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July 25, 2014

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Sneering leftie elitists presents Joe Hockey the Smiling Buffoon, or How Australia Learned to Love Me and Make Me the Prime Minister.

That fat cigar-smoking sanctimonious bastard Joe Hockey, otherwise known as the Federal Treasurer, has unleashed a new account of his rise to the Prime Ministership in a much anticipated sequel to the success of his first ever federal budget.

The book, a precipitous concoction of mixed accounts from key players in the Liebral party, loosely packs together the somewhat disjointed and frequently opposing views of the protagonist’s rise from sweaty North Shore bumbling buffoon to smug Canberarrean cunt.

Yesterday at the launch of the book, the Treasurer said he’d leave ambitions of becoming PM to “destiny or whatever it may be”.

Yeah whatever…

 

 

 

 

 

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639 Comments
  1. July 25, 2014 3:53 pm

    Reblogged this on Shit's Gotta Stop and commented:
    Reblogged from The Daily Trash, with thanks.

  2. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 25, 2014 4:04 pm

    Well the hatred never ceases.

    Do ALP supporters do anything but hate?

    Hockey is trying to clean up the mess of debt and deficit the ALP and its supporters created.

    Abbott is bring fairness into our asylum seeker program. Instead of economic immigrants buying their way into Australia we are now starting to take refugees from UNHCR camps once again.

    It is true- ALP supporters are nothing but scum.

  3. July 25, 2014 4:07 pm

    Deluded much, Neil of Sydney? You’ve swallowed it, when you should have spat it out.

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2014 4:17 pm

    Canberarrean … bugger me, sreb, how do pronounce that?

    BTW, WTF is Joe Hockey, anyway?

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 25, 2014 4:17 pm

    That book review saves me the trouble of reading it.

    (just like I no longer have to go and see the films you review)

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2014 4:18 pm

    It is true- Liberal supporters are nothing but simpleton Fuckwits©

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2014 4:19 pm

    Oh, sorry, was that the review? Bit longer than usual, ToM?

  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 25, 2014 4:21 pm

    Why is Hockey a bastard??

    He is trying to clean up the mess Reb, TB, Toilet caused and anybody else who voted for Labor in 2007.

    Actually the Coalition is the only hope for refugees in asylum camps. Under Labor we took anybody with $10,000.

    Apparently since the boats have stopped we are now beginning to take refugees from asylum camps once again, like we did under Howard.

  9. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2014 4:30 pm

    Why is Hockey a bastard??

    Now that is a very good question, Kneel, do you know why?

  10. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 25, 2014 4:40 pm

    Hockey was handed a budget mess by people who think money grows on trees and who think they are kind and compassionate by borrowing money and handing it out willy nilly.

    The mess was created by people who think we are sovereign in our own currency and can print money to pay off debt.

    That is by total fools who do not care about people or our country but only care about stuffing their immoral beliefs down our throats.

  11. Meta permalink
    July 25, 2014 5:24 pm

    (That is by total fools who do not care about people or our country but only care about stuffing their immoral beliefs down our throats.

    That might be true; but Destiny can be a finicky dish even for master book-cookers. Say, take one over-ripe Pamphlet, one firm genealogical chart of the House of Orange’s transformations of Counts into Princes and Princes into Kings, and a variable-interest credit card account, add a pinch of Dead Sea salt, a scruple of rosemary essence, and a rounded heaping of campanological a’peal, screw it all up into a representative globule of the beginning of the end of the age of entitlement, and plate it on a hopeful white jus. Serve with a small Caesar salad, a gallon of VB, and a Jagertjes Everzwijn corona.)

  12. egg permalink
    July 25, 2014 6:26 pm

    I’m putting this up again to illustrate how we could have saved millions of Jews and perhaps altered the course of history.

    http://guides.naa.gov.au/safe-haven/chapter2/kimberley-scheme.aspx

    Now if Abbott reaches out to the Palestinian people to settle east of the Kimberly, it would get universal endorsement.

    It tastes like bitter sweet irony.

  13. July 25, 2014 6:46 pm

    Love it Reb, ‘specially the cover – says it all! Similarly to TB I’d also like to know how to pronounce Canberarrean.

    @Neil of Sydney Gee Neil, you never learn do you? Deficit is not ‘debt’ but simply a record of funds in the hands of the private sector. Nor are deficits transferable from one government to another or from one generation to another.

    Governments which issue their own currency (fiat currency) such as Australia, the US, UK, China, Japan, etc… can never go broke nor do they need to ‘borrow’ from themselves.
    They simply create more money ex nihlo.

    You’ve been told this many times by myself, John Armour, Peter Martin, and a host of others yet it doesn’t seem to have sunk in.

    Best you stop reading Murdoch, the Fin Review, The Spectator or the Economist… they’re rotting your brain! and may in the long run, cause blindness or hair to grow on the palm of your hand.

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    July 25, 2014 6:53 pm

    Now if Abbott reaches out to the Palestinian people to settle east of the Kimberly, it would get universal endorsement.

    And you’d scramble (yes!) to be sent to the Falklands, egg? Why should the Palestinians be made to pay for 18th Century gentile guilt over the way the Jews were treated for centuries in Europe!

    ITS THE 21st CENTURY!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    they’re rotting your brain! and may in the long run, cause blindness or hair to grow on the palm of your hand.

    Sound advice, ee, as usual … but alas, too late by decades, methinks …

  15. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 25, 2014 6:54 pm

    “They simply create more money ex nihlo.”

    ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    And people wonder why i am anti-Labor.

  16. egg permalink
    July 25, 2014 7:20 pm

    ‘ITS THE 21st CENTURY!’

    Exactly my point, we need a solution not continued recrimination and murder on both sides. Not that Abbott would ever consider such a solution.

  17. July 25, 2014 7:43 pm

    ” I’d also like to know how to pronounce Canberarrean.”

    I think I meant Canberean, but then I had been drinking at the time…

  18. July 25, 2014 8:21 pm

    “Deluded much, Neil of Sydney?”

    Yes. Much.

    “He is trying to clean up the mess Reb, TB, Toilet caused and anybody else who voted for Labor in 2007.”

    There you go again, begging me to be particularly impolit to you at the next opportunity. And those opportunities arrive frequently, given your single minded obsessions & partisan arsehattery.
    I’m beginning to think you enjoy having your nose rubbed in your ignorance.

  19. July 25, 2014 8:21 pm

    * impolite

  20. July 25, 2014 8:32 pm

    For the record, AbbottCorp has wildly over-egged the pudding with regard to MH17.

    It’s not hard to conceive why.

  21. July 25, 2014 8:35 pm

    After all these years the age old question, “Is Joe Hockey Just A Fat Cunt?”, can finally be definitively answered in the affirmative.

    Someone should tell Neil that even Bolt has been penning odes to the political autism of some of the ‘unhelpful’ claims Joe is making in his book.

  22. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 25, 2014 8:46 pm

    Deluded?? Me? What about this comment?

    “Governments which issue their own currency (fiat currency) such as Australia, the US, UK, China, Japan, etc… can never go broke

    Govts can never go broke? What if people decide not to lend the govt any money? I guess lefties would say well the govt will just print some money.

    I think lefties are insane. Then we have this comment.

    They simply create more money ex nihlo.

    If govts can create money from nothing then why go to work. Lets just get the govt to make money from nothing to pay all our bills.

  23. July 25, 2014 9:29 pm

    great photoshop reb, 😆

    `not your average smug cnut`
    (tho a credlin anointed snug cnut) 🙂

  24. July 25, 2014 10:53 pm

    Hey Squeal Hockey is a fat, festering, mortadella stuffed, cigar smoking, donation grafting, criminal cunt who couldn’t lie straight in bed..why do people hate this cunt? Simple for the same reason we hate you he’s a lying fucktard that you wouldn’t trust to buy a loaf of bread little lone run the economy.

    Stop the pretense that you understand economics and get Wayne swans dick out of your ass and take the Kouks dick out of your mouth…

    Its a well known fact that anyone one who likes sticks up for or defends Hokey is a piece of rancid dick cheese

    Its not just lefties that hate joe we all do..it saves time 🙄

  25. July 26, 2014 10:04 am

    ”””’wildly over-egged the pudding with regard to MH17.”””

    yeah, the language from day-one indicated that teh`russians` were going to be blamed(who always has been, and always will be by teh-usa and uk, and they will never do anything good, and will always be evil, and the banana colony will follow suit) even tho it is most likely a `collateral` event,

    from TV interviews with various talking-heads, Aust limits $600K(per-head) to airline crash deaths, which explains everybody jumping on the `terrorism` bandwagon, which has $no-limit(per-head), so l don`t expect any investigation to come to any other result than `terrorism`, and allow recklessly negligent airline off hook #teabags

  26. July 26, 2014 10:10 am

    BTW, also lets recklessly negligent Ukraine air-safety/control off-hook too

  27. July 26, 2014 12:11 pm

    @Neil of Sydney “What if people decide not to lend the government any more money”

    I’m surprised that you’re able to use a keyboard Neil.

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2014 2:13 pm

    How much longer will the teabag puppets of Murdoch conspiracy “wrongly blame” those poor people who only shot down a civilian aircraft, and ignoring the teabags that own Malaysian Airlines?

    It is just unreasonable to “wrongly blame” the people who fire missiles at aircraft carrying 300 innocent people.

    ###Its all the fault of teabagz###

  29. July 26, 2014 2:38 pm

    Edward..don’t feed the trolls.. and his name is Squeal 🙂

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2014 3:46 pm

    ”VLADMIR Putin’s daughter Maria has reportedly fled her Dutch penthouse apartment as anger grows in that country over the MH17 disaster.”

    Yes, it’s difficult to believe that people in The Netherlands could be bothered by Putin, and that his daughter could be concerned about her welfare.

    What’s Putin done wrong?

    The Dutch are clearly also “wrongly blaming” people who shoot at aircraft, they should be blaming and threatening Malaysian Airlines and those types people and the teabags who own that airline.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/maria-putin-living-in-holland-causes-outrage-after-mh17-disaster/story-fndir2ev-1227000267513

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2014 5:35 pm

    Hey, Kneel!

    The JSF was due to make its global debut at the Farnborough International Airshow in the UK this month but the fleet was grounded following an engine fire.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/raaf-welcomes-first-two-complete-f35-stealth-fighters-it-has-purchased-from-lockheed-martin/story-fncynjr2-1227001828830

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2014 5:43 pm

    I’m surprised that you’re able to use a keyboard Neil.

    His Mum types it for him, ee …

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2014 5:54 pm

    Great Article by one of the great politicians in Australia

    Must agree … RP …

    Pity TW doesn’t comment here … although he is saying what many here have been saying for some months now!

  34. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2014 6:01 pm

    “Hey, Kneel!”

    Well i see i am well known.

    Just wonder what you think of this comment

    “Governments which issue their own currency (fiat currency) such as Australia, the US, UK, China, Japan, etc… can never go broke nor do they need to ‘borrow’ from themselves.
    They simply create more money ex nihlo.

    By the way Tony Windsor is a traitor to Australia, a traitor to his electorate and a traitor to anybody who has met him.

    I read his comments and had trouble not exploding. The man is a total liar, like anybody who links to him or has any respect for a total slimeball.

    TONY WINDSOR-A TOTAL SELL OUT AND A MAN WHO WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY

  35. egg permalink
    July 26, 2014 6:04 pm

    ‘It’s not hard to conceive why.’

    For christ’s sake it fell in his lap, get over it.

  36. July 26, 2014 6:25 pm

    You are the one who has continually propagated the ‘International Statesman’ wankery since it ‘fell in his lap’ (which it absolutely did, at least you acknowledge that).
    Mayhaps you need to get over it, rather than being an enthused disseminator of Abbottlicking tripe.

    Further to that, you telling me to do anything is liable to have the opposite effect that you are aiming for.

  37. Too Big For His Boots permalink
    July 26, 2014 6:38 pm

    “For the record, AbbottCorp has wildly over-egged the pudding with regard to MH17.”

    I think toiletcantankerousnightsoil has a point.

    Abbott has accused Russia of being involved, if only as supplier of the missile launcher. He has, in concert with the Netherlands, orchestrated a UN Security Council Resolution to secure the crash site and have the bodies removed. He has spoken to Putin more than once demanding Russia cooperate with the resolution. He has called for a full investigation and for the perpetrators to be brought to justice.

    37 Australians died on MH17. Clearly Abbott over-reacted.

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2014 6:38 pm

    Tony WINDSOR- THE SELLOUT

    Tony WINDSOR- THE LIAR

    Tony WINDSOR- SLIMEBALL

    How the hell do people like him get to be in politics.

    I guess because the people who vote for him are as corrupt as he is.

  39. egg permalink
    July 26, 2014 6:41 pm

    So you expected Abbott to quiver and quake, instead he manned up and the electorate will give him a bounce in the polls.

    I know its shit, but that’s life, it happens. Take off your political blinkers and recognise that MH17 was not orchestrated by Cred and the Abboteers,

  40. July 26, 2014 6:44 pm

    Andrew Bolt ToSY is absolutely correct, Abbott hasn’t made political hay out of a tragedy at all. He didn’t do it earlier in the year when MHxx disappeared either, he quite rightly gives 5 minute updates & makes unsubstantiated claims before the facts are in. There should definitely be more of it.

  41. July 26, 2014 6:47 pm

    ” Take off your political blinkers and recognise that MH17 was not orchestrated by Cred and the Abboteers,”

    Fuck, you are a dense cunt at times.

    Where have I ever said that they orchestrated it? All I’ve (quite correctly) claimed is that they’re making great (sickly) political mileage out of it. I’ve even acknowledged that any other PM would have done the same; that’s what cynical political animals do.

    You are the one with the political blinkers. Fuckhead.

    Only tragic adherents are impressed by such things.

  42. All Politics Is Loco permalink
    July 26, 2014 6:48 pm

    Meek subservience to our Russian betters would have been more appropriate.

  43. July 26, 2014 6:49 pm

    Manned up…GUFFAW! So brave at the bottom of the world. He did his fucking job.

    As for a bounce in the polls, well, yet to be determined…& even if there is, it is likely to be minor & temporary…unless he has a tragedy every fortnight to hover over.

  44. July 26, 2014 6:50 pm

    Seems ToSY is quick to rush in when it’s the Russians but a bit more prone to shrewd observation when it’s Israel V Palestine. How quaint.

  45. egg permalink
    July 26, 2014 6:52 pm

    ‘He didn’t do it earlier in the year when MHxx disappeared…’

    I disagree, Cred and the Abboteers milked that MH disappearance for all it was worth, impressed the Chinese greatly. Good neighbours do things like that, but he was a bit embarrassing at times.

  46. Russki Bucket permalink
    July 26, 2014 6:53 pm

    “How quaint.”

    Not sure what you mean, can you be more specific?

  47. egg permalink
    July 26, 2014 6:56 pm

    ‘it is likely to be minor & temporary…’

    Its likely to be considerable and increase in the run up to Xmas, the G20 and infrastructure building should distract the masses for awhile.

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2014 7:17 pm

    “Hey, Kneel!”

    Well i see i am well known.

    I forgot you were a selective browser … I should have said …

    HEY! KNEEL, F35, JSF LATEST

    and then this … By the way Tony Windsor is a traitor to Australia, a traitor to his electorate and a traitor to anybody who has met him.

    See ya Mum and take yer meds …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    37 Australians died on MH17. Clearly Abbott over-reacted.

    How many?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Only tragic adherents are impressed by such things.

    Agree, Toillette, problem is that there is so many of them …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Not sure what you mean, can you be more specific?

    You meran like your cryptic comments?

    LOL! 🙄

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Its likely to be considerable and increase

    Not one of your “predictions” ever bears fruit … I suppose its a scatterbraingun approach – eventually you’ll score by sheer chance …

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    July 26, 2014 7:18 pm

    “meran” is Scottish for “mean” … ask, Jummy!

  50. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2014 7:29 pm

    Tony Windsor is a traitor to Australia a traitor to his electorate and a traitor full stop.

    What more can i say?

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 26, 2014 7:33 pm

    TONY WINDSOR-A TOTAL SELL OUT AND A MAN WHO WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY

    haha, did the lifting of the veil on the coalition lies of best economic managers really get to you neil?

    Windsor told a few truths about the ‘legacy’ of howard & costello and their wasteful spending, didn’t he? Never mind the nastiness of the coalition in general and the way they play the ‘kick the minorities’ game plus their governing only for the interests of billionaires and coalition donors – it is obvious that they are the ones who will do anything, including selling their arses for money.

    ‘the Roads Scholar’

    building roads to nowhere for nobody.

    It really did your head in, didn’t it?

  52. July 26, 2014 7:33 pm

    Try saying something that isn’t pure monocular shit?

  53. July 26, 2014 7:34 pm

    For Neil^

  54. July 26, 2014 7:41 pm

    Fuck Me Squeal call the most honest and trustworthy guy in Political life untrustworthy when he has never broken a promise, kept his word and to his principal..and defends the biggest immoral lying con artist in Australian political history in Abbott…doesn’t say much for his choice of character..speaks volumes of why he is such a lying little imbecilic troll….

    These imbeciles think this attach to tragedy stuff is gonna make Abbotts Bacon… hilarious what a point or two above people Australia would most like to see as roadkill? A gnats dick ahead of Ivan Milat?

    Actually Egg saying this just solidifies that it most certainly incorrect..his judgment is in hiatus.

  55. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 26, 2014 7:52 pm

    No

    Tony Windsor is a liar and a traitor to Australia, his electorate and anybody who voted for him.

    A man who sold out anybody for money.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 26, 2014 7:53 pm

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-24/green-abbott-should-speak-from-the-heart-more-often/5618764

    …Polling this week by Essential research bears that out, showing a modest boost to the Prime Minister’s stocks in the immediate wake of MH17…

    …Where, you might wonder, was the Tony Abbott of this past week when his Government made responses to the death in our custody of asylum seeker Reza Berati?

    Did he demand sternly the cooperation of “all individuals who might be in a position to shed light on this terrible event”?

    Was that violent murder, one distinguished from the deaths of MH17 by our immediate accountability, also “a grim day for our country”?…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/25/bulldog-jaw-solemn-warnings-india-calls-shots-morrison

    …Not this time. Through the welter of obfuscation it emerged that India is calling the shots here. The Tamils are to be brought ashore “out of respect” said Morrison “for the way the Indian government wished to conduct the process”.

    So it’s been left to India to tell us to behave ourselves – not the high court or the opposition or those Australians appalled by us imprisoning asylum seekers for weeks on the high seas. But India…

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 26, 2014 8:36 pm

    This kind of chest beating is just plain ridiculous, how will he go about explaining the deaths of the AFP and other personnel that he is talking up at the moment, or is this just another brain fart that plays well with the home crowd. Who does he think he is? Are armed forces/AFP seen as a personal play thing by conservatives? how will he explain the deaths of australians who he’ll send into a warzone on a personal folly, all for increasing his own popularity? fair enough, send in experts at plane crashes and body retrieval, but the AFP can’t bring the dead back to life, they could lose their own though.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/australia-risks-inflaming-ukraine-conflict-by-sending-armed-police-to-mh17-site-analysts-20140726-zx3mo.html

    …”They must be nuts,” Joerg Forbrig, a senior program officer for central and eastern Europe at the Berlin bureau of the German Marshall Fund of the US think tank, said. “It’s a very dangerous proposal and will be seen as a provocation by the separatists and the Russians.”…

    …A spokesman for the UK Foreign Office said Britain would “offer logistical support and is keeping in close contact with the Australians and Dutch over how it can assist, though it won’t be putting be sending police or technicians to Ukraine”.
    “We believe a UK. armed presence in eastern Ukraine would not be appropriate,” the Foreign Office said in a statement. “The UK stands ready to provide constructive support to the mission.”…

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2014 9:02 pm

    Nothing changes without pressure/momentum. Mobilising some police to help inspect the crash site is a mild form of this. I don’t object to it, it’s hardly threatening anyone.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 26, 2014 9:37 pm

    Pressure/momentum?
    There’s no-one alive tomM. Are we about bringing them home or are they performing activities of war?

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 26, 2014 9:47 pm

    AO – Russians are promoting the notion that Ukraine may have fired the missile. I think it’s reasonable to try to figure out whether there is any evidence for this, or whether the separatists fired a missile at a civilian aircraft.

    Without an investigation (and some evidence) there will only be self interested assertions by either side.

    I don’t have a problem with using these gentle levers to apply pressure for an thorough investigation.

  61. July 26, 2014 10:30 pm

    Tony Windsor is a man who has never lied in Parliment…Unlike this fucking asswhipe

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australian-economy-is-not-in-trouble-joe-hockey-tells-nz-20140726-zx6ie.html

  62. July 26, 2014 11:15 pm

    ””””””””fired the missile. I think it’s reasonable to try to figure out whether there is any evidence for this,””””””””

    #yabba-dabba-doo #tinfoil.cubicle.wisdom

    by your own reckoning, you reckon its `reasonable` to ignore that war-birds were shot-down before #MH17,

    and by your own reckoning, you reckon its `reasonable` to ignore that war-birds were shot-down AFTER #MH17, #teabags

    .

    and ya`still have`nt produced any advertising, from `any` airline,
    (along the lines of),

    BATTLEFIELD SHORT-CUT DISCOUNT FLIGHTS,

    which could absolve the airline from its reckless negligence, as consumer/passengers would have been `fully` informed of the risks the consumer/passengers were `choosing` to take #teabags

    .

  63. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2014 10:33 am

    ‘by your own reckoning…’

    My reckoning?

    By my ‘reckoning’ teabagz thinks it is wrong to blame the people who fire missiles at an aircraft for making it crash and killing the passagers.

    A f**kwit and a bulls**t artist, one of a kind here.

  64. Meta permalink
    July 27, 2014 10:33 am

    (I must admit, I’m still not entirely sure about risky managementy stuff; presumably it is safer and easier to prohibit combatants in active warzones from shooting down civilian aeroplanes by accident, mistake, or design than it is to better regulate civilian planes traversing over/through such (un)safe airspaces or to compel better end-user disclosures for you-too-can-be-not-even-an-informed-purchasers; and I also agree that it’s very reasonable and momentum-creating for a Canberranean Sky-Commander-in-Chief, who incidentally hasn’t personally burnt through any public moneys on VIP flights recently unlike ruddy-you-know-who, explicitly to pronounce a considered public policy of profound and deliberate ignorance about the politics of a-nation when sending b-troupes into the field, other than to strongly endorse attempts by frequent-flyer-c-and-retinue to sign-off on a high-level memo with nation-a caretaker officials of utmost character and most helpful demeanour, especially when a-nation has just dissolved its parliament because its central government can’t ram through a compulsory-military-conscription-or-jail law for all (regional) citizens and has prominently announced a surrender-or-die message, again, for any and all uncooperative citizens in relation to the very region specified for a b-troupe visitation as its strong contribution towards pressurizing for an all-inclusive and thoroughgoing objective investigation; so, overall and on balance, I’m still reasonably open to more and better information, if there is any, about such matters, I guess.)

  65. July 27, 2014 10:46 am

    ”””””””””’political disillusion: that we know they habitually lie. That we know they just make stuff up to suit their immediate purpose. That we know we can’t trust them.

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-24/green-abbott-should-speak-from-the-heart-more-often/5618764
    ””””””””””””’via-armchair

    .

    my bet is folks will be mostly forgetting the international mh17 grandstanding of mr-rabbit and joolee, and be remember their `budgets` come election time

  66. July 27, 2014 11:00 am

    ””””””””””””””””””””””””risky managementy stuff; presumably it is safer and easier to prohibit combatants in active warzones from shooting down civilian aeroplanes by accident, mistake, or design than it is to better regulate civilian planes traversing over/through such (un)safe airspaces or to compel better end-user disclosures for you-too-can-be-not-even-an-informed-purchasers””””””””””””””””’

    .

    (For certain; the Personal Fluffer for our organization truly believes that battlefields come with pre-installed air-bags, side-curtains, bumper-bars and traffic lights.)

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2014 11:06 am

    What an utter bulls**t artist you are. I’ve already said that Malaysian Airlines should take their share of responsibility for continuing that flight path, I also pointed out that Qantas sensibly stopped flying that route months ago.

    It is simply your ridiculous repetition and trolling that “it is wrong to blame” the people that fired the missile.

    Comments like Meta’s are correct, but don’t bother to suggest that that’s what you’ve repeatedly trolled.

  68. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 27, 2014 11:26 am

    It’s always easy to blame others isn’t it?

    Wouldn’t it have been nice to see the same strength of leadership, same immediate blame and investigative powers used in the shooting of reza barati?

    After Flight 17 Crash, Agony, Debris and Heartbreak in Ukraine Villages
    http://online.wsj.com/articles/after-flight-17-crash-agony-debris-and-heartbreak-in-ukraine-villages-1406335532

  69. July 27, 2014 11:39 am

    ””””””””””””””””’The posturing to vested interests and the technologies of previous centuries is a Pied Piper march off a cliff, an insult to leadership and the community. The journey from London to Canberra has been too hard and Joe is “entitled” to feel disappointed by what he’s achieved.

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2014/07/26/why-hockeys-budget-rhetoric-doesnt-stick/1406296800#.U9L-AfmSx8G
    ””””””””””””””””’

    .

    Fully agree ricky, fantastic rant by windsor 🙂

  70. July 27, 2014 11:48 am

    ”””I also pointed out that Qantas sensibly stopped flying””’

    yeah, immediately after l pointed it out to you,

    to the rest of your waffle, boo-hoo-hoo, you pick these stupid arguments, then go to tears after l`ve thrashed`ya, now that meta has come along and basically said the same as what l`ve always said, from day one, you start running and back-peddling

    .

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2014 12:30 pm

    No, you’re clearly a f**kwit, and now a liar. I made my comments about flying over a war zone without reference to your original stupid comment.

    Get over it, you’re clearly just a troll and a really dumb one at that – the only one at Guttertrash.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2014 1:02 pm

    …and while I’m at it…

    There are about a dozen contributors here who have exchanged opinions and humour for about 8 years. The exchanges are tolerant and good natured, even given the deep philosophical differences that exist.

    The “culture” of this blog a credit to them and particularly to reb.

    On the other hand teabagz is wilful in his disruptive intent, rarely putting forward a lucid point, but otherwise smarming to a few here.

    Teabagz is a disruptive, semiliterate dill, in what is otherwise a group with plenty of generosity and tolerance of all perspectives.

  73. July 27, 2014 1:15 pm

    boo`hoo`hoo, l picked another fight with `big-bad-bagz` and got thrashed again, so l`m going to cry to reb and infer `banning` by claiming `disruptive` and claiming `troll`, even tho l picked the fight, and even tho l started with the ad-homs, boo`hoo`hoo

  74. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2014 1:19 pm

    …infer `banning`

    More bullsh*t. I’ve never lobbied for the banning of anyone, I’ve responded to your stupid, poorly written trolling, because trashing you entertains me from time to time.

    It’s also my civic duty to this blog to point out that you are a complete f**kwit.

  75. July 27, 2014 1:29 pm

    ””””””’Attacks on aircraft in the area have been rife. In the past week alone two Ukrainian military aircraft were shot down and a third was damaged by a missile.

    Immediately after the crash yesterday(#mh17)

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/mh17-disaster-flights-over-war-zones-because-its-cheaper-20140718-zua0y.html#ixzz37lqTwYJJ
    ””””””””””

    .

    perhaps, if ya`weren`t hung-up on seeking out two-word `gotcha`s and paid attention, you would have realized the `smh` above relates to the `tweet` ya`got ya`self all hung-up on, (just like ya`did about the jobs l`ve done)

    (for the record, l dropped the 1st mh17 comment)
    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/16/bill-shorten-ramps-up-the-hysteria-to-eleventy/#comment-66099

  76. July 27, 2014 1:40 pm

    ”””because trashing you entertains me”””

    and a fine job you`re doing too #teabags

  77. July 27, 2014 2:36 pm

    ”””””””’Australian Minister for Finance Matthias Cormann speaks at the unveiling of the first F-35 fighter jet built for the Royal Australian Air Force in Fort Worth. Picture: Paul Moseley

    http://www.news.com.au/national/raaf-welcomes-first-two-complete-f35-stealth-fighters-it-has-purchased-from-lockheed-martin/story-fncynjr2-1227001828830
    ””””””””””via-tb

    .

    photo-shop suggestion, grab the photo of matthias in front of the trash-can,

    #add flames 🙂

  78. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2014 2:59 pm

    <I” (for the record, l dropped the 1st mh17 comment)”

    But repeated it here about a dozen times – that’s a true commitment to trolling.

  79. July 27, 2014 3:11 pm

    ”””””””””””””’ Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 18, 2014 11:55 am

    You’ll run from this – “Half-wits on my ABC wrongly blame Warriors and Weapon Suppliers..

    What an imbecilic thing to say – “wrongly blame” the people who used a missile to shoot down a civilian aircraft

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/16/bill-shorten-ramps-up-the-hysteria-to-eleventy/#comment-66121
    ”””””””””””””””””’

    .

    obviously l`m still `running`

    .

  80. egg permalink
    July 27, 2014 3:23 pm

    ‘Not one of your “predictions” ever bears fruit … I suppose its a scatterbraingun approach – eventually you’ll score by sheer chance …’

    My Gillard predictions were wrong, I was certain she would fall on her sword a lot earlier. The excuse I gave at the time was that a woman’s mind is a vast assortment of unknowns.

    Bu comparison, Abbott is an open book.

    The infrastructure PM will do what he says and the elimination of a filthy tax was easily foreseeable.

    This is Political Science 1, do try and keep up.

  81. armchair opionator permalink
    July 27, 2014 3:24 pm

    I am pleased to read in the guardian that only the police are going into the crash site. The govt must have been told that sending defence forces will be viewed as a provocation which is what I had been thinking.
    A difference between investigating and having armed troops on site.

  82. July 27, 2014 3:38 pm

    shit armchair, l think guardian may be wrong, joolee was saying adf was going to be part of `mission` on telly, within last hour or so

  83. armchair opionator permalink
    July 27, 2014 3:40 pm

    “…The excuse I gave at the time was that a woman’s mind is a vast assortment of unknowns…”

    As is a man’s unless males can somehow read male minds. Are you suggesting that the male buddy/networking methods can’t always work with females? Probably why they all went into frenzied attack mode, can’t trust those wimmins!

  84. armchair opionator permalink
    July 27, 2014 3:43 pm

    “…shit armchair, l think guardian may be wrong…”

    That’ll be interesting!
    Article written by a Paul far real and ‘agencies’

  85. armchair opionator permalink
    July 27, 2014 3:44 pm

    Far real = farrell
    *Auto text 😦

  86. egg permalink
    July 27, 2014 3:51 pm

    ‘Are you suggesting that the male buddy/networking methods can’t always work with females?’

    Nothing like that, its my inability to fathom the depths of their thinking.

  87. egg permalink
    July 27, 2014 4:09 pm

    The psychological differences may stem from weird wiring.

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 27, 2014 4:20 pm

    So you walk away from the comment everywhere but here, where you repeat it a dozen times.

    That’s either a serious commitment-
    • to trolling or
    • to stupidity

  89. egg permalink
    July 27, 2014 5:05 pm

    ‘There are about a dozen contributors here who have exchanged opinions and humour for about 8 years.’

    Guess that leaves me out.

    ‘The exchanges are tolerant and good natured, even given the deep philosophical differences that exist.’

    That is not entirely accurate.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2014 6:09 pm

    AUSTRALIAN Federal Police officers are being deployed to the MH17 crash site in Ukraine as part of a Dutch-led humanitarian mission — and they will be unarmed, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said this afternoon. “Our objective is to get in, get cracking and to get out,” he told reporters in Canberra.

    OUR? OUR?

    “unarmed” … this twit wants to watch “Blackhawk Down” and “Green Zone” a couple of times … they’re only movies but they’ll give him at least some idea of spying, soldiering, policing, the enemy you think and the real enemy … and encroaching on a civil war …

    Sending 230 armed** (see below) AFP officers into a war zone is absolutely crazy … my son was sent into Bougainville as a soldier unarmed – (with a nice UN peace dove on the chest of his shirt —- what lovely target!) – his mission was to make friends with the rebel leaders … he did) … this is quite different …

    … the Ukraine is not the Pacific where we have some respect … nor has it direct UN involvement …

    … the Ukraine is right in the middle of a shooting war with well armed, well trained, well led/officered and supported (eg SF, armour, missiles, food, light arms, transport, ammunition and most importantly intelligence via Moscow) …

    Our Prime Minister and our Foreign Minister are extremely naïve … and way out of their depth …

    The prime minister stressed the mission was slely (sic) humanitarian and had “absolutely nothing” to do with the politics of eastern Europe.

    “Others can get involved if they wish … our whole and sole purpose is to claim our dead and bring them home,” he said.

    and then this stupidity …**

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said “a number’’ of those in the operation would be armed, but she would not say how many.

    Hello-o-o-o-o, Julie, that means any pro-Russian terrorists will treat every AFP officer as armed … you don’t know which ones – neither do they … BANG! BLOOD! DEAD!

    Our government would have been better to trust the Dutch to look after our interests … they are members of NATO (and all that entails), will understand the Ukraine issues better than our government seem to do and they seem to communicate well more diplomatically than the Australian government with the Russians. (Despite the railroading of Putin’s daughter) …

    … they also have a very close relationship with Australia via many Dutch migrants – my wife, “The Minister”, being one of them … FFS, if we don’t trust the Nederlands who do we trust?

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/mh17-unarmed-australian-police-will-be-deployed-in-dutchled-mission-to-ukraine-war-zone/story-fnizu68q-1227002910352

    And BTW, I have a lot of respect for AFP officers, my niece was married to one … extremely professional organisation … hate to see any of them wounded or killed …

    Soldiers operate in war zones not police … two entirely different roles … and no, we should NOT deploy troops into CIVIL WAR … nor POLICE!

    Trust our allies …

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2014 6:28 pm

    ‘There are about a dozen contributors here who have exchanged opinions and humour for about 8 years.’

    Guess that leaves me out.

    Yep!

    ‘The exchanges are tolerant and good natured, even given the deep philosophical differences that exist.’

    That is not entirely accurate.

    I think you missed the point (again), egg … “tolerant and good natured” – between the Foundation Members … of which you are not one …

    Angst here derives from over the top, or consistent pounding of the same message …

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    July 27, 2014 6:29 pm

    special request to the Blogmeister … could you correct my blockquote after

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said “a number’’ of those in the operation would be armed, but she would not say how many.

    Ta …

  93. egg permalink
    July 27, 2014 7:06 pm

    “tolerant and good natured” – between the Foundation Members … of which you are not one …’

    Oh… I still can’t see a dozen Foundation Members.

  94. egg permalink
    July 27, 2014 7:20 pm

    ‘Angst here derives from over the top, or consistent pounding of the same message …’

    Is that right?

  95. July 27, 2014 7:43 pm

    Fixed TB..

  96. July 27, 2014 8:52 pm

    “That is not entirely accurate.”

    Feel free to respond in kind, el gordo, rather than making your callow snipes from behind the screen of others comments. At least then I may respect your defiance. As it currently stands, I am sharp enough to recognise when you’re taking a sideways jab at something I’ve said & you should anticipate full frontal retort every time you do it.
    If you don’t like it, either ignore my comments altogether or engage them directly.

    Same goes for Neil, who at least has the nads to use my name (as misguided as his linking me to his comments may be).

    My comments only become personal when I’m personally sneered at.

  97. egg permalink
    July 27, 2014 8:59 pm

    ‘Feel free to respond in kind, el gordo,’

    Its not my style.

  98. July 27, 2014 9:08 pm

    This is Luke Hartsuker (cock sucker, hard sucker) “A Cunt remember ” from Coffs harbor where unemployment is somewhere between 8 and 12 percent. Its stated as lower but the fact is most people have given up there because this ass wipe is not interested in attracting and holding onto local business. The biggest industry in Coffs for a while was unemployment service providers. So most just leave the region. He is a swinging dick in town whose family have a Dutch themed caravan park, which tells you what type of fuckwit he is in one…. Now I speak entirely from experience having the misfortune of meeting him.. this guy is bone stupid arrogant neocon wingnut, dumb as a box of nails… Here come the Green army conscripted soldiers of political opportunism and ideology….

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/budget-2014/most-jobseekers-are-to-be-required-to-work-for-the-dole/story-fnmbxsh3-1227003193531

  99. egg permalink
    July 27, 2014 9:29 pm

    ‘Here come the Green army conscripted soldiers of political opportunism and ideology….’

    Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, the Green Army is planning to recruit 18 to 25 year olds and it may never get off the ground.

  100. July 27, 2014 10:30 pm

    Recruit… Conscript more like.. planning? a fart bubble from too much mortadella at a Joe Hokey pay to play with the member is not planning its just like all fiberal lies masquerading as policy ideas.. vacuously contrived as ideologic payback on the run devoid of consequence..

  101. July 28, 2014 6:07 am

    ””””””””””””””Our government would have been better to trust the Dutch to look after our interests … they are members of NATO (and all that entails), will understand the Ukraine issues better than our government seem to do and””””””””””

    Yeah, fully agree with the dutch/ukraine relationship part TB,

    .

    ””””””””””’they seem to communicate well more diplomatically than the Australian government with the Russians. (Despite the railroading of Putin’s daughter)””””””””””””

    l`m a bit unsure about the dutch/russian relationship tho, from memory the dutch/russian relationship is a tense/strained one, along similar lines to norway/russia relationship due to a continual history of lock-stepping with teh-usa over many years,

    `but just how tense`, l don`t know, so maybe team-goof-off `may` be better dealing with team-vlad, (provided they shut their big yaps)

  102. July 28, 2014 6:22 am

    (tb)”””””””’encroaching on a civil war … Sending 230 armed** (see below) AFP officers into a war zone is absolutely crazy”””””””””

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said “a number’’ of those in the operation would be armed, but she would not say how many.

    agree TB, having `some` armed made`em all targets, so-idiotic, may as well have`em `all` armed, but l can`t see joolee and mr-rabbit halting their international grandstanding long enough to work that out

  103. July 28, 2014 6:29 am

    ”””The biggest industry in Coffs for a while was unemployment service providers.”””

    you`re not the only one l`ve heard say that ricky, and it seems to be being ignored by teabag-media too, these `out-sauced` dole-offices look like a bit of a ponzi scheme to me, much more benefits going to `operators` instead of `disadvantaged` it seems

  104. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:01 am

    ‘vacuously contrived as ideologic payback on the run devoid of consequence..’

    That’s not entirely accurate.

  105. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:13 am

    Speaking of “vacuously contrived”

    Joe Hockey has told New Zealand that there is no crisis in the Australian economy, nor is it in trouble.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-2706425/Economy-good-shape-Hockey-tells-NZ.html

    Our media is so wrapped up in planes that they really have no idea that other things are going on.

    Or do they?

    Interesting that they are spruiking how Brilliant tabot has been “leading the world” on this Tragedy. Unfortunately, that is from people fattened off the morsels our local media deign to provide, accurate or not. On the world stage, the only mark he has made (apart from wisely using Labors hard won seat on the Security Council (didn’t some numb nuts argue Against that?)) is being berated by ALL for threatening to send armed soldiers into a war zone.

    Is it just me, or does it seem that our media is trying to outdo North Korea’s in the “Dear Leader Immortalizing” category?

  106. Meeja Studies permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:18 am

    “Is it just me, or does it seem that our media is trying to outdo North Korea’s in the “Dear Leader Immortalizing” category?”

    It’s just you.

  107. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:37 am

    ‘Is it just me,’

    Bed pan and bagz agree with you.

  108. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:45 am

    It’s just you.

    Or is that people who accept bias and the resultant lies cannot see it?

    This guy apparently got on the front page. This is their “chief” political reporter ffs. Talk about Hagiography

    There is no doubt that he has led the world. Those that know him will tell you that he is no “surrender monkey”.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/simonbenson/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_nation_has_a_true_leader_in_tony_abbott/

    obviously simon doesn’t read news from elsewhere in the world. The Malaysians and the Dutch have been “leading”, with tabot providing unwelcome aggravations at the least required times.

    While our media were wetting themselves over tabots UN resolution (they forgot to mention that the Malaysians and Dutch had already garnered access to the site through quiet diplomacy with the very people tabot and his cohorts were previously demonising (and are now trusting)

    Apart from the almost R rated scenes thrust into our eyes every news episode (which I have now largely abandoned), they also fail to report on what other countries are doing, until we jump onto their tailcoats, and then try and pretend it was somehow due to us.

    I thought the last election was a low point in reporting. This episode has even eclipsed that. It is beyond parody.

    And to think that gubamint has just passed a law that can jail journalist for reporting over what it is doing.

    Try and equate that with Labor trying to get up an equivalent of press council for print in the same manner as tv has and the resultant “outrage” from the assembled throng. The silence is deafening

    No, our media makes the North Korean mob look like rank amateurs

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:50 am

    Abbott got out in front of this issue because the Europeans, by their energy dependence and military inadequacy, are not game to say much. Obama, having already retired from his day job, was off playing golf and fundraising for the mid-terms.

    Overall, Abbott has been much more successful in foreign affairs than the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd governments and much better than a lot of people (including me) expected.

    Ukaraine’s mistake was giving up its nukes for a NATO guarantee. That this was a worthless promise was proclaimed for all the world to see from the time Obama hit the reset button with the Russians.

  110. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:51 am

    I agree with everything splatter said.

  111. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:52 am

    I have to admit, this thread has its share of laughs

    The exchanges are tolerant and good natured, even given the deep philosophical differences that exist.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Talk to snacty or wally about “good natured”. Or, even better, try claiming that someone is a “vociferous” supporter of something, and see what that gets you 😉

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  112. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:53 am

    The hilarity continues

    Overall, Abbott has been much more successful in foreign affairs

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  113. In Plane Site permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:54 am

    “Or is that people who accept bias and the resultant lies cannot see it?”

    Your own biases are showing.

  114. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:02 am

    Your own biases are showing.

    I don’t doubt it.

    Yes, I’m biased about being misled by our media and gubamint, I admit it.

  115. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:04 am

    Why thank you gordo. A little plain speaking is like shining sunlight on vampires.

    Luckily some of us are still happy to give a balanced view. The shrill shrieking of the rusted-ons is a sure sign of accurate commentary.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:34 am

    ‘try claiming that someone is a “vociferous” supporter of something, and see what that gets you’

    Some light hearted banter?

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:36 am

    Thanks, sreb …

  118. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:36 am

    “Joe Hockey has told New Zealand that there is no crisis in the Australian economy, nor is it in trouble.”

    The economy may be doing OK but the budget is trashed. The two things are not the same. Unemployment at 6% was as good as in got under Hawke/Keating. Of course it reached 4.3% under Howard/Costello.

    And of course a trashed budget which is not fixed will eventually lead to a trashed economy.

  119. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:49 am

    but the budget is trashed.

    Sorry nil, the worlds laziest treasurer disagrees with you

    “Joe Hockey has told New Zealand that there is no crisis in the Australian economy, nor is it in trouble.”

    Or do you disagree with him?

    Some light hearted banter?

    It appears you are already having some with teabagz, but you are not enjoying it 😉

    Perhaps you just need to lighten up, or harden up 🙂

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:50 am

    It’s just you.

    Wrong, again, ToSY … I agree with, TR …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Overall, Abbott has been much more successful in foreign affairs than the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd governments and much better than a lot of people (including me) expected.

    Say what? Indonesia, China fuck ups … spring immediately to mind … as for the FTA with Japan – a Labor initiative that took a few years to stitch before Abbott took the credit after a couple of months in office …

    When Labor fucks up they cop it from me when the LibNits fuck up they cop it from me … if either operate professionally and in the interests of Australia they’ll get my thanks …

    The Abbott government turning off the Artesian Bore maintenance program funds we will lose all the advantage so far earned and directly affect the improvement in managing limited water supply for an industry worth $3 billion … that deserves heavy criticism …

  121. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:51 am

    Thanks, sreb …

    I AGREE!!

    I’m not sure what for yet, but I just wanted to get in on the bandwagon early like all good rusties do

    ……..

    Oh, that’s right, for letting me read the ridiculous in the morning to help lighten my day

    Should I thank yomm and splatter too then 🙂

  122. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:55 am

    Say what? Indonesia

    That is the most obvious one TB. I mean, within 3 months of office, the libs had reset over twenty years of diplomatic work with the Indonesians and we get to renegotiate all of that with them now having all the ‘hand’

    And, lets not forget our brave lead with Sri Lanka, while the rest of the world fights to find out what really went on there, we are actually fighting to prevent that occurring. Open gubamint my arse

  123. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:56 am

    TomR

    You obviously cannot read. The economy will be in trouble if the budget is not fixed. And being Treasurer Hockey has to be careful what he says.

    But the budget is trashed and this will lead to a trashed economy if nothing is done.

    And of course the budget was trashed by Labor like they always do and will always do.

    And it is trashed by Labor because their supporters believe that money can be created ex nihlo so debt is not a problem

  124. July 28, 2014 10:02 am

    One Minute squeal is shrilling emergency now its ok in defence of Joes medicine show that has doubled the deficit.. no doubt about wingnuts they just cant be lubricated by fact to loosen the nut.

    Splatter…Considering Abbotts efforts in the US, Indo and the rebranadising of israel/Palo, versus the fruitful work of Rudd Gillard in China and Asia generally by legacy this little stunt is a diversionary foghorn… Actually apart from sign a bullshit show pony trade deal with the Japs so we can all enjoy fukushima fish of negligible advantage to Aus…

    The Hypocrisy is astounding considering Julie Bishop is sitting in a seat on the UN security council that they were actively politically campaigning against as a waste of money and grandstanding as part of their No platform …pathetic.

  125. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:03 am

    “Deficit is not ‘debt’ but simply a record of funds in the hands of the private sector. Nor are deficits transferable from one government to another or from one generation to another. ”
    -Edward Eastwood

    The first bit simply means that if the government steals more off taxpayers everything is fine.

    The second sentence is complete crap and this idea that printing more money is OK because we are sovereign within our own sovereignty is just whacko/voodo stuff.

    Edward Estwood congratulations are in order. You have introduced us to “Loaves and Fishes Economics”

    In doing so you have usurped Catching Up as Economic Idiot of the Year.

  126. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:05 am

    And being Treasurer Hockey has to be careful what he says.

    A little late for that, don’t you think?

  127. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:07 am

    this idea that printing more money is OK because we are sovereign within our own sovereignty is just whacko/voodo stuff.

    Tell it to the yanks.

  128. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:13 am

    Not sure if this is in the book or not but Joe Hockey could be called the “Accidental Treasurer”

    Some of you might recall that Joe’s seat of North Sydney was actually held by highly repected Indie Ted Mack.

    Consequently no one really wanted the Liberal preselection except Joe who agreed to give it a try knowing it would be futile up against the very popular Ted Mack.

    Anyway Ted decided one night (if I recall correctly) in January 1996 to no longer contest the Seat and rang Joe that night whereupon the conversation went………..

    Ted Mack : Hi Joe its Ted Mack

    Joe : Oh………….Hi Ted. What can I do for you ?

    Ted Mack: I was just calling to congratulate you on becoming the next Member for North Sydney as I’ve decided not to contest……….I’m retiring.

    Joe :…………………………………………………….(Just silence)

    **********Dont ask me how I know this…………….I just know ********************

  129. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:15 am

    “Tell it to the yanks”

    Tell them what. They still have as much debt as they had when they started.

  130. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:19 am

    Joe Hockey has told New Zealand that there is no crisis in the Australian economy, nor is it in trouble.”

    So you cant tell the difference between the entire economy and government debt now……………………..astounding !

  131. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:28 am

    ‘I just know’ *

    Great inside knowledge, the sort of stuff we rarely read in the msm.

  132. July 28, 2014 10:36 am

    Joe :…………………………………………………….(Just silence)
    **********Dont ask me how I know this…………….I just know ********************

    ROTFL..good one Walrus 🙂

    The point is there is no emergency and Hokey kept talking down the economy as an aspirant Treasurer and find it hard to break that Mantra and tell the truth especially now he has doubled the deficit (hey if Tbags can dumb down simplify..right back atcha 🙂 )

    The reality of our fiscal position is far from the reported nonsense mantra of pollis and the soiled ass paper murdoch peddles as “news” Joe just turned Labors graphs upside down and pretended to actually be doing something aside from checking the tensile strength of hos gastric band and puffin cubans whilst grafting donations in his little ponzi scheme.

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:40 am

    Tell it to the yanks.

    I think you’ll find that some of us have been saying that … fiat money is a very dangerous concept …

    When the Septic Tanks print money … all it does is dilute the value of the dollar AND my savings … a bit of white paper with some green printing on it has little value if the country is in debt …

  134. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:49 am

    **********Dont ask me how I know this…………….I just know ********************

    The Hand of God?

    And this is important because? Do we care how he got the job by default? He’s got it AND want to be PM …

    Right now though … he’s trying to flog HIS budget to NZ ’cause he’s probably a bit wary of trying it on in Oz … rotten tomatoes and eggs are currently in good supply …

    From the link …

    Joe Hockey has told New Zealand that there is no crisis in the Australian economy, nor is it in trouble.

    The treasurer also made no mention of the “budget emergency” he and his government referred to when justifying their unpopular budget to Australians.

    Instead, Mr Hockey reassured Kiwis that their second biggest trading partner is benefiting from 23 years of consecutive economic growth.

    “The Australian economy is not in trouble,” he told New Zealand political current affairs show The Nation on Saturday.

    Mr Hockey also denied drastic reforms to Australian healthcare, education and taxes were about ideological change.

    He said his government’s reforms were about continuing growth and stimulating other parts of the economy.

    “There’s no crisis at all in the Australian economy,” the treasurer said.

    “The fact is you need to move on the budget to fix it now, and you need to undertake structural reform to structure the economy in the years ahead.”

    Despite the changes, New Zealand has nothing to worry about in terms of its trading partnership with Australia, he said.

    “We’re like brothers and sisters. There might be a little competitive tension in the family, but there’s no doubt in my mind that, you know, we’re shared blood.”

  135. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:57 am

    The NSW Premier is keeping Westconnex under wraps.

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/government-bid-to-keep-westconnex-documents-secret-20140727-zwf70.html

  136. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 10:59 am

    This is the kind of stupid we have to put up with here

    Julie Bishop heading to Ukraine to urge deployment of troops to MH17 crash site
    ……
    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop and her Dutch counterpart Frans Timmermans will return to Ukraine today to urge the government in Kiev to recall Parliament and approve the deployment of armed Australian troops to the MH17 crash site.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/julie-bishop-heading-to-ukraine-to-urge-deployment-of-troops-to-mh17-crash-site-20140727-zxazo.html

    I’m not sure Frans Timmermans agreed with her about the “armed troops”, the article is “inconclusive” about that (like much of the articles are) but we’d never know from our locals. Luckily, the Internets is global. Something the libs seem to keep forgetting

    Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte says sending out an international military force to secure the site of the downed Malaysian Airlines plane in eastern Ukraine is “unrealistic”.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28518056

    The Dutch must be wondering what kind of cosmic karma got them linked up with nutters like tabot and bishop.

  137. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 11:07 am

    Hard to argue with it

    Joe Hockey is an “arrogant, cigar-chomping” federal treasurer whose charmed life has “robbed him of charity”

    I mean, he claims he only got into politics because somebody didn’t treat him with the respect he believed he deserved because he was “paying her wages”

    If nothing highlights the born to rule mentality more,

  138. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 11:28 am

    And the Union witch hunt removes all pretenses.

    Disclose all contact with unions to royal commission, federal departments told

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/27/disclose-contact-unions-royal-commission-federal-departments?CMP=twt_gu

    The polls must be looking pretty bad right now for them to go to this extreme.

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2014 11:32 am

    Does Hockey’s wife’s wealth put him out of touch more or less than Kev’s use of Therese’s wealth?

    Does smoking a cigar disqualify empathy? Perhaps Shorten should ask Bob Hawke.

    I think Shorten should have also talked about the ‘elite’ who had a private school education.

    (wasn’t Shorten’s first wife rich?)

  140. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 11:53 am

    none of the above yomm.

    What puts him out of touch is handing down a budget that has trashed everything Australians love about this country (a fair go for all), and then wondering what the hell the fuss is about.

    But of course, to you, it is all about Labor ROFL

  141. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:01 pm

    A Fair Go For All

    That’s terrific TR, but the electorate has rejected socialism with a human face and prefer the free enterprise model.

  142. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:02 pm

    This done under the auspices of our minister for ‘ta Ladies’ and the self proclaimed minister for Aborigines. What a hypocritical fuckwit. He’s the minister for pushing religion (HIS) everywhere.

    More than 25 feminist women’s refuges in NSW have lost their government funding, with their buildings being handed over to religious or other charities. Many shelters will no longer focus on providing specialist services for domestic violence victims. And the attack on services for Aboriginal communities has been especially savage. Wendy Bacon reports.

    …….

    The Bourke Women’s Safe House will also be handed over to the local branch of the Catholic Centacare Agency next week.

    The Bourke Refuge could not provide comment, but an Aboriginal woman in Bourke who preferred not to be named said the Aboriginal community was not consulted, and that because religious agencies were involved in the Stolen Generation removal of children, the community is concerned women may avoid seeking help.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/25/updated-gutting-and-gagging-feminist-womens-refuges

  143. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:10 pm

    I’m all in favour of budget repair and debt reduction, but I agree that critical elements of Hockey’s budget are more about philosophy and social engineering than debt reduction.

    I’m still repulsed that he’s used debt reduction to-
    *Have 29 year olds have to wait 6 months to get the dole
    *Setting up tertiary education fees to ensure that students carry higher debt, or places like Melbourne or Sydney Unis are the enclave of wealthy children

    Those policies have noting to do with ‘budget repair’

  144. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:11 pm

    the electorate has rejected socialism with a human face and prefer the free enterprise model.

    Rubbish. They got sold a dud after being blinded by bullshit. The reaction to the budget displays this far better than your inane blatherings

  145. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:13 pm

    Those policies have noting to do with ‘budget repair’

    Very little of them do yomm. IN fact, Labors budgets provided far more solutions to it than this one, which is actively removing those measures. All based on Ideology, and going against better opinions.

  146. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:22 pm

    The reaction to the budget displays this far better than your inane blatherings’

    It was a tough budget because they had to show the international community that Australia is open for business. Free trade and infrastructure will drive progress over the coming decade.

  147. July 28, 2014 12:26 pm

    Tom I don’t care that he smokes Cigars (Smokin Joe is a great dig though) I don’t care that he’s misses has a quid.. What I find contemptible is his hypocrisy, payback, lies , dishonesty, ingenuous comments and complete lack of empathy for the fallout of a budget that targets the poor and middle class…. These are the hallmarks of someone who moves in the circles of nouveau rich completely out of touch with the reality of real people’s circumstance. He is stark contrast to Shortman , whom to his credit has an excellent record for social empathy by legacy somthing Gastric Joe has no fucking clue about.

    That’s terrific TR, but the electorate has rejected socialism with a human face and prefer the free enterprise model.

    You know about as much about political science as you do about science and communications Egg.

    Socialism? The electorate was consistently lied too using the word socialism as a code for communism whilst the real agenda was an oligarchy autocracy. Social Democracy is all about free enterprise as opposed to that free market democracy bullsit that Abbott and his sicophant fucktards are trying to implement touted as egalitarian by lemming leaping murdoch autocracy enslaving people to consumerism and corporate debt products.

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:31 pm

    Those policies have noting to do with ‘budget repair’

    None of them do … they are in fact destroying Australian business and society as we know it in one mean spirited budget …

    The reaction to the budget displays this far better than your inane blatherings’

    My what a monstrous kettle you have, egg, all the better to boil you in …

  149. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:34 pm

    ‘Social Democracy is all about free enterprise as opposed to that free market democracy bullsit…’

    The social democratic movement is fine but the Third Way has hit a wall, so its back to the model that actually works better.

  150. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:35 pm

    The electorate was consistently lied too using the word socialism as a code for communism

    I don’t know about you, but “work for the Dole” could feasibly have a hammer and sickle as it’s logo and nobody would blink

  151. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:39 pm

    ROFL

    An interesting “expose” on an “arrogant, cigar-chomping” federal treasurer whose charmed life has “robbed him of charity” (or so some do say 😉 )

    The Age of Entitlement isn’t over, it’s just over there where you can’t get to it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cartoon/2014/jul/28/australia-kill-poor?CMP=twt_gu

  152. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:51 pm

    No shit sherlock

    It’s just that we don’t have them here

  153. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 12:54 pm

    What? You’ve been watching the news all weekend and this is the first you’d heard about it?

    Well, don’t feel bad, our national public broadcaster, the ABC – which is receiving severe budget cuts as a result of this fictitious emergency – hasn’t reported on Hockey’s confession at all, as far as we can tell. And most other mainstream media – rather than running this happy news on the front page or breathlessly at the top of the bulletin – seem to have relegated coverage to the inside pages or online only stories.

    In other words, running dead on one of the biggest stories of the year — one that exposes the Government for the ideological and openly deceitful bunch of hucksters they truly are.

    It’s almost enough to make you think the mainstream media were working to polish and burnish the Abbott Government’s record as much as possible to keep them in the hunt for re-election. That they are not truly trying to hold them to account.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/shocking-joe-hockey-admits-the-budget-emergency-was-a-lie,6711

    (yea tosy, I’d be the only one 😉 )

  154. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 1:14 pm

    The ’emergency’ was to get the books looking good to attract $200 billion in foreign investment to build infrastructure. Its sitting on the table and Abbott wants it all.

    This is clearly what the NSW premier is waiting for too.

  155. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 1:19 pm

    The ‘emergency’ was to get the books looking good

    So, you admit, it was a lie.

  156. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 1:23 pm

    Of course, but with the best of intentions.

  157. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 1:43 pm

    I wonder if lies will get this sort of result

    Mr Swan, who oversaw the largest surge in foreign investment in Australia’s history

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/barnaby-joyce-beating-xenophobic-drums-wayne-swan-20131025-2w5vj.html

  158. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2014 1:45 pm

    “And this is important because? Do we care how he got the job by default? ”

    Oh do f**k off…………………..did you wake up cranky again this morning ?

    You might not care…………but others might be interested about the conversation that took place that night back in 1996.

  159. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2014 1:52 pm

    “The ‘emergency’ ”

    The “emegency” is about the level of unfunded spending promises made by the ALP in the years outside the Forward Estimates.

    But you already know that because as is your usual method of blogging despite being proven wrong again and again you like to start back at the beginning of every argument.

    i.e Carbon Tax versus Carbon Price (Wrong : Cite Gillard on Q&A admission and Rudd’s preelection confirmation), Craig Thomson “settlement” with Fairfax just to name 2 examples of your blogging style where despite being proven wrong a few days/weeks later to still return to your “vomit”

  160. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 1:59 pm

    ‘I wonder if lies will get this sort of result’

    Heaps more and it has nothing to do with agricultural investments.

  161. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 2:00 pm

    still return to your “vomit”

    You mean like hockey declaring there is no emergency? 😯

  162. July 28, 2014 2:33 pm

    I don’t know about you, but “work for the Dole” could feasibly have a hammer and sickle as it’s logo and nobody would blink

    I know for all the talk of “free market” ( which anyone with an ounce of nounce stands for oligarki autocratic with a sprinkle of dictatorship, the darwinian principle of goliath jungle economics) they sure do act like commo’s 😯

    Eggs off on the Infrastructure international statesman…egg that the wrong picture your looking at Rudd not Abbott Its easy to tell the difference, The ALP builds things so the fiberals can sell them. Teabags don’t build, its too blue collar for the born to rues, they have others do that it may interrupt their navel gazing. 🙂

  163. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 28, 2014 2:35 pm

    Citing Swan as a credible source of commentary on the budget is incredible.

    Swan (not quite) single handedly ruined the standing of the ALP in financial/budgetary matters. Every time the ALP talks about budget repair, all anyone has to do is say – ‘Swan said that too’

    Swan will be used against the ALP for a decade…and the dill is still in parliament and making pronouncements.

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2014 2:37 pm

    Of course, but with the best of intentions.

    Yeah? Tell that to the pensioners, parents and kids, the sick, the poor and the unemployed …

    Quite simply, egg, you’re a Dickhead© who enjoys the benefit of this blog to write shite …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh do f**k off…………………..did you wake up cranky again this morning ?

    I didn’t but you sound like your usual, happy self …

    You might not care

    Not when we are discussing the Budget … and not the mean spirited arsehole Fuckwit© wot delivered it …

    … how he got there is really irrelevant … it could even be implied that you were trying to steer the discussion off the budget … I just wanted to keep it on track, so to speak … maybe that’s why you got all sorta shrill at me … 🙂
    .
    still return to your “vomit”

    Ha ha! You’ve been talking to, sb, again! 😛

  165. July 28, 2014 2:51 pm

    Joe Taking Credit for the ALP and lying through his teeth…

    Crisis what Crisis…. Is it about ideology? You could see his gastric band tightening as he lies through his teeth.. “significant reform”

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Interview-Australian-Treasurer-Joe-Hockey/tabid/1348/articleID/354223/Default.aspx

  166. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 2:54 pm

    Citing Swan as a credible source of commentary on the budget is incredible.

    Although I disagree with pretty much every rant you spewed about Swan in that diatribe, who was citing Swan?

  167. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 2:57 pm

    Tim Dunlop examines why we should be questioning tabots role on MH16, instead of lionising him without any refection to actual events.

    This is a government and a prime minister that has taken petty partisanship to new heights (depths, I guess) and taken a winner-takes-all approach to government. This is a political party that has, at almost every point, been willing to abandon the niceties of political decorum, dating right back to their time in Opposition.

    Tony Abbott, at least initially, did a good job responding to the international tragedy of flight MH17. But so what? How much praise should he get for mere competence? Or for not overtly exploiting the moment for political gain? Surely we should expect nothing less?

    Well, not according to key sections of the media. Once again, they seem to think that it is their job to bear him aloft so that we-the-people may more properly gaze admiringly upon him. It is more than passing strange to watch them, as the story unfolds, positively will Mr Abbott’s modest achievement into some sort of heroic turning point.

    http://www.kingstribune.com/index.php/weekly-email/item/2056-in-a-national-disaster-who-speaks-for-us

  168. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 3:15 pm

    ‘Yeah? Tell that to the pensioners, parents and kids, the sick, the poor and the unemployed …’

    If they are still pissed off in a couple of years then the Abbotteers will be thrown out, which is unlikely to happen.

    A burgeoning middle class is the best thing that could happen for parents and their kids, pensioners and the sick, but the poor and unemployed need to get real.

  169. July 28, 2014 3:33 pm

    “Quite simply, egg, you’re a Dickhead© who enjoys the benefit of this blog to write shite …”

    HEAR HEAR!

  170. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 3:35 pm

    who enjoys the benefit of this blog to write shite

    Yes, but in that, he’s not alone 😉

  171. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2014 4:13 pm

    “Well, not according to key sections of the media. Once again, they seem to think that it is their job to bear him aloft so that we-the-people may more properly gaze admiringly upon him. ”

    Plus ex President Bill Clinton………………………Plus the Dutch Foreign Minister………………..Plus the Malaysian PM……………………Plus the British PM David Cameron…………………….Plus, Plus, Plus

    ROFLMAO at you Lefties and your Hatred

  172. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2014 4:15 pm

    “Tim Dunlop examines why we should be questioning tabots role on MH16, ”

    MH16 ???????????????????

    Have they lost another one or is it just you and facts that are allergic to each other

  173. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 4:24 pm

    ‘….and again you like to start back at the beginning of every argument.’

    He’s Deltoid trained.

  174. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 4:25 pm

    A master of obfuscation.

  175. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2014 4:32 pm

    “But so what? How much praise should he get for mere competence?”

    Have you considered that perhaps its more a reflection on the complete incompetence of our 3 previous PMs that the Media might be just not that used to “Competence” anymore.

    A kind of Reverse Stockholme Effect brought on by previous ALP incompetence

  176. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2014 5:09 pm

    A master of obfuscation.

    LOL!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Have you considered that perhaps its more a reflection on the complete incompetence of our 3 previous PMs that the Media might be just not that used to “Competence” anymore.

    No … Howard, Gillard and Rudd are gone, I concentrate on what’s in front of me … the gorilla, Abbott …

    … as for ministerial incompetence, sending unarmed police or “some armed” (shakes head) – into a CIVIL WAR ZONE is foolish and naïve in the extreme … now the call is for armed troops I hear – even more dangerous and stupid …

    … civil wars are notorious for their brutality and lack of thinking before shooting … these people are militia not disciplined soldiers … and certainly won’t have any concern for the ADF …

    … but we could get ourselves involved in someone else’s conflict … is that what Abbott wants?

    I agree with this … the Media might be just not that used to “Competence” anymore* … modern journalists are certainly incompetent, lazy, weak willed and easily led … especially Murdoch’s lackeys …

    *Yeah, I deliberately took it of context … just looking for a positive for you … 🙂

  177. Walrus permalink
    July 28, 2014 5:15 pm

    “Howard, Gillard and Rudd are gone, I concentrate on what’s in front of me …”

    Ummmmmmmmmmmmm……………….try Rudd, Gillard, Rudd

    What was that about concentrating ?

    LOL

  178. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 5:32 pm

    Plus, Plus, Plus

    These are the people our msm would have us believe tabot is influencing. They are not Lionising them. They are Lionising the loose canon

  179. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2014 5:44 pm

    I cannot believe all this crap written about Hockey. As Treasurer of Australia he has to be careful what he says. His comments can effect the stock market and the value of people shares.

    Unemployment at 6% was the record low level for the Hawke/Keating govt. That was as good as it got. Of course Howard/Costello took it to 4%.

    But there is indeed a budget emergency. Caused the by ALP. Started by the ALP.

  180. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 6:02 pm

    His comments can effect the stock market and the value of people shares.

    I guess the same could be said for his opposition counterpart too hey 😉

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    July 28, 2014 6:13 pm

    Robber Barons Your Government at work …

    A spokesperson from pay TV provider Foxtel, which is half-owned by news.com.au’s parent company News Corp Australia, welcomed government action on the issue.

    “While we are not in a position to comment on specifics until we have seen the official version of the paper, we welcome the fact that the government clearly recognises the importance of the creative industries to the economy and society and that they deserve to be appropriately rewarded for their efforts,” the spokesperson said.

    “We acknowledge the comments in the draft paper that everyone has a part to play in reducing the incidence of online piracy. We are confident that the government will do its part to put in place a regulatory system that encourages legitimate use and discourages illegitimate use of content.”

    The spokesperson rejected Mr Stanton’s comment that content was not readily accessible.

    The The Murdoch “Spokesperson” is obviously, really out of touch …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/illegal-downloading-in-governments-sights-as-online-copyright-infringement-discussion-paper-takes-aim-at-consumers-isps/story-fnjwneld-1227004467973

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    try Rudd, Gillard, Rudd

    What was that about concentrating ?

    Did you really think I didn’t know what you were getting at, Wally … you may have been on hols but I haven’t … now what was it that, Forrest Gump’s mother said to him … stupid is ….

    Call me fool but don’t ever think I’m one …

  182. Meta permalink
    July 28, 2014 6:54 pm

    (Erm, it does look a little bit like Dunlop’s been talking out of his proverbial, again:

    Tony Abbott has received the public’s approval for his leadership through the MH17 disaster but they’re yet to forgive him over controversial budget measures. A News Corp poll released on Monday shows 48 per cent of people believe the prime minister has shown more leadership in response to the downing of the flight, and his hard-line stance on Russia, than US President Barack Obama….Mr Abbott also trails Labor leader Bill Shorten as preferred prime minister, with most voters choosing Mr Shorten to manage the economy.
    Voter anger over budget reforms, most of which have stalled in the Senate, has been blamed for the domestic polling results.”
    )

  183. July 28, 2014 6:56 pm

    “the electorate has rejected socialism with a human face and prefer the free enterprise model.”

    Poll results in since the overegging seem to suggest that the voting populace is a little more concerned with getting ideologically spanked by a beholden government than they are blinded by playing at International Statesmanship.

    No surprises there…well, maybe only to those who possibly believe the bullshit they scribe.

    “the Abbotteers will be thrown out, which is unlikely to happen.”

    More bullshit. If AbbottCorp continues to play its IPA cards so overtly it is fucked. The electorate is now awake to its punitive policies & the fact that the ideologues calling the shots are in fact trying on a bit of social engineering.
    As I said last week, the Budget is an anchor around the government’s neck now…and every time they persist in bringing out new conservative fetish policies (like today’s uber-workforthedole announcement) two things will occur. One- these policies will generally be defeated…Two- they will sink further, expose more of their ugly underbelly & reinforce in voters minds precisely what they stand for.

    ” but the poor and unemployed need to get real.”

    Spoken like a true arselicking limpet. No wonder you can’t see the wood for the fucking trees.

  184. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:01 pm

    Toilet

    Your comments just reinforces my belief that Labor does not believe in surplus budgets and cannot control its spending to get one.

    One reason Howard/Costello got thrown out was because they were running surplus budgets. Australians do not like that. They want the money spent on themselves and stuff the surplus.

  185. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:06 pm

    They want the money spent on themselves and stuff the surplus.

    Seems fair. Because, all a surplus means is that you have taxed people too much.

    No wonder the hammock dweller kept getting them.

  186. July 28, 2014 7:09 pm

    My comment just reinforces the fact that el gordo’s attempts at garnishing the Budget Shitsandwich with some sauce to hide the rancid odour & puke inducing taste are indeed futile & won’t wash with domestic voters. As if the bulk of the population here gives a fuck about developments in the Ukraine (once the news cycle drops it) more than they care about how they’re getting pumped at home in their day to day lives.
    Wishful, partisan stupidity.

    The fact that you are able to derive that into some shitty meme about Labor just tells me you don’t observe the world from a very broad perspective, Neil. Hardly a revelation to me, I must say.

  187. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:12 pm

    Tom R

    You Labor supporters are such liars. Some of you say the Costello tax cuts were too generous causing structural problems in the budget. Now you say Costello taxed people too much. Please make up your mind.

    Fact is only a Coalition govt is capable of running surplus budgets. It is just not in the DNA of the ALP to save any money. All ALP govts are reckless spenders. And most ALP voters only care about themselves and their stomachs and the country can go to hell.

  188. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:20 pm

    Some of you say the Costello tax cuts were too generous causing structural problems in the budget. Now you say Costello taxed people too much.

    You really aren’t bright are you

  189. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:24 pm

    Nice aren’t they TB, protecting murdors rights, but what about the rest of us, how do we fair?

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/27/free-speech

  190. July 28, 2014 7:28 pm

    “You Labor supporters are such liars. Some of you say the Costello tax cuts were too generous causing structural problems in the budget. Now you say Costello taxed people too much. Please make up your mind.”

    Please show me where I said any of that or in fact even acted like a ‘Labor supporter’.

    Your partisan bias blinds you.

  191. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:28 pm

    If AbbottCorp continues to play its IPA cards so overtly it is fucked.

    A big if there toilet. Still a couple of years to go and, as we have seen in the last week, all three major outlets (fairfax, ltdnews and theirabc) are prepared to liberally dose events with a fragranted lipstick of their choosing. 12 months out from an election, the bribes will start raining in, and what has happened previously will be expunged from the minds of voters. Labor can repeat it as regularly s they like but, as we have seen so often, without a mouthpiece msm like the libs possess, they may as well reside within a cone of silence

  192. July 28, 2014 7:35 pm

    I think they’ve arrogantly flaunted their true intentions & people will have that in the back of their minds from now on, TomR. Much of what they propose will be viewed with the cynicism it deserves.
    The media hasn’t been able to quell anti-budget sentiment. I see the nationalistic wankery regarding Abbott V Putin as a sideshow. The media would be preening any Australian PM under the circumstances.
    Just as, if you took those polls regarding ‘handling of the MH17 incident’ elsewhere overseas, a majority of those voters would respond along nationalist lines. As if the whole world is actually enamoured with Tony Abbott *facepalm

  193. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:36 pm

    Please show me where I said any of that

    I’m pretty sure he is referring to other posters there toilet 😉

    And, he forgets that the costello tax cuts didn’t come in until after howie had been booted. A nice little Easter Egg left for the ALP, who had both that and a GFC to contend with.

    Of course, not matching howards ridiculous pledge, and removing costello’s already implemented cuts would have left them with a far healthier bottom line. But, as they showed, there were other ways of raising revenue.

    And this dumbass mob is winding them all back

  194. July 28, 2014 7:37 pm

    Your never gonna prise off the rusted-ons, of course they adulate AbbottCorp’s every utterance, but the unaligned who decide elections aren’t as easily had.

  195. July 28, 2014 7:40 pm

    “I’m pretty sure he is referring to other posters there toilet ”

    Starting his inanity with ‘Toilet’ (it should be lower case, btw, Neil) was what prompted my response to him, TomR.
    He tends to lump me into dumb comments a lot.

    “Toilet

    Your comments just reinforces my belief”

  196. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:42 pm

    The media hasn’t been able to quell anti-budget sentiment.

    truedat toilet. In fact, a lot of their budget analysis has been quite incisive. Which is all the more depressing, because it shows they know how it can be done. They just refuse to do it.

    The media would be preening any Australian PM under the circumstances.

    Yea, cos Gillard was treated with such awe during the Queensland floods wasn’t she? Was that where “wooden” originated?

  197. July 28, 2014 7:45 pm

    That was a domestic situation, TomR.

    The media loves to play Us V Them & pretend the Cold War is still raging, with regard to tragedies & horrors in Eastern Europe.
    It’s a ‘larger partisan game’, if you will. Nationalism is repulsive; every nation does it.

  198. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:47 pm

    He tends to lump me into dumb comments a lot.

    I think they call it “rambling” 😉

    It’s what happens when his mum gets called away and cannot fix is enunciations in time

  199. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:49 pm

    I can see by the comments ALP supporters do not care about the budget being in deficit. It is eat drink and be merry and the next generation can clean up the mess. And i love this comment

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/25/rostrum-operation-operational-operations-edition/#comment-66868

    “Governments which issue their own currency (fiat currency) such as Australia, the US, UK, China, Japan, etc… can never go broke nor do they need to ‘borrow’ from themselves.
    They simply create more money ex nihlo.

    Is that not wonderful. Govts can create money ex nihlo.

    Must be wonderful to live in lefty laa laa land. No wonder you people trash the budget every time you are in power. Because there is no mess. We can just print money to solve the problem.

  200. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:57 pm

    That was a domestic situation, TomR.

    Didn’t I specifically say “Queensland” floods 😉

  201. Tom R permalink
    July 28, 2014 7:59 pm

    ex nihlo

    I think this new moniker suits you nihlo 🙂

  202. July 28, 2014 8:03 pm

    “Didn’t I specifically say “Queensland” floods ”

    Of course.

    All I meant was that (any of) our PMs’ peacocking on the international stage is likely to draw sugary nationalist sentiment from the media; but it’s what they do domestically that really matters to your ‘average’ voter.

  203. July 28, 2014 8:18 pm

    Really Peter Reality overboard wuth your credability..says the CSG lobbiest

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-julie-bishop-should-be-our-next-coalition-pm-20140728-zxmn5.html

    I cannot believe all this crap written about Hockey. As Treasurer of Australia he has to be careful what he says

    Fuck me he was trashing the economy at every given opportunity..you hypocritical fucktard

    His comments can effect the stock market and the value of people shares.

    Just like Costello giving ordinary Australians advice to invest in shares for their retirement just before the GFC and now they are all on the pension… what a fucling shit treasurer al most as bigger imbecile as you

    But there is indeed a budget emergency. Caused the by ALP. Started by the ALP.

    Yep its in the bottom of the garden in a pointy hat with a staff

    Unemployment at 6% was the record low level for the Hawke/Keating govt. That was as good as it got. Of course Howard/Costello took it to 4%.

    After Hawke/Keating structural reforms in modernising the economy… left that part out Squeal…
    .

  204. egg permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:20 pm

    ‘A big if there toilet. Still a couple of years to go ….’

    Exactly, so a majority will forget Hockey’s horrendous budget.

  205. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2014 8:29 pm

    There is indeed a budget emergency. We are already paying higher interest rates than most countries on our debt. If we lose our AAA credit rating it will be even higher.

    And the economy is OK at the moment. Unemployment at 6% was the record low for the Hawke/Keating govt. When Keating knifed Hawke to become PM, unemployment was in double digits and was at 11% when Keating won the 1993 election.

  206. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 28, 2014 9:05 pm

    So budget deficits of $-27B, -$54B, -$47B, -43B -$18B, -$49B and no end in sight is not an emergency??

    Whatever.

    Those references say mainly the same thing. Since our debt is low, thanks to Costello, large budget deficits is not a problem. I do not agree.

    It should never be forgotten that Labor never helped the Coalition/Costello run surplus budgets to get our debt low but was always against them.

  207. July 28, 2014 11:21 pm

    Hokey has doubled the deficit… that is fact

  208. egg permalink
    July 29, 2014 6:51 am

    A bounce was predictable and you heard it here first.

    ‘TONY Abbott’s strong response to the murder of Australians aboard Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 has delivered the equal biggest-ever rise in his personal ratings outside of an election campaign.

    ‘The 12-point leap in the Prime Minister’s net satisfaction rating is short of John Howard’s record gains after the September 11 and Bali bombing terror attacks, but has given Mr Abbott his best personal poll results since April.’

    Hudson / Oz

  209. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 8:41 am

    Nice to see that all that time polishing the turd instead of informing the readers didn’t go to waste

  210. July 29, 2014 8:54 am

    “Exactly, so a majority will forget Hockey’s horrendous budget.”

    You have a comprehension problem.

    Somehow, you think that a rise in Abbott’s personal approval rating is synonymous with people ‘forgetting’ about the budget.
    One issue will dissipate. The other one, the one which directly affects voters, will not.

    You really do have your head stuck so far up Abbott’s arse you can’t see reality.

    As I said, you’re never gonna prise off the rusted-ons, of course they adulate AbbottCorp’s every utterance, but the unaligned who decide elections aren’t as easily had.

    MH17 is a sideshow which will peter out.

    Even if the budget is radically watered down, killed in the Senate or dropped, people have already been privy to its malicious intent & the semantic deceit & broken promises which came with it.

  211. July 29, 2014 8:56 am

    Pulled your crap straight from Bolt too, I might add.

    Typical.

  212. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 8:59 am

    The ideological drive is revealed.

    Conservative politicians repeatedly trumpet that IR laws suffocate productivity and require urgent amendment to introduce greater flexibility. But where’s the evidence?

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/28/make-no-mistake-labour-laws-do-nothing-to-hurt-productivity

  213. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 9:07 am

    MH17 is a sideshow which will peter out.

    Precisely. The budget will return, it already has for most, especially with the dumbass 40 jobs a month requirement being unveiled, which appears to have overtaken all the other papers who aren’t lost in dear leaders numbers (why didn’t they splash about his last huge plunge after the budget?)

  214. Walrus permalink
    July 29, 2014 9:11 am

    “”Yea, cos Gillard was treated with such awe during the Queensland floods wasn’t she? Was that where “wooden” originated?””

    Oh FFS…………she was wooden and unresponsive.

    Anna Bligh came out of the floods with the Media kudos and she was ALP. So where exactly is the political bias ?

    So what’s your point then ?

  215. July 29, 2014 9:16 am

    Settle down egg Decimation of this disgraceful deceitful filthy acrid corpse of a government is imminent as Abbott is about as believable as Monkton even if they bring em home and Rabbott sheds a tear they are still fucking toasted.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/07/27/galaxy-52-48-to-labor-5/

  216. egg permalink
    July 29, 2014 9:17 am

    ‘Pulled your crap straight from Bolt too, I might add.’

    I rarely visit Bolt, haven’t been there in a month, but you seem to visit him every day.

    ‘…people have already been privy to its malicious intent & the semantic deceit & broken promises which came with it.’

    The majority have short attention spans and should adjust to the new reality before the next election.

  217. July 29, 2014 9:22 am

    Comparing Gillards excellent response to the Qld floods with Abbotts manufactured budget diversion of using toasted airline passengers in a foreign country as human shields for his budget country is wing nut lunacy..

  218. July 29, 2014 9:23 am

    What new reality Egg..you are actually insane. 😯

  219. egg permalink
    July 29, 2014 9:35 am

    Two years is a long time in politics and you are woefully biased.

    InfrastructureInfrastructureInfrastructure

  220. Walrus permalink
    July 29, 2014 9:51 am

    “Comparing Gillards excellent response to the Qld floods “”

    ROFLMAO

    Too funny !

  221. July 29, 2014 9:57 am

    Woefully Biased? If you mean i’m not a wingnut and consider Abbott is the most unworthy and divisive Prime Minister in Australian history then yes. I have a long history of understanding Abbott as my friend was the editor of Honi Soit when he was a radical catholic right wing ideologist operative of Bob Santamaria on the SRC…nothing has changed.

    Egg Centrists are not Biased we look at individuals and issues on their merit unlike your faith in the easter bunny. Trust is based upon results and delivery of this government is bordering on pathetic by example reflected in Abbotts negative numbers. Yes 2 years is a long time and at this rate there will be revolt in the streets.

  222. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 9:59 am

    she was wooden and unresponsive.

    Yes, because your media lickspittles told you she was.

    So what’s your point then ?

  223. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 10:00 am

    at this rate there will be revolt in the streets.

    There already has been

    The media yawned, mainly because they didn’t understand it all. Dopey shits.

  224. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 10:03 am

    Another “no shit sherlock” moment

    Business groups have raised concerns the Abbott government’s plan to force unemployed people to apply for 40 jobs each month could lead to a deluge of poorly targeted applications.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/28/industry-concerned-about-coalitions-40-job-applications-a-month-plan

  225. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 10:13 am

    I’m just waiting for this gubamints first levy

    oh … wait….

  226. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2014 10:23 am

    “Even if the budget is radically watered down, killed in the Senate or dropped, people have already been privy to its malicious intent & the semantic deceit & broken promises which came with it.

    Well at least they are trying something. Labor did nothing for 6 years but spend, spend, spend. Labors 6 budgets should be proof to anyone with a functioning brain that Labor cannot control its spending. Never have, never will.

  227. Walrus permalink
    July 29, 2014 10:25 am

    “…………….as my friend was the editor of Honi Soit ”

    As a graduate of said University (whilst Abbott was there) why am I not surprised.

    In fact Abbott and his cohorts plus the Australian Students Union or whatever it was called back then were both as bad as each other and mainstream students like myself did not want a thing to do with any of them.

    Honi Soit’s main purpose was keeping students informed about what band was playing a concert on the lawn outside Fisher Library that week whether it was the Hitmen, INXS, Rose Tattoo etc.

    Other than that Honi Soit was a Left Wing no one read

  228. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 10:36 am

    Labor did nothing for 6 years but spend, spend, spend.

    Funny, the facts say otherwise

  229. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2014 11:09 am

    Wow TomR posts a graph of what may have happened in the future even though Labors previous predictions were all wrong.

    Swan predicted a $21B surplus in his first budget and it ended up being a $27B deficit.

    Anybody who believes anything published by the ALP is insane

  230. egg permalink
    July 29, 2014 11:10 am

    ‘The media yawned, mainly because they didn’t understand it all. Dopey shits.’

    That’s because they were organised rallies and not newsworthy, but Ricky’s comment ‘there will be revolt in the streets’ is valid.

    If the government goes ahead with draconian measures against the unemployed, there will be beggars outside McDonalds, not to mention increasing break-ins and assaults on the street.

    This would be untenable and a massive fail, so they need to soften their hard line or pull a rabbit out of the hat.

  231. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 11:34 am

    Swan predicted a $21B surplus in his first budget and it ended up being a $27B deficit.

    But they weren’t the result of spending, but collapses in revenue.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/09/27/what-happened-to-swans-surplus-now-we-know/

    Spending by the Government actually FELL under Swan, yet you continue with your lies

    Why is that?

  232. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 11:35 am

    not newsworthy

    Is that because alan jones wasn’t there to lie to journo’s?

  233. July 29, 2014 12:07 pm

    As a graduate of said University (whilst Abbott was there) why am I not surprised.
    In fact Abbott and his cohorts plus the Australian Students Union or whatever it was called back then were both as bad as each other

    I hear you there, but Abbott was off the scale art hating elitist, queen worshipping (the wrong kind but the jury is out on his seminal period) , dog, bothering, narrow view , missionary strictly vanilla , racist, misogynist cunt.. pretty much the same as now. He was about as representative of people on the SRC as he is of real Australia now… Zero.

    … Funny he cut his hair put on some shoes, had a tub then moved to silicon valley and ended up at IBM on mega bucks…

    You are a bit older than me, I was still in High school but would regularly attend some of the concerts and a few of the NORMAL do’s with my mates brother who was about your age i’m guessing

    News Flash SQUEAL Hokey doubles deficit

  234. July 29, 2014 12:08 pm

    The Former Editor I mean…ended up at IBM.. 🙂

  235. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2014 12:09 pm

    The main point i was trying to make is that Swan got his predictions wrong. Not only wrong but not even close.

    And spending went up under Swan.

  236. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 12:20 pm

    The main point i was trying to make is that Swan got his predictions wrong.

    Treasury got the predictions wrong, as they do EVERY time.

    And spending went up under Swan.

    Did you read the link?

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2014 12:27 pm

    Here’s a carefully written article … notice there is no mention of, St Joseph’s, that would be a bit of a clue that its a Catholic school — and no mention of Catholic either … someone keeping it quiet do you suppose … Pope Rupert’s lot protecting the dough again …

    … anyone in Brisbane would be familiar with Nudgee College on the Northside … and I walk past another, St Joseph’s every day … both junior/primary feeder schools for Nudgee …

    Suffer the little children to come unto me …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/nudgee-junior-college-teacher-kevin-jaey-robert-crisp-charged-with-four-counts-of-indecent-treatment/story-e6frfkp9-1227004992179

  238. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2014 12:30 pm

    Did you read the budget?

    http://www.budget.gov.au/2014-15/content/bp1/html/bp1_bst10-05.htm

    Costello spent $271.8B in his last budget which was 23.1% of GDP. Spending exploded under Swan reaching $339B in 2009/10 which was 26% of GDP.

  239. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2014 12:32 pm

    Anna Bligh came out of the floods with the Media kudos and she was ALP. So where exactly is the political bias ?

    Indeed she did … and promptly got clobbered at the next election … lesson?

  240. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 12:42 pm

    Did you read the budget?

    Yes

    Table 4 is interesting, is it not?

  241. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 12:43 pm

    Suffer the little children to come unto me …

    Is that the correct spelling?

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2014 1:34 pm

    Sad thought … TR, them blue cards work really well, hey?

  243. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 2:57 pm

  244. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 2:58 pm

    them blue cards work really well

    None of them do unfortunately TB. 😦

  245. July 29, 2014 3:30 pm

    News Flash Hokey doubles deficit

  246. Tom R permalink
    July 29, 2014 3:31 pm

    And Queensland sells the state

    http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/07/qld-prepares-for-asset-fire-sale/

  247. July 29, 2014 3:55 pm

    MILK MADE

  248. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 29, 2014 4:03 pm

    Yes Bligh/Beattie trashed the budget so Queensland needs to sell assets to pay off the debt.

    Table 4 is interesting, is it not?”

    Yeah receipts dropped but spending exploded. I love the comment from your link

    Greg O’Donnell
    Posted Friday, 27 September 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Dear Bernard, you state how Wayne Swan cut spending by 3.2% in a particular year, which is correct. Could you advise how much he had increased spending in the previous year, whatever the justification for doing so?

    Spending exploded under Swan. Spending went up 12% in his first year.

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    July 29, 2014 6:47 pm

    Economic managers my arse!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/taxpayers-fork-out-330000-for-border-protection-media-briefing-room-that-has-never-been-used/story-fncynjr2-1227005998287

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    None of them do unfortunately TB. 😦

    Hoi! I had one … how my family laughed …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes Bligh/Beattie trashed the budget so Queensland needs to sell assets to pay off the debt.

    Actually, NO, it doesn’t … Sir Noddy and the Nitwits set up a shonky web survey … and, like Abbott, Newman LIED, LIED, LIED, LIED, LIED …. just like you do, Kneel … Liberals and Nationals and their supporters LIE all the time …

  250. Splatterbottom permalink
    July 30, 2014 11:54 am

    An interesting news report about something we must not discuss.

  251. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 30, 2014 12:15 pm

    TB

    Beattie/Bligh rashed the state of Queensland like all Labor Party govts do. Except here in NSW where they are usually fiscally conservative

    The graph shows the rapid and unsustainable increase in debt while Beattie and Bligh were asleep. You could use the same graph for most Labor govts either State or Federal for the last 35 years.

  252. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    July 30, 2014 9:40 pm

    Now whistleblower Kathy Jackson looks crooked!! Even “nice” union officials are dubious.

    What a great union the HSU is… the ANF hand HSU discuss amalgamation from time to time. I suspect people like AO will be glad those discussions have never gone anywhere.

  253. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 1, 2014 11:26 am

    For those who are sick of wars, terror and politcal bickering, this is an entertaining site.

  254. August 2, 2014 3:12 pm

    (For certain; neither lightening up, nor hardening up will change their fate. Not even light hearted banter will save the recklessly negligent airline from its own demise now.)

    .

  255. August 5, 2014 1:46 am

    I guess this is the end of the age of entitlement and the dawning of reign of entitlement for the born to rule… the hypocrisy is breathtaking

    http://m.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/governments-vip-jet-travel-bill-hits-close-to-900000-20140803-3d20u.html

  256. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2014 8:55 am

    In a devastating critique into the formation of Australia’s biggest infrastructure projects, former Productivity Commission head Bill Scales has found the NBN Co set up to develop the high-speed internet network was given a job that only a “well-functioning, large and established” telecommunications company could do under the tight time¬tables for the rollout. For a start-up, it was an “impossible assignment”.
    Mr Scales said he was told that some of those involved in the first 12 months of the NBN Co were “making it up as they went”, while others related a “salutary anecdote” that, in the early days of NBN Co, ‘‘all we had (to guide us) was the press release and a bunch of business cards”.
    In a move that will reignite political debate over the NBN, the Coalition late yesterday tabled the 186-page audit into the process that led to the formation of Labor’s NBN. It is significant as it contains sweeping recommendations on what future actions Canberra should take when considering major projects such as the network. It also comes ahead of an independent cost-benefit analysis into broadband and the regulatory ¬arrangements for the NBN.

    Well, who would have thought that NBN was set up in a chaotic rush??

    It happens that I had a little involvement with NBN during that time.

    The establishment of that organisation was a disaster, people were appointed at several levels above their capability and experience, there was little co-ordination of activity. Executives were tripping over each other in establishing their departments and defining their authority.

    People with no background or qualifications in the management of billion $ projects were put in charge of negotiating the contracts with wily contractors. NBNs cost model was based on small projects carried out by Telstra, with no thinking or accommodation of the demands, expectations or requirements of rolling out construction across multiple sites in busy metropolitan areas.

    It was a costly disaster, a debacle.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/labors-nbn-rushed-chaotic-says-audit/story-e6frgaif-1227013441446

  257. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:31 am

    Policy formulated on the back of a napkin and implemented on the run. Didn’t help that Conroy filled high-paying positions with Labor mates – positions not advertised of course!

    Such is life in Unionland.

  258. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:31 am

    RP, then add this little lot to your list – especially the last one for the G20 (or will that be the G19) in Brisbane … makes you blink …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/for-a-coffee-table-your-tax-dollars-hard-at-work/story-e6frflo9-1227013551395

  259. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:33 am

    Such is life in Unionland.

    And, I suspect, the land of Productivity Councils …

    Just sayin’ …

  260. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:35 am

    “Well, who would have thought that NBN was set up in a chaotic rush??”

    That’s a completely over the top comment ToM.

    Absolutely ridiculous. You state that as though it was created out of a 10 minute conversation beside a watercooler.

    The facts are that it was created and fully costed by Conroy and Rudd on the back of a dry drinks coater on a 1 1/2 hour flight between Brisbane and Sydney (if I recall correctly).

    To say otherwise is a complete distortion/misrepresentation.

  261. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:38 am

    “RP, then add this little lot to your list “”

    Ordered by Kim Carr no less

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:41 am

    Ordered by Kim Carr no less

    Do I give a fuck … its stupid and wasteful …

  263. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2014 12:41 pm

    NBN will deservedly thrash the ALP’s reputation for delivery of infrastructure projects.
    • Over budget
    • Behind delivery target
    • Poorly planned
    • Shambolic administration/project execution

    (I tipped this)

  264. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2014 1:41 pm

    lol, lapping at the oz’s coolaide I see yomm.

    Some “context”

  265. August 5, 2014 1:42 pm

    “NBN will deservedly thrash the ALP’s reputation”

    NEWS FLASH:

    The ALP isn’t in Government anymore.

  266. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2014 1:56 pm

    And it doesn’t have a reputation that isn’t already trashed.

  267. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2014 1:59 pm

    Bill Scales, a former Telstra director, secretary of Victoria’s Department of Premier and Cabinet and member of the Gonski Review,

    But hey………………..what the F**k would he know ?

    “”lol, lapping at the oz’s coolaide I see yomm.””

    Fairfax has also laid the boot into the ALP

  268. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2014 2:01 pm

    “”Please Note: Your comment is awaiting moderation.””

    Should I declare Jihad ??????????????????????????

  269. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2014 2:14 pm

    lol, I just read this from the “Independent Audit”

    Looks like “chaos” was already assumed.

    The NBN policy development and discussions were taking place in an environment of frenetic and chaotic activity within the Government caused mainly by the effect or anticipated effect of the GFC on the Australian economy

    http://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/02%20Parliamentary%20Business/22%20Chamber%20Documents/223%20Tabled%20Papers/Documents%20Presented/Out%20of%20session/040814_audit_report

    rushed? Yet this is what Lindsay Tanner is quoted as saying.

    In January 2009 we met almost continuously for two weeks, in almost every capital city, to craft the second stimulus package. We later moved on to conduct extensive deliberations on the National Broadband Network proposal,

    But this is the most telling

    The NBN policy development was also being conducted against a backdrop of
    an almost complete breakdown in the relationship between the Government and Telstra

    Who wrote this “Independent Audit” again??

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  270. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2014 2:22 pm

    Shambolic administration/project execution

    Well, if you take any notice of an “Independent Audit” that is riddled with terms like ” it would appear” and “seems to”

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Although, I note the msm have dutifully and unquestioningly taken a lot of notice of it 😦

    Is why I prefer ZDNet 😉

  271. egg permalink
    August 5, 2014 2:26 pm

    “”Please Note: Your comment is awaiting moderation.””

    Yes …. indeed ….

    As the Hubot said to his mistress, ‘why the fuck did you turn me off?’

  272. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2014 3:04 pm

    “The ALP isn’t in Government anymore.

    That’s true, but stuffing up a $43,000,000,000 project is worth commenting on

  273. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2014 3:11 pm

    but stuffing up a $43,000,000,000 project is worth commenting on

    Who says they did. Oh, that’s right, the guy they beat at his own game.

  274. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2014 3:19 pm

    ” Who says they did. Oh, that’s right, the guy they beat at his own game.

    Yeah, that’s right. Bill Scales left Telstra in 2005, that’s when the new (USA) crowd wanted to stamp their authority.

    I suppose that would make Scales really, really, really loyal to Trujillo and his sidekicks (who were the ones opposed to NBN)

    Did the ALP or have an NBN policy in 2005?

  275. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2014 3:40 pm

    http://www.budde.com.au/Research/Australia-National-Broadband-Network-Policies-and-Regulations.html

    But yes, a former Telstra shill, who profusely uses words like “appear” and “seems” in an “Independent Audit”

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  276. August 5, 2014 7:38 pm

    This is the sort of thing we can expect from Joe Hockey’s Budget…

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/03/victims-britains-harsh-welfare-sanctions?CMP=soc_567

  277. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2014 8:03 pm

    ”words like “appear” and “seems”…are entirely reasonable in an analysis of an ad hoc process.

  278. August 5, 2014 8:42 pm

    Really? I would’ve thought that the purpose of an AUDIT is to determine the FACTS and separate those facts from the bullshit that is perpetrated under the guise of fanciful statements that are dressed in terminology like “appears” and “seems”….

  279. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2014 8:47 pm

    …are entirely reasonable in an analysis of an ad hoc process.

    Well, if you start with the assumption (another good word) that the process was “ad-hoc”

    Mind you, if they had all the evidence, it wouldn’t have “appear” or seems”, it would be a stated fact.

    The report actually lists quite a number of external and internal agencies involved in the development of the MkII plan which took over a year to develop (sorry, looks like the “back of coaster meme is bunkum too). The author has also “assumed” that Cabinet were in the dark for all this time, but as Conroy has pointed out in the above link in the sortius tweet, how would the author know what Cabinet knew? He didn’t, he “assumed”.

    Assumptions, appearances (from those assumptions), that “seems” to look like maybe something the author really wants to be true. That is truly “independent”, of facts at least.

    Even though the limited, available evidence in his own report shows otherwise, he still claims it was “rushed”, and somehow “chaotic” (like his assumption the GFC response was “chaotic”). Imagine if he had all the evidence, ( actually, I’m pretty sure his conclusion would be the same)

    STEPHEN CONROY: Mr Scales isn’t aware of all of the evidence and all of the deliberations. There was an alternative position discussed, but Bill Scales is not aware of that because it was discussed in cabinet committees.

    analysis

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 :lol

  280. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2014 8:48 pm

    I’m all lolled out 🙂

  281. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2014 8:52 pm

    I would’ve thought that the purpose of an AUDIT is to determine the FACTS and separate those facts from the bullshit that is perpetrated under the guise of fanciful statements that are dressed in terminology like “appears” and “seems”….

    It “appears” that the audit has “assumed” the same ideology that turnbull “seems” to have.

    Miraculous they called it.

  282. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:03 pm

    Audits may deal with a range of issues.

    • A safety audit (for example) may recommend systemic improvements, despite an organisation having few (or no) safety incidents.

    • An organisational audit may identify some perceived deficiencies in reporting structure, or succession planning or graduate recruitment or capability… even though the organisation is performing quite well.

    • An audit of governance might propose some tighter definitions of board delegation/decisions and authority or expenditure levels, even though there is no specific governance breach.

    Does anyone have a problem with audit processes that seek to address poor or deficient practice?

  283. August 5, 2014 9:11 pm

    I guess that the Building of the NBN would seem Chaotic, overblown, unnecessary , expensive and not viable to a party that never builds anything. The Fiberal alternative is a big fat “0” (sorry market forces..never build it). Excuse me pointing out something blatantly obvious here but has anything like this been built before?… anybody?

    No .. thats because the opposition sold Telstra before they could do a FTN then FTP rollout. because they were duly ass fucked by “market force” “commercial viability” and Costello’s new aspirant “Mom and POp” investors owning a piece of the infrastructure they already owned….
    Fiberals think people have news corps cycle memory retention….

    Gee not any surprise that Turnbull appoints one of his mates and they say it was all foley…. Expect a few more Fiberal Snouts in that trough….

    Love to do efficiency Audits into circuses run by the Fiberal overlord trough snouting brigade..

    it would appear..
    anecdotal evidence proves…
    in speaking to those concerned we deduce….
    It seem like….

  284. August 5, 2014 10:09 pm

    “Does anyone have a problem with audit processes that seek to address poor or deficient practice?

    Not at all.

    Do you have a problem with audits that scrutinise allegations that amount to nothing other than what :”appears” or “seems” to be the case…….?

  285. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 5, 2014 11:10 pm

    The balance of probability is the test applied to making recommendations for improvement.

    If something is apparent (ie “it appears”) it is reasonable to draw a conclusion.

  286. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 7:48 am

    If something is apparent (ie “it appears”) it is reasonable to draw a conclusion.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    apparent
    ?’par(?)nt/
    adjective
    adjective: apparent

    1.
    clearly visible or understood; obvious.

    appear
    ?’p??/
    verb
    3rd person present: appears

    1.
    come into sight; become visible or noticeable, especially without apparent cause.

    Perhaps you meant to say “It is apparent that a conclusion was drawn on evidence that appears to be all in the spivs mind”?

  287. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 8:38 am

    ‘IT’S a long way from the glowing red sand hills and shimmering creeks of Queensland’s Channel Country to the glittering glass-and-steel skyscrapers of Hong Kong and Shanghai.

    ‘But outback cattleman David Brook, the owner of the Birdsville pub, is learning to bridge both worlds, as the meat company he established and now chairs, OBE Organic, spreads its wings into Asia. Riding the wave of soaring global demand for natural, chemical-free, grass-fed beef from Australia’s inland heart, the little-known company and the 30 outback cattle families who are its suppliers and shareholders have quickly become an Australian food success story.’

    Neales / Oz

  288. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 8:54 am

    Rushed, chaotic, inadequate. This is how it is done.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/cartoon_gallery_david_rowe_1g8WHy9urgOIQrWQ0IrkdO

    And how genuinely the government wants unity is also uncertain, since most of the cabinet and the major telecommunications companies found out about the policy to force telcos to retain customers’ metadata from reading Tuesday morning’s newspapers after a Monday night meeting of the national security council. Briefings they received after cabinet on Tuesday suggested nothing much would change.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/05/team-australia-need-told-more-these-policies

  289. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:43 am

    ‘AUSTRALIA faces the largest power glut in the history of the national electricity market.

    ‘Electricity use has plunged so much that no new coal or gas base­load power generation will be needed over the next decade to comply with the nation’s famously conservative requirements for ensuring lights stay on.’

    Hepworth / Oz

  290. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:06 am

  291. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:13 am

    Erica abetz from the catholic party now denying he ever said what he said. I think there’s a link between fundy religious belief and bigoted ignorance, wonder if there are any studies?

  292. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:18 am

  293. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:30 am

    As any woman who has had breast cancer knows, pregnancy and elevated hormones feed breast cancer, which is why women with BC are advised to have an abortion if pregnant (as well as the need to commence cytotoxic meds).

    Captain catholic and his apostles are in charge of public policy – I only hope enough fearless public servants still have jobs to protect us from these modern day inquisitors.

  294. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:44 am

  295. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:01 am

    Wow 3 conflicting reports.

    1. Uncle Carl says there are no peer reviewed science that suggests a link

    2. First line of the paper that Swan links to says this “Studies suggesting a positive association between pregnancy termination and breast cancer risk have often been of retrospective case-control design, so subject to selection and recall biases”

    So Uncle Carl is wrong. There are reports and they show a positive link

    3. However the paper disagrees with these reports. The paper linked to suggests a negative or protective link between cancer and abortion.

    Who to believe??

    Three opinions
    1. no studies done (according to Carl)
    2. studies done showing positive link
    3. study done showing negative link

  296. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:08 am

    “Electricity use has plunged so much that no new coal or gas base­load power generation will be needed over the next decade”

    That’s due to the ALP savaging manufacturing chiefly the Aluminium businesses (huge users of electricity) run out of the country due to stupid fucking wind and solar power plus the Carbon Tax

  297. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:11 am

    “So Uncle Carl is wrong. There are reports and they show a positive link”

    How do you arrive at that conclusion Neil?
    Your warped “interpretation” does not make any facts fit at all.

    Try reworking it. You are not computing, malfunction of boltist try hard!

  298. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:20 am

    AO

    I read the abstract to the paper. I even quoted the first sentence. It looks like the older reports show a positive link. So firstly Carl is wrong. There are reports showing a link.

    It looks like newer reports now show a different result. The paper you linked to showed a slightly negative link.

    Not sure why you are abusing me. I am just quoting the paper Jonathon Swan linked to

    Null association between pregnancy termination and breast cancer in a registry-based study of parous women.
    Authors
    Lash TL, et al. Show all
    Journal

    Int J Cancer. 2004 Jun 20;110(3):443-8.”

  299. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:55 am

    ‘due to stupid fucking wind and solar power plus the Carbon Tax’

    That makes good sense.

  300. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 11:19 am

    That’s due to the ALP savaging manufacturing

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Tell it to Holden!

  301. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 11:22 am

    “Tell it to Holden!”

    Oh………..so now you support Corporate Welfare

  302. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 11:23 am

    There are reports showing a link.

    I don’t claim to know anything about this topic, but the SMH story did mention something about ” debunked link between abortion and breast cancer. ”

    Meanwhile, abetz is proof of the real reason behind not having a science minister.

  303. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 11:27 am

    Oh………..so now you support Corporate Welfare

    I prefer levelling the playing field, yes.

    EVERY automotive manufacturing country subsidises their industry in some form. Ours was just more direct.

  304. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 11:29 am

    Older reports are wrong Neil. “Reports” are not scientific studies either and thinking changes over time as new evidence emerges, something conservatives like you can’t manage to do.

    Try something recent, not from the 1950’s where smoking and asbestos was considered safe.

    Anyway, you keep defending 1950’s views and look even more of an idiot if that’s possible.

  305. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 11:42 am

    “Older reports are wrong Neil.

    Well that is sort of what i was trying to say. But they were not reports. They were scientific papers.

    I was not defending anything. I found it funny that

    1. Uncle Carl said there were no scientific studies on the topic

    WRONG. CONCLUSION. Uncle Carl is not to be trusted.

    2. Older research said one thing and newer research said another.

    Did you read the abstract to the paper??

    “Abstract

    Studies suggesting a positive association between pregnancy termination and breast cancer risk have often been of retrospective case-control design, so subject to selection and recall biases. We undertook a registry-based analysis with minimal selection bias and prospective record-based ascertainment of terminations. The source population comprised Massachusetts women with a record of giving birth between 1987 and 1999 in the Massachusetts Vital Statistics Registry. Primary breast cancer cases were 25-55 years old at diagnosis between 1988 and 2000 and had a record of the diagnosis in the Massachusetts Cancer Registry. We matched 3 controls to each case on maternal age, year of giving birth and birth facility. Information on terminations (induced and spontaneous) before the birth of record, the matched factors and potential confounders were collected from the birth certificate. After adjustment for the matched factors, age, parity and maternal and paternal education, the odds ratio associating any termination history with breast cancer risk equaled 0.91 (95% CI = 0.79-1.05). The marginally protective adjusted odds ratio largely derived from a protective effect among women with parity equaled to 1 (OR for any termination = 0.68; 95% CI = 0.45-1.03), suggesting a protective effect of terminated pregnancy among women with one live birth.

    The bottom line is that older studies said one thing and newer studies said something else.

    I wonder if changing opinion had anything to do with the results?

  306. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 11:59 am

    Anyway, you keep defending 1950’s views and look even more of an idiot if that’s possible.

    you had to tempt him didn’t you AO 😉

    I wonder if changing opinion had anything to do with the results?

  307. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 12:12 pm

    “Anyway, you keep defending 1950’s views and look even more of an idiot if that’s possible
    You know that is an interesting comment.

    1950’s views published in scientific reports said one thing.

    2010 views published in scientific reports said something different.

    I wonder if preconceived ideas have some effect on the results?

  308. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 12:38 pm

    I wonder if preconceived ideas have some effect on the results?

    If you are preconceived to the 1950’s, then I guess they might be.

    If you are preconceived to scientific studies, I’ll go with the accumulation of both evidence and knowledge to make a determination.

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 12:49 pm

    ‘due to stupid fucking wind and solar power plus the Carbon Tax’

    That makes good sense.

    Astounding observations … chuck shit into the air from digging to burning and that is better than solar or wind energy … thick as shit …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    EVERY automotive manufacturing country subsidises their industry in some form. Ours was just more direct.

    Problem with that, TR, is that its the US industry – GM – we’d be supporting … Holden is a virtual memory has been for decades – just a badge, name and marketing BS … and they don’t/can’t produce vehicles most of the Australian public want …

  310. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 1:00 pm

    Problem with that, TR, is that its the US industry – GM – we’d be supporting

    Tell it to Elizabeth and Geelong

    And all of the feeder companies that have already begun closing their doors as there is no future for them now.

    Which is why the guvmint is abandoning defense manufacturing as well. They knew it couldn’t survive without the automotive industry behind, even though they used it back then as they killed automotive industry as a replacement industry.

    The miners will just ship in from overseas

    Sucked shit kiddies, stick to mowing lawns!

  311. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 1:12 pm

    “Astounding observations … chuck shit into the air”

    CO2 is actually plant food. Apparently coal came from plants so we are just returning what was formed from plants.

    “If you are preconceived to scientific studie
    s”

    Well studies from 1950’s said one thing. Studies from 2010 say something else. I wonder what scientific studies from 2050 will say.

    What the results say is that preconceived ideas effect the results. Scientists are just as corrupt as anybody.

  312. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 1:18 pm

    ‘chuck shit into the air from digging to burning and that is better than solar or wind energy’

    From a commercial perspective that is correct.

  313. August 8, 2014 1:22 pm

    Please Tell me Squeal does not lecture at a Uni FFS…

    1950…………2014

    Preconceived idea’s.. 🙄 ROTFL Sqweal is in fact a Moron…

    Cmon Egg, Elgordo it’s you fucking around… init…NOS is your shit string nom de plume..

    nobody could possibly be this dimwitted, thick short planked, box of nails. bone head brain dead stupid… 😯

  314. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 2:07 pm

    “Astounding observations … chuck shit into the air from digging to burning and that is better than solar or wind energy … thick as shit … ”

    Thinking that every single country/economy has the same economic advantages and disadvantages as every other (your fairyland of “level playing field) is what is actually”having a head full of shit.

    Plainly they don’t and every economy operates on the basis of what its particular economic advantages are.

    Thinking otherwise is the usual Leftwing crap.

    As an example do you think Germany would import gas if it already had adequate supplies ?Of course not. Australia has an advantage in cheap energy.

    Germany’s advantage over us as an example is its access at lower transport costs to major markets. Not to mention it is now starting to return to fossil fuels and nuclear.

    Trying to explain that time and again to a economic simpleton is very monotonous.

    Thick as shit !

  315. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 2:28 pm

    ‘Thick as shit !’

    Its not his portfolio, but he’d be good in defence. Saw Missy last night and she reckons this strike fighter is old technology … drones are the future.

    Its true the Germans have thrown in the towel, while the Japanese have decided to push ahead with nuclear and pronto.

  316. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 2:38 pm

    ‘Cmon Egg, Elgordo it’s you fucking around… init…NOS is your shit string nom de plume..’

    Neil has his own thing The Howard Years, which I find very comforting. The only thing we have in common is that we are both straight men.

    By comparison I’m doing parody with my global cooling meme, which is still ahead of its time. Been trying it out at sceptic blogs but get no laughs, tough gigs.

  317. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 2:44 pm

    Trying to explain that time and again to a economic simpleton is very monotonous.

    Forget about me, try explaining it to Alan kohler

    By the way, it makes little difference to exports whether we have a free trade agreement (FTA) with another country or not, although it does cut 5 per cent from the cars imported from that country into Australia.

    Australia has an FTA with Thailand. The Ford Territory, which costs between $39,990 and $62,740 in Australia, costs around $100,000 in Thailand. The equivalent locally made car in Thailand costs $35,000.

    The main reason for the difference is an internal excise tax which gets around the FTA. There’s also a tax rebate for first car buyers that only applies to cars built in Thailand.

    Australia also has an FTA with Malaysia, but Australian manufacturers report they have no hope of selling cars in Malaysia because of arbitrary customs valuations and local content tax incentives.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/kohler-car-industry/5025360

  318. August 8, 2014 2:45 pm

    “we are both straight men”

    Now you and I both know that that’s not true.

  319. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 2:49 pm

    Its true the Germans have thrown in the towel

    You’ll have to provide some evidence of that grodo. Just recently, they were gloating about a district that ran on 100% renewables for a period.

    I understand that fossils are making a small come back recently, but hat was to take up a drop in nuclear.

    On the automotive side, there is another reason the Germans are hard to compete with. When it comes to Engineering, they are the best. It’s as simple as that.

    What is sad is that, we used to be in the top mix, talent wise. We have now thrown that away for lawn mowing. 😦

  320. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 2:50 pm

    Now you and I both know that that’s not true.

    Do tell 😉

  321. August 8, 2014 2:53 pm

    I’ll let egg do ‘the telling…”

  322. August 8, 2014 2:57 pm

    Or should I say, I’ll give egg the first option to fess up.

  323. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 3:01 pm

    That could be interesting reb

    Cos you know that if egg says something, I always ask for a link 🙂

  324. August 8, 2014 3:14 pm

    😆

  325. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 3:22 pm

    Those days of gay abandon in Paddington were very exciting.

  326. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 3:26 pm

    Those days of gay abandon in Paddington were very exciting.

    You got link for that ❓ 😉

  327. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 3:28 pm

    No but I have this one on dirty stuff.

  328. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 3:48 pm

    No but I have this one on dirty stuff.

    I was kinda hoping it was one in the same 😦

  329. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 4:03 pm

    Sorry to disappoint.

  330. Top ofMelbourne permalink
    August 8, 2014 4:12 pm

    Eric Abetz shouldn’t be in the parliament, let alone the ministry. He’s a dill.

    Having unintelligent people spruik their discredited, redundant, narrow minded opinions is disgraceful. He’s a f**kwit who should be dismissed.

  331. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 8, 2014 4:16 pm

    That’s Tom. I’m using some writing recognition device

  332. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 5:02 pm

    Trying to explain that time and again to a economic simpleton is very monotonous.

    Thick as shit !

    Have you ever read any of my comments regarding alternative energies and Gen IV Nuclear plants … burns 96% of the plutonium compared to Gen II & III that burn only 10% … and the waste is not weapons grade …

    Plainly they don’t and every economy operates on the basis of what its particular economic advantages are.

    Gen IV plants can also burn thorium guess which economy has the most thorium available? And a vast amount of plutonium and lots of open plains and a low level of population nearly all in one spot?

    As for this …

    As an example do you think Germany would import gas if it already had adequate supplies ?Of course not. Australia has an advantage in cheap energy.

    Germany’s advantage over us as an example is its access at lower transport costs to major markets. Not to mention it is now starting to return to fossil fuels and nuclear.

    Having visited Germany recently I can assure you the roofs are covered across the country with solar panels! And Germany manufactures the best solar equipment in the world … guess what Oz should be doing …

    Trying to explain that time and again to a economic simpleton is very monotonous.

    And I’ve got a couple of bits of paper that says … no I’m not …

    And BTW, oh, economic genius …

    Sydney, 8 August (Argus) — Falling grid consumption and increased use of rooftop solar panels means no new power generation is required within the National Electricity Market (NEM) covering Australia’s eastern states.

    The NEM has surplus capacity of 7,500MW based on electricity demand for the 2014-15 fiscal year ending 30 June, according to the latest annual Electricity Statement of Opportunities (ESOO) by the Australian Energy Market Operator (Aemo). This equates to about 15pc of installed capacity of 50,289MW based on Aemo estimates. The combination of surplus capacity and the lack of demand for new generation capacity reduces demand for new gas-fired or coal-fired power plants.

    http://www.argusmedia.com/News/Article?id=920588

    You must be spending too much time out in that park you keep mentioning … 🙂

  333. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 5:03 pm

    Having unintelligent people spruik their discredited, redundant, narrow minded opinions is disgraceful.
    …….
    That’s Tom. I’m using some writing recognition device

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that 😉

  334. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 5:06 pm

    That’s Tom. I’m using some writing recognition device

    thotz th lacy waa top …

  335. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 5:09 pm

  336. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 5:16 pm

    “Have you ever read any of my comments regarding alternative energies and Gen IV Nuclear plants … burns 96% of the plutonium compared to Gen II & III that burn only 10% …””

    Only in your Cloud Cuckoo land would the Greens allow that.

  337. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 5:27 pm

    ‘Only in your Cloud Cuckoo land would the Greens allow that.’

    Yep, it won’t be on the agenda for the foreseeable future.

  338. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 5:36 pm

    “Yep, it won’t be on the agenda for the foreseeable future.”

    Yep Egg,

    Leftie Extremists are quite amusing with their perfect World view with their insane models of perfection.

    Cuckoo………………….Cuckoo…………………!

  339. August 8, 2014 5:46 pm

    I was going to ask you to come clean but …. I’m hiding since walrus is going nuclear

    Dont do a Hawkey and sugest we drop it in the big Black holes left by all the fiberal finance corporations :shock

    Where do ya stick it…?
    Or was that Egg coming clean….

    Sorry carry on… G&T @ 4pm celebrating an offshore win for outsourced Aussie content here 🙂

  340. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 5:55 pm

    ‘Or was that Egg coming clean….’

    Baseload is safe for a decade, so no need for nuclear on Abbott’s watch.

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:10 pm

    Only in your Cloud Cuckoo land would the Greens allow that.

    Why would I GAFF about the Green’s agenda

    Leftie Extremists are quite amusing with their perfect World view with their insane models of perfection.

    “Leftie Extremists” … WTF are you sniffin’ these days?

    Or is it all that stalkin’ and raping finally unhinged you …

    No! You’ve finally ended up with STD or, STI it’s called today I think …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Baseload is safe for a decade, so no need for nuclear on Abbott’s watch.

    LOL! Your only saying that ’cause you read my above … you’re just a fkn “mirror” … shiny on the outside and nothing behind …

    My daughter has just purchased six of your grown up cousins, egg … she lives next door … six, fresh, scrambled eggs yesterday … mmm … mm …

  342. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:11 pm

    KL (August 8, 2014 5:09 pm )

    Chuckle … 🙂

  343. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:16 pm

    ‘shiny on the outside and nothing behind …’

    That’s a bit harsh.

    I’m hiding my light under a bushel, unable to safely reply in fear of temporary banishment, but don’t let me interrupt you.

  344. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:19 pm

    I must admit I do catch the odd STI every now and then

    https://au.finance.yahoo.com/q?p=finance.yahoo.com&s=%5ESTI

  345. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:20 pm

    … but don’t let me interrupt you.

    Interrupt me? … FFS … if nobody else here commented you’d be speechless … chuckle …

  346. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:21 pm

    And on a serious note, Walter, the markets been peeing itself for the last three days!

    I might have to request more pension!

  347. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:27 pm

    Is this a sign of deflation?

    ‘THE Reserve Bank of Australia has lowered its forecasts for both inflation and GDP growth while saying it sees no imminent change to the record low cash rate, which the RBA held at 2.5 per cent for the 12th consecutive month earlier this week.’

    Neems / Oz

  348. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:30 pm

    TB

    If you cant stand the volatility the share market is not a place to be.

    Hopefully the Ukraine will turn into a full blown nuclear war so my Newcrest Gold shares will get back to $15 at least (LOL). But hey everyone buys a Dog at least once.

  349. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:36 pm

    To answer my own question : ‘Deflation occurs when the inflation rate falls below 0%’

  350. Meta permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:39 pm

    (Speaking of going rouge, Operation Free Market, and tit-for-tat fallout, has Julie Bishop considered upping the assistance package for farmers, to ensure continuity of employment for backpackers from Eastern Europe and Tasmania, in affected industries; and maybe some honourable minisubs could and should be ordered from our pacific partners by David Johnson, to patrol the safe Harbour of Sydney?)

  351. August 8, 2014 6:41 pm

    In other news.. Terrorgraph Editor is to Journalism what Ivan Milat or Scott bloody hell morrison was to tourism. Cocky without the Y

    http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/the-daily-telegraph-editor-paul-whittaker-sorry-for-putting-mike-carltons-head-on-boston-bombing-victims-body-20140808-101y6c.html

  352. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 7:15 pm

    If you cant stand the volatility the share market is not a place to be.

    Did I say that? Shakes head once again … one should never assume …

  353. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 7:22 pm

    Terrorgraph Editor is to Journalism what Ivan Milat or Scott bloody hell morrison was to tourism. Cocky without the Y

    So will Paul Whittaker resign now as Carlton did? Not on your Nellie!

    What happened to journos being apolitical?

    Oh, that right – extreme right, RUPERT FUCKING MURDOCH!

    If he has US citizenship let him fiddle with himself there not here!

    The Poms have had enough of him … and so have the Septics …

  354. Yom ofMelbourne permalink
    August 8, 2014 7:29 pm

    That’s funny AO – Major Tom makes sense. The middle ages invented some great heroics and superstitions. Just what we’re lacking these days.

  355. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 7:53 pm

    Well it looks like the people on The Project vote Labor.

    Strange people Labor voters. They seem to spend most of their lives trying to show how morally superior they are and trying to trap people who they believe are morally inferior.

    I am sure many ALP politicians have strange beliefs as well but the media seems to spend most of its time trying to trap Coalition politicians. It is getting easy to tell which political party a TV interviewer or journalist votes for. You can tell by the way they spin the story.

    “What happened to journos being apolitical?

    Exactly. Look at the ABC and compare the way they interview a Coalition politician compared to an ALP politician.

    And you can tell Labor voters a mile away. Anything they disagree with is extreme right according to them.

  356. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 7:56 pm

    ‘the media seems to spend most of its time trying to trap Coalition politicians.’

    And rightly so, they should be made a laughing stock if they show stupid bias. Abetz is a dill and the leader pulled him into line.

  357. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:00 pm

    ‘has Julie Bishop considered upping the assistance package for farmers’

    Unlikely, the Chinese will snap up everything we’ve got to spare. You may have heard that a fifth of the Middle Kingdom’s arable land has been polluted by factory output.

  358. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:16 pm

    “And rightly so, they should be made a laughing stock if they show stupid bias. Abetz is a dill and the leader pulled him into line”

    OK but as long as they do it for both sides. Haven’t you noticed the difference between the way the ABC conducts an interview with a Coalition politician compared with an ALP politician?

    The ABC goes for the jugular when interviewing a Coalition politician but generally gives an easy time for the ALP politician.

  359. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:28 pm

    Aunty’s journalists become emotional because they have a left wing bias, nevertheless Ministers and Coalition politicians must be above reproach to ward off criticism, and deserve to be savaged if they are stoopid.

  360. armchair opionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:28 pm

  361. armchair opionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:39 pm

  362. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:46 pm

    By the way what did Abetz actually say?

    If he said there was a link between abortion and cancer published in the scientific literature he would be correct. Once again the first sentence from the Abstract that AO linked to.

    Studies suggesting a positive association between pregnancy termination and breast cancer risk have often been of retrospective case-control design, so subject to selection and recall biases

    So 1950’s studies show a link. But recent studies show a different result. The study finishes with this sentence

    “suggesting a protective effect of terminated pregnancy among women with one live birth.”

    So studies have been done and show a link. However results from the 1950’s show a different result to more recent studies suggesting that preconceived bias determines what result you get.

    Same goes for AGW. Most of the scientists studying global warming actually believe in it and spend most of the time looking for results to back up their faith overlooking results which go against the faith.

  363. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:16 pm

    They should think before opening their mouths, Cred won’t stand for them saying what they think. Abetz said what he did because of preconceived notions based on flawed science, pathetic.

  364. August 8, 2014 9:22 pm

    Fuck off Squeal you are as usual arguing the indefensible…
    Scientific fact abortion does not lead or promote breast cancer.. that is a myth purported by immoral lying sycophants like you. Show me peer reviewed science or forever take the fiberal member in your willing subservient back passage…..

    Seriously? Iptrace shaming… 🙂

    In appointing Brandis Minister for the arts much like appointing himself minister for women these radical teabag godbotherer’s forget that arts academia is a numbers game. You must be exceptional to rise to the top… below the top 10% and you are not on the radar…

    Where is Abbotts seeds work in the mainstream? … those who are

  365. August 8, 2014 9:23 pm

    Totally agree Egg.. cudos 🙂

  366. Tony permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:35 pm

    #cudos #gotiges

  367. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:38 pm

    Yes but what did he actually say? I am actually not defending anything

    If he said that 1950’s papers showed a link that would be true.

    If he said more recent results showed a link that would also be true.

    But the more recent results show the opposite result to the older studies.

    All of the above is true so what is the problem?

  368. Tony permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:40 pm

    #thelibshavelosttheplot #wtf #rusrious?

  369. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:42 pm

    Are you referring to me Tony?

  370. Tony permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:45 pm

    No Neil. I’m referring to the shambolic Liberal party. WTF is going on there???

    (And also the (AFL) footy, which you Sydneysiders don’t usually appreciate.)

  371. Tony permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:47 pm

    Plus the vodka.

  372. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:54 pm

    Good now back on topic.

    What the abortion/cancer stuff shows is that scientists are no different to anybody else. You can tell Ricky is an ALP voter because he put words into my mouth. I am not defending anything

    What i find interesting is that what people believed in 1950 led to a certain result. Changing beliefs have now lead to a different result. But scientific results should be independent of peoples beliefs but that obviously is not true.

  373. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 9:56 pm

    I was watching a couple of Mexican teams playing on free to air, its a freewheeling and fast moving game, but who is the character running around in pink?

  374. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:11 pm

    “(And also the (AFL) footy, which you Sydneysiders don’t usually appreciate.)”

    Yes we do.

    When the Swans are winning .

    I agree ToSy

    The ALP were reckless and could not sell any policies

    The LNP are not reckless and cannot sell any policies

    The ASIO guy gave a press conference today on the metadata issue. He should have been rolled out on Day 1 as he explained it better than any minister .

  375. armchair opionator permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:14 pm

    “…Changing beliefs have now lead to a different result. But scientific results should be independent of peoples beliefs but that obviously is not true…”

    They are independent results which is why they have such a rigorous process. They don’t just ‘believe’ something on faith like religious nut jobs or partisan political barrackers.

    The paper you are quoting is paraded in a pro life & anti abortion conference of religious zealots, it doesn’t get reviewed in any cancer conferences – ever think why?

    I certainly hope the pollies attending are going on their own coin not the taxpayer’s. Personal religious belief and pseudo science should not be funded from the public purse.

  376. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:36 pm

    “They are independent results which is why they have such a rigorous process. They don’t just ‘believe’ something on faith like religious nut jobs or partisan political barrackers.”

    Unfortunately that is not true. What you believe affects the results. If you believe the planet is heating up and you find some area of the world cooling, a believing scientist will not publish that result because it cannot be true or must be an anomaly.

    The paper i am quoting was in a link you provided at 9.18AM.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15095312/

    It is from 2004. First sentence clearly states a positive link in the older studies but in the newer study they find a negative link.

    And you said this

    As any woman who has had breast cancer knows, pregnancy and elevated hormones feed breast cancer, which is why women with BC are advised to have an abortion if pregnant (as well as the need to commence cytotoxic meds).”

    So there is a link between BC and pregnancy.

  377. August 9, 2014 12:02 am

    Yes but what did he actually say?

    I’ll tell ya…
    Here it is…..

    Because you are obviously to lazy and pathetically inept to justify your obvious stupid barracking for this dickwad…

    Here is Abets being completely clueless defending a speaker for a religious hate group that he endorses..
    irrespective of scientific evidence,
    irrespective of fact irrespective of the consensus of medical research.
    irrespective of scientific fact.

    He attacks Mia Freedman as “not qualified” ..cluelessly.saying I will leave it to the experts in a transparent display of insincere facile humility.

    He is obviously backpedaling in damage control when pressed on evidentiary fact, however at the taxpayers expense he will put on a soiree in his taxpayer funded office which I find highly offensive.

    For a government minister to engage with these religious hate proliferating , science hating moralist zealots is a national disgrace.

    If you have ant semblance of decency whatsoever Squeal sign our petition….

    https://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/australian-federal-government-victorian-state-government-stop-government-involvement-with-conference-that-endangers-women-and-lgbti-people
    ….

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/i-was-cut-off-eric-abetz-blames-mia-freedman-for-reports-he-linked-abortion-to-breast-cancer-on-the-project-20140808-101q9g.html

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/abetz-denies-abortion-cancer-link-views/story-fn3dxiwe-1227017515955

  378. August 9, 2014 12:40 am

    I agree with you Ricky

    DRY RETCHING NOW

    I don’t exactly know why Neil wants to die in a ditch over it

    But it is rather amusing

  379. August 9, 2014 12:42 am

    You’re paying for it…

  380. August 9, 2014 12:59 am

    Same Page Walrus 🙂

  381. egg permalink
    August 9, 2014 8:53 am

    ‘pseudo science should not be funded from the public purse.’

    Hear Hear

  382. Tom R permalink
    August 9, 2014 9:42 am

    Whoever could have imagined that abortion would become the “political plaything of men”

    It’s beyond parody.

  383. egg permalink
    August 9, 2014 9:59 am

    I’m inclined to agree.

  384. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 9, 2014 12:06 pm

    “I don’t exactly know why Neil wants to die in a ditch over it

    Maybe i should shut up instead of digging a hole for myself but i am not defending anybody.

    What i found interesting is how carefully conducted scientific research in the 1950’s gave one result. Carefully conducted research 50 years latter gave an opposite result.

    That should not happen right??

    The point i am trying to make is that scientists are as biased as anyone and their beliefs effect their results and conclusions.

    I am mainly leading to global warming science. I am sure many people go into it trying to prove global warming true. They find an area that is warming and publish the results. However next door the area may be cooling but they don’t publish that result because it goes against their beliefs and may effect future grant funding.

    It is possible to selectively pick certain results, leave out others. I think Science can only disprove something but it cannot prove something.

  385. egg permalink
    August 9, 2014 1:46 pm

    I thank the member for the dorothy dixer, but ….

  386. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 9, 2014 2:01 pm

    Not really egg.

    Most Socialists/ALP/Communists think Science is the absolute truth.

    Scientists are humans. Their human bias effects their results.

    In fifty years time i wonder what Scientists would find about the link between BC and abortion?

    I notice you said pseudo science should not be funded. What is your opinion of AGW?

    Is AGW pseudo science?

  387. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2014 2:13 pm

    No

  388. egg permalink
    August 9, 2014 2:35 pm

    No comment.

  389. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2014 2:50 pm

    “…And you said this
    “As any woman who has had breast cancer knows, pregnancy and elevated hormones feed breast cancer, which is why women with BC are advised to have an abortion if pregnant (as well as the need to commence cytotoxic meds).”
    So there is a link between BC and pregnancy…”

    No dipshit.
    Pregnancy hormones can influence a pre existing BC.
    Abortion has no link to BC at anytime and pregnancy does not link to BC either.
    Don’t bother with your bolt type misrepresentations and lies, you suck at it. If your version was correct the Drs would be advising women not to get pregnant as they might get BC as a public health issue. 🙄

  390. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 9, 2014 3:00 pm

    No dipshit.”

    A bit rude there AO. I said there was a link between pregnancy and BC based on what you said. I did not mention abortion. You said this

    As any woman who has had breast cancer knows, pregnancy and elevated hormones feed breast cancer, which is why women with BC are advised to have an abortion if pregnant (as well as the need to commence cytotoxic meds).”

    So there is a link between BC and pregnancy as YOU stated.

    You made the comment not me. YOU said pregnancy and elevated hormones feeds BC- not me.

    Did i misinterpret your comments?

  391. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2014 3:44 pm

    “…So there is a link between BC and pregnancy as YOU stated.
    You made the comment not me. YOU said pregnancy and elevated hormones feeds BC- not me.
    Did i misinterpret your comments?…”

    Yes you did, deliberately. There is no link between pregnancy & BC.
    BC is not caused by pregnancy (or abortion)
    A woman can be unlucky to be diagnosed with BC at the same time as she is pregnant or just after having a baby (1:3000 pregnancies)

    She was always going to develop the cancer. The problem is the effect of the natural hormones of pregnancy upon the cancer, it might grow more rapidly with the oestrogen and progesterone (if the cancer is made up of those receptors).

  392. August 9, 2014 4:46 pm

    A bit rude there AO

    AO you can’t put brains in a statute.. 🙄

    Obviously if this dick wad can’t figure out that we have made quantum leaps in science in the last 50 years in just about every discipline, he is quite simply a rusted on fucktard who considers everyone in the world that disagrees with his feeble chicken little minds blinkerd world view.. is corrupt…

    Correct me if I am mistaken AO but did they not find a genetic link to BC which constitutes part of the testing regime to define predisposition?

  393. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 9, 2014 5:01 pm

    Well Mr Abusive turns up

    In first year University they teach isaac newton and Calculus and that was from 300 years ago.

    1950 is not that long ago. Fact is what you believe is what you generally get.

    If you believe in global warming, guess what? That is what you will discover.

    If you believe the world is cooling, guess what? That is what you will discover.

    Ricky if i want anything from you it will be how to build a new detention center. Other than that you are totally useless.

  394. egg permalink
    August 9, 2014 5:43 pm

    ‘If you believe the world is cooling, guess what? That is what you will discover.’

    The science is not settled on that yet.

  395. August 9, 2014 8:01 pm

    “…Correct me if I am mistaken AO but did they not find a genetic link to BC which constitutes part of the testing regime to define predisposition?…”

    Exactly right ricky, the scientists have isolated the inherited BC gene and affected women can have life saving preventative surgery.
    The wonders of science and those wonderful scientists!

  396. August 9, 2014 10:00 pm

    Exactly right ricky, the scientists….

    Thanks AO and to think I didn’t even need to WIKI it. I have an incurable genetic disease and I remember when they were identifying genetic predisposition there was a similar breakthrough for my condition. No thanks to the Dog botherers Like Abbott and Abetz as my medication came from stem cell research.

    Well Mr Abusive turns up

    Yeah flat earth fucktard Squeal abuses the truth consistently with predictably repetitive inanity.

    In first year University they teach isaac newton and Calculus and that was from 300 years ago.

    Is there a point there? Abacus… Mainframe..micro.. nano (much like your brain) computing… They teach critical thinking too but you seem to have failed that subject abysmally. 🙄

    If you believe in global warming, guess what? That is what you will discover.
    If you believe the world is cooling, guess what? That is what you will discover.

    You really don’t get the whole critical thinking concept do you?
    The general idea of what is scientific is a bit lost on you..
    Hint.. it has nothing to do with belief, that bit comes latter 😯

    Ricky if i want anything from you it will be how to build a new detention center. Other than that you are totally useless.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is what an ignoramus says when they are shown for the simpleton flat earth fucktard they in fact are, a bunched panty childish slight irellivant to the topic ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    No wonder this weed whacking wombat is sticking up for that Nazi anti science dog botherer Abetz…..

  397. August 9, 2014 10:28 pm

    “…They teach critical thinking too but you seem to have failed that subject abysmally…”

    If you believe it then its true – the conservative brain at work!

  398. August 10, 2014 12:50 am

    “Well Mr Abusive turns up”

    Excuse me Neil but I think I’ve earned that monnicker thank you,

    LOL

    Although Ricky does have some talent nothing like moi .

  399. August 10, 2014 1:58 am

    With the greatest and utmost respect Wally
    Go fuck yourself 🙂 LOL

  400. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 9:06 am

    ‘The general idea of what is scientific is a bit lost on you.. Hint.. it has nothing to do with belief, that bit comes latter’

    Actually its a mixed bag.

    ‘The history of the hypothesis of climatic determinism illustrates the fundamental difference between Science and Social Science. A scientific hypothesis is validated by predictive success. Social Science hypotheses invalidate themselves, because humans react to the predictions and alter the outcome. The latter failure is due to something that cannot be quantified – free will.’

    Tim Ball

  401. August 10, 2014 9:27 am

    “Well Mr Abusive turns up”

    Don’t you mean “Mr Immoral Scum?”

  402. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2014 12:39 pm

    Eric Abetz is to medical science what George Brandis is to metadata

    and Kneel is to intelligent discourse …

  403. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2014 3:32 pm

    Egg at 9.06am

    That is what i was trying to say. People believe that Scientists are fearless seekers after truth. They are fallible humans like everybody else. Worse their job depends upon finding important stuff otherwise they may not get the next grant and become unemployed.

    By the way i was not sticking up for Abetz. I am saying that what people believed in the 1950’s affected their findings just like changing beliefs affected more recent findings.

    It is almost certain that a climate scientist who finds some area of the world cooling will not publish that result. It will go into the trash can. He will only publish results which show areas of the world warming and by the way send more money otherwise the world will fry.

    I think Science can only disprove something it cannot prove things however. Anyway that is my understanding

  404. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 3:35 pm

    ‘That is what i was trying to say.’

    Yeah.

  405. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 10, 2014 3:43 pm

    By the way Egg if some prominent Climate Scientists like Hanson found some area of the world cooling do you think he would publish that result?

    Scientists do pick and chose which results they will publish reflecting their own personal bias.

  406. August 10, 2014 4:24 pm

    “Anyway that is my understanding”

    Is that what you call it.

  407. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 4:54 pm

    ‘…do you think he would publish that result?’

    I really can’t say.

  408. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 5:21 pm

    ‘THE quarter-acre block in NSW is dead.’

    Daily Terror

  409. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 5:47 pm

    …I think Science can only disprove something it cannot prove things however. Anyway that is my understanding…

    Not so

    http://undsci.berkeley.edu/teaching/misconceptions.php#b10

    …Science is based on the principle that any idea, no matter how widely accepted today, could be overturned tomorrow if the evidence warranted it. Science accepts or rejects ideas based on the evidence; it does not prove or disprove them…

    Science does neither, it can’t prove or disprove something.

    Science is ever changing, according to research, fact and evidence which is why something that was accepted in the 1950’s can be seen as incorrect today, someone has brought new evidence to the issue.

    …Social Science hypotheses invalidate themselves, because humans react to the predictions and alter the outcome. The latter failure is due to something that cannot be quantified – free will…

    That would be wrong too, the so-called ‘soft sciences’ still have rigorous research processes.

    [from the same link]…Many psychology studies, for example, are carefully controlled, rely on large sample sizes, and are highly quantitative…

    And this:

    …By the way Egg if some prominent Climate Scientists like Hanson found some area of the world cooling do you think he would publish that result?…

    Of course he would, any climate scientist would love to challenge the consensus. They would become famous and wealthy overnight.
    So far…nothing. Egg’s mob will always try to muddy the waters and try to change public opinion due to vested interests at play, but a 97% consensus is pretty much proven at this point in time. Besides, the deniers have not put forward any research of their own, they only try to win the debate by creating a controversy.

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2014 5:55 pm

    By the way i was not sticking up for Abetz.

    Well it certainly sounds like … followed by the Liberal Backpedal dance, we are all becoming so familiar with …

    I am saying that what people believed in the 1950’s affected their findings just like changing beliefs affected more recent findings.

    And if research in the 21st Century refutes the original findings (with far more medical technology, statistical data and computer assistance) then I know what I would accept …

    See how useful it is not being encumbered with “beliefs” …

    You are familiar with the concept and practice of “peer review”, Kneel?

  411. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:01 pm

    ‘Besides, the deniers have not put forward any research of their own, they only try to win the debate by creating a controversy.’

    Hmmm ….

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:04 pm

    That would be wrong too, the so-called ‘soft sciences’ still have rigorous research processes.

    Absolutely! At the commencement of my degree (five years, part time, distance ed. and in service) we were presented with five statements that related to the “differences” between pedagogy (children) and androgogy (adult) learning … before I graduated I, and two other students had argued each statement and refuted four of them!

  413. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:04 pm

    I am saying that what people believed in the 1950’s affected their findings just like changing beliefs affected more recent findings.

    Belief does not come into it, only evidence.

  414. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:10 pm

    Egg’s mob will always try to muddy the waters and try to change public opinion …

    Being an agnostic on this subject as well as a supreme being … I must say that if a religious organisation were to inform me that the world would end on 25th December 2014 … I’d simply ignore the “message” … as I have for the last few decades …

    However …

    … if 97% of scientists qualified in that field told me that the end was due on the 25th … I’d start making some plans – or at least get pissed as a parrot and eat whatever the fk I wanted!

  415. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:11 pm

    Being an agnostic on this subject as well as a supreme being …

    Chuckle …

  416. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:15 pm

    Ibogaine is a wonderful drug, but collective wisdom says its not.

  417. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:19 pm

    Even the pollies have to “endure” peer review …

    Dump co-payment, Costello tells Hockey

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/hockeys-empathy-over-budget-questioned/story-e6frfku9-1227019436903

  418. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:21 pm

    ‘… if 97% of scientists qualified in that field told me that the end was due on the 25th … I’d start making some plans –’

    That would be foolish in the extreme, putting your faith in the high priests of science. You cannot remain agnostic forever, time won’t wait.

  419. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:21 pm

    me too TB, belief vs evidence!

  420. August 10, 2014 6:21 pm

    “Ibogaine is a wonderful drug, but collective wisdom says its not.”

    Obviously you knew that saying something like this would attract my attention.

    The thing about “collective wisdom” is that wisdom is seldom found in a collective.

  421. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:27 pm

    The thing about “collective wisdom” is that wisdom is seldom found in a collective.

    Yeah, ’cause the collective is actually only one …

  422. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:31 pm

    So, in one day … Andrew Bolt was nearly in tears over the Brandis 18c debacle this morning – poor, Andy, said he could have “a little cry”…

    … and now Costello telling Hockey to stop blubbering and get with it … wimp …

    I could just see, Hockey, at school, muscling kids’ lunch money, until some kid stood up to him and he whimpered off to his favourite teacher …

  423. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:41 pm

    Not particularly interested in gaining your attention. Medical science is going ahead in leaps and bounds, all good stuff, yet society rejects the use of Ibogaine.

    Where is the peer review? The point Neil was trying to make is that there is inherent bias and young academics will take the course of least resistance. If government offered grants it would be an entirely different outcome, but it would only be the start of a long process of cultural change.

    Alcohol kills 14 Australians every day and over 400 people are hospitalised, we desperately need a cure.

  424. Overnight Ostracism permalink
    August 10, 2014 6:52 pm

    “Of course he would, any climate scientist would love to challenge the consensus. They would become famous and wealthy overnight.”

    Not really. All dissenting scientists so far have been ostracised and demonised .

  425. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 7:03 pm

    Not really. All dissenting scientists so far have been ostracised and demonised

    there’s not many of them – 3%

    They have obviously not produced any worthy evidence to challenge the consensus.

  426. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 7:10 pm

    ‘there’s not many of them – 3%’

    Your ignorance and arrogance is stifling.

  427. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 7:12 pm

    If government offered grants it would be an entirely different outcome, but it would only be the start of a long process of cultural change.

    Why does the government have to offer taxpayer funding, what’s wrong with private enterprise paying for something that would benefit society?

    Alcohol kills 14 Australians every day and over 400 people are hospitalised, we desperately need a cure.

    Self inflicted harm doesn’t exactly warrant urgent research like other killer diseases.

    We could stop promoting a booze nation, stop treating alcohol abuse as ‘normal’ from cradle to grave.

  428. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 7:41 pm

    ‘Self inflicted harm doesn’t exactly warrant urgent research like other killer diseases.’

    There are subsidised drugs on the market for those who are eating themselves to death.

  429. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 7:47 pm

    There are subsidised drugs for alcoholics too.

  430. August 10, 2014 7:56 pm

    Egg, I don’t know whether you’re just some troll seeking attention for feigned controversial opinions – or just an abject nutter – but the fact that you masquerade as a male on this blog, when you are in fact a woman leads me to believe the former.

    Given that most people on this blog present themselves and their opinions in a reasonably honest way, leads to me believe that all you’re really interested in is creating a fuss for your own entertainment at the expense of the good intentions of others.

    So I’ll give you one last chance to fess up…

    It runs out in about sixty seconds.

  431. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 8:09 pm

    …but the fact that you masquerade as a male on this blog, when you are in fact a woman leads me to believe the former…

    why??

  432. August 10, 2014 8:12 pm

    Why indeed AO….

  433. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 8:25 pm

    …That would be foolish in the extreme, putting your faith in the high priests of science. You cannot remain agnostic forever, time won’t wait…

    Smells like religion. the only people who seem to scoff at the achievements of scientific endeavour are the religious, those who think that faith in a magic dog is all that is needed. Scientists expose the irrational worldview.

  434. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 8:28 pm

    hmmm, might think about that a bit reb.

    Egg, I don’t know whether you’re just some troll seeking attention for feigned controversial opinions – or just an abject nutter

    They may not be exclusive, perhaps both?

  435. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2014 8:31 pm

    I masquerade as a difficult, argumentative, union objecting, red wine loving, womanising, middle aged surfing type. Of course nothing could be further from the truth!

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    August 10, 2014 8:32 pm

    but the fact that you masquerade as a male on this blog, when you are in fact a woman

    I recall that being discussed when egg turned up ….

  437. August 10, 2014 8:34 pm

    True AO, they’re not mutually exclusive, but I’m a bit tired of them trolling comments that are purely aimed at self attention or derailing threads.

    We all know that Neil of Sydney is a nutter, but at least he’s consistent.

    Egg on the other is not being entirely honest with her representations or opinions…

    Especially when she pretends to be a man.

  438. August 10, 2014 8:36 pm

    “I masquerade as a difficult, argumentative, union objecting, red wine loving, womanising, middle aged surfing type…

    Who knew.

  439. August 10, 2014 8:42 pm

    To be clear,

    People on this blog are perfectly entitled to their anonymity which I respect absolutely. However when people masquerade to be something that they’re not at the expense of others who participate in good faith, then I have a problem with that.

    In short, you’re not welcome, so fuck off.

  440. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 8:53 pm

    that brings me to a dialogue in ‘orange is the new black’ one of the female prison managers discussing the black transgender woman requesting her hormones.

    “Why would he want to be a woman? It’s like winning the lottery and giving the ticket back”

  441. August 10, 2014 8:56 pm

    Do tell AO…

    Sounds interesting.

  442. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 9:03 pm

    ‘Especially when she pretends to be a man.’

    I am a male homo sapien, but my mother called me a black sheep. Reb its a works computer, the person you see under the bonnet is not me.

  443. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 10, 2014 9:05 pm

    Well, I bet TB is masquerading as a cheap wine drinking, polyester suit and velcro shoe wearing old duffer, when in fact he probably drinks decent wine from time to time.

  444. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 9:05 pm

    here ya go reb

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2372162/

    Piper goes to prison for a crime committed 10 yrs ago [statute of limitations is 12 yrs]. She was in a lesbian relationship at the time of the crime, but she is now engaged to her male boyfriend. She is college educated and cultured compared to the other [mostly black or hispanic] inmates. Orange is the colour of the prison garb that newbies wear for a couple of weeks.

  445. August 10, 2014 9:06 pm

    “the person you see under the bonnet is not me.”

    I need some convincing.

  446. August 10, 2014 9:08 pm

    Thanks AO that look’s like my kind of movie…

  447. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 9:11 pm

    How can you tell gender by a computer ip address? I don’t profess to be computer literate [as you can probably tell!]

    ‘Especially when she pretends to be a man.’

    I thought the pretence was always saying she was a lefty when all her comments [and supporters] were mainstream wingnut.

  448. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 9:16 pm

    Thanks AO that look’s like my kind of movie…

    it’s a series

    download here [hope i don’t go to jail too, delete if you need to 🙂 ]

    http://eztv.it/shows/865/orange-is-the-new-black/

    http://eztv.it/

  449. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 10, 2014 9:40 pm

    When gillard had to negotiate, it was all lies and female deceit.

    It’s all different for the blue tie brigade

    Christopher Pyne says ‘all or nothing’ stance will not work in Senate:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/10/christopher-pyne-says-all-or-nothing-stance-will-not-work-in-senate

    …The education minister, Christopher Pyne, who faces a fight to secure his higher education package in light of opposition from Labor, the Greens and the Palmer United party (PUP), said he subscribed to the maxim of John Howard “that 80% of something is better than 0% of nothing”.

    “We are going to try and get as much as we can through the Senate … recognising that we don’t have a majority in the Senate. That doesn’t mean a retreat; it doesn’t mean a backdown. It is a simple realistic understanding that we don’t have the numbers in the Senate,” Pyne told Sky News on Sunday…

  450. egg permalink
    August 10, 2014 10:23 pm

    ‘I need some convincing.’

    Fuck you.

  451. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 11, 2014 6:33 am

    When gillard had to negotiate, it was all lies and female deceit.

    It’s all different for the blue tie brigade”

    I don’t think that is true. Gillard did successfully negotiate to form minority govt with the Greens and Independents. Once that happened Gillard had the numbers to get any legislation through both houses of parliament.

  452. egg permalink
    August 11, 2014 8:21 am

    IPA finds a real pug.

    ‘THE fight to champion free speech will be taken up by Family First senator Bob Day, ensuring changes to race-hate laws stay firmly on the political agenda.

    ‘Senator Day has revealed he will introduce a private senator’s bill as soon as possible to remove what he describes as “chilling” restrictions on free speech after Tony Abbott this week abandoned plans to rework section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act.’

    Stefanie Balogh / Oz

  453. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2014 9:13 am

    “it was all lies and female Unionland deceit”

    Unfortunately it only gets worse now “Two Knives” Shorten has taken over as the Unionland Don.

  454. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 11:03 am

    Protecting your privacy: Our stand against ‘mandatory data retention’
    http://blog.iinet.net.au/protecting-your-privacy/

    Police say “If you have nothing to hide, then you shouldn’t be worried”. Personally I think that if you follow that dubious logic, we’d all be walking around naked. It’s not about being worried, or wanting to ‘hide’ anything. It’s about the right to decide what you keep private and what you allow to be shared…
    …Experts in the US have some equally frightening things to say about metadata. According to NSA General Counsel Stewart Baker, “…metadata absolutely tells you everything about somebody’s life.” General Michael Hayden, former director of the NSA and the CIA, called Baker’s comment “absolutely correct,” and frighteningly asserted, “We kill people based on metadata.”…

    Deviant and Proud:
    http://www.monbiot.com/2014/08/05/deviant-and-proud/

    …Do you feel left out? Perhaps it’s because you refuse to succumb to the competition, envy and fear neoliberalism breeds…

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/unholy-alliance-the-world-congress-of-families-and-australias-far-right-politicians,6735

    Why is it always members of the Far Right who are the anti-abortionists and climate crazies?

  455. August 11, 2014 11:04 am

    I think Science can only disprove something it cannot prove things however. Anyway that is my understanding

    However Anyway…Hang on for a second.. let me just get my head around how imbecilic that statement is 🙄

    Its any wonder this moron says the things he does with a stupendously idiotic statement of gargantuan ignorance like that?. Between that and anyone who disagrees with chicken little’s brain blinkered viewpoint is corrupt, its impossible to disprove evolution eluded some people.

    If these are the brain injured meme’s of rusted wingnuts that barrack for the likes of Abetz Brandis, Hunt Pyne and Abbott
    Sigh for humanity Australia is doomed.. 😯

  456. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 11:17 am

    The Defence Trade Controls Act is an Attack on the Rights and Freedoms of Australians:
    http://victimsofdsto.com/dsubcom/#rights

  457. August 11, 2014 11:18 am

    Abject Nutter, Woman, Hood Lifter, Attention seeker, derailleur,denier, deluded
    All irrefutably so
    Entertaining ..Not

    EGG and NOS are the same penisless bitch I tells ya.

    AO and REB.. watched both seasons of OITNB and It was mildly engaging yet titillating but overall lightweight. Its a not have to think too much series, which is OK sometimes.

  458. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 11:27 am

    Well, I bet TB is masquerading as a cheap wine drinking, polyester suit and velcro shoe wearing old duffer, when in fact he probably drinks decent wine from time to time.

    You can fuck off too ToM … :mrgreen:

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Protecting your privacy: Our stand against ‘mandatory data retention’

    And we all know how well personal/medical records are maintained by organisations large and small … private and government …

    We occasionally get letter-drops here with address information that can only come from the electoral roll … 🙄

    Why is it always members of the Far Right who are the anti-abortionists and climate crazies?

    And accuse anyone who isn’t right wing of being a communist and wanting to control the population … actions speak louder than words any day …

    I predicted a return to the JBP jackboot state when Sir Noddy & the Nitwits took over and that’s exactly what we got …

    The Feds are a pretty close second … don’t know how the other states are faring …

    Abbott would join a conflict tomorrow … any conflict … (“look at me” syndrome)

    … but I suspect he’s been told that the ADF (and their families) is tired, after 12 years in Afghanisatan* and experienced diggers are discharging in droves … and they are having some difficulty recruiting … perhaps Abbott’s children could get a scholarship to Duntroon?

    *typo but appropriate …

  459. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 11:28 am

    …I don’t think that is true. Gillard did successfully negotiate to form minority govt with the Greens and Independents. Once that happened Gillard had the numbers to get any legislation through both houses of parliament…

    Gillard had a minority govt, abbott does not. She had to negotiate all legislation, while abbott was opposing everything he could to get himself a headline and make her govt look incompetent. Abbott wants to ram everything through and expects a yabber about ‘mandate’ gives him authority to throw everyone to the jackals. He even has his business mates creating govt policy!
    Who voted for big business? Did you see any of them on your election paper?

    Abbott doesn’t ‘get’ negotiation, he will though.

  460. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 11:32 am

    AO and REB.. watched both seasons of OITNB and It was mildly engaging yet titillating but overall lightweight. Its a not have to think too much series, which is OK sometimes.

    agree ricky, has it’s humorous moments, but is quite unrealistic and does it seek to glamourise jail to you? Bit of soft porn disguised as entertainment.

  461. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2014 11:32 am

    However Anyway…Hang on for a second.. let me just get my head around how imbecilic that statement is”

    You probably should start with Popper:

    Philosophers, such as Karl R. Popper, have provided influential theories of the scientific method within which scientific evidence plays a central role. In summary, Popper provides that a scientist creatively develops a theory which may be falsified by testing the theory against evidence or known facts. Popper’s theory presents an asymmetry in that evidence can prove a theory wrong, by establishing facts that are inconsistent with the theory. In contrast, evidence cannot prove a theory correct because other evidence, yet to be discovered, may exist that is inconsistent with the theory.

  462. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 11:35 am

    The Defence Trade Controls Act is an Attack on the Rights and Freedoms of Australians:

    That’s “wartime” legislation, KL … are we at war with someone? Yet?

    Is there something we are not being told?

    I have always bemoaned the fact that every generation in my family that I knew/know personally (ie from grandparents to grand children) – apart from my grandchildren have been involved one way or another in wars/UN actions …

    I have always hoped my grandchildren would be the first of many generations …

    Abbott is just as much a sabre rattler as Putin – make no mistake …

  463. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 11:41 am

    In contrast, evidence cannot prove a theory correct because other evidence, yet to be discovered, may exist that is inconsistent with the theory.

    This has a high impact on “future modelling” … one reason for my agnosticism regarding CC … crystal ball or computers, neither can really see into the future …

    And a gentleman named Hawking will testify to that …

    Just sayin’ …

  464. egg permalink
    August 11, 2014 11:45 am

    I like Popper.

    ‘other evidence, yet to be discovered, may exist that is inconsistent with the theory.’

    This is true in every field of human endeavour.

  465. August 11, 2014 12:13 pm

    “Well, I bet TB is masquerading as a cheap wine drinking, polyester suit and velcro shoe wearing old duffer, when in fact he probably drinks decent wine from time to time.”

    LOL…. “from time to time” being key operatives (ie Christmas or the birth of a new born)..

    Mind you, we have to keep in mind that TB’s idea of a “decent wine” is McGuigans Black Label Merlot…… 😯

  466. August 11, 2014 12:23 pm

    Yeah thats all very good and we all know about Popper but that is more about the psychology of human behavioral science, in itself, notwithstanding an agenda based pursuit.

    This assumption that all Science is not an organic and creative process driven by logic to establish and build fact and not agenda in both solving problems and innovating conceptual constructs is in itself counter intuitive and corrupt

    Proof of this is Egg….she is right onto it attaching her agenda to this idea that science is corrupt because she is envious of when she does not accept or understand preferring to derail than accept scientific consensus.

    or her other Moniker NOS..science is corrupt..everyone who I disagree with is immoral..

  467. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 12:32 pm

    There’s clarifications, and there’s CLARIFICATIONS!! And then there’s Paul Sheehan, where Israeli propaganda has found a home:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/08/11/paul-sheehans-claytons-clarification-gaza-booby-trap

    The saga around the Whitehouse Institute of Design’s secret $60,000 scholarship has taken yet another twist:

    Whitehouse Awarded Aboriginal Scholarship To Course That Never Ran:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/08/10/whitehouse-awarded-aboriginal-scholarship-course-never-ran

  468. August 11, 2014 12:33 pm

    “Proof of this is Egg….she is right onto it attaching her agenda to this idea that science is corrupt because she is envious of when she does not accept or understand preferring to derail than accept scientific consensus.”

    EXACTLY! She’s just a troll really…

  469. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 12:41 pm

    Liberal party shonks. They spend all their time and effort in creating trickery and spin to try and fool people by circumventing their weaknesses [lies]. These people have far too much time and money available.

    Busted: Hapless Libs Abandon A Murky ‘Web Of Lies’:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/08/11/busted-hapless-libs-abandon-murky-web-lies

    …The sites were no longer re-directing this morning – overnight, someone from the Liberal Party probably read a tweet from Opposition leader Bill Shorten yesterday, which seized on the Liberal gaffe, posting on twitter “no matter if you visit abbottlies.com.au or abbottslies.com.au, all you’ll get is @TonyAbbottMHR’s lies”.

    “On the very night when Tony Abbott was breaking all his promises, the Liberal party was buying these websites,” Shorten told the Guardian…

    Really, why would you bother?

  470. egg permalink
    August 11, 2014 1:00 pm

    ‘science is corrupt’

    Only AGW science.

    The Hadron Collider is an expensive theory, but worth the effort. Also landing a small vehicle on a comet, to understand where earth got its oceans from, is of immense interest.

    Other theories have been falsified, but the knowledge gained is always useful in the search for the null hypothesis.

  471. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 1:11 pm

    EXACTLY! She’s just a troll really…

    A paid troll, a professional astroturfer? Who else can spend every day, year after year, dropping denier propaganda and never, ever get tired of it.

    http://johnquiggin.com/2010/10/02/weekend-reflections-171/#comment-140038

  472. Tony permalink
    August 11, 2014 1:20 pm

    I don’t agree with disclosing personal details of anonymous blog commenters, regardless how belligerent they be. That’s something Miglo did, to the same commenter. I didn’t like it then and I don’t like it now.

  473. August 11, 2014 1:27 pm

    “and I don’t like it now.”

    I think there’s a massive difference between disclosing someone’s personal details/identity online against accusing someone of lying about their gender.

  474. August 11, 2014 1:30 pm

    In addition, it’s perfectly understandable and acceptable if someone wishes for their gender to remain undetermined, but when someone deliberately falsely portrays their gender to be one thing when in fact it’s another, then they open themselves up for scrutiny of that misrepresentation.

  475. egg permalink
    August 11, 2014 1:35 pm

    For the last time, I am a man. I admit at times I may sound like a beautiful young woman, but that is purely coincidence.

  476. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 1:52 pm

    McGuigans Black Label Merlot

    Mmmmm …

    Speaking of wine prices … The Minister (and I) have decide we prefer the taste of Mumm to Moët and just picked up (another) dozen for $36 @ Uncle Dan’s … if you like cider the Magners Irish cider is an online only special @ $49.90 a 12 bot. case (usually about $80) and the bottles are one pint (568ml) … and the day after I ordered a dozen WT @$36.90 the bastards reduced even further to $36!

    Not that I drink much …

  477. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 1:59 pm

    Just checked ….

    http://www.abbottslies.com.au/

    Kneel will love this site …

  478. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 2:04 pm

    Nicked from the comments @ sreb’s, link @ August 11, 2014 1:13 pm

    GraemeHenchel GraemeHenchel

    11 August 2014 4:44am

    Can I suggest a song for the show.

    We’re team Australia
    We’ll never fail ya
    Nothing we say is true
    We’re team Australia
    We’ll never fail ya
    excepting when we do
    We’re team Australia
    We’ll never fail ya
    We sucked you in real bad
    We’re team Australia
    We’ll never fail ya
    We’re all stark raving mad

  479. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 2:06 pm

    For the last time, I am a man. I admit at times I may sound like a beautiful young woman, but that is purely coincidence.

    Yer actually a fkn yolk, egg … 😆

  480. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 11, 2014 2:33 pm

    Why is everyone picking on egg? S/he makes lots of good and interesting comments. Everyone is entitled to a little mystique.

    Egg has always been more than a woman to me:

  481. August 11, 2014 2:35 pm

    Has Science lost the Plot…..me at the Science poetry slam

  482. August 11, 2014 2:44 pm

    “Why is everyone picking on egg? S/he makes lots of good and interesting comments. Everyone is entitled to a little mystique.”

    Fair enough…

    http://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing/frank-maloney-i-was-born-in-the-wrong-body-and-i-have-always-known-i-was-a-woman/story-fndkzthy-1227019861407

  483. Tony permalink
    August 11, 2014 2:46 pm

    Ricky, you sound like a girl. 😯

  484. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 2:47 pm

    Ricky, you sound like a girl.

    Tea anyone … 🙂

  485. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 2:54 pm

    Fair enough…

    Fair enough too, I reckon … so egg’s transgender?

  486. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2014 2:54 pm

    It’s a difficult balance, El Gordo obviously has an online persona and that may not be consistent with the person (s)he is in real life. I don’t think I’ve got a particular view one way or the other. I suppose I’m a little more ambivalent because (s)he doesn’t badger me. It’s obviously annoying to some other contributors that I have plenty of time for.

    I agree with one point though, the standards reb observes here are very, very different to those that applied elsewhere.

    But it’s best I own up to one thing… it concerns Fifi and Lulu… they’re not twins.

  487. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 4:35 pm

    I think reb can run his blog how he likes.
    He doesn’t have many rules and to continually disregard the few he does make shows a contempt for reb and the rest of us. After all, no-one is forcing us to comment here, there’s always other places that are friendly to a particular viewpoint without bugging the shit out of reb.

  488. August 11, 2014 4:42 pm

    Ricky, you sound like a girl.

    You must be sleeping with Egg I realise A very small Penis and be confused for a clitorus and the no balls is obviously very confusing to you, like Egg and his scrambled Gender.

  489. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 11, 2014 5:15 pm

    “You probably should start with Popper:

    So Popper agrees with me. Science can falsify something but cannot prove anything. And i was called an imbecile for saying that.

    “science is corrupt’

    Only AGW science”

    Only AGW science? Why so? Science is not as corrupt as other professions for one reason only. Sometime in the future someone may come along and try and reproduce your results so people are generally more careful when they commit fraud.

    But there is nothing stopping someone publishing results showing some area of the world is warming but not publishing results for the area next door which happens to be cooling. This is where human bias comes in. Scientists can select the correct results they like but ignore the correct results they do not like and that is impossible to say that is fraudulent.

    Same goes with the abortion/cancer topic. If you believe abortion is wrong chances are you will find evidence backing your beliefs. If you believe abortion is OK chances are you will never find any data showing a link between BC and abortion. There is a smorgasbord of data to publish and a scientist can selectively pick correct results which supports his beliefs.

  490. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 5:51 pm

    But there is nothing stopping someone publishing results showing some area of the world is warming but not publishing results for the area next door which happens to be cooling. This is where human bias comes in.

    no, nothing except complete ridicule from the entire scientific community for falsifying work and bias.

  491. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 5:56 pm

    Same goes with the abortion/cancer topic. If you believe abortion is wrong chances are you will find evidence backing your beliefs. If you believe abortion is OK chances are you will never find any data showing a link between BC and abortion.

    They have still got to convince the other scientists, it’s called peer review and it exists to ensure belief does not prejudice evidence. They would very quickly be shown up for the frauds that they are.

  492. egg permalink
    August 11, 2014 6:01 pm

    The inevitable ridicule heaped upon them, in standup routines, is the best we can hope for.

  493. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 6:20 pm

    … no, nothing except complete ridicule from the entire scientific community for falsifying work and bias.

    Bit like exposing commenters who just make shit up … rather than proving the point or actually making a point based on real evidence rather than crackpot personal assertions, constantly repeated in an attempt to give them credibility …

    ABORTION DOES NOT INCREASE THE RISK OF BREAST CANCER …. 21st Century research trumps 20th Century research …

    I’d make a fortune playing poker with you, Kneel … so predictable and oh, so naïve …

  494. egg permalink
    August 11, 2014 6:25 pm

    ‘… so egg’s transgender?’

    No, but there is definitely something wrong with my wiring.

  495. August 11, 2014 6:32 pm

    “but there is definitely something wrong with my wiring.

    Amongst other things.

  496. egg permalink
    August 11, 2014 6:40 pm

    ‘It’s a difficult balance, El Gordo obviously has an online persona and that may not be consistent with the person (s)he is in real life.’

    Its me ToM, like in real life.

    ‘I suppose I’m a little more ambivalent because (s)he doesn’t badger me. It’s obviously annoying to some other contributors that I have plenty of time for.’

    We rarely come into conflict because of our distinct portfolios, usually I get into arguments with general rounds reporters.

    Always been a big fan of your dry wit.

  497. August 11, 2014 6:59 pm

    “We rarely come into conflict because of our distinct portfolios.”

    Largely because ToM generally inhabits the real world where facts and figures take precedent over nutjobbery and ignorant ideology.

  498. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2014 7:20 pm

    Let me say that I agree with AO 100% –

    ”I think reb can run his blog how he likes.
    He doesn’t have many rules and to continually disregard the few he does make shows a contempt for reb and the rest of us. After all, no-one is forcing us to comment here, there’s always other places that are friendly to a particular viewpoint without bugging the shit out of reb.

    Young reb shows remarkable tolerance for numerous odd/idiosyncratic personalities, and if he’s had enough, that is actually good enough for me too.

    reb started this blog as a means of allowing some of us (me particularly) a place to post when banned elsewhere.

  499. TB Queensland permalink
    August 11, 2014 7:24 pm

    reb started this blog as a means of allowing some of us (me particularly) a place to post when banned elsewhere.

    Yes, the cantakerousness has dissipated somewhat, ToMarse … though to be true so it has many of us …

  500. egg permalink
    August 11, 2014 7:26 pm

    Unlike you I have no ideological bent, or political axe to grind.

    ‘ToM generally inhabits the real world’

    Me too.

  501. August 11, 2014 7:31 pm

    Young reb”

    I love you. Remind me never to ban you.

  502. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2014 7:31 pm

    I’m still just as cantankerous TB, it’s just that most of the stuff that I used to post (about the poisonous influence on the ALP off union hacks and factional warlords) has been shown to be accurate. There’s no one that mounts a serious challenge now, as there’s so much practical experience to demonstrate THAT I WAS RIGHT!!

  503. August 11, 2014 7:32 pm

    “Me too”

    Oh how we laughed and laughed…

    Remind us again – it’s all going swimmingly well for Tony Abbott…….??

  504. August 11, 2014 7:35 pm

    If you’re going to declare I WAS RIGHT ToM you could at least put it in bullet points…

    #Justsayin

  505. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 11, 2014 7:43 pm

    I WAS

    • RIGHT!!

  506. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 11, 2014 7:46 pm

    well if we’re going to be declaring stuff

    I WAS RIGHT re business and liberal party corruption being just as bad as the unions/ALP.
    #ICAC

  507. Balance of Probabilities permalink
    August 11, 2014 7:57 pm

    I could have been right about something at some stage.

  508. egg permalink
    August 11, 2014 8:08 pm

    ‘Remind us again – it’s all going swimmingly well for Tony Abbott…….??’

    Indeed it is and the G20 should give him a boost in the polls.

  509. August 11, 2014 8:46 pm

    Me too. there is definitely

    Yeah sure and Abbott is an environmentalist feminist 🙄

    There is definitely something wrong with my wiring.

    Yes mam G20 you say? righto O then…

    Prediction.. Abbott will freestyle and have a brain fart then reinforce his position as the laughing stock of the world. Then his popularity will stay on par (hated) or maybe tilt the metre at “despised”

    Blah BlahBullshit bullshit bullshit…There is a smorgasbord of data to publish and a scientist can selectively pick correct results which supports his beliefs..

    I mean how do you reason with such an intellectual pygmy? He scarily cant see beyond his own narrow minded hatred.

  510. Meta permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:32 am

    (I was vaguely under the impression that the Kuhnian Revolution overtook the Popperian Construction; but, that too, almost certainly, was a parsing fad.)

  511. August 12, 2014 1:27 am

    Pyne at his best…. what a fucking knob

    The new damage control meme is being so arrogantly socially disconnected that when you publically eat your own shit you pretend its a chokito. The new damage control meme is being so socially disconnected and arrogant that when you eat your own shit you pretend its a chokito.

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/08/10/pyne-says-govt-deserves-thanks-for-listening.html

  512. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 7:01 am

    ‘THE Coalition’s primary vote has jumped back to 40 per cent for the first time since April, regaining lost ground from its unpopular budget in the biggest single rise in support for the Abbott government in its 11 months in power.

    ‘And Tony Abbott’s focus on international affairs has boosted his own stocks in the head-to-head comparison with Bill Shorten for the third consecutive poll, helping him take back the lead as the nation’s preferred prime minister for the first time in four months.’

    Hudson / Oz

  513. August 12, 2014 9:05 am

    BREAKING NEWS!!

    Actor and comedian Robin Williams has killed himself.

  514. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 9:11 am

    Life is hard for bipolar people.

  515. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 9:25 am

    “Yes, the cantakerousness has dissipated somewhat,………………..””

    What a load of fucking bullshit………………………you are all a bunch of cnuts

  516. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 9:42 am

  517. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 9:56 am

    The idea of falsification was recognised by Francis Bacon, long before Popper elaborated it. Further, Popper is not neccesarily incompatible with Kuhn. Thus when a paradigm is falsified often enough it is replaced by one with more explanatory power.

    Davis Stove put modern HPS in context in “Four Modern Irrationalists” and it was his acolyte Jim Franklin who reverted to a more common sense approach to science.

    Even though Feyerabend didn’t like Feynman much, the two had a lot in common (and in a good way) in that Feyerabend noted that theories of science, such as those of Popper, Bacon and Kuhn, were destructive of science. This is not a lot different to Feynman’s aphorism that “philosophy of science is about as useful to scientists as ornithology is to birds”.

    In recent times when everything is first and foremost political, AGW theory is not so much a new paradigm as an exercise in politicised groupthink. Its predictions have been falsified by the performance of its predictive models over the last decade and a half. A lot of this has to do with the extreme reluctance of leading climate “scientists” to share their data and code with critics, thus delaying scrutiny, all the while becoming ever more shrill about their misplaced faith in their failing predictions.

  518. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2014 11:09 am

    Blackhawk just flown over … and the time is?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Actor and comedian Robin Williams has killed himself.

    I just read that isn’t confirmed, sreb, just that he had been suffering depression (wink, wink)

    Sad day … a very clever human being … even when he was Mork …

  519. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2014 11:14 am

    What a load of fucking bullshit………………………

    I thought you were busy shining your fat arse at this time of year making shit up to claim on people’s tax returns …

    The sooner the government introduces a flat rate 20% with no deductions the sooner we can put you to real and productive work …

    Tony Abbott is seeking people to plant a few million trees …

  520. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 11:22 am

    What splatter said is correct.

    The plateau in temps cannot last forever, place your bets now.

  521. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2014 11:27 am

    sb, this link is a good summary of the development and history of Scientific Method …

    The development of the scientific method involves some of the most enlightened cultures in history, as well as some great scientists, philosophers and theologians.

    https://explorable.com/history-of-the-scientific-method

    There is some interesting links on the right sidebar too …

  522. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 11:32 am

    ICAC is fun this morning:

  523. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 11:35 am

    Are there any NSW Libs that are not corrupt?

  524. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 11:43 am

    ‘We’ve learned from experience that the truth will come out. Other experimenters will repeat your experiment and find out whether you were wrong or right. Nature’s phenomena will agree or they’ll disagree with your theory.

    ‘And, although you may gain some temporary fame and excitement, you will not gain a good reputation as a scientist if you haven’t tried to be very careful in this kind of work. And it’s this type of integrity, this kind of care not to fool yourself, that is missing to a large extent in much of the research in cargo cult science.’

    Richard Feynman

  525. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:01 pm

    Good link, TB. It is also well to remember that some of the greatest scientists had some very strange views. As a teenager I was very taken with Koestler’s The Sleepwalkers which was about scientists who made great discoveries which were incidental to their pursuit of odd ideas. He used as an example Kepler who was trying to discover the music of the spheres (following Pythagorus) and in doing so came up with his laws of planetary motion.

    Egg, clearly the AGW crew have not heeded Feynman.

  526. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:28 pm

    My favourite modern accidental inventions (rather than discoveries) include the microwave oven and cling wrap … I’ve also been fascinated with the fact that the laser was invented with absolutely no commercial applications envisaged at all … it was just an “experiment” with light … what a useful (and dangerous) experiment it has turned out to be!

  527. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:29 pm

    Shouldn’t you two [sb and egg] be peddling your denier myths in the back room?

    I don’t know why you insist on abusing the good nature of reb here egg. Just yesterday he wanted you to fuck off out of the place and you remained because he was softened by pleas from others. Today you are [with the help of sb] completely disrespecting him again.

    Not impressed.

  528. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:29 pm

    Saw on TV last night that 40% of Australian voters do NOT believe our democracy is the best system of government … I’m not alone, that’s noice …

  529. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:31 pm

    yet another thread derailed.

  530. August 12, 2014 12:37 pm

    “”yet another thread derailed””

    It’ll be the last time.

    Final warning…

  531. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:39 pm

    Don’t be such a bully, KL. Your inner authoritarian is showing. Maybe you are auditioning for a role with the thought-police?

    An incidental reference to AGW in a discussion on scientific method (or indeed in this comment) is not, as far as I can tell, an act of disrespect. There is a really interesting discussion to be had on scientific method and the politicisation of science is part of that.

  532. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:41 pm

    Fair call, KL and sreb, I mean, egg is the only commenter here with their own playground …

    … I confess it was suggested to stop, egg, playing on the main road with the big boys and girls …

    … but if she* chooses to play in the traffic then I guess the inevitable will happen …

    *on this I’m convinced …

  533. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:42 pm

    How do you derail a Rostrum thread? There have been a lot of topics discussed here among the 500+ comments. And a lot of them are interesting.

  534. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:45 pm

    “…………yet another thread derailed.””

    “Derailed”

    FMD…………………………first time for everything ay !

    By the way…………………….what was the original subject of this thread ?

  535. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:46 pm

    blow it out your arse sb

    nothing incidental about any of that sb, it is egg’s denier propaganda, ongoing and deliberate she never misses an opportunity and you know it – take it where it belongs.

  536. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:48 pm

    “”Owen DID NOT hand it back but used it on campaign “”

    So he didn’t drop it ($10,000) back in the other guy’s mail box like he said he did ?

    We’ll knock me over with a feather……………….who would have thought it ?

  537. August 12, 2014 12:49 pm

    “There is a really interesting discussion to be had on scientific method and the politicisation of science is part of that.”

    Good feel free to have it in the backroom or somewhere else.

    I (and others) are sick and tired of egg derailing threads that have absolutely nothing to do with climate change.

    I have dropped a number of not so subtle warnings about this in the past but still she insists on testing my patience.

    So this is it – if you want to talk about climate change feel free to fuck off and talk about it somewhere else.

  538. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:54 pm

    yes walrus, I know that the topics are ever changing on all threads, something reb is happy to indulge us in. But the denier talking points which include the politicising of climate science [which BTW, is what the denier movement is all about] belongs elsewhere. Egg is determined to introduce climate change bullshit into every thread. How selfish, self important and fucked in the head is that? .

    we’re lucky reb hasn’t shut down the blog completely, all because of one person’s refusal to heed any warnings and his/her complete disrespect of the few blog rules that have been imposed.

  539. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2014 12:54 pm

    Yeah I was he one who brought up AGW and derailed the thread. Egg was just responding to me.

    We got onto the scientific method because of the alleged cancer/abortion link.

    The other problem with modern science is that it funds quantity of papers published not quality. A researcher who publishes 10 so-so papers which do not discover much will get another grant to fund research over another researcher who publishes one quality paper. So there is an enormous rush to publish average over quality research.

  540. August 12, 2014 12:55 pm
  541. August 12, 2014 1:00 pm

    Yes her delusional propaganda belongs back in the fiddlers corner where they can discuss all that corruption and how they are so fucking hard done they as the gasp for oxygen truth.
    She is a tiresome boring distraction to Joes fucktarery….

    Back in ya box.. there’s a good girl

  542. August 12, 2014 1:11 pm

    “How do you derail a Rostrum thread?”

    Well that is true. It is meant to be an open discussion thread.

    However egg only has particular barrow to push and it’s incredibly tedious.

  543. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 1:13 pm

    Yeah I was he one who brought up AGW and derailed the thread. Egg was just responding to me.

    egg responds with every opportunity given, she waits for it. She is happy to jump in whenever the door is opened or even held slightly ajar. There will never be an opportunity missed where she won’t respond or hint at CC denial. Haven’t you noticed all the andrew boltisms, the ‘but i can’t talk about that’ nonsense?

    there is a room devoted to it, where people can talk to their heart’s content.

  544. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 1:21 pm

    funny, how come egg is now missing in action?
    was all over the place just before.
    Still not impressed with the hidey act while your mates stick up for you egg and then promptly resume with all your denier rubbish as soon as you think the coast is clear.
    You owe reb an apology, a genuine one.

  545. August 12, 2014 1:30 pm

    “funny, how come egg is now missing in action?”

    Yeah isn’t it just….

  546. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 1:32 pm

    Have some work on, just continue talking as if I’m not here.

  547. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2014 1:38 pm

    “there is a room devoted to it, where people can talk to their heart’s content.”

    I used to go to that room very infrequently but i never visit any more since Reb has turned off the recent comments for that thread so you never know if anybody has made a comment. It makes it impossible to carry on a conversation. Actually i am not that interested anyway but i think the recent comments should be turned on.

    And you obviously have not read any of the comments on the philosophy of science. Science cannot proves things it can only disprove things. I can tell AGW science is full of know it all leftists trying to shove their religious beliefs disguised as science down my throat.

  548. August 12, 2014 1:42 pm

    Meanwhile…. Morgan still predicting decimation and no spike for tony other than the one that we would like to hammer through his black heart…

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5729-morgan-poll-federal-voting-intention-august-11-2014-201408110707

  549. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 1:47 pm

    Have some work on, just continue talking as if I’m not here.

    no, I’d actually like you to explain yourself, why you do what you do all the time. Do you think you owe reb an apology? will you stick with the defiant ‘fuck you’ that is your usual reply?

  550. August 12, 2014 1:47 pm

    The philosophy of Science? … fuck off..just crawl up your ass and eat your own liver will you…

    Squeal do yourself a favor and take… the hint Fucktard…

    The only thing you have down your throat is John Howards cock and about a gallon of fiberal Jiz 🙄

  551. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 1:54 pm

    Tsk………tsk……………tsk……………..tssk

    The language around here today is just sooooooooooooooooooo utterly disgraceful…………..

  552. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 2:02 pm

    ‘Do you think you owe reb an apology?’

    If the intention is to censor right of reply on an open thread, then no. And splatter is correct, your authoritarian slip is showing.

  553. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 2:10 pm

    from your link ricky, seems only the 65+ age group think abbott is the man

    Analysis by Age group

    Analysis by Age group shows the ALP with its strongest advantage among younger Australians most affected by the Abbott Government’s proposed requirements on Australians collecting unemployment benefits. 18-24yr olds favour the ALP (67.5%, up 7%) cf. L-NP (32.5%, down 7%); 25-34yr olds favour the ALP (66.5%, up 2%) cf. L-NP (33.5%, down 2%); 35-49yr olds favour the ALP (58%, up 2%) cf. L-NP (42%, down 2%); 50-64yr olds narrowly favour the ALP (51.5%, down 3.5%) cf. L-NP (48.5%, up 3.5%); while those aged 65+ still clearly favour the L-NP (55.5%, down 3.5%) cf. ALP (44.5%, up 3.5%).

    How much longer do you think Abott can milk the MH17 cow? I know that I’m thinking he’s turned it into a daily stunt for a poll boost.

  554. August 12, 2014 2:16 pm

    “How much longer do you think Abott can milk the MH17 cow?”

    Well after it’s use by date, which was probably last week sometime..

    I’ve noticed that whenever he utters “Operation Bring The Home” he diverts his gaze downwards to avoid revealing the little smirk that says “my approval rating climbs a few clicks whenever I say that…”

  555. August 12, 2014 2:21 pm

    Tsk Tsk indeed

  556. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 2:29 pm

    If the intention is to censor right of reply on an open thread, then no. And splatter is correct, your authoritarian slip is showing.

    And I feel like I’m lecturing one of my kids on good behaviour, taking advantage of others and respecting others, I would end with “haven’t I told you this a thousand times before” and “it’s not all about you”

    right of reply 🙄

    you pounce on right of reply as the right to shove entrenched CC denial into every single comment.

  557. August 12, 2014 2:36 pm

    “How much longer do you think Abott can milk the MH17 cow?”

    Like an altar boy …. desperation is setting in as more of theie bullsit plans unravel.
    Its clear by Pynes Pouncing on Sky news and Jenny Robinson on Q and A last night…. they are trying to spin failure as the great virtue of conciliatory governance, when we all know its the personal vendetta crusade of Bandis, who couldn’t sell a fistfull of 50’s for a gold coin donation.

  558. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 2:40 pm

    “which BTW, is what the denier movement is all about”

    Take it to the back room and don’t be so disrespectful!

  559. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 2:41 pm

  560. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 2:42 pm

    Will you all stop talking about the weather and stuff, I’m on thin ice.

  561. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2014 2:48 pm

    I wonder who this Nun votes for?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/nun-protests-at-hockeys-sydney-office/story-fn3dxiwe-1227021728894

    A NUN is among praying protesters at federal Treasurer Joe Hockey’s electorate office in Sydney………………They say they won’t leave until they get a timetabled commitment that all children will be released from detention…..”I feel I can’t leave without a commitment from the government to release all children from detention and to resettle them in a safe and nurturing environment,” she said on Love Makes A Way’s Facebook page.”

    While there may have been some protests under Rudd/Gillard they seem to have increased under Abbott.

    It was Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them in 2007 who locked all these people up. And lock them up again they will if the ALP gets back into power. ALP/Greens/Communists are natural totalitarians and will always lock people up if they have the power.

  562. August 12, 2014 3:11 pm

    Operation bring home the polls..

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-tony-abbott-talks-patience-as-operation-bring-them-home-becomes-operation-wait-and-see-20140812-3djam.html

    Natural Totalitarians?
    Excuse me Walrus.. that deserves a big fat “fuck off fruitloop” 🙄

  563. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 3:15 pm

    ALP/Greens/Communists are natural totalitarians and will always lock people up if they have the power.

    I’d start with you.

    “You have no respect for excessive authority or obsolete traditions. You’re dangerous and depraved, and you ought to be taken outside and shot!”
    ― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

  564. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 12, 2014 3:17 pm

    By the way you find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

    Fact is ALP/Greens locked up more men, women and children than any govt in Australian history.

  565. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 3:30 pm

    I seems pretty clear that abbott & his strategists have tried to move the debate from their stuff-ups to national security – conservatives believe this to be their safe, happy place.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/08/12/abbotts-early-set-mid-term-blues

    …The Abbott Government is stuck in the doldrums, and no amount of foreign distractions seems to be shifting it. Ben Eltham explains…

    No short cuts with political leadership:
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/no-short-cuts-with-political-leadership-20140808-101wuq.html

    …The Abbott government is getting pretty close to the point of no return. It has two years to repair its disastrous standing with voters but, with the slide in leadership, and followership that was evident this week, it is clear that it doesn’t have a moment to lose…

  566. August 12, 2014 3:42 pm

    “I seems pretty clear that abbott & his strategists have tried to move the debate from their stuff-ups to national security – conservatives believe this to be their safe, happy place.”

    Yep – that’s why everything they do is getting militarised with the prefix “Operation” this and “Operation” that.

    It’ll be Operation fkn Election next, with armed guards at polling stations.

  567. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 4:05 pm

    It’ll be Operation fkn Election next, with armed guards at polling stations.

    hehe
    “you vill vote LNP”

  568. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 4:06 pm

    Without having a really forensic look at this thread I see no one amongst our little nest of Leftie Sleeper Cells has expressed any outrage at a few severed heads being bandied around by little creepy radicalised 6 year olds.

    Is it because the Left love violence sooooo much they don’t even bat an eyelid to what they se as a pretty tame piece of propaganda from their Brothers in Arms ISIL

  569. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 4:08 pm

    I notice the Guardian didn’t actually quote Alex Hawke……………………………………I wonder why ?

  570. August 12, 2014 4:10 pm

    ” I see no one amongst our little nest of Leftie Sleeper Cells has expressed any outrage at a few severed heads being bandied around by little creepy radicalised 6 year olds.”

    IT’S A DISGRACE…!!

    In my defence, I can only be outraged at so many things in one day.

  571. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 4:18 pm

    So you admit you are part of this network of Leftie Sleeper Cells ?

  572. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 4:21 pm

    IT’S A DISGRACE…!!

    Indeed. Quick find out who didn’t say anything. They must be deniers of one sort or another. Heads will roll.

  573. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 4:43 pm

    The sin of omission is still not a crime.

  574. August 12, 2014 4:49 pm

    De liars are deniers …

  575. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 5:05 pm

    “ALP/Greens/Communists are natural totalitarians and will always lock people up if they have the power.”

    – Neil of Sydney

    “”Natural Totalitarians?
    Excuse me Walrus.. that deserves a big fat “fuck off fruitloop” ”

    – Ricky P

    Pass the crack pipe Ricky……………………..

  576. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 5:15 pm

    Michael Totten on Chomsky

    ‘There is an intellectual side to this, as well. You see it clearly in his famous debate with Michel Foucault. Chomsky says at one point that there is a moral and ethical order that is hardwired into human beings. And Foucault basically asks him, why? How do you know this hardwired morality exists? And even if it exists, how can we know that it is, in fact, moral in the first place? We may feel it to be moral, but that doesn’t make it true.

    ‘Chomsky’s answer is essentially: Because I believe it to be so. Now, whatever that is, it isn’t thinking. In fact, it’s an excuse for not thinking. Ironically, Chomsky later said that Foucault was the most amoral man he ever met, whereas I would argue that Foucault was simply pointing out that Chomsky’s “morality” is in fact a form of nihilism.’

  577. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 12, 2014 5:49 pm

    “It’ll be Operation fkn Election next, with armed guards at polling stations.

    That sounds safe. Perhaps I can get some of those pesky Greens leaflet people arrested.

  578. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:07 pm

    NSW Premier Mike Baird is urging two suspended Liberal MPs to consider their future in politics but has refused to back calls for their sacking …

    …NEWCASTLE MP Tim Owen on Tuesday morning admitted to lying to the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) about what he did with $10,000 in cash he received from a property developer.

    Charlestown MP Andrew Cornwell told the corruption watchdog last week he had received a bribe from another property developer.

    “The people of the Hunter and the people of NSW have been betrayed,” Mr Baird told reporters in Sydney on Tuesday.

    “I say to the members, it is time they considered their positions (as members of parliament).”
    Both men have stood aside from the Liberal Party and will quit politics at the March election.

    So what do they have on the Premiere?

    Or is he just gutless?

    Certainly none of them are “serving the people” …

  579. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:15 pm

    “NSW Premier Mike Baird is urging two suspended Liberal MPs to consider their future in politics but has refused to back calls for their sacking …”

    Do keep up.

    Perhaps you should set your alarm clock for your 1pm to 5pm nap a bit louder

    They were told by the LNP to resign from Parliament today and have done so.

  580. August 12, 2014 6:23 pm

    Pass the crack pipe Ricky……………………..

    I dont think you’re finished with it yet Wally and besides Its not my thing…

  581. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:25 pm

    I see no one amongst our little nest of Leftie Sleeper Cells has expressed any outrage at a few severed heads being bandied around by little creepy radicalised 6 year olds.

    You are a fuckwit at times, Wally …

    What a fucking stupid, stupid comment … maybe you should have forensic look at this and other threads …

    Is it because the Left love violence sooooo

    You seem obsessed with the subject …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The sin of omission is still not a crime.

    Not true – under the law of tort you can be found guilty of acts or omissions … (ie duty of care)

  582. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:26 pm

    Craig Thomson, on the other hand, loyally served his electorate until Gillard didn’t need him any more.

  583. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:29 pm

    They were told by the LNP to resign from Parliament today and have done so.

    Do Keep Up, Mr Mitty …

    Both men have stood aside from the Liberal Party and will quit politics at the March election.

    Standing aside ain’t resigning! The greedy pricks will still get paid for doing nothing except setting up their future pocket lining ventures!

    But you’d think that was smart rather than wrong …

  584. TB Queensland permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:30 pm

    Craig Thomson, on the other hand …

    et tu …

  585. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:33 pm

    Go back to bed you idiot…………………………..they have resigned from Parliament

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tim-owen-and-andrew-cornwell-resign-following-icac-revelations/story-fni0cx12-1227021502082

  586. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:36 pm

    It takes a while for NSW political news to make its way to Queensland.

  587. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:39 pm

    barbarity

    It’s not just radicalised Islamists – what about foreign fighters who flock to the IDF?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-not-just-radicalised-islamists–what-about-foreign-fighters-who-flock-to-the-idf-9634260.html

    Is Tony Abbott our very own George W. Bush?

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/is-tony-abbott-our-very-own-george-w-bush-20140807-101em1.html#ixzz3AAHOv7Lx

  588. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:40 pm

    ‘found guilty of acts or omissions’

    OK thanks.

  589. Walrus permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:41 pm

    “– what about foreign fighters who flock to the IDF?”

    There is a bit of a difference when its a UN recognised nation I’d imagine.

    But not to the continually outraged Left obviously

  590. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:58 pm

    I imagine that it should be one law for all, when you have an unequal or biased system it could breed radicalism.

  591. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 12, 2014 6:58 pm

    “what about foreign fighters who flock to the IDF?”

    Only a moral cretin would make that argument. Oh wait – of course – it is Robert Fisk. You would have to be truly evil, as in so rotten to the core you are not even a human being, to evenmake that argument.

  592. August 12, 2014 8:59 pm

    By Elections…maybe Bye bye elections.

  593. Loathe Thyself permalink
    August 12, 2014 9:10 pm

    Fisk is a hero.

    No, wait, he’s a leftist hero. Which means he stands against everything the capitalist west stands for. Those capitalist pigs live in comfortable circumstances, with abundant food, and freedom to do whatever they choose.

    The evil bastards.

    Whereas the poor downtrodden Arabs live in miserable poverty under religious oppression. They are the victims here, therefore must be in the right. When western leftists acknowledge this fact and denounce their own depraved society they can feel good about themselves. They can be morally superior.

  594. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 12, 2014 10:13 pm

    Go to Gaza, see for yourself:
    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.609741

    …The West Bank is occupied and the Gaza Strip is besieged. This nation tries to resist, with its meager powers and with methods that are sometimes murderous, as every conquered nation throughout history, including Israel, has done. It has a right to resist, it must be said.
    Let’s talk about Gaza. The Gaza strip is not a nest of murderers; it’s not even a nest of wasps. It is not home to incessant rampage and murder. Most of its children were not born to kill, nor do most of its mothers raise martyrs — what they want for their children is exactly what most Israeli mothers want for their own children…

  595. egg permalink
    August 12, 2014 10:37 pm

    ‘Brisbane Pride Festival president Peter Black hopes the bright pink, sequined first “B” in “Brisbane” makes Mr Putin reflect on Russia’s anti-gay laws, and the welfare of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex people.

    “The laws in countries such as Russia, and the way in which they treat their LGBTI community, are abhorrent and I would hope that the lessons of tolerance and inclusiveness, that Australia can show to the world, would give him some thought,” he said.’

    Courier Mail

  596. Meta permalink
    August 12, 2014 11:44 pm

    (Somehow, I still don’t think Julie Bishop and her designatory-red marker-pen would approve of intemperate sentiments suggesting “We are all Gazans now!”; and yet, there is that conversionary notion occasionally CC’d around that we’re all coalition miners with caged critters to care for explosively now, err, ‘we’re all living in Israel’, legitimate(d) rush-order weapons importer, celebrated purveyor of fine military exports to the deedful and needful, and sometime recruiter of ‘lone soldiers’ to the forefront, infinity, and beyond of ‘civilization’ simpliciter.)

  597. August 13, 2014 12:52 am

    Bad IvIeta.

    Whiteanter of shit polemicists.

  598. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 13, 2014 3:11 am

    I see Bill Shorten is playing politics with the severed head.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-11/photo-of-boy-holding-severed-head-the-act-of-a-lunatic/5662202

    “”As an Australian also I’m pretty angry that this person was able to get through our passport system under the current Government’s watch and go to where he’s gone. This is dreadful,” Mr Shorten said.”

  599. Who, me? permalink
    August 13, 2014 7:38 am

    Watch this to the end …

  600. egg permalink
    August 13, 2014 8:09 am

    ‘PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has refused to rule out deploying Australian troops on the ground in Northern Iraq — the first such mission in more than a decade — to assist in the humanitarian protection of the Yazidi people stranded on Mount Sinjar.’

    Oz

    Three cheers for our supreme leader, who should capitalise in the polls.

    This is the sort of commando operation which is necessary and legitimate, the future is now and I’m confident TB will agree.

  601. August 13, 2014 9:02 am

    Trolling for a reaction again egg….? Is that all your blogging experience is about these days?

  602. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 13, 2014 9:34 am

    Great vid, ToSy. Obama is surely the worst president the USA has had, if for no other reason that he hates what the US is and is trying to remake it in his narcissistic leftist image.

    Nice point, egg. No matter what Abbott does, according to the haters it is either bad or poll-driven or both.

  603. August 13, 2014 9:42 am

    Oh well at least one arsehole agrees with you.

  604. egg permalink
    August 13, 2014 9:45 am

    It was always my understanding that Trash is a troll free zone.

  605. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:01 am

    When Abbott is referred to as “our supreme leader” – that is beyond trolling. It is too ridiculous to press any buttons.

  606. August 13, 2014 10:04 am

    “that is beyond trolling. It is too ridiculous to press any buttons.”

    True. I like the way she refers to herself in the plural though…

  607. Walrus permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:05 am

    “Obama is surely the worst president the USA has had,…………”

    Gotta say I always had my doubts during his very first campaign.

    All too often people with towering dialogue (those speeches of his) fail to actually deliver anything but mediocrity which he has managed by the truckload.

    Kennedy was the white version. It was LBJ that did all the reforming

  608. Meta permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:11 am

    (I stress, I stress, and I stress again, this is a humanitarian mission, a humanitarian mission which involves: a soft coup to install Dubya’s failed swap-in candidate from 2003 and yesterday’s Deputy Speaker as Iraq’s new Prime Minister, Prime Minister Albadi, a moderate, with our full support, without a formed government behind him and with a constitution, a very constitutional constitution, a constitution drafted with wide consultation back in 2003 and much admired ever since, conferring powers on our new and supported and moderate Prime Minister of Iraq until a government forms or turns against him; a handing out of guns like lollies to some of the locals, ah, to autonomous locals but still Iraqis, ah, to free and democratic and well-armed Iraqis and to autonomous and well-armed Iraqi Kurds and Kurdistani Iraqis; and a coalition of the, ah, not just the USA and the UK discussing what to do next, because the Iraqis, or some other willing partners, are at the head of the table in deciding their futures, ah, the free and democratic Iraqi People’s and Peoples’ futures, and all the options are on the table. And can I just make this clear, perfectly clear, crystal clear, perfectly crystal clear, I rule out a war, I do not rule out a use of force, should I offer our troops enough times and should our humanitarian partners graciously accept Australia’s assistance in this humanitarian mission to stop ISIS, ah, to stop a fragmentary genocide of the nation of Iraq, ah, to assist in manufacturing consent for taking Hamburger Hill, ah, to assist in securing passage for innocent civilians stranded atop Sinjar Hill and to stop a genocide. Any questions may be asked later, much later. That means you, Wilkie. Thank-you, the rest of Team Australia.)

  609. August 13, 2014 10:13 am

    Brilliant Meta, simply brilliant! 🙂

  610. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:16 am

    It was always my understanding that Trash is a troll free zone.

    You’re still here … 🙂

  611. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:18 am

    All too often people with towering dialogue (those speeches of his) fail to actually deliver anything but mediocrity which he has managed by the truckload.

    Yes, I thought, I agree with that statement, Wally …

    Then I read this …

    Kennedy was the white version. It was LBJ that did all the reforming …

    Guff uff uff aw aw aw ….

  612. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:22 am

    This is the sort of commando operation which is necessary and legitimate, the future is now and I’m confident TB will agree.

    Like I said, You’re still here …

  613. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:23 am

    Any questions may be asked later, much later. That means you, Wilkie. Thank-you, the rest of Team Australia

    One of yer best, M … oh so true

  614. egg permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:29 am

    For the most part drones should come into their element, with tactical commando raids a last resort.

    The gamers will get straight onto this. Women are being kidnapped and sold in the market as sex slaves, the commandos are sent to rescue them from the despicable ISIS.

  615. Walrus permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:34 am

    “”Then I read this … “”

    Oh…………I forgot to add that Kennedy got the US into Vietnam and a big way…………………….then took the World to the brink with an invasion of Cuba and a slight disagreement with Russia.

    If you look at the history book LBJ was the real reformer especially in the area of race relations.

    Kennedy was full of hot air

  616. egg permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:35 am

    ‘Like I said, You’re still here …’

    Yeah but 7.30 is not, he was a troll.

  617. Irish Eyes permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:44 am

    Wasn’t Kennedy one of them, you know, Catlicks?

  618. Walrus permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:49 am

    LOL @ TOSY

  619. Walrus permalink
    August 13, 2014 10:59 am

    Now Lauren Bacall has snuffed it as well

  620. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 13, 2014 11:54 am

    She changed her name to Betty Jean Perske whereas her cousin, Szymon Perske changed his to Shimon Peres.

  621. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 13, 2014 12:10 pm

    “Oh well at least one arsehole agrees with you.”

    Arsehole is such a generic term these days. To add a little nuance you could try the following emoticons:

    (_!_) a regular arse

    (__!__) a fat arse

    (!) a tight arse

    (_*_) an arse hole

    {_!_} a swishy arse

    (_o_) an arse that’s been around

    (_x_) kiss my arse

    (_X_) leave my arse alone

    (_zzz_) a tired arse

    (_E=mc2_) a smart arse

    (_$_) Money coming out of his arse

    (_?_) Dumb Arse

  622. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2014 12:11 pm

    1961: US President Kennedy pledged extra aid to South Vietnam

    1962: The number of US military advisors increased from 700 to 12,000

    1963: President Diem was killed in a military coup 15,000 US military advisors were in South Vietnam

    1964: the Gulf of Tonkin incident; Congress passed the ‘Gulf of Tonkin Resolution’; America bombs targets in North Vietnam; NLF attacked US air bases

    1965: ‘Operation Rolling Thunder’ started; first US combat troops were sent to Vietnam in March; by the end of the year there were 200,000 US troops there; first major conventional clash between USA and NVA at Ia Drang

    1966: 400,000 US troops were in Vietnam

    1967: 490,000 US troops in Vietnam; Nguyen Van Thieu became President of South Vietnam

    1968: Tet Offensive; demonstrations against the war started in America; My Lai massacre; peace talks began in Paris; 540,000 US troops in Vietnam; anti-Vietnam War riots in Chicago (August)

    When was Kennedy assassinated again …

    Wasn’t Kennedy one of them, you know, Catlicks?

    Yep, and his old man was a catlik … and not much help in WWII …

    I hope all you catlik supporters watched 4 Corners last night … old Lyin’ Eyes Pell’s in a lot of trouble, methinks, sleazy Fuckwit™ …

  623. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2014 12:13 pm

    (_*_) matches the gravatar … 🙂

  624. Walrus permalink
    August 13, 2014 12:26 pm

    Increasing Military advsers brom 700 to 15,000 is getting involved in a big way.

    He left LBJ with a massive headache

  625. TB Queensland permalink
    August 13, 2014 12:56 pm

    And here’s the rest of the world thinking it was Ho Chi Min … and I don’t think JFK had much choice in when he “left” …

    McNamara was the 1960’s version of Rumsfeld … at least McNamara admitted he was wrong with VN …

    As far as Oz is concerned we were involved from 1962 – 1972 …

  626. egg permalink
    August 13, 2014 1:15 pm

    ‘Last week, in the wake of a shock increase in the unemployment rate to 6.4 per cent in July, the Reserve Bank said wage growth had declined to a 15-year low.’

    Creighton / Oz

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