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Protesters Face Mandatory Jail Time under new Liberal Government Laws

June 24, 2014

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Smug inner-city latte types in conjunction with tiny exercises in random anarchy present “Why Does The Liberal Party Hate our Freedoms?”

The state Liberal government in Tasmania will introduce new laws that could see mandatory three-month prison sentences imposed on protesters and fines for those who “incite” protests.

The government argues that the laws are necessary to “protect law-abiding Tasmanians from protesters invading their workplaces”.

The laws will impose a $2,000 on-the-spot fine for someone who is “invading” or “hindering a business”, with the penalty rising to $5,000 if the matter is heard in court with a subsequent guilty verdict.

A second such offence will see protesters jailed for a mandatory three-month term, with a potential maximum term of two years.

There will also be “heavy fines” for people who “incite” others to enter or damage a business, or to “disrupt its activities.”

It is anticipated that the new laws will be used to target protesters who are unhappy with the logging of Tasmanian forests, but the state government said they could also apply to other business sites.

Paul Harriss, Tasmania’s resources minister, said that while the government supported the right to peaceful protest, the bill would be aimed “fairly and squarely at those protesters who are not merely wishing to have their say, but who are trying to force their will on to others by stopping their work”.

“We saw too many of these protests tolerated under the previous Labor-Green government,” he said.

“They not only cost businesses and individuals by halting production, but also put at risk the safety of themselves and others.”

Harriss added that the legislation made it clear that Tasmanians had the right to earn a living “without having extremist protesters come on to their workplaces”.

However, opponents of the legislation claim it is heavy-handed, unfairly restricts the right to protest and places inappropriate mandatory sentences upon individuals.

“It’s a fundamental principle that our democracy is founded on, that the separation of parliament and the courts be maintained,’’ said Anthony Mihal, president of the Law Society of Tasmania.

“These laws are founded on concerns of courts being too lenient. Those concerns are wrong. People do and have been imprisoned.’’

The Tasmanian government’s legislation follows a similar crackdown on protests in Victoria, where protesters risk two years’ imprisonment if they breach a police-issued ban on them entering a particular public space.

 

 

 

 

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126 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 24, 2014 2:48 pm

    Is the so called Anthony Mihal, president of the Law Society of Tasmania, really a dole bludging communist?

  2. Tom R permalink
    June 24, 2014 2:53 pm

    and fines for those who “incite” protests.

    At least it’ll keep alan jones out of the state.

  3. June 24, 2014 3:08 pm

    “Is the so called Anthony Mihal, president of the Law Society of Tasmania, really a dole bludging communist?”

    No, that’s Julian Burnside….

  4. Meta permalink
    June 24, 2014 3:23 pm

    ( “Colbeck has argued that massive electoral swings to the federal and state Liberals in Tasmania have provided a clear mandate for the move to strip the world heritage status.

    But former Greens leader Bob Brown said the attempt to annex the region was a ideological redrawing of old environmental battlelines. “The decision was driven by the Tasmanian Liberals who have run a vendetta against the Greens and environmentalists since they lost their battle to flood the Franklin in 1983,” said Brown.

    Phill Pullinger from Environment Tasmania said the focus in Tasmania would now return to other forests to be protected under the peace deal.”
    UN rejects Australia’s ‘feeble’ bid to strip Tasmanian forest’s heritage status )

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 24, 2014 3:31 pm

    Julian Burnside should get a real job.

  6. June 24, 2014 4:15 pm

    Julian Burnside should get a real job.

    He has…. His case list reads like a manifest of righteous rogering retribution of the who’s who of teabag fucktardery tosspots.

    Tazzie Greens against the Fiberal Map of Tazzies… Tasmania cold as fuck one day 1976 the next 🙄

  7. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 24, 2014 4:19 pm

    Snipers. They need snipers.

  8. Outer Town permalink
    June 24, 2014 4:21 pm

    You can’t say they’re inner-city types, because Tasmania doesn’t have inner-city.

  9. June 24, 2014 4:37 pm

    But I live in Melbourne.

  10. June 24, 2014 4:37 pm

    And I did have to order a latte the other day because one joint didn’t have a flat white on offer.

    Can you imagine…..?

  11. June 24, 2014 5:46 pm

    ””””””””It is anticipated that the new laws will be used to target protesters who are unhappy with the logging of Tasmanian forests””””””””””

    #bob brown and pete cundel will be blowin`a gasket
    _______________

    ””””’Snipers. They need snipers.”””’
    #canberra

  12. Inner Sanctimony permalink
    June 24, 2014 5:48 pm

    “But I live in Melbourne.”

    Oh, you were referring to yourself. I see.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2014 6:30 pm

    What else can be said … just another fkn fascist state …

    The ALP in QLD has referred the fuhrer Sir Noddy Newman to the CMC … fat lot of good that will do, since he played surgeon on the CMC – castration … as he is now doing with the Chief Justice’s appontment …

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    June 24, 2014 6:35 pm

    Funny, I was only thinking this morning how much I’d enjoyed driving around Tassie a couple of years ago …

    … and for ToSY (what an oxymoron of a gravatar) … you obviously never visited Hobart … lovely inner-city … and especially the harbour …

    Sydney’s inner city revolves around King’s Cross … “inner” city alright …

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 24, 2014 6:57 pm

    I go to Hobart quite often, well, 2 or 3 times a year. It’s usually cold and wet.

    The great thing though is, I used to go to Canberra even more often, but not now. Life seems so much brighter as a result.

  16. Meta permalink
    June 26, 2014 12:55 am

    (Go Earthians!)

  17. egg permalink
    June 26, 2014 7:39 am

    From that link….

    ‘One great difference between the old politics and Green politics, is the overarching question which predicates all our political decisions: ‘will people one hundred years from now thank us?’

    Highly unlikely, by then Earthians will be ruled by the Middle Kingdom and major wars are a thing of the past, although outbreaks of civil disobedience should be expected. Humans being what they are.

    A 100 years from now colonies on planets and moons in our solar system are foreseeable and as earth returns to its normal ice age slumber, humanity we will come up with some imaginative ideas to avert it.

  18. egg permalink
    June 26, 2014 9:15 am

    ‘That’s why they are not communicating with Earth. They have extincted themselves. They have come and gone. And now it’s our turn.’

    They are not extinct, the Galactic bruvverhood is vast, but its fair to say they have been watching us fairly closely since WW2 after detecting the nuclear pulse.

  19. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2014 9:42 am

    but its fair to say they have been watching us fairly closely

    And the fact that none of them has contacted us is proof that their is intelligent life out there 😉

  20. egg permalink
    June 26, 2014 10:03 am

    What to do with glorified apes? A wide berth comes to mind.

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2014 11:58 am

    Fascism at work, libs and fascism go hand in hand. Talk about an oppressive dictatorship. While all the IPA nutters & bolt etc are screaming free speech, their party is doing everything they can to destroy any semblance of it. Protest is a legitimate right in a real democracy and business/property rights should not have priority over our right to protest their destructive actions, the state is doing the bidding of business and acting against it’s own citizens. Government bought by $, lock, stock & barrel, we should all be protesting in the streets.

    pretty disgusting, what australia has come to. Might as well be living in a third world country.

  22. Tom R permalink
    June 26, 2014 12:02 pm

    Might as well be living in a third world country.

    It’s early days of this government yet ao 😦

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2014 12:40 pm

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2014 12:47 pm

    when does that protester law take effect??

  25. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 26, 2014 1:05 pm

    Campbell Newman and the Rule of law:
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/campbell-newman-and-the-rule-of-law,6610

  26. June 26, 2014 4:50 pm

    now we have star-trek cranks here too, that`s nice

  27. egg permalink
    June 26, 2014 4:52 pm

    I have never watched it, real science fiction is best.

  28. June 26, 2014 5:52 pm

    bullshit, one way or another you`ve watched it, whether it is the hollywood based clap-trap, or the taxpayer funded junk that departs florida, the nation`s steady diet of roden-berries

  29. June 26, 2014 6:01 pm

    and he walked where.?

    so ya`say huh.? really huh.?

    it wasn`t a movie set.?

    ya`don`t say.?

    taxpayers money huh.? worth every cent ya`say.?

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2014 6:13 pm

    Campbell Newman and the Rule of law:

    Mmmm … while its nice to be vindicated by a professional … it doesn’t make the pill easier to swallow, KL … a barrister no less … (first the medical profession and then the legal)

    I remember vividly the JBP era and it was not pleasant … I have the same feeling in my gut about the whole country now – not just Queensland …

    … the Terror of Time! My eldest was 17 when he was ousted … my youngest 15 … while they are now saying, “Gees, you were right, Dad” … that is no consolation … just depends how deeply they have rotted the separation of powers … and how well educated present voters are … AND how quickly Queensland can provide an active alternative …

  31. egg permalink
    June 26, 2014 6:19 pm

    ‘bullshit, one way or another you`ve watched it’

    I know of it, but have never watched it.

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    June 26, 2014 6:32 pm

    now we have star-trek cranks here too, that`s nice

    Got a “smart” phone? Or tablet?

    And FYI, Gene Rodenberry*, tackled many of todays human issues on Star Trek … if you think Star Trek was just a sci-fi show … I suggest you watch again and look deeper …

    You do know who Gene R was, I take it …?

  33. June 26, 2014 6:33 pm

    ””””the JBP era””””
    ””””’I have the same feeling in my gut about the whole country now”””’

    #ditto, for me it kicked in when the JohnW regime trotted off to iraq, and the `teh-chooks` happily swallowed what they were fed, without question,

    the states have rapidly followed, the east-coast anyway, are all buried in some type of corruption dealings at the moment

  34. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 26, 2014 6:43 pm

    “ditto, for me it kicked in when the JohnW regime trotted off to iraq”

    It was the Labor Party under Bob Hawke that took us to the Middle East when Iraq invaded Kuwait and we have been there ever since.

  35. June 26, 2014 6:59 pm

    when the adults say `iraq` kneel, the adults obviously don`t mean iraq91, but the adults mean the later iraq-afghan-pakistan-syria-andWhereEverElseitEndsUp2001onwards #justSoYoungTorieTraineesKnow

  36. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 26, 2014 7:09 pm

    Labor would have done what the Americans wanted. Strangely we had no combat deaths in Iraq. By far most of our combat deaths have happened in Afghanistan and most occurred under Rudd/Gillard.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Defence_Force_casualties_in_Afghanistan

    Operation Slipper is notable for the first Australian combat deaths since the Vietnam War, and to date all casualties have occurred during operations in Afghanistan. 40 Australian soldiers have been killed and 256 wounded (including two sailors and one airman), the majority since October 2007

  37. June 26, 2014 7:20 pm

    ”””Labor would have done what the Americans wanted.”””

    would`a should`a could`a, the JohnW regime DID do it

  38. June 26, 2014 9:47 pm

    Just how are Johnnies weapons of mass deception and the promise to vote in parliament to go to war workin out Squeal seeing as you love living in the past and posting completely off topic.. ya fucking wingnut

    http://www.aspistrategist.org.au/the-iraq-war-10th-anniversary-the-canberra-silence/

    http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/2010/11/01/The-big-Iraq-fib.aspx?COLLCC=1382174831&

  39. egg permalink
    June 27, 2014 7:55 am

    ‘if you think Star Trek was just a sci-fi show … I suggest you watch again and look deeper …’

    Gene was impressive and the Martin Luther King story illustrates the impact it had on US society in the 1960’s. By being 300 years into the future it was possible to slip in a ‘black’ as equal.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/29/gene-roddenberry-son-star-trek_n_1119119.html

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 27, 2014 9:22 am

    “Protest is a legitimate right in a real democracy and business/property rights should not have priority over our right to protest their destructive actions”

    So let me get this right – blockades, trespass, disrupting businesses, abusing workers, interfering with machinary and the like are all legitimate forms of protest? I’m sure those who believe that society needs saving from bird mangling wind-farms, places that sell alcohol, shops that sell pork, gay bars, strip clubs and the human abbottoirs called abortion clinics will be pleased to play by your rules.

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2014 10:36 am

    So let me get this right – blockades, trespass, disrupting businesses, abusing workers, interfering with machinary and the like are all legitimate forms of protest?

    yes

    “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so”
    [thomas jefferson]

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    June 27, 2014 10:38 am

    I’m sure those who believe that society needs saving from bird mangling wind-farms, places that sell alcohol, shops that sell pork, gay bars, strip clubs and the human abbottoirs called abortion clinics will be pleased to play by your rules.

    they already do.

  43. June 27, 2014 11:37 am

    Here is something worth Protesting about

    Behold possibly the biggest fucktard in Australian political history. The man that wants to make Isp’s the police (at their own cost which is ultimately yours) for price gouging media cartels that refuse to change their business model and impose their profit regime on others. This neocon dipshit wants to make someone who operates a wireless connection responsible for piracy? Anyone with half a brain and some plumbs could sort this out in a microsecond by telling the cartels to make it cheaper for people to consume media without geoblocking. The stupid thing these capitalist don’t realise is that they would make more money in volume. Brandis is an arrogant ideologists who is as ignorant as he is stupid.. repealing 18c and his latest Israeli classification proves my point.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/26/technology/brandis-futile-plan-stop-bytes

  44. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 27, 2014 12:33 pm

    Nice of you to quote Jefferson, KL. He had many good ideas although I doubt he would sanction the violent actions of insane environmentalists. This is something the rusted-ons of both sides should consider:

    if we do not learn to sacrifice small differences of opinion, we can never act together. Every man cannot have his way in all things. If his own opinion prevails at some times, he should acquiesce on seeing that of others preponderate at others. Without this mutual disposition we are disjointed individuals, but not a society.

    Of course there are some things worth fighting for and first among them is free speech. Here is something Underpants Conroy and his lackey Finklefuckwit would do well to contemplate:

    Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.

    and this:

    To preserve the freedom of the human mind then and freedom of the press, every spirit should be ready to devote itself to martyrdom

    Jefferson also understood the virtue of the right to bear arms:

    As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body, and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. Never think of taking a book with you.

    No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms within his own lands

    He had a message for those who like the idea of perpetual government debt:

    I say, the earth belongs to each of these generations during its course, fully and in its own right. The second generation receives it clear of the debts and incumbrances of the first, the third of the second, and so on. For if the first could charge it with a debt, then the earth would belong to the dead and not to the living generation. Then, no generation can contract debts greater than may be paid during the course of its own existence.

    He was clearly not a fan of Big Government:

    A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.

    Finally, Jefferson also had to deal with the jihadists of his day (some things never change):

    We took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador [of Tripoli] answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

  45. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 27, 2014 12:41 pm

    “This neocon dipshit wants to make someone who operates a wireless connection responsible for piracy?”

    Sadly, I think both sides are slaves of the corporates and this might get through the Senate. Ultimately it will be a large cost to Australians as they are gouged by (mainly US) media monoliths. As someone here noted earlier IP rights are a big chunk of the US economy.

  46. June 27, 2014 1:24 pm

    yeah, the problem of `quoting` the so-called great founders of teh-usa and the so-called `freedoms` they spouted is,

    most of`em owned slaves and didn`t mean `black-folk` in those `freedoms`,

    and not natives/indians either,

    and most of`em were religious zealots also, so they didn`t believe in the `freedoms` to end your life/suffering, or women to be equal, or who folks love/sleep with,

    most of`em were pretty happy to stop a lot of `freedoms` too #yankeeDoodleTeabag

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2014 2:50 pm

    Finally, Jefferson also had to deal with the jihadists of his day (some things never change):

    Is this another silly rant from, sb … 🙂

    … or just a lesson in demonstrating a long winded, tiresome to read example of c&p quotes …

    … a technique vaguely familiar to those of us who killed off (apparently) Farnham Bear’s literary career … 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    most of`em were pretty happy to stop a lot of `freedoms` too

    Ironic the number of posts here haranguing the commos and socialists for controlling people in the past, but nary a word about the controls of the fascist regimes currently jackbooting through the suburbs of Australian cities … now Brandis wants the equivalent of the Nazi book burnings …

    Astounding … bring back the stocks, I say …

  48. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 27, 2014 2:56 pm

    I know what you mean, Retardland. Amerikkka has been a disaster from the start. The world would be so much better without democratic governments. If only you had been around in those times I’m sure the world would be perfect now. The important thing now is to sneer at the very mention of the names of the Founding Fathers otherwise people might make the mistake of believing they made any contribution at all.

    Many is the time I’ve been reading Jefferson or Tocqueville or Thomas Paine and thought “You poor ignorant fools. If only you had the grace, wit and class of Catherine Deveny or Margot Kingston. Or the statesmanship of Julian Burnside urging children to do his dirty work for him by spitting on Scott Morrison.”

    It is such a relief to have an intellectual giant such as yourself among us. I’m pretty sure people will be poring over your comments at this very blog long after The Rights of Man, Democracy In America and the Declaration of Independence are forgotten.

  49. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2014 3:05 pm

    “now Brandis wants the equivalent of the Nazi book burnings …

    It does not take long for TB to mention the Nazi’s.

    Fact is it was the ALP that wanted to Finklestein us.

  50. Tom R permalink
    June 27, 2014 3:30 pm

    Finklestein just might have prevented this kind of outcome. Mind you, having print operate under the same conditions as broadcast media is hardly “nazi” actions.

    His protégée Rebekah Brooks may have been spared, but the mogul faces a police grilling, more possible charges against News Corp from Scotland Yard, and a looming Senate probe.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/25/rupert-murdoch-s-trouble-has-only-just-begun.html

  51. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2014 3:53 pm

    A little close to home did not “The Age” hack an ALP data base?? Why spend so much time in what happened in another country when we had a newspaper in this country hacking a database??

    I find it strange when people who are natural totalitarians want freedom of the press, in fact freedom about anything.

    ALP supporters are natural totalitarians and if they had the power would censor anybody who disagreed with them.

  52. egg permalink
    June 27, 2014 4:12 pm

    Very amusing Neil, but I shouldn’t have to remind you that there are no totalitarians in Australian political life.

  53. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2014 4:21 pm

    ALP supporters are.

    They just do not have the power to do what they want to do.

  54. Splatterbottom permalink
    June 27, 2014 4:25 pm

    “A little close to home did not “The Age” hack an ALP data base?? Why spend so much time in what happened in another country when we had a newspaper in this country hacking a database??”

    Because the Age is an august organ of the intellectual elite, silly. No matter what it does it will not be criticsed by the left because it is not Muuuuuuuurdoch. Leftists are stinking hypocrites is your answer.

  55. June 27, 2014 5:10 pm

    I find it strange when people who are natural totalitarians want freedom of the press, in fact freedom about anything.

    What like destroying laws that protect citizens from racial vilification that were working fine to suit a right wing hack opinions then not releasing the submissions thus limiting free speech.

    or

    Having a blackout of information for a heinous border protection law to cover up criminal neglect

    or

    Sending refugees to a despot lawless country only to have someone killed whilst in custody

    or invoking laws that would have protesters jailed

    or

    forcing the unemployed to move from their homes, families and not supporting them till they are 30 because they live in the country

    or

    Gutting the national broadcaster because you feel they disagree with your neocon ideology and your are so elitist that you consider yourself and your litany of lies above scrutiny

    or

    forcing people of disabilities and older pensioners to pay to go to the doctor

    Yeah Totalitarian… wake up you factless fucktard wingnut 🙄

  56. egg permalink
    June 27, 2014 5:19 pm

    ‘They just do not have the power to do what they want to do.’

    They are restrained by democracy. China is a totalitarian state and they have the power to do what ever they like.

  57. Tom R permalink
    June 27, 2014 5:46 pm

    And these people complained about Finklestein ffs

    The Attorney General’s Department has taken fresh steps to prevent the publication of submissions made as part of its public consultation on ‘free speech’ reforms, denying a public request for access to the documents on the grounds it would require an ‘unreasonable diversion of government resources’.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/06/27/govt-takes-fresh-steps-block-release-free-speech-docs

  58. June 27, 2014 5:58 pm

    Tom… Bandis is a socially disconnected elitist tosspot pissed on power.. all this shit he is doing is all about personal agenda ideology.. this fucking grub is incapable of bipartisan governance.. whats with the Israeli terminology? what the fuck is that all about? was it called for? Its another Tim Wilson fuck you just like the Minister vindictive vaginal uterus yodeling.

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2014 6:07 pm

    ALP supporters are natural totalitarians and if they had the power would censor anybody who disagreed with them.

    Chuckle … and here ya are still commenting …

    and, sb … Leftists are stinking hypocrites is your answer.

    LOL! Hypocrisy writ LARGE …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Noice list, RP, and extremely accurate … I’ll wait for the indefensible defence crowd to reply …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    They are restrained by democracy.

    Well, the current right wing proletariats seem to be doing OK … as around your local cohorts as you usually do …

    China is a totalitarian state and they have the power to do what ever they like.

    China is more precisely described as a one party democracy … this has been explained to you previously … but, hey, who comprehends anything here …

    We’ve got a barrister in QLD who writes that the present government – just like JBP – doesn’t understand, or chooses to ignore separation of powers … a major plank of democratic process …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    denying a public request for access to the documents on the grounds it would require an ‘unreasonable diversion of government resources’.

    And we can guess the real reason … the majority of submissions would provide strong argument against … but we won’t know that … until these arrogant pricks are tossed out!

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    June 27, 2014 6:08 pm

    asK around your local cohorts as you usually do …

  61. egg permalink
    June 27, 2014 6:29 pm

    One party democracy is a fiction or perhaps an oxymoron.

    ‘Totalitarianism or totalitarian state is a concept used by some political scientists to describe a political system in which the state holds total authority over the society and seeks to control all aspects of public and private life wherever possible.’

    wiki

  62. egg permalink
    June 27, 2014 6:33 pm

    ‘Well, the current right wing proletariats seem to be doing OK … as around your local cohorts as you usually do …’

    The Third Way was expensive and this centre right government is determined to cut out the largesse.

  63. Walrus in his Wonderful Windy Winter Watchtower permalink
    June 27, 2014 6:50 pm

    “It does not take long for TB to mention the Nazi’s. ”

    Yeah……..he does tend to elicit a yaaaaaaawn these days.

    TB has really got very little of value to say these days. Just repeats the same old hyperbole or should we say hyper-bowl.

    Neil ………………..just add it to his usual boring recounting of stuff.

    Did you know he was a nasho…………or that he had his own business……………..or that he retired early…………………or that he constantly states “Robber Baron” yet he is such a hypocrite he takes great delight in pirating TV shows off the net. Who is exactly is the Thief.

    Oh that’s right he’s going to buy the shows when they finally make it onto DVD is his excuse.

    Just like the captured bank robber telling the cops he was actually just borrowing the money

    He’s a HYPOCRITE writ LARGE

    Just wont admit it but likes to accuse others of his own faults.

    Plus he accuses everyone who disagrees with him of “playing the man” yet mocks Neil as being a schoolboy how often ?

  64. egg permalink
    June 27, 2014 7:22 pm

    A sophisticated totalitarian state has recognised that a reward mechanism is the best way to catch a terrorist before he acts. It also offers the authorities a data bank on suspicious characters who might talk about democracy.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-06/27/content_17620057.htm

  65. June 27, 2014 7:27 pm

    Thomas Paine had some very admirable things to say…

    “In December 1793, he was arrested and imprisoned in Paris, then released in 1794. He became notorious because of his pamphlet The Age of Reason (1793–94), in which he advocated deism, promoted reason and freethinking, and argued against institutionalized religion in general and Christian doctrine in particular.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Reason

    Have you read that one splatter? many contemporary biblethumping Americans, and their advocates, would do well to revisit it.

  66. egg permalink
    June 27, 2014 7:45 pm

    WASHINGTON — ‘The Obama administration’s embrace of targeted killings using armed drones risks putting the United States on a “slippery slope” into perpetual war and sets a dangerous precedent for lethal operations that other countries might adopt in the future, according to a report by a bipartisan panel that includes several former senior intelligence and military officials.’

    New York Times

  67. June 27, 2014 7:55 pm

    ”””Many is the time I’ve been reading Jefferson or””””

    so why get unhinged and abusive because l don`t share your fetish of teh-usa,

    your disjointed,unrelated ramblings and trying to `attach`me to the lefty-fruitbats don`t sway me either,

    but trying to discuss things like `equality` or `fairness` while those dressed in their bedsheets and burning crosses are yelling at me `they` are the model of `democracy` is really quite ludicrous

  68. June 27, 2014 7:55 pm

    Stupid Brandis thinks he can stop internet piracy in a pander to Big Foreign Media.

    Hilarity ensues.

    Dumbfuck obviously has no realistic concept of the interwebz…

  69. June 27, 2014 8:05 pm

    Walrus happily ignores the extortion of Australian consumers via Big Foreign Media over digital content which promotes piracy.

    Quite Robber Baronish behaviour, wilfully obscured by the pro-extortion crowd & its enablers.

    Perhaps Walrus can detail a legitimate rationale as to why Australian consumers should be price gouged & geoblocked unjustifiably, by Big Foreign Media with tax minimisation to boot.

    Perhaps Walrus should read the link (among the sundry others which have been posted here in the past).

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/6/26/technology/brandis-futile-plan-stop-bytes

  70. June 27, 2014 8:11 pm

    Neil makes demonstrably ridiculous categorical statements about entire swathes of the population, repeatedly, and deserves the return fire.

    I note that he used my name, in my absence from the discussion, again yesterday(?), even though I’ve now warned him multiple times about such thickheaded puerility.

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2014 8:18 pm

    “Thomas Paine had some very admirable things to say…

    I like the Americans but rebellion against the powers that be, is a dangerous concept.

    To the amazement of me, the Commonwealth of Australia came into existence without one dead body.

    Something that is unique.

  72. June 27, 2014 8:57 pm

    The Age of Reason is well worth a read, Neil. It’s not a ‘rebellion against the powers that be’. It’s a critical dismantling of Theism using reason as the bludgeon.

    I agree about Australia. We live in a rare, peaceful country. Generally bloodless since its inception…although the aborigines & various foreign nations we’ve had a hand in invading may beg to differ.

  73. June 27, 2014 9:22 pm

    ””””I like the Americans””””’

    that comes as a complete shock kneel, considering you never regurgitate ”yank”’ corporate clap-trap in mindless fashion,

    ____

    ””Australia came into existence without one dead body.””

    the dunny`can beat me to the `aboriginal` point

  74. June 27, 2014 9:24 pm

    ””’The Age of Reason is well worth a read, Neil.””’

    guffaw, ””reason”” being one of kneel`s strong-suits

  75. June 27, 2014 9:39 pm

    Such Hilarity in the gutter tonight You have Squeal with nothing after using political concepts that he dont even understand in a pontificating penis pulling polemic…

    Then Wally sticking u for Squeals nonsensical wing nut wanfest …

    Then to top that off we have Wally in fine form calling those who don’t want to get anally reamed by Murdoch’s price gouging dark age of digital delivery. “Thieves” …

    Yep proud of it too I am. Fuck Murdoch and fuck Brand Ass.. Am I a criminal because I use a proxy and pay 12 bucks a month for something Poxel sells for 60…?

    FFS get another soapbox Wally, you’re not even lapping my heals your so outta ya depth….

    The only way to stop piracy, is fair and equitable pricing and breaking the inflexible out dated territory regional syndication. The horse has bolted the train has has left the station. Imposing restrictions on ISP’s to become Murdochs police is like blaming sporting stores for selling baseball bats to thugs who hit people with them….

    Goodluck Bandis see all these yellow dots .. they are dynamo proxies just for Uno alone,

    there are something like 15 to 25 million Proxy servers advertised and 5 times that not advertised Over 20, 000 proxies in Sydney alone. I’m actually going through 2 proxies as I type.. Unless my ISP places a protocol analyzer on my link, they have no way no clue no how to differentiate what is happening on my link and I have encryption off…

    Most people do not want to pirate, its a pain in the ass. If they make subscription streaming reasonable they will. If we implemented the NBN for convergent services like it was supposed to be implemented as opposed to how Murdoch wants it and the fucking fiberal luddite fucktards stop playing ideology political lies for votes with our future… competition will be enabled as is the wet dream of every teabag corporate totalitarian dictator bullshit artist..the market will be truly free.

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 27, 2014 9:42 pm

    “that comes as a complete shock kneel, considering you never regurgitate ”yank”’ corporate clap-trap in mindless fashion,

    I like the USA in spite of their hypocrisy. It is in general a benevolent dictatorship. And they are very good at marketing things for some reason and gives lots of money to help people.

    I detest the Russians. More land than anyone else, more oil than anyone else, more of everything than anyone else and i would never trust them.

    It is true that if Japan did not attack Pearl Harbor the USA would have never come to our defense. But the Japs did attack PH and therefore the Americans came to our defense.

    And Australia is relatively non violent for some reason. Violence is usually domestic. Husbands killing wives or wives killing husbands but it rarely gets to the streets.

  77. June 27, 2014 10:01 pm

    Here’s the heavy grifting of the heavy lifting.. how much tax did you all pay last year….Squeal Wally?? How much does that PBS and Medicare we cant afford again? And what about all those dole bludgers rorting the system not doing their fair share aye?

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/glencore-tax-bill-on-15b-income-zip-zilch-zero-20140626-3awg0.html

  78. June 27, 2014 10:04 pm

    Add Newscorps 880 mill to GlenCore and thats a teabag deficit hyperventilating bang up in a puff of smoke and mirrors… You want Hypocrites? Meet the highbar.

  79. Walrus permalink
    June 27, 2014 10:32 pm

    “Here’s the heavy grifting of the heavy lifting.. how much tax did you all pay last year….Squeal Wally?? ”

    Sorry Pal but it none of your fucking business if it’s zero or 250k

    But you are still a thief as far as downloading is concerned.

    And you are a thieving hypocrite at that.

    You just choose to justify your own thieving around your own wished for pricing structure. One that suits you.

    Are we to have a different price that suits everyone are we?

    Face it

    YOU ARE A FUCKING THIEF

  80. June 27, 2014 10:49 pm

    How am I a thief… Wally wingnut? I have a netflix account, they bill my credit card each month? Explain what law I am breaking? I pay my bill to a company that has a wonderful product that I happily consume… They have a very fair price… Explain to me what law, statute I am breaking exactly because I am streaming programs from a provider and paying for it exactly like you. I guess you don’t you understand what a proxy is? Just like Bittorrent trackers, Proxy’s are 100% legal.

    Like I said way out of your depth…

  81. June 27, 2014 10:50 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/glencore-tax-bill-on-15b-income-zip-zilch-zero-20140626-3awg0.html

    yeah ricky, that`s been going on for donkeys, just as the xtrata outfit is selling and buying amongst its own `business-units`, xtrata is just copying the oil industry, petrol is bought and sold `about` 14 times amongst its own `business-units`, each trade creating a profit, and a `licensing-fee` for the `mother`company located in a tax-haven.

    With govts refusing to collect full revenue from `physical`commodity companies, l reckon they have fcuk-all chance of making demands on `web-based` business like itunes and google.

  82. June 27, 2014 10:52 pm

    Just a minor software glitch..

  83. Walrus permalink
    June 27, 2014 11:05 pm

    By the way it’s your ALP that ripped the guts out of the corporate finance division of the ATO.

    How do I know ?

    I had lunch with some senior ATO guys today.

    In fact I went to Uni with them.

  84. June 27, 2014 11:23 pm

    yeah yeah yeah… Labor bad fibral great…

    What law am I breaking exactly..what am I stealing? I would love to know, because if I am all the journalists and staff at fox streaming the BBC through their corporate proxy are breaking the same non existent.

    or is this more teabag moralising as the fiberal funders avoid any heavy lifting whatsoever. Are you defending these corporate tax evaders? Do you think this is morally OK… Billions of dollars in turnover of Australian resources and no tax… what no Outrage whatsoever? Its fucking contemptible as is Murdoch’s deal with Abbott for media election coverage in return for Hokey paying his tax refund and not appealing it… That is immoral.

  85. Walrus permalink
    June 27, 2014 11:34 pm

    I’m not defending them but this is covered by the Transfer Pricing and Thin Capitalisation Rules which I know plenty about.

    Your ALP stripped out the ATO specialists.

    Don’t try it on the LNP.

    You were in Government remember?

    It’s more important that the World gets a Tax Policy together than a bullshit ETS.

    Until that’s done sovereigns have no ultimate power

    It’s a very long rambling article and parts of it don’t quite gel but because Glencorp is not listed here it’s very difficult to analyse

    Totally different to say Rio or BHP etc

  86. June 28, 2014 12:21 am

    ””’It’s more important that the World gets a Tax Policy together”””

    ”””Until that’s done sovereigns have no ultimate power”””’

    fascinating, so`ya changed ya`tune blubbers, ya`used to blubber ya`nuts off when l`ve said the Govt starved itself of revenue, and biz shouldn`t be getting the `gifts` they get,

    has they penny finally dropped that each `gift` biz gets, `people` end-up paying for

  87. June 28, 2014 1:23 am

    So its the ALP’s fault that Liberal donors are tax evaders thieves who deprive Australians of much needed tax revenue for all the infrastructure we cannot afford as identified in this budget emergency, financial disaster? Oh IC 🙄 Is that why Hokey has had to double the deficit since they have been in power?

    Face it YOU ARE A FUCKING THIEF

    I’m still waiting for your expert opinion on specifically what law am I breaking by bypassing geoblocked content using a legal proxy to access a fairer price through a legally paid in full monthly Netflix account?

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    June 28, 2014 2:13 am

    .. how much tax did you all pay last year…

    As a matter of interest, I paid plenty… and I’d be happy with this but I observe too many f**king time servers in the public service that are leeching off my tax.

  89. June 28, 2014 7:15 am

    Its the Votes not the boats that have stopped…….
    Tony Abbott (Sic).. “We will be doing what we always do in relation to operation sovereign borders”……..
    LYING
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tamil-asylum-seeker-boat-reportedly-off-christmas-island-20140627-zsoy7.html

  90. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 8:20 am

    ‘It is in general a benevolent dictatorship.’

    I like the words, but on closer inspection you’ll find its still a democracy. China is a benevolent dictatorship, while North Korea is a repressive totalitarian dictatorship.

  91. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 8:38 am

    ‘And they are very good at marketing things for some reason and gives lots of money to help people.’

    So are the mores, Jews and Chinese good at marketing, its in their blood. Giving free food to starving pockets of humanity came about under president Herbert Hoover who saved Belgium from starvation during WW1 and by 1917 it was reckoned that he had saved more lives than any other person in history.

  92. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 8:49 am

    ‘It is true that if Japan did not attack Pearl Harbor the USA would have never come to our defense.’

    After WW1 they were determined to stay out of European wars, which is fair enough, but the US was already down on Japan in the late 1930s for their acts of inhumanity against the Chinese. Remember, they cut off US oil to Japan which essentially sent the nips on a rampage through South East Asia in search of the black stuff.

    If Pearl Harbour didn’t happen, would Australians be speaking Japanese as a second language?

  93. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 8:58 am

    ‘And Australia is relatively non violent for some reason.’

    There are few of us on a large island and we only stopped taking convicts in the middle of the 19th century. But don’t be deceived, Australians can be just as violent as other humans, but generally we are a laid back lot with little faith in a deity.

    We don’t go around starting wars because we have everything to lose and nothing to gain, if you get my drift.

  94. June 28, 2014 9:05 am

    I like the USA in spite of their hypocrisy. It is in general a benevolent dictatorship

    Political science like economics isn’t exactly Squeals strength… mindless parrotting , hatred and wildly rash generalisations using terminology he doesnt understand is his main idio (t) syncrasy

  95. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 9:10 am

    ‘.. how much tax did you all pay last year…’

    I haven’t paid any personal tax for a quarter of a century.

  96. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 9:22 am

    ‘THE tropics — an economic laggard zone for more than a century — are finally catching up, boosting hopes for Australia’s north.

    ‘Obstacles that held back development, in some cases since the early 1800s, are finally being overcome, as growth in the region speeds ahead of the rest of the world.’

    Aikman / oz

  97. June 28, 2014 10:00 am

    I haven’t paid any personal tax for a quarter of a century.

    That explains a lot

  98. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 10:25 am

    ‘That explains a lot’

    Artists are worthless.

  99. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 10:34 am

    ‘And Australia is relatively non violent for some reason.’

    As mentioned previously, a small population on a large island is beneficial, whereas a large and growing population on a small island will probably lead to disaster.

    ‘Yesterday, the Office for National Statistics revealed how, over the past decade, Britain’s population has grown twice as fast as the rest of Europe.

    ‘There are now more than 64million people living here – up by an astonishing five million in the last 12 years alone.

    ‘Every year, schools, the health service, roads and housing are having to cope with an extra 400,000 people, equivalent to a new city the size of Bristol.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2671621/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-A-population-boom-unsustainable.html#ixzz35tCTsRC0
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2014 12:28 pm

    Wally, you can be a willie wanker sometimes … “I had lunch with some senior ATO guys today.”

    Chuckle … who paid? You or me? (Bet I know). 🙂

    Thief … my arse I bet you’re still way behind any personal taxes I paid …

    As for contributing comments, I’ll let my peers judge that … certainly not you …

    RP, Toillette, thanks for the replies in my absence …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s time for another Royal Commission …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-27/choppers-have-design-and-delay-problems/5556734

    But then we know how, The Rodent, performs at RCs … John Winston’s classic reply … “I cannot recall” …

    Someone I was talking to ‘tother day, tells me that JWH flew to the USA on an official meeting trip … then walked across the street and did a handshake deal (say no more) for the F35’s … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There are now more than 64million people living here – up by an astonishing five million in the last 12 years alone.

    Yes … ’tis an odd place … get out of the cities and there is still a lot of open space/wilderness … eg southern downs, woodlands and forests, north and west country moors etc …

  101. June 28, 2014 12:35 pm

    A liberal voting climate denier who calls himself an artist..who do you think you are pre Whitlam Patrick White ?

  102. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 12:53 pm

    Leftoid

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2014 12:55 pm

    “It’s time for another Royal Commission

    Not sure why you want to play politics with defense purchases.

    Defense equipment is getting more and more complicated’ Look how much time and effort has gone into getting our Collins class submarines working properly. But i agree with what Kim Beazley/ALP did. We should be making our submarines in Australia.

    And if the F-35’s are a dud a lot of countries will be getting duds.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II#Operators

    And buy the way that video of the F-35B doing a loop on the aircraft carrier posted at 10.52PM is obviously a fake. And we won’t be getting the carrier version anyway.

  104. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 2:33 pm

    ‘Former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has caned Australia for two-timing – becoming overly dependent on China as a trading partner while expecting Washington to defend from a Beijing that is becoming more aggressive in the region – militarily and territorially.

    ‘Interviewed for Fairfax Media’s Good Weekend on the launch of her memoir Hard Choices, Clinton warned that the Abbott government’s drive for even more trade with China “makes you dependent, to an extent that can undermine your freedom of movement and your sovereignty, economic and political.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/hillary-clinton-criticises-australia-for-twotiming-america-with-china-20140627-zso6c.html#ixzz35uB7pyXS

  105. June 28, 2014 3:25 pm

    ”””’time servers in the public service that are leeching off my tax.”””

    yeah, public servants that pay income-tax, gst, petrol-tax and contribute as consumers in all fields of `teh-market` are teh-problem, not tax-free/reduced rich corporations(often_foreign) that receive `endless` gifts in our system. #TinfoilCubicleWisdom #Arsehat #Teabags

  106. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 3:35 pm

    ‘And if the F-35′s are a dud a lot of countries will be getting duds.’

    And they will refuse to take them if they are outdated and badly put together. Now their drones are state of the art and we could do with a dozen of them.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/27/world/meast/iraq-crisis/

  107. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2014 3:47 pm

    “yeah, public servants that pay income-tax,”

    100% of a PS’s salary comes from the taxpayer ie. people in private industry.

  108. June 28, 2014 3:53 pm

    so fcuking what kneel-tard, 100% of non-govt workers wages end-up coming from `private` people, they are called `consumers`, and they end-up paying for the wage/salary too, along with a hefty `profit-gouge`

  109. June 28, 2014 3:56 pm

    ”””And they will refuse to take them”””

    not according to the mr-rabbit halfwit, and ther will be `more` halfwits #Teabags

  110. June 28, 2014 3:57 pm

    #SingleUseOverPricedFlyingTrashCans

  111. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 4:02 pm

    Hillary says we are being too cosy with the Middle Kingdom, which may upset the Alliance and ultimately any contractual arrangements with the US war machine.

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2014 5:44 pm

    “SingleUseOverPricedFlyingTrashCans

    Other than not buying the planes and not having an air force what planes do you think we should get?? The Israeli’s and British are getting the F-35’s and they are both cluey when it comes to defense purchases.

    Maybe Egg is on the right track. Have no jets but have hundreds of drones.

  113. June 28, 2014 5:54 pm

    Well squeal you would know all about drones it takes one to know one 🙄

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2014 6:03 pm

    Not sure why you want to play politics with defense purchases.

    As a Young Liberal you would be unsure about many things, Kneel …

    And it’s not my place to educate you … talk to your father and school teacher … your Young Liberal Supervisor won’t have a clue why soldiers and, air personnel and sailors need the best equipment available to prevent death or injury … few politicians have any knowledge of weaponry has can been seen from the evidence …

    And buy the way that video of the F-35B doing a loop on the aircraft carrier posted at 10.52PM is obviously a fake. And we won’t be getting the carrier version anyway.

    10:52pm? In fact the navy did look at the carrier version and rejected it … the US navy actually use the Hawker Harrier … wonder why?

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/harrier-jumpjet-makes-emergency-landing-on-a-stool/story-e6frfrnr-1226969765917

    Keep it up … the more your Young Liberal Supervisor tells you the sillier your comments …

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2014 6:06 pm

    Hillary says we are being too cosy with the Middle Kingdom, which may upset the Alliance and ultimately any contractual arrangements with the US war machine.

    What a team!

    Go Hillary!

    Go Clivey!

    Go Al!

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2014 6:08 pm

    Maybe Egg is on the right track. Have no jets but have hundreds of drones.

    Now your thinking! No pilots people in them … kamikaze become reality!

  117. June 28, 2014 6:41 pm

    ””the more your Young Liberal Supervisor tells you the sillier your comments””
    #yep

    ”””it’s not my place to educate you”””
    #ditto, or mine, or anybody else`s either

    ””’No people in them … kamikaze become reality!””’
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminator
    #or you may be terminated
    #skynet is already watching 🙂

  118. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2014 6:44 pm

    ” few politicians have any knowledge of weaponry has can been seen from the evidence

    That would also apply to everything. Very few politicians have any expertise in anything. I guess you have to use your common sense. And also just because a military person has expertise in say submarines it does not mean that person knows anything about fighter jets. I guess politicians follow PS advice most of the time.

    ” In fact the navy did look at the carrier version and rejected it

    Most probably because we do not have an aircraft carrier.

    ” the US navy actually use the Hawker Harrier … wonder why?

    I would be surprised if that was true. USA carriers are big enough so they can use normal jets rather than short take off jets. It is the US Marines that use the Harrier. The US Navy uses the Super Hornet (amongst others) the ones that Brendan Nelson ordered to cover a capability gap until the F-35’s arrives.

    But the Israeli’s are going to get the F-35. Pretty good evidence that it must be OK.

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    June 28, 2014 7:25 pm

    KNEEL!

    1. Very few politicians have any expertise in anything. I guess you have to use your common sense.

    First sentence – absolutely correct!

    Second sentence – is common sense the correct way to spell commonsense or is it common-sense?

    ‘Cause if it isn’t … then it isn’t, commonsense or, common sense or, common-sense …

    FY edification … there is only learned knowledge and behaviour … human beings are not born with prescient knowledge/skill/behaviour … common sense – if that’s the way we spell it – does not exist …

    If commonsense existed we would all know how to spell it – wouldn’t we? 🙂

    2. Most probably because we do not have an aircraft carrier.

    So you think we couldn’t land a VTOL on this?

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/impressive-pictures-of-the-nuship-canberra-australias-massive-new-warship/story-e6frfrnr-1226879947885

    And for your further edification VTOL fighters can land just about anywhere – have you travelled through Australia at all? The land you say you were born in!

    3. Yes the Marines do use Harriers – off NAVY aircraft carriers – Australia doesn’t have marines …

    4. But the Israeli’s are going to get the F-35. Pretty good evidence that it must be OK.

    Why? The USA pours millions of $$$$$$ into the Israel DF … guess why they are buying F35’s?

    Troll elsewhere, Kneel, oh, wait … the Café has gone I’m told … FUCK!

  120. Neil of Sydney permalink
    June 28, 2014 7:45 pm

    “So you think we couldn’t land a VTOL on this?

    I think you will find they looked into it and found not enough space for planes There would have to be extensive changes to have planes but then there would be no space for helicopters. It is a helicopter/equipment carrier TB, not an aircraft carrier.

    F-35’s would need an aircraft carrier.

    “Yes the Marines do use Harriers – off NAVY aircraft carriers

    But you said they were US Navy planes. The US Navy does not use the Harrier. They have no need for a VTOL. I think the US Marines use Harriers of assault ships not aircraft carriers.

    ” The USA pours millions of $$$$$$ into the Israel DF … guess why they are buying F35′s?

    Israel is surrounded by enemies. They would not be getting F-35’s if they were no good.

  121. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 7:58 pm

    The Japanese think their F35s can easily sink China’s only aircraft carrier. Caution, it may only be propaganda.

    http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140429000104&cid=1101&MainCatID=11

  122. June 28, 2014 8:00 pm

    Ok Here is an interesting fact that is quite Ironic.. Ramadan starts on the last day of Bacon week…. Yes I am full of important factual observations. Coincidence? or bitter Irony…. 😉

    http://australianpork.com.au/latest-news/australian-bacon-awards-and-bacon-week-2/

  123. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 8:13 pm

    ‘Only now a knock-off F-35 appears to be coming to market. Strangely enough, the possibility now exists that the F-35 will have to compete for export sales with a Chinese copy of itself. It’s hard to pin down the unit price of an F-35, but it’s at least in the $200 million range (and possibly a lot more). Ten years from now, you’ll be able to find one for much less than that at the Chinese fake market, especially if you know how to haggle.

    ‘In all seriousness there are real economic implications, given that the F-35 needs to secure export orders well into the 2030s and beyond in order to recoup some of its crazy costs. The security implications are also serious. What if the J-21/31 undercuts the F-35 in cost terms while matching it in capability terms? What if, as The Australian newspaper reckons, China has extracted the full F-35 blueprints from BAE Systems’ computers? What if, armed with that knowledge, the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation succeeds where Lockheed has so far failed and builds a Fake-35 that actually works?’

    The Diplomat

  124. June 28, 2014 9:52 pm

    Egg that is highly plausible. China has breached every major corporation and government on the planet. Their main industry is espionage which fuels their rapid industrialisation and modernisation programs in Tech… It is highly probable that it is already happening as it has with Huwai knocking off Cisco’s IP.

  125. egg permalink
    June 28, 2014 10:04 pm

    Yep

  126. June 29, 2014 12:36 am

    Someone else who doesn’t pay Tax

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