Everybody (Still) Hates Tony Abbott (Part III)
Tony Abbott’s so-called achievement in scrapping the carbon tax last week has not arrested the government’s downward trajectory in the polls, with Labor’s primary support rising by three points and voters still favouring Opposition Leader Bill Shorten for a third consecutive month.
Abbott’s overall “trustworthiness” rating now stands at a record low of 35 per cent after Joe Hockey’s first budget, which has also shredded his standing as preferred treasurer.
Christopher Pyne’s “popularity” amongst voters remains steady at minus 35 per cent.
The budget’s mix of harsh cuts and new imposts, including the $7 GP co-payment and an increase in fuel tax, have wiped out a 17 percentage point advantage Mr Hockey had over shadow treasurer Chris Bowen in March.
That collapse comes after weeks of policy inertia by the government, which delivered a budget containing measures expressly ruled out before the election and for which it has since done little to build a case.
The Treasurer vacated the budget battleground during the carbon tax argument, only to return from holidays threatening to introduce harsher cuts unless the Senate capitulated to his demands.
The nationwide survey of 1400 people was taken from Thursday, July 17, to Saturday, July 19, and shows Labor well ahead of the Coalition on two-party preferred terms at 54 per cent to 46 per cent, based on 2013 preference flows.
That amounts to a swing to Labor of 7.5 per cent since September.
The survey period straddled the deaths of 37 Australian citizens and residents aboard Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, which was shot down over eastern Ukraine on Thursday night.
Mr Abbott’s assured handling of the atrocity in the hours since has been well received but this has not resulted in any lift in the polls.
His approval rating has improved mildly since the June survey but he remains deeply unpopular with a net rating – the percentage of those who approve of his performance minus those who disapprove – sitting at minus 18 per cent.
That is a seven-point improvement but he still trails Blib Shorten. The Opposition Leader’s net approval slipped into negative territory but is much healthier at just minus 3 per cent.
On preferred prime minister, Mr Shorten continued to lead by 5 per cent at 46 per cent to 41 per cent.
Pollster John Stirton said the result was a bad one for the government and especially for Mr Abbott.
”Mr Abbott fell behind in May 2014 after eight months in office, faster than any previous prime minister with the exception of Paul Keating who started out behind,” he said.
”Julia Gillard was preferred PM for her first 13 months in office … Kevin Rudd was never behind and John Howard was preferred PM for 21 months after being elected.”
When respondents were asked to say whether Mr Abbott or Mr Shorten was a ”strong leader”, the Prime Minister had a seven-point lead over his rival. But that same strength shows up in negative ways, with just 38 per cent of voters viewing him as open to ideas compared with 58 per cent for Mr Shorten.
On competence, Mr Shorten leads Mr Abbott by five points, 57/52, and Mr Shorten has a 10-point lead on the question of trustworthiness, 45/35.
Both men were seen as safe from internal challenge, with about two-thirds of voters believing they had the confidence of their parties.
However, Mr Abbott was way ahead of Mr Shorten on the issue of ”vision for Australia’s future”, leading 54 to 38 per cent.
Just 28 per cent of voters regard Mr Abbott as open to influence by minority groups compared with Mr Shorten, who is seen as malleable by 42 per cent.
Mr Abbott also leads on foreign policy competence, 43/38, and decisively on an ability to make things happen, where he is ahead by 22 points on 58/36.
On economic policy, the two are evenly poised but on sensitivity to social policy the Opposition Leader scored best at 58/34.
theguttertrash.com 
‘Everybody hates Tony’
Does the intelligence of the electorate swing wildly?
When they’re duped by Murdoch and his cohorts and turn on Gillard, the electorate is dumb.
Now that they’ve tried a Liberal government, and don’t like the experience, have they become really, really smart?
Perhaps the media (conspiracy) doesn’t quite have the clout some suggest.
‘However, Mr Abbott was way ahead of Mr Shorten on the issue of ”vision for Australia’s future”, leading 54 to 38 per cent.’
Worthless, who needs a PM who thinks he’s endowed with sharp projection.
‘AUSTRALIAN uranium sales to India could begin soon, the China free trade agreement negotiations remain on track to be clinched by the end of the year and the Trans Pacific Partnership deal could be signed by mid-2015.
‘Trade Minister Andrew Robb also told The Australian yesterday the nation had a unique window of opportunity to secure its $200 billion pipeline in infrastructure projects.’
Maher / Oz
There’s $200 billion sitting on the table, foreign investment ear marked for infrastructure, with only a small window of opportunity.
Abbott will be decisive, otherwise the money will go to Africa and South America.
‘Does the intelligence of the electorate swing wildly?’
Its a phenomenon of the communications revolution. In a couple of weeks Abbott should get positive polls after his harsh words to Vlad.
Russia caught editing Wikipedia entry about downed Malaysian airliner
Wikipedia: Reactions [to MH17]
‘Abbott was one of the first world leaders to publicly connect the shoot-down to Russia.’
Our leader showed courage, being the first kid on the block to stand up to Vlad.
Tell ya what for someone who purports to have a masters in Communications you are neither good at doing it nor analyzing it….
The electorate despises Abbott, he is dead meat even if he was giving away $100 bills like Howard.. he’s a lying dud who inadvertently sold a metaphorical and literal “PUP”
Positive polls? He started off with a clear majority and unpopular and a conservative analysis would be he has catastrophically self imploded into oblyvian going from dislikes to loathed. Clive Palmer and Bill Shortman ar actually looking good against him.. he is slightly more popular than a dinner plate of rancid pussy leprosy appendages..
Tony Abbott is a world leader with backbone and the electorate like that, the next polls should see a swing in his favour.
I seriously doubt it, el Gordo.
Abbott exposed his underbelly with the budget & his subsequent weasel wording & mistruth reclassification following it.
His lack of honesty is entrenched in the broader public’s minds eye now…& once impregnated it is inerasable.
Sure, he’s milking current events, as most politicians would. Far preferable than him having to be under scrutiny & fighting a rear guard defence of his recognisable untrustworthiness…but people won’t be enraptured by his mutterings about goings on in Eastern Europe for long. Noone but adherents actually think Vlad is in some way cowered by Abbott’s grandstanding.
Fancy having that cunt give your family a special phone call, because a family member was on MH17.
Utter SOP & intrusion from any fucken PM. Just something he wanted to say on TV.
If Vlad so much as glared across the table at Abbott he’d shit his knickers.
About the only thing those two have in common is homophobic tendencies.
Now that they’ve tried a Liberal government, and don’t like the experience, have they become really, really smart?
Perhaps the media (conspiracy) doesn’t quite have the clout some suggest.
First sentence negates the second, ToM … answers … YES … NO …
BTW … I’m BA-A-A-A-CK …..
I see nothing much changes here … 🙂
Even , ToSY, is pasting other people’s points of view, looking more like the Farnham Bear every day, Tones … 🙂
TB in da house…
Hey TB.. No not really.. Eggs seems to stuck and needs a reset… Squeal keeps talking about the Budget while tossing over a photo of ‘The Kouk” ..I think he’s in love with a man crush 🙄 .. grass growing paint drying usual dross…
How was the Surf? Wet a line?.. fuckin cold down here
I think Tony’s link (especially the bolded words) is supposed to assert that Abbott is indeed an International Statesman (sound of trumpets)…rather than a cynical sympathy vulture.
there must be something wrong at noise-poll,
it can`t be so, bolt said mr-rabbit has transitioned successfully from misogynist to international statesman
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‘Noone but adherents actually think Vlad is in some way cowered by Abbott’s grandstanding.’
That is hardly the point, this is an exercise in international relations and Abbott is a visionary, according to the latest polls.
‘….rather than a cynical sympathy vulture.’
Excuse me, this whole business is a bipartisan arrangement. Of course anarchist and nihilists are outside groupthink, silly me.
yeah, wiki edits are fine Tinfoil`osy, especially if ya`want to economize on brain-strain and not form ya`own view. Problem with wiki is it keeps changing, so your going to end-up with a massive page, probably with little correct on mh17 ie.propaganda.
From what l`ve seen, the language from the start has been totally stupid, and l doubt Vlad will be inclined to help a recovery operation and/or shut-down battlefield. #Teabags
‘Eggs seems to stuck and needs a reset…’
That’s not true.
A hundred years ago the Lusitania was sunk by a German U boat, which brought America into the war.
On this occasion there will be no WW3 because of MAD, so Abbott can flex his muscles without fear of reprisal. And the backing of Xi was the icing on the cake.
Remember we put a lot of time into searching for that other plane in the southern Indian Ocean and the Chinese were most appreciative.
””Lusitania”” ””U boat”” #irrelevant
””WW3 because of MAD”” #also irrelevant to mh17
””flex his muscles without fear of reprisal””
mr-rabbit is flexing within the parameters teh-usa allow a favored banana colony
””searching”” mh370 ””Indian Ocean and the Chinese””
lt is stupid to think china is not double-checking that mh370 was not flown over a battlefield somewhere, or china wants to but-in to mh17 unnecessarily
It was meant for TB who has an interest in history repeating itself.
I’m neither an anarchist or nihilistic.
Perhaps you don’t comprehend the words you are choosing.
Once, again, Abbott is only impressing the easily impressed & the adhered.
It’s cheap domestic theatre, not International Statesmanship.
‘It’s cheap domestic theatre, not International Statesmanship.’
Its clever politics, we’ll let the people decide through the polls.
””Its clever politics”” #WRONG AGAIN
I bet if our heroic Julia stood up to Vlad it would have been clever politics.
#WRONG AGAIN id directed at me dumpty, joolya would probably cow-tow to teh-usa approved bullshit like mr-rabbit is #teabags
‘joolya would probably cow-tow to teh-usa’
She would have, that’s why Tony is a potential statesman because he spoke first and Xi backed him up. Our alliance with the Americans should gradually evaporate over time as we draw closer to China.
and you`re off ya`rocker as usual dumpty,
mr-rabbit has cow-tow to teh-usa bullshit and you need the would`a, should`a, could`a joolya shit as some kind of fake-evidence that your delusion of mr-rabbit is wonderful,
but vlads the real-deal, far superior to any usa-lickspittles we have
Take another blue pill Egg
“but vlads the real-deal”
Your adulation of Putin is misplaced and ridiculous. It’s a nostalgic yearning for a leftist superhero that never was. There were leftist strongmen, but none of them heroes. Quite the opposite.
Vlad is an arch-cunt among men. He is about as deadly serious as a ‘Leader’ can get & given his history it’s not hard to understand why Abbott’s preening would barely register on his credibility receivers.
Vlad plays the long game in a way that meagre populations in the Southern Hemisphere can only gawp at.
None of which should be mistaken for tacit approval of Vlad.
sorry Tinfoil`osy, you come at it from the opposite direction,
more about non-adulation for our banana colony glove puppets with their `all-fours` obedience to teh-usa,
vlad is the real-deal not just in `toughness`, but critically independence, with no desire to be an approved satellite of teh-usa or eurotrashunion
At the end of the day, voters here are gonna be far more concerned with AbbottCorp’s ideologically driven budget intrusion, than any tacky strutting he does prematurely lecturing foreign leaders in the Northern Hemisphere.
It’s a passing, unconvincing distraction. Limpets love that shit.
I can only imagine the cringeworthy way Rudd would be carrying on, were he still in The Big Chair. I realise that trying to make political capital out of such events isn’t just an Abbottian phenomena.
Given Vlad’s stance on homosexuality, among other things, I’d say he’s far more of a conservative than a leftist.
Check your history. How do you think homosexuals fared under most leftist regimes? Vlad’s views are consistent with theirs.
‘It’s a passing, unconvincing distraction.’
No, its an ongoing drama until those bodies are returned.
if returned dumpty
Yes, and conservatives are so embracing of homosexuality.
Tinfoil`osy seems to struggle with discussion outside the left-right-narrative
*vlad is the real deal”
*Don’t blame the people who shoot missiles at passenger aircraft
Does anyone else think teabagz is unhinged?
The Mullahs…also leftists.
l`m too knackered to play with`ya at the moment yomm, but l do request, yet again, that yoy grow some nads when you quote others and use full, in-context quote.
GUFFAW …if it wasn’t so fucking tragic…
From Bolt’s blogroll; reckon he hasn’t visited this one for a few years…
http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com.au/
(Given that the modelling is going so well in Iraq, etcetera maybe it was appropriate to secure the expertise of general coordinators for Independent Ukraine’s emergency-peace-zones, after all.)
(Update: No, I’m wrong. Here is a compleat explainer for Aussies.)
(Update 2: Interference with bodies, ne plus ultra of outrageous sacrileges, continues unabated, according to the ABC.
Also, questions raised again about the safety of safety standards for flightpaths over conflict zones, and deferred on the ABC’s 7:30 Report.)
Everybody Loves Tony
‘Australia’s resolution condemning the downing of flight MH17 and demanding full access to the site from investigators has been unanimously adopted by the UN Security Council.
‘Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop told the UN Security Council that the MH17 crash was an ‘outrage’, she also condemned the ‘grotesque violations’ at the crash site, reported the ABC.
‘The UN Security Council unanimously supported the resolution at 5am (AEST) today in New York.
‘It was thought Russia might veto the resolution after they took umbrage with the phrase ‘shooting down’, but they supported the resolution after changing part of the wording.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2699359/Abbott-speaks-Putin-MH17.html#ixzz388iv6OlN
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‘Does anyone else think teabagz is unhinged?’
Yes ToM, but as I’m apparently also unstable I thought it best not to point the finger at bagz.
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Tony Abbott Statesman
‘Other Security Council members, including the US, the UK and France, applauded Australia’s leadership on the disaster.’
Magnay / Oz
Bovver Boy Vlad downed by the Monk in first round.
‘MOSCOW has bowed to Tony Abbott’s demands that it supports a UN resolution to be issued this morning demanding access to the crash site and an international investigation into the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17.’
Benson / Daily Terror
‘At the end of the day, voters here are gonna be far more concerned with AbbottCorp’s ideologically driven budget intrusion, than any tacky strutting he does prematurely lecturing foreign leaders in the Northern Hemisphere.’
Not really, the voters have already forgotten about the horror budget as our leader stands tall on the world stage.
However, Mr Abbott was way ahead of Mr Shorten on the issue of ”vision for Australia’s future”, leading 54 to 38 per cent.
we ‘get’ abbott’s vision all right and it’s been soundly condemned and rejected. He’s hoping that his anna bligh moment will gain him some much needed traction but minds are shut to the trickle up vision from corporate australia.
Abbott was quick off the mark about that other malaysian plane, daily pressers etc. saying it was found and then not found until there was no news left to tell. Still he popped up to tell us nothing when the govt was in a spot of bother.
in other recent news to interest tosy
the models are not wrong.
Climate models on the mark, Australian-led research finds:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-models-on-the-mark-australianled-research-finds-20140720-zuuoe.html
…A common refrain by climate sceptics that surface temperatures have not warmed over the past 17 years, implying climate models predicting otherwise are unreliable, has been refuted by new research led by James Risbey, a senior CSIRO researcher.
…In a study published in Nature Climate Change on Monday, the team found that models actually generate good estimates of recent and past trends provided they also took into account natural variability, particularly the key El Nino-La Nina phases in the Pacific…
” the voters have already forgotten about the horror budget as our leader stands tall on the world stage”
Yeah, and that’s reflected in his major recovery in the polls….
*rolls eyes*
“provided they also took into account natural variability”
D’uh. If natural variability is the major factor then of course it might explain changes in weather.
The fact remains that climate models got it wrong for the last 15 years – CO2 increased but temperatures didn’t. The vast majority of the models failed to predict this. So what did this paper do? Cherrypicking in hindsight:
“By selecting climate models in phase with natural variability ….”
But not your ordinary cherrypicking – they cherrypicked different models for different years. They haven’t identified models that got it right for the whole 15 year period. Looks like they couldn’t find models that got it right for the whole period so they cherry picked year by year. Oh dear.
The fact that Loony Lewandowsky is a co-author doesn’t help with credibility either.
I think Hawke, Keating and Howard could command respect from company boards.
Hawke particularly could have been a chairman of a significant public company, he had the intellect to put complex plans together.
By comparison we have Abbott and Shorten a generation later. Abbott is at the blundering supervisor level. Shorten is duplicitious, completely unreliable – he wouldn’t even survive a reference check to become a supervisor.
We’re f**ked either way.
‘Yeah, and that’s reflected in his major recovery in the polls….’
There is a lag, a few weeks from now he should get a bounce.
i’n other recent news to interest tosy’
Oh right.
Models fail to predict hiatus, its a disgrace.
“We’re f**ked either way.”
Sad but true. But do you want Malcolm to take over?
I don’t mind Turnbull.
In the ALP there are
halfa dozen people with more leadership capacity than Shorten – eg Bowen, Albanese, Plibersek, Dreyfus, Clare, Marles. I don’t think they’re all sensational politicians, but they’re preferable to Shorten. Bowen seems like a younger version of Keating (to me), it’s a pity he doesn’t have a safer seat.Turnbull may pass the “CEO test” but he wasn’t much good as leader of the opposition. He seems to be just another tall imperious born-to-rule narcissist named Malcolm. And like Trouserman before him he will spend his post-political career knifing his own party while trying to impress the intelligentsia.
As to the ALP lot, I hate politicians. True they are all preferable to Shorten. I suppose Bowen and Albanese are OK. Plibersek will probably be the next ALP PM although she is a stupid troll. Maybe Sam Dastyari should move to the lower house and become leader – hahahahaha. He is the very embodiment of ALP politics. Or maybe Joe Ludwig.
I can’t think of anyone on either side that I really like. Probably just lazy cynicism on my part.
The Murdoch Monopoly Almost At Work … 🙄
http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbotts-handling-of-malaysia-airlines-mh17-incident-sees-a-spike-in-his-approval-rating/story-fncynjr2-1226997715788
Palmer really does attract quality people to his party…
Palmer United Party Senator Jacqui Lambie asks a 22-year-old male, ‘Are you well-hung?’
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/palmer-united-party-senator-jacqui-lambie-asks-a-22yearold-male-are-you-wellhung-on-heart-1073/story-fnndfy6b-1226997163380
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Hello TB!
As to the ALP lot, I hate politicians
Translation — (” … but I like people to think I’m neutral …”)
LOL!
Turnbull may pass the “CEO test” but he wasn’t much good as leader of the opposition.
Translation — (“… ’cause some ALP voters like ‘im …”) (and let’s forget the utegate set-up, and Abbott took it by ONE vote) **
LOL!
I can’t think of anyone on either side that I really like.
Translation — (“… so I’ll keep on voting for the tories … “)
LOL!
**I thought MT was a decent pollie ’till he started bullshitting about the NBN and knew what he was lying… typical cheating, deceitful, untrustworthy, thieving Coalition politician … and of course I should have twigged earlier – he’s a catlik convert … 🙄
Just who is running my country? The Vatican via Pope Rupert?
Hello TB!
G’day, mate! 😉
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oops … apologies, RP, How was the Surf? Wet a line?.. fuckin cold down here
Was a bit chilly, up there too, don’t fish – my son is avid! But its an annual (sometimes) trip a few of my son’s friends and a couple of us father’s … they all fish – not real good this time …
‘Cause I don’t fish these days …
… my official “designation” is photographer (I make the video/slideshow of the trips) … this year the title – I’m thinking, “Fishin’ K’gari”**, and the, “Fishin'” fading out and, “Wildlife”, fading in …
Video of whales breaching, fur seal sunning and playing on the beach, echidnas, dingoes (of course), eagles etc … good footage … just limited fishing film …
**Kgari is the Aboriginal name for Fraser Island … much nicer, I reckon …
“As to the ALP lot, I hate politicians”
Me- i hate the ALP and its supporters. ALP supporters are the most deceitful lying pieces of filth i have ever met.
“I can’t think of anyone on either side that I really like.”
Me- i like Tony Abbott. I don’t need to know that Shorten is a scumbag. You have to be one to be elected leader of the the ALP.
“I thought MT was a decent pollie ’till he started bullshitting about the NBN and knew what he was lying”
Turnbull says lots of good stuff about ALP debt and economic vandalism. The ALP are economic vandals. Always have been always will be.
The NBN is a waste of money however the Coalition are stuck with it. It would take a fortune to get out of the contracts and to start all over again.
The Coalition policy in 2007 was much better but the Australian people fell for the lies of Rudd, Conroy and the rest of that immoral bunch who were elected in 2007.
That the Australian people fell for that bunch of immoral scum who they elected in 2007 says a lot about what Australia has become.
Palmer really does attract quality people to his party…
D’ja reckon, sunshine!
Chuckle …
Go Clivey! Please …
That the Australian people fell for that bunch of immoral scum who they elected in 2007 says a lot about what Australia has become.
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‘That the Australian people fell for that bunch of immoral scum who they elected in 2007 says a lot about what Australia has become.’
You mean ‘had become’, but let’s not talk about the past.
Well you have to talk about the past. And i still don’t get it. Why throw out a good govt in 2007 for a bunch frauds?
Hi TB
“Translation — (” … but I like people to think I’m neutral …”)”
I don’t give a rats. It is more like what I actually said: “I can’t think of anyone on either side that I really like. Probably just lazy cynicism on my part.” That last sentence was a bit of candid self-reflection, something completly beyond your ken.
“Translation — (“… ’cause some ALP voters like ‘im …”)”
Of course they do. His problem is that Labor wouldn’t have him.
“Translation — (“… so I’ll keep on voting for the tories … “)”
Unlikely. I don’t do party loyalty.
But I’ll keep bitching about corrupt Unionland types, victim pimps, carpet-bagging lobbyists, crony capitalists, race-baiting multiculturalists, fuckwits who want to limit free speech and anyone else who deserves it, including ALP tragics like you.
“Everybody Loves Tony”
Demonstrably false.
” the voters have already forgotten about the horror budget as our leader stands tall on the world stage.”
Easily impressed…even more easily led up the garden path, apparently. Bells & whistles don’t amuse every person who isn’t nailing their flag to the mast…ie, a majority. The Budget is out there & it isn’t going away.
Not everyone is as optimistically blind as an Abbottlicker.
FFS, even the rational conservatives here are canny enough not to be dropping sugary pro-Abbott propaganda. He eliminated your pet fetish, how about you now wake up and smell reality? You can afford to break ranks now…or continue to appear intellectually incestuous…
“And i still don’t get it. ”
And that’s what happens when you have monochromatic brain function. Expect to never ‘get it’.
“FFS, even the rational conservatives here are canny enough not to be dropping sugary pro-Abbott propaganda. ”
Surely you have to give a new govt some time before you make an opinion. Abbott has had some success. The boats have stopped even though everybody said it could not be done and we are now taking our refugees from camps not selling our places.
As for the budget, i am sure you have heard the story of humpty dumpty.
“Surely you have to give a new govt some time before you make an opinion.”
GUFfknFAW! 😯
Yeah, because you sure don’t hold any preconceived notions about ALP governments & supporters! UNFKNBLVBL!
If I had plenty of time on my hands, it wouldn’t be hard to go back & gather your reactions to an incoming ALP government the day after it happened , Neil!
You may not have noticed, but AbbottCorp has been in the role for a few months now. Definitely long enough for the façade to wear off in the eyes of enough voters to plummet in the polls. Abbott has burned all of that anti-ALP sentiment that partisan arsehats such as yourself labour to cultivate…already .
Now he’s left hanging in the breeze, exposed & recognised for himself.
el gordo is doing his level best to put sauce on the shit sandwich too, so all is not lost …snigger.
“If I had plenty of time on my hands, it wouldn’t be hard to go back & gather your reactions to an incoming ALP government the day after it happened , Neil!”
OK you got me on that one. I was just reacting to all the Labor supporters who said the Abbott govt was the worst the day after he was elected.
And he does have some success.
Be interesting to see comments from ALP supporters if Gillard was still PM and brought down the same budget as Hockey. I would suspect the comments would be different.
A good definition of honesty is if you can hold the same opinion no matter who is in power. But the ALP comments on the budget just proves to me they would never run surplus budgets for any length of time because their supporters cannot stand cutbacks in any area.
“A good definition of honesty is if you can hold the same opinion no matter who is in power.”
The wisest comment of yours I’ve ever read!
Strongly agree.
Now, try adhering to same.
”””””””””””has been refuted by new research led by James Risbey, a senior CSIRO researcher
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-models-on-the-mark-australianled-research-finds-20140720-zuuoe.html
”””””””””””[via-armchair]
looks like the csiro will cop another funding slash`n`burn from mr-rabbit, we can`t have expensive bolt-ipa propaganda being shredded with inconvenient research
“And he does have some success. ”
They all do…but it’s the hows, whats, wheres, whens & whys that tell the true story.
For instance, a foreign tragedy falling in the lap of any PM would/will be milked to death.
It’s certainly not a yardstick to measure them by.
l notice that JB and Samantha Power have managed to make lots of noise on behalf of MH17 victims families with `much focus` put on dead children. Too bad Power doesn`t make similar noise-level about her own nation drone-bombing Pakistan, 29/30ths of those killed labeled `collateral`. And too bad JB doesn`t make similar noise-level over israel killing children(targeted) on the beach. lt seems dead white children are much more important than living brown children. #Smell.the.Racism
””””It’s certainly not a yardstick to measure them by.””’
agree fully, it only provides large quantities of mindless yabba-dabba-doo for pre-welded lock-steppers
If I was a supreme cynic, I may suggest that Israel is taking the opportunity while the eyes of the world are on Ukraine…
””””eyes of the world are on Ukraine”””’
absolutely agree, tho l was referring above to the `united-arm-twisting` that seems to get `vetoed` RE israel killing the other lot
As long as the US, Russia China et al have the veto, status quo will be maintained & the UN will be a toothless shitcunt.
‘He eliminated your pet fetish, how about you now wake up and smell reality?’
Global cooling begins this year and what to do about it?
‘You can afford to break ranks now…or continue to appear intellectually incestuous…’
The left have nothing on offer, Bill is no visionary and fighting a rear guard action. I’m holding out for bullet trains and satellite cities from the visionary right.
By the time of the next election I may move back to the left if the relationship between unions and the Labor Party is eliminated, and Bill drops his pledge to reintroduce the tax on a harmless trace gas.
The Israel/Palestine issue is probably intractable, never ending conflict that escalates into war from time to time. This invasion probably has more to do with the emotions generated by the kidnapping and murder of youths from both sides than opportunistic use of MH17 and Ukraine.
I think the wars are timed fairly randomly, driven by internal political opportunity, neither side seems to get particularly bothered about international sentiment.
”””””the veto, status quo will be maintained & the UN will be a toothless shitcunt””””’
yeah agree, each nation would probably be better-off to stop throwing great wads of cash on these global herd-think bonfires, and put it into budgets (say-health) in their own nation, seems a massive waste to me
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https://theguttertrash.com/co2-and-you-iv/
fcuk orrrrrrrrrrrff dumpty, back ta`ya hole
Being the solitary troll at guttertrash isn’t a badge of honour teabaagz.
“each nation would probably be better-off to stop throwing great wads of cash on these global herd-think bonfires, and put it into budgets (say-health) in their own nation, seems a massive waste to me ”
I agree with this.
” This invasion probably has more to do with the emotions generated by the kidnapping and murder of youths from both sides than opportunistic use of MH17 and Ukraine.”
Yes, but…the State is circumspect about having Earth’s Minds’ Eye focussed directly upon it for a protracted period.
This tends to happen every time disproportionate force is exercised. More expeditiously distorted applications of force are far more readily undertaken whence the globular newscycle is cast aspence (I just made a word up?). It is historically observable that the State has been murderously opportunistic at such junctures in the past.
Doubt me? I bet [V}ETA & my other betters have links.
One Day Israel Will Overstep Its Way Out Of Existence.
* Beware The Zealots
** All Coloured Stripes Are Synonymous…
“The Israel/Palestine issue is probably intractable, never ending conflict that escalates into war from time to time.”
Yes.
“, neither side seems to get particularly bothered about international sentiment.’
No, I think each side is very aware of the PR war. I’m sure you’ve probably heard of ‘Paliwood’?
Only one side holds the whip hand however…unless they really want to exercise the David ultimatum.
l suspect confirmation-bias kicks-in in a big way with terms like `paliwood` and `hezbollywood` etc, (yeah sure, the pr war-tools are pretty much available to all) and it will depend on the what the `viewer` perceives as being least-evil/more-saintly on who is being killed l suppose. Pro-israel side will kick-up all kinds of `doubt` claims over footage showing heavy-handed israel-soldiers murdering children, and claim its `staged`, but then use footage shot by the very same film-crew, (israel claiming real-deal of course) of successful `truck-bomb` footage carried out by the other side.
(#ditto, vice-versa, of course)
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”””One Day Israel Will Overstep Its Way Out Of Existence.”””
yeah, the short-odds bet, l reckon
l suppose, as a footnote to `paliwood`, with teabag-media too often willing to float israel, teh-usa and Aust govt`s bullshit as gospel, the `free-lancers`/`independents` are a fly in their ointment too, so happy to slur and slag-off where possible.
“l suspect confirmation-bias kicks-in in a big way”
Yes, as exemplified by comments like this …
“Israel is taking the opportunity while the eyes of the world are on Ukraine…the State has been murderously opportunistic at such junctures in the past … One Day Israel Will Overstep Its Way Out Of Existence.”
and
“israel killing children(targeted) on the beach”
The left is always so pessimistic, which may have something to do with anomie.
Joko Widodo is just the sort of guy Indonesia needs right now.
‘ANTI-DISCRIMINATION advocates warned against “double standards” after Jacqui Lambie yesterday spoke of her desire for a “well hung” man, comments that provoked a fraction of the outrage sparked by Tony Abbott’s recent misjudged wink.
‘The Palmer United Party senator quickly apologised for telling commercial radio her ideal man “must have heaps of cash and … a package between their legs”.
Oz
I’m sure everything Jackie Lambie said was quite innocent. I mean, who would object if a male Senator, say Ricky Muir, said he was looking for a woman, and she must have big tits?
‘The Budget is out there & it isn’t going away.’
Kohler’s second graph suggests that horrendous budget is now history.
https://www.alankohler.com.au/
‘Not everyone is as optimistically blind as an Abbottlicker.
FFS, even the rational conservatives here are canny enough not to be dropping sugary pro-Abbott propaganda.’
It may appear as propaganda to you, but for me its nooze before it ‘appens. Do you understand the subtle difference?
”who would object if a male Senator, say Ricky Muir, said he was looking for a woman, and she must have big tits?”
Exactly, and not just Ricky either, perhaps it is the type of statement George Brandis could think about.
…or Warnie!!
http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/warnies-squeeze-posts-smoking-photo-20140722-zvttj.html
(she seems nice)
Not only do the unions exert unsatisfactory control over the ALP via the party structure, they then lie and cheat to top it up!
If the ALP and affiliated unions don’t agree to an amicable divorce soon, they’ll finish up with an acrimonious one,
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/twu-loses-labor-party-influence-as-membership-rort-is-caught-20140722-zvo0g.html#ixzz38F7r2P7n
“Israel is taking the opportunity while the eyes of the world are on Ukraine…the State has been murderously opportunistic at such junctures in the past … One Day Israel Will Overstep Its Way Out Of Existence.”
You don’t know the half of it. Israel shot down the plane for this very purpose. Hamas has always understood the perfidious Jews, as its Charter rightly explains:
As Hamas explained on 7.30 they are using their rockets to achieve peace:
The murderous Israelis are using their rockets to target and slaughter civilians. As we saw from WWII better outcomes are achieved when Jews don’t resort to force to ‘defend’ themselves. Leftists of goodwill everywhere realise they have a natural ally in Hamas and are rushing to join its righteous cause. Right-thinking Australians must rise up against Jewish chocolate shops.
I have a dedicated post up now about Israel…
( Do you understand the subtle difference?
No, not really. All I pretend to know, via a spontaneously-developing official narrative, is that black is the new orange, or vice versa if and when it comes to Malaysian-reacquired fluoro-orange black-boxes or an unmasked black-humourist’s bizarre tele-interview about the ‘lived’ conditions of ‘first-responders’ on the ground; and that staying on message is important for effective strategic communications; say, when revealing despicable cover-ups on an industrial scale or a prima facie case of evidence–tampering. Or, something like that.)
I’m a practicing projectionist without bias.
This post is about Tony’s bad polling, I reckon he’ll get a bounce in a couple of weeks.
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Contains Graphic Content and Vomit Inducing Scenes
Do Not Proceed if Easily Offended
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.716943044988489.1073741876.200318653317600&type=3
Now that is funny…. 😆
Well… she seems nice.
Roses bloom twice, apparently.
When I look at David Cameron’s wife, I always think – ‘she could have done so much better for herself’
hmmm…
… including ALP tragics like you.
LOL! How similar we are in so many ways, sb … 🙂
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If I was a supreme cynic, I may suggest that Israel is taking the opportunity while the eyes of the world are on Ukraine…
Pure logic from where I sit … predicted the warmonger, Netanyahu, would be up to his old tricks as soon as he was elected … just like the old KGB officer is doing in Ukraine …
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” This invasion probably has more to do with the emotions generated by the kidnapping and murder of youths from both sides than opportunistic use of MH17 and Ukraine.”
So using this logic we should bomb the crap out of Russia for their involvement in killing 28 Aussies?
Mmmmmm …
Right-thinking Australians must rise up against Jewish chocolate shops.
Chuckle, splutter …
Hamas have certainly done their research into Western conspiracy theories, sb, the only one’s that didn’t get a mention were the Catliks … and maybe the Huguenots …
Greens hate middle class welfare, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
‘THE Greens are prepared to vote down Tony Abbott’s flagship parental leave policy out of dismay that key details of the scheme have been kept out of the budget despite the $9.8 billion cost of the payments.’
Crowe / Oz
”So using this logic we should bomb the crap out of Russia for their involvement in killing 28 Aussies?
I’m not sure what form of logic you’re applying TB, but it’s not the same as the logic I apply.
The Greens are good at getting nothing of their agenda achieved because they insist its either their way or no other.
They used to support the PPL but now due to other policies they refuse.
Remember the Rudd ETS………………..they could have had an ETS now they have nothing
They are wreckers for both the LNP and ALP.
Abbott can sacrifice the PPL, DAP, Green Army etc and put them in the bottom draw until the next election.
In light of recent events, which one knew what they were talking about in this Presidential debate?
The local publican said he knows a young man who was booked on the MH17, but because he turned up so drunk they refused to let him on the plane.
I cannot confirm this story.
You mean people in Amsterdam drink to excess ????????????????
Who knew ?
This is why people hate Abbott
I’m not sure what form of logic you’re applying TB, but it’s not the same as the logic I apply.
You apply logic????
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Remember the Rudd ETS………………..they could have had an ETS now they have nothing
Fair call, Wally … as for wreckers, I don’t think it’s deliberate … just dumb decisions …
Shorten reckons he is going to take an ETS to the next election.
Goodluck with that one Billy Boy
With the Greens in the Senate the LNP will quickly and legitimately claim that the Greens will refuse to accept it and probably demand a new $26 per tonne Carbon Tax since the EU ETS price is a princely $7 a tonne.
The Kiddies are not happy Tony
‘Goodluck with that one Billy Boy’
China is having difficulty, so by next election Bill may have to change his tune.
BEIJING, July 24 (Reuters) – ‘Carbon prices in China’s Tianjin crumbled to the lowest level recorded in any of the seven pilot emission markets launched by the country, ahead of Friday’s compliance deadline, sparking calls for the government to cut the amount of permits.’
The Suppository of all wisdom..
http://thesuppositoryofwisdom.com/
Ideology over employment… Abeits and Hard sucker are out of their depth
http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/08/02/welfare-changes-more-about-prejudice-than-policy-hewson/1406901600#.U9x-fvmSx8G
Ill thought Thought bubble like everything the coalition does from ass end of ideology
Hardsucker is saying that the Research in 2004 by Melbourne University professor of economics Jeff Borland is out of date and he had
“anecdotal evidence”bullstit and lies moving around the country that it will be a success. The only thing out dated is them recycling an old policy that was a monumental ineffective failhttp://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/no-modelling-to-prove-abbotts-dole-plan-works-20140731-3cx9g.html#ixzz394vySsmc
Widely Consulted..like the commission of Audit..listen to this Parrot
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/jobless-treated-same-as-offenders-20140730-3cujc.html
So here is your irrefutable proof Rupert is still on the case..accusing Matilda with a tenuous link of above all things Hacking…. The truth really does go to die in The Liberals directorate of propaganda, News Corp. .
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/revealed-the-plot-to-bring-down-tony-abbotts-daughter-frances/story-e6frg996-1227010751637
https://newmatilda.com/2014/08/02/australian-accuses-new-matilda-plot-bring-down-abbott