Tony Abbott ramps up rhetoric against “Pure Evil” Islamic State Militants
Tony Abbott says “extreme force” is appropriate to thwart the “pure evil” Islamic State militants, warning “dire and dreadful measures” may be needed.
The Prime Minister today escalated his rhetoric against the jihadist movement, comparing them to the Nazi and communist tyrants of last century.
Mr Abbott has ruled out sending combat troops to Iraq but left open the possibility of air strikes by RAAF jets as part of a US-led assault against targets in northern Iraq.
Mr Abbott also denied reports a C-130 Hercules transport aircraft was fired upon by militants during a humanitarian airlift to the Iraqi town of Amerli at the weekend.
Amerli is 200km south of the Kurdish capital of Erbil, where an Australian C-17 transport plane is expected to soon begin delivering weapons to Kurdish fighters.
Mr Abbott, asked how US-led forces could kill the Islamic State’s urban leadership without harming civilians, told The Gutter Trash:
“These are dire and dreadful things that we are discussing but sadly sometimes dire and dreadful measures are necessary in response to the pure evil that we are now seeing across a large swath of the Middle East thanks to this hideous movement.
“The difficulty here is these people do exult in death; they absolutely revel in killing. We’ve seen in the century just gone the most unspeakable things happen but the atrocities that were committed by the Nazis, by the communists and others, they were ashamed of them — they tried to cover them up.
“This mob, by contrast, as soon as they’ve done something gruesome and ghastly and unspeakable, they’re advertising it on the internet for all to see.
“That makes them, in my mind, nothing but a death cult. And that’s why I think it’s quite proper to respond with extreme force against people like this.”
theguttertrash.com 
On this issue Tony Abbott is right on the money
Yes he’s on the money and only the greens are outside groupthink on this.
“This mob, by contrast, as soon as they’ve done something gruesome and ghastly and unspeakable, they’re advertising it on the internet for all to see.
So if we started beaming in Saudi Arabia’s beheadings, stonings, mutilations and hangings we’d drop a few bombs on them too?
What fkn hypocrisy … politics at its worst …
Help the Kurds, the Iraqis by all means … when Iran, Saudi, Jordan, Turkey, Yemen, United Emirates, Oman and Egypt all front up … do you think there might be a reason they are all very quiet?
Even Israel is keeping schtum …
“”Help the Kurds, the Iraqis by all means … “”
The ME is a most unfortunate place but you cannot be happy to see innocents being slaughtered
“The difficulty here is these people do exult in death; they absolutely revel in killing.
So I’m going to enable them and keep referring to them as ‘a death cult’ 😯
btw, I notice that “baddies v baddies” is now a “witches brew of complexity”
The Goodies appreciate the inclusion at this late date.
‘do you think there might be a reason they are all very quiet?’
Its all happening behind closed doors.
There is no reason for IS to hide their atrocities. The Koran tells them that the purpose of gruesome violence is to strike dread into the hearts of unbelievers.
It certainly is a violent book
(Yep; sadly, and with much reluctance, we must put death cultists on the kill list, again; and we have the death-delivery devices ready to do it.).
The infidels have excellent ‘death-delivery devices’ in the form of drones, better than Hornets in a desert environment.
I do hope they just napalm the lot of them along with their now fucked up kiddies
He certainly is… on Haliburton, McDonald Douglas and all those other corporate Piranhas money.
Tony Abbott cutting the boats off at the head…
“Tony Abbott cutting the boats off at the head…”
You seem to have cut your own head off a long ago, Bed Pann.
It is the progressives, those morally malignant morons who want nothing to be done, who seemingly want another Rwanda and who criticise Abbott at every turn. They are the ones ensuring there will be no more refugees because they will all be dead.
They would be the Greens. Christine Milne is just Dracula with a face lift.
The reason there is only vitriol for Abbott and no serious consideration of his attempts to aid the victims of this genocide is the political opportunism. In this gruesome moral posturing, this prancing on the graves of innocents, we see clearly the moral vacuum that is the modern “progressive”. No surprise here. It was Sarah Hansen-Dungheap who shrugged at the drownings of a thousand people – “tragedies happen” she said. Progressive moral cretinism at its finest.
I agree with Splatter on the green moral vacuum.
No I am just completely unconvinced by Abbott based on his actions and John Howards WMD lies, especially after reading the WIki war diaries on Iraq that were deeply disturbing as a telling tale of the consequence of having Energy Hungry Americans slaves to Arab oil.
What troubles me more is Abbott naively selling Uranium to India after heavy lobbying who is poised with nuclear capability on Pakistan border and not a signatory to the Non proliferation treaty…
Abbott was heavy on rhetorical posterizing, light on detail and very unconvincing last night.
Very Very unconvincing
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s4079649.htm
The ME is a most unfortunate place but you cannot be happy to see innocents being slaughtered
Oh, I’m overjoyed! WTF goes through your head, Wally?
I do hope they just napalm the lot of them along with their now fucked up kiddies
1. Napalm was “banned” years ago
2. What happened to your Christianity – y’know, the bit that goes … “suffer the little children etc … ”
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Progressive moral cretinism at its finest.
Whatever that is …
You’re still playing with your pen and keyboard … what are you going to do about it?
I agree with Reb you are a vacuous woman
“I am just completely unconvinced by Abbott based on his actions”
Neither am I. He is by turns hazy, confusing and simplistic in his reasoning.
There is a short-term issue regarding the ongoing genocide and whther we lift a finger to try to stop it. I think we should co-operate with other countries and do what we can. The fact that Abbott, in doing the right thing, sees politcal gain in it, is not a reason not to do it.
There is also a longer term issue about whether to alow IS to continue to exist and what, if any, action should be taken against it. That is a completely separate question about which reasonable people may disagree.
And TB I note that what I am NOT doing is to run interference for the genocidal maniacs with a view to hobbling action against them.
‘I agree with Reb you are a vacuous woman’
** chuckle **
‘There is also a longer term issue about whether to alow IS to continue to exist and what, if any, action should be taken against it.’
As they are gangsters and not freedom fighters, it should be possible to liberate Iraq and then join Syrian forces to give IS a taste of genocide.
Where it goes from there is uncertain.
And TB I note that what I am NOT doing is to run interference for the genocidal maniacs with a view to hobbling action against them.
Neither am I … but I know how easy it is for some to send other people to war and watch from the sidelines … and then forget about them when they come home broken … and no longer useful …
The ME has been a basket case for centuries … we just keep leaving bodies, blood and weapons there to no avail …
If a group of “radical militarists” suddenly decided to take over Australia and used civilian torture and murder to make their – point would you expect the Saudis or Iranians to turn up with troops and aircraft to stop it? Or Indonesians? Even the Yanks might do a double take …
Maybe we could form an Australian Middle East Brigade in the ADF recruiting all those military age Iraqi’s, Iranian’s and Afghani’s who arrived as refugee/asylum seekers …
But I wouldn’t send any of my family … would you?
I think it’s reasonable to differentiate between sending conscripts to Vietnam and a volunteers to the ME.
I think it’s reasonable to differentiate between sending conscripts to Vietnam and a volunteers to the ME.
BS …
Oh, I wasn’t referring to conscripts if you were replying to me on,sb’s behalf …
‘BS’?
Lazy reply TB. Conscripts have indicated zero, nil, 0.0% interest in joining the armed forces, or firing guns, or being involved in any form of hostility, or fighting, or defending.
People that volunteer to join the armed forces can’t argue that point. They sign up to go where the government sends them.
“but I know how easy it is “
And you know how many millions of lives were needlessly lost because troops were not sent in when Hitler crossed the Rhine in 1936.
“But I wouldn’t send any of my family … would you?”
My family doesn’t work like that. I am not some aging tyrant that sends them anywhere. If they want to join the army that is fine by me. My job is to support their right to choose their own lives, not make their decisions for them. It is much better that they make their own decisions even if I disagree with them.
“If a group of “radical militarists” suddenly decided to take over Australia and used civilian torture and murder to make their – point would you expect the Saudis or Iranians to turn up with troops and aircraft to stop it? Or Indonesians? Even the Yanks might do a double take …”
You really don’t get it, do you? Are you seriously suggesting that we base our decisions about intervening in genocides on what Iran would do?
More to the point, the larger question is whether it is in our interests to join with other countries to eliminate IS if the opportunity arises. That would depend on our view of the threat they pose to Australia. I think we can wait and see on that one for a little while. But if we would like the Yanks to support us in an emergency then we should expect to have to back them as part of our alliance with them (within reason).
Senator Whish-Wilson:“I think we need to find better words than ‘terrorist’ and ‘terrorism’ because, to me, this implies a very one-sided view of the world. Often our forces could be seen by Iraqi civilians as being terrorists.”
The good Senator should hack his own head off. Clearly it does not contain a brain.
”””promise of 2million jobs. Workforce drops 172,000”””
chalk-up another 400 or so jobs on the scrap-heap today,
coles supermarket is axing the back-office #cubicles.in.danger
‘That would depend on our view of the threat they pose to Australia. I think we can wait and see on that one for a little while.’
That would be the prudent course, a Syrian adventure has its limitations in this volatile environment. No real threat to Australia, but Abbott will take the opportunity to knock some sense into the young Belmore radicals.
(yes, l know, it is all gruesome) but,
has anybody else noticed how shrill mr-rabbit is over a couple of white-guys getting killed, but when `collateral-murder` was revealed (by-wikileaks) mr-rabbit didn`t get too worked-up when the reuters people(around-dozen) had the shit shot out of`em by teh-yanks(gleeful-audio) but l suppose, they were brown
but l suppose, ”’that`s coz”’ they were brown #teabags
People that volunteer to join the armed forces can’t argue that point. They sign up to go where the government sends them.
You forget that these are people … they will gladly go where they are sent … but over and over again … for what!
The IS is taunting the West … the Turks did it, the Japanese did it, the Chinese did it, the VC/NVA did it … the worst thing you can do is react to it … obviously Obama has been told that … but Abbott hasn’t – or has he?
What do you gain by depriving Australian families of their loved ones …
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The good Senator should hack his own head off. Clearly it does not contain a brain.
You seem to be quick to hack people’s heads off … no better that the IS!
Seems religious belief brings out the best in people when you disagree with them …
I think we can wait and see on that one for a little while.
That’s not what you’ve been writing … but what I’ve been saying …
I am not some aging tyrant that sends them anywhere. If they want to join the army that is fine by me. My job is to support their right to choose their own lives, not make their decisions for them.
But you are quite happy to make decisions for other young men and women – many of whom have already been in the ME for 12 years …
I am not some aging tyrant
And I’m not some ignorant prick … wasn’t it you that said “I want a serious discussion” … right wing mentality alright … as soon as an alternative argument crops up in come the insults …
BTW … my grandfathers both volunteered (one gassed in France), my parents volunteered (Mum – ATS – on AA during the Blitz – Dad – RN – on N & S Atlantic convoys), two aunts, six uncles, two brothers-in-law, and my son … and two uncles were conscripted …
Oh, and friend was recently made up to full colonel, another is a half colonel, another a captain (right through the ranks) and a bevy of NCO’s …
“chalk-up another 400 or so jobs on the scrap-heap today,”
Just wondering if you kept an account of jobs lost under Rudd/Gillard or have you suddenly developed an interest now the Coalition is in power?
Several hundred thousand people lost their jobs under Rudd/Gillard.
‘Sooner or later, jihadist-style terror and WMD are going to come together and the consequences could be horrendous.’
Noam Chomsky
cherry picking dipshit
””’kept an account of jobs lost””’suddenly developed an interest””’
yeah, always like to know as much as l can, (don`t care which `team` of fcukwits) for my own job-hunting
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””Several hundred thousand people lost their jobs””’
which is based on.? what.? who.? blot.?
Going to war – any war – is not a game …
TB
“which is based on.? what.? who.? blot.?”
Unemployment went from 4.3% to 5.8% under Rudd/Gillard. That is an increase of several hundred thousand unemployed people.
no, l don`t follow the dubiously measured, meaningless, `un/employment` numbers,
l follow the the job `destruction` numbers, as the 400 l mentioned above, is the `permanent-closing` and `off-shoring` of jobs NEVER TO RETURN
And what were the job destruction numbers under Rudd/Gillard?
‘For the first time last weekend, the United States and Iran joined forces. While the U.S. Air Force bombed Islamic State (ISIS) positions in an attempt to liberate the besieged Iraqi city of Amirli — where a Turkmen minority was trapped — Sunni fighters on the ground latched on to a Shiite militia supported by Iran, which together forged a lifeline into the city.’
Israel Hayom
TB- ”What do you gain by depriving Australian families of their loved ones …”
No, what I’m doing is pointing out that you’re wrong in not differentiating between sending conscripts and volunteers into conflict.
Volunteers are willing participants, because that’s essentially (part of) what they sign up for.
Conscripts have no choice, and didn’t sign up for anything.
Gee Squeal really adds to the discourse I declare Jihad on trolls…. derka derka derka
but l suppose, ”’that`s coz”’ they were brown #teabags
There is much humanitarian aid needed throughout the world, yet this govt. reduced foreign funding and hasn’t felt a need to go into other places [syria etc]
The five fallacies of our thinking on Iraq:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-02/brown-the-five-fallacies-of-our-thinking-on-iraq/5713044
…If Australia’s pressing national interest in the region is to prevent the slaughter of civilians, then we should have intervened in Syria when civilians were gassed and children struck with barrel bombs. We should also be intervening in Burma, where more than 250,000 people have reportedly been displaced by conflict this year. And if our concern is truly humanitarian, then we had better prepare to accept a lot of refugees from northern Iraq into Australia.
The reality is that our mission is to destroy IS as an organisation. That means killing its fighters, dissecting its financing and recruiting operations, and negotiating political power sharing for the disaffected Sunni Muslims giving life to the organisation.
None of that will be easy. But better for the Government to be upfront about what our national calculations on Iraq are, rather than seeking to change the narrative by sprinkling humanitarian dust over public statements…
some comments:
MarilynS:
02 Sep 2014 3:20:00pm
At last some sense. And as for humanitarian lies we are jailing refugees from Syria and Iraq and trying to force them to go home.
whohasthefish:
03 Sep 2014 1:14:51am
Not quite right MarilynS. Never mind those refugees in camps, we have opened up 4000 spots for Christian queue jumpers. Seems your refugee status depends on your religious beliefs. Christians don’t have to worry about jumping on boats, we will be sending taxi’s for them.
bren:
03 Sep 2014 1:16:58pm
But the war in Syria for example, christians and other religious minorities are being targeted for their religion. By both Sunni and Shite muslims, depending on which militia / govt force is in the neigbourhood. It makes sense to process them as refugees, not economic refugees, based on religion.
Alert moderator
‘ONE of the most influential leaders of Hamas has declared the group will renounce violence if Israel agrees to the formation of a Palestinian state. In an interview with The Australian in Gaza City, Hamas elder statesman Ahmed Yousef said the group was prepared to end the decades-old conflict in return for a state.’
Lyons / Oz
In an interview with Palestinian TV last week, Abbas said it should only take “half an hour or an hour” to delineate the borders of a Palestinian state, since the United States agreed they should be based on the 1967 borders.
“There’s either a political solution or there isn’t,” he said. “But going here and there, up and down, talking and not talking — it’s been 20 years and nothing has happened.”
Israel Hayom
Up until now the reason Hamas has been dragging the chain on Palestinian Statehood is because of the negative space remaining, which would automatically become part of Israel’s new legitimate State.
The problem is that the ‘1967 borders’ were only cease fire lines in the sand and what happens to Jerusalem, this holy of holy, is in the lap of the dogs.
Team America – Fuck Yeah!:
C’mon Tony save us all and suck our cock
Re Iraq
I’m not persuaded by the – ‘but we didn’t intervene there or there or there’ (name the brutal regime) argument.
Iraq is different because we have already intervened in their country, we promised them a better life, we left when it was ‘mission accomplished’, we left so many vulnerable.
I think there is a moral obligation in Iraq that may not exist elsewhere.
I think there is a moral obligation in Iraq that may not exist elsewhere.
I always remember the words of colin powell, “you break it, you own it”
We don’t seem to feel the moral obligation to take any AS from iran and iraq, they are left to go mad or die in our gulags.
““you break it, you own it””
I hope Obama is listening:
‘We don’t seem to feel the moral obligation to take any AS from iran and iraq’
no
ToM …
People that volunteer to join the armed forces can’t argue that point. They sign up to go where the government sends them.
Yes they can argue the point because they vote and they are – as you point out … people – but highly trained, highly specialised and a fkn expensive resource to develop (seein’ as you have an “economic” background) …
And Defence Force personnel can opt out of being ADF – they are very intelligent PEOPLE (with families) and give their services gladly to a genuine cause … but they can also figure out when that cause is spent … and that is what is happening now …
… imagine being deployed to the same shithole two or three times and seeing your mates blown up, shot up, lose legs, arms, genitals, heads … and then come home to what? being ordered to go back …. to achieve what?
Ever seen Abbott in a repat hospital? Or Rudd? Or Gillard? Or Shorten?* … Ever seen any of them in a primary school?
Why should soldiers and their families be exposed to politician’s dreams of grandeur because they’ve haven’t been to the REAL Anzac Day … with the Vets – some younger than my grandsons … telling it like it is …
Tell me the objective of going back to Iraq? Beheadings? Look at Saudi Arabia …
Tell me what I can tell the parents I know who lost their son in Afghanisatan* … because when we finally leave after 12 years the Taliban will just sweep in from Pakistan and we will be back to 2002 … as VN was a stupid waste of lives so would be Iraq III …
The countries in the ME have to step up … not the West … we have only ever made it worse … oil is not the issue anymore …
IS needs to be controlled by the locals … not Australians … or any country from the west …
If Aussies can join the IS … if your so swept up in the moment, why don’t you join the Iraqis or Kurds …
* Have you ever been to a Repat Hospital …
Can you use one of these …
Or these …
Or thrown a couple of these …
Or fired one of these …
Or one of these …
And strangely enough … one of these …
Can you operate one of these … and maintain one?
Or one of these …
Or these …
Amazing what you learn in the Defence Force … and the above just me in 1970 … (and much, much more)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Defence_Force
And you want to squander all that skill, knowledge, expertise and humanity on a civil war … those “volunteers” are there to protect you and yours … lose them in Iraq and you pick up a rifle to protect our shores … have you ever fired a weapon?
THIS WEEK IS LEGACY WEEK GIVE TO THE FAMILIES – ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN – WHO HAVE LOST HUSBANDS, FATHERS, SONS, BROTHERS, PARTNERS AND MATES …
Oh forgot!
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=TxGU7pv1xOCF6M&tbnid=_vNhBzDPqO8G1M&ved=0CAUQjBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fimg2.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20110119211128%2Fhomefront%2Fimages%2Fa%2Fa5%2FM16a1.gif&ei=VCwIVKiGJdC48gWwjoAQ&psig=AFQjCNFv_ab2sseVHrK24YloCDKlAJMayg&ust=1409908180707825
“Iraq is different because we have already intervened in their country, we promised them a better life, we left when it was ‘mission accomplished’, we left so many vulnerable.
I think there is a moral obligation in Iraq that may not exist elsewhere.”
Strongly agree.
Hopefully we consider our response with a bit of acumen this time.
Shoulda never gone there to interfere a decade or so ago. That shit was demonstrably confected.
But…yes, we (the Royal We…I was never a signatory to the stupidity & ill-advised superiority-complex invasion) should have never gone in & broken all of the toothpicks supporting the lattice in the first instance.
I can only imagine how much we’d all appreciate a country in the Northern Hemisphere coming down here, invited by a minority, to
invadehelp us to become more like them.‘AS the Greens urged Australians to stop labelling the Islamic State militants “terrorists”, Barack Obama and David Cameron were on the other side of the world calling for international solidarity to counter their “brutal and poisonous extremism”.
‘The US President and British Prime Minister are using the NATO meeting in Wales this week to build a broad coalition of nations to confront the jihadist group’s murderous rampage through northern Iraq — “not least”, they say, “because a world of greater freedom is a fundamental part of how we keep our people safe”.
Owens / Oz
“I can only imagine how much we’d all appreciate a country in the Northern Hemisphere coming down here, ………..”
Good Dog I hope not.
Ever noticed how the overwhelming number of wars in this World eminate from the Northern Hemisphere.
Even the ones in southern Africa usually have a taste of Coq au Vin to them or Paella.
Not many smell of Fish n Chips
Not many smell of Fish n Chips
More stink of vodka these days Wally … and French Fries and Hamburger has been around for over a century now too …
“Can you use one of these … ”
That’s interesting…………………………….I never realised you were in the Army
I thought you’d be surprised, Wally … and I forgot these …
And I drove the last of these up the Brisbane River …
Knew you’d be interested … 🙂