Voters Still Hate Tony Abbott

Do you fucken blame them?

Killed the auto industry
killed the submarine industry
hit the lowest paid in order to allow foreign businesses to pillage our country.

I just can’t see where the love will come from. apart from murdoch etal

or
Adults in charge 😉

I think I’m one of those one in four that really wish we didn’t have to choose between those two. Still would vote for anyone for not being Tony Abbott, though.

Yeah, I know, that’s how he got elected to begin with…

Show ’em why you hate ’em

http://www.saveoursubs.com.au

I saw Bill Shorten rallying the submarine troops, on the news last night.

*Very unimpressive
*Lots of faux outrage- he should be better at it by now
*Why does he wear suits with such long sleeves?

I saw Bill Shorten standing up for Australian workers and their families last night.

I noted he isn’t worried about being seen with those nasty Unions (BOO), in fact, he was embracing it.

Good on him. Good on them. The libs can go fuck themselves!

http://www.saveoursubs.com.au

I can understand that there might be a preference to procure submarines that are capable of spending longer then a week in the water every year.

*It’s started to rattle again – back to dry dock
*Can someone turn the volume down
*Even the fish complain about the noise

…but Abbott was a f**kwit for saying they would be built here. He’s getting himself a reputation for being a liar! People are sensitive about that these days.

The most cynical gifting in Australian politics, ever:

Yep, the Australian Government, bought and supported by murdoch inc.

‘He’s getting himself a reputation for being a liar!’

Abbott is punting on the fact that he will lose seats in SA, because of his lying ways, but saving $20 billion will gain him seats elsewhere.

He still has a couple of years up his sleeve and a rabbit in his hat.

Gillard goes before the Royal Commish today.

Betya her first answer will be : “I Don’t Recall””

“”………. when she stood in front of the countries “allegedly” best reporters to answer all of their questions. “”

Yeah…………..completely unannounced so that reporters who were actually investigating the matter (like Hedley Thomas) had no chance of being there

like Hedley Thomas

Yea, the same gutter snipe who today is egging readers to be the judge, not the judge himself.

Obviously, hedley can’t use a phone, can he!

Either that, or he’s got nothing. Still

‘I don’t recall’ …..

talk about true

Yeah she had nothing to hide but she never opened a file on the firm’s system

What a fucking liar !

and I must say I nearly died of boredom.

I can’t wait for TB’s review.

“”AAAAUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!””

Careful……………you are showing the world how ignorant to the consequences that you are

“”The association was set up for payroll deductions and raffles, those kinds of things.””

Question:
Yeah…………………..sure………………………..why didn’t you set up a file you scumbag ?

“…Fair enough, she was Young And Naive…”

Abbott was young & naive when he physically threatened a fellow student, sexually assaulted
another and committed an act of vandalism. But that’s OK he was young and a committed sexist and homophobe.
Daddy paid to make it all go away though.

I’m willing to allow a teenager to call themselves ‘young & naive’

By the time they’re in their mid 30s and it’s a decade and a half since they started at uni, it’s time to use descriptors like- ‘mature & experienced’

The words “credible” and “witness” come to mind. As in, Ms Gillard is not a credible witness.

credible
adjective
able to be believed; convincing

Invoices or receipts!!

Julia’s on the ropes! She says ‘receipts’ and she now says she means both ‘receipts’ and ‘invoices’

It’s a scandal!

That’s right! Wayne Swan paid receipts and took invoices as proof of payment. He also thought budget surpluses were when expenditure was greater than revenue.

I see the lefties are out in force with their stupid captions and stupid slogans.

Must be a leftie thing.

Haven’t other witnesses said Wilson was handing out cash to builders while Gillard was having her house renovated?

Was this a subsidy to her cheques?

My tip is that her political career is finished!

“Its not the results you dope its the method …”

Correct.

Labor method: 13,000 in detention and 1200 people tragically drown at sea.

Liberal method: half as many in detention and two people tragically die in custody.

“Haven’t other witnesses said Wilson was handing out cash to builders while Gillard was having her house renovated?”

Yes, but we don’t like “other witnesses”. We like Our Julia!

Julia’s overseas job pays well and this minor matter in the antipodes is of no importance.

“Ashbygate is certainly more corrupt and sleazy than anything that was discussed today at the RC …”

So say you. IN BOLD!

*Dodgy boyfriend
*Dodgy legal advice provided
*Dodgy slush fund
*Dodgy payment for reno
*Dodgy reason for leaving Slater & Gordon
*Dodgy move into leadership
*Dodgy written commitments to independents
*Dodgy complete confidence in dodgy Thompson
*Dodgy appointment of dodgy Slipper

Why oh why don’t people accept that Julia is nice and non dodgy?

“”And no, I’m not a fan of Gillard’s … never have been …””

ROFLMAO !

“Haven’t other witnesses said Wilson was handing out cash to builders while Gillard was having her house renovated?”

Yes they have………………………but Julia cant seem to recall anything.

In fact other witnesses have now been persuaded…………………I mean have decided……………. that written statements given by them years ago were ………….ummmmm……………………with the benefit of a more distant and fading memory………….not actually true anymore.

And why didn’t she put the file on the system ?

Gillard’s testimony actually had me thinking that Craig Thomson has more credibility

Yep, and she had receipts for the lot.”

…or maybe some invoices, but they’re all the same thing aren’t they?

(can you pay invoices in cash?)

True BC, but they gave her an invoice or a receipt or something

And if they gave her an invoice, that’s clear proof that she paid it with a cheque made out in her own hand!

It might seem trivial but not opening a file on the firm’s system is not a trivial matter

Actually, it is common practice.

According to her own testimony, Ms Gillard arranged none of these tradespeople, and had no prior knowledge of their charges.

Actually, again, that was only on one occasion, and that was because apparently something needed to be done urgently. Really, re-writing statements that were only made today is a early blankety 😉

but they gave her an invoice or a receipt or something

This is your attack, that over a full day of confused and mostly irrelevant questioning, she said invoice, then clarified with receipt. And, on hearing it, she meant invoice, but, to fully clarify her position, said the receipts instead. It’s not like she mixed them up, but used one instead of the other for clarity.

Mind you, this is what the witch hunt has been after all along. There never was anything there, but it will give desperate old white guys months of flaccid relief mixing metaphors and twisting words.

Just don’t stain the sheets.

I’m going to get my house renovated and I’ll be specific!!

I only want receipts – no invoices.

According to Ms Gillard’s own testimony, rumours abounded at Slater and Gordon at the time that unethical or illegal behaviour had occurred in relation to the setting up of the (as described by Ms Gillard) union slush fund.

It’s a pity she has “no recollection” about much of hat stuff

Oh, that’s right, Tom R is a self-declared “rusted on”. I forgot.

He’s not accustomed to actually paying his family’s bills

I wonder if he got three quotes for not paying his daughters fees?

Sorry Lenore, not a hope in hell

Surely this has to be it, the end of this saga at least as it relates to Julia Gillard.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/julia-gillard-surely-union-corruption-saga-must-now-move-on?CMP=soc_568

and the astonishing fact that she received invoices from tradesmen before she paid them, and then afterwards, receipts.

What other dastardly deeds will this witch hunt unearth? Tradies with bum-crack issues?

The incurious Bernard Murphy should be up next.

Gillard satisfied herself that she had paid for the renovations (in part) based on invoices.

That’s interesting, but not a reliable way of auditing records of actual expenditure.

And again, if she uses receipt and invoice as synonyms, it’s no wonder her & Swan couldn’t figure out how to make their budget forecasts work out.

A pretty good summation of yesterdays witch-hunt

The other aim of Counsel Assisting in my opinion was to extract the “I don’t recall” answer from Gillard as many times as possible to make her testimony seem less reliable.

However it was the blunt tone of Gillards response that put Stoljar in his place and highlighted the disrespect and desperation in the line of questioning.

http://wixxyleaks.com/trash-attempts-to-trash-julia-gillards-reputation-fail-in-every-aspect/

What happens when adolts are in charge

Concerns about the federal budget are continuing to weigh on consumer confidence as the Australian economy faces a number of strengthening headwinds.

The Westpac/Melbourne Institute consumer index fell by 4.5% in September to 94 points, the seventh straight month in which it has remained below 100, meaning there are more pessimists about the economy than optimists.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/consumer-confidence-falls-for-seventh-straight-month

Now we know who Michael Gordon votes for.

The invoicegate point was her reference to receipts during her interview/investigation with Peter Gordon while at Slater & Gordon. During that discussion Gillard said she had reviewed her “receipts”. During her evidence yesterday she clarified that she had meant that she had reviewed both invoices and receipts.

Personally, I don’t think counsel hammered her adequately at all on this point. Gillard should still be in the witness box, having grilled for 22 hours with a 200w lamp in her eyes all night.

Then let’s see what she has to say about “invoices”!

But, along with the royal commission into the home insulation scheme, it has set a precedent for witch hunts against politicians that will long reverberate in politics.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/no_gain_just_pain_in_gillard_witch_KUvsvnOmvimiv8NJIcHneK

It should (but I’m a vindictive little bastard)

I can’t see Bill Fix Shorten doing it though.

I do hope that was a slip of the tongue

Careful TB, or he’ll definitely need the sheets cleaned.

The guy was surrounded by “rumours” and somebody like that should never be appointed to a high office like Speaker.

tabots surrounded by “rumours”……

“”… the lack of “outrage” for the Ashbygate Regeneration on channel 9 is so bleedin’ obvious…….””

Actually its not. I said as much a few days ago.

No one caes about that crap anymore. Its old news or old scandal whichever side of the fence you sit.

There is new stuff coming out of ICAC every day. Plenty of far simpler goings on about the LNP and the ALP. Ashbygate if you want to call it that is old and slightly too complex for the average punter to care about.

Didn’t someone once sing “Who wants yesterdays papers……………who reads yesterday’s news””

I think people have been too focussed on who paid for the home renovations.

Invoicegate is difficult to prove because the receipts (aka receipts) aren’t about now.

Personally, my point about Gillard’s behaviour has been she-
*Didn’t seek actual AWU authority in setting up a fund with AWU name
*Drafted rules/objectives that she knew didn’t actually reflect the actual purpose of the association
*Had a personal relationship that has proved to be in serious conflict with her obligations to her actual client (AWU)
*Had a personal relationship that has proved to be in serious conflict with her obligations to her employer

Yesterday only illustrated what we knew.

Gillard provided dubious legal advice to her dishonest lover which proved to be in conflict with her professional obligations.

Gillard provided dubious legal advice to her dishonest lover which proved to be in conflict with her professional obligations.

So her crime was, once in her professional career, she didn’t act entirely professionally.

This is what we spent $50,000,000 on 😯

Imagine if the same was spent on tabots treatment and dealing with

*Hanson
*Slipper
*Book releases
*Asbestos Victims
*Bike Rides
*Uni Fees
*ICAC

And this is all why he was a pollie, not before.

I guess yer sheets are a little disappointed by now, hey yomm 😦

Lack of outrage re Ashby is just damage control by murdoch for his investment – Abbott. He’s got plenty of money to make off him yet!
Not lack of interest its active supression.
Hopefully there’s some digging being done behind the scenes. Independent Australia is crowd funding a private investigator and they
have found a few things.

“”Independent Australia is crowd funding a private investigator and they
have found a few things.””

And who would that be……………..?

No………….let me guess

Wixxy……………………….?

ROFLMAO

No, I’ve never suggested my concerns about Gillard were based on criminality.

ROFL

😯

Haven’t other witnesses said Wilson was handing out cash to builders while Gillard was having her house renovated?

btw, I’m not “suggesting” anything 😉

ROFL

Speaking of whom

New analysis drawing on National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling budget impact models and latest census and Australian Bureau of Statistics data, shows women in low and middle-income households can expect to suffer the biggest financial losses from the Abbott government’s budget savings.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-budget-to-leave-poorer-women-worse-off-20140910-10f4dw.html

Brought to you by the Minister for The Ladies.

“”Brought to you by the Minister for The Ladies.””

And the Australia Insitute so nothing to see there……………….!

One day you might post a Link to a credible article

Troy Bramston (ALP Right Wing Nut Job ……..LOL) in the Australian today

“”WHEN Bill Shorten stood on a flatbed truck to address a union rally at the gates of the Australian Submarine Corporation in Adelaide on Tuesday, he seized on the worst instincts of old Australia and made a pitch to workers that stank with racist and protectionist rhetoric.

It was an inexcusable performance from the Labor leader who should, and does, know better. In opposing the mooted purchase of Japanese submarines, Shorten roused his flag-waving union audience with references to race, fear and protectionism. “”

Shorten is without a doubt Abbott’s greatest weapon

“”She has an established history of being untrustworthy and yesterday’s proceedings only confirmed this.””

I wonder what Robert McLelland thinks of all this

about sums it up… #turc http://t.co/5NunIK2qNo—
TessT (@tessstifychic) September 11, 2014

It’s clear that Gillard was shown the door by Slater & Gordon for good reason. She risked their reputation and damaged their commercial interests by her incompetence or duplicity or a combination of both.

It’s a pity we didn’t know more about her character before she showed the same inclinations as Prime Minister.

‘crystal clear memory only about aspects that strengthened her position’

A selective memory.

Yeah, have you checked the economic numbers in 2007 when Howard lost the election? And why quote economic numbers from 2012 rather than numbers when Labor lost the election in 2013 and unemployment was at 5.8%?

Fact is in 2007 we had unemployment at 4.3% a number not seen since the 1970’s and zero Federal govt debt. We most probably will never get economic numbers like that ever again in our lifetime.

And it should be asked if the economic numbers were so great as Bernard Keane proclaims how come we were running whopping budget deficits. Deficts totally more than $200B in just 6 years.

Mate i hate the ALP and its supporters. Just masters of deceit.

It should be noted that unemployment was above 6% for 13 years under Hawke/keating with 2 years of double digit unemployment.

Rudd/Gillard were handed an economy in 2007 with very few problems.

Mate i hate the ALP and its supporters. Just masters of deceit.

I can state quite categorically, and may I be so presumptuous as to talk on behalf most here at gutter trash, you have no mates here, On the whole the majority of people here consider you a a tedious, monotonous, incessant factually devoid bore….in short you are complete cunt troll.

Squeal Scotnomates

‘THE Australian Bureau of Statistics has come under fire after ­reporting the biggest monthly jump in employment in the 35 years of official records, with market economists slamming the figures as “unbelievable.”

‘The August monthly labour force survey showed 121,000 jobs were created in four weeks, more than the economy had generated in the previous 12 months and ­almost 10 times more than the market was expecting. Almost 90 per cent of the new jobs were part-time.’

Uren / Oz

That’s a pretty extensive and pretty brutal list ao

And, I would guess, in the long run, all this brutality will have been for nothing. 😦

That was it?

*Putting the interests of her fraudster lover in front of her actual client
*Specifically allowing the use of the AWU’s name in an unconnected organisation
*Deliberately drafting AWU WRA rules that were contrary to its real purpose
*Risking the reputation of her employer and her colleagues
*Seriously damaging the commercial interests of her employer
*Fracturing long standing and mutually beneficial relationship between Slater & Gordon and the AWU

People are entitled to judge politicians on their character, and this episode is indicative of Gillard’s. Only the most biased ALP/Gillard barrackers would be unconcerned about this behaviour

Only the most biased ALP/Gillard barrackers would be unconcerned about this behaviour

Only the most biased ALP/Gillard haterz would still be concerned about this behaviour, especially after 20 plus years of NOTHING!

The economy of this government can now be compared to the BS they spouted in Opposition … thanks to these two blogs from, sreb!

Yes TB, they were great posts. I was busy ranting on other things at the time, but you did highlight (with the help of those posts) the shallow and ridiculous nature of the libs position on the economy.

Since when has truth mattered to you?

perhaps egg is implying that he only has friends amongst other complete cunt trolls Ricky?

‘Private debt will always increase, wages will go down or stagnate and jobs will be lost while business profits soar under a coalition government.’

Private debt will increase if business invests using overseas funds as venture capital. Its only money and should be utilised for economic growth.

Wages have plateaued, along with full time jobs, but the situation should turn around when the government begins building utopia.

Only the passage of time and the 5 year document destruction practices of the major banks have saved her

You understand that she has been pursued over this for most of the intervening 20 years

Claiming what you have really can only point to the incompetence of those pursuing, or the complete lack of any evidence.

After seeing the witch hunt the other day though, incompetence cannot be ruled out.

Where oh where is Sir Bedevere when he is most needed

No. There is real difference.

So why conjoin them as you did?

“Buckled” is not an apt term to describe his performance.

I AGREE!

Came to his senses perhaps? Realized that lying under oath is NOT a good idea? 😉

Two others seem very credible to me.

So only half of the those throwing mud at Gillard pass your test. Nice to know. Are you able to highlight what swayed you in their testimony? From my reading, Gillard was able to dispute most of them with actual events. I could have missed something.

I didn’t see the same violent protests when Gillard ripped the guts out of Uni funding to pay for Gonski.

Ripped the guts??

Didn’t they just not increase it by as much as they had planned, yet still increased by more than was previously done?

Mind you, this could be a reason they are so pissed. There is a real danger that e will end up like the yanks

We don’t know exactly how our education system will look on the other side of Pyne’s reforms, should he find a way to sneak them through the Senate.

What we can say with confidence is that they’re taking us closer to a model that has critical flaws, one in which, to quote Oliver one final time, “our leaders have decided that while education is incredibly important it is not important enough to pay for”.

https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/10/drink-beer-shoot-fireworks-out-your-bum-john-olivers-uni-debt-warning

In other news………………

Ian Thorpe and Ricky Martin have signed a magazine deal to tell all about their love for each other

In the old days they called it Smellbourne, but Fatberg isn’t bad.

Right

“Nothing that I have said today … has anything to with religion. This is about crime, potential crime and combating crime.”

He is telling fibs again, or maybe just a white lie to avoid tearing the social fabric.

Satire Alert

http://aussiemadness.com/2014/09/06/breaking-news-nothing-has-anything-to-do-with-islam/

Peak Freo!

(Still mooning at the howl?

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/04/media-challenging-arguments-war-baying-blood/
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/lonewolf-threat-terror-level-increased-security-stepped-up/story-e6frg8yo-1227057217590)

“I wonder, if it was a Republican POTUS would the nutjob boosters be claiming that the US shouldn’t be pulverising ISIS unilaterally?”

Of course not. It’s just the hypocrisy I find deliciously irresistible.

(Not that there’s anything wrong with alcoholism. Is there?)

(Doobeedoobeedoo…

Prime Minister Tony Abbott said the Government has “no specific intelligence” of a plot to mount a terrorist attack. “What we do have is intelligence that there are people with the intent and the capability to mount attacks,” he said.)

Liars Galore

‘Craig Baumann, the member for Port Stephens, in the Hunter region, was forced to move to the crossbenches after he admitted to the commission that he took $79,000 from two developers without declaring it on his electoral return for the 2007 election, instead declaring that the money came from his own company.’

“I inadvertently made a dishonest declaration and I apologise,” Mr Baumann said.

Coultan / Oz

Independence now is timely, there is no danger of economic collapse as China has agreed to buy the place if things go awry. (sarc off)

Getting Gillard: The Royal Commission We Never Had To Have
 By Ben Eltham

The problem for ideologues is that the Royal Commission isn’t about “Getting Gillard”.

It has already been provided with plenty of evidence of union corruption, officials who consider intimidation threats to be tools of trade. There is probably plenty more to come too.

Hopefully it will get to Victoria’s desalination plant, which will uncover misdeeds by the CFMEU and construction partners (which includes Bruce Wilson’s donor). The behaviour of both parties on that project alone warrants a range of IR reforms.

While Gillard managed to obfuscate her way through under polite examination, CFMEU officials and construction managers should not be examined with similar courtesy.

Just as the Cole Royal Commission made appropriate findings and recommendations about the IR in the construction industry over a decade ago, this one should provide a similar platform for reform.
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…and while I’m at it…

While ever unions remain a formal part of the ALP, they will be treated as the enemy of the Liberal Party.

This formal affiliation is the significant reason for the politicisation of industrial relations in Australia.

”While ever big business and developers remain a formal part of the Liberal National Party, they will be treated as the enemy of the ALP.”

That’s the point TB, business maybe influential, and big donors may be influential in a range of unsatisfactory ways. BUT THEY ARE NOT A FORMAL PART OF THE LNP STRUCTURE.

In the USA the Republicans are generally supported by business, the Democrats are more worker aligned. But IR is relatively stable.

It is similar in most of the European democracies.

IR becomes a political football here mainly because unions are a formal part of the ALP.

It’s time for a divorce, amicable or not.

I’m not wanting to emulate the industrial standards of the USA, I’m quite happy with the level of the minimum wage and our overall civilised employment standards, and I’ve never subscribed to the theory that the way to prosperity is through lower wages.

It is simply that the Libs aren’t simply looking for a way to lower employment standards, they are looking to weaken the group that forms the major formal/structural part of their political opponents.

It really is time for IR to be settled, but while unions form part of the ALP, they will be under pressure to legislate specific benefits for them, and the Liberals will spend their term doing the opposite.
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I haven’t been to any Scandinavian country for a long time, but my reaction was that they were terribly expensive places to live, and people seemed to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders.

I put this down to alcohol being expensive.

You might be right Ricky. But taste is personal, and I know what I like For some reason, I like this girl. (Toiletboss wouldn’t like here either, I’m guessing.)

I’ll second that.