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Abbott announces Iraq War Assault as Thousands Protest Against Budget Cuts!

August 31, 2014

 

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As thousands of men, women and children marched in a united protest in main city centres and regional areas right across Australia, Prime Minister Tony Abbott today announced that Australian troops will “hand deliver” weapons to Iraq.

Even though Australia nor its allies are facing an imminent attack, Australia is now well and truly involved in the Iraq conflict.

Australian planes will risk anti-aircraft fire from Islamic State militants to land on Iraqi soil to deliver arms and munitions to Kurdish fighters.

The announcement has sparked speculation that Australian troops could soon enter the conflict against Islamic militants that now control huge swathes of the country.

Speaking to the so-called “media” today, Abbott said that “Any military activity by Australia, over and above the humanitarian airdrops and the military airlift that we’ve talked about now will be in participation, will be along with allies, and it would be at the request of the government of Iraq.”  

TONY ABBOTT ISSUES STARK WARNING:  “IT COULD HAPPEN HERE!”

Mr Abbott described events in Iraq as a “humanitarian catastrophe”, and referred to the so called “radicals” believed to be involved in the conflict.

“They are brutalised and they are accustomed to kill in the name of God,” he said.

“If it is right to kill in the name of God in Iraq, there is no reason to think that the same people won’t do likewise … in Australia.”

“We’ve seen beheadings and mass executions — it’s severe,” he said.

The first mission to deliver weapons to Erbil will be undertaken “in coming days”, the prime minister said.

However, the announcement has left both The Greens and Independent MP Andrew Wilkie seething.

Just last week, Andrew Wilkie voiced concerns that Tony Abbott was at “real risk” of repeating the mistake made in 2003 when Australia joined the invasion of Iraq.

Mr Wilkie, who resigned from his position as an intelligence analyst with the Office of National Assessments in 2003 because he believed information stating Iraq as a risk was overblown, said the problem 11 and a half years later was “of our own making”.

“Eleven years ago we helped start a war that has run for 11 and a half years that has created the circumstances in which these so-called jihadists are now running riot across the country and committing terrible atrocities,” he said in Hobart.

“The other regrettable dimension is that the government is at real risk of repeating the mistake of 11 and a half years ago of a prime minister, virtually alone, declaring war in another country.

“If Australia is to recommit combat troops to Iraq it must be, it must be, with the approval of the federal parliament.”

“This is a problem for the international community, not necessarily just for the United States. This is something the United Nations should be debating for a collective response” he said.

However Prime Minister Abbott has by-passed Parliament with today’s announcement defiantly stating that the weapons drop was about doing “what is right for our country and what is best for our world”. 

ABBOTT ACCUSED OF DECLARING WAR ON AUSTRALIA!

Meanwhile at Sydney’s March in August demonstration, protesters accused the PM of declaring war on his own people.

The president of the NSW Teachers Federation, Maurie Mulheron, told the crowd the government “simply doesn’t believe” in providing public support for education.

“It is obvious that the Abbott government has declared war on children and young people,” he said.

“It is determined by way of policy to limit opportunity. In short it simply does not believe the government should provide education.”

The government is attempting to push through higher education changes, including deregulation of fees and increasing interest rates for student debts.

Destroy the Joint co-founder Jenna Price said women were hit hardest by many of the cuts in the federal budget.

She also warned a bill currently before the parliament, if passed, would implement measures that were “a form of Workchoices” which would wind back workers’ rights and could allow employees to be “paid with pizza”.

Three months after the Federal Budget was announced, the Abbott government remains hugely unpopular amongst voters following a litany of broken promises not to cut funding to Health, Education, pensions, the ABC and SBS.

An intelligent individual might reasonably conclude that this latest war effort announcement is merely a predictable and cynical attempt to boost his fledging approval ratings.

And you’d be right.

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97 Comments leave one →
  1. August 31, 2014 6:27 pm

    Go Team Australia!

  2. August 31, 2014 6:37 pm

    Yay for distractions in the Other Hemisphere!

  3. August 31, 2014 6:39 pm

    Semi-appropriate…

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    August 31, 2014 7:43 pm

    However Prime Minister Abbott has by-passed Parliament with today’s announcement defiantly stating that the weapons drop was about doing “what is right for our country and what is best for our world”.

    We have just become involved in a Civil War …

    The ignorance of the Abbott government is astounding … frightening … deadly … and certainly not in the intersts of this country …

  5. August 31, 2014 8:18 pm

    I guess with people like Egg and Squeal voting for this fruitloop he is hoping that the medication in the coolaid wont wear off till the next dose…
    I mean What did they expect? he was an unhinged lunar fuckwit before the election, what he would get better or something…

    I mean Squeal cant even bring himself to explain one redeeming feature of this goose stepping numbnut…what does that tell you?

    We may have the first Coup in Australia’s history if this keeps up..

  6. armchair opinionator permalink
    August 31, 2014 9:03 pm

    There’s no ‘I’ in team, tony.
    Did you debate this in the people’s house or did you do a stitch up with labor?

  7. Neil of Sydney permalink
    August 31, 2014 11:19 pm

    I notice Margo left out all the violent signs of which i am sure there were many.

    This current budget is all the ALP/Greens fault since they were the ones who trashed the budget during 6 years of mindless rule.

    Lesson is- don’t trash the budget in the first place then no harsh medicine needs to be applied. But mindless leftists/Greens/ALP people are too thick to learn this lesson.

  8. September 1, 2014 12:39 am

    So that’s what you have to add?
    You notice that you are are sure Margo left something out that you dint see?
    What a fucking genius..Are you trying to bore us to death?

    Were you there fuckwit? I saw no violence whatsoever, families, pensioners disgruntled Liberal voters..a real sense of grass roots community across a wide demographic.

    Again then the same broken record of factless rhetorical vindictive statements?

    This coming from a lowbrow troll that adds nothing at all… no posts, no facts… just vindictive trite trip…over and over….

    You cant even defend Abbott? Did you watch that video with Sloane and the KouK ? Did you learn anything? or is it a bit lofty for that straw poll brain of your infected with terminal Murochracy?

    Cmon answer the questions.. troll.. 🙄
    Is Abbott a good leader…?
    Is he a good PM?
    What are his enduring intellectual and affable attributes?
    What is his parliamentary legacy?
    What legislation has he championed and written that has benefited Australia?
    Are you a member of a Union?
    When will he pass his budget?
    Is Tony Abbott a moderate conservative?

  9. egg permalink
    September 1, 2014 7:51 am

    ‘This coming from a lowbrow troll that adds nothing at all… no posts, no facts… just vindictive trite trip…over and over….’

    Careful of the irony shortarse.

  10. egg permalink
    September 1, 2014 9:33 am

    Ricky the 2 IC in DCI Banks is a reasonable take on The Bridge girl, with English eccentricity instead of Nordic weirdness.

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2014 9:36 am

    ”We have just become involved in a Civil War …”

    And the relevance of that is…?

    Bosnia/Serbia/Yugoslavia – civil war
    Rwanda – civil war
    Zimbabwe – civil war
    South Africa – civil war

    There are civil wars that Australian governments have policies on, and which might involve different levels of intervention, particularly at the request of the country’s government.

    Dropping some supplies to the Kurds appears to be at the least adventurist end of intervention.

    I’m not keen on the “convert or die” system of nation building that appears to be favoured by ISIL.

  12. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 1, 2014 9:40 am

    Is Abbott a good leader…?
    He was a much more effective leader of the opposition than his predecessors. He has struggled with being PM. He presents very badly, makes stupid comments, has an incoherent policy and seems to be as driven by spin as Rudd and Gillard.

    Is he a good PM?
    No. People are confused about what he stands for. He has no coherent agenda.

    What are his enduring intellectual and affable attributes?
    He is probably quite intelligent. He is a bit more honest in that he lets his guard down and says what he thinks sometimes. Then he looks really stupid.

    What is his parliamentary legacy?
    Getting rid of the carbon tax is a big place. Stopping the drownings has been a big plus althoug his critics are very pissed off about this.

    What legislation has he championed and written that has benefited Australia?
    Legislation for its own sake is not a positive. Passing legislation that you can’t fund is a sign of hubris and incompetence. the left love it.

    Are you a member of a Union?
    Who gives a fuck?

    When will he pass his budget?
    Not all of it will pass. This is a red herring. The fact the Senate is in the hands of crazies is not entirely Abbott’s fault.

    Is Tony Abbott a moderate conservative?
    He is just another politician who would sell his arse for power.

    **********

    There are a lot of “I”s in Margo’s sign. There are few things as cretinous as a caring lefty. Margo is a particularly egregous specimen of this species.

  13. Tom R permalink
    September 1, 2014 10:07 am

    The fact the Senate is in the hands of crazies is not entirely Abbott’s fault.

    Actually, I disagree about that.

    tabot, in opposition, with the help of the msm, trashed just about every parliamentary standard there is. With his constant and unquestioned negativity, every political process was trashed and ridiculed, and every political attempt by the Government to process legislation was stymied and mocked both by the opposition and the media at large.

    By the time of the election, Politicians were, generally speaking a laughing stock, and palmer played right into that vacuum that murdoch and tabot had created. Not only that, but the libs themselves pissed off about the only person rich enough and powerful enough to orchestrate this

    Now, he gets to deal with it, although, this time, with an opposition who are willing to work constructively. More fools them,.

    So I would argue palmer being there IS entirely tabots (and the medias) fault.

  14. Tom R permalink
    September 1, 2014 10:08 am

    Meanwhile, under the cover of Operation TeamAustralia

    Dead, Buried, Cremated?

    https://twitter.com/sallymcmanus

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2014 10:14 am

    And the relevance of that is…?

    Neither “side” will really help you and you never know which faction will swap, shift, jump, turn on you or simply get on a boat to Australia …

    You forgot VN … you know the other one we lost – well the one we didn’t win, actually – the one that McNamara said was a “mistake” but cost Australia 500 dead and 3,629 injured/wounded …

    And the USA 58, 209 dead …

    Why aren’t we sending any military help to Ukraine … why don’t we help Tibet …

    Politics and politicians …

    Wait for Abbott in a tank, Abbott with a slouch hat, Abbott in a cockpit, Abbott on a warship, Abbott on a firing range ….

    The more we “help” … the less the locals will do … where is Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan etc etc … or do they condone IS or will they take sides with IS once the West is committed?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    He is probably quite intelligent. He is a bit more honest in that he lets his guard down and says what he thinks sometimes. Then he looks really stupid.

    You may want to edit that sentence, sb 🙂

    There are few things as cretinous as a caring lefty

    I suppose you could transpose that into … “There are few things as cretinous as an uncaring righty” …

    Thank goodness I’m a caring centrist …

  16. egg permalink
    September 1, 2014 11:27 am

    ‘No. People are confused about what he stands for. He has no coherent agenda.’

    Getting the country back in the black does seem odd when the US is printing money, with Europe soon to follow. Still, its part of his strategy which is primarily aimed at attracting foreign investment and infrastructure building.

    The election is two years off, which gives him time to jump on the accelerated evolutionary bandwagon and win handsomely.

  17. Meta permalink
    September 1, 2014 12:11 pm

    (Civil wars are irrelevant! Moreover, incessant harking back to ‘lessons learned’, say in VN, or even in Eye-rack, also is irrelevant!)

  18. Meta permalink
    September 1, 2014 12:23 pm

    (Still, the ‘AusAid’ (doesn’t exist, has been abolished, stick with “Australian Aid”, as clearly sticker-labelled per the PR piccies, lax reporters) and ‘light weapons’ (not pictured) going to the Peshmerga (peshmergas? peshesmerga?) should help.)

  19. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 12:55 pm

    …He is a bit more honest in that he lets his guard down and says what he thinks sometimes. Then he looks really stupid…

    is that because what he thinks is stupid?

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 1:04 pm

    …Why aren’t we sending any military help to Ukraine … why don’t we help Tibet …
    Politics and politicians …

    Yes TB, Burma and some african countries come to mind too, why is this different, there’s a lot of humanitarian aid urgently needed around the globe, why the sudden concern over one?

    Wait for Abbott in a tank, Abbott with a slouch hat, Abbott in a cockpit, Abbott on a warship, Abbott on a firing range ….

    oh, spare us from the political posturing, it is all he is capable of. When you’re on a good thing stick to it like your re-election depends upon it!

  21. egg permalink
    September 1, 2014 1:38 pm

    ‘Why aren’t we sending any military help to Ukraine …’

    Its a dodgy civil war which the West created and brinkmanship has the potential to get out of hand. Back in our theatre its different, but similar.

    http://thediplomat.com/2014/08/iran-didnt-create-isis-we-did/

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2014 1:47 pm

    *Convert or die
    *Use of rape as retribution
    *Mass executions
    *Sexual slavery
    *Ethnic/religious cleansing

    Is there anywhere else that is practicing this level of uncontrolled brutality?
    =======
    AO & TB, are you saying we shouldn’t drop supplies to the Kurds?

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 1:58 pm

  24. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 2:05 pm

    AO & TB, are you saying we shouldn’t drop supplies to the Kurds?

    I’m certainly not tomM, but I do think that if we take a moral and humanitarian position on one, we should be doing it all over the globe where needed, why select certain ones? There are people in the congo, somalia etc [amongst others] who exist under the same inhumane conditions.

  25. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 1, 2014 2:06 pm

    “is that because what he thinks is stupid?”

    Maybe it just comes out wrong. Like when he was asked by Kerry O’Brien about the tax to pay for PPL and whether that was a broken promise …… OK I just looked at the transcript – stupid it is. Still I sort of prefer Abbott’s admission to Labor trying to pretend that the Carbon Tax was not a tax.

  26. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 2:15 pm

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 2:19 pm

    Maybe it just comes out wrong.

    I think it comes out exactly as he thinks it, which is wrong thinking IMO, but then there’s a lot of cowboy rednecks who think the same way, his party and it’s supporters are full of them.

  28. Meta permalink
    September 1, 2014 2:28 pm

    (Indubitably, border and/or mission creep is a clear-cut thing, and intrinsically for the greater good.)

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2014 2:44 pm

    AO & TB, are you saying we shouldn’t drop supplies to the Kurds?

    ToM, do you think that is all that Winston Abbott has in mind?

    And …

    *Convert or die
    *Use of rape as retribution
    *Mass executions
    *Sexual slavery
    *Ethnic/religious cleansing

    Yes … wherever there is a civil war trundling out …

    Here take your pick …

    http://www.warsintheworld.com/?page=static1258254223

    ToM, do you think it ever stops?

    BTW … asterisks are not bullet points! OK?

  30. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 2:44 pm

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2014 2:52 pm

    Labor trying to pretend that the Carbon Tax was not a tax.

    Expect better from you, sb …

    BTW where’s my electricity rebate? It’ll be another Abbott lie … you know … Gillard (never a fan by the way) told one “lie” that was exploited to the hilt … it was a tax that no-one was really affected by … Abbott has told how many that will affect millions of Australians?

    Probably paying for weapons now … according to Wally that’s where my pension “entitlement” went … you know the one I paid for in tax over 40 years?

  32. egg permalink
    September 1, 2014 3:00 pm

    ‘it was a tax that no-one was really affected by …’

    Small businesses in competitive markets took a battering.

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2014 4:01 pm

    ToM, do you think it ever stops?

    Now, I’m not naïve. But is seems reasonable to slow down some of the rape, sexual slavery & slaughter.

    Or do you think we should just stand by and watch the rape & slaughter on TV?

  34. September 1, 2014 4:39 pm

    The Iraqi Ambassador to Australia is rejecting/questioning PM Abbott’s plan to arm militia(s) in Iraq. Questions of sovereignty.

    2 hours ago Abbott told Parliament the gunrunning to the Kurds would be done “with the support of the Iraqi government.”

  35. September 1, 2014 4:52 pm

    Morriscum is gonna be on the 730 report tonight.

  36. Tom R permalink
    September 1, 2014 6:19 pm

    Questions of sovereignty.

    Like we’ve cared about that in the past.

    Labor trying to pretend that the Carbon Tax was not a tax.

    Really? Here I was thinking Gillard copped shit for years because she very specifically said she didn’t want to get into a semantic debate about it, and they could call it a tax if they wanted to.

    It just wasn’t that specific form of Carbon “Tax” she was speaking of at the time. Not that that mattered to the hacks.

    They also kept missing the bit about wanting to bring in a market based mechanism (which she qualified the “no Carbon Tax” remark with at the time), which, funnily enough, is what we had.

    Morriscum is gonna be on the 730 report tonight.

    I hope he isn’t too hard with his questioning of the interviewer.

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 6:32 pm

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    September 1, 2014 6:59 pm

    “treat veterans properly before sending more troops overseas”

    Well she got that right … just beat me to it!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Small businesses in competitive markets took a battering.

    BS! Prove it … ALL business has taken a battering since this government declared its butchery budget …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Now, I’m not naïve. But is seems reasonable to slow down some of the rape, sexual slavery & slaughter.

    Then why have we never invaded Saudi Arabia? (More beheadings than IS last month)

    “Slow down” … why not stop it?

    Or do you think we should just stand by and watch the rape & slaughter on TV?

    You watch rape and slaughter?

    What’s the “we”? Are you signing up with, sb … ?

    Seems you just may be naïve, ToM …

    Our ADF has been at war for 12 years (not the generals and Tones – nor you and me) … they are weary and tired and quite frankly their families are fkn fed up …

    WWI lasted four years

    WWII lasted five

    Vietnam 10

    Iraq and Afghanistan lasted how long?

    They are not tin soldiers … they are people … very special people … but people nevertheless … and they are a defence force – for Australia – not the Middle East …

  39. Tom R permalink
    September 1, 2014 7:06 pm

    You watch rape and slaughter?

    Watching is easier than thinking

    Despite being called a racist for discussing a man’s race and later a coward for not commenting on the “radical Islam spewing from his homeland”, Brand says: “The radicalism and violence that we’re seeing in that area – do you want to understand it? Or do you just want to condemn it? The chaos in the Middle East was created by this exact energy, this presumptuous, aggressive, overbearing entitlement that comes from a certain sector of neo-conservative American thinking.

    “They’re the people that went into the Middle East, they’re the people that make deals out there now that create this kind of disharmony and conflict.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/russell-brand-is-leftwing-commie-scum-fox-news-says-as-fight-to-the-death-continues-9698880.html

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 1, 2014 7:07 pm

    1. I don’t think it is a “civil war” when the objectives of ISIL are demonstratively expansionist, beyond the borders of the regions/countries it currently control
    2. Is beheading, the main criteria TB? Just ignore the sexual slavery, the rape and mass executions, the “convert or die” mentality, the genocide, the flouting of every human rights convention.
    3. Just watch all that on TV

  41. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2014 7:26 pm

    “Our ADF has been at war for 12 years

    I think it is actually 24 years. Bob Hawke/ALP took us to war in 1990 and we have been there ever since.

    “ALL business has taken a battering since this government declared its butchery budget

    Biggest jump the the unemployment rate occurred under Rudd/Gillard. It went from 4.3% to 5.8%. I am sure the Carbon tax did not help our manufacturing industry.

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 9:17 pm

    Morriscum is gonna be on the 730 report tonight.

    I was out, did he offer the interviewer anything but smartarse responses, refusal of accountability and refusal to give proper answers?

  43. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2014 9:46 pm

    Funny how AO posts bad things that happen to asylum seekers in detention now that the Coalition is in power.

    I do not recall AO saying much when the govt she voted for ie ALP/Greens were locking up more men women and children asylum seekers than any govt in our history.

    I believe there were 25 suicides under Rudd/Gillard and lots of other acts of self harm

    Fact is Morrison is the asylum seekers only hope. Raza Berati took a boat here because he could not get a job in his chosen profession not because he was fleeing for his life.

    Playing politics with asylum seekers hey AO aka kittylitter.

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 1, 2014 10:06 pm

    AO has always been against mandatory detention beyond initial health & security checks. AO has always stated she is opposed to offshore detention and inhumane treatment of people who have committed no crime in coming here, people who have risked their lives to seek sanctuary. I think mandatory detention of children is state sponsored child abuse, labor and liberal are in competition to see who can be the most cruel. So far the libs win hands down.

    Peddle your pathetic partisan politics elsewhere kneel.

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 1, 2014 10:21 pm

    Like I said i don’t recall you saying too much when Rugg/Gillard/Greens were in govt and locking all these people up.

  46. September 1, 2014 11:45 pm

    Just fuck off Squeal… why don’t you and egg just fuck off. we are not your therapy…. your just a fucking pest

    So that’s what you have to add to discourse? A broken record of factless rhetorical vindictive statements? You add nothing but a predictable meme from a version of the past..

    You never talk about the current policies and cant defend Abbott….

    Answer the questions..prosecute your considered case.. 🙄
    Is Abbott a good leader…?
    Is he a good PM?
    What are his enduring intellectual and affable attributes?
    What is his parliamentary legacy?
    What legislation has he championed and written that has benefited Australia?
    Are you a member of a Union?
    When will he pass his budget?
    Is Tony Abbott a moderate conservative?

  47. September 2, 2014 5:15 am

    (For Certain; there is nothing like a little war-misadventure to distract from current home-grown incompetence.)

  48. September 2, 2014 5:34 am

    ””AO has always been against mandatory detention beyond initial health & security checks.””#me-too ””’AO has always stated she is opposed to offshore detention and inhumane treatment of people who have committed no crime in coming here, people who have risked their lives to seek sanctuary.””’#ditto-me-too ””’I think mandatory detention of children is state sponsored child abuse, labor and liberal are in competition to see who can be the most cruel. So far the libs win hands down.”””#agree-me-too

    ””Peddle your pathetic partisan politics elsewhere kneel.””’
    #go fcuk`ya self kneel

    # l also object to the billion$ wasted just to persecute the poor bastards for hate-based political grand-standing and scare-mongering. Both `teams` are failures on the `financial-responsibility` point here too. The money spent on off-shore gulag programs are the most wasteful way of continuing misery devised.

    .

    Do you notice our hate monger`ers teabags never include the dollar$-per-family/person spent.?

  49. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:07 am

    “I think mandatory detention of children is state sponsored child abuse, labor and liberal are in competition to see who can be the most cruel”

    It was the ALP/Greens and the people who voted for them who locked all these people up.

    The whole detention center network and that includes everything (ie visa overstayers) only cost $140m/year before the ALP won office. We have wasted billions of dollars because Labor abolished the Pacific Solution

    “go fcuk`ya self kneel “

    My conscience is clear but you have destroyed the lives of 10’s of thousands of people who we would have taken from UNHCR camps but for ALP/Greens

  50. September 2, 2014 7:40 am

    “did he offer the interviewer anything but smartarse responses, refusal of accountability and refusal to give proper answers?”

    I couldn’t bring myself to watch it.

    I resorted to watching commercial television instead.

  51. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 8:23 am

    It went from 4.3% to 5.8%.

    why does nil constantly refuse to acknowledge the GFC?

    I resorted to watching commercial television instead.

    I’m not sure that differs much from the rancid crap the abc spews forth these days anyway

    7.30 is barely indistinguishable from tt these days.

  52. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 8:24 am

    My conscience is clear

    I think you meant “missing”.

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 9:50 am

    Like I said i don’t recall you saying too much when Rugg/Gillard/Greens were in govt and locking all these people up.

    Well I do … KL, and I, have always advocated onshore processing …

    Just ’cause you don’t recall, don’t make it so … like most of your anecdotal fkn ramblings …

    7.30 is barely indistinguishable from tt these days.

    You mean “sponsored” stories, TR?

    Like Morriscum last night and his offsider Uhlmann … was like an amateur Clarke and Dawes … aunt sally questions (I actually predicted three and the responses – to the glare of The Minister) … Morriscum didn’t even have to think about the answers just maintained the rhythm of saying words with no real meaning … (stuff we already know) …

    So … Morriscum says nothing when he refuses to speak and says nothing when he becomes “voluble” … Border Protection Minister? … where’s the Foreign Minister or Defence Minister? Or whatshisname? The Shit Happens Fuckwit® ?

  54. September 2, 2014 9:52 am

    LOL @ Tom R 😆

  55. September 2, 2014 9:54 am
  56. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:10 am

    “…….KL, and I, have always advocated onshore processing … “”

    Yep and its cheaper

    But that only encourages rickety old boat trips and more and more drownings.

    You cant have one without the other

  57. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:14 am

    “7.30 is barely indistinguishable from tt these days.”

    In major capital cities we wouldn’t know………………………as TT is only shown in Adelaide and Perth these days…………………….

    Do keep up TomR

  58. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 10:20 am

    as TT is only shown in Adelaide and Perth these days

    pedant alert

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2014 11:12 am

    What did he say yesterday?

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2014 11:20 am

    The submission names:
    Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott
    Minister for Immigration and Border protection Scott Morrison
    Assistant Minister for Immigration and Border Protection Michaela Cash
    Minister for Foreign Affairs Julie Bishop
    Former Chief of the Defence Force General David Hurley
    Commander of Operation Sovereign Borders Lieutenant General Angus Campbell

    See more at: http://nofibs.com.au/2014/08/31/morrison-and-abbott-named-in-international-criminal-court-submission-on-refugees-jansant-reports/#sthash.S4sODmiB.OivL9Wzc.dpuf

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 11:23 am

    pedant alert

    Chuckle … some posters have a pedantic but predictable pattern, TR … 🙂

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I read this early this morning – how ironic … written in 1993 … referenced to post VN war … and an upcoming rescue mission of POWs …

    “You sure it’s worth it?”

    That was a question with meaning so deep that few would have understood it. Irvin had done two combat tours, and though Kelly hadn’t seen his official “salad bar” of decorations, he was clearly a man who had circled the block many times.

    Now Irvin was watching what might well be the destruction of his Marine Corps. Men were dying for hills that were given back as soon as they were taken and the casualties cleared, then to return in six months to repeat the exercise.

    There was just something in the professional soldier that hated repetition. Although training was just that–they had “assaulted” the site numerous times–the reality of war was supposed to be one battle for one place. In that way a man could tell what progress was. Before looking forward to a new objective, you could look back to see how far you had come and measure your chance for success by what you had learned before.

    But the third time you watched men die for the same piece of ground, then you knew. You just knew how things were going to end.Their country was still sending men to that place, asking them to risk their lives for dirt already watered in American blood.

    The truth was that Irvin would not have voluntarily gone back for a third combat tour. It wasn’t a question of courage or dedication or love of country. It was that he knew his life was too valuable to be risked for nothing.

    Sworn to defend his country, he had a right to ask for something in return–a real mission to fight for, not an abstraction, something real. And yet Irvin felt guilt, felt that he had broken faith, had betrayed the motto of The Corps, Semper Fidelis: Always Faithful.

    The guilt had compelled him to volunteer for one last mission despite his doubts and questions. Like a man whose beloved wife has slept with another man, Irvin could not stop loving, could not stop caring, and he would accept to himself the guilt unacknowledged by those who had earned it.

    Tom Clancy – “Without Remorse” …

    Maybe we should bring back National Service … this is the government to do it!

  62. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 11:25 am

    Tom Clancy – “Without Remorse” …

    Maybe we should bring back National Service … this is the government to do it!

  63. September 2, 2014 12:22 pm
  64. Meta permalink
    September 2, 2014 3:37 pm

    (If designated conflict zones typically involve high levels of internally and externally displaced, vulnerable, exploited, traumatised men, women, and children (circa 80% women and children), then one might anticipate a humanitarian mission to involve an especial emphasis on their welfares and healths, and fortification of (womens and childrens) refuges with much-enhanced civilian aid afforded to directly and indirectly affected locales. That notion probably would be especially true of, and for, womens refuges enabled to provide rape-alleviation and follow-up health services, among more general liveability services, if accounts coming out of the region are true. Is any of that sort of investment into build-up of ‘collateral’ capacity occurring? I can’t tell from Uhlmann’s casus belli interview of Morrison, or from actions being vaguely described to-date.)

  65. egg permalink
    September 2, 2014 3:52 pm

    The lessons we have learnt from the Srebrenica and Rwanda genocides is that decisive action before calamity is better than wringing of hands belatedly.

  66. September 2, 2014 4:13 pm

    Reb that Cartoon is priceless 🙂

    Wars are poor chisels for carving out peaceful tomorrows.
    The Reverend Dr Martin Luther King

    So torn and saddened over Australia going back into Iraq. Cant help but feel its a slippery slope after Howard’s “captain call” WMD lie for oil and the Wheat board. I really wish this could be debated and detailed in the House of Reps to get it on the Hansard.

    I just don’t trust Abbott especially considering how he was elected, the surprises and his form so far. The prospect terrifies me. I am more concerned about what is Fact and what is propaganda. With his approval turnaround 20 points and him @-19 he’s trying to do a Howard and capitalise on a war to save his political skin…he has proved by his action, he is capable of anything.

    Reading the Wiki war logs a few years ago and comparing them to the MSM media reporting freaked me out somewhat. It had a profound and resounding effect on my political perspective. I guess that is the price you pay when seeking to be “informed” and balancing the data to form a considered opinion as a centrist.

    http://www.wikileaks.org/irq/

    Their is most certainly no winner in any war. This is a dark age.

  67. September 2, 2014 4:29 pm

    “he’s trying to do a Howard and capitalise on a war to save his political skin…”

    Yep.

    I actually think he’s worse than Howard…

    Howard at least had one or two intelligent people to advise him.

  68. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 4:32 pm

    No mention here of Putin’s nuclear (or is it nukealear) threat to the West (actually anybody I think).

    http://www.news.com.au/world/vladimir-putin-talks-nuclear-power-as-he-tells-the-west-to-back-off-over-ukraine/story-fndir2ev-1227044661262

    And I’ve noticed that people forget that Russia had a hand in the Syrian debacle too … its all going (look over there!) swimmingly for Putin, ain’t it!

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 4:34 pm

    “””Maybe we should bring back National Service … this is the government to do it!”””

    I should clarify this statement … SARC ALERT … for the slow of understanding around here …

  70. Meta permalink
    September 2, 2014 4:37 pm

    (And to reprise, Why aren’t we sending any military help to Ukraine …

    Dunno; maybe, it’s more demonstrative of sidekickness-to-Superpowerness to help beat up on the Greatest Threat To Civilization Evah in the Middle East than it is for NATO or ooh-we-just-(s)elected-a-Polish-President EU to confront directly a ‘might still be goin’ to the G20, still gabbin’ about independent statehood for Eastern Ukraine, still stealin’ march’ Putin’s Russia?)

  71. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 4:42 pm

    “he’s trying to do a Howard and capitalise on a war to save his political skin…”

    And Bill and Tanya are in full support

  72. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 4:48 pm

    “And I’ve noticed that people forget that Russia had a hand in the Syrian debacle too “”

    And it looks like they were backing a Winner.

    When you wander into the Middle East looking to back anyone you sorta need to hold your nose because of the rotting corpses left behind by your latest “friend”

  73. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2014 4:49 pm

    I suppose those Yazidis won’t be in need of refuges so much as graves if everyone just sits on their hands. Still their deaths will provide plenty of opportunity for ostentatious grieving from those who get their jollies seeming to care rather than actually doing something.

  74. Meta permalink
    September 2, 2014 4:55 pm

    (And Bill and Tanya are in full support

    Yep; and that’s why we’re not returning to Iraq to secure doubleplus-good liberal pluralistic democracy; not everyone is ready for fuller parliamentary transparency and accountability, like backward Western nations which held enquiries and thence elected to limit what an executive government might or might not do on its own account and say so in the aftermath of a sexed-up 2003 Iraq invasion; undoubtedly bipartisan reluctance for such niceties as parliamentary debate and/or greater consultation with (sm)all parties is testament to Team Australia’s being the remaining shining light for essential freedom and operational matters.)

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 5:00 pm

    Still their deaths will provide plenty of opportunity for ostentatious grieving from those who get their jollies seeming to care rather than actually doing something.

    While you sit and snipe er type …

    You suggest a cavalry charge or sumfin’, anyfing I suppose?

    WWIII just what we need …

    Ironic date too …

  76. September 2, 2014 5:10 pm

    I actually think he’s worse than Howard…

    Abbott and this lot make Howard look like he came from the socialist left and Billy McMahon a genius..

    As bad as Howard was at least he made an attempt to govern for all Australians as facile and thinly veld as that may have been. Abbott is completely ideologically incapable of compromise due to his combatant and divisive nature.

    He cannot be bipartisan unless it it for strategic political advantage. Abbott has not risen nor grown with the job, i fact his megalomania has seen him get far worse, surprising his supporters to alienation and abandonment in the realisation of a bad mistake.

    History will not be kind to Abbott and his clan who in before and 12 months into his government has brought great shame to Australia and sullied highest office in our land with vindictive ideology.

    Muslims view jihad extremists much like Christians view the Westbro church, Catch a Fire, Rise Up Australia or Tony Abbott.

    Cue… Squeal to dig up the “under Labor” meme and avoid my questions. 🙄

    Something is glaringly telling when even the worst imbecilic rusted on win-nut troll just cant muster up the Gall to stick up for this unworthy, immoral, lying charlatan, neocon, god bothering extremist….masquerading as a conservative.

  77. September 2, 2014 5:12 pm

    Hey Splatter I wonder if he is just trying to knock the boats off at the source ?

  78. Walrus permalink
    September 2, 2014 5:18 pm

    “……….his government has brought great shame to Australia “”

    Really…………………………..??????????????????????

    Like when ?

  79. egg permalink
    September 2, 2014 5:33 pm

    ‘Abbott is completely ideologically incapable of compromise due to his combatant and divisive nature.’

    Link?

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:06 pm

    Link?

    Try thumping walls … female pollies, poor, frail, unemployed, young, families and now superannuation (the latter a Liberal trait) …

    Link? The man is no better than Putin … although Putin attacks non-Russians …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Although not a member, Australia’s engagement with NATO has grown steadily in recent years.

    jesus fkn christ! NATO was formed in 1949 … recent fkn years … how slow to learn …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/aust-set-to-boost-ties-with-nato/story-e6frfku9-1227045258011

    The NATO summit will focus on Afghanistan and involvement there beyond the end of this year when the ISAF mission expires.
    Also on the agenda will be Syria, Iraq and Russia’s behaviour in eastern Ukraine.
    Ms Bishop said she discussed a range of security matters with US secretary of state John Kerry earlier on Tuesday.

    Poor old Rudd … he must be spewin’ … LOL!

  81. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:08 pm

    “Muslims view jihad extremists much like Christians view the Westbro church, Catch a Fire, Rise Up Australia or Tony Abbott.”

    Your analogy fails on all levels. It is just another smarmy ignorant motherhood statement.

    Surely you are not trying to divide the Mulim community. They don’t like that. As in: “We also reject government attempts to divide the Muslim community into ‘radicals’ and ‘moderates’ and to use the community for its agenda.”

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:14 pm

    “We also reject government attempts to divide the Muslim community into ‘radicals’ and ‘moderates’ and to use the community for its agenda.”

    Yep, I was VERY disappointed with that stupid response … but I’m getting used to it from ANY organised religious group … and being BIG doesn’t reduce the stupidity either …

  83. egg permalink
    September 2, 2014 6:26 pm

    Last year Abbott said Gillard was divisive on gender, class and race and the other day Malcolm Fraser called Abbott divisive with his Team Australia thingy. Its hard being inclusive, I guess.

  84. September 2, 2014 6:35 pm

    ” It is just another smarmy ignorant motherhood statement.”

    Yeah, so completely unlike anything Squeal or egg ever post around these parts…

    *rolls eyes*

  85. September 2, 2014 6:48 pm

    “Is Tony Abbott a moderate conservative?
    He is just another politician who would sell his arse for power.”

    Kudos

  86. September 2, 2014 6:51 pm

    “Its a dodgy civil war which the West created and brinkmanship has the potential to get out of hand.”

    Supposedly your dissonant cognition has skimmed over what happened in 2003? It fits all of your poorly chosen words…

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 7:06 pm

    “Its a dodgy civil war which the West created and brinkmanship has the potential to get out of hand.”

    WTF said that? Let me guess …

  88. Meta permalink
    September 2, 2014 7:44 pm

    (Another random reprise, possibly in aid of distinguishing the literally-Pacific South Americans of today from the bloodthirsty, death-cultish, Mediterranean Middle-Easterners who ‘we’ must now expurgate as pure evil, having moved on from yestermonth’s clinical consultations and empirical exhortations about timely treatment of a diagnosed cancer…

    The USA is getting 30,000 economic immigrants/month from Mexico and Central America.

    Yes, thank the pre-Columbian deities, 21st Century Capitalist animal spirits, and forward-base-planners that also-contiguous South America isn’t too destabilised (we wouldn’t want the USA’s actual territories, and economy, overrun by too many more economic refugee-migrants, and certainly none with leftist or otherwise antithetical tendencies or sympathies); and that there’s a strong, working partnership with our Colombian friends to retard transnational crime, and hard and soft Bolivarianism, before it spans the thin, Nicaraguan, overland gap, these days.)

  89. September 2, 2014 8:16 pm

    yup…

    #excellentblankfillingforthedeliberatelymonocular

  90. September 2, 2014 8:33 pm

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/making-tony-abbott-political-animal-admin-7881

    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/july/1372600800/waleed-aly/inside-tony-abbotts-mind

    I see lots of outrage but not much sticking up for Abbott… I’m sorry to tweak your conscious, we all have our “too much too soon and wake up wondering what the fuck happened moment” ..Its ok you can admit it.. H’e a fuckwit and you voted for him….

    It seems to send Squeal into a tailspin back to past.. bu its ok you can punish him at the ballot box for his dishonesty.

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2014 8:53 pm

    Hawks turn dovish on upcoming Iraq invasion:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/09/02/iraq-roundup/

    …Andrew Bacevich, a professor of international relations at Boston University, wrote in conservative magazine The Spectator that the best course of action for the West is “simply to butt out”:

    “The United States and its European allies do not possess the wit nor the will nor the might to fix whatever it is that ails much of the Islamic world. This is the principal lesson that the long Iraq war has to teach,” Bacevich wrote.

    Bacevich retired with the rank of colonel from the United States Army before gaining a PhD in American Diplomatic History from Princeton, and was a vocal critic of the Iraq War. His son, also an army officer, died fighting in Iraq in 2007…

    …Age columnist and professor of strategic studies at ANU Hugh White warns the West must be willing to use massive resources if it wants to change the region’s political order:

    “As we saw in Libya, campaigns of air strikes can affect what happens on the battlefield, but they confer no control over the political consequences of victory or defeat. Only troops on the ground can do that, and only in immense numbers. So only those willing to commit huge ground forces have any hope of being able to shape the outcome. Anyone else would be better staying away.”..

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 2, 2014 9:07 pm

    Rundle: the real target in Iraq intervention is not IS, but Iran

    [behind the crikey firewall]

    …In the United States the possibility of an intervention is being minimised, since it is deeply embarrassing to President Barack Obama, and the UK remains resolutely opposed to any sort of military adventures.

    In Australia, of course, it has come as a godsend to Tony Abbott, who has played up the ruthlessness of the Islamic State (also called ISIS) in a manner that IS would find deeply gratifying…

    …Whatever compelling moral argument there might be — emphasis on the might — for a very limited assistance/intervention in the north, dressing it up as a cosmic battle is the least helpful thing that anyone can do. The likely effect of this latest move will be the further destabilisation of non-Kurdish Iraq — and the stability of Iraqi Kurdistan itself is not a given. By the time any of that happens Tony Abbott will have moved on, just as he moved on from MH17 and from MH370, from 18C and “Team Australia”. None of it appears to be convincing an electorate with a bad case of buyer’s remorse, but it is perhaps putting a floor under the fall…

  93. Tom R permalink
    September 2, 2014 9:39 pm

    It’s true, ISIS are despicable, and, the course we are taking is possibly(?) the correct one. Personally, I feel much better having Obama there making the calls.

    The problem with tabot is he has been hankering for a war from the get go, and not necessarily ISIS, he was very keen to ramp things up against Russia, he just wants one too badly. Which is not a comforting feeling when unpredictable situations like this arise. His first response to ANYTHING is aggresion, plain and simple. And it’s not like we didn’t see it coming.

    http://artblart.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/leunig-war-2014.jpg?w=655&h=474

    Be careful of what you wish for.

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    September 2, 2014 9:51 pm

    …Whatever compelling moral argument there might be — emphasis on the might — for a very limited assistance/intervention in the north, dressing it up as a cosmic battle is the least helpful thing that anyone can do.

    Always nice to know I’m not alone!

    Just watched “The War That Changed Us” ABC … Abbott and ALL Aussies should watch it … what Abbott is doing is taking us back to 1914 and we all know that was a war with no real meaning for ordinary people …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Be careful of what you wish for.

    Sorry, mate, – be careful of what Abbott wises for – at our expense … in one year his government has put us back a decade and he’s heading for a century right now …

  95. September 2, 2014 10:15 pm

    TB AO… as I stated I have a very very bad feeling about this.

    Abbott knows no boundaries and is incapable of moderate behaviour, especially for political advantage. That is not rhetoric that is displayed by his actions.

    All this sabre and cage rattling may have the most dire and deadly domestic consequences.

    All the ducks are lined up and there is no floor, we have along way to go to hit the bottom, trust me on this.

    All surprises and exactly the man we knew he was all along not the type of person he said he wasn’t when the gave him a coat of shellac and a makeover…. the topcoat has worn off and the real Tony is shining through like n a shingle.

    Scaremongering negativity or prophecy?

  96. egg permalink
    September 13, 2014 9:02 pm

    ‘NEW US airstrikes on Syria will restore peace in the region with no further complications, rubble or death.

    ‘Precision bombing of ISIS targets is expected to bring democracy, rights for women and a thriving free-market economy to the region by the end of the month.

    ‘President Obama has requested non-terrorists in the region to remove themselves to a place of safety for the next fortnight.

    ‘He continued: “There’s only one tried-and-tested way to get rid of radicals, and that’s bombing them from 30,000ft in the air.

    “We’ve got plenty of experience in this area, trust us. You don’t go to war in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iraq, or Iraq without learning a few things.

    “Best of all, our work comes with the USA’s famous five-year guarantee.

    “In the unlikely event that your region descends almost immediately into a hellhole of recrimination and infighting, we’ll get back to you with some more bombs as soon as we can.”

    The Daily Mash

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