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Christopher Pyne in Secret Late Night Alcohol-Fuelled Rendevous with Gay Sex Harrassment Accuser!

September 8, 2014

  • Christopher Pyne admits lurid late night drinking session with gay sex accuser!
  • Pyne asked for Ashby’s phone number!
  • It’s all a disgusting sordid mess!

***A startling new Gutter Trash Special Sex Exclusive Investigation Probe!***

Stunning new reports reveal that Coalition Frontbencher Christopher Pyne spent almost two hours drinking and “shooting the breeze” with James Ashby in a late night alcohol- fuelled drinking session.

The flamboyant Manager for Opposition Business has long faced speculation over his sexual orientation and has been the subject of rumours that he enrolled in voice-coaching lessons in a desperate effort to “butch up” a bit.

The Gutter Trash can reveal that just four weeks before openly gay Mr Ashby launched a civil case against his boss Peter Slipper alleging sexual harrasment, Mr Pyne and Mr Ashby met late on the evening of March 19 and enjoyed drinks together for some two hours in Mr Slipper’s office.

When Mr Slipper returned to his office, Mr Pyne promptly left.

Our sources confirm that Mr Pyne rang back later the same evening to request Mr Ashby’s mobile phone number.

Mr Pyne confirms the meeting took place but says he can “not remember” asking for Mr Ashby’s mobile number.

“I don’t remember ever having asked for Mr Ashby’s number,” he said.

“I have met Mr Ashby on three occasions, and I have never had any need to phone him.”

He might not have the “need,” but perhaps he has the “desire.”

Nevertheless, Mr Pyne continues to deny he had any prior knowledge of the claims Mr Ashby made in the Federal Court documents or that he had ever had a discussion with the staffer over his concerns about Mr Slipper.

A source close to Mr Slipper’s office told the National Times that, during the evening of March 19, Mr Ashby revealed personal details to Mr Pyne, a claim Mr Pyne strenuously denies.

“I have nothing to hide,” Mr Pyne said. “I was simply passing the time of day. We had a beer and a political discussion.”

Mr Pyne said that it was not unusual for him to socialise with Mr Slipper’s staff in the Speaker’s absence.

Mr Pyne told The Gutter Trash that the first knowledge he had of Mr Ashby’s Federal Court action was when he read about it in the News Ltd press the previous Saturday.

Mr Pyne repeated he had never discussed with the staffer the allegations of the misuse of Cabcharge dockets, nor the sexual harassment claims made in the Federal Court civil case.

Asked if there was evidence to suggest Mr Ashby had received help from the Coalition in preparing his Federal Court claim, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott replied:

“Not that I’m aware of.”

 

 

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  1. September 8, 2014 9:55 am

    This post is actually two and half years old but it’s still current….!

  2. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:06 am

    Especially after last night’s revelations and Brough’s poor showing – lying, sleazy, slime bag that he is …

    … in fact all of them, Slipper, Ashby, Pyne, Brough, and now Wyatt … and especially “I know nussing” Abbott …

    … as if Pyne doesn’t talk to the Parliamentary Leader of the Liberal Party …

    … and who exactly manipulated Utegate to bring Turnbull down I wonder …

    http://www.9news.com.au/National/2014/09/07/22/17/Slipper-staffer-says-Pyne-offered-him-job

    I can’t help thinking Ashby was promised something by Brough and Pyne and it didn’t come off … this is revenge …

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:07 am

    This post is actually two and half years old but it’s still current….!

    sreb, never admit to lazy journalism … no one else does … (ed.)

  4. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:21 am

    Ashby……….Ashby……………..Ashby………………………No one cares anymore about Slipper/Ashby/Pyne.

    People have moved on and its just a bit too complicated for ordinary voters to bother with.

    If there was a bit of gay sex in last nights revelations then it might live as a story for a bit of a while.

    But a “he said this” and “he denied this” is just plain boring

  5. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:38 am

    Ashby may have had a case for sexual harassment, it’s difficult to tell when we did not hear of the texts he made and collusion he had with his female colleague about jobs. In the previous court case it looked like he entrapped [a very willing] slipper. We won’t know now as ashby dropped his case and none of it can be really tested.

    I do think he was chewed up by the abbott mob in their quest for power. The inducements of job offers and assistance were reneged upon later [abbott learned a lesson from the hanson jailing where it was shown that he signed a personal guarantee of money]

    They used ashby for a political assassination and once the damage was done they dumped him and refused to honour their guarantees. Pretty mercenary really, the only thing they didn’t do was have him killed off. Now ashby seems to be looking for a pay out or revenge, he’ll cause some problems if he can, nothing kills a govt like scandal, abbott destroyed gillard with it.

    will there be a quiet offer from someone that has no connection to the libs, or will the libs try to tough it out?

  6. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:49 am

    ,”” or will the libs try to tough it out?””

    It will just die its own death.

    More interesting headlinse due this week what with ISIS and possible RAAF airstrike involvement plus Gillard”s appearance before the Royal Commission.

    Events will quickly overtake this

  7. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:55 am

    brough should be investigated by the AFP, but they seem to be in collusion with the libs in any misuse and abuse of the legal system.

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:57 am

    Gillard did a grubby deal with a sleazy Lib turncoat

    The Libs went after him

    That’s really amazing

    Can we discuss Mal Coulson too?

  9. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 11:07 am

    More interesting headlinse due this week what with ISIS and possible RAAF airstrike involvement plus Gillard”s appearance before the Royal Commission.

    And ICAC?

  10. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2014 11:21 am

    “Absolute shocker! Big donor asks Peta Credlin to influence Abbott re Carbon Tax”

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee……………Chris Murphy is perceptive.

    Who would have thought that a Liberal Donor was the one that got Tony Abbott to change his mind on the Carbon Tax

    I must have missed where he pledged full support for it

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2014 11:52 am

    The Prime Minister said he watched last night’s program and saw what he thought was a “decent man who had been put into an impossible position”.

    “I had a lot of sympathy for him,” he said.

    Mr Abbott insisted the “sordid” and “squalid” chapter of politics is “over”.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/former-peter-slipper-staffer-james-ashby-says-christopher-pyne-offered-him-job-and-lawyer-amid-sexual-harassment-allegations/story-fncynjr2-1227050812692

    Are these people thick or what? Over? Just because he says so … ?

    If there was a bit of gay sex in last nights revelations then it might live as a story for a bit of a while.

    Nice try … but that photo (and text) of Brough that KL, posted says it all … these bastards conspired and colluded to bring the Gillard government down … the “gay sex” is a red herring and nonsense … an IR issue (sexual harassment) and five Liberal politicians didn’t suggest he seek advice from the Fed Gov. Staffer’s HR Dept …

    Just how ignorant do you think people are, Wally ….

  12. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2014 11:56 am

    “”Just how ignorant do you think people are.””

    I didn’t say they are ignorant

    Just that no one except the Beltway actually gives too much of a rats arse about the entire sordid episode.

  13. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:00 pm

  14. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:04 pm

    ‘conspired and colluded to bring the Gillard government down …

    That’s an interesting perspective.

    The alternative one that is equally legitimate is that Gillard conspired to take or retain government that she was not entitled to.

    She only did the deal with the proven sleaze Slipper after she could no longer rely on the support of the independent Wilkie, who she had lied to in order to win government.

    I think Gillard’s actions were outrageous and duplicitous.

  15. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:12 pm

  16. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:13 pm

    oops sorry, don’t know how that scribd transcript got in there, was meant to be a link to it!

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:21 pm

    The alternative one that is equally legitimate is that Gillard conspired to take or retain government that she was not entitled to.
    She only did the deal with the proven sleaze Slipper after she could no longer rely on the support of the independent Wilkie, who she had lied to in order to win government.

    There was nothing illegitimate or even politically unusual about her actions at all, they do it all the time. Abbott was incensed that she outsmarted his manouvres to bring her government.

    If you are saying that you would also have to say that deals between govt, other parties, independents and crossbenchers are all conspiracies, immoral and a deceit upon the public as well as the parliament.

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:24 pm

    *Abbott was incensed that she outsmarted his manouvres to bring her government down*

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:30 pm

    Nothing illegitimate???

    That’s crap.

    Gillard –
    • Made a written agreement with Wilkie, to deliver on the policy that he sincerely requested
    • She walked away from the WRITTEN AGREEMENT just as soon as it became politically difficult for her
    • Rather than put up with the political consequences of this dishonesty, Gillard made a deal to oust her own Speaker, and install Slipper, a known dubious character, to the highest position in the parliament

    This annoyed the Liberals, who sought to get square… what a surprise!

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:31 pm

    Bolding all wrong!
    ————–
    Nothing illegitimate???
    That’s crap.
    Gillard –
    • Made a written agreement with Wilkie, to deliver on the policy that he sincerely requested
    • She walked away from the WRITTEN AGREEMENT just as soon as it became politically difficult for her
    • Rather than put up with the political consequences of this dishonesty, Gillard made a deal to oust her own Speaker, and install Slipper, a known dubious character, to the highest position in the parliament
    This annoyed the Liberals, who sought to get square… what a surprise!

  21. September 8, 2014 12:40 pm

    Don’t want to say I told you so but..you know… more twists than the putty road. This tangled web has all the hallmarks of a great film

    Treacherous plot
    Twists and turns
    Covert meetings
    Political intrigue
    Trying to downfall a government
    Old married gay torry pervert attempting to seduce young gay man
    Gay pollies in the closet
    Lies and Denial
    courtroom drama
    collusion
    dirty deals
    Tell all reveal… wow

    Pyne and Abbott has misled parliament they must fall…

  22. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:45 pm

    It’s called politics tomM, it’s what they do, all of them.It’s not an honourable profession of honourable people no matter how much they give themselves honourable titles and demand respect for office. It is high stakes, winner take all and nothing was higher than that minority govt. something that gillards critics like you [and abbott] have never had to deal with. A stable minority govt situation has the opportunity to govern with dignity and require no dirty deals [although abbott seems incapable of that].
    The pollies give themselves immunity and protection under parliamentary privilege for a reason, They make themselves unaccountable and immune from any prosecution of their actions.

  23. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 12:54 pm

    I am sure that abbott would have done exactly the same to stay in office [perhaps even more] Actually, he has done more just to get into office, if we go by all the dirty, nasty stuff he’s been involved in.
    Abbott is also the reason that the parliament was in such disarray, he was the chief bombthrower remember? He was prepared to destroy all usual parliamentary procedures and protocols to get himself the top job.

  24. September 8, 2014 1:10 pm
  25. September 8, 2014 1:11 pm
  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2014 1:19 pm

    The only thing i get out of this is that lefties get excited when they think they have something on a Coalition politician.

    Why did Gillard make Slipper speaker? By the way Slipper did appear to do a good job. Even sleazy Liberal Party politicians have some talent.

    He said she said= who cares.

  27. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 1:29 pm

  28. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 1:35 pm

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 1:50 pm

    I don’t think this is ‘just politics’

    Gillard-
    *Offered Slipper a personal & financial inducement/bribe in exchange for his vote
    *Offered to advance the policy of Wilkie (which was in the public interest) in exchange for his political support
    *Disowned the agreement when it became politically difficult
    *Rolled a reasonably respected Speaker so she could install the sleaze she bribed

    I don’t think there’s much credibility with those that now blame the Liberals for their ‘get square’ tactics.

  30. September 8, 2014 2:18 pm

    Tom that is ridiculous. Firstly Slipper defected and how is the speakers job a bribe? You are actually implying that holding the speakers position is a graft?

    Gillard said all bets are off when the sleazy Torry liberal prick (personally endorsed by Abbott who attended his wedding) was found to be the grub he is.

    This whole sordid affair just goes to prove what the electorate is now realising in spadeds. this government is corrupt, untrustworthy and no where near as smart as they think, operating way above their capacity of incompetence. And they assert they are Adults in charge?, Fuck me that make that statement a ridiculous example of hollow rhetoric and clearly why they are fast becoming held in contemptuous loathing which they duly deserve by their own actions….

    The only thing i get out of this is that lefties get excited when they think they have something on a Coalition politician.

    Rusted on imbecile

    Why did Gillard make Slipper speaker? By the way Slipper did appear to do a good job.

    Seriously? What a Moron go back to your shed with that blow up child sex toy fuckwit.

    Even sleazy Liberal Party politicians have some talent.
    He said she said= who cares.

    You’d know you moral devoid, lying, contemptuous weirdo.

    This is from a ass hat that says that people who voted labor are responsible for deaths in custody on Moron sons watch?

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 2:36 pm

    Ricky – when someone is offered a great job, with more money, more perks, higher superannuation, more status …and he’s selected because of the favours he delivers, rather than any sense of qualification or merit…can you tell me why that doesn’t qualify as some shady inducement or bribe?

  32. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 3:10 pm

    Ricky – when someone is offered a great job, with more money, more perks, higher superannuation, more status …and he’s selected because of the favours he delivers, rather than any sense of qualification or merit…can you tell me why that doesn’t qualify as some shady inducement or bribe?

    Are you saying that every MP who takes on the job of speaker is being bribed or induced? Because that is the case for all of them.

    and he’s selected because of the favours he delivers,

    what were they, have you any specific accusations? can you prove any special favours to the ALP other than accepting a job?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/08/australian-military-hit-by-child-exploitation-allegations

    …Australian military hit by child exploitation allegations
    Hundreds of personnel suspected of sexual offences over past few years, confidential briefing reveals…

  33. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 3:14 pm

    even rusted on kneel though he appeared to do a good job

    and when you compare with bishop who is currently sitting in the chair and making a complete mockery of the position [but that’s okey dokey, nothing wrong there].

  34. September 8, 2014 3:19 pm

    “bishop who is currently sitting in the chair and making a complete mockery of the position”

    What ever happened to that other old drag queen Helen Coonan?

  35. September 8, 2014 3:23 pm

    Clive Palmer says Mal Brough asked him to fund case against Peter Slipper:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/22/clive-palmer-mal-brough-fund-peter-slipper?CMP=twt_gu

  36. September 8, 2014 3:25 pm

    Pyne now says he DID discuss jobs with Ashby, but made “no promises”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/08/christopher-pyne-says-he-knew-james-ashby-was-uncomfortable-with-peter-slipper

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 3:28 pm

    60 Minutes of James Ashby:
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/60-minutes-of-james-ashby,6873

    …Anyway, that was just another chapter in the litany of crap that is the James Ashby story…

    …I have met Slipper. The thought that Ashby was traumatized by this shy, slightly pompous, clumsy, bumbling man is utterly beyond belief….

    …The 4th thing was the lie and misdirection about Pyne. Ashby, it is clear, had a longstanding relationship with Pyne…
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/ashbygate-emerging,5635

  38. September 8, 2014 3:41 pm

    “I know nothing about it.”

    “I knew about it, but we never spoke about jobs.”

    “We spoke about jobs, but I never promised anything.”

    And that’s only the progression over the last 24 hours

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 3:47 pm

    ” what were they, have you any specific accusations? can you prove any special favours to the ALP other than accepting a job?

    • He allowed Gillard to retain her job as PM
    • He allowed the ALP to retain a majority
    • He prevented Wilkie from taking the action that he was entitled to for Gillard breaching her WRITTEN, SIGNED WORD to him

    Slipper delivered Government to Gillard, without the sleazy deal, she would have been out much sooner.

    Slipper was already a known sleaze and rorter, but Gillard gave him the job and removed the more respected Speaker Jenkins.

    Don’t bother to get all concerned about the get square attitude of Pyne etc unless you’re going to reflect on the sleazy duplicity that set it off.

  40. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:01 pm

    “Don’t bother to get all concerned about the get square attitude of Pyne etc unless you’re going to reflect on the sleazy duplicity that set it off.””

    Yep

    Which is why it has “no cut through” with the ordinary voter…………….just another case of they all do it plus most want to just forget about that period of government and opposition.

    Only those in the media or Canberra and the feral twitterati get excited

    .

  41. September 8, 2014 4:17 pm

    Tom Harry Jenkins was doing a fantastic job. Slipper in infinitely more qualified as a QC than that that beehive battleax that didn’t even finish her law degree, instead pretended to be a barrister on a TV show. As Reb so rightly points out, is a glaring indicator of this governments standards… pathetically incompetent.

    Tom closer examination of Abbott’s travel rorts make Slippers indiscretions (and I’m not advocating them) look positively miniscule.

    Pyne, Brough and Abbott are lying through their teeth
    They are using weasel words, cautious language and going into damage control as they have been broadsided by their own treacherous sleazy lies.

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:18 pm

    All those LNP bully boys just got so outraged at poor widdle extroverted, out & proud, james ashby, mover and shaker in one of the highest ofices in the land [without any qualifications] being sexually harassed. So enraged were they that they had to secretly ensure his protection by crucifying slipper in the media for days and months, rather than use the existing public service protections.

    twinks and bears, how delicious! now we’re all insiders to the gay scene! Did that titillate you too reb?

    He prevented Wilkie from taking the action that he was entitled to for Gillard breaching her WRITTEN, SIGNED WORD to him

    don’t be so faux outraged tomM

    she was between a rock and a hard place, it was a MINORITY GOVT remember.

    …Gillard emerges from the encounter with her unfortunate reputation as a deal breaker enhanced and the Opposition Leader armed with fresh material. But the Prime Minister has defused an issue that was tearing Labor apart and destabilising her leadership.
    Many MPs, especially in NSW, were openly hostile to Wilkie’s demands because of the grief they were getting from the clubs lobby.
    The former prime minister Kevin Rudd was using the dissent as leverage for his push to take back the leadership. His frequent and pointed refusals towards the end of last year to endorse the mandatory pre-commitment policy were regarded as sending a subliminal message to the MPs in the firing line: make him leader and he would send Wilkie packing…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/wilkie-blow-not-lethal-for-labor-20120122-1qc9d.html#ixzz3Cha8I5Zn

    anyone would think it was only gillard who ever played politics, hard on some, yes, but that is the game and the way it’s played. Look at this ashby saga right now, promises made and not kept.

  43. September 8, 2014 4:24 pm
  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:25 pm

    .…just another case of they all do it plus most want to just forget about that period of government and opposition…

    except that period of opposition is the government today and they need to be accountable for their actions during that period too. I can see why you want it all forgotten now, but you didn’t mind it all then.

  45. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:26 pm

    “that is the game and the way it’s played”

    Sadly true. I suppose integrity, saying what you actually think and keeping promises are unreasonable demands of a public sickened by the cynicism of its poltical leaders.

    “Look at this ashby saga right now”

    Business as usual for those who cut their teeth on undergrad politics and are more interested in power than public service.

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:32 pm

    Slipper was already a known sleaze and rorter, but Gillard gave him the job and removed the more respected Speaker Jenkins.

    a sleaze and rorter that the libs had in their camp for 20 years and tony abbott even attended his wedding. Also, peter slipper gave abbott the single vote that made him the opposition leader.

    abott’s not bad on the old rorting and acceptance of bribes himself!

  47. Walrus permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:34 pm

    “”I can see why you want it all forgotten now, “”

    I suppose you miss the days just over a year ago when our new PM Rudd started chatting on video to a toy polar bear in his prime ministerial office

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:35 pm

    There’s no faux outrage from me on that issue AO.

    I couldn’t believe that Gillard reneged on the agreement with Wilkie that allowed her to move into the Lodge. I was amazed that she got out of the consequences of the dishonesty, by doing shady deal/bribe/inducement/payoff with Slipper.

    I think Gillard was a crook and this is just another example.

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:36 pm

    harry jenkins was the only one who came out of that with dignity and he did it for the party, never once getting angry, revengeful or feeling a need to ‘get square’ with anyone.

  50. September 8, 2014 4:40 pm

    That’s true AO. Harry was (is) a gent, the others all came out of that sorry saga reeking of self-serving hypocrisy and ultra-sleeziness-maximus.

  51. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 4:41 pm

    Yep and the Liberals should be criticised for putting up with the sleaze Slipper for years.

    But it was Gillard who provided the bribe/inducement/payment and was able to cling on to the office that she only obtained in the first place by offering Wilkie an outcome on his passion of gambling addiction.

    She then broke her word. A true political crook.

  52. September 8, 2014 5:48 pm

    She then broke her word. A true political crook.

    ROTFPML… Well she did better that Abbott is as she is a consilitary negotiator that actually gets legislation passed as opposed to Abbott the geological imposing bully. If she’s a crook… Abbott is a cross between Darth Vader, Satan and Boris Badenov…

    Tom by your estimation Gillard broke her word so she is a crook… WTF does that make Abbott and Pyne?

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 6:01 pm

    yeah not like abbott’s slush funding through ‘secret entities’ to have a political threat jailed and his own involvement in the laundering of illegal monies through the federal libs.

    Plus his involvement in slipper/ashby and jackson/lawler/ipa

    he’s clean as!

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 6:02 pm

    Well Ricky, Rudd had a comfortable majority, but Gillard dishonestly knifed him and lost the majority. She got a hung parliament, so
    ➢ She negotiated a series of WRITTEN AGREEMENTS with non aligned parliamentarians
    ➢ They didn’t simply rely on a verbal commitment, they got her to write it out and sign it!
    ➢ She promised Wilkie reform on the single issue that he was so passionate about (did I mention she got her pen out and signed that agreement?)
    ➢ That single (written and signed in her own hand) agreement allowed her to hold the position of Prime Minister
    ➢ When the politics became too tough, she broke that WRITTEN AGREEMENT (you know the one that allowed her to be Prime Minister)
    ➢ Rather than allow her dishonesty to be tested in parliament, she removed Harry Jenkins, and installed a sleaze with a record of rorting in the most senior job in the parliament

    In my view, that is about as crooked a political story I can recall (except maybe for that c**t, the dishonest c**t Malcolm (the c**t) Fraser)

  55. TB Queensland permalink
    September 8, 2014 6:44 pm

    The alternative one that is equally legitimate is that Gillard conspired to take or retain government that she was not entitled to.

    Alternative, ToM? You really make a fool of yourself sometimes … how was any ALP pollie involved in the Ashby sexual harassment case … and if you claim to know about “business” you should know that any pollie should have referred Ashby to the closest HR professional …

    Alternative … what a dopey, protective, cop out …

    BINGO! This annoyed the Liberals, who sought to get square… what a surprise!

    And a bit deeper than that, ToMarse … to bring the government down …

    The only thing i get out of this is that lefties get excited when they think they have something on a Coalition politician.

    Wrong again, dumbo, its actually FIVE of the FUCKERS! That is a CONSPIRACY …

    I don’t think there’s much credibility with those that now blame the Liberals for their ‘get square’ tactics.

    Jesus FC, ToM, considering the way that you chased the Thomson Affair your slip really is showing … keep trying sunshine … the mud is heading your way …

    can you tell me why that doesn’t qualify as some shady inducement or bribe?

    Yep … ’cause he had resigned from the LIbs and they had given him a hard time … not the ALP … weak as water arguments …

    Don’t bother to get all concerned about the get square attitude of Pyne etc unless you’re going to reflect on the sleazy duplicity that set it off.

    Piss weak!

    twinks and bears, how delicious! now we’re all insiders to the gay scene!

    I had no idea what he was talking about, KL, but then I suppose there was no reason that I should … its not usual language at the model railway club … and, come to think of it, with the musos I associate with …

    Business as usual for those who cut their teeth on undergrad politics and are more interested in power than public service.

    And your opinion, sb … I never had the benefit of an on campus education … sounds like you believe it should all go away too …

    “Business as usual” does not make it “right” nor should it be accepted …

    Wally,

    I suppose you miss the days just over a year ago when our new PM Rudd started chatting on video to a toy polar bear in his prime ministerial office

    And bringing it up in this discussion is adult and useful in what way … shit look over there … we are not talking about Rudd … we are talking about … do you really know who?

    And TOM! I couldn’t believe that Gillard reneged on the agreement with Wilkie

    Its about Gillard … its about the BEHAVIOUR of …

    1. WYATT – LNP

    2. PYNE – LNP

    3. BROUGH – LNP

    4. ABBOTT – LNP

    Its really quite simple …

    Abbott is a cross between Darth Vader, Satan and Boris Badenov…

    You forgot Hitler and Putin … RP …

  56. egg permalink
    September 8, 2014 7:09 pm

    ‘Its about Gillard …’

    Something to do with a slush fund.

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 7:22 pm

    I had no idea what he was talking about, KL, but then I suppose there was no reason that I should … its not usual language at the model railway club … and, come to think of it, with the musos I associate with …

    me neither, I wondered if it was supposed to be the smoking gun ‘proof’ of slipper’s gayness? 🙄

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 7:25 pm

    Now you’ve done it TB, tomM’s had to bring out the arrows, the bold and the numbers!

    awww, no dotpoints 😉

  59. September 8, 2014 7:28 pm

    “Now you’ve done it TB, tomM’s had to bring out the arrows, the bold and the numbers!”

    Are “arrow points” the new ramped up hysteria…??

    #eleventy

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 7:30 pm

    😆

  61. September 8, 2014 7:30 pm

    “Something to do with a slush fund.”

    NEWSFLASH: No one cares what you think egg. Shouldn’t you be in the kitchen doing the ironing for your husband or something.

  62. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2014 7:33 pm

    “Wrong again, dumbo, its actually FIVE of the FUCKERS! That is a CONSPIRACY “

    Well if there is a conspiracy it will come out. Someone will talk.

    I actually suspect there was nothing going on other than some sleazy behaviour by Slipper. Apparently the reason Slipper survived so long was because nobody could ever pin anything on him. Always surrounded by rumour but no hard evidence against him. .

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 7:52 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/08/james-ashby-v-peter-slipper-the-shameless-game-was-always-about-politics?view=desktop

    James Ashby v Peter Slipper: the shameless game was always about politics
    James Ashby’s explosive relevations on 60 minutes have seriously upset the conga line of Coalition denialists:

    ….He found that the real purpose of the litigation was to bring down the Speaker and damage the minority government, and should never have been brought in the court.

    That was subsequently overturned by a full court majority in February. It left us with two judges saying this was more about politics than the law, and two saying this was more about the law than politics. Contrary to spin from the Ashby camp, the full court made no findings of fact about his allegations. That was to be determined by a trial that never happened because the complainant withdrew from the contest.

    The main game was always about politics. The litigation was a means by which maximum distress could be inflicted on the minority government, and Liberal politicians were in there with their ears back…

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 7:59 pm

    Don’t forget this little beauty

    …Yet mysteriously, Abbott insists he was unaware of the machinations surrounding Ashby’s complaint against the speaker, or the legwork being done by his favourite newspaper, the Daily Telegraph. In a piece of amazing synchronicity, Abbott’s press release calling for Slipper’s resignations was on the stocks the moment the Telegraph went to press with the story. Some metadata experts suggest it was even prepared before the story hit the streets…

  65. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 8, 2014 8:01 pm

    Hey Lefties

    What about the sexual harassment case?? Did Slipper sexually harass Ashby. You know workplace harassment is a serious issue which you seem to be playing politics with.

  66. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 8:02 pm

    According to my ethics, making an agreement, (& signing it) is an unshakable commitment.

    °Gillard did this to obtain a personal benefit
    °Wilkie did it to obtain a public benefit.

    Instead of offering a public and private grovelling apology (which would have been the honourable action), Gillard kicked out Jenkins and did the deal with the grub, to maintain her personal benefit!

    She’s a crook.

  67. September 8, 2014 8:05 pm

    ‘Its about Gillard …’

    Something to do with a slush fund.

    Just get you hand off you fat vage and fuck off… better than you haver tried to prove anything and what’s that I hear?

    NEWSFLASH: No one cares what you think egg. Shouldn’t you be in the kitchen doing the ironing for your husband or something.

    🙂

    Well if there is a conspiracy it will come out. Someone will talk.

    What are you asleep? You really are an imbecile. I see why you revert to cut and pasting and making shit up from the past , it is actually beyond you intellectual capacity of comprehension to digest information that will enable your chicken little pea to comment on anything happening in the here and now as you are so fucking thick…

    “Apparently” (like this fucktard actually knows? FFS ROTFL] 🙄 the reason Slipper survived so long was because nobody could ever pin anything on him He was too busy blowing Abbott at his own wedding

    Always surrounded by rumour but no hard evidence against him. .

    Think about what you have just written you fucking dill

    Well Ricky, Rudd had a comfortable majority, but Gillard dishonestly .. blah blah de blah

    Well sorry am I missing something? What the fuck has this got to do with Gillard and Rudd? That is immaterial and irrelevant
    I wont use dot points ( Nice one TB 🙂 )
    It would seem that the PM and minister for education lied then misled parliament and were involved in a plot using a man who was sexually harassed as a pastie who they hung out to dry. Two LNP federal members were involves and also covered up and lied. This is actually way more serious than what Slipper has done, its an abuser of process.

  68. Meta permalink
    September 8, 2014 8:09 pm

    (It’s still all innocous; even the dotted-line ruled under the bearer wine; apparently.)

  69. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2014 8:26 pm

    “a late night alcohol- fuelled drinking session”

    The best kind.

  70. Tony permalink
    September 8, 2014 8:28 pm

    What’s the crime here, and who committed it?

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 8, 2014 9:08 pm

    ‘What’s it got to do with Gillard?’

    Only that she bribed/induced Slipper in the first place in order to avoid the consequences of her ripped up agreement with Wilkie.

    The Liberals decided to get square, hence some are in a flap about them, but prefer to ignore all the proof that Gillard is as crooked as about any political leader we’ve had.

    …and I’ll add-
    *
    *
    *

  72. September 8, 2014 9:13 pm

    Hey Lefties
    What about the sexual harassment case?? Did Slipper sexually harass Ashby. You know workplace harassment is a serious issue which you seem to be playing politics with.

    Go back under ya rock and harass that blowup sex toy you clueless fuckwit 🙄

    What’s the crime here, and who committed it?

    Lets start with squeal assaulting our intelligence with irrelevance

  73. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 9:53 pm

    I don’t usually watch australian story but was pleased I did so tonight.

  74. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 10:31 pm

    MichaelDanbyMP refers James Ashby’s perjury to Federal DPP:
    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s8s6oo

    Smears from nowhere:
    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/smears-from-nowhere.html

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 8, 2014 11:06 pm

    another referral to the AFP

    http://nofibs.com.au/2014/09/08/dear-afp-please-investigate-ashbygate-at-last-sincerely-grahamperrettmp/

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 9, 2014 5:43 am

    So lefties don’t give a stuff that Slipper may have been sexually harassing Ashby.

    I wonder what ALP/lefties would be saying if there was not some political advantage to be obtained from the situation.

  77. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 7:58 am

    What’s the crime here, and who committed it?

    Isn’t it just that there are “Questions to be answered”? 😯

    The Liberals decided to get square

    If you call perverting the course of justice “getting square”, then …..

    prefer to ignore all the proof that Gillard is as crooked as about any political leader we’ve had.

    or the same as all the rest. Up until now.

    So lefties don’t give a stuff that Slipper may have been sexually harassing Ashby.

    Well, considering that the only judge to have seen all of the evidence concluded that it was a political fix up, and, considering not only did ashby ignore ALL normal processes for cases such as this, but also refused to go to court when he got his opportunity, it appears that ashby gives less of a stuff about it than any “lefty” I have come across.

  78. Meta permalink
    September 9, 2014 8:11 am

    (James Ashby’s case against Peter Slipper and the Commonwealth, and the associated infusion of media and political involvement, would have to be one of the grubbiest assaults on a government in recent memory.

    Umm, maybe; more likely, though, the media was just doing what the media does; and all best forgotten, again, now, I guess.)

  79. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 8:17 am

    the media was just doing what the media does

    You mean like gaudilly displaying every dirty little secret and accusation on their front pages for months, then completely forgetting to report that the judge deemed it an abuse of process in the end.

    Of course the media don’t want to pursue this. It clearly demonstrates their empires lack of clothing.

    The same goes for the AWU case and Gillard and her trewatment by the media

    If the Royal Commission uncovers new information that shows Gillard received benefits improperly, then this is an indictment of journalists who kept insisting for years that Gillard had questions to answer, without their being able to uncover any information that required her response.

    If the Royal Commission does not uncover any significant new information on this matter, other than that already chewed over by journalists, then this is an indictment of journalists who kept insisting for years that Gillard had questions to answer, without their being able to uncover any information that required her response.

    In other words, journalists have let us down either way. In the latter instance, Patty and Sheehan are going to look stupid. They will diminish such credibility as they have in later dispatches.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/smears-from-nowhere.html

  80. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 8:22 am

    And I see tabot is going to kick manufacturing again, and break ANOTHER election promise along the way

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott said value for taxpayers must outweigh local job-creation considerations as he all but confirmed the government would break a pre-election promise to build new submarines at ASC in Adelaide, sparking a brawl with the South Australian government.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/japanese_subs_the_hard_nose_of_tough_5SJAz6oHuuAE9cdt3HeHmM

    The submarine contract is likely to go to a Japanese bid, which would be about half the $40 billion cost of designing and building in Australia, although maintenance could be carried out in South Australia.

    The cost of building 10 submarines in Japan is believed to be about $20 billion.

    I wonder if a cost-benefit analysis was done?

    Before the federal election, the Coalition promised unambiguously to build the new submarines at ASC.

    So where are the front page spreads with tabots Pinocchio nose under the banner “he LIED!”?

  81. egg permalink
    September 9, 2014 9:16 am

    ‘I wonder if a cost-benefit analysis was done?’

    Rule of thumb, but there is little doubt he told a blatant porky to get elected.

  82. September 9, 2014 9:20 am

    AFP reopens probe into Brough as part of Slipper saga….

    http://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/news/afp-reopens-mal-brough-into-slipper-diary-affair/2380364/

  83. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 9:24 am

    Cash for Comments

    NSW ICAC edges closer to tabot. Didn’t he tell us just yesterday that it won’t reach the Feds

    The emails reveal that, in March 2011, while the Coalition was in opposition, Ms Credlin used a major donor to the Liberal Party, Brickworks, as part of Tony Abbott’s campaign against the carbon tax.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/peta-credlin-emails-to-liberal-party-donor-reveals-cash-for-questions-link-20140908-10e53p.html

    ROFL

  84. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2014 9:33 am

    If you call perverting the course of justice “getting square”, then …..

    How’s that?

    All started because Gillard was so dishonourable in her dealings with Wilkie, Jenkins, the electorate, the parliament…

  85. September 9, 2014 9:39 am
  86. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 9:39 am
  87. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 9:42 am

    All started because Gillard was so dishonourable in her dealings with Wilkie

    So, she knifed another politician. It happens all the time. Deals done in backrooms

    Did she stand in front of a Submarine promising to build twelve of them, then outsource it once in power.

    And if you don’t think that what ashby did was an abuse of process, read Justice Rares decision. And if you don’t think that Parliamentarians sneaking around stealing Diaries isn’t ethical, then you really need to reassess your morals imo.

  88. Meta permalink
    September 9, 2014 9:43 am

    (Yep; that Witch made ’em do it; even the bit where decalogue Kevin Andrews announced a reversal of LNP pokies policy, and told a bare-faced whopper to do it, to ensure that in-principle bipartisanship on pokies reform was at an end, just in time to frustrate billion-dollar-hospital Andrew Wilkie’s rustling up of the numbers.)

  89. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:04 am

    From your link reb

    THE Australian Federal Police will reopen its investigation into the alleged unauthorised disclosure of Peter Slipper’s diaries.

    Yea, but they didn’t do anything before, just closed it when the appeal went through.

    They should have gone ahead themselves when ashby refused to make use of that appeal, as, weren’t there still “Questions to Answer”?

    Speaking of questions, whose the numbskull in the libs who got ashby all pissed off again? The press and courts and police had buried this, but ashby himself has brought it back to life. Why?

  90. egg permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:05 am

    ‘Did she stand in front of a Submarine promising to build twelve of them, then outsource it once in power.’

    No.

  91. September 9, 2014 10:05 am

    Seems Abbott admired the Japanese submariners who torpedoed Sydney Harbor so much he decided to recreate it in SA using the JAP FTA as a script

    I guess this is just another “Say anything to get elected” lie we are supposed to thank him for…. #budgie smuggler emergency

  92. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:08 am

    Trog Sorrenson nailed it on pb this morning Ricky.

    Japanese submarines for Australia?

    If any words could accurately describe Japanese military behaviour in World War 2, it would be a Death Cult.

    ……………………….

    And now the lying bastards in the Coalition are preparing the Australian public in general, and the South Australian public in particular, for the ditching of their pre-election promise that the new submarines would be built in SA, and going for Japanese subs instead.

    ……………….

    So, instead of keeping advanced manufacturing skills in Australia, we are told by the likes of Pyne, Abbott and Johnston that the sub contract should be awarded purely on the basis of ‘performance’ and that the issue should not be conflated with industry or other policies.

    Well, as a taxpayer, I would actually prefer to have a massive project like the submarine contract developed by Australians, even if it costs a bit more, because if you happen to work from a basis of economics and not just pure ideology, there are major industrial, social and security benefits to Australia from doing just that.

    ……………………..

    Those reading this may ask why the hell I think it is productive to conflate the issue of Japanese behaviour in WW2 with an industrial contract. Well normally it wouldn’t make sense at all but for Tony ‘Captain Australia’ Abbott. Yes, the Japanese ‘who fought with honour’ are now our ‘very best friends’, and by the way, Shinzo, how would you like a billion dollar submarine contract? I am sure the Australian people won’t mind the sacrifice, just like some of our troops didn’t mind being beheaded in WW2.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollbludger/2014/09/08/newspoll-52-48-to-labor-9/?comment_page=2/#comment-2048061

    Read it all, it’s well worth it. If only our journos wish they could write like that.

  93. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:10 am

    I’m quite happy for people to go after Pyne, Brough, Abbott.

    But ignoring Gillard’s leadership in the race to dishonourable behaviour regarding Slipper is ignoring more than half the story.

  94. egg permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:15 am

    ‘…decided to recreate it in SA using the JAP FTA as a script’

    Its part of his utopian vision and there is a lot more where that came from.

  95. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:17 am

    But ignoring Gillard’s leadership in the race to dishonourable behaviour

    yea yo,,, a pollie breaking a deal with a pollie is most “dishonourable ” isn’t it ROFL.

    Especially a deal which the numbers in the house ensured could never be achieved either.

    And, lets not forget, even though Gillard didn’t keep that part of the deal, Wilkie stayed with her over the other options he had.

    Now, do you want to talk about events NOW, or keep dredging the past, again, and again, and again? (trick questions) 😉

  96. egg permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:19 am

    ‘do you want to talk about events NOW, or keep dredging the past’

    I prefer the third way, let’s talk about the future.

  97. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:22 am

    “Shinzo, how would you like a billion dollar submarine contract? I am sure the Australian people won’t mind the sacrifice, just like some of our troops didn’t mind being beheaded in WW2.””

    I trust you are suffering similar “”discomfort” and faux outrage at selling iron ore and beef (to name just 2) to the Death Cult Japs.

    O

  98. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:27 am

    get a grip wally, and read what was written. Otherwise, you’re just going to look sillier than you already do.

  99. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:27 am

    “”So, instead of keeping advanced manufacturing skills in Australia,…………..””

    I think you meant to say…………………………..

    “So, instead of keeping advanced job subsidy programs in South Australia,……………..”

  100. Trog Luddite permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:27 am

    “Those reading this may ask why the hell I think it is productive to conflate the issue of Japanese behaviour in WW2 with an industrial contract .. .I am sure the Australian people won’t mind the sacrifice, just like some of our troops didn’t mind being beheaded in WW2.”

    Presumably the same logic applies to Japanese cars, televisions, stereos, etc. And to anything made in Germany, because of their behaviour in WW2. I guess Trog doesn’t drive a BMW or Volkswagen, because that would mean Australians who build Holdens and Fords would be making a sacrifice for him.

  101. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:30 am

    “”………..because if you happen to work from a basis of economics and not just pure ideology, there are major industrial, social and security benefits to Australia from doing just that.””

    Yeah………….and the Collins Class have been such a raging success in build quality……..ROFLMAO

  102. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:33 am

    “”Otherwise, you’re just going to look sillier than you already do.””

    As if equating something that Abbott said about a Middle Eastern death cult with a Japanese Submarine program does not look just downright fucking moronic already.

  103. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:44 am

    “So, instead of keeping advanced job subsidy programs in South Australia,……………..”

    Yea, like the Japanese don’t subsidies their industries.

    As if equating something that Abbott said about a Middle Eastern death cult with a Japanese Submarine program

    Like I said, read it, as the comparison was with the middle east death cult chopping off heads, and our PM congratulating the Japs for doing that to our soldiers in WW2.

    Reading is so hard for some.

  104. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:45 am

    Yeah………….and the Collins Class have been such a raging success in build quality

    You mean those subs that are the only ones to consistently avoid detection by the US in war games. Those ones?

  105. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:52 am

    “”….our PM congratulating the Japs for doing that to our soldiers in WW2.””

    Could you go get the exact quote …………..or was he repeating the words said at the time ?

  106. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 10:53 am

    “”……..mean those subs that are the only ones to consistently avoid detection by the US in war games. Those ones?””

    Not much use if they are always in dry dock getting fixed

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 11:03 am

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 11:05 am

  109. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 11:15 am

    Could you go get the exact quote

    It’s not like you couldn’t, is it?

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-accused-of-going-too-far-over-japans-war-record/story-fncynjr2-1226984686363

    Not much use if they are always in dry dock getting fixed

    I think you will find they are in dry dock because they don’t have crews. The days of the teething problems are over, by and large.

    I also recall tabot telling us that the cost overruns for the planes they are getting are fine, because you expect this with high precision weaponry, but he doesn’t give our own workers the same leeway.

    That pretty much says it all.

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 11:23 am

    Scott Morrison is about to get a lesson in humility:

    …Scott Morrison is more likely about to find himself dragged, metaphorically if not bodily, into a court of law where he cannot lie or even reframe the truth, for that would be perjury and that way lies imprisonment…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/blunt-instrument/scott-morrison-is-about-to-get-a-lesson-in-humility-20140909-10e6d6.html#ixzz3CmEnMct2

  111. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 11:41 am

    It’s laughable isn’t it ao

    The libs are dredging a 20 year old case through their commission, but telling us that the ashby case is old news

    and mark simpering simkins on theirabc last told us all that tony said nothing to see, so we should all move on.

    fcken wombats

    Mal Brough and James Ashby should be prosecuted over Slipper case:

    No shit, should have happened back then. AFP far to busy elsewhere at the time.

  112. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2014 11:48 am

    Labor has seized on Mr Brough’s admission, with Queensland backbencher Graham Perrett writing to Commissioner Tony Negus, requesting the AFP “urgently conduct a formal investigation” into Mr Brough’s actions.

    Mr Perrett believed Mr Brough’s conduct could breach the Criminal Code and Crimes Act. “That conduct could constitute a serious crime,” Mr Perrett wrote to the commissioner.

    Can anyone enlighten me on exactly what crime(s) is/are being alleged?

  113. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 11:51 am

    Can anyone enlighten me on exactly what crime(s) is/are being alleged?

    Don’t get ahead of yourself Tony.

    First, there are “Questions to Answer!” 😉

  114. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 11:59 am

    pssst Tony, this might give you a hint as to what “could constitute a serious crime”

    On Sunday, Mr Brough was questioned on 60 Minutes whether he had asked former Speaker’s aide James Ashby to “procure copies of Peter Slipper’s diary” for Mr Brough’s use. Mr Brough, who won the seat of Fisher from Mr Slipper at the 2013 federal election, responded “Yes I did.”

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:01 pm

    yes tomR, if heads don’t roll after such an abuse of the justice system to bring down a government, I can only believe that the AFP colludes with the LNP to protect them from any prosecution from illegality and that we lack a separation of powers.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:04 pm

    When it was Craig Thomson with “questions to answer”, this is the response from those that have since self banned from this site-
    • He’s innocent
    • Think of the baby
    • It’s a media beat up
    • Look over there at that odd Liberal Senator, she shoplifted!
    • When Howard was Prime Minister….
    • He’s not been charged
    • He’s not been convicted
    • Let the courts decide

    So with regard to Christopher Pyne, I’ll only say –
    THINK OF THE BABY!!

  117. September 9, 2014 12:07 pm

    “THINK OF THE BABY!!”

    Who, Wyatt Roy….??

    Pedlin’s already instructed him to STFU.

  118. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:12 pm

    lols@yomm

    Now, do you want to talk about events NOW, or keep dredging the past, again, and again, and again? (trick questions)

    goosy goosy 😉

    Pedlin’s already instructed him to STFU.

    Can he offer inducements to her in order to speak perhaps 🙂

  119. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:13 pm

    Can anyone enlighten me on exactly what crime(s) is/are being alleged?

    we’ve linked to it before tony

    it’s a crime punishable by jail

    s478.1 of the criminal code [unauthorised access of restricted data] and s70 of crimes act 1914 [unauthorised disclosure of information by commonwealth officers]

    There’s also something to do with info that was not presented in the court case or the appeal ?perjury or something similar.

    https://docs.google.com/gview?url=http://nofibs.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/TNegus_GrahamPerrettMP.pdf&chrome=true

  120. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:15 pm

    Will #Ashby explain how & why he clocked up a $2 million plus legal bill on such a minor case? And then gave up before the hearing?

    No 😉

  121. September 9, 2014 12:16 pm

    Walrus are you saying we should subsadise Japanese Manufacturing? The government has no social contract in this consideration? No thought of the economic VAR and flow on’s benefits to the SA economy? spoken like a true bean counter. 🙄 Are you Just another compliant Kamikaze to these corporate FTA death cults of the apparently “free market economy?” What complete hypocritical bollocks.. How do these lying LNP dogs sleep at night… FMD… That CUNT Pyne representing his constituency is Torry filth.

  122. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:17 pm

    I can only believe that the AFP colludes with the LNP

    I’d drawn that conclusion a few years ago ao 😦

  123. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:23 pm

    If you’re interested in history, the ashby saga has a lot in common with the hanson ‘fix’ and the common denominator in both is tony abbott.

    …It is one thing, however, to wish to counter a political threat. It is another to actively promote and assist in legal proceedings to that end. Mr Abbott is not entitled to lie later about his involvement in this activity, whether to the media, a constituent, or the Parliament. Mr Abbot now concedes he twice arranged pro-bono lawyers to assist Mr Sharples. His actions have a whiff of the old offence of maintenance and champerty, meddling in another’s law suit for his own advantage…

    See more at: http://nofibs.com.au/2013/04/18/the-legal-saga-against-one-nation-and-legal-possibilities-against-abbott/#sthash.yNosGgKk.dpuf

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:31 pm

    the lib HQ at work

  125. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:33 pm

    He said she said and on and on it goes.

    Apparently Abbott going to Slippers wedding is evidence of a conspiracy. But Kevin Rudd going to the same wedding is not.

    What a waste of time and energy.

    The only thing worth discussing is why did Gillard make Slipper speaker with so much innuendo floating around this man. Surely that was a bad lapse of judgement. Gillards judgement was pathetic and explains why she was such a bad PM.

  126. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:38 pm

    “”Walrus are you saying we should subsadise Japanese Manufacturing?””

    How are we subsidising Japanese Manufacturing ?

    You could say that about anyone buying an imported Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Hona etc…………

    Its simply a case of a heavily unionised inefficient and costly workplace finally reaping what they have sewn over the years they have held the Taxpayer to ransom.

    The same thing is happening wiith Woodside Petroleum and the GAS Train ( it takes the impurities out of the gas and compresses it) on the Northwest Shelf in WA.

    It has now become so uneconomic to build the Gas Train at Tom Price Point that they are going to now build a floating gas train so they don’t need to bother with the MUA and CFMEU demands.

    The gas wont even land in WA now. It goes straight from the ocean onto a boat and off to the death cultists in Japan

    = Minimum Australian workforce

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:40 pm

    Melbourne Ports MP Michael Danby alleges James Ashby has perjured himself by his comments on 60 Minutes last night. The Ashbygate Trust reports.
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/michael-danby-refers-james-ashby-to-federal-dpp,6876

    …Taking him at his word, James Ashby claims to have been induced by Liberal MPs into making his sordid claims against Peter Slipper. What he told 60 Minutes last night about these alleged inducements directly contradicts what Mr Ashby put on oath in a sworn affidavit (See attached copy of the false account in Ashby’s affidavit). Accordingly, I will be writing to the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions today, inviting him to immediately investigate whether perjury has occurred. At the very least this claim of inducements should have been available to the appeal judges when they reviewed Justice Rare’s judgement on these matters.

    Let’s hope Danby has the tenacity to push for answers..

  128. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:55 pm

    The real story behind ICAC, Peta Credlin and Brickworks:
    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/9/9/policy-politics/real-story-behind-icac-peta-credlin-and-brickworks

    …It’s rubbish. But the truth is far more sinister and, indeed, bizarre.

    The interaction between the Liberal Party and Brickworks’ chief executive in fact provides an insight into how business representatives faithful to the Liberal Party were skilfully used to assist Tony Abbott in an elaborate lie to scare the Australian people into voting for him…

    …Brickworks is listed as the recipient of government grants totaling $17 million, which would support energy efficiency projects that, the company claimed, were expected to save it $11.7 million per annum on its energy bill.

    In other words, not only did Brickworks pass on price increases exceeding the carbon cost to its business but, in addition, it took funding from a carbon pricing initiative to save it money on its energy bill; funding that was substantially greater than its entire carbon price liability…

  129. September 9, 2014 1:00 pm

    That’s your Rebuttal Wally? Kind of pathetic mate in not addressing the real issues with some hyperventilating about it being the unions fault..what do you have Eggy Squeal disease today?

    Don’t know if anyone has been following Russell Brand’s war against Faux News. His rebuttal style of deconstructing agenda is both intelligent, sartorially elegant and funny as. The more they serve him the better it gets and the worse Faux looks. Subscribe to his channel, I promise it wont disappoint.

  130. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:01 pm

    The only thing worth discussing is why did Gillard make Slipper speaker with so much innuendo floating around this man. Surely that was a bad lapse of judgement. Gillards judgement was pathetic and explains why she was such a bad PM.

    What about howard and costello’s and abbott’s judgement of this man??
    After all, he was their guy for 20yrs, continually endorsed by the party and they knew all about the sleaze and innuendo all that time.
    The only time they wanted rid of him was when mal brough was desperate for a job because he got shafted by qld lib/nats…and mal was prepared to be very useful behind the scenes wasn’t he?

  131. Tony permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:10 pm

    “we’ve linked to it before tony

    it’s a crime punishable by jail

    s478.1 of the criminal code [unauthorised access of restricted data] and s70 of crimes act 1914 [unauthorised disclosure of information by commonwealth officers]

    There’s also something to do with info that was not presented in the court case or the appeal ?perjury or something similar.”

    Thanks for that AO. I’ve just had a quick look at the relevant sections

    https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cyberlawcentre.org%2Fgenl2032%2F05_crime.doc

    The material accessed is unlikely to meet the definition “restricted data”, for a start.

  132. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:17 pm

    The material accessed is unlikely to meet the definition “restricted data”, for a start.

    But how are we to know, until Questions Are Asked? 😯

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:19 pm

    I notice Abbott’s resident Acolytes are still attempting to shift the discussion from the Conspiracy of Abbott*, Pyne, Brough, Ashby and his co-conspirators …

    (I mean the Boss has said it “finished” …

    However, on a subject I’ve always found interesting …

    Collins Class Submarine introduced in 1996 … mmm … who was in power then?

    No proper sustainment system in place since entry into service … mmmm … during who’s reign?

    Acceptable level of reliability and availability in three years? (Written in 2011 … mmmm …)

    sustaining them into the future would be more challenging than if would have been to establish them when the Collins Class first entered service in 1996.

    Mmmmmm … who commissioned them?

    Importantly!

    The Report made 25 recommendations to restore the Collins Class fleet to an international benchmark by 2016.

    Coles Review into Submarine Sustainment

    The Government announced the Coles Review––a Study into the Business of Sustaining Australia’s Strategic Collins Class Submarine Capability––in August 2011.

    John Coles, an expert from the United Kingdom, was commissioned to undertake the review and to develop a plan to improve management of Australia’s submarine fleet.

    The Final Report of the Coles Review found that the Collins Class Submarine fleet of six was competently designed and is well crewed by the Royal Australian Navy.

    However, there had been no proper sustainment system in place since the Collins Class entry into service in 1996.

    Mr Coles observed that establishing the necessary logistical arrangements now and sustaining them into the future would be more challenging than if would have been to establish them when the Collins Class first entered service in 1996.

    He found that submarines designed in the 1980s and 1990s, which conduct distant and long patrols, were maintenance heavy and spent around half of their lives in maintenance. An acceptable availability and reliability of the Collins Class could be achievable within about three years.

    The Report made 25 recommendations to restore the Collins Class fleet to an international benchmark by 2016.

    The Coles Review into Submarine Sustainment is available at: http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/publications/coles.cfm.

    And I do think that an RAN submarine is quite a bit different from a BMW or a Sony TV … from a national security perspective if nothing else …

  134. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:21 pm

    Its simply a case of a heavily unionised inefficient and costly workplace finally reaping what they have sewn over the years they have held the Taxpayer to ransom.

    What a bunch of ideological claptrap.

    Every country subsidizes industries, We also had the added obstruction of a high dollar thanks to miners making a mint.

    This govmint has thrown in the towel, probably along the same lines as your rant

    Unions.

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:22 pm

    Apparently Abbott going to Slippers wedding is evidence of a conspiracy. But Kevin Rudd going to the same wedding is not.

    That seems to be just you, it, no-one has even hinted at that … you do get in a muddle reading all those LNP memes …

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:24 pm

    But how are we to know, until Questions Are Asked?

    and answered, not abruptly walking away to avoid them
    and “that’s old now, let’s move on, bet you can’t catch me”

    We need a RC to get to the truth – what’s good for the gander is good for the goose [pinched that from someone else here 😉 ]

  137. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:26 pm

    “”… from a national security perspective if nothing else …””

    If that actually really mattered we would have kept our oil refineries which are now being closed down (announced during ALP years).

    Oh hang on……………………….we could always order some nuclear powered subs…………..I don’t se you arguing for that………………oh that’s right…………………I forgot about that other problem even saying “nuclear””

  138. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:30 pm

    … reaping what they have sewn …

    That’s the clothing industry, Wally, not the car industry …

    Unless you meant … sown? As in the bible an’ other shite stories?

    Anyway it’ll be the tax and accounting people soon as the robots take over (well non-human ones anyway) …

    … then they too will reap what they have sown … which isn’t too much really … all they do is shine their arses (and other arseholes, arses), they don’t actually make or grow or catch or mine anything … they just sit there with their gobs dribbling shite and punching keys … and collecting money of people who actually do stuff …

    You should get out and get a real job … you might have to join a union tho’ … y’know sorta like the one your in now … the CPA* isn’t it?

  139. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:33 pm

    I have no problem with nuclear subs … providing we power them using Generation IV plants and thorium …

    Something I’ve commented on quite a lot over the last five years … obviously way over you head …

  140. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:42 pm

    “That seems to be just you, it, no-one has even hinted at that … you do get in a muddle reading all those LNP memes …”

    I must have misinterpreted these comments from further up the page.

    Gillard said all bets are off when the sleazy Torry liberal prick (personally endorsed by Abbott who attended his wedding) was found to be the grub he is.

    a sleaze and rorter that the libs had in their camp for 20 years and tony abbott even attended his wedding.

    Apparently Rudd and Slipper are good friends and Rudd even attended his wedding. Apparently this is a crime in leftie land.

    You people are looking for something that does not exist- a conspiracy

  141. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 1:58 pm

    “”… they just sit there with their gobs dribbling shite and punching keys …””

    Yeah……….punching keys downloading pirated TV shows sounds familiar…………….LOL

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2014 2:06 pm

    Apparently Abbott going to Slippers wedding is evidence of a conspiracy. But Kevin Rudd going to the same wedding is not … I must have misinterpreted these comments from further up the page.

    Yep, you did … and who said Rudd was a “good friend” of Slipper? And what’s it got to do with …

    Abbott, Pyne, Brough, Ashby conspiring to bring down the Gillard government – illegally …

    Misinterpretation is one of your hallmarks … it …

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2014 2:07 pm

    Yeah……….punching keys downloading pirated TV shows sounds familiar…………….LOL

    Is that what you really do for a living?

  144. September 9, 2014 2:09 pm

    Squeal loves the word apparently ..he uses it often contextually when is an apparent he has no proof, understand, comprehension other than his chicken little factually devoid projective hyperbole

    You people are looking for something that does not exist- a conspiracy

    you just don’t have the capacity for critical thinking 🙄

  145. September 9, 2014 3:10 pm

    Fuck you Droid Predictive Text
    Squeal loves the word apparently ..he uses it often contextually when it’s apparent he has no proof, understanding or comprehension other than his chicken little factually devoid projective hyperbole

    I forgot about that other problem even saying “nuclear””

    Cool how about we throw the waste in your backyard? You “forgot” to mention that little inconvenient 500 thousand 1/2 life argument often conveniently omitted from the conversation when the 5 mile island cheer squad are enjoying their glow in the dark braised 3 eyed snapper on a lovely bed of isotope roasted Fukoshima sea cucumber… 🙄

  146. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 3:44 pm

    “”………often conveniently omitted from the conversation when the 5 mile island cheer squad are enjoying their glow in the dark braised 3 eyed snapper on a lovely bed of isotope roasted Fukoshima sea cucumber…””

    Yum………………………got a Link for that recipe

  147. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 3:46 pm

    “”Julie Bishop most popular cabinet minister””

    That’s because she’s hot in that Maggie Thatcher kinda way

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2014 3:49 pm

    Julie Bishop most popular cabinet minister

    Because she spends most – er, all – her time overseas …

  149. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 4:02 pm

    That’s because she’s hot in that Maggie Thatcher kinda way

    What a terrible thing to say.

  150. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 4:03 pm

    “”Collins Class Submarine introduced in 1996 … mmm … who was in power then?””

    Oh………..so they were designed and built in the very first year of the Howard Government.

    Seriously why do you put up BS like that in order to blame the LNP for Beazley’s IR, cost blowout, and design disaster ?

    The Collin’s Class…………..from the same party that brought us the only project ever conceived on the back of a beer coaster………………….the NBN Disaster

  151. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 4:05 pm

    “”What a bunch of ideological claptrap.””

    You call it claptrap I call it reality

  152. September 9, 2014 4:40 pm

    I for one am surprised that Hockey is now more unpopular than Pyne…

    The last time I looked, Pyne’s approval rating was something like negative 37%…

  153. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2014 6:39 pm

    Seriously why do you put up BS like that in order to blame the LNP for Beazley’s IR, cost blowout, and design disaster ?

    Because the problems all occurred after commissioning … you do understand the term?

    And if you had read the report you would know that … eg

    “””No proper sustainment system in place since entry into service … Acceptable level of reliability and availability in three years? (Written in 2011 … mmmm …)

    sustaining them into the future would be more challenging than if would have been to establish them when the Collins Class first entered service in 1996.”””

    The Collins were fraught with problems during manufacture … ask any green site production manager what that’s like (yeah, I did that too!) … the problem we have now is all that knowledge and skill gained over the last – what?- thirty years will simply go down the gurgler … and the speed that this decision is being made tells you one of two things … they are making decisions off the top of their heads … or they decided to do it before the election and LIED … and are still making decisions off the top of their heads … CBA, please! ROI, please!

    Nice try Wally but you are doing what Kneel – (and all the tories are trying to do) – abrogate any responsibility to the ALP … they are no longer in power … just as they weren’t in power for the TWELVE years of Howards reign …

    The Abbott government were quick to accept the kudos for the Japanese FTA but they hadn’t worked at it for something like five years … the ALP had …

  154. September 9, 2014 6:45 pm

  155. Walrus permalink
    September 9, 2014 6:47 pm

    “”…………..were quick to accept the kudos for the Japanese FTA but they hadn’t worked at it for something like five years … the ALP had …””

    TB……..

    ………………Allow me to introduce you to Ricky Pann……………….

    “”Are you Just another compliant Kamikaze to these corporate FTA death cults ……….””

    ROFLMAO

    ****************************************************************************************

    Off to a supposed “”high powered”” dinner now which for once I’m not paying for……

    Ciao

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 9, 2014 7:13 pm

    “Because the problems all occurred after commissioning … you do understand the term? ”

    I have always agreed with Beazley and the ALP and what they did. But since we had never built submarines before i always suspected there would be problems. Manufacturing is not our strong suit. And i disagree with buying our submarines from Japan although i can understand the logic. We should be building one submarine every 7 years and keep the production line going.

    But i don’t think it is correct that all problems occurred after commissioning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins-class_submarine#Entry_into_service

    The first submarine, HMAS Collins, was laid down in February 1990.[5] Collins’ launch was originally planned for 1994, but was later set for 28 August 1993………Within weeks of the launch, Collins was removed from the water, and it was not until June 1994 that the submarine was completed………Collins was not commissioned into the RAN until 27 July 1996; eighteen months behind schedule, because of several delays and problems, most relating to the provision and installation of the combat data system software

  157. egg permalink
    September 9, 2014 7:13 pm

    A few years ago it was estimated that it would cost $40 billion to build 12 subs in SA, by comparison a $20 billion deal with the Japanese is prudent.

    Abbott is shoring up the alliance.

  158. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 7:43 pm

    Manufacturing is not our strong suit.

    The evidence disagrees with you. I’ll admit though, our management is shithouse, but we sure can (could) make stuff that was world class.

    Unfortunately, this govmint doesn’t want us to. They have thrown the towel in, and just want us to either dig shit up, or wait on tables.

    Short sighted asswipes.

    As TB said, they have just thrown away twenty plus years of development expertise in that area, after throwing 50 odd years of automotive capability down the toilet for ideological purposes.

    And all for what, to save a few million off this years bottom line? Shit, they handed out ten times more than that to their corporate spivs. And just wait until the bill for the japs subs comes in (with the obligatory increases in production costs). Then look at the bottom line.

    Short sighted asswipes.

  159. September 9, 2014 7:56 pm

    “Abbott is shoring up the alliance”

    While fucking over Australian companies and their employees…

    Go #TeamAbbott

  160. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 8:04 pm

    Go #TeamAbbott

    https://twitter.com/TeamFuckShitUp ❓ 😯

  161. September 9, 2014 8:22 pm

    Off to a supposed “”high powered”” dinner now which for once I’m not paying

    Powered by pure bullshit no doubt 🙄 Stay away from the Fukashima oysters Wally

    F raudulent
    T reacherous
    A pparition

    Did Squeal just say Manufacturing is not our strong suit….. ?
    I think that out imbeciles Eggs “shoring up the alliance”

    The loon trolls are on fire today….

  162. September 9, 2014 8:31 pm

    Lambie The Aboriginal? Well its news to them….

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-08/anger-over-jacqui-lambies-aboriginal-claims/5728622

  163. egg permalink
    September 10, 2014 6:30 am

    ‘While fucking over Australian companies and their employees…’

    Only those which need a subsidy to survive.

  164. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:36 am

    Only those which need a subsidy to survive.

    You mean like the mining companies?

  165. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 9:55 am

    “Stay away from the Fukashima oysters Wally””

    I did………………….but only because I’m allergic to oysters. No other seafood………..just oysters for some reason.

    Not that “high powered”” in the end. A current NSW minister was supposed to give a speech on infrastructure in unison with an infrastructure financier (Yep ……………Yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn……………..but I have to know about these things) but the Minister was a no show for family reasons (Dunno maybe his wife was fronting ICAC today)

    Anyway the lobster and crab were great as was the Petaluma

  166. egg permalink
    September 10, 2014 9:57 am

    Its true that mining companies receive direct subsidy of around $4 billion a year to build roads and stuff. I imagine this practice is bipartisan and should be condemned.

  167. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:00 am

    to build roads and stuff.

    That only they use, in order for them to make money. So they receive a subsidy.

  168. September 10, 2014 10:05 am

    Its against my better judgment to even respond to Eggs stupidity but… 🙄

    Only those which need a subsidy to survive.

    As in subsidise Australian manufacturing jobs and money that stays in the Australian economy with obvious flow on effects to build Submarines subsidised by the taxpayer?

    Or

    subsadise this failed governments hypocrisy in breaking another election promise?

    Or

    support a foreign industry heavily subsidised by the Japanese government that will add to that “deficit emergency” so incredibly important to this government’s sabre rattling

    Or

    Subsidise the FTA geo Murdochro-gerontocracy corporate NWO of military hardware war machine propagated by corporations to maintain market control for profit?

    Your a genius Egg, a real intellectual giant 😯

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