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August 28, 2014

joehockey470

Hi everyone,

Here is another spontaneous and totally sporadic open discussion thread….!

 

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  1. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2014 11:01 am

    Will the gubamint listen to this sort of advice?

    “Age pension spending is rising at about 7 per cent per annum, but tax concessions are rising much faster at about 11 per cent per annum,” Dr Ingles said.

    “The problem is that although the age pension is directed to low-income earners in particular, tax concessions disproportionately benefit high-income earners, and very markedly so. It’s quite perverse how much they benefit high-income earners.”

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/australia-institutes-david-ingles-calls-for-universal-age-pension-20140827-10900b.html#ixzz3BdV6fWLY

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 28, 2014 11:05 am

    I don’t want this to be misconstrued but this government is, down to the very last one of them a rag-tag collection deeply stupid, utterly incompetent, self-interested juvenile dolts.

    I get that Labor has union control issues, but this lot prove only that our political system is an utter failure when it comes to delivering good government. ICAC has given us a clue as to the underlying cause of the problem – that the pre-requisites to pre-selection consist of having a flexible approach to bribery, a can-do approach to vested interests and being previously rejected as too juvenile to join the Mickey Mouse Club. I guess this is what happens whent he party executive is controlled by influence-peddling get-rich-quick racketeers.

    It is poetic justice that these kindergarten crooks, so willing to bend-over for shonks of every description, are now being rear-ended by the great schlong of justice.

  3. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2014 11:06 am

    Those lazy public servants

    Now, seven months after the old agreement expired, talks on a new deal are bogged down over the regulation of working hours with staff at the agency unhappy about the amount of unpaid overtime they have been working.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/barnaby-joyce-slackness-cost-us-our-pay-rise-say-researchers-20140827-108vri.html#ixzz3BddciTDt

  4. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2014 11:10 am

    I get that Labor has union control issues

    Every major political party (or organization) will have these issues, power will attract corruption.

    At least with Unions, their core objective is to look after workers. As has been shown time and again, when there is corruption amongst them, it is most often exposed by members or underlings who are still trying to do what unions are supposed to.

    That to me is the over-arching positive of still having so much union influence within the party itself.

    Don’t forget the workers.

  5. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 28, 2014 11:18 am

    As to the failure of our political system, even Jonathan Green gets it:

    the paradox at the core of our political dysfunction: that the things that succeed in modern politics are the very things that also undermine its worth as a system of policy delivery. In modern political triumph we see the seeds of political decline.

    Its fatal flaw, the elements that combine so ruthlessly in modern, professionalised political practice: the cynical building blocks of contemporary political triumph.

  6. August 28, 2014 11:26 am
  7. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 28, 2014 11:46 am

    I’d say that chap is a foot-fetishest trawling for company.

  8. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2014 11:49 am

    But Jonathan Green also assiduously avoids the Elephant, that he is also a part of

    Labor even took that a self-destructive step further, being so self absorbed and clueless that Abbott was able to fight the 2013 campaign pretty much as a champion of the ALP agenda, a Gonski-friendly, ABC supporting, proponent of universal health care and the social wage.

    But WHY?

    Did he or his media chums aver really challenge tabot on his me-tooisms, that didn’t even survive into the first year.

    The only reason tabot could run such a negative NO campaign was because of both the media’s unquestioning relaying of all negatives he put out (many of them actually fomented by the media themselves), and their total inability to challenge him at all on HOW he was going achieve all of his wild promises of milk and honey.

    Yet they sit back now in wonder at how this all came about.

    Bewildering really

  9. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 12:01 pm

    ‘In modern political triumph we see the seeds of political decline.’

    Its a universal problem in all political systems.

    ‘Fighting corruption has been a top priority of the CPC Central Committee since November 2012, when the Party’s new leadership was elected. President Xi Jinping told disciplinary officials early this year that they should fight corruption with firm resolution “like using strong medicine to cure a serious illness.”

    ‘In January last year, Xi said that anti-graft authorities should go after both “flies” and “tigers” — meaning corrupt officials of both lower and senior levels.

    ‘A total of 38 “tigers” — senior officials of provincial level and above — have been probed since the CPC elected its new leadership.’

    China Daily

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2014 1:09 pm

    And in the real political world … we just received our next power contract from AGL … surprisingly its gone up …

    … the 12% “discount” we got before is no longer the supply cost has risen from $0.5166 pd to $0.8341 (ex GST) Tariff 11 from $0.2748 to $0.2801 … solar is still @ $0.52 …

    Checked around Australian Energy came close but their rep said we wouldn’t do better than AGL he also said the best discount for SOLAR owners was 3% – Noddy at work?)

    iSelect agreed … and informed us that the discount for the repeal of the Carbon Tax would not arrive until after September …

    Isn’t “free” enterprise for government utility services great ….

    Just sayin’ …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    sb, August 28, 2014 11:05 am

    Most of us have been saying similar for some time … only twits actually defend left or right … its hard to find anything good to compliment!

    I also agree with, TR, that unions are necessary … having been a union rep and a manager for many years and involved in H&S at all levels, managers DO need to be questioned every once in a while … it seems only the “bad” unions get the airplay not the “effective” ones …

  11. August 28, 2014 1:09 pm
  12. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 1:50 pm

    ‘HOW he was going achieve all of his wild promises of milk and honey.’

    Before the next election he will spell it out a little more clearly, now that he has the levers of government at his disposal.

  13. August 28, 2014 2:09 pm

    “The Age of Entitlement is Over”
    (Terms and conditions apply)

  14. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2014 2:16 pm

    now that he has the levers of government at his disposal.

    Actually, they were at his disposal last time.

    Not to mention, they had a plan, ready to go, so they told us.

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 28, 2014 2:30 pm

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/awu-slush-fund-in-spotlight-as-royal-commission-calls-julia-gillard/story-fng5kxvh-1227039326535

    THE royal commission into union corruption is calling Julia Gillard and a serving Federal Court judge, her former boss at law firm Slater & Gordon, to give evidence about allegations of fraud in the AWU slush fund scandal.

    Other witnesses asked to provide statements and give evidence include one of Ms Gillard’s best friends, Robyn McCleod, senior solicitor John Cain junior, Queensland millionaire coal¬miner and marina owner Paul Darrouzet, former AWU Victoria boss Bob Smith, and former heads of building company Thiess.

    The hearings will occur over three days from September 9 when the anti-graft probe returns to its investigation of a union slush fund, which was established with legal advice from Ms Gillard to her then boyfriend, allegedly corrupt Australian Workers Union boss Bruce Wilson.
    Justice Murphy headed the industrial unit at Slater & Gordon until he and Ms Gillard left the firm in 1995 amid a breakdown in trust among the firm’s partners over the discovery of the fund and a public controversy over another matter. The fund, called the AWU Workplace Reform Association, received large sums of money from Thiess in the 1990s. Shortly before she left the firm as a salaried partner, Slater & Gordon’s then boss, Peter Gordon, conducted an internal probe into the fund amid concerns that Mr Wilson, whose union was a significant client of the firm, had used it in a large fraud.

    This should be fun to follow!

    I wonder whether Ms Gillard will trot out a variation of “young & naïve”?

    Here’s my tip for her excuse – “I was only a mid 30’s law partner with a union aligned law firm and I was also a political activist, how was I to know helping my client/boyfriend establish a slush fund for his personal use was shady?”

  16. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 2:51 pm

    ‘…they had a plan, ready to go, so they told us.’

    They’ll whinge its a hostile senate frustrating them, but in reality they have to wait for the FTA with China and Japan to blossom later this year.

  17. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 3:03 pm

    “When young I got mixed up with a bad crowd, Trots and the like. After the fall of the Berlin Wall we decided to disband and become free radicals in main stream politics, and look at where it got me… but I digress.

    “On the matter in question, my only defence is that I was foolishly in love at the time and lost all reason.”

  18. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 3:44 pm

    “And I hope my leading role in the Global Partnership for Education, which is working to help get some 57 million children into schools, will have some bearing on my sentence. It takes little to please me.”

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2014 3:45 pm

    … but in reality they have to wait for the FTA with China and Japan to blossom later this year.

    Yeah, like a rampant fkn weed … FTA’s have always gone one way … try buying technology from the USA … you know country that wanted an FTA but with access changes to the PBS!

  20. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 28, 2014 3:45 pm

  21. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 3:49 pm

    ‘FTA’s have always gone one way ‘

    This will be different and very much in our favour, its the new third way.

  22. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 4:01 pm

    Barnaby is heading off to China next week to explain that the fat one speaks for himself and lacks finesse, nothing to do with our government.

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2014 4:23 pm

    Just arrived. Wonder how long they’ve been working on this letter … 🙄

    Dear Mr TB,

    Today Qantas announced its full year financial results, an update on the accelerated Transformation program announced last February and the outcomes of the Structural Review announced last December. I have received many questions in the lead up to today and wanted to reach out to you with an update as a valued customer.

    Financial Year Results and Transformation Program

    Today’s financial year results are confronting. But they represent the year that is past. The Group is addressing its major challenges and we have now come through the worst. Our Transformation program is on track. Our overall financial performance is rapidly improving and, subject to events outside our control, the Group is expecting to a return to an Underlying PBT profit in the first half of the current financial year.

    Structural Review including Qantas Loyalty

    The Structural Review announced last December is now complete and the results include the following decisions:

    • No sale of Qantas Loyalty. Qantas Loyalty is a standout business of the Qantas Group, which I am proud to lead. After careful consideration, our judgement was that Qantas Loyalty continued to offer significant growth opportunities and there was insufficient justification to sell any part of it.
    • The continuing sale of non-core assets such as airport terminals, land and property holdings, where this enhances shareholder value.
    • As a result of recent amendments to the Qantas Sale Act, and building on the existing domestic and international airline separation at internal management level, Qantas will establish a new holding structure and corporate entity for Qantas International. This is about creating longer term options for this great airline – there are no changes to network, staffing or operations as a result of today’s announcement.
    • As a consequence of this change, accounting rules require assets to be reassessed. The international fleet value has been written down to be aligned to current market value. This writedown is the biggest component in today’s result but it is a non-cash cost and does not alter the fundamentals of our business.
    • No new Jetstar ventures will be established while the Group is focused on transformation. Substantial value exists across the Jetstar Group airlines to be realised over time.

    Investing in Customers

    Customers are at the heart of everything we do at Qantas. We are continuing to invest to make your experience even better.

    • We will continue to introduce more everyday ways for members to earn and redeem Qantas Points to add to the thousands of opportunities that exist today.
    • In the past year Qantas Loyalty has introduced Qantas Cash, the award winning prepaid travel card; Aquire, the new loyalty program for small and medium enterprises; and qantaspoints.com – a dedicated website for members and partners, including an Online Mall. The Qantas Golf Club is planned for launch this coming summer and we will continue to focus on innovating to further reward members.
    • We keep investing in our people to deliver outstanding customer service and continue to lead on key indicators, including customer advocacy and on-time performance.
    • We are accelerating the retirement of older aircraft and updating and reconfiguring the cabins of our Airbus A330 and Boeing B738 fleets. The upgrade of our Airbus A330 fleet features new Business fully flat beds and the latest Panasonic entertainment system, to be progressively introduced on our domestic and international network from late 2014.
    • We are investing in new and expanded international and domestic lounges. In addition to the recently opened Los Angeles Business, Hong Kong and Singapore lounges, the new Los Angeles First and expanded Business lounges will open later this year. Lounge upgrades will also be introduced domestically in Darwin and Brisbane.

    Thank you for your Loyalty

    Loyalty is a relationship business, and I sincerely appreciate the commitment of our members, partners and people. We will do everything in our power to keep earning and deserving that support. We have a lot of exciting plans for our customers.

    We are looking to the future, can move forward with certainty and are passionately committed to rewarding you for your loyalty, whether on the ground, or in the air.

    More detail on our result is available from qantasnewsroom.com.au.

    Yours sincerely,

    Lesley Grant
    CEO Qantas Loyalty

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2014 4:24 pm

    Barnaby is heading off to China next week to explain that the fat one speaks for himself and lacks finesse, nothing to do with our government.

    Chortle, Barnaby couldn’t explain how he unzips his fly!

  25. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 4:34 pm

    Barnaby is affable and his red neck won’t go to waste, being a man of the land.

  26. Meta permalink
    August 28, 2014 4:54 pm

    (Stay calm and have a cone.)

  27. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 4:55 pm

    And they may even get around to discussing ANDEV.

  28. August 28, 2014 4:55 pm

    “Barnaby is affable”

    They said that about Joe.

    Now look at him.

  29. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 4:58 pm

    Barnaby has been known to put foot in mouth on a number of occasions, but hopefully that is all behind him.

  30. August 28, 2014 5:09 pm
  31. armchair opionator permalink
    August 28, 2014 5:39 pm

    “…I wonder whether Ms Gillard will trot out a variation of “young & naïve”?…”

    I think I might prefer that to “I can’t recall”

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2014 6:39 pm

    Barnaby is affable …

    Barnaby is exactly what he is … a Prime Fuckwit™ … and obviously the voters in New England are even bigger Yokel Fuckwits™ …

    Stupid is as Stupid does … the man is a moron … how he ever graduated I’ll never know – like his boss he can’t string three words together … only difference is that he doesn’t have a minder like Abbott …

    He does one thing in common with Abbott tho’:

    After graduating, Joyce moved around northern New South Wales and Queensland, and at one point worked as a bouncer

    … I could just see it … chortle!

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2014 6:46 pm

    And just because this is Rostrum! (I think there’s a difference?)

    And because we spend most of our time bagging people …

    A big kudos to Telstra!

    I’m on a 50gb cable broadband plan … little did I realise that buying the new Battlefield 4* would take up 31 gigs!

    With eight days to go … I asked for, and am happily using, one of my three annual “free top-ups” instead of being slowed …

    Many thanks Telstra from a customer who’s been with you for 45 years!

    *How could I resist a special Origin member’s $30!

    C’mon, Wally, you can practice with all the weapons and we could meet up …

  34. August 28, 2014 6:47 pm

    [splatter]”””rear-ended by the great schlong of justice”””
    #agree splatter, every day it just gets a little bit worse, tho l doubt many here are surprised
    .
    [tb]”””its hard to find anything good to compliment!”””
    its hard to find anything that doesn`t make the blood boil or feel disgusted, if not beating-up on minimum workers, its the retired, disabled, boat-people, sick or some other poor bastard that is down in life #teabags

  35. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 6:52 pm

    Barnaby is a man of the land and the Chinese will overlook any minor indiscretions if he can swing a big deal.

    “I can’t recall”

    That’s funny Kitty but it won’t wash. Anyway they are after the judge, he’s a veritable tiger compared to jools.

  36. armchair opionator permalink
    August 28, 2014 7:00 pm

    The foreign copyright cartel goes gunning for Aussie ISPs:
    “…The funniest part of the paper, however, is its response to the question “What rights should consumers have in response to any scheme or ‘reasonable steps’ taken by ISPs or rights holders? Does the legislative framework need to provide for these rights?”, to which it devotes six paragraphs explaining that consumers should have no rights, because the proposed US scheme has worked perfectly…”

  37. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 28, 2014 7:04 pm

    What is it with lefties and stupid pictures with stupid captions. Every leftie seems to do it.

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2014 7:11 pm

    What is it with rusted on righties and stupid pictures with stupid captions. Every rusted on can’t do it.

    It must be to do with intelligence and capability …

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2014 7:13 pm

    That’s funny Kitty but it won’t wash. Anyway they are after the judge, he’s a veritable tiger compared to jools.

    a) we know

    b) we don’t fkn care

  40. TB Queensland permalink
    August 28, 2014 7:15 pm

    … because the proposed US scheme has worked perfectly…”

    And that’s why the music industry ended up embracing the internet to do business and profits soared !

    Stupid is as stupid does!

  41. August 28, 2014 7:32 pm

    “I don’t want this to be misconstrued but this government is, down to the very last one of them a rag-tag collection deeply stupid, utterly incompetent, self-interested juvenile dolts.”

    This is why I always take the time to appreciate your inputs. Even those I disagree with. I find them to be honest.
    I prefer that to partisan snailtrail sniffing any day of the week.
    I also find common ground with all honest people, more often than not.

    Now I’ll read the rest of this thread & run up against some of your highly amusing hyperbole; probably ( 🙂 ).

  42. Tom R permalink
    August 28, 2014 7:35 pm

    This will be different

    Have you looked at the sterling job they did with Japans “free” trade.

    The only “free” part is what they get from us ffs.

  43. armchair opionator permalink
    August 28, 2014 7:41 pm

    What is it with rusted on nut jobs just taking up space.

    If you’ve got nothing to say, you could just say nothing, better than pointless gibberish and tryhard smartarsery. I’m pretty much over the rancid young libber act.

  44. August 28, 2014 7:48 pm

    “Stay calm and have a cone.”

    Don’t mind if I do…

  45. August 28, 2014 7:50 pm

    “And they may even get around to discussing ANDEV”

    Bitch of the rockshifter.

    Walter Mitty & the wishful enthusiasts…

  46. August 28, 2014 7:53 pm

    Battlefield 4 is immersive fun, especially now that the early bugs have been largely ironed out.

  47. August 28, 2014 7:58 pm

    ”””US scheme has worked perfectly”””
    #guffaw . . when was the last time ya`saw `any` yank scheme work adequately, let alone perfectly

  48. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 8:06 pm

    ‘The only “free” part is what they get from us ffs.’

    We stopped making cars and they opened up their agricultural markets, its a win/win.

  49. August 28, 2014 8:16 pm

    Free Trade Agreement…

    The Ultimate Orwellian Misnomer. Every word bastardised…

  50. armchair opionator permalink
    August 28, 2014 8:23 pm

    IIRC the yanks have tried to sue a mass of people for copyright piracy but it didn’t fly at all, the individual was protected.
    They would have to track down 100’s of 1000’s of individual ip addresses and prove each case.

    http://rt.com/usa/broad-piracy-lawsuits-judge-rule-437/

  51. armchair opionator permalink
    August 28, 2014 8:28 pm

    I found a nice picture just for kneel

  52. egg permalink
    August 28, 2014 8:29 pm

    The new Maglev looks promising, can carry 1000 people at 500 kph and its carbon friendly. Japan is so keen to get a demonstration up and running that they are prepared to pay for half the cost of building a line between Washington and Boston.

    http://www.dw.de/japan-to-start-work-on-first-long-distance-maglev-line/a-17879028

  53. August 28, 2014 9:28 pm

    ”””””””””””””A federal judge has ruled that copyright holders seeking to file suit against online pirates may not join multiple defendants into one suit, likely ending a method that entertainment studios have long relied upon to intimidate users into settlements.
    http://rt.com/usa/broad-piracy-lawsuits-judge-rule-437/
    ”””via””armchair”””””””

    # haha #go bittorrent . . 🙂

  54. armchair opionator permalink
    August 28, 2014 10:45 pm

    What could possibly be next?

  55. August 28, 2014 11:55 pm

    What is it with lefties and stupid pictures with stupid captions. Every leftie seems to do it.

    I’m no Leftie but us centrists are quite fond of a good visual
    he’s one we took of Squeal at work today

    Pure Gold AO..nice snap..two great economic anti Joe’s

    Still waiting….Answer the Question
    Is Abbott a good leader…?
    Is he a good PM?
    What are his enduring intellectual and affable attributes?
    What is his parliamentary legacy?
    What legislation has he championed and written that has benefited Australia?
    Are you a member of a Union?

  56. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 6:59 am

    Thin Edge of Wedge

    ‘EMPLOYERS will be able to hire foreign workers on salaries up to 10 per cent below standard rates for skilled migrants under a new federal government plan to ease dangerous ­labour shortages.

    ‘Staring down union fears over imported labour, the federal government will allow employers to seek lower pay rates and easier language tests for foreign workers who can meet an urgent demand for skills in regions that are losing staff.’

    Crowe / Oz

  57. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 6:59 am

    We stopped making cars and they opened up their agricultural markets, its a win/win.

    Unless of course you live in Elizabeth or Geelong.

    Mind you, bringing imports of frozen beef down to 19.5% from Australia while removing ALL tariffs on them importing cars here doesn’t seem very “free”, does it.

    And some numbnuts still argue it is our wages killing the industry, when in fact, it is this removal of a level playing field that is doing it.

  58. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:04 am

    to ease dangerous ­labour shortages.

    What could go wrong?

    from the article

    “supplement rather than substitute” Australian workers.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/pay-cut-for-foreign-workers/story-fn59noo3-1227040705100

    What is our unemployment rate again? And which direction is it travelling in? What “­labour shortage”. Why not call it what it is, and “incentive shortage”

    Nice, kill off our manufacturing industry, then employ people willing to work for less than we do. A race to the bottom.

    Meanwhile, we pay for their overnight flights to shore up their own support.

    fucking leaners!

  59. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:19 am

    Barnaby Joyce agrees with TR on the FTA with Japan.

    On the wages front it all seems a little dodgy, its ear marked for the regions but has a potential drift factor to the cities. The 10% reduction in wages is a dead give away, the thin edge, Abbott fully intends to make unions irrelevant and weaken the ALP.

  60. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:20 am

    Kinda scary, and might even make eggs ramblings come true (even scarier)


    For years, Dr. Ken Caldeira’s interest in planet hacking made him a curious outlier in his field. A highly respected atmospheric scientist, he also describes himself as a “reluctant advocate” of researching solar geoengineering—that is, large-scale efforts to artificially manage the amount of sunlight entering the atmosphere, in order to cool off the globe.
    ……

    To reiterate: Caldeira’s models show that if climate change continues, everyone, from the poor nations in the tropics, to the rich ones in the Northern Hemisphere, would reap benefits—more productive crops, less sweltering temperatures—from a simulated volcanic eruption.

    http://motherboard.vice.com/read/ken-caldeira-climate-geoengineering

    As long as they don’t then try something like Space Elevator I guess!

  61. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:25 am

    but has a potential drift factor to the cities.

    no shit sherlock.

    I thought they might back off a bit after the disaster of their budget. It appears they are intent on destroying the very fabric of our country, and dragging us back down with the poorer nations, instead of maintaining or even increasing our lifestyle.

    Except for them of course.

  62. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:28 am

    Nobody rorts like tabots crowd

    A $300m “community development grants program” is actually a government “slush fund” because 80% of the grants have gone to marginal electorates that the Coalition was targeting in the 2013 poll, the Labor party claims.

    $257m of the $307m fund went to Coalition electorates, including 230 projects in the 15 most marginal seats at the centre of last year’s election battle. Only $30m went to Labor-held seats.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/28/labor-accuses-tony-abbott-community-grants-slush-fund

  63. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:46 am

    ‘…and dragging us back down with the poorer nations, instead of maintaining or even increasing our lifestyle.’

    There will be much discussion in the media over the government’s intentions, but we shouldn’t concern ourselves too much.

    Wages growth has stabilised because of low interest rates and the economy is trending towards deflation. Walrus might critique my thinking on this, but I don’t see any wages contamination from the regions to the cities.

    For example, a Chinese VFT rail builder will get 10 percent less than the Aussie doing the same work. Its small beer.

  64. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:49 am

    There will be much discussion in the media

    No there won’t

    but we shouldn’t concern ourselves too much.

    Yes we should

    Walrus might critique my thinking on this

    Yes he should

    For example, a Chinese VFT rail builder will get 10 percent less than the Aussie doing the same work.

    So, you are a supporter of a race to the bottom then?

  65. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:52 am

    Meanwhile, it appears they are busy killing off another industry

    The clean energy industry has warned moves to abolish the target threaten more than $10 billion in investment, 5000 existing jobs and 18,000 jobs into the future.

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott has previously said the RET puts “significant” pressure on electricity prices but government commissioned modelling for the review showed that consumers would be $56 better off, on average, a year from 2021 if the target was kept in place.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/clean-energy-industry-calls-for-inquiry-into-renewable-energy-target-review-20140827-10974m.html

    If we are in the business of killing jobs, the we are definitely open for business

  66. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:55 am

    Here is a successful geo engineering experiment.

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:56 am

    “And some numbnuts still argue it is our wages killing the industry, when in fact, it is this removal of a level playing field that is doing it.”

    Yep at the moment that is my opinion. High wages killed the auto industry. And by high wages i mean wages much higher than people in similar industries in Australia were being paid. Same goes for management. But it may be also no matter what the wages we could not compete. Stupid comments by the fool TomR will not save what manufacturing we have left.

    We no longer make televisions here TomR and most white goods are imported. The television repair man no longer exists. If a TV breaks down you just throw it out and buy another one.

    “Thin Edge of Wedge”

    Makes no sense to me. The govt is mad to be doing something like this. What Labor shortages??

  68. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:58 am

    ‘So, you are a supporter of a race to the bottom then?’

    I’m down the bottom and its not all bad, there is such a thing as quality of life.

  69. armchair opionator permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:59 am

    So, according to egg, people in the country areas should receive less pay than others and they should compete directly with imported economic refugees!
    Everyone should rush here from around the globe to help Gina and Co save more billions. Unless your only means of arrival is a leaky old boat, then it’s piss off mate we’re full

  70. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 8:03 am

    There are jobs the Australians won’t do, even if we put 10% on top. The flies, heat and vast open spaces are better suited to foreigners who are just glad to have a job.

  71. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 8:19 am

    Stupid comments by the fool TomR will not save what manufacturing we have left.

    I’m only going on facts, you can stick with your “opinion”

    However, the great irony is that if we look at the way productivity is measured – as value-added per worker – then the Australian car industry’s productivity is substantially above average. ABS data shows that productivity in the Australian car industry sits at something over $100,000 per worker, compared to around $85,000 across the economy. (Information available here and here)

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-14/toner—car-manufacturing-in-australia/4886462

  72. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2014 8:44 am

    Well here is another opinion by a right winger. Don’t know if it is true or not but it is worth a read

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/enterprise-bargaining-with-union-sealed-fate/story-fnkdypbm-1226781040913

    In September 2011, thousands of Toyota workers went on a protracted strike to get a 12 per cent pay rise. The company caved in; a deal with a 13 per cent pay rise between then and March 2015 was given. Base rates for technical and trade workers are in the $65,000 to $97,000 range with generous allowances, loadings and penalties on top.”

    With overtime some of these guys could be on $100K/year plus. How much do nurses get? How much do the components manufacturers who will also leave when Holden/Toyota leave pay their workforce?

    I know management will screw workers if they can which is why Unions must exist. But $100,000/year for a Qantas baggage handler or a Toyota production line worker explains why these companies are having trouble.

  73. armchair opionator permalink
    August 29, 2014 8:52 am

    “…If we are in the business of killing jobs, the we are definitely open for business…”

    Yeah, we’re in the business of increasing the profits for foreign owned companies.

  74. Walrus permalink
    August 29, 2014 9:11 am

    “”C’mon, Wally, you can practice with all the weapons and we could meet up …””

    OK…………………..I’ll be riding in my T26 Pershing with an M30 beside me……………………………..LOL

    Should be a good 3 second duel with your pissy little T34

  75. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 9:12 am

    Well here is another opinion by a right winger.

    Like I said, I’ll stick to the facts 😉

  76. Walrus permalink
    August 29, 2014 9:13 am

    “”Meanwhile, it appears they are busy killing off another industry””

    You obviously misunderstand Government policy.

    They are trying to get rid of job subsidisation policies

  77. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 9:45 am

    They are trying to get rid of job subsidisation policies

    Then they still have a way to go, and we will find ourselves unable to compete with other countries who do subsidise industries, which is pretty much ALL of them

    Let’s be clear about this: virtually every industry in Australia is subsidised, directly or indirectly, via government hand-outs.

    http://theconversation.com/is-supporting-the-car-industry-so-expensive-compared-to-our-heavily-subsidised-lives-13386

  78. Meta permalink
    August 29, 2014 9:47 am

    (So, do companies and other tax(-li-)able entities pay taxes to afford record infrastructure programmes…

    We will cut company tax – making it easier for many small businesses and our record $50 billion infrastructure programme is underway. This programme means that major works are happening in our cities and regional areas.
    http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2014-08-24/message-prime-minister-building-stronger-economy-0

    Or, do they not…
    Well, Penny Wong was part of a Government that saddled every Australian man, woman and child with debt skyrocketing towards $25,000 each – each! Penny Wong helped to burden everyone in this room with Commonwealth debt heading for $25,000 for each and every one of you. What’s fair about that? What’s fair about this generation dumping our burdens on our children and grandchildren? If we are going to have intergenerational fairness, we’ve got to get spending under control; we have to get debt and deficit under control. That’s why this Budget is a fundamentally fair measure.
    http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2014-08-26/doorstop-interview-melbourne

    ?)

  79. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 9:51 am

    a leaner lying?

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2014 9:52 am

    TomR

    They were subsidised and they still left. If is always the leftie solution to every problem subsidise it.

    “Like I said, I’ll stick to the facts”

    Grace Collier said elsewhere that if they paid the auto workers the same wages that are paid to the components manufacturers in Victoria/SA who will also lose their jobs when Toyota/Holden leaves they would survive and make a profit. But no they want $100,000/year or will not work. Well goodbye Holden, Toyota and most probably Qantas.

  81. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:00 am

    They were subsidised and they still left.

    Check your history nil, they left after hockey told them to fuck off!

    the subsidies ere stopping, so they left

    Grace Collier said elsewhere

    Who gives a fuck what that troll thinks.

    All I know is what the facts are. I’ll stick with them.

  82. Walrus permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:06 am

    “”All I know is what the facts are””

    So when are you going to share some with us ?

  83. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:10 am

    So when are you going to share some with us ?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/08/28/rostrum-18/#comment-71556

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:15 am

    Manufacturing could cope with relatively high wages.

    What it needed was a highly productive workforce, and a stable industrial environment to support investment.

    Investor confidence is undermined by-
    *Union demarcations and patch protection
    *Difficulty in planning upgrades and expansion because that’s when unions make their claims
    *Cost over runs and delays due to industrial action in maintenance shut downs, plant upgrades and expansion

    Many of the international manufacturers only experience these industrial problems in Australia. They don’t understand why there is such an adversarial structure and so many unions, all looking for a problem to create a dispute.

    All this combines to undermine investor confidence, and it is no use blaming politicians.

    If you were a manufacturer with a couple of hundred million to invest, you wouldn’t have Australia high on the list.

  85. Meta permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:16 am

    (Murdochian spruikspiece in a failed and perenially subsidised enterprise, Grace Collier, said paying labour components a fair wage, and about half what she earns for penning the usual teabag tosh, is bad for the economy; and so is subsidising jobs, but not hers, obviously; and topping up record low wage-shares of profits elsewhere, in vaguely productive industry, with tax-and-transfer measures is just a big drag on (un)balanced-portfolio performance every reporting season? Again?)

  86. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:22 am

    Investor confidence is undermined by-

    The countries treasurer daring a company to leave.

  87. August 29, 2014 10:39 am

    All this IR grandstanding by a dysfunctional government that cannot govern without a shopping list from its political donors is predictable as Squeals inability to stick up for Abbott.
    Same old meme:

    When a business fails Its the workers fault

    They herald the glory of a “free market” but don’t acknowledge its Darwinian

    Globalisation, FTA and the free market economy all rely on slavery as a labour component.

    Big profits and share return are paramount with no social responsibility or contract.

    Workers are beholden to employers and should be happy to have a job

    Lower wages and conditions produce more jobs

    Workers should absorb the employers risk of being in business

    Wages are too expensive workers should take less because it’s cheaper offshore

    There is a skills shortage ( always wheel this one out) despite unemployment rising fast

    They lust to import workers happy to work for nothing despite the social ramifications

    Everyone has the capacity to negotiate with their employer

    The market should decide wages so workers should be flexible

    Workers want flexibility assuming they don’t want stability

    Unions that use enterprise bargaining are evil and they are to blame for business failure

    The minimum wage is too high and casual call minimum should be one hour

    There are plenty of jobs that people don’t want

    All Workers are lazy and inefficient

    Governments should save capitalists regardless of inefficiency because they employ

    Low wage jobs are better than no job

    Workers should work for whatever the market decides regardless of market fixing

    Here we have inefficient and bad business models run by over paid, over hyped, incompetent CEO’s driven by tax cheat robber barons, lobbying sycophant politicians beholden to oligarchy’s promoting totalitarian enterprise markets labelled farcically as “free” all promoted by propaganda media and think tanks set up by secret societies of born to rule overlords and their aspirant apparatchiks…

    Common factors… Greed and Power

    The Neocon free marketeers are quick to blame workers for the failure of the “bossiness business” and ecosystems they promote to create with no social contract to further society, other than to perpetuate the unmitigated wealth at the top of the tree, promoted with the false hope of greed that sycophant aspirants will bathe in the trickled down honey from the ruling class….

  88. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:42 am

    We are in transition from being a quarry and energy giant, there is only a small window of opportunity to get this right.

  89. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:46 am

    transitioning to what? 😯

  90. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:48 am

    Tom R – companies with a billion or 2 tied up in a manufacturing plant and facing decommissioning and redundancy costs of hundreds of millions, don’t make their business decisions based on the political comments of politicians.

    Surely you don’t believe Japanese or US boards tune into Hockey’s political comments for guidance about their investments.

  91. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 10:56 am

    ‘There is a skills shortage ( always wheel this one out) despite unemployment rising fast’

    Apples and pears, anyway the foreign workers tax will go a long way to support those Australians on the dole. This appears to be a highly productive strategy, but there is a caveat.

    There is anecdotal evidence to suggest groups of imported workers in asbestos removal are getting the big dirty jobs over the small independent . Its not a good look, but there is little choice.

  92. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 11:04 am

    don’t make their business decisions based on the political comments of politicians.

    You have truly left the reservation now yomm.

    It was the text message that sounded the death knell for Holden as a manufacturer in Australia.

    ”Are you seeing this question time attack on Holden?” read the text message, sent by a company insider. ”Taunting [Holden] to leave. It’s extraordinary.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/taunts-in-parliament-and-text-brought-about-general-motors-holdens-exit-from-australia-20131211-2z6i6.html

  93. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 11:06 am

    There is anecdotal evidence to suggest groups of imported workers in asbestos removal are getting the big dirty jobs over the small independent .

    I would really like to see this “anecdotal” evidence of yours because, being involved recently in the removal of asbestos, I do know that to (legally) remove it, the requirements for a license are VERY onerous.

  94. Meta permalink
    August 29, 2014 11:09 am

    (Dunno about Elizabeth; but, according to anywhere-and-everywhere-and-nowhere Joe, ‘lifting the tide so all boats rise’, means polish my shoes and wash my clothes, listen to the community and react appropriately by rote, and some great stories about Jetstar and IT and restaurants and high-unemployment and you guys are smart and will make educated moves to work it out, for Geelong. Or, something like that.)

  95. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 11:15 am

    Or, something like that

    I would feel much better about it if the current lord’n’ladies would take some time out of their busy fundraising schedules to outline just what that something is.

    grodo appears unwilling to posit an ‘opinion’ in this respect either

  96. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 29, 2014 11:35 am

    It is more likely that Hockey had already been briefed about the decision and decided to force an announcement, timed for his (political) convenience, rather than theirs.

    Multi billion $ business decisions aren’t made in a moment of pique.

  97. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 12:00 pm

    ‘….transitioning to what?’

    A brave new world.

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2014 12:05 pm

    “Check your history nil, they left after hockey told them to fuck off!

    Does that apply to Ford, Chrysler and all the other manufacturing that has left?

    “the subsidies ere stopping, so they left

    No, we have been through this before. After Ford left Holden went back and asked for even more money which the Coalition refused. The Gillard subsidies were there but they wanted more. The question should be asked is why did Holden lie? Gillard/Holden said production would be safe for the next 10 years.

    TomR you obviously do not care about Australia or its manufacturing industry but just want to play games with the lives of people. I am old enough to remember when we used to make everything and now it is mostly gone. A large chunk of our manufacturing left under Hawke/Keating when they dropped the tarriffs.

  99. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 12:05 pm

    ‘…and decided to force an announcement’

    Agree.

  100. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 12:12 pm

    Does that apply to Ford, Chrysler and all the other manufacturing that has left?

    No, not all of them

    A brave new world.

    Who could resist your total non answer

  101. August 29, 2014 12:43 pm

    Reality is a superfluous inconvenience to some in this group

    Like Egg the bored housewife on the Dole, who brave new world is reality.

    And

    Squeal who has never been anywhere nor done anything other than toddle off to get a telegraph for the bottom of the birdcage and pet shop for some seed and a new whistle…

    Transition? Wake up that already happened..Keating did that or are you asleep like Howard.. where do you think the service industry came from?

    So we have all these reports from the donors to the Fiberal Party shopping list… to reveal all the surprises from the no surprise party…

    1st the commision of Audit…
    Then we have Malcolm’s mates writing a box ticking head nod manifest to last century’s tech

    now we have the clean energy sector, potentially biggest growth sector on the planet..wound back and poo pooed by denier class because the fucktards in this government keep watching re runs of Oliver Twist and How Green is my valley

    Now Would Be a good time to tell us why Tony is da man Squeal
    No c’mon I really need to understand this…

    Is Abbott a good leader…?
    Is he a good PM?
    What are his enduring intellectual and affable attributes?
    What is his parliamentary legacy?
    What legislation has he championed and written that has benefited Australia?
    Are you a member of a Union?

  102. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2014 12:58 pm

    “Check your history nil, they left after hockey told them to fuck off!

    Anybody who believes that Holden/Toyota left because of what Hockey said does not have a functioning brain.

    We need intelligent comments to help save what manufacturing we have left.

    It does look like Qantas is in trouble and will most probably go bankrupt if nothing is done.

  103. August 29, 2014 12:59 pm

    Yeah sure I buy it….
    So complain about the collapse of industry blaming wages and unions on one hand and destroy and POO POO the largest growth manufacturing sector on the planet for R&D, manufacturing and service with the other. These sycophants should realise that How Green Was My Valley is not a documentary intended as research for energy policy.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dick-warburton-says-climate-sceptic-views-did-not-influence-report-recommending-slashing-of-renewable-energy-target-20140829-109tgd.html

  104. August 29, 2014 1:07 pm

    We need intelligent comments to help save what manufacturing we have left.
    It does look like Qantas is in trouble and will most probably go bankrupt if nothing is done.

    Well Hokey Pokey likes to play hardball….

    Squeal you are in a blog… nothing you say will make 1 iota of difference luv, despite you delusions to the contrary… or did they tell you at troll central there that your opinion is important to us…and we value your input 🙄

    Qantas could start by sacking the CEO and GM.. Virgin lost money too..listen to Wally
    Never buy shares in an airline.. I got mine given to me.. I may manage a cup of international roast with no milk for my lot.

    Now’s your time to Shine Squeal… Go Son……

    Is Abbott a good leader…?
    Is he a good PM?
    What are his enduring intellectual and affable attributes?
    What is his parliamentary legacy?
    What legislation has he championed and written that has benefited Australia?
    Are you a member of a Union?

  105. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 1:12 pm

    Anybody who believes that Holden/Toyota left because of what Hockey said does not have a functioning brain.

    What a well posited argument

    So, apart from the well documented timeline, leaked conversations and public comments that all show that Holden left because of this Governments actions, this is you argument

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  106. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 1:29 pm

    ‘Transition? Wake up that already happened..’

    Time moves on and each generation has to tackle new circumstances.

  107. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 1:41 pm

    ‘…potentially biggest growth sector on the planet.’

    Strongly disagree.

  108. Meta permalink
    August 29, 2014 1:43 pm

    (Time moves on and each generation has to tackle new circumstances.

    Perhaps; while Geelong’s dredging up a bottom-of-the-harbour scheme, Elizabeth’s almost ideal for a morphing-UAV industry, apparently.)

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2014 1:54 pm

    “all show that Holden left because of this Governments actions,

    Wow a candidate for the most deluded man on the planet makes a comment.

    All the Treasurer of Australia has to do is make a threat and companies will up and leave. Is that right??

  110. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 1:59 pm

    All the Treasurer of Australia has to do is make a threat followed by actions that show that to operate in Australia means you will be at an economic disadvantage and companies will up and leave. Is that right??

    Fixed it for ya nil 😉

    And then the answer would be yes. Why would they stay under such conditions?

  111. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2014 2:01 pm

    Your insane.

  112. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 2:02 pm

    ‘Underscoring the challenge of managing an economy in transition, the RBA has pointed to “a significant degree of uncertainty about the the outlook, given the number of forces working in different directions”.

    ‘However, the RBA’s August board meeting was referred to “a notable degree of spare capacity” in the workforce with a relatively high unemployment rate and the participation rate remaining steady.

    ‘The minutes repeat that economic growth will be below average over 2014/15 before getting back above average pace in 2016.’

    Follow Peter Ryan on Twitter @Peter_F_Ryan and on his Main St

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2014 2:13 pm

    Perhaps you could spend some time into finding out why Holden lied- posted 22/03/2012

    http://pmtranscripts.dpmc.gov.au/browse.php?did=18458

    So, I’m pleased to be here today with the Premier, with Minister Combet, with Holden and Mike, to announce some good news. And the good news is that the future of General Motors is now secure in this country for the next decade.

    Holden will be here in Australia producing cars for at least the next 10 years.
    That’s great news. And it’s as a result of a more than $1 billion co-investment between the Federal Government, the South Australian Government, the Victorian Government and of course Holden, which is investing strongly in the future of manufacturing Holden cars here in Australia.”

  114. Meta permalink
    August 29, 2014 2:16 pm

    (Yeah, I agree, going around making billion-dollar-industry-threats does seem a bit out of character for a methodical government, and is probably just cheap-talk when it comes to stakeholders’ assessments of daring-do defundings of this, that, or the other.

    ———————————–

    Elsewhere and elsewhen, David Pope on the RET bizzo; and FDOTM too, freshly back from reporting on budget negotiation processes and progresses.)

  115. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 2:30 pm

    Your insane.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing 🙂

  116. August 29, 2014 2:34 pm

    Your You’re insane.

    Now would be a good time to sell your great leaders virtues… seeing he is doing such a cracking job with the economy what is the name of the Union you’re in?

    Is Abbott a good leader…?
    Is he a good PM?
    What are his enduring intellectual and affable attributes?
    What is his parliamentary legacy?
    What legislation has he championed and written that has benefited Australia?
    Are you a member of a Union?
    When will he pass his budget?

    Is Tony Abbott a moderate conservative?

    Was his mentor Bob Santamaria a moderate conservative

  117. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2014 3:42 pm

    Kathy Jackson:

    “Forget the former lover stuff – everybody makes mistakes and has a charity shag along the way,”

    Maybe the Australian electorate is now feeling similar remorse.

  118. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 4:03 pm

    Is she talking from his or her perspective?

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2014 4:04 pm

    Strange how Abbott can make snap decisions to enter send other people into war zones for any reason at the drop of a hat …

    But creates havoc with silly indecision over issues that affect the nation, businesses and the livelihoods of thousands of employees, questions a bloody high school kid knows the right answer to …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/climate-sceptic-had-open-mind-on-ret/story-e6frfku9-1227040935260

    Hear nowt, see nowt, say nowt and do nowt … that’s our Tones …

  120. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 29, 2014 4:23 pm

    “The clean energy industry remains adamant either option would gut future investment”

    That would be a very good thing indeed. The government subsuduses enough stupidity as it is.

  121. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2014 4:32 pm

    “Strange how Abbott can make snap decisions to enter send other people into war zones for any reason at the drop of a hat … “

    It was Bob Hawke who took us to the Middle East

    “But creates havoc with silly indecision over issues that affect the nation, businesses and the livelihoods of thousands of employees

    Typical ALP supporter. Lets just borrow more money from foreigners to pay the wages of stupid government programs.

    Hey lets just borrow 50 quadrillion dollars and employ everybody with borrowed money and lets not worry about the debt.

    By the way i can tell you are a leftie. You provided a stupid picture.

  122. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 4:48 pm

    It was Bob Hawke who took us to the Middle East

    You don’t think the UN had much to do with it?

  123. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 5:06 pm

    “We support renewable energy,” Mr Abbott told reporters in Canberra on Friday.

    “But we also want to try to ensure that we use renewable energy in ways that don’t lift the price of power, don’t result in unnecessary cost to the Australian people.”

    Reading between the lines: Northern Australia is crying out for renewables and that’s where the action is going to be, apparently.

  124. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 6:06 pm

    How does the RBA know growth will be ‘getting back above average pace in 2016’?

    Its in time for the federal election, but that’s not the answer.

  125. Meta permalink
    August 29, 2014 6:10 pm

    (Speaking of the UN and ‘growth’: UN push to include women on G20 agenda.)

  126. Walrus permalink
    August 29, 2014 6:16 pm

    “You don’t think the UN had much to do with it?”

    You don’t think he could have said “No” ?

  127. Tom R permalink
    August 29, 2014 6:25 pm

    Speaking of the UN and ‘growth

    Surely their just prodding tabot now aren’t they?

    You don’t think he could have said “No” ?

    Of course, but it explains better why he said yes. howard has no such fall back.

  128. August 29, 2014 6:56 pm

    In Late breaking News you can’t put Brains in a statute…

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/schapelle-corbys-boyfriend-arrested-in-bali-on-drug-charges/story-fnihslxi-1227041114311

    C’mon Squeal… I know its a hard task to actually think for yourself
    Is Abbott a good leader…?
    Is he a good PM?
    What are his enduring intellectual and affable attributes?
    What is his parliamentary legacy?
    What legislation has he championed and written that has benefited Australia?
    Are you a member of a Union?
    When will he pass his budget?
    Is Tony Abbott a moderate conservative?

    Here is another Picture of you at the office… us centrists love the visual arts..

  129. armchair opionator permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:03 pm

  130. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:04 pm

    Window cleaners discover plankton in a vacuum.

    ‘The space station is orbiting the earth in a total vacuum, there is no air, so it is a total defiance of the laws of physics to say these organisms were blown into space from Earth.

    ‘The only explanation is that they have come from elsewhere in space, and this supports long-held theories that plankton, and therefore all life on Earth including humans, originated from organisms in space.

    ‘Everything that we have on the Earth is derived from space, including humans.’

    ~ Dr. Chandra Wickramasinghe, August 21, 2014

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 29, 2014 7:23 pm

    A success for the Abbott govt

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/together-again-julie-bishop-seals-jakarta-pact/story-fn59nm2j-1227040699053

    THE intelligence protocol Julie Bishop has signed with Jakarta is a significant victory for Australian diplomacy, ending the Indonesia spying row with a commitment to enhanced security co-operation while avoiding limits on legitimate intelligence-gathering……………The Abbott government has emerged from the bitter spying row — in which Australian agencies were accused of gathering intelligence on the President and his inner circle in 2009 — with a stronger platform for intelligence co-operation than before the relationship was thrown into turmoil.

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    August 29, 2014 8:53 pm

    You don’t think he could have said “No” ?

    YES! The problem It has is that It doesn’t realise that some of us chastise BOTH governments’ decisions … not just one …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A success for the Abbott govt

    LOL!

  133. egg permalink
    August 29, 2014 9:57 pm

    Joe Hockey wants to sign satirist David Hunt as a speech writer, but there are complications and its unlikely to get up.

  134. August 29, 2014 10:08 pm

    A success for for the Abbott Government.. ROTFPML
    Yeah Toney is quite the Statesman 🙄

    Here is something that may teach Squeal something… How grown up pragmatist economists look at the economy… in Bipartisan reality.

    Then Hokey delivers one of the worst budgets in modern history…

    Yeah thats great Egg so whats the plan.. build a dam ..produce a fertile green utopia and chuck CSG well under it?

  135. August 29, 2014 11:04 pm

    Slutty Lentils.. a grocers affront to literary classics,,,,

    http://m.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/aldis-absurd-move-to-ban-roald-dahls-revolting-rhymes-20140829-109ww1.html

  136. Walrus permalink
    August 29, 2014 11:47 pm

    “Qantas could start by sacking the CEO and GM……..listen to Wally
    Never buy shares in an airline.. I got mine given to me.. I may manage a cup of international roast with no milk for my lot.”

    Now that’s far classier than I would have thought.

    I thought you to be more of a Moccona kinda guy

  137. August 30, 2014 2:09 am

    Jesus H Christ on a stick…instant 😯
    Walrus I can honestly say I have not had an instant coffee in well over 20 plus years. I am a self confessed coffee snob and Thunderbirds are No until the machine is on and the blend is ground 1st thing. . 2 consecutive double espresso’s a day every day.

  138. Meta permalink
    August 30, 2014 2:31 am

    (Awww, what a shame for Utopia that Benelong didn’t make the defining moments cut, a friend to new chums and a man who sometimes just-jokingly said that he was like a King of his People and wished to meet with the King of his captors.)

  139. Meta permalink
    August 30, 2014 3:33 am

    (Double-awww, what a shame that all the hard work that the Prime Minister has been putting in to championing indigenous recognition – from a memorable celebration of the Tent Embassy’s 40th Anniversary back in 2012, to spending his first week in Office in an indigenous community in 2013, to being a ceaselessly prominent campaigner on the Recognise circuit hasn’t registered with the broader electorate: Case not made for indigenous reform, Tony Abbott told.)

  140. Meta permalink
    August 30, 2014 6:19 am

    (Err, no, an apparently stove-piped RET report is not proof that Abbott is a fossilfuel puppet; employing a peculiar logic is merely a logical means to reintroducing some much-needed public debate; to be reconsidered and reflected upon some more by a Prime Minister with a strong environmental and science ethic and a direct action ethos in due course; perhaps after a renewed study into the health effects of utterly offensive windfarms is completed.)

  141. egg permalink
    August 30, 2014 7:15 am

    ‘Warburton’s other argument is that the RET causes the misallocation of resources, because it is forcing the construction of generation capacity Australia would not otherwise need – he says it amounts to a $22bn cross subsidy from fossil fuel generators to renewable generators over the next 16 years.’

    I’m with Warburton on this, stop the subsidies because it unnecessarily distorts the market.

  142. egg permalink
    August 30, 2014 7:20 am

    In the Regions renewables would be a dog send.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/australian-networks-see-future-of-renewables-based-micro-grids-42817

  143. egg permalink
    August 30, 2014 7:51 am

    Building Dams in Utopia

    ‘TONY Abbott has been handed a shortlist of 30 sites for potential new or expanded dams as part of a plan to boost agricultural production and mining output in northern Australia and reinvigorate rural economies in NSW and Tasmania. Government sources said that work on about half of the 30 sites could proceed quickly while the other half required further investigation.’

    Sid Maher / Oz

  144. Meta permalink
    August 30, 2014 8:25 am

    (That’s excellent news; it’s good to learn that the Dams Plan Taskforce, beavering away since the early-2011 Queensland floods to produce something substantive for publication within 12-months, have delivered a workable plan-plan at last.)

  145. August 30, 2014 12:06 pm

    he says it amounts to a $22bn cross subsidy from fossil fuel generators to renewable generators over the next 16 years.’
    I’m with Warburton on this, stop the subsidies because it unnecessarily distorts the market

    So subsidies should go to dirty polluting energy that is trashing the planet and not clean renewables?

    Bit like the copper version of the NBN really… do wish these feral god bothering neocon radical teabaggers controlling the fiberals would at least attempt to advance to this century..

    Oh IC.. what a genius you are 🙄

  146. egg permalink
    August 30, 2014 1:25 pm

    So subsidies should go to non polluting energy, which is helping the planet’s vegetation grow, and not renewables in a saturated market.

    Cheap ‘clean’ energy for the Top End would be a showcase for the world, attracting business and tourists to Utopia.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2014 2:50 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/home-insulation-inquiry-finds-former-environment-minister-peter-garrett-at-fault/story-fnii5v6w-1227041853465

    No surprise to me … I always said Garret was a Dumbarse™ … however, I do hope that the RC lay the blame at the feet of the State Governments too … after all WH&S is a sate responsibility!

  148. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 30, 2014 3:51 pm

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cutandpaste/we-dont-like-to-gloat-but-guess-who-lost-the-great-indonesia-spying-row/story-fn72xczz-1227041849909

    “MANY Australian commentators were hysterical and absurd … all the problems in the Australia-Indonesia relationship were inherited … from the previous Labor government and they have all been solved by Abbott and Bishop.

  149. egg permalink
    August 30, 2014 5:15 pm

    ‘Prime Minister Tony Abbott has been criticised by indigenous leaders after he repeatedly stated at an exhibition opening in Canberra on Friday that the arrival of the First Fleet ‘was the defining moment in the history of this continent’.

    UK Mail

  150. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 30, 2014 5:26 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2/jun/09/french-public-debt-audit-illegitimate-working-class-internationalim

    “…Primarily, the rise in the state’s debt in the past decades cannot be explained by an increase in public spending. The neoliberal argument in favour of austerity policies claims that debt is due to unreasonable public spending levels; that societies in general, and popular classes in particular, live above their means.

    This is plain false. In the past 30 years, from 1978 to 2012 more precisely, French public spending has in fact decreased by two GDP points. What, then, explains the rise in public debt? First, a fall in the tax revenues of the state. Massive tax reductions for the wealthy and big corporations have been carried out since 1980…”

    let’s declare most of our public debt illegitimate, it should make neil happy and there is no mandate from the people for it anyway. The politicians have declared each election as a mandate to do what they like but they avoid gaining any public consent.
    An election win by party stooges is not voter consent for anything goes, they have decided to grant themselves executive power in this un- democracy.

  151. egg permalink
    August 30, 2014 5:59 pm

    ‘Massive tax reductions for the wealthy and big corporations have been carried out since 1980…’

    That would be the failed Trickle Down Effect. Is France ready for a revolution?

  152. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 30, 2014 6:22 pm

    https://twitter.com/denniallen/status/505621984747606016

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2014 6:36 pm

    “MANY Australian commentators were hysterical and absurd … all the problems in the Australia-Indonesia relationship were inherited … from the previous Labor government and they have all been solved by Abbott and Bishop.“

    Obviously forgot the way Abbott and Bishop reacted to Indonesia … and obviously no understanding of how the Australian Parliament operates … the Opposition is always briefed on foreign affairs strategy .. including spying … the Abbott government didn’t walk in blind (they had condoned it – wrong or right) … it was the arrogant (and stupid) way that ws criticised …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-19/abbott-calls-for-cool-heads-no-apology/5102330

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2014 6:38 pm

    Is France ready for a revolution?

    Yep … with the rest of the “Western” general population!

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 30, 2014 6:53 pm

    What is wrong with the thinking of some people?

    http://wixxyleaks.com/virtual-insanity-kathy-jacksons-bizarre-press-conference/

  156. egg permalink
    August 30, 2014 6:55 pm

    Not sure about that TB, they no longer have the bottle.

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 30, 2014 6:56 pm

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    August 30, 2014 7:30 pm

    Not sure about that TB, they no longer have the bottle.

    A little “sage” advice, egg, never, ever underestimate human nature … and certainly don’t question their determination!

    The rich and famous haven’t made this world, we little folk have … all the rich and famous do is suck and feed … with the help of feeders like you …

    The Abbott government is bleeding this country as Murdoch’s vicious revenge …

  159. Tiger Train permalink
    August 30, 2014 7:49 pm

    All Aboard!

    http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2014/23/syd-v-rich

  160. Toot toot permalink
    August 30, 2014 8:14 pm

    I hear the train a comin’,
    It’s rolling round the bend,
    And I ain’t seen the Tiger Train since
    I don’t know when.
    They got into the finals,
    And they keep rollin’ on,
    Yeah that train keeps a rollin’
    On from old Punt Road.

    When I was just a small boy,
    They all told me: Son,
    Always be a good boy,
    Don’t barrack for Richmond.
    But I barrack for the Tigers
    Just to watch them fly,
    When I hear that whistle blowing
    I raise my arms and cry …
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    YELLOW AND BLACK!

  161. Cash In permalink
    August 30, 2014 8:29 pm

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 30, 2014 9:15 pm

    As many will recall tigers supporters are 96% more likely than the rest of the population to punt at the TAB.

    That’s probably because they’re 100% more likely to be on the dole.

    (go tigers)

  163. egg permalink
    August 30, 2014 10:24 pm

    ‘….and certainly don’t question their determination!’

    Western petite bourgeoisie have forgotten how to revolt, contenting themselves with small gains in the hope that one day they will become comfortably secure.

    They accept the capitalist system, with its boom and bust mentality, is the only show in town.

  164. egg permalink
    August 30, 2014 10:38 pm

    ‘FOREIGN workers could arrive within months under a new migration scheme for Darwin and other areas hit by chronic skills shortages, amid a political firestorm over the idea.

    ‘The Abbott government insisted the skilled foreign workers could not be paid less than a local employee in the face of furious claims from Labor and unions that wages would be cut.’

    Oz

  165. August 30, 2014 10:48 pm

    In Breaking News, The Gutter Trash can reveal that Clive Palmer is in fact a great big fuckn self-obsessed fat cunt…!

    Who knew….??

    Remember. You heard it here first.

  166. August 30, 2014 11:22 pm

    If you stay up long enough, eventually you will meet yourself on late nite TV.

  167. August 31, 2014 1:24 am

    Clive Palmer is in fact a great big fuckn self-obsessed fat cunt…!

    Its people like Abbott and Palmer (not to mention Squeal and EGG) are giving the glorious vage a bad name

    Indeed… Australia’s 4th largest political party? ain’t there about a bakers dozen of em?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/citic-clive-palmer-plays-politics-card/story-fnk76wj3-1227041968987

  168. egg permalink
    August 31, 2014 6:51 am

    ‘WHISTLEBLOWER Kathy Jackson has asked Tony Abbott to put the Health Services Union under the control of an administrator, claiming it remains dogged by political corruption that extends to the top of the Labor Party.

    ‘Facing serious allegations against her over misusing HSU members’ funds, Ms Jackson yesterday claimed Bill Shorten had been part of a “corrupt little gang” trying to target her.’

    Norington / Oz

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 31, 2014 9:30 am

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 31, 2014 9:38 am

    # insiders
    Abbott’s getting his own bomb proof BMW, he’s tossing holden aside. The be emersion are way cool and he’ll feel like he’s having his boys own adventure. The commentators did wonder as to his bike riding – not much bomb proofing there!
    What the commentators did not mention is that another daughter works for BMW!

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 31, 2014 9:49 am

    It’s a humanitarian mission, we’re bringing arms. Must be a bit hard to chew them or wrap them around wounds!

  172. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 31, 2014 9:51 am

    be emersion = beemer

    I think I hate predictive text!

  173. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 31, 2014 9:59 am

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 31, 2014 10:51 am

    You do all know that work choices is back don’t you?
    Another lie?

  175. egg permalink
    August 31, 2014 11:59 am

    Green Energy Rejection

    ‘The India Today article goes on to describe how Bihar citizens “want asli bijli (real electricity) from the government” and that village youngsters were carrying placards demanding “real source of energy“, and “not the fake solar powered” one.’

    – See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2014/08/28/worlds-poor-reject-half-modern-half-primitive-green-life-demand-real-electricity-not-fake-greenpeace-solar/#sthash.8nQj8EZ5.dpuf

  176. egg permalink
    August 31, 2014 12:43 pm

    BEIJING – Chinese President Xi Jinping has called for more innovation in the country’s military as the world is witnessing a “new military revolution”.

    “The world’s new military revolution has come at the same time as opportunities and challenges for China and we must develop foresight and insight into these development,” said Xi while presiding over a meeting of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee on Friday.

    Xi, also general secretary of the CPC Central Committee, urged all Party members to be more aware of military issues, defense and military building and military preparedness, and to give more support to the country’s national defense and military reforms.

    “The world is in a stage of accelerated evolution and profound adjustment,” Xi said, noting that progress in the military sector is with informationization at the core.’

    China Daily

  177. egg permalink
    August 31, 2014 12:45 pm

    ‘accelerated evolution’

    *chuckle*

  178. August 31, 2014 1:56 pm

    Accelerated evolution…Certainly not apparent in your and Sqeals case

  179. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2014 2:04 pm

    “The rich and famous haven’t made this world, we little folk have … all the rich and famous do is suck and feed

    I would say most Australians are rich compared to most of the world. Most people in India do not have flush toilets.

    I guess it is all relative.

  180. August 31, 2014 4:18 pm
  181. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2014 4:33 pm

    Man, Australia is doomed. Just trying to get the budget back into surplus send lefties into a frenzy.

  182. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 31, 2014 4:51 pm

  183. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2014 5:08 pm

    So ALP/Greens produced $250B of debt in 6 years and the Australian population want the ALP/Greens back to do it again.

    This country is in big trouble.

  184. August 31, 2014 5:37 pm

    Man, Australia is doomed. Just trying to get the budget back into surplus send lefties into a frenzy.So ALP/Greens produced $250B of debt in 6 years and the Australian population want the ALP/Greens back to do it again.
    This country is in big trouble.

    Did you ever consider that the Australian public has no faith in the eroded trust of a government that lied itself into power, is incompetent, full of surprised and has done absolutely nothing to build and contract of competency or trust with the electorate. They have rather eroded their position 20 points inversely through utter contempt for the people that elected them

    I will agree on one thing Australia is doomed with this lot of highly incompetent children in charge that are the polar opposite of what they so dishonestly promoted themselves to be by virtue of their own actions.

    So that’s it that’s what you have to add to discourse? A broken record of factless rhetorical vindictive statements?
    C’mon Squeal… maybe you should convince us why we should vote for Abbott? Did you watch that viseo with Sloane and the KouK ? Did you learn anything? or is it a bit lofty for that straw poll brain of your infected with terminal Murochracy? Cmon answer the questions..prosecute your considered case.. 🙄

    Is Abbott a good leader…?
    Is he a good PM?
    What are his enduring intellectual and affable attributes?
    What is his parliamentary legacy?
    What legislation has he championed and written that has benefited Australia?
    Are you a member of a Union?
    When will he pass his budget?
    Is Tony Abbott a moderate conservative?

  185. Splatterbottom permalink
    August 31, 2014 6:04 pm

    “You do all know that work choices is back don’t you?”

    Sadly, I doubt it.

    ******

    “The rich and famous haven’t made this world, we little folk have … all the rich and famous do is suck and feed “

    Economic development has occurred through the operation of free markets where they have been allowed to function. Where they have been impeded poverty ensues. The error in your analysis is to believe, in your class war rhetoric, that “the rich” and “the little folk” are static classes. Where the market is allowed to operate, people can back their own abilities mortgage their house and take a punt on a business. Some of those will become rich. Other will do their shirt. Many who start out poor will become middle class or better and others will start well and go backward. There is nothing particularly unfair about this.

    The biggest danger is that the market is stuffed completely so that, as a country, we grow poorer. If you lok at their policies, leftists know a million ways for this to happen and they seem to know nothing about earning the wealth they would so capriciously piss against the wall.

    ******

    Abbott’s war talk is, of course contemptible. We have no business trying to stop murderous terrorists. We should follow the UN’s sterling example with Rwanda. Abbott just doesn’t get it, does he. Leftist virtue comes from caring and from seeming to do something. Actually doing something is anathema.

    Murdering whole communities in far off places serves the excellent purpose of providing a platform for people to wring their hands, tilt their heads and conspicuously care about others. Islamic State is just providing a spectacle for the left, an occasion to strut their consciences. Please don’t stop the show Mr Abbott.

  186. egg permalink
    August 31, 2014 6:17 pm

    ‘Where the market is allowed to operate, people can back their own abilities mortgage their house and take a punt on a business.’

    The free market model is the best for all concerned.

    ‘Please don’t stop the show Mr Abbott.’

    Its a war game with drones and hornets, and on rare occasions our SAS boys might gain some battle experience.

  187. August 31, 2014 6:25 pm

  188. August 31, 2014 6:32 pm

    “Its a war game with drones and hornets, and on rare occasions our SAS boys might gain some battle experience.”

    And what about the innocent civilians caught in the middle? Y’know, the people who fucken live there; not just using the mess as a chance to blood our Attack Force (defence force became a misnomer long ago…when was the last time we had to tangibly defend ourselves within our own country?).

    Nonchalant fuckwit.

    Having said that…IS should be stomped on; but it would be nice if it could be achieved without the political fist pumping.

  189. August 31, 2014 6:33 pm

    #gotiges

    #fuckportscumwithaclawhammer

    #onthebandwagon

    #nineinarowformteamdeservestobethere

  190. August 31, 2014 6:44 pm

    splatter@6:04

    Unconvinced by that hyperbole (as sarcastically amusing as it was) buddy…

  191. August 31, 2014 7:00 pm

    Splatter – so what’s ABBLOTT doing to stop the murdering of innocents in Gaza?

  192. August 31, 2014 7:01 pm

    Economic development has occurred through the operation of free markets where they have been allowed to function.

    There is no such thing as a free market, its a complete bullshit term made up by oligarchy capitalists to comfort people into believing they are not slaves to the conformity of consumerism. As the ethos of the “free market” model espoused by its disciples is the market will dictate price, demand and supply by the Darwinian principal of survival of the fittest, by virtue of its core principal it cannot be truly free as it oppresses competitive market forces.

    No credible economic scientist places any credibility in the concept. Its a made up term like justice and closure that dumbs down the complexities of a matrix of interspersed and interdependent factors constituting a system determining an outcome.

    Economic development has occurred through the progress of science and human innovation creating the technology to produce efficiencies in demand and process, a fact lost on free market capitalists… Our market here lacks the volume to create any sizeable competition and as such is easily manipulated, just like our democracy….

    The only way to get rich in business from the ground up is to invent something that people want (innovation + demand) at a price people can afford which is a staple or a luxury.Moving units @ a fixed cost margin and services with low overheads. Digital distribution systems has eroded localised Geographical demand is globalised competition.

  193. egg permalink
    August 31, 2014 7:03 pm

    ‘Nonchalant fuckwit.’

    I heard it was a humanitarian exercise to protect innocent civilians from savages and everyone seems quite happy with this undeclared war.

  194. August 31, 2014 7:04 pm

    Splatter – so what’s ABBLOTT doing to stop the murdering of innocents in Gaza?

    Calling them something else and pounding them with rhetorical gibberish whist wearing a cowboy hat 🙂

  195. August 31, 2014 7:13 pm

    “I heard it was a humanitarian exercise”

    Yeah, well as usual you heard wrong. Maybe you should try some other sources aside from The Australian and the Daily Terror for yer news…

  196. August 31, 2014 7:24 pm

    But they’re just Hamas enablers, reb!

    No matter that Hamas was democratically elected by the populace. [supposedly a freedom yardstick guffaw ]

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    August 31, 2014 7:43 pm

    I’m not fond of ISIL and and their “convert of die” approach to nation building. I’m reasonably comfortable to be dropping some supplies to the Kurds.

  198. August 31, 2014 7:57 pm

    Me too.

  199. August 31, 2014 7:58 pm

    Highly selective mongering…

  200. egg permalink
    August 31, 2014 8:46 pm

    ‘Yeah, well as usual you heard wrong.’

    The Murdocracy does present a particular point of view, but I read between the lines.

    The operation will be extended to eliminate the threat, in much the same way as the Tamil Tigers were slaughtered in their last stand. It was brutal and inhumane, yet militarily and politically effective.

    So there is majority agreement that this war of ‘adventurism’ is good to go. Collateral damage will be minimised with ‘sophisticated intelligence’, although the taking of hostages as human shields may require the insight of SAS on the ground.

  201. August 31, 2014 8:51 pm

    oh egg, your pathetic trollism is on display (again)..

    Is that really the sum total of your blogging endeavours, just to be an attention grabbing little troll…?

  202. egg permalink
    August 31, 2014 9:05 pm

    Troll is not my MO, what I said is a strategic projection. Anyone else have a better idea?

  203. August 31, 2014 9:21 pm

    Oh fuck off you mindless imbecile.

  204. September 1, 2014 12:26 am

    Egg why don’t you buy some batteries for that vibrator take it out of your Vagina and stick it up that fat ass from where your attention seeking troll pontification emanates…you imbecilic insidious bore

    M=Mindless O=Obstinant

  205. egg permalink
    September 1, 2014 7:46 am

    Hmmmm….

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2014 11:38 am

    This country is in big trouble.

    You could always emigrate to Syria … seems we can always find enough money to go back to war …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So there is majority agreement that this war of ‘adventurism’ is good to go.

    egg’s, military history library …

    http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/tip-sheet/article/55859-best-romance-novels-for-valentine-s-day.html

  207. September 1, 2014 1:53 pm

    “There will be no surprises and no excuses from a Coalition government,” Mr Abbott said exactly one year ago.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-highlight-tony-abbott-promise-there-will-be-no-nasty-surprises-or-pathetic-excuses-on-first-anniversary-20140901-10ax7e.html#ixzz3C2594Okq

  208. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 2:29 pm

    I was waiting for it, looking good with the corporate favours tones!

    https://twitter.com/margokingston1/status/506291829570953216

  209. egg permalink
    September 1, 2014 6:30 pm

    ‘LEADING media figures say the rise of activism and opinion in journalism is the most serious threat to the future of the ­profession. Media entrepreneur Eric Beecher said the rise of activism among journalists had highlighted the need for media organisations to form social media guidelines.’

    Markson / Oz

  210. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 6:30 pm

    Other twitter items:

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2014 6:39 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/telstra-reveals-extent-of-data-requests/story-e6frfku9-1227044127129

    And we need “tighter” metadata laws because?

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2014 6:41 pm

    Sadly, I doubt it.

    Sadly? Your slip is really showing today …

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2014 6:46 pm

    We have no business trying to stop murderous terrorists.

    You and yours can always sign up … (my lot have done their “bit”) … well maybe not you, hey …

    Irony about people dying in pain – any people … is unbecoming …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … everyone seems quite happy with this undeclared war.

    There ya go again, egg … “everyone” … got some news for ya …

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2014 7:18 pm

    How unsurprising (to any reasonable person who thinks about safety)…

    The Royal Commission advises-

    “The Australian government conceived of, devised, designed and implemented a program that enabled very large numbers of inexperienced workers, often engaged by unscrupulous and avaricious employers … to undertake potentially dangerous work,” he found.

    “It should have done more to protect them.

    “In my view each death would, and should, not have occurred had the HIP (home insulation program) been properly designed and implemented.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/home-insulation-inquiry-report-due/story-e6frfku9-1227043373840

  215. egg permalink
    September 1, 2014 7:53 pm

    “everyone” … got some news for ya …’

    I was referring to the international community.

  216. September 1, 2014 8:12 pm

    No you weren’t, you were referring to your own deluded views in the plural in a failed attempt to give them some weight.

    Why don’t you just fuck off somewhere else egg…..

    You really don’t add much to this blog aside from your occasional excerpts from Murdoch media coupled with your own trolling “look at me” comments goading other bloggers here.

    That’s the sum total of your blogging experience on this forum and it’s simply trolling.

    So do us all a favour and JUST FUCK OFF.

  217. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 10:16 pm

    Bolt’s Grip On Reality Is Tenuous. His Grip On History Is Even Worse.:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/01/bolts-grip-reality-tenuous-his-grip-history-even-worse

    …This lie that all Australians have benefited from systems gained from the British is also one that doesn’t weigh up with the evidence.

    How then would you explain the fact the nation’s jails are brimming with Aboriginal men, women and children, on the losing end of a white justice system? Or ‘the rule of law’ as Bolt puts it.

    This is not a happy statement of “the bleeding obvious” for Bolt or Savva. It is a stupid, and inaccurate statement that does nothing to help raise Aboriginal equality…

  218. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 10:32 pm

    I have great respect for the work of journalist chris graham and have followed him with his tracker magazine and NIT, I was very pleased to see that he has taken over NM.

    In the comments to the article above I would have to say that he ‘owns’ the self glorifying troll inane hall.

  219. September 1, 2014 11:37 pm

    So do us all a favour and JUST FUCK OFF.

    And take that repetitive Parroting tedious bore Squeal with you….

  220. Meta permalink
    September 2, 2014 12:58 am

    (Amazing, aight. All your English are belong to us.)

  221. September 2, 2014 2:15 am

    ”””””””””””””
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/01/bolts-grip-reality-tenuous-his-grip-history-even-worse

    Channel Ten has been serving up the Bolt Report for over a year now.

    The show features a monotone Andrew Bolt presenting his racist, inaccurate and self-serving propaganda to those who may not already have ingested the weekly bile spewed in his Herald Sun columns.”””””””via””armchair”””””””

    haha, the pre-murdoch network-ten was top or near-top of the commercial network heap for many years, now, the murdoch-infested network-10 has sunk to the bottom of the (ratings, profit, advertiser, viewer) pile, way, way behind networks-9-and-7.

    .

    As cubicle residents know, its an onion problem.

  222. September 2, 2014 2:55 am

    I see the train a comin’,
    It’s heading for the bend,
    We ain’t seen the Tiger Train since
    We don’t know when.
    They got into the finals,
    Yellow and Black
    That train will end up jumpin’
    Right off the track

  223. September 2, 2014 3:09 am

    Jesus on a stick.. I think Hall outdid himself that time Teabag. Matilda must be the only place left for supertroll to post.

  224. Meta permalink
    September 2, 2014 4:44 am

    (Expecting Hall et. al. to understand policies of action and care, at a time when the intrinsic and heritage values of languages diversity is due some measure of Australian recognition, broadly or narrowly consistent with a global comprehension, might be a co-incidental bridge-hand too far; even if repeating a kind of foreshadowing is to be expected. Perhaps.)

  225. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 8:21 am

    from ao’s dolt link

    Bolt is gleefully boasting about the political capital Abbott could have gained from the pain of Aboriginal people not being able to speak their traditional languages.

    He really is possibly the countries most despicable individual (there is a mammoth battle on for that title though, our pm right up there with the worst). The fact that tabot etal are cast in the same mode and are now actually running our country is just abhorrent.

    Well done rudd, you prick!

  226. egg permalink
    September 2, 2014 8:42 am

    ‘Why don’t you just fuck off somewhere else egg…..’

    Don’t fret precious, I have an exit strategy if you decide to pull the plug.

    ‘No you weren’t, you were referring to your own deluded views in the plural in a failed attempt to give them some weight.’

    Wrong, the international community is as one on ISIS, but on this small blog the leftoids get upset if there is any deviation from the true path.

    ‘LEADING media figures say the rise of activism and opinion in journalism is the most serious threat to the future of the ­profession.’

    Yes

  227. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2014 8:50 am

    Racialising the constitution is fucking ridiculous. I had hoped that sort of bullshit died out with the Nazis but I’m hardly surprised that the left is resurrecting the idea.

    Multiculturalism and identity politics are a social disaster. If you seriously want a decent society then you start with the basic proposition that there is only one race – the human race. Addressing specific areas of need on a needs basis is a completely separate question.

    Taking children from good caring foster parents to place them at risk on the basis of cultural sensitivity is disgustingly inhumane and par for the course in our welfare molestation promotion agencies.

    Forcing kids to be brought up on dysfunctional reservations and teaching them in another language so that they have limited English skills permanently disadvantages them no matter how righteously good it makes leftist poltroons feel about themselves.

  228. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 8:51 am

    Wrong, the international community is as one on ISIS

    Think before you type numbnuts. Or why not just enact your “exit strategy” ❓

    Then another point appeared when Abbott offered Australia’s flight of F/A18F RAAF Hornets to the U.S. for a joint attack on ISIS. President Obama wisely rejected the offer. He understood through his own sources how closely his presidential predecessor, George W Bush, was linked with the 2003 invasion of Iraq and how it has directly caused the multiplication of the wealth and power of ISIS.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/article-display/isil-and-abbott,6843

    I’m just glad we have Obama and not bush. tabot wants to go there guns blazing (he wanted the same with the Ukraine to remarkably enough)

    It’s a horrendous situation the coalition of the wanking has left our world in, I hope that his time we are smart enough to not replicate the mistake. So thank dog tabot isn’t calling the shots.

  229. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 8:57 am

    Multiculturalism and identity politics are a social disaster.

    Bullshit. it is inclusive. Some aspects might be poorly mismanaged, but the aim is correct. It is a recognition of cultures that would otherwise be ignored by the predominant “correctness”. Our own culture has so much to thank from so many others. Why lock it in time now? We should continue to grow and expand our own culture, including and integrating others all the time.

    If you seriously want a decent society then you start with the basic proposition that there is only one race – the human race

    And it is white, right?

    Forcing kids to be brought up on dysfunctional reservations

    So, address the dysfunctional aspect. And one way is pride in their heritage. Almost all kids learn two languages these days. Do you not think some are capable?

  230. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 9:01 am

    “It should have done more to protect them.

    Nanny state anyone? A political stitch up from start to finish. I haven’t read the final report, bUt I wonder if this was taken into account (I assume not, as the terms of reference seemed to steer away from nasty truths

    In the case of two, the Commish endorses the Coroners’ findings that the employers breached various workplace safety laws.

    In the third case, the lad who died of heat exhaustion was not even an employee of the contractor ….. he’d just turned up to fill in for a mate …… a private arrangement between the two. So slack was this employer that anyone could turn up and do the job.

    In the fourth case the death was caused by an electrical wiring fault perpetrated years prior by a lecko when the house was being built. A metal ceiling batten to which the gyprock was attached had been for years electrified, and was waiting to capture a victim ever since the house was built.

    Clearly the use of metal house frames in combination with foil insulation, both aspects being quite independent of the HIP, were practices also lying in wait for victims.

    So as any person with half a brain has observed years ago, the major issue was clearly one of employers breaching various workplace safety laws, breaching their common law duty of care to their staff, and breaching training requirements of the HIP, rough and ready as those requirements were prior to the death.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/08/31/seat-of-the-week-menzies/?comment_page=19/#comment-2044309

    For a more in depth analysis of the misreporting of this entire, ugly episode.

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/hip-royal-commission-submission-part-7-how-the-coalitionmsm-lied-about-pink-batts,6839

  231. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2014 9:18 am

    “And it is white, right?”

    Obviously, because that is exactly what I said. Get a brain or at least try to argue honestly.

    Multiculturalism is the divisive tribalisation of society. No culture is “locked in time”. That is the point! Australian culture is evolving all the time. Multicultrualism is 1,400 children taken as sex-slaves in Rotheram UK because welfare molestation promotion agency workers don’t want to appear insensitive. Multiculturalism is a 54 year old man who anally raped a 14 year old girl being given special consideration by a court because she was promised to him under tribal custom. Multiculturalism is a child molester not being charged because he is Afghan and that sort of thing is normal for him – “For us is not an issue”.

  232. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 9:23 am

    “”……. the major issue was clearly one of employers breaching various workplace safety laws””

    Yes……….Yes………………….let’s completely ignore the findings of a Royal Commission and just go with the findings of our own in house Commissioner the most learned TomR and his findings.

    By his own admission he hasn’t read the Report but he has his own “findings””…………….

    ROFLMA Completely Off

  233. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 9:37 am

    let’s completely ignore the findings of a Royal Commission

    I’ll take with a HUGE grain of salt anything that is directed solely with attempting to find fault with only one player in an incident.

    ALL other inquiries found the companies to have been at fault. And that is now somehow the Governments fault, that private companies broke the law?

    It would be fucking laughable, if it wasn’t so serious

  234. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 9:39 am

    nice try spatterbum

    citing ‘cultural differences’ as one factor,

  235. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:01 am

    …‘LEADING media figures say the rise of activism and opinion in journalism is the most serious threat to the future of the ­profession.’…

    rubbish egg

    Are these ‘leading media figures’ the rabid oz journos and their management? They would be the most politically active of the lot and not in a nice way, in a feral RWNJ way, the print version of alan jones and ray hadley.

    The oz is on a hate campaign because they’ve been pulled into line on a few things by the press council – they think that they are untouchable and should be allowed to do whatever they like with impunity. Now they are doing what they always do, hysterically screech and snarl and attack the people who have taken them to task.The australian is the very epitome of journalist opinion/activism.

  236. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:05 am

    In the comments to the article above I would have to say that he ‘owns’ the self glorifying troll inane hall.

    After reading that I might visit NM more often … LOL!

  237. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:05 am

    activism and opinion in journalism

    Isn’t that the australian’s template?

  238. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:18 am

    the oz at work

  239. egg permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:24 am

    ‘The australian is the very epitome of journalist opinion/activism.’

    Aunty and Fairfax also do a good impression.

    The rise of activism through social media is having an impact on journalists jobs, they are becoming irrelevant.

    The other day, through the power of social media, politicians decided going to a christian gathering in Melbourne was not a good idea. The people have found a voice and this surely must be beneficial for democracy.

  240. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:33 am

    The rise of activism through social media is having an impact on journalists jobs, they are becoming irrelevant.

    The rise of activism by journalists is why they are becoming irrelevant, and why social media is becoming more relevant.

  241. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:41 am

    ‘The australian is the very epitome of journalist opinion/activism.’

    Really………………..and who did Mike Carlton work for ????????????????

  242. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:43 am

    “………… the leftoids get upset if there is any deviation from the true path.””

    That’s because they are attracted to Force/Violence.

  243. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:43 am

    Mike Carlton work for ?

    What section of the paper did he work for?

    The oz only has one section.

  244. Tom ofMelbourne permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:46 am

    I’m not aware that anyone has said employers aren’t responsible for the safety of their workers.

    But I’ve also observed plenty of blog contributors who have specifically argued that the promoter/financier of the HIP (the previous government) has NO responsibility.

    The admissions of the politicians put paid to that crap.

    The RC findings now demonstrate the self serving partisan nonsense that some (now self banned) used to argue.

    *Huge government funding was always going to attract shady types
    *Stimulation of the industry was always going to attract inexperienced new workers
    *The combination of shady types and inexperience is a lethal OHS combination
    *The government should have known this

    It was an alleged debacle, and now it is a proven debacle.

  245. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:47 am

    “”What section of the paper did he work for?””

    The section dedicated to supporting Hamas and Anti-Semitism

  246. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:54 am

    “The section dedicated to supporting Hamas and Anti-Semitism”

    You mean the whole toilet roll, then?

  247. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 11:02 am

    Actually Splatter their Real Estate and Business sections are OK

  248. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2014 11:39 am

    It is good when people put their own relationships out there by way of example.

    Actually, I sympathise with prostitute Caro: “I thought I’d throw a bit of fireworks out there and get people talking, that’s what happened.” who hasn’t dome that?

  249. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 11:40 am

    It was an alleged debacle, and now it is a proven debacle.

    We both agreed on that at the time, TOm …

    Garret was always going to be a walking disaster as a pollie let alone as a minister …

    I’m surprised that the state statutory authorities were not mentioned by the RC tho’? (and no, I haven’t read the report) … WH&S has always been, and still is, a state responsibility … it has the power to stop any or all work and no states did that … not one … any twit could have told them that the foil batts were a high risk product – that was known before the Scheme was introduced … and wandering around in the ceilings of (usually old) houses is asking for trouble … (and I’d bet the people doing it now still don’t know how to carry out a risk assessment – they never did) …

    The states also had the responsibility for training parameters and registration of employers and employees …

    In fact the “concept” was admirable the lack of process, policies, procedures, communication, management and inspection was atrocious …

    And some of us saw it coming …

    Abbott can gloat all he wants but he’s no better …

    In fact the $20 million would have been better spent being split four ways and given to the grieving families … and money is never enough … a life is priceless …

  250. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 11:52 am

    “And some of us saw it coming … ”

    Yep…………………………but TomR still sees nothing wrong

  251. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 12:07 pm

    “”The commissioner also found that Mr Arbib had received a risk assessment “shortly after his request for it” and rejected his denial of having received it. “”

    In other words Arbib is a fucking liar

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/a-litany-of-failures-tony-abbott-tables-royal-commissions-report-into-the-rudd-governments-home-insulation-scheme-20140901-10aw95.html#ixzz3C7V4HMad

  252. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 12:11 pm

    but TomR still sees nothing wrong

    I didn’t say that did I.

    Mind you, I do recall a certain poster arguing for handymen to go around fixing old ladies gutters instead of limiting it to insulation.

    I wonder if that poster still thinks that is a good idea

    Meanwhile, having read part of the actual report, the other things I have read about it appear to be tru, ie, it was a political stitch up that ignored reality.

    1.4.4 I therefore decided not to rely on the first three reports, but rather to inquire into the matters myself. The powers conferred upon this Commission by the Royal Commissions Act enabled me to delve deeper than the authors of these three other reports.

    So, this commission didn’t accept the findings of the earlier ones, but we are supposed accept this one unquestioningly?

    1.6.6 My focus was not on the unscrupulous or grossly negligent employers. Rather, it is whether the Australian Government as the proponent of the HIP ought to have done more to protect young men such as those that died, or whether it was sufficient for them to be thrown to the mercy of a market in effect artificially created by the Australian Government.

    So, it ignored the real reason behind the deaths. Enough said.

    1.6.7 I also have not investigated in any detail the in excess of 200 fires claimed to be related to the HIP.

    No, but, again, just accepts an allegation as fact, with no “context”.

  253. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2014 12:11 pm

    Limits to Growth was right. New research shows we’re nearing collapse:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/limits-to-growth-was-right-new-research-shows-were-nearing-collapse?CMP=soc_568

  254. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 12:12 pm

    Yet another Moron from the Left

    WRONG … another fkn moron! Her politics has nowt to do with being fkn stupid …

    There’s plenty of morons on both sides of the political fence …

    ======================================

    And TR is actually arguing that the RC was set up to score political points and I agree with that too … it didn’t cover anything that had not already been covered … as I mentioned the money was misspent before the debacle and after … by both governments … if we are so fkn broke where does all this money come from … RCs, weapons, trips all over the world, searching for aeroplanes owned by other countries …

  255. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 12:18 pm

    “”So, this commission didn’t accept the findings of the earlier ones, but we are supposed accept this one unquestioningly?””

    Did Rudd, Arbib and Garrett appear under oath at the others……………of course not……………….that’s what sets the RC apart from the others.

    But you already know that.

  256. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 12:19 pm

    Did Rudd, Arbib and Garrett appear under oath at the others

    Did anything they say expose anything?

  257. September 2, 2014 12:23 pm
  258. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2014 12:23 pm

  259. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 12:34 pm

    “”…….Did anything they say expose anything?””

    You don’t read much doya ?

    “”The commissioner also found that Mr Arbib had received a risk assessment “shortly after his request for it” and rejected his denial of having received it. “”

  260. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2014 1:23 pm

  261. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2014 1:57 pm

    Hanger’s HIP royal commission: Pink batts payback

  262. egg permalink
    September 2, 2014 2:12 pm

    From Kitty’s Guardian link.

    ‘As pollution mounts and industrial input into agriculture falls, food production per capita falls. Health and education services are cut back, and that combines to bring about a rise in the death rate from about 2020. Global population begins to fall from about 2030, by about half a billion people per decade. Living conditions fall to levels similar to the early 1900s.’

    Global population could begin to fall around 2030, due to a burgeoning middle class demanding birth control, but all the other stuff is bollocks.

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2014 2:28 pm

    …but all the other stuff is bollocks…

    Do you have equivalent research to tell us otherwise? [that doesn’t rely upon denial of AGW]

  264. September 2, 2014 2:34 pm
  265. egg permalink
    September 2, 2014 2:39 pm

    China’s industrial revolution has caused pollution problems, but their effort to nourish and educate the masses has been outstanding.

    Throughout the world food output has matched demand and there shouldn’t be any mass starvations unless war intervenes.

  266. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 4:22 pm

    As part of the new amendment compulsory superannuation won’t be increased until July 2021, when it will rise to 10 per cent. It will then go up each year incrementally until it reaches 12 per cent.

    Thank you Mr Palmer … Go Clivey! Go Quickly! FUCKIN’ Quickly!

    Politics for the People my arse!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/abbott-government-reaches-mining-tax-deal/story-fncynjr2-1227044985980

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 4:25 pm

    This country is being raped, pillaged and razed by this mob of no-hopers in Canberra (ALL of them) … no wonder no-one has any faith in “democracy” anymore …

  268. Oil's Well permalink
    September 2, 2014 5:58 pm

    “The U.S. will remain the world’s biggest oil producer this year after overtaking Saudi Arabia and Russia as extraction of energy from shale rock spurs the nation’s economic recovery, Bank of America Corp said”.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-04/u-s-seen-as-biggest-oil-producer-after-overtaking-saudi.html

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:08 pm

    Oil’s Well

    Shoulda been here a coupla days ago when I posted the same link, ToSY … duh!

  270. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:10 pm

    Oil’s Well

    And as I said then … why do they want more? Herr Brandis is way out of his depth … or at least doggy paddling …

  271. September 2, 2014 6:22 pm

    “Wrong, the international community is as one on ISIS, but on this small blog the leftoids get upset if there is any deviation from the true path.”

    Moronic generalist crap from a denizen who is quite comfortable communing with the rockshifter (his enemy’s enemy is his friend, apparently).

    Credibility forfeit.

    Modus operandi writ large.

    Polemic bilge & apologetics a technicolor yawn…

    & that comment of yours I quoted…well, that just proves that you may well read, but you certainly deliberately miscomprehend many of the comments made here…dismal incessant typist…

  272. September 2, 2014 6:27 pm

    “It’s a horrendous situation the coalition of the wanking has left our world in, I hope that his time we are smart enough to not replicate the mistake.”

    Indeed…and it’s not as though no one mentioned the (now seemingly prescient) possible likely outcomes at the time (HINT: entrenching western style democracy [?- whatevenisthat] in the ME wasn’t one of them, except for the true impressionable limpets)…oh, wait…

  273. September 2, 2014 6:32 pm

    Mongers tend to send other people’s children into wars which they proclaim to be righteous.

    Some of you Chomsky Haters oughta go and reread some of what he had to say immediately prior (& during) the 2003 INVASION…

    * I realise THAT MOST OF THE CHOMSKYHATERS HERE HAVEN’T A FUCKING CLUE WHAT HE ACTUALLY HAS OR HASN’T SAID (OUTSIDE OF REDACTED SNIPPETS FROM CONSERVAPEDIC SOURCES [caps off-haha] (with the possible exception of splatter (who is familiar with his output from 3 decades+ ago)…

  274. Meta permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:32 pm

    (Your minority report is duly noted by the future brokers at precrime division.)

  275. September 2, 2014 6:33 pm

    There are no Abbott’s in foxholes…why aren’t Tony’s daughters front & centre?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/02/tony-abbott-says-extreme-force-needed-to-counter-isis-death-cult

  276. Meta permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:47 pm

    (“The prime minister mounted his case for efforts to protect Iraqis from the threat posed by Isis, while playing down reports a RAAF plane was lucky to avoid being hit by machine-gun fire during an operation to drop food and water supplies to a town in northern Iraq on Sunday.”

    Why downplay a spectacular success story

    The drop took place at night so the rebels would have been firing by noise rather than sight as the darkened planes flew below 300 metres to make the delivery of 15 bundles of water, biscuits and hygiene packs. US fighter jets flying top cover for the mission responded to the enemy attack with maximum force after being guided to the ISIS fighters by a high flying US Air Force J-Star spy plane fitted with powerful ground attack radars. “The top cover provided by American aircraft was very effective,” a source close to the operation told News Corp Australia. Tony Abbott this morning said he had “no advice” that the Australian C-130 came under direct fire, but admitted it was entering an “active combat zone”.)

  277. Meta permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:51 pm

    (Oh, the alleged aid drop took place on 13 August, and is only now filtering into coverage of the liberation of places and lives other than where we said we were actively involved in providing aid.)

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 7:17 pm

    “Wrong, the international community is as one on ISIS, but on this small blog the leftoids get upset if there is any deviation from the true path.”

    WTF said that! Toillete?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    while playing down reports a RAAF plane was lucky to avoid being hit by machine-gun fire

    Who’ll be blamed with the first beheading of an RAAF aircrew …

    Why downplay a spectacular success story…

    (Oh, the alleged aid drop took place on 13 August, and is only now filtering into coverage of the liberation of places and lives other than where we said we were actively involved in providing aid.)

    Yeah, you’d wonder, M! Mmmm … fkn pollies … my own family has been played enough by Fuckwits … I’m really getting pissed off now …

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 7:29 pm

    Clivey really does epitomise the demise of true democracy in Australia … even an absolute Dickhead is now taking the Australian public down and down and down … he is an LNP through and through …

    “We know as a statistical fact that over 50 per cent of Australians will be dead by the time they get access to their super,” Mr Palmer said.

    Australians would be able to bargain stronger for wages as a result of delays to the super increases, he said.

    Superannuation contributions will remain at 9.5 per cent until 2021, despite politicians receiving 15 per cent super.

    “Get rid of politicians’ super, don’t pay them anything,” Mr Palmer said, adding he gave his salary away to charity.

    C’mon, IT, (formerly Neil/Kneel/Squeal) … there goes your future …

    GO CLIVEY! NOW! YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE!

    Thanks to Clive the voting public will now know that politicians are cynical and self serving on the Right!

    Over to you, sb, and the Defense* Team …

    *defense is USA spelling … they want us to be everything US … Sieg Heil !

  280. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 9:44 pm

    Ta … thought so!

    After watching Abbott on 7:30 his days are numbered what a fkn moron !

    Even Uhlmann seemed disillusioned!

  281. egg permalink
    September 3, 2014 8:01 am

    ‘You f***ing piece of s***’.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740881/You-f-ing-piece-s-Trade-union-official-s-shocking-foul-mouthed-tirade-construction-inspector-caught-camera.html#ixzz3CCLaJpP1
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  282. egg permalink
    September 3, 2014 8:12 am

    “We know as a statistical fact that over 50 per cent of Australians will be dead by the time they get access to their super.

    “We’ve got to support the families that live now and the children now. I think the amount of contribution now is more than enough.’’

    Clive Palmer

  283. egg permalink
    September 3, 2014 8:15 am

    ‘A Russian minister sparked a diplomatic ding-dong after referring to Julie Bishop as a man.’

    SMH

  284. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 3, 2014 10:05 am

    I noticed on the news last night that the CFMEU federal secretary said – ‘the Royal Commission has established that there is swearing on Australian construction sites’

    To characterise the recorded behaviour as simply swearing shows how completely out of touch that union is.

    The behaviour was intimidating, bullying, threatening. No decent employer would allow an employee to behave in that manner.

    The inspector could have made a reasonable complaint concerning their own workplace safety.

    Why is it that people are willing to excuse this workplace behaviour by union officials, when it would not be tolerated by anyone else?

  285. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 3, 2014 10:15 am

    “Why is it that people are willing to excuse this workplace behaviour by union officials, when it would not be tolerated by anyone else?”

    That’s the way things are in Unionland.

    “Forget it, Jake. It’s Chinatown.”

  286. egg permalink
    September 3, 2014 10:15 am

    I generally tolerate it.

  287. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2014 10:53 am

    That’s the way things are in Unionland.

    You obviously haven’t heard some directors of some large companies … railing at senior managers … and then senior managers at the workforce in like manner …

    It is not acceptable by ANY standards anywhere …

    Thank goodness not all unions operate like the CMFEU … to tar all unions is like saying all pollies are like Clive Palmer … oh wait …

  288. September 3, 2014 10:54 am

    Survivor lead singer dies. http://bit.ly/Y9Q8aN

  289. egg permalink
    September 3, 2014 1:16 pm

    ‘It is not acceptable by ANY standards anywhere …’

    Hear Hear

  290. Grave Mistake permalink
    September 3, 2014 2:22 pm

    “We know as a statistical fact that over 50 per cent of Australians will be dead by the time they get access to their super.”

    Good to know we can access our super post-mortem.

  291. September 3, 2014 6:23 pm

    My Branch of the CFMEU & my employer have a longstanding, extremely civil & productive relationship.

    Just sayin’…

    All of this broad brush anti-Union hyperbole is politically motivated, generalist crap.

  292. September 3, 2014 6:26 pm

    “All of this broad brush anti-Union hyperbole is politically motivated, generalist crap.”

    Hear hear!

  293. September 3, 2014 6:35 pm

    It’s a pretty blatant assault on the Opposition’s capacity to stand against the (current) government, longterm.

    The lack of differentiation between Unions (and indeed, Branches within Unions) is deliberate, cynical, misleading, calculated & disturbing…but entirely predictable.

    Not too sure how Union influence upon the ALP is any worse than Corporate & socially conservative religious influence upon the Coalition.

    It’s just more bones thrown to useful idiots.

    Unions are relevant & more necessary than ever as our rulers try to push us towards a regressive US style of serfdom & subsistence labour.

  294. TB Queensland permalink
    September 3, 2014 7:01 pm

    It’s just more bones thrown to useful idiots.

    Unions are relevant & more necessary than ever as our rulers try to push us towards a regressive US style of serfdom & subsistence labour.

    Now that is a HEAR! HEAR!

    “useful idiots” … chuckle … and the many morons? (You know I’m a fan of alliteration, Toillette 🙂 )

  295. September 3, 2014 7:30 pm

    ”””””””””The rise of activism by journalists is why they are becoming irrelevant, and why social media is becoming more relevant.””””””

    #yeah fully agree tomR, and the stupid journo`s don`t realize the more of it they do, the more they shrink their own viewer numbers, and the more people work amongst themselves (as filtration groups) to counter/avoid their bullshit

  296. September 3, 2014 7:40 pm

    ”””Even Uhlmann seemed disillusioned!”””

    Nah, Toolman`s a true believer, he`ll get over it and will be fine come election time. #Go-Clive (yep-still-enjoyin-da-circus)

  297. egg permalink
    September 3, 2014 9:00 pm

    Free Trade Agreement

    ‘After signing what in many respects was a landmark agreement for Japan with Australia to transfer (i.e. sell) defense technology and hardware in July, more news has emerged this week about the potential sale of Japanese Soryu-class diesel submarines.

    ‘Japan passed legislation in April allowing for the export of defense-related items, previously prohibited. Since Japan failed to reach an agreement with India during a bilateral summit on Monday over the sale of Japanese US-2 amphibious rescue aircraft, a potential deal with Australia as early as next January would constitute Japan’s first sale of any military hardware to an ally other than the U.S.’

    The Diplomat

  298. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2014 10:07 am

    The crazies are running the asylum.

  299. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 4, 2014 10:26 am

    Given the DLP purports to be a Labour Party it would be odd if the party did not object to Madigan’s call for the abolition of the minimum wage.

  300. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2014 10:36 am

    Ashby going to spill his guts?

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2014 10:37 am

    My (now dead father in law) used to call the DLP the Dirty Labor Party … fits actually …

  302. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 4, 2014 10:45 am

    Maybe Ashby is Pyning for affection.

  303. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2014 10:46 am

    Only took young Wyatt a few years (four I think) to learn the sleazy side of LNP politics I see … and we always knew Brough was dodgy … as for the other two the PM and the The Leader of the House (what an oxymoron) … remember Utegate? Mmmmm … a Turnbull set up methinks … like a fkn Shakespearean “playe” …

  304. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 4, 2014 10:47 am

    Ashby misses his excursions to Pyne Gap?

  305. September 4, 2014 1:33 pm

    Ashby misses his excursions to Pyne Gap?

    OH Fuck Scatter… That is priceless I’m pissing myself here.. Duly stealing that….
    Good one. 🙂

  306. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 4, 2014 1:44 pm

    Your welcome, Ricky.

    BTW, this matter has been canvassed on n earlier in carnation of this blog.

  307. egg permalink
    September 4, 2014 2:06 pm

    It seems like only yesterday that The Team told China not to worry about Clive, he doesn’t run the country.

  308. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2014 6:01 pm

    Ashby misses his excursions to Pyne Gap?

    That’s quite rude, sb … even for you … Chrissy is married an everyfing … his bio says so … and he has four kids … he’s a bonker alright … Go The Vatican!

  309. TB Queensland permalink
    September 4, 2014 6:06 pm

    BTW, this matter has been canvassed on n earlier in carnation of this blog.

    Yer a busy lad, sb, I didn’t have the time to play here until I retired … whatever you do business must be really firing …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It seems like only yesterday that The Team told China not to worry about Clive, he doesn’t run the country.

    I know its Rostrum but do you understand why, sreb, keeps telling you to FUCK OFF!

  310. September 4, 2014 8:57 pm

    TB I am amazed how he skirts through doos with that Closet on his back, My gaydar is off the scale…. Not that theres anything wrong with that… 🙂

  311. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2014 10:11 pm

    Well, why not I say, the more the merrier!

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-04/gotye-leads-rock-n-roll-party-to-victorian-election/5720066

    Gotye’s band The Basics leads rock’n’roll party to Victorian election:

    Gotye and his bandmates have formed a rock’n’roll-based political group to contest the upcoming Victorian election.

  312. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 4, 2014 10:18 pm

    This really angers me. People should not be jailed for this stuff.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/08/26/aboriginal-woman-who-dies-wa-jail-was-there-unpaid-fine-0

    …ulieka Dhu who was 22-years-old at the time of her death earlier this month, was in jail for four days for failing to pay a $1000 fine.

    It’s emerged that not only was Ms Dhu released from hospital multiple times after complaining she felt unwell but she was locked up as part of the WA government’s policy of paying down outstanding fines through prison time.

    After complaining to police about severe pain, vomiting and partial paralysis she was twice taken to a local hospital but on both occasions declared well enough to be sent back to prison depsite reportedly not being seen by a doctor reported he Australian newspaper…

  313. September 4, 2014 11:31 pm

    Well, why not I say, the more the merrier!

    The first of a big campaign brewing watch this space…
    Been to a few meeting of high profile artists doing the same thing…. Hope the minister for the Yarts is ready for some serious debate because a expect a tidal wave over the next year

  314. armchair opionator permalink
    September 5, 2014 9:40 am

    Who is yards minister ricky?
    Not bloody brandis is it??
    He’ll get asio sicced onto ’em!

  315. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 5, 2014 9:53 am

    Looks like the Pommies have the same idea, Ricky.

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2014 9:59 am

    http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/7-30/NC1405H146S00#playing

    @ 8 mins 28 secs the experts explain the desperate, disaster for Lockheed* that the F35 has become … and the alternatives available …

    *and Australia …

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2014 10:07 am

    sb, amusing article …

    … yet we can fund the shite I commented on above … what was it again? An extra $24 billion … $24 BILLION for something that doesn’t work and, it seems, won’t ever work properly …

    Its like buying a car that you know will catch on fire, simply stop, the brakes are ineffective, the transmission jams, can’t go up hills and is more expensive than anything in its class … yer Mum’s gonna buy one ’cause your cousin owns the company so you have to stay loyal too …

  318. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 5, 2014 10:09 am

    TB

    They said the same thing about the F-111. I bet you most new planes have their critics. Of course they may be right or they may be wrong. Time will tell.

    The fact that the lefties are against it is evidence for me that the F35 will turn out to be a good plane.

  319. September 5, 2014 11:28 am

    The fact that the lefties are against it is evidence for me that the F35 will turn out to be a good plane.

    The structure of that very statement defines Squeal

    Its for the most part universally accepted by everybody here (except his girlfriend Eggwina) that:

    If Squeal is narking up in blind lemming sycophant opposition to something
    It is good, righteous,profound, prudent, visionary, moral and intellectually adept.

    or inversely

    If Squeal is trumpet heralded, bob nodding in masturbatory parroted support for anything
    It is a lie, evil, inanely imbecilic, immoral, dangerous, offensive, oppressive and wrong

    Squeal is a keen and accurate barometer of the calibrated measure of rusted on fuctardism
    The antipathies of what is right and just in all regards of human decency.

    This is consistently reiterated in glaring abject confirmation by his inability to stick up for Abbott and answer a few simple questions.

    Is Abbott a good leader…?
    Is he a good PM?
    What are his enduring intellectual and affable attributes?
    What is his parliamentary legacy?
    What legislation has he championed and written that has benefited Australia?
    Is Tony Abbott a moderate conservative?

  320. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 5, 2014 11:31 am

    ICAC in suppression mode:

  321. September 5, 2014 12:06 pm

    Go Kate.. loving her work Splatter. I think there is bipartisan support across the divide for this long awaited political enema, which for the most part has ridden us of the poisonous political process in NSW.

    Been a great foot shooting exercise for the Libs

    Cant wait till it ends up on Scott Morison’s door as chief branch stacking fund raiser in the NSW branch.. That will be almost as much fun as 60 minutes on Sunday when that flunky dog Ashby spills his guts after being used up as a pastie in Fiberal Corrupt cohesion.
    Wonder if Abbott kept his framed wedding photos and endorsement letter

    Abbott loves endorsements… Wollongong Kiddie fiddling priests, Slipper. A Reference for ma man of no moral character is like the kiss of death..

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2014 3:29 pm

    And I bet you all thought you would never be “owned” …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/cancer-cures-possibly-undermined-by-courts/story-e6frfku9-1227048775034

  323. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 5, 2014 4:03 pm

    That is just so bad, TB. Intellectual property law needs reining in.

  324. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2014 4:58 pm

    Absolutely, sb … the Yanks have this obsession with “owning” and profiteering from everything and everything … and genome issue is really, as you say, bad … it affects us all …

    In fact its worse (in its global effects) that Herr Putin’s shite!

    These people are really terrorists holding us all to ransom with our property … everything cannot have a dollar value …

    Next they’ll be owning fish and fowl and cows and …

    Its like Australia Post whining because it hasn’t made a profit withy mail delivery … its made a massive profit with its courier service combined AP has made a profit … BUT … its a service not a profit centre … there seems to be no difference these days between understanding a government service and servicing shareholders … its gone stupidly American … and its concerning …

    Democracy has a virus … its called Über Kapitalism … I love the concept of capitalism but it has been bastardised so much it is cancerous to our society …

    I have a pet theory that the USA is so insular and cobwebbed with making money rather than providing service (at all levels) ordinary people are becoming paranoid … provide access to the most stupid (or lack of) gun laws and guess what happens …

    Australia has very stringent gun laws but I have never seen so many shootings here in my life!

    Not bad hey … from genes to guns … chuckle …

    BTW a Father’s Day WT & soda *clink* to youse all (my family is celebrating tonight due to family commitments) …

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    September 5, 2014 5:33 pm

    I have to away to my son’s … a staggering 200 metres away! For a Father’s Day BBQ … wine and lamb loin chops in hand (we watch the adverts!) …

    The Minister decided that she’d remake the menus for our fave Italian Restaurant and volunteered to do it for free … no prob with that, until it came to matching the logo on the business card – guess who had to “volunteer” for that? – anyway … we would not accept any payment but got a free lunch …

    Retirement does not mean you don’t work …. it just means you work for free …

    Please enjoy your night … yep, I had a couple at lunch … giggle …

    Its a BYO … 🙄

  326. September 5, 2014 5:56 pm

    Have a good one TB….. 🙂

  327. September 5, 2014 6:07 pm

    Patents on life should violate the inherent sensibilities of all but the most blind libertarian-capitalists.

    That shit is fundamental.

    Genuine usurping of the notion of ‘god’.

  328. September 5, 2014 6:08 pm

    “Australia has very stringent gun laws but I have never seen so many shootings here in my life!”

    I can only presume that you are inferring that more guns would be a net positive?

    I strongly disagree…

  329. September 5, 2014 6:23 pm

    So apparently Tony Abbott’s in India…. I wonder if he’ll try something new and adventurous like curry.

  330. September 5, 2014 6:33 pm

    He’s been trying ‘cricket diplomacy’…whatevenisthat?

    Although, pretending to be Australia’s Greatest Cricket Fan…

    Seemed to work for the last Cynical Warmonger In Charge…

    To me, sexually rubbing up against former National sports ‘heroes’ is demeaning, but presumably worth a bit of PR win for the charisma-deficient…

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/sep/05/in-india-pm-uses-cricket-diplomacy-as-sachin-tendulkar-hits-em-for-six

  331. September 5, 2014 6:36 pm

    As an aside…I have two new (had em for a couple of months now) Jack Russell pups.

    They are fucking mental [in a good way] & already I’d forfeit 98% of the world’s population before I’d hand them over.

  332. September 5, 2014 6:36 pm

    That Youtube clip never gets old Boss…. 🙂

  333. September 5, 2014 6:37 pm

    #gotiges

    #fuckportscumwithaclawhammer

    #teninarow

  334. September 5, 2014 6:38 pm

    #gocats

  335. September 5, 2014 6:38 pm

    “I have two new (had em for a couple of months now) Jack Russell pups.”

    OMG.I’m so jealous, we’ve been thinking about getting another dog, but it’s a big decision…

    What have you named them?

  336. September 5, 2014 6:48 pm

    It’s been a couple of years (I reckon) since my old girl (Kobba, whom some of you may remember me exalting) died.
    Had been thinking about it for a long time.

    My daughter named the male ‘Riley’…and, as you may imagine, I came up with a list of horrid (but amusing…to me at least) names for the female (most of them from a list of monsters & terrors which I’d compiled). We compromised on ‘Banshee’.

    Very pleased they’re here.
    So much fun. Mad little cunts. So happy all the time. Nothing is ever so pleased to see you when you get home as your dog ( little lone…duuuuuuh ) let alone a couple of em.
    Great pleasure in taking them down the beach for the first time, or to harass sheep & cows, or having them go to sleep on my lap.

    A wagging tail is the very epitome of innocent pleasure.

  337. September 5, 2014 6:51 pm

    Sounds wonderful boss… 🙂

  338. September 5, 2014 6:52 pm

    Animals just don’t do fucked up & malicious the same way people are prone to do.

    And even when they do, it’s because shitty people have made them that way…

  339. September 5, 2014 6:57 pm

    They are already family, reb.

    I know you loved your last dog so I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend a new addition. You’ll never get the same one…but they’re as unique as humanscum; without the pretense!

    A hard decision if you’re living in a high density area (and I’m only guessing there)…and its not without its inconveniences etc. But, what I believe I get out of it (not to mention my extended family) far outweighs the minor negatives.

    Dogs are just so fucking happy. We could all learn a thing or two from them.

    I’ll email you a pic or two (with offensive speech bubbles) sometime…

  340. September 5, 2014 8:06 pm

    “I’ll email you a pic or two (with offensive speech bubbles) sometime…”

    That’d be excellent boss…. 🙂

    Yeah we had a house on three acres in Tassie when we had our little Scottie, but now we’re in a high rise apartment in Melbourne so not really suitable for an inquisitive little doggie especially when we both work during the day. It wouldn’t be fair on the pup if you know what I mean…

  341. September 5, 2014 8:07 pm

    “Dogs are just so fucking happy. We could all learn a thing or two from them.

    Yep, totally agree…!

  342. egg permalink
    September 6, 2014 9:42 am

    ‘A NEW dam on the Upper Adelaide River on the fringe of the Northern Territory’s Litchfield National Park is set to polarise the views of Australians about developing Australia’s north.

    ‘Agriculture Minister Barnaby Joyce is understood to have ­included the proposed Warrai Dam, near the town of Adelaide River, 120km south of Darwin, as one of his top 30 dam-building priorities.’

    Neales / Oz

  343. September 6, 2014 9:51 am

    So what?

  344. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2014 10:27 am

    Once again, probably nothing of concern about unions…

    The ETU is paid about $5 per employee by giving employers no option about the best value insurance coverage.

    …and the former state secretary was paid $100k up front and $15k a month to introduce the broker to other unions!

    THE Electrical Trades Union in Victoria scored a $4.5 million bonanza in “management fees” and other payments in just 12 months, by pushing employers across the state into preferred supplier deals negotiated by its then leader Dean Mighell.
    The extraordinary arrangement meant the ETU pocketed a 20 per cent commission on the premiums paid by employers to cover their workers for income-protection insurance in the 2013 financial year.
    —–
    When Mr Mighell quit as secretary of the ETU’s Victorian branch in March last year, the company given exclusive rights by his union to procure income-protection insurance hired him as a consultant. He was paid a $100,000 upfront fee and a $15,000-a-month retainer by ATC Insurance Solutions to “open doors” by securing introductions to other unions.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/union-deals-led-to-45m-windfall/story-e6frg6nf-1227049582945

  345. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2014 11:06 am

    I’m not really worried about that union piece tomM, I think I’ve become immune to the continual attacks upon unions through the media. Corporate australia has been carrying out a war on unions for decades, it’s all that stands between them and their great utopia, slave labour, people working for whatever pittance the bosses want to pay. I know the other side of the coin is corporate corruption, things like the financial services rorts [deliberately retained by this govt] where the public is fleeced for their hard earned. Seems to be OK for corporate australia to exist in a ‘free for all’ lack of regulation and no responsibilty, but anyone that threatens their power and control must be smashed.

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/september/1409493600/david-marr/freedom-abbott

    A devastating critique on our supposed freedoms under the abbott govt by david marr, I can see why we need new parties like a gotye or a citizens party. At the very least a big fat BoR. These existing elites share power and believe it is their right to decide what goes on in australia as if they own the country and the people in it. They need to know that we don’t like what they are doing and will fight them back.

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/september/1409493600/david-marr/freedom-abbott

  346. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2014 11:13 am

    ETU’s commission of $5 per week per employee or $250 a year could have gone back to the pockets of the union members.

    The price of the income continuance insurance was inflated by 20%

    …and the fact is that for that extra 20% union members could have got a more beneficial level of insurance coverage. That’s probably the real scandal.

  347. September 6, 2014 11:34 am

    “it’s all that stands between them and their great utopia, slave labour, people working for whatever pittance the bosses want to pay. “

    Yep.

    A friend of mine who used to work for Qantas (cabin crew) told me that the staff basically “bid” to go on a roster for long haul flights. So generally the employee who is prepared to work for the lowest dollar figure gets the shift.

    IT’S A DISGRACE!!

  348. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2014 11:54 am

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/timid-asic-under-fire-over-crackdown-inconsistencies-20140905-10ct4r.html

    …Smith was referring to a three-year banning order slapped on financial adviser Peter Holt for providing inappropriate advice to retail clients, including gearing them up with margin loans and high-risk managed investment scheme (MIS) Timbercorp, which culminated in their financial ruin.
    …For CBA whistleblower Jeff Morris, a former financial planner, moves to reform the financial planning industry and rid it of long-term inadequacies and conflicts should begin with a new regulator. “As a whistleblower, I came face to face with ASIC’s complacent disinterest and inertia,” he said…

    NBN fibre rollout was going to be cheaper, sooner, pilot results show:
    http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-fibre-rollout-was-going-to-be-cheaper-sooner-pilot-results-show-20140905-10cgdg.html

    Tony Abbott’s IS intervention bluster muffles civil unrest in Australia:

    …If there was some way Tony Abbott could squeeze himself into a camouflaged hi-vis outfit, he surely would. A fetching ensemble it would make too. Combat-ready battle dress in bright orange dessert warfare pattern to signal to Australia’s mining billionaires that no matter how small the threat from a balanced tax system, he stood ready to go to war with everyone everywhere to distract our attention in their defence..

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-is-intervention-bluster-muffles-civil-unrest-in-australia-20140905-10cgc3.html#ixzz3CUpPIF5u

  349. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2014 11:58 am

    …So generally the employee who is prepared to work for the lowest dollar figure gets the shift.
    IT’S A DISGRACE!!

    A new version of avoidance in paying penalty rates?

    TomM never mentions that in his customary attacks on qantas employees!

  350. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 6, 2014 1:06 pm

    bloody unions 😉

  351. TB Queensland permalink
    September 6, 2014 1:24 pm

    I have two new … Jack Russell pups.

    Congrats … Toillette … our boxer was twelve when we lost him … Jan 1988 … and we still miss him … he was told he could not come onto our bed until after the alarm when off … we will swear that he was mid-air every morning when it did …

    I dislike cats … but them dogs get me every time … so bloody faithful …

    … we discuss getting another but as sreb, says it wouldn’t be fair on it until we stop travelling …

    And speaking of which … we just booked Villa 9 @ Eratap, Vanuatu … for next year …

    http://www.paradisesonline.com/destinations/pacific/vanuatu/eratap-beach-resort

  352. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 6, 2014 1:26 pm

    Superannuation looks like it is turning into a disaster. It is not stopping people going on the pension which is the whole point of Superannuation. Looks like it is just another ALP disaster. I thought it was one of the few things of value that Hawke/Keating did.

    It just makes money for all the advisers and leeches attracted to easy money.

    But yes, Unions are useful .Without Unions bosses would have us working for nothing. But Unions should stick to workplace safety issues and protecting workers from immoral bosses.

    It is not strange that companies having trouble have strong Unions- Holden, Ford, Toyota, Qantas.

    Apparently a Qantas baggage handler gets $100,000/year thanks to the Union but most probably goodbye Qantas.

  353. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2014 2:09 pm

    I think you might find that the bidding is based on length of service, with the longer serving employees having the right to seek the routes they prefer, this is supplemented by a minimum number of language speakers for a route.

    Most cabin crew choose the routes that will provide the highest daily allowances. In high cost countries they’ll take vegemite and biscuits and save the couple of hundred in daily allowances.

    Are you familiar with the standard of hotels they stay in? Now wonder Qantas is so uncompetitive in costs.

  354. September 6, 2014 4:03 pm

    ” think you might find that the bidding is based on length of service, with the longer serving employees having the right to seek the routes they prefer…”

    Is that meant to be some sort of “benefit….?”

    Workers are still getting screwed – pitched against each other to work for the least amount of money possible.

  355. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 6, 2014 4:22 pm

    “Workers are still getting screwed – pitched against each other to work for the least amount of money possible.

    So Qantas workers are getting slave wages. Is this true? What does Qantas pay these workers who are working for the lowest wages possible?

  356. egg permalink
    September 6, 2014 5:49 pm

    ‘So what?’

    Not much, for the Greens to remain relevant new battle lines are being formed.

    ‘Any attempt to dam the large Adelaide River in the Northern Territory would be doomed to fail and would be blockaded by protesters, an environment group says.

    ‘The director of the NT Environment Centre, Stuart Blanch, reacted Saturday to news the Federal Government may be prioritising a proposed project to dam the Adelaide River.’

    ABC News

  357. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 6, 2014 6:08 pm

    No, I don’t think they’re bidding for the least amount of money, they’re either seeking the destinations they prefer or the ones that pay the highest allowances.

  358. TB Queensland permalink
    September 6, 2014 6:49 pm

    So Qantas workers are getting slave wages. Is this true? What does Qantas pay these workers who are working for the lowest wages possible?

    A lot less than $2 million … and if they don’t do their job properly they’ll be fired …

    So why is Alan Joyce still working there?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No, I don’t think they’re bidding for the least amount of money, they’re either seeking the destinations they prefer or the ones that pay the highest allowances.

    And the pilots (I know an international captain on a well known airline) are rostered on flights … they don’t know from one day to the next (within the flight/rest requirements where they will go) but they have to indicate they are available – or not …

    Pays good tho’ …

    And as I recall a well known “motivator”* from the 80’s … “People tell me they don’t like their house or they don’t like their job … so moooove” …

    I have never come across the perfect job … I have come across a lot of whingers tho’ …

  359. Tony permalink
    September 6, 2014 9:37 pm

    A bit obsessed by Aussie Iggy at the moment …

  360. Tony permalink
    September 6, 2014 9:44 pm

  361. Tony permalink
    September 6, 2014 10:18 pm

    #getonthetigertrain

  362. September 6, 2014 10:38 pm

    A bit obsessed by Aussie Iggy at the moment …

    Apparently she has been working on her “Shit ”
    In my estimation as a producer she has successfully delivered “Shit ” in spades 🙄

    Most people that I have met who describe themselves as “libertarian: are politically ignorant fucktards.. found this to be amusing

  363. September 6, 2014 10:45 pm

    Superannuation looks like it is turning into a disaster.

    What a genius 🙄

    So what

    Indeed

  364. egg permalink
    September 7, 2014 7:15 am

    ‘Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews, a former marriage educator, said he wasn’t surprised it was an issue for couples.

    ‘Mr Andrews said the research suggested for many women intimacy leads to sex but for men sex leads to intimacy.’

    Daily Terror

  365. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 8:56 am

    Does that mean anything?

  366. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 9:12 am

    I don’t think I’d be looking to zombie andrews for advice about anything.

    He wants the society that existed in the 1950’s, women spending their days at home ensuring the place is spick & span and dinner ready when the ‘head of house’ feels like coming home, if she’s lucky he’ll give her some money to buy his food each week. Men doing whatever men want to do, church deciding how everyone should behave, women especially kept under control as they are such fickle, untrustworthy creatures who must have strict moral and paternal guidance. All society’s nastiness brushed under the carpet and all institutions serving the best interests of white male power and control.

    A veritable paradise! Who wouldn’t yearn for those days again?

  367. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 9:35 am

    And no divorce ever, even if the women had the misfortune to marry an abusive, sadistic bastard, she had to put up with it til her death. Her uterus and body, what she does with it is owned by everyone but herself and sex, sex in andrews day, was her husband’s right and due, no such thing as rape in marriage. These things are god given rights and the churches will counsel women to submit to all of her husband’s desires and keep the peace.

    intimacy and sex, men and women, andrews knows all about it, his religion, his ‘research’ and his position in society gives him the right to preach to us all.

  368. egg permalink
    September 7, 2014 9:46 am

    Men are beastly.

    Over the past 150,000 years this has been the case, we have been programmed in particular ways for the best outcome, the survival of homo sapiens depended on it.

    In the 21st century the battle of the sexes cannot be swept under the carpet.

  369. September 7, 2014 10:00 am

    And Fred Nile too….

    It was hilarious to see him mouth off at the so-called “World Families Congress” about how dog speaks to him, and that the media and the lefties/greenies protesting outside were seething with the devil……

    Crackpots. The lot of them.

  370. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 10:10 am

    how do these nutjobs get into parliament [and get to stay there for 20+ years]? That is the miracle of our democracy!

  371. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 10:54 am

    Positive results after Abbott’s intervention!

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2014 11:34 am

    NBN fibre rollout was going to be cheaper, sooner, pilot results show:

    Something that anyone who knew a smidgen about the technology, trained personnel, production roll-outs of major works and maintenance issues has argued …

    The Abbott government is either incompetent or simply lying to the voters … ether way they are not working in the interests of the current generations nor future generations … in fact I suspect future generations will mock their stupidity and ignorance …

  373. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 11:37 am

    Debt & deficit increased under coalition

    Before the election net debt was forecast to peak at 13 per cent of gross domestic product. After Hockey’s budget it was 13.9 per cent.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/hockey-has-the-right-instincts-but-has-a-long-way-to-go-to-fix-the-economy-20140905-10c826.html#ixzz3CaaYPSc4

  374. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2014 11:41 am

    HAPPY FATHERS’ DAY to all the Dads here …:)

    And Happy Fathers’ Day to all the Mum’s and Kids who put up with us … 😆

  375. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 11:49 am

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/not-a-birther,6866

    …The man who opened the can of worms about Abbott’s potential ineligibility to sit in Parliament, Tony Magrathea, explains why he is not a “birther”, as some have alleged…
    …In 2013, around the time of the election, I decided to have a look at the other ten pound pom and see his story. And things didn’t quite add up.

    There was talk of him getting citizenship by descent, which seemed to wipe out his pommieness. There was talk of him never being British, of him having two Australian parents, or one Aussie, one pom.

    So, being the sort of person who needs to know why things aren’t quite sitting right, I looked…

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2014 11:49 am

    I recall saying that the Brough, Slipper, Ashby, Pyne (and it now seems Wyatt) drama would have been treason or sedition a hundred years ago … people would have lost their heads two hundred years ago …

    If anything needs a RC this it!

    The disdain for the people of this country by the LNP makes you wonder just how bad people will think they are at the polls … the ALP shot themselves in both feet last time simply fighting amongst themselves … this lot are about to stick themselves in a meat grinder …

  377. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 1:05 pm

    The disdain for the people of this country by the LNP makes you wonder just how bad people will think they are at the polls …

    I think the disdain for the people is by all politicians TB. We only have the rights that they allow us. They insist on being our ‘rulers’ in every sense of the word, they also insist on declaring themselves above the law of the land that applies to all others.

    http://www.randomhouse.com.au/books/geoffrey-robertson/the-statute-of-liberty-how-to-give-australians-back-their-rights-9781741666823.aspx

  378. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2014 3:12 pm

    #getonthetigertrain
    #fuckpuddleaid

  379. egg permalink
    September 7, 2014 5:34 pm

    Peter D Burdon writes in the Drum…

    “The strongest argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter.”

  380. egg permalink
    September 7, 2014 5:40 pm

    I shew the thing and reason why;
    At large, in breif, in middle wise,
    I humbly give a playne advise;
    For want of tyme, the tyme untrew
    Yf I have myst, commaund anew
    Your honor may. So shall you see
    That love of truth doth govern me.

    John Dee, 1583.

  381. September 7, 2014 6:00 pm

    “The strongest argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter.”

    I hope he attributed Winston Churchill for that quote…

    Egg the Woman’s Libber quoting Kevin Andrews 🙄 maybe you should tell Kevin to keep his filthy hands off your eggy vage.

  382. Tony permalink
    September 7, 2014 6:07 pm

    #thetrainneverleftthestation

  383. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 6:23 pm

  384. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2014 6:27 pm

    KL, re …The man who opened the can of worms about Abbott’s potential ineligibility

    I’m still trying to figure out what this means … call me dumb (other peoplecommenters here do) … but if Abbott has “citizenship” then he has “citizenship” … I do recall that The Minister (born in Nederland – 18 months old here) had to declare her Australian Citizenship before she turned 21 (now I’d guess 18) … and as you know in my case I served in the ADF for two years and then applied for citizenship two years after my discharge … this business of Abbott not being “eligible” is tenuous in the extreme …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    RP … yep … Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill, KG, OM, CH, TD, DL, FRS, RA … was an odd bod alright … and a downright danger to humanity!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    John Dee … 1583! Fuck me that’s desperate shite, egg! I were never an olde Englyshe fan including that DH Shakespeare … a troglodyte foisted upon unsuspecting children by adult children who knew no better … ugh!

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2014 6:29 pm

    Onya! Julian!

    These Fuckwits should be crucified at the nest election …

  386. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 7, 2014 8:15 pm

    “These Fuckwits should be crucified at the nest election …”

    What for? Abbott is doing a better job than Labor would be doing.

    And Julian Burnside is a nasty human being. No wonder you lefties are attracted to Burnside.

  387. September 7, 2014 8:50 pm

    “Julian Burnside is a nasty human being.”

    Care to give some specific examples to back up that slur…?

  388. September 7, 2014 9:09 pm

    Yeah TB they use terms like
    Moderate, conservative, liberal, honest and adult,

    hijacked as a cloak for mainstream appeal to hide the bitter truth of actually being….

    Radical, Neocon, god bothering, teabaggers economic rationalists dishonest, social engineers

    I mean it goes to character……
    This government is a collection of Grubby, dishonest, unworthy, incompetent mostly men

    The whole Slipper affair confirms that.

  389. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 7, 2014 9:12 pm

    II must admit there is not much i have in common with labor supporters. But Burnside especially makes my skin crawl. Can’t think of much at the moment but maybe this

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julian-burnside-apologises-to-tony-abbott-over-paedos-in-speedos-tweet/story-fn59niix-1226153967794

    “HUMAN rights lawyer Julian Burnside has apologised to Tony Abbott after referring to “Paedos in speedos” during a Twitter conversation about the Coalition leader.

    The prominent QC said the tweet, which was seen by users of the social media service as a reference to pedophilia, was a mistake for which he unreservedly apologised.”

  390. September 7, 2014 9:16 pm

    And Julian Burnside is a nasty human being.

    Care to give some specific examples to back up that slur…?

    Oh this will be good 🙄

    Hey squeal you trolling immoral fucktard liar, how about you put that blow up child and explain yourself…

  391. TB Queensland permalink
    September 7, 2014 9:21 pm

    The prominent QC said the tweet, which was seen by users of the social media service as a reference to pedophilia, was a mistake for which he unreservedly apologised.”

    And there’s the difference, it, he apologised … your squirmy lot only apologise to dog in the little confessional chamber … to a complete stranger ..

  392. September 7, 2014 9:24 pm

    THIS MAKES MY SKIN CRAWL

    http://www.humanheadline.com.au/Hinch-Says/an-abbott-skeleton

    Tony Abbott appeared in court to give character evidence for the priest. He told the court he had known Nestor known since 1984 when both were studying for the priesthood at St Patrick’s Seminary in Sydney.

    He said Nestor was an ‘upright and virtuous’ man and waxed even more eloquent in the accused paedophile’s defence. He said Nestor was ‘a beacon of humanity at the seminary’.

  393. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 7, 2014 9:28 pm

    “And there’s the difference, it, he apologised “

    Burnside only apologised because he got caught. Burnside, Koukoulas, Bernard keane- most Labor supporters make my skin crawl. Nasty humans the bunch of them just like most ALP supporters.

    Burnside is insane.

  394. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 9:46 pm

    Care to give some specific examples to back up that slur…?

    exactly, these personal attacks on anyone who opposes liberal party policy is so ridiculous, like a wannabe bolt [who really is a nasty human being].

    Tell us what makes julian burnside QC, Officer of the Order of Australia for service as a human rights advocate, particularly for refugees and asylum seekers, to the arts as a patron and fundraiser, and to the law [wiki]…a nasty human being neil?

    #60 minutes, very underwhelming, what a fizzer.
    I’m still waiting for the shock and the rocking of the foundations of the abbott government – did i miss something?

  395. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 9:56 pm

    Burnside, Koukoulas, Bernard keane- most Labor supporters make my skin crawl. Nasty humans the bunch of them just like most ALP supporters.

    🙄

    take a look at your ridiculous self. If that’s all you’ve got I think it’s time to step away from the keyboard, it’s you who is insane [and trolling].

  396. September 7, 2014 10:41 pm

    Burnside I’m is insane.

    Well that’s patently obvious by virtue of you constancy embarrassing yourself with such absurd and clearly delusional comments

    take a look at your ridiculous self

    Clearly this failed troll has blown a gasket…probably watched 60 minutes tonight in between pumping up his pedo play toy. His consistent moralising is obviously deflective projection of his own immorality in the castigation others. 🙄

  397. September 7, 2014 10:57 pm

    Seeing we ARE talking about Morality…. Abbott is not fit to be PM..he and Pyne have misled parliament… Pyne, Brough and little Wyatt Roy should be sacked immediately

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/07/christopher-pyne-faces-explosive-allegations-he-lied-over-peter-slipper-affair

  398. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 7, 2014 10:59 pm

    remember when abbott said the japanese were honourable during wartime and how every time he meets another nation’s leader he says we are their very bestest friend?

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/china-takes-dig-over-closest-friend-remark-20140907-10dngp.html#ixzz3CdLn9TNZ

    …China’s visiting foreign minister has taken an apparent subtle swipe at the Abbott government, saying his country “may not be Australia’s closest friend at the moment”.
    The remark by Wang Yi, who arrived in Australia on Sunday, was an apparent reference to Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s controversial observation last year that Japan was Australia’s “closest friend in Asia” – breaching the common rule of not ranking diplomatic relationships…

  399. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2014 1:01 am

    “remember when abbott said the japanese were honourable during wartime

    Actually i don’t. I think he said something like even during the war we gave the Japanese submariners who entered Sydney Harbor and sank some ships and killed 21 people full military honors which is true.

  400. September 8, 2014 7:59 am

    Actually i don’t. I think

    Obviously…. even an immoral deviant failed troll like squeal cant in any concious stick up for a heinous lying rake like Abbott ” protecting the vulnerable”

  401. egg permalink
    September 8, 2014 8:06 am

    I’ll stand up for Abbott, along with my colleague Neil.

  402. egg permalink
    September 8, 2014 8:30 am

    Aaron Kosminski was Jack the Ripper

  403. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2014 9:09 am

    “Care to give some specific examples to back up that slur…? “

    Burnside is a nasty piece of work – a vain, pompous, hateful grub. He wants little childrent ot do his dirty work:

    “I hope little children stop him in the street and spit on his shoes.”

    He is the perfect leftist poseur – strutting about in his wig and gown, basking in his own moral superiority, never pausing to consider, much less acknowledge, his role in drowning 1,200 people.

  404. September 8, 2014 9:17 am

    never pausing to consider, much less acknowledge, his role in drowning 1,200 people.

    …. ;roll: Thats about as believable a Pynes denials

  405. September 8, 2014 9:54 am

    Fun Facts:

    Since Abbott govt elected:

    Number of people unemployed has risen by 96,200

    The unemployment rate has gone from 5.7% to 6.4%

  406. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:13 am

    … much less acknowledge, his role in drowning 1,200 people.

    Must be Monday morning … chuckle … and its not going to make Asbygate go away soon… methinks …

  407. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:29 am

    “” I think he said something like even during the war we gave the Japanese submariners who entered Sydney Harbor and sank some ships and killed 21 people full military honors …………””

    That’s right Abbott was simply repeating what was said at the time by one of the Australian Commanders during WW2 during the handover of the remains to a neutral country for transport to Japan.

  408. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:30 am

    “Must be Monday morning … chuckle “

    True enough.

    “its not going to make Asbygate go away soon… methinks …”

    I hope not. We need to have a good look at grubby backroom deals. ICAC is doing a great job in this regard.

    “Thats about as believable a Pynes denials”

    Obviously being a leftist means never having to say you are sorry. Even when the facts are clear – that for reasons of pure hubris the leftsts changed the policy and celebrated their moral superiority with the consequence that about 1,200 people drowned.

    There was no need to change the policy as the detention centres were empty and the drownings had stopped. You would have to be a complete moral cretin, a great posturing fraud, a Julian Burnside, not to have even a moment’s reflection about the consequences of your pusillanimous posturing.

    There are a few lefties I know who have had the intellectual honesty to recognise the consequences of the change in policy and modify their views.That is how you distinguish the prattling poseurs from decent human beings.

  409. September 8, 2014 11:20 am

    Obviously being a leftist means never having to say you are sorry.

    Mate as a centrist I see that as the big problem facing Australia. Abbotts tactic of division is polerising people in faux outrage and hatred. The Lunar Right and Lunar left are in a battle for the moralist high ground , both incapable of and admission of fact giving no quarter. This is Abbotts governance of division….
    I will say that at least the centre left is capable of saying the word sorry and holding remorse…something lost on godbothering teabag neocon monachasts…. incapable of bipartisan anything….lie deny and never admit…

  410. egg permalink
    September 8, 2014 11:21 am

    ‘…intellectual honesty to recognise the consequences of the change in policy and modify their views.’

    They appear to be severely brainwashed and observational facts are of no consequence.

  411. egg permalink
    September 8, 2014 11:22 am

    ‘Mate as a centrist ‘

    ha ha ha

  412. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 11:43 am

    ‘Mate as a centrist ‘
    ha ha ha

    “…I’m a fence sitter
    I’m an old lefty…”

    ha ha ha

    I think you’ll find that most of us are centrists and not red ragger communists, something you nutjobs can’t seem to comprehend. You lot are so extreme [teabag] right in your views that anyone with a decent, normal, human compassion is ‘raging left’ to you.

    Moral views are seen as something repugnant to you lot, yet, everyday your MP reps are out there making moral judgements on other people re sexuality and especially have a need to control through legislation the female uterus. Legislating for christian propagandising in all ‘public’ schools. You talk big on ‘moralising’ when your hypocrisy, humanity and your own morals are very obviously skewed and deficient.

  413. September 8, 2014 12:09 pm

    “…I’m a fence sitter”

    Comedy gold!

  414. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:09 pm

    “The Lunar Right and Lunar left are in a battle for the moralist high ground , both incapable of and admission of fact giving no quarter”

    This is the worst aspect of modern Australian politics. Every statement seems to be calculated for its media impact. They seem to be quite happy looking ridiculous, twisting and distorting and evading questions, so long as they keep to their talking points. Abbott is not the worst offender, he wanders away from his talking points but then he looks even worse.

  415. September 8, 2014 12:11 pm
  416. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:14 pm

    ICAC getting interesting:

    twitter.com/Kate_McClymont/status/508770602656600064

  417. September 8, 2014 12:22 pm

    ‘Mate as a centrist ‘
    ha ha ha

    At least I can articulate what I actually stand for.. You’re too busy with one hand up your Vagina and the other on the keyboard trolling the bowels of the net for new droll ways to post meaningless dross to derail blog threads in a flagrant attention seeking campaign…

    AO I was raised by a socialist with a strong sense of social conscience. Pillar of community, charity advocate, life member of a junior soccer association, club president, and high office unionist. Ardent anti communist. I am Centre left but a conservative on some issues. I consider issues on merit and loath the imposition of the neo right, religious and corporate interest groups. Blind ideology with the absence of critical thinking appals and sickens me.

    Trolls like Egg and squeal are a blight on the political landscape spinning tops on steaming turds that add nothing but more shit to the sewer.

  418. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:30 pm

    All you need to know about anonymous political donations in one chart #nswpol #ICAC

    That is absolutely incredible reb. And the reason that none of them want a federal ICAC. The corruption of our political system is a festering boil that needs lancing and disinfecting.

  419. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:31 pm

    Closing in on the Federal Racketeers:

    “The previous day, Mr Partridge sent a cheque for $125,000 to the Free Enterprise Foundation with a note that read: “We trust this donation will provide assistance with the 2011 NSW State election campaign.”

  420. egg permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:34 pm

    ‘At least I can articulate what I actually stand for…’

    Yes, very colourful.

  421. egg permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:36 pm

    ‘The corruption of our political system is a festering boil that needs lancing and disinfecting.’

    And we all agree on that.

  422. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:41 pm

    Bingo indeed, Ricky! Politcal sleaze at its finest.

  423. September 8, 2014 1:05 pm

    Splatter look at how cheaply Forrester, Rienhardt and palmer have influenced policy and democratic process with cash..they are just the tip of the iceberg. All the filth financing the IPA and Bolt… its a matrix of deceitful disgrace..

  424. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 1:14 pm

  425. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 1:24 pm

    you just have to ask yourselves, what hope is there – when such big money is sloshing around, buying government, politicians and entire governmental policies which are being written and presented by political supporters and donors.

    What possible influence and participation in our democracy can ordinary voters, members of the public expect to have when they are completely ignored and marginalised through the big pockets of donors.

    Why bother voting and why believe a word they say?

  426. egg permalink
    September 8, 2014 2:00 pm

    I feel your angst, but there is no simple solution as it exists in all political systems.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/2014-09/08/content_18561293.htm

  427. September 8, 2014 2:29 pm
  428. egg permalink
    September 8, 2014 2:54 pm

    Job ads at 17 month high, which suggests a tipping point in unemployment numbers.

  429. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:18 pm

    Aint this the Truth…………

    “”………….One Australian aviation source said it was a common view within the industry that the relative cheapness of flights had contributed to an increase in abusive behaviour on planes. “Thirty years ago it was expensive and therefore a better type of person travelled,” the source, who asked not to be identified, said.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-incidents/number-of-airline-passengers-behaving-badly-on-the-rise-20140908-10dq1z.html#ixzz3ChbOJlkY

  430. egg permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:28 pm

    ‘Aint this the Truth…………’

    Yes, that’s why bullet trains for the upwardly mobile (fares applicable) should keep out the riff raff for awhile. Egalitarianism has its drawbacks.

  431. September 8, 2014 4:37 pm

    “Thirty years ago it was expensive and therefore a better type of person travelled,” the source, who asked not to be identified, said.

    This is so true!

    Once upon a time the domain of the skies was populated exclusively by stylish and sophisticated well dressed executives like myself, and the occasional retiree going to Florida.

    How times have changed. These days, any old piece of white trash can get on a plane as evidenced by the hordes of bogans who fly cattle class well pissed from Brisbane to Bali.

    It’s as if someone took the entire population of the Gold Coast and put them in the air.

    IT’S A DISGRACE!

  432. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:45 pm

    And 25 years ago you could also smoke a cigar on the plane as you sipped on a cognac

  433. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2014 8:39 pm

    Mung Olives!

    (Look it up on the twitter: #mungolives)

  434. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2014 2:00 pm

    And 25 years ago you could also smoke a cigar on the plane as you sipped on a cognac

    I certainly couldn’t … only fat walruses … walrusii?

  435. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 6:15 pm

    Oh For Fucks Sake !

    Concrete evidence the World has gone completely mad……………………………

    http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/we-ride-harleydavidsons-electric-livewire-20140909-10ecb7.html

  436. September 10, 2014 12:01 pm

    This is a DISGRACE!

    “Atheist must swear to God or leave US Air Force”

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/09/10/atheist-must-swear-god-or-leave-us-air-force

  437. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 5:43 pm

    This will be a disaster for the Welfare loving Scots.

    Perhaps Tasmania will follow suit here………one can live in hope

    http://www.news.com.au/world/scotland-independence-referendum-british-pm-cameron-makes-lastminute-appeal-to-scotland/story-fndir2ev-1227054296213

  438. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 10, 2014 6:26 pm

    “Perhaps Tasmania will follow suit here………one can live in hope

    Better still, send all the Greens to Tasmania and let them show us how an economy should be run.

    I think within 6 months they would be asking for a bailout.

  439. September 10, 2014 6:28 pm

    “send all the Greens to Tasmania ”

    They’re actually all already there Neil.

  440. September 10, 2014 8:01 pm

    COMING SOON ON THE GUTTER TRASH:

    The Oscar Pistorious Verdict.

    #Bereadyforoutrage

  441. September 11, 2014 1:13 am

    He is legless, therefore he is innocent.

    I, for one, have never forgotten the most important Rule of Life…’If He Doth Walketh, He Doth Murder ‘…Book of Faecalmutterings, Verse something…

    Verily, it calls to mind ‘He Who Walketh Not,And Ye…Neither Is He A Quadriped…Will Be Welcome In The Kingdom Of Olympic Prosthetic Competitionists! ‘…And, so it was…

  442. September 11, 2014 1:16 am

    Haha…hitlerwasaleftistoSY is still getting shit from (that leftist meme generator) twitter.

    Is this similar to why I am compelled to scan Bolt to know the mind of my enemies?

  443. September 11, 2014 1:20 am

    #thetrainneverleftthestation

    I hope you weren’t in attendance, my friend?

    There is naught worse than getting your pants pulled down by portscum in a final!

    At least now you can get on the next train withme; the one I’m on all day, every day, year in year out. Namely…

    #anyonebutportscum

  444. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 11, 2014 6:38 am

  445. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 11, 2014 7:06 am

    ohhh fck nooo, not another failure broken promise!

    Bring on the RC into AS and james ashby

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/scott-morrison-u-turn-offshore-transfer

    Scott Morrison signals U-turn on offshore transfer for asylum seekers
    Minister is ‘seeking alternatives’ to placing people who arrived in a nearly six-month window in 2013 in camps

  446. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2014 8:38 am

    <a href="http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/our-fear-of-seeming-racist-hurts-aboriginal-children/story-fni0ffxg-1227054377444"Here is an example of why reading Bolt is in worthwhile.

    The article raises an important issue which has been swept under the carpet by those who would much prefer the continued rape and murder of children to any questioning of their sacred beliefs in multiculturalism.

    It is a fair bet that rather than a serious discussion of this social disaster the response from he usual suspects will be hysterical abuse of Bolt. After all, they have done what good leftists do – put on a charade of seeming to care. Thye don’t give a shit about the actual consequences of their rotten policies.

  447. September 11, 2014 11:14 am
  448. Walrus permalink
    September 11, 2014 11:21 am

    “”They don’t give a shit about the actual consequences of their rotten policies.””

    Yep !

    The disconnect between Reality and their shit theories grows wider every day.

  449. Walrus permalink
    September 11, 2014 11:46 am

    Jobless rate 6.1% down from 6.4% last month.

    I bet you Lefties are pissed off by that news.

    Though you never know maybe some refugees might drown in our waters in the next few days.

  450. September 11, 2014 11:53 am
  451. Walrus permalink
    September 11, 2014 12:07 pm

    The Kouk…………?……………………….he’s a truly great economist.

    He said this did’nt he……………………?

    “For now, there is nothing to seriously suggest the Treasury forecasts will be wrong, or rather, in which direction any errors will be.

    The surplus in 2012-13 is still more likely than not. “

    -Stephen Koukoulas

    http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/still_on_target_for_budget_surplus_5dZNosKvtVw8GvcgmZ8UXP

    As you would say………………………….””And how we laughed””

  452. egg permalink
    September 11, 2014 3:22 pm

    ‘Chinese spent almost $6 billion on real estate in Australia last year. With spending by US and UK buyers plummeting.’

    Ray White

  453. September 11, 2014 4:40 pm

    ””And how we laughed””

    I thought you’d get a giggle out of it Walrus… 🙂

  454. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2014 7:35 pm

    Whatever I think about the Ice lady … Nicole Kidman – the stick figure of acting – but a person I don’t know – I offer my sincere condolences for the loss of her father …

    RIP … Dr Kidman

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/nicole-kidmans-father-dr-antony-kidman-dies-in-fall/story-fn907478-1227056911579

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    sreb, I think we need a new Rostrum … G20?

  455. egg permalink
    September 13, 2014 7:45 am

    ‘Meanwhile, a study by Deutsche Bank said a Yes vote for Scottish independence would “go down in history as a political and economic mistake” on a par with Winston Churchill’s
    decision in 1925 to return the pound to the Gold Standard or the failures by the Federal Reserve in America that triggered the Great Depression in the 1930s.’

    UK Tele

  456. TB Queensland permalink
    September 13, 2014 9:55 am

    Jobless rate 6.1% down from 6.4% last month.

    I bet you Lefties are pissed off by that news.

    Most economists are extremely curious – it actually equates to creating 27 jobs every ten minutes 7 days a week for the month …

    … mmmmm … dodgy somewhere? 27 every ten minutes … yeah like that flying pig …

    We do have an LNP government abusingin power at the moment …

  457. Meta permalink
    September 14, 2014 2:09 am

    (6.3 Let the enemy’s own spy sow discord in the enemy camp. 2.6 Take the opportunity to pilfer a goat.)

  458. Meta permalink
    September 14, 2014 2:31 am

    (Hooray, Kurdish Kirkuk has been reretaken; but uttohuttoh.)

  459. egg permalink
    September 14, 2014 12:42 pm

    Old news but the implications are worth discussing.

    http://www.globecast.com.au/news/press-release/new-chinese-news-channels-australia-globecast-australia-launches-cnc-tv

  460. egg permalink
    September 15, 2014 8:00 am

    Off Peak

    ‘A sudden drop in the global demand for oil is “nothing short of remarkable” according to the International Energy Agency (IEA).

    ‘The Paris-based IEA says its global demand forecast has been “revised down sharply” in the past month as oil prices on futures markets continue to tumble.’

    ABC

  461. egg permalink
    September 15, 2014 9:55 am

    ‘As Xuexi Shibao, a Chinese Communist Party newspaper, pointed out on September 8, China has been pushing for two “Silk Roads” to link it to the resources-rich Middle East. One is the traditional sea lane which runs through the Indian Ocean, South China Sea and East China Sea, and which has been re-baptized by President XI Jinping as the “Maritime Silk Road.” The other, less noticed, consists of building a new supply route overland through Central Asia and into the Middle East.’

    The Diplomat

  462. TB Queensland permalink
    September 15, 2014 11:47 am

    China has been pushing for two “Silk Roads”

    Speaking of Silk Roads, I watched the segment on the on-line drug trafficking site Silk Roads, last night …

    Brandis et al would be better off limiting that online activity rather than downloading movies … don’t know of any deaths through pirating …

    Priorities, priorities …

    See also …

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/dark-net-drug-deals-boom-on-cyber-silk-road-20120810-23wdj.html

  463. Walrus permalink
    September 15, 2014 11:53 am

    “Brandis et al would be better off limiting that online activity rather than downloading movies””

    Absolutely……………….I’d hate to see certain Robber Barons in Queensland being denied their rightful share of illegally downloaded TV series

  464. egg permalink
    September 16, 2014 7:15 am

    Worth a Shot

    ‘THE cashless welfare card proposed by mining magnate Andrew Forrest is the favoured model to replace income management after July next year, but instead of being rolled out across the country it will be targeted at people “at risk”, including the long-term unemployed, jobless families and some young people.’

    Karvelas / Oz

  465. egg permalink
    September 16, 2014 7:20 am

    ‘The pilot of the missing MH370 flight killed himself and his passengers by switching off the oxygen supply in what is the sixth example of such a suicide, according to an aviation expert.

    ‘Ewan Wilson, head of Kiwi Airlines, believes Zaharie Ahmad Shah planned mass murder – locking his co-pilot out of the cockpit, depressurising the cabin and shutting down all communication links before turning the plane around.

    ‘Having examined all other possibilities, Mr Wilson insists that Shah, 53, is responsible for the deaths of the 227 passengers and 12 crew members on board the doomed Malaysian Airlines flight, which disappeared on March 8.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2756315/MH370-pilot-switched-oxygen-supply-kill-SIXTH-example-suicide-flights-according-Kiwi-Airlines-boss.html#ixzz3DQC3JVuV
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