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July 16, 2014

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  1. egg permalink
    July 16, 2014 12:33 pm

    ‘This is not ‘absolute crap’, Prime Minister. It is the inescapable truth.’

    Bill

  2. July 16, 2014 12:53 pm

    I’m glad you’ve finally come on board egg.

  3. July 16, 2014 1:16 pm

    Me too Reb the cool;aid must be wearing off…

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2014 1:40 pm

    How cozy, a transport company pays a union to harass its competitors. It’s what happens when unions selectively use their muscle and companies use their cash to avoid the excesses of union behaviour.

    Shareholder money is being used to hire union officials to harass companies to extort money for anti-competitive purposes. This story perfectly showcases how collusion between business and unions hampers competition and pushes up the cost of living for Australians.
    Several years ago, Toll executives found themselves under union pressure. The Transport Workers Union was demanding wage rises for workers, but agreeing would push up business costs, which would be passed on to customers. This might mean loss of market share as customers might turn to Toll’s competitors for cheaper services.
    Toll’s choices were grim: say no to the union and face a fight, or give in to the union and lose market share. Someone conceived a third option. Toll would agree to the union demands but would contract the union as hired agents, pay them $50,000 a year via a union-owned third party to spy on, bully and harass Toll’s competition so that they faced higher costs, too.

    The union agreed to act as Toll’s agents; in 2011 the parties signed a three-year contract setting out the terms of the deal. Toll was to pay a $100k a year retainer to an organisation wholly owned by the union, called TEACHO. In addition to the retainer, a performance bonus of up to $50k for each year would be paid, provided the union harassed Toll’s ¬competition.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/little-people-are-the-victims-of-unionbusiness-harassment/story-fnkdypbm-1226990176022#

  5. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 2:11 pm

    ROFL @ yomm.

    They actually wrote this as a lead in to the “story”. In the oz 😆

    THIS is a true story

    You sure she didn’t have her fingers crossed behind her back?

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  6. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 2:13 pm

    But Electricity Bills Hysteria goes to EleventyOne surely? 😯

    🙂

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2014 3:31 pm

    Yes, but are you willing to use terms like-
    *It’s a beat up
    *He/they didn’t do it
    *Think of the baby

  8. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:17 pm

    Yes, but are you willing to use terms like-
    *It’s a beat up

    DOH!, I’ll go with that one.

    A trucking company pays a Union to do what a Union does, audit trucking companies. 😯

    I’m still cacking meself over the idiot journo who starts a beat up with THIS is a true story

    ROFL Somehow, I’m not convinced. I’m not denying the facts are not accurate, but I would very heavily question the implications (which make up most of the “story”) that have been drawn from those facts. It’s a triple jump from reality to the oz.

    A Union, checking companies to make sure they are adhering to safety regulations. Who ever heard of such Underworld actions

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  9. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:21 pm

    BilleventyOne!

    Go Team!

  10. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:27 pm

    It’s a bribe – “If you go and bother them (not us so much) we’ll pay you lots of money”

  11. July 16, 2014 7:27 pm

    ”””””””””””””THIS is a true story about despicable corporate cowardice and appalling executive conduct.

    Shareholder money is being used to hire union officials to harass companies to extort money for anti-competitive purposes.”””””””””””””””

    .

    # l repeat,

    .

    ””””””true story about despicable corporate cowardice and appalling executive conduct.””””””’

    .

    #seems ya`even have less nads than Limited-News these days yomm, they didn`t `omit` the corporate, boardroom aspect of the corruption like you did. #teabags

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:29 pm

    “…keep Qantas working well”

    There has been no time in the past 2 or 3 decades that Qantas has “worked well”

    Shorten really has no idea.

  13. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:34 pm

    It’s a bribe

    If you believe a “journalist who has to try and tell her readers THIS is a true story

    Else, it’s a mongrel truck company paying a Union for safety accreditation, and putting a clause in that requires the Union to ….. do what a Union does anyway?

    ROFL

    Really, its playschool stuff. How petty (and obvious) are these spivs?

    And, from the oz, you know that we will never get the true story

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  14. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:35 pm

    Qantas has “worked well”, unfortunately, it’s management hasn’t

  15. July 16, 2014 7:38 pm

    ””””””””””””This three-year contract worked well for Toll because when it expired they entered into a second one. In 2013, another contract with the union was signed, this time for four years and again with a retainer of $100k a year and a possible bonus of $50k a year. However, when it came to the harassment quota, Toll upped the ante.”””””””””””

    .

    #sorry tom-R, this smells like corruption to me, both union and corporate, (our usual suspect that `discovered` this report won`t have the nads to acknowledge the corporate side of the corruption tho) #teabags

  16. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:39 pm

    they didn`t `omit` the corporate, boardroom aspect of the corruption like you did.

    I read another one earlier about Bikies apparently blocking in a builder.

    After much talk of Unions and other allegations, turns out it was a rival builder blocking in the builder. Had nothing at all to do with Unions. But they got a big mention in the story

    The smear is on.

  17. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 7:40 pm

    this smells like corruption to me

    And the oz wins again 😦

  18. July 16, 2014 7:53 pm

    while Limited-News often behaves in an `underwhelming` manner, they don`t usually throw open their cheque book for the libel courts, (which if untrue toll, twa and teacho would win)

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2014 8:03 pm

    “twa”

    ???

    The old US airline is involved?

    (or just another example of illiteracy?)

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 16, 2014 8:10 pm

    Qantas is beset with intractable problems that won’t be resolved while ever its finances are checked every minute on the ASX. It has little appetite for the level of reform required to salvage commercial stability.

    Takeover by a foreign airline is about the only future it has (in my opinion)

  21. Tom R permalink
    July 16, 2014 8:14 pm

    they don`t usually throw open their cheque book for the libel courts

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  22. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 7:56 am

    Ramp up the Hyzteria on this Billy Boy. Electricity Bill won’t be giving you $550 dollars will it!

    Industry groups have been reassured by the competition watchdog that it has “no intention” of pursuing businesses outside the energy sector to enforce price reductions after the repeal of the carbon tax.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/carbon-tax-repeal-industry-reassured-it-wont-be-pursued-on-price-cuts?CMP=twt_gu

    So many Lies, so little time.

  23. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 7:59 am

    And I know the libs will blame this on Labor, but will the media tow the line as is their wont, or will they inform us of the real culprit

    Hint, don’t legislate spending until you have legislated paying for it 😉

    Mr Richardson says the budget situation has “gone backwards” already.

    “The budget is in a lot of trouble,” he said.

    “What’s happening in the Senate right now is bigger than people realise. The budget was big news with the savings it was making.

    “In fact, the Senate looks like it’s blocking enough things that the savings the Government was going to make across the four years, they’ve completely disappeared, and more.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-16/deadlock-leaves-government-facing-300b-budget-hole/5602580

    Meanwhile, the Senate is locked in a tired old debate that removes more money from the budget. And it is all Labors fault ❓

  24. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:03 am

    “The budget is in a lot of trouble,” he said.

    Oh my dog, a real emergency.

  25. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:08 am

    And the “adults” have run to daddy to see how economies work.
    (Apparently, it’s more of an art form than a science 😉 )

    Perhaps next they will be asking Julia Gillard how to negotiate with a sexist megalomaniac?

    Former prime minister John Howard will return to Parliament House to advise a select group of Government MPs on how to successfully prosecute economic reform.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/24470906/john-howard-to-tutor-modest-members-about-economic-reform-over-parliament-house-dinner/?source=wan

  26. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:11 am

    Oh my dog, a real emergency.

    Well, if Mohammed won’t come to the Mountain……..

  27. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:19 am

    As Johnny Howard once said: “Be careful what you wish for.”

  28. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:25 am

    Filibustering in the Senate, but no worries, they have agreed to ‘extend sitting hours after Friday and keep coming back until this is resolved. They were due to start a 5 week break on Friday.’

  29. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:28 am

    “Be careful what you wish for.”

    I AGREE!

    And hockey just might wish us all into where he has been claiming we have been for the past six years.

    I guess if you say it long enough, it might come true.

    Especially if you are now the numb nuts actually responsible for these things

  30. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:50 am

    Its all good. I’ve been channelling scaper, who has a mate on the back bench, and he reckons the Coalition is at ease.

  31. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:58 am

    Well Labor were economic vandals in govt and now they are economic vandals in Opposition. They seem to believe there is no budget crisis or don’t care.

  32. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 9:11 am

    snacty’s mates lol

    Labor were economic vandals in govt

    Worlds.Best.Treasurer. 🙂

    Do they have one for the world’s worst?

  33. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 9:20 am

    ‘Amid the concerns over ill-discipline and mixed messaging, new Liberal senator James McGrath has set out a radical libertarian program in his maiden speech, calling for the GST rate to rise to 15 per cent, federal health and education departments to be abolished and the ABC to be sold if it fails to address perceived left-wing bias.’

    Kenny and Massola / Canberra Times

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2014 9:21 am

    Shorten sounded completely flummoxed on AM this morning.

    Ulhmann quizzed him about now opposing the spending cuts that had been planned by the ALP in government. He waffled incoherently but Ulhmann really didn’t press him, it was very gentle by Ulhmann.

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2014 9:21 am

    Like i said Labor were economic vandals in govt and are now economic vandals in Opposition.

    By the way TomR has there ever been a Labor govt either State or Federal that has reduced debt??

    Lets say start at 1980. That gives you 35 years of ALP govts where they have been in power for the majority of time.

  36. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 9:40 am

    I see the oz has some “confidential” analysis that claims “The nation’s richer suburbs would pay more of the fuel tax ­increase while proceeds worth billions of dollars would be spent across poorer areas, including ­regional Australia.”

    They mention Deloitte Access Economics, but it is not clear where this “analysis” came from

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/rich-will-bear-load-of-fuel-excise-change/story-fn59nsif-1226991561491?nk=5eff587b986deebd1335cc17ece5e2ed

    Mind you, perhaps, per household, they will most probably pay more in actual dollar terms, but definitely not in percentage of income, which is what hurts. I also wonder if they have taken into account what richer families are able to claim? Considering their history, all valid questions imo. But, they have their headline, and that’s all they need. The seeds of doubt are planted. That is their aim.

    Probably a good time then to revisit this, the last time the oz made a bold claim.

    The Fairfax media group is reporting this morning findings from the National Drugs Strategy Household Survey that show smoking levels are in decline. Not at all surprisingly, the numbers from the NDSHS dovetail with the hard data on the volume of tobacco consumed from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Those data show that the volume of tobacco consumed is 5.3 per cent lower in the March quarter 2014 compared with the December quarter 2012.

    What is interesting is the fact that the NDSHS survey was conducted between July and December 2013, before the 12.5 per cent rise in tobacco excise took effect. The authors of the report noted: “We know that that tax has a lot of influence over consumption so it’s really important that the data was collected before that”.

    “The only thing that happened in the 12 months before that was the introduction of plain packaging laws.”

    http://www.thekouk.com/blog/how-good-is-this-95-of-12-17-year-olds-have-never-smoked.html

  37. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 9:52 am

    Shorten sounded completely flummoxed on AM this morning.

    Are you sure he just wasn’t using words with more than two syllables in it yomm?

    I can understand how trying that can be 😉

  38. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 10:18 am

    ‘….it was very gentle by Ulhmann.’

    I’ve been hearing stories around the traps for years that Uhlmann is a Rightard, its all so confusing.

  39. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 10:22 am

    I’ve been hearing stories around the traps for years that Uhlmann is a Rightard,

    Has he ever lied to a liberal PM in order to try and push his barrow?

  40. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 10:23 am

    WHY does the oz not run this on their front page?

    A dramatic decline in smoking rates has coincided with the introduction of plain-packaging laws.

    The daily smoking rate plunged from 15.1 per cent to 12.8 per cent between 2010 and 2013, according to the largest and longest-running national survey on drug statistics.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/plunge-in-smoking-attributed-to-plain-packaging-20140716-ztqht.html

    Instead, they “inform” their readers with dodgy data from cancer creators, and ignore the reliable stuff. You’d almost think they want to keep their readers stupid for some reason.

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2014 10:54 am

    Actually one thing i am starting to think about is that the Coalition should not try to balance the budget. What is the point? Once the budget is back under control greedy Australians who want more services will vote the economic vandals back in again.

    Jeff Kennet and Howard/Costello showed what Australian do to govts who run surplus budgets.

    Well it looks like goodbye AAA credit rating thanks the the economic vandals in the Senate and the people who voted for them.

  42. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 10:58 am

    Actually yomm, i just listened to that Shorten interview.

    He did waffle on a like pratt, and couldn’t answer some pretty simple questions. 😦

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2014 11:38 am

    Yes, prattling is a good way to describe Shorten on AM.

    I think Ulhmann’s gentleness will be used as evidence of his right wing agenda – that the ‘right’ doesn’t want to undermine Shorten, because he is so ineffective.

  44. July 17, 2014 11:46 am

    I’ve been hearing stories around the traps for years that Uhlmann is a Rightard, its all so confusing.

    Hmm ya think? Bit slow on the uptake but There may just be hope for you yet 🙂

    Actually one thing i am starting to think about as I desperately try and defend this indefensible bunch of fuckwits masquerading as a government is that the Coalition should not try and tell porkies to scare people on the balance the budget premise to try and socially engineer compliant teabag nation of sycophants like me.

    Well said Squeal, I agree they’re a sneaky lot of fibbers aren’t they

    What is the point? The budget was under control and they filled my head with surplus information whilst they sought to design a master race of teabag lawyers marching to the Newscorp drum in a teabag goosestep.

    Yes keep your eye on the ball Squeal, they lied and didn’t even buy you chow mein with a nice aldi plonk 😦 That fist up your arse is not your inner gay economist coming out like the thorpedo at a catholic picnic, its the faux fox fear fist of teabag sock puppetry got you parrot squealing their propaganda. What is the point indeed.

    Greedy Australians who want more services will vote the economic vandals back in again.

    Yeah I agree, The teabaggers have it right..pretend everyone under 30 don’t exist…Put it all back on the states and bring back corporal punishment and a jolly old catholic rogering.. we don’t need all those over priced hospitals, schools and telephones.. its communism unless their mates are running them..

    Fucking greedy working class… who do they think they are, born to rule? Teabags will decide who is greedy and what they can and can’t afford… they should make no apology for that….

  45. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 11:47 am

    PERNICIOUS TAX AXED

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2014 12:01 pm

    I’m already tired of bill shorten, well I was never into the smarmy labor leader, I would have preferred albo, I don’t think he would have played such a small target as to be invisible and useless.
    Christine milne seems to be the legitimate opposition, she’s the only one taking the libs to task. Shorten just wants to be so amicable that he’ll be voted in because everybody hates tony. If that happens, labor will have learned nothing from the last few years. Shorten is a direct result of back room machinations anyway, he wasn’t the popular choice.
    We’ve got an extreme right wing government taking the country into teabag politics, we need someone who will shout it out loud.

    Abbott’s Tea Party and Australia’s true political spectrum:
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbotts-tea-party-and-australias-true-political-spectrum,6676

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2014 12:32 pm

    Is it an affectation? – “furver to that point, I’d like to make anuvver one”

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2014 12:57 pm

    The Carbon Tax is gone

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 17, 2014 12:57 pm

    Must be an impediment I think because it’s noticeable, he’s been public speaking for years, he would have tried to change it if he could [you’d think].

  50. July 17, 2014 1:04 pm

    Now everyone gets to find out that they’ll get fuck all back. They might even realise that the tax was not nearly as pernicious or imposing as they were mislead to believe.
    They might also wonder at all of the businesses who passed on the supposed cost to them won’t be giving back anytime soon; carbon tax or not.

    ALP lies compounded by Abbott lies…and it’s the consumer who gets it in the neck, again.

    Hands up who really thinks it will mean substantial savings to the average household? Abbottian zealots need not reply…I already know what you’re going to claim.

  51. Tom of Melbonrne permalink
    July 17, 2014 1:07 pm

    I met Shorten numerous times, before he went into parliament. I didn’t notice his ‘uvver’ impediment then. But I’m not very observant.

  52. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 1:34 pm

    ‘Hands up who really thinks it will mean substantial savings to the average household?’

    dunno and don’t care

  53. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 1:40 pm

    The Carbon Tax is gone

    Well, there blows another hole in the budget.

    And I guess that’s all Labors fault 😯

    And the numpty’s celebrate and don’t care that we have been lied to.

  54. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 1:42 pm

    Something to ponderously ponder

    Now we’re back to our Howard-era role as an international greenhouse vandal.

    We’re also imposing higher costs on our children and their descendants; the longer we delay the process of decarbonising our economy — and one day, we will need to decarbonise it, like it or not — the higher the costs. Or at least, that’s the view of environazis like the Federal Treasury and the International Energy Agency.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/07/17/carbon-repeal-a-generational-failure-of-leadership/

    On the upside, tabot now has absolutely nothing he stands for 🙂

  55. Meta permalink
    July 17, 2014 3:09 pm

    (“”Amid the concerns over ill-discipline and mixed messaging….””

    What’s up with that, Skippy; the Maldives are surfing, not drowning?)

  56. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2014 3:39 pm

    The problem with the carbon tax (in my opinion) wasn’t that it existed – it’s entirely reasonable to ‘do something’

    The problem was the ALP’s hopeless policy inconsistency. There were countless u-turns, capped off with Gillard’s dishonesty (or complete incompetence).

    The ALP f**ked it.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2014 3:42 pm

    hmmm…my comment disappeared!

    Does Tom R have editorial control?

  58. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 3:43 pm

    Does Tom R have editorial control?

    I CONTROL ALL!

    (just don’t tell reb 😉 )

  59. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 3:45 pm

    The ALP f**ked it.

    Yep, all the ALP’s fault.

    Although, now might be time to reflect and see just which party (major OR minor) has consistently voted for a ets? There is only one.

    Now, apparently, that is “inconsistency” ❓ 😯

  60. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 4:12 pm

    ‘it’s entirely reasonable to ‘do something’

    I beg to differ.

  61. July 17, 2014 4:17 pm

  62. July 17, 2014 4:17 pm

  63. July 17, 2014 6:25 pm

    ”””Its all good. I’ve been channelling scaper”””

    well that makes a nice change dumpty,

    usually you`re being ploughed by bolt

  64. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 6:35 pm

    I rarely read Bolt.

  65. July 17, 2014 6:53 pm

    ”””I’m already tired of bill shorten,”””’
    yeah, me too armchair,
    .
    ”””I would have preferred albo,”””
    it`s a big club 🙂
    .
    ”””labor will have learned nothing from the last few years.”””
    agree, it does seem like that,
    .
    .
    ”””””””Shorten is a direct result of back room machinations anyway, he wasn’t the popular choice.”””””””
    yep, agree,
    http://730reportland.wordpress.com/730reportlands_alp_vote_breakdown/

    and shortman won`t be able to gather the voters that dropped the alp last time,

    as he was a major driver of why voters kicked`em to the curb, being up to his ears in the knifings, both joolya-followers and kevin07-followers don`t like shortman #yay-caucus-you-dumb-fcuks

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2014 6:53 pm

    apparently, that is “inconsistency”

    • Greatest moral challenge
    • No it isn’t
    • Government “lost its way”
    • We’ll have a big committee figure it out
    • (What was the date for a “carbon price” again?)
    • No carbon tax
    • Yes, we’ll have a carbon tax

    Of 147 members of the HoR, Adam Bandt was the only one to specifically stand on a platform of a carbon tax, the other 146 had a platform opposing one, or equivocating.

    Despite it being supported (before the elections) by 1 out of 147, we got it. That’s either incompetent or dishonest.

  67. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 7:00 pm

    Of 147 members of the HoR, Adam Bandt was the only one to specifically stand on a platform of a carbon tax

    Yes, and Labor stood on a platform of an ets. Which is what we got.

    Despite it being supported (before the elections) by 1 out of 147, we got it

    No, what we got was an ets. We didn’t get the Carbon Tax Bandt wanted, we got the ets Gillard promised.

    Just because the media wanted to call it something different, doesn’t change what it was. Labors biggest failure (apart from not calling a DD) was accepting the name, or allowing a petulant media to reframe what it was.

    The media need to accept their role in this. They won’t of course.

    Has Labor EVER voted against an ets? Labor has been consistent, over the past three elections on introducing an ets.

    They lost the semantic, and therefore the political, battle. That doesn’t change their position. And it looks as if they will be supporting an ets, again, at the next election.

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 17, 2014 7:08 pm

    How very sanguine of you Tom R!!

    o Where’s the “community consensus” that Gillard promised?
    o The big committee?
    o She committed not to introduce a price before June 2013
    o “No carbon tax”

    You prefer to argue about 1 or the 4 policy components, and even that was a very conditional commitment.

  69. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 7:14 pm

    Albo is okay but he’s yesterday’s man, believes carbon dioxide is a pollutant. What the party needs is a clean skin woman, Plibersek comes to mind even though she’s a CC zealot.

  70. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 7:27 pm

    ‘And it looks as if they will be supporting an ets, again, at the next election.’

    For the sake of the Party he has to fall on his sword and the new leader will need to abandon this folly.

  71. July 17, 2014 7:34 pm

    ”””And it looks as if they will be supporting an ets, again, at the next election.”””

    And what that shows tom-R, is the teabag-lites aren`t learning.

    While it pains me to inflate his ego, yomm seems more correct, (yes team-followers can end-up being correct, much in the way an unwound clock manages to be correct twice a day) and the `issue` is toxic, and only fools will stick with it.

    A much better alternative would be to `approve` funds for stand-alone power systems (start-with-the-poorest) and get people of the grid, let the cranks have the grid, and let them pay for it too, this is already underway anyway.

  72. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 7:48 pm

    ‘A much better alternative would be to `approve` funds for stand-alone power systems’

    Fusion power is our best hope and it would be commercially viable, but no government funds should be spent on other forms of renewables when we have an abundance of coal.

  73. July 17, 2014 8:08 pm

    sorry dumpty, your paid-per-mindless-coal-chanting is only going to leave you paying bigger power bills to ya`coal sponsors, or shelling-out for ya`own off-grid system, take a look at our blog-buddy`s here dumpty, two already have their own power system, and l aspire to. You dumpty, kneel and yomm will have to cover ya`coal sponsors shortfall in profit.

  74. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:16 pm

    and the `issue` is toxic, and only fools will stick with it.

    I think that you will find it is not ‘toxic’, and that, as people see the rest of the world implementing trading schemes, and us missing out, when we could have been a leader, the truth of hte matter will come clear.

    We wer never ‘going it alone’, as the libs and their media mates constantly lied to us. The world was never ‘moving away’ from trading schemes, as ulman once lied to Gillard. And Whyalla remains where it is.

    It was in this poisoned environment, fed and agitated by deniers and a complicit media, that the unrest for the ‘carbon tax’ came about. Once the reality of the impact became apparent, the fear dissipated, but was replaced by budget emergency and internal duplicity.

    The last election was not about getting rid of the Carbon Tax, it was about getting rid of Labor, or, more specifically, the daily soap opera of doom, gloom and imminent disaster that our pathetic media ran around the Government.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/most-support-emissions-trading-20130721-2qcr9.html

    The last election was the culmination of 3+ years of rabid opposition, gutless internal machinations from a proven weasel, and an unhinging within the media never seen before, and hopefully never seen again.

    Once the big lie of promised rivers of gold from it’s abatement, and continued examples of extreme weather events take hold, we will look back and wonder, why?

    Labor will support an ets next election. Hopefully, the nation wakes up in time. They will stick with it because the scientists tell us that climate change is real, and economists tell us that an ets is the best way to tackle the problem. And they will stick with it because they are the party who has been the most consistent with it all this time.

    And we will come back full circle (but I’ll cross my fingers just in case) 😉

  75. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:27 pm

    ‘two already have their own power system’

    That’s nice, government subsidised?

  76. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:36 pm

    ‘They will stick with it because the scientists tell us that climate change is real, and economists tell us that an ets is the best way to tackle the problem. And they will stick with it because they are the party who has been the most consistent with it all this time.’

    If they follow your advice the Party is doomed and history will show it was that disgusting affair with the Greens which brought it about.

  77. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:38 pm

    “And Whyalla remains where it is.”

    It was the AWU who said Whyalla would be wiped off the map

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/news/carbon-tax-will-destroy-major-centres-such-as-port-pirie-and-whyalla/story-e6frg6p6-1226041270107

    THE state’s two key industrial cities will be “wiped off the map” by a carbon tax, a major union warns.

    The tax would strip thousands of jobs from Whyalla and Port Pirie, the Australian Workers Union state secretary Wayne Hanson said………………..”Goodbye. They will be off the map,” he said.”

  78. Tom R permalink
    July 17, 2014 8:55 pm

    It was the AWU who said Whyalla would be wiped off the map

    It was tabot who repeated it ad nauseum

    The carbon tax was in place for scarcely 25 months. In that time, it lowered Australian carbon emissions by between 11 and 17 million tonnes, according to this ANU study.

    Price rises flowing from the carbon tax were negligible.

    So small was the impact of the carbon tax on prices, in October last year the Australian Bureau of Statistics reported that it couldn’t measure it.

    ………

    All that is in ruins now. The carbon tax has been repealed, but, as Lenore Taylor notes, the Abbott government has nothing credible to take its place.

    As we’ve long argued here at New Matilda, Greg Hunt’s Direct Action policy is a joke, and everyone knows it.

    It can’t work: it has no cap on emissions, no price on carbon, and no valid mechanism of ensuring greenhouse gas reductions.

    https://newmatilda.com//2014/07/17/abbott-axed-tax-and-it-whats-left-his-credibility

    This is where the game now is. An empty vessel is all we have.

  79. July 17, 2014 9:14 pm

    ”””And Whyalla remains where it is.”””and so do the deniers, and so do the teabags, and so does teabag-lite. Everybody is staying exactly where they were several years ago, and all lack the leadership to move the issue `globally` now that the kyoto-global-consensus window has shut tight. lnstead, countries, and industries, and individuals have taken control of the issue, and placing their own interests first, as the issue relates to them.

    .

    ”””I think that you will find it is not ‘toxic””’to team-followers maybe, but to the unrusted, the topic is toxic, and so is shortman too. Sticking with toxic topic and toxic shortman may keep them in the wilderness, it won`t win the unrusted, and won`t win the team-followers of team-joolya or team-kevin07 back. This tends to show how little teabag-lite have learned from their own experience.

  80. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 9:19 pm

    It appears the Senate will reject DAP, so Abbott can happily walk away without having been seriously tarnished by mass delusion.

  81. egg permalink
    July 17, 2014 9:40 pm

    Reading between the lines, Plan B is a cert.

    ‘The PUP leader has described its direct action plan as a “waste of money” and could pose a problem when the policy eventually reaches the Senate.

    ‘Environment Minister Greg Hunt is confident the upper house will legislate the $2.55 billion policy.

    “We have a plan A and we’re sticking with plan A,” he told reporters.

    AAP

  82. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 17, 2014 9:49 pm

    “It was tabot who repeated it ad nauseum

    Did he?? I actually do not know. Maybe it was the media who repeated it ad nauseum. Nevertheless it was the AWU (Wayne Hanson) who said Whyalla would be wiped off the map because of the Carbon Tax.

    The purpose of the Carbon Tax was to make coal produced electricity so expensive that people would try other sources of power. It made our manufacturing industry less competitive. That was its whole purpose.

  83. July 17, 2014 10:33 pm

    ”””””””””””’The last election was the culmination of 3+ years of rabid opposition, gutless internal machinations from a proven weasel, and an unhinging within the media never seen before””””””””””””’

    While this is true tom-R, it is only half the story, as told by cheering team-followers. lt was `also` the culmination of `about` 6-years of continual teabag-lite errors. Kevin07 couldn`t control himself, continually making media announcables and micro-managing everything with his gang-of-4. The party and `faceless`hacks arse-fcuked themselves by knifing kevin07, who was highly popularly `chosen` by the voters. lf the knifing was inevitable, the next error was NOT sending ALL of the gang-of-4 to the back-bench for at least a full term. lnstead, they arse-fcuked themselves `again` by putting gang-of-4-joolya in charge and kept gang-of-4-swan in place. Tanner and a couple of others realized that if it was not the end, it WAS the beginning of the end. Then there was the endless parading of folks like nanny-roxon, fronting the media to tell us the great volumes of `disarray` they were in, to justify the knifing. Still not satisfied with the amount of shooting their own feet, numerous sound-bites were made during the election like,

    `there will be no carbon tax under a govt l lead` and instead of just stating plainly they had to drop that commitment in forming govt negotiations, team-joolya chose to try and weasel-word their way out with bullshit like `carbon-price`. By this stage the public had had enough and reviving kevin07 wasn`t going to help. Mr-rabbit didn`t get in for his genius, his great ideas, or because he was `loved` by the public. Like most elections, he slid in because the public had enough of the `other` lot.

  84. Meta permalink
    July 17, 2014 11:41 pm

    (It appears the Senate will reject DAP, so Abbott can happily walk away without having been seriously tarnished by mass delusion….Reading between the lines, Plan B is a cert.

    I don’t know; maybe a passionate, lifelong libertarian like Senator McGrath can assist an LNP Government to obtain all the promise and to avoid all the pitfall of DAP green-tape there, too; which is to say, while IA might have overlooked it, Senator McGrath does also come to politics with a wealth of experience as a public servant who worked for years and years in an EPA under a State Labor Government, and does also have a niche LL.M (Environmental Law) acquired through the EPA’s government-subsidised professional development program, to draw upon, if and when expert advocacy for policy direct action might be required in any hypothetical Senate debate on that or like matters; who knows, Senator McGrath’s strategic value in the Senate might even go up and up and up if Electricity Bill does persist in an anti-green-coal policy agenda through to the blooming of a thousand electoral flowers in the Spring of 2016.)

  85. July 17, 2014 11:50 pm

    (When sniffing in the garden of the blooming of a thousand electoral flowers in the Spring of 2016, the scent of the snap-dragons will smell nice to him.)

  86. July 18, 2014 1:11 am

    It was the AWU who said Whyalla would be wiped off the map

    The Lying Habbitt Wiping Squeals memory

    Did he?? I actually do not know Conveniently quote to suite my faithfully complicent lies because I’m a monumentally vindictive fucktard with no idea

    I wouldnt go spending that $550 in a hurry. They may be cheering a win for the teabag vindication , but they in the process have regressed Australia into the dark ages where Egg and Squeal cluelessly lurk. Abbott has no shame, that $550 dollar promise will be his political millstone that will drown him..good riddance too.

  87. egg permalink
    July 18, 2014 8:07 am

    ‘if and when expert advocacy for policy direct action might be required in any hypothetical Senate debate’

    It was his maiden speech and I can safely predict he’ll be on the front bench as quick as a flash and gagged, except for his portfolio.

  88. July 18, 2014 8:59 am

    Bad reporting of bad news today.
    Flight MH17 crash (probable shot down) in ukraine near russia border.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 9:13 am

    I’ll be interested to know why passenger aircraft are flying over a war zone. Aviation regulators stop aircraft flying near the Indonesian archipelago when a volcano lets off a little steam, but they still fly over war zones in Ukraine!

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 9:18 am

    Airlines across the world on Thursday night imposed a no-fly zone over Ukraine as questions grew over why passenger jets were flying over the war zone three months after pilots were warned to avoid it.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/mh17-disaster-flights-over-war-zones-because-its-cheaper-20140718-zua0y.html#ixzz37lqTwYJJ

    It’s a reason to fly Qantas, or another quality airline. I have no doubt that Qantas wouldn’t ignore this type of warning.

  91. July 18, 2014 9:40 am

  92. July 18, 2014 9:52 am

    ”””””””””””’Mr Flynn said airlines can elect to avoid an area even if it’s not closed, but that he did not believe any had chosen to do so in eastern Ukraine.

    “I’m not aware of any airlines that were specifically avoiding that area,” he said.

    Norman Shanks, a former head of group security at airports group BAA, said: “Malaysia Airlines, like a number of other carriers, has been continuing to use it because it is a shorter route, which means less fuel and therefore less money. Attacks on aircraft in the area have been rife. In the past week alone two Ukrainian military aircraft were shot down and a third was damaged by a missile.

    Immediately after the crash yesterday, four more airliners followed the same path and did not re-route, they were flights for Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Kazakhstan Airlines and Etihad.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/mh17-disaster-flights-over-war-zones-because-its-cheaper-20140718-zua0y.html#ixzz37lqTwYJJ
    ”””””””””””””””””””

    So basically the stupid fcuks running the airlines have been `begging` to be blasted out of the sky for months by flying over a war-zone. (must be the unions fault)

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 10:13 am

    What a f**kwit comment – that it isn’t the fault of those shooting missiles at the passenger aircraft.

    You really are a f**kwit.

  94. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2014 10:43 am

    So, the greed of big airlines has resulted in them flying over dangerous routes. Who’d have thought.

    Interestingly, we have seen nothing about this on our “news”. Lots about baden-clay, nothing about the constantly unfolding catastrophe in the Ukraine, that might just go to another level after his.

    And our educated fools watching the news will be wondering “how did this happen”

    It’s been simmering for weeks apparently, and russia have had their paws all over it.

    Things could get very messy real quick.

  95. egg permalink
    July 18, 2014 10:53 am

    They could TR, that’s why we are cultivating good relations elsewhere just in case.

    ‘TROOPS from China’s People’s Liberation Army will for the first time stage joint military exercises with the Australian army and United States forces — and they will take place on Australian soil in October.

    ‘The decision to hold what will be known as “Exercise Kowari” in northern Australia was finalised during yesterday’s visit to Canberra by a high level Chinese military delegation headed by General Fan Changlong, the vice chair of China’s Central Military Commission and one of China’s most senior military officers.’

    Nicholson / Oz

  96. July 18, 2014 10:55 am

    Feel free to take all the joy-flights over war-zones you want yomm.

    l won`t be joining you.

  97. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2014 11:06 am

    that’s why we are cultivating good relations elsewhere

    Someone should tell the foreign minister, I don’t think she got the memo

  98. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 11:11 am

    Yeah right – just don’t blame those shooting missiles at civilian aircraft carrying 300 people.

    It’s just more proof of your f**kwittery. Now we’ll watch you walk away from your comment, as usual.

  99. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2014 11:28 am

    So yomm, are you saying that CEO’s who ignore warning about assholes shooting at planes aren’t responsible at all?

    Of course the idiot with the gun is responsible, but so is the idiot who lets their planes fly over the other idiot.

    We could also blame those who get on the planes but, as I alluded to above, not many are actually informed of the current state of affairs. They are trusting in the common sense of the airlines. Of course, considering that one airline chose to strand it’s entire customer base in order to play a political game, trusting in airlines is only for the foolish. I used to, I am now very wary of them.

  100. July 18, 2014 11:36 am

    oh yomm, your cock-gobbling of management knows no bounds,

    only imbeciles fly over established battlefields and war-zones, particularly when military aircraft are involved in bombing operations,

    obviously jumpy ground crew will be shooting first, asking questions later

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 11:37 am

    Tom R, I’ve already commented on the irresponsibility/negligence of flying over a war zone, and I’m aware of how airlines always try to minimise fuel costs, and this is an example of cost reduction induced negligence.

    What I’m objecting to is the stupidity of teabagz comment – ‘wrongly blame…’

    It’s bizarre, but no doubt he’ll walk away from it. He always does.

  102. egg permalink
    July 18, 2014 11:43 am

    ‘I don’t think she got the memo’

    Bishop is up to speed, but can’t say much because the Americans are sensitive.

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2014 11:46 am

    “The Lying Habbitt Wiping Squeals memory

    It was the AWU who said Whylla would be wiped off the map. Abbott just repeated what the Union said. Of course the media always repeated Abbotts statement but it was the AWU who said it first.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/16/bill-shorten-ramps-up-the-hysteria-to-eleventy/#comment-66067

    THE state’s two key industrial cities will be “wiped off the map” by a carbon tax, a major union warns.

    The tax would strip thousands of jobs from Whyalla and Port Pirie, the Australian Workers Union state secretary Wayne Hanson said………………..”Goodbye. They will be off the map,” he said.

  104. July 18, 2014 11:47 am

    not running from anything, and don`t have a clue what you think l am `running`from

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 11:55 am

    You’ll run from this – “Half-wits on my ABC wrongly blame Warriors and Weapon Suppliers..

    What an imbecilic thing to say – “wrongly blame” the people who used a missile to shoot down a civilian aircraft

  106. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2014 12:02 pm

    “wrongly blame” the people who used a missile to shoot down a civilian aircraft

    yep, my bad yomm, I didn’t see the twit eer tweet.

    Wrongly “share” the blame perhaps, but yes, the “warriors” and “weapon suppliers” are more(?) to blame.

    Guns don’t kill people, unless you are standing at the wrong end of one with a fuckwit at the other end.

    And if you see fuckwit with a gun, don’t bloody well send someone else near it. Else, you’ll share the blame 😉

  107. July 18, 2014 12:04 pm

    l don`t need to `run` from it dummy,

    you show you cannot distinguish a tweet on a blog,

    or you don`t know tweets are limited to 140 letters #teabags

  108. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2014 12:06 pm

    Of course the media always repeated Abbotts statement but it was the AWU who said it first.

    The AWU said something stupid.

    A bigger idiot repeated it, numerous times. Who’s the biggest moron now?

  109. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 12:16 pm

    As predicted, teabagz runs away.

    In 140 characters teabagz apparently can’t say- ‘shouldn’t the ABC also ask what it was doing in a war zone?’

    A true f**kwit who runs away from his f**kwittery.

  110. July 18, 2014 12:34 pm

    Well yomm, my dear half-wit, just because `you` don`t particularly like what l say, doesn`t make it `fcukwittery`, as somebody who always gobbles the boardroom cock, you should realize that an overpaid boardroom that has already lost a plane this year,(mh370) then said overpaid boardroom really can`t afford to lose another plane this year, or their inconsequential cargo called lives. So an overpaid boardroom with half a fcuking brain in their head, would not risk flying thru/over battlefields and war-zones, which is what that tweet refers to,

    ”””(blame Fools flying thru war-zones)”””

    which is also only a small part of the screeching we are doing on the #mh17 hashtag. lt will also now be interesting to see if not only the overpaid boardroom survive, but if this airline survives either. (must be teh-union) #teabags

  111. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2014 1:00 pm

    “The AWU said something stupid.

    A bigger idiot repeated it, numerous times. ”

    I don’t know how many times Abbott said Whyalla would be wiped off the map. Abott may have only said it once. It was the AWU who said it first and then Abbot repeated what the AWU said. It was the media who repeated it many times.

    But it would be interest to know how many jobs were lost because of the carbon tax.

  112. July 18, 2014 1:04 pm

    ”””my bad yomm, I didn’t see the twit””’

    nice tom-R, it is always good to see the team-cheerers unite against the unrusted

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 1:05 pm

    So according to you it’s wrong to blame ‘warriors and weapons suppliers’ when they shoot a missile at an aircraft carrying 300 innocent people, killing all of them.

    Bizarre, callous. You should f**k off and stick to twitter.

  114. July 18, 2014 1:17 pm

    smart airlines had already abandoned that flightpath

  115. July 18, 2014 1:32 pm

    korea and qantas abandoned flightpath months ago,

    not bizarre, not callous, just not letting teabag-media shift blame and attempt to scapegoat, (and l don`t care which `side` of shit-scared soldiers fired) and aid politicians beat war-drums, which IS the language that is being used, (teabag-media need to challenge these talking-heads so we don`t end-up in yet another vietnam/irag/korea/afghan disaster)

  116. July 18, 2014 1:34 pm

    abc1 news, Aust suicide bomber in syria reported (2nd-one)

  117. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2014 1:46 pm


    The carbon tax is dead and there is nothing credible to take its place

    Almost a decade of bruising debate has led to the absence of any serious policy alternative and paralysis over the way forward

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/carbon-tax-is-dead-direct-action

    No shit sherlock. But, when will the media recognize their role in this god awful mess.

    They twisted and twirled Gillards words to mean ‘tax’, when all along she promised an ets, relabeled her ets as a “carbon tax”, then stuck that as an Albatross around Gillards neck, screeching “look what we made”.

    They then sat back on their haunches laughing and clapping as tabot strutted across their stage with their Albatross, ranting back and forward to each other “what a talented leader he is”, and clapping themselves collectively on their backs.

    Now, in the aftermath of the mess they created, they look at the ashes, wringing their hands and wondering where our politicians went so wrong. Nary a word about the monumental unhinging and venomous diatribe directed from them towards Gillard and their Albatross tabot proudly strangled for their entertainment. And now, their knives are already out for Shorten, who apparently had/has ‘vacated the debate’

    Of course he ‘vacated’ in their eyes, if they are so widely shut against what he (or Labor) actually say or do.

    Labor suffered a relentless, unhinged assault from every side (left and right) of their ets, and that is now described as “vacating the debate”. They have only just yesterday re-iterated their support for an ets, which they will be taking to election, with much related sledging from the sides. Yet they are simultaneously “vacating the debate”.

    No, our media have not learnt anything. They continue to stumble along, picking their realities, and pretending they are ours as well.

  118. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2014 1:47 pm

    Abott may have only said it once.

    You know it’s not in tabots dna to say something once. He NEEDs to repeat it, cos repetition is all he has

  119. July 18, 2014 2:09 pm

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 2:17 pm

    ” just not letting teabag-media shift blame and attempt to scapegoat”

    So the people who actually aimed and fired a missile at an aircraft and killed 300 innocent people are “scapegoats” and “not to blame”

    It’s great to see you try so hard to prove that you are a genuine imbecilic F**KWIT

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2014 2:44 pm

    They twisted and twirled Gillards words to mean ‘tax’, when all along she promised an ets, relabeled her ets as a “carbon tax”, then stuck that as an Albatross around Gillards neck, screeching “look what we made”.

    You know i have always wondered why so many people throughout human history have been willing to die for falsehoods.

    And then i met Tom R on a blog.

  122. Tom R permalink
    July 18, 2014 2:44 pm

    That’s a far better tweet T’Bagger

  123. Meta permalink
    July 18, 2014 3:32 pm

    (Hooray for SAMs, ASMs, and SSMs; may there be plenty more where they came from to stop errorists from ever doing this sort of thing again to innocent civilians!)

  124. egg permalink
    July 18, 2014 3:43 pm

    Ah yes, that would be collateral damage in a new cold war, or a luke warm war in Gaza.

    The boys, aged 9 to 12, assumed the seashore, unlike their neighbourhood, was safe from attack.

  125. July 18, 2014 3:48 pm

    where is my half-wit,

    no matter how much you do the chicken dance, it doesn`t change the fact that airline management imbeciles set flightpath over battlefield that had previously been bombed by aircraft, and had also shot down other aircraft #Teabags

  126. July 18, 2014 3:52 pm

    (you will never stop the errorists, they are in large supply, l tend them regularly)

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 5:24 pm

    Don’t blame the shooter!

  128. July 18, 2014 6:44 pm

    It was the AWU who said Whylla would be wiped off the map. Abbott just repeated what the Union said. Of course the media always repeated Abbotts statement but it was the AWU who said it first.

    As usual Squeal you nasty little factless troll you are 100% wrong Abbott said it loud clear and first … like you he is a fucking liar.

    Would you like to suctsanciate your assertion with some proof or is this statement like everything you write 100% factless bullshit…???

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2014 7:06 pm

    “As usual Squeal you nasty little factless troll you are 100% wrong Abbott said it loud clear and first … like you he is a fucking liar.

    It was the AWU who said on April 19, 2011 that Whyalla would be wiped off the map.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/news/carbon-tax-will-destroy-major-centres-such-as-port-pirie-and-whyalla/story-e6frg6p6-1226041270107?nk=7629a499247f96f613e8f7d7bf471ae6

    “THE state’s two key industrial cities will be “wiped off the map” by a carbon tax, a major union warns
    . ”

    Abbott repeated the Unions concerns when he visited the city on April 27, 2011. Abbott was just repeating what the Union rep said.

    “Mr Hanson yesterday stepped up his union’s opposition to the tax, claiming the future of both cities would be in serious doubt because both had economies based on the high-emission production of steel, iron ore and zinc.

    “Goodbye. They will be off the map,” he said.

    It was Hanson (AWU) who said Whyalla would be wiped off the map.

  130. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 18, 2014 7:32 pm

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/07/03/coalition-talking-points-all-the-government-can-do-is-mock/?wpmp_switcher=mobile

    “Labor knows it was a courageous was Wayne Hanson, the State Secretary of the Australian Workers’ Union who said Whyalla would be “wiped off the map” under the carbon tax”

    Just google Hanson and ” whyalla will be wiped off the map”

    Abbott of course was happy a Union member was worried about the Carbon tax and repeated Hansons comments.

  131. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 8:29 pm

    ‘They twisted and twirled Gillards words to mean ‘tax’, when all along she promised an ets, relabeled her ets as a “carbon tax”, then stuck that as an Albatross around Gillards neck, screeching “look what we made”.

    I think I’ve pointed out that (on any reasonable analysis) Gillard’s carbon policy was hopelessly confused.

    I’m always amused that everyone focuses so much on ‘tax’ vs ‘price’

    The comment that more clearly demonstrates her hopelessness was – ‘it will fail without community consensus’. Gillard then committed to various mechanisms to build community consensus.

    She walked away from the lot.

  132. Blubbering Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2014 11:37 pm

    “They twisted and twirled Gillards words to mean ‘tax’, when all along she promised an ets, relabeled her ets as a “carbon tax”, then stuck that as an Albatross around Gillards neck, screeching “look what we made”….”

    It fills me with much amusement that you still argue Tax over Price.

    You lost that battle long ago.

    You need a new ditch to die in

  133. Blubbering Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 18, 2014 11:40 pm

    “So, the greed of big airlines has resulted in them flying over dangerous routes. Who’d have thought.”

    No they’d be happy to go around them at a bigger seat price it’s just greedy common people like cheaper fares

    How’s Qantas ?

  134. Blubbering Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2014 1:00 am

    As I suspected in his initial election Obama will deliver words and no action.

    He is the USAs weakest Potus ever. Carter is Hercules beside him

    Just words. Just pulp for the masses

    Russia and China’s greatest friend .

    Full of cheap words

  135. Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2014 1:58 am

    Ok

    Watching Obama

    That did not go down well here

    What a weak speech

    Where is the Red Line these days ?

  136. Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2014 2:15 am

    Thais asking me what he is saying

    A truly worthless address

    Too late now

    He should have been stronger much earlier

    And so he pisses off with no.questions

  137. Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 19, 2014 2:16 am

    Much earlier inhis Potus

  138. Meta permalink
    July 19, 2014 4:21 am

    (No doubt; while the Ruskis, err the one-nation-indivisible-under nth-of-July-fireworks’ East-is-East-and-West-is-West-Ukrainians, do their I-prefer-it-my-way thing; while, blood oath, Sir Anthony has soundly-roundly defeated the bibble-babble-bubbles bursting off the backbeat of the tasty beverage tax’s canned canned-laughter; while God’s Chosen and God’s Other Chosen choose-to-choose-unchosen their respective blood sacrifices carefully; while antitrusted Carlos is forced half-hearted onto a diet of Hispanic daytime TV and extratrusted Rupert whiskey-tango-foxtrots Time Warner’s HBO’s GoTs; all is just pulp of the masses, for the masses, by the masses. Or, somesuch like that.)

  139. July 19, 2014 4:58 am

    (For certain; Dame Julie will continue to impress the Dragon with her intelligence and team freedom ideology; while Sir Anthony will join nth-of-July in celebratory bilateral unilateral consensus revenge beverage and agitate pre-agitated Ruskis with sams and forgotten nukies; and forgotten space-bus-service to stations floating above terra firma; all played out beneficially in a style that suits the Rupert whiskey-tango-foxtrot organization.)

  140. July 19, 2014 5:53 am

    (Air operators around the world last night imposed a no fly-zone over Ukraine as questions grew over why passenger jets were still flying over the war zone three months after pilots were warned to avoid it.)
    http://www.businessinsider.com/why-malaysia-airlines-was-flying-over-a-war-zone-2014-7?IR=T

  141. July 19, 2014 6:01 am

    (What’s peculiar about MH17 is that the ill-fated flight was different from its usual path over Ukraine. According to data at flightaware.com, a website tracking civil aviation traffic, the flight on Thursday diverted about 200km north from the paths the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 had used in previous days. And it led the plane right over the war-torn Donetsk Region.)
    http://rt.com/news/173792-malaysian-plane-diverted-warzone/

  142. July 19, 2014 6:32 am

    (For certain; random outbreaks of errorism will continue to provide meaninglessly meaningful wordfulness to intelligent Dames, Knights and Personal Assistants in cubicles; and drama for Limited-whiskey-tango-foxtrot-type organizations to mass feed the masses.)

  143. egg permalink
    July 19, 2014 9:43 am

    “We had a responsibility to work within the political realities to achieve the best national outcomes for the best international response. For this, Labor does not apologise. From this Labor does not resile. We are not sceptics. We believe the science. We understand that what is necessary is an effective international solution. In that international solution we aim for best practice, to be among the leaders, working with the progressive, continuously testing the facts. In that international solution we want practical outcomes, the best solutions, not just some vague promises.

    “We would prefer to be part of a national consensus, but where we cannot we shall advocate our position. We want to nurture the debate.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/labor-leader-bill-shorten-raises-climate-temperature-20140718-zugd5.html#ixzz37rnNKduM

  144. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2014 10:01 am

    Editorials in Fairfax and News seem balanced today, properly putting the blame for the outrage of those firing missiles at civilian aircraft, and the Russians supplying them. They also point out the irresponsibility of Malaysian Airlines in flying over a war zone.

    That’s reasonable.

    What is plain, f**king stupid is saying those firing the missiles are ‘wrongly blamed’ and ‘scapegoats’.

    Only a complete imbecile/f**kwit would say that… unfortunately we have one here in teabagz.

  145. egg permalink
    July 19, 2014 2:49 pm

    “It is in the best interests of the world to have a full, transparent, independent investigation,” Bill said.

    “If the Russian Federation doesn’t co-operate and help us get to the heart of what has really happened in this senseless act of murder, the Government should indeed consider not inviting Mr Putin to Australia.

    “I don’t believe Australians would want him here in those circumstances.”

  146. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 19, 2014 3:09 pm

    Yes, and it seems that teabagz isn’t the only F**KWIT around.

    Typically barrackers try to score partisan points, with comments like –
    o “Add Russia to the list of countries this government has put offside”
    o “Can’t they shut up and stop offending other countries?”

    They conveniently ignore the fact that Shorten has said that Putin shouldn’t be able to attend the G20 meeting in Brisbane. Dills abound.

  147. July 19, 2014 3:47 pm

    (For certain; errorists will continue to efficiently incompetently operate from airline boardrooms and personal assistants cubicles with vigor, with rigor, with others rigor-mortis; everything is okay, fly this way.)

  148. egg permalink
    July 19, 2014 5:24 pm

    Middle Kingdom Demands Impartial Probe

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/malaysianairliner/2014-07/19/content_17847803.htm

  149. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2014 8:20 pm

    qld byelection #staffordvotes
    senior psychologist bob anderson receives the election result, will this be one term newman?

  150. July 19, 2014 9:25 pm

    ^ One term Newman oner term Tony ^

  151. egg permalink
    July 19, 2014 9:44 pm

    Tony is a world statesman and will be around for a decade, suck it up.

    Civilian aircraft avoiding Ukraine.

    http://www.flightradar24.com/49.47,34.66/7

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 19, 2014 9:55 pm

  153. July 20, 2014 1:02 am

    “suck it up.”

    Not even his own family members are as stupidly infatuated by his every move as you seem to be.
    That is a supremely stupid assertion. It makes you sound like an arselicking simpleton who can’t see shades of grey.

  154. July 20, 2014 1:23 am

    (For certain; `suck it up` is the major task of personal fluffers in cubicles; whilst imitation Knights become imitation Presidents, imitating Statesmen.)

  155. egg permalink
    July 20, 2014 7:07 am

    Toilet face reality.

    Borrowing ToM’s dot points.

    * Stopped the boats

    * Axed the tax

    * Strong international statesman

    * Free Trade Agreements with Japan, Korea and China

    * Reducing the deficit to get Australia back in the black

    Now if Julia was still in power none of this would have come to pass and after the G20 meeting there will be infrastructure galore…. satellite cities and bullet trains.

    The trouble with the green leftoids is that they are living in a fools paradise and won’t accept reality. I know heaps of them in the real world, but apart from the usual pleasantries we don’t speak, them being as thick as a brick.

    The rusted ons from both sides will stay in place, while the average swing voter should return to the government in time for the next election.

    As you are a fiercely independent anarchist, I don’t expect a rational reply from your direction.

  156. egg permalink
    July 20, 2014 7:27 am

    As we enter a new cold war, everything will change.

    ‘As for Britain, once Europe’s mightiest military power, those who run our country have spent decades winding down our armed forces, while they frittered away our money on wind turbines, overseas aid and an unsustainable welfare state.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2698023/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Putin-Wests-insipid-statesman.html#ixzz37x4pLhLg
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  157. egg permalink
    July 20, 2014 7:34 am

    ‘Russia Today sparked a fever of speculation last night after publishing a report that claimed the doomed flight was flying almost the exact same path as Putin’s presidential plane did less than 40 minutes later.

    ‘It quoted a source as telling Interfax news agency: ‘I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2697293/From-CIA-assassination-cock-nefarious-Illuminati-involvement-The-MH17-conspiracy-theories-doing-internet-rounds.html#ixzz37x7CvXQr
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  158. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 20, 2014 10:36 am

    “* Stopped the boats”

    Yep and Labor said it could not be done. It was push factors and Labor was unlucky to be in power when there was a worldwide splurge of asylum seekers.

    The worst thing is we are still paying 1-2 billion dollars/year housing these people. It will take years to clean up the mess.

    Meanwhile since the boats have been stopped we can start taking people from UNHCR camps around the world instead of selling our humanitarian places like Labor did.

  159. egg permalink
    July 20, 2014 11:40 am

    ‘Yep and Labor said it could not be done.’

    Exactly, just like they said the tax on a harmless trace gas could never be repealed.

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2014 12:16 pm

    …but apart from the usual pleasantries we don’t speak,..

    exactly, and I see no need to change anything.

    As you are a fiercely independent anarchist, I don’t expect a rational reply from your direction.

    What is the matter with you? Why do you feel a need to be a complete jerk all the time?

    News for you, no-one here has ever really wanted to reply to you rational or not.
    toilet is far more rational and much more appreciated here than you will ever be. I’d rather see his very sensible [and entertaining] comments here any day than the constant dribble that you have inundated this place with in your personal crusades. Where’d you come from anyway? You got short shrift at deltoid and decided to run your brand of passive-aggressive, flip flopping mindless cant here.

    reb is too kind imo.

  161. egg permalink
    July 20, 2014 12:33 pm

    ‘reb is too kind’

    That’s true, he has shown compassion for this misfit blog refugee.

    ‘What is the matter with you?’

    I maybe mentally ill and have gone undiagnosed, its hard to tell. Most of the time I appear to be operating on the right side of the brain.

    ‘Why do you feel a need to be a complete jerk all the time?’

    Being outside groupthink is not a pleasant experience, in some respects, but living on the fringe has its own rewards.

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2014 2:34 pm

    ”his very sensible [and entertaining] comments here “

    That certainly describes his comments.
    ——————
    It would be quite hilarious if the Campbell Government went from 78 seats vs 7, into opposition.

  163. egg permalink
    July 20, 2014 3:18 pm

    ‘Where’d you come from anyway? You got short shrift at deltoid and decided to run your brand of passive-aggressive, flip flopping mindless cant here.’

    My more recent period at Deltoid was very robust, shoulder to shoulder with warmist comrade Luke, it was a duo with potential.

    We used to hang out at Marohasys and compare notes, which is what brought us undone when Lambert tracked us down and I was banned at both blogs on the same day.

    Passive/Aggressive Strategy has been getting a lot of bad press, but I’m convinced its much more effective than just aggression. In a micro sense around the office or in the big picture, as Xi remarked recently, there is no benefit to be gained from aggression.

    Flip Flopping means I’m prepared to be persuaded on any subject, having an open mind is useful for something.

    Mindless cant isn’t me, but I’m seriously thinking of doing a CC parody in the back room.

  164. public toilet permalink
    July 20, 2014 3:56 pm

    I doubt that ‘the average swing voter’ is held in thrall by Abbott (as you appear to be) enough to view him as an ‘International Statesman’.
    Anyone who thinks Vlad gives the tiniest fuck about predictable (if justified, in this case) bleating from an Australian PM hasn’t been paying attention to geopolitical realities.

    Triumphalist claims of Abbott’s ‘International Statesmanship’ are about as tragically rusted-on as you can get.

    If you think I’m an anarchist then that would be another misconception you have. As for rational, well I’d be happy to stand behind my thought processes versus yours; anytime, anywhere.
    My opinions aren’t singularly clouded by one pet issue.

  165. public toilet permalink
    July 20, 2014 3:58 pm

    Bullet trains & satellite cities, my arse.

    Irrational inextremis.

  166. egg permalink
    July 20, 2014 4:15 pm

    Abbott spoke up strongly, then Vlad got pissed off and told him so, meanwhile Xi piped up and said Tony is correct, we demand you act on this immediately, comrade. But ultimately it was the phone call from Angela which put the wind up Vlad.

    ‘anytime, anywhere.’

    Out the back anytime you fancy.

  167. egg permalink
    July 20, 2014 4:25 pm

    ‘Bullet trains & satellite cities, my arse. Irrational inextremis.’

    Maybe, we should know one way or the other before the next election.

    Ideally, Japanese built Maglevs with Chinese built lines and the Australians can grow the cities. Brisbane to Melbourne via the back route would be a lot cheaper.

  168. egg permalink
    July 20, 2014 4:49 pm

    He calls himself the infrastructure PM, the audacity, so he fully intends it to be more than roads.

    Australia is now seen by Chinese emigrants as the best place in the world, so they will be coming in relatively large numbers and they have capital. Sydney and Melbourne are stressed, time to release the pressure.

    The Greens are strong advocates of Bullet Trains and the monk is intent on winning their votes, once this other matter is finally put to bed.

  169. July 20, 2014 5:03 pm

    Hello from New Zealand. If you’ve ever thought about killing yourself but lacked the courage then I’d suggest a trip to Auckland might just do the trick…..

  170. July 20, 2014 5:09 pm

    from TV news snippet l heard that 20,000 jobs had been created,

    oh goody l thought,

    and then the report ended with `all of`em `part-time`, bummer!

  171. July 20, 2014 5:15 pm

    ah good to see`ya reb, was a bit worried you were flying as ya`hadn`t been in for a while, glad to see`ya safe on the ground, even if it is nz

  172. Meta permalink
    July 20, 2014 5:16 pm

    (Suggestion noted.)

  173. July 20, 2014 6:07 pm

    (For certain; Malaysian Airlines busy tickets refunds counter indicate; decision to short-cut over battlefield destroyed marketing of airline safety image.)

  174. July 20, 2014 7:42 pm

    reb is too kind imo.

    Go AO 🙂 between the confused delusional Omelette and the Squeal.. I’d say benevolent 🙄

    Egg you really are becoming a tireless bore, I thought you were starting your own jerk circle.. I will write the code for free if you fuck off I will pay you if you take squeal with you…
    Just Think you could mutually pleasure each other with a thumb up each others ass picking out those bits of corn and peanut you both call factually whitty diatribe

  175. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2014 8:17 pm

    Abbott appointments are trusted class warriors:
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/07/18/abbott-appointments-are-trusted-class-warriors/1405652282?utm_source=The+Saturday+Briefing&utm_campaign=996e875904-The_Saturday_Briefing_19_7_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6de0204698-996e875904-303202357#.U8uU7fmSySp

    …Says Saul Eslake: “The people who run this government, as you will have noticed, like picking fights. In a sense they’re like the old NSW [Labor] right. They have long memories and they’re good haters.”

    Even compared with the Howard government, he says, they are “very tribal”.

    Indeed. An old, rich, white, blokey tribe of culture and class warriors. And they look after their own…

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2014 8:18 pm

    ”reb is too kind imo.”

    That’s true, and his generosity certainly extends beyond reasonable, and beyond Neil and Egg.

    There’s really only one troll here and reb is very generous in tolerating teabagz.

  177. egg permalink
    July 20, 2014 8:35 pm

    ‘Egg you really are becoming a tireless bore’

    Your comment leaves me speechless.

  178. July 20, 2014 8:51 pm

    (For certain; knowledge fail, teabag wail, and all associated butt hurt remain safely contained within the personal fluffers tinfoil cubile.)

  179. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 20, 2014 8:59 pm

    your credibility = 0.0

    Haven’t you noticed? Even those you brown nose to don’t bother with you.

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 20, 2014 10:01 pm

    Faulkner expects state conference defeat on party reform:
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/07/19/faulkner-expects-state-conference-defeat-party-reform/1405692000#.U8uu_fmSySo
    …Labor stalwart John Faulkner knows his call to empower party members will send the NSW state conference into chaos and splinter his own Left faction. He also knows it’s essential…

  181. July 20, 2014 11:25 pm

    ”””””’MH17 flew corpses as passengers, pro-Russia rebels claim
    http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/mh17-flew-corpses-as-passengers-pro-russia-rebels-claim
    ”””””””””

    #the cranks are coming out of the woodwork now armchair

    .

  182. July 21, 2014 12:12 am

    Your comment leaves me speechless.

    Now theres a good start 🙂

    AO I was going to attend fridays nights Soiree but was told that as I am not a delegate I would not have a vote… My close sources to John says he is fucking livered as all us reformists are… Last time I had a D and M with John he said they just don’t listen to him…He is an elder statesman on the party , well respected Kate Ellis and alike would do go to pull their fucking heads in suck it up and listen….. The Left and right all love the sound of reform coming out of the mouth where lip service lives but to actually relinquish blocking? Oh umm what.. Until Blocking and the N40 are abolished Labor is a lame duck of no consequence to democracy.. Labor and party democracy don’t live in the same universe… like the Fiberals.

  183. July 21, 2014 12:16 am

    ”””””””””””The appointments made a mockery of Brandis’s excuse for dumping Cassidy. They also served as one of many examples of the pettiness of the new government in its rush to install its own people.

    Of course, the make-up of the advisory board for Old Parliament House is hardly a big deal, except as an iconic – and ironic – indicator of the Abbott government’s narrowness.

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/07/18/abbott-appointments-are-trusted-class-warriors/1405652282?utm_source=The+Saturday+Briefing&utm_campaign=996e875904-The_Saturday_Briefing_19_7_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6de0204698-996e875904-303202357#.U8uU7fmSySp
    ”””””””””””””””(via-armchair)

    #yes-sir-ee, it`s a broad and wide `church` that teabag party is,

    .

    ””””””””’You could sum up the attitudes of many of the Abbott government’s appointees with the old joke: “My mind’s made up, don’t confuse me with facts.”

    And in no area is this truer than in the matter of climate change.”””””””””

    #guffaw, the teabag panic is well set in

  184. July 21, 2014 12:22 am

    sorry to hear that ricky, it seems the duopoly do all they can to be irrelevant as possible to the general population

  185. July 21, 2014 12:23 am

    * facts are awesome…

    *factual alternatives are welcome…

    *R A T I O N A L

  186. July 21, 2014 12:24 am

    Monopolised concentrations of power (not electrical energy) shitmetofuck.

  187. July 21, 2014 12:25 am

    Monopolised concentrations of electrical energy shitmeworsetofuck, by gum!

  188. July 21, 2014 12:30 am

    ”””””””””It’s timely to mention the arrival of young James Bolt at the Institute of Paid Advocacy.

    James, the offspring of Andrew Bolt, is still doing his arts degree at the Uni of Melbourne, but has signed on as an IPA researcher.

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2014/07/12/gadfly-bolt-the-future/1405087200
    ”””””””””””””

    #well it doesn`t look like the next generation will receive a smarter, fairer, honest media either. The next generation of teabags are being trained and installed into teabag-media as we speak.

  189. July 21, 2014 12:38 am

    “there is no benefit to be gained from aggression.”

    Clearly & quickly disproven by history & the behaviours (not just of The Animal Kingdom) of all parts of the globe where ‘The Rule of Law’ is given respect followed by lip service followed by disregard…up to a point.

    Aspiring to be non-aggressive in an open, free commenting environment isn’t necessarily a bad thing though; in a personal sense, at least.

  190. July 21, 2014 12:41 am

    Unlike Bolt himself, who had quite a varied (if conservative) youth…his progeny has (already) been far more inculcated into certain inflexible ways of thought, apparently.

    Interesting link, bagz.

  191. July 21, 2014 5:37 am

    James Scott Bumgarner died
    April 7, 1928 – July 19, 2014
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Garner
    .
    Legendary actor James Garner — star of “The Rockford Files” and “The Notebook
    ” — has died … TMZ has learned.Law enforcement sources tell
    http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/19/james-garner-dead-dies-maverick-rockford-files/
    .
    # l`m still waiting for you harry callahan

  192. July 21, 2014 5:42 am

    (barry tucker)””””””””””””Abbott wants to talk about a “Budget Emergency!” Abbott wants to talk about “Labor’s debt and deficit disaster”. Both of these so-called crises are a figment of Abbott & Co Pity Ltd’s campaign of lies and distortion. People who know more about Australia’s economic situation than either Tony Two Face the IPA Hit Man or Joe Eleventynomics Hockeysticks say Australia’s debt is not a problem. Australia is not a company, it’s not a business. These Tea Party “economists” are merely book-keepers, or amateur accountants — there’s your problem.

    http://thesnipertakesaim.wordpress.com/2014/07/01/understanding-liberal-ideology/
    ”””””””””””””””

    #funny rant, barry is quite pissed at the teabags

  193. July 21, 2014 6:21 am

    ”””””Skye McCole Bartusiak Dead — Dies at 21
    http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/19/skye-mccole-bartusiak-dies-dead-the-patriot/

    Skye starred in only one other movie in recent years — “Sick Boy.” Other than that she had roles in various short films. Sources say Skye struggled after doing “The Patriot” … trying to establish a foot print in Hollywood, but it was largely a frustrating and unsuccessful experience. We’re told police found her dead in the garage apartment behind her home around 9AM Saturday. Right now, no foul play is suspected and it’s being treated as a natural causes death — pending autopsy results.Law enforcement sources tells us … there are no “obvious signs” she took her own life … however, our sources say toxicology reports could change their operating theory.”””””””””””

    # sad that she is dead at 21, but l never heard of her until l hit the tmz site, she will be more famous, l suspect, dying the same day Garner did

    (l`m still waiting for you betty white)

  194. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 7:13 am

    ‘Clearly & quickly disproven by history ‘

    Ah yes, but we are now in the 21st century with weapons of mass destruction at our fingertips, which means mutually assured deterrent (MAD) became all the rage for good reason.

    These days the argie bargie has more to do with trying to retain commercial links than impressing others with new toys like the F35s, smart bombs and drones.

  195. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 7:32 am

    ‘Aspiring to be non-aggressive in an open, free commenting environment isn’t necessarily a bad thing though; in a personal sense, at least.’

    Passive Agressive strategy allows for greater wit and wisdom, if you get my drift. Note that in the Trash office we have these aggressive characters who appear to lack the essential necessary ingredients.

    On the international front the Chinese are determined to rule the world with their form of communism …. let’s call it the real third way.

  196. July 21, 2014 8:41 am

    mad= mutually assured destruction #teabags

  197. Weakened Weekend permalink
    July 21, 2014 9:02 am

    Going through those links to The Saturday Paper, it’s difficult to argue it’s anything other than a leftist publication.

    (Is James now Bolt fair game, because his father is Leftoid Enemy Number One? If he wasn’t his father’s son, would a part-time junior researcher at the IPA receive any scrutiny whatsoever?)

  198. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2014 9:39 am

    Conspiracy theories on MH17…

    But only our local nutcase is saying “don’t blame the people who actually shot down the passenger aircraft.

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/mh17-conspiracy-theories-what-happened-to-downed-malaysia-airlines-plane/story-fnizu68q-1226995523375

  199. July 21, 2014 11:20 am

    Well he is his father’s son, apparently.

    It would be more surprising if he hadn’t been indoctrinated. It must have been frightening, but conveniently mentally monochromatic, growing up in a household which quaked with fear from leftist boogeymen.

  200. July 21, 2014 11:23 am

    If at some point deranged religious conservatives gain access to a nuclear arsenal (not entirely unlikely on the subcontinent) then MAD (and the self preservation instinct which it relies upon to be taken seriously) could hastily mean fuck all.

  201. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 11:24 am

    His son was a karter and is imbued with a quiet confidence because of it.

  202. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 11:26 am

    ‘….could hastily mean fuck all.’

    That’s true.

  203. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 21, 2014 11:43 am

    Is James now Bolt fair game, because his father is Leftoid Enemy Number One? If he wasn’t his father’s son, would a part-time junior researcher at the IPA receive any scrutiny whatsoever?)

    Doesn’t mean much at all, but it does reek of privilege and nepotism.

  204. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 21, 2014 11:48 am

    Going through those links to The Saturday Paper, it’s difficult to argue it’s anything other than a leftist publication.

    if only society was so clearly defined, if only people would think in those black & white terms , if only people gave a damn about left & right!

  205. July 21, 2014 11:50 am

    ” it does reek of privilege and nepotism.”

    Indeed.

    Not unlike the dubious furtunes of a certain PM’s daughter.

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2014 12:24 pm

    I’ll be using every (ethical) means I have to give my kids a start. Using contacts to organise some work experience (high school or graduate or undergraduate) is hardly earth shattering or unethical.

  207. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 21, 2014 12:43 pm

    …I’ll be using every (ethical) means I have to give my kids a start. Using contacts to organise some work experience (high school or graduate or undergraduate) is hardly earth shattering or unethical…

    work experience is a lot different to being given quite a headline role in the organisation. A junior ‘researcher’ who is given the space to publish his own musings? I don’t think the IPA has any rigorous peer review process or academic oversight, it’s just opinions and industry pay-for-propaganda, I’d hardly call it ‘research’. Look at the recent nonsense re cigarettes from christian kerr who is also assoc with IPA.

    AO I was going to attend fridays nights Soiree but was told that as I am not a delegate I would not have a vote… My close sources to John says he is fucking livered as all us reformists are…

    ricky, the longer they delay it the worse it will be. I have a lot of respect for faulkner, I haven’t had anything to do with him, I only go by what I’ve seen and heard on TV, but he comes across as very principled and decent. So far labor have only made an appearance of reform with the members having a very limited say in choosing the leader and the outcome pre-determined by the usuals.

    Perhaps they need a mutiny? But that wouldn’t work either as it just leaves the numbers men with what they want, all the power. It’ll be a long drawn out, nasty, internal battle with the powermongers resisting any change that means anything. Reform or die I reckon.

    We talk of labor but the libs need reforming as well, they’ve got a crook, undemocratic power structure too.

    Very depressing is our politics, no wonder the pollies take so little notice of the people.

  208. July 21, 2014 12:59 pm

    “Using contacts to organise some work experience (high school or graduate or undergraduate) is hardly earth shattering or unethical.”

    Noone (here) said it was ‘unethical’…but it does reek of privilege & nepotism…and illustrates how the ‘well off’ perpetuate their position (almost hereditarily).
    Such palm greasing & sideways ease of entry isn’t available to the bulk of the populations’ offspring; whether they be meritoriously better for a position or not.

    No offense intended Tom. I don’t fault someone for trying to help out their children; that’s an overriding instinct in all decent parents, I’d have thought.
    What may be less desirable however, is the hierarchy of these institutions (presumably) attempting to curry the favour of the powerful, influential & well connected by granting entry to their progeny ahead of those who have no such advantage by ‘birthrite’.

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 21, 2014 1:01 pm

  210. July 21, 2014 1:06 pm

    * apostrophe FAIL

  211. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2014 1:07 pm

    I’ve lost count of the number of ALP MPs who have kids working in unions and the number of union official offsprings working for politicians- media, research or whatever.

    Add the number of union officials who will press for apprenticeships or other employment for their kids.

  212. July 21, 2014 1:08 pm

    TB would be chuffed at the rebuke that voters are giving NewmanCorp.

  213. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2014 1:09 pm

    (no offense taken either)

  214. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 1:10 pm

    Its only natural.

  215. July 21, 2014 1:11 pm

    I don’t doubt it, Tom.

    My disdain for such things certainly isn’t confined to polemic contempt. I’m under no illusions that all Politicians, indeed a vast majority of those in any position of power throughout society (with exceptions, obviously) all do same with their own kids, where they can get away with it.
    I see it at my own place of employment periodically. It’s to be expected…but not applauded…and barely tolerated, imo.

    Individuals should have to prove their own worth in life. Not sneak in under the hems of their influential parents.

  216. July 21, 2014 1:18 pm

    I’m also realistic enough to realise that such things have always been the way of the world.

    That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be objected to. I’m sure there are examples on all sides of the political spectrum.

    With regard to Herr Bolt Jr, I thought the interesting thing about that was that the lil ideological sponge has obviously assimilated a fair amount of the polemic sputum which Herr Daddy has penned throughout his lifetime (unsurprisingly).
    I wonder at the lack of wisdom of infecting your own children with such rigid, delineated worldviews.

  217. July 21, 2014 1:19 pm

    Herr Bolt Jr may in fact have a natural ability to judge aboriginality by skintone too.

  218. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2014 1:50 pm

    I don’t object too much.

    Particularly in regional centres it’s quite natural that businesses find it useful for parents to have a stake or interest in its success beyond their personal job security.

    Beasley and Crean (juniors) were quite useful in the ALP, and probably didn’t quite get their start on merit alone.
    ========
    …and certainly Bolt gets no sympathy from me about his stupid ignorance about indigenous issues.

    I think his ignorance is willful, and intended to pander to the hicksville demographic of his readership. No intelligent rational person would share his opinions.

  219. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 2:05 pm

    ‘No intelligent rational person would share his opinions.’

    I share his opinion on the weather, but apart from that ….

  220. July 21, 2014 2:12 pm

    From YoM’s link: Conspiracy theories on MH17…

    “6. Many were already dead before the plane took off”

    Was the flight from Canberra?

  221. armchair opionator permalink
    July 21, 2014 2:24 pm

    “I’ve lost count of the number of ALP MPs who have kids working in unions and the number of union official offsprings working for politicians- media, research or whatever.”

    I think you’ll find that libs kids are doing the same – working in dad’s electoral office, jobs from mates in business organisations, it’s the new norm esp. if they go to a private school where they pay for the old school tie privilege.
    Seems that politics is now, student, young lab lib, staffer then mp.

  222. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 21, 2014 2:31 pm

    “Was the flight from Canberra?”

    😆 😆

  223. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2014 2:39 pm

    The most interesting example of a nong made good on the efforts of dad-
    *Dad was a (competent) minister in the Whitlam government
    *Dad got son an apprenticeship with a local council
    *Dad then got him a job as a union organiser
    *Son somehow got to be an incompetent state secretary, who helped f**k NSW ALP
    *Son sidelined into a $200k/year job with the Fair Work Commission

    Disgraceful.

  224. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 21, 2014 2:51 pm

    Joe Rirodan was competent?

  225. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2014 3:10 pm

    Competent by the standards of the day, I think…but of course I’m too young to speaa with authority about that period.

  226. July 21, 2014 6:44 pm

    ””””””””””””the IPA has any rigorous peer review process or academic oversight, it’s just opinions and industry pay-for-propaganda, I’d hardly call it ‘research’. Look at the recent nonsense re cigarettes from christian kerr who is also assoc with IPA.””””””””””””’

    #armchair, as far as l`m concerned teh-ipa(ivorytower propaganda assured) will never do anything that resembles proper research, and is only too happy to peddle junk-science that fit pre-determined benefits of it`s sponsors and pay-masters ie.murdoch-and-friends and not the general/national/global citizen #teabags

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