Rostrum: Toons and Loons Edition!

‘Fairfax Media has again passed Gina Rinehart over for a vacancy on the company’s board, appointing instead the high-profile adman Todd Sampson.

‘Sampson is the Australian chief of the global advertising firm, Leo Burnett, but is better known for his regular spot on the panel of the ABC program, the Gruen Transfer.’

Guardian

Neil is lining himself up for a periodic banning at that other place.

Do I sense a note of self deprecation or is this serious.

‘I hope not … that means we’ll have to foster the broken record here …’

Think of him as another cafe refugee, show some compassion.

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

Albert Einstein

“A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses; it is an idea that possesses the mind.”

Robert Bolton

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/stage/clive-james-jokes-about-tony-abbotts-daughters-20140601-zru39.html

I love Clive James books, but apparently he’s a little out of favour with “left” types. I don’t know why, probably because “left” types object to any artistic person who isn’t in lock step with their standard, off the shelf positions.

I reread some of his television show reviews recently, they remain hilarious 30+ years later.
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Speaking of artistic types, I happened to be in the Fair Work Australia building recently, there is an interesting bronze bust of a former President of the Commission in the foyer, (cast, produced?) by none other than the famous Michael Lawler of Kathy Jackson fame. By all accounts he is apparently quite interesting!

‘why don’t people ever learn …’

Dunno, perhaps established culture slows things down and if the political will to bring about constructive change is absent… then they won’t learn.

‘Why? After its insults at the Blogmeister and others here its a wonder he’s still here?’

Yeah, I pulled him up on that. He appears as someone who has gone completely mad, stuck in the Howard years and repeating his mantra infinitum, best not take him too seriously.

My obsession is practically cured.

Many employers do pre employment drug and alcohol testing and there’ll be more of it, not less.

People on the dole will be disqualifying themselves from lots of jobs if they’re using drugs.

‘People on the dole will be disqualifying themselves from lots of jobs if they’re using drugs.’

That’s true and why I’m suggesting Abbott’s Green Army would be a suitable starting point for those wanting to return to the workforce.

Abbott gives the thumbs down to drug testing.

“As far as I am aware you couldn’t even do that kind of thing without the cooperation of the states,” he said, before asserting that the proposal was “not likely” to be adopted.’

“I recall being called “immoral scum”

Was that addressed at you specifically or ALP supporters in general??

I do say things i regret from time to time. Usually after i get abused myself.

But i do not find myself in agreement with ALP supporters on anything. They seem to tell falsehoods most of the time which drives me nut

For the one millionith time over at the Cafe i was told Costello paid off debt by asset sales only. And i had to reply for the one millionith time that Costello ran $100B in surplus budgets AND $70B of asset sales. So he saved $170B over 11 years.

This enabled $96B of debt to be paid off and $70B to be put into a new fund, the Future Fund

That’s very generous Sir reb, I was trying to decide whether ‘immoral’ or ‘scum’ is more offensive.

yes, but you are a cunt egg.

Hard to argue with.

Which brings me to this

Kitty comrade TomR took me out of context

https://theguttertrash.com/2014/05/27/you-will-pay-to-be-told-that-the-budget-is-good-for-you/#comment-59502

Considering your posts have very little actual context, you are going to have to pinpoint EXACTLY where this took place egg.

“after his time spent as abuser in chief of Gillard and continual personal attacks on her in the most despicable manners,”

You will have to refresh my memory about these attacks.

There was that ditch the witch sign when he was speaking but apparently that sign went up after he started speaking.

jesus h Kitty, what kind of a a winker would even have that as a “draft” (a draft that got put on his website AND youtube. Like we believe that)

There are times this bozzo even makes egg look positively benign. It will be interesting to watch the hate media go to town on this one. You recall how Gillard was ridiculed for her pronouncing words. this should go off (sarc alert) Actually, I think NM has it -pegged

New Matilda is awaiting comment from the Prime Minister’s office. At the risk of putting words into the spinner’s mouths, the response is likely to be something along the lines of ‘… we never removed the story, the link just broke… by itself… oh, look over there, a unicorn!’

https://newmatilda.com/2014/06/01/abbott-takes-another-step-closer-his-own-d-day

yomm has to try the Gillard Unicorn

Well done there old boy, nothing says barracker like u do 😉

Vociferously 🙂

I just received an email – Dan Murphy has 2008 Penfolds 389 for $60 a bottle (in a 6 pack), that’s good value!

I’ve got no clever leftoid snark tweets to post. Hopefully toons tunes are still okay.

What is it with older white men?

or was it this?

gutless bullies that should have been

climate jihadist 😯

Sounds like spittle-flecked stupidity to me 😆

Of course, it could just be “irony” 😉

“Sorry to butt in …”

So how many of these people do you think we should take? There are 20-40 million asylum seekers around the world.

Put a number on it.

Its a big island Neil.

Well the lefties i have met think humans are a pest on the planet. They think we should have a population of about 8 million people in Australia.

So i am suspicious when lefties want more boat people/ more immigrant people/more people.

Lefties i have met want a cull of the Australian population to 8 million people.

‘more immigrant people/more people.’

Its now unavoidable, but instead of asylum seekers it will be cashed up Chinese.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/18/what-you-need-know-about-new-chinese-wealth-flowing-australia

‘What population do you think we should aim for?’

There is a consensus, it’ll be over 40 million by 2050.

We are a pest on the planet according to them

Perhaps they were just speaking about you specifically 😉

I was just stating a fact

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

‘They want zero population growth.’

A Green splinter group believe in zero population growth.

Hubots on the rise.

‘ROBOTS may be poised to enter a new frontier in the workplace — but that doesn’t mean the public is ready for it.

‘After taking root in factories in the 1960s, robots gradually moved into jobs requiring rudimentary thinking such as data processing and banking services. The next wave of the invasion is going to include jobs that are highly social and emotional. Robots will drive taxis, sell real estate and work as library assistants, sports referees and healthcare assistants.’

WSJ

Oh well, back to the drawing board.

What, coz the oz says so. Last time they ran this kind of story, it turned out to be a poll by the tobacco industry, that in turn turned out to be bullshit.

…..

Oh, silly me, look at the story

The 0.3 per cent increase, though modest, goes against a 15.6 per slide in tobacco sales over the previous four years

A 0.3 increase in pre-rolled cigarettesales in one year AFTER A 15.6% decrease in OVERALL TOBACCO sales previously. How long have these laws been in now?

I didn’t read the rest completely (what a mind numbingly collection of carefully selected cherry picked numbers), but I wonder if the number of overall tobacco sales has continued to go down or not? Not enough black ink to inform dear reader of that. It appears that cheap ciggies are taking over the expensive brands, which sort of proves how much influence packaging had.

Me, I’ll go with this statement. Interesting that their figures weren’t shown in this “infommercial” for Phillip Morris, lack of black ink again perhaps?

Opposition health spokeswoman Catherine King said she would rely on data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics instead of the industry.

The oz ROFL. Continuing to lie to the Australian public, daily 😉

And Doc Neeson, what a sad loss.

Any time you are ready egg?

I did try to read it, but my mind was dulled by the irrelevance of the article.

He made a big claim at the start, but for the life of me, I couldn’t find the data to support it. That is the effect of the “hate media” Dull their readers to ignorance 🙂

I fancy we need an independent audit.

Something like the Australian Bureau of Statistics?

So, you are saying you cannot find anything in the article to support the authors (lol) claim that plain packaging has “failed”?

Amazon apparently still wants books, especially the e-books that everyone agrees are the future of the medium, to be cheaper than what publishers and big-name authors want you to pay for them

BASTARDS! 😉

What about small name authors?

How DARE a company have the gall to offer up competitiveness! AND do it better, by offering up what costumers actually want.

Just this week, the Australian Bureau of Statistics released the national accounts and buried in those accounts is a measure of the volume of household consumption of cigarettes and tobacco.

The figures from the ABS show that total consumption of tobacco and cigarettes in the March quarter 2014 is the lowest ever recorded – and this with the series starting in 1959. This is extraordinary. It is a Great Depression for tobacco sales.

Making this record low consumption of tobacco all the more fantastic is that the fact that the consumption numbers are not adjusted for population growth which, by definition, means per capita consumption of tobacco and cigarettes is also at a record low.

Making a mockery of The Australian’s story is the fact that, in seasonally adjusted volume terms, consumption of tobacco is 5.3 per cent lower in the March quarter 2014 than in the December quarter 2012 when the plain packaging laws were introduced.

It seems like The Australian is pushing, in a high profile front page story, baseless information fed to it from pressure groups with a vested interest to sell more tobacco and cigarettes. With sales cascading, there are looking for any pressure to change the rules that are obviously working to reduce tobacco consumption.

http://thekouk.com/blog/the-australian-s-claim-on-tobacco-go-up-in-smoke.html#.U5D7riihXaJ

“”…………in seasonally adjusted volume terms, consumption of tobacco is 5.3 per cent lower in the March quarter 2014 than in the December quarter 2012 when the plain packaging laws were introduced.””

Why not compare to the previous quarter ?

Just more cherry picking by a very discredited writer.

How about the Price Elasticity of Demand ?

Any analysis there ?

Something that might interest KL (ao)

The only trouble is that nursing – along with a range of allied health professions – risks being priced out of the market for rational economic career decisions by the budget.

We need 109,000 extra nurses by 2025.

http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/why_budget_reforms_are_now_in_intensive_j1fK5bsqU7EQNG6UP8kWeI

On the upside ao, you shouldn’t have trouble finding work when you’re 69! 😉

“”Because that’s not how stats work would probably be the most obvious answer “”

What Crap…………………….plain packaging was introduced for all cigs produced after 1 October 2012 and all sales after 1 December 2012.

He completely neglects price increases so he can prove his position.

He’s useless………………………no wonder you follow him

He completely neglects price increases so he can prove his position.

price increases have been present long before plain packaging. They are inbuilt into the data. There is a reason we have the term ‘beer and ciggies” tax. It is something the Governemnts invariably raise.

Sorry, but look elsewhere for a strawman

He’s useless

Except that he actually provided the raw facts that proved my statements earlier about the oz LYING! 😉

Now i could be wrong

ROFL 😆

Well i downloaded Table 8 and could not find any volume figures.

The Australian said smokers had switched to lower priced cigarettes. So it is possible for volume smoked to be unchanged but amount spent to fall.

But i take your point. The media is not to be trusted. Most journalists have no special training in anything. I notice you tend to believe anything bad about the Coalition in the media. But anything bad in the media about the ALP is due to the hate media.

But i stand by my comments about Koukoulas. He is a patholigical liar and not to be trusted.

I found the proof that Kouks is a f***ing idiot.

The volumes are up and down like a yo yo

June 2013 was up 1.1% (June 2012 down .1%) as was September 2013 up .5%. (September 2012 up 1%).

Yeah he didn’t use those stats did he………………Nah……………….that would prove he’s a total f**wit.

No wonder TomR likes quoting him

Kouks is just sooooooooooooo full of crap

“”Raw data tends to do that””

And that’s why he’s a f***ing idiot

“I found the proof that Kouks is a f***ing idiot.”

No he is not. He is quite intelligent.

But Koukoulas is a pathological liar. Which makes him dangerous. He deliberately, willfully, on purpose sets out to deceive people.

And of course he was an adviser to Gillard.

That graph starts in 1981. What is your point? It goes up and down, up and down but the trend is down.

“The downward trend could very well be smokers switching to cheaper brands.”

That is what The Australian said. However Koukoulas could be right and The Australian wrong.

But i want to say that no journalist/commentator upsets me more than Stephen Koukoulas.

Koukoulas is not stupid. He is very intelligent. But he is a devil and a clever devil. I do not know how the man can live with himself. And of course Koukoulas is an ALP supporter.

(Dividing the 1981 ABS figure of $7419 million by the 1981 per-capita figure in Kouks graph gives a population of around 14.8 million, which is about right.)

It’ll be terrible bagz, plain packaging is replaced by bloated livers and warnings of impending disaster if you continue consuming this product.

Filthy capitalists are poisoning the masses and have tricked an increasing number of people into working unnatural hours. Its a disgrace.

What, “red” and “white?”

What about brown?

Or isn’t beer a wine. 😯

” rather than the reliable and predictable (in a measuring and comparison sense) ABS figures.”

I downloaded that ABS Table and could not find anywhere it listed volume of cigarettes sold.

You then told me to look at Cell A13. Well i looked at cell A13 and could not see volumes of cigs sold. The Australian implied that volume sold has not changed but smokers now purchase more cheaper cigarettes. Hence the amount spent has fallen but the amount smoked has not changed.

I would call a 0.3% increase in sales as no change. Most normal people would.

Still waiting for figures showing amount of cigs sold has decreased. All i have seen is amount spent. Amount spent may not equal numbers purchased is they change to buying cheaper cigarettes.

Is that right?? I have actually never purchased a pack of cigarettes. I guess they are now buying the cheapest since you imply they have no idea what they are buying.

Meta(tron) is using question(ing) marks as marks of irony, is he not????

Two sets of labels: “Discount Bin” in Queensland; “Varnish Remover” everywhere else.

Despite a huge market share, Amazon apparently still wants books, especially the e-books that everyone agrees are the future of the medium, to be cheaper than what publishers and big-name authors want you to pay for them.”

And what they don’t tell you is that … you only “lease” them … they’re on the cloud …

If you own an ebook … look for epub … my Sony is epub and pdf “friendly”

And then make sure you download Calbre …

“The oz, LYING again!”

Maybe not. You still have not said what the ABS data is. Is it volume of cigs sold or amount spent?? The article did say people are switching to lower priced cigarettes and volume is constant or a slight increase.

It would not surprise me if plain packaging does not work in reducing tobacco consumption. The ALP is the party of the unforseen stuffup. Something always happens to stop an ALP program working like it should.

They abolished the Pacific Solution and this lead to a flood of economic immigrants while refugees were stuck in UNHCR camps.

(Shirley Not and In_th_-sticks have the faint whiff of N5 about them.)

Maybe. But the smell of Nature5 is pretty distinctive. It smells like spitefulness with a dash vindictiveness.

Suspicions confirmed.

‘There is no such thing, of course, as “free” education. Somebody has to pay. In systems with no charges those somebodies are all taxpayers. This is a pretty important point: a “free” higher education system is one paid for by the taxes of all, the majority of whom haven’t had the privilege of a university education. Ask yourself if you think that is a fair thing.’

Which rightwingnutnutjobteabag said that?

Yes yes, we all know that quote comes from Paul Keating

Next game – does anyone recall the ‘socialist’ tub of guts who was caught on film as a student moaning about actually having to contribute financially to his own higher education ??

(Hint: It’s the current Treasurer)

yes, I know that taxpayers pay for a ‘free’ health and education system

And I’m sick of hearing the dries going on about patients relying on “taxpayers” as if patients aren’t taxpayers, or Students relying on taxpayers, as if students aren’t taxpayers….etc etc.

Mostly the argument involved ignoring anyone from the left or any feminists who actually did criticise Palmer

And a distinct lack of acknowledgement when this was pointed out for them 😉

but given most of these journalists and commentators spend their time cherry-picking climate change and economic data, they did it with ease.

Hilarious, in the light of the oz’s contribution to bullshittery yesterday 😆

Speaking of which 😉

While this is a small 0.28% increase in sales year on year, they have failed to account for the increase in the population between 2012 and 2013.

Adjusted for population, tobacco sales per person have actually continued to decrease from 920.4 in 2012 to 906.9 in 2013:

http://www.theguardian.com/society/datablog/2014/jun/06/is-smoking-increasing-in-australia

Which is why it is best to stick with the ABS data and methodology, and not the corrupted, biased and downright WRONG oz partisan bullshit.

If you torture the data long enough, it will eventually confess.

Exactly what the oz has done, instead of relying on the tried and true.

Distortion of the news is nothing new

true. It’s been happening ever since murdoch took an interest.

So, you agree that the oz is lying to us, and you are happy with that?

‘So, you agree that the oz is lying to us, and you are happy with that?’

I’m saying Murdoch, Fairfax and Aunty distort the news, there’s this elephant in the room.

I’m a heretic, not a fool.

I agree, its a disgrace, but leaving stuff out is technically legitimate. Reading between the lines should be taught in primary school.

If limitednews is skewed far right, anything in the centre is to the left of it.

I was listening to the Something Wonky podcast discussing tabot using the D-Day commemoration to push his political wagon, and one of them mentioned the incongruity(?) of a commemoration of a battle against a far right regime being used by a far right regime to further its political agenda.

Atlas truly did weep.

Aunty supports Fairfax, which creates the illusion that the Murdocracy is far right. We have centre right and centre left media organisations catering for all tastes, desperately seeking bums on seats to stay relevant.

“They are a partisan hack, a paid for conspirator pushing one interested parties agenda”

You must be talking about Fairfax and the ABC.

Still there is no evidence that plain paper packaging has had any effect. Smoking rates have been declining for years.

So is it true that if you want a pack of cigarettes you have no idea what you are buying??

‘you ignore that fact and make out it’s all equal and balanced.’

Aunty supports Fairfax, that seems fairly balanced against the might of the Murdocray and shock jocks arguing for the other side.

So is it true that if you want a pack of cigarettes you have no idea what you are buying??

It has the brand name on the packet. I have been behind quite a few people (but less now than there used to be going on the data 😉 ) ordering a specific brand. And those I know who have smoked for years don’t care one way or another about plain packaging, they are victimised(??) in far more obvious manners than having marketing targeted at youths removed from their habits.

so the abc and fairfax are colluding because they support the 97% consensus of climate scientists.

The abc are “balanced” in this ao, in that they give the 3% the same time and grace as they give the 97%. That’s balance to the corrupted abc.

The far right consider anything to the left of them to be far left, anything to the right of them….normal.

Which is why a rusted on cannot see how far right the oz is.

Murdoch seems balanced to me.

Case in point 😉

‘How so? please explain the elephant.’

The great debate on atmospheric science, which is not settled and needs discussing. The ABC has a duty to analyse both sides of the argument, while Fairfax has every right to pursue its own agenda.

‘so the abc and fairfax are colluding because they support the 97% consensus of climate scientists.’

You are probably unaware that Cook (Mr 97%) is in trouble for torturing the data, yet the propaganda continues to circulate.

‘The deniers are the extremists on that issue and any split is purely a political divide not a scientific one,

Not so, the Denialati is primarily interested in the science and recently they received a heavy blow when it was illustrated that there is little correlation between the sun and our atmosphere.

In light of this starling revelation I’m now punting on some kind of electro magnetics as the probable cause of CC.

TB

People can tell falsehoods without telling lies. It is only a lie if you know it is a falsehood.

“Rupert Murdoch wants a monopoly … 70% ain’t enough ”

Apparently anybody can start up a newspaper unlike a TV station where you need a licence.

Like most lefties you want to legislate anything out of existence you do not agree with.

It is not Murdochs faults that 70% of the people who buy newspapers want to purchase News Ltd.

Start your own newspaper if you want to do something about it.

My main argument is that bias exists in the electorate already. Fairfax and Murdoch are only reinforcing preconceived values, centre left and centre right.

Gentleman Jack & soda this evening

I have just discovered that George Dickels is back in the country. dick’n’coke for me this evening with the burghers 😉

And, as explained above, the “ignorance” clause no longer holds (not that it should for the nations most “prestigious” paper.) The actual evidence and glaring deficiency of their “numbers” has been exposed and explained. Is there a retraction yet?

Why is it, every time the oz is “inaccurate”, they are always “inaccurate” in a way that supports their far right world view of reality?

It is this reason that codes against bias has been written into their own policy for journalists, yet they ignore it steadfastly, and instead continue to corrupt peoples understanding of the world around them with lies and misrepresentations.

‘…and instead continue to corrupt peoples understanding of the world around them with lies and misrepresentations.’

Hmmm….

“but Murdoch and cronies like you want to get rid the ABC because they provide a balanced view”

Too funny. The ABC could only be called balanced if they had some Conservative presenters like Bolt, Tim Blair, Akerman etc. But they have none that i know off. And they represent 40% of the population.

Your opinion shows you have no concept of what is true.

“Don’t be a fkn idiot … chuckle … does that mean you agree that Murdoch has a MONOPOLY?”

Looks like lefites cannot run anything without govt support. There is no legislation stopping anybody from starting up a newspaper. It is not Murdochs fault that very few people buy Green-Left weekly.

Bit of history….

‘In the 1920s, sections of the Australian ruling class had become sympathetic to fascism and its aim of completely destroying trade unions, the left and working class organisations. There was particular admiration for what Benito Mussolini, the fascist dictator of Italy, had achieved when he came to power in 1922. This included the assassination or internment of all opposition leaders and the banning of all opposition political parties and newspapers.

‘During the 1925 seafarers’ strike, the Sydney Morning Herald reminded its readers that, “Italy…was only saved from Red Dominance by the heroic remedy of Fascism—a dreadful medicine for sure, and yet less bitter than the plague it stopped.”

‘When he returned from Italy in 1923, the Nationalist Premier of Victoria, Harry S W Lawson, proclaimed Mussolini as the one, “whom Providence wanted to lead Italy”.

‘The manager of the Melbourne branch of the Australian Bank of Commerce, today’s Westpac, was pleased to hail Mussolini as, “certainly one of the most wonderful men I have ever seen.”

‘At Anzac Day parades between 1930 and 1937, Italian fascists were allowed to march as a distinct group. Their fascist salutes provoked no adverse comment in the major newspapers.’

Solidarity.net.au

“Which is why it is best to stick with the ABS data and methodology, and not the corrupted, biased and downright WRONG oz partisan bullshit.”

Not necessarily WRONG. The ABS uses $ Millions spent. The Australian uses number of ‘sticks’ consumed. They may both be correct.

l see `our` usual suspects are bolt-frothing
#continues

3-No matter how much whining Bolt and his imbeciles do about my ABC,

+teh-oz is unlikely to make a profit for Limited-News.

+Network-10 will continue to flounder under Limited-News/Murdoch management and/or influence.

+Boltreportland will remain a viewer wasteland, and only attract similar imbeciles that feed at teh-bolt blog.

+None of those points have anything to do with my ABC.

+While Limited-News and Network-10 continue to serve-up crap, their audience will continue to fall(except for the fractional imbeciles) and it will be `on-line` new-media that will continue to benefit, like fakebook, with 11-million aussies that visit twice-daily. Not my ABC.

So once again, `our` cranks don`t know what they are talking about.

””’Remember journalists are not experts in anything.””’

””’no, not even checking the facts and looking for bias before they write up a spoon fed, slanted, industry funded ‘research report’ it would seem.””’

””’If limitednews is skewed far right, anything in the centre is to the left of it.””’

#Correct On All Counts.

“l see `our` usual suspects are bolt-frothing on their tired old `Limited-News-verses-`my-ABC` theme again, a theme l have previously arse-fcuked them `hard` with. Seems l need to do it again.”

Yeah, well, you don’t have a very good record with facts. Give us* your links and I’ll get back to you.

*Royal “us” alert

”””””””'[MALCOLM TURNBULL] …And you guys at the ABC have got the heaviest responsibility in all of the Australian media because you have a – you do not have the liberty or the luxury of being biased. You have a really solemn legal responsibility to be accurate and balanced in your coverage””””””’

#that`s a damn good quote armchair, _ where-from.?

.

#l repeat, for Tinfoil`osy`s benefit,

”””’do not have the liberty or the luxury of being biased. You have a really solemn legal responsibility to be accurate and balanced in your coverage””””(#mr-talkbull/#my-ABC)

””””””””””Not necessarily WRONG. The ABS uses $ Millions spent. The Australian uses number of ‘sticks’ consumed. They may both be correct.””””””””

the abs will be `without` black-market data Tinfoil`osy, so probably Wrong,

meanwhile Limited-News mangles `all` data it gets its hands on, so of-course Wrong

Not necessarily WRONG. The ABS uses $ Millions spent. The Australian uses number of ‘sticks’ consumed. They may both be correct.

Except i has already been shown to be wrong, as population growth has not been accounted for. When it was, the “sticks” sold actually went down.

We don’t know also if the cheaper ones have less tobacco, or if the overall percent of tobacco across the the board has decreased or increased.In fact, we don’t know much, as the company that did it won’t tell us.

And from this dodgy set of figures and alleged ‘facts’ (which have already shown to be wrong) the oz drew the conclusion and stated emphatically that plain packaging had failed. And appear unable to rectify their inaccuracy.

What a bunch of talent-less liars

“One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.”

Pertinent considering the strident defense some here have mounted for the oz attempting to deceive its readers egg 😉

‘Plain paper packaging may turn out to be a good idea.’

Its not a vote winner, nevertheless I think we should press ahead and replicate the experiment in food and beverages.

The usual suspects that enjoy belting my ABC, would do much better ditching bolt and his fcukwittery, and do their own research, enjoy this working example my teabags.

””””””””””’the national public broadcaster, the ABC, which the IPA would break up and sell off, features heavily. One count, by the left-leaning Independent Australia, clocked 39 appearances by IPA staff in the year 2011-12 on just one ABC TV program, The Drum. That’s almost as many Drum appearances as the combined total of all other think tanks, left, right and centre.

http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/05/31/abbotts-faceless-men-the-ipa/1401458400#.U4sOv_na6So
””””””””””””””””’

The management should be sacked and Scott`s head should be on a pike, what`s wrong with the fcukwits running my ABC. Look how many times under the `fake` banner of `balance` these chooks have let the ipa dingo dine within my ABC chicken-coup. For what reason Scott is letting the-drummers run rampant has got me fcuked. The sooner Scott, and teh-drum producers realize they are there to serve the public, and not assist a foreign-corporate in dismantling and/or destroying the national broadcaster, the better off we will all be.

#Lesson concluded Teabags 🙂

“a really solemn legal responsibility to be accurate and balanced”

“the `fake` banner of `balance`”

😯

Instead of adjusting total-sticks-consumed by dividing it by the increasing total population to reach a per-capita figure, Kouk should have divided them by the declining number of smokers to give a per-smoker figure. But that would have given him the “wrong” answer.

“The Kouk went on ABS figures, which is a measure of spend, not individual cigarettes sold, not sure what you are referring to here?”

You said The Australian’s figures were wrong beecause they didn’t account for increasing population i.e. they didn’t use per capita figures. But per-capita includes every man, woman, and child of which only a portion smoke -: around 20% of those over 18 years of age. If total sticks consumed or $ Millions spent figures aren’t good enough to establish a trend, then why not calculate $ Dollars spent or sticks consumed per-smoker.

I struggle to get to excited about the vast MMM* conspiracy that bothers ‘teh left’ so much.

So many of ‘teh left’ get highly excited about The Australian, but that rag could hardly be less relevant, with about 1 copy sold per 170 people in the country.

Meanwhile the multitude of political blogs around allow everyone to write their personal editorials several times a day (even those that are largely incoherent)

*MMM= the all pervasive Murdoch, Mining, Military conspiracy

(True; everyone can make their own paper plane; even The Australian, when it’s not littering the QANTAS VIP Lounge or gadding about among the everyday stack of papers left flagged on a CCO’s desk by some PA who microblog-comments in their downtime.)

You said The Australian’s figures were wrong beecause they didn’t account for increasing population i.e. they didn’t use per capita figures.

No, The Gaurdian said they just went on a raw figure, that failed to take into consideration population growth. It isn’t a per capita figure that the oz was using, but, because of this, a simple rise in a number IGNORES population growth. Not the same thing tosy

If total sticks consumed or $ Millions spent figures aren’t good enough to establish a trend, then why not calculate $ Dollars spent or sticks consumed per-smoker.

You’d have to take that up with the tobacco company that paid for this very limited and totally inaccurate poll.

The crux of this whole argument is Labor supporters trying to prove that plain-packaging laws worked

Logic fail BIG time tosy. This is all about the oz using dodgy numbers (that have been exposed to be incorrect) to claim that it DIDN’T work. Nobody is using these figures to claim it has. The highlight here is on the oz AGAIN using rubbery figures to lie to their readers.

Unless you have a link to where the claim is being made (except perhaps myself who posited an opinion earlier that I reckon it does)

I don’t know of anyone like Bolt, Akerman, Tim Blair who hosts a program on the ABC.

ulman? Not quite as unhinged, but struck from the same mould.

“No, The Gaurdian said they just went on a raw figure, that failed to take into consideration population growth. It isn’t a per capita figure that the oz was using, but, because of this, a simple rise in a number IGNORES population growth. Not the same thing tosy.”

And the Guardian ignores the systemic decline in smoker numbers, where even a flat line in dollars spent adjusted for the declining number of smokers would show an upward trend in dollars spent per smoker.

And the Guardian ignores the systemic decline in smoker numbers

I think that is called a petard 😯

Shocking Nooze Break

Chomsky turns his back on Obama.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/04/chomsky-obama-determined-to-demolish-the-foundations-of-our-civil-liberties/

“More Morrison incompetence, ignorance, immorality and cruelty … “

Big call there.

I could just as easily say you are playing politics with a difficult issue.

I could also say because of your vote in 2007 thousands of people from UNHCR camps have been denied a place in Australia.

But since lefties have no conscience i guess you do not care.

””””””World first: Australian solar plant has generated “supercritical” steam that rivals fossil fuels’

http://sciencealert.com.au/news/20140506-25618.html

A CSIRO test plant in Australia has broken a world record and proved solar power could efficiently replace fossil fuels.”””””””’

#and mr-rabbit is-trying/has cut csiro funding in teh-horror budget

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”””””””’A solar thermal test plant in Newcastle, Australia, has generated “supercritical” steam at a pressure of 23.5 mpa (3400 psi) and 570°C (1,058°F).”””””””’

#under teh-JohnW regime, a `thermal` test site was defunded/shit-down, (the `thermal` site was producing the correct pressure to drive a generator for electricty), in protection of coal the site was NOT developed into a power-provider(for-wa/sa-l-think) so l don`t like the chances of mr-rabbits reheated zombies NOT killing this off too.

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”””””””””””CSIRO is claiming it as a world record, and it’s a HUGE step for solar thermal energy.

”It’s like breaking the sound barrier; this step change proves solar has the potential to compete with the peak performance capabilities of fossil fuel sources,” Dr Alex Wonhas, CSIRO’s Energy Director, told Colin Jeffrey for Gizmag.””””””””’

#unfortunately, the born followers we send to canberra will most likely mean, Aust won`t be doing this until teh-usa has done it 😦

I have solar powered garden lights that work at night 😉

It was more than a start, it was a hint 😉

i can imagine new satellite cities across Australia being powered only by sol, if they can figure out how to store day into night energy.

Yes, we’ve needed more inane commentary.

Glad to help pick up the load for you yomm 😉

I was in Port Macquarie during the 2010 election, then exactly a year later. My (anecdotal) findings

In 2010, Oakeshott was the most high profile, well liked/supported political candidate I have observed, about 1 in 10 houses and 1 in 3 businesses displayed his campaign poster

A year later, sentiment had swung and Oakeshott-

• Was seen to have done a deal with the ALP to look after his parliamentary career, ignoring the fact that his electorate was traditional National Party
• His electorate thought they were getting a moderate National, not a left oriented, self serving bulls**t artist
• He was seen as a verbose dill, who loved the limelight
• Once his electorate grew to know him, with his high profile, they turned on him.

Oakeshott might have remained popular if he’d been the member for Byron Bay, but not Port Macquarie.

But Palmer is far more cunning, egocentric, vindictive and sinister, I think he’s quite dangerous. He’s tapping into the disaffection with the major parties, but he’s a shyster and a c**t.

There’s a place for an actual broad based party like the Democrats, not some self interested narcissist, surrounded by dull opportunists without any notion of a policy platform.

“let’s break up the political cartel that operates now”,/i>

Maybe, but it seems like we’ve elected a gorilla with a few chimps.

LOL still pantie wetting over oakshott, you do realize he retired

‘So from that, I take it that:
☼ Abbott accepts climate change?’

There is nothing in his words to suggest humans are changing climate and growing a renewable resource seems practical.

Abbott once remarked that it was warmer around the time of Christ, science recently verified his comment.

‘That’s because he’s all over the shop on it, has said completely contradictory things at different times. He just blows [CO2]’

He is being diplomatic.

** chuckle

‘He couches it all in political doublespeak because he is gutless; like a political windsniffer, like the rest of them. He’s no genuine hood ornament for the denialati.’

He has to be diplomatic on the world stage, Obama is pushing ahead while Abbott pulls back. If he had come out and said “the prime minister of Canada and I are as one on this issue, AGW science is crap and the 17 year hiatus proves it.”

Troof in politics is not practical.

The denialati is unconcerned, the senate will either scrap the tax or go to a DD election.

‘Indeed…but when they’re found out, their political capital is extinguished! So should it be.’

Thanks to Snowdon this has become brutally obvious.

‘We should all be able to vote on well defined positions which are on the public record & devoid of semantic safety seeking. Never will it be so.’

Yep, Realpolitik Rules.

‘He/they showed his/their hand way too early to play the DD card now.’

He has no option but to run or become a lame duck one term PM.

The fuckers are too used to having sway with soundbytes & edited appearances.

What I find interesting is, with Gillard, and then rudd mkII, all we saw in the media was the embarrassing out-takes and mis-steps, but with tabot, these are largely hidden away and coated over with plenty of lipstick.

It’s the complete reverse depending on the party

“In promoting Palmer, exactly what are people wanting?”

Well the people on this site who like Clive are Abbott haters. So i guess some people support Clive because they think Palmer will do damage to Abbott

(dunny)”””””””””””””’He’s(clive) tapped into the politically disenfranchised; multiplying by the day, particularly amongst #‘simple’ conservative voters who expected something different from Abbott. That may be highly amusing, and symptomatic of wider political jading,””””””””’#agree

””””but…My Enemy’s Enemy isn’t my default Friend.”””

#agree dunny, but l don`t think anybody here is `actually` saying that,(l`m-not) but are enjoying the prospect of mr-rabbits zombies of being a `Lame-Duck` regime. Remember, the zombies never managed to stop `one` bill during Joolya`s regime. They are out of practice `negotiating` things and avoiding obstacles.

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(dunny)””””””””””””””””’I think that it’s good to have individuals outside of the majors who force them to negotiate, rather than them jamming through their ideological proclivities when they get an absolute majority every now & then. That doesn’t mean that opportunist billionaires are a salve.””””””””””’

#agree, tho having pissed-off, ex-teabags on the scene seems to arse-fcuk the teabags way-more than anybody else. (hint windsor oakshot) The pattern nowadays seems to be the duopoly `unite` when they want to fcuk us over anyway.

Notice this, this week.?
Wilkie was the one pushing to block supply.? (not-teabag-lite)

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(dunny)””””I also agree with this…””””
(armchair)”””’you gotta be pretty dumb not to take note of the contempt in which they are held by the public and still refuse to reform themselves.””””””’#ditto/agree

(clive)””””””””””in “the court of public opinion”, Willesse was “a dickhead”.

He wasn’t ashamed of anything that aired because Mr Muir and his three PUP senators-elect — who were filmed on a trip to the US — weren’t professional politicians.

“Ricky Muir hasn’t been on TV before. He’s a hardworking dad. What’s wrong with that? He’s there because people think he’s more in contact with the real world,

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/pauline-hanson-wants-ricky-muir-to-call-her-tells-media-back-off-and-leave-him-alone/story-e6frfmyi-1226948684144
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#Clive makes a few good points l reckon, teabag-media seem to harass the least `media-equipped`, and `least-worthy` of attack. This may actually back-fire, as Hanson is offering help to Muir(back in her day, Hanson got 10% of the nation-wide vote) and may end up helping to increase support for `pup`s, Muir`s, and/or the recent ex-teabags that defected to pup. #Go-Clive #Go-Pauline #Go-Muir 🙂

(roast that Lame duck)

‘(roast that Lame duck)’

Not on Abbott’s watch, he would rather fight a DD than die on his knees.

‘UNION perks such as nightshift workers receiving 115 hours’ pay for a 40-hour week are helping drive up electricity network costs in NSW to twice those of privatised Victoria.

‘The perks, revealed by Treasurer Andrew Constance, include double time and extra shift payments for nightshifts and the capacity to take company cars anywhere in Australia with a fuel card paid for by electricity consumers, even when on long service leave. One taxpayer-owned power company has 65 cars for every 100 employees.’

Clennell / Daily Terror

I was about to mention “hyper-bowl” by Julia. That wasn’t a slip of the tongue, that was just dumb ignorance.

I don’t specifically recall that it was in a prepared speech, but the pronunciation of ‘hyper-bowl’ means that it is a word she doesn’t use in intelligent company.

There was Gillard, a ‘young and naive’ woman in her mid 50s who still doesn’t know how to pronounce words in common usage.

who still doesn’t know how to pronounce words in common usage.

You mean like “Canada” 😉

Goose, Gander. Suck it up Princesses 😆

Speaking of things coming back to bite. Be careful what you wish for.

hyperbole is not a common usage word

Neither is “Canadia” 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

FIRB is toothless tiger.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/real-estate-boom-by-foreign-buyers-escapes-the-regulators-net/story-fniz9vg9-1226950002754

‘Asked if he regarded Snowden as a traitor or whistleblower, Gore veered away from the “traitor” label. He refused to go as far as labelling him a whistleblower but signalled he viewed him as being closer to that category than a traitor, saying: “What he revealed in the course of violating important laws included violations of the US constitution that were way more serious than the crimes he committed.”

MacAskill / Guardian

Former Australian Workers Union official Robert Kernohan claims Opposition leader Bill Shorten warned him against blowing the whistle on the union’s slush fund scandal because it would threaten his future in politics.
In a sworn statement to the royal commission into trade unions, Mr Kernohan who was president of the Victorian branch of the union at the time, said Mr Shorten told him in 1996 to ”think of your future”.
“He said, ‘If you pursue this, a lot of good people will get hurt and you will be on your own. Look Bob, you’ve been lined up to take a safe Labor seat of Melton in the Victorian Parliament,” Mr Kernohan said in his statement.

The whole saga will be very entertaining, particularly for those of us that have said-
o Unions are a poison coursing through the ALP
o Gillard really wasn’t “young and naïve” when Bruce Wilson was her boyfriend & client

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-warned-union-official-against-blowing-whistle-inquiry-told-20140611-39xhy.html#ixzz34JqveWfQ

If you’ve been some form of advocate in an adversarial tribunal or court system, as Gillard has, hyperbole is a word that is quite common, as it is practiced most days.

Jeez, I just caught up with the shocking news. Abbott said Canadia! 😯

Abbott said Canadia!

While he was in Canadia! Talking at Canadans! [facepalm]

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The whole saga will be very entertaining, particularly for those of us that have said-
o Unions are a poison coursing through the ALP
o Gillard really wasn’t “young and naïve” when Bruce Wilson was her boyfriend & client
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Yes the whole saga will be very entertaining, too for those of us that have said-#Go_Clive and/or #Go_Watermelon, and understand that-

o Corporations are a poison coursing through the Teabags
o Mr-rabbit really wasn’t `truthful` about his `no_surprises` election promises.

#PriseTheOtherOneOpen

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Have `our` Teabags been chortling about #`job-creation` recently.?-Nah, thought not. (Dig up links folks, l don`t have time, but saw a couple of days ago on telly,)

The recent #job_creation numbers were mainly `junk-job` status, while #job_loss were mainly `high-paid`, `full-time` jobs. (Their description `high-paid` is ACTUALLY mainly `regular-working-Joe`s wage, NOT `high-paid` in the boardroom sense)

They then went on to describe `historical` job-creation and job-loss patterns, on the job-loss cycle, 50%-or-more of the jobs lost is of the `high-paid` type, while 25%-or-less of the jobs lost are `junk-jobs`.

Then, during the job-creation cycle, 50%-or-more of the jobs created are `junk-jobs`, while 25%-AT-BEST(usually-15%) of jobs created are `high-paid`.

#Translation for stoopid teabags, That is a Downward spiral of `buying`power in the consumer-base. Ya`reckon that`ll help`ya precious `economy`.

#No point showing teabags the `human` wreckage l suppose.