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Scott Morrison’s Christmas Island Cover Up

July 31, 2014

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The national inquiry into children in immigration detention has heard evidence alleging a Government cover-up about the scale of mental health issues among child asylum seekers.

Psychiatrist Dr Peter Young was the director of mental health services at detention centre service provider, International Health and Mental Services (IHMS), for three years until earlier this month.

In evidence to the inquiry today, Dr Young alleged figures showing the extent of mental health issues among child asylum seekers had been covered up by the Immigration Department.

He said IHMS had collected figures showing “significant” mental health problems among a significant number of child detainees.

He said the “early data” was “broadly in line with what we are seeing with adults and perhaps a little higher”.

He said IHMS provided a report to the Immigration Department “in the couple of weeks as [the data had] come in” and that the reaction was “negative”.

“[The Immigration Department] reacted with alarm and have asked us to withdraw these figures from our reporting,” Dr Young said.

Gasps were heard in the gallery and the inquiry’s barrister Naomi Sharp asked who had sought the data’s removal.

“I am not sure exactly. It comes from the department,” Dr Young said.

Immigration Department Secretary Martin Bowles said he was not present when IHMS was allegedly asked to withdraw the figures.

“I was not there, so I am not sure of the reaction,” he said.

Asked if he was concerned about allegations of a cover-up, Mr Bowles told the inquiry:

“There has been a statement today. You have heard one side of the statement”.

“If our staff did an inappropriate thing, then I will deal with that.” he promised.

“Our normal practice is to assess these things.”

Responding to claims that IMHS was regularly overridden by departmental staff, Mr Bowles said: “not to my knowledge. I would be very upset if that was the case”.

The Department Secretary bristled as he was asked whether conditions on Christmas Island were designed to break the will of asylum seekers.

“I am actually offended by these statements. It attacks the professionalism of our staff,” he said.

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has been contacted for comment.

Dr Young still works at IHMS as a consultant and has been compelled to give evidence at the inquiry by the Australian Human Rights Commission.

The inquiry is examining the conditions of detention – especially on Christmas Island – the safety of children on Nauru, along with mental health assessments and the impact of long-term detention on children.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says allegations of a cover up by the Immigration Department are disturbing, if true.

“It is important that we don’t have a culture of secrecy around immigration policies,” he told reporters from The Gutter Trash.

“We all know when it is blue sky and good news for the Abbott Government, Scott Morrison is rent-a-quote, but he goes missing action too when the going gets tough.”

Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young described Dr Young’s evidence as shocking.

“I call on the minister today to release all incident reports in real time inside immigration detention centres.” she told reporters in Adelaide.

“Let’s do away with the secrecy, the lack of transparency and the cover-ups on what really goes on inside.”

Senator Hanson-Young, who was denied entry yesterday to the Curtin Detention Centre to visit the 157 Tamil asylum seekers who have been the subject of a High Court challenge, says the minister must explain himself.

“I am extremely concerned at the minister’s attitude to the welfare of these children, whether they are children detained on Christmas Island, Nauru, or indeed the new children who have recently arrived after being imprisoned on the Customs ship and are now locked up in the Curtin Detention Centre.”

The president of the Australian Human Rights Commission, Professor Gillian Triggs, says it would be extremely concerning if information is being reduced, redacted or altered before it gets to the minister.

Dr Young told the inquiry there had been 128 cases of child detainees committing acts of self-harm in the past 15 reporting months, but that figure does not include Nauru.

He said he was aware children had tried to poison themselves or ingest harmful substances, and said banging heads against walls is common.

There are a further 171 cases of child detainees threatening self-harm and the Human Rights Commission says it has been told 23 children have tried to self-harm on more than two occasions.

Ms Sharp said the commission had been told one child had attempted to self-harm on 16 occasions.

Dr Young said he was not aware of the case.

“If there was a case like that that was going on for a period of time, that would result in a recommendation for the child to be managed out of detention. Managed in hospital if that is required,” he said.

Dr Young says the case did not surprise him “because the policy is that children are held in detention”.

Meanwhile two doctors have told the inquiry their recommendations for the clinical treatment of detainees were often altered and downgraded by authorities.

Dr Grant Ferguson and Dr John Paul Sanggaran both spent time working on Christmas Island in 2013.

Dr Ferguson told the inquiry “there was direct interference with our autonomy” by IHMS.

He said IHMS medical director Lachlan Fieldhouse would change his written recommendations for treatment of detainees without consultation.

Dr Sanggaran said written clinical decisions by doctors were “altered and routinely being downgraded”.

Dr Ferguson told the inquiry he was also asked by the medical director to prescribe medication for detainees he had never seen.

He also said there were “multiple occasions” when he was asked to refer adolescents to the Immigration Department which was “not appropriate for doctors”.

Both doctors told the inquiry that children with complex medical problems just cannot be treated on Christmas Island as there are no child psychologists, paediatricians or specialised children’s mental health services.

Dr Sanggaran said glasses, hearing aids and medication were taken from asylum seekers when they arrived on the island.

“One of the most concerning things I saw was nurses popping pills into a bin,” he said.

He told the inquiry doctors often did not know what medication children were taking, or what it was for.

He gave an example of a three-year-old girl suffering epilepsy whose medication was taken from her when she arrived at Christmas Island.

Dr Sanggaran said the child started having seizures and medication was ordered from the mainland but that ran out and the seizures returned.

He said she was eventually transferred off the island.

Today’s inquiry hearing came the day after Australian church leaders accused the Federal Government of “state-sanctioned child abuse” over its treatment of unaccompanied asylum seeker children.

 

 

 

 

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137 Comments leave one →
  1. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2014 2:19 pm

    I knew this would happen. For six years Labor/Reb/TB/TomR/Tom/Ricky locked all these people up and said nothing until the Coalition got into power

    http://www.sevozdowski.com/2014-02-03-kids-in-detention-new-ahrc-inquiry/

    “Certainly the repetition of my inquiry is the highest form of flattery but timing is very odd. When the boats were arriving in large numbers and Labor was at its peak of cruelty towards the boat arrivals AHRC almost did not see the problem and the newly appointed Children Rights Commissioner was proclaiming that her jurisdiction is limited to domestic matters.”

    Gillian Triggs is an immoral monster like most ALP supporters. eg Rrb TB, Toilet et al

  2. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2014 2:22 pm

    I don’t know why, but this reminded me of nihlo

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2014 3:38 pm

    And I’m getting sick of the personal insults …

    … as if any of those commenters mentioned by, Kneel, would condone the (in)action reported, by ANY Australian government … or Australian individual for that matter …

  4. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2014 3:40 pm

    And I’m getting sick of the personal insults …

    It’s kinda repetitive isn’t it TB, not to mention wildly inaccurate

  5. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2014 7:53 pm

    Why? It is the truth.

    All i remember is you lot condemning Howards Pacific Solution as mean and nasty. Well you voted to abolish it in 2007 and look at what happened.

    Of course you people are responsible for locking these people up.

  6. Tom R permalink
    July 31, 2014 8:01 pm

    Why? It is the truth.

    All i remember

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 31, 2014 8:08 pm

    did you see the UN rep in gaza break down and start weeping at the inhumanity of gaza? just heart rending. Australia has once again been silent on the slaughter and complicit by the actions of the grubs we call leaders [both sides].

    There should be worldwide sanctions imposed on Israel.

    We should all be judged and condemned by the torture of refugees being carried out in our names by this loathsome, sadistic govt.

  8. July 31, 2014 8:11 pm

    “Australia has once again been silent on the slaughter and complicit by the actions of the grubs we call leaders [both sides].

    STRONGLY AGREE!

    But it’s just those pesky Muslims who are being annihilated so what’s the big deal……??

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 31, 2014 8:30 pm

    just like herr morrison, that martin bowles is a piece of work.

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 31, 2014 8:35 pm

    Gillian Triggs is an immoral monster like most ALP supporters. eg Rrb TB, Toilet et al

    rack off neil

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    July 31, 2014 8:40 pm

    But it’s just those pesky Muslims who are being annihilated so what’s the big deal……??

    Jew lover …

  12. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 31, 2014 8:50 pm

    Jew lover …

    this is fun

    scottish git…

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    July 31, 2014 8:58 pm

  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    July 31, 2014 9:09 pm

    “rack off neil

    Why?? Where was Gillian Triggs when Labor was locking all these kids up??

    I have always believed that Labor/Greens support a team and have no principles. That is what disturbs me most about ALP/Greens supporters. Listen to what the guy who commisioned the kids in detention report under Howard says about Triggs.

    “Certainly the repetition of my inquiry is the highest form of flattery but timing is very odd. When the boats were arriving in large numbers and Labor was at its peak of cruelty towards the boat arrivals AHRC almost did not see the problem and the newly appointed Children Rights Commissioner was proclaiming that her jurisdiction is limited to domestic matters

    Gillian Triggs is an immoral monster who only gets out of bed when the Coalition is in power.

  15. August 1, 2014 1:48 am

    Just Fuck off Squeal i was saying nothing? What a fuckwit you are.. Anytime you would like that public debate I would be happy to teach you all about how painfully wrong you are but then again you can no more put brains in a statue as you can stop an irreverent opinionated parrot from squeaking others ideas repetitively, pretending like its communication…

    Operation sovereign borders is immoral
    Fiberals double the deficit

    You know the more I read about these christian neocon teabags like morrison, abets , brandis abbott and alike that have control of the Fiberal party empowering people like forrester to take a hard line based entirely on socially disconnected elitist mentality….. the more I am reminded of Nazi Schatzi and the hammer and Sickle that my family fled…

    neocon Teabags are the free market fascists of the modern age they make noise about socialism yet try to invoke all the worst aspects of commo opression..look at work for the dole it has red fascism written all over it…

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/andrew-forrest-welfare-proposal-ambitious-and-brave-pm/story-fn59niix-1227008398757

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 1, 2014 9:38 am

    We are entering dangerous times. The fear and loathing is palpable, I hear it from everyone I speak to. Living under fascist rule, families responsible for their children until they are 30 yo because the govt. has washed their hands of the youth. Govt. throwing a generation to the wolves, ruining the environment that they will inherit, giving away their future and their national assets for foreign profits. Easy to see why the youth don’t vote for them, they do this every time they get into power. Less money for families as once again, public debt becomes private debt with the conservatives favourite sleight of hand, the cooking of the books to give them their precious ‘surplus-even-if-it-kills’ to crow about. Middle aged people worried about job conditions and being able to survive while wealthy businessmen are running the joint and writing govt. policy, telling everyone they are a drag on their profits.
    Government spying on everything we do and everywhere we go, electronic tagging of everything they can, state police the enemy of the people, working for the interests of private enterprise. Monitored to the nth degree.

    We need civil disobedience, take it to the streets and trample the oligarchy!

  17. August 1, 2014 9:43 am

    Hear Hear AO!

  18. August 1, 2014 10:06 am

    AO I could not agree more.. true conservatives need to reclaim liberalism from these extremist totalitarian whackjobs. The sheer arrogance and hypocrisy is beyond contempt. There is no denying oligarchy is being invoked by these sycophant puppets.

    We have taken to the streets and there is more planned… this is Shortens big chance for contrast through reform.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-31/detention-centre-inquiry-hears-claims-of-immigration-cover-up/5637654

  19. Hunter S permalink
    August 1, 2014 10:13 am

    “The fear and loathing is palpable, I hear it from everyone I speak to.”

    And yet, I never hear it. I suppose it depends on who you speak to and what you choose to speak about. I certainly don’t speak about politics much in my “normal” life, and ‘fear and loathing’ is something I’ve never come across.

    Except in the movie.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2014 10:25 am

    KL, excellent comment! And describes the mood in my own bailiwick …

    Son and his mates are classic, they believe the Liberals (Abbott in particular) fooled them into voting for them … they are livid … this government is tearing down what little of society’s morals, ethics and mateship we have left and its hurting big time … even the rusted-ons I know are pissed off …

    And I guess that’s reflected in the polls …

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2014 10:27 am

    … true conservatives need to reclaim liberalism from these extremist totalitarian whackjobs …

    AND, RP …

    … true believers need to reclaim the ALP from the neocons and unions …

    Go Clivey! Please go!

  22. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2014 10:28 am

    And yet, I never hear it.

    Eyes Wide Shut perhaps ❓

    One thing we can be justly proud of is that somewhere in our collective soul, whether by design or accident or habit, we have developed and cultivated this odd sense of the fair go, of a rough sort of equality and social justice, where the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favour to those with knowledge, but where tax and redistribution happen to them all.

    The Abbott Government, and its supporters in business and the media, hold that Australia, egalitarian Australia, in contempt, and they see this term of government as their chance to feed it to the sharks.

    Why would any of us, let alone the conservatives whom they have most betrayed, let them get away with that?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-31/dunlop-feeding-our-egalitarian-nation-to-the-sharks/5638304

    Well said AO! It appears Tim Dunlop is of a like mind (I suppose that would be GroupThink now it is finally 1984?)

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2014 10:29 am

    I suppose it depends on who you speak to and what you choose to speak about

    We’ve noticed, ToSY …

  24. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2014 10:32 am

    and for nihlo

    The inquiry’s timing is particularly odd because when the Labor party was at the peak of its cruelty towards boat arrivals, with boats sinking and the number of children in detention growing rapidly, the AHRC appeared to turn a blind eye.

    There are two possible answers to this.

    First, the inquiry was instituted not to primarily solve the problem of children in immigration detention but in order to appease the human rights lobby after the long silence of the AHRC under the Labor government.

    Second, the AHRC’s relationship with the Immigration Department has recently broken down to such an extent that the AHRC special inquiry powers are needed to get access to basic information about the wellbeing of the children being detained.

    This second scenario is what the AHRC President Gillian Triggs suggested in an interview with ABC program The World Today on Monday. However, Minister Morrison contradicted this by stating that his department continued to work with AHRC.

    http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15999&page=0

    I note blot and his right wing linkages doesn’t delve into that second scenario (and the one highlighted by Griggs) for his readers nihlo

    None so blind I guess.

  25. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2014 10:37 am

    Thought this was good time for this after tabot gain claimed last night that he doesn’t lie

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/repsfeed/abbott-translate-jiir

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 1, 2014 11:16 am

    Re – electronic tagging

    I’ve regularly supported electronic tagging of rapists and people who have intervention orders against them for domestic violence. It is the only issue I can recall actually writing letters to politicians and police about.

    It makes sense to monitor people who represent a clear threat to public safety.

    It’s great to see the police recommend this in the lead up to the Victorian state election. I think both sides will support it.

    If anyone objects to this type of monitoring, they’re misguided.

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 1, 2014 11:18 am

    …bolding was supposed to end after first line!

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 1, 2014 11:54 am

    On the other hand…

    1. If public servants and politicians have attempted to suppress reports of mental or other illness among people detained, they should be dismissed.
    2. Morrison is loathsome and should be dismissed on that basis alone.
    3. Making 29 year olds wait 6 months for the dole is bizarre and cruel.
    4. Loading young people up with increasing levels of HECS is contrary to decent social and economic policy.

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 1, 2014 11:55 am

    Tim Dunlop is an idiot. I would like to see him as PM of Australia trying to make it more egalitarian.

    All that would happen is that unemployment would go up and debt would go up like they always do under Socialist govts.

  30. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2014 1:41 pm

    I would like to see him as PM of Australia trying to make it more egalitarian.

    I AGREE! 🙂

    Tim Dunlop 4 PM 🙂

    (You heard it here first)

  31. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 1, 2014 2:21 pm

    Tim Dunlop would be a disaster. Socialists have all these great plans but they never work.

    The only successful thing Rudd/Gillard did was build more detention centers and locked up more men, women and children than any govt in Australian history.

  32. Meta permalink
    August 1, 2014 2:39 pm

    (I know how you feel and completely agree, Neil; Goodies are all for freedom, and not locking people up, and not keeping friends and families separated, and ensuring elected representatives make make dialogue with guests at Curtin Detention Hotels, and personally-vicariously fighting all the good and right and historical fights.)

  33. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2014 3:03 pm

    Goodies are all for freedom,

    They do have their dark side though.

  34. Walrus permalink
    August 1, 2014 3:56 pm

    “Where was Gillian Triggs when Labor was locking all these kids up??”

    Extraordinarily quiet . Must have been all those pressing “domestic issues” that she had at the time.

    Just another public servant with no credibility because she chose to stay quiet when her team was in charge.

  35. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2014 4:03 pm

    Just another public servant with no credibility because she chose to stay quiet when her team was in charge.

    For the really slow or for the deliberately ignorant

    AGAIN.

    the AHRC’s relationship with the Immigration Department has recently broken down to such an extent that the AHRC special inquiry powers are needed to get access to basic information about the wellbeing of the children being detained.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/07/31/scott-morrisons-christmas-island-cover-up/#comment-67742

    In other words, don’t bloody well try and hide shit away. Operation Don’t Tell Anyone is bullshit. The dumbasses should have pulled this crap 6- 12 months out from an election, cos it won’t work in the long run.

    I’m glad they are too stupid to realise that, but I just wish we hadn’t sunk to these depths (thanks Labor you gutless twerps, and Greens, you hypocritical wanks)

  36. Walrus @ Palm Beach permalink
    August 1, 2014 4:06 pm

    My suburb is becoming a very difficult place to reside in…………..

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/northern-beaches/our-top-10-palm-beach-problems-to-reclaim-a-twitter-hashtag-from-florida/story-fngr8hax-1227010012078

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 1, 2014 4:19 pm

    “I’m glad they are too stupid to realise that, but I just wish we hadn’t sunk to these depths (thanks Labor you gutless twerps, and Greens, you hypocritical wanks)

    That seems reasonable.

  38. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 1, 2014 6:03 pm

    “In other words, don’t bloody well try and hide shit away. Operation Don’t Tell Anyone is bullshit. “

    Did you read your link? Sev Ozdowski gave two possible reasons for this new enquiry and he did not know if either was true but the first reason was this

    The new inquiry was announced only following the returned Liberal government’s apparent early success with its new tough anti-people smuggling measures. No boats with asylum seekers have arrived for over forty days.

    There are two possible answers to this.

    First, the inquiry was instituted not to primarily solve the problem of children in immigration detention but in order to appease the human rights lobby after the long silence of the AHRC under the Labor government.

    Anyone with a brain knows why Gillian Triggs was silent for 6 years. I have never seen a more tribal and dishonest people than ALP supporters.

    If the ALP gets back in Gillian Triggs will go back to sleep only to wake up if Abbott666 is re-elected.

  39. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2014 6:18 pm

    Did you read your link?

    Obviously I did, and I even highlighted why Griggs said why they didn’t previously. Previously, under the previous Government, they had access to the previous Immigration Department. This changed under Operation Don’t Look Don’t Tell, and this was the only way for them to actually see what was going on. They didn’t need to raise an inquiry before to find out what they needed to know

    Try reading the link yourself first before looking more ignorant than you actually are, instead of just relying on your right wing brigades sterilised and inaccurate presentation of events

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2014 6:20 pm

    Abbott666 is re-elected.

    Its actually Abbott616 … I’m a fan of Stephen Fry’s (he’s gay BTW!) QI .. you should watch it and lear … on second thoughts …

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 1, 2014 6:26 pm

    “Obviously I did, and I even highlighted why Griggs said why they didn’t previously”

    It was Ozdowski’s interpretation but he did not know

    “This second scenario is what the AHRC President Gillian Triggs suggested in an interview with ABC program The World Today on Monday. However, Minister Morrison contradicted this by stating that his department continued to work with AHRC.”

    But this is a fact

    “after the long silence of the AHRC under the Labor government.”

    Exactly. Ozdowski does note the long silence from the usual suspects when Labor was locking children up. That is not an interpretation but factual.

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 1, 2014 6:35 pm

    I’ve regularly supported electronic tagging of rapists and people who have intervention orders against them for domestic violence. It is the only issue I can recall actually writing letters to politicians and police about…

    Sorry tomm, it was my poor communication, I wasn’t referring to those ankle bracelets, I meant the chips in D/L and the electronic tagging by way of catching a train or taking a tollroad, the isp’s having to keep records of internet use etc.

  43. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2014 6:42 pm

    Powerful …

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 1, 2014 7:15 pm

    Way past time we saw more aboriginal advocacy in this country TB. I hope that ad is seen far and wide.

  45. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2014 7:16 pm

    t was Ozdowski’s interpretation but he did not know

    interpretation??

    This second scenario is what the AHRC President Gillian Triggs suggested in an interview with ABC program The World Today on Monday.

    But the question remains, why don’t we find mention of this crucial bit of information on rwdb sites. They just latch onto the other comment, which, when countered against this one, doesn’t really mean shit, as it is self explanatory.

    Information, distilled the right wing way. And you lap it up.

    THIS is the reason Griggs gave, not “interpreted”

    The Human Rights Commission president, Gillian Triggs, says she’s struggled to find out about their wellbeing from the Immigration Department.

    GILLIAN TRIGGS: I think I have to say that over the last few months we’ve had minimal cooperation in relation to the kinds of details that I need to know, particularly mental health, self harm, and the processes for assessing those that are transferred.

    http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2013/s3936747.htm

    Take that to dolt and stick it up his idiocracy. That’s news he doesn’t want to hear. No wonder they want to get rid of theirabc (as shit as it is)

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 1, 2014 7:17 pm
  47. Tom R permalink
    August 1, 2014 7:19 pm

    Meanwhile, the free speech advocates who were so fearful of a Government attempting to make it a requirement for newspapers not to lie like their tv counterparts are silent over this Governments insidious secrecy.

    What’s hypocrite mean again?

    TONY Abbott’s office requested that the Defence Department “vet” video images of the Liberal leader firing a Steyr assault rifle in Afghanistan.

    This action ensured broadcasters were denied access to the pictures, The Australian has reported.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-under-fire-over-gun-photo-censorship/story-e6frfkvr-1225937989917

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    August 1, 2014 7:23 pm

    Way past time we saw more aboriginal advocacy in this country TB. I hope that ad is seen far and wide.

    I’ve worked with aboriginals in both “artistic” and “mining” environments, KL … my take … astute … and willing to move on .. governments and “do-gooders” stuff up the “progress” …

    The Minister and I, noted some burn off this morning and we both said why don’t we let the keepers of he country actually take control of it and pay them to do it!

  49. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 1, 2014 8:04 pm

    Triggs herself admits it was political.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/child-detention-study-two-years-too-late-says-gillian-triggs/story-fn9hm1gu-1226817109064#mm-premium

    THE Australian Human Rights Commission should have considered an inquiry into asylum-seeker children in detention under the former Labor government when numbers were actually rising, the commission’s president has admitted.

    Gillian Triggs said she accepted criticism that the timing of the commission’s current inquiry, announced yesterday, was off by about “two or three years”—but blamed her predecessor and the election year for the delay.

    Professor Triggs also acknowledged the political nature of the move, saying that, having held off launching an inquiry during Labor’s final period in government and the early months of the Abbott administration, it was “now time to start using the influence we have”…

    The commission’s first report into child detention in Australia noted a peak of 842 children held under the Howard government in September 2001. That number was passed under the Gillard government in November 2010, when 883 children were in detention. It passed 1000 for the first time under Labor in January 2011 and reached a high of almost 2000 last July, two months before the federal election. It is estimated there are about 1028 children in asylum detention in Australia and Nauru.

    Triggs became HRC in July 2012 but waited until a Coalition govt before she did anything.
    The HRC only cared about kids in detention when the Coalition won office. She also seems to be saying her predecessor was worse than herself and Triggs even admitted the Federal election in 2013 got in the way. What the hell does a Federal Election have to do with anything unless of course you support the ALP.?

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 1, 2014 9:52 pm

    No worries AO.
    ——-
    Neil, regardless of a perception of political motivation, the entire episode is a disgrace. This government deserves plenty of opprobrium about this issue.

  51. Meta permalink
    August 2, 2014 1:48 am

    (Well, that’s something, I guess…

    There is one hope, according to Professor Triggs – the children will soon be able to go to school. Professor Triggs says the Government has responded to her request for education for the children. She says teachers should be on the island within a couple of weeks. “That is probably the most important ray of light in the current situation,” Professor Triggs said. “They will be able to have a routine to their days.” “Their parents will have the routine of getting them to school and making sure their homework is done.” A spokeswoman for the Immigration Minister says the decision to improve education facilities was made well before and independently of discussions with Professor Triggs. “It was made following the Minister’s visit to Christmas Island in November last year and was taken through the Cabinet process,” she said. Professor Triggs hopes the school will transform life within the camp, but says she wants more from the Federal Government.)

  52. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2014 7:32 am

    “There is one hope, according to Professor Triggs – the children will soon be able to go to school. Professor Triggs says the Government has responded to her request for education for the children.

    So not only did the ALP/Greens lock them up, they gave them nothing to do.

    Where where the usual suspects during the last six years.? I love this comment from Triggs

    “but blamed her predecessor and the election year for the delay.”

    What the hell has an election year got to do with holding off an investigation?

  53. Meta permalink
    August 2, 2014 7:33 am

    (Hooray, the responsible Minister declares himself irresponsible for his and his own Department’s decisions and exercises of power: G’Day Nauru: Tamil boat people say hello to their new home after secret overnight operation ; but veteran journos at the Oz aren’t so sure that basic understandings of applied migration law and expenditures of public moneys on magic plane rides to exotic locales apt to appear on monthly operational accounts can be so easily dismissed because because because: Immigration Minister Scott Morrison takes hard line: 157 sent to Nauru .)

  54. Meta permalink
    August 2, 2014 8:20 am

    (“What the hell has an election year got to do with holding off an investigation?”

    Who would know; but are you still beating your wife and around the bush with Squiggly Rick’s editorialisations, and blaming yourself for the LNP’s taking full credit from 2012 onwards for the ALP’s finally capitulating to only the part-(re)introduction of the LNP’s Immigration Policy, and congratulating yourself for the full (re)introduction of the LNP’s Immigration Policy since the 2013 election and its utilitarian freedom and murder and psychological torture successes, and the need to go over old ground on the categorical human rights of children and others placed into (in)definite mandatory detention yet again for the benefit of the busy beaver policy-designers and rattan-cane-lamenters who just forgot the basics between 2004/2007/2010/2012/2013 and 2014???)

  55. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2014 9:33 am

    Triggs herself said she wasn’t responsible for what was decided previously. The one who was explained it. Yet you continue to ignore the fact.

    Ms Branson told The Australian she did not launch an official inquiry, despite protests from advocates and political parties against Labor’s detention policies, because the commission was receiving appropriate information from the then Department of Immigration and Citizenship.

    “We were constantly monitoring the treatment of children in detention and I always found the department to be very responsive and cooperative in helping us do that,” Ms Branson said.

    Even the oz put this in. Did you miss it?

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2014 9:41 am

    Did you miss it?

    I assume (one should not, I know) that this is a rhetorical question if its aimed at, Kneel?

    I think Meta hit his head on the nail … its the CHILDREN’S NEEDS now!

    Not latent political scoring …

    Everyone has failed these children! Everyone …

  57. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2014 1:24 pm

    Everyone has failed these children! Everyone …

    I AGREE!

  58. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2014 1:31 pm

    I think Meta hit his head on the nail

    It’s a disturbing trend he has 😉

  59. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2014 1:32 pm

    Meanwhile, back to marginalising our own citizens for the gubamint

    Unemployed people are told they have to fill out 40 job applications a month or lose the dole. At the same time the government has reduced spending on training. Programmes like Youth Connections, that enabled disadvantaged young people to move through education to work, have been cut. Cuts to apprenticeship support are short-sighted and cost not just individuals; but the economy as a whole. A skilled workforce is a productive workforce.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/01/welfare-recipients-arent-bludgers-and-they-deserve-respect-from-joe-hockey

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2014 2:34 pm

    The notion of mutual obligation is reasonable.

    I’m familiar with a couple of young people – mid 20s, both are on disability pensions. One is mildly intellectually disabled, the other has a few mild emotional/anxiety problems.

    Their main motivation in life appears to be ensuring that they can spend the next 40 years on a disability pension, then go on the old aged pension.

    The idea of people spending the next 40 years swapping ideas on facebook about how to ensure continuing pension payments isn’t good use of anyone’s time.

    An obligation to hand out a few meals at the old folks home, or something seems reasonable.
    ——
    The proposal for the unemployed to provide evidence of 40 job applications a month isn’t well thought out. I suppose it may create a few low grade clerical jobs in opening letters and disposing of them.

  61. August 2, 2014 2:41 pm

    on abc24, sarah-HY has given the teabags a pretty good blast,

    apparently, the kids on the gulag-ship have been locked-up in shipping containers for 21-hours a day, these child-abusers in canberra need to be dealt with, WhereTF are the fed-cops.?

    teabag morrison was on after sarah-HY, blubbering and waffling the usual cart-load, but looked quite `nervous`(guilty/etc)

  62. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2014 2:52 pm

    Their main motivation in life appears to ….

    STOP READING FUCKING MURDOCH!!

    I’m sure you have your own mind yomm, try and use it. You have shown you can when it suits. It is a scientific fact that murdoch actually stops you using it.

  63. Meta permalink
    August 2, 2014 2:53 pm

    (Coincidentally

    “Assistant minister for employment Luke Hartsuyker explained that the department can and will “initiate compliance actions against job seekers whose efforts are clearly unsatisfactory or non-genuine.”….In other words, genuine jobseekers are like genuine refugees: only the government can determine who fits the criteria – and no-one fits the criteria.”)

  64. August 2, 2014 2:55 pm

    ”””””””””””””Government spying on everything we do and everywhere we go, electronic tagging of everything they can””””””””

    hate to ruin a good pantywetting armchair,

    but if ya`got an iproduct/mobilephone, then you are carrying ya`very-own personal tracker, that leaves a Trail where-ever ya`go, (last l heard, the records are kept for 2-years)

    and best part is, `you` pay for `it` to track`ya

  65. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 2, 2014 3:04 pm

    Tom R – I said, “I’m familiar with…”

    They are people that I know personally, they were at my home a few weeks ago, with the parents of one of them, for dinner. I think they are capable of being more than welfare recipients, and if they are receiving welfare, they should pop out from time to time and hand out some meals to old folk (or something)

    At the moment their main motivation is figuring out how they can continue not doing anything.

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2014 3:13 pm

    “Even the oz put this in. Did you miss it?

    No i did not miss it. Triggs herself gave the reason (an election year and was 2 or 3 years late). You are trying to spin a different story. Labor did not even send the kids to school until Triggs asked Morrison

    “Professor Triggs says the Government has responded to her request for education for the children”

    By the way there is large scale people movement around the world from poorer countries to wealthy countries.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2712187/EXCLUSIVE-A-lot-people-die-blood-Obamas-hands-Shocking-images-corpses-illegal-immigrants-left-die-border-crossings.html

    They are obviously desperate people. Perhaps they think they might as well be dead than live where they are but they are not refugees in the traditional sense.

  67. Meta permalink
    August 2, 2014 3:24 pm

    (At this point, I feel I must defer to the wisdom of Scott Morrison, I think, in observing that what may well appear to be unreasonable, to lay professors who aren’t doctors and who are masquerading as Human Rights Commissioners, or unreasonable to sacked Disability Commissioners, or even unreasonable to independent expert medical professionals upon review, is perfectly reasonable to Scott, on the advice which Scott has received from Scott, per Scott’s reasonable motivations for originally entertaining more able reasonings, which is now a policy.)

  68. August 2, 2014 3:24 pm

    ””””””””””””””’capable of being more than welfare recipients, and if they are receiving welfare, they should””(#work-of-some-kind)

    .

    l understand what you mean yomm, unfortunately it will exacerbate the problem, there is already people `fcuking-desperate` for a `life-building`job, but are stuck with junk-job/s, the `no-free-rides`teabag/yank motto has already failed most of them, breaking-up full-time jobs into many part-time/casual/junk-jobs only mean MORE people need the dole-office, NOT less,

    everybody would be better-off if the jobs were being consolidated,(opposite-of-breaking-up) so more people were COMPLETELY out of the dole-office

  69. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2014 4:43 pm

    Triggs herself gave the reason (an election year and was 2 or 3 years late). You are trying to spin a different story.

    Actually nil, it is the oo trying to spin a story.

    Triggs comments about “2 or 3 years late” looks to have been a reply to a hypothetical put towards her. Whereas, on the abc, when asked “why now,” her response was a simple “because we no longer have access”

    In other words, the oz’s story is written from their perspective, and her answers are given in relation to their hypothetical. It is push questioning, almost akin to “why do you no longer beat you wife?”

    The reasoning why the inquiry was not launched before were given by both Triggs and her predecessor, there was no need for it, as they had all the access they needed to make a determination. When asked a very leading question, her answer was fairly conventional, simply acknowledging that its a fair question, but the answer is not really at odds with her previous statements. It has just been presented in that way.

    “I think one could say, of course an inquiry should have been held two or three years ago, or something the commission could have considered doing,” she said. “My predecessor Catherine Branson decided what issues were important. I’ve been president for 18 months so I am accountable for those 18 months.”

    Of course one could say many thinks depending on the question. Her arguments why not are all valid, but the most compelling one, the one she voiced without leading questions, was that it was not required due to the open nature of their access before morriscum locked it all down.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2014 4:51 pm

    I think Meta hit his head on the nail

    It’s a disturbing trend he has

    And necessary to phrase a coin like M … (’twere just a wee play on’t words lad nowt sinister … 🙂 )

    only the government can determine who fits the criteria – and no-one fits the criteria.”

    Will the same apply to Baby Boomers one wonders …

    everybody would be better-off if the jobs were being consolidated,(opposite-of-breaking-up) so more people were COMPLETELY out of the dole-office

    And that tbag, almost makes sense …

    I think they are capable of being more than welfare recipients

    And then you’ve got the problem of expecting people to work till they’re 67 soon to be 70 … where will all this wok come from … cue egg …

  71. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2014 4:53 pm

    “where will all this wok come from”

    Obviously China … 😆

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 2, 2014 4:55 pm

    TomR

    You are proof that Labor supporters have no shame. It was your govt that locked all these people up. I would be too ashamed to show my face if i was you. Triggs made it clear. There was an election coming up. You are trying to say that all of a sudden access was cut off so they called an enquiry. Triggs herself said THERE WAS A NEED AND it should have been held years ago when they allegedly had all the access they wanted.

    This investigation is political and was not held previously because the ALP was in power. You are trying to win an argument on the smell of an oily rag.

    “Gillian Triggs said she accepted criticism that the timing of the commission’s current inquiry, announced yesterday, was off by about “two or three years”—but blamed her predecessor and the election year for the delay

    Your govt did not even allow the kids to get an education until Morrison gave the go-ahead. How about blasting Rudd/Gillard to making this mess?? You are defending the indefensible.

  73. Meta permalink
    August 2, 2014 5:05 pm

    (Everyone has failed these children!

    I don’t know; there’s probably a little or a lot which a child could learn from an adverse environment, taking flight, and/or being reprocessed in an immigration detention centre; and it’s not as if an adult remembers a child remembering each and every unfolding detail of a thousand kisses from their mother or a thousand silent cries of anguish in the middle of the night from their father or a thousand-and-one origami cranes for peace from their sisters and their brothers and their near or distant cousins.)

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2014 6:56 pm

    You are trying to win an argument on the smell of an oily rag.

    That’s plagiarism! Datsun’s run on the smell of an oily rag!

    I wouldn’t mind if you made stuff up … but nothings original – everything is regurgitated – its a sickness … like vomiting and diarrheahahaha …

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2014 7:10 pm

    I don’t know; there’s probably a little or a lot which a child could learn …

    Meta, having watched the film more than once … I understand what you are intimating … however we are not a twisted samurai (we are aggressive – yes – subservient – yes – both traits of samurai) … but the majority of Australians abhor the mistreatment of any child and this government and the previous governmentS have overstepped humanity lines …

    … even Kneel is almost correct in this … simplistic though his comments are …

    Your govt did not even allow the kids to get an education until Morrison gave the go-ahead. How about blasting Rudd/Gillard to making this mess?? You are defending the indefensible.

    What you fail to recognise, Kneel, is that I, and others here, have complained about (blasted) the ALP for many years – where were YOU … AND, the Abbott government has done NOTHING in almost 12 months – where were YOU … YOU have that responsibility! In fact you are defending the indefensible …

    … I (and I’m sure many other commenters here) accept that BOTH governments were/are at fault!

    Do you?

  76. Tom R permalink
    August 2, 2014 7:15 pm

    Gillian Triggs said she accepted criticism that the timing of the commission’s current inquiry, announced yesterday, was off by about “two or three years”—but blamed her predecessor and the election year for the delay

    Except, when you read her actual comments, that is not what she said.

    She said you “could say that”. That is different to her saying it. As I said, it was an answer to a question that was leading. I don’t see a direct quote of her saying that they could have, only that you could say that if you like. Unless you have a quote other than the oz or the abc one I put up earlier?

    like vomiting and diarrheahahaha …

    Kind of apt considering the source

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2014 7:19 pm

    FUCK! The Antichrist is reborn!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbotts-green-army-mobilised/story-e6frfku9-1227011084256

    Compare!

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    August 2, 2014 7:29 pm

    And to counter the bleatings … just ONE Dutch (I have rellies) or Australian (I have rellies!) is injured/wounded … let alone killed … I will blame this stupid government!

    I see Clivey has said exactly the same as I said … risking more lives for bodies is silly to say the least!

    Go Clivey! (on this issue at least!)

  79. August 2, 2014 9:11 pm

    FUCK! The Antichrist is reborn!
    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbotts-green-army-mobilised/story-e6frfku9-1227011084256

    No that would be skipping socialism and going straight to communism..do they get cash or twiggies cashless discretionary fascism. Maybe send them over to Naru or Manus to mop the Gulags…

  80. Meta permalink
    August 3, 2014 12:30 am

    (With Commandant C’link in charge, it’s all mutual obligation and carrot-sticks, ‘ey, Doc?)

  81. Meta permalink
    August 3, 2014 2:57 am

    (“… I (and I’m sure many other commenters here) accept that BOTH governments were/are at fault!”

    I’m not sure; I think the last time I played accountability games for real money with Neil, I notionally proposed a regional solution per a committed and properly resourced Bali Process and a drawing down on the total stocks and flows of refugees, not a drawing down on the numbers in Australian held-detention by transferring the numbers off the books, and hither and yon, to disappear the problematised and to avoid participation in something, anything approaching an actual and equitable solution for all peoples and all nations concerned; or, a minimum of 60000 people per annum as a back-of-an-envelope calculation; and I’ve come to accept the idea (I think I might have borrowed it from KL, possibly from a Scandinavian approach) of expeditious facilitation of people into supportive community-detention while claims are being processed, howsoever asylum-seekers arrive on the threshold; does the foregoing look like any particular Tweedle-Dee-or-Tweedle-Dum Party’s policy(ies), or anything like Neil’s cued-up constant caring and incessant advocacy for queued-up/not-queued-up refugees in/not in UNHCR camps?

    “…but the majority of Australians abhor the mistreatment of any child and this government and the previous governmentS have overstepped humanity lines …

    Yes, I know; that’s why I try very hard to resist the temptation to cast net-rocks at headlines, these days; it just compounds the situation.)

  82. Meta permalink
    August 3, 2014 6:58 am

    (Jolly good show, big claps

    “‘With more than half of the world’s refugees estimated to be women and children, this government recognises the significance of the programme and the protection it offers to those most vulnerable,’ Minister Cash said. ‘As a result, the government increased the woman at risk quota within the humanitarian programme to 1000 places in 2013-14. This level will be maintained in 2014-15.’ Since the end of World War II, more than 800 000 refugees and others in humanitarian need have been resettled in Australia, contributing to and shaping today’s society. Australia will again welcome 13 750 people under the 2014-15 humanitarian programme including prioritising family reunion with at least 4000 places under the special humanitarian programme (SHP) for those proposed by family members.”)

  83. Tony permalink
    August 3, 2014 9:50 am

    “Abbott’s parental leave scheme ‘shelved'”

    Good.

  84. August 3, 2014 10:08 am

    Gee didn’t this PPL scheme define the Minister for Vaginal vindication?
    More evidentiary proof that #onetermtony is as Oaks put it, dissolving like and aspirin

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/tony-abbotts-paid-parental-leave-scheme-deferred-with-no-due-date-in-sight-20140802-zzsbl.html

  85. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2014 12:19 pm

    Yeah. We currently have 18 weeks paid at capped about $690 a week, compared to 26 weeks paid at actual income.

    Lucky we’re not supporting the latter.

  86. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2014 5:54 pm

    I keep waiting for someone who really does have “influence” in the Australian community to ask … so if Scott Morrison keeps us in the dark and Joe Hockey is MIA, what else is this “adult” government keeping from its “children” …

    Abbott government score -: Communication … -10 …

    These ignorant wankers work for US … not THEMSELVES … the last lot (Rudd/Gillard) were a bunch of selfish shits but this lot are a bunch of ignorant bullies with no life experience in the real world …

    … most of them born with shiny, silver spoons in their mouths that would have been better shoved up their shiny arses and the holy water they were crossed with could have been put to far better purpose, ’cause it didn’t make any one of them compassionate, empathetic, humble, giving or caring – just gave them cause to become mean spirited, deceitful, lying, covert, arrogant, misguided, manipulative, war-mongering thieves!

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2014 7:05 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/morrison-questions-doctor-cover-up-claims/story-e6frfku9-1227011941514

    Sounds like the Manus Island riots fogging to me … do we know yet what happened and who is responsible … this bloke is incompetently incoherent when he does prattle …

    Everything he touches is dodgy and certainly inconclusive … slippery as a sea slug …

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    August 3, 2014 7:08 pm

    How to stop a nation with one budget …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/budget-drives-financial-comfort-down/story-e6frfkur-1227011944827

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 3, 2014 7:30 pm

    I listened to Fran Kelly interview Scott Morrison on news radio today. Fran sounded quite rattled, the pitch of her voice increased.

    I suppose Morrison can do that to people.

  90. Meta permalink
    August 4, 2014 12:14 am

    (I don’t like to suppose, I like to wait for all the evidence, and then respond, because internal/external contradictions otherwise might arise…mmmm…Sunday school, today, for the childrens on Christmas Island does seem a reasonable counter to all the uncharitable and/or unChristian things which might have been being said on the interwebz about Scott’s underlying values, and should scoop up well for the the next excellent dashboard of social media consultants reports; and the retrospective reversal of prospective equivocation about the (dis)appointing (un)suitablility of friends and families and the goings to school of fifty more children sent to Nauru, after they’ve assumed some major responsibility and made some very adult choices on their minor behalves, undoubtedly is a plus, too. I’m just not sure what, say, a Zizakian might make of an assertion that detainees just defaulted/opted into a binary/double-edged, default/opted/automatic policy held out to them for a (non-)protracted period, though.)

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2014 9:35 am

    Milk with your breakfast callous … anyone …

    THE federal government reportedly delivered May’s budget in the knowledge its spending cuts would have a much harder impact on poor households.

    CITING treasury figures obtained via a Freedom of Information request, Fairfax Media says they fall into line with private modelling showing the cuts were sharply inequitable.
    Criticised by Opposition Leader Bill Shorten and others for its “unfairness”, the budget has proved publicly unpopular to the point of causing a poll slump for the coalition which has been remedied somewhat only by its handling of the MH17 disaster.
    Many of the budget’s initiatives have also met strong resistance in the Senate, with Treasurer Joe Hockey forced to negotiate their passage with crossbenchers.
    The Sydney Morning Herald says when all factors are taken into account, the budget’s spending cuts mean an average low income family loses $844 per year in disposable income (earnings after tax and government payments) while middle income earners forgo $492. A high income family is down by $517.
    The paper says the analysis is just one of several that was provided to the government in the lead-up to the budget.
    It also says treasury refused to release two detailed sets of modelling on the basis they were for “the dominant purpose of submission to the cabinet”.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/govt-knew-truth-of-budget-impact-report/story-e6frfku9-1227012412411

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2014 9:39 am

    Sunday school ???? Is a good thing, M?

    For Hindus and Muslims?

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2014 1:50 pm

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-great-australian-speech-impediment-20140801-zzjjx.html#comments

    Shorten is included as an example of someone with good articulation!!??

    I suppose he’s ok if you ignore “uvver” (other) and “wiv” (with) and “umm” several times per sentence.
    Gillard was most grating though.

  94. August 4, 2014 2:34 pm

    The Fiberal Party’s Brandis.. the stratospheric high bar of hypocrisy .. Didn’t he issue licences for hatred?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/print/george-brandis-slams-fairfax-newspaper-over-antisemitic-cartoon/story-fn9ymmvo-1227012199046

  95. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2014 2:46 pm

    Good point Ricky. Brandis was defending the right of everyone to be bigoted, he can hardly say that only certain types of bigotry are suitable.

  96. August 4, 2014 3:55 pm

    Tom you don’t need a licence to champion Hypocrisy when you are a socially disconnected elitist with such deluded ideological aspirations of megalomania

  97. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 4, 2014 4:26 pm

    In fact Brandis made his point well. It is not a matter for the law to decide who is bigoted. That matter can be adequately dealt with by people voicing their opinions and commenting on others doing so. That is what he did. Would you prefer that Fairfax be charged with some race-hate crime? That may be poetic justice but it would be wrong.

    Brandis never suggested that he supported bigotry and none but the terminally stupid could spin his comments that way. Wanting the government to understand its limits is another thing entirely.

    The Fairfax cartoon is evidence that lefty journalists are far more bigoted than Brandis. By calling them out for their racism and shaming them, Brandis has provided an eloquent illustration of why we don’t need 18C.

  98. Meta permalink
    August 4, 2014 5:54 pm

    (Agreed; with synagogues aflame across the country, and greater Australian Jewry restricted to protesting against anti-Semitism and Other-Semitism from the heights over in Dover (fantastic 3rd Temple ref. from Goot, btw), and rockets virtually raining down on places of learning here, there and everywhere, and appropriate religious education in schools under threat, it’s definitely time for Attorney-General George and all the like-minded to stand up strongly against rampant bigotry in the community and to confront true moral evil and cartoons in this world head- and schnozz-on.

    We apologise: publishing cartoon in original form was wrong: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/we-apologise-publishing-cartoon-in-original-form-was-wrong-20140803-zzxab.html#ixzz39PADIB3U
    J-Wire: Stand with Israel: http://www.jwire.com.au/news/stand-israel/45056
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation

    Meanwhile, there’s always UNSG Ban’s latest mooning of the State of Israel’s and/or the IDF’s upstanding and outstanding behaviour to draw upon, I guess. Perhaps Education Minister Pyne, if not AG Brandis, has something he’d like to add; perhaps some small reminder of the rights of the child?

    Gaza: Ban condemns latest deadly attack near UN school as ‘moral outrage and criminal act’: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48396&Cr=Palestin&Cr1=#.U98wNKNfaSo )

  99. August 4, 2014 6:07 pm

    In fact Brandis made his point well.

    What by strongarming the paper and having the communications minister call them? I love libertarian logic when its swathed in hypocritical bias.

    Brandis never suggested that he supported bigotry and none but the terminally stupid could spin his comments that way

    I’m sorry you are irrefutably wrong as the courts disagree in that he supported Dolts Bigotry which was exposed as such under the law as a cowardly racially motivated attack on individuals of ethnicity tantamount to character assassination which that was incompetently researched, factually incorrect and poorly conceived of self serving, brand proliferating opinionated bias for commercial gain. Bandis then decided to change a law that was working fine for everyone else (including journalists) in the country with some pop and cock story about free speech, blocking up the courts with no factual evidentiary proof. He did this out of ideology and not as a reaction to a point of law as an Attorney General should, he just cant help himself as this teapot is a megalomaniac .

    The Fairfax cartoon is evidence that lefty journalists are far more bigoted than Brandis. By calling them out for their racism and shaming them, Brandis has provided an eloquent illustration of why we don’t need 18C.

    Really and how exactly does that cartoon relate to 18c ? The cartoon is referenced from a photo. Funny how News run a holocaust story in its money pit on the weekend.. gee that would have nothing to do with it would it?

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 4, 2014 6:23 pm

    Funny how in this conflict when the terrorist entity is firing thousands of rockets at Israeli civilians and using its own civilians as human shields, every wannabe Brownshirt is piling on the Jews. In most cases it probably isn’t anti-Semitism. It’s just that the left has rarely seen a terrorist group it didn’t like.

  101. August 4, 2014 6:26 pm

    “”using its own civilians as human shields””

    Oh so you bought that little piece of propaganda did you.

    So who exactly is bombing schools again?

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2014 6:32 pm

    Brandis never suggested that he supported bigotry and none but the terminally stupid could spin his comments that way.

    Yeah!

    “Mr President people do have a right to be bigoted …”

    Well I’m glad I’m not intellectually over capacitated like you then …

    You remind me so much of the Rockshifter its uncanny …

    Attorney- General – Senator Brandis

    “Mr President people do have a right to be bigoted …”

    Let me repeat …

    Brandis never suggested that he supported bigotry and none but the terminally stupid could spin his comments that way.

    “Mr President people do have a right to be bigoted …”

    Proof … @ 35 seconds

    Brandis never suggested that he supported bigotry and none but the terminally stupid could spin his comments that way.

    Not only insulting to anyone WITH intelligence but also to anyone who suffers mental instability … typical of supporters of this particular government …

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2014 6:34 pm

    It’s just that the left has rarely seen a terrorist group it didn’t like.

    There you go again … Kneelspeak …

    Anyone with any intelligence can see what the Isrealis are doing … a simple check is the death toll on either side …

    There are better ways than killing children!

  104. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 4, 2014 6:39 pm

    “Oh so you bought that little piece of propaganda did you.”

    You mean I actually believe Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri: “The people oppose the Israeli fighter planes with their bodies alone. I think this method has proven effective
    against the occupation.”

    And the Hamas calls for its civilians to ignore Israeli warnings and stay put when they knew that Israel was going to bomb rocket launching sites because Israel sent them voice messages in advance. And the Hamas thugs forcing fleeing civilians back into harm’s way I saw on TV.

    “So who exactly is bombing schools again?”

    I haven’t seen any evidence that Israel has deliberately bombed a school, Wanky Poon’s comments notwithstanding.

    Anyone with an ounce of sympathy for Palestinian civilians would be pressuring Hamas to stop rocketing Israel, surrender its weapons and start looking after its own people.

  105. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 4, 2014 6:42 pm

    “Let me repeat … “

    Repeat it all you like. If you can’t se that that quote does not refute my point then I’m afraid I can’t help you further.

  106. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 4, 2014 6:45 pm

    “There are better ways than killing children!”

    Tell Hamas that. They are the ones responsible for the deaths.

  107. August 4, 2014 6:46 pm

    “I haven’t seen any evidence that Israel has deliberately bombed a school,”

    I guess it must’ve been “an accident…”

  108. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 4, 2014 7:01 pm

    I haven’t seen any evidence that Israel deliberately targeted the school. The rocket didn’t hit the school. One report says that Israel targeted three PIJ terrorists on a motorbike on the road outside the school. I’d need a lot more evidence before I would say that Israel deliberately targeted the school.

  109. August 4, 2014 7:12 pm

    “Israel targeted three PIJ terrorists on a motorbike on the road outside the school.”

    Hint: When you’re weapon is a hammer, everything looks like a nail..

    A motorbike FFS.

  110. August 4, 2014 7:15 pm

    Funny How Israel’s major export is military hardware and software.. Jewish business is amongst the most powerful in terms of capital on the planet….. What does Palestine do again? I would never takes sides as I think like the whole religious debate they are all just as bad as one another..

    One thing I do see though is on one side slingshots and pebbles and on the other; 500 million dollar helicopter gunships pulverisingly justified by extensive multinational media conglomerates ….

    Splatter the word dissident and Terrorist are Synonyms for bigotry.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    August 4, 2014 7:17 pm

    If you can’t se that that quote does not refute my point then I’m afraid I can’t help you further.

    And I cannot help you with the obvious … none so blind – as a Brandis …

    This won’t inform you either but I post it ..

    Among those killed were 398 children, 209 women and 74 elderly men. There were also 64 soldiers and three civilians killed on the Israeli side.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/israeli-bombardment-claims-lives-gaza-20148372122193560.html

    The problem with blind faith is that it can’t see …

  112. August 4, 2014 7:23 pm

    Hey Splatter if you believe Bandis’s free speech explanation like the human shield thing..here is some more easter bunny stuff from possibly the most hypocritical and brazen racist ideologue ever to pull on a fibertal guernsey.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/08/04/predicting-future-crime-land-free-bigot

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 4, 2014 8:06 pm

    I heard an interview recently, Israel was referred to being both David and Goliath.

    Bullying or overreacting towards the minute Gaza, but with genuine security and survival concerns with its larger neighbours. It makes sense to me.

    It’s an intractable problem.

  114. Meta permalink
    August 5, 2014 1:21 am

    (Hit me with your intractable stick, map it, map it, hit me slowly, hit me quick)

  115. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2014 8:36 am

    Bed Pann Rowbotham’s article is incoherent. It doesn’t present a logical argument. As best I can make out he is saying that he doesn’t know much about the Australian system but you can bet it is in some (unspecified) way like some (unspecified) part of the US system. And if ASIO suspects someone is a terror supporter they should not take a look at them until after they prove the suspect is a terrorist.

  116. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2014 8:39 am

    TB, according to your method, the US were the bad guys in WWII – just look at the relative body count.

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2014 8:44 am

    reb, so far we know:

    1. Israel did not target the school.
    2. Israeli rockets did not hit the school.
    3. Palestinians were firing mortars from the street outside the school.
    4. The terrorists were rocketed in the street outside the school.
    5. In that case the only people committing war crimes were the Palestinian terrorists.

    Why the haste to bash Israel before the evidence is in?

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:03 am
  119. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:38 am

    TB, according to your method, the US were the bad guys in WWII – just look at the relative body count.

    How many Russians died and Chinese died in WWII? Check your facts, sb …

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:39 am

    5. In that case the only people committing war crimes were the Palestinian terrorists.

    Why the haste to bash Israel before the evidence is in?

    … amazing statement …

  121. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:41 am

    “One thing I do see though is on one side slingshots and pebbles and on the other; 500 million dollar helicopter gunships pulverisingly justified by extensive multinational media conglomerates ….”

    That just demonstrates the stupidity of Hamas.

    Kinda like provoking a fight then screaming how unfair it is after you realise you have taken a knife to a gunfight.

  122. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2014 9:56 am

    “multinational media conglomerates””

    You mean the Murdoch Mulitnational Media, Mining, Manufacturing and Military Conglomerate I trust.

    Is Fox News on Channel 666 ?

  123. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 5, 2014 10:02 am

    “Kinda like provoking a fight then screaming how unfair it is after you realise you have taken a knife to a gunfight.”

    It is even worse than that – Hamas knows it can’t win militarily. It knows that it can gain a propaganda advantage by having its civilians killed. That is why it provoked this conflict in the first place by firing rockets into Israel.

  124. August 5, 2014 10:40 am

    Now Scott like all Fiberals wants a “re interpretation” and a rules change to suit their ideology and political advantage…

    We don’t need an election, we need and exorcism.. SWcotty is pure unbridled satanic evil..

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/scott-morrison-calls-for-reinterpretation-of-refugee-convention

  125. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2014 2:59 pm

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2014 4:02 pm

    RP, that’s not a re-interpretation that’s a me-interpretation with Scott Morrison being the me … I wonder how much all these HC cases are costing the taxpayer?

    Has Cost Benefit Analysis been conducted …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    TR, very, very clever interpretation and analysis of history … however, I doubt the true believers would comprehend the meaning …

  127. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2014 4:33 pm

    “Has Cost Benefit Analysis been conducted … ”

    Having had many dealings (when he was practising Commercial Law) with Human Rights Lawyer George Newhouse (remember he stood for the ALP against Malcolm Turnbull I think in 2010) I can assure you he would have his sums done $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  128. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2014 4:41 pm

    “Not only insulting to anyone WITH intelligence but also to anyone who suffers mental instability … typical of supporters of this particular government …”

    What a stoopid thing to say.

    Brandis has not said he supports bigotry just the right of someone to be one FFS.

    Just I like on a much more micro scale I support the Blues but at the same time support your right to support the Maroons if I really have to make it that bloody simple for a simpleton

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2014 6:30 pm

    Brandis has not said he supports bigotry just the right of someone to be one FFS.

    Just I like on a much more micro scale I support the Blues but at the same time support your right to support the Maroons if I really have to make it that bloody simple for a simpleton

    Awful analogy …

    Football doesn’t “interest” everyone – and its supposed to be “entertainment” – nothing more …

    Bigotry can destroy people’s life, livelihood and family …

    You and sb have just demonstrated a primitive belief rather than an intellectual understanding of just what bigotry is …

    Bigotry isn’t you calling me a canetoad and me calling you a cockroach … bigotry is much deeper than that …

    And the subtlety (that Brandis and you don’t get) is that I don’t take offence at you calling me a simpleton (I laugh in your face) … but others would …

  130. Walrus permalink
    August 5, 2014 6:37 pm

    “……….. just demonstrated a primitive belief rather than an intellectual understanding of just what bigotry is … “”

    We are not discussing what or what is not Bigotry so don’t keep taking it on another tangent. We are discussing your stoopid interpretation of what Brandis actually said and your claim that he supports bigotry.

    No wonder we try to keep it simple for you but even that fails

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2014 6:46 pm

    We are not discussing what or what is not Bigotry so don’t keep taking it on another tangent. No wonder we try to keep it simple for you but even that fails

    You really are an accountant aren’t you, Wally …

    If you SUPPORT something you AGREE with it!

    And to “support” or “agree” with it you have to understand what it means … you and Brandis obviously don’t understand bigotry!

    bigotry

    /ˈbɪgətri/

    noun

    noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries

    intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself.

    synonyms: prejudice, bias, partiality, partisanship, sectarianism, discrimination, unfairness, injustice;

    More
    intolerance, narrow-mindedness, fanaticism, dogmatism;

    racism, racialism, sexism, heterosexism, homophobia, chauvinism, anti-Semitism, jingoism;

    Jim Crowism

    antonyms: tolerance

    Its my guess you can’t distinguish between empathy and sympathy either …

    Out of your depth … about to drown I’d say …

  132. August 5, 2014 7:13 pm

    A leadership call.. national unity no fucking way ideologue Brandis gets his little indulgence….

    Sorry Splatter Ill conceived and stupid..

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-dumps-controversial-changes-to-18c-racial-discrimination-laws-20140805-3d65l.html

  133. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 9:21 am

    “”If you SUPPORT something you AGREE with it!””

    That is not what you originally said and you know it.

    But rather than simply pausing and offering clarification you just keeeep going “Look Over There”.

    Keep on running Chicken Little.

    Oh did you notice Mike Carlton resigned over his article and its accompanying cartoon in the SMH a couple of Saturdays ago.

    Whilst I did not agree with his article or his views in any way I support his right to say what he said.

    Is that simple enough for ya stoooooooooooooooooooopid ?

    Keep on running Chicken Little

  134. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:31 am

    (Stand up for semiotics. Last minute change of venue: Dudley Page Reserve, Military Road, Dover Heights, New South Wales 2030.)

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