Abbott Govt Abandons Plans to Amend Racial Discrimination Act

Wow, tabot shows common sense 😯

Or does it just prove that credlin isn’t a moron ❓

“I don’t want to do anything that puts our national unity at risk

Mind you, when the insanity resumes, that line might get a bit of run 😉

‘Does that mean he’s going to address the Budget damaging poor people, pensioners, unemployed and learners at all levels …’

Yes, Abbott and Hockey have been walking around with big sticks to impress their mates, always knowing a hostile senate would be a policy softener.

A lot will go into the bottom draw until the next election.

So, tabot is “leading” by keeping mum?

Instead of backing or back-tracking on the changes to the RDA – advanced in the name of freedom of speech – he made a “leader’s call” to ditch them because of their possible impact on terror laws that could potentially impinge a whole range of different freedoms and rights.

We still don’t know whether Abbott agrees with George Brandis that we all have the right to be bigots, only that the laws constraining our ability to insult or offend on the grounds of race are to be retained for now because the government itself doesn’t want to offend ethnic community groups whose support will need for its anti-terror campaign.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/05/team-australia-need-told-more-these-policies

A change of tune grodo?

Speaking of which, I haven’t seen many articles using the word “back-flip” when reporting on this … back-flip

Also, is anyone able to locate the link between allowing people to abuse others simply because of their race, and the Government retaining reams of totally innocent peoples data in order to “protect” us?

There must be a link there somewhere?

‘A change of tune grodo?’

Freedom of speech is great, but ordinary folk tend to speak their minds too freely, without restraint. Its important that they have limitations.

You can see how sexism has been practically eliminated with legal restriction and the same goes for racial vilification. Just imagine what our society would be like without restraint, not pretty.

I see the oz is representing a backflip as “Brave Sir Robin”

Carlton has a dummy spit, which looks like it will free him up for many more dummy spits

“”I see the Murdoch rags outdo themselves for vindictive sleaze and bullying this morning. Scum””

LOL @ Mike Carlton. Talk about dishing it out and not being able to cop some back.

The extent of the Murdoch “vindictive and bullying”‘amounts to republishing Carltons bullying tweets and emails to SMH readership.

What a childish idiot he has become

‘What a childish idiot he has become’

He’s part of the left’s intellectual elite.

Ambush

Heheheheheheh

I see the usual fart bubbles from those who attached the act to free speech and censorship with, not unlike Bandis, no plausible factual reason to make such a tenuous connection.

Its simple. The act was put there when racism and vilification was at its height.
Here are the facts..

1:
Bandis was not asked by anybody (public submissions, flooding of the courts..ect) to change this until the Dolt case who was found to be guilty. No doubt he was..His article, its premise and lies contained therein was a shock brand piece designed to sell news corpse rags.

2:
Bandis saw Dolt as essential to them winning government.
3:
The act works fine and has done since its inception, its a yardstick for people to adhere to..all except Dolt who is so pissed on popularity he thinks he is above the law like Jones . They wasnt a licence to say whatever they want and call it free speech while they get paid handsomely to do so.
4:
This is about Bandis on a crusade of ideology unbefitting an attorney general. His party room has gone ballistic from the backlash and his little crusade has cost the taxpayers a bomb when we apparently are in emergency…

5:
Bandis is not a very good lawyer (I fucking loathe lawyers for a start) His reasoning and ability was overshadowed by his radical neocon ideology. This was a crusade Pythonesque in its execution…

6: Most of the people who are prattling on with the “Libertarian Lie” free speech mantra get paid for their speech.. IPA, TIM WILSON, DOLT..ect. Most of the jouno’s in the country are quite happy to adhere to the current act which is a plimsoll line of reasonable decency and impending litigation… Its the Commentators, opinionists and lobbyists that hijacked this issue…

Splatter critique will thrive and prosper it will just not take the for of personal racial vilification based upon lies for self serving individuals like most of the maggots feeding of the rotting corpse that constitutes this current government.

I now see that the government is trying the Bush approach of scaring voters into a sense of “Jihad is imminent ” and we will save you as their next tactic. Bandis is being exposed for what he is a hypocritical ideologue.. Libertarian one minute oppressor of human rights the next.. homeland security here we come. Any fuctard that could argue that existing laws in this regard needs their head read..

Australias are amongst the most stringent in the world..Lock up for 7 days without a phone call anybody? Remember OPEC and the GAMES?

“Here are the facts..”

Tooooo funny. Leftists and facts do not mix.

I started to read your stuff but it was too long and boring so i fell asleep.

Please make your points more readable and too the point.

Yes, The Age is a low grade rag. It is now printed so far out of Melbourne that any news that occurred before 10pm the day before is unreported.

My favourite example of its sensationalism was the front page report on climate change/rising sea levels. The article was accompanied by a photo of Kiribati gents up to their thighs in water. They seemed to have waded into a lagoon.

However The Age used the image to (appear to) suggest that the Pacific Ocean had risen 2 feet!

I hadn’t noticed this on my own visits to coastal areas.

The Age is a sensationalist rag and oddly it is the ABC that occupies a similar demographic and is putting it out of business, with all its free news access. That won’t stop left types blaming Murdoch.

Fairfax is doing what the ALP has already done. Abandoned the Centre in its pitch to the hipster digital media Twitterati and has answered the Siren’s call of the extreme Green Left.

Strangely this leaves the Murdoch Press sitting closer to the Centre than Fairfax now is

‘A great line. It is probably a backdown knowing they could not get the change through the Senate.’

That’s true and its a good thing too, the Chinese are coming in large numbers and we cannot afford to upset them.

Although the bill has gone into the bottom draw, its unlikely to be resurrected at the next election. Unity is all.

Tony Abbott might want to think again before he retains every Australian's web browsing history. #auspol http://t.co/PaAnlQ6PwE—
Natalija Vojković (@macdorober) August 06, 2014

There “appears” to be a distinct lack of OUTRAGE over sweeping laws that “seem” to retain ALL users browsing history, unlike the tepid response when Labor introduced something vaguely similar that was optional and simply blocked certain sites.

C’mon outragers, you can do it. Lift yer OUTRAGE meters. Else the nasty tewwowists will tewwawise

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Crickets ❓

“it’s not the content, it’s the sites [where] you’ve been,’’

To paraphrase: We can tell who the bad guys are because they visit certain sites, which will then attract content analysis.

What is a site without content?

http://www.liberal.org.au/real-solutions 😉

Very funny Tom R

So TB, they are cutting immunisation programs so they can spy on us all.

Priorities calibration required it “seems”

Who’s this guy married to again?

“”So how many NSW Libs have resigned? I can’t keep up.””

I think there are now 7 on the crossbench plus one ex-premier who is still a member

“…seems that quite a few NSW Libs were too dumb even to bother with that.”

Definitely

But their great hope is that the High Court will declare the Laws themselves illegal.

You cant prosecute someone for disobeying an unlawful law

LOL

Ridiculous situation I know

‘and lots of Chinese and other overseas investors are going to get mightily burnt if the AUD$ drops say 20% which is not beyond the realms of possibility.’

I cannot see it, could you elaborate on how the AUD$ could collapse under massive immigration?

We have property bubbles in capital cities which is distorting the market, what is your solution? Clearly rising interest rates will not slow demand.

‘Who said they are migrating Egg ?’

Yeah, I now see the difference.

‘Migrants born in China were the second largest overseas-born population group in Sydney, at 4% of Sydney’s total population in 2011 (147,000 people).

‘Sydney suburbs where Chinese-born migrants made up the largest proportion of the population included Hurstville (36%), Rhodes (29%), Burwood (28%) and Allawah (24%) in the city’s south and west. In the city centre, Ultimo and Haymarket also had relatively large populations of Chinese-born migrants (both 22%).’

ABS

“Carlton lashes Israel, is branded an anti-Semite & loses his job.”

Wrong !

Carlton told various SMH customers (readers) to fuck off .

That’s why he lost his job.

Another IPA fail..at least we know where the rednecks go for a rub and tug…if all those fucktards (including all the asscheese wizzers of the government) left the Liberal party..surely it would be better for the country? If the real Liberals gained control of the Liberal party from the right wing teabagging neocon fruit pickers maybe some sanity may prevail….

I’m just wondering what all these tosspots are scared about..they wait around waiting for Jones and Bolts lips to move and grab the terragraph before they can think..much less string a coherent sentence together and “freely speak”…

Brandis This morning describing what he thinks he wants to do in regard to his new IT Buzz word “Meta Data”.. it was like listening to him explain quantum physics… revealed for the evil cunt he is. I am absolutely convinced that this government lives from minute to minute in regard to formulation of policy..

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2014/s4062250.htm

http://s123.photobucket.com/user/rickypann/library/Baddies

‘I am absolutely convinced that this government lives from minute to minute in regard to formulation of policy..’

I’m not, they are doing fine two years out from an election.

(Incidentally, reader Austen seems like a bit of a hoot to have hanging around prominently in/on Carlton’s timeline, at least to this gentile. After all, what’s to question or even to anti-intellectually ponder about a quintessentially-Team-Aussie volunteer-warrior-returnee?)

‘Fine?’

Yep he’s on track to win the next election.

I think this sums up both brandis’ “metadata” and our own Meta quite nicely. Especially the ladies closing remarks (sorry Data Meta, too early to fully decrypt your statement @6:34 am, although the last line is pretty self explanatory 😉 )

Surely we a re at the point where dearleader has “questions to answer”?

An email shown at the inquiry suggested Loughnane – who is married to Tony Abbott’s chief of staff, Peta Credlin – agreed to filter banned donations through the Canberra-based Free Enterprise Foundation.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/06/liberal-brian-loughnane-allowed-banned-donation-nsw

Where is the Leftie outrage over people accessing other people’s private and confidential information.

Funny, most “lefties” seem to be quite happy with “whistleblowers” as a general rule. I don’t see to many arguing against wkilieaks?

I DID see many non-lefties here OUTRAGED against internet filtering, who have remained largely silent on what the libs are doing now (I’m pretty sure there was OUTRAGE expressed by them when Labor tried it on also, but I wasn’t around then)

I do know that I was not impressed when Labor did try it on, but the filtering issue was a vastly different thing to storing data.

Government authorities can’t trawl through your computer speculatively for correspondence in which you reveal you are dealing with a mental health matter, because that’s none of their business without judicial authorisation. But it’s perfectly acceptable for them to access records showing you called Lifeline at 3am from a seaside lookout point, after recording five hours of transactions at a nearby bar, and repeatedly texting your ex-wife – all without a warrant.

Mr Shorten appeared to launch a political attack: “Labor is firmly against a new internet tax.”

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2014/8/6/technology/data-retention-plan-wont-be-big-brother

kick em while you can. It’s called pay back

I don’t recall the ‘left’ quite seeing it that way.

Well, for starters yomm, there are quite different things going on.

The emails didn’t reveal anything you claim about manipulation, they in fact revealed nothing except frustrated scientists being harassed by the same kind of tools who stole the emails..

Secondly, ALL of the emails were dumped, with no “context”, and contained many very personal and private discussions between people who were simply going about their jobs.

Has what has been “accessed” to 500 students not related to the story been released?

Did the person even “collect” anything not relevant to the specific search, that is, the fact that the PM’s daughter was in fact given an unprecedented scholarship? There is no evidence whatsoever that anything BUT that narrow field was collected (the potential was there, but it “appears” not to have been utilized, they were uncovering what actually occurred, in contrast to what we were being told)

The Berkley release did not expose ANYTHING, except the private lives of scientists, whereas the more recent did expose the fact that tabots daughter got privileged treatment, in direct contrast to every statement that had been made to date, without exposing the private information that could have been nearby.

(Use of the scholarship trick to hide the decline in college fees most definitely is relevant to the CC debate.)

My recollection is that UAE researchers and their backers had a huge whinge about ‘privacy’ and ‘context’-when they were engaging in some activities that were (arguably) contrary to the public interest at public expense.

I’m not entirely comfortable making the circumstances of the children of politicians into political issues. If there is some evidence that Abbott offered favourable treatment on the basis of the free tuition, then it’s a legitimate disclosure.

If not, it’s just some meanspirited junior political game playing.

If there is some evidence that Abbott offered favourable treatment on the basis of the free tuition, then it’s a legitimate disclosure.

😯

https://newmatilda.com/search/node/whitehouse

(Alternatively, pecuniary interest registers exist and require full disclosure(s) for a reason, have a basis independent of any sentimental politics, and shouldn’t be gamed at all.)

for sp, who is living in an alternate reality

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_documents

Scientist at the heart of the ‘Climategate’ email scandal broke the law when they refused to give raw data to the public, the privacy watchdog has ruled.

Are you able to show where the prosecution for that offense is, or is this an “assumption” that they “broke the law”?

But the scientists will escape prosecution because the offences took place more than six months ago.

So, an assumption then. Thanks for that.

Considering that no emails were actually deleted (it is in the wiki with corresponding reference), as shown by the CRU, then all it was was a pissed off scientist venting.

And you, years later, making a claim on an assumption because of the careless release of thousands of emails. Now you can understand why a scientist might make a claim like that.

Meanwhile, tabot and the whitehouse institute have both been found to be lying about what took place, and nobodies private data has been released.

and I don’t quote ………

Nicely put Meta 🙂

Speaking of agendas in research institutions… I recall an exchange on Tim Dunlop’s blog.

He and some others (that are still about) were lauding the research of union funded report by some people at the Sydney Uni.

Tim invited one of the researchers to participate in the blog debate.

It emerged that this peer reviewed report had omitted some interesting (but perhaps inconvenient) data.

Even after all the union and political campaigns aimed at undermining confidence in AWAs – people on AWAs had more trust in their employer than those on other employment instruments

Pesky probing about undisclosed data can be interesting.

** chuckle **

(Alternatively, as I recall, someone was deploying kettle logic, again, and demanding that a researcher admit fallibility on two, mutually exclusive grounds; that someone was advised that a) undisclosed data was no such thing; b) more research would be required to test asserted propositions, which were intrinsically incompatible with each other and with an existing research design and even per even a proposed research redesign; and c) that either or both of the propositions asserted were simply unsupported and unsupportable using existing data, despite best attempts to manipulate it or to import other incompatible and/or untested data on an ad hoc basis; and then Tim got sick of it all.)

Cant we have a “Get Fucked” thingie as well ?

Mike Carlton stole all the available ones

(Or, and more simply, ‘that’s what this research showed’; some ‘other research’ may or may not show something similar or different, but that would be ‘other research’; and no amount of wanting ‘this research’ to show a wanted conclusion for ‘that other research’ can perform ‘that other research’ work, nor yield a common-base comparative between ‘those researches’ before that work is actually done.)

(Under the precautionary principle, ‘I found an interesting email amongst thousands from a subset of climate researchers, that’s a good sample, therefore anthropogenic climate change probably doesn’t exist’ will go straight to the top of the reasonable pile, and all the other data, including the rather spiffy hybridised-model apt to be derived from the combined alternatives available at WUWWT can shuffle on down.)

And ICAC just keeps heading in the wrong direction for the libs

Liberal MP Andrew Cornwell admits taking $20k from property developers: ICAC
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/liberal-mp-andrew-cornwell-admits-taking-20k-from-property-developers-icac-20140807-101b8l.html

I’m entirely comfortable with pollies families being included in public scrutiny, there should be much more of it. They take from the public purse, they hide spousal investments (that should be shown on the pecuniaries register). They wield political influence behind the scenes on behalf of the politician. All “donations” to family should appear and be accountable to the public. There is not enough scrutiny of politicians activities in this country.

The daughters freebie is political corruption especially as legislation for taxpayer funding of private schooling is being made which will directly benefit the donor.

It’s not about the child it is the political graft.

The case for merit doesn’t exist the daughter didn’t compete with anyone so merit was never proven. Abbott and daughter live a privileged lifestyle and ought to feel ashamed of grasping freebies that are not given to other more deserving students. One student was supported by the smith family FGS. It is pure corruption and something all of our politicians and their families take for granted. There should be a light shone on it all.

“Unemployment at 6.4%”

Yes and it was at 4.3% in 2007 before you voted for Rudd.

Do you care about people??

TomR- you only care about the ALP. You voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%

THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

ABBOTT DELENDA EST

ROFL

Or.. The Laughter of … 🙂

“Unemployment at 6.4%”

Yes a pretty good result since Wayne Swan had predicted 6.5% by now

(as I recall it Meta, the researcher at Sydney Uni provided a link to the questionnaire used in the research. One of the questions asked participants to rate their trust in their employer. During the blog exchange the answer to this question was provided. Amazingly, those on AWAs had more trust. The excuse was that it wasn’t particularly significant or relevant. How this judgement was formed was never explained, possibly because Tim Dunlop tried to avoid exposing the researcher to further embarrassment)

‘I am not corrupt or immoral it is offensive writ large’

No, Neil exaggerates.

Have we met? I sometimes go under the nom de plume of El Gordo.

“No, don’t like it.”

Yeah……………..but you don’t like anybody

“No, Neil exaggerates.”

Egg i am obviously a Coalition supporter but not as strong as you might think. But i am anti-Labor. I stand by my comments.

Most Labor supporters are total liars. So what am i supposed to do?

I can agree to disagree with lots of people but the Labor supporters i met on blogs are an eye opener. In all my life i have never met a more dishonest, immoral corrupt and total dishonest people than Labor supporters. There is almost nothing they say i agree with.

They are natural totalitarians. In six years Rudd/Gillard locked up more men, women and children asylum seekers than any govt in Australian history.

You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say.

Locking up people is a natural tendency of ALP/Greens/Communists.

It is what they do.

Dear AO/Kittylitter/Whatever

Did you read your link? Did you clink on full article?

http://m.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/terror-touches-down-visa-fraud-migration-crime-rampant-immigration-department-files-reveal-20140806-3d8wj.html?skin=dumb-phone

“The leaked documents cover a period between 2008 and 2013 and consistently show far greater rates of migration fraud than has been publicly revealed, along with warnings that the department was failing to combat it.

A 2010 report states that ”evidence uncovered to date indicates that fraud within the General Skilled Migration program is extensive with estimates at around 90 per cent [or] more than 40,000 suspect visa applications lodged per year for the last three years’‘.

THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

Barracker Neil can’t imagine that people can be dissatisfied with both parties. Also appears to think that I vote labor.

wrong…again.

“Do you mean that the half of the population who voted for the ALP are corrupt and immoral? Really”

I guess you have a point but that is my feelings right now.

There is almost nothing an ALP supporters says i agree with. I am sick of being on one side of the fence all the time but what else can i do?

It is the moral superiority of ALP supporters that drives me nuts. Furthermore most of them tell nothing but falsehoods. If they told the truth from time to time i might change my mind.

Did you read the link that AO/Kittylitter gave?? It was about what happened from 2008-2013 and she was trying to lay the blame on Abbott.

and lols 4 nil

Make yer mind up, sb, I was a brown-shirt Jew hater a couple of days ago …

Ahh, so yer a man of colours 😉

“I was a brown-shirt Jew hater a couple of days ago …”

Just as you are today

‘but escalation is only a matter of time) …’

These are law and order problems attended by the states, nothing unusual is happening. There will always be outbreaks of civil disobedience, we are what we are.

If the Lusitania hadn’t been sunk by that vile German submarine, WW2 most likely wouldn’t have happened.

“If the Lusitania hadn’t been sunk by that vile German submarine,”

Actually Egg it was not so much the sinking of the Lusitania (May 1915) that forced the USA’s hand to enter WW1 in April 1917 ( I regard WW2 as just WW1 continued, since it was merely an armistice).

What really pissed off the Yanks big time was the offer by the Germans to supply Mexico with $ and arms to attack the USA and steal back Texas plus other territory should the USA enter the War due to the resumption of unrestricted submarine warfare and the likelihood of more USA ships being sunk.

Read about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

“They must find it difficult…those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority.” – Gerald Massey

I’ll pay that.

Yep but TomR is gloating. He wants a trashed economy under Abbott.

Unemployment was around 8% from 1983-1996 under his heroes. 6.4% was a good result for hawke/Keating.

You’re not travelling too well when your own turn against you.

http://ipa.org.au/news/3153/abbott-needs-to-hit-the-reset-button

I do hope those of you against the storage of metadata don’t use Google, Microsoft IE or Facebook, or Twitter or any other internet software.

They probably know more about you than you 2 years down the track can remember

LOL

“Again?”

Yes again…………………….ToM will be shocked by this

They probably know more about you than you 2 years down the track can remember

No shit sherlock. Any idea why I refuse google accounts?

Does that make what the gubamint are pulling OK though does it?

“Does that make what the gubamint are pulling OK though does it?”

So you trust Twitter more than the Government (of any colour) ?

I dontknow about the AFP or other states but I do know NSW cops are shitting themselves over various threats at the moment

So you trust Twitter more than the Government (of any colour) ?

Does that make what the gubamint are pulling OK though does it?

You are on fire with the comedy routine tonight.

Linking to Kouks the CFMEU………………………its hilarious

Got any links to ISIS or Al Qaeda arguing against collection of metadata ?

Linking to Kouks the CFMEU

It’s only fair, you linked to the oz 😉

Got any links to ISIS or Al Qaeda arguing against collection of metadata ?

Does that make what the gubamint are pulling OK though does it?

CFMEU is poison in the construction industry.

Union officials have formed corrupt relationships with organised crime figures, receiving kickbacks in exchange for arranging lucrative contracts in the construction industry.
A joint investigation by ABC’s 7.30 program and Fairfax Media has discovered that bribery, extortion and threats of violence are used to cement the influence of crime figures on Australia’s construction sites.

Evidence including covertly recorded conversations, bank records, police intelligence files and whistleblower accounts implicate a number of senior members of the influential Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU) in New South Wales and Victoria in corruption.

Yeah, nothing to see in the relationships between CFMEU, bikie gangs and criminals.

But I think there might even be one or 2 more stories like this!

Then again it’s probably a huge media beat up, like the one about Craig Thomson.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-28/union-accused-of-ties-to-crime-figures-kickbacks-for-jobs/5221234

Yes, I recall those stories.

Turned out the industry was dirtier than the Unions.

How did that story break again? 😯

Stephen Koukoulas is a false prophet.

Even he couldn’t have predicted how ad this mob would stuff up.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/06/netanyahu-asks-us-to-help-israel-avoid-war-crime-charges/

I knew you would say that but they have not been in long enough to do too much damage.

Really?

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/joe-hockey-its-your-economy-now-20131216-2zgwu.html
Joe Hockey, it’s your economy now

And that was back in Dec, after he doubled the defecit. Since then, they have killed Automotive Manufacturing, prevented Australian companies from even tendering for Warships, and promised Japan they can do Submarines (I give ASC another few years before that’s gone too.)

And then we had THAT budget, which sent retail sales crumbling, and even had business up in arms.

No, this cannot be blamed on Labor, or the measuring method used. And, it is far worst than the projections Swan gave in his last Budget.

Time will tell if it gets worst but, there isn’t much to indicate it will get any better any time sooner.

And the most depressing thing about it all is, even on those jobs that are being created, they are almost all part time. Full time work is a thing of the past it “appears”.

Tom R

You can rave on as much as you want. It would be worse under Labor.

As bad as the Liberal govt may be, Australia could not stand any more Labor govt for a while.

(Actually, the more I think about it, the best sort of start in life we could ever want for Australian young folk is a hobo holiday; and, who knows, with a modicum of foreward planning and program coordination, not that we really turn our minds to the future all that much, the Green Army could plant millions of native bushfood trees and the hobo harvest could be assured.)

‘or’

Its quite clear you don’t have a romantic bone in your body, but even you must see the commercial possibilities.

Two main script writers to get the structure right, for and against on a whole range of issues. Like we do at Trash, in fact we could steal a lot of the lines straight from here.