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Is Tony Abbott’s Office behind Turnbull Media Assault?

June 6, 2014

 

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With his popularity languishing somewhere below gutter level, Tony Abbott has launched a pre-emptive strike against leadership rival Malcolm Turnbull.

Tony Abbott’s popularity is so low that ‘someone else’ and ‘I don’t know’ are more preferable choices to lead the Liberal Party according to the latest Essential poll.

Communications Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, is a far more popular choice amongst those surveyed, with 31 per cent preferring him over the PM.

As recently as this morning, Mr Turnbull has refused to rule out his personal ambition to become leader of the party.

With thanks to our exclusive sources, the Gutter Trash can reveal that the recent media ambush carried out by shock jocks Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt leads directly to the Prime Minister’s office.

Mr Turnbull’s clash with Jones came a mere three days after he described as “demented’’, “unhinged’’ and “crazy’’ claims by Bolt last weekend that Mr Turnbull was positioning himself for some kind of threat or challenge to Mr Abbott.

Tony Abbott has refused to condemn his “personal friends” Bolt and Jones over their assault on Malcolm Turnbull despite no supporting evidence to support their claims that Turnbull is “destabilising” the Liberal Party.

Asked directly if he agreed with Mr Turnbull’s criticism of Mr Jones as a bomb-thrower doing the Labor party’s work, and the claim that Mr Jones and Mr Bolt were running a concerted campaign against Mr Turnbull, Mr Abbott replied “no”.

“Alan is a friend of mine, Andrew Bolt is a friend of mine, I think that they are both very significant commentators and they’ve got a lot to say as you know,” he said.

It is extraordinary for any Prime Minister to side with two media shock jocks rather than support one of his own government ministers, an observation that seems to have missed reporters in the mainstream media.

The Gutter Trash understands that Bolt and Jones have gone so far as to ask the Labor Party for ammunition to use against Mr Turnbull, particularly in relation to his stewardship of the national broadband network.

 

 

 

 

 

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312 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:38 am

    Seemed like a good place to repost this 🙂

  2. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:39 am

    This also was an amusing musing

    When they attacked Rudd’s character I said nothing.
    And when they attacked every part of Gillard’s character and personal life I said nothing.
    Now they are attacking my character and there is no one else to defend me.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/06/05/bludgertrack-54-4-45-6-to-labor/?comment_page=15/#comment-1996917

  3. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:45 am

    I honestly thought you were pissing around at the end there reb. Holy shit, these grubs (in every inch of the meaning pyne puts into it) have no bar they will not delve to.

    Fairfax Media can also reveal that Bolt and Jones have asked Labor for ammunition to use against Mr Turnbull, particularly in relation to his stewardship of the national broadband network.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/attacks-on-malcolm-turnbull-have-been-linked-to-a-reshuffle-of-the-abbott-ministry-20140605-39lzc.html#ixzz33obsjTdv

    I can just imagine the jocularity at Labor hq on receipt of the request. I can also imagine some of the “dirt” they might decide to trawl.

  4. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:48 am

    The last place the Libs would look for a Leader is the Left Hand Corner occupied by Malcolm.

    Joe Hockey is more likely.

    Plus I think they might turn the History Book back a few pages and have a look at how a Party went when it also deposed an elected PM.

    Abbott just wants to move on as does Turnbull.

    Others like the Ratings and the Blog hits

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:54 am

    Bolt and Jones are bitter narcissists, they see every challenge and issue as a personal one.

    Turnbull has done better than anyone else in demonstrating what dickheads they are, and don’t they react?!

    Really, do f**k of Allan, with your pathetic, puffed up pomposity.

  6. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 10:59 am

    Turnbull has done better than anyone else in demonstrating what dickheads

    Mainly because it is “his team’ the shit is coming from. Every other claim of moronic stupidity from ‘teh’ left is just “they would say that”

    Seems they were right all along.

  7. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:03 am

    I wonder which adult this adult is behind?

  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:24 am

    “Mainly because it is “his team’ the shit is coming from”

    Bolt and Jones are not part of the Coalition govt.

    It is none of their business if Turnbull meets with Palmer for dinner. It is the business of Abbott. If Abbott has not banned Coalition MP’s meeting with crossbenchers, Bolt and Jones should keep quiet.

  9. Walrus permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:26 am

    “”PM refuses to condemn Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt over Turnbull dispute””

    Headline at SMH Dope Con. Fairfax trying very hard to Keep the Dream Alive

    Why does the PM have to condemn anybody and who said he should ?

  10. Tom R permalink
    June 6, 2014 11:35 am

    Bolt and Jones are not part of the Coalition govt.

    You better pass that memo onto them I think nil 😉

    Fairfax trying very hard to Keep the Dream Alive

    They have followed the hook to the tee

    What happened to the budget?

    Leadershit, gets ’em every time.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    June 6, 2014 12:42 pm

    Bolt and Jones are not part of the Coalition govt.

    GUFFAW!

    You could have fooled a lot of people … especially Bolt and Jones!

    La lal lala lala lala …

  12. Meta permalink
    June 6, 2014 1:05 pm

    (What happened to the budget?

    Government accused of trying to dodge scrutiny of budget.)

  13. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 1:15 pm

    Bolt and Jones are not part of the govt and it is none of their business if Turnbull meets with Palmer unless it is against Coalition policy.

    But it is obvious they are Coalition supporters. The ALP has its media supporters also. The ABC, Fairfax etc.

  14. Meta permalink
    June 6, 2014 1:25 pm

    (More on the Parrot‘s antics and consequents.)

  15. egg permalink
    June 6, 2014 1:46 pm

    ‘What happened to the budget?

    ‘Leadershit, gets ‘em every time.’

    Very astute comrade, this is Abbott’s non-advertising campaign on the budget.

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 6, 2014 2:01 pm

    “What happened to the budget?

    What has this got to do with Australia???


    Two more opposition MPs have been suspended from the Nauru parliament amid claims the government is trying to avoid scrutiny of a budget that contains Australian funding for asylum seeker
    s.

  17. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 7:40 am

    What has this got to do with Australia???

    On Monday, the US committed to slash carbon emissions from coal fired plants by 30% by 2030.

    Hours later, an influential Chinese government official spoke about his country’s intent for an absolute cap on carbon emissions by 2016.

    Heralding the moves as game changers for the climate negotiations, UN climate chief Christiana Figueres said it could “send a good signal to nations everywhere” to the “UN Secretary General’s Climate Summit in September” and “ towards securing a new…climate agreement by…late 2015”.

    – See more at: http://tcktcktck.org/2014/06/us-china-change-game-climate-talks-resume-bonn/62326#sthash.ObWsF6d1.dpuf

  18. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 8:43 am

    “send a good signal to nations everywhere”

    CO2 doesn’t apparently cause gorebull worming, but if there is a dollar to be made the merchant masters are keen as mustard.

  19. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 10:22 am

    First Indonesia, then China, now our relationship with the US is about to be trashed

    Australia risks seriously damaging its international reputation and being isolated in the global debate on climate change unless it rethinks its inaction on greenhouse gases, international experts have warned.
    And a top adviser to the Obama administration on climate change said Australia could jeopardise its relationship with the United States if the Abbott government fails to fall into line on climate policy.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/us-ties-at-risk-over-climate-20140606-39omo.html#ixzz33uKv8Nyh

  20. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 10:47 am

    Good, screw the Alliance.

  21. Tom R permalink
    June 7, 2014 11:05 am

    It’s all Labors fault 😦

    The polls tell you more and more people are realising Abbott has not so much lost the plot as that he never had one. In opposition he was the wrecker, brutally effective against a divided and demoralised Labor Party, promising to lead an adult government faithful to its election commitments. But in power he and his ministers trudge through the smoking ruins of their policy flip-flops and broken promises, haplessly blaming their predecessors for the mess. This scaled new heights of idiocy on Wednesday when Defence Minister David Johnston proclaimed that it was Labor’s fault Abbott’s RAAF VIP jet had been late leaving for Indonesia

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tory-selfdestruction-is-so-painfully-enjoyable-20140606-zs0e2.html#ixzz33uXSuhqn

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2014 11:11 am

    And we lurch even further down a drunken path of coalition stupidity and stuffing around with international relationships with Georgie Brandy leading the way again … and mouthing off for Julie Bishop … WTF is she anyway?

    These Dickheads remind me of a new manager straight out of business school, with all these “fresh, new, theories” that don’t work in the real world … adults my arse!

    THE Abbott government has ruled out using the term “occupied’’ when describing Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem, prompting suggestions about a shift in Australia’s foreign policy.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/coalition-rules-out-occupied-to-describe-israeli-east-jerusalem-settlements/story-fn59nm2j-1226944597087

    Why not accept the status quo, instead of upsetting the Palestinians?

    Would be interested in what Hockey had to say …

    Just a bunch of fiddlers … once again … like people at work who make out that they are “busy” all the time and do SFA!

    Is that fact that our senior politicians have surnames reflecting religious hierarchy? Abbott, Bishop?

  23. June 7, 2014 11:39 am

    Brilliant article by Mike Carlton on the state of Australian politics…

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tory-selfdestruction-is-so-painfully-enjoyable-20140606-zs0e2.html

  24. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 12:20 pm

    ‘Beneath those crisp white shirts and pale blue ties there still beats the heart of the campus bully. And Australians know it.’

    Half of us think that’s a good thing and the other half think its not. Politics is a rough game.

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:01 pm

    It is none of their business if Turnbull meets with Palmer for dinner. It is the business of Abbott. If Abbott has not banned Coalition MP’s meeting with crossbenchers, Bolt and Jones should keep quiet.

    So much banning and control. Being an MP in the coalition govt is like wearing a straitjacket in a detention centre without the barbed wire. Central HQ is fearful, looking for treachery and traitors across the bureau, the propaganda arm is on high alert, fingers twitching, shoot to kill!

  26. egg permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:09 pm

    Its more West Wing, with the Chief of Staff as iron lady. Why is the Feminista so quiet on the success of Cred, breaking through the glass ceiling to rule Australia from behind the scenes?

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:15 pm

    Brilliant article by Mike Carlton on the state of Australian politics.

    haha, thanks reb, mike loves to wake to the smell of tory panic!

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:23 pm

    Its more West Wing, with the Chief of Staff as iron lady. Why is the Feminista so quiet on the success of Cred, breaking through the glass ceiling to rule Australia from behind the scenes?

    A few successful women playing the man’s game, do not make for equality for the rest of them, the struggle for equality in the masses continues.

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 7, 2014 1:29 pm

    looks like the qlders [with the backing of central HQ] have started their ‘get palmer’ campaign. Why do conservatives love to abuse the judicial system for party political purposes? it has become their MO.
    I’ve been waiting for the dirtbaggery to begin, knew the kneecapping of their opponent would have to come soon.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    June 7, 2014 3:44 pm

    Don’t tell me Robber Barons don’t exist … especially in the LNP … more broken promises, lies, deceit and stealing …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/north-stradbroke-island-mining-native-title-case-goes-to-high-court/story-fnii5v6w-1226946087094

    This massive exercise in tipping ideological carts over … is only slowing the country down … no-one can plan ahead … people are frightened to s pend … businesses daren’t expand …

    National gridlock … thanks to Tony Abbott & The Adults …

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2014 9:06 am

    Oh, to be a fly on the wall of Sir Noddy Newman’s office … LOL!

    An exclusive poll conducted for the Sunday Mail and 7 News showed the Fairfax MP’s fledgling Palmer United Party would attract more than 13 per cent of the first preference vote if a state election were held today, storming into third place behind the LNP and Labor …….

    …. It is the first time PUP has polled in the teens and state leader Dr Alex Douglas said it showed Government attacks on Mr Palmer had backfired.

    “When you are attacking what Clive is saying, I think you are attacking the wider public,” Dr Douglas said. “He is reflecting what everybody else thinks.

    “This can only end very badly and it will not end badly for Clive Palmer. It will drive public support further in favour of Clive Palmer.” Treasurer Tim Nicholls said the Government was just highlighting what it alleges is Mr Palmer’s self-interest.

    “It’s really important people do understand exactly what it is that Clive Palmer does, how he operates his businesses and how he operates his political party,” Mr Nicholls said.

    “Clive Palmer is inevitably, in all of these instances, in it for Clive Palmer, not for the people of either Fairfax or the people of Australia.”

    This Tim Nicholls is turning out be an ignorant loud mouthed, spoilt schoolboy type … the prefects need to keep an eye on him …

    Go Clivey!

  32. June 8, 2014 9:33 am

    ”””””””’Chief of Staff as iron lady. Why is the Feminista so quiet on the success of Cred, breaking through the glass ceiling to rule Australia from behind the scenes?”””””””’

    so dumpty, why `should` the feminista be `noisy` about credlin
    ””breaking through the (#so-called)glass ceiling””.?

    if ya`possessed any kind of `wisdom`, ya`would know 99.99% of the population were kept below so-called glass ceiling, whether male or female,

    and as armchair said, (l agree btw)
    ””A few successful women playing the man’s game, do not make for equality for the rest of them, the struggle for equality in the masses continues.””

    #teabag-media are also useless on feminista subjects too, they`re usually only reporting `agenda`, `sexy` and `brutal` stories of the minority, not what affects the masses

  33. Tom R permalink
    June 8, 2014 9:51 am

    Yes, the ‘feminista’ should be proud of a woman who directed tabot in the most sexist, thuggish behavior our Parliament has ever seen. What Role Model 😯

  34. June 8, 2014 10:03 am

    ””””””””Government attacks on Mr Palmer had backfired.

    “When you are attacking what Clive is saying, I think you are attacking the wider public,” Dr Douglas said. “He is reflecting what everybody else thinks.

    “This can only end very badly and it will not end badly for Clive Palmer. It will drive public support further in favour of Clive Palmer.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/palmer-united-party-would-get-13-per-cent-of-first-preference-vote-if-queensland-election-held-today-poll-finds/story-fnii5v6w-1226946910938
    ””””””””””””via-tb

    Sounds `about` right to me. #Go Clive

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 8, 2014 10:17 am

    If ever there was a local version of the USA ‘teabagz’, it’s Clive Palmer-
    *Started his own political party when the old one wouldn’t conform with him
    *Declines to pay taxes specifically established by parliament
    *Recruits a range of dull C grade celebrities as political candidates
    *Full to the brim of bombastic crap
    *So egocentric that he names his party after himself

  36. June 8, 2014 10:26 am

    That seems to be a reasonable comment if your cubicle is located in Frankston.
    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/06/04/state-government-in-victoria-in-crisis/
    #just-sayin

  37. June 8, 2014 11:13 am

    ”””””””””””””’In his slender youth, Palmer learnt the tricks of massaging the media at the feet of no less than Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen, a grand master of the art. ‘‘Feeding the chooks,’’ the old crook used to call it, in his sly, yokel way.
    http://m.smh.com.au/comment/tory-selfdestruction-is-so-painfully-enjoyable-20140606-zs0e2.html
    ””””””””””””””’

    Yes, it is an interesting post by Carlton. But l also find it a good example of Carlton being quite `Latte` too. Carlton is a bit of a misery-guts regarding Clive. Anybody with any common sense knows Clive will represent his own interests, just as they `all` do. lt seems to me Carlton misses the point with Clive, and probably the teabag defectors to `pup`, is that the teabags are `not` one big happy family, but much more of a corporate directed wish-list outlet, that will slash and burn the services/institutions the people/nation needs, for the betterment of monster-corp. This `may` not sit well with Clive or the teabag defectors, and this `should` be what `pinko`s like Carlton should be investigating and interviewing for. Really, Carlton didn`t tell us anything most of us didn`t already know, but he did accumulate it, with some humor.

  38. June 8, 2014 11:20 am

    (Carlton #part-2)”””””””””’The Cunneen Commission into child abuse in the Hunter Valley found this week that Father Brian Lucas, Secretary of the Australian Catholic Bishops’ Conference, knew of child sexual abuse by a predatory priest, Father Denis McAlinden, but did nothing to report it to the police. Instead McAlinden was allowed to leave Australia, where his practise of abuse continued after 1993. Commissioner Cunneen found that Lucas was consulted about the plan to relocate McAlinden”””””””’

    #dog-club is still disgracing itself l see.

  39. June 8, 2014 6:43 pm

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    June 8, 2014 7:03 pm

    Doesn’t Abbott get good manners … he stood up the Indonesian President … fo no reason that I could see … and does the same in the US …

    Has he any idea of the international image he is sending ….?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/deputy-opposition-leader-tanya-plibersek-says-tony-abbott-is-embarrassing-for-cancelling-meetings/story-fncynjr2-1226947461706

    Please bring my country back!

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 8, 2014 10:27 pm

    I’m not sure that abbott has managed the statesman and diplomat scene yet, he still seems to be playing domestic politics, I think he oughta drop the tough guy act, he’ll never be a match for putin .

    Or, he’s a complete dickhead, full of himself, socially inept and out of his depth on the world stage.

    Foreign affairs was not gillard’s forte but I think she grew into it, will abbott?

  42. June 9, 2014 12:07 am

    ””””””””Tanya Plibersek said Mr Abbott had made a succession of missteps during his travels overseas, the latest in the US.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/deputy-opposition-leader-tanya-plibersek-says-tony-abbott-is-embarrassing-for-cancelling-meetings/story-fncynjr2-1226947461706

    “Australians have to worry that he’ll be embarrassing us on the world stage”””””””

    #oh Tanya, we won`t worry, we `expect` mr-rabbit to embarrass us

  43. June 9, 2014 12:15 am

    ””’he oughta drop the tough guy act,””’

    ”’he’ll never be a match for putin””#don`t l know it

    ””’he’s a complete dickhead,””’

    ””’full of himself, socially inept””’

    ”””out of his depth on the world stage”””

    #Correct on all counts armchair.
    (l`m giving you an A+ on your mr-rabbit studies) 🙂

  44. June 9, 2014 12:25 am

    at the end of a tough guy competition between mr-rabbit and Vlad,

    mr-rabbit`s carcass would strapped to the bull-bar of Vlad`s 4wd 🙂

  45. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:05 am

    tonydumdum speaks French (kinda)

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:13 am

    …succession of missteps…


  47. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:28 am

    Gillard accidentally tripping over is somehow akin to tabot continually using his mouth to embarrass himself overseas

    yomm, that’s reaching pretty low, even for you. Haven’t you got something better? You know, her ass, her lobes, her speech patterns?

    Or dig deep and see if you can find something as smart as tabots multitude of embarrassing statements

    Shit Happens you know 😉

  48. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 10:35 am

    Case in point lolz

  49. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2014 11:05 am

    “tonydumdum speaks French (kinda)”

    I wonder if you would post that if it was a Labor leader having trouble with French?

    On second thoughts you would most probably say they were making an attempt to engage with the French people.

    Lefties seem to have small minds and spend hours trawling through the media trying to find some irrelevant Conservative stuffup.

    Surely you have better things to do with your time?

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2014 11:22 am

    yomm, that’s reaching pretty low, even for you. Haven’t you got something better?

    Obviously not … the same old Youtube vid gets trotted out over and over again …

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 9, 2014 11:35 am

    obviously gillard tripping over really amuses tomM, he relishes it over and over!

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2014 11:42 am

    I made a post on Bolts blog last night. Looks like i have been censored since it has not been posted.

    I made the comment that Bolt said this to Abbott when he was on his June 1 show

    “”It looks like Malcolm Turnbull has his eye on your job””

    I then made the comment that Bolt then spent the rest of the week denying he had said such a thing. I am disappointed that Bolt is now saying he said something different.

    It is none of Bolts business if Turnbull has dinner with Palmer.

  53. June 9, 2014 11:54 am

    I wonder if you would post that if it was a Labor leader having trouble with French?

    Not really..Le Sqweal est une baise idiot imbacile

    On second thoughts you would most probably say they were I was making an attempt to engage with the French people. to be a complete fucktarded twat, reinforcing my mantle of stupidity with childish remarks of repetitive inane low brow imbecilic drivle.

    Lefties seem to have small minds and spend hours trawling through the media trying to find some irrelevant Conservative stuffup.

    As opposed to your acute factual points of salient truth….cnt C cnt V with the silent U 🙄

    Surely you have better things to do with your time

    Yep we all do… just stop posting your inane pointless repetitive idiocy and we may just retain the time it takes to scroll over it…

  54. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2014 2:05 pm

    “”Case in point lolz””

    I just heard the comment on the radio. Abbott said Canadia/Canada.

    Abbott corrected his mistake within 5 milliseconds.

    In the previous sentence he used Candian in his sentence.

    Leftoids are really mean and nasty people. Totally corrupt and people who condemn things in Conservative politicians they would never condemn in their own.

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2014 3:32 pm

    Welcome to Tony Abbott’s “vision” for Australia …

    Who keeps saying there is nothing wrong with the USA – the land of the brave and the Robber Barons free …

    http://www.news.com.au/world/then-and-now-photos-of-detroit-reveal-the-real-frontline-of-the-global-financial-crisis/story-fndir2ev-1226948161348

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    June 9, 2014 3:35 pm

    I am disappointed that Bolt is now saying he said something different.

    Most of us are used to it … keep going you’ll catch up one day …

  57. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2014 3:52 pm

    “”Most of us are used to it … keep going you’ll catch up one day …””

    Well for once i agree with you.

    Bolt tried to make out on his Sunday June 1 show that Turnbull wanted Abbotts job.

    Next day Bolt wrote something different and then spent the rest of the week defending what he said in his newspaper column.

    It was what he said on his Sunday show causing all the problem. He spent the rest of the week denying what he said on Sunday.

    Well i guess Bolt is human and finds it hard to admit when he is in fault.

  58. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 4:21 pm

    the 5 millisecond moment

    I AGREE. Taken on its own, not a biggie

    A bloody lot of “not biggies” though from our suppository of a pm 😉

    http://media.smh.com.au/news/federal-politics/tony-abbotts-canadia-slip-5495312.html

    How many times did Gillard fall over after being forced to walk over soft grass in high heels?

  59. June 9, 2014 4:32 pm

    Squeal is waking up to the fact that his Hero’s……..

    Abbott is a moronic sycophantic neocon extremist god bothering hypocrite liar and his favorite cut

    and

    Dolt , the man that he has been quoting endlessly as if his factless opinionated vindictive scrawls have any semblance of truth or meaning beyond brand probigation

    …….are in fact leading him about by the nose, appealing to his many deficiencies of good judgement and intellect…. Glad he has seen the light. Maybe he should explore his understanding of what an actual conservative is and lift that concrete block of gullible ignorance insulating him from reality.

  60. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 7:02 pm

    Might not be a biggie, but we might as well have fun 🙂

  61. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 7:05 pm

  62. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 7:06 pm

  63. June 9, 2014 7:23 pm

    What a fuckn joke….

    Abbott fails to impress with his bogan French…

  64. Tom R permalink
    June 9, 2014 7:29 pm

    It’s all Greek to me reb

  65. June 9, 2014 7:59 pm

    Are they laughing at Tony Arsehat in Thailandia too?

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2014 8:28 pm

    You lefties are insane.

    Abbott said Canadia and then quickly corrected his mistake and said Canada and this is a big deal?

  67. June 9, 2014 9:51 pm

    You lefties are insane.
    Abbott said Canadia and then quickly corrected his mistake and said Canada and this is a big deal

    I guess Squeal likes the fact that the PM is a fucking moronic megalomaniac..it makes him feel mildly intelligent.

    Apparently anyone who doesn’t think this; unworthy parochial misogynist hayseed moron posing as a PM… an unmitigated international laughing stock with his utter buffoonery… is….according to squeal a Lefty….

    Squeal you are a driveling lemming fucktard, I hope he does us all a favor and tells you to follow him off the imminent political cliff into the anus of historically grandiose bad ideas

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 9, 2014 9:57 pm

    Mate

    Lefties sure know how to hate.

  69. June 9, 2014 10:24 pm

    Lefties sure know how to hate.

    Behold an example of the ignorance that sees Australia in the lowest ebb of political discourse with the most unworthy man ever elected to high office. So consumed with his own hatred of other faux outrage that he does not even understand the ideology of the social engineering he is witnessing, blinded by the stupidity of blind allegiance…

    I think it would be fair to say as a person committed tp center eccentric issue based politic, Abbott is widely disliked across the political spectrum unreasonably as someone who is held in contempt for his dishonest actions to invoke an undisclosed agenda of extremist neocon ideology steeped heavily in class warfare.

    Tony Abbott earned my contempt over a decade ago as I pointed out in my recent article. I, unlike many of the gullible that fell for his medicine show knew much about Bob Santamaria’s operative, an immoral,untrustworthy religious zealot sycophant who is genetically incapable of governing for the multitude.

  70. June 9, 2014 10:33 pm

    unreasonably.. no tablet predictive text..I don’t think so… unreservedly 🙄

    Hey Egg…
    Wow got Netflicks and Unotelly proxy running tonight ..Happy days indeed 🙂

  71. June 9, 2014 11:47 pm

    “Are they laughing at Tony Arsehat in Thailandia too?”

    Nah, not really… I don’t think they even know who he is….

    And even if they did, Thai people would be too polite to bring up what a complete and utter mind crushingly numb pumpkinfuck the guy is.

    Thai people are very diplomatic in that respect.

    I was very disappointed that I didn’t see any signs whatsoever of the military in the heart of the city. Kind of makes a mockery of all the hysterical reports spurted in the pants wetter media back in Aus…

  72. June 10, 2014 2:37 am

    ””””””””””I didn’t see any signs whatsoever of the military in the heart of the city. Kind of makes a mockery of all the hysterical reports spurted in the pants wetter media back in Aus””””””””””

    oh for sure, the reports will be full of hysterics, not so long ago, last week or two, l remember seeing one of our canberra buffoons spouting Thailandia must return to `democracy` asap. Yeah, like our fcukwits would know, or understand the situation.

    The good news for you reb, is you don`t have mr-rabbit over there with you providing endless embarrassment, so you probably won`t need to hide ya`nationality or passport.

    Have fun in Thailandia. 🙂

  73. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 7:10 am

    Good News

    ‘Tony Abbott has been told his paid parental leave scheme faces defeat in the Senate, with enough rebel Nationals and Liberal sen­ators prepared to vote against the proposal to ensure its demise.

    ‘The Australian has confirmed that senior ministers have conveyed to the Prime Minister that Nationals senators Ron Boswell, Barry O’Sullivan and John Will­iams would vote against the PPL scheme in the upper house.’

    Maher / Oz

  74. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 7:11 am

    ‘Wow got Netflicks and Unotelly proxy running tonight ..Happy days indeed :-)’

    Naturally I’m happy for you.

  75. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 8:21 am

    with enough rebel Nationals and Liberal sen­ators prepared to vote against the proposal to ensure its demise.

    So, tabot can’t even bargain with his own mates? ROFL

    Unless, of course, he lied to us at the election, and never really wanted a ppl. Couldn’t be. Only the crazy brave would have thought something so outrageous on the other side of the election 😯

  76. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 8:32 am

    brave sir loin ran away

    The prime minister’s refusal to put climate change on the G20 agenda is yet another sign that he doesn’t understand the forces that will shape the next 30 years of global economic dialogue.

    Lagarde and Kim have both declared climate change to be amongst the most serious threats to modern prosperity. As Lagarde said, “we are subsidising the very behaviour that is destroying our planet, and on an enormous scale”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/09/unfortunately-tony-abbott-cant-cancel-meetings-with-the-climate

  77. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 8:44 am

    And what is it with rwdb and their constant need to lie about hte direction of Carbon Pricing mechanisms?

    The world’s two largest economies – China and the US – are increasingly adopting carbon trading to cut greenhouse gas emissions, contrary to suggestions by Prime Minister Tony Abbott that other countries are not introducing schemes.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-missing-signs-of-worlds-switch-to-carbon-trading-experts-say-20140609-39t8q.html#ixzz34BVk43ZR

    I recall a certain “journalist” who lied to a sitting PM over this matter. yet Carbon Pricing schemes continue to grow in size and popularity (largely due to their effectiveness and relatively small impact on consumers), no matter how often these partisan hacks lie about it.

  78. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 8:46 am

    🙂 😦

  79. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 9:08 am

    ‘So, tabot can’t even bargain with his own mates?’

    That’s alright, some junior Coalition MPs don’t think its fair. Bloody agrarian socialists have little understanding of what wealthy women have to forego to have children.

  80. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 9:12 am

    Lagarde is in the pay of big bureaucracy and cannot be trusted.

  81. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 9:31 am

    ‘Tony Abbott is seeking a conservative alliance among “like-minded” countries, aiming to dismantle global moves to introduce carbon pricing, and undermine a push by US President Barack Obama to push the case for action through forums such as the G20.

    ‘Visiting Ottawa for a full day of talks with the conservative Canadian Prime Minister and close friend Stephen Harper, Mr Abbott flagged intentions to build a new centre-right alliance led by Canada, Britain and Australia along with India and New Zealand.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-seeks-alliance-to-thwart-president-obama-on-climate-change-policy-20140609-39t93.html#ixzz34Bf1RBK9

  82. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 9:50 am

    some junior Coalition MPs don’t think its fair.

    So, their not all as dumb as tonydumbdumb. BUT, this was a major plank in his election campaign. He better put up one hell of a fake fight to try and ultimately not quite get it to try and sell his bleeding heart to the electorate

    Of course, many knew this is exactly how it would play out, but they were the crazies.

    Why is it anybody who follows facts and science can’t be trusted by you. Don’t bother answering, it was a redundant question (as most to you are)

  83. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 9:53 am

    Mr Abbott flagged intentions to build a new centre-right alliance led by Canada, Britain and Australia along with India and New Zealand.

    Don’t Britain and NZ already have Carbon Pricing?

  84. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 9:55 am

    Interestingly, a short time ago, tabot was arguing about us “going it alone”. Now he is leading a push to try and get rid of what he claimed didn’t exist? 😯

  85. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:09 am

    Australia’s overpriced carbon tax is absolutely useless in terms of lowering global temperature (which has not been increasing over the last 17 years anyway).

    It is good to see Abbott as an international leader in the stand against the stupidity of the climate jihadists.

    The argument that the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism is nothing more than a delusional lie. Obama’s attempt to regulate carbon emissions is merely a last-ditch scorced-earth policy of a nincompoop president.

    Obama has served is country in much the same way as Bowe Bergdahl served it. No wonder he is so happy to laud this deserter.

  86. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:18 am

    ‘Why is it anybody who follows facts and science can’t be trusted by you. Don’t bother answering, it was a redundant question (as most to you are)’

    Haven’t you heard, the science is not settled. The hiatus is the elephant in the room.

  87. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:20 am

    ‘BUT, this was a major plank in his election campaign.’

    Stiff cheddar, its not egalitarian and will never get up.

  88. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:30 am

    from eggs link

    Mr Abbott said the he was encouraged at the new US approach of requiring coal-fired power stations to cut emissions by 30 per cent by 2030, because it did not place a price on carbon but used regulation to cut pollution.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-seeks-alliance-to-thwart-president-obama-on-climate-change-policy-20140609-39t93.html#ixzz34BpFMQ00

    hmm, I thought regulation was bad? Didn’t we just have a day where we got rid of lots of “regulation” (read, spelling mistakes)? Really confused now. The small government party wants big government control, while abandoning their faith in markets. It really looks like they just don’t

    The argument that the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism is nothing more than a delusional lie

    Not sure who is arguing that. But, his plan certainly encourages the states to expand theirs. Mind you, it would be no bigger lie than tabot trying to claim that what the US is doing is akin to direct inaction. But, we all know what Obama wants.

    [I]f there’s one thing I would like to see, it’d be for us to be able to price the cost of carbon emissions.

    http://grist.org/news/obama-really-wishes-he-could-put-a-price-on-carbon/

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 10, 2014 11:41 am

    “Not sure who is arguing that.”

    Is that not the argument presented in your own comment?

  90. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 12:16 pm

    Is that not the argument presented in your own comment?

    No. The growth in carbon markets in America has been growing for a number of years, unrelated to this recent push by Obama, who, as is shown, prefers that way forward, but is not legislating it. Mind you, it does encourage it 😉

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=616&p=2

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2014 1:52 pm

    ” So, tabot can’t even bargain with his own mates?

    Abbott’s paid parental leave scheme is about the standard that women’s groups used to argue for-
    One that doesn’t act as a deterrent against the employer for employing women (as schemes that require employer funding do)
    Pays professional women their income
    Provides a reasonable amount of time off work

    Left oriented types would have been in favour of this scheme if Gillard had proposed it as an aspiration, or a policy to be implemented in a few years.

    However, the scheme is too generous at a time that requires plenty of financial belt tightening, and should be consigned to “aspiration” status.

    In fact, all those public servants that get this type of generosity of parental leave, should be kicked back to the Gillard standard.

  92. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 10, 2014 1:53 pm

    (heavens! the dot points have disappeared)

  93. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 2:00 pm

    ‘However, the scheme is too generous at a time that requires plenty of financial belt tightening, and should be consigned to “aspiration” status.’

    Agreed, perhaps he could revive the concept in his third term, when the country is back in the black.

  94. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 2:11 pm

    Left oriented types would have been in favour of this scheme if Gillard had proposed it as an aspiration, or a policy to be implemented in a few years.

    Are you able to point to policy that “teh left” supported by Gillard that disproportionately re-distributed taxpayer dollars more to high income earners than to low income income earners?

  95. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 2:13 pm

    Going on some of the comments here Meta, we need to see about edicating older white males too 😉

  96. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 2:15 pm

    Former prime minister Julia Gillard faced the kind of “outrageous sexism” that should not be tolerated in any country on earth, according to the former US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.

    http://www.aww.com.au/news-features/news-stories/2014/6/hillary-says-julia-faced-outrageous-sexism

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 10, 2014 2:43 pm

    You say this:
    “No. The growth in carbon markets in America has been growing for a number of years, unrelated to this recent push by Obama”

    And yet you link to this in your comment:

    In the US, he said the recently announced emissions limits on coal-fired power plants – expressed as targets imposed on the states by the Environment Protection Agency – would likely lead to more states adopting emissions trading to deliver required cuts.

    You are not making much sense on this.

  98. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 2:54 pm

    You are not making much sense on this.

    I’ll see if I can help you then 😉

    Your claim was

    “The argument that the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism is nothing more than a delusional lie”

    I asked who had argued that. I haven’t claimed it, and no one has that I know of

    That is not the same as saying that his legislation will not encourage the further use of carbon markets, or introduction of new ones, but he is not legislating one to my knowledge. His legislation does however encourage them, totally unlike direct inaction.

    But, are you able to point me to someone who IS claiming “that the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism”?

  99. egg permalink
    June 10, 2014 4:15 pm

    I give you credit TR, you’re a master of obfuscation.

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 10, 2014 4:22 pm

    “But, are you able to point me to someone who IS claiming “that the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism”?”

    What was your point with this comment:

    “And what is it with rwdb and their constant need to lie about the direction of Carbon Pricing mechanisms?”

    followed by a link to an article arguing (rather stupidly) that recent US government changes would lead to the greater adoption of emissions trading.

    In all likelihood the unconstitutional attempt by Obama to circumvent Congress will be stalled in judicial proceedings for years to come.

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2014 5:38 pm

    rather stupidly????

    As you know I’m agnostic on CC … is “in all likelihood” a guess? Whay is it “unconstitutional”?

    The President can bring forward legislation, in the national interest, for debate in congress at any time …

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2014 5:41 pm

    I give you credit TR, you’re a master of obfuscation.

    What nonsense … if anyone is the master of obfuscation its you!

    In fact TR is one of the most articulate commenters here … clive … 🙄

  103. Walrus permalink
    June 10, 2014 5:48 pm

    “In fact TR is one of the most articulate commenters here ”

    Is there a punchline for that ?

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2014 5:50 pm

    Is there a punchline for that ?

    Obviously not … proof in your pudding comment above …

  105. June 10, 2014 5:53 pm

    (heavens! the dot points have disappeared)

    It must be the carbon tax.

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    June 10, 2014 6:38 pm

    It must be the carbon tax.

    Or some sort of climax …

    Shouldn’t you be out protesting or sumfin? 🙂

  107. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 7:19 pm

    you’re a master of obfuscation.

    You say obfuscation, I say English. 😉

    What was your point with this comment:
    “And what is it with rwdb and their constant need to lie about the direction of Carbon Pricing mechanisms?”

    Because of the text I had highlighted in the original comment

    The world’s two largest economies – China and the US – are increasingly adopting carbon trading to cut greenhouse gas emissions, contrary to suggestions by Prime Minister Tony Abbott that other countries are not introducing schemes.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/06/06/is-tony-abbotts-office-behind-turnbull-media-assault/#comment-61049

    As I showed later, it didn’t really have anything to with Obama. The US (and many other countries) have been adopting carbon trading mechanism for the entire time our pm and his media mates have been telling us we are “going it alone”. We have been/are being lied to by the likes of tabot and ulman about the real state of play in the real world.

    And tabot still pretends none of them exist. Talk about “obfuscation”!

    Perhaps I should use that for the punchline? 😯

  108. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 7:22 pm

    Or some sort of climax

    😯

    Personally, I thought the dots had just gone the same way as his points. Into obscurity 🙂

    In fact TR is one of the most articulate commenters here

    You’ll make me blush. Except….. I’ve been reading the quality of some of the other “commenters ” here 😉

    (Yourself and a few others not included there TB) 😉

    Brought back to reality 😆

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 10, 2014 8:01 pm

    TB: “Why is it “unconstitutional”?

    The President can bring forward legislation, in the national interest, for debate in congress at any time …

    Obama is not bringing forth any legislation as he knows he would get his arse kicked in congress. Instead he is proceding by promulgating EPA regulations by way of executive order. That way you don’t need to trouble Congress for their opinion. Those regulations are beyond the power of the legislation they are made under. That is how a democracy dies.

    The Obama line on this issue is slobbered out here by the usual lefty arse-lickers for those who are interested.

    Tom R: “As I showed later, it didn’t really have anything to with Obama.”

    In fact you linked to an article which article which suggested Obama’s current changes would lead to the greater adoption of emissions trading. Which is it?

  110. June 10, 2014 9:15 pm

    “Shouldn’t you be out protesting or sum fin?”

    I’m bitterly disappointed to report that despite reports to the contrary, Bangkok is as peaceful as ever. No protests, no riots, no army on the streets. Nothing.

    It’s funny how the West always likes to portray the East as being in the brink of a catastrophic breakdown when nothing could be further from the troof.

  111. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 10, 2014 9:27 pm

    Obama is not bringing forth any legislation as he knows he would get his arse kicked in congress.

    not so sure about that sb, the american public is turning. Democrats may be able to win votes in enough states overall, despite losing in the oil states.

    Democrats See Winning Issue in Carbon Plan:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/us/democrats-see-winning-issue-in-carbon-plan.html?hp

    …White House officials and other Democratic strategists say that climate change issues — and Mr. Obama’s decision to push the pollution debate to center stage — will have even greater benefits for Democrats in presidential campaigns and future congressional elections…
    …But Democrats say that public polling shows broad acceptance of the need to combat climate change and that some recent surveys show large majorities support the idea of emission limits on power plants.

    “Democrats will welcome the opportunity to use this to talk about the Republicans’ dependence on oil company interests and other special interests that oppose carbon regulation for the sake of their own profits,” said Geoff Garin, a Democratic pollster who conducted a survey in Virginia this week for an environmental group…

  112. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 10, 2014 9:53 pm

    It’s funny how the West always likes to portray the East as being in the brink of a catastrophic breakdown when nothing could be further from the troof.

    How can we be frightened enough to let the govt deny all our civil liberties without a constant diet of a world in turmoil. Best to stay home behind locked doors and windows and give our military,police and spy agencies all the resources and legislation to record our every movement and conversation. Also feeds into our paranoia and xenophobia about the terrifying ‘dark foreigners’. Always alert and alarmed.

  113. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 10, 2014 9:59 pm

    In fact TR is one of the most articulate commenters here …

    i agree, he’s got everything, wit, charm, humour and the ability to cut through the BS, I bet he’s good looking as well, you guys could all learn a thing or two from tomR 😆

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:07 pm

    Is this a wedge with a sting or clive playing nice?

    Clive Palmer offers compromise on paid parental leave:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/clive-palmer-offers-compromise-on-paid-parental-leave-20140609-39szx.html#ixzz34Em4ctjL

  115. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:28 pm

    In fact you linked to an article which article which suggested Obama’s current changes would lead to the greater adoption of emissions trading. Which is it?

    I don’t disagree with that claim. It isn’t, however, the one you made earlier, which was ” the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism”.

    The pertinent section of the article that I was concerned with was the quote I highlighted about tabots lying about the state of carbon pricing mechanisms globally. Hence the highlighting. Just because you want to jump at shadows is of no concern to me. tabot claimed “that other countries are not introducing schemes.”

    This is demonstratably false, as I said. I never said that ” the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism” They already have them, and more and more states are signing up, quite possibly due to Obamas action, but only indirectly. At the same time, China and India are ramping theirs up also.

    Basically, tabot is full of shit, and you trying to pretend it is about some claim about Obama legislating a carbon pricing mechanism is realll beginning to look like another hopeless unicorn, rather than an acceptance of the simple fact that tabot is an inveterate liar

  116. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:31 pm

    he’s got everything, wit, charm, humour

    Are you sure we haven’t met ao 😉

    I bet he’s good looking as well,

    Modesty prevents, but personally, I reckon your heading in the right direction with your assumptions there 🙂

    you guys could all learn a thing or two from tomR

    Just one or two ❓ 😯

  117. Tom R permalink
    June 10, 2014 10:31 pm

    Clive Palmer offers compromise on paid parental leave:

    If this keeps up, we’ll end up legislating what Labor already has in there lol

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:13 am

    “The pertinent section of the article that I was concerned with was the quote I highlighted about tabots lying about the state of carbon pricing mechanisms globally.”

    Be that as it may, I was merely trying to understand your argument. You linked to a piece arguing that Obama’s actions were likely to lead to an increase in emissions trading. When you asked me to point to someone making that argument, I did.

    I thought Abbott’s main claim about Obama’s policy was as explained by Phil Coorey:

    “Tony Abbott has claimed United States President Barack Obama as a climate change ally by suggesting the President’s plans to curb emissions from American power stations would be done by direct action.”

    You seem to have left that out of your analysis. On this issue Abbott’s policy shows that he, like so many others, is a victim of the great climate swindle.

    “Basically, tabot is full of shit”

    This is something we can agree on and I have said so often.

    ”you trying to pretend it is about some claim about Obama legislating a carbon pricing mechanism is really beginning to look like another hopeless unicorn, rather than an acceptance of the simple fact that tabot is an inveterate liar”

    Again, I have hammered Abbott for his lies. The reason I raised the point earlier is that as I read the piece you linked to I thought the argument made there was inconsistent with your approach. That is all.

    “TR is one of the most articulate commenters here … “

    Agreed. As an ALP shill he is among the best. You might recall that when it was time to criticise the shortcomings of the Gillard government you could count on Tom R to stick with the party line no matter how ludicrous it made him appear.

  119. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:22 am

    You linked to a piece arguing that Obama’s actions were likely to lead to an increase in emissions trading. When you asked me to point to someone making that argument, I did.

    Just to be clear SB, your specific words were “the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism” That is not the same as the argument you presented above. I do agree that Obamas policy does encourage the use of carbon trading schemes, I DO NOT agree that he is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism himself, which is what your initial post claimed. He is enabling it, a far cry from him introducing it.

    The fact that, given that states can introduce whatever they want to meet his targets, and that carbon pricing schemes appear to be such a popular choice to achieve this must be of concern to the libs, unless of course, they ignore what is happening, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS HIGHLIGHTING.

    no matter how ludicrous it made him appear.

    I prefer ao’s assessment of me personally 😉 But I’m biased.

  120. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:48 am

    Here they go agaon. What is it about democracy that they hate so much. If you can’t defend yourself, silence your critics.

    The Australian Council of Social Service is concerned that the Abbott government is seeking to gag the welfare sector after comments from Immigration Minister Scott Morrison that government funding should not be used to support advocacy groups.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/community-organisation-fearful-of-abbott-government-gag-20140611-39w52.html#ixzz34HNVN9aW

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:07 am

    ”I bet he’s good looking as well

    I believe Splatterbottom uses his image.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:33 am

    unless of course, they ignore what is happening, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS HIGHLIGHTING.

    Hehhe … yeah, sb, does get a bit like that, TR … and then he accuses you of SHOUTING at him …

    Well at least I’m not the only one … LOL!

    I’m beginning to think the more they play the person at you here the more you’ve made your point … and I’m always conscious of that little map with the red dots …

    Not everyone who pops in here comments … I’d hate for all the BS to dribble out without being challenged and an alternative being offered …

    Catch youse all later … of to see Edge of Tomorrow … here’s hoping?

  123. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 10:09 am

    of to see Edge of Tomorrow

    I just saw the previews of that last night, look good, considering who is in it, hope you enjoy it.

    I believe Splatterbottom uses his image.

    Not sure how or even if he got my particular Colonoscopy piccies, but I can neither confirm nor deny.

  124. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2014 10:12 am

    It’s certainly your better angle.

  125. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 10:19 am

    Well, economist Larry Ball has gone back and compared how much the OECD believed that developed economies could grow in 2007 with how much they think those countries can grow today. The depressing answer is that, on an economy-weighted average, they think rich countries have lost 8.4 percent of their potential output.
    ………..
    And that damage hasn’t been evenly spread. The OECD thinks countries like Switzerland and Australia — which, not so coincidentally, have had some of the most aggressive monetary policy — have barely lost any potential, if at all. But it thinks the euro zone’s crisis countries have been maimed: Greece and Ireland, according to the OECD’s estimates, have lost almost 35 percent of their potential output.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/06/10/will-we-ever-fully-recover-from-the-great-recession/

    The question is, will the adults end up giving us the recession we didn’t have to have?

  126. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 10:20 am

    It’s certainly your better angle.

    it’s up to your personal preferences I guess, but…everyone to there own 😉

  127. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2014 10:37 am

    “The question is, will the adults end up giving us the recession we didn’t have to have?

    Keating gave us that recession. We had over two years of continuous double digit unemployment under Keating from 1991-1994. Nothing like it since the Great Depression.

    During Keatings recession a large number of countries did fine. The USA did not have a single month of DD unemployment.

    The ALP has never had a good record with unemployment.

    I also detect in your posts the great hope that the Abbott govt fails so you can say “I told you so”

  128. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 10:39 am

    Told you so nil (:

    PacBrands head John Pollaers said he was surprised by how fast sales fell following the budget with the weather also ruining forecasts.
    ”The perfect storm has been a surprising shift in consumer sentiment, more than I would have expected, and the warm weather, which unfortunately does affect our business,” Mr Pollaers said.
    The Reject Shop said its sales had declined following the budget’s release in early May. Its winter apparel department had suffered from the warm weather too.
    ……..
    Shrinking confidence in the economy showed up in the latest job ads survey, released on Tuesday, which showed job advertisements fell in May for the first time in five months, declining 5.6 per cent.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/retailers-say-federal-budget-has-given-buyers-the-blues-20140610-39vlo.html#ixzz34HpM6nek

  129. June 11, 2014 10:48 am

    Haven’t you heard, the science neocon propaganda is not settled unrelenting despite empirical consensus by scientific experts The hiatus agenda stupidity is the elephant shit in the room.

    Could not agree more… The miister for cltoral Cliché’s is trying to gather a wrecking crew of like minded sycophant ideologists as all bullies do. A man of direct action distraction

  130. June 11, 2014 11:24 am

    You Know this Ass Hat will spin anything to suit his lying bullsit … This takes the cake..

    “I am encouraged that President Obama is taking what I regard as direct action measures to reduce emissions,’’ he said.

    “It is very similar to the actions that my government proposes to take in Australia.’’

    Please Minister for Vaginal Vindictiveness don ya speedo’s and go for a “Holt” swim

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_risks_obama_ire_with_direct_7ihWxBcgbUzQlPZ6x3OzTL

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2014 11:25 am

    “Told you so nil “

    Yes and let me guess. When Keating went to an election in 1993 with unemployment at 11% you voted for keating. But if the Coalition had been in power with unemployment at 11% you would be saying “ how could anybody vote for the govt when unemployment is at 11%

    That is why i say facts are irrelevant. People believe what they want to believe.

  132. June 11, 2014 11:51 am

    That is why i say facts are irrelevant. People believe what they want to believe

    Poor Sqweel is all pantie knotted again.
    His confusing
    (A) the architect of modernising the economy who has the legislation enacted with supporting measures such as the accord, social security, taxation and productivity reform

    with

    (B)
    this ragtag bunch of useless idiots waving around a doctrine of ideology masquerading as a budget based on nothing more than a wish list of his robber barons that has absolutely no fucking hope of passing due legislative process..

    Poor Sweal.. cry into your Telegraph sweetheart and blow your nose on yesterday’s front page that balmes electricity workers for high electricity prices 🙄

  133. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 12:09 pm

    Ricky the hiatus is real and not propaganda, scientists have accepted that the models have failed. Where to from here?

  134. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 12:31 pm

    egg, out the back with bullshit

  135. June 11, 2014 12:47 pm

    Ricky the hiatus is real and not propaganda, scientists have accepted that the models have failed. Where to from here?

    Well not to make such a broad sweeping blanket statement of non specific generalisation to accord to your minute minority, scientifically insignificant, paid for corporate view lobby denialist agenda based denial…

    Reality would be my best advice as a trajectory back from stupidity… 🙄

  136. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 1:16 pm

    An update on real leadership

    The Irish government is set to become the first country in the northern hemisphere to follow Australia’s lead and introduce plain packaging for cigarettes.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-11/ireland-to-introduce-plain-packaging-for-cigarettes/5514464

  137. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 1:20 pm

    Bring it on 🙂

  138. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 1:30 pm

    ‘egg, out the back with bullshit’

    Surely I have right of reply?

  139. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 1:38 pm

    Flight Centre’s profit warning shows no one in the discretionary retail space is safe, OptionsXpress market analyst Ben Le Brun says.
    “A potential downgrade-a-thon may be in the offing over the next few months,” he said.
    “On the evidence, May seems to be where the pain has stepped up a notch and a lot of that would have to do with the handing down of the federal budget.”

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/spending-slump-hits-flight-centre/story-e6frfkur-1226950311111

  140. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 1:39 pm

    Surely I have right of reply?

    You have the back where you can peddle your bullshit

  141. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 1:42 pm

    ‘Reality would be my best advice as a trajectory back from stupidity…’

    Thanx for your helpful thoughts.

    As a long time member of the Denialati Club I object to Abbott barging in as though he owns the place. The man lacks backbone and lies when it suits him.

  142. June 11, 2014 1:44 pm

    Surely I have right of reply?

    Sure.. just not here….off to your sandpit, please feel free to knock yourself out.. 🙂

  143. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 1:45 pm

    ‘You have the back where you can peddle your bullshit’

    So when someone here talks about the weather or something related to it, I should bite my tongue?

  144. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 1:48 pm

    I should bite my tongue?

    If all you have to offer is unadulterated bullshit that has been exposed as such repeatedly. then YES!

  145. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 2:23 pm

    What if I agree with everything the leftoids say on the issue, but crouched as satire?

  146. Tony of South Yarra permalink
    June 11, 2014 2:28 pm

    The SATP* are in town.
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    *Self-Appointed Thread Police

  147. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 2:38 pm

    Deputy TomR

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2014 2:53 pm

    Sure, but you’d have to agree that something has to be done!

    The blog owner imposes absolutely no standards, and just allows people to post their opinions.

    IT’S A DISGRACE.

  149. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 2:59 pm

    Of course limitations must be imposed on heretics who wilfully flout blog rules, a cone of silence is too good for them.

  150. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 3:05 pm

    The blog owner imposes absolutely no standards,

    Except a specified thread for egg to peddle bullshit, wouldn’t you agree?

  151. June 11, 2014 3:23 pm

    What if I agree with everything the leftoids say on the issue, but crouched as satire?

    Dunno you would have to ask a leftoid, what ever that is, Not sure but I think it’s anyone who disagrees with the neo religious right of the Liberal Party inclusive of card carrying members of liberal branches… for guidance, just mix the spanish inquisition with any despot dictator, add a bit of monsanto, haliburton, whack on about the free market economy, morality, family values, illegals, terrorist threats and you are pretty much there. You get the picture, anyone with empathy, critical thinking who tackles an issue on merit rather than a footy match 🙂

  152. June 11, 2014 3:34 pm

    Says it all really

  153. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 3:56 pm

    ** chuckle

    Good catch Ricky.

  154. June 11, 2014 4:42 pm

    Just in case it hasn’t already be posted…

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/the-1-trillion-f35-tries-to-be-all-things-but-succeeds-at-few-say-critics-but-is-australias-new-weapon-now-too-big-to-fail/story-e6frfrnr-1226950254330

    I’m sure all of the cost benefit analysis fetishests will be all over this…after all…TAXPAYERS MONEY BEING USED UNECONOMICALLY !!! 111!!11!!!!!111!1!!! SQUEEEEEEEEAL

  155. June 11, 2014 4:45 pm

    ** chuckle

    Thought you’d like that….
    Here Jamie has somfin 4 ya Egg 🙂

  156. June 11, 2014 4:47 pm

  157. June 11, 2014 4:48 pm

    He must be A COMMUNIST !!!1!!!1!1!1!1!!!!11!! It’s on account of him trying to DISARM TEH TRUE PATRIOTZ!!!11!1!!1!11!1!!!!!

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/president-obama-points-to-australian-gun-control-laws-as-an-example-of-why-the-us-should-be-ashamed/story-fni6ulvf-1226950336777

  158. June 11, 2014 4:49 pm

    Obama is a SATP!!11!1!1!!!1!111!!!!!

  159. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 5:06 pm

    ‘Here Jamie has somfin 4 ya Egg’

    Wealth sets a fine example, Gina and Clive are in the same class.

  160. June 11, 2014 5:17 pm

    Yes, they are. But Clive isn’t afraid to be seen in public.

    Gina pays for her string pulling behind the scenes. I remember when the rockshifter called her his ‘inspiration’. That told me all I needed to know.

  161. June 11, 2014 5:18 pm

    verb (used with object)

    8.

    to arrange or frame (words, a sentence, etc.); put into words; express: a simple request couched in respectful language.

    9.

    to express indirectly or obscurely: the threat couched under his polite speech.

  162. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 5:38 pm

    From toilet’s link.

    ‘Not mean enough. Not stealthy enough. Especially when put up against its new Russian and Chinese competitors.’

    So we’ll buy a squadron, to prop up the Alliance, but eventually the Chinese brand should become more attractive and we’ll slowly shift alliances.

  163. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 5:41 pm

    Funny I was walking down the road arguing with myself over that, thanks for clearing it up.

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 6:02 pm

    F35 … A SPECIAL REPORT FOR, KNEEL

    Read it and weep …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/the-1-trillion-f35-tries-to-be-all-things-but-succeeds-at-few-say-critics-but-is-australias-new-weapon-now-too-big-to-fail/story-e6frfrnr-1226950254330

    This time I do expect an apology …

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 6:14 pm

    Keating gave us that recession.

    Wrong again … the recession was world wide and unfortunately we had to experience it …

    The only PM that I can’t think of that has actually caused a potential recession is … Tony Abbott.

    Get out into the shopping centres and they are as quiet as they were in 2008 … this fear budget of the Liberal Party is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy …

    Best managers of the economy? My arse! Adults in charge? My arse! Open for business? My arse! A government of infrastructure? My arse!

    And on infrastructure the LibNits seem to think that roads and bridges and railway lines are the only types of infrastructure … they don’t get that education, training and development, health and communication are also infrastructure …

    I see that Australia Post is losing money with its mail business but making a significant profit with parcels … so because everyone is now “profit” driven rather than “service” driven … they want to reduce the mail to three days a week … combined Aus Post is in front … and it is a NOT FOR PROFIT organisation as should be POWER and WATER …

    This drive for profit (WHO”S???) is killing our country as it has nearly killed the USA!

  166. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 6:41 pm

    ‘And on infrastructure the LibNits seem to think that roads and bridges and railway lines are the only types of infrastructure …’

    The masses are crying out for a vision of material progress in the 21st century.

  167. June 11, 2014 6:48 pm

    TB I don’t know why you bother Sqweel is a broken record of inane falsities that goes to his status as an imbecilic troll. Anyone who has even the most rudimentary simplistic understanding of economics applauds PJK’s legacy… Dr Hewson does and recognises Costello coasted on his significant reforms.
    The Fiberals could never achieve the reforms he legislated as there is nobody even remotely close in vision,intellect, political will, negotiation strategy, supportive legislation and outright ability… This very fact pisses off the blind “footy barracking” fibrals as they suffer from policy and ability envy.. this is why they spring this economic stewardship lie every few years and dickheads fall for it. They like rewriting history, Pyne wants it all in the curriculum, they are infact aspirant fascists.

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:03 pm

    Apologies re the F35, Toillette … just saw your comment …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Bring it on

    Absolutely … but as we all know bullies are always cowardly when you confront them … either verbally or behaviourally …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Of course limitations must be imposed on heretics who wilfully flout blog rules, a cone of silence is too good for them.

    And that’s why we built the playroom for you, egg … you ungrateful sod, no-one else has a speshul place … by the sarcasm is couched … not crouched …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The masses are crying out for a vision of material progress in the 21st century.

    My point, egg, infrastructure is not necessarily “material progress” but includes intellectual …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    they are infact aspirant fascists.

    I’d say … they are in fact fascists.

    Luckily nearly all our knowledge is now digital and not confined to libraries … no book burning will help them now …

  169. June 11, 2014 7:09 pm

    No need to apologise TB!

    Those whom it concerned will roundly ignore both of our comments…but are likely to further labour the NBN/ALP/Duuuuh point at sometime in the future.

    The F-35 can’t hide behind a national security façade…but that’s probably where they’ll hide it.

  170. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:15 pm

    I don’t think it is particularly sensible to have public utilities, such as Australia Post, subsidised by taxpayers.

    Is there some economic justification for subsidy or is this only an opinion?

  171. Tom R permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:21 pm

    Is there some economic justification for subsidy

    Making affordable delivery of mail available to all

    Which is why electricity was initially brought under public control, private owners do not provide where their return is not great enough.

    The same is going to happen with the once great NBN. The country will suffer (and yet the country will continue to vote for the nats????)

    It;s called sharing the burden of a society, something private industry has demonstrated time and again it is unsuited to.

  172. June 11, 2014 7:22 pm

    But the taxpayer subsidising Lockheed Martin is awesome … 😯

  173. June 11, 2014 7:24 pm

    Right now, I am laughing at other states privatising their electricity.

    Bwahahahaha…

    See how that worked out for us, here in SA.

    Assume the position, freemarketeers…

  174. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:24 pm

    I don’t think it is particularly sensible to have public utilities, such as Australia Post, subsidised by taxpayers.

    Djawat? It’s a “public utility”? We own it. How do we “subsidise” it?

    That reminds me some economic “analyst” last night on The Business, I think, (what a name) … said something along the lines that if Aus Post had been privatised 10 years ago it would be profitable now … HTF would he know?

    If its like anything else that’s been privatised in the last couple of decades it would probably cost $100 a letter and it deliveries would be once a week …

    Australia Post, which dates back to 1809, has only one full-year loss on record — a $10.7 million shortfall in 1980-81.

    The postal service’s letter delivery business is, however, expected to lose about $350 million this financial year, up from last year’s $218 million loss.

    Australia Post delivered one billion fewer letters in the past 12 months than it did five years ago.

    Almost 95 per cent of mail deliveries are sent by business and government agencies.

    However the overall business remains profitable largely because of the rise in parcel delivery volumes from online shopping.

    In the year to last June, Australia Post delivered an after-tax profit of $312 million – up 11 per cent.

    It paid dividends to the Government of $194 million and $244 million the past two financial years.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/australia-post-confirms-it-will-cull-900-jobs-as-letter-deliveries-fall/story-fni0fit3-1226949752224

  175. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:27 pm

    ‘by the sarcasm is couched … not crouched …’

    You are out of sync, toilet has already diplomatically mentioned my error.

  176. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:31 pm

    ‘My point, egg, infrastructure is not necessarily “material progress” but includes intellectual’

    We take that as a given, like Abbott’s grand plan in the medical arena discussed in the budget.

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:31 pm

    But the taxpayer subsidising Lockheed Martin is awesome …

    Well put, sir!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I was just thinking about putting a review of The Edge of Tomorrow and an idea I’ll put to sreb … if when he escapes returns from Bangkok …

    … along the lines of … removing egg, from his playhole … renovating it and replacing it with an entertainment review column …

    I mean egg, never goes there … and it could do with brightening up a bit …

    Just a brainstormer at this stage of course …

  178. June 11, 2014 7:32 pm

    Makes me think the fuckers want a cut of the parcel delivery cashcow. Always looking for new ways to gouge us.

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:34 pm

    We take that as a given …

    Wiggle words … Abbott’s trashing intellectual infrastructure all over the country … from schools to unis to vet to CSIRO … the list goes on …

  180. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:36 pm

    Keating gave us that recession.

    Wrong again … the recession was world wide and unfortunately we had to experience it

    Not wrong. It was a Mickey Mouse worldwide recession that lasted 8 months. But it was our worst recession since the Great Depression

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1990s_recession_in_the_United_States

    “The United States entered recession in July 1990, which lasted 8 months through March 1991.[1] Although the recession was mild relative to other post-war recessions,[2] it was characterized by a sluggish employment recovery…………………..Job losses and unemployment continued to rise and peaked at 7.8% in June 1992

    Get that?? Unemployment peaked at 7.8% in the USA but we had several years of continuous DD unemployment. Nothing like it here since the Great Depression.

    I think you will find that Treasury/ALP took a different policy during the GFC because they most probably believed ALP policy was wrong during Keatings recession. And guess what. I think they got it wrong again during the GFC. Just wasted billions of dollars for no good reason.

  181. June 11, 2014 7:38 pm

    I saw A Million Ways To Die In The West, over the weekend. It was a bit lame but I’m also a sucker for crude (read toilet) humour & ‘comedic’ (read random brutal deaths) violence…so I got a chuckle or two out of it.

    One thing that bugged me, being a stickler for biologically accurate depictions, was…sheep penis does not look like that! …& it would be highly unlikely that the ram would be just mingling in the mob in such a fashion (even for LCD American farmers).

  182. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:40 pm

    Abbott is taking a big gamble with his $20 billion Medical Research Future Fund. Is this intelligent infrastructure or a wank in the dark? The co-payments are going into this black hole and it better produce something productive or he will be held accountable.

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:40 pm

    Not wrong. It was a Mickey Mouse worldwide recession that lasted 8 months. But it was our worst recession since the Great Depression

    WTF does that mean? More wiggle words …….. actually its fucking nonsense …

    Ricky’s right, Kneel, its not worth bothering with your BS …

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:43 pm

    Sounds like a movie to avoid … thanks for the “heads” up, Toillette … I understand your humour – I’ve attempted listened to some of your “music” … 🙂

  185. June 11, 2014 7:45 pm

    Haha…yeah, most of you would hate it…&, slapstick aside, I recognise it for the load of wank that it was TB. 😉

  186. June 11, 2014 7:47 pm

    Call me a cynic, but the AbbottCorp’s refusal to rule out giving the medical future fund gouging to Australian companies, medically innovating, just makes me think it’s a blank cheque for Big Foreign Pharma to massage the government by.

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:49 pm

    Is this intelligent infrastructure or a wank in the dark? The co-payments are going into this black hole and it better produce something productive or he will be held accountable.

    You know the answers but still ask the question, FFS … the co-payment was because Medicare needed more funds – remember?

    Accounting 101

    Collect $7.00

    Transfer to Dr: $2.00

    Balance: $5.00

    Transfer to Medical Fund: $5.00

    Balance: $0.00

    Transfer to Medicare support: $0.00

    Idealogical BS? Or just poor economic managers? OR … both … OR! … mean spirited, heartless pricks picking on the weak and the poor and most needy in the country?

    Time to grease the axles on the tumbrils, I reckon …

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2014 7:49 pm

    “WTF does that mean? More wiggle words …….. actually its fucking nonsense …

    Well you could read the link i gave. It suits the ALP narrative that Keatings recession was a bad worldwide recession. It was a mild recession worldwide. Unemployment peaked at 7.8% in the USA. But we had DD unemployment for years.

  189. June 11, 2014 7:51 pm

    Should read, above, that they’re not necessarily going to give our money (the GP tax, let’s call it what it is) to Australian medical innovators.

  190. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:00 pm

    ‘it’s a blank cheque for Big Foreign Pharma to massage the government by.’

    Maybe, he hasn’t spelt anything out, but its more than likely the government will try and attract the best brains to extend human life.

    We are on the cusp a medical revolution and big pharma will probably be a major player.

  191. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:10 pm

    Yeah, I didn’t do enough research. Not that it matters, with a hostile senate the whole package could fall asunder.

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4021891.htm

  192. June 11, 2014 8:18 pm

    We are on the cusp a medical revolution and big pharma will probably be a major exploitative profiteer.

  193. June 11, 2014 8:26 pm

    Patenting the Human Genome? Morally repugnant…or an ‘exciting investment’?

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:29 pm

    People should read this article by Peter Criss. Criss was the person Tim Dunlop ran to when he wanted to blast the Howard govt for ordering the Super Hornets

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/there-is-nothing-super-about-this-hornet/2007/03/14/1173722557984.html?page=fullpage

    “Three sentences on page eight of the report say it all: “The consequences of low specific excess power in comparison to the threat are poor climb rates, poor sustained turn capability, and a low maximum speed. Of greatest tactical significance is the lower maximum speed of the F/A-18E/F since this precludes the ability to avoid or disengage from aerial combat. In this regard, the F/A-18E/F is only marginally inferior to the F/A-18C/D, whose specific excess power is also considerably inferior to that of the primary threat, the MiG-29.”

    Forget about the new Sukhoi Su-30 Flanker family of Russian fighters proliferating across the region: all Hornet variants are acknowledged in the report as being no match for even the older MiG-29s. ”

    I remember Dunlop ran several posts blasting the Howard govt for ordering the Hornets. Now everybody says the SH’s are great.

  195. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:35 pm

    ‘Patenting the Human Genome? Morally repugnant…or an ‘exciting investment’?’

    ‘Whether or not genes can be patented has been debated since the inception of the Human Genome Project. At the heart of the debate have been questions about whether discovery of a gene is sufficient to claim an invention and whether gene patents encourage or stifle research and the clinical use of genomics. In a landmark decision in June 2013, the Supreme Court determined that DNA in its natural form cannot be patented.’

    NHGRI

  196. June 11, 2014 8:40 pm

    Neil clearly didn’t read the linked article. He just went back to his strawman closet & dragged the poor thing out again.

  197. June 11, 2014 8:42 pm

    Look at what such luminary corporate citizens as Monsanto do with other life patents in the biosphere.

  198. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:47 pm

    Toilet I see your angst and note the dangers of multinationals like Monsanto, but its out of my hands.

  199. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:49 pm

    I read the article. They said the same thing about the F111 as well.

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:53 pm

    Now everybody says the SH’s are great.

    EVERYBODY? FMD!

    They said the same thing about the F111 as well.

    Gotta link for that? Shakes head …

  201. Olden Daze permalink
    June 11, 2014 8:54 pm

    “the once great NBN”

    When was that, exactly?

  202. June 11, 2014 9:00 pm

    See no point …. TB tell you what isnt Micky Mouse 124 separate pieces of taxation and economic reform legislation supported by modernising the banking systems and switching the economic focus from outdated manufacturing to service based industry…. a small fact lost on ignorant fuctards like squeal who prefer the opinion article over a comprehensive book on such matters….

    Squeals brings another wet cabbage to a gunfight… don’t even bother TB its like talking to a child who just consistently repeats itself in the hope of being thrown a treat 🙄

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:05 pm

    Gotta link for that? Shakes head …

    Strangely if I recall the circumstances were similar to the F35 purchase … however, the major difference here is that potential opponents have airpower far superior to the F35 … the F111 was purchased as a fighter bomber … with only the British STR? (TRS?) capable of competing … the French and the Swedish too had (Viggen and a later version of the Mirage?) … the Russians were behind at that time … but no more … and the Chinese were busy with other things …

    Another major difference is that Abbott has just purchased an ADDITIONAL 58 F35’s over the initial ALP pledge of 14 aircraft …

    … at an ADDITIONAL COST of $12.4 billion …

    … added to an austerity budget targeting pensioners, the poor, the unemployed, school children, uni students and apprentices …

    So … who is actually paying for Abbott’s playthings?

    And RP’s right I know I’m wasting my time …

  204. June 11, 2014 9:06 pm

    “the once great NBN”
    When was that, exactly?

    Before the fiberals decided that infrastructure was just a slagan slogan and everything could be built from matchsticks, perkins paste and market falses. See one of the greatest pieces of fiscal criminality and bastardy in Australians political history, selling Telstra and pretending that “market forces would build a fibre based network for convergent services of the future”… fucking fiberal stupidity ones again.

  205. Tony permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:08 pm

    BOLDING MAKES YOUR POINT STAND OUT!!!1111!!!one!!!11

  206. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:14 pm

    “Another major difference is that Abbott has just purchased an ADDITIONAL 58 F35′s over the initial ALP pledge of 14 aircraft …

    You keep repeating the same crap over and over again.

    We have 70 Hornets and 24 Super Hornets. The 70 Hornets we got in the early 1980’s. They are old. They were always going to be replaced by 70-100 F35’s depending on the cost and the position of the budget. And we don’t pay for them until they arrive. WE get 14 in 2020 and the rest in the early 2020’s. WE pay for them then.

    To believe we would have an airforce of 14 F35’s is insane.

  207. June 11, 2014 9:25 pm

    Stephen Conroy’s NBN was once great in the same way Wayne Swan’s budget surpluses were once great. Figments of their proponents imaginations.

  208. June 11, 2014 9:28 pm

    Co$t seems a little open ended at the moment though, hey Neil?

  209. June 11, 2014 9:30 pm

    You can tell by the way that certain sectors aren’t praising & defending the F-35 purchase that they realise.

    Meanwhile, Neil’s intellectual merrygoround never stops careening past the same scenery, lap after lap.

  210. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:36 pm

    More evidence of the Liberal Party’s self fulfilling prophecy …

    This story was published: 4 hours ago June 11, 2014 5:17PM

    CONSUMER confidence is important, but not just because consumers go shopping.

    They are also investors, employers, and home-buyers.

    So it should be of some concern that the recovery in confidence signalled by the weekly ANZ-Roy Morgan index of consumer confidence on Wednesday has all the hallmarks of what’s known in financial markets as a “dead cat bounce” …

    … At this level, confidence is as low as it’s been since 2009 amid the chaos of the global financial crisis. </blockquote

  211. June 11, 2014 9:41 pm

    “that certain sectors aren’t praising & defending the F-35 purchase”

    It’s a political decision, so unsurprising “certain sectors” are criticising it, and others supporting it. Nothing new in that.

  212. egg permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:42 pm

    ‘And we don’t pay for them until they arrive. WE get 14 in 2020 and the rest in the early 2020′s. WE pay for them then.’

    Exactly, we’ll get 14 in 2020 and if the Chinese and Russians can still out fly us, then the rest of the deal is off.

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:42 pm

    To believe we would have an airforce of 14 F35′s is insane.

    You really are not the sharpest knife in the drawer, Kneel, are you …

    Perhaps the Yanks can explain it to you … note the words “pledge”, and, “on top of” …

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-23/australia-commits-to-buying-58-more-f-35-joint-strike-fighters.html

    I particularly like this comment:

    “There has been some escalation in costs but nothing as dramatic as we sometimes see” in developing military hardware, Abbott told reporters. “We are confident that all of the logistical issues are well on the way to being ironed out.”

    1. This from the bloke who burbled cost benefit analysis loudly for four or five years …

    2. If its got cost/time run out issues why buy more until the problems are fixed

    3. Abbott is a logistical expert in aircraft product too?

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:43 pm

    So what’s the justification for running a subsidised public utility?

    The dividends from them is government revenue, used to do things like build hospitals, or employ some extra public servants.

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:45 pm

    It’s a political decision, so unsurprising “certain sectors” are criticising it, and others supporting it. Nothing new in that.

    The certain sectors are technical experts here overseas including the USA!

  216. June 11, 2014 9:46 pm

    Stephen Conroy’s NBN was once great in the same way Wayne Swan’s budget surpluses were once great. Figments of their proponents imaginations

    What complete Bollocks… See when luddite politicos suffereing from policy envy, lawyers and accountants start talking about technology and scalability. its usually the kiss of death… they can understand a road as tangible… but scalible, data infrastructure is beyound the understanding of fiberals… they hate science and they hate infrastructure. For evey road they build they sell a child….. What so you think that Conroy was the architect of the NBN…. that would more be a comment on simplistic gullible stupidity… the domain of current political discourse…. I guess Malcolm in the middle does a bit of insider trading in a tech company that he sells to a criminally corrupt corporate US parent and he invents the internet right?

  217. June 11, 2014 9:46 pm

    “Abbott is a logistical expert in aircraft product too?”

    Good point. He should seek advice from some of the experts here.

  218. June 11, 2014 9:50 pm

    “that would more be a comment on simplistic gullible stupidity”

    You’d know more about that than I would. 😉

    “I guess Malcolm in the middle … invents the internet right?”

    I think that was Al Gore.

  219. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2014 9:52 pm

    No Toilet

    TB keeps repeating the same crap. He keeps trying to make out we were only going to buy 14 F35’s and that Abbott ordered an additional 58.

    The guy just makes stuff up.

    WE got approx 70 F/A 18 Hornets in the early 1980’s. They are now old

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F/A-18_Hornet#Non-U.S._service

    The Royal Australian Air Force purchased 57 F/A-18A fighters and 18 F/A-18B two-seat trainers to replace its Dassault Mirage IIIOs………………The first two aircraft were produced in the US, with the remainder assembled in Australia at Government Aircraft Factories. F/A-18 deliveries to the RAAF began on 29 October 1984, and continued until May 1990

    These F/A 18 Hornets are going to be replaced by the F35. And we were always going to buy 70 and maybe more if the budget could afford it.

    Because the F35’s were taking longer than expected Brendan Nelson ordered a new plane called a Super Hornet which is a new upgraded Hornet. WE have 24 of those

    UPDATE. FFS TB do you read your own links. The FIRST SENTENCE

    Australia committed to buying a total of 72 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, down from a 2009 plan to purchase about 100 of what has become the Pentagon’s most-expensive weapons system”

    Like all ALP supporters you just make stuff up. According to your own link Abbott is going to order 72 (14 +58) instead of 100. ie less than from a 2009 plan. And who was in power in 2009??

    Your think as a brick TB.

  220. June 11, 2014 10:47 pm

    You’d know more about that than I would.

    Well I guess I would considering I worked on technical design, integration and commissioning on many large and commercial networks for defence ect. In fact my specialist area was voice and video compression over higher order switching protocols within the OSI stack using fibre, microwave and copper

    Well that is till the fiberals fucked the industry here and it all but shut down and went OS.

    Next

  221. June 11, 2014 11:08 pm

    Tony is on remote control and Credlin is driving

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/06/11/tips-and-rumours-1140/

  222. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2014 11:13 pm

    TB’s LINK

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-23/australia-commits-to-buying-58-more-f-35-joint-strike-fighters.html

    Australia committed to buying a total of 72 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, down from a 2009 plan to purchase about 100 of what has become the Pentagon’s most-expensive weapons system. ………………A 2009 policy paper commissioned by the previous Labor government confirmed Australia planned to equip its air force with about 100 F-35s.”

    So according to TB’s link in 2009 we were going to buy 100 planes and Abbott has cut that back to 72.

    We were always going to buy 70-100 F35’s. TB’s comment that we were only going to buy 14 F35’s and that Abbott changed that to 72 is a load of crap.

    THICK AS A BRICK.

  223. June 11, 2014 11:31 pm

    I know who’s thick

    “The Diplomat”
    Australia committed on Wednesday to purchase 58 additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighters (JSF) at a cost of $12.4 billion.

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Defense Minister David Johnston announced the move in a speech in Canberra today, and said that the aircraft would be delivered to Australia by 2023. This will bring Australia’s total F-35 fleet numbers up to 72
    after an initial pledge to purchase 14 F-35s back in 2009. Australia also holds an option to acquire a further 28 JSFs in the coming years.

    NOTE “ADDITIONAL” after an initial pledge to purchase 14 F-35s back in 2009

  224. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 11, 2014 11:33 pm

    From TB’s link

    A 2009 policy paper commissioned by the previous Labor government confirmed Australia planned to equip its air force with about 100 F-35s.”

  225. June 12, 2014 12:05 am

    Fuck Squeals is stupid.. “commissioned Paper” “planned” does not make 14 magically increase by 58 the word “commissioned” does that as in “pledged” in a heads of agreement for phased delivery in contracted procurement 🙄

    What part of Abbott has authorised 58 more planes than the initial 14 does this fucktard not understand?

    Squeal is thick

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2014 12:11 am

    “What part of Abbott has authorised 58 more planes than the initial 14 does this fucktard not understand?”

    None of it. To try and make out that Abbott is ordering more planes than if Labor was in power is just wrong.

    We were always going to order 70-100 F35’s depending on the price and the state of the budget. A total of 72 planes ordered is well down on the 100 we were going to order.

  227. June 12, 2014 12:17 am

    http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/about/domains/nacc.cfm

    In November 2009, the Government approved funding for Phase 2A/B (Stage 1) to acquire 14 CTOL F-35A aircraft, support and enabling elements required to establish the initial pilot and maintainer training capability in the US and to allow conduct of operational test in the US and Australia. The first two F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft will be delivered in the US in 2014. The delivery of the next 12 aircraft, originally scheduled for delivery in the 2015-2017 timeframe, will now be delayed by two years.

    Now read carefully as this bit was important and finalised by and decided by Abbott, it was not considered in full by the ALP, it was drafted in a paper of recommendation that was a joint task force for the Airforce shopping wish list

    now pay very special attention to the phrase
    consider approving funding

    Phase 2A/B (Stage 2) will consider approving funding for the next tranche of (up to) 58 CTOL F-35A aircraft and support and enabling elements to form the first three operational squadrons and a training unit. A Government risk assessment of overall F-35 progress, and any recommendations, to be presented to Government in late 2012, will inform a decision on the way ahead for Stage 2.

  228. June 12, 2014 12:22 am

    Squeal desperately needs to see this film although I think its a bit beyond his sphere of ability in regard to ;lateral comprehension

  229. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:15 am

    If its got cost/time run out issues why buy more until the problems are fixed

    The question I want to ask TB is, if they can accept cost over-runs from the yanks, why not from our own firms?

    THE future of naval shipbuilding in Australia hangs in the balance after the Abbott Government excluded local yards from a major new contract due to poor project performance.

    ….

    “No responsible government could consider providing further work to an industry that is performing so poorly,” Senator Johnston said.

    “This is not a blank cheque.”

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/naval-shipbuilding-in-australia-in-limbo-as-the-abbott-government-sends-contracts-offshore/story-e6frfrnr-1226946226481

    They are systematically destroying our manufacturing base. Is it simply because Unions are present there? Or do they just hate people who work for a living?

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:22 am

    Is it simply because Unions are present there? Or do they just hate people who work for a living?

    Incompetent ideologues … with little work/life experience … nor understanding of how this country actually GIVES THEM A LIVING!

  231. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:25 am

    it’s a blank cheque for Big Foreign Pharma to massage the government by.

    And there we have it toilet, more taxpayers money to the big end of town. It is what the libs do best. I’m sure a guy forced to go back to the Dr repeatedly for his dodgy hip replacement to get medication for the pain will be glad to hear that his extra $6 (minimum) per visit is going to feather the bed of the same assholes who buggered up his hip replacement in the first place.

    When was that, exactly?

    That would be just before the libs got hold of it.

    So what’s the justification for running a subsidised public utility?

    Read and be amazemented yomm

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/06/06/is-tony-abbotts-office-behind-turnbull-media-assault/#comment-61244

  232. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:27 am

    nor understanding of how this country actually GIVES THEM A LIVING!

    Which just might come back to bite them (and us) in the butts

    Australian dollar back to US parity by end of year, says Morgan Stanley

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/currencies/australian-dollar-back-to-us-parity-by-end-of-year-says-morgan-stanley-20140610-39vak.html#ixzz34N8khG3x

    That $8billion to the reserve bank might not be looking so bright now, hey hockey! (not that it looked bright to begin with)

  233. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:33 am

    Ricky the F35s were a fait accompli after due diligence, both sides of politics understood that the Alliance must be upheld.

  234. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:44 am

    Yes, but to commit to buying 100 of the clunkers!

    Which, as has attempted to be explained to nil, is quite a bit different to wanting to.

  235. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:48 am

    At least Tony’s earpiece is more high tech than Sarah Palin’s tactic. Truly he is leading the world in technological advances:

  236. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 9:57 am

    ‘Yes, but to commit to buying 100 of the clunkers!’

    Its only on paper, within a decade the Chinese will be selling an excellent copy at half the price.

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 9:59 am

    “Read and be amazemented yomm

    Really, there is too much effort being required of taxpayers. If the public funds or guarantees an infrastructure program or fee for service commercial organisation, it should be entitled to get some form of dividend from it, not to be continually loaded up with underwriting losses or providing subsidies.

    Every dollar in subsidy is a dollar less in education or health or some other actual public service.

    Why is a few hundred million$$ in subsidy to utilities better expenditure policy than putting it into (say) pensions, or reducing the HECs burden?

  238. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:08 am

    “Ricky the F35s were a fait accompli after due diligence, both sides of politics understood that the Alliance must be upheld.”

    However these people are too stupid to understand that. Furthermore they think if Labor was in power Labor would not have ordered a total of 72 planes.

    We were always going to order 70-100 F35’s.

    These retards said the same thing when Brendan Nelson ordered the 24 Super Hornets. What a bad plane it was etc etc. Tim Dunlop ran several blogs saying what a bad decision it was.

    As usual the lefties were wrong. For some reason lefties always want us to buy Russian planes rather than American.

  239. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:12 am

    Really, there is too much effort being required of taxpayers

    HTFU Princess!!

    Why is a few hundred million$$ in subsidy to utilities

    I think you will find that Aussie Post actually makes money. Letter delivery is the chain that drags at the moment, that is more than offset by parcel delivery.

  240. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:13 am

    Its only on paper

    So, this Governments commitment isn’t anything like the “Gospel Troof” then?

  241. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:15 am

    🙂

  242. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:25 am

    ‘So, this Governments commitment isn’t anything like the “Gospel Troof” then?’

    Definitely not, due diligence will stop future governments from buying lemons unnecessarily.

    Alliances change over time, before WW2 we were tied to Britain and since then we have been indebted to the yanks. Nothing lasts forever and China will have its chance to rule the world without the need of a cold war.

  243. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:27 am

    Definitely not, due diligence will stop future governments from buying lemons unnecessarily.

    And yet this gubbermint just committed to buying 100 lemons??

    When will this due diligence creep in.

    AND, they are buying them, and paying for, cost overruns, while at the same time throwing Aussie firms and jobs on the scrap heap for that very reason (they say)

  244. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:35 am

    “And yet this gubbermint just committed to buying 100 lemons??”

    And Labor would have to. The purchase has bipartisan support.

  245. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:44 am

    And Labor would have to. The purchase has bipartisan support.

    Possibly, I haven’t seen a comment from Labor on that. Have you?

  246. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:51 am

    ‘When will this due diligence creep in.’

    In 2020 when we take our first delivery of 14.

    Let’s imagine a Labor government is in power at the time, they will spit on the American lemons, no sweat.

  247. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:56 am

    We have moved on…In our view it is the responsibility of government to provide equality of opportunity with a fair and comprehensive support system for those who are most vulnerable

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/hockey-dismisses-budget-critics

    I don’t think hockey has been introduced to the PPL scheme yet 😯

  248. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:57 am

    But others have

    As Tony Abbott’s paid parental scheme came under sustained attack from all sides, a tax expert suggested small businesses, including family businesses, could raise incomes to employees before they were pregnant to increase paid parental leave (PPL) payments.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/paid-parental-leave-scheme-could-be-rorted-by-small-businesses-tax-expert

  249. Tom ofKelbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:06 am

    Yes, I understand that it is only the letter delivery division that is loss making.

    It doesn’t really make much difference, because the profitable part is providing the subsidy.

    Therefore reducing the dividend to the owner (us) and reducing the funds available for education, pensions etc.

  250. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:09 am

    “Possibly, I haven’t seen a comment from Labor on that. Have you?”

    http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/about/domains/nacc.cfm

    In the 2009 Defence White Paper, the Government confirmed that it plans to equip the Air Force with around 100 F-35 aircraft.”

    The Government confirmed in 2009 that we were going to buy 100F35’s

    Who was in power in 2009?

  251. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:12 am

    “Kelbourne”? Hand held devices aren’t always good at spelling

  252. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:17 am

    “Hand held devices aren’t always good at spelling”

    You type with your dick????

  253. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:21 am

    The Government confirmed in 2009 that we were going to buy 100F35′s

    As has laboriously been attempted to be highlighted to you nil, the key term was “planned”

    This Government has Committed to it.

    There are different circumstances now, We are, after all, apparently in budget “emergency”. I would like to see the Labor Governments opinion of it under these drastically changed circumstances.

    And, before going off at the others again, consider the terms “planned” and “committed”, and specifically, how they differ.

    I’m not saying Labor wouldn’t have, had they remained in power, but, had they remained in power, they would not have been slashing into the worst off in order to fund it. There are now different circumstances because of the radical direction this gubamint took, so Labors plans may have changed.

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:33 am

    Very amusing (and tasteful) comment SB.

  255. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:37 am

    Committed … ‘pledged or bound to a certain course or policy; dedicated.’

    Like a marriage, with all the best of intentions.

  256. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:39 am

    Good that hockey brought the budget back into the headlines for us all though 😉

    “This budget deals insufficiently with the other, equally important half of the economic equation – raising revenue”, Mr Shorten said.

    “In the 2013-14 budget the Labor government introduced a comprehensive package to ensure the integrity of our company tax base.”

    “Based on updated estimates from the Parliamentary Budget Office, the revenue gains from Labor’s package are now worth over $5.3 billion.

    “But in a clear demonstration of their priorities the government has not once, but twice acted to water down this package, handing back more than $1.1 billion to big businesses”, he said.

    The forfeited revenue could reverse cuts to concessions for pensioners and seniors card holders, or increase costs of PBS medicines, h’e said.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/joe_hockey_slams_welfare_state_5hiOIj8lJsPL7F5zEj3gJJ

  257. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:40 am

    Like a marriage

    As in legally binding?

  258. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:42 am

    You type with your dick?

    You’re having issues too SB

    Your “like a” came out as “with your”

  259. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:52 am

    Every dollar in subsidy is a dollar less in education or health or some other actual public service.

    Like providing a postal service to all regions?

  260. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 12:04 pm

    ‘As in legally binding?’

    Not sure about that, if the plane is a lemon then surely Australian shouldn’t be forced to take any more than 14. After all they said the problems will be ironed out when we pick them up.

    Half of all marriages end in divorce and there are mechanisms in place to facilitate the best outcome. So I imagine this commitment to buy will have an exit clause, as in the Italian model.

  261. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 12, 2014 12:12 pm

    Going postal now, Tom R?

  262. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 12:16 pm

  263. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 12:28 pm

    Going postal now

    Under the new goobermint, that term means “unemployed” doesn’t it? 😉

  264. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 12:29 pm

    meanwhile at the manus inquiry:

  265. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 12:39 pm

    https://twitter.com/Azdastyari/status/476914627612123136
    https://twitter.com/Azdastyari/status/476914627612123136

  266. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 12:49 pm

    Rally attendance now called at 30K.

    Still won’t be big enough for msm to take note ao.

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 1:15 pm

    Abbott gets a Senate shelling on the JSF
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/4/national-affairs/abbott-gets-senate-shelling-jsf

    …Not yet on his radar will be the remarkable Senate estimates exercise being undertaken by WA Greens Senator Scott Ludlam, step by step trying to extract the truth from our Defence chiefs about the largest purchase in our history: the Joint Strike Fighter.

    Ludlam has already uncovered that the Prime Minister has stretched the truth on one matter and then on another. The Defence chiefs asked for more time when Ludlam got close to showing that the Prime Minister had mislead the parliament. There is a lot more questioning to come. Ludlam has done his homework…

  268. June 12, 2014 3:39 pm

    You may notice when Squeal is completely wrong, he resorts to calling people a leftie, hyperbolic projection…prediction, lies… Then he calls people stupid? FMD seriously?

    Tell you what defines stupid. Until I linked the defence site to prove a salient point that I found in about 30 seconds he didnt even know it existed. Dick head prefers second hand shit out of the paper usually murdoch 🙄 This dumb cunt does not even understand what a white paper is, preferring to hen pick lines to shoehorn them into his blatant stupid ignorant fucktard ideology.

    The sale did not have bipartisan support fuckwit as laid out in the heads of agreement all stages were open to negotiation, no matter how you try and fold it. That is it could be changed based on many factors. A white paper is about as far from a contract as you can get you imbecilic blind mullet.

    Sweal personifies an Abbott fan… goosestepping ignoramus who when proved wrong and confronted with anything that challenges their lemming ideology resort to childish responses..

    Squeal proved wrong

  269. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2014 4:41 pm

    “This dumb cunt does not even understand what a white paper is, ”

    My understanding is that a white paper is a policy document of the govt and in 2009 it recommended buying 100F35’s. We are going to get 72 which is a cutback.

    “There are different circumstances now, We are, after all, apparently in budget “emergency

    We don’t pay for them until they arrive. Govt ministers usually follow Public Service advise and it would be unlikely that a Labor govt would have ordered less than 72.

  270. June 12, 2014 5:19 pm

    My understanding is that a white paper is a policy document

    See this is what I mean, despite telling you that a white paper is b>MOST CERTAINLY NOT a policy document, it is an feasibility study that is miles away from an actual decision, which again is a precursor o the actual procurement process; you take this as legislated policy based upon your prejudice.

    it would be unlikely that a Labor govt would have ordered less than 72.

    “Unlikely” …you’re taking the piss right? Fuck are you intellectually challenged or something?…did you not read that document from defense? 14 is the magic number… not your hatefully hopeful projection.
    You are completely and utterly unequivocally WRONG

  271. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2014 5:41 pm

    “14 is the magic number… not your hatefully hopeful projection.”

    14 is not the magic number. There is no way we would have an airforce of 14 F35’s. These things are usually done in stages. And if we have enough money we will order another 28.

    Our current fleet of 70 F/A 18 Hornets was always going to be replaced by a similar number of F35’s.

  272. June 12, 2014 6:03 pm

    Squeal you are an obstinate idiot so wide of the point its embarrassing and sadly you could not even find nor have the ability to understand the source document had I not pointed your ignorant ass to it. . 🙄

  273. June 12, 2014 6:20 pm

    OK, so it appears it’s been neatly sidestepped, so I may have to name names…

    “Good point. He should seek advice from some of the experts here.”

    Hilarious, given that the criticism of the JSF project has come from all angles, media outlets & sources; I’m not even sure that there’s a conservative polemicist defending it [says heaps].
    I’m no expert, but I’m no fool; like many of the people here on most issues. The link I put up yesterday was from News.com, FFS!
    I only highlight it, because, on multiple occasions, certain regular commenters here have seen fit to ridicule the former government for wasting taxpayers money on inefficient (likely less widely condemned, or at least less verifiably condemned, than the JSF project) spendthrift projects.

    I’ve always maintained that the JSF project has/had partisan approval. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ALP jumped/jumps horses midstream over this; because that would be predictably politically opportunist.

    What makes this interesting is the input (or lack thereof) of those who made a rod for the former ALP’s governmental back over ‘inefficient’ spending.
    A bit of evidence to suggest that the JSF is just that…and possibly, probably even, much worse. 😯
    Makes me think maybe their criticisms were purely partisan.

    “It’s a political decision, so unsurprising “certain sectors” are criticising it, and others supporting it. Nothing new in that.”

    Hilarity ensues. Mark one down for Cpt. Oblivious & his troupe.

    Next will be names being named.

  274. June 12, 2014 7:10 pm

    bump

  275. Pseudonymous permalink
    June 12, 2014 7:31 pm

    “Next will be names being named.”

    The unnamed will be nonplussed at the prospect, no doubt.

  276. June 12, 2014 7:34 pm

    Haha, made you look!

    All good natured prompting, of course. 😉

  277. June 12, 2014 7:35 pm

    I think you cunningly & skilfully employ the crux of the Jefferson quote, often; religious barb aside. It’s a great quote.

  278. Sake of Argument permalink
    June 12, 2014 7:44 pm

    🙂

    I’m not going to be goaded into defending or criticising the JSF. The partisans above are doing a good enough job, and the topic really doesn’t interest me, except as another vehicle to exercise the musculus argumentus.

  279. June 12, 2014 7:52 pm

    But…does it not put paid to ‘lesser’ partisan arguments (supposedly) for ‘wisely & prudently’ spending the money which they forcibly remove from what we’ve earned?

    Also, I can now reliably inform everyone that it costs substantially more to avoid voting in a State election (in SA at least) than a federal election. Substantially More … * [yell]

  280. Fight Or Flight permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:31 pm

    “But…does it not put paid to ‘lesser’ partisan arguments (supposedly) for ‘wisely & prudently’ spending the money which they forcibly remove from what we’ve earned?”

    How governments waste spend taxpayers’ money is a topic that interests me, for sure. In order to establish that money is wasted or could be better spent, we need to consider a few other things: whether we need a defence force in the first place; if so, how much should be allocated to defence in the budget (at the expense of other “social” items); how should that money be distributed between the different land/sea/air arms; re air capability, what kinds of aircraft should we have; should we have a “strike fighter”; if so, what “make” or “model” and why; should we procure from traditional allies; how many should we buy; etc etc etc..

    It’s complicated.

  281. June 12, 2014 9:23 pm

    It is complicated.

    So purchase on merit then?

    Not a blank cheque?

  282. June 12, 2014 9:25 pm

    * YomM…

    There…I said it…

  283. Blanquo permalink
    June 12, 2014 9:34 pm

    “So purchase on merit then? Not a blank cheque?”

    Only fools issue blank cheques. (Merit is a blank word.)

  284. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:23 am

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/24/jets-a24.html

    “There was immediate bipartisan support for the purchase within the political establishment. Opposition leader Bill Shorten not only backed the decision, but claimed credit for it. “It was Labor who believed that the Joint Strike Fighter was an appropriate addition to our air power,” he told Radio National.

    The Howard Liberal government agreed to the initial purchase of F-35s in 2002, but it was the Gillard Labor government that fully backed the Obama administration’s “pivot” in 2010 and paved the way for the latest package. In May 2012, the Gillard government deferred approval of the F-35 purchase by two years, in order to “align” the Australian air force’s planned F-35 operating start date in 2020 with that of the US Air Force.”

    I have no idea if the F35 is a good or bad plane. My comments are directed at the retards who think Abbott has ordered an extra 58 planes above what we were going to order.

    Looks like the current order would have happened two years ago if there were no problems with the plane.

  285. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:31 am

    Beware the sabre rattlers … especially those who’ve never fired a weapon in defence of their mates …

    TONY Abbott has offered extra military assistance to United States President Barack Obama, declaring the US cannot be the world’s security force alone.

    He also struck a deal for closer military cooperation with the US that could see more joint operations.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/barack-obama-tony-abbott-enhance-defence-ties-in-white-house-meeting/story-fndir2ev-1226952649530

  286. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:37 am

    Sycophant.

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:42 am

    What most people don’t realise (especially Abbott, it seems), is that our ADF personnel after 12 years or rotations to Afghanistan, are getting weary … and so are their families …

    Maybe some of the commenters here could volunteer .. or maybe Tony Abbott’s plan is to fill the ranks with the unemployed … you know the 18 to 30 year olds … who won’t get support …

    … if that is Abbott’s hidden agenda (and I’m fast reaching the conclusion that there are many in this Budget) … then he understands little about the ADF too …*

    And it is 1950’s style thinking …

  288. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:43 am

    Sycophant.

    Like a disease …

  289. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 13, 2014 10:49 am

    “Possibly, I haven’t seen a comment from Labor on that. Have you?

    Opposition leader Bill Shorten not only backed the decision, but claimed credit for it. “It was Labor who believed that the Joint Strike Fighter was an appropriate addition to our air power,” he told Radio National.

  290. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:20 pm

    “Possibly, I haven’t seen a comment from Labor on that. Have you?”

    http://billshorten.com.au/abc-radio-national-with-alison-carabine

    SHORTEN: Yes, it was Labor who believed that the joint strike fighter was an appropriate addition to our air power. There had been some problems in terms of aspects of the aircraft but it appears that they have been ironed out, so Labor does think that the addition to our air force is the right way to go.

    CARABINE: But since Labor’s last white paper the budget has deteriorated, the 58 stealth fighters will cost nearly $12.5 billion. Can we still afford such a big outlay or should the government maybe looking at cutting back its order from the Pentagon?

    SHORTEN: Well these are very long term purchases, the acquisitions are over a very long period of time, so these defence purchases are necessary for our forward security plans over a number of decades, it’s pretty long term investment.

  291. June 14, 2014 2:17 am

    Squeal you fuckwit read the source document and admit you were wrong you fucking dipshit….

    Its there in black and white what the fuck is your problem?… Like everything else you are flogging a dead horse let go give it up move on… You are wrong, no amount of bold type and opinion quoting projection will alter the fact that you are acrimoniously incorrect in the most magnanimous way… Next

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  292. egg permalink
    June 14, 2014 7:42 am

    Neil is the clear winner of this debate, as discussed at the beginning, its a bipartisan arrangement.

  293. egg permalink
    June 14, 2014 7:55 am

    ‘The NSW Nationals have called on the federal government to fulfil the Gonski school funding deal signed by the Gillard government, backing Adrian Piccoli, the state Education Minister.

    ‘And NSW regional areas have been promised a big boost in funding for water security, tourism and freight in next week’s state budget, with Nationals leader Andrew Stoner saying there would be $1 billion in investment in regional infrastructure.’

    Oz

  294. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 14, 2014 1:00 pm

    Neil is the clear winner of this debate, as discussed at the beginning, its a bipartisan arrangement”

    Beats me what these deadbeats are on about. My knowledge of the F35 is zero. But the purchase has bipartisan support.

    It does appear that ALP supporters are using military purchases for political advantage.

    Basically they do not give a stuff about Australia.

  295. Eff Thirty Five permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:52 pm

    “Neil is the clear winner of this debate, as discussed at the beginning, its a bipartisan arrangement.”

    True dat.

  296. June 15, 2014 3:02 pm

    ””””””’As you know I’m agnostic on CC … is “in all likelihood” a guess?””””’

    this is still the oddest comment you continually make TB, for somebody that claims `quals`/education is important,

    it seems 97% of science `quals` are worthless

  297. June 15, 2014 3:15 pm

    ”””””””””’lesser’ partisan arguments (supposedly) for ‘wisely & prudently’ spending the money which they forcibly remove from what we’ve earned?”””””””

    l reckon the flying trash-cans high-light the teabag insanity, they can`t make a sane case on just about anything, spent big buck$ on flying junk, while claiming financial responsibility, and slashing all types of essential services. #Teabag-lnsanity

    _____

    so dunny, sounds like ya`got busted for denying the interlopers ya`support, what did they $ting you

  298. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 3:28 pm

    “l reckon the flying trash-cans high-light the teabag insanity

    Man you people make me sick. The F35’s have bipartisan support. Now they may be flying trash cans but they are trash cans with Coalition and Labor support. We were always going to order 70-100 F35’s to replace our 70 F/A Hornets

    By the way we could save a lot of money by not having an Army, Navy, Air Force.

    What do you think?

  299. June 15, 2014 3:45 pm

    who gives a fcuk what l `think`,

    what l `know` is both blue `and` red are inflicted with teabag-insanity, and with the appearance of `drones` on the market,

    the flying trash-cans are nothing more than aircraft-industry `welfare`, and there is no rush to waste buying junk, or the quantity of junk, more product should have been looked at, including from ussr/russia and china

  300. June 15, 2014 3:50 pm

    Sanctimonious fucktard, gets proven wrong now he is attempting sarcasm? … Comedic relief, wheres my rotten tomatoes.. pathetic. 😦

  301. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 3:56 pm

    You did not answer the question.

    Should we have an Army, Navy Air Force??

  302. June 15, 2014 4:16 pm

    it happens

  303. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 4:27 pm

    If you think we should have an Army, Navy, Airforce maybe you should stand for office, become defence Minister and then you can order the equipment we should be buying.

    Remember Tim Dunlop and his supporters blasted Brendon Nelson for ordering the Super Hornets. Now everybody is saying what a great buy the Super Hornets were.

    Should we have an Army, Navy Air Force??

  304. egg permalink
    June 15, 2014 4:36 pm

    Neil asks a loaded question.

    Australia won’t need a defence force after we give up out ties with the American war machine.

  305. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2014 4:40 pm

    🙄 💩

  306. June 16, 2014 9:10 am

    You did not answer the question.
    Should we have an Army, Navy Air Force??

    Childish attempts at sarcastic sanctimonious stupidity after you have been proven wrong is beneath me, however I do forgive you for not apologizing as I feel your ignorance displays you don’t know any better.

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