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Muslims Vow to Fight Anti-Terrorism Laws!

August 7, 2014

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Those pesky war-mongering antipasto humus chomping anti-Jew Muslim cunts have launched an outright jihad on the Abbott government’s new counter-terrorism laws.

The measures, unveiled in a spectacularly self-contradictory and confused manner by the ordinarily cocky and grandiose George Brandis, will require ISPs to the collect the internet data of ordinary Australians.

Tony Abbott said the government’s plan is to require telecommunications companies to store users’ metadata for two years in order to fight ”general” crimes as well as terrorism.

IT’S NOT WHAT YOU’RE DOING ON THE INTERNET!

”It’s not what you’re doing on the internet, it’s the sites you’re visiting, it’s not the content, it’s the sites [where] you’ve been,’’ he told The Gutter Trash yesterday.

Last month Attorney-General George Brandis, standing alongside a senior imam from the council, said the government was partnering with the Islamic community to address radicalisation in the community.

But it appears this latest batch of security measures has soured relations.

The Australian National Islamic Council believes that the proposed changes to the anti-terrorism laws will severely impinge on the rights and freedoms of all Australians and especially those of Muslim faith.

In protest, the council has declined an invitation from the Australian Federal Police to attend a dinner designed to foster closer ties between religious groups and law enforcement.

RAMADAM DINNER DAMNED!

The Grand Mufti of Australia Ibrahim Abu Mohamed said “in all good conscience” he would not attend the annual dinner marking the end of Ramadan in protest at the proposed package of laws.

The proposed repeal of Section 18C of the discrimination act sparked a backlash from religious and cultural groups, who feared it would erode protections against hate speech.

In announcing the security laws this week Prime Minister Tony Abbott confirmed he was dropping plans to amend the discrimination act, saying he wanted the whole community behind the push to tackle terrorist threats.

The Lebanese Muslim Association labelled the laws “deplorable” and far more destructive than the proposed changes to the discrimination act.

“The LMA condemns the new anti-terror amendments, which only seem to target the Australian Muslim community,” the association said in a statement.

“If passed, they would give authorities unprecedented and intrusive powers.”

OPERATION SEVERED HEADS!

However, Tony Abbott remains undeterred, saying that the new laws are needed to stop Australian-born jihadists who ‘exultantly hold up severed heads’ of enemies.

The acting leader of the Greens, Adam Bandt, called on the prime minister to release draft legislation immediately so the details of the counter-terrorism changes could be properly scrutinised.

“Tony Abbott’s ‘Team Australia’ deserves to know what his proposed terror laws will mean for our freedoms and the rule of law,” Bandt said.

“Tony Abbott needs to make a convincing case for these changes. Trashing long-established legal norms, like the presumption of innocence, just because Tony Abbott says so isn’t good enough …

Making someone ‘guilty until proven innocent’ simply for visiting a particular area seems a step too far, especially while detail on this legislation is lacking.

“The experience of David Hicks should remind us of the dangers of trashing long-held legal principles.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

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92 Comments leave one →
  1. August 7, 2014 3:46 pm

    I love Severed heads actually… I studied with Tom Ellard he was my supervisor at Uni…

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:30 pm

    Tony Abbott said the government’s plan is to require telecommunications companies to store users’ metadata for two years in order to fight ”general” crimes as well as terrorism.

    Paranoia or what? Where are the adults? I want the fucking adults to be in charge!!!!

    And WTF is a “general” crime? Are we all fkn crims now! Do I need to get tats, a gun and a HD?

    Is accepting a $60,000 “scholarship” ’cause yer dad’s the Opposition Leader (and soon to be PM) a “general” crime?

  3. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:34 pm

    ‘And WTF is a “general” crime?’

    Bank robbery.

    ‘Are we all fkn crims now! Do I need to get tats, a gun and a HD?’

    You have nothing to fear if you have done nothing wrong.

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:40 pm

    If we’re all going to barrack for Team Australia, perhaps we need a theme song…maybe modify this one…

    (though Essendon are correctly among the most loathed AFL teams)

  5. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 6:45 pm

    Yeah

    Lets also stop Police using DNA and fingerprint evidence whilst we are at it.

    And phone taps. ?………….piss them off

    And tear down all those CCTV installations.

    Who cares if a few women get raped and murdered ?

    Its an invasion of privacy if I’m videoed chasing women into a park.

    Lets be stupid fucking Leftists and ignore technology

  6. egg permalink
    August 7, 2014 7:46 pm

    I’m with Walrus on this.

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    August 7, 2014 9:54 pm

    Lets be stupid fucking Leftists and ignore technology

    How will keeping a copy of all your emails, visits to your porn sites, twitters to the treasury and holiday bookings prevent you raping someone in a park, Wally?

    And will the government open and record all mail that passes through Aussie post or is snail mail only for you older persons and not as dangerous?

  8. August 7, 2014 10:15 pm

    Yeah Trust this mob? They don’t even have a fucking clue what they are asking for… they have no clue of the expense incurred to the business…
    I have no problem with giving the Goodies the tools they need..with just cause recorded on a warrant…
    These ass clowns cant be trusted on any level whatsoever and they are the most heinously vindictive government in Australian history.. they make menzies look like a tree hugger

    Dumb kunt Bandis was all ready to give Huawei the NBN account until he got the intel that they are in fact one of the largest IT espionage companies in the world. The stole their technology from cisco’s IP then they put bug ware in their switches dat platform for espionage purposes….

    You blokes don’t know the half of it. Typical Walrus..anything you don’t understand is Leftist..Quantum Physics? Brain surgery? all leftist?

  9. Walrus permalink
    August 7, 2014 10:51 pm

    Oh I forgot the Left love Muslim terrorists. You masturbate furiously as each head gets severed.

    No wonder you hate anything that prevents it.

    Enjoy your bombings!

  10. August 7, 2014 11:34 pm

    So let me get this right…

    any sane IT professional that points out that even Brandis and Abbott have no idea what they are asking for and the commercial ramifications of what they are asking much less the technical specifications there of which go far beyond the brief asked for by the AFP..is in you brilliant analysis..
    ” mastubates over mulum terrorists severing heads”

    and in your infinitesimal wisdom…Wally…

    Despite the fact that Brandis and Abbott have not one iota of an idea what they are actually asking for, cannot explain it and are completely clueless on the subject anyone that questions this is a ” leftist stopping Team Abbott from saving us from the baddies”…

    What a peculiar individual you are… if someone questions your invoice are they a muslim Jihadist to Wally?

  11. Meta permalink
    August 8, 2014 6:10 am

    (Team Australia resolutely deploys Mr Broadband for the reboot, given the public’s obvious confusions about the details of the government’s announced policy: Malcolm Turnbull backs Government’s anti-terror laws despite being sidelined on controversial data retention plan.)

  12. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:03 am

  13. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:31 am

    wow, just wow

    So, according to brandis, we have a right to be bigots (?). Do we have a right to be ignorant wankers too?

  14. August 8, 2014 8:36 am

    Tom is that the famous Leftist Libertarian Brandis..protecting the Jihad terrorists in denouncing this abomination against Team Tory Tony’s War on Terror …

    or is it just a beacon of Brandis’s stratospheric hypocrisy?… Walrus..you’re the expert 🙄

  15. August 8, 2014 8:56 am
  16. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 8:58 am

    Is abetz just trying to take the spotlight away from brandis for saying the dumbest thing this week?

    Sorry fellas, tabot just raised the bar on lowering our ‘interlect’.

    But the prize for the dumbest comment you’ll hear this week goes to another pearl of wisdom from the Australian Prime Minister:

    “The terrorist threat in this country has not changed, nevertheless it’s as high as it’s ever been.”

    http://www.sovereignman.com/trends/heres-the-dumbest-thing-youll-hear-all-week-14832/

    Which is obviously why we need such extra pervasive pervasiveness ❓ 😯

  17. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 10:00 am

    “Which is obviously why we need such extra pervasive pervasiveness :?:”

    Perhaps its because our Agencies are now better funded to do a few extra things.

    Oh I forgot your Fucktards Rudd and Gillard didn’t even bother attending National Security Meetings and also stripped them of funding as you did with Customs

  18. August 8, 2014 10:15 am

    Get a Grip Walrus all this Hypocrisy and tactical budgetary diversion has you quivering in your boots 🙄 you’re stupefied terrified 😯 with fear and loathing over stuff they can’t even explain much less you understand…

    Metaterror is the new Putinanny

  19. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 11:21 am

    Oh now I see Ricky. So no one should dare comment because only you know what you are talking about because you have decided to appoint yourself as the Expert.

    Kinda like “the Science is in”shit

    or

    What would you know “You never wore the uniform””

    The typical Leftist crap used to close off debate

  20. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 12:00 pm

    What is it with libs and misogyny?

  21. August 8, 2014 12:00 pm

    “George Brandis’s proposals were always compromised because they were motivated as a personal favour for just one man: Andrew Bolt…”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/07/racial-vilification-laws-checkmate-for-andrew-bolt-and-george-brandis-ego?CMP=soc_567

  22. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 12:04 pm

    I am going to assume that wally fully supports this erosion of our freedoms then.

    Free Speech and all that, because this is NOT about our “protection”

    Go and read 1984 again, just to refresh.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/07/terror-legislation-this-law-and-order-binge-will-not-protect-australians

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 12:20 pm

    More … stupidspeak … from Abbott …

    “It is not what you’re doing on the internet, it’s the sites you’re visiting,” he told Channel Nine.

    “It’s not the content, it’s just where you have been, so to speak.”

    But later Mr Abbott said the metadata to be collected would not include people’s browsing history.

    “We are not seeking content, we are seeking metadata,” he said.

    A few questions for … Wally …

    WTF is Abbott talking about? Does HE even know?

    Built any computers lately, Wally?

    What internet security system do you run?

    Any password protection hardware/software?

    How do you wash your incoming emails?

    How do you encrypt your outgoing emails?

    Do you regularly use CC?

    What OS optimiser are you using?

    What’s your IP address? Is it floating or fixed?

    Is your modem password protected?

    How would “you” describe metadata?

    BTW, Just purchased two 1T Samsung SSDs @ $470ea for my planned new PC … good price or what?

  24. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 12:23 pm

    So using your moronic logic TomR we should disband ASIO and just “wing it”.

    And while we are at it lets rip out all the CCTV cameras as well

  25. egg permalink
    August 8, 2014 12:31 pm

    “The terrorist threat in this country has not changed, nevertheless it’s as high as it’s ever been.”

    To paraphrase: The buggers are becoming more sophisticated and we have to keep up to speed.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    August 8, 2014 12:38 pm

    And while we are at it lets rip out all the CCTV cameras as well

    Nah! That’s silly! How would we catch you raping that woman in the park!

    Its an invasion of privacy if I’m videoed chasing women into a park.

    You obviously don’t understand privacy laws either … a park is considered public property therefore photos and videos are legal …

    Do keep up …

  27. Walrus permalink
    August 8, 2014 1:21 pm

    “”You obviously don’t understand privacy laws either …”

    Perhaps you should stop verballing people.

    And by the way privacy laws differ from state to state Mr Expert

  28. Tom R permalink
    August 8, 2014 1:37 pm

    Perhaps you should stop verballing people.

    I AGREE!

    So using your moronic logic TomR we should disband ASIO and just “wing it”.

    😯

  29. August 9, 2014 1:11 am

    Hey Guys without getting to tech head and all I would just like you all to consider the way I see the internet…
    Its complexity and all the smoke beyond the mirrors before you boot up ya blog.. deep beneath your browser… Its the bundled blue underneath you GUI
    Cheers

    All of this stuff has a code that us propeller heads sus out…

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2014 8:50 am

    As far as I’m concerned, if the govt. want to know what I’m doing in the privacy of my own home they can get a warrant for it and show cause to a judge. This metadata collection is wide open to abuse and govt. snooping with retribution and leaking on anyone that criticizes them.

    Hasn’t Edward snowdon already shown that it is a dragnet of info which no one in their right mind gives permission to be obtained let alone kept for 2 years?

  31. egg permalink
    August 9, 2014 9:08 am

    ‘This metadata collection is wide open to abuse and govt. snooping with retribution and leaking on anyone that criticizes them.’

    Keep your nose clean and you’ll have nothing to worry about. The left is paranoid on this issue.

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2014 2:11 pm

    “…Keep your nose clean and you’ll have nothing to worry about. The left is paranoid on this issue…”

    No that argument doesn’t wash at all. It’s not for govt to be spying on all it’s citizens. We have a right to privacy unless we’re suspected of wrongdoing.

    Might as well micro chip everyone at birth and guarantee a compliant population who will never dissent or cause trouble, never a threat to govt.

    Pretty much a police state. Certainly not democratic, it’s the opposite.

    Tugging the forelock to abuse of state power under the pretence of safety and anti terror action is giving away your own freedom and I have nothing but disgust and contempt for people who are happy to do so.

  33. egg permalink
    August 9, 2014 2:42 pm

    You have nothing to fear.

  34. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 9, 2014 3:59 pm

    I know I have nothing to fear, doesn’t mean I accept unwarranted state monitoring and info collected to protect it’s friends, supporters and puppet masters.

  35. August 13, 2014 10:25 pm

    (For certain; Team Australia do not comprehend the linkages between `broadband` and `data-retention`. They are seen as two totally unrelated topics in Team Australia.)

  36. August 13, 2014 10:36 pm

    Terror-nistas have everything to fear, State monitoring will ensure protection from breast cancer terrorism caused by unwarranted abortion feministas.

  37. August 14, 2014 1:09 am

    “Keep your nose clean and you’ll have nothing to worry about. The left is paranoid on this issue.”

    Still the very epitome of a useful idiot I see.

    Stupid cunt.

    What happens when ‘the left’ get into power, dumbass? This kind of broad data collection is subject to abuse by a government of any stripe.
    Realists are cynical about this issue. The ignorant don’t comprehend the potential implications of this issue. And useful idiots who exist to run interference on every single idiotic decision their team makes will apologise & simper over this issue; no matter how indefensible it may or may not be.

    The (domestic) threat is being predictably overstated. Pantywetters will bend over for an invasion of privacy which will never be fully wound back by any government.
    The ultimate example of Big Government. They should stay the fuck out of my headspace unless I’m causing harm or I invite them to monitor my every move/thought/contrarianism.
    It has fuck all to do with guilt & innocence. It is a presumption of potential guilt cast over the entire population.

    Unconvincing AbbottGovt. apologist. One wonders if you’d still support this if the ALP was in power & acting all pro-AGW?…but one doesn’t have to wonder particularly hard. If you would support the ALP in doing so then you’re just another knickerpissing moron who is easily lead by the nose.
    Disingenuous rubbish.

  38. August 14, 2014 1:12 am

    “Tugging the forelock to abuse of state power under the pretence of safety and anti terror action is giving away your own freedom and I have nothing but disgust and contempt for people who are happy to do so.”

    Amen…(to exploit an empty term).

    My sentiments exactly.

  39. egg permalink
    August 14, 2014 7:34 am

    ‘Stupid cunt.’

    I’m not alone, off the top of my head I would say most Australians are with me. Have you considered seeking professional help?

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2014 11:50 am

    I’m not alone, off the top of my head I would say most Australians are with me.

    Still hearing all those voices in your head, I see, egg …

    Scrambled anyone?

  41. August 14, 2014 11:55 am

    If anyone needs professional help, it’s you.

    Cheerleading head apologist. Full of empty propaganda & gutless barbs.

  42. egg permalink
    August 14, 2014 11:57 am

    Much amusement.

    Have you got a link to a poll that proves me wrong?

  43. egg permalink
    August 14, 2014 11:58 am

    I’m not the one with an anger management problem.

  44. August 14, 2014 12:02 pm

    I suppose you have a link to a poll that proves your mindless claims of knowing the opinions of ‘most Australians’ (off the top of your head no less) right?

    There is a large body of evidence to demonstrate that the overwhelming majority of your commentary is pure wanking over Abbott’s every career move. Not much genuine critical thought in any of it.

    Sad fool.

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:04 pm

    This morning, Hockey, talking about Iraq …

    “It is always the case that evil has its way when good people do nothing,” he told ABC radio on Thursday.

    He really needs to look closer to home … especially at himself …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/australia-must-act-on-iraq-evil-hockey/story-e6frfku9-1227024079157

    What a self-centred twit this bloke is …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Have you got a link to a poll that proves me wrong?

    LOL! Like yours … ????

    … off the top of my head I would say most Australians …

  46. August 14, 2014 12:04 pm

    You can rest assured I have no anger management problem. If I use strong language when I address you it is because I find your crawling tone repulsive & I’m not obliged to adopt the same mannerisms.

  47. egg permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:14 pm

    ‘I’m not obliged to adopt the same mannerisms.’

    And I’m not obliged to adopt your larrikin tone.

  48. egg permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:20 pm

    According to Essential I’m wrong.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/08/12/poll_australians_hate_government_data_retention_plan/

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:28 pm

    egg, looking at your replies to toilet, I can say the passive-aggressive ploy just doesn’t wash, and stupid flag waving, prostration before authority does not compensate for lack of argument.
    Most of us see right through you and we hold toilet to be one of the best on this blog [well, speaking for myself really]. You deserve everything you get here because your glib, thoughtless responses and pure barracking-for-libs is no match for the very well articulated comments by toilet. Your behaviour is of a troll and i object to your annoying the shit out of people like toilet to the point that he can’t be bothered to participate on this blog.

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:33 pm

    Cheerleading head apologist. Full of empty propaganda & gutless barbs.

    toilet, i’m with you

    larrikin? WTF?

  51. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:39 pm

    “This kind of broad data collection is subject to abuse by a government of any stripe.”

    My understanding of the legislation is that it is seeking to ensure that metadata currently collected by all the Telcos is kept (by them) for a minimum of 2 years so that it can be accessed if necessary by warrant by government agencies.

    I grant that the government (like the previous one) is very poor at communicating but that’s what the agencies are requesting.

    Telstra currently collects some meta data for upto 7 years and shares some with the FBI (just Google it).

    The smaller Telcos don’t keep the data and get rid of it quite quickly.

    As I’ve said before if you really feel that your privacy is being violated then we should also tear down all the CCTV cameras in every city.

  52. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:46 pm

    Toilet is about the most interesting contributor. No offense to others, but he has the combination of intelligence, non aligned cynicism, humour and reading depth that make all his comments worth reading.

    El Gordo, I think it’s best that you identify someone else (at another site?) to troll.

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:50 pm

    My understanding of the legislation is that it is seeking to ensure that metadata currently collected by all the Telcos is kept (by them) for a minimum of 2 years so that it can be accessed if necessary by warrant by government agencies.

    But they don’t sift through that metadata walrus, they only keep what they need for billing purposes and chuck the rest. Why should the consumers pay higher costs for something the government wants? Why should ISP’s become spies for the state? They say they provide a service to the customer, they are not and do not want to be spy agencies.

  54. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:50 pm

    Plus anecdotally in conversations with one of my in laws who is very senior within the NSW Police Force I can tell you they are shit scared of a targeted terrorist attack on home soil.

    There is a lot the public has not heard about.

    Provided there are safeguards in place I see no problem with simply standardising the time period the data is kept

  55. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:53 pm

    iinet won a court case brought by the hollywood studios re copyright on privacy grounds.

    …In iiNet’s view, we should not be forced to collect, store or match personal information on behalf of third parties – our only obligation is to retain the information necessary to provide, maintain and bill for services. iiNet does not keep any web browsing history or download records, for example…

    See more at: http://blog.iinet.net.au/protecting-your-privacy/#sthash.q5n1YlG2.dpuf

  56. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:56 pm

    “Why should the consumers pay higher costs for something the government wants?”

    The head of Telstra actually commented a few months ago that the extra cost would be minimal for them. He probably regrets that now since that will be quoted back to him if he tries to place too high a charge on storage.

    It will probably affect the smaller Telcos that don’t have the current capacity to store

    Consumers already pay for CCTV in public places I don’t see why that would be such an issue.

    What cost is too high ?

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2014 12:57 pm

    I can tell you they are shit scared of a targeted terrorist attack on home soil.
    There is a lot the public has not heard about.

    They are always shit scared and will always want to control people’s lives and activities in any way they can, there is never enough legislation to satisfy the police and the spies.

    How many terrorist attacks have we actually had? It shows that what we have in existing legislation is enough.

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2014 1:01 pm

    Consumers already pay for CCTV in public places I don’t see why that would be such an issue.

    it is not the consumers who want those, it’s the cops and it doesn’t prevent any crimes at all. I think all it’s done is create a huge boom in hoodie sales [by people who don’t want their every move monitored]

    Why not have more police on the streets, instead of behind speed cameras or protecting the property of the wealthy, that might prevent crime rather than trying to catch a criminal after the fact.

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2014 1:04 pm

    Toilet is about the most interesting contributor. No offense to others, but he has the combination of intelligence, non aligned cynicism, humour and reading depth that make all his comments worth reading.

    Thanks tomM, that’s what I wanted to say and wish that I could have done as well as you!

  60. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2014 1:09 pm

    “”How many terrorist attacks have we actually had? It shows that what we have in existing legislation is enough.””

    None

    But that might be because we have in excess of 20 conspirators in the slammer right now some by accidental discovery of plots. i.e. not by targeted surveillance

  61. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2014 1:10 pm

    “”No offense to others, but he has the combination of intelligence, non aligned cynicism, humour and reading depth that make all his comments worth reading.””

    And he never uses bullet points

  62. #gotiges permalink
    August 14, 2014 1:12 pm

    toiletboss is pissweak, and my football team will beat his on Saturday night, just to prove it.

  63. August 14, 2014 1:20 pm

    #endoffairytalewinningstreak

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 14, 2014 1:23 pm

    hehe gotiges 😆

    And he never uses bullet points

    another of his excellent qualities!

  65. August 14, 2014 1:27 pm

    Honestly, Australia isn’t Syria, Iraq or the US for that matter.

    The threat is overstated. Does anyone actually believe that our community is under widespread threat from a fringe of radical religious lunatics? It’s quite possible that one day we may well suffer a terrorist attack here; likely perhaps. But, even if that did occur, it does not rationalise putting the whole population under digital surveillance in their own homes (the difference between CTV in public, imo…a big difference).

    We should treasure our privacy.

    Given the daily examples of opportunism, cynicism & outright corruption in our politicians I can’t accept that such data collection wouldn’t be subject to abuse at some point. The internet should be kept ‘free’.

    I’m yet to see a reasonable argument as to why the existing (perfectly reasonable) arrangement requiring warrant isn’t sufficient.

    Blindly trusting any government with such a tool is a mistake.

  66. August 14, 2014 1:30 pm

    Thanks for the kind words people.

    I just try & type what I think, without the impulse to curry favour or toe a partisan line. I think most do same.

  67. August 14, 2014 1:37 pm

    Sour grapes much?

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/carlton_sued_under_18c_good/

    Does Bolt have dissonant cognition, or what?

    This is the same ‘Free Speech Warrior’ whose incessant carping about that law (since he ran afoul of it uncoincidentally) attempted to portray himself as a victim & standard bearer for ideals.
    Now he trumpets as the law is turned upon one of his hated ‘leftist’ adversaries.

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2014 1:56 pm

    The head of Telstra actually commented a few months ago that the extra cost would be minimal for them. He probably regrets that now since that will be quoted back to him if he tries to place too high a charge on storage.

    Didn’t I provide a link a few days de-bunking these assertions about Telstra? And here you are again …

    What is it about right wingers that just ignore evidence to the contrary and continue plugging shit …

    http://delimiter.com.au/2013/12/10/telstra-logging-customers-web-email-history/

    Consumers already pay for CCTV in public places I don’t see why that would be such an issue.

    And rightly so … they are PUBLIC places … not PRIVATE data …

    Remember? To catch you raping someone in a public park?

    But that might be because we have in excess of 20 conspirators in the slammer right now some by accidental discovery of plots. i.e. not by targeted surveillance

    And I see the Muslim Council and Imams are slamming the radicals now – finally!

    Saying they are not true Muslims but a radical fringe minority …

    I can’t accept that such data collection wouldn’t be subject to abuse at some point. The internet should be kept ‘free’.

    Absofknlutely! Toillette!

    Blindly trusting any government with such a tool is a mistake.

    Just because this, and any other government I’ve seen in my lifetime are tools themselves!

    Does Bolt have dissonant cognition, or what?

    Probably … but like any right winger he suffers from serious hypocrisy …

    Isn’t it right wingers that constantly taunt the left with socialist, communist totalitarian regimes … and this Federal government has all the hallmarks of exactly that type of master race arrogance …

  69. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2014 1:57 pm

    “I’m yet to see a reasonable argument as to why the existing (perfectly reasonable) arrangement requiring warrant isn’t sufficient.”

    As I said, my understanding is that the ability to access is not being changed.

    They just want all Telcos to be compelled to keep the data for a minimum 2 years so it can be accessed via warrant if necessary.

  70. Walrus permalink
    August 14, 2014 1:59 pm

    “”Given the daily examples of opportunism, cynicism & outright corruption in our politicians I can’t accept that such data collection wouldn’t be subject to abuse at some point.””

    But metadata is how some of that is uncovered.

  71. August 14, 2014 3:29 pm

    I agree with what everyone has said about Tolietboss.

    Frankly I’m sick of the ignorant barbs from egg who simply issues glib one liners and goads people like TB to get a reaction.

    It’s just outright troll behaviour..

    I can feel an instant banning coming on!

  72. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 14, 2014 6:15 pm

    “Sour grapes much?”

    You have to admit it is deliciously funny that Carlton, who gloated at Bolt’s travials with 18C, is now going to be dragged through the same process.

    Of course Carlton should not be sued – precisely because people do have a right to be bigots. Brandis was right.

    Hell, Carlton shouldn’t have even have lost his job. Even though it doesn’t happen often these days, Carlton can still sometimes be very funny indeed.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2014 6:40 pm

    Hell, Carlton shouldn’t have even have lost his job.

    Actually he didn’t … he fell on his sword … unlike the whimpering Bolt who “suffered” the “trauma” and lives still at Abused News Ltd …

    Standards and integrity … how the world has faltered …

    Still, a good war will always fix everything … ask Tones … Tallyho!~ Fuckwitted Moron™©®<3 …

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2014 6:49 pm

    … and goads people like TB to get a reaction.

    … my choice to react, sreb … if I object to anything here, its Kneels “personalisation” of politics … as if anyone who voted for Rudd had any influence other than corrupt big business or union bosses …

    … this blanket tarring unions is really annoying having worked with many unions who have provided support and ideas to management …

    … the Hawk/Keating Accords are proof of the way governments should operate … with fairness to all … unions, employees, employers and business unions …

    The AMA … was referred to a couple of nights ago on TV as – the doctor’s union … by Hockey??? And it IS …

  75. August 14, 2014 6:54 pm

    “if I object to anything here, its Kneels “personalisation” of politics …”

    Yes, but we kind of have Neil here just for old time’s sake, and at least his mum knows where he is.

  76. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2014 7:12 pm

    Yes, but we kind of have Neil here just for old time’s sake, and at least his mum knows where he is.

    And the Cafes closed … does he have a mum?

  77. public toilet permalink
    August 14, 2014 7:17 pm

    I’m in favour of (metaphorically) slapping it down rather than banning it. Most of what it spouts is easily dismissed as trite barracking & unconvincing rearguard defence of Team Abbott.

    But, all participants here are obviously at the pleasure (or lack thereof) of the host.

  78. August 14, 2014 7:20 pm

    Fair enough Boss.

  79. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2014 8:12 pm

    And I’m not a fan on the ban as you know … but does that mean I too can become a feral fuckwit!

    I prefer some reasoned argument … at least sb, makes the attempt …

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 14, 2014 9:45 pm

    “if I object to anything here, its Kneels “personalisation” of politics

    The truth usually hurts. Fact is a vote for Labor is a vote for a trashed budget. All the GFC did was accelerate what was always going to happen.

    The trouble is Labor supporters are too greedy. They saw the Costello surplus budgets and did not like that. They wanted the money spent on themselves. It was the Labor supporters human greed which produced the trashed budget.

    The ALP cannot control its spending.

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    August 14, 2014 10:14 pm

    The ALP cannot control its spending.

    And you can’t control your brainfarts …

  82. Meta permalink
    August 15, 2014 1:39 am

    (I still reckon you close-watch subjects worry too much; the opening for business of an Australian Branch of Not The Office Of Total Information Awareness is a) less about bringing the unquestionable joys of a pervasive and secretive police state to a general class of potential criminals consisting of all of you lot, all of the time, and not least when you’re plotting politically about a good government, and the kinds of good civil and criminal and quasi-criminal legislations and regulations a good government and its agencies and agents could yield citizens, and b) more about George Brandis feeling a little bit left out of all the extraordinary paramilitarisations of civil government apparati which proactive members of Team Australia are achieving on your behalves; especially as, technically speaking, George is the only responsible minister with ‘General’ actually somewhere in his job title, and because it can’t always be all about ASIO and the yarts.)

  83. Meta permalink
    August 15, 2014 4:59 am

    (On the 18C thingo, it makes some sense, I guess, that an ‘AWM’ petro-chem engineer and apparent follower of Larry Pickering, Ray Hadley, Alan Jones, the One True News of The Australian, etcetera would arc up at abuse in general, abuse in particular, and abuse incidental of the Murdoch Press by the ABC’s Media Watch; but Sharri Markson’s re-reported reporting of an ostensible avoidance of action by ‘Jewish organisations’ on the matter is, perhaps, a little (un)surprising, given the widespread publication(s) of Mike Carlton’s vile texts, his misrepresentative comments of/about the State of Israel and/or its people vis-a-vis its actions and its responsibilities pursuant to (inter)national law, and the obvious inability of the barbarian Carlton to defend himself or his extensive catalogue of anti-Semitic offensivity, in any rational context, or on any of the prescribed grounds (un)available to Andrew Bolt.)

  84. egg permalink
    August 15, 2014 6:51 am

    ‘Fears are growing for the 300 Yazidi women reportedly kidnapped by Islamic State fighters last week amid claims they would be used to bear children to break up the ancient sect’s bloodline.

    ‘The minority group is originally Aryan and has retained a fairer complexion, blonde hair and blue eyes by only marrying within the community.

    ‘But in a furious bid to convert all non-Muslims, ISIS jihadists have vowed to impregnate the hostages.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2724658/Were-not-leaving-Yazidis-refusing-come-mountain-300-women-stolen-ISIS-impregnated-smash-blond-bloodline.html#ixzz3AOy3GD1t
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  85. Meta permalink
    August 15, 2014 7:22 am

    (So, what does that all mean for Operation Yazidi Liberation? Or for the millions of Aryan-derived and non-Aryan-derived internally or externally displaced refugees? Or for the Australian Government’s apparent suspension/reversal of a general policy of not particularly selecting refugees from Iraq and for returning Iraqi asylum-seekers to a safe Iraq? Or for the incidental claim that the Peshmerga Line could (make) do with more practical reinforcement of material support? Or for the Australian Government’s and its partners to successfully prosecute a public case under an R2P(-like) doctrine?) )

  86. egg permalink
    August 15, 2014 7:43 am

    ‘So, what does that all mean….’

    Jihadists are not freedom fighters, they are scum and deserve an international bounty on their heads.

    ‘On the night of 14–15 April 2014, 276 female students were kidnapped from the Government Secondary School in the town of Chibok in Borno State, Nigeria. The kidnappings were claimed by Boko Haram, an Islamic Jihadist and terrorist organization based in northeast Nigeria.

    ‘As of 29 June, more than 200 students were still missing. Boko Haram has said that it wants to sell the girls.

    ‘The Nigerian government has been heavily criticised for failing to protect the population and end Boko Haram terrorist actions.’

    Wiki

  87. egg permalink
    August 17, 2014 8:31 am

    Act of Dog

    ‘Islamic State militants today ‘massacred’ more than 300 Yazidi men – just one day after allegedly killing 82 others who refused to convert to Islam.

    ‘The insurgents stormed into the small village of Kocho in northern Iraq, where they spent five days trying to persuade villagers to take up their religion, local officials said.

    ‘When they refused, 82 male members of the ancient sect were reportedly rounded up and shot dead yesterday, while more than 100 women and girls were kidnapped.

    ‘And today, a further 312 Yazidis were allegedly murdered and their families abducted.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726367/UK-deploys-spy-plane-Iraq.html#ixzz3Ab42VZHs
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  88. egg permalink
    August 18, 2014 8:21 am

    Holy Moly this is where I grew up, might do a google wander and see what happened to the churches.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/last-drinks-in-lakemba-tim-blair-takes-a-look-inside-sydneys-muslim-land/story-fni0cx12-1227027488266

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 25, 2014 10:20 am

    We often hear mealy-mouthed morons bleating about the “tiny minority” of radicals among the Islamic community. In fact it seems that the alleged minority is not so tiny, at least according to a significant chunk of the Islamic community, including those listed here who signed off on this statement:

    We also reject government attempts to divide the Muslim community into ‘radicals’ and ‘moderates’ and to use the community for its agenda.

    Dividing the Muslim community into ‘radicals’ and ‘moderates’ is the sort of sophistry we expect from cretinous leftists trying to explain why 90% of terror attacks in the world are carried out in the name of Islam. But when it comes to the crunch it seems that that distinction is illulsory.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    August 25, 2014 12:01 pm

    sb, I find that document disturbing in a number of ways … this statement (as well as the one you highlight) seem to demonstrate that the Muslim leadership has its own agenda too …

    It is instructive that similar issues about Australian troops travelling abroad to fight or Jews travelling to train or fight with the Israeli Defence Force are simply never raised.

    While I absolutely disagreed with the war in VN I would not consider the VNV to be anything like the sick muslim radicals fighting in ISIS …

    Sharia Law has always been mooted as a tenet of Muslim World Dominance, as I understand it.

    However, my neighbours are Muslim and really nice Australians … not all are radical …

    I’m Australian … I guess that’s the “hidden agenda” I sense with the Muslim Statement … a distancing from the mainstream …

    However, Team Australia, is a farce …

    … and the muslins* are no better than the catliks … just a bit later that’s all … different century same modus operandi … kill, torture, rape and terrorise to force people to “believe” …

  91. August 25, 2014 12:03 pm

    I have turned SB’s comment into a dedicated post here:

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/08/25/who-are-these-so-called-muslim-radicals/

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