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June 13, 2014

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Hello and welcome to Rostrum!  Our weekend open discussion forum.

I’m currently reporting live, yes LIVE!  From Penang in Malaysia, with thanks to the technological marvel of the interwebs and the computers.

It’s currently a balmy 32 degrees here and the peoples seem contented.  In some small way I like to think that I’ve contributed to that.

Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.

reb.

 

(PS. Hat tip to Armchair Opinionator for the image source.)

 

 

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  1. June 13, 2014 1:36 pm

    Vale Jim Keays…RIP one of the greats in Aussie Rock. Apt words for a dark age in Australian politics.

  2. Walrus Currently Whale Watching permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:45 pm

    So you fled Bangkok in fear of your life ?

    Heading there next month with a number of friends. Mrs Walrus picked out some hotel with some sort of rooftop bar in one of the Hangover Movies

  3. Walrus Currently Whale Watching permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:47 pm

    I suppose at least if the whole city blows up and there is a sudden helicopter/rooftop evac of Australian citizens at least I’ll be able to wait with a drink in hand

  4. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:53 pm

    I suppose at least if the whole city blows up and there is a sudden helicopter/rooftop evac of Australian citizens at least I’ll be able to wait with a drink in hand

    sorry, no money in budget for that walrus, you’ll have to fend for yourselves 😉

  5. Walrus Currently Whale Watching permalink
    June 13, 2014 1:58 pm

    “sorry, no money in budget for that walrus, you’ll have to fend for yourselves”

    Oh well………………………..I’ll just have to wait in the bar until there is

  6. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2014 2:00 pm

    ABC – always biased.

  7. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 2:24 pm

    Guess they need to add balance to the one sided tripe coming out of murdor SB. 😉

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:06 pm

    Faine really is a ratbag.

  9. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:11 pm

    I have sad news, our internets is about to run out, so will be left back in 20th century 😯 before too long. Bloody kids! Mind you, I might get some work done 🙂

    Don’t miss me too much, and have a good weekend everyone 😉

    Will post/bug until the apocalypse occurs!

    starting with this

  10. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:12 pm

    What the ratbags don’t know won’t hurt ’em 😉

  11. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:21 pm

    Commissioner Heydon ruled that anything that related to 2012 could have no bearing on events back in 1992, which is what the commission is focused on. While this is true, it also presented like a Through the Looking Glass moment. The main reason Wilson’s slush fund has been pursued in the public arena at such length is because of the role played by Gillard, just as the intense focus on Peter Slipper’s harassment case in 2012 lasted only as long as he was speaker.

    Mr Wilson’s counsel, Kristine Hanscombe, QC, in cross-examining Blewitt last month, extracted a revelation that Blewitt had been flown to Australia from Thailand four to five times by retired lawyer Harry Nowicki, who had then prepared three police statements that Blewitt had signed without reading, which he now says were wrong.

    How the Victorian police accepted the statements, and whether it proves terminal for their investigation, remains to be seen. Wilson even suggests Nowicki went to Greece to doorknock another witness.

    This is a well-trodden case. The real danger is that, after three sets of inquiries, what the archaeologists are now finding is compromised by the footsteps of would-be investigators.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/union_corruption_excavation_tad_0fHQW5Wo0CT5VUJg2TdWNJ

    But, as long as they get “Gillard” and “slush fund” on the front page, the multi million dollar witch hunt is serving its purpose.

  12. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:22 pm
  13. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:23 pm

    “Guess they need to add balance to the one sided tripe coming out of murdor”

    What they give is not “balance”. A corrupt cabal at the ABC is stealing public money to ram their sick-fuck leftist agenda down our throats. The only benefit is that they might bankrupt Fairfax in the process.

    Murdoch is entitled to publish as he sees fit as are Fairfax, the Guardian, Crikey and other privately owned news organisations. The fact that there is one news organisation which is not in lockstep with the looney left drives them nuts.

  14. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:43 pm

    “But, as long as they get “Gillard” and “slush fund” on the front page, the multi million dollar witch hunt is serving its purpose.”

    “Slush fund” is Gillard’s term for that august workers’ organisation. I wonder how she got it so wrong? Here is a question – if Gillard knew it was a slush fund why did she not include that in its objects when she drafted its constitution?

    I bet Craig Thomson, Eddie Obeid, ALP President Michael Williamson, John Maitland, Ian McDonald and the gang had wished they had let sleeping dogs lie. There are plenty of flea-ridden mongrels in Unionland now living in fear of public disclosure. Maybe Gillard should have enacted a statute of limitations to protect her boyfriend and the other Unionland crooks.

    It is in the public interest to shed light on the rotten workings of a typical union. It will be a bonus if the shonks are prosecuted. The same goes for the Liberal party shonks

  15. June 13, 2014 3:44 pm

    Who knew I’d see a third invasion of Iraq in my lifetime? So much for “Mission Accomplished”…

    Guess they need some more weapons of mass delusion… Haliburton in the wings rubbing hands.. John Howard hides under a blanket

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/12/jihadist-victories-iraq-us-troops

  16. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 3:53 pm

    Murdoch is entitled to publish as he sees fit

    Not while he pretends to be part of the news media, and is granted the privileged access that comes with that. The caveat for that access is present the news fairly. Obviously a FAIL

  17. June 13, 2014 3:56 pm

    Prediction: If Abbott pulls us back into a war in Iraq… Considering the current climate, he will unleash the most hostile beast of public contempt ever seen in Australia… Things will get very very Ugly….. just sayin

  18. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:00 pm

    Things will get very very Ugly….. just sayin

    I wouldn’t bet on it. murdor is talented with lipstick, and will have the readers bettin’ on hte outcome before it even starts

  19. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:01 pm

    Two years after Australia started pricing carbon, the economy is growing above trend, unemployment has fallen and inflation is comfortably in the Reserve Bank’s comfort zone.
    And now the government is promising to scrap carbon pricing next month with the assistance of Clive Palmer – and economic growth will fall and unemployment will rise.
    That wasn’t the story the Coalition has been telling Australia for four years.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/taxing-the-truth-on-carbon-pricing-20140613-3a1oq.html#ixzz34UpPwgMr

    Yea, bias I see 😯

    Somehow, presenting the news is “lefty”

  20. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:02 pm

    What access?

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:14 pm

    Don’t often pull my comments from another thread but I put this up this morning … and it seems appropriate …

    What most people don’t realise (especially Abbott, it seems), is that our ADF personnel after 12 years or rotations to Afghanistan, are getting weary … and so are their families …

    Maybe some of the commenters here could volunteer .. or maybe Tony Abbott’s plan is to fill the ranks with the unemployed … you know the 18 to 30 year olds … who won’t get support …

    … if that is Abbott’s hidden agenda (and I’m fast reaching the conclusion that there are many in this Budget) … then he understands little about the ADF too …*

    And it is 1950′s style thinking …

  22. Maison Blanc permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:15 pm

    “Prediction: If Abbott pulls us back into a war in Iraq…”

    No chance of that while Obama’s president. That’s my prediction.

  23. Walrus permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:16 pm

    “………….and is granted the privileged access that comes with that””

    What the fuck are you on about “privileged”” ?

    Anyone can open a newspaper.

    It’s TV and Radio that need licences because they take up spectrum which is a public asset

  24. Walrus permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:18 pm

    USA Airstrike with Intelligence support plus Australia humanitarian aid is my prediction.

    How do you unscramble an egg ?

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:19 pm

    TR, the IMF figures are very interesting (in fact one would wonder why they did that – weird?)

    ‘Tis funny but the strangers I’ve been speaking to (my mob will tell I can talk to anyone) really know that something smells … they don’t know what … but they will often tell you … “I just know its not right …”

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:21 pm

    Anyone can open a newspaper.

    Oh yeah?

    USA Airstrike with Intelligence support plus Australia humanitarian aid is my prediction.

    Yes, Sir! 🙄

  27. Walrus permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:28 pm

    “….Oh yeah? …””

    OK………subject to whether they own a radio or tv licence already

  28. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:29 pm

    What access?

    Why don’t we start with the press gallery?

  29. Walrus permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:30 pm

    “”Don’t often pull my comments from another thread””

    No one noticed……………………so don’t worry too much about it……….LOL

  30. June 13, 2014 4:36 pm

    Anyone can open a newspaper.

    Yeah and you can run it at a loss if you have 150 others, a movie studio, two satellite news networks, 3 cable companies, 10 printing companies, a few advertising agencies, and swag of radio stations…

    Tell ya what Wally.. Let do one together, you put up ya house on that statement…
    Too many reds too early pace yourself son….

  31. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:39 pm

    Oh what wicked webs we weave hehehe

    Labor says Prime Minister Tony Abbott has conceded the fuel excise is a “carbon tax on steroids” following remarks about the scheme the PM made in the US.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-13/fuel-excise-a-carbon-tax-on-steroids-labor-says/5522216

  32. armchair opionator permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:40 pm

    For starters:
    How did Wilson s evidence get leaked to faine?
    This is a RC and should be secure, which tory minister’s office was involved?
    Secondly, the $200000 info was especially disallowed because the very tight ToR prohibited such evidence.
    The set up is a foregone conclusion and the RC only allowed to find what Abbott wants it to find.

  33. armchair opionator permalink
    June 13, 2014 4:44 pm

    “Labor says Prime Minister Tony Abbott has conceded the fuel excise is a “carbon tax on steroids”

    And trussy’s immediately had to rush out and deny what Abbott said

  34. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:11 pm

    Good questions AO

    more questions than answers in this witch hunt, questions that are not allowed to be looked at.

  35. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:13 pm

    I like the way that, when he was in Canadia, he was preparing a Coalition of the Denialiti against Obama, but, when in the US, he was on a “Unity Ticket” with him

    He didn’t get the nickname weather vain for nothing 😉

    And our piss arse media just report it with a straight face, happily forgetting what he said yesterday.

  36. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:20 pm

    The Monk is a novice, Talcum would have made a better fist of it.

  37. armchair opionator permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:21 pm

    Except trussy’s cleaning up the mouth farts of the “fuel tax is a carbon tax on steroids” not going down well in nat territory!

  38. Walrus permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:27 pm

    “How did Wilson s evidence get leaked to faine?”

    “ëvidence”………………………………..?

    ROFLMAO………..now that’s funny

    More like red herring and funny how we never heard of his allegation whilst Gillard was PM and under the pump so to speak. It would have been of much more importance then.

    Not surprised to se you usual Patrons of the Lost Causes rally around Wilson. Much the same with Thommo and Williamson.

    Very funny to watch you Lefties shriek like banshees at the injustice of it all

  39. Tom R permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:44 pm

    Very funny to watch you Lefties shriek like banshees at the injustice of it all

    Oh, the injustice 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/06/13/rostrum-17/#comment-61590

  40. armchair opionator permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:45 pm

    I prefer to see real justice – a wide open RC with nothing off limits in ToR.
    Let the whole truth be told.

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:50 pm

    Mmm

    Sorry this comment could not be posted!

    That’s a first!

    No one noticed……………………so don’t worry too much about it……….LOL

    LOL! Wally, more BS … you obviously did … 🙂

  42. Walrus permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:52 pm

    “”……..– a wide open RC with nothing off limits in ToR.””

    You do realise its supposed to report back before the end of the 21st century don’t you ………….?

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:52 pm

    The Monk is a novice, Talcum would have made a better fist of it.

    Your shifty oops, shifting allegiance again I see, eggles …

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 5:59 pm

    Very funny to watch you Lefties shriek like banshees at the injustice of it all

    You’re so predictable, Wally … very quiet for a week while you “analyse” the budget for ammo … go eeeeek … and then try and look over there … and fart around with anything but the real issue … the budget …

    As someone who works in the finance trade … you must know that the economy is being trashed by this mob …

  45. egg permalink
    June 13, 2014 6:02 pm

    Sitting on the fence gives me options and on this occasion I can fairly say Abbott is out of place. The fibs he’s telling the Alliance leader are only white lies, so that’s alright I suppose.

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 6:09 pm

    The fibs he’s telling the Alliance leader are only white lies

    Splurt!

  47. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 13, 2014 6:54 pm

    “I prefer to see real justice – a wide open RC with nothing off limits in ToR.
    Let the whole truth be told.”

    Fkn pathetic. Anything to cover for the Unionland goon squad, I suppose.

    If crooks are exposed, that is justice, isn’t it? Oh wait, there wil be very little of the union movement left if they really get to the bottom of this.

    Looks to me like Thiess is in this up to their necks as well. So corporates are under the microscope too.

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    June 13, 2014 7:03 pm

    Fkn pathetic. Anything to cover for the Unionland goon squad, I suppose.

    No, ANYTHING involved in this should be investigated … you like the LIberal Party are cherry picking for an expected outcome …

    If crooks are exposed, that is justice, isn’t it?

    Absolutely … no matter their politics …

    Oh wait, there wil be very little of the union movement left if they really get to the bottom of this.

    That’s your assumption and the Liberal Party expectation …

    Looks to me like Thiess is in this up to their necks as well. So corporates are under the microscope too.

    And they shouldn’t be?

    If crooks are exposed, that is justice, isn’t it?

    Personally I don’t give a shit how many arseholes they knock out in unions or business …

    There has been little movement in pay for two years … eventually the workers will wake up why ..

  49. armchair opionator permalink
    June 13, 2014 7:32 pm

    There’s justice and there’s justice sb.
    Strange logic of yours to think that restraining justice by ToR handcuffs is ok. You don’t care how it’s done as long as unions are demonised?
    I prefer a proper process where the powers of a RC are actually used to get to the bottom of it all, not just a stitch up to ensure your own side don’t cop any fall out. Still reeling from Icac eh?

  50. June 13, 2014 7:32 pm

    Last night we had dinner with friends at this seafood place on the beach and my better half remarked that he “wouldn’t mind” visiting the rather banal looking mosque across the road.

    I chipped in with, “why would you bother, it’s just full of sandals n’ rugs.”

    Apparently, that was considered “culturally insensitive.”

    Jesus, I thought, they ain’t seen nothing yet.

    I toyed with the idea of popping my head in the door too, but seeing as I’d probably be the first white face to venture into the place they’d probably think it was some kind of reverse jihad thing.

    That’s the thing with people these days, no fkn sense of humour.

    *sigh*

  51. June 13, 2014 8:04 pm

    I’m with you, reb. If the world maintained a sense of humour instead of a sense of outrage, we’d all be better off.

    * conservatives (particularly religious conservatives) really struggle with abstract concepts (other than sky wizardry) such as ‘humour’.

  52. Lost Your Keays permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:16 pm

    This is the best Jim Keays (Masters Apprentices) song by far, IMHO…

    .

  53. Vino Rosso permalink
    June 13, 2014 9:50 pm

    Another good one from that era …

  54. Melbourne Sharps permalink
    June 13, 2014 10:15 pm

    A counter-cultural youth movement from early-seventies Melbourne that lasted just a couple of years. They had to “normalise” for practical reasons – most dances and pubs barred them due to their appearance (and reputation).

  55. June 14, 2014 2:24 am

    One of the best songs from the Australian Songbook. An Very important iconic track in Australian music history..

  56. egg permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:46 am

    ‘Claus Voegele, Professor of Clinical and Health Psychology, said: ‘All addictions are similar in that the sufferer craves to excess the feel-good buzz they receive from chemical neurotransmitters produced when they eat, gamble, smoke, have sex or take drugs.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2657057/Food-addiction-DOES-exist-Some-people-really-lack-willpower-programmed-binge-eat.html#ixzz34Z9ckGfO
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 10:54 am

    and still they come

    This was a powerhouse voice and those were the best of times.

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 10:56 am

  59. June 14, 2014 12:14 pm

    “Bibleman”

    guffaw..

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 12:29 pm

  61. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 12:33 pm

  62. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 12:43 pm

    Fall in greenhouse gas emissions biggest in 24 years:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/fall-in-greenhouse-gas-emissions-biggest-in-24-years-20140613-zs7be.html#ixzz34ZsOVSIk

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 12:54 pm

    Nationals and Palmer party urged to keep low-income super scheme going:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/14/nationals-and-palmer-party-urged-to-keep-low-income-super-scheme-going

    Why electricity prices continue to shock people:
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/why-electricity-prices-continue-to-shock-people-20140613-3a2va.html

    Renovated truths and a royal commission into trade unions:
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/06/14/renovated-truths-and-royal-commission-trade-unions/1402668000#.U5u48_na6Sp

    “This either has to go away or stand up, and so far it’s a house of cards.” – Jon Faine

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 1:14 pm

    Andrews leads fight to abolish charities commission:
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/03/29/andrews-leads-fight-abolish-charities-commission/1396011600#.U5u8Nvna6So

    …There are two groups that want the charities regulator and its oversights scuppered: the financial services industry and the Catholic Church. They have a friend in the government…

    …He found the FSC press release “breathtaking” in its disingenuousness. The real concern of the trust companies, he says, is not the $2 million in compliance costs. “There’s a bigger agenda here.” Much bigger…

    …He describes as “a national scandal” the situation in which tens of millions of dollars each year are being siphoned off to pad the bottom lines of the for-profit companies, instead of going to the charitable purposes for which they were intended…

  65. egg permalink
    June 14, 2014 2:30 pm

    ‘biggest in 24 years’

    The US is well in front of us because of fracking.

  66. June 14, 2014 6:33 pm

    Fracking… Possibly one of the most environmentally destructive and stupidest things that man will ever impose upon the environment next to Nuclear, where they just ignore the waste for the past 50 years, making it up as the go along.

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 7:06 pm

    I chipped in with, “why would you bother, it’s just full of sandals n’ rugs.”

    sreb! I’m so disappointed in you …

    … however, I know just how you feel …

    Why do you think I’m still commenting here?

    Its not for the stimulating intellectual commentary and discussion … LOL! 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hear! Hear! RP … soooo … dangerous! So unpredictable and the history is not good in the states !

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m waiting to see if Clivey actually walks the talk, KL, or whether he’s become enamoured with the politics … methinks the latter … Clivey is a negotiator (white shoe brigade) he don’t really care about the peasants … until then …

    Go Clivey!

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 7:10 pm

    The US is well in front of us because of fracking.

    You obviously have never been to the land of the free … ’cause it ain’t … its actually the land of the dumb and stupid …

    … and that’s the problem that the Liberal Party have … they are using USA politics here and Australians are neither dumb nor stupid …

    … you need to travel more before you make stupid statement like the one above … I’m beginning to think you are still in school and stumbled on this blog during playtime …

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 7:12 pm

    Tony Abbott gets Socceroos captain name wrong …

    Even if he’d said … Milko …

  70. June 14, 2014 7:41 pm

    ””””””””’I’d probably be the first white face to venture into the place they’d probably think it was some kind of reverse jihad thing.”””””””””’

    #Guffaw reb-a-roo, enjoy Penang 🙂

    ____

    ”””””””””If the world maintained a sense of humour instead of a sense of outrage, we’d all be better off.”””””””””’

    #yeah dunny, can`t argue with that, tho l can`t see vested interests letting-up on the manufacture of said outrage

  71. June 14, 2014 7:47 pm

    ”””””””””””Fracking… Possibly one of the most environmentally destructive and stupidest things that man will ever impose upon the environment next to Nuclear”””””””””””’

    #agree ricky, but l reckon the powers that be will continue to consume this planet until there is nothing left

  72. June 14, 2014 8:04 pm

    #oh the blubbering!

    ”””””””””’Anyone can open a newspaper.”””’

    #Bullshit, if ya`talking about the non-digital/original version, more closely correct is `anybody-with-ten-million-dollars`can open start a paper,

    #on the digital side, they need to be able to interview politicians and other power-players, so far, they can`t(and it HAS been tested) Tony/@Geekrulez and Margot(??kingston??) couldn`t get a canberra press-pass for their reporter. The prick that stopped/denied them, was the Limited-News/Sky rep that is head of the canberra press association. So much for that argument blubbers.

    .

    ”””””””””It’s TV and Radio that need licences because they take up spectrum which is a public asset”””””””’

    #and that`s irrelevant, start-ups trying to compete with monster-media, that already own multiple `brands` across multiple platforms would be a much larger obstacle.

  73. June 14, 2014 8:06 pm

    $10 million, `about` the amount needed to but a printing press.

  74. June 14, 2014 8:08 pm

    but a printing press. #guffaw BUY

  75. June 14, 2014 8:16 pm

    ””””””’Very funny to watch you Lefties shriek like banshees at the injustice of it all””””””’

    what is even funnier blubbers, is the silence around the grollo investigation into the three deaths caused by the collapsing wall,

    (hint, no engineering inspection) and nobody knows why, and nobody is reporting just `how` this happened or what `cost-saving` measures were in play.

  76. Grace Us permalink
    June 14, 2014 8:27 pm

    “Why do you think I’m still commenting here?”

    Dog only knows.

  77. Feigned Indignation permalink
    June 14, 2014 8:29 pm

    ““This either has to go away or stand up, and so far it’s a house of cards.” – Jon Faine”

    Faine’s campaigning, not reporting.

  78. Peek Awl permalink
    June 14, 2014 8:30 pm

    “Fracking… Possibly one of the most environmentally destructive and stupidest things that man will ever impose upon the environment”

    Actually, no.

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 8:54 pm

    Fracking… Possibly one of the most environmentally destructive and stupidest things that man will ever impose upon the environment”

    yes

  80. Side Lines permalink
    June 14, 2014 8:57 pm

    Yes, No. Black, White. Progressive, Conservative. Labor, Liberal.

    The state of political “debate” in Australia.

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:00 pm

    Clivey is a negotiator (white shoe brigade) he don’t really care about the peasants … until then …

    I guess we’ll all find out soon enough whether clive is motivated by self interest or will actually rise to the chance of being a member of government. not that self interest is a bad thing according to some ideologues 😉

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:02 pm

    The state of political “debate” in Australia.

    that was actually my point

  83. Krive permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:04 pm

    All very true, AO. Even some Labor supporters barracking for Clive might be motivated by self-interest.

  84. June 14, 2014 9:17 pm

    “Actually, no.” ?
    Obviously a Frackwit 🙄

  85. Frack Yeah! permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:20 pm

    Obviously a Frackwit

    Yep. 😉

  86. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:35 pm

    …Prime Minister Tony Abbott equated the sacrifices Australian soldiers made in their fight for democracy with the abolition of the carbon tax and ‘Australia open for business’. Others do not. At the Anzac Memorial Service at the Bentley protest against coal seam gas mining a Vietnam veteran summed up the general mood of the moment.
    “What we see happening here is not what they fought for.”
    They fought for Civil Rights…

    – See more at: http://nofibs.com.au/2014/06/13/civil-rights-and-wrongs-at-leardblockade-by-adropex/#sthash.GUiKbTxs.dpuf

  87. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 9:40 pm

    Bruce Wilson testimony and Nowicki allegations at #TURC: @Boeufblogginon reports:

    See more at: http://nofibs.com.au/2014/06/14/bruce-wilson-testimony-and-nowicki-allegations-at-turc-boeufblogginon-reports/#sthash.NwF64nfF.dpuf

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    June 14, 2014 10:31 pm

    Obviously a Frackwit

    Yep.

    So, ToSY, how does fracking work?

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 14, 2014 10:57 pm

  90. June 14, 2014 11:34 pm

    Holy fuck AO… Not only is this fuckwit talking up Coal, “Let me repeat that”…but he’s meeting with the Oil Companies like Exxon.. He says it fitting “He” pays tribute at Arlington..Not “Us” , not all inclusive on behalf of all Australians… “He”

    This fuckwit is a megalomaniac incapable of governing for all Australians. A national and international shameful disgrace…

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2014 12:04 am

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/jul/16/rupert-murdoch-ed-miliband-phone-hacking

    “I think that we’ve got to look at the situation whereby one person can own more than 20% of the newspaper market, the Sky platform and Sky News,” Miliband said. “I think it’s unhealthy because that amount of power in one person’s hands has clearly led to abuses of power within his organisation. If you want to minimise the abuses of power then that kind of concentration of power is frankly quite dangerous.”…

    if 20% concentration of newspapers is too much power and led to abuse, how would it be with the same person having 70% ?

  92. egg permalink
    June 15, 2014 7:32 am

    ‘Holy fuck AO… Not only is this fuckwit talking up Coal,’

    Coal is good to go, especially the very black stuff. Apparently, from the latest information we have, it has no effect on the weather.

    For more detail, check out the stuff up in the back room.

  93. egg permalink
    June 15, 2014 7:50 am

    ‘The state of political “debate” in Australia.’

    Its still as gutsy as its always been, but with the addition of the twittersphere and blogosphere it has become more instantaneous and exciting.

  94. June 15, 2014 9:14 am

    Egg… No it aint

    and

    Egg… No its your little puddle, I prefer my science dispensed by professionals as I prefer news to opinion.

    Sicophant bathes the feet of the master.. takes the Puppeteer to tweak and tighten the strings

    http://www.theland.com.au/news/metro/national/general/tony-abbott-fulfils-wish-to-dine-with-rupert-murdoch-in-new-york/2701635.aspx

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2014 11:06 am

    Obama calls for climate change action in California commencement speech
    Speaking at University of California, Irvine, president compares science denial to saying ‘moon is made of cheese’
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/14/obama-university-california-irvine-speech-climate-change?CMP=twt_gu

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2014 11:25 am

    Tony Abbott is no action man on climate change:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/tony-abbott-is-no-action-man-on-climate-change

    …Tony “conservationist” Abbott has been telling the Americans his government supports “strong action” on climate change. Sadly, every piece of available evidence says the opposite.

    First, his policy is a competitive government grants scheme in which participation by polluters is voluntary. As veteran US lawmaker Henry Waxman told the ABC this week: “That never worked anywhere.”…

  97. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2014 12:39 pm

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 15, 2014 1:30 pm

    I watched some of the heats of the national aboriginal surfing titles at Bells Beach a couple of years ago, and I think those types of events are a great way of supporting culture, inclusion (in the surfing community) and confidence of young people.

    But I really don’t see what business it is of that F**KWIT Clive Palmer to start recommending the form of art work on a gift of a surfboard.

    Palmer is a loud mouth and more irksome that Gillard or Rudd or Abbott or Milne or Pyne

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 2:20 pm

    GO CLIVEY!

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 2:21 pm

    What a stupid “gift” for the POTUS anyway …

  101. egg permalink
    June 15, 2014 4:04 pm

    Kitty a DD election would be a breath of fresh air to drive away the pollution.

  102. egg permalink
    June 15, 2014 4:31 pm

    “We grow poppies for morphine and codeine so one drug is available for medicinal use and another not,” Prof Mather said.

    “I’ve worked on cannabis for 40 years and from an analgesic point of view it fits in and it has fewer side effects that morphinoids (morphine-based drugs) like oxycodone which have the ability to kill, an overdose has the potential to be lethal, but you can’t overdose on cannabis,” he said.

    “The government just needs to get over its war on drugs mindset, I mean more people die from Panadol,” Prof Maher said.

    Hansen / Daily Terror

  103. Meta permalink
    June 15, 2014 4:34 pm

    (I don’t know; sometimes the global human tapestry has some barefoot-in-the-brain exponents surfing some rather knotty notions… http://www.anu.edu.au/culture/abstractions/artists/vak_4.htm

    ———————————–

    I thought a ‘lump-o’-coal was the designated official gift.)

  104. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 15, 2014 4:58 pm

    A culinary delight.

  105. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 15, 2014 5:18 pm

    I think that gifts should be state gifts [I assume that taxpayers pay for them] not personal ones. Something the incumbent can stick on a wall or to decorate the whitehouse with as a legacy of our US relations.
    Perhaps a personal gift that the president takes home should be paid out of abbott’s own pocket? When did the personal gift giving start anyway? Times sure have changed in trough snouting!

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 6:22 pm

    LOL! @ KL … agree …

  107. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 7:09 pm

    “What a stupid “gift” for the POTUS anyway …”

    Since your judgement is suspect i therefore would say it was a great gift.

    I find it strange that you people are now condemning Abbott for giving a gift. This is normal protocol that is only condemned by leftists when a Coalition PM gives a gift.

    Not when Gillard gives a gift to Obama however.

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 7:21 pm

    Since your judgement is suspect i therefore would say it was a great gift.

    No. Your judgement of my judgement is suspect – its a crap gift …

    What did Julia Gillard give to Obama?

    BTW, FYI I also said her gifts were stupid too … but I must have been wrong because my judgement is suspect … or is it your judgement of my judgement that’s suspect …

    Just who is the suspect the judge, judger or jury?

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 7:35 pm

    Gifts are normal. I remember there was some discussion when Obama went to the UK and gave a gift of American films on DVD. Apparently they were not compatible with UK DVD players. Some Americans did not like the gift.

    In contrast when Gordon Brown went to the US he gave Obama a gift of a pen made of wood made from some famous ship. I believe it was the same wood which makes the US Presidents desk but i could be wrong.

  110. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 7:41 pm

    OK I got it wrong

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1159627/To-special-friend-Gordon-25-DVDs-Obama-gives-Brown-set-classic-movies-Lets-hope-likes-Wizard-Oz.html

    The Prime Minister gave Mr Obama an ornamental pen holder made from the timbers of the Victorian anti-slave ship HMS Gannet.

    The unique present delighted Mr Obama because oak from the Gannet’s sister ship, HMS Resolute, was carved to make a desk that has sat in the Oval Office in the White House since 1880.”

  111. June 15, 2014 7:51 pm

    I really don’t see what business it is of that F**KWIT Clive Palmer to start recommending the gauge of tinfoil that lines the cubicle. #Go-Clive

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 7:52 pm

    OK I got it wrong

    Sigh ….

  113. TB Queensland permalink
    June 15, 2014 7:54 pm

    Clive’s no Fuckwit™ he’s a bwillionaire!! Most of his mines are on Aboriginal land — he knows about this stuff …

    Go Clivey!

  114. June 15, 2014 7:58 pm

    yeah, this is no surprise,

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/tony-abbott-is-no-action-man-on-climate-change

    but the language isn`t being raised to the level of `joo-liar` by timid teabag-media tho. The `spiteful` level that was blasted at the public about the negotiated watermelon govt, should be the level of venom directed at this fake, lying regime.

    (note, l was never a fan of the previous regime either)

  115. June 15, 2014 8:00 pm

    ”””’™ he’s a bwillionaire!!”””””’#exactly 🙂

  116. June 15, 2014 8:01 pm

    just teasing the resident pantie wetter 🙂

  117. egg permalink
    June 15, 2014 8:02 pm

    ‘(note, l was never a fan of the previous regime either)’

    For dog’s sake show a little backbone, pick a side and barrack for them, otherwise people will think you stand for nuffin.

  118. June 15, 2014 8:12 pm

    ”””””””””””Fifth, the government is not only repealing the carbon price but also almost every other related government policy or program, including the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, the Australian Renewable Energy Agency and the Climate Commision

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/tony-abbott-is-no-action-man-on-climate-change
    ”””””””””””’

    #this sums-up what the reheated teabags will do, dismantle

  119. June 15, 2014 8:17 pm

    ”””’backbone, pick a side””””

    dumpty, `sides` or `teams` will get me (or_Aust) nowhere,

    #excellence #intelligence #strength are the things l tend to admire

  120. egg permalink
    June 15, 2014 8:32 pm

    Few of our politicians are admirable.

    Pick three that you admire?

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 15, 2014 8:55 pm

    “OK I got it wrong

    Sigh ….”

    Why sigh deadbeat?? I remember there was a present of a pen something or other. It was actually a pen holder.

    It was a GREAT present given by the UK to America. It was made from some wood from an anti slave ship.

    It was a great present with a lot of thought.

    In contrast the USA gave in return some DVDs

    Your judgement as always is suspect.

  122. Meta permalink
    June 15, 2014 9:21 pm

    (By one account, misappropriating the Presidential Seal of Office to whip up a ‘Surfboard One’, while apparently being oblivious to the implications of obvious wave-power potentials, perhaps is the very definition of a lot of thought.)

  123. June 15, 2014 9:42 pm

    Maybe Abbott’s gets his presents where he gets his policies?

  124. A Bit Embarrassing permalink
    June 15, 2014 10:06 pm

    “What a stupid “gift” for the POTUS anyway …”

    Because Abbott is an embarrassing embarrassment who embarrassed us all with his embarrassingly embarrassing gift. How embarrassing.

  125. June 15, 2014 10:18 pm

    Not my PM.

    Not my POTUS.

  126. Problem With Democracy permalink
    June 15, 2014 10:32 pm

    “Not my PM.”

    Hawhaw. He may not be the one you wanted, but he’s the one you got.

  127. June 16, 2014 11:10 am

    Only in title. I wouldn’t piss on him.

    Don’t recall stating that I ‘wanted’ some other one either.

  128. Word Matters permalink
    June 16, 2014 11:13 am

    I recall saying “may”.

  129. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 11:30 am

    No way abbott’s forked tongue, double-speak is getting past bob brown.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/16/i-am-a-conservationist-is-tony-abbott-the-only-person-who-believes-that?CMP=twt_gu

    …’I am a conservationist’ – is Abbott the only person who believes that?
    The prime minister says he’s a conservationist and an environmentalist. I’ve heard that before, from the mouths of loggers, dam-builders and gougers of the Earth…

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 11:50 am

    Tony Abbott’s Overseas Jaunt: I call Shenanigans!
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/06/15/tony-abbotts-overseas-jaunt-i-call-shenanigans

    …It’s one thing – and quite a proper thing – to ‘straight report’ the comments of government when what government has to say is either uncontroversial, or even up for a little debate.

    But it’s another thing altogether to report government spin without question when what the government is suggesting is clearly ridiculous.

    Even more conservative Australian media couldn’t bring themselves to swallow Abbott’s spin about his international sojourn ‘hook, line and sinker’…

  131. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 1:44 pm

    I don’t quite understand the farmer’s problem with the PPL scheme. If there is a female being employed by a farmer’s business, she would be entitled to the abbott PPL wouldn’t she?

    http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/2353455/rural-groups-bemused-by-warren-truss-paid-parental-leave-consultation-claims/?cs=12

    …They fear women working on farms will be left empty-handed, while thousands of mothers in the city access up to $50,000 over six months…

    Or…are stay at home farmer’s wives supposed to be the same as people who have to leave their own home and go out to work.
    Do farmer’s wives also share in the family enterprise, would they be wanting to double dip here? If they have a baby they are quite entitled to the standard baby bonus.

  132. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 1:47 pm

    I’m thinking walrus probably has the answers to this. Are they business owners or employees of the business or stay at home mums?

    or do they want to be all of the above ❓

  133. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 2:21 pm

    ‘The anti-democratic implication of all this is clear.’

    Manne thinks people are sheep, typical leftoid intellectual.

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 2:50 pm

    Well, bugger me dead, Operations Desert Storm I & II were all about oil reserves … and we all thought it was about deposing an awful dictator and WMD’s … how silly of us**

    **sarc alert

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/16/international-news/us-oil-output-rises-middle-east-falls-apart?utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=792125&utm_campaign=kgb&modapt=

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 2:54 pm

    Happy when the real movers and shakers of the world say what I’ve been commenting on for some time now … eg

    Respected Judge Tony Fitzgerald confirmed “megalomaniacs’ are in charge in Qld

    Its like watching Sir Noddy & The Nitwits rip up an expensive handmade suit to make floor cleaning rags …

  136. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 3:08 pm

    ‘Happy when the real movers and shakers of the world say what I’ve been commenting on for some time now … eg’

    Could you spell that out for me in one clear sentence?

    I studied political science under another leftoid intellectual, the late Donald Horne, and we had a falling out over the Whitlam sacking. At the time I was on the left and argued that the masses had already made up their minds before the Murdocracy took sides.

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 3:21 pm

    At the time I was on the left and argued that the masses had already made up their minds before the Murdocracy took sides.

    you know this, how?

    didn’t the coalition block supply? and let’s not forget ‘kerr’s cur’

    I know labor say they will never block supply, but I wish they would renege in this instance.

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 3:24 pm

    Manne thinks people are sheep, typical leftoid intellectual.

    not called sheeple for nothing. All it takes is newspaper and TV station propaganda, opinion disguised as news, all papers following rupert’s dictates and he’s bought himself a puppet government. Watch tony bow to him – oh, he already has!

  139. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 3:51 pm

    ‘didn’t the coalition block supply? and let’s not forget ‘kerr’s cur’

    Yes but its a question of whether the Murdocracy was somehow instrumental in swaying public opinion.

    ‘not called sheeple for nothing.’

    The electorate is brighter than you think.

  140. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2014 4:12 pm

    “The electorate is brighter than you think.”

    Shhhhh! Don’t mention that to the latte set. Their heads will explode. Their self-image is predicated on their intellectual superiority.

  141. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 4:14 pm

    The electorate is brighter than you think.

    I don’t think so, they elected abbott didn’t they?

    Well, they were led to elect abbott, murdoch by omission, prejudice and bias, made him out to be electable,

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 4:17 pm

    Shhhhh! Don’t mention that to the latte set. Their heads will explode. Their self-image is predicated on their intellectual superiority.

    we have the living proof, PM tony abbott and his ministry!

  143. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 4:18 pm

    ‘you know this, how?’

    Australia’s political culture is left and right of centre, the Murdoch press was highlighting the miscalculations and scandals of the Labor government. That is their job in a democracy.

  144. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 16, 2014 4:24 pm

    How rotten is Unionland? Convicted fraudster Williamson was President of the Federal ALP, a member of the ALP Industrial Committee, Executive member of the ACTU, Vice President of Unions NSW, Vice President of the ALP NSW Branch, Trustee of First State Super, Director UE Pty Ltd, Director IPO Pty Ltd, Member of the Australia Day Council and Unions NSW Finance Committee.

    And although he is gone his stooges are still contesting HSU elections. Nothing ever changes in that sewer. That would be the same sewer that Gillard and Shorten were up to their necks in.

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 5:47 pm

    Suicide is not painless, Mr Morrison:
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/suicide-is-not-painless-mr-morrison,6562#.U56cNEXR7rg.twitter

  146. Meta permalink
    June 16, 2014 5:50 pm

    (Its like watching Sir Noddy & The Nitwits rip up an expensive handmade suit to make floor cleaning rags …

    Err, not exactly

    “[Attorney-General] Jarrod [Bleijie] is doing what he’s required to do: to protect the victims and not the criminals.”

    Tim Carmody’s appointment as Chief Justice ‘horrendously controversial’, Former Bar Association president Peter Davis says)

  147. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 6:14 pm

    ‘Conducted between May 2012 and March 2013, the University of the Sunshine Coast’s representative survey of 605 journalists around Australia found that more than half (51.0%) describe themselves as holding left-of-centre political views, compared with only 12.9% who consider themselves right-of-centre.

    ‘It is the first study of its kind in more than 20 years to involve such a large number of journalists, and follows on from the work of John Henningham in the early 1990s.

    ‘Our survey was conducted by telephone with carefully selected journalists from newspapers, magazines, radio and television stations, online news sites and news agency AAP, as a sample of the 8000 to 10,000 journalists in Australia today.’

    Sunshine Coast Daily

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 16, 2014 6:14 pm

    …and people complain about budgie smugglers!!

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/the-new-menswear-trend-we-wish-wed-never-seen/story-fnjev484-1226955767115

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 6:31 pm

    I know labor say they will never block supply, but I wish they would renege in this instance.

    Yeah, me too … its seems they keep agreements with each other better than they do with the voters!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That would be the same sewer that Gillard and Shorten were up to their necks in.

    I’m disappointed, sb, I was expecting you to weave in a reference to socialists and communists, Marx, Lenin and Stalin …

    Arseholes are arseholes and they creep about in all organisations where money and power are the main commodity … I feel for the members … its their union and their money the leeches have stolen … just another case of Robber Barons at work …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Err, not exactly…

    Chuckle … went to the link, M, and confess it took me a while … WTF has that to do with my comment? I thought … then realised it has to be taken as a whole … with the rest … ie victim/crims, LOL! Bleijie really is a naïve lad … just who are the “victims” … chuckle … eye of the beholder …

    Probably more like Sir Noddy & The Nitwits trying to sew a suit with floor cleaning cloths …

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 6:33 pm

    Conducted between May 2012 and March 2013, the University of the Sunshine Coast’s representative survey of 605 journalists around Australia found that more than half (51.0%) describe themselves as holding left-of-centre political views, compared with only 12.9% who consider themselves right-of-centre.

    How many were actually employed?

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 6:35 pm

    Yeah, I saw that story, ToM … sreb, would probably wear one … I reckon he’d be an exhibitionist have few inhibitions …

  152. June 16, 2014 6:45 pm

    ” sreb, would probably wear one ”

    Pfft! Strikes me as more of a QLD thing….

    You’d cut a dashing figure in one TB! 🙂

  153. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 6:45 pm

    ‘How many were actually employed?’

    Is that relevant?

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 7:04 pm

    Just arrived in my in-box …

    An Israeli doctor says: “In Israel, medicine is so advanced that we cut off a man’s testicles, put them on another man and in six weeks he is looking for work.”

    The German doctor says: “That is nothing, in Germany we take part of a man’s brain, put it into another man and in four weeks he is looking for work.”

    The Russian doctor says: “Gentlemen, we take half a heart from a man, put it in another’s chest and in two weeks he is looking for work.”

    The Australian doctor laughs: “You’re all way behind us. Eight months ago, we took a man with no balls, no heart and no brain and made him Prime Minister.

    Now the whole country is looking for work!”

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 7:07 pm

    You’d cut a dashing figure in one TB!

    Couldn’t afford one, sreb … as you well know!

    And FYI, we cover up in summer … we actually see the sun all year … not once a week like Melbourne … 😉

    ‘How many were actually employed?’

    Is that relevant?

    ‘Cause it seems that only the 12.9% who consider themselves right-of-centre. are writing shit … duh!

    Just another loaded survey – what constitutes a “journalist” anyway?

  156. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 7:34 pm

    ‘Just another loaded survey – what constitutes a “journalist” anyway?’

    You have the potential, as do most of the staff at Trash, and at least half are left of centre. The universities have been churning out left wing Communications students for a couple of decades or more, just sayin’.

    ‘Cause it seems that only the 12.9% who consider themselves right-of-centre. are writing shit … duh!’

    Not exactly, a third sit on the fence and hunt for the best stories. Those journalists know that politicians of all persuasions are prone to human weakness and corrupt practice, so the journalist and helpful reporters do their job free of personal political bias.

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    June 16, 2014 7:43 pm

    egg, egg, egg … you can be so cereal sometimes …

  158. egg permalink
    June 16, 2014 8:01 pm

    Its my preferred MO.

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 9:43 pm

    hahaha tomM, that made me laugh, I dare you to wear one! They don’t really look comfortable do they?

    And although he is gone his stooges are still contesting HSU elections. Nothing ever changes in that sewer. That would be the same sewer that Gillard and Shorten were up to their necks in.

    yes sb, none of it is pretty and it just reinforces to me that labor and liberal are equally corrupt. Labor uses the unions as a slush and the libs use business and lobbyists. I don’t think that either of them can claim any moral high ground. They have both ensured that there are no federal funding rules deliberately to ensure their corruption can flourish unimpeded. Which is why we have no pokies reforms, food labelling & financial industry reforms and our environment is being ravaged by profiteers.
    I think there needs to be something like a federal ICAC and perhaps a RC into political fundraising and lobbying. I don’t hold my breath for that. Corruption of political parties, politicians and industry players is the single most damaging issue in our democracy.

    How can it be cleaned up? I suggest federal ICAC and real jail time, that will be the only way I can see to stop it.

  160. June 16, 2014 10:32 pm

    What constitutes a Journalist? Well funny you ask that.. I had very strict rule as editor when my staff blurred, crossed or was in any doubt where the line between opinion and fact crossed. Anything that was fact was double checked for source by a second person and I has a strict strike if in doubt rule. We were a News service as distinct from our talk back or forum programs. People should expect News to be news without fear or favor, If something turns out to be false never the less it is news and it is upon the Journalist to discover the truth and report it irrespective.

    The problem with most contemporary journalists is they want to be opinion writers and do not have the research or lateral thinking ability to substantiate and piece they write which is usually cut and paste from bureau articles without substantive checking.

  161. June 16, 2014 10:43 pm

    Closing Q and A tonight “One piece of advice on how to sell this budget”
    Well nothing really, some things you cant roll in glitter and this budget is shit…. Yep true dat 🙂

  162. June 16, 2014 11:08 pm

    Here is an excellent example of Journalism as opposed to opinion with agenda.. using misleading statistics to make false claims which are tantamount to lies…

    Big Tobacco

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 16, 2014 11:50 pm

    Conducted between May 2012 and March 2013, the University of the Sunshine Coast’s representative survey of 605 journalists around Australia found that more than half (51.0%) describe themselves as holding left-of-centre political views, compared with only 12.9% who consider themselves right-of-centre.

    The study also found [i found a link that you failed to provide]
    http://theconversation.com/whose-views-skew-the-news-media-chiefs-ready-to-vote-out-labor-while-reporters-lean-left-13995
    Whose views skew the news? Media chiefs ready to vote out Labor, while reporters lean left:

    …Yet, among those who arguably matter most – the journalists in senior editorial ranks who have the most power to decide news agendas – a dramatically different picture emerged.

    Among the 83 senior editors who took part in the survey, the Coalition was the party of choice on 43.2%, followed by Labor (34.1%) and the Greens (11.4%)…

    So, journalists may self identify as left of centre [not sure how the centre is defined] but
    1] they have no power to print their views and the news bosses are framing the debates
    2]or the journos write in a professional, balanced manner and their political views are not apparent.

    Now for the real question, where is the study of total published news articles in that same timeframe so that we can see which political viewpoint has dominated in the media.

  164. June 17, 2014 12:35 am

    Hnnnnnn….duuuuuuh…….errrrm, Abbott…..bluuuurt…….

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/16/tony-abbott-fears-terrorist-state-iraq

  165. June 17, 2014 12:57 am

    Other people who give god a lower case ‘g’ when the idea must be utilised in a sentence…

    Y’all can say a prayer, throw a penny down the wishing well, apparently…

  166. egg permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:18 am

    ‘while in regional areas, 44.4% would vote for the Coalition.’

    I accept that, but as Fairfax rules the roost there is no deviation from the true path.

  167. egg permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:26 am

    ‘where is the study of total published news articles in that same timeframe so that we can see which political viewpoint has dominated in the media.’

    Good question, to which there is probably no definitive answer.

  168. egg permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:34 am

    Media Watch and Barry in particular is steeped in left wing bias.

  169. egg permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:41 am

    City and bush out of sync.

    ‘The electorates of Nationals MPs will be hit hard by cuts to Family Tax Benefit B announced in the budget, but few voters in those seats are in line to receive paid parental leave.

    ‘The cuts to single-income family tax benefits and the generous payments to working mothers in the cities threaten to inflame relations between the Liberals and the Nationals over Tony Abbott’s PPL scheme.’

    Maher / Oz

  170. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:44 am

    we have the living proof, PM tony abbott and his ministry!

    Exhibit A, B and C 😉

    Media Watch and Barry in particular is steeped in left wing bias.

    You really don’t have a clue do you.

    OK, it’s a fair cop. I admit the crime.

    I only voted Liberal at the last election as a cover.

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3937354.htm

  171. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:46 am

    Every now and then MW provides us with an exception to their normal approach and condemns blatant examples of ABC and Fairfax bias:

    On Friday, Wilson’s evidence to the commission was front page news in The Australian and the Telegraph.

    But it was nowhere to be seen on the cover of these Fairfax papers.

    And amazingly it was missing entirely from the previous evening’s 7pm bulletins on ABC TV in Brisbane, Adelaide, Hobart and Darwin.

    The day before, when evidence was given about wads of cash being handed to Ms Gillard to fund her home renovations … ABC TV’s 7pm bulletins in three of those capitals also failed to report the news.

    While in Sydney it was down the bottom of the bulletin just before the sport.

    The Australian’s Hedley Thomas has been leading the charge on this story for a couple of years.

    The ABC has done little and has long been accused of refusing to investigate.

  172. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:46 am

    using misleading statistics to make false claims which are tantamount to lies…

    There was nothing “tantamount” to it, they were out and out lies, evidenced by the fact that the oo kept pushing the line AFTER the “mistake” was highlighted.

    Was fun watching the defense of it here though 😉

  173. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:58 am

    The Australian’s Hedley Thomas has been leading the charge on this story for a couple of years.

    And what has he “discovered’?

  174. June 17, 2014 9:01 am

    Media Watch and Barry in particular is steeped in left wing bias.

    Mediawatch? You are fucking kidding right….. Maybe throw that ridiculously unsubstantiated ABC bias out to the shithouse where it belongs, Has it ever occured to you that media watch is in fact Run by Paul Barry, a liberal voting right winger?

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/media-watch-offers-another-surprise-paul-barry-admits-he-did-vote-liberal/story-fni0cx4q-1226817592591

    So this is left wing bias is it? I call it real Journalism exposing fake Journalism

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4026465.htm

  175. June 17, 2014 9:05 am

    Obama has sent in the Cavalry…. Hold the phone prediction: Abbott will use this to send us back in as it is the only chance to save his sinking ship

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/obama-iraq_n_5492117.html

  176. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 9:15 am

    Hold the phone prediction: Abbott will use this to send us back in

    Jesus, he’s already sent us in back in the US until Obama said “not yet”

    He’s at the bit just itchin’

    Mind you, the second time we went was a f*&kin disaster from the outset, and this was probably always on the cards. I mean, it’s not like they weren’t warned when the coalition of the fully armed went off half cocked last time 😯

  177. June 17, 2014 9:30 am

    BTW, I am now back in Australia… Did you miss me?

  178. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 9:38 am

    Did you miss me?

    Obviously.

    You didn’t say “Ow” 😉

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 9:43 am

    Of course we missed you, silly boy. The Cafe has closed and that masterful troll Tom R has blown in to lively up the place. But everyone has been getting too serious.Looking forward to a nice big serving of suitably tart comments.

  180. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 9:47 am

    masterful troll

    masterful? 😯

  181. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 9:49 am

    “…………..using misleading statistics to make false claims which are tantamount to lies…”

    That’s interesting last week we were using statistics drawn directly from ABS tables.

    **************AHHHH………MURDOCH OWNS THE ABS..***********************

    SQUAWKS THE MAD LEFT

  182. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 9:51 am

    That’s interesting last week we were using statistics drawn directly from ABS tables.

    To show that the figures given to the oo were incorrect, or misleading at the best.

  183. June 17, 2014 9:57 am

    That’s interesting last week we were using statistics drawn directly from ABS tables.
    **************AHHHH………MURDOCH OWNS THE ABS..***********************

    Hey Wally here’s some good stats for ya 🙂

    Newspoll ( Owned by Murdoch) has Labor at 53 and the LNP at 47. Morgan has Labor at 55.5 And the LNP at 45.5. According to Newspoll 61% are dissatisfied with the way the PM is doing his job

  184. June 17, 2014 9:59 am

    Thank you.

    One of the funniest things I witnessed overseas, was this Australian guy speaking fluent Cantonese to the waiter in a Chinese restaurant in Penang.

    We were having dinner with him and his wife. We haven’t known them for very long, so I was very impressed that he could speak the local lingo so fluently, which, admittedly made me feel a bit inadequate cos I only know a word or two.

    Afterwards I said to my partner, Gee it’s pretty amazing that Tony can speak fluent Cantonese, and he said:

    “Are you kidding? The waiter had no idea what he was saying, I had to explain what we were ordering – his Cantonese is incomprehensible!”

    Much amusement.

    I think I might try that next time. We’ll have the chicken shur soo fan mee with the pork hun far too low.

    The waiter just nodded and smiled politely.

  185. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:01 am

    “Hey Wally here’s some good stats for ya …………..””

    LOL…………….Ricky……….please wake me from my calm when we are 3 months out from an election and our primary vote is hovering around 25 to 28%.

    I actually think that the 2PP is quite good considering the backlash against the Budget.

  186. egg permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:02 am

    ‘You really don’t have a clue do you.’

    Is Barry right wing?

  187. egg permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:09 am

    ‘…with the pork hun far too low.’

    ** chuckle ** Welcome back squire.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:09 am

    BTW, I am now back in Australia… Did you miss me?

    Seemed like you were here all the time … just looking over my shoulder 🙂

    BTW … I checked the new swimming togs out don’t make ’em in my size … way too small … they reckon I’d get arrested (‘scuse the pun) …

    Abbott will use this to send us back in as it is the only chance to save his sinking ship

    If he does it’ll actually torpedo it!

  189. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:14 am

    Is Barry right wing?

    Who said that?

    I actually think that the 2PP is quite good considering the backlash against the Budget.

    Yes. They should be way down on that collection of festering turds. Mind you, a lot of this actually will start hitting pockets around election time. Not real bright, just what people need, a reminder. Of course, the danger is, the doom and gloom gets all ramped up, people fearing how bad off they will be But, a lot of the real bad ones might get blocked, meaning people won’t be as bad off as predicted, which of course will be reported as “what was all the fuss about”.

    If/when things are blocked, Labor need to SHOUT out what has been saved from peoples pockets.

  190. June 17, 2014 10:16 am
  191. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:23 am

    Apparently my chances of dying are rather high………………..

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/find-out-how-you-will-die-in-our-exclusive-australian-survey/story-fneuz9ev-1226956335335

  192. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:32 am

    The ABC has done little and has long been accused of refusing to investigate.

    Pretty much how I felt about the lack of reporting on the coalition involvement in the slipper stitch up and the lack of investigative reporting into jackson, lawler and the libs [jackson due to appear in TURC to answer for $1million] surrounding the thomson saga. Also how I feel about the lack of reporting here on the murdoch phone hacking trial which has wrapped up recently in the UK.

  193. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:34 am

    Now here’s an interesting table on how much tax each income group pays…………………..if you are trying to get to sleep tonight

    https://data.gov.au/dataset/95d9e550-8b36-4273-8df7-2b76c140e73a/resource/cabdb296-2e95-4413-8f5c-01687600e6f6/download/taxstats2012individual14percentiledistributionoftaxableindividuals

  194. June 17, 2014 10:40 am

    Apparently my chances of dying are rather high………………..

    That salad at the bottom of the page looks nice , would be better with some bacon in it though 🙂

    Is Barry right wing?

    Ahh Yeah Derr Ya think?? You better rethink that argument.. Egg. That frivolous argument about ABC your bias just dissolved quicker than the minister for vaginal discharge’s already microscopic credibility.

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:46 am

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/16/tony-abbott-fears-terrorist-state-iraq

    Quick, to the boatphone [remember that comedy gold]

    Wouldn’t he love to ape-walk us into another war, if there is bipartisanship on that, I reckon we should sack the lot of them.

    Wow, who knew that this would happen! 🙄

    “you break it, you fix it”

  196. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:50 am

    Wow, who knew that this would happen!

    Kinda spooky aint it 😦

    But, who’d ever wanna say “told ya so”?

  197. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:53 am

    Apparently my chances of dying are rather high …

    Of what – BS …? 🙂

    Silly survey actually – mine was accidental death and heart/stroke … I can’t control other people that want to do stupid things, but I spent a couple of decades training people in risk assessment/management and heart issues are under control …

    Where was the “quietly in your sleep” option … typical news crap … keep ’em amused, titillated or frightened and they’ll come back for more …

  198. egg permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:53 am

    ‘Ahh Yeah Derr Ya think??’

    It was a rhetorical question.

  199. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:54 am

  200. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:54 am

    HILLARY CLINTON: I’m not going to name names. I mean, that’s really for the Australian people to judge. But the overall impact – and I saw online the speech that Prime Minister Gillard gave about misogyny, was very striking to me because she did go chapter and verse. And again, this is not about whether you approve of, voted for or had any affinity with the positions that she put forward. I just don’t think there’s a place for sexism in our politics and I think we should be purging those kinds of comments and holding ourselves to a higher standard.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s4026461.htm

    Here’s me thinking that Hilary Clinton basically calling our pm a misogynist would be news or something? Instead, we have more front pages of accusations from the libs witch hunt.

    And these muppets wonder why they are losing money?

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:02 am

  202. Soup permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:04 am

    “We’ll have the chicken shur soo fan mee with the pork hun far too low.”

    They say the Cream Of Sum Yung Gai is quite good also.

  203. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:05 am

    “Here’s me thinking that Hilary Clinton basically calling our pm a misogynist would be news or something?”

    Alternatively perhaps no one actually gives a toss about Hillary Clinton’s interpretation of a few Twitter feeds or wherever she got her info from.

    Does she talk about Peter Slipper too ?

    Thought not.

    She does have a rather perculiar way of storing the books in her office.

    She stands them on end (nothing strange there) and rather weirdly they all face out at the camera.

    Oh look………………………………..they all have her photo on the cover……………………and she’s talking about Australia to an Australian reporter……………………what a coincindence.

    Perhaps her book is being published in Australia………………ya think so ?

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:05 am

    Tony Abbott has warned that Iraq could become a terrorist state, as Australia continues talks with the US on how to handle escalating tensions in the country.

    Leave it alone, Tone …

    This is just Europe in the 17th Century … Sunni = Catholics … Shia = Protestants …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

    Leave ’em alone, let ’em get on with it … while they are fighting amongst themselves they’re leaving us alone …

    None of the Middle Eastern countries are actually our neighbours nor our “friends” … oil as I read recently is no longer an issue …

    This is really the storming stage of the middle eastern group dynamics … we will interfere at our peril …

    Just more proof that history does repeat itself …

    (Obama has just committed more troops on the ground – apparently – 100 to protect the embassy and green zone …

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:06 am

    They say the Cream Of Sum Yung Gai is quite good also.

    Whoooooo0000000!

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:10 am

    Does she talk about Peter Slipper too ?

    Where does your mind wander?

    Hilary C is a potential candidate for POTUS … even Abbott is in a different league to the Speaker of the House internationally …

    Strange peeples abide here …

  207. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:11 am

    Did Julia work through the night to finish in time? 😯

    What a fucken crock.

  208. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:11 am

    “………Leave ‘em alone, let ‘em get on with it … while they are fighting amongst themselves they’re leaving us alone … ”

    Yep…………………..let em kill each other until moderation eventually prevails.

    Just drop a few bombs on them if they venture their murderous ways into our neck of the woods.

    As long as they cant separate Religion and State at least to a Western standard they’ll just continue to spill blood.

    Best to walk away and leave ém to it

  209. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:13 am

    “Where does your mind wander?”

    To the events in the HoR that very afternoon of Gillard’s pathetic speech.

    Yet again you conveniently forget the context I see

  210. June 17, 2014 11:14 am

    “They say the Cream Of Sum Yung Gai is quite good also.”

    I think I’ve had that before.

  211. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:17 am

    “None of the Middle Eastern countries are actually our neighbours nor our “friends” …”

    It reminds me of that movie “Predator Versus Alien”

    Who do you barrack for ?

  212. June 17, 2014 11:18 am

    How could anyone possibly defend that Rabbit is anything but a misogynist? Glaringly obvious Billboard surrounded by Neon..

    “I will make myself Minister for Women’s affairs to prove a point, because you don’t have to have a vagina to make decisions for woman, I just don’t accept that premise”

    I do not think you could possibly demonstrate the polar opposite of what he thinks such stupidity was going to achieve in trying to prove he is not a misogynist by being the quintessential arrogant misogynist in personifying the essence of misogyny… I guess he just does and will never get it as the archetype misogynist.

  213. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:20 am

    Yet again you conveniently forget the context I see

    I think you will find it was our local media who missed the “context”. Deliberately, or are they just stupid? I know my opinion on that one.

    On the conduct of Mr Slipper, and on the text messages that are in the public domain, I have seen the press reports of those text messages. I am offended by their content. I am offended by their content because I am always offended by sexism. I am offended by their content because I am always offended by statements that are anti-women.

    I am offended by those things in the same way that I have been offended by things that the Leader of the Opposition has said, and no doubt will continue to say in the future. Because if this today was an exhibition of his new feminine side, well I don’t think we’ve got much to look forward to in terms of changed conduct.

    I am offended by those text messages. But I also believe, in terms of this Parliament making a decision about the speakership, that this Parliament should recognise that there is a court case in progress. That the judge has reserved his decision, that having waited for a number of months for the legal matters surrounding Mr Slipper to come to a conclusion, that this Parliament should see that conclusion.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/transcript-of-julia-gillards-speech-20121010-27c36.html#ixzz34r4rbJ13

  214. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:33 am

    As long as they cant separate Religion and State at least to a Western standard they’ll just continue to spill blood.

    yeah, ‘a western standard’ where we have a forced funding of religion at gigantic proportions. Political parties making agreements with religious lobbies about legislation over the wishes of the people. Religious MPs throughout our political system imposing their religious views upon the electorate. MPs refusing to do the bidding of their constituents by giving themselves a ‘conscience’ vote. Forced taxpayer funding of private religious schools. No financial accountability of religious institutions.

    We really separate religion and state 🙄

    What does IMF data say about Australia’s spending and net debt?
    http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2014/June/NetDebtandSpending

  215. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:33 am

    “I am offended by those things in the same way that I have been offended by things that the Leader of the Opposition has said, and no doubt will continue to say in the future.”

    Does she say when Abbott compared female genitalia to shell fish ?

  216. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:35 am

    Does she say when Abbott compared female genitalia to shell fish ?

    Trying to ignore the “context” too I see 😉

    I do recall a certain menu though……

  217. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:37 am

    Words of a weasel: “I am offended by those text messages. But…”

  218. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:37 am

    How would Australia have fared without the spending though AO?

  219. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:38 am

    Kitty

    Even the Irish have achieved some degree of Peace.

    I don’t think you can really compare a Western democracy (with some leftover facets of religious funding which people get to vote upon anyway) to the way the Middle East governs itself.

  220. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:39 am

    “I do recall a certain menu though……”

    Prepared by Tony Abbott was it…………………..otherwise you still have no point

  221. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:41 am

    Government Net Debt……………………………..Hillarious

    How about Gross ?

    That’s what we pay interest on

  222. June 17, 2014 11:42 am

    Roll it in Glitter dip it in chocolate… examine it out of context or in the pocket.. This is a not a label, this is the essence of the DNA of Abbotts character. He is by his actions and attitudes unequivocally beyond doubt a misogynist and “Minister for women’s affairs” stunt is conformation not obliteration of this indisputable fact.

  223. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:43 am

    Typical Unionland response – distract, downplay and bash the Labor rat. Anyone with the temerity to expose Unionland corruption is the lowest of the low – right KL?

  224. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:44 am

    Words of a weasel

    You mean someone who ignores the “context”?

    Prepared by Tony Abbott was it

    The same blue ties at least

  225. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:49 am

    “You mean someone who ignores the “context”?”

    No, I mean a stinking hypocrite and her chorus of sycophants.

  226. June 17, 2014 11:58 am

    When a Fiberal say Take O Fence.. It usually means this:

  227. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:59 am

    No, I mean a stinking hypocrite and her chorus of sycophants.

    Anything BUT the “context” hey? 😉

  228. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 12:02 pm

    The evidence this morning is that Jackson did not misuse union funds in relation to the transactions examined.

    Yet scum out there continue to slander her. That would be the very same scum who gave Thomson the benefit of every doubt. Those “people” just make me want to vomit.

  229. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 12:04 pm

    the hypocrites calling hypocrisy, ya gotta love it

    • “If it’s true, Stavros, that men have more power generally speaking than women, is that a bad thing?”

    • but what if men are by physiology or temperament, more adapted to exercise authority or to issue command?”

    “I think it’s very hard to deny that there is an underrepresentation of women,” to which the Leader of the Opposition says, “But now, there’s an assumption that this is a bad thing.”
    • “Abortion is the easy way out.”
    • “What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing…”

    “If the Prime Minister wants to, politically speaking, make an honest woman of herself…”
    • stood next to a sign that said “Ditch the witch.”

    the Leader of the Opposition stood next to a sign that described me as a man’s bitch
    • and I quote, “Every day the Prime Minister stands in this Parliament to defend this Speaker will be another day of shame for this Parliament, another day of shame for a government which should already have died of shame.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/transcript-of-julia-gillards-speech-20121010-27c36.html#ixzz34rG1sSDH

  230. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 12:05 pm

    “Anything BUT the “context” hey?”

    No. The exact context, in fact. Gillard was keeping her mysoginist in office while at the very same time shrieking misogyny at Abbott.

  231. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 12:07 pm

    Yeah, I know. She is a complete hypocrite.

  232. June 17, 2014 12:10 pm

    Splatter I agree 98% with you. But I must say Jackson and her Beau are far from clean skins they are political animals. She is holding Thomo’s balls Frank Thring Style in front of a pretty vicious audience of detractors armed with tomatoes. Her intentions, although honourable were in part self serving. I tip my hat to her tenacity.

  233. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 12:17 pm

    It may still transpire that Jackson has committed some offence. But there is no compelling evidence of this yet. In the meantime people making excuses for Thomson long after there was very credible evidence about his misdeeds are bashing the shit out of Jackson. Purely because she has broken the Unionland code of silence.

  234. June 17, 2014 12:17 pm

    I thinks Slipper is a Bisexual chauvinist (a hedged better)… or his actions displayed chauvinism at best…a different animal from a life long purposed misogynist by virtue of a legacy of actions.

  235. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 12:26 pm

    Gillard was keeping her mysoginist in office while the court case proceeded. The Parliaments hands were essentially tied, as was pointed out at the time, but ignored by a media looking for a “context” that just wasn’t there

    http://dragonistasblog.com/2012/10/10/this-time-the-msm-got-it-right/#comment-1850

    The “context” was that a sexist pig was calling another sexist pig a sexist pig.

    Gillard merely highlighted the hypocrisy of it all

    But whenever people make up their minds about those questions, what I won’t stand for, what I will never stand for is the Leader of the Opposition coming into this place and peddling a double standard. Peddling a standard for Mr Slipper he would not set for himself. Peddling a standard for Mr Slipper he has not set for other members of his frontbench.

    Peddling a standard for Mr Slipper that has not been acquitted by the people who have been sent out to say the vilest and most revolting things like his former Shadow Parliamentary Secretary Senator Bernardi.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/transcript-of-julia-gillards-speech-20121010-27c36.html#ixzz34rLPnJ6f

  236. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 12:34 pm

    “The Parliaments hands were essentially tied”

    Hahahahahahaha!

  237. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2014 12:39 pm

    I think ‘misogyny’ is too severe a term for what would have previously been called ‘sexist’. I’ve no doubt that Abbott (as illustrated by his comments) is sexist in that 1950s/catholic way. But ‘misogynist’ is a stretch.

  238. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 12:50 pm

    “…a different animal from a life long purposed misogynist by virtue of a legacy of actions.”

    At worst Abbott is just an old school male brought up and educated in a household that no longer fits in with todays “perfect” household’s and acts accordingly.

    In fact he’s probably fairly representative of a lot of 1950/60s baby boomers. He might not have “moved on” from those values as quickly as most of his generation and those later ones but that does not mean he’s a misogynist.

    Fuck me dead most of those who fought in WW1 and WW2 would be judged as misogynists based on current standards.

    In fact I recall up until the mid 1960s my father pulling up in the FJ outside city and country pubs and bringing out a middy of shandy for my mum (women were banned from some pubs) whilst she waited with us kids in the car whilst he went and had a few schooners before heading wherever.

    Obviously all publicans up until the late 1960s were misogynists

  239. June 17, 2014 12:58 pm

    ‘misogynist’ is a stretch.

    Tom normally I would also argue the toss or in this case the Tosser… Misogynist is a tall call. This is a deep character floor routed in Abbott since his late teens. He has consistently displayed sexism and chauvinism all his life. This is the distinction, his attitude and actions over his lifetime. One may do something that displays or can be construed as sexiist, however when it’s rooted deeply in your philosophical thinking to the point where you make yourself minister for “women’s” affairs to do nothing more than prove a point as a backhander to detractors… its just the stuff of a megalomaniac who is illustrating his misogyny, rather than being sexist.

    If he had not none this he would still be in the grey zone for mine but such actions are a powerful insight into the poor judgement and underlying character flaws displaying just how unworthy this man is of his elected high office.

  240. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 1:04 pm

    But ‘misogynist’ is a stretch.

    Under your 1950’s definition, perhaps. But some of us at least pretend to be contemporary 😉

    At worst Abbott is just an old school male brought up and educated in a household that no longer fits in with todays “perfect” household’s and acts accordingly.

    At best you mean. And, nice try to attempt to defend his obvious misogyny as just being a product of his spoilt upbringing. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could have elected someone who actually grew up instead of remaining the obnoxious, sexist twerp his pampering produced.

  241. June 17, 2014 1:09 pm

    “its just the stuff of a megalomaniac who is illustrating his misogyny, rather than being sexist.”

    I agree 100%

    It’s like trying to have a conversation with a dog botherer.

    These are people who are too far gone to have a rational conversation with.

    I used to engage with them when I was young and antagonistic, but now I can’t be bothered. Life’s just too short.

    These days, if I encounter right wing nutjobs or religious types at dinner parties I’m inclined to think that it’s more polite to explain to them that I think that their ideas and opinions are so fundamentally fucked and so far removed from my sphere of reality that there is probably nothing to be gained from engaging in any form of conversation and it would be a complete waste of our time to do so.

    It’s frank but fair.

    Admittedly it has cost me a couple of friendships, but then, the way I look at it, I wouldn’t want to have them as friends anyway, so it’s really a win-win when you think about it.

    And besides, the expression of their faces is priceless! 🙂

  242. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 1:13 pm

    And besides, the expression of their faces is priceless!

    ROFL

    To be a fly on the wall reb 🙂

  243. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2014 1:27 pm

    So what’s the difference between a ‘sexist’ and a ‘misogynist’ under the modern definition?

    Is there some way or word to describe a traditional ‘misogynist’? Or are they now described as ‘very misogynist’?

  244. June 17, 2014 1:31 pm

    It was actually Armchair Opinionator who put me up to it Tom… 🙂

    I was at this dinner party with what I’d call a pack of the Royal Doulton type of homosexuals..

    This old queen in his tweed jacket and loafers started moaning about “all these boat people” wanting to get into Australia, and only a Liberal government could “stop the boats.”

    It was around the time of the election.

    He clearly felt that somehow he was amongst like-minded individuals, and the more he ranted about how good the Howard government was, the more other people in the room fell silent and we all started to look awkwardly at each other.

    Being the shy and unassuming type that I am, I eventually decided that I’d had a gutsful and interrupted him with “Look I’m not prepared to sit here and listen to your bullshit anymore. These are desperate people fleeing desperate circumstances, and besides 90% of them are found to be genuine refugees anyway so what exactly is your point?”

    At this point he looked horrified that anyone should dare challenge him, and his little boyfriend piped up with “But Howard did stop the boats, and they’re coming here to take all our jobs and the government should look after Australians first”.

    Meanwhile the old guy looked like he was having a heart attack.

    Oh that’s just a load of crap and straight out of the Liberal Party handbook I said.

    And then I decided to let it go.

    But I did feel very pleased with myself. And let’s face it, that’s all that really matters.

  245. June 17, 2014 1:32 pm

    “So what’s the difference between a ‘sexist’ and a ‘misogynist’ under the modern definition?”

    I give up.

    What is it?

  246. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 17, 2014 1:41 pm

    There isn’t a difference anymore. The sisterhood at the Macquarie Dictionary changed the definition.

  247. June 17, 2014 1:50 pm

    Misogyny is more a career or lifestyle choice.. Its a quest and fucking hard to attain… Sexism is more a pattern of behavior like chauvinism.. So take sexism (non gender specific) and chauvinism and work really hard at it and you have attained misogyny… Its like the grand Pooh bah, high priest, cardinal, Yota of your garden variety sexist Chauvinist. Highest anti vaginal contempt of the highest order. 🙂

  248. A Decade Late permalink
    June 17, 2014 1:53 pm

    LEXICOGRAPHERS at the Oxford English Dictionary said that Australia’s Macquarie Dictionary was merely catching up by expanding the meaning of misogyny.

    The move by Macquarie to expand the meaning of misogyny to include “entrenched prejudice against women”, following Julia Gillard’s description of Tony Abbott as a misogynist, has caused some indignation this week, with Liberal frontbencher Chrisopher Pyne saying that it undermined the Macquarie “in its entirety”.

    But John Simpson, chief editor of the OED, the world’s most respected dictionary, told The Australian: “We reviewed our evidence for the Oxford English Dictionary entry about ten years ago and decided that on the basis of modern usage we should expand the definition to include a reference to ‘prejudice against women’.”

    Taking the opportunity for a slight dig at his Australian rival, Mr Simpson added: “Dictionaries are always monitoring the language, and I’m glad to see that Macquarie is on the ball here now!”

  249. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 1:53 pm

    He clearly felt that somehow he was amongst like-minded individuals

    What do you wear to these outings then reb 😉

    But thanks for letting us all be a fly for a bit.

    The sisterhood at the Macquarie Dictionary changed the definition.

    I think the term you are looking for is “modernised” SB 😉

  250. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2014 1:55 pm

    “How would Australia have fared without the spending though AO?

    Tom R
    Name me one Labor govt that has ever paid off any govt debt either State or Federal??

    You lot blasted Costello for running surplus budgets. Costello should have been spending on this that or whatever

    Labor supporters are claiming credit for something they could never do.

  251. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 17, 2014 2:12 pm

    Calling a ‘sexist’ (who likes women) a ‘misogynist’ seems odd. But maybe I’m just old fashioned.

  252. June 17, 2014 2:12 pm

    “What do you wear to these outings then reb”

    Nothing too over the top Tom. My colonial nautical look often proves popular….

  253. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2014 2:23 pm

    Tom R

    You really are a candidate for the lowest scum on earth.

    And what would have the debt been in Keating did not lose office in 1996??

    Govt debt tripled from 1983-1996. And would have tripled again if Keating was in power.

    Peter Costello took govt debt to fro 20% of GDP to -3.8% of GDP in 2007. That is right MINUS 3.8% of GDP.

  254. June 17, 2014 2:34 pm

    Nice Reb… I like it are they pantaloons?

    TomR.. do not feed the trolls… concentrate on Rebs ensemble.

    Tom I think a Megalomaniac sexist that makes himself Minister for “women” to prove a point has crossed the bridge, because if he genuinely liked women and held any regard or empathy as such.. he would never consider such a heinous act of misogyny.

  255. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2014 2:47 pm

    Tom R

    Of all the corrupt ALP supporters who post you are the worst.

    Name me one ALP govt that has ever paid off any debt?? State or Federal?

    The ALP gets us into debt because that what socialists do.

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

  256. egg permalink
    June 17, 2014 2:47 pm

    ‘The latest Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian, also reveals Tony Abbott and Bill Shorten are both less popular today than they were before the budget, with the immediate post-budget surge in support for the Opposition Leader faltering.’

    Lewis / Oz

  257. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2014 2:55 pm

    What gets me about these leftoid deadbeats like Tom R is that they abused the crap out of Costello for running surplus budgets. Costello should have been spending they proclaim.

    When Costello got our Federal govt debt below 10% of GDP in 2003 we got our AAA credit rating back which we lost under Hawke/Keating.

    Pieces of filth like Tom R now want to brag about our low govt debt. Something the ALP has never done and will never do.

    Tom R is a pathological liar like Craig Thompson.

  258. Tom R permalink
    June 17, 2014 2:58 pm

    concentrate on Rebs ensemble.

    I’m trying my best to wipe it from my memory as we speak

    Looks like nils having a bad day. Maybe he doesn’t like to be reminded of tabots innate MISOGYGY 😉

  259. June 17, 2014 3:26 pm
  260. June 17, 2014 3:27 pm

    Tom He wants to go staggering down absent memory lane again tripping over his own truth.. just let it go. that Jacket is fetching Reb,, nice wattle…

    A chauvinist or sexist may not necessarily hate women… The Minister of Women has taken a government ministerial appointment and used it as a bitchslap to the detractors of his twisted thinking that he needs no empathy to decide what is appropriate for a woman’s best interests , despite having many women within the coalition ranks capable of the job. This is a man who called himself a feminist… he’s a sick fuck. That is the international poster boy for misogyny, using an office created to empower women’s equality and representation of distictly female issues as a tool for his own twisted ideology….

  261. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2014 4:03 pm

    Memory lane is important.

    Nobody should forget what damage the socialist deadbeats did to Australia when in power.

    Tens of thousands of people from UNHCR camps were denied places in Australia because of Reb, Ricky, Tom R, TB and all the other deadbeats who voted for Rudd.

    But these people will never admit they never did anything wrong. Furthermore they do not care.

  262. June 17, 2014 4:16 pm

    “these people will never admit they never did anything wrong.”

    You are employing a double negative in that statement, which in fact, in turn means the reverse of what you are attempting to say about “these people.”

    By way of explanation, in Standard English, double negatives in a single clause cancel each other out and transform the meaning into a positive.

    Consider the following example,

    Double Negative: I don’t want no education.

    Translation: I want an education.

    The best way to correct a double negative is to replace the second form of negation with the word “any.”

    Consider the following:

    Double Negative: I can’t get no satisfaction.

    Correction: I can’t get any satisfaction.

    The best way to avoid the usage of double negatives is to consider the message of the reader is to absorb from the clause.

    But of course, when your Mum eventually gets around to sending you to school you will probably come to understand this.

  263. June 17, 2014 4:17 pm

    “Memory lane is important.”

    Penny Lane is a song.

  264. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2014 4:23 pm

    Sorry REb

    The 50,000 boat people who came here from 2008-2013 is because you voted from Rudd in 2007. One of them, Raza Berati came here because he could no get a job in his chosen profession.

    Let us hope Morrison gets us back to taking people from UNHCR camps.

  265. June 17, 2014 4:25 pm

    “The 50,000 boat people who came here from 2008-2013 is because you voted from Rudd in 2007.”

    I know.

    And not one of them sent me a thank you letter.

    That’s fkn charity.

  266. June 17, 2014 4:30 pm

    As opposed to those who are incapable of living in the here and now…..
    Hows Abbott working out for you all? Honest? Trustworthy? No surprise?

  267. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2014 4:35 pm

    “And not one of them sent me a thank you letter.

    As usual showing no personal responsibility for the damage you caused.

    Do you care about anything other than yourself??

    The people denied a place from UNHCR camps would not agree with your vote in 2007.

    But people with money to buy their way into Australia think people like you are great.

  268. June 17, 2014 4:39 pm

    “But people with money to buy their way into Australia think people like you are great.”

    Who are these people and what chances do you think I have of getting a donation?

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2014 5:01 pm

    Gillard was keeping her mysoginist in office while at the very same time shrieking misogyny at Abbott.

    WGAF! Gillard is no longer in power … Abbott won … and is very quickly losing …

    Maybe this is why …

    At worst Abbott is just an old school male brought up and educated in a household that no longer fits in with todays “perfect” household’s and acts accordingly.

    Obviously all publicans up until the late 1960s were misogynists … (women were banned from some pubs)

    Er, it was the law … Menzies, at the time a I believe …

    It’s like trying to have a conversation with a dog botherer. Like Abbott, ya mean?
    Admittedly it has cost me a couple of friendships Only a couple, that’s good going.

    So what’s the difference between a ‘sexist’ and a ‘misogynist’ under the modern definition?

    Well, ToM, being an enlightened BB (unlike Wally, obviously) I say you would fall into the category of “sexist” and Abbott into “misogynist: …

    Tom R

    You really are a candidate for the lowest scum on earth.

    Ahhh the personal insults TR, … you’ve got, Kneel, worried you might be right …

    Of all the corrupt ALP supporters who post you are the worst.

    Oh, fuck! That was me last week! I must be slipping …

    Double negative … giggle … Gold! Gold! Gold! …. LOL!

    Welcome home, Blogmeister! Chuckle … 🙂

  270. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2014 5:10 pm

    “Ahhh the personal insults TR, … you’ve got, Kneel, worried you might be right

    No Tom R and most ALP supporters are scum.

    You lot abused Costello for running surplus budgets so we could lower our debt. Now our debt is low you claim credit for it.

    No personal responsibility is normal for ALP supporters.

    I can imagine most ALP supporters walk around creating mess and then order other people to clean it up.

  271. Walrus permalink
    June 17, 2014 5:27 pm

    “”Er, it was the law … Menzies, at the time a I believe …””

    Er……………….like you are WRONG……………..but hey we gave up counting long ago

    Alcohol Laws are set by the States so Menzies had nothing to do with it

  272. June 17, 2014 5:40 pm

    ALP supporters are scum.

    Not to generalise or anyfink.. 🙄
    Gee he told us right 🙄
    I think this low intellect , brainless soap box tossing broken record circle jerking neville nobody is trying to insult us?

    Who shall tell this puny peanut of infinitesimal intellectual capacity to shove his festering hatred up his pustulous asshole then take a long lemming goose step off a short pier of insignificant fucktardery?

    Anyone? or do we all have complete contempt for his innocuously repetitive broken tape loop he considers discourse? Anyone? Anyone?

  273. June 17, 2014 5:43 pm

  274. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2014 6:29 pm

    Looks like nils having a bad day. Maybe he doesn’t like to be reminded of tabots innate MISOGYGY…

    seems like he’s got a bad case of misandry going on there 🙂

    neil seems to be getting all personal so i have to say that I am now taking back my agreement in principle to stop using the word retard at reb’s request, neil’s a PRATT and his comments can only be described as rightard gibberish.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/PRATT

  275. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2014 6:40 pm

    Good.

    If you disagree with me i must be telling the truth.

    By the way the ALP only produces debt and unemployment.

  276. June 17, 2014 6:43 pm

    “If you disagree with me i must be telling the truth.

    Clearly.

  277. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 17, 2014 7:05 pm

    REb

    You seem to have an unending supply of smartalec comments.

    Too bad you don’t care about what your vote did in 2007.

  278. egg permalink
    June 17, 2014 7:37 pm

    It was my vote too.

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2014 7:44 pm

    Alcohol Laws are set by the States so Menzies had nothing to do with it

    Yeah, I know … just stirrin’ … hey? 🙂

    QUEENSLANDER!

    If you disagree with me i must be telling the truth.

    Priceless … LOL!

    <REb

    You seem to have an unending supply of smartalec comments.

    How come you get compliments, sreb … and wer’e just scum or somfink!

    … fkn Robber Baron! Anyone would think you fkn owned the joint! 🙄

  280. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:03 pm

    REb
    You seem to have an unending supply of smartalec comments.

    That’s what I like about him.

  281. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:09 pm

    look what’s coming out of the blair blowhole
    CROWN OUR CRAZY QUEEN
    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/crown_our_crazy_queen/

  282. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:13 pm

    one of the comments:
    In the interests of fairness, is there going to be a Poll on the Biggest Right Wing Male OBNOXIOUS GIT tomorrow question I suggest Tim might come in with a good few votes, but then there are HUNDREDS to choose from, so who knows? cool smirk

    Rob (Reply)
    Tue 17 Jun 14 (06:43pm)

  283. June 17, 2014 8:29 pm

    Will someone send that squealing child to their room the adults are in charge here. 🙂

  284. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2014 8:31 pm

    This is a good read if you are interested in FIFO on the mines …

    … the “ensuite” is a bit of a furphy though …

    … the dongas for the miners – a portable building split into three or four “rooms” – as described … share an ablution block … another portable building containing three or four showers and toilets …

    I’d had enough of that concept in the army …

    I requested (and got – 90% of the time – once your there you can’t really argue!) an ensuite … a portable building split into two rooms with ensuite in each room …

    Nice to hear they get TV … and telephones … now (I bet) …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/fifo-man-luke-baker-reveals-what-its-really-like-to-be-a-flyin-flyout-worker/story-fnkgbb6w-122695760400

    I was a training consultant and generally flew out on Thursday and flew back home on Tuesday … 99% of our social contacts flew out over the next 16 years …

    Thank goodness for … TGT … 🙂

  285. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 17, 2014 10:33 pm

    Game of Thrones piracy war: Choice says Foxtel has itself to blame for illegal downloading of hit show
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-17/choice-backs-australians-who-pirate-game-of-thrones/5530710

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    June 17, 2014 11:13 pm

    hhehe just finished d/l s04e10 …

  287. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 18, 2014 12:05 am

  288. June 18, 2014 1:48 am

    No HBO Lady Stoneheart…shits me…

  289. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2014 6:35 am

    tabot has always misinterpreted “charity” to mean helping himself out AO 😉

  290. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2014 6:44 am

    Choice says Foxtel has itself to blame for illegal downloading of hit show

    And our govermint is trying to pass legislation aimed directly at GOT. Looks like a protection racket for murdoch more than any real concern over illegal downloads.

    Something Wonky have been ranting about this for a while. The only way to watch it, legally, is to buy an overpriced bundle from Foxtel with 90% content that you just don’t want.

    “There’s a moral disconnect there which I just don’t get.”

    That comment can run both ways imo

    Mind you, I wasn’t aware that it was available on Google Play? Kinda surprised, a news article that actually told me ….news 😯 🙂

  291. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2014 9:17 am

    ”THEFT? Now that’s a crime. But what about child sexual ¬assault? No way.
    In a remarkable admission to the child sex abuse royal commission yesterday, the former deputy head of a Marist Brothers high school said he had not considered it a crime in the late 1980s.
    Brother Anthony Hunt, formerly at Trinity Catholic College at Lismore and once superior of the Marist Brothers community in Lismore was asked if he was “being serious”.
    Brother Hunt, 72, was quizzed on allegations against paedophile Brother Gregory Sutton, a teacher at St Carthage’s Primary School at the time.
    He said that he had been concerned at Sutton’s apparent immaturity but did not think it had been a sexual ¬assault when told Sutton had kissed and cuddled one pupil.”

    This says plenty about the pervasive culture of these types.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/kissing-cuddling-child-not-sexual-abuse-as-i-would-understand-the-term-says-marist-brother-anthony-hunt-at-royal-commission/story-fncynjr2-1226958283179

  292. June 18, 2014 10:11 am

    REb
    You seem to have an unending supply of smartalec comments.

    Dunno bout youze but data why i’m here 🙂

    I blame Reb for Squeals fukushima tanties

    I could do without the squealing repetitive childish jerk circle though..just sayin

  293. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2014 10:53 am

    Game of Thrones: Another case for piracy

  294. June 18, 2014 11:17 am

    Splatter, if Foxtel didn’t have such a Pirate ship as their service delivery model then people would not use Bit Torrent. They only have themselves to blame. I have Netflix via the Unotelly proxy. very Happy to pay $16 a month not to use bittorrent.

    This geoblocking and regional bullshit is an old tired model. Cartel days are over. Its like people saying the ABC is the dominant online provider and should be broken up because they have killed the online publishing and content industry. What absolute fucking stupidity. The ABC have been setting this up since the 80’s, I tendered and worked on content delivery services via ISDN for Jtec and voice networking for NEC and it was the most advanced network of its kind in the world.

    So why should these corporate robbers blame everyone else because they are dragged kicking and screaming into the new convergence delivery model? 500, 000 people downloaded GOT, if it was $1 per ep there is $500k they would have? Netflix is making plenty of money and growing, making programs now… Foxtel is a joke as is their argument.

  295. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2014 11:20 am

    … the late 1980s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Jesus wept …

    —————————————————————————————————-

    … and GET RID OF THE SCHOOL CHAPLAINS TOO!

  296. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2014 11:31 am

    Game of Thrones …

    I have no feelings of guilt at downloading this years series … I have all three previous seasons sitting on my shelves in their Blu-ray covers … I buy them!

    BUT, series four DVD and Blu-ray versions will not be on the shelves in Oz until March next year (just like all the previous years) … and that’s a massive marketing blunder in my opinion …

    We haven’t even watched the first episode of this season yet … looking forward to a weekend GoT Fest!

  297. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2014 11:42 am

    I subscribe to Foxtel, buy a lot of music, and do a lot of downloading. It is not that I like the Foxtel business model. I hate monopolists. But I like sport and other members of the household like other stuff.

    I’m sure Foxtel pays for content based on expected viewership which factors in piracy either because it actually stimulates demand or, even if it in some cases it doesn’t, Foxtel will only pay for expected eyeballs which would involve taking account of piracy. So I doubt Foxtel is being sent broke by piracy. But like any greedy monopolist they are always thinkig of new ways to screw people.

    I notice that my kids stream a lot of stuff that is available on Foxtel because it is more convenient. It is a bit like the music industry not understanding what their customers wanted so it tried to fight downloading instead of working out how to make money by giving customers what they wanted.

    I would not buy less music if I couldn’t download stuff because I spend a stupid amount on it as it is, at least $250 per month. I might become more selective and I might not discover as much new music but I can’ afford to spend any more on it.

  298. June 18, 2014 12:03 pm

    Splatter Fox distribution is the delivery arm for Fox Entertainment and most of the content on all fox feeds across SKY Foxtel, Direct TV and Star come from there. Optus vision went under because Fox controls the content delivery arm.
    This is why Rupert is so ant NBN, it will open up the wholesale market to Netflix and alike. My guess is he will try to buy it and it has n=been earmarked for sale. The deal to pay the 800 mill tax debt directly has something to do with it, people in Jouno world are digging deep on that I can confirm.

    250 buck on music a month? wow.. what are you into? I’m interested

  299. June 18, 2014 12:03 pm

    Fuck Foxtel.

    Bittorrent is the only weapon we have against the way Big Foreign Media habitually extorts Australians for digital content.
    So, wtf is our government gonna do about us being extorted?…fkn legislate against us !
    I imagine both major Partys would be synonymous on the cosying up to Big Foreign Media too; in which case I will continue to plunder.

  300. June 18, 2014 12:09 pm

    ” weekend GoT Fest!”

    I look forward to hearing what you think, TB.

    A few major deviations from the books, this season. Some inspired casting & tremendous performances; as usual.
    Great TV!
    The series is beginning to reach a nexus with the exhaustion of existing literature though; which is concerning.

  301. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 18, 2014 12:12 pm

    I agree AO, if you’re being paid your salary and collecting a generous living away from home allowance, for riding a bike around and eating scones cooked by the local CWA, where’s the charity?

  302. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2014 1:07 pm

    where’s the charity?

    The CWA are providing it for tabot 😉

    It’s how the born to rule operate. Charity begins at home,and they not only accept, they expect it.

    he had not considered it a crime in the late 1980s.

    I AGREE! yomm, that is abhorrent.

    Mind you, how does that gel with the modern day misogynist “just bein’ what they was brought up to be”?

  303. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2014 1:31 pm

    http://www.finance.gov.au/publications/commonwealth-monthly-financial-statements/2014/mfs-april.html

    The net worth of the Australian Government general government sector is a negative net asset position of $219,440 million as at 30 April 2014.”

    Back in 2007 the Federal govt was in a net positive asset position.

    All the ALP does whether State or Federal is rack up debt with very little to show in return. It is in the DNA of socialists to do this. It will always be the same. They will never change.

  304. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2014 1:39 pm

    All the ALP does whether State or Federal is rack up debt with very little to show in return.

    Nothin’ at all in fact 😦

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/australia-tops-the-iarem-worlds-best-economy,6279

  305. June 18, 2014 1:47 pm

    I see Sqweal prefers to flog the same dead horse.. maybe he wakes up each day and that cheap Aldi plonk gives him amnesia forgetting he is just saying the same shit infinitum.. blah blah..blah..leftoid socialist

    6 topics running and the only thing he adds is he drinks cheap plong then back to the same Costello cock gagging drill. 🙄

    meanwhile in the real world of hear and now.. Those of us in the industry and across the bore of the politics division.. have grave fears for the Noalitions asset sale intention for NBN co. Bit like the Audit commission’s predetermined all show and no blow predetermined outcomes or the show trials of ideology….
    This government is seriously deluded and broken

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/18/technology/nbn-cost-benefit-arithmetic-might-not-add?utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=794833&utm_campaign=ts_daily&modapt=

  306. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2014 2:11 pm

    Tom R

    And it is all due to Costello. Govt debt was at 18% of GDP in 1995 and increasing rapidly. To get our AAA back which we lost under Hawke/Keating we need to get govt debt below 10% of GDP. In fact it was at 5% of GDP in 2003 when we got our AAA back.

    To believe that Hawke/Keating could do something like that is just wrong. An economy in top shape is what saved us from the GFC. Not some stupid WAyne SWan spending.

    I am terrified of the ALP getting back in. They will just start borrowing and spending like they always do. Trying to make out they care about people when all they care about is staying in power.

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2014 2:12 pm

    The series is beginning to reach a nexus with the exhaustion of existing literature though; which is concerning.

    Oh, dear, not another deadend, Deadwood,I hope, Toillette!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Will someone explain to me how selling TAXPAYER assets that actually earn money to private enterprise helps the TAXPAYER … and why is power administration considered to be a “profit centre” when it should be a service NFP TAXPAYER owned utility …

    The Gateway Bridge toll has paid off the infrastructure debt times over and is now owned by a private consortium … sucking motorists dry … WHY?

    If the Gateway bridges were still owned by the TAXPAYERS … we could use collection of tolls for future infrastructure …

    And now of course Sir Noddy & The Nitwits are running an ad campaign (one of a couple) to convince us that we should sell off m ore assets … one of the reasons Anna bLie was kicked out …

    Just who is running my state and country!!!

  308. Trouble With Democracy permalink
    June 18, 2014 2:16 pm

    “Just who is running my state and country!!!”

    Those who the electorate put there.

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2014 2:20 pm

    I am terrified of the ALP getting back in

    I didn’t know that, Kneel …

    … I suggest you had better start campaigning and explaining to pensioners, uni students, apprentices, parents, doctors/nurses, unemployed, sick and the poor … why the Liberal and National Party government – the adults – are hell bent on ensuring the majority of people (the peasants) will barely survive in Australian society …

    … do you know how to bake a cake?

    Blessed are the tories for they shall rule the earth we till …

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2014 2:21 pm

    Those who the electorate put there.

    Thanks, ToSY … just what I thought … the fkn Robber Barons

  311. Tom ofMelbourne permalink
    June 18, 2014 2:23 pm

    TB, if a government decides it needs to put some money into schools or hospitals or it needs to reduce debt, then selling existing assets is entirely understandable.

    The real issue is the price it obtains, and if the price is over about 15 times the revenue, it may make sense to sell.

  312. June 18, 2014 2:34 pm

    I am terrified of the ALP getting back in

    There ya go a glowing example of how good a job the faux outrage prophets of doom started scaring the gullible, impressionable, ignorant and stupid before imposing their undisclosed radical neocon agenda of social engineering upon the country… boo …. reds under the bed

  313. June 18, 2014 2:43 pm

    “Just who is running my state and country!!!”
    Those who the electorate put regret putting there.

    Yep they were full of surprises, broken promises and incompetence, guess they got what they paid for moreover are paying for what they got.

  314. TB Queensland permalink
    June 18, 2014 4:30 pm

    The real issue is the price it obtains, and if the price is over about 15 times the revenue, it may make sense to sell.

    Then what happens? No revenue, no more assets … see the quandary … that’s why smart people borrow and use the revenue to pay off the loan (its often referred to as “good” debt … we then own two assets … although one does not produce revenue if its a school or a hospital we still have a revenue stream from the original asset (assets) …

    And I keep hearing the cry that we don’t want to leave the younger generation with a debt … we are going to sell off all the revenue generating assets that we OWN rather than borrow against revenue … that’s leaving the younger generation with no options whatsoever …

    Those Robber Barons certainly have a lot of dumb politicians (I wonder) and many of the electorate fooled …

    Example:

    A 40 year old couple own a small hotel and make a net profit of $100,000 pa … so they decide to buy a beach house that will set them back $1,000,000 … they can sell their hotel for $1.5 million … and buy the beach house with $500,000 left and no income … or they can borrow $1,000,000 against the hotel and pay the beach house off in around 20 years or so and have BOTH!

    I know what I’d sooner do …

    … our governments are either thieves or incompetent … which?

  315. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 18, 2014 4:31 pm

    ” I suggest you had better start campaigning and explaining to pensioners, uni students, apprentices, parents, doctors/nurses, unemployed, sick and the poor …

    The medicine may not taste nice. But it will be worse if nothing is done.

    Lefties appear to live in leftie la la land where everything is free.

  316. June 18, 2014 5:12 pm

    I see Pynes “Friend” finds the covert lifestyle of conspiracy a little too stressful, poor dear I hope they bought him a chinese dinner and a bottle of bowlers green at least 🙄

    The medicine may not taste nice

    Squeals bending over and kissing the pope’s ring ready for his suppository of wisdom… just don’t lick the spoon sweetheart.

  317. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 18, 2014 5:35 pm

    Ricky the last thing I bought (last week) was the Beach Boys Smile Box Set (5CD, 2LP, 2×7″, book, poster). Well worth $188. My plan is not to open it and buy another one to use, but I am still in negotiations with my wife.

    I recently sold 4,500 pieces of vinyl to make room for more. I had a good collection of underground hip-hop which I’ve retained, together with really important records (to me). I will replace some with new vinyl.

    I go through phases with the music and have pretty much covered the field. I am now listening to a lot of classical, mainly baroque and before.

    What I really like after all these years is reggae, country, celtic and basically anything that sounds good.

    I found the Drive-By Truckers quite by accident and rate them very highly. You might like the guitar picking on this:

    (mercifully I haven’t time to finish this story).

  318. June 18, 2014 5:50 pm

    David Marr on James Ashby…

    “Cancelling the lawsuit came clothed in the rhetoric of deep reflection and emotional strain, but the key issue was money…”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/18/james-ashby-pulls-pin-on-legal-action-but-he-had-already-sunk-the-slipper?CMP=twt_gu

  319. Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2014 6:09 pm

    “… they can sell their hotel for $1.5 million … and buy the beach house with $500,000 left and no income … or they can borrow $1,000,000 against the hotel and pay the beach house off in around 20 years or so and have BOTH!…………..”

    TB,

    What a fucking hypocrite you are.

    What about the Capital Gains Tax Event that has just ben triggered……………?

    How the hell could they possibly afford both unless you are perfectly OK for them to pay no CGT ?

    Obviously they are friends of yours……….?

    You drone on about Robber Barons yet condone your “Model Couple” and their defrauding of the Commonwealth.

    What if everybody carried on like you “friends” do ?

    Let the records show that you are a fucking hypocrite !

  320. Walrus permalink
    June 18, 2014 6:09 pm

    Further………….let the record show me ROFLMAO

  321. Tom R permalink
    June 18, 2014 6:20 pm

    Harmers did this out of a genuine sense of social justice.”

    Further………….let the record show me ROFLMAO

  322. June 19, 2014 12:35 am

    One of my favourite Bolt threads ever.

    Some longterm ‘leftist’ punchingbags remind the gargoyles of the documented digital historical record. Hilarity ensues.

    Bolt Loses…Flawful Defeat!

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/obama_and_biden_claimed_victory_in_iraq_but_now_its_bushs_fault/#commentsmore

    That’s the thing about trying desperately to throw a bone to your legion of arselickers painting yourself into a corner by your own words.

  323. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2014 9:16 am

    Jon Faine (ABC) interviewed Dean Mighell this morning, about the union royal commission.

    Mighell made some interesting points. Essentially, he says it is the ALP that poisons the unions.

    Interesting perspective. He suggested that if the HSU was not affiliated with the ALP none of the examples of poor behaviour would have occurred. He said this occurred when unions start to be run by factional heavyweights who are more interested in the political games than in membership welfare.

    An oddly interesting perspective from Mighell.

    But – does anyone still seriously think the current union affiliation model is in the best interests of the electorate, the ALP and unions??

  324. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 19, 2014 4:42 pm

    A public service union is threatening industrial action over a proposal to increase the length of a working day by nine minutes for thousands of workers.
    The proposal to change the knock-off time from 4:51pm to 5pm will be put to staff at the Australian Tax Office (ATO) when official bargaining on new agreements begins next week.

    Yeah!!

    Those public servants really need to knock off at 4.51 and not 5pm, because otherwise they’d have to start having their last cup of tea and tim tam 4.30, and not at 4.21.

    WADDA WE WANT??!!
    NEW CARDIGANS…and Liptons (not Robur)
    etc.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-19/aps-working-day-may-be-extended/5535000

  325. egg permalink
    June 20, 2014 12:51 pm

    ‘Premier Li Keqiang sought to allay mounting fears over China’s growing regional strength on Wednesday by highlighting the nation’s long-held resistance to expansion and hegemony.

    “Expansion is not in the Chinese DNA, nor can we accept the logic that a strong country is bound to become hegemonic,” he told an audience of about 350 in London, including international studies researchers.

    ‘His comments were apparently made in response to fears over China’s territorial disputes with its neighbors in the South China Sea. Recent rows with Vietnam and the Philippines over territorial claims in the South China Sea have raised regional tensions.’

    China Daily

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