Rostrum: Operation Operational Operations Edition!

Well the hatred never ceases.

Do ALP supporters do anything but hate?

Hockey is trying to clean up the mess of debt and deficit the ALP and its supporters created.

Abbott is bring fairness into our asylum seeker program. Instead of economic immigrants buying their way into Australia we are now starting to take refugees from UNHCR camps once again.

It is true- ALP supporters are nothing but scum.

Why is Hockey a bastard??

He is trying to clean up the mess Reb, TB, Toilet caused and anybody else who voted for Labor in 2007.

Actually the Coalition is the only hope for refugees in asylum camps. Under Labor we took anybody with $10,000.

Apparently since the boats have stopped we are now beginning to take refugees from asylum camps once again, like we did under Howard.

Hockey was handed a budget mess by people who think money grows on trees and who think they are kind and compassionate by borrowing money and handing it out willy nilly.

The mess was created by people who think we are sovereign in our own currency and can print money to pay off debt.

That is by total fools who do not care about people or our country but only care about stuffing their immoral beliefs down our throats.

I’m putting this up again to illustrate how we could have saved millions of Jews and perhaps altered the course of history.

http://guides.naa.gov.au/safe-haven/chapter2/kimberley-scheme.aspx

Now if Abbott reaches out to the Palestinian people to settle east of the Kimberly, it would get universal endorsement.

It tastes like bitter sweet irony.

‘ITS THE 21st CENTURY!’

Exactly my point, we need a solution not continued recrimination and murder on both sides. Not that Abbott would ever consider such a solution.

Deluded?? Me? What about this comment?

“Governments which issue their own currency (fiat currency) such as Australia, the US, UK, China, Japan, etc… can never go broke”

Govts can never go broke? What if people decide not to lend the govt any money? I guess lefties would say well the govt will just print some money.

I think lefties are insane. Then we have this comment.

“They simply create more money ex nihlo.”

If govts can create money from nothing then why go to work. Lets just get the govt to make money from nothing to pay all our bills.

”””’wildly over-egged the pudding with regard to MH17.”””

yeah, the language from day-one indicated that teh`russians` were going to be blamed(who always has been, and always will be by teh-usa and uk, and they will never do anything good, and will always be evil, and the banana colony will follow suit) even tho it is most likely a `collateral` event,

from TV interviews with various talking-heads, Aust limits $600K(per-head) to airline crash deaths, which explains everybody jumping on the `terrorism` bandwagon, which has $no-limit(per-head), so l don`t expect any investigation to come to any other result than `terrorism`, and allow recklessly negligent airline off hook #teabags

Great Article by one of the great politicians in Australia

http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2014/07/26/why-hockeys-budget-rhetoric-doesnt-stick/1406296800#.U9L-AfmSx8G

‘It’s not hard to conceive why.’

For christ’s sake it fell in his lap, get over it.

“For the record, AbbottCorp has wildly over-egged the pudding with regard to MH17.”

I think toiletcantankerousnightsoil has a point.

Abbott has accused Russia of being involved, if only as supplier of the missile launcher. He has, in concert with the Netherlands, orchestrated a UN Security Council Resolution to secure the crash site and have the bodies removed. He has spoken to Putin more than once demanding Russia cooperate with the resolution. He has called for a full investigation and for the perpetrators to be brought to justice.

37 Australians died on MH17. Clearly Abbott over-reacted.

So you expected Abbott to quiver and quake, instead he manned up and the electorate will give him a bounce in the polls.

I know its shit, but that’s life, it happens. Take off your political blinkers and recognise that MH17 was not orchestrated by Cred and the Abboteers,

‘He didn’t do it earlier in the year when MHxx disappeared…’

I disagree, Cred and the Abboteers milked that MH disappearance for all it was worth, impressed the Chinese greatly. Good neighbours do things like that, but he was a bit embarrassing at times.

‘it is likely to be minor & temporary…’

Its likely to be considerable and increase in the run up to Xmas, the G20 and infrastructure building should distract the masses for awhile.

No

Tony Windsor is a liar and a traitor to Australia, his electorate and anybody who voted for him.

A man who sold out anybody for money.

””””””””fired the missile. I think it’s reasonable to try to figure out whether there is any evidence for this,””””””””

#yabba-dabba-doo #tinfoil.cubicle.wisdom

by your own reckoning, you reckon its `reasonable` to ignore that war-birds were shot-down before #MH17,

and by your own reckoning, you reckon its `reasonable` to ignore that war-birds were shot-down AFTER #MH17, #teabags

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and ya`still have`nt produced any advertising, from `any` airline,
(along the lines of),

BATTLEFIELD SHORT-CUT DISCOUNT FLIGHTS,

which could absolve the airline from its reckless negligence, as consumer/passengers would have been `fully` informed of the risks the consumer/passengers were `choosing` to take #teabags

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(I must admit, I’m still not entirely sure about risky managementy stuff; presumably it is safer and easier to prohibit combatants in active warzones from shooting down civilian aeroplanes by accident, mistake, or design than it is to better regulate civilian planes traversing over/through such (un)safe airspaces or to compel better end-user disclosures for you-too-can-be-not-even-an-informed-purchasers; and I also agree that it’s very reasonable and momentum-creating for a Canberranean Sky-Commander-in-Chief, who incidentally hasn’t personally burnt through any public moneys on VIP flights recently unlike ruddy-you-know-who, explicitly to pronounce a considered public policy of profound and deliberate ignorance about the politics of a-nation when sending b-troupes into the field, other than to strongly endorse attempts by frequent-flyer-c-and-retinue to sign-off on a high-level memo with nation-a caretaker officials of utmost character and most helpful demeanour, especially when a-nation has just dissolved its parliament because its central government can’t ram through a compulsory-military-conscription-or-jail law for all (regional) citizens and has prominently announced a surrender-or-die message, again, for any and all uncooperative citizens in relation to the very region specified for a b-troupe visitation as its strong contribution towards pressurizing for an all-inclusive and thoroughgoing objective investigation; so, overall and on balance, I’m still reasonably open to more and better information, if there is any, about such matters, I guess.)

””””””””””””””””””””””””risky managementy stuff; presumably it is safer and easier to prohibit combatants in active warzones from shooting down civilian aeroplanes by accident, mistake, or design than it is to better regulate civilian planes traversing over/through such (un)safe airspaces or to compel better end-user disclosures for you-too-can-be-not-even-an-informed-purchasers””””””””””””””””’

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(For certain; the Personal Fluffer for our organization truly believes that battlefields come with pre-installed air-bags, side-curtains, bumper-bars and traffic lights.)

”””I also pointed out that Qantas sensibly stopped flying””’

yeah, immediately after l pointed it out to you,

to the rest of your waffle, boo-hoo-hoo, you pick these stupid arguments, then go to tears after l`ve thrashed`ya, now that meta has come along and basically said the same as what l`ve always said, from day one, you start running and back-peddling

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…and while I’m at it…

There are about a dozen contributors here who have exchanged opinions and humour for about 8 years. The exchanges are tolerant and good natured, even given the deep philosophical differences that exist.

The “culture” of this blog a credit to them and particularly to reb.

On the other hand teabagz is wilful in his disruptive intent, rarely putting forward a lucid point, but otherwise smarming to a few here.

Teabagz is a disruptive, semiliterate dill, in what is otherwise a group with plenty of generosity and tolerance of all perspectives.

…infer `banning`

More bullsh*t. I’ve never lobbied for the banning of anyone, I’ve responded to your stupid, poorly written trolling, because trashing you entertains me from time to time.

It’s also my civic duty to this blog to point out that you are a complete f**kwit.

”””because trashing you entertains me”””

and a fine job you`re doing too #teabags

<I” (for the record, l dropped the 1st mh17 comment)”

But repeated it here about a dozen times – that’s a true commitment to trolling.

‘Not one of your “predictions” ever bears fruit … I suppose its a scatterbraingun approach – eventually you’ll score by sheer chance …’

My Gillard predictions were wrong, I was certain she would fall on her sword a lot earlier. The excuse I gave at the time was that a woman’s mind is a vast assortment of unknowns.

Bu comparison, Abbott is an open book.

The infrastructure PM will do what he says and the elimination of a filthy tax was easily foreseeable.

This is Political Science 1, do try and keep up.

shit armchair, l think guardian may be wrong, joolee was saying adf was going to be part of `mission` on telly, within last hour or so

“…shit armchair, l think guardian may be wrong…”

That’ll be interesting!
Article written by a Paul far real and ‘agencies’

‘Are you suggesting that the male buddy/networking methods can’t always work with females?’

Nothing like that, its my inability to fathom the depths of their thinking.

So you walk away from the comment everywhere but here, where you repeat it a dozen times.

That’s either a serious commitment-
• to trolling or
• to stupidity

‘Angst here derives from over the top, or consistent pounding of the same message …’

Is that right?

This is Luke Hartsuker (cock sucker, hard sucker) “A Cunt remember ” from Coffs harbor where unemployment is somewhere between 8 and 12 percent. Its stated as lower but the fact is most people have given up there because this ass wipe is not interested in attracting and holding onto local business. The biggest industry in Coffs for a while was unemployment service providers. So most just leave the region. He is a swinging dick in town whose family have a Dutch themed caravan park, which tells you what type of fuckwit he is in one…. Now I speak entirely from experience having the misfortune of meeting him.. this guy is bone stupid arrogant neocon wingnut, dumb as a box of nails… Here come the Green army conscripted soldiers of political opportunism and ideology….

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/budget-2014/most-jobseekers-are-to-be-required-to-work-for-the-dole/story-fnmbxsh3-1227003193531

(tb)”””””””’encroaching on a civil war … Sending 230 armed** (see below) AFP officers into a war zone is absolutely crazy”””””””””

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said “a number’’ of those in the operation would be armed, but she would not say how many.

agree TB, having `some` armed made`em all targets, so-idiotic, may as well have`em `all` armed, but l can`t see joolee and mr-rabbit halting their international grandstanding long enough to work that out

‘vacuously contrived as ideologic payback on the run devoid of consequence..’

That’s not entirely accurate.

“Is it just me, or does it seem that our media is trying to outdo North Korea’s in the “Dear Leader Immortalizing” category?”

It’s just you.

It’s just you.

Or is that people who accept bias and the resultant lies cannot see it?

This guy apparently got on the front page. This is their “chief” political reporter ffs. Talk about Hagiography

There is no doubt that he has led the world. Those that know him will tell you that he is no “surrender monkey”.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/simonbenson/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_nation_has_a_true_leader_in_tony_abbott/

obviously simon doesn’t read news from elsewhere in the world. The Malaysians and the Dutch have been “leading”, with tabot providing unwelcome aggravations at the least required times.

While our media were wetting themselves over tabots UN resolution (they forgot to mention that the Malaysians and Dutch had already garnered access to the site through quiet diplomacy with the very people tabot and his cohorts were previously demonising (and are now trusting)

Apart from the almost R rated scenes thrust into our eyes every news episode (which I have now largely abandoned), they also fail to report on what other countries are doing, until we jump onto their tailcoats, and then try and pretend it was somehow due to us.

I thought the last election was a low point in reporting. This episode has even eclipsed that. It is beyond parody.

And to think that gubamint has just passed a law that can jail journalist for reporting over what it is doing.

Try and equate that with Labor trying to get up an equivalent of press council for print in the same manner as tv has and the resultant “outrage” from the assembled throng. The silence is deafening

No, our media makes the North Korean mob look like rank amateurs

I agree with everything splatter said.

The hilarity continues

Overall, Abbott has been much more successful in foreign affairs

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Your own biases are showing.

I don’t doubt it.

Yes, I’m biased about being misled by our media and gubamint, I admit it.

‘try claiming that someone is a “vociferous” supporter of something, and see what that gets you’

Some light hearted banter?

“Joe Hockey has told New Zealand that there is no crisis in the Australian economy, nor is it in trouble.”

The economy may be doing OK but the budget is trashed. The two things are not the same. Unemployment at 6% was as good as in got under Hawke/Keating. Of course it reached 4.3% under Howard/Costello.

And of course a trashed budget which is not fixed will eventually lead to a trashed economy.

Say what? Indonesia

That is the most obvious one TB. I mean, within 3 months of office, the libs had reset over twenty years of diplomatic work with the Indonesians and we get to renegotiate all of that with them now having all the ‘hand’

And, lets not forget our brave lead with Sri Lanka, while the rest of the world fights to find out what really went on there, we are actually fighting to prevent that occurring. Open gubamint my arse

One Minute squeal is shrilling emergency now its ok in defence of Joes medicine show that has doubled the deficit.. no doubt about wingnuts they just cant be lubricated by fact to loosen the nut.

Splatter…Considering Abbotts efforts in the US, Indo and the rebranadising of israel/Palo, versus the fruitful work of Rudd Gillard in China and Asia generally by legacy this little stunt is a diversionary foghorn… Actually apart from sign a bullshit show pony trade deal with the Japs so we can all enjoy fukushima fish of negligible advantage to Aus…

The Hypocrisy is astounding considering Julie Bishop is sitting in a seat on the UN security council that they were actively politically campaigning against as a waste of money and grandstanding as part of their No platform …pathetic.

And being Treasurer Hockey has to be careful what he says.

A little late for that, don’t you think?

Not sure if this is in the book or not but Joe Hockey could be called the “Accidental Treasurer”

Some of you might recall that Joe’s seat of North Sydney was actually held by highly repected Indie Ted Mack.

Consequently no one really wanted the Liberal preselection except Joe who agreed to give it a try knowing it would be futile up against the very popular Ted Mack.

Anyway Ted decided one night (if I recall correctly) in January 1996 to no longer contest the Seat and rang Joe that night whereupon the conversation went………..

Ted Mack : Hi Joe its Ted Mack

Joe : Oh………….Hi Ted. What can I do for you ?

Ted Mack: I was just calling to congratulate you on becoming the next Member for North Sydney as I’ve decided not to contest……….I’m retiring.

Joe :…………………………………………………….(Just silence)

**********Dont ask me how I know this…………….I just know ********************

Joe Hockey has told New Zealand that there is no crisis in the Australian economy, nor is it in trouble.”

So you cant tell the difference between the entire economy and government debt now……………………..astounding !

This is the kind of stupid we have to put up with here

Julie Bishop heading to Ukraine to urge deployment of troops to MH17 crash site
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Foreign Minister Julie Bishop and her Dutch counterpart Frans Timmermans will return to Ukraine today to urge the government in Kiev to recall Parliament and approve the deployment of armed Australian troops to the MH17 crash site.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/julie-bishop-heading-to-ukraine-to-urge-deployment-of-troops-to-mh17-crash-site-20140727-zxazo.html

I’m not sure Frans Timmermans agreed with her about the “armed troops”, the article is “inconclusive” about that (like much of the articles are) but we’d never know from our locals. Luckily, the Internets is global. Something the libs seem to keep forgetting

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte says sending out an international military force to secure the site of the downed Malaysian Airlines plane in eastern Ukraine is “unrealistic”.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28518056

The Dutch must be wondering what kind of cosmic karma got them linked up with nutters like tabot and bishop.

And the Union witch hunt removes all pretenses.

Disclose all contact with unions to royal commission, federal departments told

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/27/disclose-contact-unions-royal-commission-federal-departments?CMP=twt_gu

The polls must be looking pretty bad right now for them to go to this extreme.

none of the above yomm.

What puts him out of touch is handing down a budget that has trashed everything Australians love about this country (a fair go for all), and then wondering what the hell the fuss is about.

But of course, to you, it is all about Labor ROFL

This done under the auspices of our minister for ‘ta Ladies’ and the self proclaimed minister for Aborigines. What a hypocritical fuckwit. He’s the minister for pushing religion (HIS) everywhere.

More than 25 feminist women’s refuges in NSW have lost their government funding, with their buildings being handed over to religious or other charities. Many shelters will no longer focus on providing specialist services for domestic violence victims. And the attack on services for Aboriginal communities has been especially savage. Wendy Bacon reports.

The Bourke Refuge could not provide comment, but an Aboriginal woman in Bourke who preferred not to be named said the Aboriginal community was not consulted, and that because religious agencies were involved in the Stolen Generation removal of children, the community is concerned women may avoid seeking help.

https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/25/updated-gutting-and-gagging-feminist-womens-refuges

the electorate has rejected socialism with a human face and prefer the free enterprise model.

Rubbish. They got sold a dud after being blinded by bullshit. The reaction to the budget displays this far better than your inane blatherings

The reaction to the budget displays this far better than your inane blatherings’

It was a tough budget because they had to show the international community that Australia is open for business. Free trade and infrastructure will drive progress over the coming decade.

The electorate was consistently lied too using the word socialism as a code for communism

I don’t know about you, but “work for the Dole” could feasibly have a hammer and sickle as it’s logo and nobody would blink

No shit sherlock

It’s just that we don’t have them here

The ’emergency’ was to get the books looking good to attract $200 billion in foreign investment to build infrastructure. Its sitting on the table and Abbott wants it all.

This is clearly what the NSW premier is waiting for too.

Of course, but with the best of intentions.

“And this is important because? Do we care how he got the job by default? ”

Oh do f**k off…………………..did you wake up cranky again this morning ?

You might not care…………but others might be interested about the conversation that took place that night back in 1996.

‘I wonder if lies will get this sort of result’

Heaps more and it has nothing to do with agricultural investments.

Citing Swan as a credible source of commentary on the budget is incredible.

Although I disagree with pretty much every rant you spewed about Swan in that diatribe, who was citing Swan?

‘Yeah? Tell that to the pensioners, parents and kids, the sick, the poor and the unemployed …’

If they are still pissed off in a couple of years then the Abbotteers will be thrown out, which is unlikely to happen.

A burgeoning middle class is the best thing that could happen for parents and their kids, pensioners and the sick, but the poor and unemployed need to get real.

who enjoys the benefit of this blog to write shite

Yes, but in that, he’s not alone 😉

“Tim Dunlop examines why we should be questioning tabots role on MH16, ”

MH16 ???????????????????

Have they lost another one or is it just you and facts that are allergic to each other

A master of obfuscation.

Plus, Plus, Plus

These are the people our msm would have us believe tabot is influencing. They are not Lionising them. They are Lionising the loose canon

His comments can effect the stock market and the value of people shares.

I guess the same could be said for his opposition counterpart too hey 😉

(Erm, it does look a little bit like Dunlop’s been talking out of his proverbial, again:

“Tony Abbott has received the public’s approval for his leadership through the MH17 disaster but they’re yet to forgive him over controversial budget measures. A News Corp poll released on Monday shows 48 per cent of people believe the prime minister has shown more leadership in response to the downing of the flight, and his hard-line stance on Russia, than US President Barack Obama….Mr Abbott also trails Labor leader Bill Shorten as preferred prime minister, with most voters choosing Mr Shorten to manage the economy.
Voter anger over budget reforms, most of which have stalled in the Senate, has been blamed for the domestic polling results.”)

Toilet

Your comments just reinforces my belief that Labor does not believe in surplus budgets and cannot control its spending to get one.

One reason Howard/Costello got thrown out was because they were running surplus budgets. Australians do not like that. They want the money spent on themselves and stuff the surplus.

Some of you say the Costello tax cuts were too generous causing structural problems in the budget. Now you say Costello taxed people too much.

You really aren’t bright are you

The media hasn’t been able to quell anti-budget sentiment.

truedat toilet. In fact, a lot of their budget analysis has been quite incisive. Which is all the more depressing, because it shows they know how it can be done. They just refuse to do it.

The media would be preening any Australian PM under the circumstances.

Yea, cos Gillard was treated with such awe during the Queensland floods wasn’t she? Was that where “wooden” originated?

He tends to lump me into dumb comments a lot.

I think they call it “rambling” 😉

It’s what happens when his mum gets called away and cannot fix is enunciations in time

That was a domestic situation, TomR.

Didn’t I specifically say “Queensland” floods 😉

‘A big if there toilet. Still a couple of years to go ….’

Exactly, so a majority will forget Hockey’s horrendous budget.

Nice to see that all that time polishing the turd instead of informing the readers didn’t go to waste

MH17 is a sideshow which will peter out.

Precisely. The budget will return, it already has for most, especially with the dumbass 40 jobs a month requirement being unveiled, which appears to have overtaken all the other papers who aren’t lost in dear leaders numbers (why didn’t they splash about his last huge plunge after the budget?)

Settle down egg Decimation of this disgraceful deceitful filthy acrid corpse of a government is imminent as Abbott is about as believable as Monkton even if they bring em home and Rabbott sheds a tear they are still fucking toasted.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/07/27/galaxy-52-48-to-labor-5/

Two years is a long time in politics and you are woefully biased.

InfrastructureInfrastructureInfrastructure

at this rate there will be revolt in the streets.

There already has been

The media yawned, mainly because they didn’t understand it all. Dopey shits.

“Even if the budget is radically watered down, killed in the Senate or dropped, people have already been privy to its malicious intent & the semantic deceit & broken promises which came with it.”

Well at least they are trying something. Labor did nothing for 6 years but spend, spend, spend. Labors 6 budgets should be proof to anyone with a functioning brain that Labor cannot control its spending. Never have, never will.

Labor did nothing for 6 years but spend, spend, spend.

Funny, the facts say otherwise

‘The media yawned, mainly because they didn’t understand it all. Dopey shits.’

That’s because they were organised rallies and not newsworthy, but Ricky’s comment ‘there will be revolt in the streets’ is valid.

If the government goes ahead with draconian measures against the unemployed, there will be beggars outside McDonalds, not to mention increasing break-ins and assaults on the street.

This would be untenable and a massive fail, so they need to soften their hard line or pull a rabbit out of the hat.

not newsworthy

Is that because alan jones wasn’t there to lie to journo’s?

The main point i was trying to make is that Swan got his predictions wrong.

Treasury got the predictions wrong, as they do EVERY time.

And spending went up under Swan.

Did you read the link?

Did you read the budget?

http://www.budget.gov.au/2014-15/content/bp1/html/bp1_bst10-05.htm

Costello spent $271.8B in his last budget which was 23.1% of GDP. Spending exploded under Swan reaching $339B in 2009/10 which was 26% of GDP.

Did you read the budget?

Yes

Table 4 is interesting, is it not?

them blue cards work really well

None of them do unfortunately TB. 😦

And Queensland sells the state

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/07/qld-prepares-for-asset-fire-sale/

Yes Bligh/Beattie trashed the budget so Queensland needs to sell assets to pay off the debt.

“Table 4 is interesting, is it not?”

Yeah receipts dropped but spending exploded. I love the comment from your link

Greg O’Donnell
Posted Friday, 27 September 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

Dear Bernard, you state how Wayne Swan cut spending by 3.2% in a particular year, which is correct. Could you advise how much he had increased spending in the previous year, whatever the justification for doing so?

Spending exploded under Swan. Spending went up 12% in his first year.

Now whistleblower Kathy Jackson looks crooked!! Even “nice” union officials are dubious.

What a great union the HSU is… the ANF hand HSU discuss amalgamation from time to time. I suspect people like AO will be glad those discussions have never gone anywhere.

(For certain; neither lightening up, nor hardening up will change their fate. Not even light hearted banter will save the recklessly negligent airline from its own demise now.)

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In a devastating critique into the formation of Australia’s biggest infrastructure projects, former Productivity Commission head Bill Scales has found the NBN Co set up to develop the high-speed internet network was given a job that only a “well-functioning, large and established” telecommunications company could do under the tight time¬tables for the rollout. For a start-up, it was an “impossible assignment”.
Mr Scales said he was told that some of those involved in the first 12 months of the NBN Co were “making it up as they went”, while others related a “salutary anecdote” that, in the early days of NBN Co, ‘‘all we had (to guide us) was the press release and a bunch of business cards”.
In a move that will reignite political debate over the NBN, the Coalition late yesterday tabled the 186-page audit into the process that led to the formation of Labor’s NBN. It is significant as it contains sweeping recommendations on what future actions Canberra should take when considering major projects such as the network. It also comes ahead of an independent cost-benefit analysis into broadband and the regulatory ¬arrangements for the NBN.

Well, who would have thought that NBN was set up in a chaotic rush??

It happens that I had a little involvement with NBN during that time.

The establishment of that organisation was a disaster, people were appointed at several levels above their capability and experience, there was little co-ordination of activity. Executives were tripping over each other in establishing their departments and defining their authority.

People with no background or qualifications in the management of billion $ projects were put in charge of negotiating the contracts with wily contractors. NBNs cost model was based on small projects carried out by Telstra, with no thinking or accommodation of the demands, expectations or requirements of rolling out construction across multiple sites in busy metropolitan areas.

It was a costly disaster, a debacle.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/labors-nbn-rushed-chaotic-says-audit/story-e6frgaif-1227013441446

“Well, who would have thought that NBN was set up in a chaotic rush??”

That’s a completely over the top comment ToM.

Absolutely ridiculous. You state that as though it was created out of a 10 minute conversation beside a watercooler.

The facts are that it was created and fully costed by Conroy and Rudd on the back of a dry drinks coater on a 1 1/2 hour flight between Brisbane and Sydney (if I recall correctly).

To say otherwise is a complete distortion/misrepresentation.

NBN will deservedly thrash the ALP’s reputation for delivery of infrastructure projects.
• Over budget
• Behind delivery target
• Poorly planned
• Shambolic administration/project execution

(I tipped this)

Bill Scales, a former Telstra director, secretary of Victoria’s Department of Premier and Cabinet and member of the Gonski Review,

But hey………………..what the F**k would he know ?

“”lol, lapping at the oz’s coolaide I see yomm.””

Fairfax has also laid the boot into the ALP

lol, I just read this from the “Independent Audit”

Looks like “chaos” was already assumed.

The NBN policy development and discussions were taking place in an environment of frenetic and chaotic activity within the Government caused mainly by the effect or anticipated effect of the GFC on the Australian economy

http://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/02%20Parliamentary%20Business/22%20Chamber%20Documents/223%20Tabled%20Papers/Documents%20Presented/Out%20of%20session/040814_audit_report

rushed? Yet this is what Lindsay Tanner is quoted as saying.

In January 2009 we met almost continuously for two weeks, in almost every capital city, to craft the second stimulus package. We later moved on to conduct extensive deliberations on the National Broadband Network proposal,

But this is the most telling

The NBN policy development was also being conducted against a backdrop of
an almost complete breakdown in the relationship between the Government and Telstra

Who wrote this “Independent Audit” again??

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“”Please Note: Your comment is awaiting moderation.””

Yes …. indeed ….

As the Hubot said to his mistress, ‘why the fuck did you turn me off?’

but stuffing up a $43,000,000,000 project is worth commenting on

Who says they did. Oh, that’s right, the guy they beat at his own game.

http://www.budde.com.au/Research/Australia-National-Broadband-Network-Policies-and-Regulations.html

But yes, a former Telstra shill, who profusely uses words like “appear” and “seems” in an “Independent Audit”

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”words like “appear” and “seems”…are entirely reasonable in an analysis of an ad hoc process.

…are entirely reasonable in an analysis of an ad hoc process.

Well, if you start with the assumption (another good word) that the process was “ad-hoc”

Mind you, if they had all the evidence, it wouldn’t have “appear” or seems”, it would be a stated fact.

The report actually lists quite a number of external and internal agencies involved in the development of the MkII plan which took over a year to develop (sorry, looks like the “back of coaster meme is bunkum too). The author has also “assumed” that Cabinet were in the dark for all this time, but as Conroy has pointed out in the above link in the sortius tweet, how would the author know what Cabinet knew? He didn’t, he “assumed”.

Assumptions, appearances (from those assumptions), that “seems” to look like maybe something the author really wants to be true. That is truly “independent”, of facts at least.

Even though the limited, available evidence in his own report shows otherwise, he still claims it was “rushed”, and somehow “chaotic” (like his assumption the GFC response was “chaotic”). Imagine if he had all the evidence, ( actually, I’m pretty sure his conclusion would be the same)

STEPHEN CONROY: Mr Scales isn’t aware of all of the evidence and all of the deliberations. There was an alternative position discussed, but Bill Scales is not aware of that because it was discussed in cabinet committees.

analysis

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I would’ve thought that the purpose of an AUDIT is to determine the FACTS and separate those facts from the bullshit that is perpetrated under the guise of fanciful statements that are dressed in terminology like “appears” and “seems”….

It “appears” that the audit has “assumed” the same ideology that turnbull “seems” to have.

Miraculous they called it.

The balance of probability is the test applied to making recommendations for improvement.

If something is apparent (ie “it appears”) it is reasonable to draw a conclusion.

‘IT’S a long way from the glowing red sand hills and shimmering creeks of Queensland’s Channel Country to the glittering glass-and-steel skyscrapers of Hong Kong and Shanghai.

‘But outback cattleman David Brook, the owner of the Birdsville pub, is learning to bridge both worlds, as the meat company he established and now chairs, OBE Organic, spreads its wings into Asia. Riding the wave of soaring global demand for natural, chemical-free, grass-fed beef from Australia’s inland heart, the little-known company and the 30 outback cattle families who are its suppliers and shareholders have quickly become an Australian food success story.’

Neales / Oz

‘AUSTRALIA faces the largest power glut in the history of the national electricity market.

‘Electricity use has plunged so much that no new coal or gas base­load power generation will be needed over the next decade to comply with the nation’s famously conservative requirements for ensuring lights stay on.’

Hepworth / Oz

“Electricity use has plunged so much that no new coal or gas base­load power generation will be needed over the next decade”

That’s due to the ALP savaging manufacturing chiefly the Aluminium businesses (huge users of electricity) run out of the country due to stupid fucking wind and solar power plus the Carbon Tax

AO

I read the abstract to the paper. I even quoted the first sentence. It looks like the older reports show a positive link. So firstly Carl is wrong. There are reports showing a link.

It looks like newer reports now show a different result. The paper you linked to showed a slightly negative link.

Not sure why you are abusing me. I am just quoting the paper Jonathon Swan linked to

“Null association between pregnancy termination and breast cancer in a registry-based study of parous women.
Authors
Lash TL, et al. Show all
Journal

Int J Cancer. 2004 Jun 20;110(3):443-8.”

That’s due to the ALP savaging manufacturing

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Tell it to Holden!

There are reports showing a link.

I don’t claim to know anything about this topic, but the SMH story did mention something about ” debunked link between abortion and breast cancer. ”

Meanwhile, abetz is proof of the real reason behind not having a science minister.

Anyway, you keep defending 1950’s views and look even more of an idiot if that’s possible.

you had to tempt him didn’t you AO 😉

I wonder if changing opinion had anything to do with the results?

I wonder if preconceived ideas have some effect on the results?

If you are preconceived to the 1950’s, then I guess they might be.

If you are preconceived to scientific studies, I’ll go with the accumulation of both evidence and knowledge to make a determination.

Problem with that, TR, is that its the US industry – GM – we’d be supporting

Tell it to Elizabeth and Geelong

And all of the feeder companies that have already begun closing their doors as there is no future for them now.

Which is why the guvmint is abandoning defense manufacturing as well. They knew it couldn’t survive without the automotive industry behind, even though they used it back then as they killed automotive industry as a replacement industry.

The miners will just ship in from overseas

Sucked shit kiddies, stick to mowing lawns!

‘chuck shit into the air from digging to burning and that is better than solar or wind energy’

From a commercial perspective that is correct.

“Astounding observations … chuck shit into the air from digging to burning and that is better than solar or wind energy … thick as shit … ”

Thinking that every single country/economy has the same economic advantages and disadvantages as every other (your fairyland of “level playing field) is what is actually”having a head full of shit.

Plainly they don’t and every economy operates on the basis of what its particular economic advantages are.

Thinking otherwise is the usual Leftwing crap.

As an example do you think Germany would import gas if it already had adequate supplies ?Of course not. Australia has an advantage in cheap energy.

Germany’s advantage over us as an example is its access at lower transport costs to major markets. Not to mention it is now starting to return to fossil fuels and nuclear.

Trying to explain that time and again to a economic simpleton is very monotonous.

Thick as shit !

‘Cmon Egg, Elgordo it’s you fucking around… init…NOS is your shit string nom de plume..’

Neil has his own thing The Howard Years, which I find very comforting. The only thing we have in common is that we are both straight men.

By comparison I’m doing parody with my global cooling meme, which is still ahead of its time. Been trying it out at sceptic blogs but get no laughs, tough gigs.

Now you and I both know that that’s not true.

Do tell 😉

Those days of gay abandon in Paddington were very exciting.

You got link for that ❓ 😉

No but I have this one on dirty stuff.

I was kinda hoping it was one in the same 😦

Eric Abetz shouldn’t be in the parliament, let alone the ministry. He’s a dill.

Having unintelligent people spruik their discredited, redundant, narrow minded opinions is disgraceful. He’s a f**kwit who should be dismissed.

“Have you ever read any of my comments regarding alternative energies and Gen IV Nuclear plants … burns 96% of the plutonium compared to Gen II & III that burn only 10% …””

Only in your Cloud Cuckoo land would the Greens allow that.

“Yep, it won’t be on the agenda for the foreseeable future.”

Yep Egg,

Leftie Extremists are quite amusing with their perfect World view with their insane models of perfection.

Cuckoo………………….Cuckoo…………………!

‘Or was that Egg coming clean….’

Baseload is safe for a decade, so no need for nuclear on Abbott’s watch.

I must admit I do catch the odd STI every now and then

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/q?p=finance.yahoo.com&s=%5ESTI

TB

If you cant stand the volatility the share market is not a place to be.

Hopefully the Ukraine will turn into a full blown nuclear war so my Newcrest Gold shares will get back to $15 at least (LOL). But hey everyone buys a Dog at least once.

(Speaking of going rouge, Operation Free Market, and tit-for-tat fallout, has Julie Bishop considered upping the assistance package for farmers, to ensure continuity of employment for backpackers from Eastern Europe and Tasmania, in affected industries; and maybe some honourable minisubs could and should be ordered from our pacific partners by David Johnson, to patrol the safe Harbour of Sydney?)

That’s funny AO – Major Tom makes sense. The middle ages invented some great heroics and superstitions. Just what we’re lacking these days.

‘the media seems to spend most of its time trying to trap Coalition politicians.’

And rightly so, they should be made a laughing stock if they show stupid bias. Abetz is a dill and the leader pulled him into line.

“And rightly so, they should be made a laughing stock if they show stupid bias. Abetz is a dill and the leader pulled him into line”

OK but as long as they do it for both sides. Haven’t you noticed the difference between the way the ABC conducts an interview with a Coalition politician compared with an ALP politician?

The ABC goes for the jugular when interviewing a Coalition politician but generally gives an easy time for the ALP politician.

By the way what did Abetz actually say?

If he said there was a link between abortion and cancer published in the scientific literature he would be correct. Once again the first sentence from the Abstract that AO linked to.

“Studies suggesting a positive association between pregnancy termination and breast cancer risk have often been of retrospective case-control design, so subject to selection and recall biases”

So 1950’s studies show a link. But recent studies show a different result. The study finishes with this sentence

“suggesting a protective effect of terminated pregnancy among women with one live birth.”

So studies have been done and show a link. However results from the 1950’s show a different result to more recent studies suggesting that preconceived bias determines what result you get.

Same goes for AGW. Most of the scientists studying global warming actually believe in it and spend most of the time looking for results to back up their faith overlooking results which go against the faith.

Good now back on topic.

What the abortion/cancer stuff shows is that scientists are no different to anybody else. You can tell Ricky is an ALP voter because he put words into my mouth. I am not defending anything

What i find interesting is that what people believed in 1950 led to a certain result. Changing beliefs have now lead to a different result. But scientific results should be independent of peoples beliefs but that obviously is not true.

“(And also the (AFL) footy, which you Sydneysiders don’t usually appreciate.)”

Yes we do.

When the Swans are winning .

I agree ToSy

The ALP were reckless and could not sell any policies

The LNP are not reckless and cannot sell any policies

The ASIO guy gave a press conference today on the metadata issue. He should have been rolled out on Day 1 as he explained it better than any minister .

“They are independent results which is why they have such a rigorous process. They don’t just ‘believe’ something on faith like religious nut jobs or partisan political barrackers.”

Unfortunately that is not true. What you believe affects the results. If you believe the planet is heating up and you find some area of the world cooling, a believing scientist will not publish that result because it cannot be true or must be an anomaly.

The paper i am quoting was in a link you provided at 9.18AM.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15095312/

It is from 2004. First sentence clearly states a positive link in the older studies but in the newer study they find a negative link.

And you said this

“As any woman who has had breast cancer knows, pregnancy and elevated hormones feed breast cancer, which is why women with BC are advised to have an abortion if pregnant (as well as the need to commence cytotoxic meds).”

So there is a link between BC and pregnancy.

I agree with you Ricky

DRY RETCHING NOW

I don’t exactly know why Neil wants to die in a ditch over it

But it is rather amusing

Whoever could have imagined that abortion would become the “political plaything of men”

It’s beyond parody.

“I don’t exactly know why Neil wants to die in a ditch over it”

Maybe i should shut up instead of digging a hole for myself but i am not defending anybody.

What i found interesting is how carefully conducted scientific research in the 1950’s gave one result. Carefully conducted research 50 years latter gave an opposite result.

That should not happen right??

The point i am trying to make is that scientists are as biased as anyone and their beliefs effect their results and conclusions.

I am mainly leading to global warming science. I am sure many people go into it trying to prove global warming true. They find an area that is warming and publish the results. However next door the area may be cooling but they don’t publish that result because it goes against their beliefs and may effect future grant funding.

It is possible to selectively pick certain results, leave out others. I think Science can only disprove something but it cannot prove something.

Not really egg.

Most Socialists/ALP/Communists think Science is the absolute truth.

Scientists are humans. Their human bias effects their results.

In fifty years time i wonder what Scientists would find about the link between BC and abortion?

I notice you said pseudo science should not be funded. What is your opinion of AGW?

Is AGW pseudo science?

No comment.

“No dipshit.”

A bit rude there AO. I said there was a link between pregnancy and BC based on what you said. I did not mention abortion. You said this

“As any woman who has had breast cancer knows, pregnancy and elevated hormones feed breast cancer, which is why women with BC are advised to have an abortion if pregnant (as well as the need to commence cytotoxic meds).”

So there is a link between BC and pregnancy as YOU stated.

You made the comment not me. YOU said pregnancy and elevated hormones feeds BC- not me.

Did i misinterpret your comments?

A bit rude there AO

AO you can’t put brains in a statute.. 🙄

Obviously if this dick wad can’t figure out that we have made quantum leaps in science in the last 50 years in just about every discipline, he is quite simply a rusted on fucktard who considers everyone in the world that disagrees with his feeble chicken little minds blinkerd world view.. is corrupt…

Correct me if I am mistaken AO but did they not find a genetic link to BC which constitutes part of the testing regime to define predisposition?

‘If you believe the world is cooling, guess what? That is what you will discover.’

The science is not settled on that yet.

“Well Mr Abusive turns up”

Excuse me Neil but I think I’ve earned that monnicker thank you,

LOL

Although Ricky does have some talent nothing like moi .

‘The general idea of what is scientific is a bit lost on you.. Hint.. it has nothing to do with belief, that bit comes latter’

Actually its a mixed bag.

‘The history of the hypothesis of climatic determinism illustrates the fundamental difference between Science and Social Science. A scientific hypothesis is validated by predictive success. Social Science hypotheses invalidate themselves, because humans react to the predictions and alter the outcome. The latter failure is due to something that cannot be quantified – free will.’

Tim Ball

Egg at 9.06am

That is what i was trying to say. People believe that Scientists are fearless seekers after truth. They are fallible humans like everybody else. Worse their job depends upon finding important stuff otherwise they may not get the next grant and become unemployed.

By the way i was not sticking up for Abetz. I am saying that what people believed in the 1950’s affected their findings just like changing beliefs affected more recent findings.

It is almost certain that a climate scientist who finds some area of the world cooling will not publish that result. It will go into the trash can. He will only publish results which show areas of the world warming and by the way send more money otherwise the world will fry.

I think Science can only disprove something it cannot prove things however. Anyway that is my understanding

By the way Egg if some prominent Climate Scientists like Hanson found some area of the world cooling do you think he would publish that result?

Scientists do pick and chose which results they will publish reflecting their own personal bias.

‘…do you think he would publish that result?’

I really can’t say.

Birmingham replaces Carlton

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/carlton_light/

Ibogaine is a wonderful drug, but collective wisdom says its not.

‘… if 97% of scientists qualified in that field told me that the end was due on the 25th … I’d start making some plans –’

That would be foolish in the extreme, putting your faith in the high priests of science. You cannot remain agnostic forever, time won’t wait.

“Of course he would, any climate scientist would love to challenge the consensus. They would become famous and wealthy overnight.”

Not really. All dissenting scientists so far have been ostracised and demonised .

‘there’s not many of them – 3%’

Your ignorance and arrogance is stifling.

‘Self inflicted harm doesn’t exactly warrant urgent research like other killer diseases.’

There are subsidised drugs on the market for those who are eating themselves to death.

‘Especially when she pretends to be a man.’

I am a male homo sapien, but my mother called me a black sheep. Reb its a works computer, the person you see under the bonnet is not me.

‘I need some convincing.’

Fuck you.

IPA finds a real pug.

‘THE fight to champion free speech will be taken up by Family First senator Bob Day, ensuring changes to race-hate laws stay firmly on the political agenda.

‘Senator Day has revealed he will introduce a private senator’s bill as soon as possible to remove what he describes as “chilling” restrictions on free speech after Tony Abbott this week abandoned plans to rework section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.’

Stefanie Balogh / Oz

I like Popper.

‘other evidence, yet to be discovered, may exist that is inconsistent with the theory.’

This is true in every field of human endeavour.

‘science is corrupt’

Only AGW science.

The Hadron Collider is an expensive theory, but worth the effort. Also landing a small vehicle on a comet, to understand where earth got its oceans from, is of immense interest.

Other theories have been falsified, but the knowledge gained is always useful in the search for the null hypothesis.

For the last time, I am a man. I admit at times I may sound like a beautiful young woman, but that is purely coincidence.

Has Science lost the Plot…..me at the Science poetry slam

“You probably should start with Popper:”

So Popper agrees with me. Science can falsify something but cannot prove anything. And i was called an imbecile for saying that.

“science is corrupt’

Only AGW science”

Only AGW science? Why so? Science is not as corrupt as other professions for one reason only. Sometime in the future someone may come along and try and reproduce your results so people are generally more careful when they commit fraud.

But there is nothing stopping someone publishing results showing some area of the world is warming but not publishing results for the area next door which happens to be cooling. This is where human bias comes in. Scientists can select the correct results they like but ignore the correct results they do not like and that is impossible to say that is fraudulent.

Same goes with the abortion/cancer topic. If you believe abortion is wrong chances are you will find evidence backing your beliefs. If you believe abortion is OK chances are you will never find any data showing a link between BC and abortion. There is a smorgasbord of data to publish and a scientist can selectively pick correct results which supports his beliefs.

➢ I WAS

• RIGHT!!

I could have been right about something at some stage.

Pyne at his best…. what a fucking knob

The new damage control meme is being so arrogantly socially disconnected that when you publically eat your own shit you pretend its a chokito. The new damage control meme is being so socially disconnected and arrogant that when you eat your own shit you pretend its a chokito.

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/08/10/pyne-says-govt-deserves-thanks-for-listening.html

“Yes, the cantakerousness has dissipated somewhat,………………..””

What a load of fucking bullshit………………………you are all a bunch of cnuts

Yeah I was he one who brought up AGW and derailed the thread. Egg was just responding to me.

We got onto the scientific method because of the alleged cancer/abortion link.

The other problem with modern science is that it funds quantity of papers published not quality. A researcher who publishes 10 so-so papers which do not discover much will get another grant to fund research over another researcher who publishes one quality paper. So there is an enormous rush to publish average over quality research.

“there is a room devoted to it, where people can talk to their heart’s content.”

I used to go to that room very infrequently but i never visit any more since Reb has turned off the recent comments for that thread so you never know if anybody has made a comment. It makes it impossible to carry on a conversation. Actually i am not that interested anyway but i think the recent comments should be turned on.

And you obviously have not read any of the comments on the philosophy of science. Science cannot proves things it can only disprove things. I can tell AGW science is full of know it all leftists trying to shove their religious beliefs disguised as science down my throat.

Tsk………tsk……………tsk……………..tssk

The language around here today is just sooooooooooooooooooo utterly disgraceful…………..

I wonder who this Nun votes for?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/nun-protests-at-hockeys-sydney-office/story-fn3dxiwe-1227021728894

“A NUN is among praying protesters at federal Treasurer Joe Hockey’s electorate office in Sydney………………They say they won’t leave until they get a timetabled commitment that all children will be released from detention…..”I feel I can’t leave without a commitment from the government to release all children from detention and to resettle them in a safe and nurturing environment,” she said on Love Makes A Way’s Facebook page.”

While there may have been some protests under Rudd/Gillard they seem to have increased under Abbott.

It was Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them in 2007 who locked all these people up. And lock them up again they will if the ALP gets back into power. ALP/Greens/Communists are natural totalitarians and will always lock people up if they have the power.