Latest Polls Confirm: Everybody Hates Tony Abbott

Ricky I think you’ll find core values change over time to fit in with social mores, otherwise a party risks becoming irrelevant.

The choice – a schooner of bile or a pint of vomit?

‘Dangerous times ahead.’

Strongly disagree, peace and prosperity is coming.

‘Nope. People are stupid.’

The electorate is not stupid, enlightened self interest will guide us. I’m sensing from the comments that there is dissatisfaction with our politicians, mediocrity is unfortunately the mainstay of the democratic process.

Abbott’s vision is to open up the country with Chinese assistance, hence peace and prosperity.

Yay. Noise-polls. ln-depth reporting.
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””’18 months to go until the next Federal Election . . #onetermtory””

but it`s not like`ya counting or anything, 🙂
it`s just a passing observation 🙂

(According to the BIS, all is well and a virtuous vortex is being created: “low rates validate themselves”.)

sorry #drum not #news

From Meta’s link… Mario Draghi reading from the Tony Abbott song book.

“The road ahead may be a long one. All the more reason, then, to start the journey sooner rather than later.”

“If there are people out there borrowing to invest in property simply because of low interest rates, they’re going to well and truly fucked over if and when interest rates start to climb.”

Same goes for Australia. We are paying much higher interest rates on our govt debt than the Europeans. Some countries have zero interest on govt debt and some countries have negative interest, whatever that is.

WE are approaching govt debt levels where we lost our AAA rating under Hawke/Keating. If we lose our AAA this means even higher rates for govt debt. Best to start running surplus budgets before we lose our credit rating again.

it just sounds like teabag kum-bar-yah to me dumpty

Toodles Tony

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/coalitions-budget-message-fails-to-provide-poll-lift-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226972992772?nk=044717a13c8258bc4b243f8db655c775#

This is just one of the reasons for the intense dislike

After receiving dodgy advice from their Commonwealth Bank financial planner, Don Nguyen, they lost around $170,000.

By 2009 they were reliant on social security to survive.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-01/asic-commbank-royal-commission-recommendations/5564256

Not only, as this is being exposed, does the gubamint introduce legislation that will allow this to happen again, but they refuse to have a RC into the matter.

So, they are happy to have witch hunts into an insulation program which had already found that the deaths were caused by unscrupulous operators, and a witch hunt into 20 year old case of a former PM’s that only AGAIN showed that there was nothing illegal performed by her, but they refuse to look into a major event that has bankrupted thousands, and set up the system to allow it to happen again.

People can see who the gubamint is looking after, and no amount of whitewash can hide it.

But let’s hope Labor and the others can save us from the libs

Senators have signalled they will block the removal of regulations aimed at loosening controls on financial advisers.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/senators-block-loosening-controls-financial-advisers

“If there are people out there borrowing to invest in property simply because of low interest rates, they’re going to well and truly fucked over if and when interest rates start to climb.”

Its not just low interest rates. ‘

Gillard/Rudd made it easier for SMSFs to acquire property plus they “restricted” overseas investors to purchasing new builds only (Its almost impossible to police that by the way since real owners can be hidden behind a corporate veil or trust veil)’

So now an additional class of investor can gear their superannuation savings into property and foreigners see Australia as a relatively stable and desirable place to put their $.

In Sydney now the gap between apartment prices and house prices has well and truly narrowed as many have given up the idea of a quarter acre block and are warming to the idea of living in a swank inner city suburb with all the cafes and restaurants and easy access to work where they could never afford a house but they can afford an apartment.

Currently Sydney is experiencing a massive building boom courtesy of an insatiable demand for apartments in the $600K to $1.2M price range driven by foreigners, SMSFs and cultural change.

I’m not sure I’d want to be in the market for a Sydney apartment at the moment.

I’m keen to see a decline in property prices, not a collapse. Make housing affordable for the next generation.

Otherwise it will be up to me to stump up most of the funding for the housing for my kids!

Apartment prices must fall at some point because of supply

‘The only way for prices to subside will be for the Government to introduce restrictions around overseas buyers and/or for interest rates to rise.’

Those restrictions have been in force for a few years, unfortunately the cunning buggers have been getting around that.

Force them all into the bush and we’ll have China towns all over the island.

‘A recent report by Credit Suisse that estimates Chinese investors are snapping up 18 per cent of all new apartments and houses in Sydney, and 14 per cent in Melbourne.

‘Meanwhile both the National Party and the Australian Labor Party have been calling for more control over purchases of agricultural land. In the past few days there have been suggestions that Asian companies are seeking to acquire listed Australian properties …’

AIIA

Foreign purchasers are a very small part of the problem.

I recall a few months ago the “Chinese” factor was being highlighted by the msm, but the actual stats showed that they were a very small percentage within the market. As you said, a combination of Government stimulus and banking practices are the real issue, and have been pushing house pricing to unacceptable levels for well over a decade.

This was where I heard it

7. Look Over There It’s A Foreign Person! checks out Bernard Keane’s revelation that the usual handy diversion from young people’s anger about housing unaffordability – IT’S A CHINESE INVESTOR NOT ANYTHING WE’RE DOING – is total bollocks.
http://somethingwonky.com/podcast/?currentPage=4

Which in turn went here

Well, let’s try some facts, courtesy of the Foreign Investment Review Board’s 2012-13 annual report, which has data on who is buying residential property. Total foreign investment in residential property in Australia fell in 2012-13, from $19.7 billion to $17.2 billion….

Residential property investment from China is substantial. Chinese buyers are the biggest foreign real estate investors: in 2012-13 they purchased just under $6 billion in real estate — but that includes commercial real estate, which is twice as large a target for foreign investment as residential real estate.
http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/03/10/chinese-real-estate-invasion-not-according-to-the-data-fellas/

‘Well that settles it then, BAN ‘EM ALL!’

No, welcome them with open arms, its the revolution we have to have.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-15/an-chinese-australia-housing-market/5262374

“Anecdotally I find that hard to believe as they do have a definite preference for new apartments …”

Yep and I don’t have much of a problem if they just want to purchase airspace.

But in Chatswood just across the Bridge in Sydney”s north there is an entire new build apartment complex that is only being sold via agents in China.

That is a step too far

‘splurge their token spending money at the casino….’

James Packer is very keen to see that come about.

on a certain reportland tonight,

did `our` teabags notice that it costs $100K-per-prisoner/per-year to jail`em, and that`s gotta`be taken into account in `our` false economic teabag-wailing, as that is money that is taken `away` from other services and infrastructure,

so when our teabags wail about poverty-line `dole`collecters getting 18K or so, if ya`force`em into crime, it will cost`ya 100K,

that means teabags, 1-in-5 only need to be forced into crime for `you` to save $zero,

if 2-in-5 are forced into crime, `you` just doubled ya`loses #stupid.Teabags

“1-in-5 only need to be forced into crime for `you` to save $zero

Illustrative of a state of mind, as always.

‘most of the residential (suburban-homes) being bought-up has been by canadia and teh-usa, funds/corps/etc which has-been/is the problem, as they buy-up `dozens` of homes at a time’

Link?

still not paying attention dumpty, ”””link””’ has been dropped here several time on this blog

””’make a statement without foundation, logic or justification””’is a teabag virtue

(Although, radical leftie outsiders somehow seem to still feel it’s their place to pass almost-negative comment on the outstanding performance of the Abbott-LNP Government’s programme to eliminate debt and waste while strengthening the economy; even as the generic aspirational wordings sound somewhat similar: Invest in people, infrastructure and technology for future prosperity.)

(Another treacherous truthiness from the treasonous ABC: “Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has declined to comment on reports the boat had been intercepted, saying that starving people smugglers of information about their boats had successfully stopped them.” And certainly one I’d be loathe to question or to repeat, lest I, too, be accused of giving succour to, or doing the bidding of, people smugglers, and in a manner obviously so contrary to the advices of the expert policy-setter who has stopped the boats.)

(Good to know that a (no) duty of care is strongly supported by a(n imputation of) voluntary assumption of risk in addition to the revisionary (in)voluntary more-likely-than-not calculus, too …

“Australia’s Immigration Minister, Scott Morrison, declined the ABC’s request for an interview but a spokesperson for the Minister said “the government rejects the baseless allegations regarding involuntary returns”.

“All voluntary returns are voluntary,” the spokesperson said.

“Where someone chooses to return, a package is tailored to their circumstances.”)

Home prices in China trending down until end of year, but crash not expected

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2014-07/02/content_17636007.htm

This is what our immigration “debate”, failed by Labor, libs, greens and the media collectively, has brought us

Really? Did he answer the question which was about the sustainability of (recurrent) spending as the population ages?

He then moves to talk about spending on infrastructure and wealth generation.

The problem we have it that there is so much spending on a bloated public service, all forms of pensions, defence and corporate welfare.

Few object to prudent and properly planned and costed expenditure on infrastructure. I get a little annoyed with all the PPPs which incur higher interest charges than those applying to public borrowing.

Did he answer the question

It was actually in the portion I pasted, you didn’t even need to go to the site. Try reading closer yomm. Or did you just not like the answer?

LOL

Before you go quoting Joseph Stiglitz I suggest you read this………………

https://www.imf.org/external/np/vc/2002/070202.htm

He’s actually one of America’s least credible economists and he’s visiting our shores to feed an insatiable ego and wallet (nothing wrong with the wallet part especially if he’s stealing off nutcase Lefties)

He’s actually one of America’s least credible economists

Says Kenny lol

He is firmly in the “The Only Way to Tackle Debt is to take on more Debt”” camp.

Then again you follow the writings of Catching Up

What is that theory” again…………………..?

Something like………..

“Äustralia is Sovereign within its own Sovereignty therefore it can print as much money as it likes being a Sovereign nation of it’s own Sovereign currency”

Yeah………….that works

ROFLMAO

Nobel………….?……………………..didn’t they give someone a Peace Prize before they’d even taken Office…………………..

And I think they awarded the Economics Prize to Europe at one stage too

Oooooooh ……..yeah…………………………….Lots of cred there

didn’t they give someone a Peace Prize before they’d even taken Office

So, you need an “office” to promote peace do you?

Then where did he differentiate between wealth generating infrastructure expenditure and the recurrent expenditure associated with an aging population?

He fudged it.

By the way, Milton Friedman also won the Nobel Prize in Economics, do you think that automatically makes his theories invincible?

do you think that automatically makes his theories invincible?

You’ll have to point me to where I said that.

“”Sri Lanka not everyone’s ideal country””

Oh………..poor TomR……………………….being deprived of a “Trophy Boat”” must hurt

being deprived of a “Trophy Boat”” must hurt

So I assume then that you approve of sending the persecuted back to their persecutors?

“Persecutors” ………………the War is over…………………….the government is basically chasing up on War Criminals

SL is quite peaceful now

SL is quite peaceful now

I didn’t realize you were such an expert on the subject.

”The screening process has real dangers,” said human rights advocate Julian Burnside, QC. ”If a person is screened out by those four cursory questions and if the person is a refugee then we will be guilty of refoulement.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/four-questions-then-back-to-sri-lanka-20140702-3b8uf.html#ixzz36MhxBNAL

Those desparate Sri Lankan Tamils need to flee across a vast Ocean because India is so far away.

You really aren’t an expert on this are you 😯

These facts we know: There are confirmed reports of Tamil refugees headed for Australia. They are Sri Lankan Tamils who had gone to India and set out from Puducherry

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/silence-on-missing-asylum-seeker-boat-a-disgrace-to-the-nation-20140702-zstko.html

Truly Burnside is a contemptible cretin.

And you are truly an individual blessed with limitless imbecilic potential.

“”I didn’t realize you were such an expert on the subject.””

I’m not.

But I was there in October last year touring around the countryside.

Investment is pouring into the joint now. It wouldn’t be if there was any lingering doubt about ongoing peace.

Colombo is like a vast building site with brand new hotels and old colonial buildings being renovated.

It will be a very popular destination for Aussies in future. The Dutch and the Poms certainly like it as Egg would no doubt confirm.

I have much to learn from you

Obviously, because just this morning you have learnt that

Sri Lanka is not a safe place for Tamils

The boat did not leave from Sri Lanka

Nobel prizes mean something.

I’ll let you have a little nanny nap now to absorb it all so your edication can resume at a later date 😉

Clearly this has important productivity benefits.

indubitably

Who says the Reserve Bank did not want the money??

the Reserve Bank

Here’s another thing pointing to the cunning plan behind Joe Hockey’s $8.8 billion gift to the Reserve Bank this week: the Reserve board wasn’t asking for it, didn’t think there was any urgent need for it.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/trader-joe-playing-the-forex-tables-20131025-2w5v6.html

I’m sorry, I’m not seeing the bit where they are saying “we asked for the money”

I’m sure they didn’t mind it, but, they also said they were happy to rebuild the reserve over time

Try not to make shit up nil

The RBA may not have asked Swan for extra money

And they didn’t ask hockey for it either. In case you missed it, that speech was AFTER hockey had given them the money.

According to Stevens it was a commitment made before the election. They may not have asked for the money but they did need it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-24/mckibbin-accuses-swan-of-economic-vandalism/5044474

From the last annual report, we see the reserve fund was driven down below $2 billion, so adding $8 billion gets back to where we need to be without crisis………….Mr Swan says if the request had been made to him, it would have been granted. But Professor McKibbin said this was a “bizarre statement”…………………….

The following year after I’d left, there was a small profit of over $1 billion.The treasurer was requested not to extract that from the balance sheet of the bank.

“He ignored that request and took $500 million so that he could reach the budget surplus in 2012-13. “

Swan was ASKED not to take out dividends because the reserve was being depleted but he did it anyway. So the RBA obviously need the money.

Twisting in the wind now,

If thats how you like to interpret it, feel free 😉

But the fact remains, we are paying interest on money not requested. Just adding to what hockey labelled an “unsustainable” debt. Obviously, not THAT unsustainable 😉

“But the fact remains, we are paying interest on money not requested”

Like you really care about interest on debt. And if the RBA sticks the money in the bank they will also earn interest. Net cost to Australia= zero.

Swan was asked not to take out dividend money but he did it anyway. So the RBA was telling Swan they were in trouble. But SWan did it anyway.

“Mr Swan says if the request had been made to him, it would have been granted. But Professor McKibbin said this was a “bizarre statement………

The following year after I’d left, there was a small profit of over $1 billion.The treasurer was requested not to extract that from the balance sheet of the bank.

“He ignored that request and took $500 million so that he could reach the budget surplus in 2012-13.”

“Stop obsessing about some miserable asylum seekers”

So shameless. A women who hates religion posting comments from a church. The USA is getting 35,000 illegal immigrants/month from Central America. That is 400,000/year. Not one of them is in trouble. They are seeking a better life. Do you agree with this?

Based on the numbers before the last election we were getting 3,000 boat people/month while refugees in UNHCR camps were unable to get into Australia.

Do you agree with asylum seekers who do not have $10,000 unable to get a place in Australia??

“and start looking at the huge migration into australia under the 457 visa pretence”

OK for once i agree with you. We do not need skilled immigrants unless we have a shortage

“money not requested”

Why would you?? The RBA requested, pleaded, asked Wayne Swan to not take dividends from Reserve Bank profit. But Swan did it anyway.

Leadership is important and Swan made it clear he would not listen to the Reserve Bank.

SWan told the truth but he lied.

“if you were in the same situation, would you?”

I was going to say of course but actually i do not know. What i do know is that there is large scale people movement from poor countries to wealthy countries. Most are not refugees but are people seeking a better life.

Raza Berati risked his life because he could not get a job as an architect in his home country.

How would you like it if 50,000 nurses migrated to Australia and you lost your job??

Wonder how long this will last before a court boots it

The Abbott government will try to use a new “national interest test” to deny permanent protection visas to refugees who have arrived “illegally” by boat or plane in an attempt to circumvent its stunning loss in the high court last month and implement its policy to refuse permanent settlement to all boat arrivals.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/03/revealed-coalition-to-use-national-interest-test-to-deny-permanent-protection-visas

Mind you, if they have “stopped the boats”, why bother?

And why are we practising refoulement?

“Its a great little island, up country is best, particularly Kandy.”

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ……………………….!

Yes………………….Kandy

It’s where I had the best curry of my entire life.

It was nothing like I had ever eaten before with with 5 or 6 seperate dishes and a local beer laid out before me and an extraordinary array of flavours of herbs and spices somehow having a “layered effect” on the taste buds.

Quite amazing.

All at a lunch at a quaint unpretentious little restaurant with a view over the Lake at Kandy.

And sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cheap

“………….that’s why so many patients are complaining about ‘foreign nurses’……….”

Finally you are exposed as a Xenophobic Misogynist Anarchist

LOL

“Before that, he was fine with things as they were”

Tom R, you really are a pathological liar. They asked Swan not to take out dividend money because reserves were being run down. That is a fact.

“Meanwhile, it just gets worst”

So a member of the ALP cheersquad is gloating about bad economic data. Just what is expected from a man who does not give a stuff about Australia. Unemployment was at 4.3% in 2007.

“that’s why so many patients are complaining about ‘foreign nurses’”

Not totally sure what you are saying but maybe you are getting what i am trying to say. There is large scale migration from poor countries to wealthy countries. It is just a lifestyle choice. A lot of them think we should give our jobs to them while we do unskilled work.

gloating about bad economic data.

Or highlighting the abysmal failure this load of toads is. We was promised a new Age of Aquarius. We was robbed

#thatWas.lt good photo, when can we organize a `boat` heading for the hague,

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””””””””””””””””’do you? do you agree with any of them coming to australia?
do boat people frighten you? does the thought of them make you pee your pants or fill you with impotent rage?”””””””””””’

#guffaw, and that was a nice piece of teabag-pounding 🙂

Well this is what is happening in the USA

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-border-chaos-20140614-story.html#page=1

“The Rio Grande Valley has become ground zero for an unprecedented surge in families and unaccompanied children flooding across the Southwest border, creating what the Obama administration is calling a humanitarian crisis as border officials struggle to accommodate new detainees. Largely from Central America, they are now arriving at a rate of more than 35,000 a month.”

I would say almost none of these people are refugees but they are coming for a better life. Not saying i would not do the same thing myself but we should be aware of what is happening.

What bothers me is skilled refugees. Our population is so small that the market could be easily flooded.

Why bust your guts to get a skill if the market is being swamped by economic immigrants? Most people who post here have no idea what is going on in some professions like scientific research. English is now the language of science and everybody from a non-english speaking country wants a job in Australia. In most labs 80% of the researchers are from overseas completely swamping the market.

These Teabag wingnuts are so predictably sanctimonious…
Reading the comments of people like Squeal who can’t write a word without bleating on about some version of the past and excuse suck with the flimsy nano skeric of perceived justification for heinous political warfare on the fabric of society…. fuck get me a bucket…

Oh its disgusting how…….
You’re either for or against us…..
Its all their fault….
Those people…
You will thanks us…
We’re the fire brigade….
We are the adults…

All the while breaking stone tablet promises from unworthy men,
* Social engineering,
* Radicalising society into a neocon nirvana of subservient class warfare
* Controlling information
* Removing citizens safeguards from vindication
* Empower the mouthpieces of the anointing overlords,
* Sycophants to the privileged
* Cigar puffing socially disconnected elitists
* Liars pretending to care
* Marginalising and victimising society’s disenfranchised as leeches

Hello… Alarm Bells.. the PM can’t string a sentence together… he has made himself minister for women’s affairs…. Compulsive liar..denialist… patterns of this stuff all his life…

The PM is a megalomaniac nut job…. get him the fuck outta there before he destroys us all.

Just fuck off and wake the up…. barf 🙄

Thanks, Tom R, for putting up the Labor press release. I might have missed it otherwise.

Thanks, Tom R,

No probs rusty 😉

Vindication?….hmmm.. hang on vilification ahhh.. teabag steamy

If you decide to organise a consortium, to buy a boutique hotel, you will keep me in mind as a possible stake steak holder?

Yeah I heard they use an egg to hold Tartare together 🙄

“…..,What a bizarre comment in the middle of this thread … very colonial …

and you as … quite out of touch, nay, ignorant, of the country you reside in and profit from …
Meanwhile, it just gets worst…….”

My simple response is…..

Go fuck yourself you moron !

“Yeah I heard they use an egg to hold Tartare together :roll:”

Actually RP using egg whites as a building material is extensive within the Middle Ages and ancient worlds.

Never liked Tartare though

LOL

I certainly hope something gets done about this

In a rare statement, the UN High Commission for Refugees said the organisation viewed ”with profound concern recent reports in the media and from the community in relation to the interception at sea of individuals who may be seeking Australia’s protection”.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/commission-slams-transfer-at-sea-as-clear-rights-breach-20140703-3bbi1.html

The gubamint keeping it all locked in secrecy doesn’t help, so I hope they suffer more for that. They promised they would be open and transparent. Of course, that was on the suckers side of the election.

‘A lot of them think we should give our jobs to them while we do unskilled work.’

That’s not right.

** chuckle

It would be political suicide and inappropriate. Here is the background to Tamil Nadu refugees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Tamils_in_India

So you CAN tax your way to prosperity ❓ 😯

No wonder the monkeys confused???

AUSTRALIANS will be softened up in the coming months to accept changes to the GST or face paying more income tax.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/abbott-government-to-deliver-message-that-tax-reform-imminent-either-higher-gst-or-hike-in-income-tax/story-fnihsrf2-1226977044548?nk=257e21a289c8e617524001c97cde769b

Its seems that non-refoulement would be politically incorrect and won’t happen.

You don’t read links do you.

For the first time, the Sri Lankan government confirmed that failed asylum seekers would be switched straight onto its navy ships at sea, even as the Australian government dug in on its hardline refusal to provide any information.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/commission-slams-transfer-at-sea-as-clear-rights-breach-20140703-3bbi1.html

Our “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” rolls into action 😦

Prime Minister Tony Abbott says we have all benefited from Britain’s original foreign investment because Australia was “unsettled” before the British arrived.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-says-australia-benefited-from-foreign-investment-because-it-was-unsettled-before-the-british-20140703-zsvby.html#ixzz36RCl3xGB

‘So, just making more unsubstantiated claims in support of morriscum’

No.

I’m in favour of taking all those refugees in Tamil Nadu and settling them at the Ord.

‘Australia was “unsettled” before the British arrived.’

The original humans also found this island unsettling and tended to wander about a lot.

I see you will be doing the same about our “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” also grodo

Terra Nullius …. land belonging to no one.

I can draw lines of a Map of Antarctica if you like with the various national claims……………….does that make it settled ?

‘The indigenous population weren’t really choosing to live in dry, dusty, flyblown places.’

They became widely dispersed across the whole island over 60,000 years and I agree there was probably around a million people here when Europeans arrived.

I blame Sir Joseph Banks for everything.

wow AO, even tabots bestest mundine has given him a slap. Bizarre, that’s the best it can be called.

Ignorant and insensitive, like those defending it here, is closer to the truth. And he wants to be the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs”

How more demeaning can he get? (please don’t take that the wrong way tabot, that’s not a challenge)

‘so its not just anthropogenic climate change science that Abbott thinks is ‘unsettled’

True, new evidence suggests it has nothing to do with our star or a particular trace gas. So we have no idea what to expect, which is vey unsettling.

Kitty its about the ownership, without a title deed nobody owns it. It was an excuse to sanitise imperial ambition.

Now if Banks had said its a god forsaken place and wouldn’t make a good gaol, then history would have been different.

For once i agree with the lefties. Sounds like Abbott was trying to impress the people who he was speaking to but forgot about the offense he could cause back home.

Abbott definitely put his foot in his mouth. I hope it is not what he actually believes but was a genuine mistake.

Abbott definitely put his foot in his mouth

I’m kinda speechless 😯

Well done nil 🙂

Someone on that buzzfeed link made a good comment also

Lora Remongtin

Also pretty offensive to Indigenous Australians to refer to the British invasion as ‘foreign investment’

Really, this is the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” 😯 ❓

‘just because aborigines didn’t have a piece of paper saying they own their country, doesn’t mean they don’t and it doesn’t give another country the right to take it from them.’

It was a couple of centuries ago and things were different then, countries were taken over willy nilly if the invaders had a good reason to do it.

If the American War of Independence hadn’t happened, Australia wouldn’t have become the dumping ground of British convicts. Some other sophisticated power would have seized this smallest continent and the outcome for the original people would probably have been the same.

I found Abbott’s speech, which has some interesting things to say about infrastructure and such. Which is not to excuse his foot in mouth, but to see the government’s thinking on issues of some importance.

http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2014-07-03/address-2014-economic-and-social-outlook-conference-dinner

Abbott is not what he was sold as… but anyone who knew anything about him before the election knew that. Sqweel and the other teabagging wingnuts can make apologies till they are blue in the face.. Abbott was a dud 10 years ago and he will not grow into the job, he just doesn’t have the mental capacity or strength of character for it. He is too used to chasing and scheming how to get the top job without any considered plan or vision to what he would do having got there . He is a partisan combatant who attacks first, His judgement is questionable and his capacity to think beyond his narrow ideological paradigm is just not cutting it.

He is melting in self destruction , its beyond his capabilities. Keating was a pragmatic cultured man of mental discipline holding the machination and delegation close with predetermined goal and an end game… Aboot has nothing..fuck all. Daily disasters , offending people, poorly thought out policy based on combatant ideological ends.. fucking disastrous PM….

So, apart from the stoopid shit, egg thought the speech wasn’t stoopid 😯

“Me, I’m just taking names of the history deniers here, with interest.”

Guffaw.

(It’s not clear that the basket shall overfloweth with 2014’s a ephemoral mere Presidency of the G20, it seems; perhaps, we really must look ahead to a 2015/16 awash with White Papers and taxing Constitutional reforms, possibly including a re-sponsorship of indigenous recognition, possibly with especial assistance from the Business Advisory Council, and the Commission of Audit, and Twiggy Forrest, and Pat McClure, and Warren Mundine, and etcetera, if we are not to fail in a fuller tally of reformist zeal’s manifest intents.

Nay, it would only be most uncharitable and unreasonably reductionist to presume of an abridged Ol’ Abbottonian circular: ‘With God’s guidance, the faith you have placed in the Coalition Family will be rewarded, my child. You, and welcome estranger Fraser, may now proudly kiss the humble ring’, Prime Minister – Address to the 57th Liberal Party Federal Council, Melbourne.)

””””””””””””””””””””’By the way which aboriginal cartographer drew that map back in the 18/19th centuries ?”””””””’

ignorance blubbering as usual,

while native peoples didn`t `draw-maps` each`nation` still knew their land and their land boundaries, the ocean to the east, the river to the west, the cliff/gorge to the south and the mountain-peak to the north,

that would be how natives of australia, africa, the americas, and most `tribal` peoples would know their land #blubbering-teabag

(Maybe, don’t forget to take an authority-issued, encrypted, RFID-chipped passport when going touring in the super-advanced 21st Century GIS cartography, either.)

Racial outbursts on public transport attracting world wide attention.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/04/why-are-there-so-many-racist-outbursts-on-public-transport

A nicely written, amusing article.

History should be studied in light of the social and political norms of the time. Anything else is retroactive moralising.

Followed by

That is correct and I applaud your intellectual clarity in this murky sea of ignorance.

Does the term “Mabo” mean anything to either of you two “intellects”?

‘Does the term “Mabo” mean anything to either of you two “intellects”?’

Its been over 200 years since the invasion and annexation of Oz. Seen through modern eyes it was blatant theft, but that’s history.

‘Do you think it might have anything to do with …’

Nah, racism is innate.

Few would disagree with his sentiments.

Except tabot, and those defending his ignorant rant.

Did Abbott say anything else in that speech?

Unfortunately, yes 😦

Tonight, I want to address the question: “whether a reforming prime minister can succeed any more in this country given the decisive shift in the system and culture against reform?”

Stop the Tax! Stop the NBN, Stop the Gonski, Stop the NDIS

And he thinks THAT is “reforming” ROFL

It’s why dams haven’t been built and the construction of new base load power stations is mostly put into the too hard basket.

Talk about ill informed, or is he just lying again?

The 1,000MW Wallerawang coal-fired power station near Lithgow has “switched” the lights out and ceased generation – the largest victim so far of the changing dynamics of Australia’s National Electricity Market.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/lights-out-at-1gw-wallerawang-coal-fired-power-station-27956

There is a very good story on this changing dynamic, which explains why base load power stations are not needed at the moment. It also explains WHY our power bills went so high so quickly. Greed is the answer.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2014-06-29/5549868

So yes, he said a lot, except, one sentence out stoopided all of the other stoopid, and, I didn’t read very much of his rant. It was hurting my head with the stoopid

Wallerawang is waiting for demand to pick up

Have a listen to the Background Briefing podcast grodo, the problem is, demand is falling, and it has everything to do with renewables providing the power and people being more aware of their own consumption. These things our “infrastructure” pm (like for womens and the indigenous) wants is past their use by dates. He really is an

Its terrific that Julia reduced consumption, but ultimately as our population heads towards 40 million we’ll need more baseload coal power until fusion comes online.

An increasing proportion of these new migrants will be Indian and Chinese engineers.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/tony_abbott_infrastructure_vision_4qeHKFdI5pVjOeqqOmJTHO

”l have heard brickies, sparkies, plumbers/etc talk about their kids, saying they are sending them to uni/biz-college, and won`t let`em be tradies, simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`

“simply because…” Is that so?

Parents generally seek to have their children pursue occupations that involve higher education or more money or that are less physically onerous than their own.

Trades work can be intelligent, it is also generally physically demanding. Parents generally seek occupations for their kids that won’t result in bad backs

The image of trades work is also unattractive, and unions have a role to play.

Telecommunications work is generally seen as more professional, cleaner, less intense than (say) the electrical trade. In reality, many tasks are similar, and certainly electrical trades are paid more. The industrial and construction image that unions have promoted for that trade has made it unattractive for many young people, they’d prefer to work for $18 an hour as a waiter, than earn $30 an hour as an electrician.

How many brickies with a bad back actually say – “if only my son could become a bricklayer for his whole life, just like me…”?

“Anyone that qoutes anything from the OZ …………One for the denialist ignoramus….wont even bother with the solar lie its just too ridiculous”

The quote was from Fairfax. And the solar rebate scheme is having a large effect on power bills. Carbon tax also gives about an 8% increase.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/solar-flareup-will-burn-a-hole-in-every-pocket-20101030-17862.html#ixzz36YIJjj6x

Its important to see things in an historical context

So, do you agree with the dickhead comment that we were “unsettled” do you?

”They could have shared in this material growth and progress that is all important to white folks.”

I agree AO, it s**ts me big time.

Before whites arrived, the 500,000 or so indigenous people were living along the Murray and the coast, enjoying abundant food, a good climate and plenty of leisure.

People now only see the marginalized, dry, dusty outback communities and presume it has always been thus.

Then we have the ignorance of people like Bolt, who take every opportunity to disparage the descendants of those living in what is now known as Sydney and Brisbane. Any of them that are successful or speak out are called “part of the Aboriginal Industry” or “self interested” or “unrepresentative”

It’s a disgrace.

It was sparsely settled

So, do you think that is what he was trying to mumble when he said “Scarcely”?

One would have assumed that the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” would be able to get his twisted tongue around that. Better yet, don’t even go there. But no, we have an ignorant hick who has declared himself the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs”, who thinks the Aborigines were saved by a British “investment”

Nova Perris was correct to label the remark “highly offensive, incorrect and dismissed of Indigenous peoples”, and mundine just highlighted how much of a toadie of the pm he is when all he could muster was surprise at them.

Lets not forget the contempt the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” really feels for these first Australians.

The first lot of Australians were chosen by the finest judges in England

http://australianpolitics.com/2013/01/26/gillard-abbott-australia-day-citizenship-ceremonies.html

What a knuckle dragger

With the end of the carbon tax its assumed

Assumptions don’t change facts. Dream of what you want in the future, but face the reality of the past.

‘but face the reality of the past.’

It was an expensive damper on the free market.

…and it took about 70 or 80 years and a gold rush to get to about ½ mill non indigenous people. There was hardly a big rush to get past the notion of being scarcely populated.

It was a gaol and would have remained that way but for the industrial revolution, along with faster and safer ships, which changed everything.

‘very much sparser wouldn’t you say?’

Not sure of the Port Jackson population in 1787, before Europeans arrived, but we do know that 90% of them were wiped out by smallpox not long after the First Fleet arrived. There is an academic debate still going on as to who infected them.

‘I’m pretty sure 1788 is a little after the stone age.’

They had been cut off from the outside world and their tools were primitive, but the people around the top end had received new technologies through Indian and Indonesian influences, so they were no longer stone age people.

‘Between whom?’

Historians.

‘you’re all over the shop!’

Its a big island.

Here something on the smallpox outbreak of 1789.

http://treatyrepublic.net/content/origin-smallpox-outbreak-sydney-1789

Its a big island.

And I guess that, by today’s standard, you could say that it is “sparcely” settled

but, according to the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs”, under BRITISH rule, it is an “investment”, under Indigenous occupation, it is “unsettled”.

If you cannot understand how that remark; taken within its context, and viewed particularity within the history of his previous remarks and actions; isn’t “highly offensive, incorrect and dismissed of Indigenous peoples”, then there really is no hope for you.

And let’s not forget this little gem from the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs”

Tony Abbott has broken his campaign promise to spend the first week of his prime ministership with the Yolngu people in Arnhem Land, so News Corp is now pretending he never made it.

http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tony-abbotts-broken-indigenous-promise-and-news-corp-breaking-bad,5750

Has he been there yet?

He managed to spend weeks on the slopes of France? Any time for his promise?

‘One of these days I might have a look through :)’

Don’t go out of your way, the science is already settled.

“Allow me to translate above… We Won, So Shut Up.”

Which was absolutely not my point. My comment was in answer to this …

“the familiar refusal to countenance responsibility for colonial misdeeds”

In the context of the time, the colonisers/settlers/invaders were doing no wrong – either in their minds or the minds of those who sent them. Which doesn’t mean to say we can’t acknowledge and redress what we now know to have been injustices.

Cook had recorded signs that the coast was inhabited during the voyage north, and here he noted as he returned to the ship the great number of fires on all the land and islands about them, ‘a certain sign they are Inhabited’.

That would have been Unsettling

Actually, egg is correct about it being the subject of debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Fleet#First_Fleet_smallpox

Its unlikely they knowingly gave smallpox to the natives, because as Banks told the Admiralty, they are a ‘cowardly’ lot.

if earth is invaded by extraterrestrials

In their defence, they may have not considered it to be already settled, having focussed their searches on intelligent life only.

Excuse me egg, but I might have misread you. Did you just say that the Aborigine’s were not intelligent?

So, you are sticking by your opinion then that Aborigines are not intelligent, because, as tosy’s link earlier showed, the English certainly didn’t. It therefore must be your opinion.

That is really quite demeaning of you egg.

Actually, it wasn’t quite clear, and, as yet, you haven’t denied the insinuation you gave.

So, I’ll ask one last time then, do you consider the Aborigine’s not to be intelligent, as your initial comment insinuated.

In the context of both invasions, yes.

Considering that in the context of the British invasion they most certainly didn’t, one can only assume it is in your mind. Is it?

Then your opinion is as bad, if not worst, than our current pms opinion of the Aborigine peoples is.

A pox on both your houses.

So to recap, the Eora people were just as intelligent as the European invaders, but differed in their technologies.

Its worth noting that the First Fleet invasion force was close to starvation and would have perished if not for the return of La Nina. Which illustrates in spades how really bright whitey was.

oh yomm, my dear half-wit, you `present` yourself on `all-fours` once again,

””””””’Parents generally seek to have their children pursue occupations that involve higher education or ”’more-money”’ or that are ”’less-physically”’onerous than their own.”””””””””

#while `somewhat`true, the ””major””reasons are `continuity` and `security`, that`s what pays the homeloan,

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”””The image of trades work is also unattractive,”””’

#due to `security` and `continuity`

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”””and unions have a role to play.”””

#only to the willfully blind that have been pushed arse-backwards into cosy cubicle jobs and never rolled-up their sleeves and done any hard yakka,

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”””””””Telecommunications work is generally seen as more professional, cleaner, less intense than (say) the electrical trade. In reality, many tasks are similar, and certainly electrical trades””””””””

#do some research, WRONG

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”””””””many young people, they’d prefer to work for $18 an hour as a waiter, than earn $30 an hour as””””””a-tradie

#ya`got any proof of that, it looks wrong to me,

#ya`were bleating ya`cafe waiter was getting 40-bucks an hour not too long back, what, doesn`t that lie now fit this bullshit.?

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””””””’How many brickies with a bad back actually say – “if only my son could become a bricklayer for his whole life, just like me…”?”””””””’

How many tradies with a bad job and homeloan actually say – “if only my son could become a tradie for his whole life, just like me…”?’

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””’Teabagz mates”””

#this is the closest ya`come to being correct, (yeah, neighbors, friends, co-workers, over the years) ya`half-wit, you need to get out of the Tinfoil`cubicle` and see what other people do, and for how little, and non-secure/continuity #Teabags #privileged-pompous

that`s right, keep running you weak thing,

#Let.your.Tinfoil.protect.you

”””””””””””””””””’plenty of tradies are hitting retirement, while `training`numbers have dropped, and 50% of the apprentices don`t `complete`(as after a year or so, they realize there is no `continuity`/`security`, so they drop-out) as the `suits` prefer to employ the cheap-unskilled, which is already playing out in the safety-arena, with scaffolds, cranes and walls increasingly collapsing(not to mention brazillian freeways) due to negligent public and workers daring to actually use them, or pass by””””””””””””””

and 50% of the apprentices don`t `complete`

””’simply because””’

their daddy didn`t push`em arse-backwards into an overpaid, cosy cubicle job #teabags

Typically Teabagz runs away from the nonsense he spruiks. What he said-
”l have heard brickies, sparkies, plumbers/etc talk about their kids, saying they are sending them to uni/biz-college, and won`t let`em be tradies, simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`

So “teabagz mates” tell teabagz stuff like –

• My daughter is studying to be a professional engineer at university, I sent her there even though I would have preferred her to become a brickie, just like me, but I didn’t simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`

• Unfortunately I had to get my son to study architecture, he’ll finish up designing buildings, if only I could encouraged him to work on damp, cold, noisy construction sites, like me, but I couldn’t do that simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`

• My son is an accountant, working in some air conditioned office, earning $90k a year, if only he could spend his life lugging cable around the suburbs, through clogged, muddy pits and pipes and earn $50k a year, just like me, but I didn’t let him simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`

Teabagz spruiks crap, as usual.

The true exposure of the witch hunt comes shining through

grist for the mill

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Exactly AO. Parents are (hopefully) encouraging their kids into occupations that they will find stimulating/engaging.

I think being a plumber is great, and certainly trades can earn plenty.

But it’s hard, damp, odorous work, and I doubt whether many parents encourage their kids into tertiary education ‘simply because’ plumbing isn’t so secure these days due to the ‘suits’

”””””””””””’Typically Teabagz runs away from the nonsense he spruiks. What he said-
”l have heard brickies, sparkies, plumbers/etc talk about their kids, saying they are sending them to uni/biz-college, and won`t let`em be tradies, simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`
So “teabagz mates” tell teabagz stuff like””””””””””””’

#the only one ya fooled with ya reversed dot-points seems to be TB

#amount of hours yomm spent `actually` doing `any` of these jobs, ZERO

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But still expect, brickies, sparkies, plumbers and motor mechanics 🙂 etc, to work till they drop, eventually reach 70

#good point TB, and as ya brought it up, yeah, been an auto-shop TA too,

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How many tradies with a bad job and homeloan actually say – “if only my son could become a tradie for his whole life, just like me…”?’

#that was just a bit of sarc for yomm armchair

””””””””’Everyone wants their kids to have a better life than themselves, don’t want them to struggle in life.””””””””

#yep, armchair gets it

”””””””A plumber or electrician *CAN* earn much more than a white collar worker stuck in a cubicle or on the floor”””””””

#yes `can`, but not `always`, and not `all` of`em, the building/service work `many` do is `short-term` or by `project`, with `down-time` often between jobs

””””””””””’It’s hard for kids to get and keep employment, older generations never had that pressure when they started out, they are getting it now when they are retrenched as ruthless business keeps cutting and cutting.”””””””””

# 100% correct armchair, which in the past l`ve tried to point-out to TB

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”””””””””””””jobs for kids these days are a day to day event. it’s not even temporary any more, it’s akin to guys hanging out on a corner and selecting from the crowds there. Waiting for a phone call for a 6.30 start, maybe, probably not, seems to be becoming the norm.”””””””””

#yes tom-r correct, its not just the `kids` either

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”””””””’Engineering is stimulating. yet this gubamint appears to be doing everything possible to send it offshore. After not allowing Australian firms to even submit tenders for warships””””””””

#seems to me our Govts keep getting dumber by the minute tom-r

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…and 50% of the apprentices don`t `complete`
””’simply because””’
their daddy didn`t push`em arse-backwards into an overpaid, cosy cubicle job #teabags…

”””””””””””They don’t complete because they have adult commitments [family, children] and can’t survive on a pathetic apprentice wage. They also don’t complete because they have shit employers and colleagues who treat them badly.””””””””

#yep armchair, and the `continuity/security` aspect is part of that

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”””””””’lack of employer commitment by contract as they used to be (signatories were State Apprenticeship Board, Employer, Parents, Apprenticeship … apprenticeship training is also failing because of the amateurs involved, block training, group training schemes and extremely poor supervision and lack of understanding of the learning process””””””””””

#yep TB, agree, no indenture is no company commitment as far as l`m concerned

”””””””””””I think being a plumber is great, and certainly trades can earn plenty.

But it’s hard, damp, odorous work, and I doubt whether many parents encourage their kids into tertiary education ‘simply because’ plumbing isn’t so secure these days due to the ‘suits””””””””””””””””

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Where is my half-wit.?

He should be back by now.

With the `Kato` and the `extra-wide` bucket attached.

there he is 🙂

is there one for yawning about a dull, barely literate, bulls**t artist?

:yomm: 🙂

And so it begins ROFL

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