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Abbott Govt Abandons Plans to Amend Racial Discrimination Act

August 5, 2014

 

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In a rare and unprecedented display of common sense, Prime Minister Tony Abbott has dumped plans to water down the Racial Discrimination Act so vehemently championed by the Attorney General George Brandis.

The extraordinary backflip has been positioned as “an attempt to preserve national unity” as the Prime Minister simultaneously pursues a vast expansion of Australian anti-terrorism powers, including lowering the threshold for arrests and forcing people to prove they were not involved in hostile activities overseas.

The prime minister said the government would also begin discussions with telecommunications providers on a mandatory data retention scheme to require the storage of consumers’ metadata for a specified period of time.

He announced a package of significant changes to national security laws on Monday as part of the government’s response to the risks posed by Australians travelling to Syria and Iraq to engage in fighting and then returning home.

Abbott said the government would engage in “ever closer consultation” with communities, including the Muslim community, as everyone needed “to be part of team Australia”.

Among the measures to be included in the bill to be presented to parliament after the winter break will be a new offence of travelling “to a designated area where terrorist organisations are conducting hostile activities unless there is a legitimate purpose”. The foreign affairs minister, Julie Bishop, will have the power to designate those locations.

As a result the government would be dropping its long-promised but highly controversial changes to the Racial Discrimination Act.

“I don’t want to do anything that puts our national unity at risk at this time so those proposals are now off the table,” Abbott said, portraying it as a “leadership call” he had made after discussions with the cabinet on Tuesday.

The move has already attracted the outrage and disdain of Andrew Bolt, confirming that it must indeed, be a good thing.

 

 

 

 

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  1. August 5, 2014 4:56 pm

    A German parliamentary study found that data retention increased the crime clearance rate by… 0.006% http://bit.ly/gtqo9v

  2. Tom R permalink
    August 5, 2014 6:30 pm

    Wow, tabot shows common sense 😯

    Or does it just prove that credlin isn’t a moron ❓

    “I don’t want to do anything that puts our national unity at risk

    Mind you, when the insanity resumes, that line might get a bit of run 😉

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2014 6:35 pm

    As a result the government would be dropping its long-promised but highly controversial changes to the Racial Discrimination Act.

    Sounds like a deal to me …with his Cabinet!

    “I don’t want to do anything that puts our national unity at risk at this time so those proposals are now off the table,” Abbott said, portraying it as a “leadership call” he had made after discussions with the cabinet on Tuesday.

    Does that mean he’s going to address the Budget damaging poor people, pensioners, unemployed and learners at all levels …

    Fkn amateur …

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    August 5, 2014 6:38 pm

    Wow, tabot shows common sense

    No such thing … TR … this is simply learned behaviour … based on voter polls …

    … I just hope voters can keep up the passion … that … based upon my observation of learned behaviour … is virtually impossible …

  5. August 5, 2014 6:49 pm

    My heart just goes out George Brandis at this difficult time.

  6. egg permalink
    August 5, 2014 6:57 pm

    ‘Does that mean he’s going to address the Budget damaging poor people, pensioners, unemployed and learners at all levels …’

    Yes, Abbott and Hockey have been walking around with big sticks to impress their mates, always knowing a hostile senate would be a policy softener.

    A lot will go into the bottom draw until the next election.

  7. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 7:50 am

    Tell us something we don’t know

    Sorry, Treasurer, but your tax figures are a long way wide of the mark

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/sorry-treasurer-but-your-tax-figures-are-a-long-way-wide-of-the-mark-20140805-3d6mq.html

  8. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 8:08 am

    So, tabot is “leading” by keeping mum?

    Instead of backing or back-tracking on the changes to the RDA – advanced in the name of freedom of speech – he made a “leader’s call” to ditch them because of their possible impact on terror laws that could potentially impinge a whole range of different freedoms and rights.

    We still don’t know whether Abbott agrees with George Brandis that we all have the right to be bigots, only that the laws constraining our ability to insult or offend on the grounds of race are to be retained for now because the government itself doesn’t want to offend ethnic community groups whose support will need for its anti-terror campaign.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/05/team-australia-need-told-more-these-policies

  9. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 8:25 am

    Political correctness on racial vilification issues should be kept in place, its generally worked well. It will serve us well into the future when there are more Chinese and Indians on this island than European types.

  10. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 8:46 am

    A change of tune grodo?

    Speaking of which, I haven’t seen many articles using the word “back-flip” when reporting on this … back-flip

    Also, is anyone able to locate the link between allowing people to abuse others simply because of their race, and the Government retaining reams of totally innocent peoples data in order to “protect” us?

    There must be a link there somewhere?

  11. Meta permalink
    August 6, 2014 9:09 am

    (Correct. All good anti-terror campaigns sponsored by TA’s Team Australia need to be alert to radicalisation and militarisation of public anti-anti-terror campaigns, lest Oz become a magnet for alarmist solution-reaction-problems.)

  12. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 9:13 am

    ‘A change of tune grodo?’

    Freedom of speech is great, but ordinary folk tend to speak their minds too freely, without restraint. Its important that they have limitations.

    You can see how sexism has been practically eliminated with legal restriction and the same goes for racial vilification. Just imagine what our society would be like without restraint, not pretty.

  13. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 9:18 am

    lest Oz become a magnet for alarmist solution-reaction-problems.

    Over here we call them “Liberals” Meta 😉

    egg the weather vane ❓

  14. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 9:35 am

    I see the oz is representing a backflip as “Brave Sir Robin”

    Carlton has a dummy spit, which looks like it will free him up for many more dummy spits

  15. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 10:00 am

    ‘egg the weather vane’

    Tinkering with societal norms is productive for humanity, good habits are worthwhile. Suppressing natural instincts on racial difference should be easily achievable through education.

  16. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 10:02 am

    “”I see the Murdoch rags outdo themselves for vindictive sleaze and bullying this morning. Scum””

    LOL @ Mike Carlton. Talk about dishing it out and not being able to cop some back.

    The extent of the Murdoch “vindictive and bullying”‘amounts to republishing Carltons bullying tweets and emails to SMH readership.

    What a childish idiot he has become

  17. Meta permalink
    August 6, 2014 10:06 am

    (Sharri seems nice enough; for a real journo/ shocktrooper in the media wars.)

  18. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 10:08 am

    ‘What a childish idiot he has become’

    He’s part of the left’s intellectual elite.

  19. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 10:13 am

    “He’s part of the left’s intellectual elite.”

    There is nothing intellectual about him Eqq.

    And he has a rather elite manner of dealing with critics.

    Plus he allowed his column to appear beside a disgusting rascist cartoon that Fairfax had to apologise for.

    But not him

  20. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 10:13 am

    Ambush

    Heheheheheheh

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 10:34 am

    It is dumbfuck leftists who want censorship. The precious little dears can’t handle criticism. They should follow Conroy’s example and cover their ears with underpants.

  22. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 10:50 am

    ‘Shadow Parliamentary Secretary Ed Husic insisted the government should not be congratulated for its backflip.

    “It isn’t about the good in their hearts it’s about the fear in their eyes,” he told Sky News this morning.’

    Daily Terror

  23. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 10:55 am

    “It isn’t about the good in their hearts it’s about the fear in their eyes,”

    A great line. It is probably a backdown knowing they could not get the change through the Senate.

  24. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2014 10:56 am

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mike-carlton-resigns-from-the-sydney-morning-herald-20140806-100w1u.html

    Mike Carlton has resigned as a columnist for The Sydney Morning Herald.
    Sean Aylmer, Fairfax Media’s director of Business Media, said Carlton resigned on Tuesday night when told he was about to be suspended for using “inappropriate” and “offensive” language during correspondence with Herald readers.

    That’s pretty funny really.

    I used to like Mike Carlton, but like so many of the committed left (and right), their opinions are entirely predictable, their wit well worn. They prefer to abuse to having their opinions analysed.

    It’s best that he’s gone, the SMH will be a better newspaper without him.
    —————
    …and by the way, what a worthless rag The Age is these days. I only buy it because I prefer to have a some diversity, it certainly isn’t worth the subscription.

  25. August 6, 2014 11:02 am

    “what a worthless rag The Age is these days”

    How very dare you! The Age is my favourite newspaper! Although The Guardian is also excellent.

  26. Meta permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:12 am

    (A non-intellectual, Leftie, anti-Semitic loony probably never was going to, and probably never would, stfu in accession to corporate and etcetera and etectera pressures extrinsic to conscience, judging by the tweetstream of abuse.)

  27. August 6, 2014 11:19 am

    I see the usual fart bubbles from those who attached the act to free speech and censorship with, not unlike Bandis, no plausible factual reason to make such a tenuous connection.

    Its simple. The act was put there when racism and vilification was at its height.
    Here are the facts..

    1:
    Bandis was not asked by anybody (public submissions, flooding of the courts..ect) to change this until the Dolt case who was found to be guilty. No doubt he was..His article, its premise and lies contained therein was a shock brand piece designed to sell news corpse rags.

    2:
    Bandis saw Dolt as essential to them winning government.
    3:
    The act works fine and has done since its inception, its a yardstick for people to adhere to..all except Dolt who is so pissed on popularity he thinks he is above the law like Jones . They wasnt a licence to say whatever they want and call it free speech while they get paid handsomely to do so.
    4:
    This is about Bandis on a crusade of ideology unbefitting an attorney general. His party room has gone ballistic from the backlash and his little crusade has cost the taxpayers a bomb when we apparently are in emergency…

    5:
    Bandis is not a very good lawyer (I fucking loathe lawyers for a start) His reasoning and ability was overshadowed by his radical neocon ideology. This was a crusade Pythonesque in its execution…

    6: Most of the people who are prattling on with the “Libertarian Lie” free speech mantra get paid for their speech.. IPA, TIM WILSON, DOLT..ect. Most of the jouno’s in the country are quite happy to adhere to the current act which is a plimsoll line of reasonable decency and impending litigation… Its the Commentators, opinionists and lobbyists that hijacked this issue…

    Splatter critique will thrive and prosper it will just not take the for of personal racial vilification based upon lies for self serving individuals like most of the maggots feeding of the rotting corpse that constitutes this current government.

    I now see that the government is trying the Bush approach of scaring voters into a sense of “Jihad is imminent ” and we will save you as their next tactic. Bandis is being exposed for what he is a hypocritical ideologue.. Libertarian one minute oppressor of human rights the next.. homeland security here we come. Any fuctard that could argue that existing laws in this regard needs their head read..

    Australias are amongst the most stringent in the world..Lock up for 7 days without a phone call anybody? Remember OPEC and the GAMES?

  28. Meta permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:23 am

    (Such a shame…for readers and subscribers…

    “The Sydney Morning Herald is reportedly working in overdrive to save its plummeting subscriptions, with readers appalled at the Herald’s coverage of the Israeli/Gaza conflict.”)

  29. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:25 am

    “Here are the facts..

    Tooooo funny. Leftists and facts do not mix.

    I started to read your stuff but it was too long and boring so i fell asleep.

    Please make your points more readable and too the point.

  30. Meta permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:25 am

    (Take 2

    Such a shame…for readers and subscribers…

    “The Sydney Morning Herald is reportedly working in overdrive to save its plummeting subscriptions, with readers appalled at the Herald’s coverage of the Israeli/Gaza conflict.”)

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:26 am

    What a childish idiot he has become

    But still not as bad as Alan Jones or Michael Smith … and they haven’t walked yet … oh wait Smith was fired from 4BC and escaped south … to fire up again … friend of KJ’s, too I believe …

    They prefer to abuse to having their opinions analysed.

    I can relate to that, ToM, having been called a simpleton only last night … and then proved correct on a government backflip later …

    And then there is this from the Foreign Minister …

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop on Tuesday condemned the attacks, describing them as “shocking”, and said she was “deeply troubled by the suffering being endured by the Palestinian population in Gaza”.

    My words too, Jules, “indefensible” … defended by some here though … analysing my opinions … using the term … what was it … brown-shirt as I recall …

  32. Meta permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:27 am

    (Tooooo funny. Leftists and facts do not mix.

    I started to read your stuff but it was too long and boring so i fell asleep.

    Please make your points more readable and too the point.

    TLDR)

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:28 am

    Ooops …

    My words too, Jules, “indefensible” … defended by some here though … analysing my opinions … using the term … what was it … brown-shirt as I recall …

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:29 am

    … so i fell asleep.

    And here you are, Kneel, sleepwalking again …

  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:32 am

    As I read it, it wasn’t “pressure” so much as gloating in the Oz today. I feel sorry for Carlton who was once extremely funny most of the time. These days he is reduced to droning clichéd bombast, with maybe one or two columns a year that are actually funny.

    When it comes to demented leftists I prefer Bob Ellis who, although a nutter, at least writes well.

  36. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:41 am

    So Carlton can allow his column to stand beside a rascist cartoon reminiscent of the Nazi era but we are not allowed to see what Bolt actually wrote.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:45 am

    Yes, The Age is a low grade rag. It is now printed so far out of Melbourne that any news that occurred before 10pm the day before is unreported.

    My favourite example of its sensationalism was the front page report on climate change/rising sea levels. The article was accompanied by a photo of Kiribati gents up to their thighs in water. They seemed to have waded into a lagoon.

    However The Age used the image to (appear to) suggest that the Pacific Ocean had risen 2 feet!

    I hadn’t noticed this on my own visits to coastal areas.

    The Age is a sensationalist rag and oddly it is the ABC that occupies a similar demographic and is putting it out of business, with all its free news access. That won’t stop left types blaming Murdoch.

  38. Meta permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:47 am

    (Does this anti-Semitic Carlton bloke ever stfu? Nobody wants to read about your whining, unapologetic, unfair and unbalanced right of reply at the Guardian.)

  39. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:50 am

    Fairfax is doing what the ALP has already done. Abandoned the Centre in its pitch to the hipster digital media Twitterati and has answered the Siren’s call of the extreme Green Left.

    Strangely this leaves the Murdoch Press sitting closer to the Centre than Fairfax now is

  40. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 11:59 am

    “The Age is a sensationalist rag and oddly it is the ABC that occupies a similar demographic and is putting it out of business”

    Poetic justice.

  41. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 1:00 pm

    ‘A great line. It is probably a backdown knowing they could not get the change through the Senate.’

    That’s true and its a good thing too, the Chinese are coming in large numbers and we cannot afford to upset them.

    Although the bill has gone into the bottom draw, its unlikely to be resurrected at the next election. Unity is all.

  42. August 6, 2014 1:50 pm

    Tooooo funny. Leftists and facts do not mix.
    I started to read your stuff but it was too long and boring so i fell asleep.
    Please make your points more readable and too the point.

    Firstly fucktard get this through your pea fucking brain.. I am centrist. I know you have trouble understanding the meaning of that term but look it up and fucking respect it you wingnutted parrot…

    Not all people who consider your facile factless flookery dogshit on the shoe of bloggery is left…

    This is the whole problem with the right welded dropkicks of low intellectual capital that you so readily embody.. not everyone that disagrees with your cut and paste lies is of the left… tosser 🙄

    Secondly… I Don’t expect you to understand something as complex as the issue of 18c, even though I have dumbed it down to base level..

    You just be happy on your run with Dolt and Murdochery with one ear glued to Ray Hadley version where they con you into believing its about libertarian versioned free speech when it so clearly is not……

    Thats about all you deserve. facts are irrelevant to imbecilic dickwad wingnuts like you who get bored over three words slogans….

    It is a shame about Carlton..

    He is a great writer who uses humor and irony well..but we live by our actions and his were not defendable. Unlike Dolt who has his minions answer for him…I guess that frees him up to write for the Sunday !!!

    Splatter Ellis is just depressing… I try to read him but its like reading a recurring infinite hate letter

  43. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 2:10 pm
  44. Mea Culpa permalink
    August 6, 2014 2:12 pm

    The question is, how did Murdoch get the job at Fairfax for his minion Darren Goodsir?

    “Mike regrets his behaviour and will be contacting affected readers to apologise.”

    Here’s Mike contacting his readers and demonstrating his regret:

  45. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 2:14 pm

    There “appears” to be a distinct lack of OUTRAGE over sweeping laws that “seem” to retain ALL users browsing history, unlike the tepid response when Labor introduced something vaguely similar that was optional and simply blocked certain sites.

    C’mon outragers, you can do it. Lift yer OUTRAGE meters. Else the nasty tewwowists will tewwawise

    .
    .

    Crickets ❓

  46. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 2:18 pm

    OK, we’re ALL tewwawists

    On Wednesday, Mr Abbott said the government’s plan to have metadata stored for two years could be used to fight ”general” crimes and not just in terror cases.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/data-storage-could-be-used-to-fight-general-crime-tony-abbott-says-20140806-3d78h.html

    Mind you, I’d love to see tabots browsing history. Idiots Guide to ‘teh intanets’

    ”It’s not what you’re doing on the internet, it’s the sites you’re visiting, it’s not the content, it’s the sites [where] you’ve been,’’ he told the Nine Network on Wednesday.

    (I know I only go on ‘teh intanets’ for the sites, not the content) 😯

    [facepalm]

  47. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 2:41 pm

    “it’s not the content, it’s the sites [where] you’ve been,’’

    To paraphrase: We can tell who the bad guys are because they visit certain sites, which will then attract content analysis.

  48. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 3:01 pm

    “The Government yesterday announced it would draft legislation to compel telephone and internet companies to keep metadata – the information on customers’ calls and internet use – for security agencies to access.

    This morning the PM said authorities would be able to see what internet sites people were viewing.

    But later he said the metadata to be collected would not include people’s browsing history.

    He used a metaphor to explain that “metadata is the material on the front of the envelope and the contents of the letter will remain private”.

    So if the metadata has the address of the site he can check the Wayback Machine to get the content at a given time.

  49. August 6, 2014 3:01 pm

    “it’s not the content, it’s the sites [where] you’ve been,’’

    What is a site without content?

  50. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 3:03 pm

    Not that it takes too much effort to guess the content of nunsanddonkeys.com.

  51. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 3:28 pm

    What is a site without content?

    http://www.liberal.org.au/real-solutions 😉

  52. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 3:37 pm

    ‘What is a site without content?’

    They know the content and wait to see who visits, like they do with child porn users.

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2014 3:41 pm

    Very funny Tom R

  54. August 6, 2014 3:45 pm

    #Jihad #commo #assasination #gaygoatporn ##ihave photosofbandissuckingoffpyne #abbotwastheseminaryspirmspitton #StrategicCommunicationsBranchareallcocksuckers

    there ya go Reb.. just doing my bit in helping the popularity of the Blog

  55. August 6, 2014 3:53 pm

    Splatter …(unless like me you use 2 proxies and encryption.. currently i’m in the states…

    Try browser version, page clicks, Ip address, downloads, uploads, time, date, duration, clickthroughs, file size, router data, wireless or fixed, carrier, bearer.. to name a few.. so Tony again is a fucking liar.

    This is all about the “Fear” strategy because nothing ios cutting now the Commo moment has worn off… standard teabag predictable operational bullshit.

  56. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 3:56 pm

    He used a metaphor to explain that “metadata is the material on the front of the envelope and the contents of the letter will remain private”.

    whew, we’re all safe. Except you Meta! You’re in their sites(?)

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2014 3:58 pm

    The last item is interesting … didn’t they just up the ante on “counter terrorism measures” to the tune of $162 million? …

    Priorities?

    AUSTRALIA’S immunisation program delivering lifesaving vaccines is among the targets of a secret hit list of $165 million in federal Budget cuts …

    … The cuts to more than 100 programs include healthcare, education, workforce training for aged care, family crisis support and even counter terrorism measures.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/treasurer-joe-hockey-prime-minister-tony-abbott-set-to-swing-the-budget-axe-against-111-programs/story-fnii5s3x-1227011367903

    … “and even counter terrorism measures” … was that cut going to be $3 million perhaps … ?

    eg $165 less $3 = $162 the remainder of the cuts that then syphon off to “even counter terrorism”?

    It is 2014 isn’t it?

    This government is becoming more paranoid as the weeks drag by …

  58. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 3:59 pm

    Meanwhile

    WHERE’S THE FUCKING OUTRAGE

    Oh yeah

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2014 4:01 pm

    Lift yer OUTRAGE meters.

    I’M FKN ANGRY, I TELL YA! WHERE WILL PIRATE BAY HAVE TO GO NEXT!

    … is it safe to say that still … ?

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2014 4:06 pm

    Just a follow up from my comment this morning … August 6, 2014 11:26 am

  61. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 4:09 pm

    So TB, they are cutting immunisation programs so they can spy on us all.

    Priorities calibration required it “seems”

  62. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 4:11 pm

    WHERE WILL PIRATE BAY HAVE TO GO NEXT!

    http://www.liberal.org.au/real-solutions

    No one will find it there 😉

  63. Tom R permalink
    August 6, 2014 4:23 pm

    Who’s this guy married to again?

  64. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:00 pm

    What does it matter anyway ?

    It just goes to show how stupid the former ALP government in NSW was in passing laws which could not in all practicality be enforced.

    All that happens now is that a NSW developer donates to the Federal Libs or Nats and the Fedaeral Libs or Nats donate an equivalent amount of money to the state Libs or Nats.

    How fucking obvious is that as a way of getting around the law? It’s hardly Einstein stuff

    And now we have the ridiculous situation where the Federal High Court is soon to decide whether the state laws passed by the dumb former NSW ALP are even legal or not.

    So we have ICAC investigating breaches of donation laws that in themselves might be illegal.

    How ridiculous is that and what a criminal waste of money ?

    I’d like to see 100% taxpayer funded political parties Federal and State.

    Keep everyone on the same playing field with Zero private donations

  65. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:04 pm

    So how many NSW Libs have resigned? I can’t keep up.

  66. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:07 pm

    “What does it matter anyway ?

    It just goes to show how stupid the former ALP government in NSW was in passing laws which could not in all practicality be enforced.”

    I think we are about to see the laws enforced.

    And even if you are right about the laws being easily evaded, it seems that quite a few NSW Libs were too dumb even to bother with that.

  67. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:10 pm

    And there is a whole lot coming out about the quid pro quo. Developers don’t donate without the expectation of financial gain. I reckon there will be a few charges based on improper influence.

    What a hopeless bunch of racketeers!

  68. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:11 pm

    And here’s why developers are getting mighty generous.

    At this rate the apartment market could well be saturated in say 5 years and lots of Chinese and other overseas investors are going to get mightily burnt if the AUD$ drops say 20% which is not beyond the realms of possibility.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/chinese-rush-for-australias-homes-is-here-to-stay-20140806-100vnc.html

  69. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:12 pm

    “”So how many NSW Libs have resigned? I can’t keep up.””

    I think there are now 7 on the crossbench plus one ex-premier who is still a member

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:13 pm

  71. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:16 pm

    “…seems that quite a few NSW Libs were too dumb even to bother with that.”

    Definitely

    But their great hope is that the High Court will declare the Laws themselves illegal.

    You cant prosecute someone for disobeying an unlawful law

    LOL

    Ridiculous situation I know

  72. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:29 pm

    It goes to their credibility and integrity. Who wants politicians who subvert laws designed to stop developers corrupting politicians (even if the laws are later overturned)?

    In NSW it seems politicians from both parties are deeply corrupt. Elections are only about whose turn it is to get their snouts in the trough.

  73. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:47 pm

    ‘and lots of Chinese and other overseas investors are going to get mightily burnt if the AUD$ drops say 20% which is not beyond the realms of possibility.’

    I cannot see it, could you elaborate on how the AUD$ could collapse under massive immigration?

    We have property bubbles in capital cities which is distorting the market, what is your solution? Clearly rising interest rates will not slow demand.

  74. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:58 pm

    “……could you elaborate on how the AUD$ could collapse under massive immigration?”

    Who said they are migrating Egg ?

    And an immigrant with $5M is not going to live in the average apartment worth $600K would they ?

    Stacks of apartments in Sydney have no one living in them. You can tell them at night. Unless they all hit the pillow as soon as the sun sets or they use candles.

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 6, 2014 5:59 pm

  76. August 6, 2014 6:02 pm

    “Clearly rising interest rates will not slow demand”

    This is true.

  77. August 6, 2014 6:04 pm

    “Stacks of apartments in Sydney have no one living in them. You can tell them at night.”

    Same thing here in Melbourne Walrus.

    Especially with penthouse apartments.

  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 6:09 pm

    I thought Carlton resigned. No tears for that conceited prat.

  79. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 6:10 pm

    ‘Who said they are migrating Egg ?’

    Yeah, I now see the difference.

    ‘Migrants born in China were the second largest overseas-born population group in Sydney, at 4% of Sydney’s total population in 2011 (147,000 people).

    ‘Sydney suburbs where Chinese-born migrants made up the largest proportion of the population included Hurstville (36%), Rhodes (29%), Burwood (28%) and Allawah (24%) in the city’s south and west. In the city centre, Ultimo and Haymarket also had relatively large populations of Chinese-born migrants (both 22%).’

    ABS

  80. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 6:16 pm

    I like Chinese.

  81. Walrus permalink
    August 6, 2014 6:23 pm

    “Carlton lashes Israel, is branded an anti-Semite & loses his job.”

    Wrong !

    Carlton told various SMH customers (readers) to fuck off .

    That’s why he lost his job.

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 6, 2014 6:23 pm

    https://twitter.com/beneltham/status/496915321966444544

  83. August 6, 2014 6:24 pm

    “Carlton told various SMH customers (readers) to fuck off .”

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that….

  84. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 6, 2014 6:44 pm

    True. Any cretin who reads the SMH needs to be told that and a whole lot more.

  85. August 6, 2014 6:50 pm

    True. The Australian is so much better.

  86. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 6:58 pm

    From Kitty’s link….

    “We have been contacted by many IPA members who are also Liberal Party members who have said they will resign their membership from the Liberal Party over this broken promise from the government,” he told Fairfax Media.

    “The feeling from many supporters of the Coalition is a combination of deep sadness and disappointment and white hot anger.”

    Red necks should form their own party.

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2014 7:16 pm

    Red necks should form their own party.

    That’s what they did in Queensland …

    It’s called …

    The Liberal National Party … 🙂

  88. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2014 7:53 pm

    Richard Carlton is a mirror image of Bolt, he’s just as narrow minded, self important and spiteful. I’m happy to see him gone.

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    August 6, 2014 7:58 pm

    Watch the REAL Team Australia!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/passenger-fails-to-mind-the-gap-at-stirling-train-station-commuters-work-together-to-free-him/story-fnii5thn-1227015379624

    Brilliant!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So you’ll want to see Alan Jones gone too, ToM?

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 6, 2014 8:22 pm

    I can’t stand Alan Jones. I lived in Sydney for years and could never understand how he rated there, he’s a tool.

    It’s a credit to Melbourne that he’s not broadcast here, he wouldn’t make it.

  91. August 6, 2014 8:59 pm

    Another IPA fail..at least we know where the rednecks go for a rub and tug…if all those fucktards (including all the asscheese wizzers of the government) left the Liberal party..surely it would be better for the country? If the real Liberals gained control of the Liberal party from the right wing teabagging neocon fruit pickers maybe some sanity may prevail….

    I’m just wondering what all these tosspots are scared about..they wait around waiting for Jones and Bolts lips to move and grab the terragraph before they can think..much less string a coherent sentence together and “freely speak”…

    Brandis This morning describing what he thinks he wants to do in regard to his new IT Buzz word “Meta Data”.. it was like listening to him explain quantum physics… revealed for the evil cunt he is. I am absolutely convinced that this government lives from minute to minute in regard to formulation of policy..

    http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2014/s4062250.htm

    http://s123.photobucket.com/user/rickypann/library/Baddies

  92. egg permalink
    August 6, 2014 9:44 pm

    ‘I am absolutely convinced that this government lives from minute to minute in regard to formulation of policy..’

    I’m not, they are doing fine two years out from an election.

  93. August 6, 2014 11:41 pm

    Yeah They are a Pillar of achievement Egg.. That 18c idea just like the “Terrorists under the bed Metadata stupidity… and the commision of audit is just so well thought out with all those scientific recommendations…

    1: Budget Rolled
    2: Broken promises by the dozen
    3: Huge Hole in their forward estimates
    4: unnecessary Reforms to Racial laws
    5: Rollback of Financial advice safeguards
    5: Workchoices Mk3
    6: War on the Unemployed
    7: War on Pensioners
    8: Big new Tax
    9: Hanging Youth out to dry
    10.Destroyed the Renewable sector
    11.Did exactly what they said they would not
    12 Unemployment up with cuts to tafe and University
    13 Nowhere on education

    Fine? idiot 🙄

  94. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 4:01 am

    (Incidentally, reader Austen seems like a bit of a hoot to have hanging around prominently in/on Carlton’s timeline, at least to this gentile. After all, what’s to question or even to anti-intellectually ponder about a quintessentially-Team-Aussie volunteer-warrior-returnee?)

  95. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:34 am

    whew, we’re all safe. Except you Meta! You’re in their sites(?)

    Proudly packet-duplicated by NoSuchAgency since at least ’99.

    Given the exponential growth in online activity and/or persistent threat of errant plumbers in the system, though, it’s perhaps becoming a bit expensive and/or a bit difficult to secure off the books; and it is probably easier just to blur the lines just a little more to buy’n’sell the total package of system-of-systems upgrades as needful for public safety and/or threat prophylaxis, all in the public and/or national interest, of course. Hey ho, off we go, mandatory bans on whistleblow-leak-criminals, legitimate(d) mass surveillance, threat levels set at/to the usual shun’n’stun, what warranted warrantless fun!)

  96. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:48 am

    ‘Fine?’

    Yep he’s on track to win the next election.

  97. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 7:07 am

    (Actually, for any who haven’t seen it, David Pope’s take on the Esteemed Brandis’s team Australia: and, no, you don’t want to ask about borrowing privileges.; and, no, you don’t want to ask why mid-level librarians from a veritable united nations of nominally outward-looking libraries routinely are seconded to just-over-the-border Toronto for joint-library-internship-and-book-swapping parties.)

  98. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 8:06 am

    I think this sums up both brandis’ “metadata” and our own Meta quite nicely. Especially the ladies closing remarks (sorry Data Meta, too early to fully decrypt your statement @6:34 am, although the last line is pretty self explanatory 😉 )

  99. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 8:44 am

    Another outbreak of sanity. Mind you, this would be because it is the Dutch calling the shots, not dearleadertabot, as our papers were attempting to insinuate. I also note that tabot has abandoned responsibility when news is not good. That is what “leadership” is all about I guess?

    Either way, good news.

    In statements overnight, prime ministerial envoy Angus Houston and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte conceded that the insecurity of an intensifying separatist war in and around the search site made it impossible to continue.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-crash-australian-dutch-governments-halt-search-amid-worsening-fighting-20140807-10195n.html#ixzz39eDmFXYu

  100. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 8:46 am

    Surely we a re at the point where dearleader has “questions to answer”?

    An email shown at the inquiry suggested Loughnane – who is married to Tony Abbott’s chief of staff, Peta Credlin – agreed to filter banned donations through the Canberra-based Free Enterprise Foundation.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/06/liberal-brian-loughnane-allowed-banned-donation-nsw

  101. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 8:54 am

    One could be forgiven for thinking the following statement was from a certain enquiry into English newspapers.

    “It’s concerning that any person who is accused of leaking information in the public interest would be pursued by the government of the day,”

    Where is the Leftie outrage over people accessing other people’s private and confidential information.

    Where exactly are the howls of outrage.

    Oh that’s right I forgot the Left is now made up mainly of fucking hypocrites.

    If its their side its OK

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/former-librarian-charged-with-accessing-student-records-of-frances-abbott-20140807-1015uf.html#ixzz39eg62zxW

  102. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 9:06 am

    Where is the Leftie outrage over people accessing other people’s private and confidential information.

    Funny, most “lefties” seem to be quite happy with “whistleblowers” as a general rule. I don’t see to many arguing against wkilieaks?

    I DID see many non-lefties here OUTRAGED against internet filtering, who have remained largely silent on what the libs are doing now (I’m pretty sure there was OUTRAGE expressed by them when Labor tried it on also, but I wasn’t around then)

    I do know that I was not impressed when Labor did try it on, but the filtering issue was a vastly different thing to storing data.

  103. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 9:10 am

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/former-librarian-charged-with-accessing-student-records-of-frances-abbott-20140807-1015uf.html#ixzz39eg62zxW

    an unadvertised and very rare $60,636 scholarship to the Whitehouse Institute of Design

    Mind you, speaking of “questions to answer”, it appears that tabots offspring was the only student to have EVER received this particular “scholarship” as the owners offspring didn’t get a “scholarship”, just a free ride (fair enough, it is the owners kid). Very rare indeed.

    So, tabots kid gets a free ride, and tabot gives the school a free kick.

    “questions to answer” galore.

  104. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 9:27 am

    Government authorities can’t trawl through your computer speculatively for correspondence in which you reveal you are dealing with a mental health matter, because that’s none of their business without judicial authorisation. But it’s perfectly acceptable for them to access records showing you called Lifeline at 3am from a seaside lookout point, after recording five hours of transactions at a nearby bar, and repeatedly texting your ex-wife – all without a warrant.

    Metadata is, of course, just data. And the authorities want more of it.

    …………

    Hundreds of dollars per month in passed-on costs for Australian internet users. An unacceptable civil liberties violation, for the authorities to know everything about us – and that’s even before they accidentally out every gay guy in the country, in the inevitable leak of the database containing the date that every Australian Grindr user signed up. This proposal needs to be put away, forever, and quickly.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/06/you-want-my-metadata-george-brandis-get-a-warrant

    Mr Shorten appeared to launch a political attack: “Labor is firmly against a new internet tax.”

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2014/8/6/technology/data-retention-plan-wont-be-big-brother

    kick em while you can. It’s called pay back

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 9:28 am

    A comparison illustrates Walrus’ point.

    I recall a fair bit of ‘left’ outrage about leaking of private emails of climate scientists/researchers (demonstrating some questionable activity) at the University of East Angela.

    When publicly funded institutions manipulate their research with the objective of supporting predetermined positions, that’s worth blowing the whistle on.

    I don’t recall the ‘left’ quite seeing it that way.

    On the other hand, publishing the personal circumstances of a young woman (simply because she is a politicians daughter) is apparently whistle blowing in the public interest.

  106. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 9:47 am

    I don’t recall the ‘left’ quite seeing it that way.

    Well, for starters yomm, there are quite different things going on.

    The emails didn’t reveal anything you claim about manipulation, they in fact revealed nothing except frustrated scientists being harassed by the same kind of tools who stole the emails..

    Secondly, ALL of the emails were dumped, with no “context”, and contained many very personal and private discussions between people who were simply going about their jobs.

    Has what has been “accessed” to 500 students not related to the story been released?

    Did the person even “collect” anything not relevant to the specific search, that is, the fact that the PM’s daughter was in fact given an unprecedented scholarship? There is no evidence whatsoever that anything BUT that narrow field was collected (the potential was there, but it “appears” not to have been utilized, they were uncovering what actually occurred, in contrast to what we were being told)

    The Berkley release did not expose ANYTHING, except the private lives of scientists, whereas the more recent did expose the fact that tabots daughter got privileged treatment, in direct contrast to every statement that had been made to date, without exposing the private information that could have been nearby.

  107. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 9:50 am

    publishing the personal circumstances of a young woman

    Are you able to highlight the “personal” aspect you speak of?

    Do you not consider that a possible (probable) future PM’s daughter being given an unprecedented free position and then that very institution receiving an unprecedented political favour NOT in the public interest?

  108. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 9:57 am

    (Use of the scholarship trick to hide the decline in college fees most definitely is relevant to the CC debate.)

  109. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 10:07 am

    Use of the scholarship trick to hide the decline

    Perhaps their should have been no declines from the start. If only.

    Assurances by the Prime Minister that a $60,000 scholarship awarded to his daughter Frances on the basis of merit have been contradicted by testimony and documents obtained by New Matilda.

    And in breaking developments, the Australian Parliament’s Registrar of Members’ Interests has tonight also contradicted the Prime Minister over an explanation he provided earlier today about why he did not publicly disclose his daughter received the scholarship.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/05/21/leaked-documents-cast-doubt-abbotts-60k-scholarship-claims

  110. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 10:09 am

    In fact the climategate emails revealed that the authors were anything but scientists – conspiring to subvert the law (saying they would destroy documents before handing them ofer under FOI and various other tactics to avoid disclosure of the very material they would make available if they actually wanted to allow their work to be checked); conspiring to have other academics sacked as journal editors for publishing papers contrary to their prejudices; discussing the use of unscientific tricks to hide facts which do not support their case; discussing how they would redefine “peer review” so as to exclude from IPCC reports published papers they thought were unhelpful to their preconceived conclusions.

    Fools took no notice of the emails. Liars said stuff like:

    The emails didn’t reveal anything you claim about manipulation, they in fact revealed nothing except frustrated scientists being harassed by the same kind of tools who stole the emails..”

  111. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 10:17 am

    conspiring to subvert the law

    Are you able to back that up with evidence?

    The worst the scientists got was that they should play nicer with FOI requests. Mind you, the way FOI’s were being spammed at them, I wouldn’t have been quite as nice as they were.

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 10:22 am

    My recollection is that UAE researchers and their backers had a huge whinge about ‘privacy’ and ‘context’-when they were engaging in some activities that were (arguably) contrary to the public interest at public expense.

    I’m not entirely comfortable making the circumstances of the children of politicians into political issues. If there is some evidence that Abbott offered favourable treatment on the basis of the free tuition, then it’s a legitimate disclosure.

    If not, it’s just some meanspirited junior political game playing.

  113. August 7, 2014 10:33 am

    A comparison illustrates Walrus’ point.
    I recall a fair bit of ‘left’ outrage about leaking of private emails of climate scientists/researchers (demonstrating some questionable activity) at the University of East Angela.
    When publicly funded institutions manipulate their research with the objective of supporting predetermined positions, that’s worth blowing the whistle on.
    I don’t recall the ‘left’ quite seeing it that way.
    On the other hand, publishing the personal circumstances of a young woman (simply because she is a politicians daughter) is apparently whistle blowing in the public interest.

    Well in fact there is part of the problem…core to the issue of discourse at the moment… Inferring that it is just the left that believe in MMGW. I dont think it was the leaked emails it was quoting passages from them out of context then attributing the selected passages as supporting evidentiary proof of some great fraud. This is a completely different situation.

    If the scholarship was above board and all fair and reasonable , why arc up. The problem here is quite apparent from a journalist’s POV. It is in the public interest that the PM’s daughter has received a scholarship based on quite average marks ahead of people in less privileged position in exchange for political favor. people are all members of the Fiberal social club jerk circle..lets not pretend any different…its a opportunistic political favor that Abbott was in full knowledge of. If he didn’t he is naive and brain dead (well e know thats true) This institution get federal funding and the circumstances around the scholarship are with a lightweight piss poor explanation. I myself received a scholarship and apart from having a HD average, had to jump through hoops in a very competitive process. This is further reinforced by the fact that she is working there still, not lecturing as an amazing example of design virtuosity.in the office as a general dogs body walming a chair.

    It is a very different circumstance to his other daughter working as a public servant (who may be unemployed soon).

  114. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 10:35 am

    If there is some evidence that Abbott offered favourable treatment on the basis of the free tuition, then it’s a legitimate disclosure.

    😯

    https://newmatilda.com/search/node/whitehouse

  115. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 10:37 am

    I’m not entirely comfortable making the circumstances of the children of politicians into political issues.

    Then politicians should be careful not to use their influence for them and then refuse to disclose said influence.

    It’s not the daughters fault her old man is a dick. It is just her bad luck really.

  116. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 10:38 am

    (Alternatively, pecuniary interest registers exist and require full disclosure(s) for a reason, have a basis independent of any sentimental politics, and shouldn’t be gamed at all.)

  117. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 10:40 am

    and shouldn’t be gamed at all.

    Peddling for pollies is no game!

  118. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 10:52 am

    Phil Jones (Head of the Climate Research Unit at UEA) on how to comply with an FOI request:

    Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4 [UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment

    Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar [Ammann] to do likewise. I see that CA [the Climate Audit Web site] claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!

    Mann on making sure your critics don’t get the data so they can’t check your work:

    And don’t leave stuff lying around on ftp sites — you never know who is trawling them. The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the file rather than send it to anyone.

    Here is some sound (but sadly unheeded) advice from the Met Office:

    Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the uncertainty and be honest. Phil [Jones], hopefully we can find time to discuss these further if necessary.

    Needless to say no such uncertainty was ever communicated. Here is Overpeck on the scientific method:

    The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guide what’s included and what is left out [of IPCC reports]…

  119. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:01 am

    ROFL splatter, that’s not evidence that they are conspiring to subvert the law . It is evidence that they are fucked off with certain individuals.

    This is precisely why the two have no similarity.

    You pretend snippets of emails, without context, are evidence of breaking the law. 😯

    Yet numerous investigations found nothing wrong with what the scientists were doing, except being petty and snarky. But, they were doing that with the assumption of privacy

  120. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:02 am

    for sp, who is living in an alternate reality

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_documents

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:08 am

    So…we have some publicly funded ‘researchers’ that get bothered with FOI requests, and who complain that climate reality doesn’t match their preferred outcomes.

    Identifying this is bad.

    A young woman is offered free tuition, probably in the hope that her name will enhance the reputation of the institution.

    Leaking her personal circumstances is good.

  122. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:08 am

    “Scientist at the heart of the ‘Climategate’ email scandal broke the law when they refused to give raw data to the public, the privacy watchdog has ruled.

    The Information Commissioner’s office said University of East Anglia researchers breached the Freedom of Information Act when handling requests from climate change sceptics.

    But the scientists will escape prosecution because the offences took place more than six months ago.”

    Keep (t)rolling.

  123. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:09 am

    (Although, as Prime Minister Abbott has so often said about so many arguably iffy things, some black-and-white and some grey and some as white and pure and fair dinkum as the snows of Kosciuszko, and about the not atypical “so what?” assurance(s) of immateriality post some revelation(s), “people will make their own judgements“.)

  124. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:17 am

    Scientist at the heart of the ‘Climategate’ email scandal broke the law when they refused to give raw data to the public, the privacy watchdog has ruled.

    Are you able to show where the prosecution for that offense is, or is this an “assumption” that they “broke the law”?

  125. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:26 am

    Tom R you have a bad case of invincible ignorance.

  126. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:38 am

    But the scientists will escape prosecution because the offences took place more than six months ago.

    So, an assumption then. Thanks for that.

    Considering that no emails were actually deleted (it is in the wiki with corresponding reference), as shown by the CRU, then all it was was a pissed off scientist venting.

    And you, years later, making a claim on an assumption because of the careless release of thousands of emails. Now you can understand why a scientist might make a claim like that.

    Meanwhile, tabot and the whitehouse institute have both been found to be lying about what took place, and nobodies private data has been released.

  127. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:39 am

    (The Information Commissioner’s office said [and I don’t quote, and I don’t quote in something which resembles a full sentence or more and therefore represents a full thought, and which isn’t a journalistic loophole, nor a caution, nor a caution apt for prompting further research, and which isn’t how I premise-is-its-own-conclusion people like N**l into repeating blah-blah said blah-blah as if it weren’t interpretative and is entirely factual and all in context exactly as if and exactly as blah-blah said it] University of East Anglia researchers breached the Freedom of Information Act when handling requests from climate change sceptics.)

  128. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:44 am

    and I don’t quote ………

    Nicely put Meta 🙂

  129. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:46 am

    Identifying this is bad.

    I’m pretty sure sp went beyond that yomm 😉

    A young woman is offered free tuition, probably in the hope that her name will enhance the reputation of the institution.

    Really, read the New Mathilda articles yomm, in the faint hope you’ll cease the stupid.

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:54 am

    Speaking of agendas in research institutions… I recall an exchange on Tim Dunlop’s blog.

    He and some others (that are still about) were lauding the research of union funded report by some people at the Sydney Uni.

    Tim invited one of the researchers to participate in the blog debate.

    It emerged that this peer reviewed report had omitted some interesting (but perhaps inconvenient) data.

    Even after all the union and political campaigns aimed at undermining confidence in AWAs – people on AWAs had more trust in their employer than those on other employment instruments

    Pesky probing about undisclosed data can be interesting.

  131. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:55 am

    ‘When publicly funded institutions manipulate their research with the objective of supporting predetermined positions, that’s worth blowing the whistle on.

    ‘I don’t recall the ‘left’ quite seeing it that way.’

    No they didn’t and before the blog police correct you … its East Anglia.

  132. August 7, 2014 11:56 am

    Jesus ToM you’re looking a bit worse for wear this morning!

  133. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:57 am

    Just as a matter of interest, I don’t discuss issues with links.

  134. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 11:58 am

    ** chuckle **

  135. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:08 pm

    What are all these blue “Like”thingies appearing below posts ?

    Cant we have a “Get Fucked” thingie as well ?

  136. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:08 pm

    (Alternatively, as I recall, someone was deploying kettle logic, again, and demanding that a researcher admit fallibility on two, mutually exclusive grounds; that someone was advised that a) undisclosed data was no such thing; b) more research would be required to test asserted propositions, which were intrinsically incompatible with each other and with an existing research design and even per even a proposed research redesign; and c) that either or both of the propositions asserted were simply unsupported and unsupportable using existing data, despite best attempts to manipulate it or to import other incompatible and/or untested data on an ad hoc basis; and then Tim got sick of it all.)

  137. August 7, 2014 12:11 pm

    Oh I like we have likes Reb.. anyway fuck climategate that is the real made up shit in regard to MMGW (shut the fuck up Egg) ;-(

    Back to that fucking crook Abbott….
    Good luck proving this.. A hack? she was the Librarian and had server access….I feel a big backfire comming on. Big campaign brewing to help her at my old alma mater

    http://utsvertigo.com.au/webexclusives/breaking-uts-student-charged-over-frances-abbott-scholarship-scandal/

  138. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:12 pm

    Cant we have a “Get Fucked” thingie as well ?

    Mike Carlton stole all the available ones

  139. August 7, 2014 12:14 pm

    What are all these blue “Like”thingies appearing below posts ?
    Cant we have a “Get Fucked” thingie as well ?

    ROTFL good one wally… here hear 🙂

  140. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:26 pm

    (Or, and more simply, ‘that’s what this research showed’; some ‘other research’ may or may not show something similar or different, but that would be ‘other research’; and no amount of wanting ‘this research’ to show a wanted conclusion for ‘that other research’ can perform ‘that other research’ work, nor yield a common-base comparative between ‘those researches’ before that work is actually done.)

  141. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:30 pm

    Tom R you are a magnificent troll.

    I said the climategate emails showed “scientists” conspiring to subvert the law (saying they would destroy documents before handing them ofer under FOI and various other tactics to avoid disclosure of the very material they would make available if they actually wanted to allow their work to be checked);

    I showed you the emails where they did just that.

    Now you argue that they didn’t actually delete the emails as if that makes any difference to the correctness of what I said. And, you argue, that it merely shows scientists venting.

    In case you have forgotten, here is the email again:

    Mike, can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4 [UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 4th Assessment

    Keith will do likewise. … We will be getting Caspar [Ammann] to do likewise. I see that CA [the Climate Audit Web site] claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!

    This looks like a desperate attempt to subvert the FOI laws, motivated by extreme fear that their critics might be on to them.

    This coupled with their intransigent behaviour shows them desperately trying to keep data out of the hands of potential critics. Which is the opposite of science.

  142. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:34 pm

    (Or it might be that before you give trillions of dollars to Chicken Little so he can stop the sky from falling it might be reasonable to ask him to show you the data and models on which he based his theory.

  143. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:43 pm

    I showed you the emails where they did just that.

    One scientist sent an inflamed email where it was obvious he was sick of the harassment. Conspiring would mean that others agreed with him. Considering that nothing was deleted, it appears that rather than conspiring, they actually talked him back down, or he got over the hissy fit himself.

    This looks like a desperate attempt to subvert the FOI laws, motivated by extreme fear that their critics might be on to them.

    Or it looks like a guy having a hissy fit.

    Yet you are able to insinuate and others that you link to are able to assume that they have indeed broken the law

    Which is why releasing thousands of emails without context to anyone is just wrong.

    Which is completely at odds with what happened with whitehouse-gate.

    Specific records were accessed (possibly legally even (?)) and specific information was released to a news outlet to publish if they wished.

    Vastly different, wouldn’t you say?

  144. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:45 pm

    (Under the precautionary principle, ‘I found an interesting email amongst thousands from a subset of climate researchers, that’s a good sample, therefore anthropogenic climate change probably doesn’t exist’ will go straight to the top of the reasonable pile, and all the other data, including the rather spiffy hybridised-model apt to be derived from the combined alternatives available at WUWWT can shuffle on down.)

  145. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:45 pm

    Meanwhile, back in the real world

  146. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:48 pm

    And ICAC just keeps heading in the wrong direction for the libs

    Liberal MP Andrew Cornwell admits taking $20k from property developers: ICAC
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liberal-mp-andrew-cornwell-admits-taking-20k-from-property-developers-icac-20140807-101b8l.html

  147. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:55 pm

  148. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:55 pm

    I’m entirely comfortable with pollies families being included in public scrutiny, there should be much more of it. They take from the public purse, they hide spousal investments (that should be shown on the pecuniaries register). They wield political influence behind the scenes on behalf of the politician. All “donations” to family should appear and be accountable to the public. There is not enough scrutiny of politicians activities in this country.

    The daughters freebie is political corruption especially as legislation for taxpayer funding of private schooling is being made which will directly benefit the donor.

    It’s not about the child it is the political graft.

    The case for merit doesn’t exist the daughter didn’t compete with anyone so merit was never proven. Abbott and daughter live a privileged lifestyle and ought to feel ashamed of grasping freebies that are not given to other more deserving students. One student was supported by the smith family FGS. It is pure corruption and something all of our politicians and their families take for granted. There should be a light shone on it all.

  149. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 12:57 pm

    ‘shut the fuck up Egg’

    You can go and get fucked too, I was talking to ToM.

  150. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:02 pm

    “Unemployment at 6.4%”

    Yes and it was at 4.3% in 2007 before you voted for Rudd.

    Do you care about people??

    TomR- you only care about the ALP. You voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

  151. Meta permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:05 pm

    (Do you care about people??

    Abbott isn’t a person.

    ABBOTT DELENDA EST)

  152. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:15 pm

    ABBOTT DELENDA EST

    ROFL

    Or.. The Laughter of … 🙂

  153. phill permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:16 pm

    Is there any chance you can remove the last post of Neil from Sydney?

    I am not corrupt or immoral it is offensive writ large,

  154. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:21 pm

    “Unemployment at 6.4%”

    Yes a pretty good result since Wayne Swan had predicted 6.5% by now

  155. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:22 pm

    Harden up Phil

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:31 pm

    (as I recall it Meta, the researcher at Sydney Uni provided a link to the questionnaire used in the research. One of the questions asked participants to rate their trust in their employer. During the blog exchange the answer to this question was provided. Amazingly, those on AWAs had more trust. The excuse was that it wasn’t particularly significant or relevant. How this judgement was formed was never explained, possibly because Tim Dunlop tried to avoid exposing the researcher to further embarrassment)

  157. August 7, 2014 1:36 pm

    Do people like the “Like”thing? I can add it back if you want.

    I like the idea of a “Get Fucked” one, but I can’t imagine WordPress introducing that one anytime soon.

  158. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:40 pm

    “Do people like the “Like”thing? I can add it back if you want.”

    Well it would keep TomR occupied all day clicking on his own posts I suppose

  159. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:42 pm

    ‘I am not corrupt or immoral it is offensive writ large’

    No, Neil exaggerates.

    Have we met? I sometimes go under the nom de plume of El Gordo.

  160. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:43 pm

    From Kitty’s Link……..

    “Secret departmental operations have estimated that as many as nine in 10 skilled migrant visas may be fraudulent, while an internal inquiry into Afghan visa applicants in 2012 assessed that more than 90 per cent of cases contained “fraud of some type” and raised “people smuggling, identity fraud, suspected child trafficking and national security implications”.

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Can someone tell me who was in government in 2012 ?

  161. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:44 pm

    “…Do people like the “Like”thing? I can add it back if you want…”

    I thought it was this borrowed iPad that I am using.

    No, don’t like it.

  162. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:57 pm

    ‘No, don’t like it.’

    They use it over at Nova and it helps commenters gauge whether they are in line with groupthink.

    I did alright for awhile, then became bored with the lack of robustness in the joint, so I began defending the right of a green leftoid blogger to talk arrant nonsense. He thanked me greatly and was gone, which was not my intention, and everyone else ignored me after that.

    So I’m with Kitty on this Like business.

  163. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 1:57 pm

    “No, don’t like it.”

    Yeah……………..but you don’t like anybody

  164. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 2:01 pm

    I tried to like my own comment, it didn’t work. It’s a conspiracy.

  165. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2014 2:03 pm

    “No, Neil exaggerates.”

    Egg i am obviously a Coalition supporter but not as strong as you might think. But i am anti-Labor. I stand by my comments.

    Most Labor supporters are total liars. So what am i supposed to do?

    I can agree to disagree with lots of people but the Labor supporters i met on blogs are an eye opener. In all my life i have never met a more dishonest, immoral corrupt and total dishonest people than Labor supporters. There is almost nothing they say i agree with.

    They are natural totalitarians. In six years Rudd/Gillard locked up more men, women and children asylum seekers than any govt in Australian history.

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

    Locking up people is a natural tendency of ALP/Greens/Communists.

    It is what they do.

  166. August 7, 2014 2:08 pm

    “and everyone else ignored me after that.”

    You don’t say..

  167. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2014 2:31 pm

    Dear AO/Kittylitter/Whatever

    Did you read your link? Did you clink on full article?

    http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/terror-touches-down-visa-fraud-migration-crime-rampant-immigration-department-files-reveal-20140806-3d8wj.html?skin=dumb-phone

    The leaked documents cover a period between 2008 and 2013 and consistently show far greater rates of migration fraud than has been publicly revealed, along with warnings that the department was failing to combat it.

    A 2010 report states that ”evidence uncovered to date indicates that fraud within the General Skilled Migration program is extensive with estimates at around 90 per cent [or] more than 40,000 suspect visa applications lodged per year for the last three years’‘.

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

  168. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 2:34 pm

    ‘You don’t say..’

    😉

  169. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 2:51 pm

    “THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE”

    Do you mean that the half of the population who voted for the ALP are corrupt and immoral? Really?

  170. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:08 pm

    Now here is another example of why we need to retain s.18C:

    Regular listeners to Gardeners’ Question Time may be horrified to discover it has been accused of peddling racial stereotypes.

    According to an academic, the sedate Radio 4 panel show is riddled with “racial meanings” disguised as horticultural advice.

    Dr Ben Pitcher, a senior lecturer in sociology at the University of Westminster, claimed the programme’s regular discussions on soil purity and non-native species promoted nationalist and fascist beliefs.

    The government should hold a Royal Commission onto gardening shows and they should also include the Greens in the terms of reference. I’m pretty sure their aversion to the “spread of invasive species” is nothing other than racist dog-whistling.

  171. armchair opionator permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:11 pm

    Barracker Neil can’t imagine that people can be dissatisfied with both parties. Also appears to think that I vote labor.

    wrong…again.

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:12 pm

    RE: Mr Abbott and Mr Brandis’ concept of retaining “metadata” for two years … (at enormous expense) …

    Will they also be opening every piece of snail mail, copying it and filing it for two years?

    Or are they so ignorant that they don’t realise the same information they “seek” can be communicated in many ways … what about CB radio, UHF/VHF?

    And someone accused me of being a “brownshirt” ‘tother day … extremes from left, centre or right of politics are just that … extremes …

    This government is actually trying to shut down communication within Australia …

    … from Operation Sovereign Border (and RAN ships that have cheaper GPS systems than my car – 7km over an international border if I recall …

    … the Manus Island riot and DIC …

    … to Joe Hockey refusing to answer why he believes a report about the budget is wrong that claims it will hit the poor more than anyone …

    … the government just lurches from lies at the very beginning of their tenure to lousy half baked policies, to lousy decision making, to lousy international relations, to lousy communication … and it seems lousy negotiation …

  173. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:15 pm

    “Do you mean that the half of the population who voted for the ALP are corrupt and immoral? Really

    I guess you have a point but that is my feelings right now.

    There is almost nothing an ALP supporters says i agree with. I am sick of being on one side of the fence all the time but what else can i do?

    It is the moral superiority of ALP supporters that drives me nuts. Furthermore most of them tell nothing but falsehoods. If they told the truth from time to time i might change my mind.

    Did you read the link that AO/Kittylitter gave?? It was about what happened from 2008-2013 and she was trying to lay the blame on Abbott.

  174. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:17 pm

    “Do people like the “Like”thing?”

    Any chance of a “lick” thing? If you put that under a pic of Bill Shorten’s arse Tom R will have a bad case of RSI in no time.

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:18 pm

    A hack? she was the Librarian and had server access….I feel a big backfire comming on. Big campaign brewing to help her at my old alma mater

    RP … I hope this continues to a jail sentence and THEN watch the feathers fly … the government will be swamped with not only civil libertarians but anyone who hates to see the upper strata get a free leg up in Australia’s “egalitarian” society …

    I do get the impression that people are beginning to smell shades of 1933 in all this shite!

    30th January 1933
    Hitler appointed Chancellor of Germany by President Hindenburg

    3rd February 1933
    Hitler defined the Nazi party foreign policy. The prime goal was to secure lebensraum (living space) for the German master race.

    27th February 1933
    The Reichstag Fire. A fire which broke out at the Reichstag building was blamed on the Communist Party (KPD). As a result the KPD, which was the second largest party in Germany, was banned. The banning of the Communist party gave the Nazis a clear majority in government.

    5th March 1933
    With the Communist party banned Hitler ordered a new election at which the Nazi party gained 44% of the General election vote.

    23rd March 1933
    Enabling Act gave Hitler power to make laws without consulting the Reichstag for a period of four years

    26th April 1933
    The Gestapo, Nazi secret police, were formed

    26th April 1933
    The Nazis took over local government

    2nd May 1933
    Trade Unions were banned

    10th May 1933
    25,000 ‘un-German’ books burned in an “Action against the Un-German Spirit”. The move was encouraged by Joseph Goebbels, Head of Propaganda.

    14th July 1933
    All political parties except the Nazis were banned

    October 1933
    Germany withdrew from the League of Nations

  176. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:20 pm

    Any chance of a “lick” thing?

    Who did you “conspire” with to come up with that sb ❓ 😆

  177. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:22 pm

    and lols 4 nil

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:23 pm

    “(Do people like the “Like”thing? I can add it back if you want.)”

    NO … clutterbuck ..

  179. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:29 pm

    TB, you are little overwrought with the Nazi comparison, especally now Conroy can’t introduce his press censorship laws.

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:30 pm

    I am sick of being on one side of the fence all the time but what else can i do?

    I have a number of good suggestions … just give me your email address … 🙂

  181. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:31 pm

    TB, you are little overwrought with the Nazi comparison, especally now Conroy can’t introduce his press censorship laws.

    Make yer mind up, sb, I was a brown-shirt Jew hater a couple of days ago …

  182. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:33 pm

    Conroy can’t introduce his press censorship laws.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    WHERE’S THE OUTRAGE!!

  183. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:34 pm

    Make yer mind up, sb, I was a brown-shirt Jew hater a couple of days ago …

    Ahh, so yer a man of colours 😉

  184. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:34 pm

    ‘I do get the impression that people are beginning to smell shades of 1933 in all this shite!’

    Only the paranoid left.

    To prove that history repeats itself you need do groundwork on what came before.

    ‘In Hamburg and Altona this process began in early 1927 when the Nazi organization in neighbouring St. Pauli founded a commando group to launch a counter-offensive against the social democrats and communists in the struggle for the streets.’

    Australia in the 21st century has nought to do with the rise of a dictatorship.

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:35 pm

    BTW, sb, these are interesting dates … 5th March 1933 … 26th April 1933 … 2nd May 1933 …

    History does repeat – given the opportunity … and BTW local governments in Qld are actually controlled by the state … 26th April 1933 …

  186. August 7, 2014 3:38 pm

    Newsflash for Neal:

    JOE HOCKEY: “WE’LL CREATE ONE MILLION NEW JOBS WITHIN FIVE YEARS”

    UPDATE: Jobless rate jumps to 12 year high of 6.4 per cent. http://ab.co/9cC0AA

  187. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:39 pm

    “I was a brown-shirt Jew hater a couple of days ago …”

    Just as you are today

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:41 pm

    Only the paranoid left.

    Mixing me up with the paranoid right … what am I to do?

    And Oz in the 21st Century does mirror the past in many ways (on a minor scale – but escalation is only a matter of time) …

    “It is alleged that six juvenile males have boarded this bus at Randwick, shortly after which time they have made offensive and threatening comments towards approximately 25 schoolchildren,” local police Inspector Jason Box said.

    Drunk or not – the “thoughts” were there …

    And is this a “good” reaction from a senior officer?

    Insp Box said he believed the incident was opportunistic, “isolated and random.”

  189. August 7, 2014 3:42 pm

    I’ve lost track of who I’m meant to be hating these days.

  190. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:44 pm

    I’ve lost track of who I’m meant to be hating these days.

    Pick Me!
    Pick Me!

  191. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:44 pm

    Just as you are today

    Not at all … I argued that killing innocent children was indefensible (especially the fact that there was more than one school attacked and the number of children killed – nay murdered) … as did Julie Bishop – later …

    I would condemn our own government if they did the same … and they’re just Micks …

  192. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:45 pm

    “what else can i do?”

    There are two ways to go. One is not to take sides, to understand that whoever you support will betray you, and not in a trivial way. Always call each issue as you see it and don’t be at all concerned if your views on any issue change over time. If they don’t then you really do have a problem. Also, don’t lightly impute bad motives to people with different views. Leftists are the way they are by dint of their stupidity not because they are inherently evil. They are generally well-meaning but unfortunately they area also deeply convinced that the world will be a better place, but only if they get to play Santa Claus.

    The other approach is to realise that no one party will have policies aligned with your thinking on all points. So you join the one you most agree with and work within it to achieve your goals. The trouble with this is that you end up making the most hideous compromises and you are stuck with defending stuff you really don’t agree with. If you join a major party you have to justify all manner of stupid positions taken on the basis of electoral expediency. You become a slave to the spin doctors.

    If you join a party that acts on the basis of principle rather than populist pragmatism you get to keep your ideological purity but you won’t get the chance to implement your program because the populsists will always win at the polls.

    I prefer to comment from the sidelines because I can’t stomach the compromises involved joining a mainstream party. If I had to join a party it would probably be the LDP.

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:46 pm

    I’ve lost track of who I’m meant to be hating these days.

    Them poofters and lessos, cobber! Keep it simple … hey?

  194. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:46 pm

  195. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:47 pm

    “Make yer mind up, sb, I was a brown-shirt Jew hater a couple of days ago”

    I didn’t call you that, did I? Pretty sure I didn’t.

  196. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:48 pm

    Leftists are the way they are by dint of their stupidity not because they are inherently evil. … I prefer to comment from the sidelines

    LOL! 😕

  197. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:53 pm

    TB, I knew you’d like that even though I wasn’t referring to you. You have the redeeming feature, like most of us here, of being able to criticise BS on both sides.

  198. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:54 pm

    “”I didn’t call you that, did I?””

    I think it was moi.

    He only understands Nazism comparisons these days

  199. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:55 pm

    10th of May is what 18C and Conroy’s censorship laws are all about.

  200. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:57 pm

    What the timeline shows is that socialist movements suffer from a lot of sibling rivalry – it is either the Hitler-Stalin pact or Project Barbarossa with that lot.

  201. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 3:57 pm

    ‘but escalation is only a matter of time) …’

    These are law and order problems attended by the states, nothing unusual is happening. There will always be outbreaks of civil disobedience, we are what we are.

    If the Lusitania hadn’t been sunk by that vile German submarine, WW2 most likely wouldn’t have happened.

  202. August 7, 2014 4:11 pm

    Lets face it Neil is a wingnut.. Anyone who writes a point in bold caps needs a good bitchslap with their own kmart handbag… I’m beginning to think Egg El Gordo and NOS are all the same fucktard…

    where’s the cunt button…?

    Seeing I’m in the middle as a centrist you all must love and adore me because I hate you all with equal measure…..from the hairy armpit muesli munchers to the chardy swilling shoulder pad ponces.

    TB..fuck no if she does time mark my words ..it will get ugly.
    Just sayin they give her a log in password which has access to that server and she didnt sign anything….its opening up a can of metamucil…

    Watch this space on this issue I got wind on what’s going down and its not going to be purdy 😯

    Just wondering does the metadata say that the deficit has doubled and unemployment is rising faster than Squeals heart rate watching paint dry.

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 4:15 pm

    I didn’t call you that, did I? Pretty sure I didn’t.

    Truth be told I think it was Wally … and too lazy to check …

  204. August 7, 2014 4:16 pm

    Splatter Socialist movements are like capitalist movements all push, mostly farts, oversized expectation of underdelivered shit wrapped around the occasional peanut 🙄

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 4:16 pm

    He only understands Nazism comparisons these days

    Not true … I’ve recently been to SE Asia remember … 🙂

  206. August 7, 2014 4:22 pm

    “The truth is that the government’s record has been trashed on every single initiative. Every single one. The budget is a mess and is heading for a chaotic showdown, for which the only governmentally sensible course — but a politically disastrous one — would be a minibudget.”

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/08/07/rundle-team-australia-would-love-to-have-free-speech-but-theres-a-war-on/

  207. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 4:28 pm

    “If the Lusitania hadn’t been sunk by that vile German submarine,”

    Actually Egg it was not so much the sinking of the Lusitania (May 1915) that forced the USA’s hand to enter WW1 in April 1917 ( I regard WW2 as just WW1 continued, since it was merely an armistice).

    What really pissed off the Yanks big time was the offer by the Germans to supply Mexico with $ and arms to attack the USA and steal back Texas plus other territory should the USA enter the War due to the resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare and the likelihood of more USA ships being sunk.

    Read about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

  208. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 4:33 pm

    Thanks Walrus, I see you have a economic history in your background.

  209. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 7, 2014 4:40 pm

    “Socialist movements are like capitalist movements all push, mostly farts, oversized expectation of underdelivered shit wrapped around the occasional peanut “

    With so many people trying to make the world a better place, how come it is such a shambles?

    Some nice quotes here here on this crazy world we live in.

  210. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2014 4:48 pm

    “UPDATE: Jobless rate jumps to 12 year high of 6.4 per cent.”

    Yes and unemployment went from 4.3% in 2007 to 5.8% in 2013 under Rudd/Gillard.

    What is your point?? Do you really think unemployment would have gone down under Rudd if he was reelected in 2013?

    What sickens me about TomR is that he rejoices in increasing unemployment under Abbott. I bet you anything it would have been higher if Rudd was reelected in 2013.

  211. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 4:53 pm

    “They must find it difficult…those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority.” – Gerald Massey

    I’ll pay that.

  212. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 4:55 pm

    I wouldn’t get too excited at TomR’s gloating and delirium over the rising unemployment rate as a number of respected economists (the ones TomR never links to) are betting it’s a “rogue”result because the ABS this quarter changed its sample of surveyed individuals for the first time since 2012.

    Certainly not likely to get the RBA on board for another rate decrease

  213. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2014 4:57 pm

    Yep but TomR is gloating. He wants a trashed economy under Abbott.

    Unemployment was around 8% from 1983-1996 under his heroes. 6.4% was a good result for hawke/Keating.

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 5:07 pm

    What the timeline shows is that socialist movements suffer from a lot of sibling rivalry – it is either the Hitler-Stalin pact or Project Barbarossa with that lot.

    Well that’s true – the only real difference in Oz is that all the buggers are dog botherers!

    How the Nazis (the dogbotherers) could have been so downright vicious is beyond me (I was in Germany in 2010) … and then my skin crawled (literally) when I visited the killing fields and S 21 in Cambodia this year …

    My point … is that we don’t set ONE foot down either path …

    … like most of us here, of being able to criticise BS on both sides.

    I like to think so … BS is BS wherever it rears its ugly head!

    I also think I was “lucky” growing up, politics was a dinner table topic … my old man was Labor… my mother was Liberal … my “politics” evolved from my career …

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 5:09 pm

    With so many people trying to make the world a better place, how come it is such a shambles?

    Kneel, genes …

    The budget is a mess and is heading for a chaotic showdown, for which the only governmentally sensible course — but a politically disastrous one — would be a minibudget.”

    The sensible course would be a DD …

  216. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 5:18 pm

    ‘The sensible course would be a DD …’

    Unnecessary.

    ‘Well that’s true – the only real difference in Oz is that all the buggers are dog botherers!’

    Surely that’s irrelevant.

  217. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 7, 2014 5:18 pm

    You’re not travelling too well when your own turn against you.

    http://ipa.org.au/news/3153/abbott-needs-to-hit-the-reset-button

  218. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 5:26 pm

    Oh My Dog

    Apparently there have been allegations of extortion made by multiple parties against the CFMEU

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/cfmeus-ravbar-tells-heydon-that-accuser-smith-is-a-lying-rogue/story-fn59noo3-1227016445382

  219. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 5:32 pm

    I do hope those of you against the storage of metadata don’t use Google, Microsoft IE or Facebook, or Twitter or any other internet software.

    They probably know more about you than you 2 years down the track can remember

    LOL

  220. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 5:38 pm

    Anyone who writes a point in bold caps needs a good bitchslap with their own kmart handbag

    I AGREE! 😯

    Apparently there have been allegations of extortion made by multiple parties against the CFMEU

    Again?

  221. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 5:43 pm

    “Again?”

    Yes again…………………….ToM will be shocked by this

  222. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:02 pm

    betting it’s a “rogue”result because the ABS this quarter changed its sample of surveyed individuals for the first time since 2012.

  223. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:04 pm

    They probably know more about you than you 2 years down the track can remember

    No shit sherlock. Any idea why I refuse google accounts?

    Does that make what the gubamint are pulling OK though does it?

  224. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:07 pm

    LOL

    “………a number of respected economists (the ones TomR never links to) are betting it’s a “rogue”result ………”

    For the ABS to say there is no evidence is predictable otherwise what’s the point in having them ?

    In fact why bother changing the sample at all in that case

    You’ll also find examples of rogue results under the ALP.

    Nothing new.

  225. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:11 pm

    “Does that make what the gubamint are pulling OK though does it?”

    So you trust Twitter more than the Government (of any colour) ?

    I dontknow about the AFP or other states but I do know NSW cops are shitting themselves over various threats at the moment

  226. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:15 pm

    He wants a trashed economy under Abbott.

    If I did, then my dreams are coming true.

    Unfortunately, it’s not what I want, simply what I (and many others) predicted.

  227. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:20 pm

    So you trust Twitter more than the Government (of any colour) ?

    Does that make what the gubamint are pulling OK though does it?

  228. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:25 pm

    While the Royal Commission set out to prove allegations of impropriety by the construction union, hearings have uncovered a range of disturbing practices in the industry that should be properly investigated, said Mr Noonan.

    These include:

    · Employers dodging industry-standard entitlements including redundancy pay

    · Employers sacking workers for no reason

    · Employers making bizarre offers of payment to the union and attempting to buy union tickets

    · Suggestions the Fair Work Building Commission has conspired with employers to remove union delegates from work sites.

    http://www.cfmeu.asn.au/news/royal-commission-a-show-trial-with-no-main-act-cfmeu

    It really looks like we need a royal witch hunt into the building industry.

    It “appears” that all this one is doing is preventing Unions from stopping rogue builders for the interim.

  229. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:28 pm

    You are on fire with the comedy routine tonight.

    Linking to Kouks the CFMEU………………………its hilarious

    Got any links to ISIS or Al Qaeda arguing against collection of metadata ?

  230. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:38 pm

    You’re not travelling too well when your own turn against you.

    And why did the IPA site “check” my browser! I’m I being monitored? Is checking my browser without MY permission even legal?

    Should I communicate only via snail mail?

    Who’s that outside my house!

    It really looks like we need a royal witch hunt into the building industry.

    Abbott’s government can’t please everyone, TR … and anyway I think this RC has become unstuck … LOL!

  231. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:40 pm

    And Wally’s comments are getting a bit shrill and rambling … always a good sign the troof is having an effect …

  232. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:47 pm

    · Employers dodging industry-standard entitlements including redundancy pay

    (maybe they’re observing the award provisions, which are quite different to the industry standard of “pay into a union controlled fund”)

    · Employers sacking workers for no reason

    (Really? Got a link? Why didn’t the union help out at FWA? Were they probationary?)

    · Employers making bizarre offers of payment to the union and attempting to buy union tickets

    (Probably the attempted bribe was below the going rate for bribery of a CFMEU official)

    · Suggestions the Fair Work Building Commission has conspired with employers to remove union delegates from work sites.

    (got a link? What does that mean? Was the delegate on site in contravention of the award or law?)

  233. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:53 pm

    Linking to Kouks the CFMEU

    It’s only fair, you linked to the oz 😉

    Got any links to ISIS or Al Qaeda arguing against collection of metadata ?

    Does that make what the gubamint are pulling OK though does it?

  234. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 7:00 pm

    got a link?

    You know I’m always here to assist with your metadata inadequacies yomm 😉

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Transcripts/Pages/default.aspx

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 7:10 pm

    CFMEU is poison in the construction industry.

  236. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 7:15 pm

    CFMEU is poison in the construction industry.

    got a link?

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  237. August 7, 2014 7:27 pm

    GOLD GOLD GOLD!!!!!

  238. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2014 7:29 pm

    “got a link?

    I did a google search using CMFEU and desalination plant and this came up

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-28/union-accused-of-ties-to-crime-figures-kickbacks-for-jobs/5221234

    “Union officials have formed corrupt relationships with organised crime figures, receiving kickbacks in exchange for arranging lucrative contracts in the construction industry ………………. The CFMEU is able to pressure large builders to use certain contractors – including labour hire companies – by wielding the stick of costly industrial action and holding out the carrot of peace on building sites.”

  239. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 7:40 pm

    Union officials have formed corrupt relationships with organised crime figures, receiving kickbacks in exchange for arranging lucrative contracts in the construction industry.
    A joint investigation by ABC’s 7.30 program and Fairfax Media has discovered that bribery, extortion and threats of violence are used to cement the influence of crime figures on Australia’s construction sites.

    Companies connected to major crime figures have won contracts on private and government projects, including Victoria’s desalination plant and the Barangaroo development in Sydney.

    Evidence including covertly recorded conversations, bank records, police intelligence files and whistleblower accounts implicate a number of senior members of the influential Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) in New South Wales and Victoria in corruption.

    Yeah, nothing to see in the relationships between CFMEU, bikie gangs and criminals.

    But I think there might even be one or 2 more stories like this!

    Then again it’s probably a huge media beat up, like the one about Craig Thomson.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-28/union-accused-of-ties-to-crime-figures-kickbacks-for-jobs/5221234

  240. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2014 8:08 pm

    Here is the kouks prediction for unemployment given in December 2013

    http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2479-the-economy-and-markets-in-2014

    2. Labour market

    With the economy on a clear upswing, jobs growth is likely to follow to a stronger phase, of course allowing for the usual 6 to 9 months lag. In the near term, the unemployment rate is likely to nudge 6% before it starts to tick lower from around the June quarter. Around 225,000 jobs are likely to be created in 2014 which will see the unemployment rate around 5.25% at the end of the year.”

    Stephen Koukoulas is a false prophet.

  241. Tom R permalink
    August 7, 2014 8:27 pm

    Yes, I recall those stories.

    Turned out the industry was dirtier than the Unions.

    How did that story break again? 😯

    Stephen Koukoulas is a false prophet.

    Even he couldn’t have predicted how ad this mob would stuff up.

  242. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 7, 2014 8:33 pm

    I knew you would say that but they have not been in long enough to do too much damage.

    It was Labor who took unemployment from 4.3% to 5.8%. That means several hundred thousand more people out of work under Labor and all that deficit spending was a total waste.

  243. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 7, 2014 8:40 pm

    Caption!

  244. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 8:51 pm

    TWO of Australia’s most powerful unions have agreed to pay record fines totalling more than $1.3 million arising from their roles in last year’s bitter West Gate industrial dispute.

    In a blow to their campaign to have the building industry watchdog scrapped, the unions have accepted liability for more than 50 breaches of building laws over a series of unlawful strikes and coercion of people involved in the project to upgrade the West Gate Bridge.

    The dispute led to allegations of violence, death threats and a life-threatening car chase involving workers on the project.

    Of course, just because they paid record fines, doesn’t mean they did anything wrong. It’s all a huge media beat up.

    Unions should be allowed to please themselves about law and order

    • Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/building-unions-fined-13m-for-legal-breaches-20100223-p0t4.html#ixzz39ha1SH00

  245. Meta permalink
    August 8, 2014 5:44 am

    (More unwork for the undole for end-of-the-age-of-entitlement unlifters in the leaning lean public-private enterprise, apparently: Young people struggle to find work as youth jobless rate hits post-2001 high of 14 per cent.)

  246. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 7:32 am

    I knew you would say that but they have not been in long enough to do too much damage.

    Really?

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/joe-hockey-its-your-economy-now-20131216-2zgwu.html
    Joe Hockey, it’s your economy now

    And that was back in Dec, after he doubled the defecit. Since then, they have killed Automotive Manufacturing, prevented Australian companies from even tendering for Warships, and promised Japan they can do Submarines (I give ASC another few years before that’s gone too.)

    And then we had THAT budget, which sent retail sales crumbling, and even had business up in arms.

    No, this cannot be blamed on Labor, or the measuring method used. And, it is far worst than the projections Swan gave in his last Budget.

    Time will tell if it gets worst but, there isn’t much to indicate it will get any better any time sooner.

    And the most depressing thing about it all is, even on those jobs that are being created, they are almost all part time. Full time work is a thing of the past it “appears”.

  247. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 7:33 am

    And another broken promise. This one can directly be attributed to the last budget.

    The Choice Consumer Pulse Report has highlighted a range of cost-of-living pressures facing Australians with one third of people surveyed saying they find it difficult to get by on their current income, and two-thirds saying they have cut back spending on non-essential items.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-08/australians-anxious-about-cost-of-living-survey/5655660

    Where’s our $550 tony?

  248. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 8, 2014 7:42 am

    Tom R

    You can rave on as much as you want. It would be worse under Labor.

    As bad as the Liberal govt may be, Australia could not stand any more Labor govt for a while.

  249. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:04 am

    You can rave on as much as you want.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  250. August 8, 2014 8:29 am

    You can rave on as much as you want

    Literally child like tantrums from squeal.. pathetic 🙂

  251. Meta permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:17 am

    (I simply ask the question, why can’t we translate Farmer Abetz‘s crop of itinerant homeless youth into seasonally-adjusted backpackers?)

  252. Meta permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:42 am

    (Actually, the more I think about it, the best sort of start in life we could ever want for Australian young folk is a hobo holiday; and, who knows, with a modicum of foreward planning and program coordination, not that we really turn our minds to the future all that much, the Green Army could plant millions of native bushfood trees and the hobo harvest could be assured.)

  253. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 11:08 am

    The Green Army is recruiting as we speak, but what we need is a soapy with 18 to 25 year olds enjoying the outback and romantically mingling.

    It would have legs internationally, with our blue skies and magic vistas.

  254. August 8, 2014 11:29 am

    Yeah Australias got hobo looking for the new Woody Guthrie… 🙄

    Yeah Egg I can see 457’s or Young aspirant Tories in Tones “Green Army” Pulling weeds around the razor wire of picturesque manus Island

    or

    romantic panoramic wide shots of the hole where the barrier reef was as they plant new growth around those new Indian mines or port facilities

    or better still…

    Sweeping aerials of workplace agreement green army lovers hand in hand in the clear felled world heritage forests of tasmania freed from the shackles of green tape by Our Conservationist feminist PM….

  255. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 11:39 am

    Will they still blame the Carbon tax?

    (redundant question)

  256. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 12:14 pm

    ‘or’

    Its quite clear you don’t have a romantic bone in your body, but even you must see the commercial possibilities.

    Two main script writers to get the structure right, for and against on a whole range of issues. Like we do at Trash, in fact we could steal a lot of the lines straight from here.

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