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Abbott taking “Destroying the Joint” to the World!

June 12, 2014

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Tony Abbott’s tenure as Federal Opposition Leader under the Rudd/Gillard Labor Government was best characterised as a determined and vindictive opposition to almost every Labor Government policy.

His sheer determination to undermine and destroy the Labor Government was driven by an ideological hatred of entrenched Labor values such as “equal opportunity,” universal access to health and education regardless of wealth or background, and access to welfare for those who need it.

Few predicted the extreme measures that would be unveiled in the 2014 Federal Budget nor the outright attack on those less privileged in Australian society, together with the financial protection afforded to high income earners.

In typical Liberal form, the Government lashed out at dissenters with Joe Hockey slamming critics of the Budget as engaging in “class warfare.”  The breathtaking hypocrisy clearly lost in the last a puff of a Van Hartog cigar.

However, it is clear that the Abbott Government overestimated the gullible stupidity of the electorate and is reeling from recent polls that confirm the rapid downward trajectory of The Coalition’s approval ratings with voters preferring “someone else” or “I don’t know” as better options to lead the nation.

It’s hardly a ringing endorsement, and it’s sent the Liberal Party into crisis mode with acquiescent troops like the odious Mathias Cormann, Christoper Pyne and Kevin Andrews despatched to explain why condemning the young and unemployed to a spiralling life of poverty and social dispossession is “a good thing.”

Fortunately, the electorate isn’t buying it, with mass protests unfolding across the nation, the likes of which haven’t been seen for decades.

Meanwhile, Tony Abbott is proving more popular than a pork chop in a synagogue in the US with World Leaders choosing to reject the climate-change denialist as some type of loony anti-science religious nutter.

Whether he succeeds on destroying the joint on a global stage remains to be seen but with his credibility in tatters back home, maybe retreating to the sanctuary of a gym with Hugh Jackman might be a safer option.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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396 Comments leave one →
  1. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 12:54 pm

    Thanks for the post reb

  2. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 1:11 pm

  3. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 1:16 pm

  4. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 1:19 pm

    I AGREE!

    It is class warfare. It’s just that, tabot etal are the ones waging it.

    When will it be distributed evenly?

    Over the last nine years Frank Lowy’s Westfield Group paid an average of 8% tax, with its Retail Trust paying 0%.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/battlers-do-budget-heavy-lifting-while-giant-westfield-pays-almost-no-tax,6567

  5. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 1:26 pm

    Bob Ellis often writes crazy ones, but, this is hard to argue against.

    Bob Ellis comments.

    IMAGINE, IF YOU WILL, a 27-year-old woman in a country town who loses her job as a waitress on a Friday and finds she is pregnant the following Monday.

    Under Joe Hockey’s new rules, she will get no money for six months, and must fend for herself until the baby is born and, after it is born, will get no Paid Parental Leave either, because she has no job.

    What is happening to her is “fair” Joe Hockey says and complaining about her is

    “… the class war rhetoric of the 1970s.”

    Some of us would think it was unfair — and if there’s a class war on, he’s declared it.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/joes-fair-go-and-his-new-class-war,6569

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 1:46 pm

    Don’t forget rupert’s $800mill tax gift for shifting money. No wonder he shouted the fawning abbott a dinner. I’m guessing that he and peta got plenty of advice on the next step for a renewed political strategy and working out how his papers can support him.

    http://thekouk.com/blog/joe-hockey-s-tea-party-rant.html#.U5kgD_na6Sq

    Joe Hockey’s Tea Party rant:
    …Mr Hockey’s speech could have been penned by the US Tea Party fringe given its assault on equity and the contempt he showed for the less well off in society…

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 1:52 pm

    The big question: advance Australia where?
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-11/lewis-and-woods-advance-australia-where/5515382

    …This week’s polling suggests voters don’t think the market economy is delivering the kind of society they want and explains why arguments from Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey that the best thing they can do for the economy is generate growth by making life easier for business are falling flat.

    It’s clear the budget has struck a nerve in the electorate – but perhaps what voters are really rejecting is not just a series of policy measures, but its potential to accelerate the unravelling of the kind of Australia they want to live in…

  8. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:01 pm

    Britain and NZ don’t want to be “laggers” ao 😉

    Just days before the Prime Minister is due to meet president Barack Obama, a senior US Democrat has criticised Tony Abbott’s stance on climate change as making Australia a “behind-the-scenes lagger” on global efforts to tackle the problem.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-11/waxman-on-abbotts-climate-stance-ahead-of-obama-meeting/5515702

    Calling his brain fart and idea is a stretch though, even for our meeja

  9. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:02 pm

    ‘after it is born, will get no Paid Parental Leave either, because she has no job.’

    Which is precisely why the Nats spat on it, because its unfair to farmers and graziers wives who work seven days a week.

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:11 pm

    This is getting a little like the anti workchoices rants.

    Back then few bothered to analyse the few basic components of the legislation (job security, reduction in employment conditions safety net and control of some of the worst of union behaviour). I though 2 of the elements were not in the public interest, but one was. Many considered my opinions were therefore pro workchoices! Some people are odd like that.

    Now we just have a blancmange of anti budget noise without much actual commentary about the various elements.

    So…
    • The budget has to get back to surplus, and the sooner the better.
    • Off loading some Canberra based public servants is sensible and timely
    • The medicare co-payment makes sense to me, people over use any service that isn’t priced.
    • Deregulation of university fees is a step backwards, it is sending the system in the wrong direction
    • A surcharge on (relatively) high income earners is ok, and I wouldn’t particularly object if it was higher and permanent.
    • Expecting people to wait 6 months for the dole is bizarrely cruel.

    I think people should show a little more detail in their opinions, rather than just dismissing the entire package.

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:17 pm

    To paraphrase, Churchill, a Liberal hero – apparently …

    “… the Battle for Government is over. I expect that the Battle for Australia is about to begin.”

    sreb, succinct and accurate as ever … top stuff, mate!

    Nice to see so many other people adding to the sentiments oft writ large on this blog … and Anthony the First and the Sheriff of Hockingham so soundly served up so many deserved rotten eggs!

  12. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:19 pm

    I agree with ToM, but on the last point we’ll have to imagine Abbott knows something we don’t. Its going to be a contentious issue in any early election.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:19 pm

    I think people should show a little more detail in their opinions, rather than just dismissing the entire package.

    Could you point out those “people” and how they haven’t been precise enough for you?

    ‘Cause I think you’ll be soundly proven wrong too!

  14. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:22 pm

    Back then few bothered to analyse the few basic components of the legislation

    Thats not a nice way to talk about yourself there yomm (2 feet thick was it ROFL)

    The budget has to get back to surplus

    Labor had it on track to do so.

    Off loading some Canberra based public servants is sensible and timely

    As the libs found out after election (but we all knew before the election) Labor were already doing that

    The medicare co-payment makes sense to me

    That is hardly surprising. Perhaps you can explain why it isn’t going back into medicare then?

    I’m worried, I kinda of agree with your last two dots 😯

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:33 pm

    “Labor had it on track to do so.

    “The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies.

    Wayne Swan 2012

    Labor does not do surplus budgets. It is not in their DNA. Their supporters will not let them. Kennet and Howard are examples of what happens to people who run surplus budgets.

  16. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:46 pm

    YAAAWN nil

    Economist understood and supported Labor projections and plan. They understood that global conditions will sway the projections back and forward, but the path was sound.

    Your regurgitations don’t change that fact.

  17. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:52 pm

    Yes but in 2012 Labor projections were wrong. It was in the 2012-13 budget that we would have surpluses for the next 4 years. The projections were wrong.

    And anyway according to Labor debt is not a problem. WE can just print money if needed. Labor will never do surplus budgets for any length of time because they do not believe in them. Never have never will.

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:56 pm

    “Which is precisely why the Nats spat on it, because its unfair to farmers and graziers wives who work seven days a week.”

    Is that paid work?
    A wage from an employer?

  19. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:56 pm

    YAAAWN nil

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    June 12, 2014 2:57 pm

    Yes but in 2014 Liberal projections are wrong …

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 3:04 pm

    I do dismiss the entire package and your dotpoints 1 2 & 3 tomM.

  22. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 3:11 pm

    and your dotpoints

    Hereafter to be referred to as “notpoints” 😉

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 3:12 pm

    ” Labor had it on track to do so.

    I’m really not sure that I’d rely on Swan’s forecasts to deliver a surplus.

    Swan is a disloyal, slimy bombastic fool who has a track record of over promising and under delivering. Swan was marginally clever at politics and hopeless at economics, that’s the wrong combination for a treasurer.

    Bowen is far more disciplined, articulate, and credible. He probably has Hockey’s measure in intelligence and capability, Swan was just an anvil, sinking any economic credibility for the ALP.

  24. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 3:16 pm

  25. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 3:19 pm

    Swan was marginally clever at politics and hopeless at economics

    What does “Worlds Greatest Treasurer” mean ❓

  26. VictoriaSM permalink
    June 12, 2014 3:41 pm

    I have to agree with you here. People seem to forget that ‘the budget’ is actually a set of separate policies and initiatives and set up their argument as if it’s a unified and unsaleable package.

  27. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 3:42 pm

    ‘Is that paid work?

    ‘A wage from an employer?’

    From what I’ve heard its more like slave labour and they are off the books.

  28. VictoriaSM permalink
    June 12, 2014 3:42 pm

    *unalterable (auto correct)

  29. armchair opionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 4:17 pm

    “From what I’ve heard its more like slave labour and they are off the books.”

    So they want their non workforce wives to get the same $ as working mums who have to leave their homes and go to work for someone else.

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 4:18 pm

    ‘Greatest treasurer’

    There are too many instances of Swan’s incompetent forecasting and decisions to recount, but some highlights-
    *Created the stimulus because he forecast 10.5% unemployment. It reached about 6%
    *Left all the stimulus measures in place even when it was clear that our economic downturn wouldn’t be as severe as the northern hemisphere’s
    *Admitted he did this for political reasons
    *Forecast a surplus and never delivered one

    (Swan has a diploma in public service administration or something)

    ====

    Hi VictoriaSK!

  31. June 12, 2014 4:52 pm

    I have to agree with you here. People seem to forget that ‘the budget’ is actually a set of separate policies and initiatives and set up their argument as if it’s a unified and unsaleable package.

    This not a budget or even a rigorously prudential economic plan based upon budgetary diligence, its a doctrine of ideology steeped in social engineering masquerading as a fiscal forecast. The precursor to this budget was a process of superficial, socially dislocated assumptions culminating in a wish list for the empathy devoid corporate sector who financially lubed the Abbott government gears. This is what happens when you elect dishonest neocon ideologists who do not disclose their intent, heavy grifting by the few and heavy lifting by those with the wrong postcode.

  32. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 4:58 pm

    ‘So they want their non workforce wives to get the same $ as working mums who have to leave their homes and go to work for someone else.’

    This interview explains the situation best.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-11/rebel-nationals-mps-argue-ppl-discriminates/5515762

  33. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 12, 2014 5:04 pm

    “What does “Worlds Greatest Treasurer” mean

    Swan would have got that award because the world was amazed at our low govt debt and low unemployment.

    Swan had nothing to do with that. I have never seen a Labor govt produce an economy with lower unemployment and lower debt than what they were handed.

    It shows that ALP supporters have no shame when they boast about our low govt debt but abused Costello when in power for running surplus budgets.

  34. armchair opionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 5:31 pm

    Egg, that interview doesn’t explain a thing. Just says the Nats don’t like it. Doesn’t explain at all why or how a ppl discriminates against stay at home farmers wives.

  35. armchair opionator permalink
    June 12, 2014 5:34 pm

    They are running a business with their husbands aren’t they?
    Already getting taxpayer funded subsidies and tax breaks? Now they reckon they contribute to the paid workforce in the same way that wage earning women who leave their hone have to?

  36. World-class Turkey permalink
    June 12, 2014 5:47 pm

    ‘What does “Worlds Greatest Treasurer” mean’

    It’s meaningless drivel (and demonstrably wrong in Swan’s case, anyway).

  37. June 12, 2014 5:57 pm

    Fuck Squeal give it a rest, all you have done for the last three days is argue about shit you have no fucking rudimentary idea about..

    Go away and read what the words mean not what you think they mean FFS. You have been reading too many opinionists and you keep repeating the same shit over and over which is generally wrong, ancient history and stupid … then always ends in the line……this is the problem with leftoids….blah blah without making any valid point to support such stupidity. I actually don’t think there are too many hard left in this blog and economics as displayed by your obsession with simpleton newspaper economics living in the past.

    Squeals fuck off

  38. June 12, 2014 6:30 pm

    “we just have a blancmange of anti budget noise without much actual commentary about the various elements”

    Or maybe you just haven’t been paying attention.

  39. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 6:30 pm

    Kitty they already get PPL, same as city women, but they think country women will slip under the radar with Abbott’s new scheme because it would be more harshly regulated.

    Bunch of moaners, the minimum wage is all they deserve.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 6:55 pm

    “Or maybe you just haven’t been paying attention.”

    That may be true, attention isn’t my strong point.
    ———–
    I’m off for a good 2006 Heathcote shiraz, with some food!

  41. June 12, 2014 6:58 pm

    “Or maybe you just haven’t been paying attention.”

    Or maybe he’s just being deliberately obscurantist…even though YomM’s points aren’t entirely without focus (reb’s post aside).

    I’d prefer specific criticisms.

    As this tnuc said…”Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible positions.. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man has ever had a distinct idea of…”…

    * 0-0

  42. June 12, 2014 7:04 pm

    “I’d prefer specific criticisms”

    I thought I’d been fairly specific in singling out the assault on the young and unemployed.

    Although one can hardly be forgiven for dismissing the budget outright when so much of it is focussed on penalising lower and middle income earners, while the rich escape relatively unscathed.

    At the risk of appearing too general, you can tell that this is the sort of budget that only tyne tories could dream up, cos it’s just a pack of cuts.

  43. June 12, 2014 7:05 pm

    Over to you, snacty…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/catholic-church-has-sociopathic-disregard-for-sex-abuse-victims

    Presumably you’re still closely following this ‘leftist conspiracy’ which seeks to ‘unfairly’ victimise the Catholic Church?…* cough

  44. June 12, 2014 7:05 pm

    You were, reb.

    I didn’t mean you.

  45. June 12, 2014 7:06 pm

    oh ok… 🙂

  46. June 12, 2014 7:07 pm

    I think the majority of the population recognises exactly what you mean, too. The conservative government has overreached & gone in too hard too soon. They thought they’d be abe to ride their ideological chariot into the ground on the back of anti-Rudd/Gillard disdain.

    More fool them.

  47. June 12, 2014 7:09 pm

    That is a great anti-religion quote (which I’ve ‘trimmed’) by Thomas Jefferson, btw.

  48. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 7:52 pm

    even though YomM’s points aren’t entirely without focus

    Except by him. They were addressed, yet it appears he chose to ignore that. Except of course to he thinks Swans a dickhead, not really an argument, more an opinion I’ll take his silence to indicate agreement with my points then 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/06/12/abbott-taking-destroying-the-joint-to-the-world/#comment-61398

  49. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:15 pm

    Unusual amount of point scoring going on tonight.

  50. June 12, 2014 8:15 pm

    What I meant was, some of YomM’s attacks are legitimate; and he was congruent with the rest of his criticism of the budget.
    It wasn’t a numbskull, black v white position to hold.

    On the other thread he is deliberately avoiding falling into a baited hypocrisy snare.

  51. June 12, 2014 8:16 pm

    ….Goooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllll !

  52. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:20 pm

    SYDNEY — Australia’s landmark cigarette legislation banning logos and putting dire health warnings and graphic images of sick or dying smokers on packs seems to be working, data shows, even as tobacco companies argue business is better than ever.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/business/international/australias-graphic-cigarette-pack-warnings-appear-to-work.html?_r=0

  53. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:22 pm

    What I meant was, some of YomM’s attacks are legitimate

    They’d appear more so if he addressed the points raised against them, rather just saying wtte “Swans a dickhead”

  54. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:35 pm

    On the other thread he is deliberately avoiding falling into a baited hypocrisy snare.

    Are you referring to where he refused to go postal? Another example of one of his grand sweeping statements, that he refuses to defend.

  55. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 8:39 pm

    btw, any news on where tabots Coalition Of Denial is going? Anyone else refused to align with them today? 🙂

  56. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 9:00 pm

    I’ve put up something in the back room.

  57. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 9:13 pm

    I’ve put up something in the back room.

    Was it shit or crap?

  58. egg permalink
    June 12, 2014 9:26 pm

    A mixed bag.

  59. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 9:55 pm

    Thank you HD.

    Tom R-

    1. I don’t specifically refuse to defend any of my comments, from time to time work or leisure intervenes and curtails blogging activity.
    2. If anyone posts stuff like – ” Labor had it on track to do so.” regarding the forecast budget, they ought to expect to be tested on exactly which of their previous forecasts they got right. Swan chose to politicize the stimulus, it stopped being an economic instrument almost immediately it was implemented.
    3. I’ve never limited my criticism of Swan to “he’s a dickhead”, my critique has always been reasonably founded on his successive failure to meet his own forecasts, and his hopeless political ineptitude.
    4. The red was nice and so was the meal

  60. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:12 pm

    they ought to expect to be tested on exactly which of their previous forecasts they got right

    It isn’t about “forecasts”, that’s for soothsayers, its about the resilience and continuing growth in the strength of our economy over a period of massive global instability, and our growth out of it, acknowledged by the rest of the world, but ignored here. And all you say is wtte “he didn’t get a budget when he said”. You know, or at least I hope you do,know, it is far more than that simplicity. But, if that is all you have to play, then so be it.

    I note you also haven’t addressed the points I raised about public servants or the medicare co-payment? Does that mean you concur with them?

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:21 pm

    1. Yep, the ALP were proposing to reduce the public service, good. My comment was not partisan. The public service needs plenty of restructuring, public servants don’t understand the concept of singular accountability. Their shared accountability promotes duplication and inefficiency.

    2. I’m not particularly bothered how the co-payment is allocated, I simply think services that are without a price get overused. So to me, it is the establishment of a price that is the critical element.

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 12, 2014 10:24 pm

    Swan was so hopelessly inaccurate in his forecasts that another one that predicted a surplus simply cannot be treated seriously.

    Swan didn’t have the horsepower to deliver, his outstanding skill was bulls**t.

  63. Tom R permalink
    June 12, 2014 11:08 pm

    My comment was not partisan.

    Then why ignore that your remark had already been attended to (not proposed)

    I simply think services that are without a price get overused

    The facts say otherwise

    You also missed my point about “predictions” I see.

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:08 am

    You “attended to” my remark? So that single action from you is a reason for me to discontinue comments?

    Which “facts” say otherwise”? Any service without a price will be used more than a service with a price. A modest co-payment is reasonable, in fact I think the $7 should be for pensioners etc, actual income earners should bay more like $25.

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:30 am

    …and by the way, my comment about the blancmange criticism was a general observation, certainly not directed at reb’s most entertaining thread.

  66. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:34 am

    Which “facts” say otherwise”?

    The number of visits to GP’s, which is around half of what the libs were claiming.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-13/tony-shepherd-incorrect-doctor-visits/5436706

    A modest co-payment is reasonable

    It’s called the mediacre levy. We all currently make it. What the libs seem to forget, conveniently perhaps, is that “patients” are also “taxpayers”. The are not a discrete class all to themselves, and, at any time, any “taxpayer” may become a “patient”.

    So, why is it not going into general revenue to fix this alleged “hole”, instead of setting up a slush fund for big pharma?

    So that single action from you is a reason for me to discontinue comments?

    No, the reverse, I was hoping that you would engage (which you finally did, after prompting), since your initial post was a whine that “Now we just have a blancmange of anti budget noise without much actual commentary about the various elements.” when in fact, the “noise” WAS various contributors highlighting both the partisan and redundant nature of it . There have been threads full of it, you just appeared to have scrolled too fast?

  67. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:38 am

    …and by the way, my comment about the blancmange criticism was a general observation, certainly not directed at reb’s most entertaining thread.

    Wow, a little late with that one aren’t you?

    So, who/what “generally” was it at? Angry peasants? ‘teh’ lefty bloggers (which ones)? The Labor party? or do you just want to keep in “general”, and tick those off as they present the case that your comment was perhaps …. misdirected?

  68. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:46 am

    And the surprises just keep coming

    PATIENTS will have to pay up to $1000 upfront to get medical imaging such as CAT scans, MRIs and X-rays as a result of a budget nasty that doctors fear could delay diagnosis.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/hidden-medicare-changes-in-federal-budget-medical-scans-could-cost-you-up-to-1000/story-fni6uo1m-1226952470053

  69. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:50 am

    HE TOLD US THERE WOULD BE NO CARBON TAX. HE LIED!

    Mr Obama reportedly said he understood the Australian Government had a mandate for its policy, while Mr Abbott said the fuel excise is already acting as a carbon price signal to improve energy efficiency.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-13/tony-abbott-and-barack-obama-agree-to-new-defence-posture/5520370

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:50 am

    The medicare levy isn’t a price on the service, it is a tax to provide the subsidy for the service.

    Anyone that supports a “carbon price” should understand that a price (even a modest one) is a useful mechanism in allocating a scarce resource. Lack of a (carbon) price (for example) is apparently a guarantee that use will be misallocated and less efficient.
    ——————–
    ..and yes, if I’ve been in a meeting (or doing something equally tiresome) I won’t always read every comment before I post my own. Isn’t that what everyone does?

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:52 am

    No, my comment about a blancmange of criticism was directed more at the angry noise (about everythhing) in protests and on some othe rblogs.

  72. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:53 am

    The CFMEU rides in style in the vanguard of the astroturfers.

  73. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 10:00 am

    The medicare levy isn’t a price on the service, it is a tax

    ROFL

    So, did Gillard introduce a Carbon Price or Carbon Tax? Rhetoric question.

    No, my comment about a blancmange of criticism was directed more at the angry noise (about everythhing) in protests and on some othe rblogs.

    Glad you finally cleared that up, kinda. So, people who have had their safety nets ripped away, and been lied to brazenly by a pm before he did that, should be reasoned and calm in there protestations

    LIKE FUCK!

    Mind you, within all this “noise”, there is much cutting commentary highlighting what is wrong with the budget, and why, but, for those addicted to colour and movement, perhaps they just don’t (want) to see it?

  74. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 10:05 am

    “fuel excise is already acting as a carbon price signal”

    Abbott can’t lie straight in bed.

  75. Walrus Currently Whale Watching permalink
    June 13, 2014 10:05 am

    “Over the last nine years Frank Lowy’s Westfield Group paid an average of 8% tax, with its Retail Trust paying 0%.”

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn…………………………!

    Trusts generally don’t pay tax because they distribute taxable income to others that do. They are a conduit.

    And why is 9 years so significant. Could it be to show things in the worst possible light kind like all that man made climate change bullshit that you worshippers try to foist upon us.

  76. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 10:09 am

    The more I read about the CFMEU, the more I like ’em.

    http://australiafirstparty.net/golden-dawn-protest-in-brisbane-cfmeu-thugs-cause-violence-from-left-field/

    I heard a “lefty” who attended protesting against the Australia first talking about this on Sunday Safran, and he was quite surprised to see the CFMEU there protesting against racists.

    Good on ’em.

    Although, if the unprovoked attack occurred as described, then they should be condemned but…af have a history, and I’m glad someone is standing up against them

  77. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2014 10:22 am

    “The more I read about the CFMEU, the more I like ‘em.”

    No surprise there. They are the epitome of Unionland thuggery and corruption. You must be especially pleased now they have joined forces with the like-minded Comancheros. They are not the only union allied with organised criminals, just business as usual in Unionland.

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2014 10:39 am

    The officials of CFMEU (Construction Division) are generally ratbags and thugs. Brute force is preferred to rational debate, they don’t understand shades of grey.

    Spending $75,000 on a bogan style ute is money well spent in their world. Just like having 2 or 3 100 inch plasma TVs. The restful weekend away from the hurly burly of unionised construction is pig shooting and drinking bourbon from the bottle.

  79. Walrus Currently Whale Watching permalink
    June 13, 2014 10:44 am

    Even today the filthy stench of the corrupt slimebag Gillard’s time as PM linger.

    Just look at how mind boggling stupid the early announcement of this ongoing ASADA investigation has become.

    Here we are over almost 18 months after that prime fuckwit Jason Clare announced the “Blackest Day in Australian Sport” what do we have. “Possible Breaches”………………………………….Fuck me dead 18 months and all we have are possible fucking breaches involving one AFL team and possibly………………………fuck we still don’t know……………………..possibly one NRL team.

    And where are these numerous links to criminal gangs and all this match fixing.

    Why was the head of Soccer and Cricket and Rugby even there ?

    Why were aspersions cast upon their sports when nothing of note has barely emerged ?

    Gillard and Rudd plus their various MPs were the most disgusting pieces of shit to ever be foisted upon the Australian people.

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2014 10:55 am

    “Gillard and Rudd plus their various MPs were the most disgusting pieces of shit to ever be foisted upon the Australian people.

    You are being unkind to shit.

  81. Walrus Currently Whale Watching permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:07 am

    ROFLMAO…………………I see the Café is no more.

    Obviously dimwitted Lefties like Catching Up and her mentor the Great Fuckwit of Canbera cant even run a successful Blog

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:09 am

    … even as tobacco companies argue business is better than ever.

    Bet they’re kicking themselves for not thinking of it themselves, then, TR 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A modest co-payment is reasonable, in fact I think the $7 should be for pensioners etc, actual income earners should bay more like $25.

    So does Abbott and Hockey … gets rid of Medicare … noice touch, the “in fact” … its actually your opinion … and the “overuse” of “free” medical services is a nonsense … in fact ( 🙂 ) research has proven that the statement is incorrect and has been linked here over the last two weeks or so …

    The medicare levy isn’t a price on the service, it is a tax to provide the subsidy for the service.

    Anyone that supports a “carbon price” should understand that a price (even a modest one) is a useful mechanism in allocating a scarce resource. Lack of a (carbon) price (for example) is apparently a guarantee that use will be misallocated and less efficient.

    What fkn gobbledygook …just what is in the wine you’ve been drinking?

    “fuel excise is already acting as a carbon price signal”

    Abbott can’t lie straight in bed.

    I’d like to see how they extrapolate that info … right for a change, egg …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Trusts generally don’t pay tax because they distribute taxable income to others that do. They are a conduit.

    The last sentence is right! To reduce tax on income … er one person and the non taxable component is? Six (eg) taxable incomes and the non taxable income is?

    And why is 9 years so significant. ‘Cause that’s how long they’ve only paid 8% tax for … duh! One year is too many!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I notice the discussion on the BUDGET is straying … well done the, Look Over There Crowd …

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:11 am

    Gillard and Rudd plus their various MPs were the most disgusting pieces of shit to ever be foisted upon the Australian people.

    Then along came Abbott and the Private School Bullies to show ’em how its really done …

  84. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:18 am

    ‘… cant even run a successful Blog’

    Taylor thought it wouldn’t last more than a month, then quite by chance he discovered all these email addresses.

    History is not my strong point.

  85. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:22 am

    Just look at how mind boggling stupid the early announcement of this ongoing ASADA investigation has become.

    So, it didn’t occur to you that they announced it because essendon got wind of it and tried to head it off?

    I feel sorry for (most) of the players, but essendon need to be hammered.

    Bet they’re kicking themselves for not thinking of it themselves, then, TR

    ROFL

    just what is in the wine you’ve been drinking?

    whine?

    I see the Café is no more.

    Yes, more interest in the AIMN is my guess. Sad to see it go though. There were tumbleweeds growing there, while the AIMN was getting the traffic.

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:29 am

    I’ve not been specifically opposed to a carbon tax/price. The problem was simply that the ALP was all over the place-
    *The most important moral, economic issue etc.
    *No it isn’t
    *One of the issues that Gillard used to say Rudd’s government had ‘lost its way’
    *The laughable ‘big committee’ approach
    *No carbon tax
    *Yes there is
    *No there isn’t

    The only direction the ALP followed was the circular expedient one.
    ======
    Abbott has now broken his word too, and thoroughly deserves his sinking popularity.

  87. Walrus Currently Whale Watching permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:30 am

    “So, it didn’t occur to you that they announced it because essendon got wind of it and tried to head it off?”

    You meant……………..

    “So, it didn’t occur to you that they announced it because Gillard got wind of something to do with Craig Thomson happening the next day and tried to head it off?”

    Even if that was so and you offer no proof it was why was Cricket, Rugby and Soccer CEOs at the announcement ?

    And where are all these charges relating to match fixing and organised crime by the way ?

    Oh………..I think there was a match fix in an obscure second division soccer club in Victoria.

    Well fuck me…………….what a black day that makes it.

    The ALP is populated by complete fucking arseholes

  88. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:31 am

    Gillard and Rudd plus their various MPs were the most disgusting pieces of shit to ever be foisted upon the Australian people.

    I agree with that.

    But what does that say about the people who voted for them in 2007??

  89. Walrus Currently Whale Watching permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:33 am

    “Taylor thought it wouldn’t last more than a month, then quite by chance he discovered all these email addresses.”

    ROFLMAO………………..”discovered” you say ?

    Yeah…………..just like a thief discovers a nice piece of jewellery in your house and makes off with it

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:34 am

    AIMN is just another little on line fiefdom, where people are banned on a whim, without reference to the owner’s published policy on comments.

  91. Walrus Currently Whale Watching permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:35 am

    “”But what does that say about the people who voted for them in 2007??””

    Don’t push it Neil…………………………………some of us did……………

    No one’s perfect LOL

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:44 am

    “Don’t push it Neil…………………………………some of us did……………

    i still don’t get it. Unemployment at 4.3% and trending down in 2007.

    Federal govt debt at -3.8% of GDP in 2007. Yes that is MINUS 3.8% of GDP and earning interest.

    Booming economy, skills shortages, no debt, the envy of the world.

    But the Australian people said rack off to Howard and don’t come back until you have changed. I do not understand the 2007 election results.

  93. June 13, 2014 11:56 am

    “I do not understand the 2007 election results.”

    Maybe you should just get over it…. (just saying)

  94. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 13, 2014 11:59 am

    I will never get over results i do not understand.

    Australians have changed.

    They want this, that, whatever.

    They do not want surplus budgets.

  95. Meta permalink
    June 13, 2014 12:10 pm

    (“They want this, that, whatever.”

    I want a ride in a mock-up Lightning II which can’t fly within 42-clicks of a thunderstorm.)

  96. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 12:12 pm

    ‘Abbott has now broken his word too, and thoroughly deserves his sinking popularity.’

    Realpolitik comes at a price.

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2014 12:22 pm

    “I will never get over results i do not understand.

    Howard did a lot of rotten things and they caught up with him. Even so he was never going to lose to raving loon like Mad Mark Latham.

    Rudd seemed reasonable. He promised to be economically prudent. He was a great campaigner. People did not realise he was an insecure little weirdo.

    Also, Australians prefer a more compassionate government and the ALP has been able to convince them that it has this attribute. Thus when the economy is in good order people get comfortable enough to try the ALP again. Then it goes and screws up the economy and they vote for the other lot to clean up the mess. This time round it does not look like the Libs are even capable of that.

    Australians have changed.

    They want this, that, whatever.

    They do not want surplus budgets.

    As more and more people benefit from government entitlements they become divorced from economic reality and tend to vote for the best Santa Clause impersonater. The Libs, by expanding middle-class welfare, are digging their own grave.

  98. June 13, 2014 12:27 pm

    Hilarious… Squeal has no idea why John Howard was unceremoniously canned from his own seat where he resides. Maybe this is the type of deluded versioning that has Gillard as some mastermind crook that is going to burn in a tax payer funded show trial of childish vindictiveness.. but the Adults are in charge right?

    I can tell you one thing sure as shit when Labor is returned at the next election, there will be no show trials into the myriad of election slush funds, and slipper gate.

    The fiberal Abbott lie is over, The minister for vginal discharge. “the environmentalist” is an endangered species and history will judge this lot for what they are..pathetic, social disconnected elitist ideologists.

    Whatever Rudd and Gillard may be, they did not hide it, it is the reinvented minister for menstruation that sets a stratospheric high bar in dishonesty and stupidity. The minister for vaginal vindictiveness makes Billy Mcmahon look like Billy Hughes.

    Wally the only things Squeal is pushing is the same labored point over and over and shit uphill 🙂

  99. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 12:29 pm

    ‘They do not want surplus budgets.’

    Along with Walrus, I voted for the Ruddster, there wasn’t a cloud in sight. Then came the GFC and Labor spent like a wool shearer on a weekend binge.

    But when I voted for Julia I lost all credibility, failing to foresee the possibility of a minority government and the spending spree to follow. Its what the socialists refer to as the Third Way, an economic disaster waiting to happen.

  100. June 13, 2014 12:33 pm

    Even so he was never going to lose to raving loon like Mad Mark Latham.

    I knew him well enough before Sussex street made that push to say “You fucking Joking…taking the piss right?” Wow what a mistake that was. Funny enough he is actually a really good writer as much as he is a manic depressive looper, he is much better on paper 🙂

  101. June 13, 2014 12:37 pm

    Egg Australia desperately needs a third wheel to break this fucking stupidity.. The Greens had hoped to pick up where the democrats left off but that would like voting for The Broom Broom party or the Clive Palmer sycophant society.

  102. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:10 pm

    ‘Australia desperately needs a third wheel to break this fucking stupidity..’

    Seems unlikely to happen, but its not about that. The Third Way was meant as transition to a more pragmatic form of socialism in the modern world, Julia and her colleagues knew what had to be done.

    Greece is a good example of this bankrupt idea.

  103. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:19 pm

    Yes Ricky, I think choice is a disaster these days.

    I joined the Democrats a few years ago – socially progressive, relatively conservative on economic policy. They don’t seem to get any traction these days.

  104. Walrus Currently Whale Watching permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:19 pm

    Green = Immature, Not Ready, Inexperieced, Not Competent

  105. June 13, 2014 1:29 pm

    Wally, usually sour, bitter, indigestible and gives you the shits ? just like the opposite end of the pendulum swing, radical anything is unpalatable 🙂

    Vale Jim Keays and heed these words of relevance in this, the lowest Ebb of Australia’s political discourse… Future Of Our Nation indeed

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:52 pm

    Squeal has no idea why John Howard was unceremoniously canned from his own seat where he resides.

    Absolutely. I have no idea.

    A good govt was thrown out in 2007.

    The only thing that makes sense to me is that Australia turned to the dark side in 2007 and then bragged about it.

  107. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:52 pm

    Then came the GFC and Labor spent like a wool shearer on a weekend binge.

    And thank god they did.

    The outcome proves it was the correct thing to do.

  108. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:54 pm

    Absolutely. I have no idea.

    Finally, nil has an outbreak of reality 🙂

  109. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:56 pm

    I lost all credibility

    Your little backroom is where that was lost a long time ago grodo, well before you came here

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 2:21 pm

    The Libs, by expanding middle-class welfare, are digging their own grave.

    Logical and to the point … agree …

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 2:24 pm

    Absolutely. I have no idea.

    Comedy Gold! 🙂

  112. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 2:44 pm

    My back room is bias free.

  113. June 13, 2014 2:47 pm

    The Libs, by expanding middle-class welfare, are digging their own grave.

    Just like The sins of the father JWH.. Its pretty to watch too TB

    Absolutely. no idea.
    Comedy Gold! 🙂

    Ain’t it hysterically piss funny… wipes teardrop from eye

  114. Doe permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:46 pm

    Protest to Bust the Budget on July 6th!

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:51 pm

    Which part of the budget particularly bothers you Doe?

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:52 pm

    er, thanks, D …

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:59 pm

    Just like The sins of the father JWH.. Its pretty to watch too TB

    Credit where due … the “digging their own grave” came from, sb … I was just agreeing … I agree wi’ you too .. RP …

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:01 pm

    Which part of the budget particularly bothers you Doe?

    OR … is there anything that doesn’t bother you in the Budget, D …?

    willkommen …

  119. Doe permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:21 pm

    I’m just hoping that protesting can prevent things like the changes to health support (my mother has leukaemia) changes to uni fees (im an honors student). I also cant see the justification in this government not appointing a minister for science. Why is it wasting hundreds of millions on school chaplains. How can they justify making religious classes mandatory or firing secular social workers.

  120. Doe permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:42 pm

    I mean the chaplaincy program is one thing, but at the same time they are cutting funding for CSIRO. Along with spending massive amounts of money on jets in an “economic crisis”.. This governments priorities are just disturbing.

  121. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 6:54 pm

    ‘I’m just hoping that protesting can prevent things’

    Probably not, but maintain your rage a DD election could be just around the corner.

    ‘…but at the same time they are cutting funding for CSIRO.’

    They had no choice, its been a waste.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 6:54 pm

    Doe, keep commenting … there are friends and friendly enemies here … ’tis a unique blend of fact and BS… the BS is mostly from friendly enemas … oops! 🙂

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 6:57 pm

    Probably not, but maintain your rage a DD election could be just around the corner.

    Agree, egg … but more precisely …

    “Probably not, but maintain your rage a DD election SHOULD be just around the corner.”

    They had no choice, its been a waste. CSIRO

    You’d be the only egg in the country that believes that … do some fkn research, egg …

  124. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 7:01 pm

    Its only the weather stuff they are going to purge.

  125. June 13, 2014 7:45 pm

    ” I also cant see the justification in this government not appointing a minister for science. Why is it wasting hundreds of millions on school chaplains. How can they justify making religious classes mandatory or firing secular social workers.”

    Yes, it’s ideological & fucking humiliating, for a supposedly ‘enlightened’ nation state.

  126. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 7:50 pm

    In the manner of Yes Minister the CSIRO was given the latitude to cut whatever they liked, without any obvious government interference.

    They knew which way the wind was blowing and did what was expected.

  127. June 13, 2014 7:52 pm

    Thing that shits me about public high schools at the moment…and I have a daughter in Yr9, so I get it…is the opt out mechanism for religious indoctrination (in a PUBLIC school, forfucksake!).

    ie…if you don’t want your kid to be compelled to attend religious indoctrination at a public high school you must send a signed letter saying so at the beginning of the year.
    Can anyone here give me a credible reason why it should not be the other way around ….ie. opt in?

  128. June 13, 2014 7:54 pm

    Not at all concerned about my daughter, she is faaaar beyond being captured by the fantasists, but it’s the fucking principle .

    If you want religious indoctrination (let’s face it, we’re talking about Christian propagation here) send your spawn to a religious school. Otherwise, get your fucking nonsense out of my public education system.

  129. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 8:06 pm

    It would be fairer to leave the decision up to the young people, not their parents who may already have a smattering of useless faith.

    Mexico and Saudi Arabia don’t have science ministers, just sayin’

  130. Doe permalink
    June 13, 2014 8:07 pm

    “the BS is mostly from friendly enemas”

    ..Well I guess I prefer that to the suppository of wisdom. 🙂

    umm how likely is a double dissolution though?

  131. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 8:09 pm

    It would be a suicidal mission, but the Monk will have little choice if he confronts a hostile senate.

  132. June 13, 2014 8:12 pm

    Shunting science in favour of (a particular) religion is deplorable.

  133. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 8:38 pm

    Eradicating religiosity from scientific endeavour is not a bad thing.

  134. June 14, 2014 1:04 pm

    Hockey’s Romney Moment, And His Declaration Of War…

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/06/13/hockeys-romney-moment-and-his-declaration-war

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 14, 2014 1:18 pm

    OK Reb

    Under Labor we were heading for $667B of debt if nothing was done.

    Easy to make smart arse comments.

    Do you think debt is a problem??

    Should we as a people put everything on the Mastercard??

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 1:55 pm

    It would be fairer to leave the decision up to the young people, not their parents who may already have a smattering of useless faith.
    Mexico and Saudi Arabia don’t have science ministers, just sayin’

    what a stupid statement, as if anything can be left up to the young people, they have no say in the system they attend and their parents have to sign the bloody opt out note. So if the religious [or just plain conforming] parent’s refuse to sign, the young person is forced into RI against their will.

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 2:00 pm

    Do you think debt is a problem??

    do you think stupid attempts at trick questions are a problem?

  138. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 14, 2014 2:09 pm

    Too funny

    Lots of people make fun of the budget. But we were heading for $667B of debt if nothing was done. We are already paying $1B/years in interest on the debt you retards produced.

    We will lose our AAA credit rating if our debt gets much higher meaning our interest bill will increase.

    Reb makes fun of Hockey but gives no answers.

    I can only assume Reb thinks we should put everything on the credit card and stuff the next generation of people.

  139. egg permalink
    June 14, 2014 3:49 pm

    ‘what a stupid statement’

    Let’s say a 13 year old doesn’t believe in fairy tails, yet her parents are staunch in the faith, surely she should be able to decide her own future free of indoctrination.

  140. June 14, 2014 3:52 pm

    “I can only assume Reb thinks we should put everything on the credit card and stuff the next generation of people.”

    Well as usual you’d be wrong.

    Reb actually thinks that those who can afford to pay more, should pay more, and those that can’t afford to pay more should pay the same or less.

    Hockey seems to have a problem with that concept, and by default so do you.

  141. June 14, 2014 3:59 pm

    Well as usual you’d be wrong.
    Reb actually thinks

    As opposed to Squeal.. I mean doesn’t he get tired of saying the same mundane unsubstantiated rubbish over and over

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 4:15 pm

    Let’s say a 13 year old doesn’t believe in fairy tails, yet her parents are staunch in the faith, surely she should be able to decide her own future free of indoctrination.

    You think all 13 yo kids [both sexes] have autonomy from their parents and are allowed to make their own decisions for school and in life?

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 4:25 pm

    Ok, I think something is missing on our debate about Tax. Tax is primarily a redistribution of wealth, it’s not a payment for services rendered by the government. If you’re not getting as much out as you’re putting in, then congratulations, you’re in the top 50%. Without tax redistribution all the money will drift to the top and we’ll have a rerun of the industrial revolution. Also wealth is not a direct measure of how hard you work; or does Gina Rinehart actually work 208,689 times as hard as the average Australian? If you’re a high income earner then society is already doing a lot for you. Or do you really think your skills would be just as valuable in an anarchic society? This budget is undermining that redistribution. You might think that’ll make things better but in the long run, face it, you’re not uber rich.
    Commenter
    JLD, Melb, June 11, 2014, 3:12PM

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/more-to-publics-dislike-of-the-budget-than-simple-selfishness-20140610-zs2ol.html#ixzz34alwDpt6

  144. June 14, 2014 4:28 pm

    Seriously The minister for Visceral Vaginal Vindictiveness is a wait for it a… “Conservationist”…

    Well Cover me in Climate Crap, wrap me up in Green tape, Whiff my CSG, heritage list me at Abott point on the Reef…. Don’t seem to remember him with Bob Brown on the franklin? I think we should rest lightly on the rhetorical bullshit spouted from a delusional megalomaniac

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/tony-abbott-i-am-a-conservationist-and-we-should-rest-lightly-on-the-planet

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 5:27 pm

    Seriously The minister for Visceral Vaginal Vindictiveness is a wait for it a… “Conservationist”…

    If you look at many of abbott’s past public statements he will often brazenly claim and ‘own’ what he is criticised for eg “I’m the best friend of medicare”. He thinks the public might just believe his barefaced lies [rusted ons like neil will] but mostly it’s a propaganda technique [transfer] he takes ownership to receive a positive association that has been granted to the other [conservation]. We all know he and his media unit are experts at propaganda.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_(propaganda)

    Is Tony Abbott a liar, or just plain stupid?
    http://precariousclimate.com/2012/08/25/tony-abbott-liar-or-stupid/

    Perhaps we should always believe the opposite of what tony abbott says and then we’d have an idea of what he really means to say.

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2014 5:57 pm

    The ALP (ie Sawn) trashed any reputation they had for budgetary responsibility, Abbott and Hockey therefore think they implement a range of measures in the budget that are ideologically (rather then fiscally) driven.

    The changes to university fees (imposing ever greater levels of debt on youths) and the outrageous 6 month waiting period for the dole, aren’t going to make any real difference to the timing of any surplus, those policies are just low grade social engineering.

    It’s just a pity that the ALP will ultimately be the beneficiary of this political/ideological agenda.

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 14, 2014 5:58 pm

    (ie Swan)

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:00 pm

    From sreb’s Romney Moment link …

    You can see what Hockey’s trying to do here. Framing criticism of the budget as tired, old “socialism”, the Treasurer wants to claim the high moral ground of economic reform.

    This “theme” keeps cropping up here too I see …

    I think what Abbott, Hockey and I suspect not all the Liberal Party have missed … is that the Australian people, in general, have a constant little thought in the back of their mind when it comes to assistance of any kind … that could be me one day …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Should we as a people put everything on the Mastercard??

    No, but many have a mortgage and personal loans to improve their lifestyle and many borrow to buy investments that may help them to survive in the future …

    What you need to study is that there are two types of debt … that which helps us – ie infrastructure (to use your analogy – an extra room for a new baby) and bad debt like 58 faulty warplanes (eg buying a second car when you only need one but the second car is riddled with problems) …

    And DEBT is not to be confused with LIVING EXPENSES … (eg ensuring people have a roof over their heads, food in their tum tums, money for kids schools/training/unis nad a bit tucked away in case someone gets sick)

    What Hockey wants to do is to raid the kids piggy banks, the joint account and sell the contents of the family fridge! To pay for the second bombcar … (pun intended)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Is this bloke two faced, stupid, incompetent or just a bare faced LIAR?

    Or has his world holiday tour edified him? Or …. just more policy on the run … does Hunt know what he has said, I wonder?

    But he said it was “prudent” to reduce emissions, which was why he would deliver a $2.55 billion direct action policy and encourage renewable energy such as wind, solar and geothermal.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/lets-be-energy-superpower-abbott/story-e6frfkui-1226954246909

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:04 pm

    what a stupid statement, as if anything can be left up to the young people, they have no say in the system they attend and their parents have to sign the bloody opt out note.

    My thoughts exactly, when I read that, KL … the iggorance astounds … or there is little experience with children (or a lot with church) …

    How telling … suffer the little children to come unto me … and when I was growing up if the kids weren’t baptised they would end up in purgatory … what cruel people religionists are …

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:05 pm

    We are already paying $1B/years in interest on the debt you retards produced.

    You voted for Abbott – ’tis your debt …

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:07 pm

    Let’s say a 13 year old doesn’t believe in fairy tails, yet her parents are staunch in the faith, surely she should be able to decide her own future free of indoctrination.

    Exactly why it should not be in public schools at all … for your edification a child cannot make his/her decisions until 16 …

  152. egg permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:13 pm

    Oh, my bad.

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:15 pm

    From KL’s comment 4:25 …

    Tony Abbott has turned out to be a chameleon. Before the election, he took the guise of a populist, opposed to all things nasty and in favour of all things nice. Since the election, he’s revealed himself to be a hard-line ideologue, intent on reshaping government to suit the interests of big business and high-income earners.

    And this really pisses me off … why does it take people so long to figure this shite out! All the signs were there …

    Still we have Kneel … and all the other spawn … incredufknbilis …

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:19 pm

    Perhaps we should always believe the opposite of what tony abbott says and then we’d have an idea of what he really means to say.

    Yeah, but not what he will actually DO, KL …

    I think description we are looking for is unpredictable … and … certainly unpredictable!

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:21 pm

    Oh, my bad.

    Ah ah … you can finally be useful, egg …

    … find out where you can see Tony Abbott or Joe Hockey … either will do …

    … and then …

    … throw yourself at them!

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:32 pm

    “You voted for Abbott – ’tis your debt …

    Typical ALP supporter. Create a mess and then expect someone else to clean it up.

    No personal responsibility.

    WE will lose our AAA credit rating soon if nothing is done.

  157. June 14, 2014 6:37 pm

    ^^^^^^^ Squeal broken record ^^^^^^
    People that use the word “Typical” as an adjective are in most cases and most certainly in the distance, defending their own ignorant stupidity.

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:38 pm

    ToM, you too are starting to sound shrill over this budget …

    The ALP (ie Sawn) trashed any reputation they had for budgetary responsibility, Abbott and Hockey therefore think they implement a range of measures in the budget that are ideologically (rather then fiscally) driven.

    I assume that Sawn = Swan … and the GFC dictated to a great deal what the ALP did (and, as you should know if you are educated in economics – the lessons of the Great Depression) … politics dictated that they couldn’t just STOP building school halls …

    The changes to university fees (imposing ever greater levels of debt on youths) and the outrageous 6 month waiting period for the dole, aren’t going to make any real difference to the timing of any surplus, those policies are just low grade social engineering.

    Funny you should say that – social engineering is a communist trait … sb, will be disappointed … like the rest of us!

    It’s just a pity that the ALP will ultimately be the beneficiary of this political/ideological agenda.

    Please explain?

    I notice you didn’t mention the apprentices, sick and pensioners … acceptable social engineering?

    Just curious – are you a fan of Soylent Green?

    ===================================

    I just received a newsletter from my local Weekend Warrior program …

    http://weekendwarriors.org.au/

    They now accept applicants between 30 and 60 … mmmm … is that a “trend” … wonder what they’ll do when people have to wait till 70 to retire?

  159. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:50 pm

    Typical ALP supporter. Create a mess and then expect someone else to clean it up.

    I really am sick of your fuckwittedness … I played soldier for two useless years and lost thousands of dollars and opportunities because of the Liberal Party … for a war that I disagreed with, was unnecessary and that we rightly lost … had I not served I would have gone to jail … don’t talk to me about the socialist and communists … I’ve been controlled by the Liberals and Nationals before … Queensland was a virtual dictatorship during the JBP era and its heading the same way with Sir Noddy …

    And mark my words Tony Abbott wants to go to war … if that happens I’ll be calling for HIS children to don an ADF uniform before mine!

    And you accuse me of not cleaning up someone else’s mess … you fucking ignorant moron …

    WE will lose our AAA credit rating soon if nothing is done.

    Australia is one of the richest countries in the world you fkn panic artist … find a bridge …

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 6:53 pm

    Australia is one of the richest countries in the world you fkn panic artist … find a bridge …

    I just realised that could be misinterpreted by our overseas viewers (and I suspect Kneel is an “immigrant”)

    The Australian phrase I quoted half of, is … build a bridge … and get over it …

  161. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 14, 2014 7:28 pm

    “(and I suspect Kneel is an “immigrant”)

    Quite offensive of course. And as usual your judgement is stuffed.

    “And you accuse me of not cleaning up someone else’s mess

    No. I am accusing you of not cleaning up YOUR mess.

    ““You voted for Abbott – ’tis your debt “

    No. It is not my debt. It is YOUR debt. YOUR mess. YOUR creation.

    CLEAN IT UP YOURSELF

  162. egg permalink
    June 14, 2014 7:32 pm

    ‘throw yourself at them!’

    I’m not yet prepared to desert my non aligned status.

  163. June 14, 2014 8:23 pm

    Hey TB.. some of us appreciate your sacrifice Digger.. Fuckwits Like Squeal have never fought for or believed in anything in their lives aside from buying a paper and being nose led as a sycophant sucking corporate dick for a modest middle class wage. He dont make anything, writes like a child, is meagerly educated, morally and spiritually lost incapable of critical thinking.

    Truth be told Sqweel, I have a fair idea that she is a fat middle aged muslim lebo woman from the western suburbs on a DSP who splits her time between catlick confession pedo phone sex and work for the dole fiberal troll program to score his methodone. Thats why him an Inane had so much in common. Not to generalise or anything right 🙄

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 8:41 pm

    ““You voted for Abbott – ’tis your debt “
    No. It is not my debt. It is YOUR debt. YOUR mess. YOUR creation.
    CLEAN IT UP YOURSELF

    The Abbott/Hockey/IPA ideological budget has done nothing to improve the deficit, so much for emergency measures. Hockey added to the debt ceiling remember?

    Quite offensive of course.

    who knew that being an immigrant is considered offensive these days? Guess you can’t have such fearmongering around immigration without some people getting all racist.

    This “theme” keeps cropping up here too I see …

    I don’t think the communism/socialism scare is going to work this time, too many people horrified by this budget, including their own voters. It’s seen as loony tea party stuff.

    It’s just a pity that the ALP will ultimately be the beneficiary of this political/ideological agenda.

    I do agree with that tomM, the ALP should have expected to be in the political wilderness for a decade, now voters will run back to them in fear of their lives. The ALP may not need to do the soul-seeking and reforming that they badly need, the election may have been handed to them by the conservative idiots. the next couple of years are going to be interesting!

  165. Feral Whims permalink
    June 14, 2014 8:48 pm

    Just came across this. Some of youse might enjoy …

  166. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 14, 2014 8:52 pm

    “who knew that being an immigrant is considered offensive these days?

    Well TB called me an immigrant. i assumed he was trying to offend me otherwise why did he say it? The other option is that he was trying to be nice (ha ha).

    “Hockey added to the debt ceiling remember?”

    He had too. Debt was increasing so rapidly we were going to reach our debt limit in no time flat. And then we would have had a situation like the US has from time to time. By the way i think it was the ALP that introduced having a debt ceiling. I don’t think we ever had one until recently.

  167. Psy Co permalink
    June 14, 2014 8:55 pm

    That’s not even the clip I wanted. Try this …

  168. June 14, 2014 9:01 pm

    ””””””””””””””’could have been penned by the US Tea Party fringe given its assault on equity and the contempt””””””””””’

    l have also noticed that folks that were critical of people like me that referred to the John-W regime as `teabags`, have now found the moxy to correctly call them teabags now that mr-rabbit has ramped the nonsense up a notch. lt is the same nonsense JohnW was peddling, just not as loudly.

  169. June 14, 2014 9:12 pm

    Well TB called me an immigrant. i assumed he was trying to offend me am an offensive, repetitive, imbecilic moronic troll

    True dat, squeal does hate his country.

    Love that Psy Co

  170. Tee Begs permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:16 pm

    “l have also noticed that folks that were critical of people like me that referred to the John-W regime as `teabags`”

    Yeah, don’t go rewriting history, Bagz. The Tea Party movement wasn’t even a thing in the US until Santelli’s broadcast in 2009.

    Anything you claim to have called Howard’s regime can only be your addled imagination playing tricks on your “mind”, and definitely ex post facto.

    (But reality isn’t one of your strong points.)

  171. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:34 pm

    “True dat, squeal does hate his country.

    And it continues. TB calls me an immigrant. And now i am accused of hating the country i was born and raised in.

    What i do hate is the ALP.

  172. June 14, 2014 9:36 pm

    l`m not talking about a/the `timeline` Tinfoil`osy, l am talking about the howling that has gone on at writers, that have pointed out the similar lunacy that johnW peddled, and team-Palin peddled. (#and now mr-rabbit peddles)

  173. Oh Canadia permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:39 pm

    Guffaw.

  174. June 14, 2014 9:48 pm

    ”””””””””””””””””too many people horrified by this budget, including their own voters. It’s seen as loony tea party stuff.””””””””’

    #agree that it`s loony teabag stuff, and people are horrified, not convinced it will be passed and put into action at this stage tho

  175. June 14, 2014 10:05 pm

    ”””””’guffaw””””””

    .

    ”””””””””””””Contrast these comments from Mr Hockey with those of Jack Lew: “Payments are too broadly available to too many people”, adding, “Only in a closed economy, based on old-style socialism, can a government hope to deliver uniform equality of outcomes. We have moved on.”

    http://thekouk.com/blog/joe-hockey-s-tea-party-rant.html#.U5kgD_na6Sq
    ”””””””””””””””’

    .

    ”””””””””’In a message that a Tea Party elder would be proud, Mr Hockey noted, “Whilst income tax is by far our largest form of revenue, just 10 per cent of the population pays nearly two-thirds of all income tax.”

    Let’s have a look at what the Tea Party in the US say about these sorts of things. According to the Tea Party Patriots, “When given the choice between paying higher taxes and receiving fewer government services, a vast number of Americans chose receiving fewer government services”.

    There is no source for this claim.”””””””””””””””’

    #for the benefit of Tinfoil`osy, l repeat,

    ”””There is no source for this claim.””’

    ””””””””””””””The Tea Party platform then notes that “Excessively high taxes are a burden for those exercising their personal liberty to work hard and prosper.” It continues, “A bloated bureaucracy creates wasteful spending that plagues our government. Reducing the overall size, scope and reach of government at both local and national levels will help to eliminate inefficiencies that result in deficit spending which adds to our country’s debt.”””””””””””””

    #do keep up Tinfoil`osy, much is from the johnW songbook

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 10:33 pm

    Quite offensive of course. And as usual your judgement is stuffed.

    Offensive? Being an immigrant? Why?

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 10:41 pm

    Hey TB.. some of us appreciate your sacrifice Digger

    Thanks, RP, but not really my point … I just had to wear a uniform … a couple of my mates paid the ultimate … I guess my real point was that we ALL have to pay the debt of ANY political party in power …

    Kneels continual personalising pisses me off …

    But the Kneels of this world piss me off with their stupidity and arrogance …

    TB calls me an immigrant

    I didn’t “call” you anything …

    I’m an immigrant … I find nothing offensive about immigrants … you obviously do …

  178. June 14, 2014 11:46 pm

    And it continues. TB calls me an immigrant. And now i am accused of hating the country i was born and raised in.

    No accusation Squeals does, he’s a hater.. thrives on it, lives for it, arrogant with no brain to back up, never wrong despite being shown in black and white.

    Tries to be the amature economist and like Abbott, his mastubatury poster boy, he shoehorns fibbs into a black and white narrow ideology steeped in the pure unbridled hatred that gets him off….Comes here because it make him feel smart despite being the village idiot.

    Squeals hates Australia

  179. June 14, 2014 11:57 pm

    TB I know it wasn’t the point .. Just sayin.

  180. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 10:24 am

    I find nothing offensive about immigrants … you obviously do …

    And the personalising continues. It is the Greens that want zero population growth. Most Conservatives believe our population is too small.

    I will admit that i have trouble with skilled immigration unless we need the skills. Our population is so small that the jobs market could be easily swamped. I see we are now bringing in dentists when there trained dentists unemployed.

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 10:57 am

    I see we are now bringing in dentists when there trained dentists unemployed.

    LOL! Can you prove that?

    BTW, my new dentist is called Irena and she comes from …. Russia … 🙂

    Lovely lady and very good …

    I will admit that i have trouble with skilled immigration unless we need the skills

    So you prefer unskilled Immigrants? … but you said earlier Most Conservatives believe our population is too small. … and then … Our population is so small that the jobs market could be easily swamped

    So do you agree with the Greens or the Conservatives?

    … as usual your comments seem to derive from a mind constantly in turmoil … with very little that is original thought … just regurgitating stuff you think hear or read … and occasionally reaching contradictory conclusions that no-one can unravel including you …

    … never a link or source provided for your ramblings just a misinterpretation of links supplied by other commenters to try and bolster the amateurish attempts to prove a wandering point of view …

    As for this … “And the personalising continues” … that’s another of your traits – mirroring statements that others have used to describe you … reflecting rather than deflecting … a common tactic amongst tory supporters* … I’m wondering whether you are actually someone’s experiment in AI …

    *Abbott and Hockey use this technique constantly (and a couple of others here) …

  182. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 1:48 pm

    LOL! Can you prove that?

    BTW, my new dentist is called Irena and she comes from …. Russia “

    You just answered my question. It was my dentist who told me about the fully trained dentists migrating to Australia. I do not agree with skilled migration unless we have a shortage.

    “So you prefer unskilled Immigrants?

    YEP!!!

  183. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 1:57 pm

    “BTW, my new dentist is called Irena and she comes from …. Russia

    By the way there is large scale migration from Eastern Europe. They are literally swamping the market in a large range of occupations.

    Employers like them because they don’t speak back if told to do something wrong by the boss because they are terrified of being sent home. They will also work for lowers wages. I know some Eastern Europeans who work for nothing for 1-2 years just to get their foot in the door of some highly trained professions.

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 2:16 pm

    You just answered my question.

    What fkn question?

    Its like communicating with Hal or Data … only not as intelligent …

    My dentist OWNS the business and employs local people …

    A local shop for local folk …

    “So you prefer unskilled Immigrants?”

    YEP!!!

    And to emigrate here in 1960 … my father “had” to have a trade … as do most immigrants

    Obviously you have no idea of the time and money required to train people … we’re broke you keep telling us …

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 2:25 pm

    Your question was this

    “LOL! Can you prove that?”

    That was in response to my statement that the market in some professions is being swamped eg dentists.

    You answered my question by mentioning Irena your own dentist.

    “Obviously you have no idea of the time and money required to train people … we’re broke you keep telling us …

    Yes and it is heartbreaking to see young Aussies training for years and then find the jobs market being swamped by Eastern Europeans.

    Employers like the Eastern Europeans because they do not talk back and will do things no Aussie would do because they do not want to be sent home.

    You obviously have no idea what is going on in some professions. I am not talking about the odd person here and there i am talking about mass migration of professional people from Eastern Europe.

  186. June 15, 2014 2:30 pm

    Employers like them because they don’t speak back if told to do something wrong by the boss because they are terrified of being sent home. They will also work for lowers wages. I know some Eastern Europeans who work for nothing for 1-2 years just to get their foot in the door of some highly trained professions.

    Sound Like Squeal advocates this type of thing, figures.. Fiberals never could understand industrial relation.. its part of the whole Born to rule Tyrant, do as you are told, be grateful slavery these Vuban puffing fucktards enjoy…

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 2:47 pm

    On a related topic i am sure everyone has heard of the White Australia policy introduced by the ALP.

    I always assumed it was a racial policy against Chinese immigration. But it was more than that. The ALP did not want Chinese Labor because they would work for lower wages and drive the wages of everyone else down.

    Substitute Chinese for Eastern European and you get the idea of what is happening in some professions.

    I guess if i lived in Eastern Europe i would do the same. We are a land of milk and honey and everybody wants to come here.

  188. June 15, 2014 3:45 pm

    Squeal really is a fuckwit.. Wish this fuctard would live in the present.. He really is pathetic…
    I mean I would seriously enjoy giving the pea brained know a history lesson about the grand poo bar Pig Iron Bob but who can be bothered…right?

    Fiberals love living in the past, trouble is they live to version their own reality of history in the hope that people like squeal buy it.

    Unadulterated Ignorance is the above assumption from a loungeroom with a high standard of living he enjoys now due to the industrial initiatives of the Union movement and the ALP that he condemns… but that is an inconvenient truth that his ignorance just can’t deal with above his blind hatred of his country…. what a complete fucktard he is.

  189. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 3:47 pm

    What is your point??

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 6:04 pm

    Declaring his trip to Indonesia, France, Canada and the US a success, Mr Abbott said he had improved security and trade ties.

    He said Australia played a disproportionately important role on the world stage.

    “We sometimes underestimate our clout around the world,” he said.

    “Yes, we are a middle power. Yet, nevertheless we are a significant, even a substantial middle power.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-says-he-is-keeping-his-options-open-to-help-the-united-states-in-iraq/story-fncynjr2-1226954818489

    Well now I’m convinced … Tony Abbot is nothing but an egotistical pinhead … and we thought Rudd and Gillard were bad …

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 6:17 pm

    What is your point??

    If we told you, you wouldn’t understand …

    And you’re tory colleagues thought Catching Up was constantly catching up … not a patch on you, Kneel …

    Just for starters, most Australians agree these days that the White Australia Policy was cringe-worthily, wrong … and here you are advocating its return …

    That was in response to my statement that the market in some professions is being swamped eg dentists.

    You answered my question by mentioning Irena your own dentist.

    It wasn’t a question it was a statement … FFS

    And my comment isn’t proof! That’s one dentist …

    One dentist isn’t “swamping” the profession … prove your statement … we need details and certainly statistical evidence …

    I’m now thinking over 80 and senile farmer … or is that, egg?

  192. egg permalink
    June 15, 2014 6:25 pm

    ‘and we thought Rudd and Gillard were bad …’

    They were.

  193. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 6:40 pm

    “Just for starters, most Australians agree these days that the White Australia Policy was cringe-worthily, wrong … and here you are advocating its return …”

    You really are a twister of words with no conscience.

    I did say the there should be some protection for people with professions.

    I would think most people who have spent years of their lives going to Uni, getting a profession and coming out with a HECS debt would not like competition from other countries.

    Russian scientists are paid $1,000/month. Australian scientists are paid $7,000/month. English is now the language of science and every scientist from a non-english speaking country wants a job in an english speaking country. It is just a lifestyle choice.

    “One dentist isn’t “swamping” the profession … prove your statement … we need details and certainly statistical evidence …

    Well at least you understand what i am trying to say. I went to the dentist last week and it was my dentist who told me what is happening.

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 7:17 pm

    It is just a lifestyle choice.

    Life is a lifestyle choice …

    ““One dentist isn’t “swamping” the profession … prove your statement … we need details and certainly statistical evidence … ”

    I went to the dentist last week and it was my dentist who told me what is happening

    and … You really are a twister of words with no conscience.

    Chuckle! Maybe a Dalek?

  195. June 15, 2014 8:06 pm

    What is your point??

    If you have to ask, you will remain ignorant.. as it’s hopelessly lost on your painfully embarrassing ignorance.

    You really are a twister of words with no conscience.

    A measure of great intellectual capacity is to humbly identify, understand and admit when one is wrong, especially when shown in defiance publicly. Those who twist words in defiance of fact ignoring context to shoehorn broken meaning into blind ideology are of low intelligence and devoid of empathetic reasoning; destined to never attain the wisdom afforded to critical thinking.

  196. egg permalink
    June 15, 2014 8:35 pm

    I agree with Ricky’s last sentence.

  197. June 15, 2014 9:20 pm

    ” I know some Eastern Europeans who work for nothing for 1-2 years just to get their foot in the door of some highly trained professions.”

    I was about to comment…”Russian Scientists, no doubt”…

    Then I read a bit further down the thread…

    “Russian scientists are paid $1,000/month. Australian scientists are paid $7,000/month. English is now the language of science and every scientist from a non-english speaking country wants a job in an english speaking country. It is just a lifestyle choice.”

    G U F F A W !

    Neil, are you, perchance, a spurned Australian scientist’s caddy or somesuch?! *just askin’

  198. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 9:27 pm

    If you only knew Toilet

  199. June 15, 2014 9:37 pm

    Squeals hates Science

  200. UR1 permalink
    June 15, 2014 9:50 pm

    Playing the man is common on the internets. I try, but don’t always succeed, not to use the word “you”.

  201. June 15, 2014 10:15 pm

    “If you only knew Toilet”

    Fair enough, Neil.

    I have no reason to doubt you. I worked with a Tartar man a decade or so ago, he was a trained vet. He proudly showed me a picture of him being presented with his citizenship by the then SA Premier, John Bannon. He wasn’t allowed to operate as a vet here because his degree wasn’t recognised. He had struggled to get the same shitty job as me, at the time. He had to put up with the scummy fucks from Salisbury & Elizabeth who padded out our workforce mocking him about his accent & generally treating him like untermensch.
    Yersee…we all have these individual stories that we could tell. Contrasting but equally valid.

  202. June 15, 2014 10:15 pm

    UR2

  203. egg permalink
    June 15, 2014 10:20 pm

    ‘Squeals hates Science’

    That’s not true, he wants all Australians to get a fair and decent wage. He doesn’t have a clue about the science fraternity.

  204. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 10:33 pm

    I have no reason to doubt you. I worked with a Tartar man a decade or so ago, he was a trained vet.”

    Toilet, English is now the language of science. This does not apply to other professions. If you want to publish some scientific research it has to be in English. So every scientist on this planet has to learn English.

    To cut a long story short there are 50,000 scientists from non-english speaking countries who want a job in Australia.

    Russian scientists get paid $1,000/month. They have trouble surviving on that salary. So they all want jobs in Australia because the pay is better and it is a nicer country to live in. And they can speak english.

    We do not know how good we have it here. I have never heard anybody from Russia or from Eastern Europe say anything nice about the countries they were born in. They hate the place. Apparently Russia is corrupt from top to bottom. Nothing gets done in that country without money passing under the table.

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 10:07 am

    Apparently Russia is corrupt from top to bottom. Nothing gets done in that country without money passing under the table.

    You obviously haven’t been following local news, Kneel …

  206. June 16, 2014 10:20 am

    TB Squeal has all types of assumptions about stuff and places he has never been.. He’s an authority on the US too.. he saw it on tele.

    My old next door neighbors were boat people from Vietnam, One is in Information Technology and CCIE and the other is a dentist, both refugees who fled after the communists murdered their parents who were academics.

  207. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2014 10:28 am

    “Fucking Typical”

    So what ?

    It sounds like the joint was advertised as secure but it was not. Plus its all been determined independently.

    And

    The landlady…………..”offered to make some ­repairs to the property”

    Sounds like a few other repairs might have been left out

    Oh…………….I understand……………………..its a long time since the events of last September.

    Trying your best to keep the anger boiling ????????????????

    LOL

  208. Walrus permalink
    June 16, 2014 10:30 am

    “That’s not true, he wants all Australians to get a fair and decent wage””

    Saw an interesting interview with the incoming Family First senator from SA last night.

    He wants NO minimum wage for young adults

  209. Meta permalink
    June 16, 2014 10:53 am

    (Yes, it almost seems like only yesterday that a smarter, more nimble, more networked Border Force was both excising the entirety of Australia from the migration zone and limbering up to exercising its clout as an affordable energy superpower once again.)

  210. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 10:58 am

    ‘…limbering up to exercising its clout as an affordable energy superpower once again.)’

    Needs fleshing out.

  211. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 11:03 am

    ‘He wants NO minimum wage for young adults’

    ‘SOUTH Australia would be declared a special economic zone with job-creating tax incentives, under a proposal by incoming Family First Senator Bob Day to kickstart the state’s economy.

    ‘Mr Day, who will take up a key balance-of-power position on the Senate crossbench next month, also wants South Australia to declare itself a “right to work state’’ where unemployed people can choose to take jobs which pay below the official minimum wage.

    ‘He warned that SA could be at risk of falling behind Tasmania to become Australia’s economic wooden spoon holders.’

    Hate Media (I think)

  212. Rent Seeker permalink
    June 16, 2014 11:11 am

    “Fucking Typical”

    We are all equal under VCAT.

  213. June 16, 2014 11:28 am

    No Wally it sounds like Princess went out and did her own thing, then daddy had to bail her out.. This shit should not even get to the papers. A smart person would have just paid the 3 grand, nondisclosure and moved on without the static. The PM’s daughter cannot just live anywhere, I accept that.. Its just a great example of how fucking shambolic this medicine show is… Anaturish..

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 11:29 am

    We are all equal under VCAT.

    Just that some are more equal than others … if you break a contract … 18 is still the legal age to sign a contract, isn’t it?

  215. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 16, 2014 11:58 am

    “and the other is a dentist, both refugees who fled after the communists murdered their parents who were academics.”

    Typical leftoid sidestep.

    Russia is a military superpower with nuclear weapons, more oil than the Arabs more land than anyone else and more of most things than anyone else.

    I am quite upset at what is going on because i have many friends who spent 8 years getting a PhD so they can do medical research and then find the jobs being taken by the Eastern Europeans through weight of numbers.

    I can see why Unions exist. Management would screw us into the ground if they could. And it may surprise some people i am a Union member. I pay 1% of my salary to be a Union member.

  216. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 1:09 pm

    Well neil, you’d better stop supporting the libs and their big business masters, they are the ones who love big immigration as it works for business to downgrade wages and conditions here. The big scam that you have fallen for is that they demonise a few paltry, miserable, asylum seekers to distract from their huge immigration program in the name of business profits [look over there!]
    They don’t care that we don’t have the infrastructure to support all these people they bring in either.
    And they don’t even believe in science!
    It’s all your fault!

  217. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 1:10 pm

    Hockey plays down fall in welfare dependence:
    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/06/16/hockey-plays-down-fall-welfare-dependence

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 1:32 pm

    ‘He wants NO minimum wage for young adults’

    He’s big in the IPA & HR nicholls, I don’t know if he’s religious or just using the family first party as a vehicle into parliament after getting the shits when the libs chose jamie briggs over him. He was a member of the libs for 20 odd yrs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Day

    …In 2002, as secretary of H.R. Nicholls, he blamed the award system for high unemployment and the social ills of drugs, crime, violence, poor health, teenage pregnancy and suicide. In a March 2005 financial forum speech, he likened workplace regulations and protections to “Checkpoint Charlie” as he advocated his idea of workplace nirvana, called “Workforce Superhighway”. Employment conditions would be determined solely between employers and employees and “no one else”. “Hours of work, rates of pay, holidays, sick leave, long-service leave, hiring and firing, will all be agreed between the two parties”. There would be no industrial relations commission and workers could settle disputes through either voluntary mediators or magistrates courts.

  219. June 16, 2014 2:56 pm

    Typical leftoid sidestep.

    What or who is a leftoid?
    I hope squeal ain’t calling me a leftoid…

    It’s hard keeping up with the bloke.. he’s all over the shop.. now he’s defending unions… throws hands up in the air and just gives up exhaling “whatever”

  220. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 3:14 pm

    ‘I hope squeal ain’t calling me a leftoid…’

    Don’t take offence, its only a generality.

    While you’re there Ricky, my latest comment in the back room requires an electrical engineer to unscramble. It could be the meaning of everything, but its technical.

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 3:20 pm

    Last week, the treasurer said the average taxpayer had to work for a month to pay for the welfare of a fellow Australian

    Can that actually be proven?

    Love the irony – “a fellow” Australian …

    =========================================

    KL re Bob Day … no reference to catliks but the Family First entry on wiki seems to suggest a far right protestant leaning …

    Religious affiliation[edit]

    Family First co-founder Pastor Andrew Evans was the General Superintendent of the Assemblies of God in Australia for twenty years.[75] In the 2002 South Australian election and the 2004 Federal Election, a number of Family First candidates were church members. In New South Wales, 11 of their 23 candidates for the 2004 federal election were from an Assemblies of God church, the Hawkesbury Church in Windsor[76]

    South Australian Family First Member of the Legislative Council Dennis Hood, the party’s state parliamentary leader, is a member of the Rostrevor Baptist Church. When Sunday Mail columnist Peter Goers stated that Hood was an anti-evolution Creationist,[77] Hood did not deny this in his response, while he did attempt to set the record straight on issues of policy.[78]

    Family First’s preferencing agreement with the Coalition in the 2004 federal election led Barnaby Joyce, the National senate candidate for Queensland, to publicly slam the party the day before the election, calling them “the lunatic Right”, and stating that “these are not the sort of people you do preference deals with”.[79] Joyce’s comments came in response to a pamphlet published by one of the party’s Victorian Senate candidates, Danny Nalliah who in his capacity as a church pastor had criticised other religions and homosexuality.

    In September 2004, party leader Andrea Mason said that Family First is not a Christian party[80] and Family First Federal Secretary Dr Matt Burnet issued a press release stating:

    “The party is not a church party or an Assembly of God party, nor is it funded by AOG churches. It does see itself as socially conservative, with Family Values based on Christian ethics. Like any main-stream party we do not have on record the religious affiliations of any of our members. The Board of Reference in South Australia includes business-people, members of the medical profession, as well as ministers and people from Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Uniting and other church groups. The rapid national growth of the party leading into this election and the late decision to contest in all seats possible, has meant that in some states there are candidates, with strong family values, who have been introduced to the party through the personal relationships they have from their involvement in community/church networks”.

    A 60 minute documentary was made for the ABC-TV Compass program in 2005 and called “Family First – A Federal Crusade”. It was produced by Dr Bruce Redman from The University of Queensland.

    By August 2010, the party maintained its non-denominational stance and affirmed its affinity towards Christianity in stating “Family First in 2010 is independent of any church or denomination…like so many other Australian institutions, at Family First our Christian heritage is something we are both proud of and grateful for.”[81]

    They are also opposed to same sex marriages etc …

    So much for a “secular society” … its like letting the animals run the zoo …

  222. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 16, 2014 3:26 pm

    “he’s all over the shop.. now he’s defending unions”

    Unions are necessary. I am a member of the NTEU. I must admit i do not like it when they send me refugee stuff and other things nothing to do with workers rights.

    But i do support the Coalition. The ALP always trashes the budget. Without fail.

    Except in NSW for some reason.

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 3:39 pm

    thanks for that FF history TB

    …Like any main-stream party we do not have on record the religious affiliations of any of our members…

    Which is the HUGE problem in australian politics IMO, and the reason that parliament is completely out of step with the people. There is an over representation of the religious in our parliament and they put their dogma and faith before their representation of the people.

    They should have to declare religious, business, philosophical and lobbying interests as well as financial ones, so that we can have an informed vote instead of a guess.

  224. Uni Tunes permalink
    June 16, 2014 3:43 pm

    “I am a member of the NTEU.”

    Neil’s a perfesser.

  225. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 3:55 pm

    Or a uni employee desperate to get into his field of expertise.

  226. June 16, 2014 6:30 pm

    While you’re there Ricky, my latest comment in the back room requires an electrical engineer to unscramble. It could be the meaning of everything, but its technical.

    My lecky engininin days are over, unless it’s rewiring guitars for friends (my speciality).
    I’m a video editor this week for a corporate drug dealer till thursday night , then I put on the new big white Cowboy hat delivered in the post from texas this morning and light up the Bluegrass band Yee ha!! 🙂

    I can put my new hat on the fact that Sqweel ain’t an economics lecturer and I guarantee that Uni life aint that secure anymore in a Pynoclean deregulated market. 🙂

  227. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 6:48 pm

    Which is the HUGE problem in australian politics IMO

    And quite untrue … other pollies religions are listed … at least on Wiki …

    “I am a member of the NTEU.

    ”Neil’s a perfesser.

    What a fucking frightening thought …

    They should have to declare religious, business, philosophical and lobbying interests as well as financial ones, so that we can have an informed vote instead of a guess.

    Absolutely agree … I remember my schooldays and I became agnostic before I reached double digits in age … but all my family were “believers” – g/parents, aunts/uncles not pleasant sometimes … and I get the feeling its heading back!

    I see Jim Soorley, (I suspect you know of Soorley) is advocating taxing churches …

    … the argument against is that the government would have to pick up the slack in charity work …

    … my counter-argument would be that churches who actually do charity work (many don’t) and can “prove” any expenses can put in a claim with their tax return …

    … do they pay rates and land tax I wonder?

  228. June 16, 2014 10:10 pm

    We got McDonald and Korgi B Nasti committing munity over bounty …against the manifesto of social engineerin… masquerad’in as a budget

    Here comes Wabbit all pumped up after his diplomatic disaster using language like, “its an important social and economic reform” ..notice the word “social” (economics? think not)

    and

    “terrorist hub ” terrorist state” terror terror terror… The mad monk cant wait to take us into war.. then its all I told you so…(even a complete Moron like Bush (somefin Abbott has in common with Bush) gains ground when they have guns blazin and terrorist commo, muslins to eradicate in the name of God and freedom 🙂

    Then they can jump on boats and flee and Tone can stop em and look like God or George Pell….

  229. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 10:25 pm

    … the argument against is that the government would have to pick up the slack in charity work …

    I would much rather people in need not to have to beg to charities for social assistance it should be a public service, with no strings attached.

  230. June 17, 2014 8:50 am

    Hows the Mandate Mantra going?

    Newspoll has Labor at 53 and the LNP at 47. Morgan has Labor at 55.5 And the LNP at 45.5. According to Newspoll 61% are dissatisfied with the way the PM is doing his job

    Also interesting from Morgan who also conducted a phone poll of 637 respondents from Tuesday to Thursday last week which showed an effective disappearance for the net majority in support of repeal of the carbon tax, for which support was down two points since the previous such poll in February to 47%, and opposition up five to 46%.

    The poll also found 88% believing Australia should reduce carbon dioxide emissions versus only 10% opposed, while a question on global warming had 29% nominating that concerns were exaggerated.

  231. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 19, 2014 9:29 am

    In yet another epic foreign policy failure the Abbott government has managed to piss off a group of Australia’s trade partners. To describe disputed territories as “disputed territories” is obviously insanely biased.

    Australia’s shameful infatuation with Western values makes it a very hostile place for Muslims. There are number of measures Australia could adopt to improve its image with OIC and Arab League countries.

    • Female equality – females should have the same right as males to be circumcised.
    • The age at which women have the right to be married should be lowered to six so that Muslims are able to emulate this most virtuous of men. The restrictions on the age of marriage are a calculated insult to the Prophet (peace be upon him).
    • Although the welfare laws work fairly well to help men keep multiple households for their wives, the laws restricting men to one wife are an affront to pious Muslims everywhere.
    • Labelling laws need to be properly enforced so that Matza packaging lists all the ingredients including the blood of Muslim children.
    • In fact Jews should also be labelled with a yellow patch. How can it be that an unsuspecting Muslim could sit next to a Jew on public transport or, even more horrifically, unknowingly swim in a public pool which has been used by Jews?
    • It is essential that the Australia government reinforce the good work of the BDS movement and enforce its health regulations by closing down Jewish chocolate shops which are by definition unclean.

    It is high time Australia showed some respect to Muslim countries.

  232. egg permalink
    June 19, 2014 9:46 am

    ‘The poll also found 88% believing Australia should reduce carbon dioxide emissions versus only 10% opposed, while a question on global warming had 29% nominating that concerns were exaggerated.’

    Propaganda works, to a degree.

  233. egg permalink
    June 19, 2014 9:53 am

    Very dry splatter.

  234. June 19, 2014 10:26 am

    “Propaganda works”

    Meanwhile, in the real world…

    May 2014 was world’s hottest May in recorded history….

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/may-2014-was-worlds-hottest-may-in-recorded-history-20140619-zse27.html#ixzz352ZKjkR8

  235. egg permalink
    June 19, 2014 10:39 am

    One month is not a trend, 17 years is a trend.

  236. June 19, 2014 11:03 am

    A trend is not a world record. A world record is a world record…

    Although, I understand that you have comprehension challenges when it comes to categorical facts.

  237. egg permalink
    June 19, 2014 11:26 am

    A month is weather, a 17 year trend is climate.

  238. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2014 12:19 pm

    The Abbott government remains committed to the national school chaplains program, despite a High Court ruling in favour of a Queensland father who challenged federal funding for the scheme.
    Prime Minister Tony Abbott said the government was considering the High Court verdict, but continued to back the program, which was established by the Howard government and continued under the Labor Rudd/Gillard governments

    It really is beyond me that taxpayers fund school chaplains by the thousand.

    Fine, fund some social workers, or get the student equivalent of an employee assistance program, but there is no need to have these religious types on the public teat.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/father-wins-high-court-challenge-on-federal-funding-of-schools-chaplains-program-20140619-3af5y.html#ixzz3530Hxstz

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2014 12:36 pm

    Just heard the story on the radio, ToM …

    Once again, Abbott and his Acolytes … do NOT represent the secular majority of Australia … Rupert will be furious …

  240. egg permalink
    June 19, 2014 12:36 pm

    ‘Although, I understand that you have comprehension challenges when it comes to categorical facts.’

    When we debate climate change its best to take in the big picture. See if you can spot the hiatus.

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    June 19, 2014 12:40 pm

    Ahead of the result Coalition MP Andrew Laming, who helped start the program, slammed the action as “frivolous”.

    “I look directly in the eyes of the loose alliance of Greens, gays and atheists who have mounted this continuous campaign against chaplaincy: you are clearly out of touch,” he told reporters this morning.

    “We’ll legislate regardless of the decision today to ensure that important programs like chaplaincy can occur.”

    Jesus fk Christ!

  242. June 19, 2014 9:30 pm

    ”””””””””””’In April, monthly concentrations of carbon dioxide reached 400 parts per million for the first time in at least 800,000 years.

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/may-2014-was-worlds-hottest-may-in-recorded-history-20140619-zse27.html#ixzz352ZKjkR8
    ””””””””””””””””’

    #that was interesting, l wonder if `parts-per-million` pollution will also cause `lung`problems or other health problems

  243. See O Too permalink
    June 20, 2014 3:08 am

    “#that was interesting, l wonder if `parts-per-million` pollution will also cause `lung`problems or other health problems”

    Not at 400ppm, no:

    “Carbon Dioxide – Physiological Effects

    Volume Carbon Dioxide in Air Likely Effects

    1 – 1.5 % [10,000 – 15.000ppm] Slight effect on chemical metabolism after exposures of several hours

    3 % [30,000ppm] The gas is weakly narcotic at this level, giving rise to deeper breathing, reduced hearing ability, coupled with headache, an increase in blood pressure and pulse rate.

    4 – 5 % [40,000 – 50,000ppm] Stimulation of the respiratory centre occurs resulting in deeper and more rapid breathing. Signs of intoxication will become more evident after 30 minutes exposure.

    5 – 10 % [50.000 – 100,000ppm] Breathing becomes more laborious with headache and loss of judgement.

    10 – 100 % [100,000 – 1.000,000ppm] When the carbon dioxide concentration increases above 10%, unconsciousness will occur in under one minute and unless prompt action is taken, further exposure to these high levels will eventually result in death.”

    https://www.eiga.eu/fileadmin/docs_pubs/Info_24_11_Carbon_Dioxide_Physiological_Hazards_Not_just_an_asphyxiant.pdf

  244. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 7:25 am

    From that SMH link…

    ‘Besides shifting weather patterns worldwide, that extra El Nino-fueled ocean warmth is supercharging the Earth’s temperature, which could help make 2014 the warmest year since human records have been kept, and probably for much longer.’

    All scientists agree that ENSO has nothing to do with AGW and this El Nino appears to be weakening, so I predict 2014 won’t be the warmest year since records began. That title goes to 1998, which was clearly a tipping point year.

  245. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 9:04 am

    ‘CHRISTINE Milne has been reading far too much into the most recent Newspoll. As she challenged Tony Abbott to “bring it on” when referring to a double dissolution I could not help but think this was dangerously false bravado. When Tanya Plibersek filled the screen and delivered a similar threat, I got really concerned.

    ‘Newspoll captures the mood of the nation at a given point in time. Last weekend the government would have lost an election by a considerable margin, and that is all well and good up to a point — there was no election. Moreover, elections are held only after a minimum five-week campaign where Labor and the Greens will be massively outspent by the Liberal and Nationals parties, let alone the Clive Palmer spectre now lurking in the foreground of Australian politics.’

    Richo / Oz

  246. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2014 9:19 am

    And yet tabot STILL backed away from his threatening bravado of calling a DD if he didn’t get his way

    What a gutless little bully boy.

  247. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 10:03 am

    The electorate is happy that Abbott is waiting for the new senate, in the hope that he won’t have to ‘bring it on’, but make no mistake the guvmint will go to the people if the senate frustrates.

  248. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 20, 2014 11:41 am

    but make no mistake the guvmint will go to the people if the senate frustrates.

    good, bring it on asap!

    Richo / Oz

    richo’s not really making much sense there, he seems to be fearful of clive’s influence on ‘the political establishment/duopoly. Fearful of letting the voters have their say.

  249. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2014 1:12 pm

    Hope they call the DD soon. How much more destroying can our economy take? One this is certain, they are creating a budget emergency, due to a lack of an actual one

    To put it into perspective, market analysts have estimated a $5 billion budget drain. Citi said the sentiment effects of the budget should ”disappear quickly”, but it estimates that from July 1 the typical household is $602 worse off a year. ”The ‘stimulus’ from the government or Reserve Bank has disappeared and retailers will need to rely on wages growth or lower savings (higher house prices) to boost retail sales,” the report said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/storm-clouds-gather-over-retailers-20140619-3ah05.html#ixzz3592X0IN6

  250. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2014 1:29 pm

    How much more destroying can our economy take?

    We got rid of the economy destroyers last year. We have one of the fastest rates of growth in debt in the Western World thanks to Labor.

    And as if facts are relevant. Tell me did you vote for Keating when he won the election in 1993 with unemployment raging at 11%??

  251. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2014 2:02 pm

    Of course I did, I’m a rusted on. And, Keating had real class, far more than the weasel that beat him.Did you vote for tabot when he took $600/year of people after promising to give them $500/year? 🙂

  252. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 2:04 pm

    ‘The weather is also at play in the retail funk. Fairfax Media property editor Carolyn Cummins wrote a prescient article on May 26 flagging problems in the retail sector due to the weather. She wrote that retailers, including shopping centre landlords, were holding crisis talks on how to deal with unseasonably warm weather.’

  253. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2014 2:11 pm

    article on May 26

    Sorry, winter has hit hard since then. That excuse is out the window. Try and make up another one. Anything but liberal incompetence hey 😉

  254. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2014 2:31 pm

    “And, Keating had real class,

    Yeah, 30 months of double digit unemployment, losing our AAA rating and govt debt going from 5% of GDP to 18% of GDP were the achievements of the Hawke/Keating govt.

    Now that is classy. Facts are irrelevant so stop presenting them. You will never vote for Abbott even if he solved cancer. I don’t have the same problem as you. You continually vote for failed policies no matter how bad they are.

    The Party i support have policies that work. Debt, deficit and unemployment will always follow the ALP.

    And since you also support AGW i know that idea also is wrong.

  255. WD40 permalink
    June 20, 2014 2:42 pm

    “Of course I did, I’m a rusted on.”

    I can tell. 😉

  256. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 20, 2014 2:54 pm

    “The Party I support have policies that work.”

    This is the question. There is little evidence of it working so far. The budget was completely incoherent. I certainly want to see econmic improvement, but I don’t understand how this government is going to do it.

    And you shouldn’t be so hard on Keating. He said this of the leader of the ALP opposition in NSW (although it could be equally applicable to “Two Knives” Shorten):

    Let me tell you, if the Labor Party’s stocks ever get so low as to require your services in its Parliamentary leadership, it will itself, have no future. Not a skerrick of principle or restraint have you shown. You have behaved with reckless indifference to the longevity of the current Government and to the reasonable prospects of its re-election.

    It may be a novel concept for you, let me say that conscientious business of governance can never be founded in a soul so blackened by opportunism.

  257. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2014 3:10 pm

    “And you shouldn’t be so hard on Keating.

    I got my first property under Keating. Interest rates then hit 18%, then i lost my job.

    Who knows how much govt policy influences the economy but i base my comments on past history.

    Let us go back to say 1980. Has there every been a Labor govt either State or Federal since 1980 that has ever paid off any debt?? Has unemployment ever gone down??

  258. armchair opionator permalink
    June 20, 2014 3:24 pm

    No neil
    How about living in the present?
    You gotta keep up with what is happening today!

  259. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 20, 2014 3:39 pm

    Nothing has changed – every Labor government leaves behind more public debt than when they arrived. Thus Rudd advertised himself as an economic before the election, wrote an article about what a good socialist he was after the election and pissed money against the wall at an unprecedented rate. He then claimed credit for saving us from the GFC when in fact the economy was on the mend before the money was spent. Chinese demand saved us from the GFC.

    Leftists have not a clue about where the money that they so wantonly waste comes from. Even more alarming is the recent trend to pretend that it doesn’t matter, that we don’t have enough debt. But that’s leftism for you – 50 shades of stupid.

  260. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 20, 2014 3:40 pm

    …. economic conservative …..

  261. armchair opionator permalink
    June 20, 2014 4:29 pm

    GFC was 2007 – 2011 sb, what are you on about? It covered the entire time of rudd’s first term!

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 4:29 pm

    … richo’s not really making much sense there …

    Richo, hasn’t made much sense for about two decades … KL …

    ==========================================

    How much more destroying can our economy take?

    It’s not just the economy either, TR, laws protecting ordinary people are being trashed, our international reputation is crumbling and any semblance of government communicating with the electorate is becoming a wisp of whispers …

    ==========================================

    The Party i support have policies that work

    Name me three …

    ==========================================

    He then claimed credit for saving us from the GFC when in fact the economy was on the mend before the money was spent. Chinese demand saved us from the GFC.

    Good Lord, you must be the only economist in the country – and many internationally more who believe that …

    I love a sweeping statement, from tories tried and true …
    Of raging words of anger, from minds of shaded blue 🙂

  263. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 4:33 pm

    ‘Sorry, winter has hit hard since then.’

    Too late for the rag trade.

  264. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 4:37 pm

    many more internationally

  265. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 4:37 pm

    Too late for the rag trade.

    Oh, FFS …

  266. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 4:38 pm

    ‘You gotta keep up with what is happening today!’

    Even better to see what is coming tomorrow.

  267. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 4:39 pm

    ‘Oh, FFS …’

    Winter stock has been sitting on the racks since Easter, let the sales begin.

  268. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2014 4:58 pm

    I can tell.

    You need to apply your WD40 with far less bias then tosy, it aint doing the trick 😉

    let the sales begin.

    They’ve been having sales since the budget was announced. Sales aren’t going to put that $600 back into peoples pockets.

  269. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2014 5:02 pm

    Sandwich Protection Detail?

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 5:37 pm

    First look at Pyne’s New Personal Legion of bodyguards

    Oh Gawd, TR, Have you met the Blogmeister? Or just had a lapse of memory?

    We won’t see him for the rest of the night now …

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 5:39 pm

    They’ve been having sales since the budget was announced.

    Ta, TR , FFS that’s what I meant … I keep forgetting that everything has to be spelled out …

  272. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2014 5:44 pm

    I keep forgetting that everything has to be spelled out …

    I.t d.o.e.s n.o.t

  273. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 5:45 pm

    Consumer sentiment is depressed because of this draconian budget.

  274. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2014 5:48 pm

    We won’t see him for the rest of the night now …

    I have a cunning plan 😉

  275. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 20, 2014 5:50 pm

    “GFC was 2007 – 2011 sb, what are you on about? It covered the entire time of rudd’s first term!”

    What are you on about? The GFC did not have a major impact on Australia at all. The closest it came was the December 2008 and March 2009 quarters which amounted to, at worst, a mild recession. The economy picked up after that, before any substantial amount of Rudd’s wasteful expenditure had occurred.

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 5:53 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/serious-concerns-raised-about-national-school-chaplaincy-program-as-government-reaffirms-commitment-to-initiative/story-fncynjr2-1226961285904

    The case has raised serious concerns among the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTI) community, with allegations that chaplains’ religious beliefs make them illsuited to support young people struggling with their sexuality.

    And then of course you have the issue of all those children from other religions and atheist and agnostic backgrounds …

    Christian chaplains are not the answer to child counselling in PUBLIC schools … the concept is fine but the insidious application is flawed …

    If the concept from the Abbott government does not have a hidden agenda (every policy seems to have one) then it should have no problem in appointing Advanced Diploma (or Associate Degree) competency based trained and/or university graduates to carry out the role …

    And 15 days training to counsel children is NOT enough! (Apprentices train for three years to fix motor cars or your toilet!)

    CERTIFICATE IV in PASTORAL CARE

    This is a fully accredited course. It involves 5 x 3 day Intensives usually spaced 8 – 10 weeks apart. We are very keen to hear from churches who would be willing to host a course – minimum number of students required is 12.

    http://www.chaplaincyaustralia.com/pages/training

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 5:55 pm

    The GFC did not have a major impact on Australia at all.

    oH dear … I call it Kneel’s Syndrome …

  278. June 20, 2014 6:14 pm

    Yeah, just ask NZ about the GFC being a “Northern Hemisphere” event…..

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 6:16 pm

    I have a cunning plan …

    Now you are beginning to worry me! Never, ever use words with “cun” in them that’s an attractant for, sreb … and a couple of others here …

  280. June 20, 2014 6:18 pm

    This is true. You really ought to say “I have a grubby plan”…

  281. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2014 7:05 pm

    “How about living in the present?
    You gotta keep up with what is happening today!

    But you have to learn from the past. And the thing i have found is that people are stupid. It does not matter how many times the ALP gets us into dangerous debt, people still keep voting for them.

  282. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 7:30 pm

    The economy picked up after that, before any substantial amount of Rudd’s wasteful expenditure had occurred.

    Definitely needs proof of that!

    In fact the GFC only tapered off as the Abbot Acolytes took the reins … and the horses bolted!

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 7:31 pm

    And the thing i have found is that people are stupid.

    How true, Kneel …

  284. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 8:12 pm

    ‘But you have to learn from the past.’

    I think so, but when emotions are involved its difficult.

  285. Tom R permalink
    June 20, 2014 8:19 pm

    but when emotions are involved its difficult.

    And when Blind Ignorance is involved, it’s fucken impossible

  286. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 20, 2014 8:25 pm

    “I think so, but when emotions are involved its difficult

    Politics is very much like religion. You ether believe or you don’t. Facts don’t matter.

    What Wayne Swan did to the budget is what always happens with the ALP in power. The GFC just speed up our decent into ALP caused dangerous debt.

  287. Rusty permalink
    June 20, 2014 8:35 pm

    “Politics is very much like religion.”

    Amen to that.

  288. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 8:35 pm

    ‘And when Blind Ignorance is involved’

    Observations support my contention, you have only faith and ultimately the high priests will be discredited.

  289. In_the_sticks permalink
    June 20, 2014 8:41 pm

    ‘Politics is very much like religion. You ether believe or you don’t. Facts don’t matter’

    That has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever read. What is wrong with you ??

  290. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 8:43 pm

    Go easy on Neil, he only recently discovered cheap red.

  291. Naycha Fyve permalink
    June 20, 2014 8:55 pm

    “That has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.”

    I’ve read worse.

  292. In_the_sticks permalink
    June 20, 2014 9:01 pm

    Given the blogs that you read ToSY, I’d believe it too. Might be a sign that you need to lift your standards a bit…

  293. Smelly Sox permalink
    June 20, 2014 9:03 pm

    Nailed it again. Winning!

  294. June 20, 2014 9:04 pm

    I’ve been editing for the past three days and had a gig.. So been flat out…I was so pissing myself at squeals comments on the Kouk.. I sent them to Kouk personally. He’s busy but I cant wait for his reply…

    but wait…

    “Politics is very much like religion.” fucking takes the cake.. Get a school chaplain up ya…

    hand on what?
    And as if facts are relevant. You ether believe or you don’t. Facts don’t matter.

    No Stop it..No What?

    And the thing i have found is that people are stupid.

    Wow… Just ….. Wow 🙄

    But wait.. the complimentary consolation steak knives go to….

    GFC didn’t really touch here is pretty good too,

    I know a few super funds and “ordinary Australians” who were encouraged to buy shares by the worlds laziest treasurer that may have a slightly differing opinion now they are begging on the pension instead of self funded millionaires.

    Oh how we laughed 🙂

  295. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2014 9:23 pm

    There was a little slowing of growth here during the GFC, but Swan forecast 10.5% unemployment and it reached a little over 6%.

    Exports to China continued unabated, its growth remained at about 7%+

    It was hardly the crisis here that Europe and USA experienced.

    The danger for Australia is that China is likely to seriously slow, and we’ve shot much of our financial reserves (a fair bit on installing roofing insulation, then removing it)

  296. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 9:35 pm

    ‘The danger for Australia is that China is likely to seriously slow’

    Only a softening, then full steam ahead, with America continuing their easing it should work out pretty well.

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    June 20, 2014 9:45 pm

    There was a little slowing of growth here during the GFC, but Swan forecast 10.5% unemployment and it reached a little over 6%.

    You’re as iggorant as Wally … it was probability based upon the only similar incident – The Great Depression – without a government spend … heard of the multiplier effect? …

    What are your quals again?

    It was hardly the crisis here that Europe and USA experienced.

    No-one said it was … hindsight is a wonderful tool … for tools …

    The danger for Australia is that China is likely to seriously slow, and we’ve shot much of our financial reserves

    So, are you predicting a China slowdown or are you going to wait till its past and then tell us you knew anyway?

    And yes, the Rudd/Gillard made mistakes … but they were in a place no Australian government in our lifetime had experienced … and were praised by experts around the world …

    I’m not a fan of any modern pollies … but don’t alter the facts to suit your politics …

    Unemployment has risen, business confidence has slumped, productivity has dropped, profits are down, the economy is sliding… all in six months …

    We have some more fuckwits in charge now … they don’t seem to be any smarter to me …

  298. In_the_sticks permalink
    June 20, 2014 9:52 pm

    Well said TB – it’s amazing how clever some people are after the event….

  299. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2014 10:09 pm

    Before the event TB suggested unemployment would reach 12%.

    Before the event I said there would be a slowdown, but that the strength of our trade with China would spare us the worst.

    It is quite obvious who was right, and despite his protestations, my forecasting has been far more accurate than TB’s!

  300. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 20, 2014 10:19 pm

    …and just while we’re talking about embarrassing history, I think TB also tipped that housing pries would collapse. Since then they’ve probably increased by 40%.

    They may still fall, and I hope there is plenty of moderation. But the severe contraction tipped for Australia, just didn’t happen.
    ——–
    Swan forecast 10.5% unemployment, he said the stimulus would take 2% off it. If Swan has some sense, he would have realised that the resilience of our economy and the strength of the trade with China would prevent the seriousness of the downturn.

  301. June 21, 2014 2:00 am

    Tony loves secrets… he’s been secretly deregulating … he’s a financial wiz 🙄
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/20/abbott-in-secret-trade-negotiations-to-deregulate-banking-and-finance

  302. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2014 7:27 am

    But the severe contraction tipped for Australia, just didn’t happen.

    Yep. thanks Swanee 😉

  303. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2014 7:30 am

    he would have realised that the resilience of our economy and the strength of the trade with China would prevent the seriousness of the downturn.

    Even with China AND the stimulus AND every other factor taken into consideration, we still only just missed out on a recession. Imagine if Labor full policy wasn’t implemented or, even worst, we went with the libs lame duck one. Recession we would have had (we still might now thanks joe)

    THE fact that Australia has managed to avoid a “technical” recession by not having had two consecutive quarters of negative gross domestic product growth is very much an artefact of the data sets we use.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/read-the-data-it-was-a-recession/story-e6frg6zo-1225772446559

    Of course, to the oz, it’s all about not trusting the data used by everyone else, and mangling it to suit themselves.

  304. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2014 9:02 am

    Before the event TB suggested unemployment would reach 12%.

    IF NOTHING WAS DONE TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY >>> I suggested that it could reach that figure … in fact it did in the EU and the USA was just under 10% …

    … my reasoning and JMc was based on the Great Depression that saw governments withdrawing capital from economies … around the world …

    http://www.gfmag.com/global-data/economic-data/worlds-unemployment-ratescom

    My comments in 2007/08 were based upon the Great Depression which is what JMc (John McPhilbin) and I predicted we were heading for …

    And if we had not had the surplus to spend we would have gone the way the USofA and EU did …

    You keep on taking my comments prior to the GFC out of context … knowing full well what was said by John and me.

    Because of the economic downturn, people’s lives changed drastically. Australia had supplied huge amounts of wool for uniforms during World War 1, and many exports helped Australia achieve a high standard of living in the 1920s. The majority of the people of Australia lived very well prior to the fall, so they felt the effects of the depression strongly. Because of the severe economic contraction, the reduction of purchasing goods, employers couldn’t afford to keep excessive workers. A five-year unemployment average for 1930-34 was 23.4%, with a peak of approximately 30% of the nation being unemployed in 1932. This was one of the most severe unemployment rates in the industrialised world, exceeded only by Germany.[21]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression_in_Australia

  305. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2014 9:25 am

    IF NOTHING WAS DONE TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY

    yomm likes to live his history through his own special brand of rose tinted glasses TB. I’m sure you’re well aware of that by now 😉

  306. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2014 10:20 am

    TB & TR, I’m going to continue to correct any assertion that I was “wise after the event” about the GFC

    Here’s the context –

    At that time I was working on a business expansion/divestment/listing project. Part of it was identifying whether the resources expansion would continue. Some very clever business analysts and economists were also involved. They identified that the development that China was committed to would continue, they came to the conclusion that this would support the resources expansion and would underpin the stability of the Australian economy.

    Their analysis was very accurate and assisted a successful investment/expansion.

    My comments reflected this intelligent analysis, I simply didn’t attribute it to a specific project or group. I wasn’t simply guessing or placing a bet. The comments I made about 6 years ago reflected actual, informed economic analysis.

    So I won’t be just accepting assertions that I’m wise after the event!

  307. egg permalink
    June 21, 2014 10:28 am

    I predict that in six years most of our films will be coming out of the Middle Kingdom.

    http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/culture/2014-06/20/content_17605776.htm

  308. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2014 10:36 am

    So I won’t be just accepting assertions that I’m wise after the event!

    I’m pretty sure I haven’t accused you of being wise under any circumstances actually yomm. 😉

    What I did accuse you of was ignoring just how closely we came to recession, that, without the additional stimulus, would have definitely caused us to have a recession. And nothing from China would have saved us from that.

    The main prop for the economy in the first quarter was the government’s national school’s spending program, which added 0.9 percentage points to GDP. Consumer demand held up, despite the impact of aggressive interest rate hikes by the Reserve Bank of Australia.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/markets/mining-sector-investment-to-speed-up-recovery-from-slowdown/story-e6frg926-1225874550046

  309. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2014 10:46 am

    Fine, but does anyone actually think there is a practical difference between the following quarterly economic growth figures-

    -0.1%, -0.1%, +0.2%…or
    -0.1%, +0.2%, -0.1%

    One series provides a recession, the other avoids a recession. The actual economic outcome is exactly the same.

    That’s about where we were.
    —–
    …and I’ll continue to point out that the guys I was working with have a better record in economic forecasting than TB, or treasury…and in particular they’re a couple of miles in front of Swan!

  310. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2014 11:03 am

    That’s about where we were.

    So, pretty bloody close to recession. Without the stimulus, it would have been

    The actual economic outcome is exactly the same.

    Does the term “reprieve” mean anything to you yomm?

    I would say because of the thousands of jobs saved because of this “reprieve” many would argue that the actual economic outcome is not exactly the same.

    Just Sayin’ 😉

  311. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2014 12:49 pm

    An ugly graph of destruction

  312. egg permalink
    June 21, 2014 1:08 pm

    Also, anecdotal evidence on the ground strongly suggests that the budget has suppressed consumer confidence.

  313. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2014 1:35 pm

    >i>…So I won’t be just accepting assertions that I’m wise after the event!…
    …I’m pretty sure I haven’t accused you of being wise under any circumstances actually yomm…

    😆

    The GFC did not have a major impact on Australia at all…

    🙄 what is wrong with you people? I know you prefer to pretend [like the coalition] that there was no GFC because then you can continue with your “labor is hopeless” mantra, but is was precisely because of our monetary policy that we weren’t majorly impacted. I know that conservatives are big on ‘making their own reality’ but sometimes the facts just don’t fit.
    If we had the cons in at the time of the GFC they would have gone all austerity on us [as they are doing now] and purses would have clamped shut [as they are doing now, in sheer fright since the abbott/hockey budget] we would have had a recession, so it is precisely the monetary policy during the GFC that allowed us not to be impacted.

    Thank goodness for keynesian economics.

  314. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2014 1:35 pm

    “An ugly graph of destruction”

    Pretty disgusting comment.

    Tom R is a man who hopes the economy trashes with Abbott in power. Tom R is incapable of giving any independent advise. Does not want to live in an Australia with the Coalition in power no matter what damage the ALP does to Australians.

    We are now paying $1B/year in interest on the debt the ALP produced. And $1B more/year housing asylum seekers the ALP locked up.

    All ALP policies produced was debt and open borders and totally failed policies.

  315. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2014 2:03 pm

    to neil with love

  316. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2014 2:07 pm

  317. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2014 2:20 pm

    The economy picked up after that, before any substantial amount of Rudd’s wasteful expenditure had occurred.

    Yes, the economy just magically picked up after that, not due to anything specific of course. 😉

    Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s $900 bonus cheque is in the post for more than 8 million Australians.
    ………..
    DJs is offering a bonus $20 David Jones gift card for every $200 worth of store gift cards purchased between Tuesday and Sunday March 15.

    The move follows last week’s cheekier proposition from retailer Kogan Technologies – which began offering a 37-inch high definition TV for $900 – billed as a “bargain” price.

    http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/pfmanagingmoney/spending/8125566/900-cash-bonus-who-gets-it#label

    Interesting juxtapostion to the retail trade right now too?

  318. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2014 2:23 pm

  319. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2014 2:25 pm

  320. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2014 2:26 pm

    I’m guessing the modelling didn’t look too good?

  321. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 21, 2014 2:29 pm

    Years ago, when I studied economics, the big debate was always between JK Galbraith and Milton Friedman.

    Galbraith was a great writer, interesting, amusing, and charismatic. Friedman seemed like a narrow minded, mean spirited nerd by comparison.

    In hindsight, I’m not sure those of us who saw ourselves as progressive should have dismissed Friedman.

    The problem with the practical application of Galbraith’s Keynesian policies is that it seems the time is never quite right for the austerity necessary to pay off the debt.

  322. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2014 2:34 pm

    “to neil with love”

    I have never seen you put a number of how many refugees we should take. There are 50 million of these people and another 1-2 billion economic immigrants.

    Should we take them all?? The USA is getting 35,000 illegal economic immigrants/month.

    My understanding is that the Greens want zero population growth in Australia.

  323. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2014 2:54 pm

    yes you have neil, you might like to peruse previous comments [quite a long time ago now but that’s how long you’ve been playing this silly game] instead of mindless chanting.
    But that would stop your PRATTling wouldn’t it?
    your understanding? is that an oxymoron?

    In hindsight, I’m not sure those of us who saw ourselves as progressive should have dismissed Friedman.

    I find it easy to dismiss friedman and everything he stood for.

  324. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2014 3:08 pm

    Anything you don’t want to see or acknowledge, you totally ignore neil.

    BTW, did you ever come up with that link I asked for, where you claimed the greens want the australian population to be culled?

  325. egg permalink
    June 21, 2014 3:18 pm

    Australia had none of the toxic securities which plagued other countries, but equities took a battering and made household feel poorer.

    http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/1301.0Chapter27092009–10

    With forward Chinese contracts still in place, Australia would have had a soft landing without stimulus.

    Batts, school halls and drinking sprees all helped to distract the masses from the perilous state of the world’s financial markets. History will judge if it was unnecessary hype or a genuine effort to manage something unique.

  326. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2014 3:24 pm

    The Origin Of ‘The World’s Dumbest Idea’: Milton Friedman
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2013/06/26/the-origin-of-the-worlds-dumbest-idea-milton-friedman/

  327. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2014 3:39 pm

    “I’m guessing the modelling didn’t look too good?”

    Do you really care.

    I seem to remember before the 2007 election the ALP did not submit their policies for modelling.

    The definition of an honest person Tom R is someone who can maintain the same opinions no matter who is in power.

    This is Keatings unemployment rate when in power

    Sept-Dec 1991- 10.1, 10.0, 10.2, 10.4
    Jan-Dec 1992- 10.3, 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 11.0, 11.0, 11.2
    Jan-Dec1993- 10.9, 11.0, 10.8, 10.7, 10.8, 11.0, 10.8, 11.0, 10.7, 10.9, 10.8, 10.6
    Jan-April 1994- 10.4, 10.3, 10.3, 10.1

    Years of DD unemployment. What would have you said Tom R if it was a Coalition in power with unemployment rates like that??

    Who did you vote for in 1993 Tom R when unemployment was at 11%?. And what would you have said if Howard was in power with unemployment rates like that??

  328. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2014 3:48 pm

    The definition of an honest person Tom R is someone who can maintain the same opinions no matter who is in power.

    I thought howard was a dick when he was in opposition, exactly the same as I felt towards him after it.

    I thought tabot was a dick when he was in oppostion, exactly the same as I felt towards him after it.

    And I have always preferred a party that looks after workers rather than bankers no matter who is in power.

    Meanwhile, if this budget and its aftermath results in recession, will your opinions change at all?

  329. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2014 3:54 pm

    “I thought howard was a dick when he was in opposition, exactly the same as I felt towards him after it.”

    Guess what that is my opinion of you.

    You do not care about workers. All you care about is that the ALP is in power even if unemployment is at 11% as it was in 1993.

  330. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2014 3:57 pm

    [14/3/2014]
    Australia isn’t out of woods, nor fully recovered, from the GFC. Some cautionary notes include:
    http://www.canstar.com.au/online-trading/australia-after-the-gfc/

    I seem to remember before the 2007 election the ALP did not submit their policies for modelling.

    How many policies did the coalition submit in 2010 and 2013? Didn’t we have them submitting to accountants who later received a penalty for their behaviour? Do you think we saw any of this year’s budget ‘surprises’ in 2013?

    I submit that they would never have been elected if the voters knew about their planned policies. The only way the coalition ever gets into power is through lying about planned policy, fearmongering, dirty politics and a new generation of voters who haven’t lived under their policies before.

    The coalition likes high unemployment, big business can pick & choose from workers desperate for a job and they will accept exploitation and lower wages better.

  331. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 21, 2014 4:09 pm

    I correct myself, the budget didn’t have ‘surprises’ they were outright lies.

  332. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2014 4:45 pm

    “How many policies did the coalition submit in 2010 and 2013?”

    What is your point?? Labor did not submit their policies in time for their policies to be costed before the 2007 election.

    The only way the coalition ever gets into power is through lying about planned policy, fearmongering, dirty politics and a new generation of voters who haven’t lived under their policies before.

    You must be talking about the ALP.

    By the way unemployment was at 4.3% in 2007, the lowest rate since the 1970’s so i am not sure what lies you are trying to tell. Unemployment was high from 1983-1996 as you would expect under an ALP govt.

  333. egg permalink
    June 21, 2014 5:25 pm

    ‘This is what bureaucrats do. They always pretend to know what they cannot really know, and are more than happy to squander other people’s money and liberty in order to realize their dreams. When they screw up, no one pays the price. This is why government almost always, make that always, gets it wrong.’

    Jeffrey Tucker (Beautiful Anarchy)

  334. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2014 5:48 pm

    “The coalition likes high unemployment,”

    The only high unemployment i remember is under Hawke/Keating. Thirty months of DD unemployment.

    We had 23 years of rule with 2% unemployment under Menzies. Unemployment averaged 8% under Hawke/keating.

    You say the Coalition likes unemployment? I say AO like telling lies. No morals, no shame, no ethics.

  335. Tom R permalink
    June 21, 2014 7:02 pm

    No morals, no shame, no ethics.

    Labor health spokeswoman Catherine King said the office of the Special Minister of State was required to receive a statement of private interests.

    “The Senate has already censured Senator Nash over this matter, and Labor has called on the Prime Minister to sack her,” she said. “Every additional piece of information only confirms this is the action the Prime Minister should take.”

    “She is the minister responsible for preventive health who has presided over a cut of $370 million to the National Partnership Agreement on Preventive Health, abolished the preventive health agency, cut $3 million from the National Tobacco Strategy and abolished the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/fiona-nash-conflictofinterest-documents-do-not-exist-20140620-zsgas.html#ixzz35FbDO0yT

  336. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2014 7:55 pm

    So I won’t be just accepting assertions that I’m wise after the event!

    Nor was I … but that’s what you accused me of …

    …and I’ll continue to point out that the guys I was working with have a better record in economic forecasting than TB, or treasury…and in particular they’re a couple of miles in front of Swan!

    The only problem with that is that they didn’t inform the thousands of retirees and investors that lost all their capital … thank goodness … what codswollop, ToM …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Tom R is a man who hopes the economy trashes with Abbott in power.

    The first four words are correct … and then it declines into ideological idiocy … no-one … no-one … no-one … wants the economy to fail … but you used the correct word trashed … that’s what Hockey and Abbott are doing … have you seen either one lately?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Years ago, when I studied economics, the big debate was always between JK Galbraith and Milton Friedman.

    Sorry, ToM, according to, sb, uni studies of years ago have no bearing on any discourse here …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There are 50 million of these people and another 1-2 billion economic immigrants.

    World wide you Fuckwit! We live in one of the remotest areas of the planet!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    History will judge if it was unnecessary hype or a genuine effort to manage something unique.

    It already has, another Dickwit …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I say AO like telling lies. No morals, no shame, no ethics.

    A winner KL!

    Kneel obviously has – no brains, no knowledge, no morals, no ethics, no friends, no family, no money, no understanding, no job … always blame other people for what you are … probably a catlik too …

    Bugger, he’s a priest … explains everything!

  337. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 21, 2014 8:14 pm

    “The first four words are correct … and then it declines into ideological idiocy … no-one … no-one … no-one … wants the economy to fail …”

    Tom R does. As does most ALP supporters.

    “World wide you Fuckwit! We live in one of the remotest areas of the planet!”

    Based on the numbers before the 2013 election we would be getting 50,000 boat people/year and could rapidly increase to 100,000/year.

    That is OK if you think we should be taking these people.

  338. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2014 8:18 pm

    It is quite obvious who was right, and despite his protestations, my forecasting has been far more accurate than TB’s!

    The problem with speed reading … I just read the above …

    ToM, you along with many others on Blogocracy mocked JMc* and me for even suggesting in 2007 that there was going to be a massive fall in the stockmarkets/economies – ah la 1930 and the Great Depression – … FFS even Costello didn’t see it coming and all the super funds and … and you!

    In fact John became quite “disappointed” with the comments aimed at him …

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    June 21, 2014 8:39 pm

    That is OK if you think we should be taking these people.

    If they are refugees and/or asylum seekers … yes … we have a signed, UN, obligation … no matter what government is in power …

    FYI … immigrants and refugees/asylum seekers are not the same …

  340. egg permalink
    June 22, 2014 10:52 am

    ‘It already has, another Dickwit …’

    I’m unconvinced that pink batts, school halls and a general piss up had any impact keeping us out of recession. I’ll put this up again, there were other mitigating influences.

    http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/1301.0Chapter27092009–10

  341. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 22, 2014 11:06 am

    TB, I think you’re being a little over sensitive!

    Many economists were pointing to the likely contraction, there were plenty of articles in financial journals and papers warning about it. You and John McP weren’t on your own.

    My recollection is that you tended to overstate the severity of the downturn, particularly for Australia. I never argued against the likely downturn, for example – the overheated price/earnings ratio on the ASX (and others) was unsustainable. There was a bidding frenzy that was always going to result in a severe correction/contraction. This always causes a downturn the economy.

    The point is, that you (and JMcP) didn’t accept that the Australian economy was likely to display more resilience than Europe or the USA, and that we were likely to get through the downturn without unemployment reaching the predicted 12%.

  342. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2014 11:46 am

  343. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2014 11:56 am

    😆

    …Readership of The Australian newspaper has reached a record high, according to an industry report obtained by The Kouk.

    The confidential report, produced by industry leader Imakethisshitup, confirmed readership has skyrocketed despite sales of the national newspaper sinking to record lows and bird owners complaining of a shortage of suitable newsprint for the bottom of their cages.

    The source told The Kouk that the decision to give away three-quarters of all copies of The Australian at airports as a “masterstoke” behind the readership surge…

  344. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2014 11:59 am

    cont’d from above link just because it’s so funny

    …The Kouk contacted every living person who has ever worked at the IPA for comment. In a resounding validation of the Imakeshisshitup report, everyone one of them agreed with the findings, even though none had ever seen the methodology used to reach these startling conclusions or read the report…

  345. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2014 12:04 pm

  346. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2014 12:05 pm

  347. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2014 12:19 pm

  348. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 22, 2014 12:43 pm
  349. June 22, 2014 1:37 pm

    Priceless stuff AO.. luv the Kouk, fair to say he owned Sinclair Davidson and that interview was just pure gold plated..

    The IPA as the incubating sewer womb marketing arm and policy directorate of the not so modern living in 1950 Fiberal party is a dangerous bunch who’s bankrollers and loyalty reward cardholders reads like a who’s who of the Fiberal pork barrel electioneering favor bank, cigar puffing slush fund.

    The other thread
    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/06/17/new-data-confirms-the-australian-lied-about-tobacco-consumption/
    has been trolled by a paid Big backy dick smoker call Harley which goes to show how scared and low these fucktards are.

  350. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2014 4:13 pm

    Well i see people are quoting Koukoulas. A man who says Costello paid off debt by asset sales. But then cannot explain where the $80B in the Future Fund came from.

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

  351. egg permalink
    June 22, 2014 4:49 pm

    ‘Instead we have a prime minister who says global warming is “crap”

    AGW is crap science, the models have failed,

    ‘has appointed a climate denier to review Australia’s renewable energy target’

    Its an emotive issue and appears to be the best course of action,

    ‘and tried to stymie global action on climate change.’

    He’s pretty game taking on the klimatariat.

  352. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2014 5:16 pm

    “AGW is crap science, the models have failed,

    You know that comment is amazing.

    It is all modeling. Most people think think it is facts.

  353. egg permalink
    June 22, 2014 5:35 pm

    It was an interesting theory, but observations prove the AGW science is flawed. Anything you may read or hear to the contrary…. is propaganda.

  354. June 22, 2014 5:44 pm

    Go to your room egg.

  355. egg permalink
    June 22, 2014 5:45 pm

    With pleasure.

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2014 6:11 pm

    And take the Dickwit® with you …

  357. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2014 6:12 pm

    You can play with each other … although I think one of you is already blind …

  358. June 22, 2014 6:17 pm

    seems like they have a theme,
    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/06/22/is-the-abc-board-doing-its-job/

    catalaxy seems like a teabag hang-out,
    l notice they have both a `walrus` and an `egg`

  359. June 22, 2014 6:39 pm

    (friedman)”””””””””””””’The discussions of the “social responsibilities of business” are notable for their analytical looseness and lack of rigor. What does it mean to say that “business” has responsibilities? Only people can have responsibilities. A corporation is an artificial person and in this sense may have artificial responsibilities, but “business” as a whole cannot be said to have responsibilities, even in this vague sense. The first step toward clarity in examining the doctrine of the social responsibility of business is to ask precisely what it implies for whom.
    http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/libertarians/issues/friedman-soc-resp-business.html
    ””””””””””””””

    #it doesn`t matter if it is rand, friedman or any other so-called teabag guru armchair, like religion, they use greed to gather their herd of mindless followers to enrich themselves. Never mind the blatant hypocrisy.

    the freidman crank is casting doubts over corporate responsibilities in one particular area, they then do all they can to expand the no-responsibility message, starting with social, then move thru, environment, worker, public, safety, financial.
    the other side of the `responsibility` coin is `rights`, and the corporates will scream loudly for their `rights` of all kinds, while demanding to have no `responsibilities`. #teabags

  360. egg permalink
    June 22, 2014 6:39 pm

    ‘Let’s face it, the ABC is out of control.’

    Hear Hear!

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    June 22, 2014 7:11 pm

    Only people can have responsibilities. A corporation is an artificial person and in this sense may have artificial responsibilities, but “business” as a whole cannot be said to have responsibilities, even in this vague sense.

    That’s why directors need to be far more culpable than they … hiding behind the “corporation” screen is simply cowardly Robber Baron tactics …

    … its not fkn rocket science … a “business” is simply an entity … we know that … but that entity reflects and represents the wishes of the people who mown (chuckle – that was a typo – but too good to correct!) and operate it …

    Jail time is the only way to curb cowboy directors and senior managers …

    The first step toward clarity in examining the doctrine of the social responsibility of business is to ask precisely what it implies for whom

    Indeed!

    The punters get as little as possible …

    … and the mowners (eh!) cream as much as possible, while paying as little in wages and benefits, dividends and tax, as is legally possible …

    Its endless recycling …

  362. June 22, 2014 7:45 pm

    Hey Squeal seeing you have such a hard time wrapping your head around the idea of where the future fund materialise here it is ….
    From the most rudimentary source (something that even a fucking dill like you can understand and constantly quote) Wiki (sic)

    The Future Fund Act, 2006 (Cth) received Royal Assent on 23 March 2006 and on 5 May, A$18 billion in seed capital, derived from government surpluses and income from the sale of a third of Telstra in its ongoing privatisation, was deposited into the fund.[11] The Australian Government transferred their remaining 17% stake in Telstra, valued at A$8.9 billion, into the fund on 28 February 2007.[12][dead link] This contribution, combined with other transfers, will push the fund to over A$50 billion by the end of the 2006-2007 financial year.

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS I AM A CLUELESS FUCKING IMBECILE WHO MINDLESSLY CHEERS FOR A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE KNOB HEADED GOOSE STEPPING DOPES INCAPABLE OF THINKING FOR THEMSELVES. I AM A PARROTING, REPETITIVE LYING BORE

    True dat 🙂

  363. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2014 8:42 pm

    Hey Squeal seeing you have such a hard time wrapping your head around the idea of where the future fund materialise here it is …”

    I know where it came from. Costello produced $100B in surplus budgets and $70B in asset sales.

    $100B + $70B =$170B. That $170B allowed Costello to pay of all govt debt and create a Future Fund plus other funds.

    Koukoulamaniac says debt was paid off by asset sales. But Koukoualiar has never explained where the money came from to start the Future Fund.

    If asset sales paid off debt where did the money from the Future Fund come from? Plus other funds like the Higher Education scheme plus other funds started by Costello.

    Mr Stephen Koukoulas is a pathological liar, a fraud .

    Like you are Ricky.

  364. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2014 8:47 pm

    “The Future Fund Act, 2006 (Cth) received Royal Assent on 23 March 2006 and on 5 May, A$18 billion in seed capital, derived from government surpluses and income from the sale of a third of Telstra in its ongoing privatisation,

    But Koukoukaliar and you said asset sales were used to pay off debt. Now you are saying it was out into the Future Fund. Make up your mind.

    Koukoulas and Ricky are corrupt and immoral people who support a corrupt and immoral party.

  365. June 22, 2014 9:17 pm

    those that mindlessly chant bolt-bullshit should never call anybody else a liar #teabags

  366. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 22, 2014 9:39 pm

    “The Australian Government transferred their remaining 17% stake in Telstra, valued at A$8.9 billion, into the fund on 28 February 2007″

    But Koukoifunking I know nothing said asset sales were used to pay off debt.

    Now Koukoiamafraud said asset sales were out into the Future Fund.

    Perhaps Mr Stephen Koukoulas is an evil corrupt lying piece of shit.

    Koukoulas is the reason wars start. He is a lying unethical dishonest lying piece of shit.

    Just like all the people who support the ALP.

  367. June 22, 2014 10:18 pm

    ””””’the time is never quite right for the””””’
    ””””’austerity necessary to pay off the debt.””””
    rich/corporate loop-holes and tax-discounts to be stopped and give Govt full revenue.

  368. June 23, 2014 2:28 am

    Squeal you fucking imbecile get i through your moronic fucking pea brain… The future fund was set up from asset sales as was Costello paying off debt.. dont you get that you obnoxious cunt?

    Dont call me immoral you fucking little insignificant intellectual pygmy ass grape . Stop repeating the same inane rubbish you insidious bore..fucking grow up, evolve..live in the present you knuckle dragging parrot. What is it with the fiberal teabag circle jerking soggy sao brigade and moral high ground. I tell you whats immoral you cock breathed fucktard Tony fucking Abbott and Johnny liar Howard, George Bolt Bumboy Brandis and Scotty Christian of convenience Morrison by virtue of their actions not rhetorical snot slagging from an irrelevant bum breathed bleating blockhead like you.

  369. June 23, 2014 2:35 am

    I apologise in advance to our lady contributors for such vulgar language rest assured that I reserve its use for special trolls that I fear may bore us all to death like squeal 🙄

  370. June 23, 2014 2:43 am

    By the way Egg you are wrong.. many of those toxic loans were bundled up as products, reclassified and on sold to super funds as secured after the rebundle that tanked on the deals. Goldman Sacks Macquarie, HIH Deloitte were rife with those low docs loans on sold in a bulk bundle as securities in the US then on sold again then hedged by AIG financed by and recommended as low risk to Super funds by Lehman’s.

  371. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2014 3:44 am

    Squeal you fucking imbecile get i through your moronic fucking pea brain… The future fund was set up from asset sales as was Costello paying off debt.. dont you get that you obnoxious cunt?

    Yeah i get it but Stephen Koukoulas does not.

    Koukoulas uses the $70B of Costello asset sales to pay off debt. He says $70B of the $96B of debt that Costello inherited was used to pay of debt.

    You therefore cannot use asset sales twice to also start the FF. So where does Koukoulas say the money in the FF came from??

  372. egg permalink
    June 23, 2014 8:02 am

    ‘many of those toxic loans were bundled up as products,’

    That doesn’t surprise me.

  373. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2014 9:06 am

    I reserve its use for special trolls

    I keep falling for it too, RP, quite frankly I think we should remember the sage advice … don’t feed the trolls …

    I get sick of the repetition week after week …

  374. June 23, 2014 9:34 am

    Egg seek out a great Doco on the GFC called “Inside Job” and excellent explanation of the whole mess.

    I get sick of the repetition week after week …

    Yeah TB case in question….
    Just can’t get it through his head that the $72 billion of Government assets by Howard was used to for the FF and the economic bragg of surplus. Lust like Abbott this morning using bullshit language “Debt and Deficit disaster” Squeal would bend shit to sugar to suit into his nursery rhyme. He is becoming an repetitive bore incapable of exchange and commenting on topic in a centrist blog without saying the same shit over again. Apparently we are immoral… not that he generalises, hypervents or anything. He adds nothing but hatred and parroting idiocy, just a fucking dick.

  375. TB Queensland permalink
    June 23, 2014 9:57 am

    Don’t feed the trolls … RP 🙂

  376. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2014 10:24 am

    We’ve Only Just Begun – HSU and the Royal Commission, Kathy Jacksons nightmare begins:
    http://wixxyleaks.com/weve-only-just-begun-hsu-and-the-royal-commission-kathy-jacksons-nightmare-begins/

    I apologise in advance to our lady contributors for such vulgar language rest assured that I reserve its use for special trolls

    oh, were you serious ricky?

    no offence taken, at least not by me, I understand the frustration, besides I find your mega insults quite original and humorously apt! 🙂

  377. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2014 10:50 am

    “I keep falling for it too, RP, quite frankly I think we should remember the sage advice … don’t feed the trolls …

    I was asked for a link where Stephen Koukoulas tells falsehoods, so i gave one.

    In the link i gave Koukoulas says most of the $96B in debt that Costello inherited was paid off by asset sales ($70B).

    But i know some of those asset sales were used to start the Future Fund. You can only use asset sales once not twice.

    If asset sales were used to pay off debt where does Koukoulas say the money in the Future Fund come from???

    Costello paid off $96B of debt and started an $80B FF. That is 96+80= $176B.

    So Costello needed to find $176B to do that.

  378. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2014 11:03 am

    sick of talking about futures fund and days of the lives of costello and howard. Move it along neil, it’s 2014, you’re stuck-in-a-rut.

    I was asked for a link where Stephen Koukoulas tells falsehoods, so i gave one.

    where’s the link neil, I only saw selective quoting but no actual link given, i could have missed it though. Can you give it again?

  379. June 23, 2014 11:10 am

    If thats your explanation Squeal great, you have made your point from John Howard and the fiberals greatest hits from the past as sad a that shit is… Now just fucking drop it and move on if you are capable of discussing anything that is happening now? I completely disagree and no matter what I say you wont budge which speak volumes about your logic…

    How about you stop using other peoples analysis of past history to suit your barracking and talk about this current government or is that beyond your mental capacity?

    Meanwhile Paula is talking sense.. centrists are back and radical immoral neocons will be banished to History’s dustbin where they belong

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-23/matthewson-political-dissenters-a-romantic-diversion/5542448

  380. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 23, 2014 11:16 am

    Regular as clockwork is the propaganda machine.
    Notice there’s more soundbites today re asylum seekers/stop the boats nonsense. Every time the govt. is not doing well or had some bad publicity, out comes some official news or even no news, some statement to remind us about the boats and we’re still abusing asylum seekers.
    It’s their their safe, happy place to go to when events and issues seem frightening for them!

    it’s a wonder they haven’t dragged out a defence force uniform to tell us that they haven’t found that plane again 😆

  381. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 23, 2014 12:48 pm

    Wixxy was spot on about Craig Thomson. No wonder he is the goto man for Unionland shills.

  382. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 23, 2014 12:51 pm

    “Notice there’s more soundbites today re asylum seekers/stop the boats nonsense. “

    Saving hundreds of people from drowning is a good thing even if it enrages ghoulish leftists.

  383. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 23, 2014 2:04 pm

    “where’s the link neil, I only saw selective quoting but no actual link given, i could have missed it though. Can you give it again?”

    http://thekouk.com/blog/more-facts-behind-the-howard-government-s-debt-elimination.html#.U6ekwIUiit8

    This article has so many falsehoods i don’t know where to start but it is typical for ALP supporters. Koukoulas tries to make out that Costello paid off debt by asset sales so it is no big deal. Anybody could do that proclaims Koukoulas.

    To make a long story short Costello saved approx $100B in surplus budgets which did NOT include asset sales and got approx $70B from asset sales. So Costello saved 100+70= $170B in 11 years. In fact i think he saved even more.

    This money was used to pay off $96B of debt and create the Future fund containing $80B.

    To do what Costello did he had to find approx $180B. Asset sales of $70B does not even come close. You need to find another $110B from somewhere.

    Koukoulas is a total fraud. Unfortunately he is a highly intelligent fraud. He is just a very intelligent highly educated devil.

  384. June 23, 2014 10:52 pm

    ”””””””’PETE: . . 23 Jun 2014 11:32:07am

    The “only” thing that the Australian people vote for is a “Party”.
    or independent, that’s it… nothing more nothing less.

    Everything else we don’t have a vote on….it’s just decided by a group of vested interests. Really sad””””””””””’

    #sorry ricky, l agree with pete

    .

    ””””””””””Paula Matthewson is a freelance communications adviser and corporate writer. She was media advisor to John Howard in the early 1990s. She tweets and blogs as @Drag0nista.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-23/matthewson-political-dissenters-a-romantic-diversion/5542448
    ””””””””’

    #ie spin-doctor/lobbyist ricky #teabags

  385. June 23, 2014 11:02 pm

    dragonista is a `status-quo` writer (and muse to andrew-elder), and can always find plenty wrong with non-teabag members/topics,(particular-greens+indies) and only critiques the teabags lightly at the fringes. Remember, each post is a potential job application with the teabags.

  386. June 23, 2014 11:15 pm

    nationals blow-hard ron boswell is on Latelineland whining about clive and my abc, if ya`want a laugh, take a look on iview tomorrow

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