving.

  206. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2014 5:40 pm

    “Clive is a self serving, unpredictable fucker.. but like Malcolm in the Middle and Rudd, he is just doing it .. so I’m torn with Clive.. he’s a conundrum wrapped in a riddle… One thing 4 sure, he’s the gift that keeps giving.”

    For Clive, this is just another business venture. Talk about the one-percenters taking over.

  207. May 21, 2014 5:41 pm

    TEOMEIMF

    Possibly aimed at me for a previous comment, TB…

  208. May 21, 2014 5:46 pm

    “Clive is a loose cannon with deep pockets and scores to settle, a very scary prospect for the Fiberals and Labor.”

    Gauge responses accordingly.

    I’m not a Clive fan. He is a populist Gina. Thank fuck he isn’t peddling too much of his snake oil in SA…yet. But, I do like to see the duopoly squirm. It’s when we find out what the entrenched really think about ‘democracy…

  209. May 21, 2014 5:48 pm

    First of last should have read…”“Clive is a loose cannon with deep pockets and scores to settle, a very scary prospect for a threat to the Fiberals and Labor.”

  210. May 21, 2014 5:56 pm

    “Its good to see people actually cattle prodded from the apathy of lazy indifference to take action, as these fuckwits were counting on apathy and contempt to carry out their evil plan..”

    Agreed…Bolt calls such people ‘barbarians’.

    He would have been Octavian’s greatest arselicker.

    * Just remember, only leftists and muslims are violent. Anything else can be reverse rationalised…

  211. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 6:18 pm

    So far to day we have has Tony Abbott called Adolf Abbott,

    Nasty Anarchists

  212. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 6:21 pm

    Bolt calls such people ‘barbarians’

    And when they are sponsored by shock jocks, they are “grass roots campaign”

    I wonder how many uni students were stopped at the border?

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2014 6:29 pm

    just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who would otherwise (and probably have in the past) classified Palmer as a ‘Robber Baron’. Now it’s ‘Go Clive!’

    Its all in ACTIONs and BEHAVIOUR, ToSY, including yours … do you think I’m that fkn dumb! You arrogant prick – “the hypocrisy of those who” … don’t insult my intelligence …

    As for “(and probably have in the past)” PROVE IT … no better than a troll …

    Address your insults to me … not as some fkn third party … typical arrogant – I know better than you attitude …

    Clive Palmer may be a Robber Baron … but he’s fast becoming a Baron by his ACTIONS … protecting the fkn serfs that you disdain …

    Not to mention Nazis. Prove it!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    For Clive, this is just another business venture. Talk about the one-percenters taking over.

    Might be better than the 101 Percenters …

    But, I do like to see the duopoly squirm

    Aaaah … TEOMEIMF … in the case of Clivey … absolutely!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    He would have been Octavian’s greatest arselicker.

    Ha ha – you read the book …

    And everyone believes Ceasar was the saviour!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Anything else can be reverse rationalised…

    Just a slight edit, mate … “Anything else is reverse rationalised”…by the tories … whose absence (sb exempted) is so–o-o-o-o obvious in these trying times …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Here’s more ARSEHOLE LIBERALS AT WORK >>> The real Robber Barons at work …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/qld-solar-tariffs-under-threat/story-fnii5v6w-1226925963793

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    May 21, 2014 6:31 pm

    Might be better than the 101 Percenters …

    ME!

  215. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 6:51 pm

    “Prove it!”

    No, it’s you who’s calling Tony Abbott ‘Adolf’, and you who’s calling the Liberals Nazis, all without explaining what they have done that even comes close to what those evil bastards did. So, yes, it’s up to you to “prove” your assertions..

  216. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:00 pm

    It was never a matter of principle after all, as this one counter-example proves.

    Who said it was? I’m quite honest about that. As long as he’s shaking things up, creating a problem for the liblab, it’s all good imo!

  217. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:02 pm

    “You arrogant prick … no better than a troll … typical arrogant – I know better than you attitude … protecting the fkn serfs that you disdain”

    Feel better now?

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:05 pm

    For Clive, this is just another business venture. Talk about the one-percenters taking over.

    You don’t think the political parties and politicians aren’t part of the 1%? Hasn’t ICAC and the obeid thing shown it to be one big [taxpayer funded] pot of gold for them all?

    You’re so touchingly naive sometimes sb! 😉

  219. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:13 pm

    Nazis, all without explaining what they have done that even comes close to what those evil bastards did. So, yes, it’s up to you to “prove” your assertions..

    *cough* manus island, all they need is a gas chamber, they do have the orange hermetically sealed floating bubbles of plastic full of wretched humanity…and oh, the lies, and lies and more lies.

  220. May 21, 2014 7:13 pm

    “Ha ha – you read the book ”

    Indeed, I did…

    I read many of the books recommended here.

  221. May 21, 2014 7:18 pm

    “You don’t think the political parties and politicians aren’t part of the 1%? Hasn’t ICAC and the obeid thing shown it to be one big [taxpayer funded] pot of gold for them all?”

    I’m pretty sure that splatter shows a good understanding of ‘what’s really going on’ in the halls of power. To his credit, he gives daily updates which have been often (perhaps wilfully) overlooked by contemporary mainstream sources (unless they verge on the Newsbyte Sensationalist).

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:21 pm

    goodness, he’s made the huffpost again

    Tony Abbott, ‘Creepy’ Australian PM, Caught On Camera Winking As Sex-Line Grandma Talks:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/21/tony-abbott-australian-prime-minister-wink-sex-line_n_5363084.html?1400662403

  223. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:21 pm

    I read many of the books recommended here.

    In case you haven’t 😉

    This budget brought it back to me, in the hopes of not being overly melodramatic. Great movie too. In the most depressing way.

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6288.The_Road

  224. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:30 pm

    ‘Creepy’

    Oooh. Tony will have them. Nasty Anarchists.

  225. May 21, 2014 7:33 pm

    I enjoyed the movie, TomR.

    I didn’t know about the book…but I have a young adult offspring who devours books like that. I’ll be ordering it directly; it’s likely we’ll both read it.

    Cheers.

    * she read the entire Song of Ice & Fire back catalogue a couple of years ago. Reads well above her age.

    ** anyone know about The Last of Us? As far as the medium goes, certainly the most well crafted, emotive & mature story I’ve ‘played’.

  226. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:35 pm

    “*cough* manus island, all they need is a gas chamber”

    Oh, is that all, just a gas chamber? Just that one minor difference, then?

  227. May 21, 2014 7:40 pm

    It’s hard to resist Godwin…but it’s probably best to resist

  228. May 21, 2014 7:40 pm

    “Just that one minor difference, “

    Good point ToSY… They haven’t quite resorted to killing asylum seekers transferees (or have they?).

    Given that it’s just a tiny Island with a minimal population, has Morrison found who was responsible for the murder of that asylum seeker transferee….?

  229. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:42 pm

    I didn’t know about the book…

    The writing style is…unconventional, to say the least, but.. it works. My English teacher would have failed him miserably. Maybe there is still hope for me then lol

    anyone know about The Last of Us?

    My eldest got right into it, for a time, and my youngest really wanted to (bloody parents)

    I watched about a half hour youtube of the game play (I’m not big on games), but it was quite immersive. But, I love apocalyptic stories. aka Walking Dead, Falling Skies etc.

    Personally, I was never a fan of the Fire and Ice books, they were too disjointed for me to follow :(. Love the series though, they have fixed the timeline up for the Slowe of Us imo

  230. May 21, 2014 7:44 pm

    Here’s a book that should be read by all of those who cheaply describe things as ‘communist’…

    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/282108.Stalin

    Mayhaps they’d come away understanding the difference between a many faceted, not always concurrent, ideology & the cult of an egomaniacal dictator.

  231. Tom R permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:45 pm

    They haven’t quite resorted to killing

    What would a court call it if you forced a boat back onto a jungle island and leave the occupants to fend for them selves and who then subsequently died whilst attempting to cross a river seeking civilization?

    I’m sure there is a word.

  232. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:46 pm

    I’m pretty sure that splatter shows a good understanding of ‘what’s really going on’ in the halls of power. To his credit, he gives daily updates which have been often (perhaps wilfully) overlooked by contemporary mainstream sources (unless they verge on the Newsbyte Sensationalist)…

    Did I forget the 😉 ?

  233. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:48 pm

    Whether Stalin was a monster is irrelevant to whether Marxism is a failed ideology.

  234. May 21, 2014 7:51 pm

    @Tony Oh look …. a furry thing…

  235. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:52 pm

    A squirrel?

  236. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:55 pm

    😆

  237. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 21, 2014 7:58 pm

    “You’re so touchingly naive sometimes sb! “

    I’ve been fairly critical of both sides, especially as their misdeeds are publicised by inquiries. There is no joy in that.

    As to Clive I agree with this: “I’m quite honest about that. As long as he’s shaking things up, creating a problem for the liblab, it’s all good imo!”. In the short term at least.

  238. May 21, 2014 7:59 pm

    “The writing style is…unconventional, to say the least, but.. it works. My English teacher would have failed him miserably.”

    Probably would have failed Russell Hoban too then…but Riddley Walker is tremendous. There’s something to be said for ‘unconventional’ imo.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridley_Walker

    I think the detail & massive scope to be found in Ice & Fire is some of the most enrapturing material I’ve read. I tend to thoroughly enjoy any fiction (which I’ve only got back into in the last several years) that is immersive, bleak & somewhat steeped in gritty nastiness (surprise, surprise).
    I don’t know too many other 12-14yo’s who would wade through it; little lone let alone reread twice.
    The series (HBO) does about as much justice to the core material as could possibly be done in the format; I hate when it wildly deviates though.

    I remember Tim Dunlop discussing the His Dark Materials trilogy, primarily because the first movie got Hollywoodised up the arse & made ‘safe’.
    I didn’t get it at the time, but was referred to it many years later by my youngster. The books are great. I can certainly see why it was stomped on & precluded from becoming a trilogy…far too much nutrition for an enquiring mind, perhaps.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Dark_Materials#Controversies

  239. May 21, 2014 8:01 pm

    ”””””””’
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/billionaire-clive-palmer-cruises-marsden-electorate-logan-city-in-rolls-royce-during-bill-shorten-visit/story-fnihsrf2-1226924583702

    Even a friend-of-the-battler needs to be comfortable when visiting his,

    +subjects,
    +beneficiaries,
    +electors””””””””””””’

    wrong on all counts Tinfoil`osy, seems clive went to visit with a cancer patient, but don`t let that stop your enjoyment of Limited-News clap-trap.

    #Go Clive 🙂

  240. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 8:05 pm

    “seems clive went to visit with a cancer patient”

    Seems?

    Seems politicians kiss babies, too. Doesn’t make their motives pure.

  241. May 21, 2014 8:08 pm

    “Whether Stalin was a monster is irrelevant to whether Marxism is a failed ideology.”

    The point (the one you may have missed) being that it is a multifaceted ideology not simply comprised of bog standard socialists/Marxists/communists.

    Stalin loved wiping out millions of what you (may or may not) see as ‘communists’; ie his own ‘brand’…except their is a multitude of deviation within the brand.

    It’s all too easy to think in broad categories.

    If nothing else, the book is a well resourced (& meticulously referenced) story of earnest historical perspective.

  242. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 8:11 pm

    I don’t know too many other 12-14yo’s who would wade through it; little lone let alone reread twice.

    hahaha, very funny, a blast from the past!

  243. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 8:14 pm

    Mao starved millions of his own people, through starvation, forced labour, and executions.

    Marxism/Communism was a failed ideology, whenever and wherever it was tried, regardless of who was at the helm.

  244. May 21, 2014 8:18 pm

    ””””’
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/21/tony-abbotts-daughter-did-not-have-to-pay-for-60000-design-degree

    Leanne Whitehouse did not respond to questions about whether Frances Abbott was offered the scholarship(#$60,000) in accordance with the school’s policy, or how many scholarships were awarded each year.”””””””””

    more teabag graft, secret-commissions etc,

    mr-rabbits daughter `seems` to have received the `only` so-called scholarship EVER supplied by Leanne Whitehouse,

    John`W`s son got a cushy job in texas with big-oil, after we goose-stepped into iraq/afghan with teh-usa

    #corruption teabag style

  245. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 8:20 pm

    Seems politicians kiss babies, too. Doesn’t make their motives pure.

    “I know clive is very rich, but just because a person is rich doesn’t necessarily mean that he is pure of heart in all things.”

    I paraphrase from another time and place.

  246. May 21, 2014 8:23 pm

    “Marxism/Communism was a failed ideology, whenever and wherever it was tried, regardless of who was at the helm.”

    Of course…Trotsky, Lenin, Mao…the whole lot…were of a hive mind…gmafb.

    I’m no defender of Marxism. Some aspects of socialism carry merit. Universal merit, universal resonance which has fuck all to do with Karl Marx. I’ve never read anything written by the man personally.

    Y’all just use the ‘socialist’ catchphrase as a misleading, shotgun smear.

  247. May 21, 2014 8:26 pm

    Clive=Our Threat

    Gina=Our benefactor

    Bolt=Our way of making ourselves comfortable with the dissonant cognition…

  248. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 8:28 pm

    “Y’all just use the ‘socialist’ catchphrase as a misleading, shotgun smear.”

    Yeah, only in this conversation I’ve only mentioned Marxism and Communism. 😯

  249. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 8:29 pm

    Look, another squirrrell a possum.

  250. May 21, 2014 8:29 pm

    on #Clive ,Sorry Tinfoil`osy, disagree,

    Clive was sick to death of being ignored by the teabags, so left them, and went his own way, just as other before him have, there was no reason for Clive to stay with the teabags as a useless and powerless second fiddle, that`s the Nat`s job

  251. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 8:35 pm

    “Of course…Trotsky, Lenin, Mao…the whole lot…were of a hive mind…gmafb.”

    All Marxists, as it happens.

  252. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 8:38 pm

    “Clive was sick to death of being ignored by the teabags, so left them”

    Riiiight.

  253. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 8:56 pm

    Y’all just use the ‘socialist’ catchphrase as a misleading, shotgun smear.

    yes, they do toilet, fully agree, not that the winger’s smears have much credibility though, it comes across as hilarious, out of touch, mccarthyism.

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:01 pm

    I’m not at all fond of Clive. I’d prefer to see ALP, Liberals, Xenephon, Wilkie, Oakeshott, Windsor, Nationals all winning seats in front of him.

    He buys seats for footballing dills like Glen Lazarus, tries to promote the footballing dill Doug Hawkins into parliament. I think Palmer is half, if not fully, crazed.

  255. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:03 pm

    “Y’all just use the ‘socialist’ catchphrase as a misleading, shotgun smear.”

    Not sure why a not-a-leftist would care, anyway.

  256. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:13 pm

    *Mao starved killed millions of his own people

  257. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:23 pm

    me, I’m with banksy, I think aussies should start showing some anarchy, start to give a f*ck about something other than themselves. Loving the student protests, gives me hope that all is not lost. And the old folks are hopping mad, they will ruin abbott.

  258. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:27 pm

    bush, howard and blair, killed millions of other innocent people, is it worse if it’s your own?

  259. May 21, 2014 9:39 pm

    CLive needs his minions and he likes a robotic army of preferably blunt tools….. Check this out somebody… 🙄 can’t think who… changed Jacquie Lambi’s Wiki ..it took days for them to find it… 🙂

  260. Tony permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:40 pm

    “bush, howard and blair, killed millions of other innocent people, is it worse if it’s your own?”

    If you’re referring to the war in Iraq, they “killed” 137,607 innocent people, at the most.

    And, yes, it is far worse if a government kills its own people. A government’s first responsibility is to its country and its people. (This is not to say that all lives aren’t equally important, of course they are.)

  261. May 21, 2014 9:41 pm

    AO dont mention the war

  262. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 9:48 pm

    up to a little mischief i see ricky, your bucket album is a bit like web graffiti, noice!

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:11 pm

    AO dont mention the war

    can’t help it ricky, lest I forget.

    And, yes, it is far worse if a government kills its own people.

    That sounds like an argument from a moralising moraliser to me. A convenient cognitive dissonance when it comes to the crimes of their own [supposed goodies] vs crimes of ‘the others’ [baddies]. I’m sure that the ‘collateral damage’ can’t tell much difference between the two [eek, baddies & baddies].

    I’m quite sure that if push comes to shove and there were a civil uprising in this country, the government would not hesitate to kill and maim their own. The use of all state forces would be deployed. just look at what the corporate, military state does to dissenters, whistleblowers etc now plus the ever widening scope of treasonous or declared terrorist, illegal activities.

    How was the iraq war a responsibility of the people of australia?

  264. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:16 pm

    This is not to say that all lives aren’t equally important, of course they are…

    They can’t be equal if one is expendable. Obviously you take the view that your countrymen’s lives [not sure about apostrophe placement] are worth more than those of another country, even when there is no direct threat to your own country or it’s people.

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:18 pm

    CLive needs his minions and he likes a robotic army of preferably blunt tools…..

    blunt tools r us!

  266. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:24 pm

    back on topic 😛

  267. May 21, 2014 10:28 pm

    ”””””””If you’re referring to the war in Iraq, they “killed” 137,607 innocent people, at the most.””””’

    Sorry Tinfiol`osy, thats largely bullshit,

    teh-bush admin refused to `count` civilian casualties,

    you can also bet that there is all kinds of ways to `classify` in all kinds of different ways the

    `deaths caused by teh-usa wars` eg,refugees killed/dying in transit

    just as they don`t count their own soldiers who suicided after vietnam, iraq/afghan, you can double the `official` numbers #teabags

  268. May 21, 2014 10:30 pm

    #”in transit”’ as in verses ””on battle-field””

  269. May 21, 2014 10:33 pm

    Can’t quite put my finger on why…but this bit made me think of sit, roll over, go-right-back, speak Kneel…

    “It’s also not what we say but often how we say it that gives our four-legged friends a clue as to what we mean. For example, if you start reading the back of a cereal box to your dog in a deep cranky voice, chances are it will feel intimidated and back off. While if you read the exact same box in a cheery voice, it will jump all over you in excitement.”

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/your-dog-can-understand-up-to-160-words/story-fnjwkt0b-1226923853327

  270. May 21, 2014 10:33 pm

    ”””We’re also getting an Aldi apparently.”””’

    l predict your aldi`s will open in holden-hill and/or elizabeth, places where `work-force` has taken a hit, job-loss etc

  271. May 21, 2014 10:34 pm

    pmsl

  272. May 21, 2014 10:43 pm

    ””””””””More concerning to survey respondents, however, is what will happen to their household budgets once the Commonwealth’s planned tax increases and spending cuts take effect.

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-21/consumer-sentiment-slumps-after-federal-budget/5467056
    ”””””””””

    yeah reb, add in the 80,000 slated job-loss, mr-rabbit choppin` public servants, we will soon have margie osmond doin the rounds on teh-media, screechin`on behalf of the retail-monsters, this is just the beginning.

  273. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 10:51 pm

    Can’t quite put my finger on why…but this bit made me think of sit, roll over, go-right-back, speak Kneel…

    this makes me think of neil

    ideology vs good economic management

    http://petermartin2001.wordpress.com/2014/05/13/when-joe-says-he-wants-a-surplus-he-means-for-government-but-a-deficit-for-everyone-else/

    woof woof

  274. May 21, 2014 10:56 pm

    ””””hitler and stalin were total opposites, one was far left [stalin] and one far right [hitler],””””TRUE

    .

    ”””””’no matter how you wingnuts try to revise history to clear yourselves of your jackboot fascist history/shame it will always be owned and embraced by you.
    The liberal party today, still has it’s pro hitler/nazi connections.”””””””

    both hitler and stalin relied on being able to herd devout wingnuts and useful imbeciles to their `cause`, mr-rabbit has modeled his leadership style along similar lines,

    #our teabags know this, and when we remind them of this they get tetley tetchy

  275. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 21, 2014 11:01 pm

    Leaked Documents Cast Doubt On Abbott’s $60k Scholarship Claims:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/21/documents-cast-doubt-abbotts-60k-scholarship-claims

    …Assurances by the Prime Minister that a $60,000 scholarship awarded to his daughter Frances on the basis of merit have been contradicted by testimony and documents obtained by New Matilda.

    And in breaking developments, the Australian Parliament’s Registrar of Members’ Interests has tonight also contradicted the Prime Minister over an explanation he provided earlier today about why he did not publicly disclose his daughter received the scholarship…

  276. May 21, 2014 11:06 pm

    ””””””””’I’m not at all fond of Clive. I’d prefer to see ALP, Liberals, Xenephon, Wilkie, #Oakeshott, #Windsor, Nationals all winning seats in front of him.””””””

    welcome to life outside the cubicle,

    oakshott/windsor, thats strange, you where always spiteful toward them in your comments when they were in parliament,

    life has a way of biting you on the arse, be careful of what you wish for,

    your wish may actually be granted

  277. May 21, 2014 11:27 pm

    ”””maintain a healthy partisan contempt for most politicians”””

    ”””it just saves time.”””

    #Ditto. lt really is the only sane fixed position to take.

    ”””””’good to see people actually cattle prodded from the apathy of lazy indifference to take action””””’

    #yeah agree, but would also point out, a lot of people are `time-poor` these days too, not necessarily `indifferent` or `lazy`, and remember teabag-media is no help to them in unpacking the Lobbyist bullshit

  278. May 21, 2014 11:52 pm

    ”””””””””’Communism was a failed ideology, whenever and wherever it was tried, regardless of who was at the helm.””””””””’

    Tinfoil`osy, Let`s pretend there is no such place as China.

  279. May 22, 2014 12:04 am

    ”””””””””’the source told NM.
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/21/documents-cast-doubt-abbotts-60k-scholarship-claims

    “Leanne-whitehouse got the Chairman of the Board [Taylor] to tell [Frances-abbott] she had the offer of a scholarship.”

    A few years later, in the run-up to the 2013 federal election, Ms Whitehouse became increasingly excited at the prospect of a Liberal win, the staffer said.

    “She said to me something like, ‘Do you know what this could mean to Whitehouse if [Abbott] gets in?””””””””””””

    looks like whitehouse was expecting `kickback` to me,

    l wonder if mr-rabbit has cut any deals with whitehouse.

  280. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 12:09 am

    Who is advocating for communism?

    Why do we keep debating communism as if it’s relevant to people here?

    An opposing viewpoint to a rightwinger, does not a communist make.

  281. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 12:13 am

    looks like whitehouse was expecting `kickback` to me,
    l wonder if mr-rabbit has cut any deals with whitehouse.

    Yes, some nice taxpayer funding for the private institution, you don’t give away $60,000 for nothing. Perhaps some basking in reflected glory of having the daughter of a PM to show off about.

  282. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:32 am

    ‘So, the new jobs (which apparently he doesn’t think will reach his lofty pre-election pledges, or Labors actual figures (both the same btw)) will be for immigrants, not locals?

    ‘Nice. Can’t remember that being in brochure’.

    No, its essentially a pipe dream which cannot be talked about for obvious reasons. The bullet train network will be built by a coolie workforce (Chinese State run business) and presumably Australians will build the new cities on award wages.

    This is only speculation.

  283. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:43 am

    This is only speculation.

    What part of your blogging isn’t?

    Oh, the outright lying parts 😯

  284. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:46 am

    ‘I spent a week there one afternoon.’

    Priceless.

    Its the sort of place you go for a holiday because you want to make it seem longer.

  285. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:48 am

    ‘What part of your blogging isn’t?’

    None, I’m only interested in the nooze before it ‘appens.

  286. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 8:00 am

    Yes, some nice taxpayer funding for the private institution, you don’t give away $60,000 for nothing.

    To me, the libs complete inability to be across their budget makes it look more and more like they weren’t the actual architects of it. We have had several years of the big end of town, in miners, big oil and ltd news (to name a few) running a concerted campaign against the former Government both out in the open and also under the cover of the libs. There was going to be a reckoning, a paying back of debts, and this is it.

    I don’t rate the libs as stupid, in fact, they are fiendishly clever, and definitely not stupid enough to pull something like this, without being pushed from elsewhere to so. The vested interests know this is their one big shot, and, should the libs not get back in, not really their problem. The fallout is for the libs to work out, the interests want their pay day, and they all want it now.

    It really is the only feasible reason this budget would be so weighted to the big end of town, and at the same time, so misunderstood by it’s facilitators.

    Either that, or the entire party has gone stark raving mad.

  287. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 8:13 am

    ‘Tinfoil`osy, Let`s pretend there is no such place as China.’

    The next Five Year Plan should give us a clearer picture on how they intend taking over the world.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-04/17/c_133271183.htm

  288. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 8:16 am

    Although, going on the ltdnews papers today, murdoch appears to be running a rear guard action of sorts.

  289. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 8:41 am

    With so many against the Budget it’s a rear guard action, but I’m confident hate media will come up trumps.

  290. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:01 am

    China is ‘communist’?

    Does anyone seriously think they are still following that path, or progressively moving towards a market economy?

  291. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:02 am

    I’m confident hate media will come up trumps.

    I get the feeling you are hoping they do.

  292. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:11 am

    China have always taken ideologies from elsewhere and modified them to suit their needs. They practice what looks like a very loose form of “communism”, but that might be because we are more used to the more rigid form adopted by the former USSR.

    Everything in China is a blend, and their communism is no different, with a lot of free market capitalism driving it.

    China is a world of greys, that can create a vast array of colours and textures.

    But to them, I get the feeling it is all black and white ❓

  293. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:24 am

    ‘Tinfoil`osy, Let`s pretend there is no such place as China.’

    China today, despite its rapid industrialisation, is far from the Communist Utopia you seem to think. Here are just a few links for your edification. .

    Censorship
    Pollution
    Forced relocation
    Forced abortions
    Organ harvesting
    Malteratment of mental patients
    Political prisoners
    Land confiscation
    Human Rights in general

    Need I go on?

  294. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:26 am

    (Reb, can you please retrieve a comment from the spaminator. It’s probably in there because of the number of links.)

  295. May 22, 2014 9:28 am

    Freed! 🙂

  296. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:35 am

    ‘Does anyone seriously think they are still following that path, or progressively moving towards a market economy?’

    They are progressively moving towards a market economy, but 97% of their internal infrastructure was built by the state run organisations. Check out their rail building exercise in Africa.

  297. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:40 am

    “Sorry Tinfiol`osy, thats largely bullshit,”

    Those figures for the number of violent civilian deaths come from Iraq Body Count. Care to point out where their methods are wrong?

  298. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:43 am

    “China is ‘communist’?”

    It used to be. Back in the day when its collectivist policies murdered over 30 million people.

    Fortunately, Deng Xiaoping had the sense to look around and observe that market economies produce benefits that socialism never has and never will.

    China is moving to a market economy while still maintaining vestiges of the totalitarian trappings of communism.

    The reason 300 million Chinese have been lifted out of dire poverty is the operation of the market. There is less equality in China now but the people are better off. This causes leftist heads to explode although I doubt they are capable of learning anything from it. There are none so stupid as those besotted by their own moral virtue.

    Cuba is still communist, being ruled by the Castro family for the last half century according to communist principles. Despite the wet dreams of western wankers it is miserable place to live for all but the ruling elite.

    Communism is still relevant as a paradigm case. It is the purest form of leftism. It remains relevant because communist dead-enders like Lee Rhiannon and entryist Trots like Adam Bandt still wield political power in parliament. On the sidelines, most of the violent protests are confected by communist groups like Socialist Alternative.

    Obviously those with an interest in pushing a leftist agenda have a vested interest in everybody forgetting about communism. They are shit scared people might learn something from the lessons of history.

  299. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:45 am

    And before you bang on about deaths of combatants, my answer was in response to AO’s claim that “bush, howard and blair, killed millions of other innocent people”.

  300. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:48 am

    May 21, 2014 10:24 pm

    back on topic KL!

    Incompetent? Stupid? Liars? Deceitful? Amateurs? Or just Private School Bullies full of vengeful ideology and ignorance of a world they have never lived in?

    Or just a combination of – all of the above?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/who-pays-the-7-gp-fee-the-prime-minister-and-the-treasurer-dont-understand-their-own-policy/story-fncynjr2-1226926025926

    Whatever, they need to go … either at the Liberal Party’s own hands or by Double Dissolution …

    Bring the Ballot Boxes Back !

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Feel better now?

    Oh! Yeah! Absofknlutely!

    =============================

    Marxism/Communism was a failed ideology, whenever and wherever it was tried, regardless of who was at the helm.

    As was fascism and the divine right of kings … and if you look closely at “democracy” it too is being nibbled away by the same (well similar) Robber Barons as they plunder the capitalist system with greed and corruption …

    Don’t blame the systems blame the arseholes who float to the top!

    Not sure why a not-a-leftist would care, anyway.

    Because the statement is not balanced and distorts the truth … common among those who defend the current Australian tory government program of using an imbalance of democratic power for suppression and control of the weak, poor, young, sick, old and frail … what a great system that is!

  301. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:51 am

    ‘I get the feeling you are hoping they do.’

    No, they are just presenting a different slant which is highly commendable.

  302. Tony permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:53 am

    “Obviously you take the view that your countrymen’s lives [not sure about apostrophe placement] are worth more than those of another country” ~ AO

    How is it “obvious”, in light of the fact I’d just said: ‘This is not to say that all lives aren’t equally important, of course they are’?

  303. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 9:55 am

    ‘Need I go on?’

    ** chuckle **

  304. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:01 am

    “As was fascism and the divine right of kings … and if you look closely at “democracy” it too is being nibbled away by the same (well similar) Robber Barons as they plunder the capitalist system with greed and corruption …

    Don’t blame the systems blame the arseholes who float to the top!

    Absolutely right. I would only add that democracy is also being undermined from the left. sometimes by frontal assault such as the attempt to cnesor the press, sometimes indirectly such as by Unionland nepotism.

    My main gripe is not so much with programs to help people in dire need so much as the inability of the left (that doesn’t include you TB) to put any real proposal to generate the wealth necessary to fund the spending. The limit to government spending is the ability of the private sector to produce profits which can be taxed. Proponents of expanding government spending should be ignored unless they also come with proposals to increase business profits for that is where every cent the government spends ultimately comes from.

  305. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:02 am

    No, they are just presenting a different slant

    Or, in the common vernacular, BULLSHITTING

    No wonder you approve.

  306. May 22, 2014 10:20 am

    Why do we keep debating communism as if it’s relevant to people here?
    An opposing viewpoint to a right winger, does not a communist make.

    That’s the go to teabag phrase when confronted by factual truth and they have nothing but parroted,regurgitated, rhetorical remediated knob cheese…..yeah.. yeah “you’re a commo” Its standard Squeal from Sydney stuff (MIA due to indefensible futile flag waving squirm as he looks at his dud ticket stub and watches the circus tent burn)

    I mean move on.. communism in every flavor was destined to failure. Free market capitalism and consumerism is the new communism, just look at all those hipsters outside the apple stores in Mao caps queuing for the latest ithingy made in not so free market commo sweatshops…. Oh the irony right?…..

    I wanna see a sushi bar in an RSL with the flame in the corner, now that would be cool 🙂
    Now the new up and coming kiddies are even confused about the evolving face of socialism, which politically illiterate wannabee neocons call communism 🙂

    Abbott is melting…. ICAC loves the fiberals
    http://www.afr.com/p/national/icac_probe_inches_closer_to_abbott_tlnRTpGLPgO4FzI08Ha5BO

  307. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:26 am

    More than 100,000 young people a year will be forced to survive without unemployment payments for at least six months under the Abbott government’s controversial welfare changes.
    A breakdown of the Abbott government’s own budget figures, provided to Fairfax Media, reveals it expects nearly 110,000 young people a year to be without work for six months and to be then moved on to a new work for the dole program.
    Under the new rules, unemployed people under 30 will have to wait six months before receiving benefits. They would then undertake six months of work for the dole and be paid to do so. If they fail to find work or study during that period they would then face another six months without payments.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/more-than-100000-young-unemployed-to-go-without-benefits-20140521-38ovo.html#ixzz32OoqMd1F

    The libs have just halved the payments for the long term unemployed

    Watch the crime rate soar.

    This also when their own predictions foresee a rise in unemployment. In other words, they are knowingly allowing current workers to be forced into unemployment lines, without any pay at all.

  308. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:32 am

    How is it “obvious”, in light of the fact I’d just said: ‘This is not to say that all lives aren’t equally important, of course they are’?

    How can it be that all lives are equally important, if one is held in higher value?

    in the same breath, you say:

    And, yes, it is far worse if a government kills its own people.

    It is not a logical stance imo, you are basically saying that all lives are of equal value, but some are more equal than others.

    “…All the habits of Man are evil. And, above all, no animal must ever tyrannise over his own kind. Weak or strong, clever or simple, we are all brothers. No animal must ever kill any other animal. All animals are equal…”

    later, as the animals become humanised:

    “…All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others…”, [animal farm] .

    I guess that fits with your entire worldview/ideology and where you and I would part company.

  309. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:35 am

    The poorest 20 per cent of Australian families will pay $1.1 billion more into government coffers than the richest households as a result of the budget, highlighting the huge inequity in the government’s four-year blueprint for fiscal repair.
    New analysis from the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling (NATSEM) has crystallised how heavily the burden of budget consolidation has fallen on those less well-off, especially if they have school-age children.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/poorest-families-pay-most-in-budget-20140521-38p5m.html#ixzz32OrxEcx9

    CLASS WARFARE!! Where have I heard that before?

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:47 am

    TR, It really is the only feasible reason this budget would be so weighted to the big end of town, and at the same time, so misunderstood by it’s facilitators.

    Discussing exactly the same theory (ies) with The Minister last night …

    The contradictions are just astounding particularly, in education (every level), in health and in pension changes …

    As for the top end – the tax for over $180k is limited and minimal (loophole already found) … business gets a 1.5% gain … and the pollies wage freeze had already been mooted by the tribunal …

    No changes to negative gearing or family trusts … no increase in income tax but a swelling of “a need for increase” in the GST – the latter will impact on those with little or no disposable income … along with the increase in fuel excise that will also increase the costs of goods … no doubt a sloppy way of taking advantage of the courier boom in internet deliveries …

    Absolute hit and/or miss approach to stuffing up an economy … consumer confidence is way down (The Business last night) …

    Self fulfilling prophecy … much?

  311. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:48 am

    ‘Or, in the common vernacular, BULLSHITTING’

    News is still news even with a slant, check out the Guardian and you’ll see what I mean.

    Slanting is permissible, in the same way that omitting stories is also legitimate. Editor’s choice.

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:56 am

    Abbott is melting…. ICAC loves the fiberals

    But wasn’t the ICAC supposed to net, Gillard? Or was that one of the RC?

    As for Queensland … and corruption – seems Sir Noddy really is a fan of Joe Bjelke Peterson …

    If the laws are passed, bipartisan approval would no longer be required when selecting a CMC chairperson and other senior appointments.

    Labor and independent MPs on the parliamentary committee say the changes trash the legacy of the Fitzgerald inquiry into corruption and should be voted down.

    “This debacle will adversely affect Queenslanders and ultimately end in tears for the Government, which has staked our future and its future on the whims of a few inexperienced, arrogant fools who seem unaware of the extent of their own ignorance,” Mr Fitzgerald wrote in an email to the ABC.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-01/tony-fitzgerald-says-newman-government-inexperienced-arrogant/5422726

    Still, on the positive side adult voters who elected these childish bunch of twats will have a little more experience when they put pencil to paper (always been suspicious of the pencil!) at the ballot box next time …

  313. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 22, 2014 10:58 am

    “No changes to negative gearing or family trusts … “

    Closing these loopholes is an obvious and logical move, especially when the marketing pitch is to share the pain. Much as I would like to believe the government is being economically responsible, the evidence isn’t htere to make the case. I really hope I’m wrong on this.

  314. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:09 am

    loophole already found

    Yes, and you wonder if the loophole is there deliberately? Nah, that couldn’t be 😉

    And the fact that this is Temporary, whereas the hit on everyone else is a Permanent feature.

    especially when the marketing pitch is to share the pain.

    That is what is so bewildering. For them to stand up and say We Are All Paying, when a cursory glance at the types of decisions made show quite blatantly this is not the case. And to stand there and deny that things were said before the election when their are numerous examples, shown to them, and then still denied.

    The ignorance and arrogance displayed is blindingly willful. It really does make you wonder at the sanity within.

    Add to that the duplicitous nature of the Budget Emergency, and ease with which that lie is exposed.

    My main query is how can ANYONE defend it at all?

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:10 am

    CLASS WARFARE!! Where have I heard that before?

    Mmmmm … one wonders what the Liberal Party (or its new controllers) is really up to …

    I have never attended a protest march in my life (not even during the VN war) … there is always a first time!

  316. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:11 am

    Slanting is permissible, in the same way that omitting stories is also legitimate. Editor’s choice.

    I think I have a possible answer to my main query above. It also lends itself to the sanity issue I mentioned 😯

  317. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:14 am

    I have never attended a protest march in my life (not even during the VN war) … there is always a first time!

    GetUp! and Get Shouty you little Anarchist, it seems to be current rage 🙂

    Mind you, without the support of shockjocks and mining magnates, it really doesn’t hold any relevance (quite obviously) 😉

  318. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:19 am

    You know – even I didn’t think the Libs would turn out to be worse than the ALP!

    Incredibly naïve and incompet …

  319. May 22, 2014 11:20 am

    “GetUp! and Get Shouty you little Anarchist”

    LOL!

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:20 am

    and incompet

    LOL!!!! Incompetent!

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:22 am

    “GetUp! and Get Shouty you little Anarchist”

    LOL! Waddya mean … fkn little! 🙂

  322. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:23 am
  323. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:24 am
  324. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:25 am

    Waddya mean … fkn little!

    I was sure how deep your anarchy ran 😉

  325. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 11:28 am

    Obviously those with an interest in pushing a leftist agenda have a vested interest in everybody forgetting about communism. They are shit scared people might learn something from the lessons of history.

    That would be utter BS. it’s just not relevant to us and no amount of screeching communist at people will make them so. How come you don’t scream social democrat at people?? That would be more relevant, at least to me. All the communist debate does is immediately take it to the extremes [as shown by the debate above].
    History is very important which is why the right is so desperate to disown hitler and the comparison with their own fascist regimes.

    My main gripe is not so much with programs to help people in dire need so much as the inability of the left (that doesn’t include you TB) to put any real proposal to generate the wealth necessary to fund the spending.

    That’s not true, we’ve been putting forward suggestions [as have many media commentators] ever since the budget was brought down. Are the many issues like tax reform, super reform, negative gearing, family trusts etc, not real? People aren’t stupid, they know that the poor, the sick and the elderly shouldn’t be sacrificed when there is loads of taxpayer funding directed to the wealthy and the wealthy get more out of our tax system [miners, finance industries, developers etc]

    All we need is a government prepared to do the heavy lifting.

    A good article:

    Congratulations Essendon for using the power of sport to change things for the better

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/congratulations-essendon-for-using-the-power-of-sport-to-change-things-for-the-better-20140521-zrjy2.html#ixzz32OwImiCO

  326. May 22, 2014 12:06 pm

    But wasn’t the ICAC supposed to net, Gillard? Or was that one of the RC?

    And Rudd and Garrett and Swan, A grange idea turned out to be a bottle of weak piss with a grape seed in it.

    Yeah the Fiberal show trials were supposed to be the big fiberal fireworks show to herald the new age budget of heavy gifting….However as always, the liberals promised much but delivered smoke and fizzers as they inadvertently pointed the ball shooters at themselves. Then Hokey dropped his stogie in the box as there plans and people all went up in flames all the while blaming Labor.shouting “trust us” “mandate” “emergency”…. providing a much better show indeed 🙂

  327. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 12:18 pm

    peter dutton [brisbane radio this am] says there is a built in penalty to gp’s if they don’t bulk bill, he also confirmed that people will be up for additional co-payments for scripts, pathology and radiology, each time they are Rx by the Dr. And none of the revenue will go into medicare, all to the new research program.
    B/billing is at dr discretion, but they will suffer a financial loss if they do.

    All I can say is that it makes a lie out of their constant refrain of “medicare is unsustainable” which is what dutton started the brisbane radio segment saying.Iif medicare needs the taxpayer to contribute privately as well as through their tax contributions, why isn’t the money going back into funding hospitals and health care?

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 12:20 pm

    Here’s the news.com.au photo …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/i-shouldnt-have-done-it-karl-tony-abbott-admits-yesterdays-wink-was-a-mistake/story-fn84fgcm-1226926448003

    Just a question for the photoshop experts here … but gee … I could do that with CorelDraw Photopaint or even the free Paint …

    Try winking with a straight mouth …

    Just sayin’ …

  329. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 12:24 pm

    And now its Abbott’s “cheeky” wink … FMD! Send in the clowns … I smell a Murdoch touch … up …

    And desperate to find something positive …

    http://www.news.com.au/

    Chronic diseases that could be stamped out through the Medical Research Future Fund proposed in Federal Budget 2014

    That should be funded by a Business Super Profits Tax – not by sick children!

  330. May 22, 2014 12:40 pm

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott has described the budget as a “fire brigade” putting out a fiscal fire…

    “You see, we had a fire, and the budget is the fire brigade. And sure, sometimes the fire brigade knocks over a few fences in order to put out the fire. But if you’ve got a fire you’ve got to put it out,” he told 774 ABC Melbourne’s Jon Faine.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-21/tony-abbott-describes-budget-as-fire-brigade/5467546

    #ADULTGOVT

  331. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 12:44 pm

    Tinkler @ICAC the art of good cop bad cop:
    http://nofibs.com.au/2014/05/20/tinkler-icac-art-good-bad-cops-boeufblogginon/

    ICAC’s Operation Spicer: What happens next:
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icacs-operation-spicer-what-happens-next-20140520-zriws.html

    Somehow, I don’t think the DPP will find any ‘public interest’ in prosecuting those appearing in ICAC. Why is it so?

  332. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 1:08 pm

    http://m.smh.com.au/comment/no-way-tony-abbott-can-now-budget-for-a-second-term-20140521-zrjie.html

  333. May 22, 2014 1:16 pm

    From Kittylitter’s link…

    “Economists expect that the fall in real wages will flow through to hit the economy as already nervous households further slash spending, and consumer confidence has fallen at its fastest rate since before the global financial crisis.”

    It’s just marvellous isn’t it.

    In the space of a few short months, the Abbott govt has fucked our relationship with Indonesia, trashed our Human Rights reputation around the globe and now fucked the economy well and truly.

    Meanwhile the PM’s roling around winking at DJs and talking about fire trucks.

    Was there ever such a shambolic bunch of conceited idiotic amateurs??!!

  334. May 22, 2014 1:21 pm

    Today there is a concerted attack by News Ltd in the Telegraph on people with disability spouting some type of bizarre correlation between dead diggers and dole bludgers? What the hell is that about? Talk about lowest common denominator, sensationalist news quackery. This thinly veiled attempt to prosecute the governments budget of heavy gifting is both Disgraceful and shamefully unAustralian. This profane ideologist propaganda from a Yank totalitarian robber Barron comes from Murdoch.. Mr 800 million in tax evasion preaching morality.. Such transparent shameful hypocrisy.

    This shit must stop..it just must, its unhealthy for society,to be demonising those of disability to sell papers and ideology. Such manufactured faux outrage is indefensibly immoral.

    Going hard here

    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-disability-support-pensioners-now-outnumber-australias-total-war-wounded-by-more-than-44000/story-fncynjr2-1226926318057

    then again..
    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/the-nation-cant-carry-this-unfair-burden/story-fni0cwl5-1226926154246

    and here

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/a-million-could-be-relying-on-a-handout-it-just-doesnt-add-up/story-fni0cx12-1226926307970

  335. May 22, 2014 1:30 pm

    “Today there is a concerted attack by News Ltd in the Telegraph on people with disability spouting some type of bizarre correlation between dead diggers and dole bludgers”

    Yeah, it’s diabolical but at least shows which team the Daily Terror barracks for and it’s not the poor or elderly.

  336. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 1:50 pm

    Its no secret the Murdocracy barracks for the Coalition, in the same way Fairfax does the bidding of the left. This is good for democracy.

  337. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 22, 2014 1:51 pm

    On one hand…
    • I’m not opposed to pension age change/increase, it is inevitable.
    • I’m quite ok with the $7 Medicare payment, and I’m not even particularly fussed whether it is allocated to medical research or general revenue. “Free” services aren’t valued.
    • I’m supportive of offloading some pen pushing public servants, who regard Tim Tams as a perk of the job.

    On the other hand…
    • I can’t stand the ever increasing trend to put students into higher debt levels before they even get a job.
    • I can’t even begin to comprehend why any government would think it is reasonable to have a 29 year old (say with a mortgage and a couple of kids) wait 6 months to collect unemployment benefits. That is simply outrageous.

  338. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 1:52 pm

    Meanwhile the PM’s roling around winking at DJs and talking about fire trucks…

    Surely there comes a time when “the blokes” just have to stop excusing his behaviour as “he’s just one of us, this is how a real bloke behaves” and loving him in the trenches fighting the good fight for the rich old white guys who rule the world and those fkn feminazis.

    BBC News: Abbott and the wink
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27498215

  339. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 1:58 pm

    Its no secret the Murdocracy barracks for the Coalition, in the same way Fairfax does the bidding of the left. This is good for democracy.

    FFS 🙄

    no concern over the disgraceful misrepresentation of people with disabilities, just a quip about media bias in action? media bias, news misinformation and propaganda is NOT good for democracy.

  340. May 22, 2014 2:01 pm

    “This is good for democracy.”

    Is it fuck. 🙄

  341. May 22, 2014 2:03 pm

    “I’m not opposed to pension age change/increase, it is inevitable.”

    Perhaps…

    HOWEVER, Smokin’ Joe is now talking raising the preservation age for superannuation entitlements to 70 as well.

    That’s fkn outrageous!!

  342. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:17 pm

    I’m quite ok with the $7 Medicare payment, and I’m not even particularly fussed whether it is allocated to medical research or general revenue. “Free” services aren’t valued.

    We’ve been making co-payments to all health services for decades, as well as paying the levy, not free at all. Seems to me that only the pensioners & health card holders and the very wealthy get bulk billing [eg hockey’s postcode]. I’ve never received it in my life. Where do you have to live to get all the freebies?

    HOWEVER, Smokin’ Joe is now talking raising the preservation age for superannuation entitlements to 70 as well.

    well, we’ll have to be working to get the employer’s corporate private health insurance scheme. By that age we’ll be at the dr every week and those meds aren’t cheap, especially with the FTA’s that we grovel to sign. US style healthcare, here we come!

    I am very concerned that the chronically ill and the elderly will stop taking some medications if they can’t afford their script & meds. Potential for some real problems, even deaths, certainly more hospital admissions.

  343. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:31 pm

    ‘…media bias, news misinformation and propaganda is NOT good for democracy.’

    Hockey is suing Fairfax for defamation and should win. There is nothing wrong with different points of view in a democracy, you have to read between the lines.

    Aunty dresses on the left.

  344. May 22, 2014 2:37 pm

    This is good for democracy.

    Nice impersonation of personification of imbacillic stupidity

    I’m quite ok with the $7 Medicare payment,

    Maybe you personally Tom.. but I take it you’re not on a pension and own your own home, nor paying rent… spare a thought for those of lesser means living week to week and already stretched, to which he impact is significant.

    I’m supportive of offloading some pen pushing public servants, who regard Tim Tams as a perk of the job

    Tom did you write that piece in today’s terrorgraph,? if not you should punt for a gig there with such a flair for nefarious portrayals of evil administrators of the stuff the fiberals hate…, like legal services, health, emergency services, information, social support and such… I don’t know how they gt the time to work in between Tim Tams 🙄

    After all if the fiberals just ignore anyyone under 30 and those with disability… they will just disappear right? then we wont need any public services at all because the free market knows best…. Its all there in the methodology of Audit.. Tony Shepard knows all.. he just does..

  345. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:40 pm

    There is nothing wrong with different points of view in a democracy

    That’s not the same thing as having a biased media outlet

    Kench Allenby: Hello, Miss Jackson. Didn’t mean to scare you.
    Linda Jackson: Mr. Allenby, I wasn’t expecting you to…
    Kench Allenby: Yeah, no, I know. Neither was I. But then I heard about this little story that Ron Burgundy and Brian Fantana are running. You see, some of the planes from my airline have had parts falling off them lately. Is it a problem? Yeah. Is it being fixed? I don’t know, probably. But if that story runs, then Koala stock will plummet.
    Linda Jackson: We can’t just pull the story, that would be unethical.
    Kench Allenby: We own the news. We can do whatever we want, that’s one of the perks. It’s called “synergy.” One company working with another.
    [holding up his glass]
    Kench Allenby: To synergy.

    http://www.moviequotesandmore.com/anchorman-2-quotes-1.html

  346. May 22, 2014 2:49 pm

    Hey Reb did you ban squeal? or is he just cowering under his bed, trembling in the fetal position sucking a thumb, clutching a framed Howard portrait chanting ….mandate mandate mandate catatonic from the horror of the budget of indefensible fucktardery… 🙂

  347. Tom R permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:54 pm

    Hey Reb did you ban squeal? or is he just cowering under his bed,

    Probably still trying to find the little balls from the broken abacus he trashed trying to balance this budget with its promises

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:55 pm

    “I’m not opposed to pension age change/increase, it is inevitable.”

    You will … the aches and pains will creep up a lot quicker than you realise … and all those little bumps and strains you experience now on the surfboard will come back to haunt you one by one and some …*

    … and by our calculations our income will decrease at least $800 pa … I feel sorry for the poor bastards who have nothing BUT the pension and have probably worked harder all their lives than any shiny arses in Canberra …

    * how do I know? Well, apart from my age 🙂 I started my career as motor mech … lifting transmissions and diffs in and out of cars by hand

    Never judge a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes.

  349. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 2:57 pm

    Hockey is suing Fairfax for defamation and should win.

    Says who?

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 3:01 pm

    Probably still trying to find the little balls

    Ha … that explains the popping noises everywhere … those Liberal Party Cra’ked Crystal Balls are simply exploding with too much overload!

  351. May 22, 2014 3:08 pm

    “Hey Reb did you ban squeal? “

    Nope..

    He’s probably trying to figure how to defend the “fire truck” analogy after the winkgate furore…

  352. May 22, 2014 3:21 pm

    You assume They have balls the Minister for Vaginal representation has no plumbs..he proved that today by not attending Deakin… it must be that time of the month..

  353. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 3:36 pm

    …In the space of a few short months, the Abbott govt has fucked our relationship with Indonesia, trashed our Human Rights reputation around the globe and now fucked the economy well and truly…

    the europeans think he’s a dickhead too

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/euro-ambassadors-shocked-australias-anti-climate-stance-89032

    …The ambassadors, speaking at a function at ANU, said they were “surprised” and “shocked” that Australia was seeking to remove a carbon price and a market mechanism, and was not including environment issues on the G20 conference it was hosting later this year.

    sven-olof“I’m amazed a that a Liberal government does not choose a market mechanism to regulate emissions,” the Swedish ambassador Sven-Olof Petersson (pictured) said. “I think that is really shocking.”…

    …The international community is also frustrated that Australia has refused to include climate change and other environmental concerns on the G20 agenda, apparently because Prime Minister Tony Abbott wants to keep the final communiqué “simple” and worries that climate change is too complicated…

    Why don’t they boycott the G20, show some ticker, bugger diplomacy.

    eedjit

    retweets are not my personal opinion 😉

  354. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 4:06 pm

    OFF TOPIC BUT IMPORTANT

    eBAY USERS

    eBay was hacked earlier this year and eBay is asking you to change your password …

  355. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 4:07 pm

    winkgate

    LOL! 🙂

  356. May 22, 2014 4:17 pm

    winkgate.. kak 🙂

  357. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 4:29 pm

    ‘That’s not the same thing as having a biased media outlet’

    Fairfax is biased.

  358. May 22, 2014 5:38 pm

    That’s not the same thing as having a biased media mind that resembles an outlet’ omelette

    Fairfax Egg is biased. and delusional

  359. May 22, 2014 5:46 pm

    I’ll show you biased and this is not good for democracy anywhere.. this is deplorable , lazy w and despicable…

  360. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 5:54 pm

    From that link.

    ‘Online rumours are particularly pervasive in China, where traditional media is heavily regulated by the government and public trust in the media is low.’

    Democracy craves diversity of opinion.

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:11 pm

    Under the imperial yoke.

    What you don’t seem to understand is that this is exactly what the Federal Liberal Government (the Nationals simply don’t exist except as “numbers” and are led by a moron) and Queensland’s LNP (led by a developers puppet) are actually doing to our country … insidiously, covertly until they have people by the balls and they go SHIT! … the same way that a certain Austrian chappie did to Germany in the 1930’s (don’t want to offend ToSY) …

  362. egg permalink
    May 22, 2014 6:19 pm

    As long as we have diversity of news and opinion our democracy is safe.

  363. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 22, 2014 7:21 pm

    This is good for democracy…
    …Democracy craves diversity of opinion…

    I think you’re talking rubbish [again]. You just parrot glib phrases and overlook really important and basic fundamentals of media and democracy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_democracy

  364. May 22, 2014 7:27 pm

    The AMA has weighed in on Joe Hockey’s proposed changes Australia’s health services

    The Allergists voted to scratch them, but the
    Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.

    The Gastroenterologists had a sort of a gut feeling about it, but the
    Neurologists thought he had a lot of nerve.

    The Obstetricians felt he was labouring under a misconception.
    Ophthalmologists considered the ideas short-sighted.

    Pathologists yelled, “Over my dead body!” while the
    Paediatricians said, “Oh, Grow up!”

    The Psychiatrists thought the ideas were madness, while the
    Radiologists could see right through them.

    The Surgeons were fed up with the cuts and decided to wash their hands of
    the whole thing.

    The ENT specialists didn’t swallow it, and just wouldn’t hear of it.

    The Pharmacists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the
    Plastic Surgeons said, “This puts a whole new face on the matter….”

    The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the
    Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.

    The Anaesthetists thought the ideas were a gas, but the
    Cardiologists didn’t have the heart to say no.

    In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the
    arseholes in parliament!

  365. May 26, 2014 6:27 am

    ”””””””deaths come from Iraq Body Count. Care to point out where their methods are wrong ( https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ ) ?”””””””

    Tinfoil`osy, l don`t know their methods, nor have time to research them.

    From the site, they claim `documented` deaths, which IS my point,

    Do you really believe every death IS `documented`, as l don`t.

  366. May 26, 2014 6:36 am

    ”””””””’deaths of combatants, my answer was in response to AO’s claim that “bush, howard and blair, killed millions of other innocent people”.””””””’

    ””CAUSED the DEATH of NUMBERS of other innocent people””
    Toning it down a bit, l agree with AO, the three amigos are responsible for many more dead than numbers provided, as l said previously, they would find all kinds of ways to `classify` them `off-the-count`,

    just as discharged soldiers that eat their gun from mental breakdown `caused` by battle, are not counted as `war-dead`.

  367. May 26, 2014 6:51 am

    ””””””””Why do we keep debating communism as if it’s relevant to people here?
    > An opposing viewpoint to a right winger, does not a communist make.
    >
    > That’s the go to teabag phrase when confronted by factual truth and they have nothing but parroted,regurgitated, rhetorical””””””””””””(ricky)

    .

    ””””””””not balanced and distorts the truth … common among those who defend the current Australian tory government program of using an imbalance of democratic power for suppression and control of the weak, poor, young, sick, old and frail … what a great system that is!”””””””””(TB)

    .

    l think this high-lights the effect crap-media is having on the public. The public are starting to accept nonsense usually referred to as BULLSHIT as a `view` because lazy teabag-media have given bullshit a sort of `validity` by indulging it. This is the circular, dumbing-down of `news`/information that hurts the public more than it helps. (Australia`s media environment is also the prime example of why places like China will not allow a `free-press`.)

  368. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 7:09 am

    ‘I think you’re talking rubbish [again]. You just parrot glib phrases and overlook really important and basic fundamentals of media and democracy.’

    From Kitty’s link….

    ‘The stated purpose for doing so is to create a mass media system that informs and empowers all members of society, and enhances democratic values. It is a liberal-democratic approach to media studies that advocates the reformation of the mass media with an emphasis on public service broadcasting and audience participation, through the use of citizen journalism…’

    The twittersphere and blogosphere fulfil that function, but it would be best if the ABC received more funds and all right wing organisations like The Oz be closed down. Particularly Andrew Bolt on both platforms.

    Its a perfect world where the left never gets criticised and the right is always condemned, democracy should flourish.

  369. May 26, 2014 8:43 am

    (armchair)”””””””””””’me, I’m with banksy, I think aussies should start showing some anarchy, start to give a f*ck about something other than themselves. Loving the student protests, gives me hope that all is not lost.””””””””’

    first `anarchy` won`t prove much, it is basically what is being dished-out by the teabags, has been since the John-W regime, they have successfully continually plucked-off bits of our system to make it `fail-to-work-correctly`,

    e.g the teabags don`t like Govt-welfare/pensions, but they don`t like `super` either, which was at least a partial `cure` to Govt-pensions, so the teabags went about `indirectly` wrecking `super` by wrecking employment prospects and conditions, this will eventually create `crime-based-anarchy`

    ””’gives me hope that all is not lost””’

    l can reassure you, much is lost.

  370. May 26, 2014 8:59 am

    (armchair)”””””””””””’the FTA’s that we grovel to sign. US style healthcare, here we come!

    I am very concerned that the chronically ill and the elderly will stop taking some medications if they can’t afford their script & meds. Potential for some real problems, even deaths, certainly more hospital admissions.”””””””””

    its already happening armchair, l saw talking-heads(medical) on the telly this week saying this was already a problem with elderly and `ill` pensioners, they phone their quack to find out ””which of their medicines they can getaway with skipping, as they can`t afford all of the medicines this week””, the talking-heads seem to be hopping mad, claiming this WILL get worse.

    Same talking-heads also mad about $7feetax, already got pensioners phoning quacks to cancel/put-off medical visits/check-ups.

  371. May 26, 2014 9:20 am

    #China is communist

    ”””It used to be.”””

    #the following is `blather`

    ””””””””’China is moving to a market economy while still maintaining vestiges of the totalitarian trappings of communism.

    The reason 300 million Chinese have been lifted out of dire poverty is the operation of the market.

    There is less equality in China now but the people are better off.”””””””’

    #you jump from `economy` to `totalitarian`,

    but do you really think `economy` and `society` or `culture` is the same thing.

    You are parroting foxtard-news screeching here.

    Who said China should be stupid, and not collect 50% ownership of international businesses that want access to China`s market and labor.

  372. Splatterbottom permalink
    May 26, 2014 9:23 am

    “Its a perfect world where the left never gets criticised and the right is always condemned, democracy should flourish.”

    The intelligentsia really do like shutting people up. Whether by sending in socialist agitators to shout down their opponents or passing repressive laws. Underpants Controy was a classic example.

    They are also ridiculously thin-skinned. These strutting wannabe emporers with eggshell egos seem very fragile when the intellectual nakedness of their facile ideas is called out.

  373. May 26, 2014 9:24 am

    #Thailand verses China (economy), Thailand is slipping, too much political upheaval, China won`t make that mistake.

  374. egg permalink
    May 26, 2014 9:48 am

    ‘with eggshell egos seem very fragile when the intellectual nakedness of their facile ideas is called out.’

    Yep.

  375. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 11:44 am

    They are also ridiculously thin-skinned. These strutting wannabe emporers with eggshell egos seem very fragile when the intellectual nakedness of their facile ideas is called out.

    Sounds like:

    Sir Noddy Newman & The Nitwits

    … and …

    Areshole Abbott & The Tonedeafs

    sb …

  376. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 26, 2014 11:46 am

    with eggshell egos seem very fragile when the intellectual nakedness of their facile ideas is called out.’

    yep, like their entire ideology.

    Sending All The Wrong Signals:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/22/sending-all-wrong-signals

  377. TB Queensland permalink
    May 26, 2014 6:12 pm

    I always knew, Tones, was a fkn hypocrite noice, honest man …

    Tony Abbott adds family gifts to pecuniary interest register

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/26/tony-abbott-adds-family-gifts-to-pecuniary-interest-register

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