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Everybody (Still) Hates Tony Abbott (Part III)

July 21, 2014

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Tony Abbott’s so-called achievement in scrapping the carbon tax last week has not arrested the government’s downward trajectory in the polls, with Labor’s primary support rising by three points and voters still favouring Opposition Leader Bill Shorten for a third consecutive month.

Abbott’s overall “trustworthiness” rating now stands at a record low of 35 per cent after Joe Hockey’s first budget, which has also shredded his standing as preferred treasurer.

Christopher Pyne’s “popularity” amongst voters remains steady at minus 35 per cent.

The budget’s mix of harsh cuts and new imposts, including the $7 GP co-payment and an increase in fuel tax, have wiped out a 17 percentage point advantage Mr Hockey had over shadow treasurer Chris Bowen in March.

That collapse comes after weeks of policy inertia by the government, which delivered a budget containing measures expressly ruled out before the election and for which it has since done little to build a case.

The Treasurer vacated the budget battleground during the carbon tax argument, only to return from holidays threatening to introduce harsher cuts unless the Senate capitulated to his demands.

The nationwide survey of 1400 people was taken from Thursday, July 17, to Saturday, July 19, and shows Labor well ahead of the Coalition on two-party preferred terms at 54 per cent to 46 per cent, based on 2013 preference flows.

That amounts to a swing to Labor of 7.5 per cent since September.

The survey period straddled the deaths of 37 Australian citizens and residents aboard Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, which was shot down over eastern Ukraine on Thursday night.

Mr Abbott’s assured handling of the atrocity in the hours since has been well received but this has not resulted in any lift in the polls.

His approval rating has improved mildly since the June survey but he remains deeply unpopular with a net rating – the percentage of those who approve of his performance minus those who disapprove – sitting at minus 18 per cent.

That is a seven-point improvement but he still trails Blib Shorten. The Opposition Leader’s net approval slipped into negative territory but is much healthier at just minus 3 per cent.

On preferred prime minister, Mr Shorten continued to lead by 5 per cent at 46 per cent to 41 per cent.

Pollster John Stirton said the result was a bad one for the government and especially for Mr Abbott.

”Mr Abbott fell behind in May 2014 after eight months in office, faster than any previous prime minister with the exception of Paul Keating who started out behind,” he said.

”Julia Gillard was preferred PM for her first 13 months in office … Kevin Rudd was never behind and John Howard was preferred PM for 21 months after being elected.”

When respondents were asked to say whether Mr Abbott or Mr Shorten was a ”strong leader”, the Prime Minister had a seven-point lead over his rival. But that same strength shows up in negative ways, with just 38 per cent of voters viewing him as open to ideas compared with 58 per cent for Mr Shorten.

On competence, Mr Shorten leads Mr Abbott by five points, 57/52, and Mr Shorten has a 10-point lead on the question of trustworthiness, 45/35.

Both men were seen as safe from internal challenge, with about two-thirds of voters believing they had the confidence of their parties.

However, Mr Abbott was way ahead of Mr Shorten on the issue of ”vision for Australia’s future”, leading 54 to 38 per cent.

Just 28 per cent of voters regard Mr Abbott as open to influence by minority groups compared with Mr Shorten, who is seen as malleable by 42 per cent.

Mr Abbott also leads on foreign policy competence, 43/38, and decisively on an ability to make things happen, where he is ahead by 22 points on 58/36.

On economic policy, the two are evenly poised but on sensitivity to social policy the Opposition Leader scored best at 58/34.

 

 

 

 

 

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138 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2014 10:37 am

    ‘Everybody hates Tony’

    Does the intelligence of the electorate swing wildly?

    When they’re duped by Murdoch and his cohorts and turn on Gillard, the electorate is dumb.

    Now that they’ve tried a Liberal government, and don’t like the experience, have they become really, really smart?

    Perhaps the media (conspiracy) doesn’t quite have the clout some suggest.

  2. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 11:19 am

    ‘However, Mr Abbott was way ahead of Mr Shorten on the issue of ”vision for Australia’s future”, leading 54 to 38 per cent.’

    Worthless, who needs a PM who thinks he’s endowed with sharp projection.

  3. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 1:49 pm

    ‘AUSTRALIAN uranium sales to India could begin soon, the China free trade agreement negotiations remain on track to be clinched by the end of the year and the Trans Pacific Partnership deal could be signed by mid-2015.

    ‘Trade Minister Andrew Robb also told The Australian yesterday the nation had a unique window of opportunity to secure its $200 billion pipeline in infrastructure projects.’

    Maher / Oz

  4. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 3:23 pm

    There’s $200 billion sitting on the table, foreign investment ear marked for infrastructure, with only a small window of opportunity.

    Abbott will be decisive, otherwise the money will go to Africa and South America.

  5. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 4:35 pm

    ‘Does the intelligence of the electorate swing wildly?’

    Its a phenomenon of the communications revolution. In a couple of weeks Abbott should get positive polls after his harsh words to Vlad.

  6. Editor's Desk permalink
    July 21, 2014 4:58 pm

    Russia caught editing Wikipedia entry about downed Malaysian airliner

    Thanks to a Twitter bot that monitors Wikipedia edits made from Russian government IP addresses, someone from the All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company (VGTRK) has been caught editing a Russian-language Wikipedia reference to MH17 in an article on aviation disasters … The edit was in response to an initial edit to the MH17 section that said the plane was shot down “by terrorists of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic with Buk system missiles, which the terrorists received from the Russian Federation,” according to the website Global Voices.

    In a counter-edit less than an hour later, the entry was changed to say, “The plane was shot down by Ukrainian soldiers” … Luckily edits on Wikipedia are recorded, and the IP addresses of the person editing it are publicly viewable, meaning that, at the very least, underhanded editing can be exposed.”

  7. Cause and Effect permalink
    July 21, 2014 5:25 pm

    Wikipedia: Reactions [to MH17]

    Australia – In an address to the parliament, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said that the aircraft was downed by a missile which seems to have been launched by Russian-backed rebels. Moreover, Julie Bishop, the Australian Minister for Foreign Affairs said in an interview on an Australian television programme that it was “extraordinary” that her Russian counterparts have refused to speak to her over the shoot-down after the Russian ambassador was summoned to meet her. The Russian government was critical of Abbott’s response, branding the his comments as “inappropriate” and an “accusation of guilt based on speculation”, as Abbott was one of the first world leaders to publicly connect the shoot-down to Russia.

    Malaysia – Malaysian Deputy Foreign Minister Hamzah Zainuddin said that the foreign ministry would be working closely with the Russian and Ukrainian governments with regard to the incident. Prime Minister Najib Razak later said on his statement that “At this stage, however, Malaysia is unable to verify the cause of this tragedy. But we must, and we will, find out precisely what happened to this flight. No stone will be left unturned.” He also added “If it transpires that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators must swiftly be brought to justice”. The Malaysian government has declared to fly the country national flag at half-mast from 18 July until 21 July.

    Netherlands – Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte and King Willem-Alexander voiced their shock at the crash. Minister of Foreign Affairs Frans Timmermans will join the Dutch investigation team sent to Ukraine. Dutch government buildings flew the flag at half-mast on 18 July. Music was cancelled and festivities were toned down during the last, usually festive, day of the Nijmegen Marches.

    Russia – Russian President Vladimir Putin said responsibility for the crash rests with “the country whose airspace the plane was in when it crashed”, and that “the disaster wouldn’t happen if the military action in south-east of Ukraine was not reenabled”. He further said that it was important to refrain from making any hasty conclusions and politicized statements before the end of the investigation. He said that Russia was ready to provide necessary assistance in organizing and carrying out a thorough international inquiry led by ICAO. On 19 July Russian Ministry of Defence announced “10 questions to the Ukrainian government”, repeating accusations earlier published in Russian media. Russian citizens brought flowers to the Dutch embassy in Moscow. Among the flowers was a note in English that read: “We are very sorry! What a terrible shame!”

    Ukraine – Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko vowed support for a Dutch probe into the crash, which he called an act of terrorism. He offered condolences for the air disaster in a telephone conversation with Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte. Ukrainian citizens brought flowers to the Dutch and Malaysian embassies in Kiev in support.

    United Kingdom – The United Kingdom requested an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council and the British government called an emergency Cobra meeting after the incident.

    United States – U.S. President Barack Obama said the U.S. would help determine the cause. In a press statement, White House spokesman Josh Earnest called for an immediate ceasefire. Vice President Joe Biden said the plane appeared to have been deliberately shot down, and vowed U.S. assistance for the investigation into the crash. U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power stated that the flight “was likely downed by a surface-to-air missile, an SA-11, operated from a separatist-held location in eastern Ukraine,” that the U.S. could not “rule out technical assistance by Russian personnel” in operating the system, and that “Russia must end this war.”

  8. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 5:45 pm

    ‘Abbott was one of the first world leaders to publicly connect the shoot-down to Russia.’

    Our leader showed courage, being the first kid on the block to stand up to Vlad.

  9. July 21, 2014 5:52 pm

    ‘Does the intelligence of the electorate swing wildly?’
    Its a phenomenon of the communications revolution. In a couple of weeks Abbott should get positive polls after his harsh words to Vlad.

    Tell ya what for someone who purports to have a masters in Communications you are neither good at doing it nor analyzing it….

    The electorate despises Abbott, he is dead meat even if he was giving away $100 bills like Howard.. he’s a lying dud who inadvertently sold a metaphorical and literal “PUP”

    Positive polls? He started off with a clear majority and unpopular and a conservative analysis would be he has catastrophically self imploded into oblyvian going from dislikes to loathed. Clive Palmer and Bill Shortman ar actually looking good against him.. he is slightly more popular than a dinner plate of rancid pussy leprosy appendages..

  10. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 5:58 pm

    Tony Abbott is a world leader with backbone and the electorate like that, the next polls should see a swing in his favour.

  11. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 6:07 pm

    I seriously doubt it, el Gordo.

    Abbott exposed his underbelly with the budget & his subsequent weasel wording & mistruth reclassification following it.
    His lack of honesty is entrenched in the broader public’s minds eye now…& once impregnated it is inerasable.

    Sure, he’s milking current events, as most politicians would. Far preferable than him having to be under scrutiny & fighting a rear guard defence of his recognisable untrustworthiness…but people won’t be enraptured by his mutterings about goings on in Eastern Europe for long. Noone but adherents actually think Vlad is in some way cowered by Abbott’s grandstanding.

  12. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 6:11 pm

    Fancy having that cunt give your family a special phone call, because a family member was on MH17.

    Utter SOP & intrusion from any fucken PM. Just something he wanted to say on TV.

  13. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 6:13 pm

    If Vlad so much as glared across the table at Abbott he’d shit his knickers.

  14. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 6:15 pm

    About the only thing those two have in common is homophobic tendencies.

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    July 21, 2014 6:26 pm

    Now that they’ve tried a Liberal government, and don’t like the experience, have they become really, really smart?

    Perhaps the media (conspiracy) doesn’t quite have the clout some suggest.

    First sentence negates the second, ToM … answers … YES … NO …

    BTW … I’m BA-A-A-A-CK …..

    I see nothing much changes here … 🙂

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    July 21, 2014 6:28 pm

    Even , ToSY, is pasting other people’s points of view, looking more like the Farnham Bear every day, Tones … 🙂

  17. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 6:38 pm

    TB in da house…

  18. July 21, 2014 6:39 pm

    Hey TB.. No not really.. Eggs seems to stuck and needs a reset… Squeal keeps talking about the Budget while tossing over a photo of ‘The Kouk” ..I think he’s in love with a man crush 🙄 .. grass growing paint drying usual dross…

    How was the Surf? Wet a line?.. fuckin cold down here

  19. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 6:43 pm

    I think Tony’s link (especially the bolded words) is supposed to assert that Abbott is indeed an International Statesman (sound of trumpets)…rather than a cynical sympathy vulture.

  20. July 21, 2014 7:02 pm

    there must be something wrong at noise-poll,
    it can`t be so, bolt said mr-rabbit has transitioned successfully from misogynist to international statesman

    .

  21. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 7:09 pm

    ‘Noone but adherents actually think Vlad is in some way cowered by Abbott’s grandstanding.’

    That is hardly the point, this is an exercise in international relations and Abbott is a visionary, according to the latest polls.

  22. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 7:14 pm

    ‘….rather than a cynical sympathy vulture.’

    Excuse me, this whole business is a bipartisan arrangement. Of course anarchist and nihilists are outside groupthink, silly me.

  23. July 21, 2014 7:17 pm

    yeah, wiki edits are fine Tinfoil`osy, especially if ya`want to economize on brain-strain and not form ya`own view. Problem with wiki is it keeps changing, so your going to end-up with a massive page, probably with little correct on mh17 ie.propaganda.

    From what l`ve seen, the language from the start has been totally stupid, and l doubt Vlad will be inclined to help a recovery operation and/or shut-down battlefield. #Teabags

  24. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 7:18 pm

    ‘Eggs seems to stuck and needs a reset…’

    That’s not true.

  25. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 7:29 pm

    A hundred years ago the Lusitania was sunk by a German U boat, which brought America into the war.

    On this occasion there will be no WW3 because of MAD, so Abbott can flex his muscles without fear of reprisal. And the backing of Xi was the icing on the cake.

    Remember we put a lot of time into searching for that other plane in the southern Indian Ocean and the Chinese were most appreciative.

  26. July 21, 2014 7:46 pm

    ””Lusitania”” ””U boat”” #irrelevant

    ””WW3 because of MAD”” #also irrelevant to mh17

    ””flex his muscles without fear of reprisal””
    mr-rabbit is flexing within the parameters teh-usa allow a favored banana colony

    ””searching”” mh370 ””Indian Ocean and the Chinese””
    lt is stupid to think china is not double-checking that mh370 was not flown over a battlefield somewhere, or china wants to but-in to mh17 unnecessarily

  27. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 7:48 pm

    It was meant for TB who has an interest in history repeating itself.

  28. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 7:50 pm

    I’m neither an anarchist or nihilistic.

    Perhaps you don’t comprehend the words you are choosing.

    Once, again, Abbott is only impressing the easily impressed & the adhered.
    It’s cheap domestic theatre, not International Statesmanship.

  29. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 7:58 pm

    ‘It’s cheap domestic theatre, not International Statesmanship.’

    Its clever politics, we’ll let the people decide through the polls.

  30. July 21, 2014 8:01 pm

    ””Its clever politics”” #WRONG AGAIN

  31. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 8:11 pm

    I bet if our heroic Julia stood up to Vlad it would have been clever politics.

  32. July 21, 2014 8:21 pm

    #WRONG AGAIN id directed at me dumpty, joolya would probably cow-tow to teh-usa approved bullshit like mr-rabbit is #teabags

  33. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 8:33 pm

    ‘joolya would probably cow-tow to teh-usa’

    She would have, that’s why Tony is a potential statesman because he spoke first and Xi backed him up. Our alliance with the Americans should gradually evaporate over time as we draw closer to China.

  34. July 21, 2014 8:46 pm

    and you`re off ya`rocker as usual dumpty,

    mr-rabbit has cow-tow to teh-usa bullshit and you need the would`a, should`a, could`a joolya shit as some kind of fake-evidence that your delusion of mr-rabbit is wonderful,

    but vlads the real-deal, far superior to any usa-lickspittles we have

  35. July 21, 2014 8:57 pm

    Take another blue pill Egg

  36. Back In The USSR permalink
    July 21, 2014 9:06 pm

    “but vlads the real-deal”

    Your adulation of Putin is misplaced and ridiculous. It’s a nostalgic yearning for a leftist superhero that never was. There were leftist strongmen, but none of them heroes. Quite the opposite.

  37. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 9:23 pm

    Vlad is an arch-cunt among men. He is about as deadly serious as a ‘Leader’ can get & given his history it’s not hard to understand why Abbott’s preening would barely register on his credibility receivers.
    Vlad plays the long game in a way that meagre populations in the Southern Hemisphere can only gawp at.

    None of which should be mistaken for tacit approval of Vlad.

  38. July 21, 2014 9:28 pm

    sorry Tinfoil`osy, you come at it from the opposite direction,
    more about non-adulation for our banana colony glove puppets with their `all-fours` obedience to teh-usa,

    vlad is the real-deal not just in `toughness`, but critically independence, with no desire to be an approved satellite of teh-usa or eurotrashunion

  39. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 9:29 pm

    At the end of the day, voters here are gonna be far more concerned with AbbottCorp’s ideologically driven budget intrusion, than any tacky strutting he does prematurely lecturing foreign leaders in the Northern Hemisphere.

    It’s a passing, unconvincing distraction. Limpets love that shit.

    I can only imagine the cringeworthy way Rudd would be carrying on, were he still in The Big Chair. I realise that trying to make political capital out of such events isn’t just an Abbottian phenomena.

  40. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 9:31 pm

    Given Vlad’s stance on homosexuality, among other things, I’d say he’s far more of a conservative than a leftist.

  41. Impale, Exhale. permalink
    July 21, 2014 9:41 pm

    Check your history. How do you think homosexuals fared under most leftist regimes? Vlad’s views are consistent with theirs.

  42. egg permalink
    July 21, 2014 9:46 pm

    ‘It’s a passing, unconvincing distraction.’

    No, its an ongoing drama until those bodies are returned.

  43. July 21, 2014 9:59 pm

    if returned dumpty

  44. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 10:17 pm

    Yes, and conservatives are so embracing of homosexuality.

  45. July 21, 2014 10:23 pm

    Tinfoil`osy seems to struggle with discussion outside the left-right-narrative

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 21, 2014 10:44 pm

    *vlad is the real deal”
    *Don’t blame the people who shoot missiles at passenger aircraft

    Does anyone else think teabagz is unhinged?

  47. public toilet permalink
    July 21, 2014 10:54 pm

    The Mullahs…also leftists.

  48. July 21, 2014 11:32 pm

    l`m too knackered to play with`ya at the moment yomm, but l do request, yet again, that yoy grow some nads when you quote others and use full, in-context quote.

  49. July 22, 2014 1:46 am

    GUFFAW …if it wasn’t so fucking tragic…

    From Bolt’s blogroll; reckon he hasn’t visited this one for a few years…

    http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com.au/

  50. Meta permalink
    July 22, 2014 4:00 am

    (Given that the modelling is going so well in Iraq, etcetera maybe it was appropriate to secure the expertise of general coordinators for Independent Ukraine’s emergency-peace-zones, after all.)

  51. Meta permalink
    July 22, 2014 4:04 am

    (Update: No, I’m wrong. Here is a compleat explainer for Aussies.)

  52. Meta permalink
    July 22, 2014 5:53 am

    (Update 2: Interference with bodies, ne plus ultra of outrageous sacrileges, continues unabated, according to the ABC.

    Also, questions raised again about the safety of safety standards for flightpaths over conflict zones, and deferred on the ABC’s 7:30 Report.)

  53. egg permalink
    July 22, 2014 7:13 am

    Everybody Loves Tony

    ‘Australia’s resolution condemning the downing of flight MH17 and demanding full access to the site from investigators has been unanimously adopted by the UN Security Council.

    ‘Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop told the UN Security Council that the MH17 crash was an ‘outrage’, she also condemned the ‘grotesque violations’ at the crash site, reported the ABC.

    ‘The UN Security Council unanimously supported the resolution at 5am (AEST) today in New York.

    ‘It was thought Russia might veto the resolution after they took umbrage with the phrase ‘shooting down’, but they supported the resolution after changing part of the wording.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699359/Abbott-speaks-Putin-MH17.html#ixzz388iv6OlN
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  54. egg permalink
    July 22, 2014 7:26 am

    ‘Does anyone else think teabagz is unhinged?’

    Yes ToM, but as I’m apparently also unstable I thought it best not to point the finger at bagz.

    ———

    Tony Abbott Statesman

    ‘Other Security Council members, including the US, the UK and France, applauded Australia’s leadership on the disaster.’

    Magnay / Oz

  55. egg permalink
    July 22, 2014 7:32 am

    Bovver Boy Vlad downed by the Monk in first round.

    ‘MOSCOW has bowed to Tony ­Abbott’s demands that it supports a UN resolution to be issued this morning demanding access to the crash site and an international investigation into the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.’

    Benson / Daily Terror

  56. egg permalink
    July 22, 2014 7:53 am

    ‘At the end of the day, voters here are gonna be far more concerned with AbbottCorp’s ideologically driven budget intrusion, than any tacky strutting he does prematurely lecturing foreign leaders in the Northern Hemisphere.’

    Not really, the voters have already forgotten about the horror budget as our leader stands tall on the world stage.

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 22, 2014 8:14 am

    However, Mr Abbott was way ahead of Mr Shorten on the issue of ”vision for Australia’s future”, leading 54 to 38 per cent.

    we ‘get’ abbott’s vision all right and it’s been soundly condemned and rejected. He’s hoping that his anna bligh moment will gain him some much needed traction but minds are shut to the trickle up vision from corporate australia.

    Abbott was quick off the mark about that other malaysian plane, daily pressers etc. saying it was found and then not found until there was no news left to tell. Still he popped up to tell us nothing when the govt was in a spot of bother.

    in other recent news to interest tosy
    the models are not wrong.

    Climate models on the mark, Australian-led research finds:
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-models-on-the-mark-australianled-research-finds-20140720-zuuoe.html
    …A common refrain by climate sceptics that surface temperatures have not warmed over the past 17 years, implying climate models predicting otherwise are unreliable, has been refuted by new research led by James Risbey, a senior CSIRO researcher.

    …In a study published in Nature Climate Change on Monday, the team found that models actually generate good estimates of recent and past trends provided they also took into account natural variability, particularly the key El Nino-La Nina phases in the Pacific…

  58. July 22, 2014 8:34 am

    ” the voters have already forgotten about the horror budget as our leader stands tall on the world stage”

    Yeah, and that’s reflected in his major recovery in the polls….

    *rolls eyes*

  59. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2014 9:05 am

    “provided they also took into account natural variability”

    D’uh. If natural variability is the major factor then of course it might explain changes in weather.

    The fact remains that climate models got it wrong for the last 15 years – CO2 increased but temperatures didn’t. The vast majority of the models failed to predict this. So what did this paper do? Cherrypicking in hindsight:

    By selecting climate models in phase with natural variability ….

    But not your ordinary cherrypicking – they cherrypicked different models for different years. They haven’t identified models that got it right for the whole 15 year period. Looks like they couldn’t find models that got it right for the whole period so they cherry picked year by year. Oh dear.

    The fact that Loony Lewandowsky is a co-author doesn’t help with credibility either.

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2014 9:44 am

    I think Hawke, Keating and Howard could command respect from company boards.

    Hawke particularly could have been a chairman of a significant public company, he had the intellect to put complex plans together.

    By comparison we have Abbott and Shorten a generation later. Abbott is at the blundering supervisor level. Shorten is duplicitious, completely unreliable – he wouldn’t even survive a reference check to become a supervisor.

    We’re f**ked either way.

  61. egg permalink
    July 22, 2014 10:42 am

    ‘Yeah, and that’s reflected in his major recovery in the polls….’

    There is a lag, a few weeks from now he should get a bounce.

  62. egg permalink
    July 22, 2014 11:08 am

    i’n other recent news to interest tosy’

    Oh right.

    Models fail to predict hiatus, its a disgrace.

  63. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2014 12:53 pm

    “We’re f**ked either way.”

    Sad but true. But do you want Malcolm to take over?

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2014 3:23 pm

    I don’t mind Turnbull.

    In the ALP there are half a dozen people with more leadership capacity than Shorten – eg Bowen, Albanese, Plibersek, Dreyfus, Clare, Marles. I don’t think they’re all sensational politicians, but they’re preferable to Shorten. Bowen seems like a younger version of Keating (to me), it’s a pity he doesn’t have a safer seat.

  65. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2014 5:12 pm

    Turnbull may pass the “CEO test” but he wasn’t much good as leader of the opposition. He seems to be just another tall imperious born-to-rule narcissist named Malcolm. And like Trouserman before him he will spend his post-political career knifing his own party while trying to impress the intelligentsia.

    As to the ALP lot, I hate politicians. True they are all preferable to Shorten. I suppose Bowen and Albanese are OK. Plibersek will probably be the next ALP PM although she is a stupid troll. Maybe Sam Dastyari should move to the lower house and become leader – hahahahaha. He is the very embodiment of ALP politics. Or maybe Joe Ludwig.

    I can’t think of anyone on either side that I really like. Probably just lazy cynicism on my part.

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2014 5:46 pm

    The Murdoch Monopoly Almost At Work … 🙄

    FOR the first time since Tony Abbott was elected, many Australians are catching a glimpse of another side of the Prime Minister and a begrudging respect is emerging …

    … Leaders’ popularity traditionally rises after natural disasters, wars and terrorist attacks. Former US President George W. Bush managed to secure an unlikely second term after September 11.

    John Howard’s approval rating peaked after the Port Arthur massacre, according to chairman of Newspoll, Sol Lebovic, as well as after “the Tampa affair and the terrorist attacks of September 11, the Bali bombing, and the war in Iraq”.

    Former Queensland Premier Anna Bligh’s handling of the 2010-11 floods turned her fortunes around, putting her ahead of the Liberal party after months of poor polling …

    … “If the election was this year, or six months out, it may have a real impact on how people vote,” he said. But at this stage there were too many other critical events ahead of the government including two more Budgets and other possible mini-Budgets.

    “At this stage it doesn’t have any real relevance,” Prof Manning said.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbotts-handling-of-malaysia-airlines-mh17-incident-sees-a-spike-in-his-approval-rating/story-fncynjr2-1226997715788

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2014 5:50 pm

    Palmer really does attract quality people to his party…

    Palmer United Party Senator Jacqui Lambie asks a 22-year-old male, ‘Are you well-hung?’

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/palmer-united-party-senator-jacqui-lambie-asks-a-22yearold-male-are-you-wellhung-on-heart-1073/story-fnndfy6b-1226997163380
    ——–
    Hello TB!

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2014 6:06 pm

    As to the ALP lot, I hate politicians

    Translation — (” … but I like people to think I’m neutral …”)

    LOL!

    Turnbull may pass the “CEO test” but he wasn’t much good as leader of the opposition.

    Translation — (“… ’cause some ALP voters like ‘im …”) (and let’s forget the utegate set-up, and Abbott took it by ONE vote) **

    LOL!

    I can’t think of anyone on either side that I really like.

    Translation — (“… so I’ll keep on voting for the tories … “)

    LOL!

    **I thought MT was a decent pollie ’till he started bullshitting about the NBN and knew what he was lying… typical cheating, deceitful, untrustworthy, thieving Coalition politician … and of course I should have twigged earlier – he’s a catlik convert … 🙄

    Just who is running my country? The Vatican via Pope Rupert?

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2014 6:18 pm

    Hello TB!

    G’day, mate! 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    oops … apologies, RP, How was the Surf? Wet a line?.. fuckin cold down here

    Was a bit chilly, up there too, don’t fish – my son is avid! But its an annual (sometimes) trip a few of my son’s friends and a couple of us father’s … they all fish – not real good this time …

    ‘Cause I don’t fish these days …

    … my official “designation” is photographer (I make the video/slideshow of the trips) … this year the title – I’m thinking, “Fishin’ K’gari”**, and the, “Fishin'” fading out and, “Wildlife”, fading in …

    Video of whales breaching, fur seal sunning and playing on the beach, echidnas, dingoes (of course), eagles etc … good footage … just limited fishing film …

    **Kgari is the Aboriginal name for Fraser Island … much nicer, I reckon …

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 22, 2014 6:18 pm

    “As to the ALP lot, I hate politicians”

    Me- i hate the ALP and its supporters. ALP supporters are the most deceitful lying pieces of filth i have ever met.

    “I can’t think of anyone on either side that I really like.”

    Me- i like Tony Abbott. I don’t need to know that Shorten is a scumbag. You have to be one to be elected leader of the the ALP.

    I thought MT was a decent pollie ’till he started bullshitting about the NBN and knew what he was lying”

    Turnbull says lots of good stuff about ALP debt and economic vandalism. The ALP are economic vandals. Always have been always will be.

    The NBN is a waste of money however the Coalition are stuck with it. It would take a fortune to get out of the contracts and to start all over again.

    The Coalition policy in 2007 was much better but the Australian people fell for the lies of Rudd, Conroy and the rest of that immoral bunch who were elected in 2007.

    That the Australian people fell for that bunch of immoral scum who they elected in 2007 says a lot about what Australia has become.

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2014 6:19 pm

    Palmer really does attract quality people to his party…

    D’ja reckon, sunshine!

    Chuckle …

    Go Clivey! Please …

  72. TB Queensland permalink
    July 22, 2014 6:23 pm

    That the Australian people fell for that bunch of immoral scum who they elected in 2007 says a lot about what Australia has become.

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  73. egg permalink
    July 22, 2014 6:44 pm

    ‘That the Australian people fell for that bunch of immoral scum who they elected in 2007 says a lot about what Australia has become.’

    You mean ‘had become’, but let’s not talk about the past.

  74. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 22, 2014 6:49 pm

    Well you have to talk about the past. And i still don’t get it. Why throw out a good govt in 2007 for a bunch frauds?

  75. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 22, 2014 7:24 pm

    Hi TB

    “Translation — (” … but I like people to think I’m neutral …”)”

    I don’t give a rats. It is more like what I actually said: “I can’t think of anyone on either side that I really like. Probably just lazy cynicism on my part.” That last sentence was a bit of candid self-reflection, something completly beyond your ken.

    “Translation — (“… ’cause some ALP voters like ‘im …”)”

    Of course they do. His problem is that Labor wouldn’t have him.

    “Translation — (“… so I’ll keep on voting for the tories … “)”

    Unlikely. I don’t do party loyalty.

    But I’ll keep bitching about corrupt Unionland types, victim pimps, carpet-bagging lobbyists, crony capitalists, race-baiting multiculturalists, fuckwits who want to limit free speech and anyone else who deserves it, including ALP tragics like you.

  76. July 22, 2014 7:29 pm

    “Everybody Loves Tony”

    Demonstrably false.

    ” the voters have already forgotten about the horror budget as our leader stands tall on the world stage.”

    Easily impressed…even more easily led up the garden path, apparently. Bells & whistles don’t amuse every person who isn’t nailing their flag to the mast…ie, a majority. The Budget is out there & it isn’t going away.
    Not everyone is as optimistically blind as an Abbottlicker.
    FFS, even the rational conservatives here are canny enough not to be dropping sugary pro-Abbott propaganda. He eliminated your pet fetish, how about you now wake up and smell reality? You can afford to break ranks now…or continue to appear intellectually incestuous…

  77. July 22, 2014 7:36 pm

    “And i still don’t get it. ”

    And that’s what happens when you have monochromatic brain function. Expect to never ‘get it’.

  78. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 22, 2014 7:39 pm

    “FFS, even the rational conservatives here are canny enough not to be dropping sugary pro-Abbott propaganda.

    Surely you have to give a new govt some time before you make an opinion. Abbott has had some success. The boats have stopped even though everybody said it could not be done and we are now taking our refugees from camps not selling our places.

    As for the budget, i am sure you have heard the story of humpty dumpty.

  79. July 22, 2014 7:47 pm

    “Surely you have to give a new govt some time before you make an opinion.”

    GUFfknFAW! 😯

    Yeah, because you sure don’t hold any preconceived notions about ALP governments & supporters! UNFKNBLVBL!
    If I had plenty of time on my hands, it wouldn’t be hard to go back & gather your reactions to an incoming ALP government the day after it happened , Neil!

    You may not have noticed, but AbbottCorp has been in the role for a few months now. Definitely long enough for the façade to wear off in the eyes of enough voters to plummet in the polls. Abbott has burned all of that anti-ALP sentiment that partisan arsehats such as yourself labour to cultivate…already .
    Now he’s left hanging in the breeze, exposed & recognised for himself.

  80. July 22, 2014 7:49 pm

    el gordo is doing his level best to put sauce on the shit sandwich too, so all is not lost …snigger.

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 22, 2014 8:00 pm

    “If I had plenty of time on my hands, it wouldn’t be hard to go back & gather your reactions to an incoming ALP government the day after it happened , Neil!

    OK you got me on that one. I was just reacting to all the Labor supporters who said the Abbott govt was the worst the day after he was elected.

    And he does have some success.

    Be interesting to see comments from ALP supporters if Gillard was still PM and brought down the same budget as Hockey. I would suspect the comments would be different.

    A good definition of honesty is if you can hold the same opinion no matter who is in power. But the ALP comments on the budget just proves to me they would never run surplus budgets for any length of time because their supporters cannot stand cutbacks in any area.

  82. July 22, 2014 8:06 pm

    “A good definition of honesty is if you can hold the same opinion no matter who is in power.”

    The wisest comment of yours I’ve ever read!

    Strongly agree.

    Now, try adhering to same.

  83. July 22, 2014 8:18 pm

    ”””””””””””has been refuted by new research led by James Risbey, a senior CSIRO researcher

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-models-on-the-mark-australianled-research-finds-20140720-zuuoe.html
    ”””””””””””[via-armchair]

    looks like the csiro will cop another funding slash`n`burn from mr-rabbit, we can`t have expensive bolt-ipa propaganda being shredded with inconvenient research

  84. July 22, 2014 8:22 pm

    “And he does have some success. ”

    They all do…but it’s the hows, whats, wheres, whens & whys that tell the true story.

    For instance, a foreign tragedy falling in the lap of any PM would/will be milked to death.
    It’s certainly not a yardstick to measure them by.

  85. July 22, 2014 8:30 pm

    l notice that JB and Samantha Power have managed to make lots of noise on behalf of MH17 victims families with `much focus` put on dead children. Too bad Power doesn`t make similar noise-level about her own nation drone-bombing Pakistan, 29/30ths of those killed labeled `collateral`. And too bad JB doesn`t make similar noise-level over israel killing children(targeted) on the beach. lt seems dead white children are much more important than living brown children. #Smell.the.Racism

  86. July 22, 2014 8:35 pm

    ””””It’s certainly not a yardstick to measure them by.””’

    agree fully, it only provides large quantities of mindless yabba-dabba-doo for pre-welded lock-steppers

  87. July 22, 2014 8:46 pm

    If I was a supreme cynic, I may suggest that Israel is taking the opportunity while the eyes of the world are on Ukraine…

  88. July 22, 2014 8:54 pm

    ””””eyes of the world are on Ukraine”””’

    absolutely agree, tho l was referring above to the `united-arm-twisting` that seems to get `vetoed` RE israel killing the other lot

  89. July 22, 2014 9:12 pm

    As long as the US, Russia China et al have the veto, status quo will be maintained & the UN will be a toothless shitcunt.

  90. egg permalink
    July 22, 2014 9:16 pm

    ‘He eliminated your pet fetish, how about you now wake up and smell reality?’

    Global cooling begins this year and what to do about it?

    ‘You can afford to break ranks now…or continue to appear intellectually incestuous…’

    The left have nothing on offer, Bill is no visionary and fighting a rear guard action. I’m holding out for bullet trains and satellite cities from the visionary right.

    By the time of the next election I may move back to the left if the relationship between unions and the Labor Party is eliminated, and Bill drops his pledge to reintroduce the tax on a harmless trace gas.

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2014 9:29 pm

    The Israel/Palestine issue is probably intractable, never ending conflict that escalates into war from time to time. This invasion probably has more to do with the emotions generated by the kidnapping and murder of youths from both sides than opportunistic use of MH17 and Ukraine.

    I think the wars are timed fairly randomly, driven by internal political opportunity, neither side seems to get particularly bothered about international sentiment.

  92. July 22, 2014 10:02 pm

    ”””””the veto, status quo will be maintained & the UN will be a toothless shitcunt””””’

    yeah agree, each nation would probably be better-off to stop throwing great wads of cash on these global herd-think bonfires, and put it into budgets (say-health) in their own nation, seems a massive waste to me

    .

  93. July 22, 2014 10:06 pm

    https://theguttertrash.com/co2-and-you-iv/
    fcuk orrrrrrrrrrrff dumpty, back ta`ya hole

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 22, 2014 10:53 pm

    Being the solitary troll at guttertrash isn’t a badge of honour teabaagz.

  95. July 22, 2014 11:37 pm

    “each nation would probably be better-off to stop throwing great wads of cash on these global herd-think bonfires, and put it into budgets (say-health) in their own nation, seems a massive waste to me ”

    I agree with this.

    ” This invasion probably has more to do with the emotions generated by the kidnapping and murder of youths from both sides than opportunistic use of MH17 and Ukraine.”

    Yes, but…the State is circumspect about having Earth’s Minds’ Eye focussed directly upon it for a protracted period.
    This tends to happen every time disproportionate force is exercised. More expeditiously distorted applications of force are far more readily undertaken whence the globular newscycle is cast aspence (I just made a word up?). It is historically observable that the State has been murderously opportunistic at such junctures in the past.

    Doubt me? I bet [V}ETA & my other betters have links.

    One Day Israel Will Overstep Its Way Out Of Existence.

  96. July 22, 2014 11:39 pm

    * Beware The Zealots

    ** All Coloured Stripes Are Synonymous…

  97. July 23, 2014 12:22 am

    “The Israel/Palestine issue is probably intractable, never ending conflict that escalates into war from time to time.”

    Yes.

    “, neither side seems to get particularly bothered about international sentiment.’

    No, I think each side is very aware of the PR war. I’m sure you’ve probably heard of ‘Paliwood’?
    Only one side holds the whip hand however…unless they really want to exercise the David ultimatum.

  98. July 23, 2014 12:51 am

    l suspect confirmation-bias kicks-in in a big way with terms like `paliwood` and `hezbollywood` etc, (yeah sure, the pr war-tools are pretty much available to all) and it will depend on the what the `viewer` perceives as being least-evil/more-saintly on who is being killed l suppose. Pro-israel side will kick-up all kinds of `doubt` claims over footage showing heavy-handed israel-soldiers murdering children, and claim its `staged`, but then use footage shot by the very same film-crew, (israel claiming real-deal of course) of successful `truck-bomb` footage carried out by the other side.

    (#ditto, vice-versa, of course)

    ____________

    ”””One Day Israel Will Overstep Its Way Out Of Existence.”””

    yeah, the short-odds bet, l reckon

  99. July 23, 2014 1:12 am

    l suppose, as a footnote to `paliwood`, with teabag-media too often willing to float israel, teh-usa and Aust govt`s bullshit as gospel, the `free-lancers`/`independents` are a fly in their ointment too, so happy to slur and slag-off where possible.

  100. Bias Binding permalink
    July 23, 2014 7:14 am

    “l suspect confirmation-bias kicks-in in a big way”

    Yes, as exemplified by comments like this …

    “Israel is taking the opportunity while the eyes of the world are on Ukraine…the State has been murderously opportunistic at such junctures in the past … One Day Israel Will Overstep Its Way Out Of Existence.”

    and

    “israel killing children(targeted) on the beach”

  101. egg permalink
    July 23, 2014 7:44 am

    The left is always so pessimistic, which may have something to do with anomie.

  102. egg permalink
    July 23, 2014 7:48 am

    Joko Widodo is just the sort of guy Indonesia needs right now.

  103. egg permalink
    July 23, 2014 8:21 am

    ‘ANTI-DISCRIMINATION advocates warned against “double standards” after Jacqui Lambie yesterday spoke of her ­desire for a “well hung” man, comments that provoked a fraction of the outrage sparked by Tony Abbott’s recent misjudged wink.

    ‘The Palmer United Party senator quickly apologised for telling commercial radio her ideal man “must have heaps of cash and … a package between their legs”.

    Oz

  104. Body Parts permalink
    July 23, 2014 8:28 am

    I’m sure everything Jackie Lambie said was quite innocent. I mean, who would object if a male Senator, say Ricky Muir, said he was looking for a woman, and she must have big tits?

  105. egg permalink
    July 23, 2014 8:32 am

    ‘The Budget is out there & it isn’t going away.’

    Kohler’s second graph suggests that horrendous budget is now history.

    https://www.alankohler.com.au/

    ‘Not everyone is as optimistically blind as an Abbottlicker.
    FFS, even the rational conservatives here are canny enough not to be dropping sugary pro-Abbott propaganda.’

    It may appear as propaganda to you, but for me its nooze before it ‘appens. Do you understand the subtle difference?

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2014 9:22 am

    ”who would object if a male Senator, say Ricky Muir, said he was looking for a woman, and she must have big tits?”

    Exactly, and not just Ricky either, perhaps it is the type of statement George Brandis could think about.

  107. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2014 9:24 am

    …or Warnie!!

    http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/warnies-squeeze-posts-smoking-photo-20140722-zvttj.html

    (she seems nice)

  108. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2014 9:31 am

    A powerful right-wing union currently under investigation by the royal commission into union corruption has had its formal influence in the Labor Party slashed after it was caught grossly inflating its membership numbers.
    The Transport Workers Union has been forced to write down by more than half the number of members it claims in NSW, the branch from where the union draws much of its influence and nearly half its national members.
    The admission follows reports in Fairfax Media last December that revealed the TWU rorting as part of an investigative series into union slush funds.
    Labor sources said the TWU was now claiming just 17,800 members in NSW; it had previously told Labor it had more than 38,000 members.
    That will mean at next week’s NSW state Labor conference the TWU will have just 23 delegates, down from 43 last time.

    Not only do the unions exert unsatisfactory control over the ALP via the party structure, they then lie and cheat to top it up!

    If the ALP and affiliated unions don’t agree to an amicable divorce soon, they’ll finish up with an acrimonious one,

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/twu-loses-labor-party-influence-as-membership-rort-is-caught-20140722-zvo0g.html#ixzz38F7r2P7n

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 23, 2014 9:43 am

    “Israel is taking the opportunity while the eyes of the world are on Ukraine…the State has been murderously opportunistic at such junctures in the past … One Day Israel Will Overstep Its Way Out Of Existence.”

    You don’t know the half of it. Israel shot down the plane for this very purpose. Hamas has always understood the perfidious Jews, as its Charter rightly explains:

    With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

    You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.

    As Hamas explained on 7.30 they are using their rockets to achieve peace:

    SARAH FERGUSON: You’ve chosen to fire those rockets into Israel and it’s not clear from the outside what it is you’re hoping to achieve?

    OSAMA HAMDAN (Hamas spokesman): Well, it’s clear that we are hoping to achieve a long-term ceasefire which can protect the Palestinians with guarantees that Israelis will not violate that another time.

    The murderous Israelis are using their rockets to target and slaughter civilians. As we saw from WWII better outcomes are achieved when Jews don’t resort to force to ‘defend’ themselves. Leftists of goodwill everywhere realise they have a natural ally in Hamas and are rushing to join its righteous cause. Right-thinking Australians must rise up against Jewish chocolate shops.

  110. July 23, 2014 10:28 am

    I have a dedicated post up now about Israel…

  111. Meta permalink
    July 23, 2014 10:42 am

    ( Do you understand the subtle difference?

    No, not really. All I pretend to know, via a spontaneously-developing official narrative, is that black is the new orange, or vice versa if and when it comes to Malaysian-reacquired fluoro-orange black-boxes or an unmasked black-humourist’s bizarre tele-interview about the ‘lived’ conditions of ‘first-responders’ on the ground; and that staying on message is important for effective strategic communications; say, when revealing despicable cover-ups on an industrial scale or a prima facie case of evidencetampering. Or, something like that.)

  112. egg permalink
    July 23, 2014 12:37 pm

    I’m a practicing projectionist without bias.

  113. egg permalink
    July 23, 2014 12:49 pm

    This post is about Tony’s bad polling, I reckon he’ll get a bounce in a couple of weeks.

  114. Bodily Functions Are Us permalink
    July 23, 2014 1:08 pm

    *********************WARNING*******************

    Contains Graphic Content and Vomit Inducing Scenes

    Do Not Proceed if Easily Offended

    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.716943044988489.1073741876.200318653317600&type=3

  115. July 23, 2014 1:36 pm

    Now that is funny…. 😆

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 23, 2014 2:44 pm

    Well… she seems nice.

  117. egg permalink
    July 23, 2014 3:03 pm

    Roses bloom twice, apparently.

  118. Tom of Melbounne permalink
    July 23, 2014 3:13 pm

    When I look at David Cameron’s wife, I always think – ‘she could have done so much better for herself’

    hmmm…

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2014 4:01 pm

    … including ALP tragics like you.

    LOL! How similar we are in so many ways, sb … 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If I was a supreme cynic, I may suggest that Israel is taking the opportunity while the eyes of the world are on Ukraine…

    Pure logic from where I sit … predicted the warmonger, Netanyahu, would be up to his old tricks as soon as he was elected … just like the old KGB officer is doing in Ukraine …

    .

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2014 4:06 pm

    ” This invasion probably has more to do with the emotions generated by the kidnapping and murder of youths from both sides than opportunistic use of MH17 and Ukraine.”

    So using this logic we should bomb the crap out of Russia for their involvement in killing 28 Aussies?

    Mmmmmm …

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    July 23, 2014 4:10 pm

    Right-thinking Australians must rise up against Jewish chocolate shops.

    Chuckle, splutter …

    Hamas have certainly done their research into Western conspiracy theories, sb, the only one’s that didn’t get a mention were the Catliks … and maybe the Huguenots …

  122. egg permalink
    July 24, 2014 8:05 am

    Greens hate middle class welfare, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

    ‘THE Greens are prepared to vote down Tony Abbott’s flagship parental leave policy out of dismay that key details of the scheme have been kept out of the budget despite the $9.8 billion cost of the ­payments.’

    Crowe / Oz

  123. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 24, 2014 9:07 am

    ”So using this logic we should bomb the crap out of Russia for their involvement in killing 28 Aussies?

    I’m not sure what form of logic you’re applying TB, but it’s not the same as the logic I apply.

  124. Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 24, 2014 9:10 am

    The Greens are good at getting nothing of their agenda achieved because they insist its either their way or no other.

    They used to support the PPL but now due to other policies they refuse.

    Remember the Rudd ETS………………..they could have had an ETS now they have nothing

    They are wreckers for both the LNP and ALP.

  125. egg permalink
    July 24, 2014 9:19 am

    Abbott can sacrifice the PPL, DAP, Green Army etc and put them in the bottom draw until the next election.

  126. 1980s Calling permalink
    July 24, 2014 9:36 am

    In light of recent events, which one knew what they were talking about in this Presidential debate?

  127. egg permalink
    July 24, 2014 9:43 am

    The local publican said he knows a young man who was booked on the MH17, but because he turned up so drunk they refused to let him on the plane.

    I cannot confirm this story.

  128. Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 24, 2014 10:11 am

    You mean people in Amsterdam drink to excess ????????????????

    Who knew ?

  129. July 24, 2014 10:26 am

    This is why people hate Abbott

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    July 24, 2014 10:33 am

    I’m not sure what form of logic you’re applying TB, but it’s not the same as the logic I apply.

    You apply logic????

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Remember the Rudd ETS………………..they could have had an ETS now they have nothing

    Fair call, Wally … as for wreckers, I don’t think it’s deliberate … just dumb decisions …

  131. Bangkok Walrus permalink
    July 24, 2014 11:51 am

    Shorten reckons he is going to take an ETS to the next election.

    Goodluck with that one Billy Boy

    With the Greens in the Senate the LNP will quickly and legitimately claim that the Greens will refuse to accept it and probably demand a new $26 per tonne Carbon Tax since the EU ETS price is a princely $7 a tonne.

  132. July 24, 2014 2:19 pm

    The Kiddies are not happy Tony

  133. egg permalink
    July 24, 2014 2:37 pm

    ‘Goodluck with that one Billy Boy’

    China is having difficulty, so by next election Bill may have to change his tune.

    BEIJING, July 24 (Reuters) – ‘Carbon prices in China’s Tianjin crumbled to the lowest level recorded in any of the seven pilot emission markets launched by the country, ahead of Friday’s compliance deadline, sparking calls for the government to cut the amount of permits.’

  134. July 26, 2014 11:20 am

    The Suppository of all wisdom..

    http://thesuppositoryofwisdom.com/

  135. August 2, 2014 4:40 pm

    Ill thought Thought bubble like everything the coalition does from ass end of ideology

    Hardsucker is saying that the Research in 2004 by Melbourne University professor of economics Jeff Borland is out of date and he had “anecdotal evidence” bullstit and lies moving around the country that it will be a success. The only thing out dated is them recycling an old policy that was a monumental ineffective fail

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-modelling-to-prove-abbotts-dole-plan-works-20140731-3cx9g.html#ixzz394vySsmc

  136. August 2, 2014 9:01 pm

    Widely Consulted..like the commission of Audit..listen to this Parrot
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/jobless-treated-same-as-offenders-20140730-3cujc.html

  137. August 3, 2014 10:59 am

    So here is your irrefutable proof Rupert is still on the case..accusing Matilda with a tenuous link of above all things Hacking…. The truth really does go to die in The Liberals directorate of propaganda, News Corp. .

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/revealed-the-plot-to-bring-down-tony-abbotts-daughter-frances/story-e6frg996-1227010751637

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/08/02/australian-accuses-new-matilda-plot-bring-down-abbott

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