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Latest Polls Confirm: Everybody Hates Tony Abbott

July 1, 2014

 

If a Federal Election were held today the ALP would win in a landslide (57.5%, up 2%) cf. L-NP (42.5%, down 2%) on a two-party preferred basis according to today’s multi-mode Morgan Poll conducted the last two weekends  –  June 21/22 & 28/29, 2014.

This Morgan Poll on voting intention was with an Australia-wide cross-section of 2,797 Australian electors aged 18+. Primary support for both major parties is down with the ALP primary vote at 36.5% (down 1.5% from the last released Morgan Poll a fortnight ago) whilst the L-NP primary vote is 35% (down 1.5%).

Among the minor parties Greens support is 12% (unchanged), support for the Palmer United Party (PUP) is 7% (up 1.5%) and support for Independents/Others is 9.5% (up 1.5%).

Support for the Palmer United Party increased noticeably on the second weekend following Palmer’s joint announcement on climate change with former US Vice-President Al Gore and is now highest in the two mining States which elected PUP Senators: Palmer’s home State of Queensland (13%) and Western Australia (10%). Support for PUP is significantly lower in New South Wales (5.5%), Victoria (4.5%), Tasmania (4%) and South Australia (3%).

Analysis by Gender

Analysis by Gender shows that ALP support remains strongest amongst women with the ALP 61.5% well ahead of the L-NP 38.5% on a two-party preferred basis. Support amongst men is closer with the ALP 53.5% still ahead of the L-NP on 46.5%.

Analysis by States

The ALP maintains a strong two-party preferred lead in all six Australian States. New South Wales: ALP 57.5% cf. L-NP 42.5%, Victoria: ALP 58.5% cf. L-NP 41.5%, Queensland: ALP 54% cf. L-NP 46%, Western Australia: ALP 54.5% cf. L-NP 45.5%, South Australia: ALP 59.5% cf. L-NP 40.5% and Tasmania: ALP 64% cf. L-NP 36%.

Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating

The Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating has fallen to 95.5 this week (down 2.5pts over the past fortnight). Now 39.5% (down 2%) of Australians say Australia is ‘heading in the right direction’ and 44% (up 0.5%) say Australia is ‘heading in the wrong direction’.

The Morgan Poll surveys a larger sample (including people who only use a mobile phone) than any other public opinion poll.

Gary Morgan says:

“The ALP (57.5%, up 2% in a fortnight) has a very strong lead over the L-NP (42.5%) on a two-party preferred basis as the new Senate prepares to sit for the first time next week. The most surprising announcement last week was Palmer United Party Leader Clive Palmer declaring at a joint press conference with former US Vice-President, and renowned global warming campaigner, Al Gore, that he now supports initiatives to combat global warming and climate change. Support for PUP increased to 7% (up 1.5%) following the announcement. 

“Palmer announced that PUP will support the abolition of the Carbon Tax, but only on the condition that Australia implements a Carbon Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) in its place to operate in line with Australia’s major trading partners. Palmer also announced PUP will oppose the abolition of the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, the Renewable Energy Target and the Climate Change Authority. Apart from the abolition of the Carbon Tax, all of these policies are currently opposed by the Abbott Government.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

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423 Comments leave one →
  1. July 1, 2014 2:15 pm

    18 months to go until the next Federal Election…

    #onetermtory

  2. July 1, 2014 2:47 pm

    Well Australia’s experiment with a radical religious neocon extremist sycophant has officially failed. This meglomaniac has lied his unworthy ass top the top job burning every bridge along the way in endeavoring to unravel the very social fabric of Australian society armed with nothing more than lies and a wishlist from his financial backers.

    People have woken up to the fact that both the ALP and the Coalition have abandoned their core values and let the factionalism of the neo right masquerade as centrist aided by big international corporate media.

    The quicker we can move back to centrist “issue based” political discourse and tackle the big issues confronting Australia’s future in bipartisan without politisation, the better.

    We now know that both parties need to get their houses in order to rebuild the core values of equality, social conscience and nation building through leadership not interest led division.

    One thing is for sure.. we now know how its not done and the consequence of listening to the lies of the unworthy in lust for nothing more than power.

  3. egg permalink
    July 1, 2014 2:58 pm

    Ricky I think you’ll find core values change over time to fit in with social mores, otherwise a party risks becoming irrelevant.

  4. egg permalink
    July 1, 2014 3:04 pm

    ‘Analysis by Gender shows that ALP support remains strongest amongst women ‘

    This is perfectly understandable and if Abbott is serious about winning the next election he will need to get them onside.

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 1, 2014 3:36 pm

    The choice – a schooner of bile or a pint of vomit?

  6. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2014 3:45 pm

    All the polls say is that Australians are stupid.

    They want to live off the govt. Put everything on the Mastercard.

    Dangerous times ahead.

  7. egg permalink
    July 1, 2014 4:24 pm

    ‘Dangerous times ahead.’

    Strongly disagree, peace and prosperity is coming.

  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2014 4:31 pm

    Nope. People are stupid.

    The Socialists/Leftists are going to rack up so much debt that the GFC will look like small bikkies.

    People should get out of debt while they can. Just imagine if interest rates double and people have borrowed beyond their means?? Remember Paul Keating and his 18% home loan interest rates??

  9. July 1, 2014 4:44 pm

    “People should get out of debt while they can. Just imagine if interest rates double and people have borrowed beyond their means?? “

    Finally a comment from Neil that’s worth reading.

    It’s a good point Neil. In fact it was only the other day I was reading an article about how the current minor resurgence in the economy – predominantly housing construction – is being driven by low interest rates and not really for any other reason.

    If there are people out there borrowing to invest in property simply because of low interest rates, they’re going to well and truly fucked over if and when interest rates start to climb.

  10. egg permalink
    July 1, 2014 5:02 pm

    ‘Nope. People are stupid.’

    The electorate is not stupid, enlightened self interest will guide us. I’m sensing from the comments that there is dissatisfaction with our politicians, mediocrity is unfortunately the mainstay of the democratic process.

    Abbott’s vision is to open up the country with Chinese assistance, hence peace and prosperity.

  11. egg permalink
    July 1, 2014 5:08 pm

    Continued immigration inflows should avoid a precipitous drop, but a hiatus is still on the cards.

  12. July 1, 2014 5:14 pm

    Yay. Noise-polls. ln-depth reporting.
    _____

    ””’18 months to go until the next Federal Election . . #onetermtory””

    but it`s not like`ya counting or anything, 🙂
    it`s just a passing observation 🙂

  13. July 1, 2014 5:41 pm

    roy likes making outrageous claims like

    ””If a Federal Election were held today the ALP would win in a landslide””

    but has roy ever consulted `our` teabags.? l doubt it, and l can`t see Tinfoil`osy supporting roy`s claims, nor yomm and kneel

    and all this ””the ALP would win in a landslide”” stuff is pure nonsense, that even ricky wouldn`t bother to peddle, who unlike roy, knows the alp are still doing all they can to be `un-electable`

  14. Meta permalink
    July 1, 2014 5:43 pm

    (According to the BIS, all is well and a virtuous vortex is being created: “low rates validate themselves”.)

  15. July 1, 2014 5:57 pm

    abc1 news, disability talking-head said mr-rabbit has plan to get people `out-of` welfare, but NO plan to get people `into` living-jobs.
    ______

    #yay for slash and burn

  16. July 1, 2014 5:59 pm

    sorry #drum not #news

  17. July 1, 2014 6:07 pm

    The truth in those of evil scorn
    Is lies cast for themselves
    Blind faith belief betrayed to be
    Disguised as something else

    Around the truth the liar danced
    Amusing to behold
    While he fleeced your faith in trust with smear
    For promises of gold

    He moralised from judgments horse
    With one eye on the prize
    Then sells his soul in powers lust
    With hate faux outrage lies

    He made a deal for all or none
    To dance on puppet strings
    To win a cup he’ll never fill
    Destroying everything

    Abbott Habit speaks in tongues
    Twists truth to suit his ends
    Double speak in wilful lie
    No conscience offends

    Without a script In freeform thought
    The true man is revealed
    The only mantra from his lips
    Is the idiot concealed

    The cult of Tony wakes in fright
    Those led by schemes opinion
    Dozers sleep in lazy thought
    Follow sycophants and minions

    So wake the nation Ring the bell
    Truth stir from bitter fog
    The lowest ebb when unworthy strike
    Turns discontent to mob.

    One term Tony bankrupt of truth
    No mandate all slogan surprise
    Let history’s fury judge unworthy men
    Elected on the flight of a lie

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2014 6:36 pm

    What a great piece of prose, RP!

    Could I suggest … the last line to rhyme … ie “Elected on the flight of lies … “

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2014 6:46 pm

    From Meta’s link …

    “Financial markets have been exuberant over the past year, at least in advanced economies, dancing mainly to the tune of central bank decisions,” it observed.

    And at the risk of Wally’ Wrath for repeating myself … 🙂 how many times have I referred readers here to …

    “The Creature From Jekyll Island”, G. Edward Griffin

    Traces the history of the Federal Reserve, revealing how the American government has used the Reserve as a way to deceive taxpayers and control the global economy and explaining how the Reserve influences the flow of money between citizens, businesses, banks, and the government.

    https://www.google.com.au/#newwindow=1&q=the+creature+from+jekyll+island

    All central banks are designed for one thing – to protect the retail and commercial banks … consider how many changes have been made around the world (and here) since the GFC … eg before the GFC how many independent financial lenders were there? Who owns them now?

  20. egg permalink
    July 1, 2014 7:13 pm

    From Meta’s link… Mario Draghi reading from the Tony Abbott song book.

    “The road ahead may be a long one. All the more reason, then, to start the journey sooner rather than later.”

  21. July 1, 2014 7:45 pm

    What a great piece of prose, RP!
    Could I suggest … the last line to rhyme … ie “Elected on the flight of lies … “

    I actually changed it to exactly that but sadly had posted it.. Thanks TB 🙂

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    July 1, 2014 7:52 pm

    My pleasure, RP, glad your not offended … 🙂

  23. July 1, 2014 8:21 pm

    l still reckon all this `one-term` stuff is wish-full thinking from `Lefty`s and `may` be jinxing themselves, as l really doubt mr-rabbit will be `allowed` to pull any double-diss trigger and he will have a small army of `minder`s preventing the imbecile from doing so,

    (but l do hope l`m very, very wrong) 🙂 #teabags

  24. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 1, 2014 8:51 pm

    “If there are people out there borrowing to invest in property simply because of low interest rates, they’re going to well and truly fucked over if and when interest rates start to climb.”

    Same goes for Australia. We are paying much higher interest rates on our govt debt than the Europeans. Some countries have zero interest on govt debt and some countries have negative interest, whatever that is.

    WE are approaching govt debt levels where we lost our AAA rating under Hawke/Keating. If we lose our AAA this means even higher rates for govt debt. Best to start running surplus budgets before we lose our credit rating again.

  25. egg permalink
    July 1, 2014 10:00 pm

    ‘as l really doubt mr-rabbit will be `allowed` to pull any double-diss trigger’

    Its no longer necessary, once the abolition of the tax on a harmless trace gas is complete.

    As for the renewables etc. its highly likely that Abbott will give Jensen the chance to put on his warrior garb and go into battle against the green leftoids.

  26. July 1, 2014 10:06 pm

    it just sounds like teabag kum-bar-yah to me dumpty

  27. July 1, 2014 10:26 pm

    One term 4 sure.. no way anybody is gonna re elect this rabble, Abbott like Newman is politically fucked as his own bullshit has caught up with him.. The electorate have had enough of this international embarrassment…

    Squeal how you manage to type with your asshole is fucking amazballs. Poor Squeal cant get over the fact that Hawke and Keating modernised the economy… he needs to keep trying to disprove economic historical fact and legislated law with wiki wank…

    Its OK squeal move on sweetheart take the red pill.
    Poor dear can’t bring himself to talk about Hockey and Abbott because like historical fact.. he is in denial that he voted for imbecilic lying fucktards to run (down) the country…

    Australia Hates Abbott
    One Term Tony

  28. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 7:10 am

    By next election the Coalition government will be well on its way to returning the country to the dark side (back in the black), but more importantly they will have struck a deal with the Chinese state run organisations to build our nation.

    That is why the Abbott government is in for a decade.

  29. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2014 8:02 am

    This is just one of the reasons for the intense dislike

    After receiving dodgy advice from their Commonwealth Bank financial planner, Don Nguyen, they lost around $170,000.

    By 2009 they were reliant on social security to survive.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-01/asic-commbank-royal-commission-recommendations/5564256

    Not only, as this is being exposed, does the gubamint introduce legislation that will allow this to happen again, but they refuse to have a RC into the matter.

    So, they are happy to have witch hunts into an insulation program which had already found that the deaths were caused by unscrupulous operators, and a witch hunt into 20 year old case of a former PM’s that only AGAIN showed that there was nothing illegal performed by her, but they refuse to look into a major event that has bankrupted thousands, and set up the system to allow it to happen again.

    People can see who the gubamint is looking after, and no amount of whitewash can hide it.

  30. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2014 8:21 am

    And would they go this low?

    (That’s a rhetorical question)

  31. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2014 9:23 am

    But let’s hope Labor and the others can save us from the libs

    Senators have signalled they will block the removal of regulations aimed at loosening controls on financial advisers.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/senators-block-loosening-controls-financial-advisers

  32. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2014 9:48 am

    And it is good to see Bill Shorten slamming the “politicized” ( 😉 ) Treasury head

    ”I think this budget creates inequality and I saw that someone yesterday said that vague notions of fairness didn’t do this budget credit,” Mr Shorten said.
    Advertisement
    ”It is not vague if you are under 30 and have no income for six months, that’s real.
    ”It is not vague if you are working-class parents weighing up whether to send your kid to university and all of a sudden the cost of a science degree triples.”
    He said the budget was skewed strongly to hit the bottom 40 per cent of income earners hardest with any impost on the rich being mostly temporary.
    ”In four years’ time, someone earns a quarter of a million tax will not be paying the temporary income levy …
    ”But if you are on a pension your wage will be decreased,” he said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/bill-shorten-hits-back-at-treasury-head-20140701-3b6l0.html#ixzz36GPU6j6b

  33. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2014 9:51 am

    “If there are people out there borrowing to invest in property simply because of low interest rates, they’re going to well and truly fucked over if and when interest rates start to climb.”

    Its not just low interest rates. ‘

    Gillard/Rudd made it easier for SMSFs to acquire property plus they “restricted” overseas investors to purchasing new builds only (Its almost impossible to police that by the way since real owners can be hidden behind a corporate veil or trust veil)’

    So now an additional class of investor can gear their superannuation savings into property and foreigners see Australia as a relatively stable and desirable place to put their $.

    In Sydney now the gap between apartment prices and house prices has well and truly narrowed as many have given up the idea of a quarter acre block and are warming to the idea of living in a swank inner city suburb with all the cafes and restaurants and easy access to work where they could never afford a house but they can afford an apartment.

    Currently Sydney is experiencing a massive building boom courtesy of an insatiable demand for apartments in the $600K to $1.2M price range driven by foreigners, SMSFs and cultural change.

    I’m not sure I’d want to be in the market for a Sydney apartment at the moment.

  34. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2014 9:59 am

    Don’t these muppets even want to make a pretense of giving a shit?

    The Liberal senator, whose dissenting report the federal government is relying on to hose down calls for a royal commission on Commonwealth Bank, did not turn up to a crucial hearing at which victims of the bank’s financial planning scandal gave evidence.
    Official Hansard transcripts show David Bushby, who was deputy chairman of the inquiry committee, did not attend on April 10 this year, when it also heard from bank whistleblower Jeff Morris, CBA executives and Australian Securities and Investments Commission officials.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cba-financial-planning-scandal-senator-david-bushby-was-missing-at-crucial-hearing-20140701-3b6jm.html#ixzz36GSF96hR

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2014 10:17 am

    Poor dear can’t bring himself to talk about Hockey and Abbott …

    Who’s Hockey??????

  36. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2014 10:27 am

    Who’s Hockey?

    I think you will find it’s a “what”. Apparently, we are pretty good at it 😉

  37. July 2, 2014 10:41 am

  38. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 10:45 am

    ‘I’m not sure I’d want to be in the market for a Sydney apartment at the moment.’

    There is also an over supply of apartments in Beijing and the punters are sitting on their hands to see how far the price will fall. They are still familiarising themselves with the capitalist market.

    Sydney apartments prices are high because of the Chinese demand, so any hiatus should be temporary. They are less keen on air space and more interested in satisfying their land hunger, so the Coalition will need to bite the bullet.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2014-07/02/content_17635453.htm

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 2, 2014 11:04 am

    I’m keen to see a decline in property prices, not a collapse. Make housing affordable for the next generation.

    Otherwise it will be up to me to stump up most of the funding for the housing for my kids!

    Apartment prices must fall at some point because of supply

  40. July 2, 2014 11:10 am

    “Apartment prices must fall at some point because of supply”

    That’s the theory but there’s no shortage of cashed up mainland Chinese buyers fuelling demand to the detriment of first home buyers, of which there are fuck all.

    The only way for prices to subside will be for the Government to introduce restrictions around overseas buyers and/or for interest rates to rise.

    And the latter isn’t necessarily a guarantee of lower prices. In the 1990’s prices continued to rise despite interest rates of 11%….

  41. July 2, 2014 11:10 am

    “I’m keen to see a decline in property prices”

    Me too. Anywhere outside of Melbourne is fine with me.

  42. Land Rat permalink
    July 2, 2014 11:23 am

    Finally something we can all agree upon: Property prices should be lower everwhere except where I live.

    #nimby

  43. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 11:37 am

    ‘The only way for prices to subside will be for the Government to introduce restrictions around overseas buyers and/or for interest rates to rise.’

    Those restrictions have been in force for a few years, unfortunately the cunning buggers have been getting around that.

    Force them all into the bush and we’ll have China towns all over the island.

  44. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2014 11:42 am

    “”Force them all into the bush and we’ll have China towns all over the island.””

    Nah………………….no need to force them.

    Just spread some rumours that there is more gold to be found around Bathurst, Orange, Mudgee and we’ll have Penthouse Apartments from there all along the Nullabor to Perth in no time

  45. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 2, 2014 11:59 am

    The casues of Australia’s ridiculously high house prices are government regulation and bank lending pracitices. Foreign purchasers are a very small part of the problem.

  46. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 12:09 pm

    Newcrest has their hands in that pie already Walrus.

  47. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 12:19 pm

    ‘A recent report by Credit Suisse that estimates Chinese investors are snapping up 18 per cent of all new apartments and houses in Sydney, and 14 per cent in Melbourne.

    ‘Meanwhile both the National Party and the Australian Labor Party have been calling for more control over purchases of agricultural land. In the past few days there have been suggestions that Asian companies are seeking to acquire listed Australian properties …’

    AIIA

  48. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 2, 2014 12:28 pm

    Could that be because they can only buy new apartments? That stat is misleading and irrelevant.

  49. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2014 12:41 pm

    Foreign purchasers are a very small part of the problem.

    I recall a few months ago the “Chinese” factor was being highlighted by the msm, but the actual stats showed that they were a very small percentage within the market. As you said, a combination of Government stimulus and banking practices are the real issue, and have been pushing house pricing to unacceptable levels for well over a decade.

  50. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 12:45 pm

    They are only supposed to buy new apartments, but they have been flouting the rules big time. My son bought an old terrace in Marrickville a year ago and went to auction recently because he was sick of living under flight path.

    It went well over market value to a Chinese couple direct from the Middle Kingdom.

  51. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2014 12:45 pm

    This was where I heard it

    7. Look Over There It’s A Foreign Person! checks out Bernard Keane’s revelation that the usual handy diversion from young people’s anger about housing unaffordability – IT’S A CHINESE INVESTOR NOT ANYTHING WE’RE DOING – is total bollocks.
    http://somethingwonky.com/podcast/?currentPage=4

    Which in turn went here

    Well, let’s try some facts, courtesy of the Foreign Investment Review Board’s 2012-13 annual report, which has data on who is buying residential property. Total foreign investment in residential property in Australia fell in 2012-13, from $19.7 billion to $17.2 billion….

    Residential property investment from China is substantial. Chinese buyers are the biggest foreign real estate investors: in 2012-13 they purchased just under $6 billion in real estate — but that includes commercial real estate, which is twice as large a target for foreign investment as residential real estate.
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/03/10/chinese-real-estate-invasion-not-according-to-the-data-fellas/

  52. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2014 12:48 pm

    It went well over market value to a Chinese couple direct from the Middle Kingdom.

    Well that settles it then, BAN ‘EM ALL!

    Really, you should join up with whatsisnames(?) research team who once told us there was nothing wrong with the barrier reef cos his buddies saw some coral once or some such rot 😯

  53. July 2, 2014 12:51 pm

    “They are only supposed to buy new apartments, but they have been flouting the rules big time.”

    Anecdotally I find that hard to believe as they do have a definite preference for new apartments – largely due to cultural/feng shui reasons..

  54. July 2, 2014 12:52 pm

    Snacty’sMates™

  55. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 12:52 pm

    ‘Well that settles it then, BAN ‘EM ALL!’

    No, welcome them with open arms, its the revolution we have to have.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-15/an-chinese-australia-housing-market/5262374

  56. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 1:00 pm

    ‘Anecdotally I find that hard to believe…’

    Its real, you’ll have to take my word for that. A few months ago a Chinese family became my next door neighbours in a 1920s home. Lovely people.

  57. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 2, 2014 1:02 pm

    Yeah, but a lot of devious Chinese get around the rules by being born here or by becoming residents. They are easy to spot at the auctions.

  58. Tom R permalink
    July 2, 2014 1:05 pm

    Snacty’sMates™

    ROFL, that was the one reb 🙂

  59. July 2, 2014 1:09 pm

    Some things are hard to forget Tom….

    Despite one’s best efforts.

  60. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 1:10 pm

    ‘They are easy to spot at the auctions.’

    Yeah they speak English and sign their names accordingly, but that is not what is happening.

    The government should relax regulation, not tighten it.

  61. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 2, 2014 1:23 pm

    No government is actually serious about reducing housing prices. If a government actually knocked a couple of hundred thousand off the value of every Australian home they would be murdered at the polls.

    If a government actually wants to reduce house prices it should cut regulations which add, on average, $200k to the price of a new block of land.

    Governments can slow the growth of the market by ending negative gearing, making the CGT discount applicable only to properties held for 10 years and/or penalising banks who lend more than 80% of the value of the property.

    The common feature of those housing markets around the world which are at the top of the table when it comes to cost of housing is greater regulation of the market.

  62. July 2, 2014 2:05 pm

    What is this year of the Chinese Omelette?
    Yes here hear Splatter …fuck negative gearing off…killing the FHP market 🙂

  63. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2014 3:19 pm

    The government should relax regulation, not tighten it.

    They stopped the boats so what’s next? The planes?

    Governments can slow the growth of the market by ending negative gearing, making the CGT discount applicable only to properties held for 10 years and/or penalising banks who lend more than 80% of the value of the property.

    What can I say a five star paragraph … ☆☆☆☆☆

    Then to fix the economy everybody simply pays 20% on any earnings … no questions, no claims, no rebates … just 20% – including businesses … and make the financial year from Jan 1 to Dec 31…

    It’ll mean that thousands of shiny arses may have to find a real job … but won’t that boost productivity? Shifting other people’s money about to beat the ATO really isn’t productive …

  64. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 4:05 pm

    Up until 2017 the government is committed to accepting 250,000 immigrants a year, which is putting great pressure on Sydney and Melbourne infrastructure.

  65. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2014 6:06 pm

    “Anecdotally I find that hard to believe as they do have a definite preference for new apartments …”

    Yep and I don’t have much of a problem if they just want to purchase airspace.

    But in Chatswood just across the Bridge in Sydney”s north there is an entire new build apartment complex that is only being sold via agents in China.

    That is a step too far

  66. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 6:17 pm

    ‘That is a step too far.’

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/18/what-you-need-know-about-new-chinese-wealth-flowing-australia

    Most of our immigrants are still coming from the UK and NZ but they don’t seem to have much money. Its bordering on racism to allow them to purchase a home on a quarter acre block and not the Chinese.

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2014 6:20 pm

    That is a step too far

    A Bridge Too Far? 🙂

  68. Walrus permalink
    July 2, 2014 6:26 pm

    “Its bordering on racism to allow them to purchase a home on a quarter acre block and not the Chinese.”

    If they are immigrants they still can. The Chinese are not being singled out. They are simply the most numerous buyers especially for apartments. They are now forbidden to have any more that 1 investment property in China

    No non citizen can purchase non new product here (apartments/houses)

  69. July 2, 2014 6:27 pm

    So the chinks want Chatswood.

    We can add that to Hurstville and Howick.

    First they take Manhattan, then they take Berlin….

  70. July 2, 2014 6:32 pm

    “They are now forbidden to have any more that 1 investment property in China”

    Also they’re realising that their own cities are becoming uninhabitable due to pollution (especially for the oldies), so what better idea than to buy an apartment or mansion for you grandchildren, fund their education to become a doctor lawyer, and then move here in their golden years to splurge their token spending money at the casino….

    Everybody wins!

    Except perhaps for Australian first home buyers….

    But they’re just leaners and bludgers anyway so who cares…

  71. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 6:56 pm

    ‘splurge their token spending money at the casino….’

    James Packer is very keen to see that come about.

  72. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 7:02 pm

    ‘No non citizen can purchase non new product here (apartments/houses)’

    I’ll follow that up.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    July 2, 2014 7:27 pm

    China Towns the silent, covert, bloodless invasion of the West …

    Why are politicians so inept …

  74. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 7:33 pm

    Non citizens can buy property in Australia.

    http://www.exfin.com/australian-property-firb

  75. July 2, 2014 7:51 pm

    on a certain reportland tonight,

    did `our` teabags notice that it costs $100K-per-prisoner/per-year to jail`em, and that`s gotta`be taken into account in `our` false economic teabag-wailing, as that is money that is taken `away` from other services and infrastructure,

    so when our teabags wail about poverty-line `dole`collecters getting 18K or so, if ya`force`em into crime, it will cost`ya 100K,

    that means teabags, 1-in-5 only need to be forced into crime for `you` to save $zero,

    if 2-in-5 are forced into crime, `you` just doubled ya`loses #stupid.Teabags

  76. July 2, 2014 8:30 pm

    most of the residential (suburban-homes) being bought-up has been by canadia and teh-usa, funds/corps/etc which has-been/is the problem, as they buy-up `dozens` of homes at a time, l doubt the individual/family buying a home to live in Aust `some` of the time is as much of a problem,

    l really couldn`t give a fcuk about `rich` people buying the `luxury` sydney beach-side mansions, there is sweet fcuk-all people can afford`em anyway, the problem IS the `ordinary` suburb as l see it

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 2, 2014 8:35 pm

    “1-in-5 only need to be forced into crime for `you` to save $zero

    Illustrative of a state of mind, as always.

  78. July 2, 2014 8:56 pm

    ”’Illustrative”’ that teabags can`t be `convinced/appealed-to` on the `correct`, `moral` or `human` grounds, only `economic` or `financial` grounds.

  79. egg permalink
    July 2, 2014 9:07 pm

    ‘most of the residential (suburban-homes) being bought-up has been by canadia and teh-usa, funds/corps/etc which has-been/is the problem, as they buy-up `dozens` of homes at a time’

    Link?

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 2, 2014 9:18 pm

    ” teabags can`t be `convinced/appealed-to` on the `correct`, `moral` or `human` grounds, only `economic` or `financial` grounds”

    id est “allow me to make a statement without foundation, logic or justification”

  81. July 2, 2014 9:20 pm

    still not paying attention dumpty, ”””link””’ has been dropped here several time on this blog

  82. July 2, 2014 9:24 pm

    wrong and still not paying attention yomm, ”””link””’ has been dropped here several times on this blog

  83. July 2, 2014 9:27 pm

    ””’make a statement without foundation, logic or justification””’is a teabag virtue

  84. Meta permalink
    July 3, 2014 1:36 am

    (I don’t know; a part of me still thinks that Tabbott is doing a heck of a job safeguarding and building upon the Howard Legacy(ies) of a Golden Age of Prosperity and Aspirational Nationalism.

    ———————————–

    Plus, it makes perfect sense in a Morrisonian wherethebloodyhellareya-world that Australia (a signatory to the Refu(sowhat)gee Convention) would assist would-be maritime-entry illegals from India (not a signatory) to get in contact with agents of the nearest available nation, Sri Lanka (a signatory, and a well-regarded ally in the war on smuggling and in uncompromising border enforcement), in the first and last instance, if they’re having mechanical issues under the Laws of the Sea.)

  85. Meta permalink
    July 3, 2014 2:11 am

    (Although, radical leftie outsiders somehow seem to still feel it’s their place to pass almost-negative comment on the outstanding performance of the Abbott-LNP Government’s programme to eliminate debt and waste while strengthening the economy; even as the generic aspirational wordings sound somewhat similar: Invest in people, infrastructure and technology for future prosperity.)

  86. Meta permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:15 am

    (Current ABF Cruise Lines itinerary rumour-guesstimate, from NewsCrop: “It is not clear whether the ship, operating under Operation Sovereign Borders, will steam all the way to a Sri Lankan port or will be met at sea by a Sri Lankan Navy vessel so that the boat people can be transferred.”)

  87. Meta permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:52 am

    (Another treacherous truthiness from the treasonous ABC: “Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has declined to comment on reports the boat had been intercepted, saying that starving people smugglers of information about their boats had successfully stopped them.” And certainly one I’d be loathe to question or to repeat, lest I, too, be accused of giving succour to, or doing the bidding of, people smugglers, and in a manner obviously so contrary to the advices of the expert policy-setter who has stopped the boats.)

  88. Meta permalink
    July 3, 2014 5:33 am

    (More good news: Australia welcomes Japanese Constitutional change, independent of the Japanese people, and of their views; one wonders, though, if the broader Japanese conservative constitutional reform platform, which expressly includes provision for restoring the Emperor as Head of Government and provides for the Head of Government to be accorded collective powers prior to and unlimited by any constitution and/or any constitutionally-guaranteed individual rights, will also be so welcomed.)

  89. Meta permalink
    July 3, 2014 5:49 am

    (Good to know that a (no) duty of care is strongly supported by a(n imputation of) voluntary assumption of risk in addition to the revisionary (in)voluntary more-likely-than-not calculus, too …

    “Australia’s Immigration Minister, Scott Morrison, declined the ABC’s request for an interview but a spokesperson for the Minister said “the government rejects the baseless allegations regarding involuntary returns”.

    “All voluntary returns are voluntary,” the spokesperson said.

    “Where someone chooses to return, a package is tailored to their circumstances.”)

  90. egg permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:37 am

    ‘still not paying attention dumpty, ”””link””’ has been dropped here several time on this blog’

    Without a verifiable link I’ll assume you’re just making shit up.

  91. egg permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:44 am

    Home prices in China trending down until end of year, but crash not expected

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2014-07/02/content_17636007.htm

  92. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 8:22 am

    Another treacherous truthiness from the treasonous ABC:

    Yes, it will be all the abc fault. Don’t worry, albrechtsen will dsort their commie asses out!

    Meanwhile, Labor should hang it’s head in shame for allowing the libs to plunge to even deeper depths of human bastardy. When will SOMEONE stop the Madness.

    Lets hope they get a large “welcoming” party together. Tell him that WE do not condone sending the persecuted back to their persecutors!

  93. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 8:28 am

    This is what our immigration “debate”, failed by Labor, libs, greens and the media collectively, has brought us

  94. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 8:34 am

    even as the generic aspirational wordings sound somewhat similar:

    Thanks META, luckily, the Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz spelt it out for me in words I could better unna’stand 😉

    STEVE CANNANE: The Government though is making the point that we’re already paying a billion dollars to finance the debt per month on the government debt and that is likely to blow out even further as Australia’s population ages. Is the kind of spending increases that you’re advocating for unsustainable?

    JOSEPH STIGLITZ: They’re very sustainable. I mean, think about it the following way: if you were a firm and you could borrow at very low interest rates – in Australia, the United States are currently able to borrow at a negative real interest rate. You know, take into account inflation. And you could take that money and you could invest it in high-return investments, investments in infrastructure, technology, education, in people, in making sure that all of your citizens are able to live up to their potential, then these investments more than pay back. We’ve done studies in the United States – I haven’t done them for Australia – but we’ve done studies in the United States where we looked at the return on these public investments across the board, and they yield a far higher return than the cost of capital. So, it’s actually making a country stronger when we make those investments.

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4036416.htm

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:13 am

    Really? Did he answer the question which was about the sustainability of (recurrent) spending as the population ages?

    He then moves to talk about spending on infrastructure and wealth generation.

    The problem we have it that there is so much spending on a bloated public service, all forms of pensions, defence and corporate welfare.

    Few object to prudent and properly planned and costed expenditure on infrastructure. I get a little annoyed with all the PPPs which incur higher interest charges than those applying to public borrowing.

  96. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:24 am

    “Non citizens can buy property in Australia.””

    OK Egg

    Vacant land for development in the next 12 months or thoise with visas or PR or Australian spouses are exempted. But broadly they still technically are not permitted if they are non citizens.

    But it doesn’t work anyway.

    Anyone can buy a couple of companies online then get a trust deed drawn up slot one of the companies(A) in as the trustee of the trust then the other company(B) becomes the beneficiary of the trust and Mr Lee in Beijing can be the owner of its shares.

    The only thing appearing on the title deeds is “”Owner : Company A as trustee””

    And that’s it.

    Who is going to do a corporate search on that ?

  97. July 3, 2014 9:28 am

    So Barnaby Joyce wants to create more States in Australia so there can be more local government… That ought to help break down the bloated public service….

    *sarcasm alert

  98. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:33 am

    The problem we have it that there is so much spending on a bloated public service, all forms of pensions, defence and corporate welfare

    If that is the case, start lambasting the current gubamint

    The problem we have it that there is so much spending on a bloated public service, all forms of pensions, defence and corporate welfare

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-14/koukoulas-the-better-economic-manager/4427680

  99. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:35 am

    Did he answer the question

    It was actually in the portion I pasted, you didn’t even need to go to the site. Try reading closer yomm. Or did you just not like the answer?

  100. Meta permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:43 am

    (If I understand the reference to the Constitutional Values Survey 2012 (pdf) in the White Paper on the Reform of the The Federation Terms of Reference aright, then Barnaby is unequivocally correct; Australians are almost unanimously clamouring for less responsibility from Federal Government and more devolution and pseudo-competition between and among more-empowered petit potentates.)

  101. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:45 am

    LOL

    Before you go quoting Joseph Stiglitz I suggest you read this………………

    https://www.imf.org/external/np/vc/2002/070202.htm

    He’s actually one of America’s least credible economists and he’s visiting our shores to feed an insatiable ego and wallet (nothing wrong with the wallet part especially if he’s stealing off nutcase Lefties)

  102. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:51 am

    Stiggledick is chairman of the Socialist International Commission on Global Financial Issues. Littel wonder that Tom R is feasting on his feces.

  103. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:52 am

    He’s actually one of America’s least credible economists

    Says Kenny lol

  104. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:55 am

    feasting on his feces.

    Just like those fools at the Nobel Foundation too I guess ROFL

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:59 am

    Perhaps he didn’t win the prize for his voodoo economic policy prescriptions?

  106. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:59 am

    I know he wasn’t a fan of the Labor Governments, but he never went off like this, and deservedly so too.

    Outgoing disability discrimination commissioner Graeme Innes has fired a barrage of parting shots at the Abbott government, declaring it may be time for him to move on because he has ”no stomach to advocate for the rights of bigots”.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/outgoing-disability-discrimination-commissioner-graeme-innes-fires-parting-shots-at-abbott-government-20140702-3b83a.html#ixzz36MIublRq

  107. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:02 am

    He is firmly in the “The Only Way to Tackle Debt is to take on more Debt”” camp.

    Then again you follow the writings of Catching Up

    What is that theory” again…………………..?

    Something like………..

    “Äustralia is Sovereign within its own Sovereignty therefore it can print as much money as it likes being a Sovereign nation of it’s own Sovereign currency”

    Yeah………….that works

    ROFLMAO

  108. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:03 am

    So you think he is a late bloomer ❓ 🙂

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stiglitz

  109. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:04 am

    Nobel………….?……………………..didn’t they give someone a Peace Prize before they’d even taken Office…………………..

    And I think they awarded the Economics Prize to Europe at one stage too

    Oooooooh ……..yeah…………………………….Lots of cred there

  110. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:05 am

    He is firmly in the “The Only Way to Tackle Debt is to take on more Debt”” camp.

    Are you seriously trying to claim that is what he said 😯 ❓

  111. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:06 am

    didn’t they give someone a Peace Prize before they’d even taken Office

    So, you need an “office” to promote peace do you?

  112. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:07 am

    The depths of this gubamint are plunged daily

    A senior bureaucrat who was forced to apologise for misleading a federal Senate inquiry into petrol sniffing in Aboriginal communities and who appeared on an ABC current affairs program under a false identity has been appointed the nation’s first ‘Threatened Species Commissioner’.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/02/abc-lateline%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98fake-youth-worker%E2%80%99-wins-plum-abbott-govt-job

    The only species not threatened here appear to be lying scumbags

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:10 am

    Then where did he differentiate between wealth generating infrastructure expenditure and the recurrent expenditure associated with an aging population?

    He fudged it.

    By the way, Milton Friedman also won the Nobel Prize in Economics, do you think that automatically makes his theories invincible?

  114. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:14 am

    The fucking understatement of the century

    Sri Lanka not everyone’s ideal country

    But hey, torture happens.

  115. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:16 am

    do you think that automatically makes his theories invincible?

    You’ll have to point me to where I said that.

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:16 am

    Leftists are going apeshit now the drownings have stopped.

  117. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:17 am

    “”Sri Lanka not everyone’s ideal country””

    Oh………..poor TomR……………………….being deprived of a “Trophy Boat”” must hurt

  118. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:26 am

    Apparently a Nobel Prize adds credibility for an economist that doesn’t answer the question, but doesn’t do much to support the economic analysis of Friedman.

  119. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:02 am

    being deprived of a “Trophy Boat”” must hurt

    So I assume then that you approve of sending the persecuted back to their persecutors?

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:05 am

    You are going to have to point to where Wally said that.

  121. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:07 am

  122. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:08 am

    You are going to have to point to where Wally said that.

    I did say it was an assumption I made because of his comment. He is free to correct that assumption, but, I’m not sure what other one can be made.

  123. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:12 am

    “Persecutors” ………………the War is over…………………….the government is basically chasing up on War Criminals

    SL is quite peaceful now

  124. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:15 am

    Wally (rightly) assumed that the idiot left is in desparate need of a trophy boat. This one was obviously co-ordinating tactics with activists and their media lackeys were breathlessly building this up as a government failure.

    You made the assumption that the passengers on the boat were “persecuted” although I didn’t give any evidence of this.

  125. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:18 am

    SL is quite peaceful now

    I didn’t realize you were such an expert on the subject.

    http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/Sri_Lanka_12_09_18_Detention_Torture_in_Sri_Lanka.pdf

  126. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:30 am

    although I didn’t give any evidence of this.

    You didn’t give any indication that they weren’t.

    The rest of the world realise what Sri Lanka is like, everyone but our own little right wing chorus who live in a world of their own.

  127. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:38 am

    ”The screening process has real dangers,” said human rights advocate Julian Burnside, QC. ”If a person is screened out by those four cursory questions and if the person is a refugee then we will be guilty of refoulement.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/four-questions-then-back-to-sri-lanka-20140702-3b8uf.html#ixzz36MhxBNAL

  128. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:38 am

    I certainly didn’t give any evidence that the peope on the boat were persecuted because there is none. Neither did you! You just made the assumption.

    Generalised claims about Sri Lankan persecution aren’t the issue here. The question is whether these alleged refugees were actually victims of persecution. Either way they are pawns in a leftist media stunt.

    We all know the left is apoplectic that Sri Lanka actually defeated a truly vile terrorist organisation.

  129. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:41 am

    Burnside has zero credibility. He should stick to what he does best – encouraging children to do his dirty work like spitting on Scott Morrison. That appears to be the closest this posturing fool has ever got to a logical argument.

  130. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:44 am

    The hard-line approach has brought boat people arrivals to a virtual stop – a feat trumpeted by the government.
    An expert in international law, Donald Rothwell, told The Telegraph that a transfer of Tamil asylum seekers to Sri Lanka would be a flagrant breach of the United Nations refugee convention.
    “The whole rationale of the convention is to place obligations on countries to receive persons who are fleeing because they have a legitimate fear of persecution,” he said.
    “To directly return Sri Lankan Tamils back to Sri Lanka is – at face value – in direct contravention of the convention.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10941560/Tony-Abbott-accused-of-handing-Tamil-asylum-seekers-back-to-Sri-Lanka.html

  131. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:49 am

    Yep. Those desparate Sri Lankan Tamils need to flee across a vast Ocean because India is so far away.

  132. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:54 am

    Neither did you!

    Wakey wakey

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/01/latest-polls-confirm-everybody-hates-tony-abbott/#comment-64058

    The question is whether these alleged refugees were actually victims of persecution.

    Exactly, we don’t know, but, the gubamint has made an assumption, like you have, and made a determination on that assumption. The evidence (as linked to above) shows that assumption to be a brave one at the very least.

  133. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:57 am

    Those desparate Sri Lankan Tamils need to flee across a vast Ocean because India is so far away.

    You really aren’t an expert on this are you 😯

    These facts we know: There are confirmed reports of Tamil refugees headed for Australia. They are Sri Lankan Tamils who had gone to India and set out from Puducherry

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/silence-on-missing-asylum-seeker-boat-a-disgrace-to-the-nation-20140702-zstko.html

  134. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 12:01 pm

    So they are fleeing persecution in India now?

    Truly Burnside is a contemptible cretin.

  135. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 12:07 pm

    Truly Burnside is a contemptible cretin.

    And you are truly an individual blessed with limitless imbecilic potential.

  136. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 12:16 pm

    I have much to learn from you, Tom R. Evasion, distraction and always sticking to the ALP talking points. Where do you get those anyway? You are so good you probably write them!

  137. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 12:18 pm

    “”I didn’t realize you were such an expert on the subject.””

    I’m not.

    But I was there in October last year touring around the countryside.

    Investment is pouring into the joint now. It wouldn’t be if there was any lingering doubt about ongoing peace.

    Colombo is like a vast building site with brand new hotels and old colonial buildings being renovated.

    It will be a very popular destination for Aussies in future. The Dutch and the Poms certainly like it as Egg would no doubt confirm.

  138. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 12:20 pm

    “You are so good you probably write them!”

    On the back of a beer coaster I’d say Splatter

    That’s where all the ALP’s planning and talking points eminate

  139. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 12:22 pm

    I have much to learn from you

    Obviously, because just this morning you have learnt that

    Sri Lanka is not a safe place for Tamils

    The boat did not leave from Sri Lanka

    Nobel prizes mean something.

    I’ll let you have a little nanny nap now to absorb it all so your edication can resume at a later date 😉

  140. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 12:41 pm

    “I’ll let you have a little nanny nap now “

    Why thank you. I have been agitating at work for provision to be made for some postprandial downtime. Clearly this has important productivity benefits.

  141. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 12:55 pm

    Clearly this has important productivity benefits.

    indubitably

  142. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 2:33 pm

    I see someone has posted Koukoulas

    “If Mr Hockey didn’t give the RBA $8.8 billion it don’t want, govt debt wld be 0.7% of GDP lower & interest paid $30 million a month lower”

    Who says the Reserve Bank did not want the money??

    And while interest payments will cost an extra $30M/year, net cost to Australia is most probably zero. The RBA has at least three options for the borrowed/lent money

    1. dig a hole in the ground and bury the money
    2. put the $8.8B in the bank and earn interest
    3. use the money to purchase currency and make a profit or loss on the borrowed money.

    If the RBA takes option 2 the net cost would be zero because interest on borrowed money would equal interest obtained from the money in the bank. I am sure that the interest rate on the borrowed money would be the same as the interest rate obtained from having the money in the bank since we are borrowing the money from ourselves, so net cost = zero.

  143. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 2:49 pm

    Who says the Reserve Bank did not want the money??

    the Reserve Bank

    Here’s another thing pointing to the cunning plan behind Joe Hockey’s $8.8 billion gift to the Reserve Bank this week: the Reserve board wasn’t asking for it, didn’t think there was any urgent need for it.
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/trader-joe-playing-the-forex-tables-20131025-2w5v6.html

  144. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 3:05 pm

    That is not what the RBA Governor said

    http://www.rba.gov.au/speeches/2013/sp-gov-291013.html

    The high exchange rate has also had a significant impact on the Reserve Bank’s own balance sheet. It led to a decline in the value of the Bank’s foreign assets and hence a diminution in the Bank’s capital, to a level well below that judged by the Reserve Bank Board to be prudent. This has been a topic of some interest of late. Our annual reports have made quite clear over several years now that, while this rundown in capital in the face of a very large valuation loss was exactly what such reserves were designed for, we considered it prudent to rebuild the capital at the earliest opportunity. It has been clear that the Bank saw a strong case not to pay a dividend to the Commonwealth during this period, preferring instead to retain earnings, so far as possible, to increase the Bank’s capital. That rebuilding could in fact have taken quite a few years, given the low level of earnings.

    That is the background to the recent decision by the Treasurer to act to strengthen the Bank’s balance sheet, in accordance with a commitment he made prior to the election. The effect of this is that instead of it taking many years to rebuild the capital, it will occur in the current year.
    This results in a stronger balance sheet on average, and makes it likely that a regular flow of dividends to the Commonwealth can be resumed at a much earlier date than would otherwise have been the case.”

    Furthermore Stevens asked Swan NOT to take any dividends from the RBA to help him get a budget surplus. Wayne Swan gave Stevens a two fingered salute.

  145. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 3:09 pm

    I’m sorry, I’m not seeing the bit where they are saying “we asked for the money”

    I’m sure they didn’t mind it, but, they also said they were happy to rebuild the reserve over time

    Try not to make shit up nil

  146. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 3:24 pm

    No, Stevens said it was prudent to build up reserves as quickly as possible. I have given the link to his speech not some journalists interpretation.

    The RBA may not have asked Swan for extra money but he was definitely ASKED not to take out dividends to help Swan balance the budget.

    “It has been clear that the Bank saw a strong case not to pay a dividend to the Commonwealth during this period,”

    And your link author is a partisan hack (Pascoe). Maybe they did not ask for the extra $8.8B but the RBA does think it was a good idea. Do you have to do something good before somebody asks? It is called adult govt.

  147. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 3:31 pm

    The RBA may not have asked Swan for extra money

    And they didn’t ask hockey for it either. In case you missed it, that speech was AFTER hockey had given them the money.

  148. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 3:38 pm

    Tom R, you said the Reserve Bank did not want the money. How does that square with Stevens’ statement?

  149. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 3:38 pm

    According to Stevens it was a commitment made before the election. They may not have asked for the money but they did need it.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-24/mckibbin-accuses-swan-of-economic-vandalism/5044474

    From the last annual report, we see the reserve fund was driven down below $2 billion, so adding $8 billion gets back to where we need to be without crisis………….Mr Swan says if the request had been made to him, it would have been granted. But Professor McKibbin said this was a “bizarre statement”…………………….

    The following year after I’d left, there was a small profit of over $1 billion.The treasurer was requested not to extract that from the balance sheet of the bank.

    “He ignored that request and took $500 million so that he could reach the budget surplus in 2012-13. “

    Swan was ASKED not to take out dividends because the reserve was being depleted but he did it anyway. So the RBA obviously need the money.

  150. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 3:41 pm

    Tom R, you said the Reserve Bank did not want the money.

    Well, they may have wanted it, but they definitely didn’t ask for it.

    I want lots of things, I don’t ask for them unless I need them

    So yes, maybe he did want it, but, wouldn’t we all?

  151. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 3:56 pm

    Twisting in the wind now, Tom R. Stevens is clearly saying that the Reserve Bank’s balance sheet would benefit.

    This is completely different to your “wouldn’t we all” comment. Stevens was acting in the interests of the Reserve Bank whereas in Unionland the money-grubbing usually has personal benefits attached.

  152. July 3, 2014 3:59 pm

    Well, they may have wanted it, but they definitely didn’t ask for it.
    I want lots of things, I don’t ask for them unless I need them
    So yes, maybe he did want it, but, wouldn’t we all?

    Here I have this T shirt wear it Tom R , its say what a hero I am. If enough people see it then they may start believing it… Like Emergency, Invasion, Sovereign Borders Black Hole Boat People… its more fiddlin that Rolf got locked up for .

    I dont know why you bother, you are talking about a bloke who spends all his time defending everything the Fiberals do with every fiber of his meager being and what little imaginative delusion he can muster…

    They could sell him shit and tell him its sugar and he’d happily lap it up… If labor got him a much needed no strings attached fuck he would call it a fiddle..so don’t waste your time talking to a BPrick wall

  153. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:00 pm

    Twisting in the wind now,

    If thats how you like to interpret it, feel free 😉

    But the fact remains, we are paying interest on money not requested. Just adding to what hockey labelled an “unsustainable” debt. Obviously, not THAT unsustainable 😉

  154. egg permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:06 pm

    ‘Who is going to do a corporate search on that ?’

    Nobody, thanks Walrus.

  155. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:07 pm

    “But the fact remains, we are paying interest on money not requested”

    Like you really care about interest on debt. And if the RBA sticks the money in the bank they will also earn interest. Net cost to Australia= zero.

    Swan was asked not to take out dividend money but he did it anyway. So the RBA was telling Swan they were in trouble. But SWan did it anyway.

    Mr Swan says if the request had been made to him, it would have been granted. But Professor McKibbin said this was a “bizarre statement………

    The following year after I’d left, there was a small profit of over $1 billion.The treasurer was requested not to extract that from the balance sheet of the bank.

    “He ignored that request and took $500 million so that he could reach the budget surplus in 2012-13.”

  156. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:16 pm

    “money not requested”

    An interesting circumlocution.

    Essentially the Reserve Bank Board did not declare a dividend and Hockey did not compel them to pay one. The Reserve Bank balance sheet was strengthened and you are now trying to score some political point out of this. Jerk on, old son, jerk on.

  157. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:18 pm

    Won’t someone please give the dog a bone. Or at least a Trophy Boat.

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:18 pm

    Burnside has zero credibility. He should stick to what he does best – encouraging children to do his dirty work like spitting on Scott Morrison…

    There should be more of it for scummy pollies whose actions are beneath contempt. Let them venture out from their parliamentary protection/indulgences/wet bar without their bodyguards and AFP lackeys and see how they get on. I wouldn’t even be bothered if morrison got the same treatment as reza barati, his policies are criminal. Fascism is alive and flourishing in oz, a hallmark of despotic governments the world over.

    Stop obsessing about some miserable asylum seekers and start looking at the huge migration into australia under the 457 visa pretence, this is the biggest ‘look over there’ distraction ever put upon the australian population and those who have fallen for it have been well and truly suckered.

  159. egg permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:25 pm

    ‘The Dutch and the Poms certainly like it as Egg would no doubt confirm.’

    Its a great little island, up country is best, particularly Kandy.

    ———-

    Its quite clear that these supposed refugees are Tigers who settled in Tamil Nadu to escape the violence. Under the UNHCR this is appropriate and we are not obligated to take these illegal guest workers.

  160. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:46 pm

    “Stop obsessing about some miserable asylum seekers

    So shameless. A women who hates religion posting comments from a church. The USA is getting 35,000 illegal immigrants/month from Central America. That is 400,000/year. Not one of them is in trouble. They are seeking a better life. Do you agree with this?

    Based on the numbers before the last election we were getting 3,000 boat people/month while refugees in UNHCR camps were unable to get into Australia.

    Do you agree with asylum seekers who do not have $10,000 unable to get a place in Australia??

    “and start looking at the huge migration into australia under the 457 visa pretence

    OK for once i agree with you. We do not need skilled immigrants unless we have a shortage

  161. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 3, 2014 4:53 pm

    “Let them venture out from their parliamentary protection/indulgences/wet bar without their bodyguards and AFP lackeys and see how they get on. I wouldn’t even be bothered if morrison got the same treatment as reza barati, his policies are criminal. “

    What is it with the left and violence? You must be really upset that no refugees have drowned lately.

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 5:21 pm

    “money not requested”

    Why would you?? The RBA requested, pleaded, asked Wayne Swan to not take dividends from Reserve Bank profit. But Swan did it anyway.

    Leadership is important and Swan made it clear he would not listen to the Reserve Bank.

    SWan told the truth but he lied.

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2014 5:22 pm

    What is it with the left and violence?

    hehe, spoken like a true boltist. The only violence we need to fear comes from our own government.

    They are seeking a better life. Do you agree with this?

    if you were in the same situation, would you?

    USA is getting 35,000 illegal immigrants/month from Central America. That is 400,000/year. Not one of them is in trouble. They are seeking a better life. Do you agree with this?

    do you?
    Would you like them to come here?
    We only take a small number in comparison to other countries. Is there some relevance to your little spew of us stats? fyi, there are large increases in refugees the world over.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/19/world-refugee-numbers-1999-unhcr

    Do you agree with asylum seekers who do not have $10,000 unable to get a place in Australia??

    do you? do you agree with any of them coming to australia?
    do boat people frighten you? does the thought of them make you pee your pants or fill you with impotent rage?

  164. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 5:43 pm

    “if you were in the same situation, would you?

    I was going to say of course but actually i do not know. What i do know is that there is large scale people movement from poor countries to wealthy countries. Most are not refugees but are people seeking a better life.

    Raza Berati risked his life because he could not get a job as an architect in his home country.

    How would you like it if 50,000 nurses migrated to Australia and you lost your job??

  165. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 5:46 pm

    Why would you?

    Because you want it.

  166. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 5:54 pm

    Wonder how long this will last before a court boots it

    The Abbott government will try to use a new “national interest test” to deny permanent protection visas to refugees who have arrived “illegally” by boat or plane in an attempt to circumvent its stunning loss in the high court last month and implement its policy to refuse permanent settlement to all boat arrivals.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/03/revealed-coalition-to-use-national-interest-test-to-deny-permanent-protection-visas

    Mind you, if they have “stopped the boats”, why bother?

    And why are we practising refoulement?

  167. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 5:57 pm

    Abbott’s “peaceful Sri Lanka” claim contradicted by his own government

    http://tom-cummings.blogspot.com.au/2014/07/abbotts-peaceful-sri-lanka-claim.html

    Of course, we knew he was lying, his lips were moving 😉

  168. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 5:58 pm

    “Its a great little island, up country is best, particularly Kandy.”

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ……………………….!

    Yes………………….Kandy

    It’s where I had the best curry of my entire life.

    It was nothing like I had ever eaten before with with 5 or 6 seperate dishes and a local beer laid out before me and an extraordinary array of flavours of herbs and spices somehow having a “layered effect” on the taste buds.

    Quite amazing.

    All at a lunch at a quaint unpretentious little restaurant with a view over the Lake at Kandy.

    And sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cheap

  169. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:00 pm

    Its quite clear that these supposed refugees are Tigers who settled in Tamil Nadu to escape the violence.

    Are you able to reveal where this clarity comes from?

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:03 pm

    How would you like it if 50,000 nurses migrated to Australia and you lost your job??

    there is already government sponsored nursing immigration, has been for years, that’s why so many patients are complaining about ‘foreign nurses’

  171. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:08 pm

    “Because you want it.

    They officially asked Wayne Swan not to take dividends from RBA profit but WAyne SWan did it anyway. Swan set the tone. I think he is officially their boss.

    So why would you bother. But Stevens has made it clear that they needed the $8.8B.

    What is Stevens supposed to say? Wayne Swan is an economic vandal? That is what Mckibben said Swan was.

    “”The following year after I’d left, there was a small profit of over $1 billion. The treasurer was requested not to extract that from the balance sheet of the bank.

    “He ignored that request and took $500 million so that he could reach the budget surplus in 2012-13.

    That to me is economic vandalism. It wasn’t that he may not have been asked to put more money in, but he was certainly asked not to take money out.”

    Swan is a lair and a fraud.

  172. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:14 pm

    “………….that’s why so many patients are complaining about ‘foreign nurses’……….”

    Finally you are exposed as a Xenophobic Misogynist Anarchist

    LOL

  173. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:25 pm

    But Stevens has made it clear that they needed the $8.8B.

    No he didn’t, he said, after he got it, thanks. That’s about all

    Before that, he was fine with things as they were (although granted not overly happy about The World’s Greatest Treasurer taking the money out)

    Meanwhile, it just gets worst

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5662-roy-morgan-monthly-unemployment-june-2014-201407030530

  174. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:34 pm

    “Before that, he was fine with things as they were”

    Tom R, you really are a pathological liar. They asked Swan not to take out dividend money because reserves were being run down. That is a fact.

    “Meanwhile, it just gets worst”

    So a member of the ALP cheersquad is gloating about bad economic data. Just what is expected from a man who does not give a stuff about Australia. Unemployment was at 4.3% in 2007.

    “that’s why so many patients are complaining about ‘foreign nurses’”

    Not totally sure what you are saying but maybe you are getting what i am trying to say. There is large scale migration from poor countries to wealthy countries. It is just a lifestyle choice. A lot of them think we should give our jobs to them while we do unskilled work.

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:43 pm

    So shameless. A women who hates religion posting comments from a church.

    A WOMAN! WOW! But a least one of the few churches with a conscience … at least the person who put up the sign … may not even be a member …

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:44 pm

    SWan told the truth but he lied.

    … said the witness … ??????????????????????????????????

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2014 6:45 pm

    Not one of them is in trouble. They are seeking a better life.

    Have no idea. Why not?

  178. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 7:09 pm

    Ricky

    Tony Abbott has called on political opponents to refrain from any suggestion of physical violence, after a planned Socialist Alternative newspaper cover depicted the prime minister with a razor against his neck.

    Rofl

    Ditch the Witch
    targets on their foreheads
    Chaffbags
    Baseball bats
    Kick her to death

    Fix yer own house before lecturing others you hypocritical gutless two-faced lying wind-bag!

  179. TB Queensland permalink
    July 3, 2014 7:13 pm

    What is it with the left and violence? You must be really upset that no refugees have drowned lately.

    And that adds to the “discussion” how?

    Do you work in Morrison’s, HQ admin company for Op SovBorders?

    All at a lunch at a quaint unpretentious little restaurant with a view over the Lake at Kandy.

    What a bizarre comment in the middle of this thread … very colonial …

    Finally you are exposed as a Xenophobic Misogynist Anarchist

    and you as … quite out of touch, nay, ignorant, of the country you reside in and profit from …

    Meanwhile, it just gets worst

    10.6% unemployed … self fulfilling prophecy for Hockey (WTF is he?)

    So a member of the ALP cheersquad is gloating about bad economic data

    No-one is gloating!!! Just pointing out the poor management of this country … where businesses large and small, workers, students, pensioners … and anyone with half a brain can’t figure out where or what this government will do next!

    That affects confidence, that reduces spending, that reduces investment, that reduces development, that reduces jobs, that reduces income, that reduces tax revenue, that reduces investment ……………….

    … capitalist economies live in cycles … stick a few sticks in the spokes of the wheels and you come off head first … that’s what this Liberal government and the state Liberal governments are doing …

    Having said that, I find it sinister that the SA Labor government has brought in laws to jail people (up to three years) for recording instances of animal cruelty in farms … covertly … now the farmers aren’t going to let them do it overtly are they?

    Naturally the Abbott government are encouraging other state government to follow suit …

    And what sort of government terminate the Commisioner for Disability (to save money) on the same day that it appoints a Commissioner for Endangered Species … not onlt unconscionable, but insensitive and sinister …

  180. July 3, 2014 7:15 pm

    #wasThat.lt

  181. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 7:16 pm

    gloating about bad economic data.

    Or highlighting the abysmal failure this load of toads is. We was promised a new Age of Aquarius. We was robbed

  182. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 7:18 pm

    Gosford Anglican Church predicting what many of us hope

    I rarely agree with religious outfits, but on this one I do 😉

  183. July 3, 2014 7:26 pm

    #thatWas.lt good photo, when can we organize a `boat` heading for the hague,

    __________

    ””””””””””””””””’do you? do you agree with any of them coming to australia?
    do boat people frighten you? does the thought of them make you pee your pants or fill you with impotent rage?”””””””””””’

    #guffaw, and that was a nice piece of teabag-pounding 🙂

  184. July 3, 2014 7:43 pm

    ”””””””””””””””””there is already government sponsored nursing immigration, has been for years, that’s why so many patients are complaining about ‘foreign nurses”””””””””””””’

    don`t know if you saw me previously say this armchair, friend told me he went to his `private` hospital for another `procedure`, all the staff are now `black`, he thinks indian, when previously it was `mixed` staff, (black,white,yellow,brown,purple) tho he wasn`t `complaining` as such, but was wondering how a hospital can fill it`s `whole` (non-quack)staff with (say-indians)ie.no-whites and not be infringing on `discrimination`laws,

    (if they were all `white` there would be screeching)
    (note, he wasn`t complaining, and not racist or offended)

  185. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 7:59 pm

    Well this is what is happening in the USA

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-border-chaos-20140614-story.html#page=1

    The Rio Grande Valley has become ground zero for an unprecedented surge in families and unaccompanied children flooding across the Southwest border, creating what the Obama administration is calling a humanitarian crisis as border officials struggle to accommodate new detainees. Largely from Central America, they are now arriving at a rate of more than 35,000 a month.

    I would say almost none of these people are refugees but they are coming for a better life. Not saying i would not do the same thing myself but we should be aware of what is happening.

    What bothers me is skilled refugees. Our population is so small that the market could be easily flooded.

    Why bust your guts to get a skill if the market is being swamped by economic immigrants? Most people who post here have no idea what is going on in some professions like scientific research. English is now the language of science and everybody from a non-english speaking country wants a job in Australia. In most labs 80% of the researchers are from overseas completely swamping the market.

  186. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 8:00 pm

  187. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 8:20 pm

  188. egg permalink
    July 3, 2014 8:22 pm

    ‘Are you able to reveal where this clarity comes from?’

    It was a bit presumptive to call them Tigers, but they were fleeing from violence and now find themselves in intolerable circumstances without hope.

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/at-election-seasons-end-sri-lankan-tamil-refugees-forgotten-again/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

  189. July 3, 2014 8:26 pm

    These Teabag wingnuts are so predictably sanctimonious…
    Reading the comments of people like Squeal who can’t write a word without bleating on about some version of the past and excuse suck with the flimsy nano skeric of perceived justification for heinous political warfare on the fabric of society…. fuck get me a bucket…

    Oh its disgusting how…….
    You’re either for or against us…..
    Its all their fault….
    Those people…
    You will thanks us…
    We’re the fire brigade….
    We are the adults…

    All the while breaking stone tablet promises from unworthy men,
    * Social engineering,
    * Radicalising society into a neocon nirvana of subservient class warfare
    * Controlling information
    * Removing citizens safeguards from vindication
    * Empower the mouthpieces of the anointing overlords,
    * Sycophants to the privileged
    * Cigar puffing socially disconnected elitists
    * Liars pretending to care
    * Marginalising and victimising society’s disenfranchised as leeches

    Hello… Alarm Bells.. the PM can’t string a sentence together… he has made himself minister for women’s affairs…. Compulsive liar..denialist… patterns of this stuff all his life…

    The PM is a megalomaniac nut job…. get him the fuck outta there before he destroys us all.

    Just fuck off and wake the up…. barf 🙄

  190. July 3, 2014 8:28 pm

  191. Rusted-on Barracker permalink
    July 3, 2014 8:41 pm

    Thanks, Tom R, for putting up the Labor press release. I might have missed it otherwise.

  192. egg permalink
    July 3, 2014 8:43 pm

    ‘All at a lunch at a quaint unpretentious little restaurant with a view over the Lake at Kandy.

    ‘And sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cheap’

    If you decide to organise a consortium, to buy a boutique hotel, you will keep me in mind as a possible stake holder?

  193. Tom R permalink
    July 3, 2014 8:52 pm

    Thanks, Tom R,

    No probs rusty 😉

  194. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:31 pm

    I found this interesting

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28140594

    The German parliament is set to approve the country’s first minimum wage, in a vote in the Bundestag on Thursday.

    The wage will be set at 8.50 euros (£6.80) per hour, which is higher than the equivalent in the US and UK.

  195. July 3, 2014 9:32 pm

    Vindication?….hmmm.. hang on vilification ahhh.. teabag steamy

    If you decide to organise a consortium, to buy a boutique hotel, you will keep me in mind as a possible stake steak holder?

    Yeah I heard they use an egg to hold Tartare together 🙄

  196. egg permalink
    July 3, 2014 9:38 pm

    Rice and vegetable curry is my signature dish.

  197. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:02 pm

    “…..,What a bizarre comment in the middle of this thread … very colonial …

    and you as … quite out of touch, nay, ignorant, of the country you reside in and profit from …
    Meanwhile, it just gets worst…….”

    My simple response is…..

    Go fuck yourself you moron !

  198. Walrus permalink
    July 3, 2014 10:03 pm

    Yes Egg I shall

    We shall also have a golf course attached ……..with Dinosaurs like TB

  199. July 3, 2014 10:08 pm

    “Yeah I heard they use an egg to hold Tartare together :roll:”

    Actually RP using egg whites as a building material is extensive within the Middle Ages and ancient worlds.

    Never liked Tartare though

    LOL

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:11 pm

    Finally you are exposed as a Xenophobic Misogynist Anarchist

    You have always had a problem with comprehension and putting words in other peoples mouths walrus, there’s no way my comment could be twisted to imply what you are saying.

    What part of “…that’s why so many patients are complaining about ‘foreign nurses’……….”implies that I am doing the complaining myself?

    True to form though 🙄

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 3, 2014 11:35 pm

    …but was wondering how a hospital can fill it`s `whole` (non-quack)staff with (say-indians)ie.no-whites and not be infringing on `discrimination`laws,..

    I don’t think there is any special legislative requirements about race or colour, you just have to be qualified. Makes it easier to try and cut out or undermine the unions I would think, knowing that many of the staff are beholden to the employer and government for ongoing residence in the country. That’s why govt. keep going the ‘individual polling’ route in enterprise bargaining rather than accepting the union acting collectively for nurses. They must think that one day they’ll have the numbers for a win and everyone will cave in to them. All it’s doing is helping good nurses to make their decision to leave the profession.

  202. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 12:20 am

    Naturally the Abbott government are encouraging other state government to follow suit …
    And what sort of government terminate the Commisioner for Disability (to save money) on the same day that it appoints a Commissioner for Endangered Species … not onlt unconscionable, but insensitive and sinister …

    Fascist to the core. They also want to strip some bodies of charitable status because they make political commentary, although how the IPA should keep it’s status is beyond me, but i’m sure they’ll find a way to ignore their own hypocrisy [shades of the howard era]. Just a taste of the conservative ideology “money talks and everyone else can walk”

    let er rip!

  203. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 12:39 am

    A government that probes union corruption is reluctant to shine a torch on the banking industry:
    http://theconversation.com/a-government-that-probes-union-corruption-is-reluctant-to-shine-a-torch-on-the-banking-industry-28742

  204. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 6:25 am

    I can see Cleese playing morrison AO 😉

  205. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 6:56 am

    I certainly hope something gets done about this

    http://hrlc.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Request-for-Urgent-Action-Australia-2-July-2014.pdf

    In a rare statement, the UN High Commission for Refugees said the organisation viewed ”with profound concern recent reports in the media and from the community in relation to the interception at sea of individuals who may be seeking Australia’s protection”.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/commission-slams-transfer-at-sea-as-clear-rights-breach-20140703-3bbi1.html

    The gubamint keeping it all locked in secrecy doesn’t help, so I hope they suffer more for that. They promised they would be open and transparent. Of course, that was on the suckers side of the election.

  206. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 7:29 am

    Its seems that non-refoulement would be politically incorrect and won’t happen.

  207. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 7:33 am

    ‘A lot of them think we should give our jobs to them while we do unskilled work.’

    That’s not right.

  208. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 8:28 am

    and won’t happen.

    Do you have a link for that?

  209. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 8:40 am

    ** chuckle

    It would be political suicide and inappropriate. Here is the background to Tamil Nadu refugees.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Tamils_in_India

  210. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 9:02 am

    a simple NO would suffice.

    So, just making more unsubstantiated claims in support of morriscum

  211. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 9:05 am

    So you CAN tax your way to prosperity ❓ 😯

    No wonder the monkeys confused???

    AUSTRALIANS will be softened up in the coming months to accept changes to the GST or face paying more income tax.

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/abbott-government-to-deliver-message-that-tax-reform-imminent-either-higher-gst-or-hike-in-income-tax/story-fnihsrf2-1226977044548?nk=257e21a289c8e617524001c97cde769b

  212. Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2014 9:19 am

    “”………..What part of “…that’s why so many patients are complaining about ‘foreign nurses’……….”implies that I am doing the complaining myself?……………..””

    Well you are certainly going out of your way to make us aware of it but it seemingly it doesn’t bother you.

    If it doesn’t bother you why mention it ?

    Clearly it was a rascist comment by you

  213. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 9:23 am

    Its seems that non-refoulement would be politically incorrect and won’t happen.

    You don’t read links do you.

    For the first time, the Sri Lankan government confirmed that failed asylum seekers would be switched straight onto its navy ships at sea, even as the Australian government dug in on its hardline refusal to provide any information.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/commission-slams-transfer-at-sea-as-clear-rights-breach-20140703-3bbi1.html

  214. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 9:41 am

    Finally you are exposed as a Xenophobic Misogynist Anarchist
    ………
    Clearly it was a rascist comment by you

    Clearly you read into it what you wanted.

  215. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 9:47 am

    Our “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” rolls into action 😦

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott says we have all benefited from Britain’s original foreign investment because Australia was “unsettled” before the British arrived.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-says-australia-benefited-from-foreign-investment-because-it-was-unsettled-before-the-british-20140703-zsvby.html#ixzz36RCl3xGB

  216. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 4, 2014 9:56 am

    Is there something controversial in what Abbott said?

    Oh, that’s right, the Black Armband Brigade will be gunning for him (again).

    Actually, at least the Greens, when they get into outrage overdrive on this issue, will be being consistent with their policy goal of driving us back to a stone-age lifestyle.

  217. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 9:57 am

    ‘So, just making more unsubstantiated claims in support of morriscum’

    No.

    I’m in favour of taking all those refugees in Tamil Nadu and settling them at the Ord.

  218. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:01 am

    Is there something controversial in what Abbott said?

    Not if you ignore the Aborigine’s who were already settled here, especially “scarcely(?)”, I guess not 😯

    Then there is the rest of us 😉

    And this is the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” ROFL (sob)

  219. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:02 am

    ‘Australia was “unsettled” before the British arrived.’

    The original humans also found this island unsettling and tended to wander about a lot.

  220. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:03 am

    I’m in favour of dribbling meaningless shit and obfuscating with unsubstantiated rubbish …. is what you meant to say I think.

  221. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:04 am

    I see you will be doing the same about our “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” also grodo

  222. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:11 am

    For dog’s sake TR, when the enlightened Europeans turned up the original inhabitants were totally naked stone aged people …. it was an empty space as far as they were concerned.

  223. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:16 am

    Terra Nullius …. land belonging to no one.

  224. Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:32 am

    What he said……………………..

    “As a general principle we support foreign investment. Always have and always will,” he said.

    “Our country is unimaginable without foreign investment.”

    ”I guess our country owes its existence to a form of foreign investment by the British government in the then unsettled or, um, scarcely settled, Great South Land,”

    And so f**king what ?

    Hardly contestable

  225. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:34 am

    Is there something controversial in what Abbott said?

    I’m guessing that our indigenous population [fiercely] don’t see it the same way.

    “black armband brigade” nice howard era dog whistling, should we call our defence and religious advocacy organisations the camouflage and paedophile armband brigades?

  226. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:34 am

    ‘You don’t read links do you.’

    Just had a look and agree it would be unprecedented if they were genuine asylum seekers, but as they are only illegal guest workers fleeing poverty, its entirely appropriate under the circumstances.

  227. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:36 am

  228. Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:45 am

    “SCARCELY SETTLED?”

    You can draw as many squiggles as you like upon a map and its still scarcely settled.

    By the way which aboriginal cartographer drew that map back in the 18/19th centuries ?

  229. Walrus permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:46 am

    I can draw lines of a Map of Antarctica if you like with the various national claims……………….does that make it settled ?

  230. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 4, 2014 10:56 am

    ““black armband brigade” nice howard era dog whistling”

    Whatever.

    I just dislike liars and racists. In particular I prefer unity to the racialisation of our society.

  231. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 11:02 am

    Well you are certainly going out of your way to make us aware of it

    so sorry that my world has intruded upon your blinkered and self indulgent existence, pretty sure i was answering a query from teabagz though, but don’t let that stop you leaping to a complete and wilful misrepresentation in your rush to attack on anything you can possibly contrive or imagine. You must be having one of your ‘turns’, bring on the unhinging!

    but it seemingly it doesn’t bother you.

    another misrepresentation, where have I implied that?

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 4, 2014 11:05 am

    “Unsettled” is crap. The population prior to European arrival is estimated at over 300,000, up to a million people

    The population was greater than many of the European countries at that time. The major settlements were in the places that are now called Sydney or Brisbane, and along the Murray, you know, the places we like to live.

    The indigenous population weren’t really choosing to live in dry, dusty, flyblown places.

    Abbott is demonstrating his ignorance in using that type of language.

  233. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 11:38 am

    great comment tomM

  234. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 12:08 pm

    Tony Abbott’s comments on Australia being ‘unsettled’ before the British ‘silly’, says Warren Mundine:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-comments-on-australia-being-unsettled-before-the-british-silly-says-warren-mundine-20140704-3bcjs.html#ixzz36SdUxTby

    statesman? he’s a brainless tosser, born to be a snot nosed grovelling sycophant, wouldn’t know how to govern for all australians, too busy dividing the country with his pathetic, pious, amoral and corrupt worldview of inherited wealth & privilege.

  235. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 12:46 pm

    ‘The indigenous population weren’t really choosing to live in dry, dusty, flyblown places.’

    They became widely dispersed across the whole island over 60,000 years and I agree there was probably around a million people here when Europeans arrived.

    I blame Sir Joseph Banks for everything.

  236. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 12:48 pm

    I wonder who will play pyne in this comedy of a gubamint?

    “I’m quietly confident that given the charm of members of the government – and the obvious excellence of our program – that we will get most of our program through,” Mr Pyne told the Nine Network on Friday.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/govt-charm-will-get-budget-passed-pyne/story-e6frfku9-1226977438908

    Charm?
    Excellence? 😯

    Monty Python HAVE reformed 😆

    pyne as Loretta

  237. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 12:52 pm

    wow AO, even tabots bestest mundine has given him a slap. Bizarre, that’s the best it can be called.

    Ignorant and insensitive, like those defending it here, is closer to the truth. And he wants to be the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs”

    How more demeaning can he get? (please don’t take that the wrong way tabot, that’s not a challenge)

  238. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 1:09 pm

    Gold

  239. July 4, 2014 1:17 pm

    I wonder who will play pyne in this comedy of a gubamint?”

  240. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 1:20 pm

    …Terra Nullius …. land belonging to no one…

    …They became widely dispersed across the whole island over 60,000 years and I agree there was probably around a million people here when Europeans arrived…

    as bad as abbott with the contradictory statements, or should we say lies, whichever way the wind blows eh?

  241. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 2:21 pm

    ‘so its not just anthropogenic climate change science that Abbott thinks is ‘unsettled’

    True, new evidence suggests it has nothing to do with our star or a particular trace gas. So we have no idea what to expect, which is vey unsettling.

  242. July 4, 2014 2:22 pm

    OK two things are Unsettling about this megalomaniacs comments..1 WTF unsettled? 2 Comparing himself to Paul Keating? Its official he is a certifiable nut job.

    There goes Squeals circular jerk up in smoke… Tony is an aspirant Paul.. cue mindless inane comments about how bad Paul was by troll 🙄

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-says-australia-benefited-from-foreign-investment-because-it-was-unsettled-before-the-british-20140703-zsvby.html

  243. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 2:40 pm

    Kitty its about the ownership, without a title deed nobody owns it. It was an excuse to sanitise imperial ambition.

    Now if Banks had said its a god forsaken place and wouldn’t make a good gaol, then history would have been different.

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 4, 2014 2:48 pm

    Apparently Abbott said- ‘unsettled…or um, scarcely settled’

    So around 500,000 people 230 years ago is ‘scarcely settled’?

    He’s a dickhead on this issue…and the comments of Warren Mundine aren’t ‘bizarre’ they demonstrate his independence.

  245. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 4, 2014 3:00 pm

    For once i agree with the lefties. Sounds like Abbott was trying to impress the people who he was speaking to but forgot about the offense he could cause back home.

    Abbott definitely put his foot in his mouth. I hope it is not what he actually believes but was a genuine mistake.

  246. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 3:05 pm

    and the comments of Warren Mundine aren’t ‘bizarre’ they demonstrate his independence.

    Sorry yomm, perhaps I worded it poorly. mundine said that tabots comments were “bizarre”.

  247. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 3:11 pm

    Abbott definitely put his foot in his mouth

    I’m kinda speechless 😯

    Well done nil 🙂

  248. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 3:48 pm

    Someone on that buzzfeed link made a good comment also

    Lora Remongtin

    Also pretty offensive to Indigenous Australians to refer to the British invasion as ‘foreign investment’

    Really, this is the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” 😯 ❓

  249. July 4, 2014 5:42 pm

    For once i agree with the lefties.

    Firstly i’m not a lefty…”centrist” Secondly.. is there anyone or thing left to offend or has he covered it all in some type of world record time?.. His Unscripted freestyling is like a lottery of moronic musings from a freerange fucktard. You musty be so proud of your leader he is a pillar of micro intellectual knobbery… fuck bring on the DD before we all go up in smoke at the hands of this fruitcake FFS

    Nova and Mundine could do some serious damage… and I hope they do.

  250. July 4, 2014 5:54 pm

    “Abbott is demonstrating his ignorance in using that type of language.”

    Not to mention his ideological proclivities.

    Great to see YomM’s excellent retort & above is why I do have some time for Neil’s opinions, on occasion; much as I may vehemently disagree with him (very often)…he is honest (if a little susceptible to partisan influence).

    Abbott needs to get back in his box if indeed he wants to remain in the job. He has, this year, regularly made the mistake of assuming that a great majority of the population is onboard with his conservative arsehattery; rather than just the ‘safe’ niches he can always rely upon.
    Haven’t looked, but can safely assume that Bolt will be running interference & mounting the case for Abbott Apologia, even as I type. After all…it’s one of his own ugly fetishes too.

    Me, I’m just taking names of the history deniers here, with interest.

  251. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 5:56 pm

    How more demeaning can he get?

    oh, he could declare himself the minister for women 🙂

    Kitty its about the ownership, without a title deed nobody owns it. It was an excuse to sanitise imperial ambition.
    Now if Banks had said its a god forsaken place and wouldn’t make a good gaol, then history would have been different.

    just because aborigines didn’t have a piece of paper saying they own their country, doesn’t mean they don’t and it doesn’t give another country the right to take it from them. Theirs is an oral tradition. Unbelievable expecting them to trot out a deed of ownership according to white colonial custom – do you expect they had their lawyer prepare one ready ‘just in case’!

    invasion and re-writing history doesn’t give the colonials ownership of someone else’s land, that is the entire problem, their land was never given up.

  252. July 4, 2014 6:07 pm

    Similar logic & a sense of ‘Manifest Destiny’ was used to massacre & dispossess the Native American population at gun/church-point.
    It’s how colonialists reverse rationalise atrocities against those technologically disadvantaged.

    Obviously, there’s no going back…& I’m not sure that perpetual victimhood is healthy or positive or a way forward…but failure to acknowledge the fucking blatant historical record is disgusting.

  253. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 6:10 pm

    Haven’t looked, but can safely assume that Bolt will be running interference & mounting the case for Abbott Apologia, even as I type. After all…it’s one of his own ugly fetishes too.

    The australian papers over the cracks and mundine lets abbott off the hook

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/australia-unsettled-before-british-arrived-tony-abbott/story-fn9hm1pm-1226977438408

    …The head of the Prime Minister’s indigenous council, Warren Mundine, who was in the audience, said: “I did raise my eyebrows, and we could all do with a bit more education on this but

    I know his heart is in the right place.

    “If I was him I would have said that the nation was built on foreign investment since 1788 and left it there. We all know Australia was full of people living here when the British arrived,” he told The Australian…

  254. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 6:12 pm

    oops, I’m quoting toilet in my first para above

  255. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 4, 2014 6:18 pm

    Did Abbott say anything else in that speech?? Everybody seems to be focusing on one sentence.

    I am sure Abbott is having some trouble from time to time. Nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes. But his enemies are focusing on every little mistake.

    For me Abbott is infinitely better than Shorten.

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 6:36 pm

    abbott has a long history of ‘little mistakes’, it seems to happen every time he opens his mouth.

  257. July 4, 2014 6:38 pm

    He’s just displaying the familiar refusal to countenance responsibility for colonial misdeeds (of which he unsurprisingly came out on the winning side thereof) which his ideological bedfellows are pervaded by the wilfully ignorant stench of, Neil.

    That ‘one sentence’ is symptomatic of a far broader ideological virulence. The horrid prick continues to show too much of his hand for the liking of the non-aligned or politically agnostic.

    Hardly surprising then that the point is lost on certain golems.

  258. July 4, 2014 6:40 pm

    “abbott has a long history of ‘little mistakes’, it seems to happen every time he opens his mouth.”

    My cynical streak has me thinking that such things are less of a little mistake & more of a (almost plausibly deniable) bone thrown to his ugly partisan lickspittles.

    Such arrogant ignorance generally plays well with the conservative base. (and likely will this time too)…

  259. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 6:57 pm

    …My cynical streak has me thinking that such things are less of a little mistake & more of a (almost plausibly deniable) bone thrown to his ugly partisan lickspittles…

    I agree toilet, some are saying it’s a gunshot in their culture war.

    Not bad going to get the whole comm bank corruption/RC off the front page as well as the missing refugees 😉

    Australia ‘unsettled’ before the British came? Tony Abbott knows better
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/04/australia-unsettled-before-the-british-came-tony-abbott-knows-better

  260. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 7:07 pm

    ‘just because aborigines didn’t have a piece of paper saying they own their country, doesn’t mean they don’t and it doesn’t give another country the right to take it from them.’

    It was a couple of centuries ago and things were different then, countries were taken over willy nilly if the invaders had a good reason to do it.

    If the American War of Independence hadn’t happened, Australia wouldn’t have become the dumping ground of British convicts. Some other sophisticated power would have seized this smallest continent and the outcome for the original people would probably have been the same.

  261. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 7:18 pm

    oh, he could declare himself the minister for women

    It struck me actually AO that he declared himself minister for womens and the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs”, and has failed BOTH miserably, to the point not even bestie mundine is embarrassed by him, but women on his own team call him sexist. How embarrassment. I’m just afraid of how the women will be conscripted into his “green” army, and the role they’ll play under a sexist minister for “womens”

  262. July 4, 2014 7:18 pm

    The counter argument/apologetics can be easily summarised with this cheap slogan (Abbottlickers are good at these)…

    Still Not Sorry…

    Guess who wrote a load of ideological horseshit book titled as such?

  263. July 4, 2014 7:19 pm

    Run To The Hills, would be appropriate, TomR. 😉

  264. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 7:22 pm

    I found Abbott’s speech, which has some interesting things to say about infrastructure and such. Which is not to excuse his foot in mouth, but to see the government’s thinking on issues of some importance.

    http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2014-07-03/address-2014-economic-and-social-outlook-conference-dinner

  265. July 4, 2014 7:28 pm

    The ‘foot in mouth’ is entirely a deliberate sop to his/their fellow travellers. The way that he managed to infect his infrastructure wankery with the seed of Imperial Pride is puke inducing ‘creative’ and polemic masturbation ‘thoughtful’.

  266. July 4, 2014 7:28 pm

    Abbott is not what he was sold as… but anyone who knew anything about him before the election knew that. Sqweel and the other teabagging wingnuts can make apologies till they are blue in the face.. Abbott was a dud 10 years ago and he will not grow into the job, he just doesn’t have the mental capacity or strength of character for it. He is too used to chasing and scheming how to get the top job without any considered plan or vision to what he would do having got there . He is a partisan combatant who attacks first, His judgement is questionable and his capacity to think beyond his narrow ideological paradigm is just not cutting it.

    He is melting in self destruction , its beyond his capabilities. Keating was a pragmatic cultured man of mental discipline holding the machination and delegation close with predetermined goal and an end game… Aboot has nothing..fuck all. Daily disasters , offending people, poorly thought out policy based on combatant ideological ends.. fucking disastrous PM….

  267. July 4, 2014 7:32 pm

    Egg you cant believe g’day from this lot…… You actually believe anything this fop lot says…?

  268. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 7:32 pm

    A guardian commenter [finnigans1] remembered:

    2013 day Australia day speech by Abbott

    …It is a proud people that you are joining. We had inauspicious beginnings. The first lot of Australians were chosen by the finest judges in England, not always for good reasons, and from that rather inauspicious beginning we have become a rich, a free and a fair society which has contributed so much to the wider world in good times and in not so good times…

  269. July 4, 2014 7:36 pm

    It’s a very calculated play on words which is parallel to such ideological frottage as the deliberately pathetic rewording of ‘our’ stance with regard to certain occupied territory regarding Israel.

  270. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 4, 2014 7:39 pm

    international criminal organisation news:

  271. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 7:44 pm

    Note that the monk quoted Ben Chifley twice, seeing him as a man of vision. I concur with his sentiments.

  272. July 4, 2014 7:51 pm

    Note that the monk channels Boltian obsequiousness almost daily. I spit on his sentiments.

  273. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 8:08 pm

    Ben Chifley was a politician keen on infrastructure and I salute him.

  274. Tom R permalink
    July 4, 2014 8:13 pm

    So, apart from the stoopid shit, egg thought the speech wasn’t stoopid 😯

  275. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 8:13 pm

    This is from Bolt’s song book.

    ‘It’s why dams haven’t been built and the construction of new base load power stations is mostly put into the too hard basket.’

    Tony Abbott

  276. July 4, 2014 8:16 pm

    Andrew Bolt is a rightwing meme clearing house & I middle finger salute him.

  277. egg permalink
    July 4, 2014 8:17 pm

    It was only a rehash of what we already knew, but its clear he’s putting all his eggs into the G20 meeting. That’s when the infrastructure revolution will probably begin, though our new free trade agreement with a benevolent dictatorship.

  278. Historical Context Deniers permalink
    July 4, 2014 9:03 pm

    “Me, I’m just taking names of the history deniers here, with interest.”

    Guffaw.

  279. July 4, 2014 9:07 pm

    Oh look, it’s Windschuttle!

    How quaint!

    Of course the heathens were bettered by poxridden blankets, beads & suchlike.

  280. July 4, 2014 9:08 pm

    #historicalcontextreimaginersandobfuscators

  281. July 4, 2014 9:09 pm

    #manifestwhat?

    #goddamneddocumentaryrecord

  282. July 4, 2014 9:10 pm

    #thevictorsandappropriatorswritethecontext

  283. Looking Back permalink
    July 4, 2014 9:55 pm

    History should be studied in light of the social and political norms of the time. Anything else is retroactive moralising.

  284. July 4, 2014 10:59 pm

    Aboot isnt a skidmark on Chifley or PJ Keatings undies.. Its highly offensive and a big fuck you to his detractors.. like anointing himself minister for not really sorry, vaginal vindication, nights and dames, parental leave, occupied not occupied, 18c, universities for the rich, and every other childish vindication he cares to exercise,,,, …this is a man spent all his time denouncing the NBN then destroying it to sell it off, was a minister in government that did fuck all infrastructure and now he’s a nation builder? Fuck off…….. well his records on promises, lies and desperate political rhetoric for political gain speaks for itself.. he’s a fucking unworthy, loony liar…he never built anything in his life he is by his actions and past history a demolition wrecking ball no no naysayer bullshitter

  285. July 4, 2014 11:02 pm

    History will be a very harsh ass fisting check for Abbott, who may well go down as the most unpopular and despised vindictive elitist knob since Big ears billy.. another Fiberal Gem.

  286. Meta permalink
    July 5, 2014 12:06 am

    (It’s not clear that the basket shall overfloweth with 2014’s a ephemoral mere Presidency of the G20, it seems; perhaps, we really must look ahead to a 2015/16 awash with White Papers and taxing Constitutional reforms, possibly including a re-sponsorship of indigenous recognition, possibly with especial assistance from the Business Advisory Council, and the Commission of Audit, and Twiggy Forrest, and Pat McClure, and Warren Mundine, and etcetera, if we are not to fail in a fuller tally of reformist zeal’s manifest intents.

    Nay, it would only be most uncharitable and unreasonably reductionist to presume of an abridged Ol’ Abbottonian circular: ‘With God’s guidance, the faith you have placed in the Coalition Family will be rewarded, my child. You, and welcome estranger Fraser, may now proudly kiss the humble ring’, Prime Minister – Address to the 57th Liberal Party Federal Council, Melbourne.)

  287. July 5, 2014 12:14 am

    ””””””””””””’govt. keep going the ‘individual polling’ route in enterprise bargaining rather than accepting the union acting collectively for nurses. They must think that one day they’ll have the numbers for a win and everyone will cave in to them.””””””””””’

    ”””All it’s doing is helping good nurses to make their decision to leave the profession.”””

    yeah, fully agree armchair, the same thing has been happening it the `trades`jobs too for quite a while,

    many a time, l have heard brickies, sparkies, plumbers/etc talk about their kids, saying they are sending them to uni/biz-college, and won`t let`em be tradies, simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits` (while at the same time driving-off the already skilled),

    there will be a bit of a `crunch` in the not too distant future, as plenty of tradies are hitting retirement, while `training`numbers have dropped, and 50% of the apprentices don`t `complete`(as after a year or so, they realize there is no `continuity`/`security`, so they drop-out) as the `suits` prefer to employ the cheap-unskilled, which is already playing out in the safety-arena, with scaffolds, cranes and walls increasingly collapsing(not to mention brazillian freeways) due to negligent public and workers daring to actually use them, or pass by

  288. July 5, 2014 1:14 am

    ””””””””””””””””””””’By the way which aboriginal cartographer drew that map back in the 18/19th centuries ?”””””””’

    ignorance blubbering as usual,

    while native peoples didn`t `draw-maps` each`nation` still knew their land and their land boundaries, the ocean to the east, the river to the west, the cliff/gorge to the south and the mountain-peak to the north,

    that would be how natives of australia, africa, the americas, and most `tribal` peoples would know their land #blubbering-teabag

  289. July 5, 2014 1:21 am

    #outstanding.willful.ignorance.of.general.knowledge #teabags

  290. Meta permalink
    July 5, 2014 3:35 am

    (Maybe, don’t forget to take an authority-issued, encrypted, RFID-chipped passport when going touring in the super-advanced 21st Century GIS cartography, either.)

  291. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 7:43 am

    ‘History should be studied in light of the social and political norms of the time. Anything else is retroactive moralising.’

    That is correct and I applaud your intellectual clarity in this murky sea of ignorance.

  292. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 8:14 am

    Racial outbursts on public transport attracting world wide attention.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/04/why-are-there-so-many-racist-outbursts-on-public-transport

    A nicely written, amusing article.

  293. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 9:17 am

    History should be studied in light of the social and political norms of the time. Anything else is retroactive moralising.

    Followed by

    That is correct and I applaud your intellectual clarity in this murky sea of ignorance.

    Does the term “Mabo” mean anything to either of you two “intellects”?

  294. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 9:22 am

    grodo

    Why are there so many racist outbursts on public transport?

    Do you think it might have anything to do with people who don’t know better just following the lead of those who they think know better?

  295. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 9:36 am

    ‘Does the term “Mabo” mean anything to either of you two “intellects”?’

    Its been over 200 years since the invasion and annexation of Oz. Seen through modern eyes it was blatant theft, but that’s history.

    ‘Do you think it might have anything to do with …’

    Nah, racism is innate.

  296. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 9:46 am

    Here is Wayne Bergmann speaking at a Press Club Luncheon.

    “Make no mistake, what has brought Indigenous people in Australia to their current crisis is the denial, for over 200 years, of our right to continue to manage and benefit from our land and sea country and its resources.

    “And this of course is why Mabo was so significant, because it recognised that before 1788 Australia was not empty, that it was occupied, owned, managed and governed by Indigenous Australians.”

    Few would disagree with his sentiments.

  297. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 10:09 am

    Few would disagree with his sentiments.

    Except tabot, and those defending his ignorant rant.

  298. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 5, 2014 10:22 am

    “Few would disagree with his sentiments

    Except The Greens and the QLD ALP govt

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/green-groups-block-indigenous-progress/story-fn3dxiwe-1226975025505

    THE government’s top indigenous affairs adviser has accused green groups of deliberately working to keep indigenous communities in poverty.

    HEAD of the prime minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council, Warren Mundine, says environment groups want indigenous people to remain impoverished, and achieve their goal by blocking economic development……………Mr Mundine said state Labor and the Greens worked together to strip Cape York land owners of their rights in order to prosper from their land, “unlike every other landowner in Australia

  299. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 10:30 am

    Did Abbott say anything else in that speech?

    Unfortunately, yes 😦

    Tonight, I want to address the question: “whether a reforming prime minister can succeed any more in this country given the decisive shift in the system and culture against reform?”

    Stop the Tax! Stop the NBN, Stop the Gonski, Stop the NDIS

    And he thinks THAT is “reforming” ROFL

    It’s why dams haven’t been built and the construction of new base load power stations is mostly put into the too hard basket.

    Talk about ill informed, or is he just lying again?

    The 1,000MW Wallerawang coal-fired power station near Lithgow has “switched” the lights out and ceased generation – the largest victim so far of the changing dynamics of Australia’s National Electricity Market.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/lights-out-at-1gw-wallerawang-coal-fired-power-station-27956

    There is a very good story on this changing dynamic, which explains why base load power stations are not needed at the moment. It also explains WHY our power bills went so high so quickly. Greed is the answer.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2014-06-29/5549868

    So yes, he said a lot, except, one sentence out stoopided all of the other stoopid, and, I didn’t read very much of his rant. It was hurting my head with the stoopid

  300. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 10:38 am

    Wallerawang is waiting for demand to pick up, which it will as the infrastructure revolution takes hold and opens up the regions.

  301. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 10:50 am

    Wallerawang is waiting for demand to pick up

    Have a listen to the Background Briefing podcast grodo, the problem is, demand is falling, and it has everything to do with renewables providing the power and people being more aware of their own consumption. These things our “infrastructure” pm (like for womens and the indigenous) wants is past their use by dates. He really is an

  302. July 5, 2014 11:00 am

    You hear that YomM? Apparently you’ve become a member of the Retroactive Moralisation Movement.
    Good for you.

    You should know better than to adopt a non-ethnocentric position!

  303. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 11:02 am

    Its terrific that Julia reduced consumption, but ultimately as our population heads towards 40 million we’ll need more baseload coal power until fusion comes online.

    An increasing proportion of these new migrants will be Indian and Chinese engineers.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/tony_abbott_infrastructure_vision_4qeHKFdI5pVjOeqqOmJTHO

  304. July 5, 2014 11:04 am

    ” this murky sea of ignorance.”

    Don’t be so coy.

  305. July 5, 2014 11:11 am

    “Few would disagree with his sentiments this blatant propaganda Except The Greens , QLD ALP govt and anyone with half a brain

    This is the paper from which BAT and the IPA purchased the front page? Wonder how Warren feels like as Phoney’s pawn after yesterdays “unsettling” brain fart?
    More Green tape? thats code for unconscionable pillaging of resources with no regard for the environment from Phoney tony the environmentalist politically opportunistic Liar

  306. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 5, 2014 11:12 am

    ” It also explains WHY our power bills went so high so quickly. Greed is the answer.”

    I thought power bills increased quickly because of the Carbon Tax and solar energy rebates. According to you solar energy rebates had no effect on bills when the fact is they had a large effect.

    HOUSEHOLDS will pay an extra $600 on their electricity bill over six years to cover the $2 billion cost of the failure of the state government’s overly generous solar power scheme.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/solar-flareup-will-burn-a-hole-in-every-pocket-20101030-17862.html#ixzz36YIJjj6x

  307. July 5, 2014 11:15 am

    In SA, power bills began skyrocketing in sync with privatisation of ETSA. Long before a carbon tax was ever implemented.

  308. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 11:32 am

    ‘Don’t be so coy.’

    Why? Its a natural restraint, I am what I am.

  309. July 5, 2014 11:34 am

    Why?

    Because it would be a lot less gutless to just come out & say what you are obviously inferring.

  310. July 5, 2014 11:36 am

    Squeals on fire today…quite frankly Anyone that qoutes anything from the OZ since the Cash for syndicated propaganda from a paper run at a loss to propagate corporate lies owned by a former board member of Phillip Morris is a little light in between the ears…..

    One for the denialist ignoramus….wont even bother with the solar lie its just too ridiculous… 🙄
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-30/tony-abbott-carbon-tax-gas-electricity-bills/5050348

  311. July 5, 2014 11:40 am

    This comment, from elsewhere in internetland, sums things up quite well…

    “We cannot turn back the clock, but we can tell the truth – even if it is sneeringly put down as ‘black armband’.”

    As does this one…

    “Abbott has a long history of saying whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear. That’s why he ends up with countless contradictory statements and every policy position you can imagine. This is not about what he knows, but what he thinks the Australia-Melbourne Institute wanted to hear him say.”

    Throwing a bone to his loyal crotchsniffers & those whom he credits for having their hand of puppetry up his arse is what he does.

  312. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2014 11:44 am

    History should be studied in light of the social and political norms of the time. Anything else is retroactive moralising.’

    That would have to be one the most retro ignorant statements given here.
    Do you think the social and political ‘norms’ of the time applied to aboriginal people? How much input did they have in the history writing process? Ever wondered why aboriginal people even today, will say ‘fuck the white man’s law, we live by our own’? The fact that they are still here today is testament to their resilience after the imported ‘social and political norms of the time’ nearly wiped them out.

  313. July 5, 2014 11:45 am
  314. July 5, 2014 11:47 am

    “History should be studied in light of the social and political norms of the time. Anything else is retroactive moralising.’”

    Allow me to translate above…

    We Won, So Shut Up.

  315. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2014 11:56 am

    ”l have heard brickies, sparkies, plumbers/etc talk about their kids, saying they are sending them to uni/biz-college, and won`t let`em be tradies, simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`

    “simply because…” Is that so?

    Parents generally seek to have their children pursue occupations that involve higher education or more money or that are less physically onerous than their own.

    Trades work can be intelligent, it is also generally physically demanding. Parents generally seek occupations for their kids that won’t result in bad backs

    The image of trades work is also unattractive, and unions have a role to play.

    Telecommunications work is generally seen as more professional, cleaner, less intense than (say) the electrical trade. In reality, many tasks are similar, and certainly electrical trades are paid more. The industrial and construction image that unions have promoted for that trade has made it unattractive for many young people, they’d prefer to work for $18 an hour as a waiter, than earn $30 an hour as an electrician.

    How many brickies with a bad back actually say – “if only my son could become a bricklayer for his whole life, just like me…”?

  316. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2014 12:02 pm

    l have heard brickies…

    “Teabagz mates”

  317. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2014 12:07 pm

    Its been over 200 years since the invasion and annexation of Oz. Seen through modern eyes it was blatant theft, but that’s history.

    yeah, so just get over it 🙄

    No, there needs to be a recognition of our first people of native title [not the doublespeak of abbott types] and a treaty with the aboriginal nations “always was always will be, aboriginal land”

    Do you think you might bear a grudge if someone forcibly threw you out of your own house and land and then had you placed in jail [or neck & leg chains] for fighting back, breaking some ‘laws’ that you no nothing about.

  318. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 12:07 pm

    ‘We Won, So Shut Up.’

    Its important to see things in an historical context, we carry the collective guilt of subjugating a race of stone age people. For that I’m sorry, but on the other hand material progress hasn’t been all that bad.

    By 2050 the mix of Australians will be vastly different to what it is now and the new arrivals will have no guilt complex.

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2014 12:16 pm

    Trades work can be intelligent, it is also generally physically demanding. Parents generally seek occupations for their kids that won’t result in bad backs

    A areason why working till 70 (or even 65!) is ill-considered, nay, stupid …

    And I see KL, just commented … ’tis not just tradies who suffer permanent physical problems …

    I did a lot of work in instructional design and helping a client to become an RTO, who had developed a very successful business designing training and lifting systems for nurses and aides lifting patients in hospitals and nursing homes …

  320. July 5, 2014 12:27 pm

    You you like a shovel or patronising spoon with your tar tare de dar dumb sarcasm Egg? Stone age.? Where did you read that The Australian?

  321. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 5, 2014 12:31 pm

    Anyone that qoutes anything from the OZ …………One for the denialist ignoramus….wont even bother with the solar lie its just too ridiculous

    The quote was from Fairfax. And the solar rebate scheme is having a large effect on power bills. Carbon tax also gives about an 8% increase.

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/solar-flareup-will-burn-a-hole-in-every-pocket-20101030-17862.html#ixzz36YIJjj6x

  322. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 12:37 pm

    ‘Stone age.?

    Do some research, prove me wrong.

  323. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 12:49 pm

    Its important to see things in an historical context

    So, do you agree with the dickhead comment that we were “unsettled” do you?

  324. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 12:49 pm

    we’ll need more baseload coal power until fusion comes online.

    Really, at least read the synopsis at the link before making a bigger fool of yourself

    I thought power bills increased quickly because of the Carbon Tax and solar energy rebates.

    Really, at least read the synopsis at the link before making a bigger fool of yourself

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2014-06-29/5549868

  325. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:02 pm

    …but on the other hand material progress hasn’t been all that bad…

    depends on your perspective doesn’t it? if you’re aboriginal, then progress hasn’t been all that good.

    Wouldn’t it have been better if aboriginals were part of this progress, given the status they deserve in the nation and it’s history, instead of denying them their very existence, the ownership of their own land and treating them as second class citizens? They could have shared in this material growth and progress that is all important to white folks.

  326. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:11 pm

    ‘So, do you agree with the dickhead comment that we were “unsettled” do you?’

    No, of course not, a quarter of Sydney’s present population was spread around the whole island. It was sparsely settled.

  327. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:18 pm

    ”They could have shared in this material growth and progress that is all important to white folks.”

    I agree AO, it s**ts me big time.

    Before whites arrived, the 500,000 or so indigenous people were living along the Murray and the coast, enjoying abundant food, a good climate and plenty of leisure.

    People now only see the marginalized, dry, dusty outback communities and presume it has always been thus.

    Then we have the ignorance of people like Bolt, who take every opportunity to disparage the descendants of those living in what is now known as Sydney and Brisbane. Any of them that are successful or speak out are called “part of the Aboriginal Industry” or “self interested” or “unrepresentative”

    It’s a disgrace.

  328. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:22 pm

    ‘Really, at least read the synopsis at the link before making a bigger fool of yourself’

    With the end of the carbon tax its assumed coal fired power stations will return, as gas goes out the window.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/origin-confirms-darling-downs-become-peaking-55474

  329. July 5, 2014 1:24 pm

    There goes YomM again, with his non-ethnocentric black armbandisms!

    Not a Team player at all. Just a retroactive moraliser.

  330. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:25 pm

    ‘a good climate and plenty of leisure.’

    Much amusement.

  331. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:26 pm

    No, of course not, a quarter of Sydney’s present population was spread around the whole island. It was sparsely settled.

    Talking about historical context [and apples vs oranges]

    Do you think that australia and sydney had it’s current population back in 1788? Europeans were even sparser, non existent even [same as the city of sydney]

    how many boat people arrived?

  332. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:34 pm

    ‘how many boat people arrived?’

    About half a dozen, a mixture of men and women convicts, plus guards and troops. If El Nino had lasted longer it would have wiped them out.

  333. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:34 pm

    It was sparsely settled

    So, do you think that is what he was trying to mumble when he said “Scarcely”?

    One would have assumed that the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” would be able to get his twisted tongue around that. Better yet, don’t even go there. But no, we have an ignorant hick who has declared himself the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs”, who thinks the Aborigines were saved by a British “investment”

    Nova Perris was correct to label the remark “highly offensive, incorrect and dismissed of Indigenous peoples”, and mundine just highlighted how much of a toadie of the pm he is when all he could muster was surprise at them.

    Lets not forget the contempt the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs” really feels for these first Australians.

    The first lot of Australians were chosen by the finest judges in England

    http://australianpolitics.com/2013/01/26/gillard-abbott-australia-day-citizenship-ceremonies.html

    What a knuckle dragger

  334. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:36 pm

    Correction

    ‘The First Fleet is the name given to the 11 ships which left Great Britain on 13 May 1787 to found a penal colony that became the first European settlement in Australia. The fleet consisted of two Royal Navy vessels, three store ships and six convict transports, carrying more than 1,000 convicts, marines and seamen, and a vast quantity of stores.’

  335. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:36 pm

    With the end of the carbon tax its assumed

    Assumptions don’t change facts. Dream of what you want in the future, but face the reality of the past.

  336. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:39 pm

    ‘So, do you think that is what he was trying to mumble when he said “Scarcely”?’

    Probably, he misspoke.

  337. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:42 pm

    ‘but face the reality of the past.’

    It was an expensive damper on the free market.

  338. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:55 pm

    1,000 convicts, marines and seamen,

    very much sparser wouldn’t you say?

    see why comparing today’s population with the aboriginal population at invasion doesn’t work? there were NO europeans then.

  339. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 5, 2014 1:59 pm

    …and it took about 70 or 80 years and a gold rush to get to about ½ mill non indigenous people. There was hardly a big rush to get past the notion of being scarcely populated.

  340. July 5, 2014 2:23 pm

    “Few would disagree with his sentiments”
    Except The Greens and the QLD ALP govt
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/green-groups-block-indigenous-progress/story-fn3dxiwe-1226975025505
    “THE government’s top indigenous affairs adviser has accused green groups

    The quote was from Fairfax.

    Glad you straightened that out

    The verdict
    The claim that electricity and gas prices will drop by 9 and 7 per cent respectively from where they are today if the carbon tax is abolished is impossible to predict with precision. Many other factors determine electricity and gas prices. Power prices may well continue to increase, though by about 7 to 9 per cent less than they otherwise would.
    The precise figures Mr Abbott used in his claim are pure speculation.

    Do some research, prove me wrong.

    Seriously? would it make any difference?…I think I’ll pass you believe what you want other than to add that I’m pretty sure 1788 is a little after the stone age.

  341. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 2:26 pm

    It was a gaol and would have remained that way but for the industrial revolution, along with faster and safer ships, which changed everything.

    ‘very much sparser wouldn’t you say?’

    Not sure of the Port Jackson population in 1787, before Europeans arrived, but we do know that 90% of them were wiped out by smallpox not long after the First Fleet arrived. There is an academic debate still going on as to who infected them.

  342. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 2:27 pm

    It was an expensive damper on the free market.

    Really, at least read the synopsis at the link before making a bigger fool of yourself

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/2014-06-29/5549868

  343. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 2:36 pm

    ‘I’m pretty sure 1788 is a little after the stone age.’

    They had been cut off from the outside world and their tools were primitive, but the people around the top end had received new technologies through Indian and Indonesian influences, so they were no longer stone age people.

  344. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2014 2:49 pm

    There is an academic debate still going on as to who infected them.

    Between whom?

    FFS, if there was no smallpox in the population before white people arrive [from a place where there was smallpox] I would think it was obvious. But, they can’t help themselves they just keep trying to whitewash black history?

    Why is there such a determined bunch of people who refuse to acknowledge our colonial past, why is it so important to them to deny aboriginal ownership?

    1700:
    …Smallpox = 2000 deaths per year (London); 25% of all those infected; city disease most fatalities in children; basically a city disease therefore spread limited…

    http://kdfhs.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1:epidemics-timeline&catid=43:research&Itemid=30

  345. July 5, 2014 2:51 pm

    Sound Familiar ?

  346. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 2:57 pm

    Europeans were even sparser,

    Or even scarcer 😆

  347. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 3:11 pm

    ‘Between whom?’

    Historians.

  348. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2014 3:11 pm

    …so they were no longer stone age people…

    but you just said:

    “we carry the collective guilt of subjugating a race of stone age people…”

    you’re all over the shop!

    I also dispute the ‘collective guilt’ assertion, the whitewashers have done all in their power to deny any collective guilt, any landrights, compensation, treaties or even a simple apology [remember the libs turning their backs in parliament when rudd apologised]. They are determined that there never be any guilt, which is why abbott said what he said. Abbott is still politically denying indigenous existence here before settlement and you are tying yourself in knots to defend the ‘hardly anyone here so we came as foreign investment’ crap. Don’t forget the national party of farmers and their supporters who vigorously deny their theft of aboriginal lands and absolutely refuse to take part in any reconciliation.

    No amount of ‘volunteering’ [on full pay + perks + media presence + security] in a lib friendly aboriginal community for a week a year can make aboriginal people believe he is their friend while he is speaking from both sides of his mouth like this.

  349. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 3:16 pm

    ‘you’re all over the shop!’

    Its a big island.

    Here something on the smallpox outbreak of 1789.

    http://treatyrepublic.net/content/origin-smallpox-outbreak-sydney-1789

  350. July 5, 2014 3:44 pm

    Egg should write Pynes new teabag Curriculum, he’d be good at it…. We can see you have the courage of your convictions.. , how a bout you toddle down to your local aboriginal community group and try your stone age theory out by asking them if they agree with you, maybe assert your empirical historical data… premised with your brilliant deduction that in 1788 Cook took us out of the stone age…

  351. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2014 3:51 pm

    …you’re all over the shop!’…
    …Its a big island…

    Sorry not good enough, I can’t accept glib rejoinders as an excuse for saying one thing one minute and the complete opposite the next. I don’t know why you bother, what game you’re playing by doing this consistently, it’s like you’re sitting at a bar and just repeating what each bloke next to you says. More importantly, like abbott, I can’t believe a word you say. I’m out.

  352. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 4:21 pm

    ‘premised with your brilliant deduction that in 1788 Cook took us out of the stone age…’

    No it was Phillip.

    ‘I’m out.’

    Too bad, I was just warming up.

  353. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 4:32 pm

    Its a big island.

    And I guess that, by today’s standard, you could say that it is “sparcely” settled

    but, according to the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs”, under BRITISH rule, it is an “investment”, under Indigenous occupation, it is “unsettled”.

    If you cannot understand how that remark; taken within its context, and viewed particularity within the history of his previous remarks and actions; isn’t “highly offensive, incorrect and dismissed of Indigenous peoples”, then there really is no hope for you.

  354. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 4:36 pm

    it’s like you’re sitting at a bar and just repeating what each bloke next to you says.

    I’ll admit, I’ve heard people like that come stumps 😉

    we had ways of dealing with them then 😉

    I like the way reb deals with him now for his global warming ranting though. One of these days I might have a look through 🙂

  355. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 4:54 pm

    And let’s not forget this little gem from the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs”

    Tony Abbott has broken his campaign promise to spend the first week of his prime ministership with the Yolngu people in Arnhem Land, so News Corp is now pretending he never made it.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/tony-abbotts-broken-indigenous-promise-and-news-corp-breaking-bad,5750

    Has he been there yet?

    He managed to spend weeks on the slopes of France? Any time for his promise?

  356. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 5:10 pm

    ‘And I guess that, by today’s standard, you could say that it is “sparcely” settled’

    The Chinese and Indians think its sparsely populated outside the capital cities.

  357. egg permalink
    July 5, 2014 5:12 pm

    ‘One of these days I might have a look through :)’

    Don’t go out of your way, the science is already settled.

  358. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 5:58 pm

    the science is already settled.

    yet you consider it to be unsettled? Just like the “prime minister for Aboriginal Affairs”, who appears to think that 50,000 people living here is “unsettled”

    Deniers, the lots of ya

  359. Retroactive Moraliser permalink
    July 5, 2014 7:05 pm

    “Allow me to translate above… We Won, So Shut Up.”

    Which was absolutely not my point. My comment was in answer to this …

    “the familiar refusal to countenance responsibility for colonial misdeeds”

    In the context of the time, the colonisers/settlers/invaders were doing no wrong – either in their minds or the minds of those who sent them. Which doesn’t mean to say we can’t acknowledge and redress what we now know to have been injustices.

  360. Tom R permalink
    July 5, 2014 7:41 pm

    Cook had recorded signs that the coast was inhabited during the voyage north, and here he noted as he returned to the ship the great number of fires on all the land and islands about them, ‘a certain sign they are Inhabited’.

    That would have been Unsettling

  361. TB Queensland permalink
    July 5, 2014 8:06 pm

    There is an academic debate still going on as to who infected them.

    Link? You do spout nonsense bullshit!

    And that’s why I’ve been reading rather than commenting just lately*… its so fkn tiresome … glad others here have taken up the cudgel … ’tis such hard work …

    I see KL reached a similar conclusion … what happened to the reasoned debate we had some months ago?

    *and I have been a bit busy to comment on comment just lately … you still work in retirement – you just don’t get paid!

  362. Both Your Houses permalink
    July 5, 2014 8:13 pm

    Actually, egg is correct about it being the subject of debate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Fleet#First_Fleet_smallpox

  363. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 5, 2014 9:44 pm

    Apparently judy campbell was pretty selective and uncritical of the early settler’s accounts in her work

    …In the end, Campbell’s very ideological stand, combined with a tendency to conflate the narration with its historical sources, spoils a study that does — compellingly — provide a convincing analysis of the dynamics of Aboriginal epidemics. Even if up to date epidemiological models were applicable, reproducing a very selected and uncritical collection of historical sources flaws Campbell’s analysis…

    …Invisible Invaders downsizes other causes of Aboriginal depopulation and neglects the wealth of historical sources that during recent decades has accumulated on Aboriginal resistance. In the end, while contributing meaningfully to the study of Old World diseases and Aboriginals, Invisible Invaders fails in its ultimate attempt to excuse European responsibility….

    http://www.api-network.com/main/index.php?apply=reviews&webpage=api_reviews&flexedit=&flex_password=&menu_label=&menuID=homely&menubox=&Review=4576

  364. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2014 8:29 am

    Actually, egg is correct about it being the subject of debate.

    Actually, what we know is, what tabot calls “investment”, the unsettled settled called it something else

  365. egg permalink
    July 6, 2014 9:00 am

    Its unlikely they knowingly gave smallpox to the natives, because as Banks told the Admiralty, they are a ‘cowardly’ lot.

  366. egg permalink
    July 6, 2014 9:05 am

    Methinks if earth is invaded by extraterrestrials we may also appear compliant.

  367. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2014 11:25 am

    if earth is invaded by extraterrestrials

    In their defence, they may have not considered it to be already settled, having focussed their searches on intelligent life only.

  368. egg permalink
    July 6, 2014 11:53 am

    In the context of both invasions, yes.

  369. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2014 11:57 am

    Excuse me egg, but I might have misread you. Did you just say that the Aborigine’s were not intelligent?

  370. egg permalink
    July 6, 2014 1:56 pm

    The enlightened Europeans saw them as technologically disadvantaged primitive humans, less advanced than the Maori. That was the thinking at the time.

    Intelligence is a state of mind and all homo sapiens have the same brain size, so it depends on cultural perception. As you can appreciate I understand what it feels like to be called an unintelligent fucking cunt.

    You may have heard the yarn of an Eora man standing on South Head watching Cook travelling north and was mesmerised. He ran back to camp and told the others of this amazing sight and they just laughed at him, then the mimmics in the camp did a copy of his gesticulations and so the story was passed on.

    They stopped laughing a generation later when the fleet arrived.

  371. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2014 2:51 pm

    So, you are sticking by your opinion then that Aborigines are not intelligent, because, as tosy’s link earlier showed, the English certainly didn’t. It therefore must be your opinion.

    That is really quite demeaning of you egg.

  372. egg permalink
    July 6, 2014 2:55 pm

    I made it quite clear that the Eora were just as bright as the Europeans, its a cultural perspective.

    Earthians are glorified apes, get a life.

  373. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2014 3:15 pm

    Actually, it wasn’t quite clear, and, as yet, you haven’t denied the insinuation you gave.

    So, I’ll ask one last time then, do you consider the Aborigine’s not to be intelligent, as your initial comment insinuated.

    In the context of both invasions, yes.

    Considering that in the context of the British invasion they most certainly didn’t, one can only assume it is in your mind. Is it?

  374. egg permalink
    July 6, 2014 3:24 pm

    In the context of the European invasion of Australia and the Galactic Bruvverhood invasion of us.

    We are as innocents.

  375. Tom R permalink
    July 6, 2014 3:58 pm

    Then your opinion is as bad, if not worst, than our current pms opinion of the Aborigine peoples is.

    A pox on both your houses.

  376. egg permalink
    July 6, 2014 4:53 pm

    We appear to be talking at cross purposes.

  377. egg permalink
    July 7, 2014 8:36 am

    So to recap, the Eora people were just as intelligent as the European invaders, but differed in their technologies.

    Its worth noting that the First Fleet invasion force was close to starvation and would have perished if not for the return of La Nina. Which illustrates in spades how really bright whitey was.

  378. July 7, 2014 8:53 am
  379. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 7, 2014 9:07 am

    “our current pms opinion of the Aborigine peoples is.”

    And what, pray tell, is that?

  380. egg permalink
    July 7, 2014 8:33 pm

    ‘what happened to the reasoned debate we had some months ago?’

    Dunno

  381. July 7, 2014 10:41 pm

    oh yomm, my dear half-wit, you `present` yourself on `all-fours` once again,

    ””””””’Parents generally seek to have their children pursue occupations that involve higher education or ”’more-money”’ or that are ”’less-physically”’onerous than their own.”””””””””

    #while `somewhat`true, the ””major””reasons are `continuity` and `security`, that`s what pays the homeloan,

    .

    ”””The image of trades work is also unattractive,”””’

    #due to `security` and `continuity`

    .

    ”””and unions have a role to play.”””

    #only to the willfully blind that have been pushed arse-backwards into cosy cubicle jobs and never rolled-up their sleeves and done any hard yakka,

    .

    ”””””””Telecommunications work is generally seen as more professional, cleaner, less intense than (say) the electrical trade. In reality, many tasks are similar, and certainly electrical trades””””””””

    #do some research, WRONG

    .

    ”””””””many young people, they’d prefer to work for $18 an hour as a waiter, than earn $30 an hour as””””””a-tradie

    #ya`got any proof of that, it looks wrong to me,

    #ya`were bleating ya`cafe waiter was getting 40-bucks an hour not too long back, what, doesn`t that lie now fit this bullshit.?

    .

    ””””””’How many brickies with a bad back actually say – “if only my son could become a bricklayer for his whole life, just like me…”?”””””””’

    How many tradies with a bad job and homeloan actually say – “if only my son could become a tradie for his whole life, just like me…”?’

    .

    ””’Teabagz mates”””

    #this is the closest ya`come to being correct, (yeah, neighbors, friends, co-workers, over the years) ya`half-wit, you need to get out of the Tinfoil`cubicle` and see what other people do, and for how little, and non-secure/continuity #Teabags #privileged-pompous

  382. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2014 9:26 am

    Teabagz is apparently serious!
    • “If only my son could be a brickie with a bad back, just like me”
    • “if only my daughter was able to give up her job as a corporate accountant and become a motor mechanic covered in oil and grease, just like me”
    • “if only my kids could work on cold, damp, noisy construction sites, just like me, instead of working as a creative architect – designing the building”
    • “if only my kids were lugging cable through suburban pipes and pits every day for years and years, just like me”

    Yep, that what motivates the parents among “teabagz mates”

  383. July 8, 2014 3:52 pm

    that`s right, keep running you weak thing,

    #Let.your.Tinfoil.protect.you

    ”””””””””””””””””’plenty of tradies are hitting retirement, while `training`numbers have dropped, and 50% of the apprentices don`t `complete`(as after a year or so, they realize there is no `continuity`/`security`, so they drop-out) as the `suits` prefer to employ the cheap-unskilled, which is already playing out in the safety-arena, with scaffolds, cranes and walls increasingly collapsing(not to mention brazillian freeways) due to negligent public and workers daring to actually use them, or pass by””””””””””””””

  384. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2014 4:06 pm

    ”saying they are sending them to uni/biz-college, and won`t let`em be tradies, simply because…”

    Teabagz modus operandi –
    • Run away!!
    • Qualify an unambiguous statement!!
    • Make stuff up to justify the original bulls**t

    Then…run away!! And make stuff up!!

    Finally rely on the source with guaranteed credibility… “teabagz mates”

  385. July 8, 2014 10:32 pm

    and 50% of the apprentices don`t `complete`

    ””’simply because””’

    their daddy didn`t push`em arse-backwards into an overpaid, cosy cubicle job #teabags

  386. July 8, 2014 10:46 pm

    but of course if you really had anything to say beyond being a troll, you would have the nads to use the quote in full and context,

    ”””””””””””’and won`t let`em be tradies, simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits` (while at the same time driving-off the already skilled)”””””””’

    and if you weren`t such a dill, you would comprehend that the `continuity/security` aspect is highly important in repaying a homeloan,

    instead, you prefer to display your bigotry toward the working-class/poor/or-whatever, which `is` a form of bigotry, just as phobic, racist and sexist is

  387. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2014 9:46 am

    Typically Teabagz runs away from the nonsense he spruiks. What he said-
    ”l have heard brickies, sparkies, plumbers/etc talk about their kids, saying they are sending them to uni/biz-college, and won`t let`em be tradies, simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`

    So “teabagz mates” tell teabagz stuff like –

    • My daughter is studying to be a professional engineer at university, I sent her there even though I would have preferred her to become a brickie, just like me, but I didn’t simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`

    • Unfortunately I had to get my son to study architecture, he’ll finish up designing buildings, if only I could encouraged him to work on damp, cold, noisy construction sites, like me, but I couldn’t do that simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`

    • My son is an accountant, working in some air conditioned office, earning $90k a year, if only he could spend his life lugging cable around the suburbs, through clogged, muddy pits and pipes and earn $50k a year, just like me, but I didn’t let him simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`

    Teabagz spruiks crap, as usual.

  388. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 10:17 am

    Teabagz spruiks crap, as usual.

    But still expect, brickies, sparkies, plumbers and motor mechanics 🙂 etc, to work till they drop eventually reach 70 …

  389. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 10:20 am

    The true exposure of the witch hunt comes shining through

    grist for the mill

  390. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2014 10:44 am

    That’s a reasonable point TB.

    Lots of people will choose a range of other occupations, in preference to a trade, for many reasons, including that one.

    But Teabagz says parents press them into uni rather than a trade …simply because

    It’s crap, but he presses the point.

    • Poor grammar and spelling
    • Stupidity
    • Ridiculous generalisations

    …teabagz doesn’t really add much, in my opinion.

  391. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 12:13 pm

    How many tradies with a bad job and homeloan actually say – “if only my son could become a tradie for his whole life, just like me…”?’

    I think most parents know the capabilities of their kids, unless they are pretty hopeless parents. Most are happy that their kids get a job, any job, especially one that they are happy in. So many are left applying for jobs that never even earns them the courtesy of a reply, this happens to uni educated kids as well as those who attend tafe or those private colleges. If you can pay for elite private education, well that’s a whole other field of privilege where even the least capable will be given a hand and a leg up!

    Everyone wants their kids to have a better life than themselves, don’t want them to struggle in life. A plumber or electrician can earn much more than a white collar worker stuck in a cubicle or on the floor of a harvey normans shop. Some of the small business owners abuse and use the young ones terribly, absolutely exploit their youth and willingness to work. It’s hard for kids to get and keep employment, older generations never had that pressure when they started out, they are getting it now when they are retrenched as ruthless business keeps cutting and cutting.

  392. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 12:19 pm

    jobs for kids these days are a day to day event. it’s not even temporary any more, it’s akin to guys hanging out on a corner and selecting from the crowds there. Waiting for a phone call for a 6.30 start, maybe, probably not, seems to be becoming the norm.

    It’s heartbreaking watching it, but it is our Brave New World

    http://recode.net/2014/07/05/the-future-of-the-workforce-may-be-part-time-says-google-ceo-larry-page/

  393. Tom ofMelbourne permalink
    July 9, 2014 12:38 pm

    Exactly AO. Parents are (hopefully) encouraging their kids into occupations that they will find stimulating/engaging.

    I think being a plumber is great, and certainly trades can earn plenty.

    But it’s hard, damp, odorous work, and I doubt whether many parents encourage their kids into tertiary education ‘simply because’ plumbing isn’t so secure these days due to the ‘suits’

  394. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 12:59 pm

    Engineering is stimulating. yet this gubamint appears to be doing everything possible to send it offshore. After not allowing Australian firms to even submit tenders for warships, the ASC would be looking like a very temporary arrangement now also.

    Under the agreements Japanese-designed submarines could be built under licence in Adelaide or even straight off the shelf from Japan.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/australia-to-sign-new-submarines-deal-with-japan-as-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-visits-tony-abbott-in-canberra/story-fncynjr2-1226980720135

  395. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 1:14 pm

    parents might be better off sending their kids overseas.

    discussion re carbon tax on ABC

    Carbon tax repeal: UK politician Lord Deben attacks Tony Abbott’s ‘reckless’ plan to scrap carbon tax:
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-08/abbott-endangering-future-on-climate-lord-deben/5582902

    this guy seems to be an ex-pat aussie

    …rodv 10:18 AM on 09/07/2014
    As one commenter said, most of Australia voted for Mr. Abbott. My impression is that you Australians are well represented by your leaders. That’s why I left your land – the land of my birth. Although it’s not universal, but in talking to and working with a typical Australian, I always felt I might have been talking to Mr. Abbott. It wasn’t cultural misunderstaning – I was born there and I was one of you. It’s simply that the average Australian lacks four crucial qualities: love, courage, foresight and integrity. I left your land because the future you had in mind for my children was not good enough for them, not by a long shot.

    I thought you might have had the foresight beginning to show there with the CO2 price. You might have actually spawned new industries and developed something more sophisticated than dirt to flog off for a song whilst paying your miners for the privilege of gouging away your futures. But you blew that one too. Now places like the land I live in will be selling these technologies back to you. Like we now do with solar technology.

    Some of you might take a look at the CSIRO’s climate predictions for your future. You of all lands are going to be hit one of the hardest of everyone, certainly a great deal harder in the next 50 years than the land my children now call home.

    It will blackly funny when places like India shut their borders to Australians trying to flee their starving land. Well done, Australians. You’re nought but a sad, pathetic joke…

  396. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 1:20 pm

    Carbon tax repeal: Government loses Senate vote on income tax compensation bill
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-09/government-fails-to-bring-on-early-carbon-tax-vote/5583696

    …But the Senate voted against the Government’s legislation 40 votes to 33.

    Earlier today, the Government also failed to bring on an urgent Senate vote to axe the carbon tax, after crossbencher Ricky Muir voted with Labor to continue debate…

    😆

  397. July 9, 2014 1:23 pm

    “Government loses Senate vote on income tax compensation bill”

    hahahahahahahha!!

    Call the DD!

    #onetermtony

  398. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 1:33 pm

    …and 50% of the apprentices don`t `complete`
    ””’simply because””’
    their daddy didn`t push`em arse-backwards into an overpaid, cosy cubicle job #teabags…

    They don’t complete because they have adult commitments [family, children] and can’t survive on a pathetic apprentice wage. They also don’t complete because they have shit employers and colleagues who treat them badly.

  399. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 1:36 pm

    nice work swimming australia

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-09/royal-commission-told-scott-volkers-was-best-candidate-for-coac/5584094

    A former head of Swimming Australia has told a royal commission hearing that Scott Volkers was selected to coach the national women’s team because he was the best candidate for the role, despite allegations of child sexual abuse levelled against him…

  400. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 1:49 pm

    and 50% of the apprentices don`t `complete`

    There are many reasons just because of the budget why apprenticeships aren’t being completed, and that’s not even considering the loss of work involved in trashing our economy

    http://www.maitlandmercury.com.au/story/2282798/apprentices-lose-5500-tool-grant/

  401. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 2:30 pm

    Well done, Australians. You’re nought but a sad, pathetic joke…

    I’d like to know where this bloke retreated to … sniping from afar … even tho’ a lot of what he says is true … strangely my parents emigrated here for almost the same short sightedness in the UK in the 50’s …

    They also don’t complete because they have shit employers and colleagues who treat them badly.

    And lack of employer commitment by contract as they used to be (signatories were State Apprenticeship Board, Employer, Parents, Apprenticeship … apprenticeship training is also failing because of the amateurs involved, block training, group training schemes and extremely poor supervision and lack of understanding of the learning process …

    TAFE was one of my biggest rivals as an RTO but they were the best apprentice training colleges in the state(s) … destroyed by the Howard Government … and continued by Rudd/Gillard/Rudd … the iggorance is really astounding … and destroying us …

  402. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 2:33 pm

    despite allegations of child sexual abuse levelled against him…

    The neighbours we have known for 30 years (the ones we travel with) knew one of the girls involved … it was quite a big deal when the charges were dropped … all sorts of rumours of “favours” called in … I’m a firm believer in karma …

  403. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 2:55 pm

    The neighbours we have known for 30 years (the ones we travel with) knew one of the girls involved … it was quite a big deal when the charges were dropped …

    Winning is everything! It seems for all the pretence at doing the right thing and sports people being of good character, if they have a useful talent to offer the nation, we will happily overlook and cover up. Is sexual abuse so common that some people just don’t worry about it, is it so entrenched in society that people automatically think it must be the girl’s fault or simply OK ?

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 4:38 pm

    Is sexual abuse so common that some people just don’t worry about it, is it so entrenched in society …

    Not in my workplace it wasn’t … although I terminated one bloke because my boss didn’t know how (??) and my mentor (mentioned before) said to him get TB in and he’ll show you how its done … took all of a minute, when I knew the facts …

    I had another case in PNG when one of my expat training officers went over my head (to the same mentor – he was my boss then) and complained about a National training officer who worked with her … when I heard the complaint it just seemed concocted to me … when I tried to get the National’s story he clammed and I had no choice but to charge him … (he was happily married with a couple of kids – ex naval officer and far younger than the complainant).

    My mentor was later seen with her … both in bathrobes on a hotel balcony in the PNG highlands … I’d returned to Oz by then and never spoke to him again … deliberately.

  405. July 9, 2014 4:43 pm

    ”””””””””””’Typically Teabagz runs away from the nonsense he spruiks. What he said-
    ”l have heard brickies, sparkies, plumbers/etc talk about their kids, saying they are sending them to uni/biz-college, and won`t let`em be tradies, simply because their work conditions/security are continually under attack from the `suits`
    So “teabagz mates” tell teabagz stuff like””””””””””””’

    #the only one ya fooled with ya reversed dot-points seems to be TB

    #amount of hours yomm spent `actually` doing `any` of these jobs, ZERO

    ___________

    But still expect, brickies, sparkies, plumbers and motor mechanics 🙂 etc, to work till they drop, eventually reach 70

    #good point TB, and as ya brought it up, yeah, been an auto-shop TA too,

    _________________

    How many tradies with a bad job and homeloan actually say – “if only my son could become a tradie for his whole life, just like me…”?’

    #that was just a bit of sarc for yomm armchair

    ””””””””’Everyone wants their kids to have a better life than themselves, don’t want them to struggle in life.””””””””

    #yep, armchair gets it

    ”””””””A plumber or electrician *CAN* earn much more than a white collar worker stuck in a cubicle or on the floor”””””””

    #yes `can`, but not `always`, and not `all` of`em, the building/service work `many` do is `short-term` or by `project`, with `down-time` often between jobs

    ””””””””””’It’s hard for kids to get and keep employment, older generations never had that pressure when they started out, they are getting it now when they are retrenched as ruthless business keeps cutting and cutting.”””””””””

    # 100% correct armchair, which in the past l`ve tried to point-out to TB

    _____________

    ”””””””””””””jobs for kids these days are a day to day event. it’s not even temporary any more, it’s akin to guys hanging out on a corner and selecting from the crowds there. Waiting for a phone call for a 6.30 start, maybe, probably not, seems to be becoming the norm.”””””””””

    #yes tom-r correct, its not just the `kids` either

    __________________

    ”””””””’Engineering is stimulating. yet this gubamint appears to be doing everything possible to send it offshore. After not allowing Australian firms to even submit tenders for warships””””””””

    #seems to me our Govts keep getting dumber by the minute tom-r

    ______________

    …and 50% of the apprentices don`t `complete`
    ””’simply because””’
    their daddy didn`t push`em arse-backwards into an overpaid, cosy cubicle job #teabags…

    ”””””””””””They don’t complete because they have adult commitments [family, children] and can’t survive on a pathetic apprentice wage. They also don’t complete because they have shit employers and colleagues who treat them badly.””””””””

    #yep armchair, and the `continuity/security` aspect is part of that

    ___________________

    ”””””””’lack of employer commitment by contract as they used to be (signatories were State Apprenticeship Board, Employer, Parents, Apprenticeship … apprenticeship training is also failing because of the amateurs involved, block training, group training schemes and extremely poor supervision and lack of understanding of the learning process””””””””””

    #yep TB, agree, no indenture is no company commitment as far as l`m concerned

  406. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 6:06 pm

    continued by Rudd/Gillard/Rudd

    It was my understanding that Labor had begun the slow revival of TAFES. What policies were restricting them in your view?

  407. July 9, 2014 7:02 pm

    ”””””””””””I think being a plumber is great, and certainly trades can earn plenty.

    But it’s hard, damp, odorous work, and I doubt whether many parents encourage their kids into tertiary education ‘simply because’ plumbing isn’t so secure these days due to the ‘suits””””””””””””””””

    .

    Where is my half-wit.?

    He should be back by now.

    With the `Kato` and the `extra-wide` bucket attached.

  408. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 9, 2014 9:11 pm

    I get those little yellow face things for laughing, smiling or frowning, but is there one for yawning about a dull, barely literate, bulls**t artist?

  409. July 9, 2014 9:41 pm

    there he is 🙂

  410. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 7:15 am

    is there one for yawning about a dull, barely literate, bulls**t artist?

    :yomm: 🙂

  411. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 8:53 am

  412. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 9:00 am

    And so it begins ROFL

  413. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 9:02 am
  414. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 9:50 am

    # 100% correct armchair, which in the past l`ve tried to point-out to TB

    You really do have a problem, sunshine … and I’m well aware of the difficulties of young job seekers today … I have five g/kids two are in their 20’s and two of them teenagers … job seeking is a major topic in our family … as it was with my 55 yo mate – highly qualified Porsche Diplomas and out of work for 15 months … my father used to look for work on my pushbike, with fourpence in his pocket for a phone call and an apple for lunch …

    We all have our tales of grief (except Wally of course) 🙂

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