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May 30, 2014

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  1. May 30, 2014 6:42 pm

    Party at TB’s place…

  2. May 30, 2014 6:43 pm

  3. May 30, 2014 6:43 pm

    Above reminds me of certain individuals…

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2014 7:23 pm

    Party at TB’s place…

    Thanks, sreb, but a bit upmarket fer me I’m afraid …

    Just to give you a taste of our fun days …

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    May 30, 2014 7:24 pm

    And I bet you watch it all the way through!

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2014 10:31 pm

    cripes, I found Luther hard to watch tonight, was glad for the relief when it finished!

  7. egg permalink
    May 30, 2014 10:33 pm

    Old School is good value.

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    May 30, 2014 10:58 pm

    It’s not bad egg, entertaining and quite ocker. I’m starting to warm to the characters now. Much better than that british show of a similar theme ‘new tricks’ which I can’t stand!

  9. egg permalink
    May 31, 2014 7:45 am

    ‘I’m starting to warm to the characters now.’

    The relationship between Sam Neil and his wife is realistic and well written. Neil and Brown are comical and perhaps some of the scenes are overblown, but all in all not a bad effort. Three and a half stars.

  10. egg permalink
    May 31, 2014 11:19 am

    ‘Fairfax Media has again passed Gina Rinehart over for a vacancy on the company’s board, appointing instead the high-profile adman Todd Sampson.

    ‘Sampson is the Australian chief of the global advertising firm, Leo Burnett, but is better known for his regular spot on the panel of the ABC program, the Gruen Transfer.’

    Guardian

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2014 4:35 pm

    Shane Warne was wise to dump Aussie Liz after all. This one seems nice and very intelligent.

    Our Warnie is a role model for all men that are approaching their use by date.

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/everything-you-need-to-know-about-shane-warnes-new-girlfriend-emily-scott/story-fnk825aa-1226937276508

  12. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2014 5:08 pm

    Our Warnie is a role model for all men that are approaching their use by date.

    “Approaching”? LOL! 🙂

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2014 5:09 pm

    Our Warnie is a role model for all men that are approaching their use by date.

    “role model”? LOL! 🙂

  14. egg permalink
    May 31, 2014 6:05 pm

    Neil is lining himself up for a periodic banning at that other place.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2014 6:24 pm

    On a personal basis, I’m a long way from my use by date. Several months in fact!

  16. egg permalink
    May 31, 2014 6:43 pm

    Do I sense a note of self deprecation or is this serious.

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    May 31, 2014 7:39 pm

    Neil is lining himself up for a periodic banning at that other place.

    I hope not … that means we’ll have to foster the broken record here …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just in:

    Signs – from the good ol’ US of A …

    “Don’t die a virgin … terrorists are up there waiting for you”

    “We’ll always be best friends – ’cause you know too much”

    “Either you love bacon … or you’re wrong”

    “DANGER – The Dog Has A Gun And Refuses To Take His Medication”

    “SWIMMIING NOTICE – The State of Minnesota Strictly Prohibits Underwater Smoking”

    “Pleas be patient – even a toilet can only handle one asshole at a time”

    “Dear Students – I know when you are texting … seriously, no-one looks down at their crotch and smiles.

    Your Teacher”

  18. egg permalink
    May 31, 2014 8:12 pm

    ‘I hope not … that means we’ll have to foster the broken record here …’

    Think of him as another cafe refugee, show some compassion.

    “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

    Albert Einstein

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    May 31, 2014 8:22 pm

    Neil is only as partisan as those he debates ‘over there’

    They only spring into action when he posts a comment.

  20. egg permalink
    May 31, 2014 8:51 pm

    “A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses; it is an idea that possesses the mind.”

    Robert Bolton

  21. egg permalink
    May 31, 2014 9:49 pm

    ‘If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good judgment. He is not hampered by a sense of humor or by charity, or by the dumb certainties of experience. He is the more logical for losing sane affections.’

    G K Chesterton

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2014 8:52 am

    http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/stage/clive-james-jokes-about-tony-abbotts-daughters-20140601-zru39.html

    I love Clive James books, but apparently he’s a little out of favour with “left” types. I don’t know why, probably because “left” types object to any artistic person who isn’t in lock step with their standard, off the shelf positions.

    I reread some of his television show reviews recently, they remain hilarious 30+ years later.
    ————————–
    Speaking of artistic types, I happened to be in the Fair Work Australia building recently, there is an interesting bronze bust of a former President of the Commission in the foyer, (cast, produced?) by none other than the famous Michael Lawler of Kathy Jackson fame. By all accounts he is apparently quite interesting!

  23. egg permalink
    June 1, 2014 9:23 am

    Drug testing dole recipients (Kiwi model) is not a good idea, the monstrous costs of monitoring would far outweigh any perceived benefits.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/drug-tests-if-youre-on-the-dole/story-fni0cx4q-1226938400218

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2014 9:46 am

    Think of him as another cafe refugee, show some compassion.

    Why? After its insults at the Blogmeister and others here its a wonder he’s still here?

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2014 9:49 am

    I love Clive James books …

    Always been a big fan too … never thought about his politics much – just enjoy his humour … and biting wit …

    Go Clivey!

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2014 9:51 am

    Drug testing dole recipients (Kiwi model) is not a good idea

    And they run the risk of escalating hard drug use as in the mining community … why don’t people ever learn …

  27. June 1, 2014 10:07 am

    “Drug testing dole recipients (Kiwi model) is not a good idea..”

    The Abbott Govt seems hell bent on punishing people who are already struggling with problems.

    What next, stopping childcare payments for battered wives?

  28. egg permalink
    June 1, 2014 10:23 am

    ‘why don’t people ever learn …’

    Dunno, perhaps established culture slows things down and if the political will to bring about constructive change is absent… then they won’t learn.

    ‘Why? After its insults at the Blogmeister and others here its a wonder he’s still here?’

    Yeah, I pulled him up on that. He appears as someone who has gone completely mad, stuck in the Howard years and repeating his mantra infinitum, best not take him too seriously.

    My obsession is practically cured.

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2014 10:26 am

    “Why? After its insults at the Blogmeister and others here its a wonder he’s still here”

    Insults at the Blogmeister?? I may have told Reb off once or twice but that is about it.

    I am the one usually who gets the insults. I respond back from time to time.

    But let us hope Abbott gets the budget back into surplus. Apparently we were heading for $667B of debt if nothing was done.

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2014 10:28 am

    Many employers do pre employment drug and alcohol testing and there’ll be more of it, not less.

    People on the dole will be disqualifying themselves from lots of jobs if they’re using drugs.

  31. egg permalink
    June 1, 2014 10:32 am

    ‘The Abbott Govt seems hell bent on punishing people who are already struggling with problems.’

    They haven’t agreed to anything, its a States matter, so the NZ model is unlikely to see the light of day. The US model of drug law reform is the logical way to go.

  32. egg permalink
    June 1, 2014 10:42 am

    ‘People on the dole will be disqualifying themselves from lots of jobs if they’re using drugs.’

    That’s true and why I’m suggesting Abbott’s Green Army would be a suitable starting point for those wanting to return to the workforce.

  33. egg permalink
    June 1, 2014 11:23 am

    Talking to a miner last night who said all the lads pay handsomely for a masking drug, those on welfare can’t afford it.

  34. egg permalink
    June 1, 2014 11:28 am

    Abbott gives the thumbs down to drug testing.

    “As far as I am aware you couldn’t even do that kind of thing without the cooperation of the states,” he said, before asserting that the proposal was “not likely” to be adopted.’

  35. June 1, 2014 12:02 pm

    “Insults at the Blogmeister?? I may have told Reb off once or twice but that is about it.”

    I recall being called “immoral scum” …. (amongst other things).

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2014 12:35 pm

    “I recall being called “immoral scum”

    Was that addressed at you specifically or ALP supporters in general??

    I do say things i regret from time to time. Usually after i get abused myself.

    But i do not find myself in agreement with ALP supporters on anything. They seem to tell falsehoods most of the time which drives me nut

    For the one millionith time over at the Cafe i was told Costello paid off debt by asset sales only. And i had to reply for the one millionith time that Costello ran $100B in surplus budgets AND $70B of asset sales. So he saved $170B over 11 years.

    This enabled $96B of debt to be paid off and $70B to be put into a new fund, the Future Fund

  37. egg permalink
    June 1, 2014 1:08 pm

    ‘Was that addressed at you specifically or ALP supporters in general??’

    From memory it was specifically aimed at the cast and crew of Trash who vote ALP, stemming from asylum seeker loss of life on the high seas.

    Not wishing to cramp your style, but you might like to consider reinventing yourself. The future is more exciting than the past.

  38. June 1, 2014 1:23 pm

    “Was that addressed at you specifically or ALP supporters in general??”

    You specifically named me, TB and Toiletboss.

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2014 1:51 pm

    ‘immoral scum’ really isn’t suitable in polite company, and GT is very polite.

  40. June 1, 2014 2:13 pm

    I can live with scum, but immoral just seems a tad too judgemental for my liking.

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2014 3:25 pm

    Was that addressed at you specifically or ALP supporters in general??

    I do say things i regret from time to time. Usually after i get abused myself.

    … They seem to tell falsehoods most of the time which drives me nut

    Now I get it Dementia 101 … only the “enemy” remains the same …

    … immoral just seems a tad too judgemental …

    As if … 🙂

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 1, 2014 3:32 pm

    That’s very generous Sir reb, I was trying to decide whether ‘immoral’ or ‘scum’ is more offensive.

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2014 3:35 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-tells-andrew-bolt-that-attacks-on-his-family-have-been-hurtful-and-upsetting/story-fncynjr2-1226938791614

    Tony Abbott, the architect of personal bombs and insults … calls the truth an attack (or News Ltd does) – ie his daughters both get a run at their jobs from “the network” …

    … the charity nonsense is just that, a nonsense, Tim Matheson was out of order … but far from the days of, Alan Jones/Tony Abbott, saying Julia Gillard’s father “died in shame” …

    Bullies and generally nasty people always seem to blubber …

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2014 3:39 pm

    I was trying to decide whether ‘immoral’ or ‘scum’ is more offensive.

    Well it was pretty obvious, ToM, in sreb’s case he’s a WCP, so he’s already floated to the top … so scum doesn’t count at all …

    … in my case its simple defecation (as Abbott might say) … I’m neither immoral (and I have tried, believe me, I have), nor a WCP … so both terms are insulting to, moi …

  45. egg permalink
    June 1, 2014 4:03 pm

    Somebody here recently called me a cnt, which I think you will agree tops scum.

  46. June 1, 2014 4:06 pm

    yes, but you are a cunt egg.

  47. egg permalink
    June 1, 2014 4:22 pm

    * chuckle *

    Leftoids are so amusing.

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2014 4:29 pm

    This party’s getting too rough … give me mi pants back I’m off …

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2014 6:17 pm

    What a magic story! A must read!

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/peter-mercurio-found-his-baby-in-a-new-york-city-subway-station/story-fnet08xa-1226938902063

    WOW!

    So many things I can relate to in this story … when I was 21 and The Minister 19, she informed me one Saturday afternoon that, “we were pregnant” … whoa!

    (We had met when I was 19) … my silly reply was … we’d better get an engagement ring this arvo … or something like that … (we both knew we’d get married anyway)

    My old man was funny … came in from work the following week … (The Minister had dinner every Friday with my family) … “I hope you two are proud of yourselves” … me … “As a matter of fact, Dad, we are” … not clever …

    Still 45 years later … 🙂

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2014 6:48 pm

    …I love Clive James books, but apparently he’s a little out of favour with “left” types. I don’t know why, probably because “left” types object to any artistic person who isn’t in lock step with their standard, off the shelf positions…

    I like james’ writings too, i didn’t know he was out of favour, I thought his problem was due to his 8 yr affair with leanne edelston that made his wife of 40 odd years kick him out of the house. maybe people sympathised with his wife.

    Drug testing dole recipients (Kiwi model) is not a good idea…

    Perhaps he thinks it’ll win back the conservative pensioners with a tough on druggies [because they are the problem with australia] approach. Somehow, I think he won’t, the oldies will be too afraid of the poorhouse with their pension and medicare cuts!

    Apparently we were heading for $667B of debt if nothing was done.

    i guess doubling the debt ceiling and adding to the debt has given him much more room to borrow, rather than decrease debt [while conveniently blame labor for all of it].

    Does abbot and co really think the drug testing is going to do anything. he must be desperate for a poll rise. Perhaps he should look at the reason why these people are anaesthetising their minds? Anything to do with their shit lives? That’s not really a conservative ‘thing’ though, to reason why, they just blame the victims and expect that some punishing, brutal poverty and a kick in the guts is all they need.
    They are the opposite way with business, they reckon business needs an incentive of taxpayers money to change their behaviour, completely arse about politics and values, imo.

  51. TB Queensland permalink
    June 1, 2014 7:04 pm

    Perhaps he should look at the reason why these people are anaesthetising their minds? Anything to do with their shit lives? That’s not really a conservative ‘thing’ though, to reason why, they just blame the victims and expect that some punishing, brutal poverty and a kick in the guts is all they need.

    KiLler comment! KL! Exactly! Look for the kause rather than attempt to deal with the symptom!

  52. Tom R permalink
    June 1, 2014 9:08 pm

    yes, but you are a cunt egg.

    Hard to argue with.

    Which brings me to this

    Kitty comrade TomR took me out of context

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/05/27/you-will-pay-to-be-told-that-the-budget-is-good-for-you/#comment-59502

    Considering your posts have very little actual context, you are going to have to pinpoint EXACTLY where this took place egg.

  53. Tom R permalink
    June 1, 2014 9:12 pm

    they just blame the victims

    Interesting line Kitty, considering tabots “poor widdle me” appearance on bolt today. What an absolute tosser, after his time spent as abuser in chief of Gillard and continual personal attacks on her in the most despicable manners, his crocodile tears now are just pathetic. Imagine his reaction should he be truly victimised as Gillard was by him and his conservative pack rats.

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 1, 2014 9:34 pm

    “after his time spent as abuser in chief of Gillard and continual personal attacks on her in the most despicable manners,”

    You will have to refresh my memory about these attacks.

    There was that ditch the witch sign when he was speaking but apparently that sign went up after he started speaking.

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2014 9:43 pm

    I watched a bit of that online when i got home from work tonight, might have been TB’s link.
    What a soft interview from the most boring voice and face on television, andrew bolt. I flicked over half way through because it’s just embarrassing stuff.
    Andrew’s dorothy dixer’s just like one of those ‘australian story’ ABC jobs where they try to make someone look human. Abbott with his shaking hands, looking like he’s throttling someone, deep frown of concentration to remember rehearsed lies lines and his lip smacking and umming and ahhing, plus bolt’s drone, both looking like pancake made-up zombies! Quite a turn off.

    I don’t think anyone has one iota of sympathy for him, most people I know saying he deserves everything he gets and more, the daughter stuff has not gone down well after the harsh budget and all the lies.

    Interesting reading again from mike seccombe

    Abbott’s faceless men:
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/05/31/abbotts-faceless-men-the-ipa/1401458400#.U4sOv_na6So

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2014 9:48 pm

    There was that ditch the witch sign when he was speaking but apparently that sign went up after he started speaking.

    whatever neil 🙄

    Abbott and his mates only organised the entire thing and were happy to get up there some kind of lynch mob to further inflame the little band of middle aged bigots.

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2014 10:40 pm

    Let’s see how this goes.

    Abbott Takes Another Step Closer To His Own D-Day:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/06/01/abbott-takes-another-step-closer-his-own-d-day

    …And within a couple of paragraphs, Abbott had managed to turn what should have been the most simple of political messages – I like diggers, and diggers like me – into a blatant party political about the removal of the carbon and mining taxes.

    Yep, you read that right. D-Day to ‘no carbon tax’ in one deft move.

    By late evening, as the issue blew up on social media, the media release had been removed from the PM’s site. But unfortunately for the PM’s IT boffins, they forgot to remove the promotion of the media release from the PM’s home page, leading Bernard Keane of Crikey to describe it as the ‘worst cover up’ ever to his Twittter followers…

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2014 10:48 pm

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2014 11:06 pm

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2014 11:22 pm

    https://twitter.com/CMRanapia/status/473036343233085440

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 1, 2014 11:28 pm

    https://twitter.com/crazyjane13/status/473063046164647936

  62. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2014 6:34 am

    jesus h Kitty, what kind of a a winker would even have that as a “draft” (a draft that got put on his website AND youtube. Like we believe that)

    There are times this bozzo even makes egg look positively benign. It will be interesting to watch the hate media go to town on this one. You recall how Gillard was ridiculed for her pronouncing words. this should go off (sarc alert) Actually, I think NM has it -pegged

    New Matilda is awaiting comment from the Prime Minister’s office. At the risk of putting words into the spinner’s mouths, the response is likely to be something along the lines of ‘… we never removed the story, the link just broke… by itself… oh, look over there, a unicorn!’

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/06/01/abbott-takes-another-step-closer-his-own-d-day

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2014 8:22 am

    Finally … proof of why we REALLY send young men and women to war!!

    The man is a charlatan …

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2014 8:26 am

    A D-Day In The Life of Tony Abbott, or, Tony Abbott – Another Day Another Gaffe …

  65. June 2, 2014 8:50 am

    Spongecake?…between Neil’s ears you say?…never!

  66. June 2, 2014 9:39 am

    “what kind of a a winker”

    LOL 😆

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 2, 2014 9:44 am

    Did one of Gillard’s old media advisors write that ‘message’ for Abbott? It looks like a joke.

    No one with media training could have written it.

  68. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2014 9:46 am

    yomm has to try the Gillard Unicorn

    Well done there old boy, nothing says barracker like u do 😉

    Vociferously 🙂

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2014 9:53 am

    It looks like a joke.

    Obviously not to our fearless leader … and if he said it he WEARS IT!

    Not whoever wrote it …

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 2, 2014 2:03 pm

    I just received an email – Dan Murphy has 2008 Penfolds 389 for $60 a bottle (in a 6 pack), that’s good value!

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2014 4:14 pm

    “the little band of middle aged bigots.

    What is with this casual slander?

    Mostly they were people, like my wife, making a trip to Canberra, participating in a demo for the first time in their lives. They were protesting against a cynical lying government and for that they are vilified by dumb hypocritical leftist fuckwits who are happy enough to excuse violent extremists on their own side. Imagine the caterwauling if they had jostled Gillard the way Bishop was recently treated!

    Seriously, have a look at yourself in the mirror. Why attack people because they are middle-aged? Only a bigot would do that.

  72. June 2, 2014 4:22 pm

    “They were protesting against a cynical lying government and for that they are vilified by dumb hypocritical leftist fuckwits “

    What is with this casual slander?

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2014 4:24 pm

    That isn’t casual. It is specific to those doing the vilifying, of which there are plenty.

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2014 4:25 pm

    Chuckle … great minds … 🙂

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2014 4:26 pm

    LOL! 🙂 🙂

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 2, 2014 4:26 pm

    Do you want formal slander?
    Is your wife middle aged like yourself (I think we’ve had some history to show that) in which case – I rest my case 😉
    Anyway what’s slanderous?
    It’s OK to be a bigot 😉

  77. June 2, 2014 4:29 pm

    “It’s OK to be a bigot “

    Exactly. What exactly is this unhealthy obsession with so-called bigots anyway.

    It’s fkn UnAustralian.

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 2, 2014 4:33 pm

    🙂

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2014 4:46 pm

    And in other news … 🙂

  80. June 2, 2014 6:17 pm

    Well, it was certainly a little band.

    Not quite the same magnitude as post 2014 budget public protestation.

  81. June 2, 2014 6:23 pm

    I note…very minimal condemnation of AbbottCorp for using the (always politically useful) diggers to make a political masturbatory assault, from Abbott’s fellow travellers.
    Much easier for them to just remain silent, rather than have to come up with elaborate apologetics for virtually indefensible jingowankery masquerading as ‘commemoration’.

    It’s not very hard to predict what type of wailing & gnashing such an overt miscalculation would have provoked from them, had it originated from Shorten/Gillard/Rudd…

    On that note…I simply must check what Bolt’s had to say about this today…guffaw!

  82. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 2, 2014 6:50 pm

    “It’s OK to be a bigot “

    Obviously you think bigotry is OK when practiced by you. Most sane people think that bigots, like everyone else, should have a right to free speech but they still detest bigotry.

    Glib idiocy doesn’t become you, nor does ageism.

    “Is your wife middle aged like yourself (I think we’ve had some history to show that) in which case – I rest my case “

    Yet you spat it out as an insult – unhinged and demented as Malcolm would put it.

    It may have been a little band, TBoss, but come polling day their numbers had swelled. The funny thing is how upset lefties are when other people exercise their right to protest.

  83. egg permalink
    June 2, 2014 6:54 pm

    ‘Yet you spat it out as an insult –’

    Leftoids are renowned for it.

  84. June 2, 2014 7:08 pm

    Oooooh, el gordo has shit on the liver…

  85. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2014 7:36 pm

    el gordo has shit on the liver

    must’ve seeped down from the mouth.

    I note he hasn’t pinpointed the “context” yet

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/05/30/rostrum-toons-and-loons-edition/#comment-59737

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2014 7:37 pm

    Oooooh, el gordo has shit on the liver…

    Not the only one …

    Wasn’t it, Brandis, that said it was OK to be a bigot – in fact attempting to make it legal?

    Now most people I know who lean a little to the left think he should leave the law alone …

    … but its the folk who lean to the right who agree with him …

    Au contraire …

    Eye of the beholder, I suppose …

  87. Tom R permalink
    June 2, 2014 7:45 pm

    Most sane people think that bigots, like everyone else, should have a right to free speech

    most? Loudest perhaps, but not most

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-30/george-brandis-ill-informed-on-right-to-be-bigots/5375302

  88. June 2, 2014 8:22 pm

    “It may have been a little band, TBoss, but come polling day their numbers had swelled. The funny thing is how upset lefties are when other people exercise their right to protest.”

    Of course you are correct, SB.
    But, the same could be said about current public unrest regarding the budget…on all aspects of your comment.

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    June 2, 2014 8:23 pm

    Most sane people think that bigots, like everyone else, should have a right to free speech but they still detest bigotry.

    You missed the bit off the end, TR …

  90. Sane Sheeple permalink
    June 2, 2014 9:02 pm

    I’ve got no clever leftoid snark tweets to post. Hopefully toons tunes are still okay.

  91. Kevin Pacino permalink
    June 2, 2014 9:35 pm

    Art imitates art …

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 3, 2014 10:26 am

    It may have been a little band, TBoss, but come polling day their numbers had swelled. The funny thing is how upset lefties are when other people exercise their right to protest.”

    What do you have to support that assertion? ‘lefties’ like to see people protesting about issues, like to see some passion and interest shown by a usually apathetic population at large. No-one condemned their right to protest at all, more condemned the ignorance shown and the lies and propaganda being peddled at the carbon tax rallies and throughout the media by mining interests and their paid megaphones. You can hardly complain about the obvious demographic of the carbon tax protesters either, ‘lefties’ didn’t produce these people, they came forth themselves and were absolutely feral about gillard.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/protesting-against-the-carbon-tax-one-sitdown-at-a-time-20120822-24muw.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/southern-crossroads/2013/may/17/australia-carbon-price-labor-polling

    i don’t agree that people voted to get rid of the carbon tax, just because abbott & co say so, doesn’t make it true. People voted labour out, they wanted rid of the nastiness and the govt instability, which abbott with the help of rudd, is largely responsible for. They paid the price for the thomson, slipper and obeid scandals too.

    people of all kinds, more in numbers than the anti-tax protesters attended rallies protesting the repeal of the carbon tax across the nation

    http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/522956/20131118/climate-change-australia-tony-abbott-coalition-greens.htm#.U40Sv_na6So

  93. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 10:37 am

    they wanted rid of the nastiness

    Well, on the upside, the unhingement has abated 😉

    A large price to pay, to be sure. I prefer a robust and fair economy over rabid, inane media hacks spouting petty viciousness in place of political analysis.

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 3, 2014 10:46 am

    Yet you spat it out as an insult – unhinged and demented as Malcolm would put it.

    now that is utter BS, i’m sorry if your feeling a bit sensitive but my first insinct is that you were looking for something, anything to mount a rant/attack about your usual ‘left vs right’ wars, it’s a bit silly imo. I happen to be middle aged myself, I have adult children [which i’ve mentioned on numerous occasions]. sorry, but the anti carbon tax demographic is middle aged, mostly male and white, the whole global warming issue splits along generational lines.

    http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/nuttiness-to-ensure-big-anti-carbon-tax-rallies-planned-for-next-week-im-excited-are-you/

    …So who are these voices of the past? A mix of climate deniers, conservative columnists, right-wing shock jocks and the big polluters are driving the scare campaign over a carbon price. There’s also a high level of involvement from politicians from the far right of the Liberal Party such as Corey Bernardi and Eric Abetz — egged on by Abbott.

    The people they’re targeting to be part of their so-called “people’s revolt” are overwhelmingly senior citizens. Jacques Laxale, the man behind the national climate denier and anti-pollution price rallies starting tomorrow in Melbourne, said last week on Melbourne’s MTR radio that, “a lot of the response has come from people over 60s and in their 70s . . . nothing will stop them” coming to the rallies.

    On the other hand, the strongest and most eloquent spokespeople for taking action on climate change are not the government or the representatives of the big environment organisations, but are instead mostly young people.”…

    young, educated, pro science, research and a clean energy future [there are also a lot of middle aged people like me who support progress and environmental protection in there too]

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 3, 2014 10:51 am

    more from the same link, which also reflects how i feel

    …I’m voting with the “kids” on this one.

    And I’m not being “ageist”.

    I know for a fact many of my readers belong to older demographics and are moderate in their politics and accepting of the science.

    I’m in my early 40′s, so I can’t claim to “Speak for da yoof” of today.

    However it is true… “angry white male syndrome” is helping fuel the “denial movement”.

    “How dare you tell me how what to believe…. coz back in my day…not real science…you bloody kids, get off my lawn!”

    To be frank, I expect next week’s protests to play like a really cheap, sad version of the Tea Party “events” in the US.

    Should be amusing…

  96. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:09 am

    What is it with older white men?

  97. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:09 am

    For perspective

  98. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:11 am

    or was it this?

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:15 am

    What is it with older white men?

    I take it that’s a rhetorical question … like … what is it with younger, white, women?

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:17 am

    Go Clivey?

    What an enigma!

  101. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:17 am

    Perhaps it was just “Ironic” TB 😉

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:28 am

    Perhaps it was just “Ironic” TB

    egg have no iron, to my knowledge, TR … 😉

  103. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:33 am

    egg have no iron, to my knowledge, TR

    But the inverse is undoubtedly true 🙂

    http://www.mtv.com/news/1508028/iron-maiden-pelted-with-eggs-at-final-ozzfest-performance/

  104. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:34 am

    gutless bullies that should have been

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 3, 2014 11:53 am

    I’m sorry that you have such a tenuous grasp of logic, KL. An argument based on demographic hearsay says nothing about the scientific truth of the underlying issue. While I’m sure that argument is highly persuasive to those who have already closed their minds on this issue it is unlikely to be of any use to someone looking for reasoned argument.

    On the other hand, the spittle-flecked stupidity of that rant does provide an insight into the single-celled mind of the climate jihadist. The author, whoever it is, is clearly as dumb as dogshit.

  106. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 12:25 pm

    climate jihadist 😯

    Sounds like spittle-flecked stupidity to me 😆

    Of course, it could just be “irony” 😉

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 3, 2014 12:51 pm

    The whole argument is about scientific truth sb and the willingness of certain people to set aside logic and scientific research for an ignorant belief based on hearsay and misinformation. People preferring partisan politics encouraging denial of accepted science for nothing but vested interests of a powerful industry.

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 3, 2014 12:54 pm

    “Of course it could be called irony”

    Or ‘casual slander’ 🙂

    Wouldn’t want to point out the hypocrisy 😉

  109. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 12:59 pm

    lefties do “slander”, rwdbs do “irony”

    It’s a simple precept to maintain AO 😉

  110. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 3, 2014 1:30 pm

    I was looking for a rational argument. All I saw was a half-arsed rant devoid of facts and logic. It may play well in kindergartens and among the juvenile left.

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 3, 2014 1:50 pm

    BTW reb
    I like the new header, doesn’t scream at me like the red banner!
    And doesn’t attract the eye of anyone at work looking over my shoulder (an added bonus)

  112. June 3, 2014 1:52 pm

    Thanks AO… 🙂

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2014 2:10 pm

    Sorry to butt in …

    A POWERFUL form of protest used for many years in China, Vietnam and India has found its way to Australia — people setting themselves on fire.

    The extreme act of suicide — known as self-immolation — has seen two Tamil asylum seekers set themselves alight in the past two months, with at least one of the men blaming his actions on being denied a visa to stay in Australia.
    Why is self-immolation happening in Australia?

    Mr Grant has pointed to the Immigration Minister’s comments in October that suggested that those seeking asylum from Sri Lanka would not be resettled in Australia.

    Mr Morrison said then: “Anyone who may have come from Sri Lanka should know that they will go back to Sri Lanka.

    “We have an arrangement with the Sri Lankan government and … we’ll be ensuring that we maximise those who go back and, preferably, they will all go back”.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/tamil-asylum-seekers-choose-selfimmolation-as-despair-over-their-future-in-australia-becomes-overwhelming/story-fndir2ev-1226941266530

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    All I saw was a half-arsed rant devoid of facts and logic.

    Chuckle …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thanks AO…

    Ignored my comment on the subject yesterday … typical … 🙄

  114. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2014 2:19 pm

    Sorry to butt in …”

    So how many of these people do you think we should take? There are 20-40 million asylum seekers around the world.

    Put a number on it.

  115. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 2:24 pm

    20-40 million 😉

  116. egg permalink
    June 3, 2014 2:29 pm

    Its a big island Neil.

  117. June 3, 2014 2:36 pm

    “Its a big island Neil.”

    It certainly is…

  118. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2014 2:53 pm

    Well the lefties i have met think humans are a pest on the planet. They think we should have a population of about 8 million people in Australia.

    So i am suspicious when lefties want more boat people/ more immigrant people/more people.

    Lefties i have met want a cull of the Australian population to 8 million people.

  119. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 3:03 pm

    Lefties i have met

    sounds like a good idea for a telemovie 🙂

  120. egg permalink
    June 3, 2014 3:05 pm

    ‘more immigrant people/more people.’

    Its now unavoidable, but instead of asylum seekers it will be cashed up Chinese.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/18/what-you-need-know-about-new-chinese-wealth-flowing-australia

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 3, 2014 3:09 pm

    “How many how many how many?”

    How many times do you need to ask the same question over and over neil?

    Do you have a comprehension problem?

    Where does your total of 8 mill people in Australia & cull the rest figure come from?

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2014 3:10 pm

    Well the lefties i have met …

    I wonder just what a “leftie” is in Kneel’s tiny mind?

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2014 3:19 pm

    “How many times do you need to ask the same question over and over neil?”

    Until i get an answer.

    What population do you think we should aim for?

    Twenty, Fourty, Eighty, Two Hundred Million??

    Like i said i am suspicious of the motives of Greens who want more asylum seekers.

  124. June 3, 2014 3:28 pm

    “Like i said i am suspicious of the motives of Greens who want more asylum seekers.”

    What, you mean more than is currently available?

    Are you saying that there is some kind of shortage?

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 3, 2014 4:42 pm

    You’ve been answered before its one of the th in go you conveniently forget.
    Just check previous posts, I know I’ve answered you before.
    Where does the culling at 8 million reference come from? I’d be interested to see it.

  126. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 3, 2014 4:48 pm

    “The lefties I have met” by Neil of sydney, Co – authored by splatter bottom with input and observations from toys.
    It’ll be a bestseller, right up there with my “diary of comings and goings in an elevator” 🙂

  127. egg permalink
    June 3, 2014 5:42 pm

    ‘What population do you think we should aim for?’

    There is a consensus, it’ll be over 40 million by 2050.

  128. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2014 6:26 pm

    “There is a consensus, it’ll be over 40 million by 2050

    But the Greens hate people. We are a pest on the planet according to them.

  129. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 6:27 pm

    We are a pest on the planet according to them

    Perhaps they were just speaking about you specifically 😉

  130. egg permalink
    June 3, 2014 6:32 pm

    Neil its only a Green splinter group that goes for zero population.

    ‘The state Greens say “part of reducing our ecological footprint requires reducing the rate of population growth”.

    “The Greens will aim to stabilise South Australia’s population within a generation,” its policy platform says.

    Mark Parnell, an upper house MP and leader of the Greens in South Australia, said “zero population growth on this planet is absolutely inevitable”. He said he did not agree with federal initiatives for couples to have more than two children.

    “We’d prefer that government policy wasn’t aimed at population growth.”

    ‘He acknowledged that the state policy on population growth was different from that of the federal Greens and other states.’

    Owen / Oz

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 3, 2014 6:37 pm

    But where does this 11 million and culling the human population come from???

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2014 6:47 pm

    This’ll fry Kneel’s brain …

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/84074889D69E738CCA257A5A00120A69?opendocument

    Mmmm he may not read it …

    The cultural and linguistic diversity of Australia’s resident population has been reshaped over many years by migration. Historically, more people immigrate to, than emigrate from, Australia. At 30 June 2011, 27% of the estimated resident population was born overseas (6.0 million people). This was an increase from ten years earlier at 23.1% (4.5 million people).

    Strangely Russians* don’t seem to figure … (*a Kneel obsession)

  133. June 3, 2014 7:05 pm

    The RUSSIANS are AMONG US

    * squirt, squirt…

  134. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 3, 2014 7:10 pm

    TB

    What is your accusation??

    I was just stating a fact. The Greens hate humans and think humans are a pest on the planet.

    They want zero population growth.

    So i am suspicious about greenoids who want open borders and unlimited asylum seekers.

  135. Tom R permalink
    June 3, 2014 7:23 pm

    I was just stating a fact

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  136. June 3, 2014 7:28 pm

    Neil speaks for The Greens now.

    He KNOWS what they want.

    It has nothing to do with him absorbing partisan bilge from sources who tell him what they want him to think that they ‘want’.

  137. egg permalink
    June 3, 2014 7:36 pm

    ‘They want zero population growth.’

    A Green splinter group believe in zero population growth.

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2014 8:21 pm

    So what’s wrong with this advert?

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    June 3, 2014 8:23 pm

    … humans are a pest on the planet. …

    I can understand how you would believe that …

  140. Tony permalink
    June 4, 2014 2:19 pm

    Doc Neeson.

  141. egg permalink
    June 5, 2014 10:10 am

    Hubots on the rise.

    ‘ROBOTS may be poised to enter a new frontier in the workplace — but that doesn’t mean the public is ready for it.

    ‘After taking root in factories in the 1960s, robots gradually moved into jobs requiring rudimentary thinking such as data processing and banking services. The next wave of the invasion is going to include jobs that are highly social and emotional. Robots will drive taxis, sell real estate and work as library assistants, sports referees and healthcare assistants.’

    WSJ

  142. egg permalink
    June 6, 2014 6:55 am

    ‘Labor’s nanny state push to kill off the country’s addiction to cigarettes with plain packaging has backfired, with new sales figures showing tobacco consumption growing during the first full year of the new laws.

    ‘Eighteen months after the previous government’s laws came into force, new data, obtained by The Australian, shows that tobacco sales volumes increased by 59 million “sticks”, or individual cigarettes or their roll-your-own equivalents last year.’

    Kerr / Oz

    Oh well, back to the drawing board. I was so looking forward to seeing alcohol with plain packaging and large signs blazooned (sic) across every item, ‘even sniffing this shit will grotesquely shorten your life.’

  143. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:01 am

    Oh well, back to the drawing board.

    What, coz the oz says so. Last time they ran this kind of story, it turned out to be a poll by the tobacco industry, that in turn turned out to be bullshit.

    …..

    Oh, silly me, look at the story

    The 0.3 per cent increase, though modest, goes against a 15.6 per slide in tobacco sales over the previous four years

    A 0.3 increase in pre-rolled cigarettesales in one year AFTER A 15.6% decrease in OVERALL TOBACCO sales previously. How long have these laws been in now?

    I didn’t read the rest completely (what a mind numbingly collection of carefully selected cherry picked numbers), but I wonder if the number of overall tobacco sales has continued to go down or not? Not enough black ink to inform dear reader of that. It appears that cheap ciggies are taking over the expensive brands, which sort of proves how much influence packaging had.

    Me, I’ll go with this statement. Interesting that their figures weren’t shown in this “infommercial” for Phillip Morris, lack of black ink again perhaps?

    Opposition health spokeswoman Catherine King said she would rely on data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics instead of the industry.

    The oz ROFL. Continuing to lie to the Australian public, daily 😉

  144. egg permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:06 am

    ‘I didn’t read the rest completely (what a mind numbingly collection of carefully selected cherry picked numbers),’

    Typical hate media tactic.

  145. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:11 am

    And Doc Neeson, what a sad loss.

  146. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:16 am

    Typical hate media tactic.

    Then highlight for me the information that is pertinent to the discussion, not the cherry picked outlier they have used.

  147. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:22 am

    Any time you are ready egg?

    I did try to read it, but my mind was dulled by the irrelevance of the article.

    He made a big claim at the start, but for the life of me, I couldn’t find the data to support it. That is the effect of the “hate media” Dull their readers to ignorance 🙂

  148. egg permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:40 am

    I fancy we need an independent audit.

  149. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:11 am

    I fancy we need an independent audit.

    Something like the Australian Bureau of Statistics?

    So, you are saying you cannot find anything in the article to support the authors (lol) claim that plain packaging has “failed”?

  150. Bookish Behaviour permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:19 am

    Nick Gillespie: “Can you believe those…those…those…sons of bitches at Amazon? After launching almost 20 years ago and making virtually every book—new, used, dead-tree, electronic, audio, and I’m guessing any day now, olfactory—available to everyone in America at good-to-great prices, the company’s true character now stands revealed. It’s not pretty, folks. Despite a huge market share, Amazon apparently still wants books, especially the e-books that everyone agrees are the future of the medium, to be cheaper than what publishers and big-name authors want you to pay for them.”

  151. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:22 am

    Amazon apparently still wants books, especially the e-books that everyone agrees are the future of the medium, to be cheaper than what publishers and big-name authors want you to pay for them

    BASTARDS! 😉

    What about small name authors?

    How DARE a company have the gall to offer up competitiveness! AND do it better, by offering up what costumers actually want.

  152. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:25 am

    The adults lead the charge

    What is informing the policy agenda of Abbott’s government is not expertise, practicality or even research – something which is clear from their worrying lack of clarity

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/05/does-the-coalition-understand-its-own-policies-evidence-says-no

  153. Shirley Not permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:31 am

    Just this week, the Australian Bureau of Statistics released the national accounts and buried in those accounts is a measure of the volume of household consumption of cigarettes and tobacco.

    The figures from the ABS show that total consumption of tobacco and cigarettes in the March quarter 2014 is the lowest ever recorded – and this with the series starting in 1959. This is extraordinary. It is a Great Depression for tobacco sales.

    Making this record low consumption of tobacco all the more fantastic is that the fact that the consumption numbers are not adjusted for population growth which, by definition, means per capita consumption of tobacco and cigarettes is also at a record low.

    Making a mockery of The Australian’s story is the fact that, in seasonally adjusted volume terms, consumption of tobacco is 5.3 per cent lower in the March quarter 2014 than in the December quarter 2012 when the plain packaging laws were introduced.

    It seems like The Australian is pushing, in a high profile front page story, baseless information fed to it from pressure groups with a vested interest to sell more tobacco and cigarettes. With sales cascading, there are looking for any pressure to change the rules that are obviously working to reduce tobacco consumption.

    http://thekouk.com/blog/the-australian-s-claim-on-tobacco-go-up-in-smoke.html#.U5D7riihXaJ

  154. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:45 am

    Shirley Not Shirley Not 😉

    Thanks for that. Looks like the Kouk has the data the oz couldn’t, wouldn’t, didn’t want to find. 😉

    The oz lies on display AGAIN!

  155. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:52 am

    “”…………in seasonally adjusted volume terms, consumption of tobacco is 5.3 per cent lower in the March quarter 2014 than in the December quarter 2012 when the plain packaging laws were introduced.””

    Why not compare to the previous quarter ?

    Just more cherry picking by a very discredited writer.

    How about the Price Elasticity of Demand ?

    Any analysis there ?

  156. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:04 am

    Why not compare to the previous quarter ?

    Because that’s not how stats work would probably be the most obvious answer 😯

    He is comparing the March results with previous March ones, all worked out the same way, from the same independent source.

  157. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:15 am

    Something that might interest KL (ao)

    The only trouble is that nursing – along with a range of allied health professions – risks being priced out of the market for rational economic career decisions by the budget.

    ………

    So, who would bother to become a debt slave?

    We need 109,000 extra nurses by 2025.

    http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/why_budget_reforms_are_now_in_intensive_j1fK5bsqU7EQNG6UP8kWeI

    On the upside ao, you shouldn’t have trouble finding work when you’re 69! 😉

  158. egg permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:18 am

    ‘So, you are saying you cannot find anything in the article to support the authors (lol) claim that plain packaging has “failed”?

    Not being rich and fatuous I couldn’t get behind the paywall, but thankfully you pointed out how the authors are biased in favour of big tobacco.

    If Nanny Roxon’s scheme can make a difference, then we should start a frontal attack on processed food in super markets, plus plain packaging on alcohol and an increase in the GST.

  159. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:25 am

    “”Because that’s not how stats work would probably be the most obvious answer “”

    What Crap…………………….plain packaging was introduced for all cigs produced after 1 October 2012 and all sales after 1 December 2012.

    He completely neglects price increases so he can prove his position.

    He’s useless………………………no wonder you follow him

  160. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:26 am

    but thankfully you pointed out how the authors are biased in favour of big tobacco.

    No I didn’t. I pointed out that THEY LIED!

    That’s the result of bias though, I will admit.

    If Nanny Roxon’s scheme can make a difference

    The ACTUAL data indicates that it most certainly HAS.

  161. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:32 am

    He completely neglects price increases so he can prove his position.

    price increases have been present long before plain packaging. They are inbuilt into the data. There is a reason we have the term ‘beer and ciggies” tax. It is something the Governemnts invariably raise.

    Sorry, but look elsewhere for a strawman

    He’s useless

    Except that he actually provided the raw facts that proved my statements earlier about the oz LYING! 😉

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:44 am

    “He’s useless………………………no wonder you follow him

    Walrus

    My experience with Stephen Koukoulas is that he is a patholigical liar. I would not trust anything he says until i check it out. You will notice he did not provide link to the ABS figures. So that makes me wonder.

    The article said smokers started buying lower priced cigarettes. So it is possible for consumption to be unchanged but amount spent on cigarettes to fall. What did the National accounts measure? Consumption or amount spent?

    Now i could be wrong but i have seen this so many times with lefties. It is why i appear to be such a strong Coalition supporter. The whole bunch of them are the masters of deceit.

    It is good news if true of course. Somebody is telling falsehoods. Either Koukoulas or The Australian.

  163. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:48 am

    Now i could be wrong

    ROFL 😆

  164. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:55 am

    fyi 😉

  165. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:19 am

    Well i downloaded Table 8 and could not find any volume figures.

    The Australian said smokers had switched to lower priced cigarettes. So it is possible for volume smoked to be unchanged but amount spent to fall.

    But i take your point. The media is not to be trusted. Most journalists have no special training in anything. I notice you tend to believe anything bad about the Coalition in the media. But anything bad in the media about the ALP is due to the hate media.

    But i stand by my comments about Koukoulas. He is a patholigical liar and not to be trusted.

  166. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:33 am

    Cell A13 nil, title “Cigarettes and tobacco: Chain volume measures ;”

  167. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:40 am

    I found the proof that Kouks is a f***ing idiot.

    The volumes are up and down like a yo yo

    June 2013 was up 1.1% (June 2012 down .1%) as was September 2013 up .5%. (September 2012 up 1%).

    Yeah he didn’t use those stats did he………………Nah……………….that would prove he’s a total f**wit.

    No wonder TomR likes quoting him

    Kouks is just sooooooooooooo full of crap

  168. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:48 am

    The volumes are up and down like a yo yo

    No shit shurlok. Raw data tends to do that. Funny thing is, you’ve already been there ROFL

    in seasonally adjusted volume terms

    The trend is your friend 😉

  169. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:53 am

    “”Raw data tends to do that””

    And that’s why he’s a f***ing idiot

  170. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:55 am
  171. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 12:00 pm

    “I found the proof that Kouks is a f***ing idiot.”

    No he is not. He is quite intelligent.

    But Koukoulas is a pathological liar. Which makes him dangerous. He deliberately, willfully, on purpose sets out to deceive people.

    And of course he was an adviser to Gillard.

  172. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2014 12:09 pm

    Oh I see………………now we are using the full 12 months to March 2014.

    I thought you only liked using the same quarters ?

    Like I said its more likely due to Price Elasticity. Just look at some of the larger previous decreases as per the graph.

    Where was plain packaging then ?

    I’m not against plain packaging per se but to say it has been the main cause of the fall is just utter f**king BULLSHIT

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 12:12 pm

    That graph starts in 1981. What is your point? It goes up and down, up and down but the trend is down.

  174. Kuckoo permalink
    June 6, 2014 12:15 pm

    Just had a look at those figures.

    Kouk is using ABS “volume” figures, but their unit of measurement is $ Millions, not number of sticks consumed.

    He appears to have divided the March Quarter 2014 figure of $3,405,000,000 by the population, currently estimated to be 23,514,162, to reach his per-capita figure of approx $145. What population figure did he use for previous quarters – today’s, or the population at the time? It matters.

    Even so, he hasn’t proved anything. The downward trend could very well be smokers switching to cheaper brands.

  175. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 12:37 pm

    “The downward trend could very well be smokers switching to cheaper brands.”

    That is what The Australian said. However Koukoulas could be right and The Australian wrong.

    But i want to say that no journalist/commentator upsets me more than Stephen Koukoulas.

    Koukoulas is not stupid. He is very intelligent. But he is a devil and a clever devil. I do not know how the man can live with himself. And of course Koukoulas is an ALP supporter.

  176. June 6, 2014 12:48 pm

    ”””””””””’I’m not against plain packaging per se but to say it has been the main cause of the fall is just utter f**king BULLSHIT”””””””””””

    Fully agree blubbers, for a start, they don`t/can`t measure the black market, which keeps growing, as smoke price/tax keeps growing. l see more and more `colorful` smoke-packs on my walks too. l also suspect, the so-called tax going to `medicare` is bullshit, it is probably gobbled-up in policing/customs and court/prison costs.

  177. Kuckoo permalink
    June 6, 2014 12:51 pm

    (Dividing the 1981 ABS figure of $7419 million by the 1981 per-capita figure in Kouks graph gives a population of around 14.8 million, which is about right.)

  178. June 6, 2014 1:06 pm

    ””””’I was so looking forward to seeing alcohol with plain packaging and””’

    that`s a good point dumpty, booze could have the same packaging as smokes for sure, l reckon the food making kids obese should be treated similar. lt is nonsense to say to kids, don`t smoke, don`t drink, for all the health reasons, and ignore the bad-food cause of obesity and diabetes, which will wreck their health and cost national health.

  179. egg permalink
    June 6, 2014 1:33 pm

    It’ll be terrible bagz, plain packaging is replaced by bloated livers and warnings of impending disaster if you continue consuming this product.

  180. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2014 1:39 pm

    “………….booze could have the same packaging as smokes for sure”

    Yeah………………..really good move for the Wine Export Market………………………..NOT !

    Otherwise 2 sets of labels ??????????????????

  181. egg permalink
    June 6, 2014 1:56 pm

    Filthy capitalists are poisoning the masses and have tricked an increasing number of people into working unnatural hours. Its a disgrace.

  182. June 6, 2014 2:09 pm

    ””””’Otherwise 2 sets of labels ?????????””””’

    yeah blubbers, 2-sets, Aust Govt can only regulate the `internal` product, `exports` have to comply with `destination` regs, Lots of stuff is shipped in `bulk` containers too, can`t say for wine, but `imported` beer is actually brewed by locals, tooheys, cub, etc #outsaucing 🙂

    .

    ””’It’ll be terrible bagz, plain packaging is replaced by bloated livers””’

    LOL dumpty 🙂 (and punched out piss-pots)

  183. June 6, 2014 2:20 pm

    ””””’Otherwise 2 sets of labels ?????????””””’

    What, “red” and “white?”

    I thought that’s already how TB buys his wine…

  184. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 2:33 pm

    I’m not against plain packaging per se but to say it has been the main cause of the fall is just utter f**king BULLSHIT

    So, you agree there has been a fall, in contrast to the oz story, glad you agree that the oz is lying again. 😉

    As for the “main cause” statement, the point was, the oz claimed that plain packaging was a failure because apparently tobacco use was going up based on some cherry picked numbers. No-one said the ACTUAL FALL in the numbers (#ozfail) was mainly due to plain packaging, the point was, the oz has been caught LYING again. Whether that is mainly because of the plain packaging is another debate, worth having, but only once the outright lying of the oz is addressed imo

    Kouk is using ABS “volume” figures, but their unit of measurement is $ Millions, not number of sticks consumed.

    Precisely the point tosy. The oz is using some random measure that suits their agenda, rather than the reliable and predictable (in a measuring and comparison sense) ABS figures. And, from this one off result, make a claim this is quite obviously bullshit.

  185. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 2:34 pm

    What, “red” and “white?”

    What about brown?

    Or isn’t beer a wine. 😯

  186. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 3:05 pm

    With the ABS exposing the oz lies, no wonder they are in hte firing line

    The acting Australian Statistician, Jonathan Palmer, today announced planned reductions to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) work program.
    The ABS must reduce expenditure by about $50m over three years. While the ABS has been able to implement efficiencies in its operations, these are insufficient to meet the expenditure target

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyCatalogue/745695D9AEBEFE64CA257CEE0004715C?Opendocument

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 3:47 pm

    rather than the reliable and predictable (in a measuring and comparison sense) ABS figures.

    I downloaded that ABS Table and could not find anywhere it listed volume of cigarettes sold.

    You then told me to look at Cell A13. Well i looked at cell A13 and could not see volumes of cigs sold. The Australian implied that volume sold has not changed but smokers now purchase more cheaper cigarettes. Hence the amount spent has fallen but the amount smoked has not changed.

  188. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 4:05 pm

    The Australian implied that volume sold has not changed

    No they didn’t

    They implied that there are more cigarettes being smoked, and that therefore the plain packaging hadn’t worked

  189. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 4:11 pm

    I would call a 0.3% increase in sales as no change. Most normal people would.

    Still waiting for figures showing amount of cigs sold has decreased. All i have seen is amount spent. Amount spent may not equal numbers purchased is they change to buying cheaper cigarettes.

  190. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2014 4:19 pm

    “Amount spent may not equal numbers purchased is they change to buying cheaper cigarettes”

    Yep……………people are shopping on price because no one knows if they are tight arses smoking really el cheapo cigarettes since there is no branding

  191. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 4:26 pm

    Is that right?? I have actually never purchased a pack of cigarettes. I guess they are now buying the cheapest since you imply they have no idea what they are buying.

  192. Meta permalink
    June 6, 2014 4:57 pm

    (Ciggies and freedom-from-information will always be cheaper under an Abbott-LNP Government’s Plan-Packaging???)

  193. June 6, 2014 5:06 pm

    “people are shopping on price because no one knows if they are tight arses smoking really el cheapo cigarettes since there is no branding”

    That just sounds like mere speculation…

    NTTAWWT

  194. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 5:43 pm

    I would call a 0.3% increase in sales as no change. Most normal people would.

    I AGREE!

    LABOR’S nanny state push to kill off the country’s addiction to cigarettes with plain packaging has backfired, with new sales figures showing tobacco consumption growing during the first full year of the new laws.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/labors-plain-packaging-fails-as-cigarette-sales-rise/story-fn59nokw-1226945123085#

    Emphasis on “normal” there I think nil

    The oz, LYING again!

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2014 6:08 pm

    The cancer stick industry trying to muddy the waters and change public opinion again. Hoping the libs will roll back the legislation that they know works. Why would they be such critics of plain packaging if they didn’t think it would affect profits and prevent new generations from getting addicted?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/06/labor-rejects-tobacco-industry-claim-of-plain-packaging-policy-failure

    …Figures from InfoView, which are backed by the cigarette companies Philip Morris and BATA, ran on the front page of the Australian on Friday, showing an increase of 0.3% in the volume of cigarettes being sold, but have not been adjusted to account for population growth…

    …When asked to show the raw data of the research, McIntyre replied it was “commercially sensitive”…

    …Australian Bureau of Statistics figures show a decline in smokers in Australia since 2001, a trend that continued in 2011-12, when the percentage of female smokers dropped to 16.3% and male smokers decreased to 20.4%.

    ABS figures also record a decline in the total household expenditure on tobacco and cigarettes…

  196. June 6, 2014 6:17 pm

    “Why would they be such critics of plain packaging if they didn’t think it would affect profits and prevent new generations from getting addicted?”

    Exactly AO.

    If they they are so convinced that plain packs aren’t reducing smoking, why are they so against them?

  197. Multi-Puncti permalink
    June 6, 2014 6:33 pm

    Meta(tron) is using question(ing) marks as marks of irony, is he not????

  198. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2014 6:34 pm

    Statement says Jackson knew about graft claims for a decade:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/statement-says-jackson-knew-about-graft-claims-for-a-decade-20140605-39lxx.html#ixzz33qR5Bm2I
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/statement-says-jackson-knew-about-graft-claims-for-a-decade-20140605-39lxx.html

    New ‘wealthy poor’ making less sense than dollars:
    http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/new_wealthy_poor_making_less_sense_VovcjDp9H1OTpRNI9NowMP

    Harry Smith could be making this eulogy to medicare as well as the NHS
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/04/coalition-attacks-nhs-return-britain-age-workhouse

    While the US public is crying out for a universal health care to ease the burden of a privatised industry, our governments are busy dismantling ours.

  199. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2014 6:35 pm

    Meta(tron) is using question(ing) marks as marks of irony, is he not????

    yes, he is!!!

  200. egg permalink
    June 6, 2014 6:37 pm

    Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that the process has been effective. Do we get a crack at food and alcohol, or just hold the line with tobacco?

  201. Uncle Dan permalink
    June 6, 2014 6:37 pm

    Two sets of labels: “Discount Bin” in Queensland; “Varnish Remover” everywhere else.

  202. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 7:06 pm

    McIntyre replied it was “commercially sensitive”…

    Indeed 😉

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2014 7:25 pm

    Despite a huge market share, Amazon apparently still wants books, especially the e-books that everyone agrees are the future of the medium, to be cheaper than what publishers and big-name authors want you to pay for them.”

    And what they don’t tell you is that … you only “lease” them … they’re on the cloud …

    If you own an ebook … look for epub … my Sony is epub and pdf “friendly”

    And then make sure you download Calbre …

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2014 7:30 pm

    No I didn’t. I pointed out that THEY LIED!

    Wally’s, comprehension is limited to $, %, $, % & $ % … words just fk him right up .. except PROFIT!

  205. June 6, 2014 7:47 pm

    So, apparently the Cathlick Church has been found guilty of dumping children’s bodies in sewer tanks.

    Perhaps ToSY can tell us why this was a good idea…

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-05/almost-800-irish-children-dumped-in-septic-tank-mass-grave/5501482

  206. In_the_sticks permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:01 pm

    Reb, I’m guessing the answer will look something like “Yes, but ISLAM….!!!”

  207. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:21 pm

    “The oz, LYING again!”

    Maybe not. You still have not said what the ABS data is. Is it volume of cigs sold or amount spent?? The article did say people are switching to lower priced cigarettes and volume is constant or a slight increase.

    It would not surprise me if plain packaging does not work in reducing tobacco consumption. The ALP is the party of the unforseen stuffup. Something always happens to stop an ALP program working like it should.

    They abolished the Pacific Solution and this lead to a flood of economic immigrants while refugees were stuck in UNHCR camps.

  208. Keep Trying permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:21 pm

    “Perhaps ToSY can tell us why this was a good idea…”

    Sorry to disappoint, but he doesn’t think it was a good idea at all, so won’t be taking the bait.

  209. Hiding In Plain Sight permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:27 pm

    (Shirley Not and In_th_-sticks have the faint whiff of N5 about them.)

  210. In_the_sticks permalink
    June 6, 2014 8:59 pm

    Maybe that’s your own rancid odour that you’re picking up on….

  211. Olfactory Nerve permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:09 pm

    Maybe. But the smell of Nature5 is pretty distinctive. It smells like spitefulness with a dash vindictiveness.

  212. In_the_sticks permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:19 pm

    As opposed to loneliness, with a spritz of mindless adherence to far-right ideology ?

  213. Cowards Castle permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:22 pm

    Suspicions confirmed.

  214. In_the_sticks permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:30 pm

    Wrong. Try again…..

  215. Peejay permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:31 pm

    ‘There is no such thing, of course, as “free” education. Somebody has to pay. In systems with no charges those somebodies are all taxpayers. This is a pretty important point: a “free” higher education system is one paid for by the taxes of all, the majority of whom haven’t had the privilege of a university education. Ask yourself if you think that is a fair thing.’

    Which rightwingnutnutjobteabag said that?

  216. Dead-end Street permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:34 pm

    “Wrong. Try again…..”

    I’m good, but thanks for asking.

  217. In_the_sticks permalink
    June 6, 2014 9:52 pm

    Yes yes, we all know that quote comes from Paul Keating

    Next game – does anyone recall the ‘socialist’ tub of guts who was caught on film as a student moaning about actually having to contribute financially to his own higher education ??

    (Hint: It’s the current Treasurer)

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:36 pm

    yes, I know that taxpayers pay for a ‘free’ health and education system, I’m not stupid, I like it like that. I resent the government trying to sell the rubbish economics of the teabags to us. I’d rather taxpayers invest in health & education than be forced to support private wealth through subsidies, tax avoidance schemes and straight out corruption.

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0812693906/counterpunchmaga

  219. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 12:22 am

    Comment: Good thing the adults are back in charge:
    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/06/06/comment-good-thing-adults-are-back-charge

    …It was one of those weeks where the opposition really didn’t have to do anything except sit back and watch.

    But even doing that was found to be dangerous for the ALP (and members of “the left”), as they were rebuked by various right-wing sections of the media for not jumping to attention quick enough when Clive Palmer slurred Tony Abbott’s chief of staff, Peta Credlin.

    The criticism which came from those who gleefully gave not one stuff when Julia Gillard was subjected to attacks, suggested members of the left and feminists were hypocritically silent. Mostly the argument involved ignoring anyone from the left or any feminists who actually did criticise Palmer, and instead cherry pick various people who they thought should have said something. For some, this would be a logically tough thing to do, but given most of these journalists and commentators spend their time cherry-picking climate change and economic data, they did it with ease…

  220. June 7, 2014 1:24 am

    ”””””””””””””’I resent the government trying to sell the rubbish economics of the teabags to us. I’d rather taxpayers invest in health & education than be forced to support private wealth through subsidies, tax avoidance schemes and straight out corruption.”””””””””””

    ditto armchair,
    especially as we have proof the #ayn-rand-cult trickle-down teabagnomics fail the majority of citizens in teh-usa in their corporatocracy, which also leaves me a bit stunned that lefty`s want a `republic`(ie a more corporate-favorable ruled corporatocracy), if a republic ever gets up, it would be foolish not to have as a `first-amendment`right for ALL citizens, an unfettered right to hunting(ie-sniper)rifles and ammo, as it would be the only `equalizer` the average citizen would have, voting has largely become pointless, in the promise `this` but do `that` system we(and-teh-usa) have

  221. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 7:36 am

    yes, I know that taxpayers pay for a ‘free’ health and education system

    And I’m sick of hearing the dries going on about patients relying on “taxpayers” as if patients aren’t taxpayers, or Students relying on taxpayers, as if students aren’t taxpayers….etc etc.

    Mostly the argument involved ignoring anyone from the left or any feminists who actually did criticise Palmer

    And a distinct lack of acknowledgement when this was pointed out for them 😉

    but given most of these journalists and commentators spend their time cherry-picking climate change and economic data, they did it with ease.

    Hilarious, in the light of the oz’s contribution to bullshittery yesterday 😆

    Speaking of which 😉

    While this is a small 0.28% increase in sales year on year, they have failed to account for the increase in the population between 2012 and 2013.

    Adjusted for population, tobacco sales per person have actually continued to decrease from 920.4 in 2012 to 906.9 in 2013:

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/datablog/2014/jun/06/is-smoking-increasing-in-australia

    Which is why it is best to stick with the ABS data and methodology, and not the corrupted, biased and downright WRONG oz partisan bullshit.

  222. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 10:05 am

    If you torture the data long enough, it will eventually confess.

  223. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 10:21 am

    If you torture the data long enough, it will eventually confess.

    Exactly what the oz has done, instead of relying on the tried and true.

  224. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 10:43 am

    Distortion of the news is nothing new, the sin of omissions are there for all the world to see. Its legitimate practice.

  225. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 10:48 am

    Distortion of the news is nothing new

    true. It’s been happening ever since murdoch took an interest.

    So, you agree that the oz is lying to us, and you are happy with that?

  226. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 7, 2014 10:55 am

    I think Nature 5 spent time in fierce debate with scaper at CW. What a dreadful humiliation.

  227. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 11:01 am

    ‘So, you agree that the oz is lying to us, and you are happy with that?’

    I’m saying Murdoch, Fairfax and Aunty distort the news, there’s this elephant in the room.

  228. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 11:03 am

    Then you truly are a fool egg

  229. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 12:15 pm

    I’m a heretic, not a fool.

  230. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 12:28 pm

    Its legitimate practice.

    No it’s not, ask the public [who pay for the lies] if they agree and I bet it’ll be a resounding NO!
    There is no legitimacy to claim with misinformation and propaganda [despite it being so prevalent]

  231. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 12:34 pm

    I agree, its a disgrace, but leaving stuff out is technically legitimate. Reading between the lines should be taught in primary school.

  232. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:16 pm

    “So, you agree that the oz is lying to us, and you are happy with that?

    Remember journalists are not experts in anything. They may or may not have told some falsehoods but i notice as soon as a falsehood is told you immediately say they are lying.

    As far as i can work out the ABS data lists amount spent on cigs. It is possible that amount spent may fall but number of cigs purchased has increased if smokers shift to lower priced tobacco.

  233. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:37 pm

    As far as i can work out the ABS data lists amount spent on cigs. It is possible that amount spent may fall but number of cigs purchased has increased if smokers shift to lower priced tobacco.

    can you show us the data to support that neil, you might want to add that to your list with the people culling research.

    Think about it without your blinkers, if the population has increased and the amount spent has fallen, what does that mean?

    Is it possible that smoking habits have changed, that people are quitting?

  234. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:41 pm

    ‘Remember journalists are not experts in anything.’

    That’s partly true, sport and finance are fairly specialised. Journalists have their bias, take the Guardian where everything has a left wing bent. So an up and coming young scribe will dress appropriately, depending on the organisation.

  235. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:52 pm

    Remember journalists are not experts in anything.

    no, not even checking the facts and looking for bias before they write up a spoon fed, slanted, industry funded ‘research report’ it would seem.

    take the Guardian where everything has a left wing bent.

    If limitednews is skewed far right, anything in the centre is to the left of it.

  236. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:54 pm

    as soon as a falsehood is told you immediately say they are lying.

    There have been numerous articles put up correcting the falsehood without any reply or correction from the oz, the “ignorance” defense aint gonna hold

    It shouldn’t in the first place, because a journalist who relies solely on an industry funded poll without any other input and draws a very pointed conclusion from that is not a journalist,, poorly trained or anything. They are a partisan hack, a paid for conspirator pushing one interested parties agenda.

    They are FOOLS, not heretics, just like egg. Fools with a foghorn!

  237. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:59 pm

    If limitednews is skewed far right, anything in the centre is to the left of it.

    I was listening to the Something Wonky podcast discussing tabot using the D-Day commemoration to push his political wagon, and one of them mentioned the incongruity(?) of a commemoration of a battle against a far right regime being used by a far right regime to further its political agenda.

    Atlas truly did weep.

  238. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 2:07 pm

    and one of them mentioned the incongruity(?) of a commemoration of a battle against a far right regime being used by a far right regime to further its political agenda.
    Atlas truly did weep.

    they have much in common, propaganda, censorship and fearmongering spring immediately to mind.

  239. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 2:15 pm

    Aunty supports Fairfax, which creates the illusion that the Murdocracy is far right. We have centre right and centre left media organisations catering for all tastes, desperately seeking bums on seats to stay relevant.

  240. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 2:19 pm

    which creates the illusion that the Murdocracy is far right.

    There’s no illusion dopey. No wonder we call you a fool

  241. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 7, 2014 2:48 pm

    “They are a partisan hack, a paid for conspirator pushing one interested parties agenda

    You must be talking about Fairfax and the ABC.

    Still there is no evidence that plain paper packaging has had any effect. Smoking rates have been declining for years.

    So is it true that if you want a pack of cigarettes you have no idea what you are buying??

  242. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 2:50 pm

    You have deluded yourself into thinking the Murdocracy is far right wing. Both organisations know their audience and are telling them what they want to hear.

    The opinion piece by Mike Carlton in Fairfax is meant to rouse the troops and no doubt the other side has the equivalent.

    Centre left and centre right reflects the electorate at large and the two main media organisations are catering to bias inherent in society.

  243. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 3:11 pm

    So is it true that if you want a pack of cigarettes you have no idea what you are buying??

    wouldn’t have a clue, I don’t smoke. Is there a list of all ingredients on the pack? and if not, why not?

    Should political staffers be ‘off-limits’ to scrutiny?
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-06/oquist-should-political-staffers-be-off-limits-to-scrutiny/5505312

  244. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 3:21 pm

    The opinion piece by Mike Carlton in Fairfax is meant to rouse the troops and no doubt the other side has the equivalent.

    The other side has hundreds more equivalents, it is no good pretending there is an equal weight [a trick of the mind you employ in the global warming debate too] in circulation and that goes to murdoch’s concentration of media in australia, makes a huge difference and you ignore that fact and make out it’s all equal and balanced. Meanwhile fairfax appears to be reducing staff numbers.

  245. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 3:25 pm

    ‘you ignore that fact and make out it’s all equal and balanced.’

    Aunty supports Fairfax, that seems fairly balanced against the might of the Murdocray and shock jocks arguing for the other side.

  246. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 7, 2014 3:30 pm

    Murdoch seems balanced to me.

    Fairfax and the ABC have very few Conservative commentators.

    Conservatives get about 40% of the vote but there is nobody like Bolt, Akerman or Albrechson who host a program on the ABC. They are all lefties.

  247. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 3:35 pm

    Aunty supports Fairfax, that seems fairly balanced against the might of the Murdocray and shock jocks arguing for the other side.

    surely you’re joking

    have you got any data on abc support of fairfax? I can never see anything except an over abundance of newsltd reporters and IPA spruikers on the abc [7:30, lateline, drum or insiders].Even fkn idiots like gerard henderson and bolt get a run on the abc. It is rare to hear a greens viewpoint heard [unless it’s disparaging]. We even see plenty of the right wing palmer party. Where is all this fairfax support?

  248. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 3:39 pm

    Conservatives get about 40% of the vote but there is nobody like Bolt, Akerman or Albrechson who host a program on the ABC. They are all lefties.

    extreme right wing views make anything central look left, but I can assure you, if anyone is seeking a left wing viewpoint, it won’t be found on any mainstream australian media, it doesn’t exist.

  249. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 3:41 pm

    You have deluded yourself into thinking the Murdocracy is far right wing. Both organisations know their audience and are telling them what they want to hear.

    huh?

    And if their audience is far right wing?

  250. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 4:03 pm

    To suggest Murdoch is pandering to the far right is ludicrous, they wouldn’t have an audience.

    ‘have you got any data on abc support of fairfax?’

    Getting back to the elephant in the room, its undeniable that Fairfax and Aunty are singing the same tune.

  251. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 4:06 pm

    Aunty supports Fairfax, that seems fairly balanced against the might of the Murdocray and shock jocks arguing for the other side.

    so murdoch with 70% of print media concentration plus a majority coverage by extreme right wing shock jocks across australia is somehow equal to fairfax’s 25% and an abc whose charter requires it to be balanced and accurate. You’ve got a very weird way of looking at issues of balance so I can see how you struggle with climate science.

    [MALCOLM TURNBULL] …And you guys at the ABC have got the heaviest responsibility in all of the Australian media because you have a – you do not have the liberty or the luxury of being biased. You have a really solemn legal responsibility to be accurate and balanced in your coverage…

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 4:10 pm

    Getting back to the elephant in the room, its undeniable that Fairfax and Aunty are singing the same tune.

    How so? please explain the elephant.

    have you got any data other than your opinion to support your claim that the abc supports fairfax?’

  253. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 4:12 pm

    Getting back to the elephant in the room, its undeniable that Fairfax and Aunty are singing the same tune.

    How so? please explain the elephant.

    have you got any data other than your opinion to support your claim that the abc supports fairfax?’

    and, if so

    have you got any data other than your opinion to support your claim that the abc supports fairfax more than it supports newsltd, IPA and other conservative commentators?

  254. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 4:45 pm

    oh, the penny drops, ‘elephant in room’ is your single minded obsession of global warming.

    so the abc and fairfax are colluding because they support the 97% consensus of climate scientists.

    Wow, that would seem to be the conservative view to me.

    The deniers are the extremists on that issue and any split is purely a political divide not a scientific one, industry might & power forcing toadying, fawning, conservatives to deny the undeniable. Money talks and democracy walks. Since the conservatives support denial on global warming, you can hardly complain that their abundance on the abc is somehow not allowing a voice to those spruiking a 3% denier view.

    i can’t believe that your obsession can completely cloud your thinking in every single issue we debate here, however irrelevant it is to the discussion.

  255. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 4:52 pm

    So is it true that if you want a pack of cigarettes you have no idea what you are buying??

    It has the brand name on the packet. I have been behind quite a few people (but less now than there used to be going on the data 😉 ) ordering a specific brand. And those I know who have smoked for years don’t care one way or another about plain packaging, they are victimised(??) in far more obvious manners than having marketing targeted at youths removed from their habits.

    so the abc and fairfax are colluding because they support the 97% consensus of climate scientists.

    The abc are “balanced” in this ao, in that they give the 3% the same time and grace as they give the 97%. That’s balance to the corrupted abc.

    The far right consider anything to the left of them to be far left, anything to the right of them….normal.

    Which is why a rusted on cannot see how far right the oz is.

    Murdoch seems balanced to me.

    Case in point 😉

  256. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 7, 2014 4:59 pm

    Murfoch does seem more balanced.

    News Limited has a much wider range of viewpoints than the ABC.

    But i have always believed lefties are natural totalitarians. If as a people you believe something is wrong you want to censor/eliminate it.

    Trouble is i don’t agree with lefties on almost anything.

  257. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 5:15 pm

    ‘How so? please explain the elephant.’

    The great debate on atmospheric science, which is not settled and needs discussing. The ABC has a duty to analyse both sides of the argument, while Fairfax has every right to pursue its own agenda.

    ‘so the abc and fairfax are colluding because they support the 97% consensus of climate scientists.’

    You are probably unaware that Cook (Mr 97%) is in trouble for torturing the data, yet the propaganda continues to circulate.

    ‘The deniers are the extremists on that issue and any split is purely a political divide not a scientific one,

    Not so, the Denialati is primarily interested in the science and recently they received a heavy blow when it was illustrated that there is little correlation between the sun and our atmosphere.

    In light of this starling revelation I’m now punting on some kind of electro magnetics as the probable cause of CC.

  258. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 6:04 pm

    Murfoch does seem more balanced.
    ….
    Trouble is i don’t agree with lefties on almost anything.

    So do you see anything incongruous with someone who doesn’t agree with ANYTHING on the other side of politics claiming some outlet seems “balanced” to them?

    The ABC has a duty to analyse both sides of the argument, while Fairfax has every right to pursue its own agenda.

    No, the ABC has a duty present the known science, not provide equal representation to an unequal debate. 97% is the number. Fairfax does a fair job of doing this, no wonder it seems skewed to you, it is simply reflecting reality.

    In light of this starling revelation I’m now punting on some kind of electro magnetics as the probable cause of CC.

    Take ya shit out the back, no-ones interested.

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2014 6:08 pm

    ….. but i notice as soon as a falsehood is told you immediately say they are lying.

    Duh! Er? jesus fkn H christ!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Aunty supports Fairfax, which creates the illusion that the Murdocracy is far right.

    The campaign against the ABC is simply to stop them asking the questions that ALL journalist should ask …

    Rupert Murdoch wants a monopoly … 70% ain’t enough … typical fkn catlik … “we support free enterprise ” as long as I get a free run and no competition …

    Murdoch is just another classic Robber Baron … screwing the peasants … LIMIT the ownership of media … one man 70% GMAFB!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It is rare to hear a greens viewpoint heard [unless it’s disparaging]. We even see plenty of the right wing palmer party. Where is all this fairfax support?

    Hear! Hear! KL …

    BTW that Sam Neil, Bryan Brown show is a bit slow and sad … turned the last episode off … Jack Irish was more polished all-round…

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ‘have you got any data on abc support of fairfax?’

    Getting back to the elephant in the room, its undeniable that Fairfax and Aunty are singing the same tune.

    Typical burblings …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Murfoch (sic LOL – so close to Morfuch) does seem more balanced.

    Says, the unbalanced one …

    News Limited has a much wider range of viewpoints than the ABC.

    Prove it …

    But i have always believed lefties are natural totalitarians. If as a people you believe something is wrong you want to censor/eliminate it.

    Ya, Herr Hitler … just as Mr Morrison has done with info regarding asylum seekers?

    Trouble is i don’t agree with lefties on almost anything.

    And some of us here don’t agree with either lefties or righties … like you …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ‘How so? please explain the elephant.’

    The great debate on atmospheric science, which is not settled and needs discussing.

    So go and discuss it – Co2 and You IV still exists …

    I’m still an agnostic … but I’m becoming a 97%er … thanks to, egg …

  260. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2014 6:11 pm

    TR, we do think alike …

    Especially that we don’t suffer fools gladly …

    Gentleman Jack & soda this evening … a big *clink* to GT imbibers …

  261. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 7, 2014 6:27 pm

    TB

    People can tell falsehoods without telling lies. It is only a lie if you know it is a falsehood.

    “Rupert Murdoch wants a monopoly … 70% ain’t enough

    Apparently anybody can start up a newspaper unlike a TV station where you need a licence.

    Like most lefties you want to legislate anything out of existence you do not agree with.

    It is not Murdochs faults that 70% of the people who buy newspapers want to purchase News Ltd.

    Start your own newspaper if you want to do something about it.

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2014 6:29 pm

    Abbot still on a tour of “discovery” …

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/pm-wants-monash-to-be-household-name/story-e6frfkui-1226946854303

    FYI … Monash was the first general (a brilliant man) who utilised all three arms of the army (at the time) artillery, infantry and armour … Monash not only “walked” the artillery, as infantry followed* but massed the (innovative) tanks that had previously been used piecemeal (ie a tank here or there for “fear effect” …

    Had Abbott cared to check his history he’ll find the Monash name all over this country … including a bloody FAMOUS university!

    * (prior to that the British generals had clobbered the trenches with artillery and then sent in their infantry – who were then cut down by the German machine gunners – who had gone underground during the barrage )

  263. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 6:36 pm

    My main argument is that bias exists in the electorate already. Fairfax and Murdoch are only reinforcing preconceived values, centre left and centre right.

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2014 6:37 pm

    People can tell falsehoods without telling lies. It is only a lie if you know it is a falsehood.

    What BS! Journalists are not gossip mongers like you …

    Like most lefties you want to legislate anything out of existence you do not agree with.

    I don’t want to legislate Murdoch out of business … but Murdoch and cronies like you want to get rid the ABC because they provide a balanced view not a Murdoch/Liberal view ..

    It is not Murdochs faults that 70% of the people who buy newspapers want to purchase News Ltd.

    No its not because they don’t … but it is the fault of Liberal governments (with the support of the catik church) that he owns 70% …

    Start your own newspaper if you want to do something about it.

    Don’t be a fkn idiot … chuckle … does that mean you agree that Murdoch has a MONOPOLY?

    Maybe we should call this the Murdoch government or the Catholic Church Government … Rupert got excited about the PM being a mick …

    I wouldn’t mind but its so fkn obvious!

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 6:54 pm

    The abc are “balanced” in this ao, in that they give the 3% the same time and grace as they give the 97%. That’s balance to the corrupted abc.

    yes, your right about that tomR, this false balance thing is actually a bias. Same false balance on show with anti vaccination reporting.

    People can tell falsehoods without telling lies. It is only a lie if you know it is a falsehood.

    that’s called base ignorance

    what a wonderful propaganda tool, who woulda dreamed that up? the same spinners who thought of plausible deniability? basically the andrew bolt defence “I believe my racism to be true, so it’s OK if I spread rubbish around to incite hatred”

    Trouble is i don’t agree with lefties on almost anything.

    that’s good, I’d hate to ever think that I could agree with you on anything

    Like most lefties you want to legislate anything out of existence you do not agree with.

    sure, I’d start with banning anyone called neil, then i’d ban the name neil so that no one could ever again be afflicted with such a name of shame 😉

  266. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 7:01 pm

    BTW that Sam Neil, Bryan Brown show is a bit slow and sad … turned the last episode off … Jack Irish was more polished all-round…

    i’m thinking that we are still getting into the character development, so far bryan is a sly street smart loser and so is sam neil, perhaps things will look up!

    I watch it when I’m not working because it’s on before luther, which I do like. Still not sure about old school yet, other than to say it’s way better than ‘new tricks’

  267. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 7:10 pm

    Gentleman Jack & soda this evening

    I have just discovered that George Dickels is back in the country. dick’n’coke for me this evening with the burghers 😉

    And, as explained above, the “ignorance” clause no longer holds (not that it should for the nations most “prestigious” paper.) The actual evidence and glaring deficiency of their “numbers” has been exposed and explained. Is there a retraction yet?

    Why is it, every time the oz is “inaccurate”, they are always “inaccurate” in a way that supports their far right world view of reality?

    It is this reason that codes against bias has been written into their own policy for journalists, yet they ignore it steadfastly, and instead continue to corrupt peoples understanding of the world around them with lies and misrepresentations.

  268. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 7:15 pm

    I think we need to be reminded that it is not about the repeal of the Carbon Tax

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2014 7:23 pm

    People can tell falsehoods without telling lies. It is only a lie if you know it is a falsehood.

    Well obviously you don/t … that stuffs that stupid is as stupid does argument!

  270. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 7:25 pm

    what a wonderful propaganda tool, who woulda dreamed that up?

    These are the same ones who cried “SHE LIED” every time Gillard opined about ANYTHING, but are now trying to tell us that ALL pollies lie, so we should just let them get on with their job.

    Has there ever been such a hypocritical bunch?

  271. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 7:30 pm

    ‘…and instead continue to corrupt peoples understanding of the world around them with lies and misrepresentations.’

    Hmmm….

  272. Nobel Cause permalink
    June 7, 2014 8:03 pm

    “Well Lisa, you don’t spend ten years as a homicidal maniac without learning a thing or two about dynamite.” ~ Sideshow Bob

  273. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 7, 2014 8:14 pm

    “but Murdoch and cronies like you want to get rid the ABC because they provide a balanced view”

    Too funny. The ABC could only be called balanced if they had some Conservative presenters like Bolt, Tim Blair, Akerman etc. But they have none that i know off. And they represent 40% of the population.

    Your opinion shows you have no concept of what is true.

    “Don’t be a fkn idiot … chuckle … does that mean you agree that Murdoch has a MONOPOLY?

    Looks like lefites cannot run anything without govt support. There is no legislation stopping anybody from starting up a newspaper. It is not Murdochs fault that very few people buy Green-Left weekly.

  274. Hugh Jorgan permalink
    June 7, 2014 9:09 pm

  275. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 9:16 pm

    Bit of history….

    ‘In the 1920s, sections of the Australian ruling class had become sympathetic to fascism and its aim of completely destroying trade unions, the left and working class organisations. There was particular admiration for what Benito Mussolini, the fascist dictator of Italy, had achieved when he came to power in 1922. This included the assassination or internment of all opposition leaders and the banning of all opposition political parties and newspapers.

    ‘During the 1925 seafarers’ strike, the Sydney Morning Herald reminded its readers that, “Italy…was only saved from Red Dominance by the heroic remedy of Fascism—a dreadful medicine for sure, and yet less bitter than the plague it stopped.”

    ‘When he returned from Italy in 1923, the Nationalist Premier of Victoria, Harry S W Lawson, proclaimed Mussolini as the one, “whom Providence wanted to lead Italy”.

    ‘The manager of the Melbourne branch of the Australian Bank of Commerce, today’s Westpac, was pleased to hail Mussolini as, “certainly one of the most wonderful men I have ever seen.”

    ‘At Anzac Day parades between 1930 and 1937, Italian fascists were allowed to march as a distinct group. Their fascist salutes provoked no adverse comment in the major newspapers.’

    Solidarity.net.au

  276. Honey Badger permalink
    June 7, 2014 9:51 pm

    Translating the world’s most Australian man. Oi!

  277. Coffin Nail permalink
    June 8, 2014 3:53 am

    “Which is why it is best to stick with the ABS data and methodology, and not the corrupted, biased and downright WRONG oz partisan bullshit.”

    Not necessarily WRONG. The ABS uses $ Millions spent. The Australian uses number of ‘sticks’ consumed. They may both be correct.

  278. June 8, 2014 6:02 am

    l see `our` usual suspects are bolt-frothing on their tired old `Limited-News-verses-`my-ABC` theme again, a theme l have previously arse-fcuked them `hard` with. Seems l need to do it again.

    1-Bolt can only muster an audience of 300,000 useless-imbeciles,(bolts numbers, link dropped on earlier posts) and is out-side the pay-wall coz even his frothing imbeciles won`tr pay for it, ditto for the piers/devine/other-blogs.

    2-Over at my ABC, the cranks get way-more airtime than they warrant, Latelineland and a certain Reportland don`t get all their invites accepted(teabag-or-not) and have even had mr-rabbit/teabags `avoiding` them, ditto-4corners.

    Qandaland provides excessive airtime to the cranks, if crank talking-heads were appearing on a `representative`basis, it would be `about` one-a-decade. Ditto applies to Barrie too, always has a teabag-type crank on insiders.

  279. June 8, 2014 6:18 am

    l see `our` usual suspects are bolt-frothing
    #continues

    3-No matter how much whining Bolt and his imbeciles do about my ABC,

    +teh-oz is unlikely to make a profit for Limited-News.

    +Network-10 will continue to flounder under Limited-News/Murdoch management and/or influence.

    +Boltreportland will remain a viewer wasteland, and only attract similar imbeciles that feed at teh-bolt blog.

    +None of those points have anything to do with my ABC.

    +While Limited-News and Network-10 continue to serve-up crap, their audience will continue to fall(except for the fractional imbeciles) and it will be `on-line` new-media that will continue to benefit, like fakebook, with 11-million aussies that visit twice-daily. Not my ABC.

    So once again, `our` cranks don`t know what they are talking about.

  280. June 8, 2014 6:46 am

    (l see `our` usual suspects are bolt-frothing)

    #continues

    4-No matter how much whining Bolt and his imbeciles do about my ABC,

    it won`t bring back the advertisers Limited-News chased-off/lost.

    +Lost, with the amount of free advertising via trollumnist blogs, there is little reason for business or industry to `pay` for it.

    +Chased-Off, even those that were willing to still pay for some advertising, have been chased-off from placing long-term, high-value advertising campaigns with Limited-News due to the `volatility` of the Limited-News Trollumnists, and the intentional `rage` they try to inject in the public. No brand wants to be caught in that. Better to do it online.

    +Nothing to do with my ABC, Limited-News has fcuked itself, all under its own steam.

    +killing-off my ABC won`t help Limited-News either.

  281. June 8, 2014 7:05 am

    ””’Remember journalists are not experts in anything.””’

    ””’no, not even checking the facts and looking for bias before they write up a spoon fed, slanted, industry funded ‘research report’ it would seem.””’

    ””’If limitednews is skewed far right, anything in the centre is to the left of it.””’

    #Correct On All Counts.

  282. June 8, 2014 7:16 am

    ”””””””””’Drug testing dole recipients (Kiwi model) is not a good idea, the monstrous costs of monitoring would far outweigh any perceived benefits.”””””””””

    Yeah, especially when ya`running a fake budget-emergency and fcuking over the poor on visits to the quack.

  283. Check It permalink
    June 8, 2014 7:42 am

    “l see `our` usual suspects are bolt-frothing on their tired old `Limited-News-verses-`my-ABC` theme again, a theme l have previously arse-fcuked them `hard` with. Seems l need to do it again.”

    Yeah, well, you don’t have a very good record with facts. Give us* your links and I’ll get back to you.

    *Royal “us” alert

  284. June 8, 2014 7:52 am

    ””””””””’Usually political staffers are not seen and not heard. This week a striking exception was made when Clive Palmer brought attention to the Prime Minister’s chief of staff’s potential qualification for his paid parental leave scheme, and then called her the “top dog”. Outrage ensued, as it became better known that Credlin
    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-06/oquist-should-political-staffers-be-off-limits-to-scrutiny/5505312
    ””””””””””””””(armchair)

    +

    ””””””””””'(#1)Staff should not be subject to parliamentary interrogation at a whim: (#2)it should be case-by-case. (#3)And it should only ever relate to politics – not personal lives.”””””””””

    1-fair enough, for `serious` stuff, not trivial

    2-agree/true

    3-Credlin ran to teabag-media to hock her eggs for mr-rabbits election hopes, she jumped into the lime-light, can`t bleat now the lime-light follows her.

    Clive knows Credlin helps mr-rabbit create the skeletons that in the closet, l don`t blame Clive for having the crack at Credlin, but he should have done some fact checking so he didn`t look stupid/wrong. You can also bet Credlin has helped make Clives life hard when clive was still with the teabags.

  285. June 8, 2014 8:15 am

    ”””””””'[MALCOLM TURNBULL] …And you guys at the ABC have got the heaviest responsibility in all of the Australian media because you have a – you do not have the liberty or the luxury of being biased. You have a really solemn legal responsibility to be accurate and balanced in your coverage””””””’

    #that`s a damn good quote armchair, _ where-from.?

    .

    #l repeat, for Tinfoil`osy`s benefit,

    ”””’do not have the liberty or the luxury of being biased. You have a really solemn legal responsibility to be accurate and balanced in your coverage””””(#mr-talkbull/#my-ABC)

  286. June 8, 2014 8:27 am

    ””It is only a lie if you know it is a falsehood.””

    it is also a lie if you engage in continual willful blindness after the facts/truth has been given to you dumptykneel`osy

  287. June 8, 2014 8:40 am

    ””””””””””Not necessarily WRONG. The ABS uses $ Millions spent. The Australian uses number of ‘sticks’ consumed. They may both be correct.””””””””

    the abs will be `without` black-market data Tinfoil`osy, so probably Wrong,

    meanwhile Limited-News mangles `all` data it gets its hands on, so of-course Wrong

  288. egg permalink
    June 8, 2014 8:54 am

    Ice Crusher

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  289. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2014 9:41 am

    Not necessarily WRONG. The ABS uses $ Millions spent. The Australian uses number of ‘sticks’ consumed. They may both be correct.

    Except i has already been shown to be wrong, as population growth has not been accounted for. When it was, the “sticks” sold actually went down.

    We don’t know also if the cheaper ones have less tobacco, or if the overall percent of tobacco across the the board has decreased or increased.In fact, we don’t know much, as the company that did it won’t tell us.

    And from this dodgy set of figures and alleged ‘facts’ (which have already shown to be wrong) the oz drew the conclusion and stated emphatically that plain packaging had failed. And appear unable to rectify their inaccuracy.

    What a bunch of talent-less liars

  290. egg permalink
    June 8, 2014 10:57 am

    “One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.”

    Niccolo Machiavelli

  291. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2014 12:31 pm

    “One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.”

    Pertinent considering the strident defense some here have mounted for the oz attempting to deceive its readers egg 😉

  292. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2014 12:45 pm

    TomR

    Not really. The journalist may have just got it wrong. Deception/lies are wilfull.

    I found some ABS data on the number of smokers, not the amount spent

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4125.0main+features3320Jan%202013

    Smoking rates have been decreasing for a long time. There is no evidence that Labors program has been successful. Since it is a Labor idea it most probably will fail to do any good.

    But i give points to Labor for trying. Plain paper packaging may turn out to be a good idea.

  293. egg permalink
    June 8, 2014 1:10 pm

    ‘Plain paper packaging may turn out to be a good idea.’

    Its not a vote winner, nevertheless I think we should press ahead and replicate the experiment in food and beverages.

  294. Head Count permalink
    June 8, 2014 1:31 pm

    Total number of sticks consumed does not have to account for population growth. Only sticks consumed per capita does.

  295. June 8, 2014 1:38 pm

    The usual suspects that enjoy belting my ABC, would do much better ditching bolt and his fcukwittery, and do their own research, enjoy this working example my teabags.

    ””””””””””’the national public broadcaster, the ABC, which the IPA would break up and sell off, features heavily. One count, by the left-leaning Independent Australia, clocked 39 appearances by IPA staff in the year 2011-12 on just one ABC TV program, The Drum. That’s almost as many Drum appearances as the combined total of all other think tanks, left, right and centre.

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/05/31/abbotts-faceless-men-the-ipa/1401458400#.U4sOv_na6So
    ””””””””””””””””’

    The management should be sacked and Scott`s head should be on a pike, what`s wrong with the fcukwits running my ABC. Look how many times under the `fake` banner of `balance` these chooks have let the ipa dingo dine within my ABC chicken-coup. For what reason Scott is letting the-drummers run rampant has got me fcuked. The sooner Scott, and teh-drum producers realize they are there to serve the public, and not assist a foreign-corporate in dismantling and/or destroying the national broadcaster, the better off we will all be.

    #Lesson concluded Teabags 🙂

  296. Bagz Of Wind permalink
    June 8, 2014 1:46 pm

    Anyone taking lessons from you is beyond help.

  297. Bagz Of Wind permalink
    June 8, 2014 1:56 pm

    “a really solemn legal responsibility to be accurate and balanced”

    “the `fake` banner of `balance`”

    😯

  298. June 8, 2014 2:02 pm

    ”””””””””””in defence of Bolt’s incredibly sloppy, error-ridden journalism, the IPA took up this case.

    On October 5, 2011, the IPA ran a full-page advertisement in The Australian supporting Bolt, paid for and signed by more than 1200 people. The signatory names give a clue as to why an organisation with a staff fewer than 30 and a membership of only a few thousand wields such influence.
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/05/31/abbotts-faceless-men-the-ipa/1401458400#.U4sOv_na6So
    ”””””””””””’

    some ipa quick facts/regarding bolts sloppy error ridden clap-trap,

    1-teh ipa has a `few` thousand members, much smaller membership than most unions(boo) as most seem to have 5-figure membership

    2-seems only `about` a third of the ipa members were prepared to sign advert in defense of bolt

    3- the `3000 or so` ipa members, out of 22/23? million citizens, is hardly `representative` to those with a brain in their head, and clearly gets way-more airtime than they should on a certain biased national broadcaster 🙂

  299. Kuckoo permalink
    June 8, 2014 2:45 pm

    Instead of adjusting total-sticks-consumed by dividing it by the increasing total population to reach a per-capita figure, Kouk should have divided them by the declining number of smokers to give a per-smoker figure. But that would have given him the “wrong” answer.

  300. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2014 3:10 pm

    Not really. The journalist may have just got it wrong. Deception/lies are wilfull.

    As I said, their error has been highlighted, but ignored. To continue to publish the falsehood proves their lies

    There is no evidence that Labors program has been successful.

    This is not the claim. The claim by the oz was that it was NOT working. That is the lie.

    Total number of sticks consumed does not have to account for population growth. Only sticks consumed per capita does.

    In order to prove a trend, population growth must be taken into account. Of course it is probable that more cigarettes are sold, yet, as a percentage of the population, the usage is going down. This is what the Guardian article highlighted as the most obvious flaw in the calculations. Who knows what else would be discovered given the full information?

    Instead of adjusting total-sticks-consumed by dividing it by the increasing total population to reach a per-capita figure

    The Kouk went on ABS figures, which is a measure of spend, not individual cigarettes sold, not sure what you are referring to here?

  301. Kuckoo permalink
    June 8, 2014 3:21 pm

    “The Kouk went on ABS figures, which is a measure of spend, not individual cigarettes sold, not sure what you are referring to here?”

    You said The Australian’s figures were wrong beecause they didn’t account for increasing population i.e. they didn’t use per capita figures. But per-capita includes every man, woman, and child of which only a portion smoke -: around 20% of those over 18 years of age. If total sticks consumed or $ Millions spent figures aren’t good enough to establish a trend, then why not calculate $ Dollars spent or sticks consumed per-smoker.

  302. Kuckoo permalink
    June 8, 2014 3:31 pm

    The crux of this whole argument is Labor supporters trying to prove that plain-packaging laws worked, and the opposite from the other side. How do you prove that, when there is a historical downward trend in smoker numbers, and the ABS figures show much steeper decreases in the 80’s and 90’s?

  303. Tom ofMelbourne permalink
    June 8, 2014 3:34 pm

    I struggle to get to excited about the vast MMM* conspiracy that bothers ‘teh left’ so much.

    So many of ‘teh left’ get highly excited about The Australian, but that rag could hardly be less relevant, with about 1 copy sold per 170 people in the country.

    Meanwhile the multitude of political blogs around allow everyone to write their personal editorials several times a day (even those that are largely incoherent)

    *MMM= the all pervasive Murdoch, Mining, Military conspiracy

  304. egg permalink
    June 8, 2014 3:50 pm

    The majority of Australians vote to the left or right of centre, Murdoch and Fairfax reflect this difference.

  305. Meta permalink
    June 8, 2014 3:57 pm

    (True; everyone can make their own paper plane; even The Australian, when it’s not littering the QANTAS VIP Lounge or gadding about among the everyday stack of papers left flagged on a CCO’s desk by some PA who microblog-comments in their downtime.)

  306. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2014 4:06 pm

    It is all about control.

    Lefties want to exterminate Murdoch because they think he is a danger to the leftie cause.

    Murdoch is more balanced than the ABC or Fairfax. Tim Dunlop had a blog on News Ltd.

    Lefties are natural totalitarians and want to exterminate anything they don’t agree with. It is in their DNA.

    I don’t know of anyone like Bolt, Akerman, Tim Blair who hosts a program on the ABC.

    Lefties can start up any newspaper they like. But nobody would buy it.

  307. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2014 4:29 pm

    You said The Australian’s figures were wrong beecause they didn’t account for increasing population i.e. they didn’t use per capita figures.

    No, The Gaurdian said they just went on a raw figure, that failed to take into consideration population growth. It isn’t a per capita figure that the oz was using, but, because of this, a simple rise in a number IGNORES population growth. Not the same thing tosy

    If total sticks consumed or $ Millions spent figures aren’t good enough to establish a trend, then why not calculate $ Dollars spent or sticks consumed per-smoker.

    You’d have to take that up with the tobacco company that paid for this very limited and totally inaccurate poll.

    The crux of this whole argument is Labor supporters trying to prove that plain-packaging laws worked

    Logic fail BIG time tosy. This is all about the oz using dodgy numbers (that have been exposed to be incorrect) to claim that it DIDN’T work. Nobody is using these figures to claim it has. The highlight here is on the oz AGAIN using rubbery figures to lie to their readers.

    Unless you have a link to where the claim is being made (except perhaps myself who posited an opinion earlier that I reckon it does)

    I don’t know of anyone like Bolt, Akerman, Tim Blair who hosts a program on the ABC.

    ulman? Not quite as unhinged, but struck from the same mould.

  308. Meta permalink
    June 8, 2014 4:39 pm

    (Hmmm, ‘declining numbers’ of Abbott-LNP Government Plan-packaging ‘supporters’ among a growing population of ‘malcontents’ are or aren’t shhhmoking more or less cigar-ette ‘sticks’ per capitalalala? So confusing.)

  309. Kuckoo permalink
    June 8, 2014 5:02 pm

    “No, The Gaurdian said they just went on a raw figure, that failed to take into consideration population growth. It isn’t a per capita figure that the oz was using, but, because of this, a simple rise in a number IGNORES population growth. Not the same thing tosy.”

    And the Guardian ignores the systemic decline in smoker numbers, where even a flat line in dollars spent adjusted for the declining number of smokers would show an upward trend in dollars spent per smoker.

  310. Kuckoo permalink
    June 8, 2014 5:10 pm

    *same applies to sticks consumed per smoker,

  311. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2014 5:26 pm

    And the Guardian ignores the systemic decline in smoker numbers

    I think that is called a petard 😯

  312. Meta permalink
    June 8, 2014 5:27 pm

    (Sideshow Tony does seem to offer lively insights into a fixation with deadly abstractions.)

  313. egg permalink
    June 8, 2014 5:52 pm

    Shocking Nooze Break

    Chomsky turns his back on Obama.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/04/chomsky-obama-determined-to-demolish-the-foundations-of-our-civil-liberties/

  314. June 8, 2014 7:08 pm

    Murdoch is more balanced than the ABC or Fairfax. Tim Dunlop had a blog on News Ltd.
    Lefties are natural totalitarians and want to exterminate anything they don’t agree with. It is in their DNA.
    I don’t know of anyone like Bolt, Akerman, Tim Blair who hosts a program on the ABC.

    I see Squeals is in fine form providing comic relief

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2014 7:19 pm

    Just having a practice and as I finished this I thought how appropriate for all the Liberal pollies and their supporters … especially the catliks …

  316. June 8, 2014 8:08 pm

    I’m not sure why anyone would think that Chomsky would be beholden to Obama?

    It probably just means that anyone expecting such has very little idea of what Chomsky is on about at all.

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2014 8:18 pm

    More Morrison incompetence, ignorance, immorality and cruelty …

    Asylum seekers facing removal from Australia are being given just two weeks to provide details about how a major data breach that exposed their personal details will affect their protection claims.

    In February Guardian Australia revealed the department had inadvertently published the personal details of almost 10,000 people in detention – including their names, dates of birth, country of origin – in a file publicly available on the department’s website.

    The breach raised serious concerns that asylum seekers may be persecuted if they are returned to their country of origin because authorities there may now be aware they had sought asylum in Australia. The breach sparked a wave of legal actions in the federal circuit court.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/08/at-risk-asylum-seekers-given-only-14-days-to-put-their-case-to-stay

    Wonder when every household gets the fridge magnets?

  318. egg permalink
    June 8, 2014 8:53 pm

    Toilet is correct.

    ‘Chomsky defines himself as a libertarian socialist or anarchist. He has little time for orthodox left wing positions…’

  319. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 8, 2014 9:04 pm

    “More Morrison incompetence, ignorance, immorality and cruelty … “

    Big call there.

    I could just as easily say you are playing politics with a difficult issue.

    I could also say because of your vote in 2007 thousands of people from UNHCR camps have been denied a place in Australia.

    But since lefties have no conscience i guess you do not care.

  320. June 8, 2014 11:09 pm

    ””””””””””””’FINANCE Minister Mathias Cormann has batted away federal leadership speculation as a “storm in a teacup” and praised Malcolm Turnbull as a “committed member of a united team”.

    Senator Cormann told Sky News’ Australian Agenda today that the Abbott government would not get distracted by “sideshows” such as the leadership rumblings stirred up by conservative commentators Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones during the week.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/leader-stoush-a-storm-in-a-teacup-finance-minister-mathias-cormann-says/story-fn59niix-1226947280738
    ”””””””””””””””””””

    #lt becomes quite funny when the teabags start claiming how `unhinged` and `demented` teabag-media is. lt doesn`t look like any of the teabags are going to `side` with teabag-media against mr-talkbull, even mr-rabbit is siding with mr-talkbull. #Teabag-Media-Fail

  321. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 12:32 am

    #that`s a damn good quote armchair, _ where-from.?

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3935258.htm

  322. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 12:41 am

    World first: Australian solar plant has generated “supercritical” steam that rivals fossil fuels’
    http://sciencealert.com.au/news/20140506-25618.html

  323. June 9, 2014 1:31 am

    ””””””World first: Australian solar plant has generated “supercritical” steam that rivals fossil fuels’

    http://sciencealert.com.au/news/20140506-25618.html

    A CSIRO test plant in Australia has broken a world record and proved solar power could efficiently replace fossil fuels.”””””””’

    #and mr-rabbit is-trying/has cut csiro funding in teh-horror budget

    .

    ”””””””’A solar thermal test plant in Newcastle, Australia, has generated “supercritical” steam at a pressure of 23.5 mpa (3400 psi) and 570°C (1,058°F).”””””””’

    #under teh-JohnW regime, a `thermal` test site was defunded/shit-down, (the `thermal` site was producing the correct pressure to drive a generator for electricty), in protection of coal the site was NOT developed into a power-provider(for-wa/sa-l-think) so l don`t like the chances of mr-rabbits reheated zombies NOT killing this off too.

    .

    ”””””””””””CSIRO is claiming it as a world record, and it’s a HUGE step for solar thermal energy.

    ”It’s like breaking the sound barrier; this step change proves solar has the potential to compete with the peak performance capabilities of fossil fuel sources,” Dr Alex Wonhas, CSIRO’s Energy Director, told Colin Jeffrey for Gizmag.””””””””’

    #unfortunately, the born followers we send to canberra will most likely mean, Aust won`t be doing this until teh-usa has done it 😦

  324. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 7:39 am

    Good news guys, but can it operate at night?

  325. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:01 am

    I have solar powered garden lights that work at night 😉

  326. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:03 am

    Well, that’s a start.

  327. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:06 am

    It was more than a start, it was a hint 😉

  328. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:08 am

    Are you hinting that there are no batteries involved?

    ——–

    ‘NEW evidence from one of a group of tradesmen who renovated Julia Gillard’s Melbourne home could be pivotal in determining whether thousands of dollars in payments for the work came from a secret union slush fund.’

    Norington / Oz

  329. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:28 am

    i can imagine new satellite cities across Australia being powered only by sol, if they can figure out how to store day into night energy.

  330. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:57 am

    But I can visualise China moving their factories into the Australian desert, no shift work.

  331. June 9, 2014 10:00 am

    “It was more than a start, it was a hint “

    LOL…

    It’s good to have you back Tom R…

  332. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:07 am

    I was out last night and didn’t see Willesee’s interview with Clive Palmer.

    From reports today, it seemed to confirm that Palmer is dodgy and unreliable and has surrounded himself with dumb yes men.

    No surprises there.

    Palmer is more verbose, dodgy and self important than Oakeshott, but dangerously has control over a critical handful of other dumb opportunists.
    ————

    “It’s good to have you back Tom R…”

    Yes, we’ve needed more inane commentary.

  333. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:16 am

    Yes, we’ve needed more inane commentary.

    Glad to help pick up the load for you yomm 😉

  334. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:49 am

    Palmer is more verbose, dodgy and self important than Oakeshott

    Can’t see how you can even make a comparison between the two. The only ones I can think of close to the big pup is barnyard joyce or perhaps the pynemeister – all circus, no tent.

    it was pretty clear that ?ricky muir, the carpenter guy was a deer in the spotlight, I saw him as scared to death, he had stage fright. Doesn’t necessarily mean he’s stupid though.

    Why are the PUP’s seen as something idiotic because all are controlled by clive yet the same top down machinery and control operates in the coalition machine and is accepted as ‘toeing the party line’?

    You might make the mistake of thinking these newbies look pretty innocent or a national embarrassment when compared to the smooth running PR machines of the other parties, but remember the damage caused by hanson to the coalition? They just might be a breath of fresh air to the public after all the exposed corruption of the majors!

  335. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:56 am

    our entire political system is made up of dumb yes men and women, you gotta be pretty dumb not to take note of the contempt in which they are held by the public and still refuse to reform themselves.
    Clive is the harbinger!

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2014 11:13 am

    “The argument is not about climate change – the argument is about the best means to respond to climate change and I believe that carbon taxes and emissions trading schemes are the wrong way to go.”

    Mr Abbott said steps such as energy efficiency – which will be on the G20 agenda in Brisbane later this year – and tree-planting “increasingly are being taken right around the world including here in North America”.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/pm-abbott-in-canada-for-trade-talks/story-e6frfkui-1226947822446

    So from that, I take it that:

    ☼ Abbott accepts climate change?

    ☼ Abbott doesn’t accept that polluters should pay or seek cleaner methods?

    ☼ Abbott accepts that lots and lots and lots of trees will filter the atmosphere?

    ☼ Abbott accepts that taxpayers should bear the cost of big profit organisations polluting the atmosphere?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    From reports today, it seemed to confirm that Palmer is dodgy and unreliable and has surrounded himself with dumb yes men.

    As Wally would say/do …

    From reports today, it seemed to confirm that Abbott is dodgy and unreliable and has surrounded himself with dumb yes men.

    There fixed it …

    In fact I missed most of it but the bit I saw was a cringy … still if Palmer and his PUPs just stops this stupid budget … that’s a plus … I guess to get past Palmer & Co the government and opposition will really have to explain their position in layman terms, hey?

    Heard Clive, call Willesee a Dickhead® this morning on the radio … LOL! (Must contact him re registered trademark use!)

    Go Clivey!

    PS … Willesee, smirky, smart arse as always …

  337. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2014 11:28 am

    I was in Port Macquarie during the 2010 election, then exactly a year later. My (anecdotal) findings

    In 2010, Oakeshott was the most high profile, well liked/supported political candidate I have observed, about 1 in 10 houses and 1 in 3 businesses displayed his campaign poster

    A year later, sentiment had swung and Oakeshott-

    • Was seen to have done a deal with the ALP to look after his parliamentary career, ignoring the fact that his electorate was traditional National Party
    • His electorate thought they were getting a moderate National, not a left oriented, self serving bulls**t artist
    • He was seen as a verbose dill, who loved the limelight
    • Once his electorate grew to know him, with his high profile, they turned on him.

    Oakeshott might have remained popular if he’d been the member for Byron Bay, but not Port Macquarie.

    But Palmer is far more cunning, egocentric, vindictive and sinister, I think he’s quite dangerous. He’s tapping into the disaffection with the major parties, but he’s a shyster and a c**t.

    There’s a place for an actual broad based party like the Democrats, not some self interested narcissist, surrounded by dull opportunists without any notion of a policy platform.

  338. June 9, 2014 12:04 pm

    BTW, I’m in Bangkok. Arrived last night, just checking up on how my military coup is coming along. I thought they could use a few tips.

    I’ll be heading into the city centre in about an hour or so where I understand the military guard are posted and the air is filled with nationalistic marching band tunes.

    Should be fun!

  339. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 12:06 pm

    There’s a place for an actual broad based party like the Democrats, not some self interested narcissist, surrounded by dull opportunists without any notion of a policy platform.

    describing the coalition?

    the more the merrier I say, let’s break up the political cartel that operates now.

  340. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 12:21 pm

    Abbott accepts that lots and lots and lots of trees will filter the atmosphere?

    Tell it to the Taswegians 😯

  341. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2014 12:43 pm

    “let’s break up the political cartel that operates now”,/i>

    Maybe, but it seems like we’ve elected a gorilla with a few chimps.

  342. June 9, 2014 12:46 pm

    ””””””””””’Palmer is far more cunning, egocentric, vindictive and sinister, I think he’s quite dangerous.””””

    #the pantie-wetting is in full flight today l see,

    bet`ya did a fair bit of wetting over pauline hanson too, back in her day,

    .

    ””””He’s tapping into the disaffection with the major parties”””’

    oh what a shame, anybody that upsets the wetters, is probably on the right track,

    l don`t mind anybody removing some of the power from the duopoly and see if we get anything better, once the duopoly `and` teabag-media unite against Clive(as done with pauline) it will be confirmation that he `is` actually different to the usual stuff #Go-Clive

  343. June 9, 2014 12:50 pm

    LOL still pantie wetting over oakshott, you do realize he retired

  344. Meta permalink
    June 9, 2014 1:26 pm

    (Re ‘Obamacare for the air’: “It’s not smart, it’s not safe, and it doesn’t make sense.”.

    Tabbott is correct when he says there should be a modest co-payment towards biocharring extant ecologies and raising a green army of ent-herders to secure the uniquely Australian destiny of clean-coaling the planet; and, moreover, harnessing batteries of multivarious energy-generation systems 24/7/365 is simply too complex even to contemplate; especially in a (post-)modern world predicated simply on energy(ies) supply(ies) and consumption(s).

    ————————-

    On the other, whatever happened to Clive’s capital idea of quasi-threatening to move his civet-coffee-bean clubs to Little-Brazilia-in-Indon if he isn’t personally taxed 101%?: Lateline: Miners revolt against super tax.)

  345. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 1:34 pm

    ‘So from that, I take it that:
    ☼ Abbott accepts climate change?’

    There is nothing in his words to suggest humans are changing climate and growing a renewable resource seems practical.

    Abbott once remarked that it was warmer around the time of Christ, science recently verified his comment.

  346. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2014 1:50 pm

    A sensible discussion is unavailable with commentators that only interrupt their incoherence with Americanisms.

  347. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 2:05 pm

    Abbott once remarked that it was warmer around the time of Christ, science recently verified his comment…

    where does that assertion come from? Is there newer evidence since his 2010 ‘religious’ teachings?

    …Leading scientists said there was no evidence to suggest it was hotter 2000 years ago…
    …He cited the 2007 report of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which found the available data from climate records was too sparse to make clear statements beyond about 1000 years ago. Dr van Ommen said the confidence that global warming was linked to greenhouse gas emissions was based on multiple lines of evidence…

    Climate scientists cross with Abbott for taking Christ’s name in vain:
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-scientists-cross-with-abbott-for-taking-christs-name-in-vain-20100509-ulqt.html

    Hockey’s budget is unsustainable
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/hockeys-budget-is-unsustainable-20140608-39r5s.html

  348. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2014 2:09 pm

    So if people support Palmer, what exactly does he stand for?…other than he isn’t ALP or Liberal/National (these days)

    Which part of his comprehensive (22 pages) policy platform is so attractive?

    http://palmerunited.com/national-policy/

    He’s an opportunistic, bombastic bulls**t artist, and while he isn’t on his own in politics, we hardly need a new gang of them.

  349. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 2:38 pm

    more egg rubbish, I think you are attempting to take advantage after seeing reb’s post saying that he’s away [while the cat’s away…]

    I hope your ‘evidence’ is not ian plimer or jo nova.

    …There is nothing in his words to suggest humans are changing climate and growing a renewable resource seems practical.

    That’s because he’s all over the shop on it, has said completely contradictory things at different times. He just blows [CO2]

    http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/it-was-hotter-when-jesus-was-alive-abbott-tells-school-children/

    …Perhaps there is an appropriate Biblical passage that states it was hotter? Or we should be using the Shroud of Turin to measure Christ’s carbon footprint? This whole thing about the Shroud being real or a fake is not the real issue: just how hawt was it in the Holy Land back then?…
    …Note Mr. Abbot that Julius Caesar and Jesus did not live at the same time. Augustus was Emperor at the time of his birth, while Tiberius was ruled Rome at the time of Christ’s death. Caesar died decades earlier (born 100 BCE, died 44 BCE) .

    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/05/14/tony-abbott-and-the-roman-warm/

    An Open Letter to the Honourable Tony Abbott, Leader of the Oppostion:
    http://astroblogger.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/open-letter-to-honourable-tony-abbott.html

    …No, no it wasn’t. All the reliable reconstructions show that the climate that far back was cooler than now (see the graph above, and here and here). All the evidence shows that the warming in the last 25-30 years is unprecedented in the past two millennia. You also said:
    “And then during what they called the Dark Ages it was colder. ”
    No, no it wasn’t (see above).
    You also said:”Climate change happens all the time and it is not man that drives those climate changes back in history.”
    Which is irrelevant to the issue of whether humans are causing climate change now. Back in Medieval times humans weren’t pumping vast quantities of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. As a simple matter of logic, the fact that humans have not produced global climate change in the past does not mean we cannot do it now. After all, humans didn’t produce any changes in the ozone layer in the past, yet our activities created the Ozone Hole.

  350. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2014 2:47 pm

    Yep, Clive has nailed it!

    • His policy on the carbon tax is a nice way to justify him personally not paying it
    • Likes work for the dole, and maybe work for the pension too. His position on “mutual obligation” is broad enough to cover that
    • He believes in “protecting the rights of children and mothers”!! How original.
    • He wants to support volunteers, the left usually regards this as code for reducing government services
    • Only parliament “not courts” should make laws. That’s nice, but means we wouldn’t have national IR laws, of Aboriginal land rights, and the Franklin River would be dammed.
    • He wants to “decentralise workplace reform”. If the Liberals or Gina said this, it would be taken to mean they want to reintroduce workchoices
    • Decentralising school administration- teacher unions hate that!
    • Supporting more choice in education – usually means putting more cash into private schools

    In promoting Palmer, exactly what are people wanting?

  351. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 2:48 pm

    He’s an opportunistic, bombastic bulls**t artist, and while he isn’t on his own in politics, we hardly need a new gang of them.

    I agree with that, but why should liberal and labor be the default status quo? I don’t think clive is very much different to the nutty conservatives who are taking us to a tea party state that even the US public rejects, or the national party crazies.

    I understand that he’s a big threat to the establishment, but what better way of showing that the whole system is an undemocratic crock? Why get all het up about palmer when he’s just playing the same game as the rest of them?

  352. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 2:51 pm

    In promoting Palmer, exactly what are people wanting?

    simple, not liberal or labor!

    Why not campaign for the democrats to make a comeback? I’m sure the voters are ready.

  353. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 3:08 pm

    ‘That’s because he’s all over the shop on it, has said completely contradictory things at different times. He just blows [CO2]’

    He is being diplomatic.

  354. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 3:17 pm

    ‘I hope your ‘evidence’ is not ian plimer or jo nova.’

    No its CO2 Science and you’ll find it up in the back room.

  355. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 3:26 pm

    or, if you like, attacking on their left flank where they are exposed after going so far to the teabag right. Clive looks a safe place for those libs worried about the austerity and inequality of budget.

    The guns of Singapore:
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/the-guns-of-singapore.html#comment-form

    Palmer has attracted the working-class conservatives whom Liberal conservatives have steadily courted for a generation, at the expense of moderates. He has shown these voters to be every bit as unreliable for the Liberals as moderates were accused of being. Another one in the neck for conservatives building the rightist redoubt for the Liberal Party (and the Nationals, given that many of their seats are more vulnerable to Palmer/Windsor-type populists than to the ALP). People shrieking about Palmer’s sexism were much less critical of Abbott’s not-dissimilar remarks, and even defended “that man” after Gillard’s misogyny speech, making you wonder what their real problem with Palmer is…

  356. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 3:34 pm

    No its CO2 Science and you’ll find it up in the back room.

    sorry, gotta go, can’t spend time in the attic!

  357. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 3:43 pm

    ** chuckle

  358. June 9, 2014 5:43 pm

    “But Palmer is far more cunning, egocentric, vindictive and sinister, I think he’s quite dangerous. He’s tapping into the disaffection with the major parties, but he’s a shyster and a c**t.”

    I agree. It’s pretty fucking obvious that he’s purchased his influence. He’s tapped into the politically disenfranchised; multiplying by the day, particularly amongst ‘simple’ conservative voters who expected something different from Abbott.
    That may be highly amusing, and symptomatic of wider political jading, but…My Enemy’s Enemy isn’t my default Friend.

    I think that it’s good to have individuals outside of the majors who force them to negotiate, rather than them jamming through their ideological proclivities when they get an absolute majority every now & then.
    That doesn’t mean that opportunist billionaires are a salve.

    I also agree with this…”you gotta be pretty dumb not to take note of the contempt in which they are held by the public and still refuse to reform themselves.
    Clive is the harbinger!”

  359. June 9, 2014 5:51 pm

    “Well, thank god Tony Abbott’s meeting Rupert Murdoch in NYC. It’s great that the most powerful man in Australia has made time for the PM.”

    hahahaha…

  360. June 9, 2014 5:56 pm

    “He is being diplomatic.”

    Now that is amusing!

    Abbott frustrates the fuck out of anti-AGW zealots because he has narry the nuts to come out & actually state what they know he means. He couches it all in political doublespeak because he is gutless; like a political windsniffer, like the rest of them. He’s no genuine hood ornament for the denialati.

    It’s kinda synonymous with him hanging his greatest crotchsniffer, Bolt, out to dry at the moment.

    Tremendous mirth ensues!

  361. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 6:05 pm

    ‘He couches it all in political doublespeak because he is gutless; like a political windsniffer, like the rest of them. He’s no genuine hood ornament for the denialati.’

    He has to be diplomatic on the world stage, Obama is pushing ahead while Abbott pulls back. If he had come out and said “the prime minister of Canada and I are as one on this issue, AGW science is crap and the 17 year hiatus proves it.”

    Troof in politics is not practical.

    The denialati is unconcerned, the senate will either scrap the tax or go to a DD election.

  362. June 9, 2014 6:12 pm

    “Troof in politics is not practical.”

    Indeed…but when they’re found out, their political capital is extinguished! So should it be.

    We should all be able to vote on well defined positions which are on the public record & devoid of semantic safety seeking. Never will it be so.

  363. June 9, 2014 6:14 pm

    Haha, that thing above I mentioned about Abbott not having the nuts for it…that applies tenfold to a DD election; especially at the moment. He/they showed his/their hand way too early to play the DD card now. Too many people are paying attention to everything ‘otherthanthecarbontaxfurore’ which he/they stand for.

  364. June 9, 2014 6:15 pm

    IVIeta’s comment, back up the thread, is great!

  365. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2014 6:20 pm

    He’s tapping into the disaffection with the major parties, but he’s a shyster and a c**t.

    Just what all pollies are … ToM …

    Go Clivey!

    Maybe, but it seems like we’ve elected a gorilla with a few chimps.

    You mean, Abbott & The Adults? Tony does walk like a gorilla, true …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ll be heading into the city centre in about an hour or so where I understand the military guard are posted and the air is filled with nationalistic marching band tunes.

    You little daredevil you … sreb, alright! LOL!

    Don’t forget to take two shirts just in case (a red one and a yellow one) … 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    think that it’s good to have individuals outside of the majors who force them to negotiate, rather than them jamming through their ideological proclivities when they get an absolute majority every now & then.
    That doesn’t mean that opportunist billionaires are a salve.

    ‘Course he is! Open up your heart, brother!

    Go Clivey!

    LOL! Let ’em all squirm I say!

    “Well, thank god Tony Abbott’s meeting Rupert Murdoch in NYC. It’s great that the most powerful man in Australia has made time for the PM.”

    hahahaha…

    Said exactly the same this pm … 🙂 🙂

  366. June 9, 2014 6:39 pm

    ” Let ‘em all squirm I say!”

    Me too!

    The fuckers are too used to having sway with soundbytes & edited appearances.

    Social media, curse that it often is, is The Very Bane of attempted political strangleholds on the zeitgeist.

    Egg’s link to what Chomsky had to say yesterday is well worth reading…then read the monocular conservative arsehats in comments, totally missing the fuck out of the point & misattributing things which they don’t understand to individuals who they aren’t particularly familiar with.

    The Big L in Chomsky’s Libertarianism writ large…strangely (or not) completely undetected by those who think they’re libertarian…

  367. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 6:57 pm

    ‘Indeed…but when they’re found out, their political capital is extinguished! So should it be.’

    Thanks to Snowdon this has become brutally obvious.

    ‘We should all be able to vote on well defined positions which are on the public record & devoid of semantic safety seeking. Never will it be so.’

    Yep, Realpolitik Rules.

    ‘He/they showed his/their hand way too early to play the DD card now.’

    He has no option but to run or become a lame duck one term PM.

  368. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 7:02 pm

    … Snowden …

  369. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 7:26 pm

    The fuckers are too used to having sway with soundbytes & edited appearances.

    What I find interesting is, with Gillard, and then rudd mkII, all we saw in the media was the embarrassing out-takes and mis-steps, but with tabot, these are largely hidden away and coated over with plenty of lipstick.

    It’s the complete reverse depending on the party

  370. June 9, 2014 7:52 pm

    The best thing the ALP can do for itself TomR (apart from significant reform) is to keep its head below the parapets & let AbbottCorp insert another, consecutive, stick of lit dynamite up its PR fundament.

    If post 2007 taught me anything, it’s that if you throw enough mud, no matter how dilute, eventually it begins to stick…then it forms a poisonous second skin.
    Not really how I’d prefer the country was misgoverned. But payback is a bitch.

    I also reckon Rudd’s honeymoon lasted a tad longer than Tony’s.

  371. June 9, 2014 7:56 pm

    Go Snowden!

    The planet is in danger of becoming a rancid, confected, carefully-constructed-via-omission lie, if not for whistleblowers.

    Fuck using ‘national interest’ as an excuse.

    Half the time, what they claim to be in the ‘national interest’ is arguably demonstrably or observably against the interests/will of everyperson. Power favours the monopolisation of itself.

  372. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:01 pm

    Catching up on Snowden, he was conned by a Russian spy into flying to Moscow from Honkers and they then informed the Americans, who immediately cancelled Snowden’s passport. So he became a stateless man and couldn’t leave.

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/ex-kgb-spy-the-russians-tricked-snowden-2014-6

  373. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:25 pm

    “In promoting Palmer, exactly what are people wanting?”

    Well the people on this site who like Clive are Abbott haters. So i guess some people support Clive because they think Palmer will do damage to Abbott

  374. egg permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:59 pm

    Of course Neil, why else would they cheer an overweight ratbag holding the balance of power in the senate.

  375. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:06 pm

    uh oh
    I told you so!

    Pauline Hanson wants Ricky Muir to call her, tells media: ‘Back off and leave him alone’
    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/pauline-hanson-wants-ricky-muir-to-call-her-tells-media-back-off-and-leave-him-alone/story-e6frfmyi-1226948684144

    …“Ricky, just pick up the phone, because I believe that not only myself but a lot of Australians are going to get behind you.”…

    …The MP and Palmer United Party boss said veteran reporter Mike Willesee was a “d**khead” for the “hatchet job”.
    Mr Palmer, who also appeared in the report, complained Willesse was “biased” but said he would not complain to Channel Seven because in “the court of public opinion”, Willesse was “a dickhead”.
    He wasn’t ashamed of anything that aired because Mr Muir and his three PUP senators-elect — who were filmed on a trip to the US — weren’t professional politicians.
    “Ricky Muir hasn’t been on TV before. He’s a hardworking dad. What’s wrong with that? He’s there because people think he’s more in contact with the real world,” he said.
    He said that was what set him apart…

  376. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:20 pm

    rousing rosalie kunoch-monks! peter coleman looks like there is a bad smell under his nose and all that spirit just passes him by.

    haha

  377. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:25 pm

    ooh that stung

    Q -peter would you be prepared to be assimilated into the aboriginal culture, because that’s what you are asking?

    he then prattles about all the problems that aboriginals have [while insensitive as to why]

    Q – are you suggesting that all these problems only exist in aboriginal communities?

  378. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:35 pm

    did you notice peter colemans answer to the question re him assimilating? he stuttered and then blathered on about science and technology and progress.

    Except for all that climate change science I’m assuming 🙂

  379. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 11:01 pm

    hehe, I love graffiti

  380. June 10, 2014 12:52 am

    #The wetting continues, not a dry set of panties in the cubicle today

    .

    ””Which part of his comprehensive (22 pages) policy platform is so attractive?””

    #Clive`s pamphlets are as equally `attractive` as mr-rabbit`s (16-page) pamphlet,

    ,

    ”””He’s an opportunistic, bombastic bulls**t artist,”””

    #and this differs from mr-rabbit.? how.?

    .

    ”””in promoting Palmer, exactly what are people wanting?”””

    # Less teabags, and less teabag-lites, obviously

  381. June 10, 2014 1:16 am

    (dunny)”””””””””””””’He’s(clive) tapped into the politically disenfranchised; multiplying by the day, particularly amongst #‘simple’ conservative voters who expected something different from Abbott. That may be highly amusing, and symptomatic of wider political jading,””””””””’#agree

    ””””but…My Enemy’s Enemy isn’t my default Friend.”””

    #agree dunny, but l don`t think anybody here is `actually` saying that,(l`m-not) but are enjoying the prospect of mr-rabbits zombies of being a `Lame-Duck` regime. Remember, the zombies never managed to stop `one` bill during Joolya`s regime. They are out of practice `negotiating` things and avoiding obstacles.

    .

    (dunny)””””””””””””””””’I think that it’s good to have individuals outside of the majors who force them to negotiate, rather than them jamming through their ideological proclivities when they get an absolute majority every now & then. That doesn’t mean that opportunist billionaires are a salve.””””””””””’

    #agree, tho having pissed-off, ex-teabags on the scene seems to arse-fcuk the teabags way-more than anybody else. (hint windsor oakshot) The pattern nowadays seems to be the duopoly `unite` when they want to fcuk us over anyway.

    Notice this, this week.?
    Wilkie was the one pushing to block supply.? (not-teabag-lite)

    .

    (dunny)””””I also agree with this…””””
    (armchair)”””’you gotta be pretty dumb not to take note of the contempt in which they are held by the public and still refuse to reform themselves.””””””’#ditto/agree

  382. June 10, 2014 1:24 am

    Adults in charge. That is all.

  383. June 10, 2014 2:15 am

    (clive)””””””””””in “the court of public opinion”, Willesse was “a dickhead”.

    He wasn’t ashamed of anything that aired because Mr Muir and his three PUP senators-elect — who were filmed on a trip to the US — weren’t professional politicians.

    “Ricky Muir hasn’t been on TV before. He’s a hardworking dad. What’s wrong with that? He’s there because people think he’s more in contact with the real world,

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/pauline-hanson-wants-ricky-muir-to-call-her-tells-media-back-off-and-leave-him-alone/story-e6frfmyi-1226948684144
    ”””””””””””””””””

    #Clive makes a few good points l reckon, teabag-media seem to harass the least `media-equipped`, and `least-worthy` of attack. This may actually back-fire, as Hanson is offering help to Muir(back in her day, Hanson got 10% of the nation-wide vote) and may end up helping to increase support for `pup`s, Muir`s, and/or the recent ex-teabags that defected to pup. #Go-Clive #Go-Pauline #Go-Muir 🙂

    (roast that Lame duck)

  384. Meta permalink
    June 10, 2014 6:34 am

    (Erm, euscientistic Australia needs more Monashes, fewer Deakins, and no tribal voices, not any, none.)

  385. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 7:04 am

    ‘(roast that Lame duck)’

    Not on Abbott’s watch, he would rather fight a DD than die on his knees.

  386. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 7:26 am

    ‘Since it launched in January, the Daily Mail’s Australian readership has grown to 2.18m unique visits a month and it now ranks sixth in Australian news websites, according to Nielsen. The only News Corp heritage masthead to rank in the top 10 is the Herald Sun, although news.com.au is No. 1.’

    Meade / Guardian

  387. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 7:39 am

    ‘UNION perks such as nightshift workers receiving 115 hours’ pay for a 40-hour week are helping drive up electricity network costs in NSW to twice those of privatised Victoria.

    ‘The perks, revealed by Treasurer Andrew Constance, include double time and extra shift payments for nightshifts and the capacity to take company cars anywhere in Australia with a fuel card paid for by electricity consumers, even when on long service leave. One taxpayer-owned power company has 65 cars for every 100 employees.’

    Clennell / Daily Terror

  388. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:14 am

    Whilst you Lefties get all excited over Canadia”” just as we on the Right got all excited over “Hyper-Bowl” (which was in a prepared speech) Ricky Muir seems like an interesting character.

    He is living proof that a landbridge once existed to join Tasmania to Victoria

  389. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:31 am

    I was about to mention “hyper-bowl” by Julia. That wasn’t a slip of the tongue, that was just dumb ignorance.

  390. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:38 am

    So, wingnuts don’t like it when the shoes on the other foot appears to be the argument.

    all excited over “Hyper-Bowl” (which was in a prepared speech)

    Really? Or are you just attempting to re-Right history again?

  391. Tom ofMelbourne permalink
    June 10, 2014 11:01 am

    I don’t specifically recall that it was in a prepared speech, but the pronunciation of ‘hyper-bowl’ means that it is a word she doesn’t use in intelligent company.

    There was Gillard, a ‘young and naive’ woman in her mid 50s who still doesn’t know how to pronounce words in common usage.

  392. June 10, 2014 11:03 am

    The member for broom brooms brings a lot to the table, You’d think a prerequisite for election to the parliament would be 1 Actually understanding how it works and 2 Being able to string a sentence together…. I guess even Abbott is stuck on point 2.

  393. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 11:04 am

    who still doesn’t know how to pronounce words in common usage.

    You mean like “Canada” 😉

    Goose, Gander. Suck it up Princesses 😆

  394. June 10, 2014 11:07 am

    or suppository…!

    Which just demonstrates profound stupidity.

  395. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 11:27 am

    Speaking of things coming back to bite. Be careful what you wish for.

  396. Complete Bastard permalink
    June 10, 2014 1:53 pm

    Rik Mayall.

  397. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2014 5:49 pm

    There was Gillard, a ‘young and naive’ woman in her mid 50s who still doesn’t know how to pronounce words in common usage.

    hyperbole is not a common usage word … now pronunciation is and that is crucified daily … and a few that I simply can’t think of …

    But even six year old kids know Canada isn’t Canadia … and I originally didn’t give it a thought … its just your harping on about Gillard …

    When did you hear anyone here carry on about Howard? FFS!

    Abbott is a dork … accept it … Gillard was a woman … accept it …

  398. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 6:09 pm

    The Turing Test has been passed, so Hubots won’t be far off.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-10/pobjie-good-news-the-human-race-is-obsolete/5511928

  399. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 7:24 pm

    hyperbole is not a common usage word

    Neither is “Canadia” 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  400. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 7:25 pm

    hehe, I love graffiti

    NO WE DON’T!

    🙂

  401. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:06 am

    ‘Asked if he regarded Snowden as a traitor or whistleblower, Gore veered away from the “traitor” label. He refused to go as far as labelling him a whistleblower but signalled he viewed him as being closer to that category than a traitor, saying: “What he revealed in the course of violating important laws included violations of the US constitution that were way more serious than the crimes he committed.”

    MacAskill / Guardian

  402. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 4:58 pm

    Magic mushrooms come of age.

    http://themindunleashed.org/2013/12/new-study-magic-mushrooms-repair-brain-damage-extreme-trauma.html

    Drug law reform is just a stone’s throw away.

  403. June 11, 2014 5:25 pm

    You will never get that stone over the throng of prudes, conservative pantywetters & godbotherers.

  404. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 11, 2014 6:59 pm

    who still doesn’t know how to pronounce words in common usage.

    I don’t think I’ve ever had an occasion or the want to use the word hyperbole, I guess it depends upon the not-so-common company that you keep.

    gillard may have mispronounced hyperbole but abbott is the walking, talking definition of the word.

    suppository is a common word, not so much repository, I would say that neither abbott nor gillard commonly used the words that they stuffed up.

  405. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:00 pm

    Former Australian Workers Union official Robert Kernohan claims Opposition leader Bill Shorten warned him against blowing the whistle on the union’s slush fund scandal because it would threaten his future in politics.
    In a sworn statement to the royal commission into trade unions, Mr Kernohan who was president of the Victorian branch of the union at the time, said Mr Shorten told him in 1996 to ”think of your future”.
    “He said, ‘If you pursue this, a lot of good people will get hurt and you will be on your own. Look Bob, you’ve been lined up to take a safe Labor seat of Melton in the Victorian Parliament,” Mr Kernohan said in his statement.

    The whole saga will be very entertaining, particularly for those of us that have said-
    o Unions are a poison coursing through the ALP
    o Gillard really wasn’t “young and naïve” when Bruce Wilson was her boyfriend & client

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-warned-union-official-against-blowing-whistle-inquiry-told-20140611-39xhy.html#ixzz34JqveWfQ

  406. June 11, 2014 7:03 pm

    Food for thought… or (un)thought, if pjmedia tickles your fancy…

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/10/bowe-bergdahl-fox-news-experts

  407. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:03 pm

    If you’ve been some form of advocate in an adversarial tribunal or court system, as Gillard has, hyperbole is a word that is quite common, as it is practiced most days.

  408. June 11, 2014 7:15 pm

    Hyperbole is something which any regular reader of polemic claptrap would do well to become attuned to the use thereof.

    It is a tool of infection.

  409. June 11, 2014 7:18 pm

    I believe Gillard had certainly at least read the word on innumerable occasions, but failed to pronounce it.

    Canada, though, is a fucking Commonwealth country .
    It ruined what would have otherwise amounted to a fine spectacle of conservative PM mutual masturbation.

  410. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 11, 2014 10:26 pm

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/11/tony-abbott-australia-climate-change_n_5483409.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    Ouch!
    Budget quake puts PM on shaky ground:
    http://www.afr.com/p/national/budget_quake_puts_pm_on_shaky_ground_d4GjE8ENauOsEguKGxqOlO

    It’s About The Economics, Stupid!
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/06/11/its-about-economics-stupid

    …Tony Abbott shares many things with Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Both express loyalty to a foreign monarch, both are pushing against the tide on carbon pricing, and both are unpopular among their voters…

  411. Sooooo Embarrassing permalink
    June 11, 2014 10:32 pm

    Jeez, I just caught up with the shocking news. Abbott said Canadia! 😯

  412. Meta permalink
    June 12, 2014 3:34 am

    (It figures, I guess.)

  413. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:15 am

    M, your link above re “loonie” fits well with the thread title too? 🙂

    Anyone but thee and I’d think more coincidence than management … 🙂 🙂 🙂

  414. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:16 am

    Jeez, I just caught up with the shocking news. Abbott said Canadia!

    That’s what happens when you play slot troll, ToSY …

  415. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:29 am

    Abbott said Canadia!

    While he was in Canadia! Talking at Canadans! [facepalm]

  416. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:29 am

    I’d think more coincidence than management

    It’s kinda spooky in’t it 😯 🙂

  417. June 13, 2014 2:58 am

    ”””””””””””””’
    The whole saga will be very entertaining, particularly for those of us that have said-
    o Unions are a poison coursing through the ALP
    o Gillard really wasn’t “young and naïve” when Bruce Wilson was her boyfriend & client
    ”””””””””””””””

    Yes the whole saga will be very entertaining, too for those of us that have said-#Go_Clive and/or #Go_Watermelon, and understand that-

    o Corporations are a poison coursing through the Teabags
    o Mr-rabbit really wasn’t `truthful` about his `no_surprises` election promises.

    #PriseTheOtherOneOpen

    _____________________________

    Have `our` Teabags been chortling about #`job-creation` recently.?-Nah, thought not. (Dig up links folks, l don`t have time, but saw a couple of days ago on telly,)

    The recent #job_creation numbers were mainly `junk-job` status, while #job_loss were mainly `high-paid`, `full-time` jobs. (Their description `high-paid` is ACTUALLY mainly `regular-working-Joe`s wage, NOT `high-paid` in the boardroom sense)

    They then went on to describe `historical` job-creation and job-loss patterns, on the job-loss cycle, 50%-or-more of the jobs lost is of the `high-paid` type, while 25%-or-less of the jobs lost are `junk-jobs`.

    Then, during the job-creation cycle, 50%-or-more of the jobs created are `junk-jobs`, while 25%-AT-BEST(usually-15%) of jobs created are `high-paid`.

    #Translation for stoopid teabags, That is a Downward spiral of `buying`power in the consumer-base. Ya`reckon that`ll help`ya precious `economy`.

    #No point showing teabags the `human` wreckage l suppose.

  418. Time Pour permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:18 am

    “(Dig up links folks, l don`t have time, but saw a couple of days ago on telly,)”

    Guffaw.

  419. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:04 am

    “Gillard was a woman … accept it”

    Who is arguing that she is not?

    Sadly for her she attained a station well above her ideas and was exposed as being a stupid, incompetent, duplicitous hypocrite. The very model of a Unionland hack.

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