Is Tony Abbott’s Office behind Turnbull Media Assault?
With his popularity languishing somewhere below gutter level, Tony Abbott has launched a pre-emptive strike against leadership rival Malcolm Turnbull.
Tony Abbott’s popularity is so low that ‘someone else’ and ‘I don’t know’ are more preferable choices to lead the Liberal Party according to the latest Essential poll.
Communications Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, is a far more popular choice amongst those surveyed, with 31 per cent preferring him over the PM.
As recently as this morning, Mr Turnbull has refused to rule out his personal ambition to become leader of the party.
With thanks to our exclusive sources, the Gutter Trash can reveal that the recent media ambush carried out by shock jocks Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt leads directly to the Prime Minister’s office.
Mr Turnbull’s clash with Jones came a mere three days after he described as “demented’’, “unhinged’’ and “crazy’’ claims by Bolt last weekend that Mr Turnbull was positioning himself for some kind of threat or challenge to Mr Abbott.
Tony Abbott has refused to condemn his “personal friends” Bolt and Jones over their assault on Malcolm Turnbull despite no supporting evidence to support their claims that Turnbull is “destabilising” the Liberal Party.
Asked directly if he agreed with Mr Turnbull’s criticism of Mr Jones as a bomb-thrower doing the Labor party’s work, and the claim that Mr Jones and Mr Bolt were running a concerted campaign against Mr Turnbull, Mr Abbott replied “no”.
“Alan is a friend of mine, Andrew Bolt is a friend of mine, I think that they are both very significant commentators and they’ve got a lot to say as you know,” he said.
It is extraordinary for any Prime Minister to side with two media shock jocks rather than support one of his own government ministers, an observation that seems to have missed reporters in the mainstream media.
The Gutter Trash understands that Bolt and Jones have gone so far as to ask the Labor Party for ammunition to use against Mr Turnbull, particularly in relation to his stewardship of the national broadband network.
Seemed like a good place to repost this 🙂
This also was an amusing musing
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/06/05/bludgertrack-54-4-45-6-to-labor/?comment_page=15/#comment-1996917
I honestly thought you were pissing around at the end there reb. Holy shit, these grubs (in every inch of the meaning pyne puts into it) have no bar they will not delve to.
Fairfax Media can also reveal that Bolt and Jones have asked Labor for ammunition to use against Mr Turnbull, particularly in relation to his stewardship of the national broadband network.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/attacks-on-malcolm-turnbull-have-been-linked-to-a-reshuffle-of-the-abbott-ministry-20140605-39lzc.html#ixzz33obsjTdv
I can just imagine the jocularity at Labor hq on receipt of the request. I can also imagine some of the “dirt” they might decide to trawl.
The last place the Libs would look for a Leader is the Left Hand Corner occupied by Malcolm.
Joe Hockey is more likely.
Plus I think they might turn the History Book back a few pages and have a look at how a Party went when it also deposed an elected PM.
Abbott just wants to move on as does Turnbull.
Others like the Ratings and the Blog hits
Bolt and Jones are bitter narcissists, they see every challenge and issue as a personal one.
Turnbull has done better than anyone else in demonstrating what dickheads they are, and don’t they react?!
Really, do f**k of Allan, with your pathetic, puffed up pomposity.
Turnbull has done better than anyone else in demonstrating what dickheads
Mainly because it is “his team’ the shit is coming from. Every other claim of moronic stupidity from ‘teh’ left is just “they would say that”
Seems they were right all along.
I wonder which adult this adult is behind?
“Mainly because it is “his team’ the shit is coming from”
Bolt and Jones are not part of the Coalition govt.
It is none of their business if Turnbull meets with Palmer for dinner. It is the business of Abbott. If Abbott has not banned Coalition MP’s meeting with crossbenchers, Bolt and Jones should keep quiet.
“”PM refuses to condemn Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt over Turnbull dispute””
Headline at SMH Dope Con. Fairfax trying very hard to Keep the Dream Alive
Why does the PM have to condemn anybody and who said he should ?
Bolt and Jones are not part of the Coalition govt.
You better pass that memo onto them I think nil 😉
Fairfax trying very hard to Keep the Dream Alive
They have followed the hook to the tee
What happened to the budget?
Leadershit, gets ’em every time.
Bolt and Jones are not part of the Coalition govt.
GUFFAW!
You could have fooled a lot of people … especially Bolt and Jones!
La lal lala lala lala …
(What happened to the budget?
Government accused of trying to dodge scrutiny of budget.)
Bolt and Jones are not part of the govt and it is none of their business if Turnbull meets with Palmer unless it is against Coalition policy.
But it is obvious they are Coalition supporters. The ALP has its media supporters also. The ABC, Fairfax etc.
(More on the Parrot‘s antics and consequents.)
‘What happened to the budget?
‘Leadershit, gets ‘em every time.’
Very astute comrade, this is Abbott’s non-advertising campaign on the budget.
“What happened to the budget?”
What has this got to do with Australia???
Two more opposition MPs have been suspended from the Nauru parliament amid claims the government is trying to avoid scrutiny of a budget that contains Australian funding for asylum seekers.
What has this got to do with Australia???
On Monday, the US committed to slash carbon emissions from coal fired plants by 30% by 2030.
Hours later, an influential Chinese government official spoke about his country’s intent for an absolute cap on carbon emissions by 2016.
Heralding the moves as game changers for the climate negotiations, UN climate chief Christiana Figueres said it could “send a good signal to nations everywhere” to the “UN Secretary General’s Climate Summit in September” and “ towards securing a new…climate agreement by…late 2015”.
– See more at: http://tcktcktck.org/2014/06/us-china-change-game-climate-talks-resume-bonn/62326#sthash.ObWsF6d1.dpuf
“send a good signal to nations everywhere”
CO2 doesn’t apparently cause gorebull worming, but if there is a dollar to be made the merchant masters are keen as mustard.
First Indonesia, then China, now our relationship with the US is about to be trashed
Australia risks seriously damaging its international reputation and being isolated in the global debate on climate change unless it rethinks its inaction on greenhouse gases, international experts have warned.
And a top adviser to the Obama administration on climate change said Australia could jeopardise its relationship with the United States if the Abbott government fails to fall into line on climate policy.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/us-ties-at-risk-over-climate-20140606-39omo.html#ixzz33uKv8Nyh
Good, screw the Alliance.
It’s all Labors fault 😦
The polls tell you more and more people are realising Abbott has not so much lost the plot as that he never had one. In opposition he was the wrecker, brutally effective against a divided and demoralised Labor Party, promising to lead an adult government faithful to its election commitments. But in power he and his ministers trudge through the smoking ruins of their policy flip-flops and broken promises, haplessly blaming their predecessors for the mess. This scaled new heights of idiocy on Wednesday when Defence Minister David Johnston proclaimed that it was Labor’s fault Abbott’s RAAF VIP jet had been late leaving for Indonesia
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tory-selfdestruction-is-so-painfully-enjoyable-20140606-zs0e2.html#ixzz33uXSuhqn
And we lurch even further down a drunken path of coalition stupidity and stuffing around with international relationships with Georgie Brandy leading the way again … and mouthing off for Julie Bishop … WTF is she anyway?
These Dickheads remind me of a new manager straight out of business school, with all these “fresh, new, theories” that don’t work in the real world … adults my arse!
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/coalition-rules-out-occupied-to-describe-israeli-east-jerusalem-settlements/story-fn59nm2j-1226944597087
Why not accept the status quo, instead of upsetting the Palestinians?
Would be interested in what Hockey had to say …
Just a bunch of fiddlers … once again … like people at work who make out that they are “busy” all the time and do SFA!
Is that fact that our senior politicians have surnames reflecting religious hierarchy? Abbott, Bishop?
Brilliant article by Mike Carlton on the state of Australian politics…
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tory-selfdestruction-is-so-painfully-enjoyable-20140606-zs0e2.html
‘Beneath those crisp white shirts and pale blue ties there still beats the heart of the campus bully. And Australians know it.’
Half of us think that’s a good thing and the other half think its not. Politics is a rough game.
It is none of their business if Turnbull meets with Palmer for dinner. It is the business of Abbott. If Abbott has not banned Coalition MP’s meeting with crossbenchers, Bolt and Jones should keep quiet.
So much banning and control. Being an MP in the coalition govt is like wearing a straitjacket in a detention centre without the barbed wire. Central HQ is fearful, looking for treachery and traitors across the bureau, the propaganda arm is on high alert, fingers twitching, shoot to kill!
Its more West Wing, with the Chief of Staff as iron lady. Why is the Feminista so quiet on the success of Cred, breaking through the glass ceiling to rule Australia from behind the scenes?
Brilliant article by Mike Carlton on the state of Australian politics.
haha, thanks reb, mike loves to wake to the smell of tory panic!
Its more West Wing, with the Chief of Staff as iron lady. Why is the Feminista so quiet on the success of Cred, breaking through the glass ceiling to rule Australia from behind the scenes?
A few successful women playing the man’s game, do not make for equality for the rest of them, the struggle for equality in the masses continues.
looks like the qlders [with the backing of central HQ] have started their ‘get palmer’ campaign. Why do conservatives love to abuse the judicial system for party political purposes? it has become their MO.
I’ve been waiting for the dirtbaggery to begin, knew the kneecapping of their opponent would have to come soon.
Don’t tell me Robber Barons don’t exist … especially in the LNP … more broken promises, lies, deceit and stealing …
http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/north-stradbroke-island-mining-native-title-case-goes-to-high-court/story-fnii5v6w-1226946087094
This massive exercise in tipping ideological carts over … is only slowing the country down … no-one can plan ahead … people are frightened to s pend … businesses daren’t expand …
National gridlock … thanks to Tony Abbott & The Adults …
Oh, to be a fly on the wall of Sir Noddy Newman’s office … LOL!
This Tim Nicholls is turning out be an ignorant loud mouthed, spoilt schoolboy type … the prefects need to keep an eye on him …
Go Clivey!
http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/palmer-united-party-would-get-13-per-cent-of-first-preference-vote-if-queensland-election-held-today-poll-finds/story-fnii5v6w-1226946910938
”””””””’Chief of Staff as iron lady. Why is the Feminista so quiet on the success of Cred, breaking through the glass ceiling to rule Australia from behind the scenes?”””””””’
so dumpty, why `should` the feminista be `noisy` about credlin
””breaking through the (#so-called)glass ceiling””.?
if ya`possessed any kind of `wisdom`, ya`would know 99.99% of the population were kept below so-called glass ceiling, whether male or female,
and as armchair said, (l agree btw)
””A few successful women playing the man’s game, do not make for equality for the rest of them, the struggle for equality in the masses continues.””
#teabag-media are also useless on feminista subjects too, they`re usually only reporting `agenda`, `sexy` and `brutal` stories of the minority, not what affects the masses
Yes, the ‘feminista’ should be proud of a woman who directed tabot in the most sexist, thuggish behavior our Parliament has ever seen. What Role Model 😯
””””””””Government attacks on Mr Palmer had backfired.
“When you are attacking what Clive is saying, I think you are attacking the wider public,” Dr Douglas said. “He is reflecting what everybody else thinks.
“This can only end very badly and it will not end badly for Clive Palmer. It will drive public support further in favour of Clive Palmer.
http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/palmer-united-party-would-get-13-per-cent-of-first-preference-vote-if-queensland-election-held-today-poll-finds/story-fnii5v6w-1226946910938
””””””””””””via-tb
Sounds `about` right to me. #Go Clive
If ever there was a local version of the USA ‘teabagz’, it’s Clive Palmer-
*Started his own political party when the old one wouldn’t conform with him
*Declines to pay taxes specifically established by parliament
*Recruits a range of dull C grade celebrities as political candidates
*Full to the brim of bombastic crap
*So egocentric that he names his party after himself
That seems to be a reasonable comment if your cubicle is located in Frankston.
https://theguttertrash.com/2014/06/04/state-government-in-victoria-in-crisis/
#just-sayin
”””””””””””””’In his slender youth, Palmer learnt the tricks of massaging the media at the feet of no less than Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen, a grand master of the art. ‘‘Feeding the chooks,’’ the old crook used to call it, in his sly, yokel way.
http://m.smh.com.au/comment/tory-selfdestruction-is-so-painfully-enjoyable-20140606-zs0e2.html
””””””””””””””’
Yes, it is an interesting post by Carlton. But l also find it a good example of Carlton being quite `Latte` too. Carlton is a bit of a misery-guts regarding Clive. Anybody with any common sense knows Clive will represent his own interests, just as they `all` do. lt seems to me Carlton misses the point with Clive, and probably the teabag defectors to `pup`, is that the teabags are `not` one big happy family, but much more of a corporate directed wish-list outlet, that will slash and burn the services/institutions the people/nation needs, for the betterment of monster-corp. This `may` not sit well with Clive or the teabag defectors, and this `should` be what `pinko`s like Carlton should be investigating and interviewing for. Really, Carlton didn`t tell us anything most of us didn`t already know, but he did accumulate it, with some humor.
(Carlton #part-2)”””””””””’The Cunneen Commission into child abuse in the Hunter Valley found this week that Father Brian Lucas, Secretary of the Australian Catholic Bishops’ Conference, knew of child sexual abuse by a predatory priest, Father Denis McAlinden, but did nothing to report it to the police. Instead McAlinden was allowed to leave Australia, where his practise of abuse continued after 1993. Commissioner Cunneen found that Lucas was consulted about the plan to relocate McAlinden”””””””’
#dog-club is still disgracing itself l see.
Doesn’t Abbott get good manners … he stood up the Indonesian President … fo no reason that I could see … and does the same in the US …
Has he any idea of the international image he is sending ….?
http://www.news.com.au/national/deputy-opposition-leader-tanya-plibersek-says-tony-abbott-is-embarrassing-for-cancelling-meetings/story-fncynjr2-1226947461706
Please bring my country back!
I’m not sure that abbott has managed the statesman and diplomat scene yet, he still seems to be playing domestic politics, I think he oughta drop the tough guy act, he’ll never be a match for putin .
Or, he’s a complete dickhead, full of himself, socially inept and out of his depth on the world stage.
Foreign affairs was not gillard’s forte but I think she grew into it, will abbott?
””””””””Tanya Plibersek said Mr Abbott had made a succession of missteps during his travels overseas, the latest in the US.
http://www.news.com.au/national/deputy-opposition-leader-tanya-plibersek-says-tony-abbott-is-embarrassing-for-cancelling-meetings/story-fncynjr2-1226947461706
“Australians have to worry that he’ll be embarrassing us on the world stage”””””””
#oh Tanya, we won`t worry, we `expect` mr-rabbit to embarrass us
””’he oughta drop the tough guy act,””’
”’he’ll never be a match for putin””#don`t l know it
””’he’s a complete dickhead,””’
””’full of himself, socially inept””’
”””out of his depth on the world stage”””
#Correct on all counts armchair.
(l`m giving you an A+ on your mr-rabbit studies) 🙂
at the end of a tough guy competition between mr-rabbit and Vlad,
mr-rabbit`s carcass would strapped to the bull-bar of Vlad`s 4wd 🙂
tonydumdum speaks French (kinda)
…succession of missteps…
Gillard accidentally tripping over is somehow akin to tabot continually using his mouth to embarrass himself overseas
yomm, that’s reaching pretty low, even for you. Haven’t you got something better? You know, her ass, her lobes, her speech patterns?
Or dig deep and see if you can find something as smart as tabots multitude of embarrassing statements
Shit Happens you know 😉
Case in point lolz
I just thought the “missteps” comment was funny in the context of Gillard’s regular and entertaining “missteps”
“tonydumdum speaks French (kinda)”
I wonder if you would post that if it was a Labor leader having trouble with French?
On second thoughts you would most probably say they were making an attempt to engage with the French people.
Lefties seem to have small minds and spend hours trawling through the media trying to find some irrelevant Conservative stuffup.
Surely you have better things to do with your time?
yomm, that’s reaching pretty low, even for you. Haven’t you got something better?
Obviously not … the same old Youtube vid gets trotted out over and over again …
obviously gillard tripping over really amuses tomM, he relishes it over and over!
I made a post on Bolts blog last night. Looks like i have been censored since it has not been posted.
I made the comment that Bolt said this to Abbott when he was on his June 1 show
“”It looks like Malcolm Turnbull has his eye on your job””
I then made the comment that Bolt then spent the rest of the week denying he had said such a thing. I am disappointed that Bolt is now saying he said something different.
It is none of Bolts business if Turnbull has dinner with Palmer.
Not really..Le Sqweal est une baise idiot imbacile
As opposed to your acute factual points of salient truth….cnt C cnt V with the silent U 🙄
Yep we all do… just stop posting your inane pointless repetitive idiocy and we may just retain the time it takes to scroll over it…
“”Case in point lolz””
I just heard the comment on the radio. Abbott said Canadia/Canada.
Abbott corrected his mistake within 5 milliseconds.
In the previous sentence he used Candian in his sentence.
Leftoids are really mean and nasty people. Totally corrupt and people who condemn things in Conservative politicians they would never condemn in their own.
Welcome to Tony Abbott’s “vision” for Australia …
Who keeps saying there is nothing wrong with the USA – the land of the brave and the
Robber Baronsfree …http://www.news.com.au/world/then-and-now-photos-of-detroit-reveal-the-real-frontline-of-the-global-financial-crisis/story-fndir2ev-1226948161348
I am disappointed that Bolt is now saying he said something different.
Most of us are used to it … keep going you’ll catch up one day …
“”Most of us are used to it … keep going you’ll catch up one day …””
Well for once i agree with you.
Bolt tried to make out on his Sunday June 1 show that Turnbull wanted Abbotts job.
Next day Bolt wrote something different and then spent the rest of the week defending what he said in his newspaper column.
It was what he said on his Sunday show causing all the problem. He spent the rest of the week denying what he said on Sunday.
Well i guess Bolt is human and finds it hard to admit when he is in fault.
the 5 millisecond moment
I AGREE. Taken on its own, not a biggie
A bloody lot of “not biggies” though from our suppository of a pm 😉
http://media.smh.com.au/news/federal-politics/tony-abbotts-canadia-slip-5495312.html
How many times did Gillard fall over after being forced to walk over soft grass in high heels?
Squeal is waking up to the fact that his Hero’s……..
Abbott is a moronic sycophantic neocon extremist god bothering hypocrite liar and his favorite cut
and
Dolt , the man that he has been quoting endlessly as if his factless opinionated vindictive scrawls have any semblance of truth or meaning beyond brand probigation
…….are in fact leading him about by the nose, appealing to his many deficiencies of good judgement and intellect…. Glad he has seen the light. Maybe he should explore his understanding of what an actual conservative is and lift that concrete block of gullible ignorance insulating him from reality.
Might not be a biggie, but we might as well have fun 🙂
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Canadia&src=hash&mode=photos
What a fuckn joke….
Abbott fails to impress with his bogan French…
It’s all Greek to me reb
Are they laughing at Tony Arsehat in Thailandia too?
You lefties are insane.
Abbott said Canadia and then quickly corrected his mistake and said Canada and this is a big deal?
I guess Squeal likes the fact that the PM is a fucking moronic megalomaniac..it makes him feel mildly intelligent.
Apparently anyone who doesn’t think this; unworthy parochial misogynist hayseed moron posing as a PM… an unmitigated international laughing stock with his utter buffoonery… is….according to squeal a Lefty….
Squeal you are a driveling lemming fucktard, I hope he does us all a favor and tells you to follow him off the imminent political cliff into the anus of historically grandiose bad ideas
Mate
Lefties sure know how to hate.
unreasonably.. no tablet predictive text..I don’t think so… unreservedly 🙄
Hey Egg…
Wow got Netflicks and Unotelly proxy running tonight ..Happy days indeed 🙂
“Are they laughing at Tony Arsehat in Thailandia too?”
Nah, not really… I don’t think they even know who he is….
And even if they did, Thai people would be too polite to bring up what a complete and utter mind crushingly numb pumpkinfuck the guy is.
Thai people are very diplomatic in that respect.
I was very disappointed that I didn’t see any signs whatsoever of the military in the heart of the city. Kind of makes a mockery of all the hysterical reports spurted in the pants wetter media back in Aus…
””””””””””I didn’t see any signs whatsoever of the military in the heart of the city. Kind of makes a mockery of all the hysterical reports spurted in the pants wetter media back in Aus””””””””””
oh for sure, the reports will be full of hysterics, not so long ago, last week or two, l remember seeing one of our canberra buffoons spouting Thailandia must return to `democracy` asap. Yeah, like our fcukwits would know, or understand the situation.
The good news for you reb, is you don`t have mr-rabbit over there with you providing endless embarrassment, so you probably won`t need to hide ya`nationality or passport.
Have fun in Thailandia. 🙂
Good News
‘Tony Abbott has been told his paid parental leave scheme faces defeat in the Senate, with enough rebel Nationals and Liberal senators prepared to vote against the proposal to ensure its demise.
‘The Australian has confirmed that senior ministers have conveyed to the Prime Minister that Nationals senators Ron Boswell, Barry O’Sullivan and John Williams would vote against the PPL scheme in the upper house.’
Maher / Oz
‘Wow got Netflicks and Unotelly proxy running tonight ..Happy days indeed :-)’
Naturally I’m happy for you.
with enough rebel Nationals and Liberal senators prepared to vote against the proposal to ensure its demise.
So, tabot can’t even bargain with his own mates? ROFL
Unless, of course, he lied to us at the election, and never really wanted a ppl. Couldn’t be. Only the crazy brave would have thought something so outrageous on the other side of the election 😯
brave sir loin ran away
The prime minister’s refusal to put climate change on the G20 agenda is yet another sign that he doesn’t understand the forces that will shape the next 30 years of global economic dialogue.
Lagarde and Kim have both declared climate change to be amongst the most serious threats to modern prosperity. As Lagarde said, “we are subsidising the very behaviour that is destroying our planet, and on an enormous scale”.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/09/unfortunately-tony-abbott-cant-cancel-meetings-with-the-climate
And what is it with rwdb and their constant need to lie about hte direction of Carbon Pricing mechanisms?
The world’s two largest economies – China and the US – are increasingly adopting carbon trading to cut greenhouse gas emissions, contrary to suggestions by Prime Minister Tony Abbott that other countries are not introducing schemes.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-missing-signs-of-worlds-switch-to-carbon-trading-experts-say-20140609-39t8q.html#ixzz34BVk43ZR
I recall a certain “journalist” who lied to a sitting PM over this matter. yet Carbon Pricing schemes continue to grow in size and popularity (largely due to their effectiveness and relatively small impact on consumers), no matter how often these partisan hacks lie about it.
🙂 😦
‘So, tabot can’t even bargain with his own mates?’
That’s alright, some junior Coalition MPs don’t think its fair. Bloody agrarian socialists have little understanding of what wealthy women have to forego to have children.
Lagarde is in the pay of big bureaucracy and cannot be trusted.
‘Tony Abbott is seeking a conservative alliance among “like-minded” countries, aiming to dismantle global moves to introduce carbon pricing, and undermine a push by US President Barack Obama to push the case for action through forums such as the G20.
‘Visiting Ottawa for a full day of talks with the conservative Canadian Prime Minister and close friend Stephen Harper, Mr Abbott flagged intentions to build a new centre-right alliance led by Canada, Britain and Australia along with India and New Zealand.’
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-seeks-alliance-to-thwart-president-obama-on-climate-change-policy-20140609-39t93.html#ixzz34Bf1RBK9
some junior Coalition MPs don’t think its fair.
So, their not all as dumb as tonydumbdumb. BUT, this was a major plank in his election campaign. He better put up one hell of a fake fight to try and ultimately not quite get it to try and sell his bleeding heart to the electorate
Of course, many knew this is exactly how it would play out, but they were the crazies.
Why is it anybody who follows facts and science can’t be trusted by you. Don’t bother answering, it was a redundant question (as most to you are)
Mr Abbott flagged intentions to build a new centre-right alliance led by Canada, Britain and Australia along with India and New Zealand.
Don’t Britain and NZ already have Carbon Pricing?
Interestingly, a short time ago, tabot was arguing about us “going it alone”. Now he is leading a push to try and get rid of what he claimed didn’t exist? 😯
Australia’s overpriced carbon tax is absolutely useless in terms of lowering global temperature (which has not been increasing over the last 17 years anyway).
It is good to see Abbott as an international leader in the stand against the stupidity of the climate jihadists.
The argument that the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism is nothing more than a delusional lie. Obama’s attempt to regulate carbon emissions is merely a last-ditch scorced-earth policy of a nincompoop president.
Obama has served is country in much the same way as Bowe Bergdahl served it. No wonder he is so happy to laud this deserter.
‘Why is it anybody who follows facts and science can’t be trusted by you. Don’t bother answering, it was a redundant question (as most to you are)’
Haven’t you heard, the science is not settled. The hiatus is the elephant in the room.
‘BUT, this was a major plank in his election campaign.’
Stiff cheddar, its not egalitarian and will never get up.
from eggs link
Mr Abbott said the he was encouraged at the new US approach of requiring coal-fired power stations to cut emissions by 30 per cent by 2030, because it did not place a price on carbon but used regulation to cut pollution.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-seeks-alliance-to-thwart-president-obama-on-climate-change-policy-20140609-39t93.html#ixzz34BpFMQ00
hmm, I thought regulation was bad? Didn’t we just have a day where we got rid of lots of “regulation” (read, spelling mistakes)? Really confused now. The small government party wants big government control, while abandoning their faith in markets. It really looks like they just don’t
The argument that the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism is nothing more than a delusional lie
Not sure who is arguing that. But, his plan certainly encourages the states to expand theirs. Mind you, it would be no bigger lie than tabot trying to claim that what the US is doing is akin to direct inaction. But, we all know what Obama wants.
[I]f there’s one thing I would like to see, it’d be for us to be able to price the cost of carbon emissions.
http://grist.org/news/obama-really-wishes-he-could-put-a-price-on-carbon/
“Not sure who is arguing that.”
Is that not the argument presented in your own comment?
Is that not the argument presented in your own comment?
No. The growth in carbon markets in America has been growing for a number of years, unrelated to this recent push by Obama, who, as is shown, prefers that way forward, but is not legislating it. Mind you, it does encourage it 😉
http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=616&p=2
” So, tabot can’t even bargain with his own mates?
Abbott’s paid parental leave scheme is about the standard that women’s groups used to argue for-
One that doesn’t act as a deterrent against the employer for employing women (as schemes that require employer funding do)
Pays professional women their income
Provides a reasonable amount of time off work
Left oriented types would have been in favour of this scheme if Gillard had proposed it as an aspiration, or a policy to be implemented in a few years.
However, the scheme is too generous at a time that requires plenty of financial belt tightening, and should be consigned to “aspiration” status.
In fact, all those public servants that get this type of generosity of parental leave, should be kicked back to the Gillard standard.
(heavens! the dot points have disappeared)
‘However, the scheme is too generous at a time that requires plenty of financial belt tightening, and should be consigned to “aspiration” status.’
Agreed, perhaps he could revive the concept in his third term, when the country is back in the black.
(Gillard’s latest: Educating girls is central to any nation’s effort to transform itself.)
Left oriented types would have been in favour of this scheme if Gillard had proposed it as an aspiration, or a policy to be implemented in a few years.
Are you able to point to policy that “teh left” supported by Gillard that disproportionately re-distributed taxpayer dollars more to high income earners than to low income income earners?
Going on some of the comments here Meta, we need to see about edicating older white males too 😉
Former prime minister Julia Gillard faced the kind of “outrageous sexism” that should not be tolerated in any country on earth, according to the former US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton.
http://www.aww.com.au/news-features/news-stories/2014/6/hillary-says-julia-faced-outrageous-sexism
You say this:
“No. The growth in carbon markets in America has been growing for a number of years, unrelated to this recent push by Obama”
And yet you link to this in your comment:
You are not making much sense on this.
You are not making much sense on this.
I’ll see if I can help you then 😉
Your claim was
“The argument that the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism is nothing more than a delusional lie”
I asked who had argued that. I haven’t claimed it, and no one has that I know of
That is not the same as saying that his legislation will not encourage the further use of carbon markets, or introduction of new ones, but he is not legislating one to my knowledge. His legislation does however encourage them, totally unlike direct inaction.
But, are you able to point me to someone who IS claiming “that the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism”?
I give you credit TR, you’re a master of obfuscation.
“But, are you able to point me to someone who IS claiming “that the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism”?”
What was your point with this comment:
“And what is it with rwdb and their constant need to lie about the direction of Carbon Pricing mechanisms?”
followed by a link to an article arguing (rather stupidly) that recent US government changes would lead to the greater adoption of emissions trading.
In all likelihood the unconstitutional attempt by Obama to circumvent Congress will be stalled in judicial proceedings for years to come.
rather stupidly????
As you know I’m agnostic on CC … is “in all likelihood” a guess? Whay is it “unconstitutional”?
The President can bring forward legislation, in the national interest, for debate in congress at any time …
I give you credit TR, you’re a master of obfuscation.
What nonsense … if anyone is the master of obfuscation its you!
In fact TR is one of the most articulate commenters here … clive … 🙄
“In fact TR is one of the most articulate commenters here ”
Is there a punchline for that ?
Is there a punchline for that ?
Obviously not … proof in your pudding comment above …
(heavens! the dot points have disappeared)
It must be the carbon tax.
It must be the carbon tax.
Or some sort of climax …
Shouldn’t you be out protesting or sumfin? 🙂
you’re a master of obfuscation.
You say obfuscation, I say English. 😉
What was your point with this comment:
“And what is it with rwdb and their constant need to lie about the direction of Carbon Pricing mechanisms?”
Because of the text I had highlighted in the original comment
The world’s two largest economies – China and the US – are increasingly adopting carbon trading to cut greenhouse gas emissions, contrary to suggestions by Prime Minister Tony Abbott that other countries are not introducing schemes.
https://theguttertrash.com/2014/06/06/is-tony-abbotts-office-behind-turnbull-media-assault/#comment-61049
As I showed later, it didn’t really have anything to with Obama. The US (and many other countries) have been adopting carbon trading mechanism for the entire time our pm and his media mates have been telling us we are “going it alone”. We have been/are being lied to by the likes of tabot and ulman about the real state of play in the real world.
And tabot still pretends none of them exist. Talk about “obfuscation”!
Perhaps I should use that for the punchline? 😯
Or some sort of climax
😯
Personally, I thought the dots had just gone the same way as his points. Into obscurity 🙂
In fact TR is one of the most articulate commenters here
You’ll make me blush. Except….. I’ve been reading the quality of some of the other “commenters ” here 😉
(Yourself and a few others not included there TB) 😉
Brought back to reality 😆
TB: “Why is it “unconstitutional”?
The President can bring forward legislation, in the national interest, for debate in congress at any time …
Obama is not bringing forth any legislation as he knows he would get his arse kicked in congress. Instead he is proceding by promulgating EPA regulations by way of executive order. That way you don’t need to trouble Congress for their opinion. Those regulations are beyond the power of the legislation they are made under. That is how a democracy dies.
The Obama line on this issue is slobbered out here by the usual lefty arse-lickers for those who are interested.
Tom R: “As I showed later, it didn’t really have anything to with Obama.”
In fact you linked to an article which article which suggested Obama’s current changes would lead to the greater adoption of emissions trading. Which is it?
“Shouldn’t you be out protesting or sum fin?”
I’m bitterly disappointed to report that despite reports to the contrary, Bangkok is as peaceful as ever. No protests, no riots, no army on the streets. Nothing.
It’s funny how the West always likes to portray the East as being in the brink of a catastrophic breakdown when nothing could be further from the troof.
Obama is not bringing forth any legislation as he knows he would get his arse kicked in congress.
not so sure about that sb, the american public is turning. Democrats may be able to win votes in enough states overall, despite losing in the oil states.
Democrats See Winning Issue in Carbon Plan:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/us/democrats-see-winning-issue-in-carbon-plan.html?hp
…White House officials and other Democratic strategists say that climate change issues — and Mr. Obama’s decision to push the pollution debate to center stage — will have even greater benefits for Democrats in presidential campaigns and future congressional elections…
…But Democrats say that public polling shows broad acceptance of the need to combat climate change and that some recent surveys show large majorities support the idea of emission limits on power plants.
“Democrats will welcome the opportunity to use this to talk about the Republicans’ dependence on oil company interests and other special interests that oppose carbon regulation for the sake of their own profits,” said Geoff Garin, a Democratic pollster who conducted a survey in Virginia this week for an environmental group…
It’s funny how the West always likes to portray the East as being in the brink of a catastrophic breakdown when nothing could be further from the troof.
How can we be frightened enough to let the govt deny all our civil liberties without a constant diet of a world in turmoil. Best to stay home behind locked doors and windows and give our military,police and spy agencies all the resources and legislation to record our every movement and conversation. Also feeds into our paranoia and xenophobia about the terrifying ‘dark foreigners’. Always alert and alarmed.
In fact TR is one of the most articulate commenters here …
i agree, he’s got everything, wit, charm, humour and the ability to cut through the BS, I bet he’s good looking as well, you guys could all learn a thing or two from tomR 😆
Is this a wedge with a sting or clive playing nice?
Clive Palmer offers compromise on paid parental leave:
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/clive-palmer-offers-compromise-on-paid-parental-leave-20140609-39szx.html#ixzz34Em4ctjL
In fact you linked to an article which article which suggested Obama’s current changes would lead to the greater adoption of emissions trading. Which is it?
I don’t disagree with that claim. It isn’t, however, the one you made earlier, which was ” the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism”.
The pertinent section of the article that I was concerned with was the quote I highlighted about tabots lying about the state of carbon pricing mechanisms globally. Hence the highlighting. Just because you want to jump at shadows is of no concern to me. tabot claimed “that other countries are not introducing schemes.”
This is demonstratably false, as I said. I never said that ” the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism” They already have them, and more and more states are signing up, quite possibly due to Obamas action, but only indirectly. At the same time, China and India are ramping theirs up also.
Basically, tabot is full of shit, and you trying to pretend it is about some claim about Obama legislating a carbon pricing mechanism is realll beginning to look like another hopeless unicorn, rather than an acceptance of the simple fact that tabot is an inveterate liar
he’s got everything, wit, charm, humour
Are you sure we haven’t met ao 😉
I bet he’s good looking as well,
Modesty prevents, but personally, I reckon your heading in the right direction with your assumptions there 🙂
you guys could all learn a thing or two from tomR
Just one or two ❓ 😯
Clive Palmer offers compromise on paid parental leave:
If this keeps up, we’ll end up legislating what Labor already has in there lol
“The pertinent section of the article that I was concerned with was the quote I highlighted about tabots lying about the state of carbon pricing mechanisms globally.”
Be that as it may, I was merely trying to understand your argument. You linked to a piece arguing that Obama’s actions were likely to lead to an increase in emissions trading. When you asked me to point to someone making that argument, I did.
I thought Abbott’s main claim about Obama’s policy was as explained by Phil Coorey:
“Tony Abbott has claimed United States President Barack Obama as a climate change ally by suggesting the President’s plans to curb emissions from American power stations would be done by direct action.”
You seem to have left that out of your analysis. On this issue Abbott’s policy shows that he, like so many others, is a victim of the great climate swindle.
“Basically, tabot is full of shit”
This is something we can agree on and I have said so often.
”you trying to pretend it is about some claim about Obama legislating a carbon pricing mechanism is really beginning to look like another hopeless unicorn, rather than an acceptance of the simple fact that tabot is an inveterate liar”
Again, I have hammered Abbott for his lies. The reason I raised the point earlier is that as I read the piece you linked to I thought the argument made there was inconsistent with your approach. That is all.
“TR is one of the most articulate commenters here … “
Agreed. As an ALP shill he is among the best. You might recall that when it was time to criticise the shortcomings of the Gillard government you could count on Tom R to stick with the party line no matter how ludicrous it made him appear.
You linked to a piece arguing that Obama’s actions were likely to lead to an increase in emissions trading. When you asked me to point to someone making that argument, I did.
Just to be clear SB, your specific words were “the US is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism” That is not the same as the argument you presented above. I do agree that Obamas policy does encourage the use of carbon trading schemes, I DO NOT agree that he is somehow introducing a carbon pricing mechanism himself, which is what your initial post claimed. He is enabling it, a far cry from him introducing it.
The fact that, given that states can introduce whatever they want to meet his targets, and that carbon pricing schemes appear to be such a popular choice to achieve this must be of concern to the libs, unless of course, they ignore what is happening, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS HIGHLIGHTING.
no matter how ludicrous it made him appear.
I prefer ao’s assessment of me personally 😉 But I’m biased.
Here they go agaon. What is it about democracy that they hate so much. If you can’t defend yourself, silence your critics.
The Australian Council of Social Service is concerned that the Abbott government is seeking to gag the welfare sector after comments from Immigration Minister Scott Morrison that government funding should not be used to support advocacy groups.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/community-organisation-fearful-of-abbott-government-gag-20140611-39w52.html#ixzz34HNVN9aW
”I bet he’s good looking as well”
I believe Splatterbottom uses his image.
unless of course, they ignore what is happening, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS HIGHLIGHTING.
Hehhe … yeah, sb, does get a bit like that, TR … and then he accuses you of SHOUTING at him …
Well at least I’m not the only one … LOL!
I’m beginning to think the more they play the person at you here the more you’ve made your point … and I’m always conscious of that little map with the red dots …
Not everyone who pops in here comments … I’d hate for all the BS to dribble out without being challenged and an alternative being offered …
Catch youse all later … of to see Edge of Tomorrow … here’s hoping?
of to see Edge of Tomorrow
I just saw the previews of that last night, look good, considering who is in it, hope you enjoy it.
I believe Splatterbottom uses his image.
Not sure how or even if he got my particular Colonoscopy piccies, but I can neither confirm nor deny.
It’s certainly your better angle.
Well, economist Larry Ball has gone back and compared how much the OECD believed that developed economies could grow in 2007 with how much they think those countries can grow today. The depressing answer is that, on an economy-weighted average, they think rich countries have lost 8.4 percent of their potential output.
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And that damage hasn’t been evenly spread. The OECD thinks countries like Switzerland and Australia — which, not so coincidentally, have had some of the most aggressive monetary policy — have barely lost any potential, if at all. But it thinks the euro zone’s crisis countries have been maimed: Greece and Ireland, according to the OECD’s estimates, have lost almost 35 percent of their potential output.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/06/10/will-we-ever-fully-recover-from-the-great-recession/
The question is, will the adults end up giving us the recession we didn’t have to have?
It’s certainly your better angle.
it’s up to your personal preferences I guess, but…everyone to there own 😉
“The question is, will the adults end up giving us the recession we didn’t have to have?”
Keating gave us that recession. We had over two years of continuous double digit unemployment under Keating from 1991-1994. Nothing like it since the Great Depression.
During Keatings recession a large number of countries did fine. The USA did not have a single month of DD unemployment.
The ALP has never had a good record with unemployment.
I also detect in your posts the great hope that the Abbott govt fails so you can say “I told you so”
Told you so nil (:
PacBrands head John Pollaers said he was surprised by how fast sales fell following the budget with the weather also ruining forecasts.
”The perfect storm has been a surprising shift in consumer sentiment, more than I would have expected, and the warm weather, which unfortunately does affect our business,” Mr Pollaers said.
The Reject Shop said its sales had declined following the budget’s release in early May. Its winter apparel department had suffered from the warm weather too.
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Shrinking confidence in the economy showed up in the latest job ads survey, released on Tuesday, which showed job advertisements fell in May for the first time in five months, declining 5.6 per cent.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/retailers-say-federal-budget-has-given-buyers-the-blues-20140610-39vlo.html#ixzz34HpM6nek
Could not agree more… The miister for cltoral Cliché’s is trying to gather a wrecking crew of like minded sycophant ideologists as all bullies do. A man of
direct actiondistractionYou Know this Ass Hat will spin anything to suit his lying bullsit … This takes the cake..
Please Minister for Vaginal Vindictiveness don ya speedo’s and go for a “Holt” swim
http://www.afr.com/p/national/abbott_risks_obama_ire_with_direct_7ihWxBcgbUzQlPZ6x3OzTL
“Told you so nil “
Yes and let me guess. When Keating went to an election in 1993 with unemployment at 11% you voted for keating. But if the Coalition had been in power with unemployment at 11% you would be saying “ how could anybody vote for the govt when unemployment is at 11%”
That is why i say facts are irrelevant. People believe what they want to believe.
Poor Sqweel is all pantie knotted again.
His confusing
(A) the architect of modernising the economy who has the legislation enacted with supporting measures such as the accord, social security, taxation and productivity reform
with
(B)
this ragtag bunch of useless idiots waving around a doctrine of ideology masquerading as a budget based on nothing more than a wish list of his robber barons that has absolutely no fucking hope of passing due legislative process..
Poor Sweal.. cry into your Telegraph sweetheart and blow your nose on yesterday’s front page that balmes electricity workers for high electricity prices 🙄
Ricky the hiatus is real and not propaganda, scientists have accepted that the models have failed. Where to from here?
egg, out the back with bullshit
Well not to make such a broad sweeping blanket statement of non specific generalisation to accord to your minute minority, scientifically insignificant, paid for corporate view lobby denialist agenda based denial…
Reality would be my best advice as a trajectory back from stupidity… 🙄
An update on real leadership
The Irish government is set to become the first country in the northern hemisphere to follow Australia’s lead and introduce plain packaging for cigarettes.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-11/ireland-to-introduce-plain-packaging-for-cigarettes/5514464
Bring it on 🙂
‘egg, out the back with bullshit’
Surely I have right of reply?
Flight Centre’s profit warning shows no one in the discretionary retail space is safe, OptionsXpress market analyst Ben Le Brun says.
“A potential downgrade-a-thon may be in the offing over the next few months,” he said.
“On the evidence, May seems to be where the pain has stepped up a notch and a lot of that would have to do with the handing down of the federal budget.”
http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/spending-slump-hits-flight-centre/story-e6frfkur-1226950311111
Surely I have right of reply?
You have the back where you can peddle your bullshit
‘Reality would be my best advice as a trajectory back from stupidity…’
Thanx for your helpful thoughts.
As a long time member of the Denialati Club I object to Abbott barging in as though he owns the place. The man lacks backbone and lies when it suits him.
Sure.. just not here….off to your sandpit, please feel free to knock yourself out.. 🙂
‘You have the back where you can peddle your bullshit’
So when someone here talks about the weather or something related to it, I should bite my tongue?
I should bite my tongue?
If all you have to offer is unadulterated bullshit that has been exposed as such repeatedly. then YES!
What if I agree with everything the leftoids say on the issue, but crouched as satire?
The SATP* are in town.
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*Self-Appointed Thread Police
Deputy TomR
Sure, but you’d have to agree that something has to be done!
The blog owner imposes absolutely no standards, and just allows people to post their opinions.
IT’S A DISGRACE.
Of course limitations must be imposed on heretics who wilfully flout blog rules, a cone of silence is too good for them.
The blog owner imposes absolutely no standards,
Except a specified thread for egg to peddle bullshit, wouldn’t you agree?
Dunno you would have to ask a leftoid, what ever that is, Not sure but I think it’s anyone who disagrees with the neo religious right of the Liberal Party inclusive of card carrying members of liberal branches… for guidance, just mix the spanish inquisition with any despot dictator, add a bit of monsanto, haliburton, whack on about the free market economy, morality, family values, illegals, terrorist threats and you are pretty much there. You get the picture, anyone with empathy, critical thinking who tackles an issue on merit rather than a footy match 🙂
Says it all really
** chuckle
Good catch Ricky.
Just in case it hasn’t already be posted…
http://www.news.com.au/technology/the-1-trillion-f35-tries-to-be-all-things-but-succeeds-at-few-say-critics-but-is-australias-new-weapon-now-too-big-to-fail/story-e6frfrnr-1226950254330
I’m sure all of the cost benefit analysis fetishests will be all over this…after all…TAXPAYERS MONEY BEING USED UNECONOMICALLY !!! 111!!11!!!!!111!1!!! … SQUEEEEEEEEAL …
Thought you’d like that….
Here Jamie has somfin 4 ya Egg 🙂
He must be A COMMUNIST !!!1!!!1!1!1!1!!!!11!! It’s on account of him trying to DISARM TEH TRUE PATRIOTZ!!!11!1!!1!11!1!!!!! …
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/president-obama-points-to-australian-gun-control-laws-as-an-example-of-why-the-us-should-be-ashamed/story-fni6ulvf-1226950336777
Obama is a SATP!!11!1!1!!!1!111!!!!! …
‘Here Jamie has somfin 4 ya Egg’
Wealth sets a fine example, Gina and Clive are in the same class.
Yes, they are. But Clive isn’t afraid to be seen in public.
Gina pays for her string pulling behind the scenes. I remember when the rockshifter called her his ‘inspiration’. That told me all I needed to know.
verb (used with object)
8.
to arrange or frame (words, a sentence, etc.); put into words; express: a simple request couched in respectful language.
9.
to express indirectly or obscurely: the threat couched under his polite speech.
From toilet’s link.
‘Not mean enough. Not stealthy enough. Especially when put up against its new Russian and Chinese competitors.’
So we’ll buy a squadron, to prop up the Alliance, but eventually the Chinese brand should become more attractive and we’ll slowly shift alliances.
Funny I was walking down the road arguing with myself over that, thanks for clearing it up.
F35 … A SPECIAL REPORT FOR, KNEEL
Read it and weep …
http://www.news.com.au/technology/the-1-trillion-f35-tries-to-be-all-things-but-succeeds-at-few-say-critics-but-is-australias-new-weapon-now-too-big-to-fail/story-e6frfrnr-1226950254330
This time I do expect an apology …
Keating gave us that recession.
Wrong again … the recession was world wide and unfortunately we had to experience it …
The only PM that I can’t think of that has actually caused a potential recession is … Tony Abbott.
Get out into the shopping centres and they are as quiet as they were in 2008 … this fear budget of the Liberal Party is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy …
Best managers of the economy? My arse! Adults in charge? My arse! Open for business? My arse! A government of infrastructure? My arse!
And on infrastructure the LibNits seem to think that roads and bridges and railway lines are the only types of infrastructure … they don’t get that education, training and development, health and communication are also infrastructure …
I see that Australia Post is losing money with its mail business but making a significant profit with parcels … so because everyone is now “profit” driven rather than “service” driven … they want to reduce the mail to three days a week … combined Aus Post is in front … and it is a NOT FOR PROFIT organisation as should be POWER and WATER …
This drive for profit (WHO”S???) is killing our country as it has nearly killed the USA!
‘And on infrastructure the LibNits seem to think that roads and bridges and railway lines are the only types of infrastructure …’
The masses are crying out for a vision of material progress in the 21st century.
Like this.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/mike-bairds-sydney-rapid-transit-system-to-include-second-harbour-rail-crossing-and-three-new-underground-stations/story-fni0cx12-1226949995840
TB I don’t know why you bother Sqweel is a broken record of inane falsities that goes to his status as an imbecilic troll. Anyone who has even the most rudimentary simplistic understanding of economics applauds PJK’s legacy… Dr Hewson does and recognises Costello coasted on his significant reforms.
The Fiberals could never achieve the reforms he legislated as there is nobody even remotely close in vision,intellect, political will, negotiation strategy, supportive legislation and outright ability… This very fact pisses off the blind “footy barracking” fibrals as they suffer from policy and ability envy.. this is why they spring this economic stewardship lie every few years and dickheads fall for it. They like rewriting history, Pyne wants it all in the curriculum, they are infact aspirant fascists.
Apologies re the F35, Toillette … just saw your comment …
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Bring it on
Absolutely … but as we all know bullies are always cowardly when you confront them … either verbally or behaviourally …
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Of course limitations must be imposed on heretics who wilfully flout blog rules, a cone of silence is too good for them.
And that’s why we built the playroom for you, egg … you ungrateful sod, no-one else has a speshul place … by the sarcasm is couched … not crouched …
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The masses are crying out for a vision of material progress in the 21st century.
My point, egg, infrastructure is not necessarily “material progress” but includes intellectual …
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they are infact aspirant fascists.
I’d say … they are in fact fascists.
Luckily nearly all our knowledge is now digital and not confined to libraries … no book burning will help them now …
No need to apologise TB!
Those whom it concerned will roundly ignore both of our comments…but are likely to further labour the NBN/ALP/Duuuuh point at sometime in the future.
The F-35 can’t hide behind a national security façade…but that’s probably where they’ll hide it.
I don’t think it is particularly sensible to have public utilities, such as Australia Post, subsidised by taxpayers.
Is there some economic justification for subsidy or is this only an opinion?
Is there some economic justification for subsidy
Making affordable delivery of mail available to all
Which is why electricity was initially brought under public control, private owners do not provide where their return is not great enough.
The same is going to happen with the once great NBN. The country will suffer (and yet the country will continue to vote for the nats????)
It;s called sharing the burden of a society, something private industry has demonstrated time and again it is unsuited to.
But the taxpayer subsidising Lockheed Martin is awesome … 😯
Right now, I am laughing at other states privatising their electricity.
Bwahahahaha…
See how that worked out for us, here in SA.
Assume the position, freemarketeers…
I don’t think it is particularly sensible to have public utilities, such as Australia Post, subsidised by taxpayers.
Djawat? It’s a “public utility”? We own it. How do we “subsidise” it?
That reminds me some economic “analyst” last night on The Business, I think, (what a name) … said something along the lines that if Aus Post had been privatised 10 years ago it would be profitable now … HTF would he know?
If its like anything else that’s been privatised in the last couple of decades it would probably cost $100 a letter and it deliveries would be once a week …
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/australia-post-confirms-it-will-cull-900-jobs-as-letter-deliveries-fall/story-fni0fit3-1226949752224
‘by the sarcasm is couched … not crouched …’
You are out of sync, toilet has already diplomatically mentioned my error.
‘My point, egg, infrastructure is not necessarily “material progress” but includes intellectual’
We take that as a given, like Abbott’s grand plan in the medical arena discussed in the budget.
But the taxpayer subsidising Lockheed Martin is awesome …
Well put, sir!
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I was just thinking about putting a review of The Edge of Tomorrow and an idea I’ll put to sreb …
ifwhen heescapesreturns from Bangkok …… along the lines of … removing egg, from his playhole … renovating it and replacing it with an entertainment review column …
I mean egg, never goes there … and it could do with brightening up a bit …
Just a brainstormer at this stage of course …
Makes me think the fuckers want a cut of the parcel delivery cashcow. Always looking for new ways to gouge us.
We take that as a given …
Wiggle words … Abbott’s trashing intellectual infrastructure all over the country … from schools to unis to vet to CSIRO … the list goes on …
“Keating gave us that recession.
Wrong again … the recession was world wide and unfortunately we had to experience it ”
Not wrong. It was a Mickey Mouse worldwide recession that lasted 8 months. But it was our worst recession since the Great Depression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1990s_recession_in_the_United_States
“The United States entered recession in July 1990, which lasted 8 months through March 1991.[1] Although the recession was mild relative to other post-war recessions,[2] it was characterized by a sluggish employment recovery…………………..Job losses and unemployment continued to rise and peaked at 7.8% in June 1992”
Get that?? Unemployment peaked at 7.8% in the USA but we had several years of continuous DD unemployment. Nothing like it here since the Great Depression.
I think you will find that Treasury/ALP took a different policy during the GFC because they most probably believed ALP policy was wrong during Keatings recession. And guess what. I think they got it wrong again during the GFC. Just wasted billions of dollars for no good reason.
I saw A Million Ways To Die In The West, over the weekend. It was a bit lame but I’m also a sucker for crude (read toilet) humour & ‘comedic’ (read random brutal deaths) violence…so I got a chuckle or two out of it.
One thing that bugged me, being a stickler for biologically accurate depictions, was…sheep penis does not look like that! …& it would be highly unlikely that the ram would be just mingling in the mob in such a fashion (even for LCD American farmers).
Abbott is taking a big gamble with his $20 billion Medical Research Future Fund. Is this intelligent infrastructure or a wank in the dark? The co-payments are going into this black hole and it better produce something productive or he will be held accountable.
Not wrong. It was a Mickey Mouse worldwide recession that lasted 8 months. But it was our worst recession since the Great Depression
WTF does that mean? More wiggle words …….. actually its fucking nonsense …
Ricky’s right, Kneel, its not worth bothering with your BS …
Sounds like a movie to avoid … thanks for the “heads” up, Toillette … I understand your humour – I’ve attempted listened to some of your “music” … 🙂
Haha…yeah, most of you would hate it…&, slapstick aside, I recognise it for the load of wank that it was TB. 😉
Call me a cynic, but the AbbottCorp’s refusal to rule out giving the medical future fund gouging to Australian companies, medically innovating, just makes me think it’s a blank cheque for Big Foreign Pharma to massage the government by.
Is this intelligent infrastructure or a wank in the dark? The co-payments are going into this black hole and it better produce something productive or he will be held accountable.
You know the answers but still ask the question, FFS … the co-payment was because Medicare needed more funds – remember?
Accounting 101
Collect $7.00
Transfer to Dr: $2.00
Balance: $5.00
Transfer to Medical Fund: $5.00
Balance: $0.00
Transfer to Medicare support: $0.00
Idealogical BS? Or just poor economic managers? OR … both … OR! … mean spirited, heartless pricks picking on the weak and the poor and most needy in the country?
Time to grease the axles on the tumbrils, I reckon …
“WTF does that mean? More wiggle words …….. actually its fucking nonsense … ”
Well you could read the link i gave. It suits the ALP narrative that Keatings recession was a bad worldwide recession. It was a mild recession worldwide. Unemployment peaked at 7.8% in the USA. But we had DD unemployment for years.
Should read, above, that they’re not necessarily going to give our money (the GP tax, let’s call it what it is) to Australian medical innovators.
‘it’s a blank cheque for Big Foreign Pharma to massage the government by.’
Maybe, he hasn’t spelt anything out, but its more than likely the government will try and attract the best brains to extend human life.
We are on the cusp a medical revolution and big pharma will probably be a major player.
Yeah, I didn’t do enough research. Not that it matters, with a hostile senate the whole package could fall asunder.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4021891.htm
We are on the cusp a medical revolution and big pharma will probably be a major exploitative profiteer.
Patenting the Human Genome? Morally repugnant…or an ‘exciting investment’?
People should read this article by Peter Criss. Criss was the person Tim Dunlop ran to when he wanted to blast the Howard govt for ordering the Super Hornets
http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/there-is-nothing-super-about-this-hornet/2007/03/14/1173722557984.html?page=fullpage
“Three sentences on page eight of the report say it all: “The consequences of low specific excess power in comparison to the threat are poor climb rates, poor sustained turn capability, and a low maximum speed. Of greatest tactical significance is the lower maximum speed of the F/A-18E/F since this precludes the ability to avoid or disengage from aerial combat. In this regard, the F/A-18E/F is only marginally inferior to the F/A-18C/D, whose specific excess power is also considerably inferior to that of the primary threat, the MiG-29.”
Forget about the new Sukhoi Su-30 Flanker family of Russian fighters proliferating across the region: all Hornet variants are acknowledged in the report as being no match for even the older MiG-29s. ”
I remember Dunlop ran several posts blasting the Howard govt for ordering the Hornets. Now everybody says the SH’s are great.
‘Patenting the Human Genome? Morally repugnant…or an ‘exciting investment’?’
‘Whether or not genes can be patented has been debated since the inception of the Human Genome Project. At the heart of the debate have been questions about whether discovery of a gene is sufficient to claim an invention and whether gene patents encourage or stifle research and the clinical use of genomics. In a landmark decision in June 2013, the Supreme Court determined that DNA in its natural form cannot be patented.’
NHGRI
Neil clearly didn’t read the linked article. He just went back to his strawman closet & dragged the poor thing out again.
Look at what such luminary corporate citizens as Monsanto do with other life patents in the biosphere.
Toilet I see your angst and note the dangers of multinationals like Monsanto, but its out of my hands.
I read the article. They said the same thing about the F111 as well.
Now everybody says the SH’s are great.
EVERYBODY? FMD!
They said the same thing about the F111 as well.
Gotta link for that? Shakes head …
“the once great NBN”
When was that, exactly?
See no point …. TB tell you what isnt Micky Mouse 124 separate pieces of taxation and economic reform legislation supported by modernising the banking systems and switching the economic focus from outdated manufacturing to service based industry…. a small fact lost on ignorant fuctards like squeal who prefer the opinion article over a comprehensive book on such matters….
Squeals brings another wet cabbage to a gunfight… don’t even bother TB its like talking to a child who just consistently repeats itself in the hope of being thrown a treat 🙄
Gotta link for that? Shakes head …
Strangely if I recall the circumstances were similar to the F35 purchase … however, the major difference here is that potential opponents have airpower far superior to the F35 … the F111 was purchased as a fighter bomber … with only the British STR? (TRS?) capable of competing … the French and the Swedish too had (Viggen and a later version of the Mirage?) … the Russians were behind at that time … but no more … and the Chinese were busy with other things …
Another major difference is that Abbott has just purchased an ADDITIONAL 58 F35’s over the initial ALP pledge of 14 aircraft …
… at an ADDITIONAL COST of $12.4 billion …
… added to an austerity budget targeting pensioners, the poor, the unemployed, school children, uni students and apprentices …
So … who is actually paying for Abbott’s playthings?
And RP’s right I know I’m wasting my time …
BOLDING MAKES YOUR POINT STAND OUT!!!1111!!!one!!!11
“Another major difference is that Abbott has just purchased an ADDITIONAL 58 F35′s over the initial ALP pledge of 14 aircraft … ”
You keep repeating the same crap over and over again.
We have 70 Hornets and 24 Super Hornets. The 70 Hornets we got in the early 1980’s. They are old. They were always going to be replaced by 70-100 F35’s depending on the cost and the position of the budget. And we don’t pay for them until they arrive. WE get 14 in 2020 and the rest in the early 2020’s. WE pay for them then.
To believe we would have an airforce of 14 F35’s is insane.
Stephen Conroy’s NBN was once great in the same way Wayne Swan’s budget surpluses were once great. Figments of their proponents imaginations.
Co$t seems a little open ended at the moment though, hey Neil?
You can tell by the way that certain sectors aren’t praising & defending the F-35 purchase that they realise.
Meanwhile, Neil’s intellectual merrygoround never stops careening past the same scenery, lap after lap.
More evidence of the Liberal Party’s self fulfilling prophecy …
“that certain sectors aren’t praising & defending the F-35 purchase”
It’s a political decision, so unsurprising “certain sectors” are criticising it, and others supporting it. Nothing new in that.
‘And we don’t pay for them until they arrive. WE get 14 in 2020 and the rest in the early 2020′s. WE pay for them then.’
Exactly, we’ll get 14 in 2020 and if the Chinese and Russians can still out fly us, then the rest of the deal is off.
To believe we would have an airforce of 14 F35′s is insane.
You really are not the sharpest knife in the drawer, Kneel, are you …
Perhaps the Yanks can explain it to you … note the words “pledge”, and, “on top of” …
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-23/australia-commits-to-buying-58-more-f-35-joint-strike-fighters.html
I particularly like this comment:
1. This from the bloke who burbled cost benefit analysis loudly for four or five years …
2. If its got cost/time run out issues why buy more until the problems are fixed
3. Abbott is a logistical expert in aircraft product too?
So what’s the justification for running a subsidised public utility?
The dividends from them is government revenue, used to do things like build hospitals, or employ some extra public servants.
It’s a political decision, so unsurprising “certain sectors” are criticising it, and others supporting it. Nothing new in that.
The certain sectors are technical experts here overseas including the USA!
What complete Bollocks… See when luddite politicos suffereing from policy envy, lawyers and accountants start talking about technology and scalability. its usually the kiss of death… they can understand a road as tangible… but scalible, data infrastructure is beyound the understanding of fiberals… they hate science and they hate infrastructure. For evey road they build they sell a child….. What so you think that Conroy was the architect of the NBN…. that would more be a comment on simplistic gullible stupidity… the domain of current political discourse…. I guess Malcolm in the middle does a bit of insider trading in a tech company that he sells to a criminally corrupt corporate US parent and he invents the internet right?
“Abbott is a logistical expert in aircraft product too?”
Good point. He should seek advice
from some of the experts here.“that would more be a comment on simplistic gullible stupidity”
You’d know more about that than I would. 😉
“I guess Malcolm in the middle … invents the internet right?”
I think that was Al Gore.
No Toilet
TB keeps repeating the same crap. He keeps trying to make out we were only going to buy 14 F35’s and that Abbott ordered an additional 58.
The guy just makes stuff up.
WE got approx 70 F/A 18 Hornets in the early 1980’s. They are now old
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F/A-18_Hornet#Non-U.S._service
“The Royal Australian Air Force purchased 57 F/A-18A fighters and 18 F/A-18B two-seat trainers to replace its Dassault Mirage IIIOs………………The first two aircraft were produced in the US, with the remainder assembled in Australia at Government Aircraft Factories. F/A-18 deliveries to the RAAF began on 29 October 1984, and continued until May 1990”
These F/A 18 Hornets are going to be replaced by the F35. And we were always going to buy 70 and maybe more if the budget could afford it.
Because the F35’s were taking longer than expected Brendan Nelson ordered a new plane called a Super Hornet which is a new upgraded Hornet. WE have 24 of those
UPDATE. FFS TB do you read your own links. The FIRST SENTENCE
“Australia committed to buying a total of 72 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, down from a 2009 plan to purchase about 100 of what has become the Pentagon’s most-expensive weapons system”
Like all ALP supporters you just make stuff up. According to your own link Abbott is going to order 72 (14 +58) instead of 100. ie less than from a 2009 plan. And who was in power in 2009??
Your think as a brick TB.
Fuck …
Here ya go.. 14 in 2009… now 72 all up. Its not fucking rocket science 🙄
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140423/DEFREG03/304230023/Australia-Purchases-58-More-F-35s
https://www.f35.com/global/participation/australia
http://thediplomat.com/2014/04/australia-to-purchase-58-more-f-35-fighters/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-23/australia-to-buy-58-more-joint-strike-fighters/5405236
Well I guess I would considering I worked on technical design, integration and commissioning on many large and commercial networks for defence ect. In fact my specialist area was voice and video compression over higher order switching protocols within the OSI stack using fibre, microwave and copper
Well that is till the fiberals fucked the industry here and it all but shut down and went OS.
Next
Tony is on remote control and Credlin is driving
http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/06/11/tips-and-rumours-1140/
TB’s LINK
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-23/australia-commits-to-buying-58-more-f-35-joint-strike-fighters.html
“Australia committed to buying a total of 72 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, down from a 2009 plan to purchase about 100 of what has become the Pentagon’s most-expensive weapons system. ………………A 2009 policy paper commissioned by the previous Labor government confirmed Australia planned to equip its air force with about 100 F-35s.”
So according to TB’s link in 2009 we were going to buy 100 planes and Abbott has cut that back to 72.
We were always going to buy 70-100 F35’s. TB’s comment that we were only going to buy 14 F35’s and that Abbott changed that to 72 is a load of crap.
THICK AS A BRICK.
I know who’s thick
NOTE “ADDITIONAL” after an initial pledge to purchase 14 F-35s back in 2009
From TB’s link
“A 2009 policy paper commissioned by the previous Labor government confirmed Australia planned to equip its air force with about 100 F-35s.”
Fuck Squeals is stupid.. “commissioned Paper” “planned” does not make 14 magically increase by 58 the word “commissioned” does that as in “pledged” in a heads of agreement for phased delivery in contracted procurement 🙄
What part of Abbott has authorised 58 more planes than the initial 14 does this fucktard not understand?
Squeal is thick
“What part of Abbott has authorised 58 more planes than the initial 14 does this fucktard not understand?”
None of it. To try and make out that Abbott is ordering more planes than if Labor was in power is just wrong.
We were always going to order 70-100 F35’s depending on the price and the state of the budget. A total of 72 planes ordered is well down on the 100 we were going to order.
http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/about/domains/nacc.cfm
In November 2009, the Government approved funding for Phase 2A/B (Stage 1) to acquire 14 CTOL F-35A aircraft, support and enabling elements required to establish the initial pilot and maintainer training capability in the US and to allow conduct of operational test in the US and Australia. The first two F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft will be delivered in the US in 2014. The delivery of the next 12 aircraft, originally scheduled for delivery in the 2015-2017 timeframe, will now be delayed by two years.
Now read carefully as this bit was important and finalised by and decided by Abbott, it was not considered in full by the ALP, it was drafted in a paper of recommendation that was a joint task force for the Airforce shopping wish list
now pay very special attention to the phrase
consider approving funding
Phase 2A/B (Stage 2) will consider approving funding for the next tranche of (up to) 58 CTOL F-35A aircraft and support and enabling elements to form the first three operational squadrons and a training unit. A Government risk assessment of overall F-35 progress, and any recommendations, to be presented to Government in late 2012, will inform a decision on the way ahead for Stage 2.
Squeal desperately needs to see this film although I think its a bit beyond his sphere of ability in regard to ;lateral comprehension
If its got cost/time run out issues why buy more until the problems are fixed
The question I want to ask TB is, if they can accept cost over-runs from the yanks, why not from our own firms?
THE future of naval shipbuilding in Australia hangs in the balance after the Abbott Government excluded local yards from a major new contract due to poor project performance.
….
“No responsible government could consider providing further work to an industry that is performing so poorly,” Senator Johnston said.
“This is not a blank cheque.”
http://www.news.com.au/technology/naval-shipbuilding-in-australia-in-limbo-as-the-abbott-government-sends-contracts-offshore/story-e6frfrnr-1226946226481
They are systematically destroying our manufacturing base. Is it simply because Unions are present there? Or do they just hate people who work for a living?
Is it simply because Unions are present there? Or do they just hate people who work for a living?
Incompetent ideologues … with little work/life experience … nor understanding of how this country actually GIVES THEM A LIVING!
it’s a blank cheque for Big Foreign Pharma to massage the government by.
And there we have it toilet, more taxpayers money to the big end of town. It is what the libs do best. I’m sure a guy forced to go back to the Dr repeatedly for his dodgy hip replacement to get medication for the pain will be glad to hear that his extra $6 (minimum) per visit is going to feather the bed of the same assholes who buggered up his hip replacement in the first place.
When was that, exactly?
That would be just before the libs got hold of it.
So what’s the justification for running a subsidised public utility?
Read and be amazemented yomm
https://theguttertrash.com/2014/06/06/is-tony-abbotts-office-behind-turnbull-media-assault/#comment-61244
nor understanding of how this country actually GIVES THEM A LIVING!
Which just might come back to bite them (and us) in the butts
Australian dollar back to US parity by end of year, says Morgan Stanley
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/currencies/australian-dollar-back-to-us-parity-by-end-of-year-says-morgan-stanley-20140610-39vak.html#ixzz34N8khG3x
That $8billion to the reserve bank might not be looking so bright now, hey hockey! (not that it looked bright to begin with)
Ricky the F35s were a fait accompli after due diligence, both sides of politics understood that the Alliance must be upheld.
Yes, but to commit to buying 100 of the clunkers!
Which, as has attempted to be explained to nil, is quite a bit different to wanting to.
At least Tony’s earpiece is more high tech than Sarah Palin’s tactic. Truly he is leading the world in technological advances:
‘Yes, but to commit to buying 100 of the clunkers!’
Its only on paper, within a decade the Chinese will be selling an excellent copy at half the price.
“Read and be amazemented yomm”
Really, there is too much effort being required of taxpayers. If the public funds or guarantees an infrastructure program or fee for service commercial organisation, it should be entitled to get some form of dividend from it, not to be continually loaded up with underwriting losses or providing subsidies.
Every dollar in subsidy is a dollar less in education or health or some other actual public service.
Why is a few hundred million$$ in subsidy to utilities better expenditure policy than putting it into (say) pensions, or reducing the HECs burden?
“Ricky the F35s were a fait accompli after due diligence, both sides of politics understood that the Alliance must be upheld.”
However these people are too stupid to understand that. Furthermore they think if Labor was in power Labor would not have ordered a total of 72 planes.
We were always going to order 70-100 F35’s.
These retards said the same thing when Brendan Nelson ordered the 24 Super Hornets. What a bad plane it was etc etc. Tim Dunlop ran several blogs saying what a bad decision it was.
As usual the lefties were wrong. For some reason lefties always want us to buy Russian planes rather than American.
Really, there is too much effort being required of taxpayers
HTFU Princess!!
Why is a few hundred million$$ in subsidy to utilities
I think you will find that Aussie Post actually makes money. Letter delivery is the chain that drags at the moment, that is more than offset by parcel delivery.
Its only on paper
So, this Governments commitment isn’t anything like the “Gospel Troof” then?
🙂
‘So, this Governments commitment isn’t anything like the “Gospel Troof” then?’
Definitely not, due diligence will stop future governments from buying lemons unnecessarily.
Alliances change over time, before WW2 we were tied to Britain and since then we have been indebted to the yanks. Nothing lasts forever and China will have its chance to rule the world without the need of a cold war.
Definitely not, due diligence will stop future governments from buying lemons unnecessarily.
And yet this gubbermint just committed to buying 100 lemons??
When will this due diligence creep in.
AND, they are buying them, and paying for, cost overruns, while at the same time throwing Aussie firms and jobs on the scrap heap for that very reason (they say)
“And yet this gubbermint just committed to buying 100 lemons??”
And Labor would have to. The purchase has bipartisan support.
And Labor would have to. The purchase has bipartisan support.
Possibly, I haven’t seen a comment from Labor on that. Have you?
‘When will this due diligence creep in.’
In 2020 when we take our first delivery of 14.
Let’s imagine a Labor government is in power at the time, they will spit on the American lemons, no sweat.
We have moved on…In our view it is the responsibility of government to provide equality of opportunity with a fair and comprehensive support system for those who are most vulnerable
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/hockey-dismisses-budget-critics
I don’t think hockey has been introduced to the PPL scheme yet 😯
But others have
As Tony Abbott’s paid parental scheme came under sustained attack from all sides, a tax expert suggested small businesses, including family businesses, could raise incomes to employees before they were pregnant to increase paid parental leave (PPL) payments.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/paid-parental-leave-scheme-could-be-rorted-by-small-businesses-tax-expert
Yes, I understand that it is only the letter delivery division that is loss making.
It doesn’t really make much difference, because the profitable part is providing the subsidy.
Therefore reducing the dividend to the owner (us) and reducing the funds available for education, pensions etc.
“Possibly, I haven’t seen a comment from Labor on that. Have you?”
http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/about/domains/nacc.cfm
“In the 2009 Defence White Paper, the Government confirmed that it plans to equip the Air Force with around 100 F-35 aircraft.”
The Government confirmed in 2009 that we were going to buy 100F35’s
Who was in power in 2009?
“Kelbourne”? Hand held devices aren’t always good at spelling
“Hand held devices aren’t always good at spelling”
You type with your dick????
The Government confirmed in 2009 that we were going to buy 100F35′s
As has laboriously been attempted to be highlighted to you nil, the key term was “planned”
This Government has Committed to it.
There are different circumstances now, We are, after all, apparently in budget “emergency”. I would like to see the Labor Governments opinion of it under these drastically changed circumstances.
And, before going off at the others again, consider the terms “planned” and “committed”, and specifically, how they differ.
I’m not saying Labor wouldn’t have, had they remained in power, but, had they remained in power, they would not have been slashing into the worst off in order to fund it. There are now different circumstances because of the radical direction this gubamint took, so Labors plans may have changed.
Very amusing (and tasteful) comment SB.
Committed … ‘pledged or bound to a certain course or policy; dedicated.’
Like a marriage, with all the best of intentions.
Good that hockey brought the budget back into the headlines for us all though 😉
“This budget deals insufficiently with the other, equally important half of the economic equation – raising revenue”, Mr Shorten said.
“In the 2013-14 budget the Labor government introduced a comprehensive package to ensure the integrity of our company tax base.”
“Based on updated estimates from the Parliamentary Budget Office, the revenue gains from Labor’s package are now worth over $5.3 billion.
“But in a clear demonstration of their priorities the government has not once, but twice acted to water down this package, handing back more than $1.1 billion to big businesses”, he said.
The forfeited revenue could reverse cuts to concessions for pensioners and seniors card holders, or increase costs of PBS medicines, h’e said.
http://www.afr.com/p/national/joe_hockey_slams_welfare_state_5hiOIj8lJsPL7F5zEj3gJJ
Like a marriage
As in legally binding?
You type with your dick?
You’re having issues too SB
Your “like a” came out as “with your”
Every dollar in subsidy is a dollar less in education or health or some other actual public service.
Like providing a postal service to all regions?
‘As in legally binding?’
Not sure about that, if the plane is a lemon then surely Australian shouldn’t be forced to take any more than 14. After all they said the problems will be ironed out when we pick them up.
Half of all marriages end in divorce and there are mechanisms in place to facilitate the best outcome. So I imagine this commitment to buy will have an exit clause, as in the Italian model.
Going postal now, Tom R?
Going postal now
Under the new goobermint, that term means “unemployed” doesn’t it? 😉
meanwhile at the manus inquiry:
https://twitter.com/Azdastyari/status/476914627612123136
https://twitter.com/Azdastyari/status/476914627612123136
Rally attendance now called at 30K.
Still won’t be big enough for msm to take note ao.
Abbott gets a Senate shelling on the JSF
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/4/national-affairs/abbott-gets-senate-shelling-jsf
…Not yet on his radar will be the remarkable Senate estimates exercise being undertaken by WA Greens Senator Scott Ludlam, step by step trying to extract the truth from our Defence chiefs about the largest purchase in our history: the Joint Strike Fighter.
Ludlam has already uncovered that the Prime Minister has stretched the truth on one matter and then on another. The Defence chiefs asked for more time when Ludlam got close to showing that the Prime Minister had mislead the parliament. There is a lot more questioning to come. Ludlam has done his homework…
You may notice when Squeal is completely wrong, he resorts to calling people a leftie, hyperbolic projection…prediction, lies… Then he calls people stupid? FMD seriously?
Tell you what defines stupid. Until I linked the defence site to prove a salient point that I found in about 30 seconds he didnt even know it existed. Dick head prefers second hand shit out of the paper usually murdoch 🙄 This dumb cunt does not even understand what a white paper is, preferring to hen pick lines to shoehorn them into his blatant stupid ignorant fucktard ideology.
The sale did not have bipartisan support fuckwit as laid out in the heads of agreement all stages were open to negotiation, no matter how you try and fold it. That is it could be changed based on many factors. A white paper is about as far from a contract as you can get you imbecilic blind mullet.
Sweal personifies an Abbott fan… goosestepping ignoramus who when proved wrong and confronted with anything that challenges their lemming ideology resort to childish responses..
Squeal proved wrong
“This dumb cunt does not even understand what a white paper is, ”
My understanding is that a white paper is a policy document of the govt and in 2009 it recommended buying 100F35’s. We are going to get 72 which is a cutback.
“There are different circumstances now, We are, after all, apparently in budget “emergency”
We don’t pay for them until they arrive. Govt ministers usually follow Public Service advise and it would be unlikely that a Labor govt would have ordered less than 72.
See this is what I mean, despite telling you that a white paper is b>MOST CERTAINLY NOT a policy document, it is an feasibility study that is miles away from an actual decision, which again is a precursor o the actual procurement process; you take this as legislated policy based upon your prejudice.
“Unlikely” …you’re taking the piss right? Fuck are you intellectually challenged or something?…did you not read that document from defense? 14 is the magic number… not your hatefully hopeful projection.
You are completely and utterly unequivocally WRONG
“14 is the magic number… not your hatefully hopeful projection.”
14 is not the magic number. There is no way we would have an airforce of 14 F35’s. These things are usually done in stages. And if we have enough money we will order another 28.
Our current fleet of 70 F/A 18 Hornets was always going to be replaced by a similar number of F35’s.
Squeal you are an obstinate idiot so wide of the point its embarrassing and sadly you could not even find nor have the ability to understand the source document had I not pointed your ignorant ass to it. . 🙄
OK, so it appears it’s been neatly sidestepped, so I may have to name names…
“Good point. He should seek advice from some of the experts here.”
Hilarious, given that the criticism of the JSF project has come from all angles, media outlets & sources; I’m not even sure that there’s a conservative polemicist defending it [says heaps].
I’m no expert, but I’m no fool; like many of the people here on most issues. The link I put up yesterday was from News.com, FFS!
I only highlight it, because, on multiple occasions, certain regular commenters here have seen fit to ridicule the former government for wasting taxpayers money on inefficient (likely less widely condemned, or at least less verifiably condemned, than the JSF project) spendthrift projects.
I’ve always maintained that the JSF project has/had partisan approval. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ALP jumped/jumps horses midstream over this; because that would be predictably politically opportunist.
What makes this interesting is the input (or lack thereof) of those who made a rod for the former ALP’s governmental back over ‘inefficient’ spending.
A bit of evidence to suggest that the JSF is just that…and possibly, probably even, much worse. 😯
Makes me think maybe their criticisms were purely partisan.
“It’s a political decision, so unsurprising “certain sectors” are criticising it, and others supporting it. Nothing new in that.”
Hilarity ensues. Mark one down for Cpt. Oblivious & his troupe.
Next will be names being named.
bump
“Next will be names being named.”
The unnamed will be nonplussed at the prospect, no doubt.
Haha, made you look!
All good natured prompting, of course. 😉
I think you cunningly & skilfully employ the crux of the Jefferson quote, often; religious barb aside. It’s a great quote.
🙂
I’m not going to be goaded into defending or criticising the JSF. The partisans above are doing a good enough job, and the topic really doesn’t interest me, except as another vehicle to exercise the musculus argumentus.
But…does it not put paid to ‘lesser’ partisan arguments (supposedly) for ‘wisely & prudently’ spending the money which they forcibly remove from what we’ve earned?
Also, I can now reliably inform everyone that it costs substantially more to avoid voting in a State election (in SA at least) than a federal election. Substantially More … * [yell]
“But…does it not put paid to ‘lesser’ partisan arguments (supposedly) for ‘wisely & prudently’ spending the money which they forcibly remove from what we’ve earned?”
How governments
wastespend taxpayers’ money is a topic that interests me, for sure. In order to establish that money is wasted or could be better spent, we need to consider a few other things: whether we need a defence force in the first place; if so, how much should be allocated to defence in the budget (at the expense of other “social” items); how should that money be distributed between the different land/sea/air arms; re air capability, what kinds of aircraft should we have; should we have a “strike fighter”; if so, what “make” or “model” and why; should we procure from traditional allies; how many should we buy; etc etc etc..It’s complicated.
It is complicated.
So purchase on merit then?
Not a blank cheque?
* YomM…
There…I said it…
“So purchase on merit then? Not a blank cheque?”
Only fools issue blank cheques. (Merit is a blank word.)
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/04/24/jets-a24.html
“There was immediate bipartisan support for the purchase within the political establishment. Opposition leader Bill Shorten not only backed the decision, but claimed credit for it. “It was Labor who believed that the Joint Strike Fighter was an appropriate addition to our air power,” he told Radio National.
The Howard Liberal government agreed to the initial purchase of F-35s in 2002, but it was the Gillard Labor government that fully backed the Obama administration’s “pivot” in 2010 and paved the way for the latest package. In May 2012, the Gillard government deferred approval of the F-35 purchase by two years, in order to “align” the Australian air force’s planned F-35 operating start date in 2020 with that of the US Air Force.”
I have no idea if the F35 is a good or bad plane. My comments are directed at the retards who think Abbott has ordered an extra 58 planes above what we were going to order.
Looks like the current order would have happened two years ago if there were no problems with the plane.
Beware the sabre rattlers … especially those who’ve never fired a weapon in defence of their mates …
http://www.news.com.au/world/barack-obama-tony-abbott-enhance-defence-ties-in-white-house-meeting/story-fndir2ev-1226952649530
Sycophant.
What most people don’t realise (especially Abbott, it seems), is that our ADF personnel after 12 years or rotations to Afghanistan, are getting weary … and so are their families …
Maybe some of the commenters here could volunteer .. or maybe Tony Abbott’s plan is to fill the ranks with the unemployed … you know the 18 to 30 year olds … who won’t get support …
… if that is Abbott’s hidden agenda (and I’m fast reaching the conclusion that there are many in this Budget) … then he understands little about the ADF too …*
And it is 1950’s style thinking …
Sycophant.
Like a disease …
“Possibly, I haven’t seen a comment from Labor on that. Have you?”
Opposition leader Bill Shorten not only backed the decision, but claimed credit for it. “It was Labor who believed that the Joint Strike Fighter was an appropriate addition to our air power,” he told Radio National.
“Possibly, I haven’t seen a comment from Labor on that. Have you?””
http://billshorten.com.au/abc-radio-national-with-alison-carabine
SHORTEN: Yes, it was Labor who believed that the joint strike fighter was an appropriate addition to our air power. There had been some problems in terms of aspects of the aircraft but it appears that they have been ironed out, so Labor does think that the addition to our air force is the right way to go.
CARABINE: But since Labor’s last white paper the budget has deteriorated, the 58 stealth fighters will cost nearly $12.5 billion. Can we still afford such a big outlay or should the government maybe looking at cutting back its order from the Pentagon?
SHORTEN: Well these are very long term purchases, the acquisitions are over a very long period of time, so these defence purchases are necessary for our forward security plans over a number of decades, it’s pretty long term investment.
Squeal you fuckwit read the source document and admit you were wrong you fucking dipshit….
Its there in black and white what the fuck is your problem?… Like everything else you are flogging a dead horse let go give it up move on… You are wrong, no amount of bold type and opinion quoting projection will alter the fact that you are acrimoniously incorrect in the most magnanimous way… Next
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Neil is the clear winner of this debate, as discussed at the beginning, its a bipartisan arrangement.
‘The NSW Nationals have called on the federal government to fulfil the Gonski school funding deal signed by the Gillard government, backing Adrian Piccoli, the state Education Minister.
‘And NSW regional areas have been promised a big boost in funding for water security, tourism and freight in next week’s state budget, with Nationals leader Andrew Stoner saying there would be $1 billion in investment in regional infrastructure.’
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“Neil is the clear winner of this debate, as discussed at the beginning, its a bipartisan arrangement”
Beats me what these deadbeats are on about. My knowledge of the F35 is zero. But the purchase has bipartisan support.
It does appear that ALP supporters are using military purchases for political advantage.
Basically they do not give a stuff about Australia.
“Neil is the clear winner of this debate, as discussed at the beginning, its a bipartisan arrangement.”
True dat.
””””””’As you know I’m agnostic on CC … is “in all likelihood” a guess?””””’
this is still the oddest comment you continually make TB, for somebody that claims `quals`/education is important,
it seems 97% of science `quals` are worthless
”””””””””’lesser’ partisan arguments (supposedly) for ‘wisely & prudently’ spending the money which they forcibly remove from what we’ve earned?”””””””
l reckon the flying trash-cans high-light the teabag insanity, they can`t make a sane case on just about anything, spent big buck$ on flying junk, while claiming financial responsibility, and slashing all types of essential services. #Teabag-lnsanity
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so dunny, sounds like ya`got busted for denying the interlopers ya`support, what did they $ting you
“l reckon the flying trash-cans high-light the teabag insanity”
Man you people make me sick. The F35’s have bipartisan support. Now they may be flying trash cans but they are trash cans with Coalition and Labor support. We were always going to order 70-100 F35’s to replace our 70 F/A Hornets
By the way we could save a lot of money by not having an Army, Navy, Air Force.
What do you think?
who gives a fcuk what l `think`,
what l `know` is both blue `and` red are inflicted with teabag-insanity, and with the appearance of `drones` on the market,
the flying trash-cans are nothing more than aircraft-industry `welfare`, and there is no rush to waste buying junk, or the quantity of junk, more product should have been looked at, including from ussr/russia and china
Sanctimonious fucktard, gets proven wrong now he is attempting sarcasm? … Comedic relief, wheres my rotten tomatoes.. pathetic. 😦
You did not answer the question.
Should we have an Army, Navy Air Force??
it happens
If you think we should have an Army, Navy, Airforce maybe you should stand for office, become defence Minister and then you can order the equipment we should be buying.
Remember Tim Dunlop and his supporters blasted Brendon Nelson for ordering the Super Hornets. Now everybody is saying what a great buy the Super Hornets were.
Should we have an Army, Navy Air Force??
Neil asks a loaded question.
Australia won’t need a defence force after we give up out ties with the American war machine.
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Childish attempts at sarcastic sanctimonious stupidity after you have been proven wrong is beneath me, however I do forgive you for not apologizing as I feel your ignorance displays you don’t know any better.