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Everybody Hates Tony Abbott (Part II)

July 7, 2014

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In every state, every age group, among men and women, the city and the country, Tony Abbott’s dissatisfaction ratings are soaring.

And it’s not just because of voter backlash against the Budget.   Australians far and wide are rejecting the government’s blatant lies and broken promises and are reeling over senior minister Scott Morrison’s silence over the fate of asylum seekers at sea.

Voter support for the government has plummeted by three points to 37 per cent, and even more heavily in the usually stronghold states of Western Australia and Queensland.

Government support has collapsed by six points to just 40 per cent in WA and by down four points to 37 per cent in Queensland.

There has also been a significant fall in backing from older voters, with support among those aged between 35 and 49 tumbling three points to 34 per cent, and among those 50 and older falling from 48 per cent to 45 per cent.

Tony Abbott has taken a body blow, with only 38 per cent of voters in the prime minister’s home state of NSW preferring him in the top job, compared to 42 per cent who say they’d back Opposition Leader Bill Shorten.

The prime minister’s personal rating has fallen sharply in all states and every demographic group.

Basically, no one likes him.

Nationally, he is preferred as prime minister by 37 per cent of voters (a drop of four points) while nationwide approval for Mr Shorten has jumped from 36 per cent to 41 per cent.

Meanwhile the Abbott government has created a hub of 37 communication and social media specialists to monitor social media and offer strategic communications advice costing taxpayers almost $4.3 million a year.

Details released in Senate documents show the ‘‘Strategic Communications Branch’’ was implemented late last year, where the 37 staff are expected to oversee media within the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, including Indigenous Affairs and the Office for Women.

According to the documents, staff are expected to monitor social media, offer strategic communications advice and create internal newsletters graphic design support, among other duties.

Details released to the Senate show the departments of Immigration, Border Protection and Australian Customs have 85 permanent and 10 other staff responsible for media monitoring, internal communication and public relations.

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514 Comments leave one →
  1. egg permalink
    July 7, 2014 4:59 pm

    Early days.

  2. July 7, 2014 5:51 pm

    Actually we’re one third of the way through Abbott’s first term.

  3. egg permalink
    July 7, 2014 5:57 pm

    Plenty of time for the infrastructure PM.

  4. July 7, 2014 6:02 pm

    Pffft!

  5. egg permalink
    July 7, 2014 6:10 pm

    We’ll have to wait for the G20 meeting to see what’s in store.

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    July 7, 2014 6:12 pm

    ‘‘Strategic Communications Branch’’ was implemented late last year, where the 37 staff are expected to oversee media within the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, including Indigenous Affairs and the Office for Women.

    FMS! This twat Abbott thinks he’s living in WWII … Strategic Comms Branch? WTF!

    OSS the Office of Strategic Services in WWII was the “grandfather” of today’s US CIA or AUS ASIO or UK’s MI6/MI5 – now SIS …

    Amazing …

    I know where the government can save $4.3 mill.

  7. egg permalink
    July 7, 2014 7:43 pm

    ‘… staff are expected to monitor social media, offer strategic communications advice’

    The SCB seems Orwellian, but in reality they are just reading AIMN and Trash to see what people are thinking.

  8. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 7, 2014 8:34 pm

  9. LOVO the WATERMELON PuP permalink
    July 7, 2014 9:11 pm

    HATE ABBOTT….. Naaa….. hates to nice a word. I have voted Lib before… will never.. ever.. again. Hate, pfft, more than f’n hate.. mate.

  10. July 7, 2014 9:20 pm

    `part ii` huh, l suppose this is one thing we `can` rely on mr-rabbit for

    ____

    (looks like Lovo fell off the tea-trolley) #Go-Clive

  11. July 7, 2014 9:30 pm

    Hello testing 123….hello? Now you are listening you sycophant totalitarian fucktards… Listen this blog is far more important that and deserves a much better fucktard troll than the Squeal of Sydney knobhead.. or are you trying to bore us to death… Well considering the minister for menstruation I guess you are… PS get fucked, you deserve Lambi and Good luck with the supreme court tomorrow, hope Morrisons bass turn into bicycle wheels and back pedal up his ass.. So hoo roo go and dip ya eye in hot cocky shit and ram it up a dead bears bum..you bunch of lying cunts.

  12. July 7, 2014 10:00 pm

    LOL @ Ricky Pann… 😆

  13. July 7, 2014 10:15 pm

    Do you think they heard me Reb? You deserve a better class of troll other than a droll repetitive Aldi drinking bowlers greenhorn… lets hope they send you one that is at least a cigar puffing, well dressed ken doll who aspires to a minimum of “barry” rated grange 🙂

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 7, 2014 10:20 pm

    lets hope they send you one that is at least a cigar puffing, well dressed ken doll who aspires to a minimum of “barry” rated grange

    Hello there to you too.

  15. July 8, 2014 12:51 am

    ”””””””””””””’nationwide approval for Mr Shorten has jumped from 36 per cent to 41 per cent.

    Meanwhile the Abbott government has created a hub of 37 communication and social media specialists to monitor social media and offer strategic communications advice costing taxpayers almost $4.3 million a year.””””””””””””””’

    some years ago, teabags in teh-usa spent big-bucks to flood irc and other chat systems (eg.icq,aol,etc) with trolls to spam the interwebs with teabag-theory and derail chat-room discussion. All they really succeeded in doing was showing their own flaws and stupidity to the world.

    Jump forward 15-years or so, of `course` mr-rabbit will run with proven failed ideas from teh-usa, that`s what the canberra teabags do.

  16. Meta permalink
    July 8, 2014 2:04 am

    (I, for one, am very surprised that the land-lubber HCA has interim-intervened in unquestionably perfectly sensible and perfectly legal on-water operations….Yeah, under enhanced processing protocols, we ascertained an illegal who probably was a legal refugee and probably was due protection; and, yeah, we chose to spread that news economically via The Telegraph; but sadly s/he volunteered to go back to Dilmah-flavour-of-Ceylon, with or without our very professional Teabag Border Force considering that brewing circumstance too much or too closely, or ensuring that the passenger (in)directly obtained (in)dependent migration advice before being tipped over and poured out, to enhance the overall perception of the proprieties of the process of (in)voluntourism.)

  17. Meta permalink
    July 8, 2014 2:31 am

    (Clearly, none were found; well one-and-forty were found, then forty-and-one was found unfound and unfound found, and any irresponsible claims to the contrary are therefore unfounded…

    But Mr Newhouse argues there are serious concerns for the safety of the asylum seekers if they are handed over, and is worried they will also be charged and potentially jailed.

    ‘‘In Sri Lankan jails, detainees are often subjected to torture and sometimes they never reappear,’’ he said. ‘‘We’re talking about a boat load of women and children, and I would have thought that the minister needs to think very clearly before he sends them into Sri Lankan jail.’’

    The group already handed over will face court in the port of Galle at an unspecified date, charged under the Immigrants and Emigrants Act, a Sri Lankan police spokesman reportedly said. The asylum seekers were transferred in mild sea conditions off the coast of Sri Lanka after the boat was stopped west of the Cocos Islands in late June.

    “The sentence for those who are proved to have left illegally is two years of rigorous imprisonment and a fine,” the spokesman said, according to Reuters.

    The Australian government says none of the Tamils, who were screened via video link, are in danger of persecution. ‘‘All were screened in terms of any potential protection obligation and none were found to be owed that protection,’’ Immigration Minister Scott Morrison said on Monday.

    Refugee lawyer David Manne said it was difficult to track the fate of returned asylum seekers. “This is part of the problem that we’ve seen in Sri Lanka, with people being essentially summarily expelled there without proper due process,” he told ABC TV.

    Further comment has been sought from Mr Morrison’s office.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/high-court-grants-injunction-over-asylum-seeker-boat-20140707-zszfk.html )

  18. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 7:31 am

    From one boat 41 persons were transferred, including 37 Sinhalese and four Tamil Sri Lankan nationals. The advocacy lawyers have accepted that the Sinhalese are illegal guest workers.

  19. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 7:40 am

    ‘Former Army Commander Sarath Fonseka, who was granted a Presidential Pardon was released from the Welikda prison a short while ago. His words as he came out of the prison were, “I will sacrifice my life for you who stood by me and supported at all times. I will always be there for you.”

    Colombo Times

  20. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 8:28 am

    If not for Abbott and Morrison its certain Fonseka would have rotted in gaol forever.

  21. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 8:48 am

    Correction

    Abbott and Morrison had nothing to do with Fonseka’s release, it happened a couple of years ago. (Scribe failed to check his facts and made shit up)

    “Fonseka can vote, but cannot contest, if he is without civic rights.”

    – See more at: http://www.dailynews.lk/?q=political/sarath-fonseka-cant-contest-elections#sthash.zCGcI2Ae.dpuf

  22. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 8, 2014 9:09 am

    When the High Court ruled the Malaysian Solution illegal Gillard and her cretinouos cronies, in true lefty style, attacked the judges. It will be interesting to see whether the Libs have sunk that low.

  23. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 8, 2014 9:36 am

    I was listening to ABC yesterday afternoon.

    The debate was about “mandate”. Many suggested that Abbott didn’t have a mandate to repeal the carbon tax as the Greens and the ALP were elected on the basis of not dismantling it.

    Ignoring that Rudd/ALP was committed to “terminating” it, the main point they seemed to miss was that on the basis of this logic, the only HoR MP that was elected on the basis of a carbon tax in 2010 was Adam Bandt, 1 out of 147, some “mandate” Gillard had for introducing it in the first place.

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 9:46 am

    And people reckon paying teachers more money will improve education? Don’t think so …

    From news.com.au

    There are lengthy traffic cues in Brisbane this morning after a truck crash on the Gateway Bridge …

  25. July 8, 2014 9:49 am

    ” attacked the judges. It will be interesting to see whether the Libs have sunk that low.”

    Well…their one-eyed dimwits certainly have…

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/high_court_stops_transfer_of_sri_lankans/

    99% of comments on that thread are indicative of partisan mental problems.
    Also, it’s hard not to assume that Bolt is agitating his base to smear the High Court; even if he doesn’t come out & explicitly state as much (he’s not as thick as his arselickers).

  26. July 8, 2014 9:51 am

    Because arrogantly thumbing our noses at International Laws we’ve signed to is not fraught & makes us look awesome, presumably.

  27. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 9:55 am

    Actually yomm, Labors position was to move from the fixed price ets (what the media and libs called Gillard’s Carbon Tax, even though it differed remarkably from the Carbon Tax Gillard promised not to implement) to a full floating ets (which is the same as the previous except the price was not set), which was supposed to be coming in …about now instead of another year from now from memory.

    But, our parly is about to get rid of the ets, on the proviso, according to pup, that we have an ets ❓ 😯

    No wonder the monkeys confused.

  28. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 9:58 am

  29. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 10:02 am

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 10:02 am

    ToM … I’m actually still agnostic on climate change …

    … but I do reckon an ETS would help global pollution far more than direct action … polluters need incentives to find alternative/alternative solutions to production, rather than taxpayers “rewarding” them for improvements in pollution control …

    … as for planting more trees … mining companies are actually the experts in reclamation these days and it may be a good way to provide jobs for displaced miners, coupled with reclamation expertise from the mining companies …

    I haven’t heard of anyone who has really been “hurt” by the introduction of the carbon tax … and most people didn’t notice a difference … the power prices would have still escalated (and will continue to do so) because of privatisation of what should be a “social” service provided by government … not a profit centre for shareholders …

  31. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 10:06 am

    I want to see hockeys crocodile tears now


    Australia accused of breaking law after returning asylum seekers to Sri Lanka
    UN refugee agency says it is ‘deeply concerned’ about transfer of Tamils, who fear torture or death at hands of Sri Lanka police

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/07/australia-accused-breaking-law-returning-asylum-seekers-sri-lanka

    Mind you, Labor also return Sri Lankans before under similar arrangements, so are as much to blame for this almighty mess. No wonder they are too afraid to stick their heads over the turrets on this issue.

  32. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 10:19 am

  33. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 10:25 am

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 10:52 am

    You sound surprised, TR … 🙄

  35. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 11:22 am

    Yes

    I had assumed it would be more 😉

  36. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 8, 2014 11:38 am

  37. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 11:44 am

    ‘… but I do reckon an ETS would help global pollution far more than direct action … polluters need incentives to find alternative/alternative solutions to production, rather than taxpayers “rewarding” them for improvements in pollution control …’

    Clearly you are not a practicing agnostic.

  38. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 11:57 am

    Clearly he is not a Denier

  39. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 12:04 pm

    No, he’s not a member of the Denialati.

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 1:02 pm

    Clearly you are not a practicing agnostic.

    WTF does that mean …

  41. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 1:09 pm

    WTF does that mean …

    I think it means that you can think for yourself, without the likes of bolt spinning the wheels 😉

  42. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 1:22 pm

    To call a harmless trace gas a pollutant is politically and scientifically incorrect.

  43. Tom R permalink
    July 8, 2014 2:05 pm

    Take your persistent denial of reality out the back dopey

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollutant#Fund_pollutants

  44. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 2:07 pm

    Dap is a sop.

  45. July 8, 2014 2:18 pm

    To call EGG a harmless trace gas a brainless pollutant is politically and scientifically in correct.

    Yes quite sure we all agree on that 🙂

  46. July 8, 2014 4:08 pm

    ””””I’m actually still agnostic on climate change””””

    says the guy that Loves and promotes `quals` and `training`,

    WTF does that mean for years of 97%`quals` and 97%`training` in science.?

    #watch.TB.run.from.this.yet.again 🙂

  47. July 8, 2014 4:10 pm

    #TB.is.a.closet.denier

  48. July 8, 2014 4:12 pm

    Your punctuation leaves a lot to be desired…

    #Justsayin’

  49. July 8, 2014 4:31 pm

    hash justsayin open quote punctuation close quote
    dear sir reb comma get stuffed full stop 🙂

  50. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 5:34 pm

    To call a harmless trace gas a pollutant is politically and scientifically incorrect.

    Pollution comes in many forms, egg … you’re the one who is obsessed …

    #watch.TB.run.from.this.yet.again

    WTF am I running from, exactly? And again?

    You sometimes sound like, egg’s, room-mate …

  51. July 8, 2014 5:43 pm

    #yep.that`s.running

  52. egg permalink
    July 8, 2014 6:03 pm

    ‘you’re the one who is obsessed …’

    Not really, its been a hard fought political battle and we won, but there is still some mopping up to do.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    July 8, 2014 6:14 pm

    #yep.that`s.running

    Meaning?

    Just because you think you can read minds (you can’t BTW) don’t think other people can read yours (yuk … what an wierd place that must be) …

  54. July 9, 2014 3:39 pm

    #yep.that`s.running

    Meaning?

    Well it`s not that hard TB,

    when l point out,

    _______________

    TB””””I’m actually still agnostic on climate change””””

    says the guy that Loves and promotes `quals` and `training`,

    WTF does that mean for years of 97%of`quals` and 97%of`training` in science.?

    #watch.TB.run.from.this.yet.again 🙂

    ________________________

    previously, when l`ve said along the lines that,

    `education,training,quals have become a bit of a ponzi-scheme for job-seekers`

    you TB, have always spouted back the positives of said ponzi-scheme, and l`m just curious, to know why you TB, who seems to be pretty `pro-quals` is then `agnostic` toward 97%-of-quals-in-science and `agnostic` toward 97%-of-training-in-science,

    (note, l`m not interested in the regurgitated `micro`detail boltisms of slippery, tricky, gotcha half-wittery we get from `our` usual suspects #teabags)

  55. egg permalink
    July 9, 2014 3:45 pm

    What you seek teabagz is total adherence to the mantra, no wishy washy agnostics.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 4:06 pm

    Are most Australians really climate ‘agnostics’?
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/southern-crossroads/2014/jan/19/australia-john-howard-climate-change-attitudes-polling-agnostics

    …Despite this right-wing media cheer-squad, John Howard is living in a right-wing fantasy world if he truly believes that “most” are “sustained agnostics” on climate change. His view is simply not supported by public polling figures.

    It is clear however that Australia has been taken over by a coterie of climate denialists, decision-makers who either don’t believe in climate change at all, or don’t accept the dangers.

    John Howard ended his speech with a clarion call for increased drilling of shale oil and gas, incredibly under the rubric of “energy independence”. It looks like his protégé Tony Abbott wants to take Australia down a reckless path of fossil fuel addiction, and to make Australia an utterly dependent charco-state…

  57. egg permalink
    July 9, 2014 4:53 pm

    The mopping up will take a little while, but at least the science is finally settled.

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    July 9, 2014 5:04 pm

    I guess even, egg, gets it … Tbagz …

    Do you have a 5000 litre water tank for drinking and garden watering?

    Do you grow some of your vegetables and fruit?

    Do you use a solar hot water system? (We’re on our second, first survived 25 years)

    Do you completely power your home with a solar system?

    Do use rechargeable batteries exclusively – charged via solar power?

    Do you operate a diesel vehicle less than five years old?

    ‘Cause if you don’t … you are doing far more damage to the planet than we are …

    … don’t lecture me about climate change … I’m (nor are you) in no position to alter the outcome of politicians poncing about with scientific information they do not fully understand …

    Climate change has been affecting this planet for millions of years … I don’t know whether humans are the cause of weather now or future shifts in climate … and as you constantly point out I am old enough to have seen many changes over the years I’ve enjoyed on Earth …

    Therefore I am agnostic on the subject …

    However I seek to use alternative energy where I can and reduce my own personal impact on the planet, however infinitesimal that may be …

    I’m currently researching moving completely off the grid right now …

    Happy?

    As for competency based learning being a Ponzi scheme … I have no idea how you reach that conclusion … unless you don’t understand the meaning of Ponzi … agnostic seemed to baffle you a bit …

    … I do know that every statement of attainment and qualification issued under my hand had knowledge and skills assessment properly designed and administered by ME … plus my own undergrad quals were uniquely in-service … unlike other degrees …

    As for five day Cert IV courses – I have ranted about that before – even with national and state supervision the cowboys still keep coming … you obviously only skim most of my comments on the subject of education, training and development** … … and there have been a few over the eight years + I’ve been commenting around here …

    Walk the talk before you start pontificating at me …

    (**my chosen profession and one I still don’t take lightly)

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 9, 2014 5:29 pm

    http://www.news-mail.com.au/news/poll-shows-queensland-wants-climate-change-action/2310922/
    ALMOST eight-out-of-10 Queenslanders would support Senators pushing for an emissions trading scheme if the government scraps the carbon tax according to new polling data.

    The ReachTEL poll paid for by WWF-Australia contacted 3619 residents across Tasmania, Western Australia, Queensland and Victoria, all states represented by Palmer United Party senators.

    Apparently because of competition, qantas couldn’t increase prices as much as they wanted, so that means they won’t be cutting prices when the carbon tax is removed.
    Market competition is bad for consumers ❓

    Qantas says carbon tax didn’t put prices up, removal won’t send them down
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-09/qantas-carbon-tax-prices-did-not-go-up-will-not-come-down/5584794

  60. egg permalink
    July 9, 2014 5:44 pm

    ‘The ReachTEL poll paid for by WWF-Australia’

    Its a highly credible source.

  61. July 9, 2014 6:00 pm

    Do you have a 5000 litre water tank for drinking and garden watering?

    Nope.

    Do you grow some of your vegetables and fruit?

    Nope.

    Do you use a solar hot water system? (We’re on our second, first survived 25 years)

    Nope.

    Do you completely power your home with a solar system?

    Nope.

    Do use rechargeable batteries exclusively – charged via solar power?

    Nope.

    Do you operate a diesel vehicle less than five years old?

    ‘Cause if you don’t … you are doing far more damage to the planet than we are …

    Really?

    I live in apartment, use public transport and hardly drive at all.

  62. July 9, 2014 6:11 pm

    ””””I guess even, egg, gets it”””””

    #no s/he doesn`t, more likely a `paid` to troll ipa stooge, or `useful` imbecile doing it for free, just like on irc/chat systems were

    ________

    Do you have a 5000 litre water tank for drinking and garden watering?

    Do you grow some of your vegetables and fruit? #yes

    Do you use a solar hot water system? (We’re on our second, first survived 25 years)

    Do you completely power your home with a solar system?

    Do use rechargeable batteries exclusively – charged via solar power?
    #yes, but off grid-power

    Do you operate a diesel vehicle less than five years old?
    #yes, diesel, but `old`

    #no to rest, due to struggle-street finance,

    # yes, energy efficient bulbs and appliances, as can be afforded,

    ______

    don’t lecture me about climate change … I’m (nor are you) in no position to alter the outcome of politicians poncing about with scientific information they do not fully understand

    #agree, wasn`t `lecturing` TB, thanks for replying, l think you realize l don`t believe either side of the poncing-pollies either

    _____

    ””Climate change has been affecting this planet for millions of years””
    ””Therefore I am agnostic on the subject””

    ””’However I seek to use alternative energy where I can and reduce my own personal impact on the planet, however infinitesimal that may be””’

    #fair-enough

    ______

    ”””’I’m currently researching moving completely off the grid right now”””

    #ditto, what system are you thinking of moving to TB,

    solar with battery storage, or something else.?

  63. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 6:29 pm

    ”Climate change has been affecting this planet for millions of years”

    True. People have been dying for thousands of years. But does this mean we can shoot them?

  64. July 9, 2014 6:49 pm

    l saved this `fact-check` for ya`TB, on anzus,

    l suppose `our` usual suspects will doo some wailing too

    ”””””””””’Professor Hugh White, a former senior defence department official and adviser to Labor prime minister Bob Hawke, tells Fact Check there are a lot of questions about what “act” means. “It doesn’t necessarily mean military action,” he says.”””””””””

    .

    ””””We are not legally obliged by the treaty to send forces.””””

    .

    ””””””””’The claim: Julie Bishop says at the heart of the ANZUS treaty is a commitment for signatories to come to one another’s aid in the worst of times.

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-08/does-anzus-commit-us-to-come-to-australias-aid-fact-check/5559288
    ””””””””””

  65. egg permalink
    July 9, 2014 7:29 pm

    ”Climate change has been affecting this planet for millions of years”

    Climate change probably began when the planet formed an atmosphere.

  66. July 9, 2014 7:34 pm

    fcuk off to your hole with that shit

  67. egg permalink
    July 9, 2014 7:58 pm

    And you are?

  68. July 9, 2014 8:08 pm

    100% correct ..fuck off to your hole with that shit Egg or have you caught squeals disease.?… Ironically a moter enthusiast political greenhorn called Ricky is one of the only sane people in the parliament… that is fucking scary.

  69. July 9, 2014 8:24 pm

    ”””””””””’It is clear however that Australia has been taken over by a coterie of climate denialists, decision-makers who either don’t believe in climate change at all, or don’t accept the dangers.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/southern-crossroads/2014/jan/19/australia-john-howard-climate-change-attitudes-polling-agnostics
    ””””””””””””””’

    #unfortunately armchair, our timid double-speak media are also the problem, they should have the courage to say Aust is being run by corrupt politicians in the pocket of big-fossil, or get out of the news business

    ”””””””””””””””’Despite this right-wing media cheer-squad, John Howard is living in a right-wing fantasy world if he truly believes that “most” are “sustained agnostics” on climate change.””””””””””””’

    #and the news business needs to stop taking the bait, and get away from these type of half-wit arguments, can you imagine if l claimed,

    most of the public are `sustained agnostics` on heart surgery

    Would `you` really counter my idiotic claim with yet, another idiotic claim like,

    ””””His view is simply not supported by public polling figures.”””’

    #unfortunately, this author chose to bury this,

    ”””””””””’anonymous billionaires have spent more than $120 million funding more than 100 climate denial groups in an effort to discredit climate science.”””””””’

    #an actual fact buried amongst JohnW`s pack of lies speech, and fcuking `polls`

  70. Tom R permalink
    July 9, 2014 8:37 pm

    tabots exemplary negotiating skills on display again. Lucky for us, he’s just shit at it.

    On July 8, Clive Palmer announced that he would be voting to keep Labor’s LISC – joining with the ALP, Greens, Nick Xenophon and John Madigan. This means Tony Abbott no longer has the numbers to abolish it.

    The Low Income Super Contribution is saved!

    http://www.australianunions.org.au/lisc_thank_you

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 9:59 am

    #ditto, what system are you thinking of moving to TB,

    solar with battery storage, or something else.?

    Battery – the new enclosed glass type … but a system that is modular ie shift in increments 25% 50% 75% 100% …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    True. People have been dying for thousands of years. But does this mean we can shoot them?

    WTF does that mean … unless it means can I do anything about it personally? No I can’t … except protect my own … and we do … exactly the same as CC we look after our own … it would be nice to be able to fend for everyone but we can’t …

    I’m no more responsible for shootings (why shoot anyway) people than curbing world CC … BTW more people are killed by car drivers than shooters … how do you stop that?

  72. egg permalink
    July 10, 2014 10:23 am

    Ah yes but CC has the potential to wipe out millions, as happened in the past, but these days we are better organised to avoid disaster.

  73. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 10:36 am

    WTF does that mean

    It means that, like the climate changing, people have been dying for years for a variety of reasons but, like the recent climate change, the killing would be a result of mans direct involvement.

    Just because it has happened before without our involvement, doesn’t mean that we are not responsible for it now.

    EVERY study has revealed either no discernible reason, or mans hand in it. There has not been any other possible reason discovered. The past ones have always had an outside influence, described by scientific studies. In this most recent change, the only influence to have left their trail of culpability is mankind’s activities.

  74. egg permalink
    July 10, 2014 10:41 am

    Let’s talk about the hiatus?

  75. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 10:56 am

    Let’s talk about the hiatus?

    Talk about denialist talking points out the back

  76. egg permalink
    July 10, 2014 11:00 am

    Okay

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 11:37 am

    It means that, like the climate changing, people have been dying for years for a variety of reasons but, like the recent climate change, the killing would be a result of mans direct involvement.

    So?

    What is it that makes my agnostic stand bother you lot …

    … some things I have not reached a definite conclusion on … God and human influence on CC just happen to be two of them … true believers – on either subject – always seem hell bent (LOL!) on conversion … and atheists and denialists, while not as bad, try the same …

    Not interested …

    I’m also one of those unusual people who question doctors and dentists too …

    (Just a bit of detail re my take on Deities … some people here think I must be an atheist not agnostic because I give organised religions (especially the micks) such a hard time … the intelligent ones will have figured out it has nothing to do with the existence of any Deity but the hypocritical behaviour of the “true believers” and the human behaviour of organised religion in general … just sayin’ …)

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 11:42 am

    WTF does that mean … unless it means can I do anything about it personally? No I can’t … except protect my own … and we do … exactly the same as CC we look after our own … it would be nice to be able to fend for everyone but we can’t …

    What about the people who don’t have the means and the resources to look after themselves, let alone others. What about the poor pensioners who can’t afford to get solar panels and are going to be affected by ongoing price rises as the elec companies try to claw back profits when the wealthier go solar and perhaps off the grid?

    Is it every man for himself, and bugger the rest?

    not good enough for me, a bit too tosy ‘libertarian’ for my liking 😉

    We’re all in this together and the govt should be leading and acting for the protection and good of it’s citizens. Instead we’ve got short sighted denial on behalf of fossil fuel billionaires.

  79. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 11:56 am

    What is it that makes my agnostic stand bother you lot …

    I personally don’t have an issue with you “agnostic” stand, you don’t argue one way or another.

    It is denialist like grodo that shit me, lying and repeating false assertions time after time. They are the well paid and the ones making the money, but they accuse the scientists of being in it for the cash.

    And, they are preventing (they think) any real advance in prevention.

  80. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 11:58 am

    This is the result of sticking your head in hte sand, and ignoring reality from real data

    Australia’s household solar revolution has caught the energy sector by surprise, and may leave NSW and Queensland taxpayers footing the bill for billions of dollars worth of “stranded assets”.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-09/solar-panels-leads-to-less-demand-for-electricity/5586036

    We kept getting told that it wasn’t really happening by the usual suspects. Well, it was, and we are all paying for it now.

  81. egg permalink
    July 10, 2014 12:18 pm

    ‘It is denialist like grodo that shit me, lying and repeating false assertions time after time.’

    Noice to know you have been attending my lectures.

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 12:25 pm

    They’re already changing the rules with new customers in qld not getting any tariffs from 30th june. The qld govt is also actively working against consumers by allowing the elec companies to change the rules and prevent people from putting up enough solar to feed into the grid.
    How is that fair?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-08/qld-providers-trying-to-block-solar-from-grid-groups-says/5579874

    The Australian Solar Council has criticised moves by Ergon and Energex to encourage new customers to install smaller solar systems that do not feed electricity back into the power grid.

    Ergon and Energex said the changes, which included new rules about installing systems that feed in power, would help them manage the detrimental impact of solar on their power networks…

  83. July 10, 2014 12:53 pm

    Oh.. I love Clive the solvent that id dissolving Abbott… Abbott has the trigger ..pull it, its aimed at your head.

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 12:53 pm

    legislation to repeal the carbon tax has been defeated in the senate.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-10/live3a-senate-debates-repeal-of-carbon-tax/5587056

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 1:13 pm

  86. egg permalink
    July 10, 2014 1:17 pm

    DD?

  87. July 10, 2014 1:23 pm
  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 1:40 pm

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 1:44 pm

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 1:50 pm

  91. egg permalink
    July 10, 2014 1:59 pm

    Can we talk about the science?

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 2:07 pm

    Ergon and Energex said the changes, which included new rules about installing systems that feed in power, would help them manage the detrimental impact of solar on their power networks…

    Which is why it should not have ANY private (shareholders) companies in the generation of power … it should be a service for the people and owned by the people … the problem with power generation is that it ahs become a profit centre rather than a government utility …

    And for the record we outlaid $7000 for our 4.43 Kw system(s) … I expect a return on my
    investment … to blame the solar owners is misleading in the extreme … I had a 1Kw system for five years … and when the generation tariff was offered along with “it will be ending soon” from all sides – government and suppliers … we took the option of adding 3.3 Kw (it was capped at 5 Kw) …

    Anyone could have borrowed and stopped paying power bills … and paid off their system … as it turns out we made the wrong choice of supplier … down the gurgler – along with any warranty …

    When we do finally go completely off the grid because of increasing prices I suppose that will be our fault too …

    Silly arguments – especially in what has become a capitalist race to the bottom … 90,000 Queensland solar system owners aren’t to blame for the excessive power bills … look elsewhere …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    sreb, when that National Affairs article was written?

    There’ll be no DD but the government is being white-anted left and right – literally!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    not good enough for me, a bit too tosy ‘libertarian’ for my liking

    So, what would you like me to do … ?

    KL, I’ve said this a couple of times in the past …

    if I had my way, every home in the country would be solar powered, have a solar hot water system … that would also develop the light manufacturing industries and provide export value … products, consultancy, technical expertise, training and development …

    … and we would be planning or building two or three Gen IV nuclear reactors in Australia’s unpopulated centre … they run happily on either Thorium … or … uranium (and has a 10% waste compared to older reactors’ 90% waste!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 2:09 pm

    sorry, sreb, just reread … “incoming” is a clue 🙂

  94. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 2:19 pm

    Anyone could have borrowed and stopped paying power bills … and paid off their system

    pensioners, the poor, people who can’t get any credit? Where is their ability to do so?
    It’s only really just become affordable for many people and now they are shifting the goalposts when people attempt to stop being gouged by power companies & govt.

    i’m not blaming you at all TB, just pointing out that many don’t have the option to do what you did, otherwise they would have already.

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 2:42 pm

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 3:04 pm

    Former union boss Paul Howes

    At least Piggy won’t aspire to PM as he thought he would … what a noice company for him to join … never like KPMG … a few people I knew got some “odd” business advice from ’em, during the time I worked for myself …

    … still, like “does” attract like – in business anyway …

    Good riddance to his dabbling in politics I hope …

  97. public toilet permalink
    July 10, 2014 3:06 pm

    Guffaw @ the Abbott government getting shafted…

    And, for the record, this atheist has never set out to convert anyone.

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 3:14 pm

    pensioners, the poor, people who can’t get any credit? Where is their ability to do so?

    KL, there were (still are I think) some solar businesses offering credit and the first year free of payments (to accrue the payment) …

    Or credit unions …

    http://www.sunpower.com.au/homes/how-to-buy/solar-loan/

    And the groups you mention are the very people that an empathetic government with a workable alternative energy program would assist… alas.

  99. public toilet permalink
    July 10, 2014 3:14 pm

    Bolt’s sustained histrionics regarding Palmer, some legitimate…plenty just partisan screeeeeech, doesn’t seem to have helped AbbottCorp very much, thus far.

    Incoming pantywetting at the Herald Sun, to be sure.

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 3:16 pm

    Guffaw @ the Abbott government getting shafted…

    And in every way, every day! Toillette!

    What a well deserved self-serving bunch of arrogant pricks!

  101. July 10, 2014 3:43 pm

    “Can we talk about the science?”

    No we fkn well can not. Now fuck off.

  102. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 3:45 pm

    I think it’s just stalled, while clivey beats his chest but it will pass – that’s the problem 😦

  103. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 3:47 pm

    No we fkn well can not. Now fuck off.

    😆

  104. July 10, 2014 3:47 pm

    BTW, I’ve just come back from my first shopping experience at Aldi.

    Firstly I was disappointed that they dont have hand carry baskets. Secondly when I went to get a trolley it was the type where you have to unlock it with $2, and not having any change I couldn’t get one.

    So “this place is fucked” was my first impression.

    However I was amazed at how cheap things are. I bought the so-called “famous” Corale baked beans that you lot raved about last time, so they’d better be good or you lot are going to cop it.

    I bought a heap of stuff for just $26, plus 15 cents for a plastic bag.

    So overall quite happy.

  105. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 4:04 pm

    so they’d better be good or you lot are going to cop it.

    What’r ya gonna do?

    Post another thread!!

    😆 😆 😆 😆

  106. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 4:06 pm

    Or unlike the back room and release the goog 😯 😉

  107. July 10, 2014 4:07 pm

    Touche Tom…. 😆

  108. July 10, 2014 4:08 pm

    I steered past the wine section, BTW. A cursory glance at the labels and the prices confirmed that it’s a market more aimed at the likes of TB’s tastes…

  109. Inner Sanctimony permalink
    July 10, 2014 4:25 pm

    “I’ve just come back from my first shopping experience at Aldi.”

    I bought an easel there last year. Quite good quality and only $30. I bolted past the baked bean section.

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 4:42 pm

    A cursory glance at the labels and the prices confirmed that it’s a market more aimed at the likes of TB’s tastes…

    And they don’t sell alc in supermarkets in QLD … too many Mexican tourists get pissed and run amok …

    … specially from the state that states “The Place To Be” on their number plates

    If its the place to be, why are most of ’em in sunny Queensland???? 🙂

    Bet them beans don’t come close to Heinz … the Meanz Beanz … 🙂

    Ye bein’ a wee, Glasgay, laddie an’ all …. 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I bought an easel there last year.

    The heat and serve one?

  111. Tony permalink
    July 10, 2014 4:47 pm

    “The heat and serve one?”

    The painting one.

  112. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 5:22 pm

    A painting of an easel?

  113. egg permalink
    July 10, 2014 6:11 pm

    ‘I bought an easel there last year.’

    Their stretched canvas is good value.

  114. TB Queensland permalink
    July 10, 2014 6:18 pm

    Aldi have really noice crochet thread too … lots of colour

  115. July 10, 2014 6:33 pm

    * sanctioned by its own particular version of The jeebus…

  116. July 10, 2014 6:45 pm

    Dancing on the dreams of a polemic pissant…

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/dancing_on_the_grave_of_the_carbon_tax/

    Bolt shoots his too early again…that’s the problem with preconceiving outcomes ideologically prior to coitus…

    Glad to see his Dutch team get done too; yes, that’s right flagsturbators, Herr Bolt supports the Dutch National soccer Football Team over all. He should…go back to where he came from ?…guffaw…@ his lickspittles. He is a loooong way from representing ‘everyman’.

  117. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 6:47 pm

    Note to Abbott: don’t mention the war
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-10/brown-japan-china-dont-mention-the-war/5588022

  118. July 10, 2014 6:51 pm

    Passing strange that Abbott thought that one would go through to the keeper.

    😯

  119. July 10, 2014 6:53 pm

    I seem to recall the hay made by the Coalition with regard to the former ALP (minority) Government having to ‘compromise’ in the Senate.

    Much schadenfreude…so far.

  120. Rusted-on Barracker permalink
    July 10, 2014 7:10 pm

    “Their stretched canvas is good value.”

    So are Officeworks’ (the 2- and 3-packs).

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 7:53 pm

    I seem to recall the hay made by the Coalition with regard to the former ALP (minority) Government having to ‘compromise’ in the Senate.

    yeah, is that yet another lie, didn’t he say he wouldn’t do any deals with minor parties?

    Gillard’s negotiating skills [and the legislation passed by her party] make these ‘adults in charge’ appear as the grubsters that they are.

    Now it’s Tony Abbott’s turn to do ‘dodgy deals’ with minor parties:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/now-its-tony-abbotts-turn-to-do-dodgy-deals-with-minor-parties

    …The chaotic last-minute bargaining in the Senate corridors made the government look like a flock of geese…

    …Well, it is true that Labor and the Greens did their deals over lengthy negotiations in rooms with lots of advisers and lawyers and with the doors closed.

    But that is surely preferable to Thursday when the Senate leader, Eric Abetz, the environment minister, Greg Hunt, manager of government business in the Senate, Mitch Fifield, and their advisers were hammering out the fate of the carbon tax repeal bills with Clive Palmer, his senators and the other crossbenchers in a corridor with a posse of journalists watching.

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 8:00 pm

    so they’d better be good or you lot are going to cop it.

    For a while there I had a bit of an addiction to aldi’s earl grey teabags and their frozen berry streudel. The cleaning products used to be good value but I think aldi’s prices have been rising in line with woolies and coles, they don’t seem to be such good deals anymore.

  123. July 10, 2014 8:02 pm

    TB”””What is it that makes my agnostic stand bother you lot””’

    it doesn`t bother me in the slightest TB, particularly since you explained it yesterday, lt did kick-up some confusion, as the teabag/denier propaganda has been to get the politicians to `claim` the public is agnostic on global warming etc

    (armchair supplied this working example earlier)
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/southern-crossroads/2014/jan/19/australia-john-howard-climate-change-attitudes-polling-agnostics

  124. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 8:20 pm

    Gillard’s negotiating skills [and the legislation passed by her party] make these ‘adults in charge’ appear as the grubsters that they are.

    When will the unhinging begin with our media, instead of them attempting to paint the lipstick on?

  125. July 10, 2014 8:23 pm

    ”””””””””””What about the poor pensioners who can’t afford to get solar panels and are going to be affected by ongoing price rises as the elec companies try to claw back profits when the wealthier go solar and perhaps off the grid?””””””””’

    armchair, while your heart is in the right place, and highly likely correct about price-gouge, folks like me and TB who are aspiring/getting off-grid are not to blame, but the halfwits that committed treason against their states citizens, and privatised the state/community owned power-corp.

    We haven`t seen it in the east-coast media yet, but bio-fuel systems is being keenly sought by not only vehicle makers, but by building developers too, meaning, the minute (say, westfield-shopping centers) can convert/digest waste to a fuel, and power their own equipment/building, they will disconnect from the grid.

    1. Large buildings/westfields already have their own generation and fuel systems in them.

    2. The west-coast started reporting about ””wa Govt fear of grid abandonment””’ back around Nov last year.

  126. Tom R permalink
    July 10, 2014 8:27 pm

    The uncomfortable truth about the unrivalled verity of election 2013 is that the promise to scrap the carbon tax is more costly than was ever explained.

    And that is quite apart from whether its abolition is sound policy – which it clearly is not.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/upper-house-unpredictability-leaves-coalition-stalled-20140709-3bncm.html

    What ” unrivalled verity “?

    more costly than was ever explained.

    Except by the Labor Government of the day. Oh, that’s right, they were just a “chaotic” shambles, why listen to them?

    I didn’t read the rest, but I’ll assume that not once does this muppet ever check the rear view mirror to see if perhaps, just perhaps, him and his brethren are the ones who actually let the voters down?

    which it clearly is not

    I would love to see the link to article he wrote PRIOR to the election pointing all of this out.

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 8:39 pm

    I note that attendance to this is free, even so, can you give this stuff away?

    Then as toilet linked, we had the extreme right personified by cory bernardi raving like the lunatic in the senate re abortion, again *sigh*. They just can’t leave women alone, clutching their rosaries and continually attempting to control women’s bodies through legislation. What is it with these people? Happy to stick already born babies, children and pregnant women behind razor wire yet hysterical about what is going on in another woman’s womb.

    who asked for catholic rule over this country, did I miss the religious campaign?

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 10, 2014 9:10 pm

    I would love to see the link to article he wrote PRIOR to the election pointing all of this out.

    you won’t find anything by the coalition either tomR, every message was that the tax was responsible for all problems and fears. If we axe the tax then everyone will be better off, every price rise and job worry was due to the carbon tax. All we had to do was get rid of it and money would flow to the householder and everyone would live happy ever after!

    Andrew Bolt the latest to apologise over Tony Abbott’s wall punch:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/10/andrew-bolt-the-latest-to-apologise-for-doubting-tony-abbotts-wall-punch

  129. July 10, 2014 9:34 pm

    l just watched a doco on sbs2, it was about `the-pirate-bay` filesharing site, and the Govt/Corp-sponsored panty wetting around it,

    in other news, l heard Washington State `passed` its legislation on `choof`

  130. egg permalink
    July 11, 2014 7:08 am

    Double D feels inevitable..

    ttp://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/clive-palmers-crazy-crusade-leaves-budget-in-tatters-with-further-10-billion-hole-created/story-fni0cx12-1226984936860

  131. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2014 8:06 am

    Double D feels inevitable.

    Except for the uncomfortable fact that tabot is not only a lying shit, but a gutless bully to boot

    It won’t happen.

  132. egg permalink
    July 11, 2014 8:17 am

    You forget he is a political animal, better to die on your feet than spend the next couple of years on your knees.

    Be afraid of a cornered rat.

  133. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2014 8:28 am

    You forget he is a political animal

    He is a gutless bully first and foremost.

    As AO’s link confirms, when will tabot face up to the fact that he physically intimidated a female political opponent. The only time he physically threatened a male political opponent was when the recipient of the bullying was in a wheelchair

    Gutless and a Bully.

    We will see his media mates try and spin this for him, but the fact remains, he has lost so much capital in this, there is really no coming back, unless, as I said, his media mates can find some way to defend him.

    Prepare for some liberal lipstick application by murdochs minions. It should be a prime class in political spin.

  134. Tom R permalink
    July 11, 2014 8:38 am

    At least the non murdoch media aren’t mincing

    But the whole chaotic day would have been less embarrassing if:

    • the prime minister had not already done a pre-emptive media conference hailing the imminent economic unburdening of the nation from the “axing” of the tax.

    • the government had not itself forced through a “gag” motion, which then robbed it of the chance to let the debate continue while the amendment was negotiated.

    • the prime minister had not told voters before the election that they were choosing between the “strong Coalition team” and “more of the same chaos and confusion under Labor”.

    • if he hadn’t been so derisive of the Labor’s governments negotiations with minor parties.

    Now, like any government that does not command a majority in both houses, Abbott and his team have to do deals and make concessions. Apparently that isn’t “dodgy” any more, but – like deals with minor parties always are – just a reality of the political system.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/now-its-tony-abbotts-turn-to-do-dodgy-deals-with-minor-parties

    Although lenore, I would love to see your column pre-election loudly declaring that doing deals amongst political parties is actually how our system works, rather than just going along with the meme of the time about “dodgy deals”.

    Too little, too late.

  135. egg permalink
    July 11, 2014 10:37 am

    ‘A Double Dissolution would be a significant risk for Abbott, and might even result in his party losing control of the Australian House of Representatives.’

    Eric Worrall

  136. July 12, 2014 2:39 am

    ””’I steered past the wine section””’

    l don`t drink wine (very rarely spirits) so l can`t advise on`em, other than other folks seem to reckon they`re good (but ya`have to decide for ya`self) the only booze l tried was a beer at a friends house, when they first started selling booze, it was good, a similar to a standard toohey-new or carlton,

    l`ve been trying their stuff since they opened, haven`t come across anything terrible, sure, if ya don`t like `red-wine`, then won`t like theirs either, but don`t confuse yourself with the `price` element, aldi stuff isn`t the `total-crap` the woolies/coles duopoly have tried to peddle in the past, good luck with your shopping 🙂

  137. July 12, 2014 2:44 am

    Yeah dumpty, and what makes this

    ””’Eric Worrall””’ critter worth quoting.?

    (Could it be that he`s one of your co-paid-to-troll-workmates.?)

  138. egg permalink
    July 12, 2014 7:37 am

    This may come as a shock to you bagz, you have nothing upstairs worth salvaging.

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 2:01 pm

    ””’Eric Worrall””’ critter worth quoting.?

    yeah egg, it would be nice if you dropped a link to what you selectively quote, so that we might all check it out for ourselves, otherwise I have to assume that it is just another of your denier tactics pulled out of your overflowing bag of tricks.

    and no, I don’t care to go out back.

    Is it this eric worrall?

    https://uknowispeaksense.wordpress.com/tag/eric-worrall/

    …The people who frequent the excellent Watching the Denier’s blog are familiar with the class clown, Eric Worrall. He is …… nevermind. Let’s just say that out of the top 100 denier memes featured over at SkepticalScience, he has so far uttered about 65 of them…

    http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/03/wuwt-denier-is-horrified-by-opinions.html

    Anthony’s took the day off so he allowed one of the nuttier nutters to run the nuthouse at wattsupwiththat. Eric Worrall has posted an article at WUWT (archived here).

    http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2014/03/occams-razor-sez-eric-worral-is-science.html

    I haven’t even found the source of your quote egg, does it come from the much discredited house of humour WUWT?

    paul krugman on the deniers
    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/09/paul_krugman_calls_out_the_toxic_nonsense_of_climate_deniers/

  140. egg permalink
    July 12, 2014 3:05 pm

    I cannot say, there is an embargo on this discussion, although what he had to say sounds reasonable. Abbott is naturally reluctant to go to the people now, but after the G20 meeting he would be more willing.

  141. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2014 4:18 pm

    Abbott is naturally reluctant to go to the people now

    Then why was he bragging about doing it just weeks ago?

    Like I said, a gutless bully. All dick, no balls.

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 5:01 pm

    is this the cavalry cometh and bugle a blowing or damning with faint praise or both?

    Time for Tony Abbott to commune with his people:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/time-for-tony-abbott-to-commune-with-his-people/story-e6frg71x-1226986213926

  143. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 5:13 pm

    …Like I said, a gutless bully. All dick, no balls…

    can’t you see them swinging tomR?

    I had a laugh to myself this pm as I was waking after night shift. Put the radio on and news report had abbott on, blaming not clivey or their bad negotiating but bill shorten for the senate debacle! truly, madly, deeply, tea bag stuff if ever I’ve heard it!

  144. egg permalink
    July 12, 2014 5:43 pm

    ‘Like I said, a gutless bully. All dick, no balls.’

    Abbott is pragmatic and needs to get the Coalition in winning mode, which won’t be possible before the G20 meeting.

    On the other hand if the carbon tax repeal bill is rejected a third time its possible a DD will come on straight away.

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 6:32 pm

    there is definitely much more to senator ricky muir.

    Senator Ricky Muir and the balance of horsepower:
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/07/12/senator-ricky-muir-and-the-balance-horsepower/1405087200#.U8DsL_na6Sp

    …“It’s a fantastic job, isn’t it?” the Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party senator says in his new and as-yet unadorned parliamentary office. “I’ve always had a keen interest in renewables, as far back as I can remember. Every kid is born a scientist. You run water through a wheel and see it spinning and wonder ‘Can it generate power in some way?’”…

    …In his office, Muir is reflecting on what it’s like to be unemployed, to scrimp and save to pay the bills, to forgo new tyres on the car in order to make a mortgage payment.

    He was out of work when he was elected, after losing his job during a downturn at the sawmill where he was employed. “I lost my job. The election happened. The media made me look like some kind of unemployed bogan, I suppose, and then I was back into work. It was only a little period,” he says…

  146. July 12, 2014 6:47 pm

    Very interesting, KL.

    Curiouser & curiouser.

    Serves me right for taking the smear & rearguard defence from the disseminating arms of Monopolised Power Archetypes at face value. I should, and do, know better by now.

    Fuck duopolistic quo.

  147. Go Ricky permalink
    July 12, 2014 7:27 pm

    So, Ricky Muir is the latest speed-hump to get favourable treatment from leftist media. (Until such time as he votes for some Abbott policy or other. Then he’ll be either ignored or ridiculed. Sooo predictable)

    #teomeimf

  148. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2014 7:37 pm

    favourable treatment from leftist media

    Why is the Saturday Paper “leftist”?

    I thought they were kind “centrist”

  149. Bullseye permalink
    July 12, 2014 7:54 pm

    ‘Why is the Saturday Paper “leftist”?’

    Hmm, let’s see what the publisher says about its target readership.

    “Schwartz has said the paper will have an initial distribution of 100,000 copies, a cover price of $3, and will target 30- and 40-something inner-city dwellers.”

    You work it out.

  150. Tom R permalink
    July 12, 2014 8:14 pm

    Is there a study that says inner city people lean to the left, or are you relying on an internet meme?

    Because a lot of conservative workers I know have their apartments there, to be “close to the action” (whatever that may be).

    Just sayin’ 😉

  151. Meme, myself, and aye permalink
    July 12, 2014 8:27 pm

    “Is there a study that says inner city people lean to the left, or are you relying on an internet meme?”

    Yes. The Federal Election.

    http://results.aec.gov.au/17496/Website/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-17496-149.htm

    http://results.aec.gov.au/17496/Website/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-17496-228.htm

    http://results.aec.gov.au/17496/Website/HouseDivisionFirstPrefs-17496-101.htm

    The Saturday Paper is distributed in Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-01/new-weekly-paper-hits-stands/5292578

  152. Snack Time permalink
    July 12, 2014 8:49 pm

    “because a lot of conservative workers I know have their apartments there”

    #TomR’sMates

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 8:56 pm

    (Until such time as he votes for some Abbott policy or other.

    tut tut, so cynical, i don’t really do the “you’re either with me or you’re against me” partisan plays, that’s the conservative way .

    he already has aligned himself with abbott policy, he’s voting for the carbon tax remember. I don’t see him as any kind of lefty hero at all. perhaps he might show some independence from the vested interests, that could be a refreshing change.

  154. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:01 pm

    *for the carbon tax repeal*

  155. Remember The Future permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:08 pm

    “he’s voting for the carbon tax remember”

    I remember otherwise.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/ricky-muir-votes-with-labor-greens-to-stop-carbon-tax-repeal-vote/story-fncynjr2-1226982745566

    Or, are you remembering how he may or may not vote some time in the future?

  156. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:14 pm

    well, those AEC stats were quick to hand, anything you want to tell us re party political employment or affiliation 😆

    so you should only buy the paper if you are a greens voter?? I’d hardly call labor left. What if we just like good quality journalism? What if we have a hunger for it after a diet of saturation murdoch rubbish.
    Are there no inner city liberals at all, what about turnbull etc?

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:20 pm

    yes I am, he wanted an amendment to it and he’s already made a compromise deal with clive on that, he has not shown himself to be against the repeal, he’s just doing some bartering around the edges.

  158. Apparatchik permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:22 pm

    “well, those AEC stats were quick to hand, anything you want to tell us re party political employment or affiliation”

    Erm, no. Try googling “election results, melbourne” (or sydney, or canberra) and see what you get.

  159. egg permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:31 pm

    ‘he has not shown himself to be against the repeal’

    No.

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:33 pm

    I couldn’t be bothered!

    from your link

    …The 32-page paper, bankrolled by Melbourne publisher and property developer Morry Schwartz, will be launched by Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull in Sydney tonight…

    launched by a senior liberal?? does he realise he shouldn’t be associated?

    and

    …‘’We’re not everything to everyone. We know who the reader is: the reader is me,’’ Schwartz told Fairfax…

    i’m not even sure what that means!

  161. Where's The centre permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:35 pm

    “I’d hardly call labor left.”

    What of other members of this organisation, “the worldwide organisation of social democratic, socialist and labour parties”? S’pose you’d hardly call them left, too?

  162. Don't Bother permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:38 pm

    “I couldn’t be bothered!”

    I know, googling is hard. Making stuff up is much easier.

  163. egg permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:50 pm

    Mr Abbott said key infrastructure projects could not happen if the federal government was forced to work with a Labor state government in Queensland.

    “Only a coalition government in Canberra will work with a coalition government in Brisbane to move the people and the goods of Queensland around this great state,” he told the party faithful. “You can’t trust Labor to build roads because they’re in alliance with the Greens.

    “They are the obstacles to progress, they are the enemies of progress.

    “If you want to build the roads of the future, you have one friend, and that’s the coalition.”

    AAP

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 9:59 pm

    …I know, googling is hard. Making stuff up is much easier.

    well when ricky muir votes against the repeal of the carbon tax I’ll be sure to say that you were on to him!

    why debate anything of substance when you can just get it bogged down with meaningless semantics.

    The Socialist International is the worldwide organisation of social democratic, socialist and labour parties. It currently brings together 168 political parties and organisations from all continents. (List of members in full)

    What are you trying to say? They look to be clearly defined between the three different groups socialist, social democratic AND labour. Not a one size fits all.

    oh i see labor =socialist=left, yet that is not actually so is it?

    that might fly if labor policies in practice were anything like socialist policies, which clearly they have not been for years.

  165. Show Me The Way permalink
    July 12, 2014 10:06 pm

    “why debate anything of substance when you can just get it bogged down with meaningless semantics”

    You’d prefer substantial debate like “anything you want to tell us re party political employment or affiliation”? I see.

  166. Leftoid Denialati permalink
    July 12, 2014 10:10 pm

    When you deny Labor is a party of the left, you’ve run out of arguments.

  167. Meta permalink
    July 12, 2014 10:41 pm

    (Theoretically, anyone and everyone selected, for whatever reason, as being on the wrong-side of the righteous self, nominally to be conserved, is and/or isn’t what’s left; and, a reasonable person probably would keep a running list of all those publishers and published views warranting a firm, fair, and balanced editorial response when liberally presenting/presented with grist-to-the-mill argument(s). Or, so I’m almost led to believe.)

  168. July 12, 2014 10:53 pm

    I think egg must be Yoking again 🙂

    If political legacy is measured in actuals bills of completed legislation, which is also a measure of how a effective a government is in its service to all the electorate.. at his mob are a fucking joke… How many pieces of legislation did Gillards Minority government pass, described as shambolic by the heard of halfwit hacks? You teabaggers must be sitting back with a sore ass and a rowey headache with your dignity around your ankles looking into an empty wallet… thinking what the fuck have I done? Well all except for Egg his already delusional as a groupie on Monktons speaking tour.

  169. July 12, 2014 10:57 pm

    When a teabag runs out of arguments they assert the ALP is of th left..its a standard go to for the desperate factless fucktard..

  170. Meta permalink
    July 12, 2014 10:59 pm

    (Here’s another random/trivial question: why is the human retina capable of distinguishing more shades of green on the visible wavelength spectrum than any other colour if it’s all just the same-same grue-bleen in aggregate?

    ————————

    Of course, el g, if Queenslanders don’t or don’t want to re-elect Premier Newman and/or want a new best friend’s Roads of the 21st Century, then they will have burnt a new best friend, the bestest new friend they (n)ever had, a new best friend who says he can’t or won’t work with a non-Coalition government to deliver a better future for Queensland and Australia; and that would be a distinct pity for now-and-then friended and/or friendless Queenslanders; and so it goes: be friended, very friended is the obvious and only real choice. Perhaps.)

  171. July 12, 2014 10:59 pm

    yeah armchair, worrell is the resident `dumpty` at

    http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/saving-the-great-barrier-reef-is-it-in-our-own-self-interest/

    (if not dumpty) that sings the identical songs #SameSongBook

  172. Comrade Central permalink
    July 12, 2014 11:06 pm

    Now, ALP rusted-ons deny their party’s leftism – in order to disassociate themselves from the left’s shameful past. Once, however, they would have been proudly part of the (come-the) revolution.

    Pathetic.

  173. July 12, 2014 11:07 pm

    ”””When you deny Labor is a party of the left”””

    really Tinfoil`osy.? really.?

    You make the mistake as an obedient useful unit of the ipa bolt-borg-blog hivemind, that those that oppose and criticize your hive are an equally obedient hive too. #WRONG

  174. Nothing Left permalink
    July 12, 2014 11:20 pm

    It’s interesting, though.

    Leftoid/progressive/social-democrat/socialist/collectivist/commo/pinkos no longer wish to be known as leftists.Nobody on this blog will admit to being a lefty any more.

    Score a point in the culture wars to the teabag/tory/right-wing nutjob/death-beasts.

  175. July 12, 2014 11:29 pm

    This blog is full of delusional people taking hallucinogenic drugs on hate trips tonight ..I’m goin back to watch Bashee.. Ive better things to do than read factless fucktardery from flacid fiberal fools fibrillating fictitiously over fucking reds under the beds. what a tedious tiresome bore 🙄

  176. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 11:31 pm

    When you deny Labor is a party of the left, you’ve run out of arguments.

    you never had one to begin with.

    you thought you would attack the man and not the ball. You quickly sidestepped any substance in the article, made no mention of ricky muir, the subject of it and what the conversation was about, you just launched some partisan suppositions about the paper and it’s readers, some denigration re ‘lefties’, as if that negates everything 🙄

    And yes, I do deny labor as it currently exists is a party of the left. I think their politics are of the centre, if not central right. They might be to the left…of the liberals, but that is entirely another story. The liberals are so barking mad extreme teabag right now that they make even the centre look left. The greens are only centre left, not quite the commies you imagine.

  177. July 12, 2014 11:33 pm

    well Tinfoil`osy, you don`t seem to pay attention do you.?

    many a time l`ve referred to the alp as teabag-lite, and regularly moan about the `duopoly` (as-have-others) you may have recognized some of often said #Go-Watermelon and also say #Go-Clive,

    Let`s face it Tinfoil`osy, many of us will enjoy Clives pups cocking their leg on mr-rabbits political slippers 🙂

  178. Right Hand Drive permalink
    July 12, 2014 11:40 pm

    Nobody wants to be a lefty any more?

  179. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 11:55 pm

    sb, i’m not a labor voter, it is not my party, I don’t know how many times I have to say that. You just don’t listen, too busy with the left vs right schtick. It really becomes pointless.

    Nobody on this blog will admit to being a lefty any more.

    No-one has to, certainly not because you have a need to define people by that archaic terminology, stuck in the 1950’s with joe mccarthy and bob santamaria and that’s where you want the country to remain.

    you can award yourself some kind of victory over meaningless point scoring if you like, but you’ve actually said nothing worthwhile,

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 12, 2014 11:58 pm

    sorry sb, i attributed tony’s words to you, thought i saw your moniker.

  181. July 13, 2014 12:11 am

    The liberals are so barking mad extreme teabag right now that they make even the centre look left.

    Thank you sweetie..I thought it was just me 🙂 ..This government calls anytone a micron wafer thin smidge from a KKK teaparty at a NRA sanctioned lynching during a sermon sponsored by Merrill Lynch… a radical leftist leftoid commo…. pathetic right wing teabagging religious radicals.

    well Tinfoil`osy, you don`t seem to pay seek attention do you.?

    Undoubtedly.. don’t it show?

    Let`s face it Tinfoil`osy, many of us will enjoy Clives pups cocking their leg on mr-rabbits political slippers

    payin that LOL

  182. Pulling To The Left permalink
    July 13, 2014 12:12 am

    So.

    In the contest of ideas we have only one side: the boltoid/teabagger/tory/RWDB/wingnuts.

    There is no other side. Just a mythical neutral sensible centre.

    Guffaw!

  183. Big Bong Theory permalink
    July 13, 2014 12:24 am

    Me, I’ll admit it. I’m a wingnut.

    I’m so far to the right I believe in drug legalisation.

  184. July 13, 2014 12:31 am

    ”””””””””””’Muir is reflecting on what it’s like to be unemployed, to scrimp and save to pay the bills, to forgo”””””””””””’

    ””””””””in order to make a mortgage payment.”””””””

    ”””””””’He was out of work when he was elected, after losing his job during a downturn at the sawmill where he was employed. “I lost my job.””””””’

    ””””””””’and then I was back into work. It was only a little period,” he says.””””””

    ”””””””’Throughout his working life, Muir has moved from one manual job to the next,””””””

    ”””producing upholstery for cars for seven years, working on farms and, most recently, in sawmills. He became manager in one mill and was a union representative in another.””’

    ””””””’with willingness to roll up his sleeves. “I just get in there and get my hands dirty,” he says.”””””””

    ”””””””’He’s never been out of work for long and it’s a point of pride with him that he has never claimed the dole, always managing to budget for the lean periods and live off savings.”””””””””’

    ”””””””””’Muir hints that these experiences will influence his approach to policy, expressing empathy for those who would be vulnerable to budget measures that would withhold support from unemployed youth for six months.”””””””””’

    ””””””’There’s a lot of concern around this budget. I’m certainly one person who’s been there, done that. I’ve been unemployed.”””””””””

    ”””””””’I’ve lived at the low- to middle-income level,” he says. “If I was not in this situation and was under 30 and were to lose my job for any reason, I’d be very worried.

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/07/12/senator-ricky-muir-and-the-balance-horsepower/1405087200#.U8DsL_na6Sp
    ””””””””””””””””””””’
    #Go-Muir

  185. Shut Up They Explained permalink
    July 13, 2014 12:37 am

    I’m also a free-speech extremist nutjob, who believes speech shouldn’t be illegal.

    #sticksandstones.

  186. Go Team permalink
    July 13, 2014 12:39 am

    #goclive and #goricky

    Until, that is, their political expediency expires.

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 12:55 am

    “The liberals are so barking mad extreme teabag right now that they make even the centre look left.

    The Liberals look like big spending socialists to me. Not too sure why you say they are right-wing.

  188. July 13, 2014 1:02 am

    ””””””””””””’An Australian preacher awaiting deportation in a Philippines jail has “street cred” that appeals to youths looking to join overseas conflicts, according to an expert from Monash University.

    Melbourne-born Musa Cerantonio was arrested on Friday in the central Philippines city of Lapu-Lapu before being taken to Manila, where he is awaiting deportation.

    The 29-year-old, who has been described as “an inspiration” to jihadists worldwide, has emerged as one of the most popular and influential online preachers supporting the jihad in Iraq and Syria.

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-12/australian-preacher-uses-street-cred-to-enlist-young-jihadists/5592034
    ””””””””””””””””’

    .

    (Tinfoil`osy)”””””””””””””’I’m also a free-speech extremist nutjob, who believes speech shouldn’t be illegal. #sticksandstones.”””””””””””””’

    Yes, l believe you Tinfoil`osy, and l look forward to your rigorous defense of Musa Cerantonio`s free-hate-speech, which l`m sure will be as rigorous as your defense of bolts free-hate-speech.

  189. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2014 1:28 am

    here we go, here’s something we can all be happy about, hope he’s feeling better.

    http://m.smh.com.au/sport/swimming/ian-thorpe-acknowledges-hes-gay-lets-hope-hes-now-happy-as-well-20140713-zt5rm.html?skin=dumb-phone

  190. July 13, 2014 1:56 am

    #gay-thorpe

    l hope he`s happy and doesn`t get bugged too much about it, but l suspect the Limited-News hivemind blogs will be shit-stirring about it, particularly `lying` in his book, as it will be `painted` anyway, mandy-d will probably froth about rogering gerbils and dog-botherer `concerns` over other peoples crotches #teabags

  191. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 7:43 am

    ‘Well all except for Egg his already delusional as a groupie on Monktons speaking tour.’

    I cannot retaliate because of the gag order, but if you would care to step out the back ….

  192. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 7:53 am

    ‘a new best friend who says he can’t or won’t work with a non-Coalition government to deliver a better future for Queensland and Australia’

    Political gamesmanship, Abbott has his infrastructure hat on and is trying it out for size. Of course he will work with a leftoid state guvmint, after all, Qld is still part of Oz.

  193. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 8:02 am

    ‘The liberals are so barking mad extreme teabag right now that they make even the centre look left. The greens are only centre left, not quite the commies you imagine.’

    In reality Labor is centre left and the Coalition is centre right, while the Greens are watermelons, the new communists.

  194. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 8:10 am

    ‘you can award yourself some kind of victory over meaningless point scoring if you like, but you’ve actually said nothing worthwhile’

    I strongly disagree, Tony clearly elucidated what the left think. The left is in denial about their origins, but are happy to slander the Abbott government as fascists.

  195. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 8:22 am

    ‘I’m so far to the right I believe in drug legalisation.’

    Drug law reform is a typical right wing tactic, all they are thinking about is this great new tax resource which would be price inelastic.

    These rightards don’t give a toss about the empty gaol cells and the huge loss of employment in the prison system and police force.

  196. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 9:03 am

    Yes. The Federal Election.

    ROFL. Apart from Melbourne (at the last election at least, who got a whopping jump away from Labor) it looks to be a pretty even spread 😯

    Does that mean that not of the right means Left ❓

    When you deny Labor is a party of the left, you’ve run out of arguments.

    Wow, just recently, the argument was you couldn’t see between Labor and the Libs. Labor haven’t been “Left” for decades. As AO said, centrist, which, as I pointed out, to some, automatically means “teh Left” 😉

    In reality Labor is centre left and the Coalition is centre right, while the Greens are watermelons, the new communists.

    The argument could be made centre left or centre right, depending on the particular policy area. You cannot describe their asylum seeker “policy” as left? And their economic one is fairly well split down the middle.

    It is an argument da right play, as they move further to the right, then what was called “centrist” years ago has now become, to them at least, “left”

    Sorry, but, even going on those results, inner city seems to be pretty centrist, unless you adhere to the rule of “not right = left”

    It is the same way they label theirabc. If it isn’t to the right of murdoch, it is, by their definition, lefty.

    And then allows anything written therein to be labelled “a lefty rag”, and dismissed out of hand.

    Well, sorry, I reject that, it is newpaper, aimed at people with a very wide spread of views, so is centrist.

    Rags like “The Socialist Alternative” etc are “teh left”. Don’t try and lump every paper that is not murdoch as leftist. The middle ground covers a lot of area. Cope with it.

  197. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 9:54 am

    ‘You cannot describe their asylum seeker “policy” as left?’

    Good point, the issue was once bipartisan so its hard to judge. My colleague Neil should have an answer.

  198. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 9:57 am

    Another “lefty rag” on muir

    Ricky Muir is moving out of the shadow of Clive Palmer, describing his agreement with the Palmer United Party as nothing more than a ”loose alliance” and warning the government not to assume he will vote with PUP.

    The Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party senator’s claim to independence provides another headache for the Coalition, which will attempt for a third time on Monday or Tuesday to corral a chaotic crossbench into voting to abolish the carbon tax.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/after-a-week-of-clive-muir-ready-to-rev-up-20140712-3btrs.html

    I do like the way that even “lefty rags” describe ANYBODY who is not noalition as “chaotic”

    It seems to be one thing left and right can agree on 😉

  199. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:00 am

    Speaking of “Chaotic”, how far is the budget in defecit now? Not well, according to the much respected (?) Kouk 🙂

    The Abbott government is making the bottom line of the budget worse with its spending spree on parental leave, roads and the medical research fund while killing two key revenue sources with the mining tax and carbon price set to go. Its limp lettuce negotiations with the minor parties in the Senate are only making matters worse for the bottom line.

    http://thekouk.com/blog/gross-government-debt-hits-323-billion.html#.U8Gl2fmSyk8

  200. Leftoid Shame permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:03 am

    Rusted-on barrackers are desperate to claim the term “centrist”, in direct denial of Labor’s history and founding principles.

    “The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields … commitment to and participation in the international democratic socialist movement as represented by the Socialist International”

  201. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:05 am

    lol

    tabot’s here at the Gutter 🙂

  202. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:08 am

    The greatest uncertainty is with the rejection of DAP by the pups, leaving Australian free and clear of any further folly. What I’m suggesting is that Abbott won’t fight for DAP because its only a sop.

  203. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:12 am

    in direct denial of Labor’s history and founding principles.

    When was it “founded” tosy?

  204. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:17 am

    Perhaps you should measure them in what they are today

    http://www.alp.org.au/what_we_re_for

    More specifically, their economic policy agenda

    http://ministers.treasury.gov.au/DisplayDocs.aspx?doc=pressreleases/2013/016.htm&pageID=003&min=cebb&Year=&DocType=

  205. Go Team permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:17 am

    What, your google not working? (Or are you trying to win some semantic point?)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Labor_Party#History

  206. July 13, 2014 10:21 am

    I think you people need a compass… The neoconservative right teabag religious right has control of the Fiberals… the moderate “Malcolm in the middle” was a director partner at Goldman Sachs FFS..get a fucking grip..

    The Squeal Troll from Abbotts Dog Squad predictably can’t even see that they are neocon radical right? then repeats 1 mantra off his list from propaganda central.
    Abbott has never since Uni been centrist.. he’s a right wing radical always has been.

    The ALP is still controlled by the right liberal light and the greens are still 2/3 radical left …

    I am a centrist (centre left) I am a political realist.. My stick is well and truly in the sand i the middle and its franky very fucking lonely here..its like Brisbane..every says they go or have been there but its empty.

    Egg… Are we are gonna read in the paper that you are Monktons Gay lover? Its OK we know consistent denial can make you say things that may seem a trifle unhinged and irrationally delusional.

  207. Meta permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:21 am

    (It defo needs sum muzak.)

  208. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:27 am

    Google works fine

    It found this 😉

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History

  209. Left Is Right permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:27 am

    Labor is a democratic socialist party. It’s right there in their constitution.

    “democratic socialists seek to replace capitalism with a socialist economic system, arguing that any attempt to “humanize” capitalism through regulations and welfare policies would distort the market and create economic contradictions”

  210. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:28 am

    he greens are still 2/3 radical left …,/i>

    Hard to disagree with that, except the percentage might even be higher.

  211. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:29 am

    “Not well, according to the much respected (?) Kouk”

    You knew that would get me going. Koukoulas is the most deceitful person i have ever read.

    I see Labor is opposing $40B in budget savings. Labor cannot even support a minor reduction in spending. It is not in the DNA of the ALP to control spending.

    In 13 years of Hawke/Keating and six years of Rudd/Gillard the ALP produced only 3 surplus budgets in 19 years.

    Spend, spend, spend and buying votes is the ALP way. The ALP really knows how to make out they really care for people when they just use people for political gain.

  212. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:32 am

    I’d rather take the clarification of what they call a democratic socialist party

    Objectives 2. The Australian Labor Party is a democratic socialist party and has the objective of the democratic socialisation of industry, production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields.

    context I think they call it

  213. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:33 am

    I mean, “The Liberals” ffs 😆

  214. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:38 am

    ‘Are we are gonna read in the paper that you are Monktons Gay lover?’

    You have overstepped the mark, on this issue I cannot confirm or deny.

  215. Left Right Out permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:38 am

    I’d rather take the clarification of what they call a democratic socialist party

    Okay, let’s use their definition. The point is democratic socialism is undeniably a leftist ideology. Which won’t stop you denying it. 😉

  216. public toilet permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:54 am

    Guffaw @ the Hitlerwasaleftist movement, now seeking to impose absolutes in Australian contemporary politics…

  217. public toilet permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:58 am

    North Korea claims to be ‘democratic’ too.

    I suppose (ultra conservative) Islamofascism is leftism too? Not rightwing.

  218. Absolutely permalink
    July 13, 2014 11:00 am

    “seeking to impose absolutes”

    If presenting facts supported by documentary evidence is “imposing absolutes”, then yes.

  219. July 13, 2014 11:02 am

    Labor is a democratic socialist party

    As a member of the ALP for over 30 years (still financial even though I would rather listen to Squeal recite his 3 touchpoints infinitum than attend a branch meeting) I can state categorically it is unquestionably not Socialist and within its fundamental structure far from democratic where like the Fiberals power lies in a factional divide that hold the numbers in a block excluding the majority. The socialism of the Labor party like the fucktards claiming to be “centrist” is just lip service sloganism… very few socialist “left” in the ALP i’m afraid.

  220. Just The Facts permalink
    July 13, 2014 11:03 am

    “North Korea claims to be ‘democratic’ too.”

    That’s nice. Labor claims to be – and is – a democratic socialist party. Is democratic socialism a leftist ideology, or not?

  221. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 11:13 am

    to the extent necessary to eliminate exploitation and other anti-social features in these fields.

    So, they claim to be leftist, except when they are rightist.

    Another name might be centrist 😯

  222. public toilet permalink
    July 13, 2014 11:17 am

    Hmmm, I’d prefer to judge them on what they do, rather than some intangible mission statement.
    IMO, not too much of what the ALP does is radically socialist at all.

    I can see why the Greens, comparative to the Big Two, are deemed ‘leftist’.

    But Labor supports a myriad of positions which occupy centre right fetish. Asylum seekers, faux-free trade agreements etc.

    It’s almost as if you can’t conceive that cynical political Partys could claim one thing while enacting another?

    It’s not surprising that US conservative politics enthusiasts would see something like universal healthcare as ‘socialism’, but in our context it’d still be just ‘universal healthcare’.

  223. Words Have Meanings permalink
    July 13, 2014 11:21 am

    “some intangible mission statement”

    You mean their constitution.

  224. Meta permalink
    July 13, 2014 11:38 am

    (Sigh. So many alleged socialists, so little time to criticize them all.)

  225. public toilet permalink
    July 13, 2014 11:54 am

    Meanings are subject to interpretation & can vary with context.

  226. On target permalink
    July 13, 2014 12:13 pm

    “ROFL. Apart from Melbourne (at the last election at least, who got a whopping jump away from Labor) it looks to be a pretty even spread :shock:”

    Melbourne: Labor/Greens 69.22% of the electorate
    Sydney: Labor/Greens 63.36%
    Camberra: Labor Greens 53.73%

    This is the readership Schwartz is targeting. Left-leaning, I’d say.

  227. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2014 12:36 pm

    I do like the way that even “lefty rags” describe ANYBODY who is not noalition as “chaotic”

    That is their bread & butter.

    With not a hint of a redface after we went through 3+ yrs of organised calamity and chaos caused by coalition juvenile politics where abbott was seen as an ‘effective destroyer’ while he showed no respect for parliament and it’s traditions. but that’s OK, ‘cos it was a girl and he was furious.

    One day of the senate not rubber stamping something, ie doing their job and it is a shambles and chaos which tony abbott now says is completely normal, but anyway, it’s all shortens fault.

    It’s the contortionist party, twisting turning and bending every which way!

    Also, where are the papers with their bold headlines reminding us and abbott of his promise “no government I lead will do any dodgy deals with minor parties and independents”

  228. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 1:03 pm

    “no government I lead will do any dodgy deals with minor parties and independents”

    Man you people are dishonest. Have you no shame??

    Abbott said he would do no deals with minor parties to form govt. And he didn’t. Of course he will have to make deals with minor parties to get legislation through.

    One thing i have noticed with Labor/Greens supporters is that you tell falsehoods that is why i do not believe anything a Green/ALP supporter says.

  229. Meta permalink
    July 13, 2014 1:21 pm

    (As I vaguely recall, and as inferential precedent, TAbbott is said to have said that he’s okay with anything up to giving serious consideration to selling his arse; but, then again, that was in the context of an uncomfortable homophobe’s negotiations with someone who might have and maybe did form minority government with an openly gay Bob Brown’s party members and with Bob Brown’s bitch’s party members, too; so, honestly, I can’t really tell what TAbbott would or wouldn’t do or say behind closed doors or in the broader context of public signallings with maybe-we’ll-see-salt-of-the-earth-friendly-types to secure passage.)

  230. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 1:31 pm

    Wow just another nasty comment adding nothing to the debate.

    It i also another reason why i do not believe anything a ALP/Greens supporter says.

    People full of hate and nastiness only tell falsehoods. After all these years i cannot understand the hate that comes from the left of politics.

  231. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 1:32 pm

    What?

  232. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 1:37 pm

    Importantly the frustration and anger the left feel with this democracy thingy is palpable.

  233. public toilet permalink
    July 13, 2014 1:46 pm

    What meta said wasn’t nasty & was definitely relevant to your preceding commentary, Neil.

    Your ability to remember what Abbott has & hasn’t said in the past is questionable.

  234. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2014 1:47 pm

    It i also another reason why i do not believe anything a ALP/Greens supporter says.

    i don’t think they care what you believe, they know that your brain is a wasteland.

  235. public toilet permalink
    July 13, 2014 1:52 pm

    And yet, the very same inane snark could be levelled at the right regarding the previous government & Senate, el Gordo.
    Witness the reflexive anti-democratic ignorance & stupidity of multitudes of rightwing commenters in their dens when Palmer usurped Abbott’s prematurely spent feelgood moment with ‘axing the tax’ mere days ago.

    Ignorant, emotive stupidity isn’t the exclusive domain of any single side (except maybe persuasions of godbotherers).

  236. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 1:59 pm

    AO

    Abbott said he would do no deals with minor parties and independents to FORM govt. I guess he saw what happened with Gillard having to give Oakshot and Windsor all sorts of things to form govt.

    He never said he would never deal with minor parties if he won govt.

  237. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2014 2:03 pm

    neil’s version of bolt doesn’t land a blow on meta, his orbit is in apoapsis to him.

  238. public toilet permalink
    July 13, 2014 2:12 pm

    Clearly, bolt’s rearguard hairsplitting has germinated in impressionable vacant minds.

  239. July 13, 2014 2:23 pm

    Man you people are dishonest. Have you no shame??
    Abbott said he would do no deals with minor parties to form govt. And he didn’t. Of course he will have to make deals with minor parties to get legislation through.
    One thing i have noticed with Labor/Greens supporters is that you tell falsehoods that is why i do not believe anything a Green/ALP supporter says.

    I;m getting pretty fucking sick of your lying squeal troll wingnut ..as usual you are fucking wrong…. Abbott talked continually about deals..not in relation to forming government..in fact he used this phrase..about 1000 times during the campaign as some type of measure of his credibility…so hows that working out for you fucktard? He actually implied that dealing with independents and minor parties is a show of weakness and being beholden to minorities..which is why he is such a ineffective disgrace to the office, he does not understand democracy… What a low troll you are , you cant even believe what your great leader tells you.. I know way more about Abbott than you will ever know which is why I find him a disgraceful lying neocon ideologist megalomaniac painted as a moderate…. He cant even admit to his past like hitting a wall to intimidate a female? what a fucking lying disgrace…. but go right ahead you stick up for this “great man” you so admire.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/now-its-tony-abbotts-turn-to-do-dodgy-deals-with-minor-parties

    Wow just another nasty comment adding nothing to the debate.
    It i also another reason why i do not believe anything a ALP/Greens supporter says.
    People full of hate and nastiness only tell falsehoods. After all these years i cannot understand the hate that comes from the left of politics.

    Te utter gall of this fucktard… a political pygmy quoting lies all day long , pretty much gravitating around , keating, howard, debt planes and fuck all else talks about adding nothing to debate? Take your own advice you nasty little belligerent piece of lying fiberal spittle….stay on topic of fuck off

    The most credible man in politics discussing the most discredited man in politics in discussing offering his anus for high office

  240. July 13, 2014 2:33 pm

    Sorry bout the caps missing > 😦 AO The squeal aldi plonk troll’s lies actually validate his comments… Abbott said this a gazillion times as he does all the time.. he gets a point and repeats inanely like the imbecilic moron he is ..pretty much like The squeal aldi plonk troll’s..then tries to weasel out of it…. he will say anything, he lies are pathological. Its standard fare for these liars……

  241. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 2:40 pm

    Like I said, ALP/Greens voters are nasty people. That is why most of their policies fail. And Windsor is another man i would not trust. Windsor is a man full of hate also. If Windsor had any honesty which he does not he should have stood as an ALP candidate but he was too gutless to do this.

    Abbott did say before the election he would not do deals with minor parties to form govt and he didn’t. How could he possibly say he would never do deals with minor parties to get legislation passed? Most govts have to do deals with minor parties to get stuff through the senate.

  242. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 2:56 pm

    ‘Ignorant, emotive stupidity isn’t the exclusive domain of any single side’

    This is probably the biggest flaw with democracy, it breeds mediocracy.

    May I suggest a benevolent dictatorship of the Chinese variety, retaining the democratic vote for the second and third tiers. Its a revolutionary concept.

  243. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 2:58 pm

    Neil name a politician you admire for their integrity and vision?

  244. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 3:01 pm

    Presently serving in the parliament.

  245. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 3:07 pm

    The real problem is that Tasmania which is a leftist state gets the same number of Senators as NSW. But we copied the American system in our Senate. Without this compromise states with small populations would have never joined the Union because they could always be outvoted.

    PS Dunno Egg. I think you may have to be crazy to enter parliament. Look at the nasty comments they get. It is a bit like being a referee in a soccer match. If you do a good job nobody says anything but make one mistake and people want to kill you. But i don’t like the ALP or its supporters. They are natural totalitarians.

  246. public toilet permalink
    July 13, 2014 3:14 pm

    So are religious conservatives.

  247. public toilet permalink
    July 13, 2014 3:16 pm

    Natural Totalitarians…another Bolt buzzphrase.

  248. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2014 3:47 pm

    …Dunno Egg. I think you may have to be crazy to enter parliament. Look at the nasty comments they get…

    look at the nasty comments they make.

  249. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 4:04 pm

    Its a robust democracy and they are career politicians, likely to thrown out at the next election.

    Its better to fight with words than swords. (Malaysian expression)

  250. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2014 4:18 pm

    more lefty claptrap, nobody wants to know how the liberals are destroying democratic institutions with biased partisan political appointments. Qld is turning back to the joh bjelke corruption days and similar moves have taken place federally with abbott placing lib friendlies in all available public service positions. Who needs brown paper bags full of cash when you can have lobbyists dumping money federally to avoid state laws. The lib party is a money laundering operation for corruption. Even the warriors who are ideologically opposed to govt are happily troughsnouting now eg tim wilson – entirely missing are his concerns for AS and their human rights, transparency of govt processes. The govt has ripped funding out of the RC into child abuse and out into the RC witch hunt of unions. Why does abbott support child sexual abuse and priestly paedophilia? Why does it not support a RC into a financial system which allows people to have their life savings ripped off by ‘financial advisor’ grubs?
    lets not talk about the appts of hendo, planet janet and the anti ABC, former deputy lib leader neil brown. Yeah really fair and neutral appointments!

    Newman’s moves to neuter the CMC
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/topic/politics/2014/07/12/newmans-moves-neuter-the-cmc/1405087200#.U8Id9vna6Sq

  251. Meta permalink
    July 13, 2014 4:19 pm

    (I dunno, either; still, trained ex-theologians might or might not be that conservative; after all, salt of the earth, should it be deemed to have lost its flavour, is destined to be cast out into the street and trampled underfoot as useless garbage, per the Book of Matthew (5:13); which totally seems like a nice, and not a nasty, thing to say; like, does anyone really want a salaried condiment which has lost its utility to an otherwise repealing main dish remaining in their house as a gritty irritant?)

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2014 4:46 pm

    …after all, salt of the earth, should it be deemed to have lost its flavour, is destined to be cast out into the street and trampled underfoot as useless garbage…

    graeme innes?

  253. July 13, 2014 4:55 pm

    And therein lies my point squeal a lie aldi plunk troll cant answer a strait question on anything without resorting to parrotting Boltist generalisations and lies from yesteryear. He cant even bring himself as a low troll to endorse any of these fucktards….pathetic, utterly pathetic

    Stephen Koukoulas the most legitimate and well respected economist in the country consistently reveals the lies and economic incompetence of these fucktards and the $3 Melot troll attacks him with the nasty imputence of being a liar when he cant handle the truth… what a deceitful little troll

    Robust democracy? Lowest Ebb of political discourse in the nations history thanks to that fucking lying megalomaniac Abbott…Talk about elected on a lie, and this fucker has the utter gall to call mandate and Gillard illegitimate?

  254. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 5:34 pm

    If there is a DD it will be colourful.

  255. July 13, 2014 5:42 pm

    If a DD was held right now…AbbottCorp would have every chance of having its arse handed to it.

    Showed their ideological hand far too early with the LetsPreyOnTheWeak Budget.

  256. July 13, 2014 5:44 pm

    Funnily, RC Witchhunt aside, the Abbotteers are likely to be too coy to go in hard on IR anytime soon…and we all know that’s primarily what those to whom they are beholden are really gunning for.

    They fuck around with awards at their utter peril now.

  257. July 13, 2014 6:12 pm

    The `Salt` of the earth crowd are doing what they usually do,

    Poisoning the water-hole.

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2014 6:13 pm

    Showed their ideological hand far too early with the LetsPreyOnTheWeak Budget

    Pity they didn’t show it EARLIER … then people would have likely pissed them off, rather than now being pissed off with them!

    And it was the heads up on WorkChoices that they learned from …

  259. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 6:13 pm

    ‘AbbottCorp would have every chance of having its arse handed to it.’

    Not if he tells the electorate the science is crap, then we can all have a laugh.

  260. July 13, 2014 6:21 pm

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/07/everybody-hates-tony-abbott-part-ii/#comment-65355

    (it has not gone un-noticed that Tinfoil`osy has [accidentally, inadvertently, mistakenly, runaway] overlooked his own sworn commitments to free-speech, which he made of his own free-will, apparently)

  261. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 6:28 pm

    “Showed their ideological hand far too early with the LetsPreyOnTheWeak Budget.

    And that is the reason Labor will always run deficit budgets.

    It really annoys me when ALP supporters say they would have run surplus budgets like Costello did from 1996-2007. Labor tries to make out it cares for people and therefore cannot stop spending.

    Hawke/Keating, Cain/Kirner, Beattie/Bligh- they all blew the budget.

    We were saved from the GFC because of our low debt. An achievement of Howard/Costello that Labor could never have done.

    And Labor may mean well by helping the poor but in the long run it make everybody worse off.

  262. July 13, 2014 6:30 pm

    Once upon a time, scaper claimed to have the ear of this contortionist arsehat…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/13/coalition-confident-carbon-tax-repeal-is-finally-secure-under-pup-deal

    At the moment, the dense prick is acting like scaper is actually his trusted advisor. * Guffaw

  263. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 6:31 pm

    PS- People say the budget is unfair.

    What is unfair is that Labor trashes the budget every time and then expects other people to clean up the mess.

  264. July 13, 2014 6:34 pm

    “Not if he tells the electorate the science is crap, then we can all have a laugh.”

    Well, he absolutely won’t be doing that. As noted previously, by many, he is a political coward realist opportunist.

    And even if he did, I’m not so sure that a majority of the population are as willing to bet the farm on the (obviously ideologically aligned) segments you adhere to being conclusive about ‘the science’, el gordo. You are suffering confirmation bias.

  265. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2014 6:46 pm

    (it has not gone un-noticed that Tinfoil`osy has [accidentally, inadvertently, mistakenly, runaway] overlooked his own sworn commitments to free-speech, which he made of his own free-will, apparently teabagz has completely lost the plot)

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2014 6:49 pm

    Not if he PROVES to the electorate the science is crap, then we can all have a laugh.

    Even I would laugh … somehow?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Abbott Apocalypse Showed their ideological hand far too early with the LetsPreyOnTheWeak Budget.”

    And that is the reason Labor will always run deficit budgets.

    WTF! Unhinged … absolutely!

    And Labor may mean well by helping the poor but in the long run it make everybody worse off.

    Mean spirited, cruel, selfish, self centred, nasty, lacking empathy? Absolutely!

    PS- People say the budget is unfair.

    What is unfair is that Labor trashes the budget every time and then expects other people to clean up the mess.

    What’s unfair is that YOU, Kneel, should be supporting the budget with higher income taxes and less pay rises … rather than ta king money away from the poor, weak, unemployed and uneducated … not them …

  267. July 13, 2014 6:51 pm

    Maybe weigh into the left v right conundrum, YomM?

    Show some street cred mate.

  268. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 6:58 pm

    “Mean spirited, cruel, selfish, self centred, nasty, lacking empathy? Absolutely!

    Maybe so.

    But i don’t believe we should be borrowing money if we cannot afford it. Worse is that 70% of our debt has to be funded from overseas. So of our $1B/month interest payments on our debt means that $700M/month of that money goes overseas to foreigners who lent us the money.

  269. July 13, 2014 7:05 pm

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/topic/politics/2014/07/12/newmans-moves-neuter-the-cmc/1405087200#.U8Id9vna6Sq

    (caution, this contains content left of imbecile section 57 may stress tories)

  270. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 7:14 pm

    ‘You are suffering confirmation bias.’

    Maybe, won’t know for a couple of weeks.

  271. July 13, 2014 7:15 pm

    http://wolfiesworld.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/wet-dunny-rolls/

    (Reminders of previous `plots` Lost.)

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    July 13, 2014 7:28 pm

    But i don’t believe we should be borrowing money if we cannot afford it.

    Neither do I …

    As an income taxpayer (who paid more than anyone does today – and still pays) … I believe YOU don’t pay ENOUGH income tax …

    If YOU did then we COULD AFFORD IT! You’re CHEATING poor people … I supported those worse off than me (and still do) … but YOU won’t …

    Do yourself a favour and go to a TAFE and learn about economics and humanity … ’cause you really know sweet fuck all! THEN come back here and comment …

    So of our $1B/month interest payments on our debt means that $700M/month of that money goes overseas to foreigners who lent us the money.

    If it didn’t the fkn world would implode! Howard bought into the Global Economy … live with it … Howard bought into Iraq and Afghanistan

    Afghanistan alone has cost the lives of 40 Australian soldiers and in excess of $8 billion … the longest conflict Australia has been involved in … did you volunteer, Kneel, or any of your family? Did any Liberal Party members or their family? Or Liberal Party politicians children? I bet not!

    Wars of all types, the decisions should be made by the electorate not government … and if pollies want to go to war with another state then they pick up the rifle …

  273. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2014 7:34 pm

    Hmm…

    o Despite the gloss of its platform, the ALP isn’t “left” (whatever that means these days anyway). At its best the ALP can be reformist, but it hasn’t been at its best for about 2 decades.
    o The membership the ALP (these days) has lots of public servants and teachers in its ranks, they’re well intentioned, but they really don’t have much of a grasp of how the economy runs. The other half is made up of unions, who also don’t have much of a notion about the economy.
    o Way back when I joined the ALP there were plenty of small business types in the local branches. There were even some in the parliamentary party. They were attracted to the notion of reform, not “left wing socialism”.
    o Fraser was regarded as the most “right wing” Prime Minister in history back then, and it’s only his manipulative and hypocritical rebranding of himself that has changed public sentiment, so I don’t think this government is particularly unusual for the Liberals.

  274. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 7:41 pm

    But i don’t believe we should be borrowing money if we cannot afford it.

    Neither did the previous Government

    The Government is still on track to return to surplus at the end of the forward estimates. Since the Budget, the Government has made $17.4 billion of responsible savings decisions, which have made a significant contribution to offsetting the impact of revenue write‑downs in 2015‑16 and 2016‑17 (Table 5). This return to surplus is achieved with lower terms of trade, which means that, compared to the Budget, the structural position of the budget has been improved at the end of the forward estimates.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2013-14/content/economic_statement/html/04_fiscal_outlook.htm

  275. July 13, 2014 7:45 pm

    ” So of our $1B/month interest payments on our debt means that $700M/month of that money goes overseas to foreigners who lent us the money.”

    Which makes your sporadic claims of how terrific the US must be (coz da wetbacks are all fleeing there) all the more ludicrously ignorant; by your own apparent yardstick.

  276. July 13, 2014 7:48 pm

    “Maybe, won’t know for a couple of weeks.”

    No maybe about it.

  277. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 7:48 pm

    “If it didn’t the fkn world would implode! Howard bought into the Global Economy … live with it “

    I don’t think that is true, some countries can finance their own debt from their own people. However i do believe the USA funds a lot of its debt by borrowing money from the Chinese.

    However we have to fund 70% of our debt from overseas meaning at the moment $700M/month goes overseas to pay interest on foreign borrowings.

    “Howard bought into Iraq and Afghanistan”

    It was the ALP that took us to the Middle East and we have been there ever since. I can remember listening to the radio in 1991 when the war started.

  278. July 13, 2014 7:51 pm

    Thanks, YomM. Seriously.

    I doubt you’ll be derided as a lefty after that entirely sensible appraisal.

  279. July 13, 2014 7:56 pm

    Neil can’t quite comprehend the difference between Saddam invading Kuwait…& The Coalition of The Killing invading Iraq after a decade of punitive sanctions under dubious (never substantiated) rationalisations.

    ” However i do believe the USA funds a lot of its debt by borrowing money from the Chinese.”

    Not just a belief…a fact.

  280. July 13, 2014 8:00 pm

    Don’t even get me started on when Saddam was ‘our’ favourite badguy in the region, Neil.

  281. July 13, 2014 8:04 pm

    Pretty much echoes what others here (supposedly welded on ALP ‘leftists’) have said on this thread about contemporary Labor.

    ” Despite the gloss of its platform, the ALP isn’t “left” (whatever that means these days anyway). At its best the ALP can be reformist, but it hasn’t been at its best for about 2 decades.”

  282. July 13, 2014 8:05 pm

    “whatever that means these days anyway”

    You can make it mean whatever you like evidently.

    For instance, pervert it enough & cherry pick supporting opinion & even Hitler can be A Leftist!

  283. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 8:06 pm

    I doubt you’ll be derided as a lefty after that entirely sensible appraisal.

    I’ve got me spin doctors working on it as we speak.

    They advise me that this one’s proving prickly though 😉

    Oh, OK, well said yomm 🙂

  284. egg permalink
    July 13, 2014 8:07 pm

    ‘No maybe about it.’

    If Clive plays ball on the repeal of the tax on a harmless trace gas, all should go well, giving Abbott breathing space.

    Later on there will be other hurdles, like the Renewable abolition, lots of triggers just laying about.

  285. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 8:09 pm

    Yes everybody knows the USA funds a lot of its debt from China but i wonder what percentage is funded by borrowing from overseas? I would be surprised if the USA funds 70% of its debt from foreigners like we do.

    And i can comprehend the difference between Sadam invading Iraq and us invading Iraq. In fact a lot of people do not understand why we did not invade Iraq after they were booted from Kuwait. For some reason the Coalition stopped at the border even though they had the legal right to continue all the way to Baghdad.

    As for Sadam being our favourite bad guy- well life is complicated. I think the British used to do deals with people they detested. I do that all the time with some of the people i work with.

  286. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 8:16 pm

    At its best the ALP can be reformist, but it hasn’t been at its best for about 2 decades.

    Mind you, I’d argue that one. The last Government got quite a bit of progressive legislation through and many reforms started.

    NDIS, Gonski, NBN, Carbon Pricing, all in the shadow of the worlds largest economic downturn since the Great Depression, and mostly with a belligerent opposition and media in a hung parliament.

    And I could imagine much more reform without all of these obstacles, including the internal one.

    But that’s lefties for ya 😉

  287. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 13, 2014 8:41 pm

    http://www.tai.org.au/content/australia-high-debt-country

    http://www.tai.org.au/content/myth-busting-commission-audit

    …If Clive plays ball on the repeal of the tax on a harmless trace gas, all should go well, giving Abbott breathing space…

    You’re not getting away with that shite

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/09/04/311670/co2-is-just-a-trace-gas/

  288. Tom R permalink
    July 13, 2014 8:44 pm

    You’re not getting away with that shite

    It would be better for all if he just took those repeated and reputed lies out the back to peddle to the already insane.

  289. July 13, 2014 8:49 pm

    I dunno this thread is getting hallucinogenic? Is that fucking Troll been on the $3 plonk again? Is he sticking up for howard invading Iraq? Some shit about he would be surprised about USA Debt was held by foreigners? .. I see why this squeal fucktard only repeats the same three thing all the time.. The poor imbecile is fucktarded …

    The biggest holder of Us Bonds is Their pension Plans
    then..
    1. China, mainland: $1.305 trillion

    2. Japan: $1.174 trillion

    3. Caribbean Banking Centers: $290.7 billion

    4. Oil Exporters*: $236.6 billion

    5. Taiwan: $184.5 billion

    6. Belgium: $180.3 billion

    7. Switzerland: 174.3 billion

    8. UK**: $158.4 billion

    9. Russia: $149.9 billion

    10. Hong Kong: $136.3 billion

    I mean seriously what a beligerant deadshit , he needs a good bumming by Stephen Koukoulas

    Gross government debt hits $323 billion – up $49.5 billion since the election http://t.co/DNSUtTQZEN— Stephen Koukoulas (@TheKouk) July 12, 2014

  290. July 13, 2014 8:58 pm

    The membership of the ALP these days has lots of teachers and technical people in its ranks, they’re well intentioned, but they really don’t have much of a grasp of how important Personal Assistants are. The other half is made up of people who never worked in a cubicle and don’t have much of a notion about cubicles.

  291. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 9:00 pm

    Its not what i asked but good to see you read every word i post.

    I asked what percentage of USA govt debt is held by foreigners. Anyway I found the answer.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States#Foreign_holdings

    So 32% of USA debt is held by foreigners. I think it is much higher for us. BUT

    “According to Paul Krugman, “It’s true that foreigners now hold large claims on the United States, including a fair amount of government debt. But every dollar’s worth of foreign claims on America is matched by 89 cents’ worth of U.S. claims on foreigners. And because foreigners tend to put their U.S. investments into safe, low-yield assets, America actually earns more from its assets abroad than it pays to foreign investors. If your image is of a nation that’s already deep in hock to the Chinese, you’ve been misinformed
    .”

  292. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 13, 2014 9:31 pm

    Elementary`my`dear`Teabag PERMALINK
    July 13, 2014 8:58 pm
    The membership of the ALP these days has lots of teachers and technical people in its ranks, they’re well intentioned, but they really don’t have much of a grasp of how important Personal Assistants are. The other half is made up of people who never worked in a cubicle and don’t have much of a notion about cubicles.
    is a complete f**kwit

  293. July 13, 2014 10:08 pm

    Way back when I jilted the ALP there were plenty of educated types in the local branches. There were even some in the parliamentary party. They were attracted to the notion of fairness, not Personal Assistants in cubicles.

  294. July 13, 2014 10:13 pm

    Thats funny…Sqweal is flattering himself into some delusional idea that we actually take his bullshit seriously..I could read the same post from last year and it would have the same statement with the same answer. saying the same inane shit…. at best squeal could get one sentence attention from me max.. dont need to read wingnut lies of some idiot pretending to be an economist or a scientist……prefer to go to the source ..like honest accredited reputable economist with years of experience in senior positions like the Kouk.. a man of credible truth, intelligence and intellect as opposed to lying imbecilic wingnut quoting childish economic propaganda drivel cut and pasted from Bolt, The fiberal website and Wiki….

  295. July 13, 2014 10:27 pm

    We may pay particular attention to the unanimous urination and defecation on squeals inanely imbecilic point repetitiously and mundanely parrot drilled like a rotten tooth….

    Chris Caton, from BT Financial, said it was “simply absurd” to suggest Australia had too much government debt.

    Saul Eslake of Bank of America Merrill Lynch said the incoming Conservative government in Britain had faced a “budget crisis” and a “debt emergency” in 2010. The projected deficit was 10 per cent of gross domestic product, and net public debt was in excess of 60 per cent of GDP.

    To apply similar terms to Australia with a prospective deficit of 2 per cent of GDP and net public debt of 15 per cent of GDP was “to abuse the English language”.

  296. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 13, 2014 10:48 pm

    Economists reject Abbott crisis claims

    Too funny. I would be interested to know if any of these economic deadbeats predicted the GFC.

  297. July 13, 2014 11:44 pm

    Too funny real for me to refudiate. I would be interested to know if any of these economic deadbeats Squeal predicted the GFC. Abbott and Hokey would be so incapable, indifferent and incompetent?

    As usual Squeal is “simply absurd”

  298. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 2:19 am

    “Economists reject Abbott crisis claims

    Economists are stupid. How many of them predicted the GFC?? Treasury/Swan were fighting inflation in May 2008. Here is the May 2008 budget speech by the dumbest Treasurer in all of human history

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2008-09/content/speech/html/speech-01.htm

    This Budget is designed to meet the big challenges of the future…………..A Budget carefully designed to fight inflation, and ensure we meet the uncertainties of the future from a position of strength………….We are budgeting for a surplus of $21.7 billion in 2008‑09, 1.8 per cent of GDP, the largest budget surplus as a share of GDP in nearly a decade.

    So in May 2008 the dumbest Treasurer in the world is preparing a budget to fight inflation and in September 2008 the GFC hits. Nobody in Treasury saw it coming. And of course there was no $21.7B surplus.

    Wayne Swan the most stupid Treasurer in history. But Swan gives hope to all people on the planet. No matter how dumb, stupid, incompetent you are, you to can become the Treasurer of Australia.

  299. Meta permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:19 am

    (graeme innes?

    Ah, yes, Graeme….we acknowledge Graeme’s recent indication that he feels that now is a good time for him to move on from his former position at the HRC, thank him again for his extensive public service, and wish him all the very best in his future endeavours.

    In particular, we would like to wish him well in any future robust debates with freed freespeakers and in not re-visiting any migration or general detention locations to ensure that social contract changes necessitating facility closures, facility openings and facility upgrades under an enhanced basic human rights framework are performing to the world-class standards for which we are renowned and of which we are rightly proud.

    And, of course, as a prominent member of the disability community and longtime enablement advocate, we know he will welcome a renewed whole-of-government emphasis on treating the disabled with extra care, no matter their personal circumstance. Ideally, for Graeme, that might mean being neither seen nor heard, for instance.)

  300. Meta permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:42 am

    (I hadn’t seen that Guardian article, ‘boss. It’s good to learn that a ‘please explain’ role has been pre-allocated for Monday’s cast of the die, and that the Minister for the Environment has assumed the critical task of making that ‘please explain’ role very, very, very clear to those who have been placed on notice via that very, very, very clear message, should they fail to live up to mandatory expectations again.)

  301. egg permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:10 am

    ‘A Newspoll conducted exclusively for The Australian after last Thursday’s chaos in the Senate saw the repeal bills rejected, reveals 53 per cent want the controversial tax to be abolished.’

    Hate Media

  302. egg permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:20 am

    FAT CHANCE

    ‘A confidential study commissioned by the federal government has urged the ABC and SBS boards to investigate “co-locating” the public broadcasters’ offices in Sydney and Melbourne to generate savings.

    ‘An ABC spokeswoman said the broadcaster’s headquarters in inner-city Ultimo, where 2500 people work, was already “fully occupied”.

    ‘Professor Shergold said it would be “enormously valuable” if the ABC and SBS moved more of their operations to Western Sydney — ­either “individually or on a co-location basis”.

    “After all, Parramatta is the centre of Sydney and the West is the face of our multicultural future,’’ he said.

    Lehmann / Daily Terror

  303. egg permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:24 am

    ‘You’re not getting away with that shite’

    If I’ve told you once I’ve told you a thousand times, do that shit out the back.

  304. egg permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:28 am

    ‘It would be better for all if he just took those repeated and reputed lies out the back to peddle to the already insane.’

    This is a tipping point year and let me assure you its has all the hallmarks of a science fiction movie.

  305. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2014 12:28 pm

    Ideally, for Graeme, that might mean being neither seen nor heard, for instance.

    too true meta

    If I’ve told you once I’ve told you a thousand times, do that shit out the back.

    Keep your ‘harmless trace gas’ and all the rest of your denier rubbish out the back, stop peppering every single conversation with your CC lies that have all been refuted a thousand times before. I am going to highlight it every single time you do it. maybe i should just make up a standard response, like a stamp, under every piece of denial that you bring into the conversation. Something like:

    ***JERK OFF ALERT – AGGRESSIVE CLIMATE CHANGE DENIER JACKING OFF***

  306. July 14, 2014 12:59 pm

    “Keep your ‘harmless trace gas’ and all the rest of your denier rubbish out the back, stop peppering every single conversation with your CC lies that have all been refuted a thousand times before. “

    Hear hear!

    In fact I’m going to chuck you into moderation if you keep doing it.

  307. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2014 1:06 pm

    here you go egg, knock yourself out, should be easy money for you!

    This scientist will give you $10,000 for actual proof that global warming is a hoax:

    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/25/calling_all_climate_deniers_this_scientist_will_give_you_10000_for_actual_proof_that_global_warming_is_a_hoax/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

    When you win the money, can you post a link for us?

  308. July 14, 2014 1:35 pm

    Higher Ed Poll Predicts Pyne Gone, Coalition Wiped Out…

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/14/higher-ed-poll-predicts-pyne-gone-coalition-wiped-out

  309. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 1:38 pm

    In Eggs defense i think someone else brought up the topic. He of course was eager to reply but i don’t think he started it.

    But since you lefties believe in AGW, it therefore has to be wrong.

    I also see the opinion polls are saying that most Australians want more punishment by bringing back the ALP who can only funds things by going into debt.

  310. egg permalink
    July 14, 2014 2:11 pm

    ‘When you win the money, can you post a link for us?’

    That story has been around the traps for awhile, but if I hear of anything I’ll let you know.

  311. egg permalink
    July 14, 2014 2:14 pm

    ‘In Eggs defense i think someone else brought up the topic.’

    Its true, a few of the rusted ons have been baiting me. Its all good sport, but it puts me a bad light with the editor.

  312. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 2:46 pm

    I also want to reaffirm my belief in Wayne Swan. Mr Swan is an inspiration to millions of people. He gives hope to so many people.

    Wayne Swan is an inspiration to all the stupid people on the planet.

    No matter how dumb you are, no matter how stupid, no matter what damage you do to the lives of people- even stupid people can become Treasurer of Australia.

  313. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2014 2:54 pm

    That story has been around the traps for awhile, but if I hear of anything I’ll let you know.

    thought so. nada.
    you won’t take the opportunity to prove your claims, you are so prolific here and so sure of yourself, surely you must want to test all of your theories where it counts?
    No denier ‘geniuses’ anywhere willing to have a go? All those industry funds and such profuse and passionate denying from folks from WUWT or jonova and so many other well funded organisations, yet none of them will produce a shred of evidence to back up any of their claims to a real climate scientist. Amazing!

    baiting you? good one 🙂

    neil running interference with hislame repetitions. Too funny if it wasn’t so much of a freak show 😆

  314. July 14, 2014 3:06 pm

    (salon)””””””””’The challenge is tantalizingly simple, so much so that any denier should be able to do it — provided they’re as clever as they think. Keating, for one, is betting against them. It’s time, he told Salon, for deniers to “put up or shut up.”””””””””””

    critters like worrell and dumpty won`t even have the nads to enter ipa, bolt, nova, watts or any other peddlers of junk, simply because their own paid-to-troll-pay-masters forbid them to, they are also not permitted to loiter at denier-sites, as they must do what they are paid to do, and harass and derail non-teabag sites

    ”””’running interference with his lame repetitions””””’

    the routine is so small, probably a chat-bot

  315. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 3:09 pm

    To the poster at 3.06PM

    It would help if you spoke English when you post.

    God Save the Queen.

  316. egg permalink
    July 14, 2014 3:16 pm

    ‘thought so. nada.’

    Sadly, no.

  317. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2014 3:23 pm

    Higher Ed Poll Predicts Pyne Gone, Coalition Wiped Out…

    That’s good, they deserve it on the basis of the debt they intend to load young people up with.

  318. July 14, 2014 3:34 pm

    #newmatilda

    while l`m not a fan of the continual noise-poll cycle,

    ””””””””””’is one released this morning by the National Tertiary Education Union (NTEU).”””””””’

    #at least this one `seems` it has had some effort put into it,

    ”””””””””””””””The sample size of Newspoll is 1,159 people. The sample size of the NTEU poll is around 2,000 per cent larger, at 23,176 voters, and focused on 23 marginal electorates.””””””””””’

    #and l can`t say l`m unhappy with their predictions for the mincer for sturt and friends

  319. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 3:37 pm

    Bit of a low blow there Tom.

    Do you really believe the ALP would reduce debt? How many times did Swan promise a surplus budget? How many ALP govts since 1980 either Sate or Federal have reduced debt??

    The ALP makes the Coalition look nasty because they always have a mess to clean up.

  320. Paper Shredder permalink
    July 14, 2014 3:49 pm

    “yet none of them will produce a shred of evidence to back up any of their claims”

    At the risk of being told to get out the back, I’ll respond to that on the same thread it was posted. How about this for a shred?

    A sixteen year hiatus in warming even as CO2 emissions reach an all time high. If that’s not proof the theory doesn’t stack up, it’s certainly evidence the computer models are.

    http://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-the-case-of-the-missing-heat-1.14525

  321. July 14, 2014 4:03 pm

    .
    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/07/everybody-hates-tony-abbott-part-ii/#comment-65355

    _(it has not gone un-noticed that Tinfoil`osy has [accidentally, inadvertently, mistakenly, runaway] overlooked his own sworn commitments to free-speech, which he made of his own free-will, apparently)

  322. Tony permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:06 pm

    What are you on about, fuckwit?

  323. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:08 pm

    A sixteen year hiatus in warming even as CO2 emissions reach an all time high. If that’s not proof the theory doesn’t stack up, it’s certainly evidence the computer models are.

    ok tony, take up the man’s offer and enter the competition, easy as!

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:16 pm

    And, of course, as a prominent member of the disability community and longtime enablement advocate, we know he will welcome a renewed whole-of-government emphasis on treating the disabled with extra care,

    Of course, meta, I agree wholeheartedly with your comment … and of course we know how empathetic the Prime Minister is to sick and disabled folk from when he was Health Minister … no problems there at all …

  325. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:17 pm

    At the risk of being told to get out the back, I’ll respond to that on the same thread it was posted. How about this for a shred?

    I’m not sure this discussion should be here. It seems to perilously close if not right in, exactly what reb has threatened egg with moderation for. I’m not going to answer your provocation with links of my own because this turns it into yet another derailing of a thread by climate deniers.

    All I’m saying is put up or shut up – you keyboard climate geniuses should enter what looks like a giveaway comp if you’re so sure of yourselves and your facts. Don’t convince us, you back your climate science against a real climate scientist.

  326. Paper Shredder permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:21 pm

    *the computer models are wrong.

  327. July 14, 2014 4:21 pm

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/07/everybody-hates-tony-abbott-part-ii/#comment-65355

    (retorting with ad-hom`s and claims of not understanding, should not be attempted by those not bright enough to click the lone link Tinfoil`osy)

  328. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:27 pm

    Economists are stupid.

    And that certainly applies to Costello … the Treasurer who lost $10 billion …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    In fact I’m going to chuck you into moderation if you keep doing it.

    Chuckle … again? 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I also see the opinion polls are saying that most Australians want more punishment by bringing back the ALP

    Have you been on a month’s holiday and just noticed?

    To the poster at 3.06PM

    It would help if you spoke English when you post.

    God Save the Queen.

    A fkn royalist too … I shudda known …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  329. Paper Shredder permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:28 pm

    (Reading down the thread, it wasn’t the “deniers” who started discussing this taboo topic, although it did start out as talk of mandate or otherwise for an ETS.)

  330. egg permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:31 pm

    Paper Shredder is correct.

  331. Let's Hear It permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:33 pm

    Just because you asked some barely literate and hardly comprehensible “question” doesn’t mean It deserves a response. However, as it happens, I am all for jihadists talking about their true agenda in public forums.

  332. Tom ofKelbourne permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:34 pm

    No Neil, the policy on uni fees has more to do with the Liberals philosophical view on (de)regulation than it has to do with the budget.

    The Liberals look meanspirited, because they are.

    …and the ALP look like blundering incompetents for the same reason.

  333. Tit For Tat permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:40 pm

    “retorting with ad-hom`s”

    Says the king of ad homs. You might have noticed, or probably not, that I reserve any name calling for you alone. It’s not usually my style, but you won’t be civil, so I won’t be civil back.

  334. July 14, 2014 4:46 pm

    (Reading across all the threads Tinfoil`osy, the taboo topic was not started by non-teabags, but additional information surrounding said taboo topic, such as media coverage of taboo topic, the usual suspects continue to do what they do)

  335. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 14, 2014 4:50 pm

    …A sixteen year hiatus in warming even as CO2 emissions reach an all time high. If that’s not proof the theory doesn’t stack up, it’s certainly evidence the computer models are…
    …*the computer models are wrong.

    and don’t enter with the above it will take about 30 sec for you to become a laughing stock 😉

  336. July 14, 2014 4:59 pm

    ”””Says the king of ad homs.”””’

    ”””’I reserve any name calling for you alone.””””

    See what you can achieve when you apply ya`self dumpty

    #basking-bagz #elephant-stamp

  337. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 5:29 pm

    “And that certainly applies to Costello … the Treasurer who lost $10 billion … ”

    TB- nasty as always.

    Costello produced $110B in surplus budgets and sold $70B of assets so he saved $110+$70= $180B in 11 years taking govt debt from 18% of GDP to zero and starting a $80B Future Fund.

    Hawke/Keating took govt debt from 6% of GDP to 18% of GDP and lost $80B. And that is not taking into account the assets Keating flogged off like Qantas, Comm Bank, CSL etc.

    Hawke/Keating did not save a cent and who knows how much money Rudd/Swan lost. Rudd/Swan also did not save a cent. Notice the similarity?? ALP govts always produce debt.

    Like all ALP supporters you have no shame and do not care for the truth.

  338. July 14, 2014 5:33 pm

    “Its true, a few of the rusted ons have been baiting me.”

    You only (poorly) pretend not to be rusted-on; for the most part.

  339. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2014 5:46 pm

    You might have noticed, or probably not, that I reserve any name calling for you alone.

    Now, now, ToSY? WE know that’s not quite true …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    TB- nasty as always.

    OK, he “misplaced” $10 billion … have you misplaced a coupla thousand $$ lately?

    Admittedly Costello did come up with the goods find it later … so much money rolling in how could Peter go wrong … did Costello predict the GFC, BTW?

    FYI, I did – another on its way this FY too, I’d suggest … got yer bomb shelter built (metaphorically speaking) …

  340. Assertions Are Easy permalink
    July 14, 2014 5:48 pm

    “Now, now, ToSY? WE know that’s not quite true …”

    In which case it will be quite easy for you to provide a for instance. 😉

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2014 5:49 pm

    You only (poorly) pretend not to be rusted-on; for the most part.

    He’s become so corroded he’s become a yolk …

  342. TB Queensland permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:03 pm

    In which case it will be quite easy for you to provide a for instance

    Just give me some time to go through all your nom de plumes … gotta go out … but you have told me to “get fucked” … sometime this year …

  343. July 14, 2014 6:03 pm

    “I am all for jihadists talking about their true agenda in public forums.’

    So am I.

    Like sands through the hourglass…so are the days of our realisations that considered responses to issues easily transcend ideological boundaries.

    But then, we are both ‘extremists’, after a fashion…

  344. egg permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:07 pm

    ‘You only (poorly) pretend not to be rusted-on; for the most part.’

    I’m a creature of the left and only crossed the floor on a single issue. Wooing me back looks unlikely in the short term, but I’ll keep an open mind.

  345. July 14, 2014 6:09 pm

    I think that, as a rule, ToSY has always kept it quite civil. His total lack of personal divulgence would make it nigh on impossible to attack him personally. Right or wrong, it’s almost always about the issue.

    Also, I reckon Neil was taking the piss & trawling for a response with his royal-licking nonsense.

    And YomM is setting new standards for cogent criticism of both sides. He’s always done same, just not quite so obviously.

  346. July 14, 2014 6:14 pm

    What I meant, el gordo, is you seem to let your abject loathing of AGW doctrine align you with an anti-AGW (not nearly so blatant, because they lack the courage of their conviction- as most politicians at their heights do) government & its many conflicting social stances, by default.

    I should have worded my initial comment more carefully. It wasn’t supposed to be a blanket dismissal of all you say. For instance, I’m reasonably sure you are about as anti-theist as I am.

  347. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:14 pm

    “did Costello predict the GFC, BTW”

    Dunno. But we know Swan/Treasury didn’t. Swans first budget in May 2008 was designed to fight inflation.. Four months later in September 2008 the GFC hit.

  348. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:16 pm

    *the computer models are wrong.

    Take it our the back tosy, I note it’s already been done and dusted there months ago. Which is why denialst rubbish is kept there. Its a friggin’ circle jerk of epic proportions.

    https://theguttertrash.com/co2-and-you-iv/#comment-51040

    Reading down the thread, it wasn’t the “deniers” who started discussing this taboo topic, although it did start out as talk of mandate or otherwise for an ETS.)

    So any discussion about the carbon price is apparently license to run denial bullshit

    BULLSHIT!

  349. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:21 pm

    The Liberals look meanspirited, because they are.

    So think those suckers who voted for ’em also

    Christopher Pyne – architect of the higher education cuts that will make a degree cost more like a mortgage – may be perennially unpopular as the Minister for Education, but it turns out he’s also unpopular as the Member for Sturt.

    At the most recent election, Pyne held a margin of 10 percent, making Sturt a relatively safe seat. But if an election were held at the end of June, Pyne would have lost his seat with just 45 per cent of the vote. That’s a swing of 15 per cent to Labor.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/14/higher-ed-poll-predicts-pyne-gone-coalition-wiped-out

    And that’s blue collar heaven (same area as a recent lib went over to Labor)

    …and the ALP look like blundering incompetents for the same reason.

    Funny, Parliament was actually running smoothly except for the whirling dervish flogging all the limelight. Legislation getting passed like Labor had a clear majority. Now, with a clear majority, the gubamint looks like a minority. Now it really IS KAOS

  350. egg permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:32 pm

    ‘I’m reasonably sure you are about as anti-theist as I am.’

    Indeed, but I’m partial to the idea that China is the antichrist.

  351. Nom Hom permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:39 pm

    “but you have told me to “get fucked” … sometime this year …”

    Not sure about that, but I did call you a control freak not so long ago.

  352. July 14, 2014 6:39 pm

    “And that’s blue collar heaven”

    Yep.

    AbbottCorp made a thick rod for its own back with the daily load of pretence it served up prior to ascending to the throne…

  353. Fringe Dweller permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:41 pm

    “But then, we are both ‘extremists’, after a fashion…”

    I know. It’s lonely out here on the fringes. but I wouldn’t have it any other way. 🙂

  354. July 14, 2014 6:42 pm

    Pretty sure you told TB to get fucked, either in those words or similar, but you & him have a longstanding superficial feud going on. I think you both have grudging respect for eachother & know that ‘decency’ is an overriding principle in your rationalisations…

    Nothing like your return fire in the ad hom barrages 😯 😉

  355. July 14, 2014 6:43 pm

    “It’s lonely out here on the fringes.”

    But consistent & somewhat logical… 🙂

  356. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:46 pm

    “The Liberals look meanspirited, because they are.”

    Maybe so.

    But it would be a big help if Labor did not trash the budget every time they get into power.

    Trouble with the ALP is when they get into power and see the taxpayer funded honeypot they cannot stop spending. They try and make out how great they are by giving money to everybody. Trying to buy votes using taxpayers money.

  357. Hatfield McCoy permalink
    July 14, 2014 6:49 pm

    I’m not having a feud with TB. He may think otherwise, but I’ve grown quite fond of the cantankerous old fool him over the last seven years or so.

    😆

  358. July 14, 2014 6:57 pm

    so say we all…

  359. A Wee Dram permalink
    July 14, 2014 7:04 pm

    (Chivas Regal $39 at Dans. Just Sayin’.)

  360. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 7:24 pm

    they cannot stop spending.

    You’re like an economic version of a climate change denialist. Is it time for your own thread?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/07/everybody-hates-tony-abbott-part-ii/#comment-65486

  361. Back Room Bandit permalink
    July 14, 2014 7:28 pm

    “Take it our the back tosy”

    While you’re here, Tom R, thread-copping doesn’t become you.

  362. July 14, 2014 7:31 pm

    Jamesons Irish Whiskey…just like that which the True Detectives used to evade the mountaincats which had come to drag away their bones.

    Magfuckingnificent

  363. Murphy Dees permalink
    July 14, 2014 7:38 pm

    I’ll take the tip, it’s on the shopping list.

  364. July 14, 2014 7:40 pm

    Like water.

  365. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 7:40 pm

    You’re like an economic version of a climate change denialist. Is it time for your own thread?”

    Get stuffed Tom R. Why should i believe anything published by Swan/treasury?

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/speech/html/speech.htm

    The four years of surpluses I announce tonight are a powerful endorsement of the strength of our economy, resilience of our people, and success of our policies………..This Budget delivers a surplus this coming year, on time, as promised, and surpluses each year after that, strengthening over time.

    Wayne Swan
    May 2012

  366. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 7:41 pm

    thread-copping doesn’t become you.

    Reading redundant meme’s doesn’t become me either tosy 😉

  367. July 14, 2014 7:44 pm

    Go Rust…even though his portrayal is begotten by a non-nihilist.

  368. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 7:48 pm

    Why should i believe anything published by Swan/treasury?

    Probably because, whether you like it or not, they are the numbers our economy runs with.

    Which is why, now that hockey has pulled his swifty, things are looking so rosy 😉

    And, which is why you are such an irrelevant addition to any conversation. Hysterical ranting about facts and figures, but assiduously dismissing all facts and figures you don’t like. Think I might start referring to you as riffraff 🙂

    Racing horses have a broader view of the world than you do.

  369. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 7:50 pm

    (only good for a laff)

  370. Redundant Redundancy permalink
    July 14, 2014 7:50 pm

    Tom R, I’ve had vigorous and perfectly reasonable discussions with people like Lotharsson on Tim Dunlop’s blog about this topic. He went on to be a stalwart of Tim Lambert’s Deltoid blog. I once asked him how many years of no warming would it take for him to admit there was something wrong with the hypothesis. His answer: 10 years.

  371. July 14, 2014 7:56 pm

    Both my mum and my dad have just read my copy of The Road, Tom R.

  372. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 7:59 pm

    how many years of no warming would it take for him to admit

    How many times will denialists get it wrong before they admit …………..

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998.htm

  373. Akka Dakka permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:02 pm

    At the risk of giving away personal details, like my age, I saw the Bon Scott version of AC/DC live at the Korumburra Mother Rock festival.*

    *Disclaimer: I was very underaged at the time.

  374. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:07 pm

    Both my mum and my dad have just read my copy of The Road

    Hope it didn’t depress them too much toilet 😉 Was great story, but I still get chills

    I couldn’t finish that Riddley Walker book, far to hard going for me after a long day 😦

    Reading Mistborn at the moment, which is quite engaging

  375. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:09 pm

    Never got to see them with Bon Scott (although I’ve talked to a few who were at that concert I linked to at the Apollo)

    He was a one of kind, which says a lot I think about the band to be able to come back bigger ( and better?) and with another very distinct front man.

  376. Rusty On permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:10 pm

    Far From Any Road.

    Nice vid.

  377. July 14, 2014 8:10 pm

    I saw Pantera every time they came here, Slayer, the first half dozen & Metallica before they became a moneychurningpopulist juggernaut.

    ACDC was & is just softmetalbythenumbers.

    A decent contemporary Australian act, in the heart of Melbourne…

  378. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:12 pm

    “Hysterical ranting about facts and figures, but assiduously dismissing all facts and figures you don’t like.”

    Same goes for you. Why should i trust Swan/Treasury when they got it wrong so many times?? You post figures from Swans last budget and expect me to believe his last published figures when ALL his previous predictions were wrong. This from the May 2012 budget.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/overview/html/overview_44.htm

    In the underlying cash balance column Swan Treasury predicted 4 surplus budgets in May (2012) of $1.5B, $2.0B, $5.3B and $7.5B.

    Of course we got nothing but deficits. Everything Swan predicted was wrong and you expect me to believe the figures you give me from his last budget??

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/07/everybody-hates-tony-abbott-part-ii/#comment-65486

    Sorry i don’t believe anything published by Swan/Treasury or any of your opinions on anything.

  379. July 14, 2014 8:13 pm

    “Hope it didn’t depress them too much toilet”

    My parents are both hardskinned mofos who love to read & enjoy a well crafted story.

    Twas actually my youngster who passed it onto mum who liked it enough to pass it onto dad.
    Neither of my parents have seen the movie…which I will furnish them with.

  380. July 14, 2014 8:14 pm

  381. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:20 pm

    Sorry i don’t believe anything published by Swan/Treasury or any of your opinions on anything.

    So 😯

    it really doesn’t change the facts just because you want to spend your life with eyes wide shut.

  382. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:21 pm

    Interesting tosy. If this is the one you meant? Had you seen the series?

  383. Way back machine permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:22 pm

    Back in ’76 (when I was just a babe in arms 😉 ) AC/DC were different enough to be interesting. They were an antidote to pop.

  384. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:24 pm

    But this one came up in the youtube ads?. This is haunting. And I’d never heard it until after he’d passed.

  385. Troo Dee permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:24 pm

    ” Had you seen the series?”

    Yes, loved it. As did a few others here, I suspect.

  386. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:26 pm

    They were an antidote to pop.

    And yet kept finding themselves on Countdown. 🙂

    Although, looking back, Countdown played everything, not just pop

  387. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:26 pm

    it really doesn’t change the facts just because you want to spend your life with eyes wide shut.

    I posted “the facts” from Swans second last budget which were shown to be wrong but you expect me to believe the predictions from Swans last budget.

    Your the man who believes what you want to believe. The evidence/fact is that Swan got ALL his predictions wrong. But you expect me to believe his last prediction before he lost office.

    You are totally deluded. No wonder you believe in AGW.

  388. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:29 pm

    Neither of my parents have seen the movie…which I will furnish them with.,/i>

    I found the movie probably better than the book. Could have been cos I saw the movie first? I had to keep reminding myself it was actually Aragorn there, he played that role so well. (He played Aragorn pretty good too)

  389. K Rock permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:31 pm

    “Bill: AC/DC, Hush, Ariel, Little River Band, Billy Thorpe, Ted Mulry Gang, Ayers Rock, Jim Key’s Southern Cross, Morning Glory.”

    Wish I’d been old enough to appreciate it. 😉

  390. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:32 pm

    I posted “the facts” from Swans second last budget

    Well riffraff, the last one explains it all for you, and I would assume the second last would as well.

    No wonder you believe in AGW

    Could it be because I trust in the experts in their field and the system of scientific research that has enabled us to argue inanities at each other from all corners of the globe at any time of the day?

  391. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:33 pm

    Wish I’d been old enough to appreciate it.

    But ya still young enuff to brag I note 😆

  392. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:35 pm

    Sorry toilet. I have flash block on, and hadn’t clicked your link above

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/07/everybody-hates-tony-abbott-part-ii/#comment-65647

    Was why I wasn’t sure about tosy’s reference. DOH!

  393. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:39 pm

    Yeah, I was underage at the Palais back then…

  394. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:43 pm

    “Well riffraff, the last one explains it all for you, and I would assume the second last would as well.

    I posted what Swan said in May 2012. Here are some more statements from the may 2012 budget.

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2012-13/content/bp1/html/bp1_bst3.htm

    The Government is returning the budget to surplus in 2012‑13, with surpluses growing across the forward estimates……………”

    Never happened. The experts in the field got it wrong or told lies under Swans supervision.

  395. By The Numbers permalink
    July 14, 2014 8:44 pm

    “But ya still young enuff to brag I note”

    Okay, here’s the truth. In 1976 I was 16. You work it out. 😯

  396. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 9:00 pm

    You work it out.

    >16 ❓ 😉

    Well, this is one I saw at Thebie Theatre around the same time that they were gracing the Countdown stages. I was just a a bit younger than that (not too much). Remember going out to see them on the Saturday night, and then getting dragged off to Sunday School the next morning ROFL My parents didn’t stand a chance of indoctrinating me into their fantasy 😦

  397. Tom R permalink
    July 14, 2014 9:18 pm

    Oh the ignominy

    The Chinese version of the Global Times editorial goes further than the English version, saying “China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs doesn’t even have the tools to deal with this kind of ‘complete fool’ of a foreign minister.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/julie-bishop-a-complete-fool-says-chinese-paper-20140714-zt6w0.html#ixzz37PhPyfhI

    ;lol: ;lol: ;lol: ;lol: ;lol: ;lol: ;lol: ;lol: ;lol:

  398. Googly Eyes permalink
    July 14, 2014 9:26 pm

    Wondering how I was at Mother Rock while I was supposed to be at boarding school. Looks like it was a public holiday. Must have gone home for the long weekend.

    http://www.calendar-australia.com/holiday/labour-day-victoria/3-8-1976/

  399. July 14, 2014 9:48 pm

    ””””””””””””””
    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/870100.shtml
    Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop appalled Chinese people on Wednesday by saying that Australia will “stand up to China to defend peace, liberal values and the rule of law,” and “China doesn’t respect weakness.”””””””””””””””

    (l`m sure China will tire of our canberra teabags as rapidly as the rest of us have.)

  400. July 14, 2014 10:19 pm

    ”””””””””””””Deltoid blog. I once asked him how many years of no warming would it take for him to admit there was something wrong with the hypothesis. His answer: 10 years.”””””””’

    Both question and answer seem dumb to me Tinfoil`osy.

    You make the assumption, (within the question) that the solution is linear, and will incrementally drop/rise to suit the heads/tails position you take with your adversary. Complex technical problems with a multitude of variables rarely can be solved like that.

  401. July 14, 2014 10:48 pm

    “In 1976 I was 16”

    BS…54 yo’s wouldn’t abide yolandi, much less ninja.

  402. July 14, 2014 10:50 pm

    Ray Donovan came back today.

  403. July 15, 2014 12:19 am

    Ok I’m back what did I miss? ..locked up writing theme for sports show… good excuse to play very fucking loud guitar 🙂 oh now let me see…Squealy being a fucktard.. livin in yesteryear.. Squealy defending egg… 99 change hands.. Hey Egg Squealy loves you man bromance.. how sweet.. 🙂

    Some nice song choices by Tom R well done son…

    Ok big shows… knock yaselfs out..all have my seal of goodness
    True Detective
    Fargo
    The Bridge US
    Orphan Black
    Penny Dreadful
    Treme
    Silicon Valley
    Halt and catch Fire
    Utopia
    and the wonderful Banshee!!

    Asbestosis Julie is hated in China they think she’s an imbecile

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/julie-bishop-a-complete-fool-says-chinese-paper-20140714-zt6w0.html#ixzz37RJO66sm

    And the cunterry of the fiberal lies have no bounds as they proceed to lyingly assfuck the ABC.. bring on an election

    Fucking cunts…
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/14/budget-80-abc-staff-out-of-work-in-90-days-as-australia-network-closes

    Utter Fucking lying cunts

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-30/abc-sbs-could-merge-operations-efficiency-study-finds/5488784

    Hey Reb FAR BE IT FROM ME TO HAVE A REQUEST…or tell you to run your very tidy shop…. but……….

    Can we have an economics thread and banish that fucking imbecile Squeal to it so we don’t have to put up with his flatchlent assblow cuntery chunks of diohorea? …all he does is go on and on and on and on about economics..Not prudent economics.. just turdwash from another delusional dimension of the planet Surplus… He is obviously a fucking amuature economist akin to Eggs ability as an amature sorry… amateur scientist.. let him Jack off in his own little corner… Please????

  404. Fish Paste permalink
    July 15, 2014 12:37 am

    “BS…54 yo’s wouldn’t abide yolandi, much less ninja.”

    Be careful when imposing absolutes. 😯

  405. July 15, 2014 12:49 am

    I fucking most certainly do.. but i’m only 52

    My fave…

  406. Age Of Skillz permalink
    July 15, 2014 1:15 am

  407. Meta permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:05 am

    (I’m not sure I really get AD or DA; maybe it is a generational thing.)

  408. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:35 am

    ‘You make the assumption, (within the question) that the solution is linear,’

    That is incorrect, there is no solution.

  409. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:47 am

    And I’m now convinced JJ was Lotharsson not Lambert.

  410. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 8:22 am

    More lies, but will the msm in general hold him to it?

    Towards the end of question time on Monday, shadow treasurer Chris Bowen asked a question that was never going to get an answer but which went to the heart of a disquiet reverberating through business ever since last Thursday’s carbon tax Palmer melodrama.

    Before the election, the Prime Minister promised “genuine consultation” before introducing legislation and regulations.

    ”Which businesses,” Bowen wanted to know, “were consulted in the 15 minutes it took for the government to agree to all the Palmer United Party’s amendments last Thursday?”

    ………..

    But on whether the PM would make any guarantees that voters would now reap a boom of falling prices, you will be astonished to know the Prime Minister was a little more cautious. “Every single Australian should [our italics] be better off when the carbon tax is gone,” he said.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/bowen_asks_hard_questions_about_ErifNCSrLlfVjTJLpHXG4I

  411. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 8:34 am

    considering the media completely not only dropped the ball, but forever changed the meaning of what was a Carbon Tax applied to consumers, then this is possibly one of the most vacuous and ignorant pieces I have read for a while. And that says something, considering the dire lack of talent amongst our media

    But while we are on cynical, how about Shorten only really finding his voice on carbon pricing on a day when the clean energy package is going out the back door? When the argument is already lost. And how about Labor’s too-clever-by-half election pledges to “terminate the carbon tax” – a policy that was never actually a “tax” but a fixed price? And that short term decision to distance itself from the policy it had, somehow, managed to wrangle through two houses (where it lacked outright majorities) – all in the interests of trying to lunge for the line last September? Labor made so many mistakes, including that last one: accepting the terrain as defined by the Coalition, rather than trying to defend your own legacy on your own terms. It’s a textbook case of saving the furniture by burning down the house.

    Really depressing episode, this.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/14/carbon-tax-repeal-bills-head-back-to-parliament-politics-live

    So, apparently, Shorten has only been onto Carbon Pricing once it was gone, The argument was LOST when you, the media, redefined a fixed price to be called a Carbon Tax, and allowed tabot and his minions to run an unchallenged campaign where any ridiculous statement was passed through to the keeper, whilst Labor (and scientists) were rejected and ridiculed at every opportunity. But this is the kicker. I want to see where you, or any other journo , challenged the accepted line when Gillard was TRYING to explain this simple but irrefutable difference to you. (I do recall cassidy said it one week, then spent weeks saying the exact opposite)

    a policy that was never actually a “tax” but a fixed price?

    What fucking dropkicks you all are. Get a fucking mirror, and kick the living shit out of it until you wake the fuck up and accept your own role in this silly sad sordid affair. Don’t sit there like an impartial third party going “oh, look what has happened”. You COULD have done that HAD you acted like journalists instead of picking a side and running with it all the way to the election, then wonder why the fuck this is all happening.

  412. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 8:35 am

    And I’m now convinced JJ was Lotharsson not Lambert.

    You are also convinced that 97% of scientists are lying to us all. It obviously doesn’t take a lot to convince you of any conspiracy theory does it?

  413. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 8:42 am

    No comment.

  414. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 8:51 am

    A comment

    There is no doubt our earth is warming and our seas rising – or that humankind is the cause. There is no evidence to refute this – or any genuine scientific counterargument in the climate change debate. This is not “absolute crap”. It is the inescapable truth.

    If we do not act, the consequences will be severe. It is predicted we will endure more droughts, more bushfires, more floods, more storms – more extremes. The damage to our coasts, our farmland, our forests and our animal life will be irretrievable – and irreversible. And today, we must decide whether Australia will step up and play our part.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/14/australia-has-a-choice-join-others-to-combat-climate-change-or-stand-alone

  415. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 9:51 am

    Every now and then, Denton comes out with something spot on.

  416. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 9:54 am

  417. Murdoch! permalink
    July 15, 2014 9:57 am

    “which is here to hold your government to account”

    (Provided it’s a Liberal government.)

  418. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2014 10:03 am

    I’m not sure that simply passing legislation is the hallmark of good government.

    Gillard and Swan will be remembered for the blunders
    • Continually missing budget forecasts
    • Continually missing the NBN rollout targets
    • Going to an election promising one policy of carbon, and doing the opposite in government
    • Acting dishonestly about poker machine reform
    • Cattle exports
    • How many policies on asylum seekers?

    Passing lots and lots of legislation may not indicate orderly, disciplined government.

  419. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 10:14 am

    • Continually missing budget forecasts
    give you that one, mind you, NOBODY gets them correct.
    • Continually missing the NBN rollout targets
    actually, the rollout was going pretty well considering the size and the number of blackages the opposition put in its way.
    • Going to an election promising one policy of carbon, and doing the opposite in government
    See above theguttertrash.com/2014/07/07/everybody-hates-tony-abbott-part-ii/#comment-65729
    • Acting dishonestly about poker machine reform
    I guess it’s if you want 50% of something, or %100 of nothing
    • Cattle exports
    Perhaps the cattle industry should look after itself better then. Don’t trust private industry to self regulate, it doesn’t work, and, how many jobs were lost for all the noise?
    • How many policies on asylum seekers?
    Since Malaysia, they have dropped their load completely.

  420. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2014 10:14 am

    It’s not our ABC, it’s their ABC. In Denton’s case It’s not my ABC, it’s his ABC. Of course he wants to take my money to pay for it. Apart from it pushing his political barrow, Denton has made a lot of money from the ABC. No wonder he is in the tank for them.

  421. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 10:19 am

  422. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 10:20 am

    it’s their ABC

    I AGREE!

    (them being ltdnews, which is ironic, as they are the ones tearing it down)

  423. July 15, 2014 12:30 pm

    Their ABC? Is that why 3 board members and the people that appoint the board are conservatives. I suppose that would explain the cavalcade of the who’s who of teabaggery from the fiberal party and IPA with all those right wing fucktade on Aunty constantly..especially dominating News 24 and the drum or Paul Barry on Media watch or Q and A?…. get a grip teabags… fucking facts are a very hard thing to see with both eyes closed…

    Like all mindless teabag barrackers You just expect the ABC to go harder when attack the other team and soft in the proliferation of their propaganda.. When the ABC question the lies of a fiberal government its biased? Fuck off… Did you even listen to what Andrew said? Attack Denton The best interviewer (Parkinsons words not mine) on the planet as pushing a barrow? Fuck off…. This is political warfare, Its Time…

    I’m not sure that simply passing legislation is the hallmark of good government.

    Its the only measure everything else is just rhetorical static, it is the ultimate measure of political potency the quality of which is by which is defining political legacy

  424. July 15, 2014 12:34 pm

    For those of you who watched Ruddock on Q&A last night being all moderate and pretending like he was a nice caring guy two words define him..”Children Overboard”…

    See I have a long memory unlike the current generation oblivious to the propaganda of these criminally heinous liars.. Lets take a trip down memory lane and negate all Phillip’s high moral ground peppered with pseudo heartfelt explanations in one clip for what they are… Blatant political opportunism at the expense of extreme suffering from the weak, persecuted and oppressed masquerading as caring; a tactic that this government has taken to another level.

    The Fiberals are good at turning propaganda into a big moral high horse are riding it around claiming its community standards,. good for us we should thank them all the while claiming it’s what “the people” want our “mandate”. This is how they sell their brand of divisive social engineering..T

    hat amnesty badge won’t save your soul Phillip Ruddock, its not a magical thing that will make me forget how fucking evil and black of heart you are and continue to be as the instigator of this divisive misery in the proliferation of your neocon radical social engineering. This is Scott Morrisons Mentor.. pure evil. #Q&A.

  425. July 15, 2014 12:36 pm

    What a fucking filthy Liar

  426. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 12:51 pm

    CUT THE AUSTRALIAN BRAINWASHING CORP

  427. July 15, 2014 1:04 pm

    Brisbane Real Estate agent Baden Clay found GUILTY of murdering his wife.

    A bit surprising really given that there wasn’t all that much evidence…

  428. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2014 1:05 pm

    “fucking facts are a very hard thing to see “ in anything you write.

    The reason leftist tossers so vociferously support the ABC is because it serves up to them what they want to hear and see – a steady diet of leftism and dog-fucking (which is essentially the same thing).

  429. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2014 1:05 pm

    “give you that one, mind you, NOBODY gets them correct’

    Maybe so. But when Costello predicted a surplus we got a surplus. It was just bigger than he predicted.

    Swan predicted a $21B surplus in his first budget in 2008 and we got a $27B budget deficit instead.

    A $48B turn around.

    Swan then went on the predict surplus budgets many times and never got one. Swan is proof that stupid people can make it to the top.

  430. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2014 1:08 pm

    Have faith in the jury system, reb. Modern day lynch mobs are much more civilised. Besides, he probably did it.

  431. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2014 1:27 pm

    Looks like a judge only trial would not have helped him:

    “Her fingernails scratched your face – the act of a desperate woman struggling for life. Those marks are only consistent with your guilt.

    “Your shameful conduct after murdering Allison bespeaks a profound absence of remorse.”

  432. Meta permalink
    July 15, 2014 1:58 pm

    (It’s okay, Tom R et al; now that good, strong Aussie dollars have almost been saved from Nigerian ETS scam artists and other dubious foreigners in Eastern Europe and the Subcontinent, journalists can go back to interrogating Lord Deb’s strawman safe in the knowledge that bringing the floating exchange price on carbon emissions forward by 12-months won’t be happening; because the tax has been axed and the axe has been taxed, the Clean Energy Package has been terminated and germinated, Australia finally will be pulling its weight on a negligible trace gas measured in gigatons with a zeroed-out big-new-ETS in the offing, and institutional memory is a centrefold which has been sold on page 3 of the pamphlet.)

  433. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2014 2:38 pm

    ”A $48B turn around.

    I’m old enough to remember when $48,000,000,000 was regarded as quite a lot of money.

    Still, mistakes do happen, and really, only the very picky would think Swan should hold any responsibility for the outcome.

  434. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 2:56 pm

    ‘Australia finally will be pulling its weight on a negligible trace gas measured in gigatons with a zeroed-out big-new-ETS in the offing’

    Which is unlikely to happen.

  435. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 2:58 pm

    ‘…and really, only the very picky would think Swan should hold any responsibility for the outcome.’

    ** chuckle

  436. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 15, 2014 3:06 pm

    Swan was the world’s greatest treasurer, no?

  437. TB Queensland permalink
    July 15, 2014 4:30 pm

    Off to Fraser for a week with the lads … enjoy yer pollies …

  438. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2014 4:58 pm

    TB you should take a surfboard. I think you seem like a long board type of gent, so hire something, even if it is one of the compound rubber beginner’s ones. You can thank me when you get back.

  439. July 15, 2014 5:15 pm

    But Reb like Scratchy… Squeal is murdering the truth.. 🙄

    Tell ya what will you consider it by placing a ban on him talking about economics.. give him a little puddle to play in like Egg.. thats essentially like Eggs gag order.. they have nothing else…

    Talking of gagging…
    I love how teabaggers are too busy with corporate dick in their gobs and saggy murdoch ballsacks over their eyes to actually site any ABC BIas when confronted with actual fact… guess they get whipped up in the zombie plague and don’t even watch Auntie.. false outrage….

    Please feel free to deliver actual instances and facts Splatter…while you roger that greyhound. Paul Barry the Liberal voter waits in dir anticipation… and ehile i’m at it

    Get fucked squeal you inane bore ..

  440. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 6:16 pm

    ‘Tell ya what will you consider it by placing a ban on him talking about economics.. ‘

    In defence of my colleague Neil, I consider that cruel and unusual punishment.

  441. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 6:19 pm

    ‘to actually site any ABC BIas when confronted with actual fact… ‘

    Sir… sir…. there is an elephant in the room.

  442. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 6:23 pm

    Ummm … on this momentous occasion I’m having a Johnny Walker and I’m drinking alone.

  443. Blubbering Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:07 pm

    “A bit surprising really given that there wasn’t all that much evidence…”

    Yeah

    The only bloke I’ve ever heard of that keeps using a razor blade that cuts trenches in his skin big enough to sow potatoes in

  444. July 15, 2014 7:11 pm

    LOL @ Blubbering… 🙂

  445. Blubbering Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:12 pm

    “Ummm … on this momentous occasion I’m having a Johnny Walker and I’m drinking alone.”

    So am I egg but I’m doing it in the private bar on Level 53 of a swank Bangkok
    Hotel.

    French Sav Blanc is before me whilst I catch up on work emails

  446. July 15, 2014 7:15 pm

    (denton)””””””””””””””””’what’s actually happening here. This is not just about a political ideology which the Liberal Party had, it’s actually about an attempt to take away from Australians their voice, their critic and their questioner of those in power, and replace it with an American multinational with an extremely dodgy record and ””a-very-low””(#NO)moral-compass.”””””””””””””””””’

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/13/andrew-dentons-advice-tony-abbott-duck

    #fully agree with denton here, Limited-News derivatives would be an extremely impoverished replacement to my ABC on all levels, including mr-rabbits teabags, who would also struggle like all shit to get coverage of topics that are not in lockstep with Limited-News, while the teabag party deludes itself that the `party-interest` is identical to `Limited-News-interest`, they would quickly find themselves the `junior` partner, much in the way the `nationals` are the impoverished `junior` partner, in most instances #highly.stupid.teabags

    .

    (denton)”””””””””””””I don’t think this government are going to lose the next election. I don’t think there’s an electable opposition,” Denton says.

    “It’s the great tragedy… of our time, that we have the most radical right-wing government that we have ever elected in the history of our country, and a Labor party which apparently stands for nothing.

    “I think there’s a lot of people in the middle, both Liberal and Labor, who are really alarmed at the choices we face.

    “So it’s not just a case of what Tony Abbott’s doing, even though he’s the man in power. There are great questions about the viability and the future of the Labor Party in this country.

    “What makes that even harder is the Greens who have tremendous rhetoric, are strategically not very effective in what they do.”””””””””””””’

    #a pretty good round-up of mr-rabbit and his competition l reckon

  447. Blubbering Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:16 pm

    No matter where you go in the World there will always be a Queensland bogan burping aloud into his 5th Jack Daniels since you sat down

    All class

  448. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:20 pm

    ‘I’m doing it in the private bar on Level 53 of a swank Bangkok Hotel.’

    Good, I’m naturally jealous.

  449. Blubbering Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:22 pm

    Why is it that no matter where you go in the World you will manage to find a classless Queensland bogan male belching aloud into my count of his 5th Jack Daniels in an hour and 15 minutes

  450. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:24 pm

    ‘All class’

    Ugly Australians are no joke.

    Funny, after our lighthearted discussions the other day on a Kandy consortium, a fellow turns up and says he needs to speak to the owner, “I have a consortium and I want to buy this building.”

    Strange coincidence.

  451. Blubbering Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:25 pm

    Oops

    My original bogan queen slander comment finally appeared.

    Are the Thai Generals vetting my comments first ?

    LOL

  452. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:36 pm

    and a Labor party which apparently stands for nothing.

    And we currently have a far right ratbag gubamint intent on unwinding a range of initiatives, that benefited a wide range of Australians, implemented by the party “of nothing”

    😯

    They obviously stand for something, for the far right to be so upset about it all.

    Funny how ‘teh left’ complain about Labor apparently standing for “nothing” so often (comically picked up and amplified by ‘hte right’). Is it just because they don’t fight hard enough for their specific cause?

  453. July 15, 2014 7:37 pm

    sbs1 news, just had Limited-News editor-in-chief of teh-Oz Chris Mitchell on, reporting that teh-oz has 70,000 online subscribers, (l`m assuming paying) which really isn`t much out of a population of 22/23-million, is it. But we will still be flooded by our factless-trolls peddling the teabag yabba-dabba-doo armchair, which has about zero credibility

  454. July 15, 2014 7:41 pm

    “Level 53 of a swank Bangkok Hotel.”

    The Peninsula…?

  455. Blubbering Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:50 pm

    No

    But I can see it below

  456. July 15, 2014 7:53 pm

    The Sheraton…?

  457. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 15, 2014 7:54 pm

    I was in Bangkok recently.

    There’s no surf. Dull.

  458. Blubbering Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 15, 2014 8:00 pm

    The Sheraton is a dump

    Fit only for Bogans

    And we went to the Pen 3 days ago. It was ok but didn’t quite have a good enough stateroom for the Conference we are all at

    Our group are staying in the relaunched/renovated floors of Certain Tower 100 metres from the river

  459. July 15, 2014 8:00 pm

    ”””””’Is it just because they don’t fight hard enough for their specific cause?””””’

    #or is because they have now merely reduced themselves to #teabag-lite status.?

    #with little-to-no difference between the duopoly.?
    (to majority, unrusted, uninterested public)

    #note, l don`t know, (nor care) if denton is unrusted, or rusted to whatever

  460. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 8:13 pm

    or is because they have now merely reduced themselves to #teabag-lite status.?

    #with little-to-no difference between the duopoly.?

    Yet all the current mob can do is try and wind back everything they did. little-to-no difference my arse

  461. July 15, 2014 8:17 pm

    tom-R, the current teabag-lite will still have to overcome the baggage of team joolya,

    http://730reportland.wordpress.com/730reportlands_alp_vote_breakdown/

  462. egg permalink
    July 15, 2014 8:24 pm

    Albo would make a better leader than Shortarse, but they are still a couple of losers.

  463. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 15, 2014 8:26 pm

    “Yet all the current mob can do is try and wind back everything they did.”

    Thank goodness for that. The main aim of the Rudd/Gillard govt was to get us into as much debt as possible as quickly as possible and then brag about how great they were giving taxpayers money to every Tom, Dick and Harry.

    Economic destroyers they were.. Destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of refugees from UNHCR camps will selling our humanitarian places to the highest bidder.

  464. July 15, 2014 8:34 pm

    ”””little-to-no difference my arse”””

    well tom-R, lets just hope your arse

    +doesn`t require medical choof,

    +or iboga,

    +or voluntary euthanasia,

    +want to be gay married,

    +or other `personal Liberty`

    all denied by team teabag as expected, and any or were low hanging fruit for team-kevin07 or team-joolya, but instead, they chose to be teabag-lite #teabags

  465. Tom R permalink
    July 15, 2014 9:00 pm

    +doesn`t require medical choof,

    +or iboga,

    +or voluntary euthanasia,

    +want to be gay married,

    +or other `personal Liberty`

    Thanks teabag.

    Is it just because they don’t fight hard enough for their specific cause?

    But, I know my arse wants, climate action, fair education, fairer working rights, support for those less well off, a more equitable distribution of taxpayer dollars, (and gay marriage)

    Sorry they couldn’t fill ALL of your little basket, but, that doesn’t mean they don’t stand for anything, just that they don’t stand for everything you want.

    But, as for your first three, they are just listening to the experts in the field. Convince the experts, and I’m pretty sure you’ll have Labor on side. They tend to side with them

    Although, I’m pretty sure it is currently possible to have medical marijuana legally, I don’t know much about iboga, and voluntary euthanasia I am currently not a fan of, although, I’m really still on the fence with it. So, in that case, I’ll definitely side with the medical profession.

  466. July 15, 2014 9:19 pm

    Hey Egg without prattling on about the stuff you are banned from deluding yourself about .

    I’m interested to understand why you hate the ABC so much? because as an amateur scientist you seem to be an amateur media analyst…

    or is it because they have to report actual factual science and not share your delusional stupidity..

    Name me one instance in the past 5 years where the ABC have been successfully cited from ACMA for being factually incorrect in reporting?

    Cough up the facts please…. or is it just a “Vibe”?

    The Chaser went to court and was settled.. where are all these infringements of bias? Please provide examples…

  467. July 15, 2014 9:22 pm

    Squeaky Squeal’s still on about debt FFS.. Reb is that your subversive pisstake alter ego… to liven the place up?

  468. July 15, 2014 9:29 pm

    you do realize tom-R that,

    ”””and a Labor party which apparently stands for nothing.”””

    is dentons statement from his matilda post, not mine,

    to the majority, uninterested, unrusted voters, an understandable, fair and `different` basket of `options` need to be offered by `all` teams/candidates,

    (while no matter what others baskets offer, the red or blue team-followers always see their team as `saints` and see the other `team` as evil),

    when it came to the kyoto action, there was a failure to recognize that the window was closing on world-to-act consensus, squandered by the JohnW and GeorgeW regimes. To some of us, the Copenhagen failure was predicted/foreseeable.

  469. July 15, 2014 9:46 pm

    ”””””””””””””The offence was created by Congress after Hicks allegedly committed it – material support for terrorism had never been a war crime before the establishment of the military commissions.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/15/david-hicks-closer-war-criminal-conviction-quashed
    ”””””””””””””””””’

    #dog fcuk teh-usa congress

    ”””””””””””””””””””In 2012 the DPP withdrew the case after it was pointed out that admissions of guilt were inadmissible if they had been procured by “violent, oppressive, inhuman or degrading conduct”.

    Hicks maintained he had been subject to all those abuses at Guantanamo Bay and pleaded guilty only in order to be released from US custody.”””””””””””””””

    #fcuk the canberra banana colony too

  470. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 6:37 am

    ‘I’m interested to understand why you hate the ABC so much? because as an amateur scientist you seem to be an amateur media analyst…’

    I have a Masters in Comm, which has equipped me well over the years. Aunty is generally unbiased and balanced on most things. Primarily its the elephant in the room that I cannot abide.

  471. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 6:46 am

    ‘As 380 inter­national business leaders and policymakers descend on Sydney for the start of the B20 summit today, Mr Goyder said it was ­“really important” that G20 countries commit to reforms to trade, infrastructure investment, human capital and financial ­systems at the heart of the ­recommendations.’

    Hepworth / Oz

  472. Meta permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:08 am

    (Pssst, admitting to having a Masters in Communicationism is only likely to draw attention to the Kandy Konsortium.)

  473. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:25 am

    Fascinating stuff Meta and I expect to receive some biff along the lines of “yer still can’t communicate”.

    —–

    ‘The cause of the hole’s sudden appearance in Yamal – which translates as ‘the end of the world’ – in the far north of Siberia is not yet known.

    ‘There has been web speculation about the crater indicating ‘the arrival of a UFO craft’.
    But one Russian expert says the cause is more likely to be global warming releasing gases under the surface, which then explode like a champagne cork.

    ‘Experts say that the darkening around the inner rim of the crater indicates ‘severe burning’ which scorched its edges.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2693105/Giant-hole-appears-Siberia-Huge-crater-emerges-end-world.html#ixzz37Zfe4I3i
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  474. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:39 am

    On the question of ABC bias, Victoria Rollison sees it from a different viewpoint.

    ‘….an intelligent producer and interviewer would aim to find balance in the very questions they ask, so to provide an insight into the two sides of an argument within the one segment of news that they’ve given over to a particular topic for a limited amount of time.’

    AIMN

  475. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:47 am

    Primarily its the elephant in the room that I cannot abide.</i?

    You mean, because they actually present it without bias?

    Unlike tabot, who of course found his home under the wings of bias incarnate

    Mr Abbott’s misadventures with a typewriter came to a head in 1988 when his editor, David Dale, asked him to rewrite an article five times.

    “Tony couldn’t seem to get the idea that a feature for The Bulletin had to be fair and balanced,” Dale said on Monday. “I told him if he kept going like that he had no future on the magazine.”

    Mr Abbott went on to work briefly in a concrete factory before joining The Australian as an editorial writer.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-old-editor-says-he-lacked-fairness-and-balance-20140714-zt73r.html#ixzz37XqvdbHK

    Interesting that some one with a master can’t do links, don’t you think? Keep it ambiguous 😉

  476. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:48 am

    The Red Mars Kandy Konsortium Meta:?: 😯

  477. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:52 am

    is dentons statement from his matilda post, not mine,

    I was fully aware of that teabag, it was your following comments I was highlighting. Perhaps it was because, perhaps some would say “they stood for nothing”

    Not that I would, but you get my drift 😉

  478. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:52 am

  479. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 8:10 am

    ‘You mean, because they actually present it without bias?’

    So you accept aunty’s premise that the end of the world is nigh?

  480. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 8:36 am

    No wonder the cancer companies and their spivs hate it so much, and resort to lying to try and denigrate it.


    Long-term smokers find plain-packaged cigarettes taste worse

    Australian study also finds smokers can no longer differentiate between brands, saying they all taste the same

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/15/smokers-find-plain-packaged-cigarettes-taste-worse

  481. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 8:37 am

    So you accept aunty’s premise that the end of the world is nigh?

    I don’t accept your premise

  482. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 8:42 am

    ‘I don’t accept your premise’

    That’s fine, but the ABC is publicly funded and should adopt Rollison’s suggestion.

  483. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 9:00 am

  484. July 16, 2014 12:31 pm

    Victoria Rollinson? I put the same question to her and melted like an icecream.. she has a marketing degree…big fucking deal..she like you are not experts on media strategy or procedural delivery, nor (judging by her article) a good journalist. I don’t see that she has worked as a journalist, producer or in any other media organisation other than writing a fucking Blog.

    She So the difference between you and me Egg, is I work in the industry across multi disciplines (TV Radio, Digital and Print and have two masters degrees in Media.. I can smell ballance and bullshit a mile away…

    I have asked the same question of maybe 20 people and nobody can give me a reasonably substantiated answer. Do you know why that is? The ABC have a very strict chain of command and code that has procedural imperatives..if you break it you are fucked.

    So I will take that as a no contest then…

  485. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 12:38 pm

    We agree to disagree.

    I point out that there is an elephant in the room and you think me delusional, concentrate.

  486. July 16, 2014 1:14 pm

    No we disagree about you being a scientist.. The elephant in the room has been addressed at length and in detail on The ABC you just don’t like the answer. What would you have them do slot your beliefs into the childrens programming under fairytales.

    The detractors have had their forum..its newsworthy so the ABC like all the other news and science content providers are gunning for newsworthy stuff..its just the counter culture’s have not cut the mustard…That lying delusional fruitcake Monkton addressed the Press club on the ABC paid for by the IPA ffs…:roll: that is the reality from which you are deluded..there is no elephant, just piles of shit masquerading as some type of counter argument that is demanding the same attention as the overwhelming reality like a crying spoilt child

    I don’t agree to disagree about ABC bias.. because you cannot provide me with any examples of such…Nobody can that is my point..So you are fucking bold faced stone cold wrong. Devoid of factual proof and irrefutably incorrect.

  487. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 5:02 pm

    I’ll put something up out the back if time permits.

  488. July 16, 2014 5:25 pm

    I’ll put something up out the back if time permits.

    Thank all the same but fuck no….I’m sure you and squeal will enjoy reading it, I prefer to stay in the intellectually deep end of the pool and leave the wading pool for those who need floaties and are oblivious to and are just as happy to wade in their own excrement 🙂

  489. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 5:30 pm

    Just take a glimpse, nobody will ever know you were there.

  490. July 16, 2014 5:41 pm

    ”””I have a Masters in Comm,”””

    #no, you `may` have a masters in `dumb`, but they are actually two different things

    .

    ”””which has equipped me well over the years.”””

    #guffaw, then you`re a very easily `satisfied` consumer dumpty,

    .

    ”””Aunty is generally unbiased and balanced on most things.”””

    over at my ABC there is are plenty of faults to be found, just not the bolt-themes you choose to chortle,

    .

    ”””Primarily its the elephant in the room that I cannot abide.”””

    Well dumpty, we found the elephant,

    we even `cornered` the elephant for`ya,

    grab ya`big stick dumpty,

    https://theguttertrash.com/co2-and-you-iv/

    go get it tiger!

  491. July 16, 2014 6:16 pm

    (yes tom-R, l do try to understand `drifts` in the system of political football, in which team-red and their team-followers add goals to their side of the scoreboard when team-blue shoot and `miss`, likewise team `blue` and their team-followers do exactly the same, with many shots at goal taken and missed by both teams, we can rapidly end-up with a scoreboard showing[red.25_blue.25] and much after-match noise will be made by `all` team-followers about which non-goals should or should-not be counted, for those of us unrusted types that tend to prefer honesty, fairness, information and excellence, the scoreboard is actually showing[red.0_blue.0] in the political drift)

  492. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2014 6:46 pm

    It’s fascinating when people use such intelligent analogies as football to explain politics.

  493. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:11 pm

    Politics is a bloodsport.

  494. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:38 pm

    ‘I’m no longer a virgin. In fact I’ve now done it twice this year. I’ve been a panellist on the ABC’s Q&A television show.

    ‘I know that a lot of people on the right side of politics think that all the top ABC current affairs TV shows have been captured by the broad church that is comprised of renewable energy rent-seekers, human rights lawyers and crusaders, big spending Keynesians, university feminists, corporatists, despisers of Murdoch, and inner-city lefties generally. And given that not a single, solitary person with a right of centre background can be found hosting any of these ABC shows, or producing any of them, you can be forgiven for thinking that too. You see in law, where I work, we deal in the appearance of bias, not in bias itself. None of us can see into the heart of another and know for sure his or her motivations. So it’s the “look of the thing” that matters.’

    Jim Allan / Oz

  495. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:44 pm

    And given that not a single, solitary person with a right of centre background can be found hosting any of these ABC shows

    They’re either fucking stoopid, or fucking dumb

    Ulman, the new guy on Media Watch

    And that’s just off the top of my head.

  496. July 16, 2014 8:06 pm

    agree tom-R, they`re fcuking stupid, regurgitating bolt-themes,

    inspect the pay-roll,

    http://730reportland.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/2013-top-abc-salaries-part-one-pdf/

    folks earning this amount of coin don`t tend to remain on teh-left, (if they ever were) and as you said, many of`em `are` teabags, maybe not all of`em biased and looney teabags, (tho toolman fits the mould) and thers also `Lib`tika bourke,

    paul barry from media watch,
    http://730reportland.wordpress.com/2013/11/26/2013-top-abc-salaries-part-two-pdf/

  497. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 8:19 pm

    they`re fcuking stupid, regurgitating bolt-themes,/i>

    It’s like we were saying the other night, if your not to the right of bolt, you’re a lefty.

    It really doesn’t occur to these liifeless culture warriors that most people are just centrist, mainly due to disinterest, but often due to not being keen on discrete ideologies.

    Left and Right both have positives, and possessing a variety of viewpoints that often crosses both lines makes you, in hte Rights eyes, a lefty, and in teh Lefts eyes, standing for nothing.

    I just like to call it selective 😉

  498. July 16, 2014 8:20 pm

    According to the Parliamentary Register of Interests Clive Palmer still owns a stake in dozens of mining concerns.

    These include:
    Mineralogy Pty Ltd, including subsidiaries:

    – Alpha GCP Pty Ltd
    – Anshan Resources Pty Ltd
    – Austeel Pty Ltd
    – Australasian Coal Pty Ltd
    – Balmoral Iron Pty Ltd
    – Bexfan Pty Ltd
    – Blue Star Line Pty Ltd
    – China First Pty Ltd
    – CITIC Holdings Pty Ltd
    – Coal Exports Pty Ltd
    – Cold Mountain Stud Pty Ltd
    – Cosmo Developments Pty Ltd
    – Degulla Coal Pty Ltd
    – Deng Xiaoping Memorial Challenge Pty Ltd
    – Drewmaster Pty Ltd
    – Fairway Coal Pty Ltd
    – Galilee Infrastructure Pty Ltd
    – GCL Projects Pty Ltd
    – Group Coal Pty Ltd
    – IM Investment Holdings Pty Ld
    – Jericho Coal Pty Ltd
    – Mineralogy Candaa Acquisition Corp Pty Ltd
    – Mineraology Environmental management Pty Ltd
    – Mineralogy Mine Management Pty Ltd
    – Nestar Pty Ltd
    – Normanton Pty Ltd
    – Palmer Foundation Pty Ltd
    – Palmer Petroleum Pty Ltd
    – Resource Investments (WA) Pty Ltd
    – Resourcehouse Pty Ltd
    – Thermal Australia Pty Ltd
    – Waratah Coal Pty Ltd
    – Waratah Coking Coal Pty Ltd
    – World Resources Group Pty Ltd
    – Nickel Consolidated Pty Ltd
    – Nickel Processing Pty Ltd
    – Nickel House Pty Ltd, including subsidiaries:
    – QNI Metals Pty Ltd
    – QNI Resources Pty Ltd
    – Queensland Nickel Pty Ltd
    – Queensland Nickel Sales Pty Ltd
    – Queensland North Resorts Australia Pty Ltd
    – QN South Australia Pty Ltd
    – Palmer Aviation Pty Ltd

  499. July 16, 2014 8:27 pm

    Another Lawyer lecturing on bias who is factually correct.. You’re on fire today Egg…Not

  500. July 17, 2014 2:01 am

    Commos Leftist stifling debate?

    A fucking Libertarian…? Fuck off…
    Those who seek power for the sake of power will always fail?
    Tony Abbott
    Take power from the corporate elites?
    Tony Abbott
    Thatcher? Pickles? Abolish the dept of Health and Education…

    Egg thats about perceived bias and ideology.. what the fuck did he say?…
    This bloke is a tory cunt ..fuck this fascist libertarian and the dick he sucked to get there.

  501. July 17, 2014 2:35 am

    Seeing as you are posting ridiculous bullshit.. I think Scott is a bit closer to the truth that that fucking Tory Space Cadet..

  502. July 17, 2014 3:59 am

  503. Grammar's House permalink
    July 17, 2014 7:00 am

    Who knows, Bagz might watch this and absorb some of it by osmosis. Then again, probably not.

  504. Meta permalink
    July 18, 2014 3:45 pm

    (The Buddha has sharp teeth, apparently; although, I’m not sure if that means that the Buddha has more or less derivative-intrinsic majesty elsewhere.)

  505. egg permalink
    July 18, 2014 4:29 pm

    I have vivid memories of Kandy’s Tooth Fairy, beating drums and heavy incense, very impressive. They also have a spare tooth in Singapore, apparently.

    ‘The Buddha Tooth Relic Temple & Museum is a Tang-Styled Chinese Buddhist Temple in the heart of Chinatown. The temple features many facets of Buddhist arts and culture of Singapore. It also houses what the Buddhists regard as the Sacred Buddha Tooth Relic in a stupa weighing 3.5 tonnes and composed of 320 kg of gold donated by devotees.’

  506. egg permalink
    July 18, 2014 4:37 pm

    I also accept that persecution continues, it was a brutal war, but its now up to the authorities to return the country to a semblance of normality, through their justice system, and gaol the Buddhist trouble makers.

  507. egg permalink
    July 18, 2014 7:44 pm

    BEIJING – ‘China’s home prices continued a downward trend in more cities in June, pointing to a sluggish property market that is complicating the broader economy as growth falters, official data showed on Friday.’

    China Daily

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