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Voters Still Hate Tony Abbott

September 9, 2014

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The Abbott government celebrates its first year in power with a new poll showing that it has suffered a sustained and dramatic loss in both its primary and two-party preferred polling.

Voters are also disenchanted with the leaders of both parties, with satisfaction ratings of Tony Abbott and Bill Shorten tanking over the last twelve months.

The Newspoll, released this morning, shows the Coalition losing more ground with its two-party preferred standing dropping to 48 per cent and Labor up one point to 52 per cent since the last poll two weeks ago.

A rival Roy Morgan poll shows the government making up some ground in the past fortnight, with its two-party preferred polling up one point to 47 per cent, while Labor is down one point to 53 per cent.

The polls, both based on preference flows at the election, mean a swing against the government since the 2013 election of at least 5.5 points.

Labor would be swept into power if an election were held now.

The primary polling looks even worse for the government.

The Coalition won the 2013 election with 45.6 per cent of the primary vote.

Primary polling now puts that vote at between 38 per cent (Roy Morgan) and 39 per cent (Newspoll), a swing against the government of between 6.6 and 7.6 points.

Labor’s primary vote at the election was a dire 33.4 per cent. This has recovered slightly to between 35 per cent (Newspoll) and 37 per cent (Roy Morgan), a swing towards the federal opposition of between 1.6 and 3.6 points.

Labor is helped by the jump in the primary polling for the Greens.

The Greens received 8.6 per cent of the vote at the 2013 election, but the party’s primary polling has now increased to between 10.5 per cent (Roy Morgan) and 14 per cent (Newspoll).

The Palmer United Party had a primary vote of 5.5 per cent in the election and is now at 4.5 per cent, according to Roy Morgan. Newspoll does not split out the PUP vote.

The party polling shows that even though the government has achieved its headline promises to abolish the carbon and mining taxes and “stop the boats”, voters are still unimpressed.

This is despite strong support for the government’s military action in Iraq, with 62 per cent of voters supporting the action taken so far by Prime Minister Tony Abbott, according to Newspoll.

Mr Abbott’s personal standing has recovered slightly in the past fortnight but remains well below the electorate’s initial assessment of him last year.

The first post-election Newspoll, published last October, found almost half of voters (47 per cent) were satisfied with the then new PM’s performance. This compared to 34 per cent who were not satisfied and the one in five, or 19 per cent, who were uncommitted.

Newspoll now has only 35 per cent of voters satisfied with Mr Abbott’s performance. More than half (54 per cent) are dissatisfied with his performance and fewer voters – 11 per cent – are uncommitted.

Bill Shorten’s standing has also slumped in the past year, with a hardening of the views of many uncommitted voters.

Shorten’s satisfaction has increased from 32 per cent last October to its current 36 per cent.

But his dissatisfaction rating has jumped 19 points from 24 per cent in to 43 per cent, with the percentage of uncommitted voters dropping from 44 per cent to 21 per cent since last October.

Mr Abbott is now on equal footing with Mr Shorten as preferred prime minister, with both men preferred by 37 per cent of voters.

Interestingly, more than one in four voters would prefer neither Bill Shorten or Tony Abbott as PM.

 

 

 

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335 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 11:27 am

    Do you fucken blame them?

    Killed the auto industry
    killed the submarine industry
    hit the lowest paid in order to allow foreign businesses to pillage our country.

    I just can’t see where the love will come from. apart from murdoch etal

  2. September 9, 2014 11:41 am

    Not just that Tom, who can forget this:

    No cuts to education.
    No cuts to health.
    No change to pensions.
    No cuts to the ABC or SBS…

  3. Tom R permalink
    September 9, 2014 11:47 am

    or
    Adults in charge 😉

  4. September 9, 2014 11:53 am

    🙂

  5. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 9, 2014 12:16 pm

    Dolts in charge.

  6. egg permalink
    September 9, 2014 3:02 pm

    They will plead ignorance, having not seen the books when they made the promises, but that argument lacks credibility.

    Having lied so profusely they are hoping the electorate will forget.

  7. Prozac permalink
    September 9, 2014 4:57 pm

    I think I’m one of those one in four that really wish we didn’t have to choose between those two. Still would vote for anyone for not being Tony Abbott, though.

    Yeah, I know, that’s how he got elected to begin with…

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    September 9, 2014 6:42 pm

    Prozac, sounds reasonable … g’day!

  9. September 10, 2014 1:27 am

    For a band of moralists that get all twitchy around Homosexuals they are sure doing a fine job of duly bumming everyone without so much as an attempt to lubricate the electorate…
    Yeah I love youz all,
    No just gimme a key and I wont change a thing
    It wont hurt, I promise,just bend over and think of the mother country
    You expect what? Sorry those days are gone?
    I think you misinterpreted what I said
    You dont need a doctor, your just lazy
    Can you lift this for me its a bit heavy
    Its not what god wants
    Its all their fault they spent it all
    You’ll thank me later,

  10. egg permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:02 am

    A pox on both their houses.

    ‘The latest survey also reveals one in four voters don’t want Tony Abbott or Bill Shorten as prime minister, and would give their first preference to the Greens, independents or a minor party.

    ‘The coalition’s primary vote has dropped to 39 per cent, more than six points lower than the 45.6 per cent election result.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2748566/Prime-Minister-Tony-Abbott-s-year-anniversary-marks-fall-voter-support.html#ixzz3Cr2R7hrY
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  11. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:38 am

    Show ’em why you hate ’em

    http://www.saveoursubs.com.au

  12. September 10, 2014 9:25 am

  13. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 9:31 am

    I saw Bill Shorten rallying the submarine troops, on the news last night.

    *Very unimpressive
    *Lots of faux outrage- he should be better at it by now
    *Why does he wear suits with such long sleeves?

  14. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 9:35 am

    Weird Al Yamkovic, “Ode to grodo” 🙂

  15. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 9:38 am

    I saw Bill Shorten standing up for Australian workers and their families last night.

    I noted he isn’t worried about being seen with those nasty Unions (BOO), in fact, he was embracing it.

    Good on him. Good on them. The libs can go fuck themselves!

    http://www.saveoursubs.com.au

  16. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 9:41 am

    JAPANESE submarines could end up costing Australia twice as much as a locally-built product because of their short lifespan, according to the chair of the Advanced Manufacturing Council.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/japanbuilt-soryu-submarines-could-end-up-costing-twice-as-much-as-samade-boats/story-fni6uo1m-1227053168187?nk=953061e57e5ea7febf087fb4b3fda57e

    Like I said, where’s the cost benefit analysis for this? Actually, where are ANY numbers? Or do we just take it a gospel from people who have spent their lives trying to destroy blue collar workers conditions that Australians just aren’t good enough?

    The libs can go fuck themselves!

  17. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 9:48 am

  18. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 9:50 am

    Barry O’Farrell a boomer, Tony Bandle subdued at ICAC hearings
    http://www.afr.com/p/national/barry_farrell_boomer_tony_bandle_0KRj2sU5lp26Cy9XhqXalN

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 9:54 am

    I can understand that there might be a preference to procure submarines that are capable of spending longer then a week in the water every year.

    *It’s started to rattle again – back to dry dock
    *Can someone turn the volume down
    *Even the fish complain about the noise

    …but Abbott was a f**kwit for saying they would be built here. He’s getting himself a reputation for being a liar! People are sensitive about that these days.

  20. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 9:58 am

    wow, fascism is the new democracy when it comes to the libs, all we hear about is terror and how frightened our security agents are. We need our civil liberties to be severely stomped on to save us! Campbell newman just introduced a bill saying that mining applications don’t have to be made public so environmental protection groups are kept out of it.

  21. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:01 am

    The most cynical gifting in Australian politics, ever:

    Yep, the Australian Government, bought and supported by murdoch inc.

  22. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:03 am

    From the libs publicity sector

    You be the judge: it’s the AWU slush fund finale

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/you-be-the-judge-its-the-awu-slush-fund-finale/story-e6frg6zo-1227053188670

    Looks like they just outsourced the judges decision ❓ 😯

  23. egg permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:06 am

    ‘He’s getting himself a reputation for being a liar!’

    Abbott is punting on the fact that he will lose seats in SA, because of his lying ways, but saving $20 billion will gain him seats elsewhere.

    He still has a couple of years up his sleeve and a rabbit in his hat.

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:06 am

    I saw Bill Shorten rallying the submarine troops … etc

    ► Agree

    ► Agree

    ► Fucked if I know and fucked if I care

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:08 am

    I can understand that there might be a preference to procure submarines that are capable of spending longer then a week in the water every year.

    Gotta link? Your just more LNP hyperbole?

  26. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:12 am

    “If you’re going to spend taxpayers’ money, spend it on Australian jobs,” he said.

    “The quality of the work you do does not deserve to be trashed by this fickle, cynical, lying mob.”

    I AGREE!

  27. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:13 am

    Gillard goes before the Royal Commish today.

    Betya her first answer will be : “I Don’t Recall””

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:15 am

    So @brisbanecityqld @ @Team_Quirk are going to fine people in groups of 50 or more who meet in a park without permit.

    And Quirk now refers to Team Brisbane … how quaint Team Oz, Team Qld, Team Brissy … how fkn original … Team Fuckwits™ … and I bet half the voters will back ’em all again … 1936 here we come … astounding …

    Next we’ll be swearing allegiance to Abbott …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yep, the Australian Government, bought and supported by murdoch inc.

    Yeah but wait for the … ‘… what’s yer problem its only a news service …’

    And servicemen died for this shite … I don’t think so …

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:16 am

    Betya her first answer will be : “I Don’t Recall””

    You know everyfing, Wally …

  30. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:16 am

    The LNP have a major advantage going into the next Federal Election.

    His name is Bill Shorten

  31. September 10, 2014 10:20 am

  32. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:28 am

    Betya her first answer will be : “I Don’t Recall””

    I’ll take that bet.

    “I Don’t Recall” her using that phrase very often when she stood in front of the countries “allegedly” best reporters to answer all of their questions. Twice. For a total of almost two hours.

    The only time she does from memory is when an intrepid accuser (oops reporter) asked her whose decision it was to tape the interview.

  33. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:35 am

    “”………. when she stood in front of the countries “allegedly” best reporters to answer all of their questions. “”

    Yeah…………..completely unannounced so that reporters who were actually investigating the matter (like Hedley Thomas) had no chance of being there

  34. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:41 am

    Betya her first reply will be- ‘…but I was young and naive’
    =======
    Nice arrow points TB!

  35. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:43 am

    like Hedley Thomas

    Yea, the same gutter snipe who today is egging readers to be the judge, not the judge himself.

    Obviously, hedley can’t use a phone, can he!

    Either that, or he’s got nothing. Still

  36. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:44 am

    fyi
    Gillard is up now.
    http://commcast.com.au/turc/

  37. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:55 am

  38. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:03 am

    “……………on finest political woman of our time J.Gillard”

    Oh…………pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

    Get me a bucket.

    She’s nothing but a piece of absolute scum

  39. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:05 am

  40. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:06 am

  41. egg permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:06 am

    ‘I don’t recall’ …..

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:07 am

    oops wasn’t meant to copy same tweet x 2

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:12 am

  44. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:19 am

  45. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:23 am

    me too

  46. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:29 am

    wow, talk about misrepresentation

  47. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:30 am

    talk about true

  48. September 10, 2014 11:42 am

    When these powder puff ideology grenades fizzle to reveal the childish vindictiveness of unworthy men, the acrid stench of reality reveals a rotting corpse of truth murdered by the lies of those elected at any cost.

  49. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:42 am

    Yeah she had nothing to hide but she never opened a file on the firm’s system

    What a fucking liar !

  50. September 10, 2014 11:47 am

    Thanks for the link to the live stream Tom.

    I tuned in 20 minutes or so ago, and I must say I nearly died of boredom.

  51. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:55 am

    and I must say I nearly died of boredom.

    I can’t wait for TB’s review.

  52. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:56 am

    she never opened a file on the firm’s system

    AAAAUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!

    😯

    😯

    😯

  53. September 10, 2014 11:57 am

    “I don’t recall”

    Guffaw…

  54. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:59 am
  55. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 12:01 pm

    “”AAAAUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!””

    Careful……………you are showing the world how ignorant to the consequences that you are

  56. September 10, 2014 12:03 pm
  57. September 10, 2014 12:04 pm

    “One does not get the opportunity to go back in time in a time machine”

    GIVE US THE MOLECULES QUOTE!

  58. September 10, 2014 12:05 pm

    “I don’t recall” (again)…

  59. September 10, 2014 12:07 pm
  60. Chook Raffles permalink
    September 10, 2014 12:09 pm

    Gillard: The association was set up for payroll deductions and raffles, those kinds of things.

  61. September 10, 2014 12:10 pm

    PAGE 8!

  62. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 12:13 pm

    “I don’t recall” (again)…

    If you can remember the 90’s, you weren’t really there. 😉

  63. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 12:14 pm

    “”The association was set up for payroll deductions and raffles, those kinds of things.””

    Question:
    Yeah…………………..sure………………………..why didn’t you set up a file you scumbag ?

  64. 20/ permalink
    September 10, 2014 12:16 pm

    “Obviously I would do things differently if I knew then what I know now.”

    Fair enough, she was Young And Naive.

  65. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 12:17 pm

  66. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 12:19 pm

  67. September 10, 2014 12:33 pm

    Julia is channeling her inner Jana Wendt #turc

  68. September 10, 2014 12:37 pm

    Its hardly Perry mason 🙄
    Watching Lawyers argue the toss Literally is about as engaging as a public viewing of Eggs Vagina….

    Whats you question….?
    Blah blag blah…10 minutes later my question is….

    Fishing with ideology is like fucking with a shoelace

  69. September 10, 2014 12:43 pm
  70. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 1:13 pm

    typical theirabc

    Gillard got “wordcloud”

    tabot gets “A year in power”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-10/tony-abbott-one-year-anniversary/5726140

  71. armchair opionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 1:40 pm

    “…Fair enough, she was Young And Naive…”

    Abbott was young & naive when he physically threatened a fellow student, sexually assaulted
    another and committed an act of vandalism. But that’s OK he was young and a committed sexist and homophobe.
    Daddy paid to make it all go away though.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 1:42 pm

    Thanks for the link TomR.

    The most interesting thing I observed during Julia’s evidence is that she has become quite nicely spoken. It’s not quite Toorak but it certainly isn’t – ‘Oid loik ta taayk this obbordunidy ta curekt tha rik-ed’

    Is she now mixing more educated types?

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 1:47 pm

    I’m willing to allow a teenager to call themselves ‘young & naive’

    By the time they’re in their mid 30s and it’s a decade and a half since they started at uni, it’s time to use descriptors like- ‘mature & experienced’

  74. September 10, 2014 1:58 pm

    Gee we didn’t see this coming?
    1 Excuse the 880 million dollar tax bill
    2 Grab the Australian network
    3 Dismantle SBS and the ABC
    4 Grab the NBN

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/media/new-sky-channel-set-to-replace-abcs-australia-network/story-e6frg996-1227050759298#

  75. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 2:13 pm

  76. egg permalink
    September 10, 2014 2:30 pm

    ‘Grab the Australian network’

    It is what it is.

  77. Midnight Espresso permalink
    September 10, 2014 2:35 pm

    The words “credible” and “witness” come to mind. As in, Ms Gillard is not a credible witness.

    credible
    adjective
    able to be believed; convincing

  78. Midnight Espresso permalink
    September 10, 2014 2:36 pm

    “I’m not putting it as a stylised form of art, as you are.”

    That beats the hell out of the “molecule” quote.

  79. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 2:38 pm

    Invoices or receipts!!

    Julia’s on the ropes! She says ‘receipts’ and she now says she means both ‘receipts’ and ‘invoices’

    It’s a scandal!

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 2:48 pm

    If Our former Prime Minister doesn’t understand the difference between receipts and invoices, it’s no wonder that the budget was in a complete mess!

  81. Midnight Espresso permalink
    September 10, 2014 2:54 pm

    That’s right! Wayne Swan paid receipts and took invoices as proof of payment. He also thought budget surpluses were when expenditure was greater than revenue.

  82. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:03 pm

  83. September 10, 2014 3:11 pm

    Tradesmen getting paid in cash???!!! How long has this been going on…??!!

  84. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:11 pm

    lolz

  85. September 10, 2014 3:15 pm

  86. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:25 pm

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:27 pm

    I can’t wait for TB’s review.

    A lawyer went fishing and used the wrong bait … the end

  88. September 10, 2014 3:27 pm

    So funny cause its true

  89. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:28 pm

    I see the lefties are out in force with their stupid captions and stupid slogans.

    Must be a leftie thing.

  90. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:29 pm

    Tradesmen getting paid in cash???!!! How long has this been going on…??!!

    Tradespeople please. Or is it tradespersons? Anyway, I can’t recall …

    …we did get a 10% discount for paying cash though … does that count?

  91. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:31 pm

    I see the righties are out in force with their stupid comments and stupid questions.

    Now Showing: “Reap the Royal Commission”

  92. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:36 pm

  93. September 10, 2014 3:41 pm

    Well that was hilarious! Julia Gillard cool as a cucumber shot them down in flames…

    Abbott will be reeling.

  94. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:41 pm

    I see the lefties are out in force with their stupid captions and stupid slogans.

  95. September 10, 2014 3:42 pm
  96. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:43 pm

    Abbott will be reeling.

    I think you meant “re-loading” 😉

  97. September 10, 2014 3:44 pm

  98. September 10, 2014 3:46 pm
  99. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:48 pm

    So funny cause its true

    Have to disagree, RP … its actually sad because its so true …

    Was women’s liberation really that … or just a way of gaining cheap labour …

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 3:56 pm

    And yet there is a desperate need to stop discussing anything the present government does …

    The asylum seeker policy debate is settled, the coalition has stopped the boats and it’s time to move on, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison will declare.

    In a major speech to the National Press Club on Wednesday to mark one year since the beginning of Operation Sovereign Borders, Mr Morrison will say the ‘grand policy experiment’ of the last decade is over.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2750155/We-ve-effectively-stopped-boats-Scott-Morrison-declare-end-asylum-seeker-debate-major-speech.html

    Its not the results you dope its the method …

    Imagine a business being turned around by an unscrupulous manager underpaying the workers … mmmmm … imagine a government taking assistance away from its weaker citizens to pay over the retail price for damaged toys …

  101. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:05 pm

    Haven’t other witnesses said Wilson was handing out cash to builders while Gillard was having her house renovated?

    Was this a subsidy to her cheques?

    My tip is that her political career is finished!

  102. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:06 pm

    “Imagine a business being turned around by an unscrupulous manager underpaying the workers “”

    Pretty pathetic analogy……………………grasping at straws…………….any straws…………………at all…………………..again

    Has Morrison ben found guilty of any illegality…………………………..Nope

    And spare us the UN speculation or the cries of hysteria from Burnside , Sarah Dopehead Young et al

    You don’t like the method because the fewer bodies there are the angrier you become

  103. Dope Ring permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:08 pm

    “Its not the results you dope its the method …”

    Correct.

    Labor method: 13,000 in detention and 1200 people tragically drown at sea.

    Liberal method: half as many in detention and two people tragically die in custody.

  104. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:08 pm

    “”My tip is that her political career is finished!””

    And History will always carry a deserved black mark upon her integrity and honesty. Not that she had any

  105. Uvver Witness permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:11 pm

    “Haven’t other witnesses said Wilson was handing out cash to builders while Gillard was having her house renovated?”

    Yes, but we don’t like “other witnesses”. We like Our Julia!

  106. September 10, 2014 4:18 pm

    Get over Fiberal sycophants you’ve had your go on the horse..its flogged… nothing to see move on. You tried and miserably failed..

    Apparently Malcolm in the muddle is the minister for “Communications”?
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/turnbull-pushes-community-tv-off-airwaves-and-onto-internet/story-e6frg906-1227053763033?nk=b8591c4d0a47cc9c8c3ae935ee043f57

  107. egg permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:29 pm

    Julia’s overseas job pays well and this minor matter in the antipodes is of no importance.

  108. September 10, 2014 4:30 pm
  109. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:30 pm

    Pretty pathetic analogy … yeah, so pathetic it happens constantly … in fact one PM helped his brother out for doing … if I RECALL

    And History will always carry a deserved black mark upon her integrity and honesty.

    Hilarious … and Abbott will go down in history as what, exactly … 🙄

    ================================

    Yes, but we don’t like “other witnesses”.

    er, what the witnesses saw was “evidence” of what tho’?

    And no, I’m not a fan of Gillard’s … never have been … but muckraking is just time and economically draining on the country especially when we have such a massive budget emergency …

    Hypocrisy writ large …

    Ashbygate is certainly more corrupt and sleazy than anything that was discussed today at the RC …

    These are the people who need to be seriously investigated by the AFP …
    about their BEHAVIOUR … and then brought before a Royal Commission …

    1. WYATT – LNP

    2. PYNE – LNP

    3. BROUGH – LNP

    4. ABBOTT – LNP

    5. ASHBY

    6. ASHBY’s photo-happy “associate”

  110. Uvver Witness permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:38 pm

    They hardly laid a glove on Our Julia. She’s been cleared of any wrongdoing!

    (Is it cool to post your own tweets on someone else’s blog?)

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:40 pm

    From RP’s link re Communications …

    Malcolm Turnbull

    “Some community television representatives, acknowledging that the internet is their ultimate home, have nonetheless argued that they should not be ‘rushed into the new media world’. The internet is not new. It is the universal uber-platform to which most people in Australia are connected 24/7.”

    So why slow down the NBN … if its the über platform … more hypocrisy writ large … the muddled messages from this government are constant … in fact its the only constant in the whole schmozzle of gaffes ..

  112. September 10, 2014 4:42 pm

    They hardly laid a glove on Our Julia”

    #Funfacts:

    That’s because they didn’t have a leg to stand on.

  113. Invoicegate permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:43 pm

    “Ashbygate is certainly more corrupt and sleazy than anything that was discussed today at the RC …”

    So say you. IN BOLD!

  114. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:43 pm

    “Ashbygate is certainly more corrupt and sleazy than anything that was discussed today at the RC …”

    Yeah and it was Gillard who appointed Slipper as speaker.

    Need i say more.

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:44 pm

    (Is it cool to post your own tweets on someone else’s blog?)

    Is it pedantic to even ask?

  116. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:45 pm

    Need i say more.

    No, please …

    Gillard has nothing to do with an LNP conspiracy …

  117. September 10, 2014 4:45 pm
  118. September 10, 2014 4:46 pm

    (Is it cool to post your own tweets on someone else’s blog?)

    I don’t mind…. #Justsayin

  119. TB Queensland permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:48 pm

    So say you. IN BOLD!

    Holy fuck, Batman! You noticed?

  120. Desperately Seeking permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:48 pm

    Ashbygate, the movie.

    (No laws were broken in the making of this conspiracy theory.)

  121. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:48 pm

    *Dodgy boyfriend
    *Dodgy legal advice provided
    *Dodgy slush fund
    *Dodgy payment for reno
    *Dodgy reason for leaving Slater & Gordon
    *Dodgy move into leadership
    *Dodgy written commitments to independents
    *Dodgy complete confidence in dodgy Thompson
    *Dodgy appointment of dodgy Slipper

    Why oh why don’t people accept that Julia is nice and non dodgy?

  122. Ask Me permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:50 pm

    There’s nothing voluntary about appearing before a royal commission. (Just thought I’d clear that up.)

  123. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:51 pm

    “”And no, I’m not a fan of Gillard’s … never have been …””

    ROFLMAO !

  124. September 10, 2014 4:55 pm

    “There’s nothing voluntary about appearing before a royal commission.”

    Good point.

  125. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:55 pm

    “Haven’t other witnesses said Wilson was handing out cash to builders while Gillard was having her house renovated?”

    Yes they have………………………but Julia cant seem to recall anything.

    In fact other witnesses have now been persuaded…………………I mean have decided……………. that written statements given by them years ago were ………….ummmmm……………………with the benefit of a more distant and fading memory………….not actually true anymore.

    And why didn’t she put the file on the system ?

  126. egg permalink
    September 10, 2014 4:59 pm

    ‘Hilarious … and Abbott will go down in history as what, exactly … ‘

    The Infrastructure PM

  127. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 5:01 pm

    Gillard’s testimony actually had me thinking that Craig Thomson has more credibility

  128. September 10, 2014 5:58 pm

  129. September 10, 2014 6:05 pm

    LOL…

  130. Shape Shifting Troll permalink
    September 10, 2014 6:05 pm

    Poor Ricky. People are being mean.

  131. September 10, 2014 6:06 pm

    #wally and Tom are pretty to watch when they have nothin.. they get all self righteous and hyperventilate like their about to blow a gasket..

  132. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 6:30 pm

    “Haven’t other witnesses said Wilson was handing out cash to builders while Gillard was having her house renovated?”

    That was canvassed today, which Gillard responded to with wtte, “you have seen their record of inaccurate statements, so compare them with mine, and draw your conclusion”. The badgering stopped at that point.

    Yes they have………………………but Julia cant seem to recall anything.

    Actually, Gillard very pointedly said that she paid for everything herself, by cheque.

  133. September 10, 2014 6:31 pm

    “Gillard very pointedly said that she paid for everything herself, by cheque.”

    Yep, and she had receipts for the lot.*

    *Fun facts.

  134. Walrus permalink
    September 10, 2014 6:36 pm

    “”……..#wally and Tom are pretty to watch when they have nothin.. “”

    RP

    If you have ever worked in a Accountancy or Law firm office in the 1980s or 1990s (predating the wide use of desktop computing) you’d actually realise how much Gillard has been testing the laws of credibility.

    It might seem trivial but not opening a file on the firm’s system is not a trivial matter as it involves possible conflicts of interest with other partners clients, and partnership insurance concerns, plus not to mention billable and non billable time shifting to other non related clients.

    With the exception of those convcted of offences of which there have been plenty she’s certainly the most maverick “partner” I’ve ever heard of.

    Her evidence is just not credible but when its a case of “”he said she said”” and Ï don’t recall”” nothing more will come of this.

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 6:38 pm

    Yep, and she had receipts for the lot.”

    …or maybe some invoices, but they’re all the same thing aren’t they?

    (can you pay invoices in cash?)

  136. Blank Cheque permalink
    September 10, 2014 6:44 pm

    “Gillard very pointedly said that she paid for everything herself, by cheque.”

    Which was very young and naive trusting of her. According to her own testimony, Ms Gillard arranged none of these tradespeople, and had no prior knowledge of their charges.

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 6:47 pm

    True BC, but they gave her an invoice or a receipt or something

    And if they gave her an invoice, that’s clear proof that she paid it with a cheque made out in her own hand!

  138. September 10, 2014 6:57 pm
  139. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:03 pm

    It might seem trivial but not opening a file on the firm’s system is not a trivial matter

    Actually, it is common practice.

    According to her own testimony, Ms Gillard arranged none of these tradespeople, and had no prior knowledge of their charges.

    Actually, again, that was only on one occasion, and that was because apparently something needed to be done urgently. Really, re-writing statements that were only made today is a early blankety 😉

    but they gave her an invoice or a receipt or something

    This is your attack, that over a full day of confused and mostly irrelevant questioning, she said invoice, then clarified with receipt. And, on hearing it, she meant invoice, but, to fully clarify her position, said the receipts instead. It’s not like she mixed them up, but used one instead of the other for clarity.

    Mind you, this is what the witch hunt has been after all along. There never was anything there, but it will give desperate old white guys months of flaccid relief mixing metaphors and twisting words.

    Just don’t stain the sheets.

  140. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:06 pm

    I wonder, were those questing questions today the questions in question?

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:06 pm

    I’m going to get my house renovated and I’ll be specific!!

    I only want receipts – no invoices.

  142. Our Joolia permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:09 pm

    “Actually, again, that was only on one occasion, and that was because apparently something needed to be done urgently. Really, re-writing statements that were only made today is a early blankety ;)”

    Incorrect, but we can go to the transcripts when they’re ready.

    (Is there anything Labor’s ever done that Tom R won’t defend to the death? Barrackers-R-Us.)

  143. Don't Remember permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:18 pm

    According to Ms Gillard’s own testimony, rumours abounded at Slater and Gordon at the time that unethical or illegal behaviour had occurred in relation to the setting up of the (as described by Ms Gillard) union slush fund.

    It’s a pity she has “no recollection” about much of hat stuff

  144. armchair opionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:23 pm

  145. WD40 permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:24 pm

    Oh, that’s right, Tom R is a self-declared “rusted on”. I forgot.

  146. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:33 pm

    I only want receipts – no invoices.

    Sorry, but you’ll probably get both. It’s how reality works.

    Incorrect, but we can go to the transcripts when they’re ready.

    Should be riveting. I’m guessing the oz will be releasing the abridged version like the news did tonight

    “I don’t recall” was apparently all she said. Forget that most of these recollections were over minuscule details of over 20 years ago.

    Oh, that’s right, Tom R is a self-declared “rusted on”. I forgot.

    Cope with it, and go to the argument instead. I, I forgot, there is none, isn’t this now supposed to be over? (ROFL)

  147. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:35 pm

    He’s not accustomed to actually paying his family’s bills

    I wonder if he got three quotes for not paying his daughters fees?

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:41 pm

    I think Ms Gillard said that when she talked about “receipts” she meant “receipts and invoices”

    She said she relied on these receipts (and invoices) to determine to her own satisfaction that she had coughed up a cheque.

    If she had a collection of bit of paper that included (in part) invoices, that’s not actually evidence that she paid for anything

  149. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:42 pm

    Sorry Lenore, not a hope in hell

    Surely this has to be it, the end of this saga at least as it relates to Julia Gillard.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/julia-gillard-surely-union-corruption-saga-must-now-move-on?CMP=soc_568

    and the astonishing fact that she received invoices from tradesmen before she paid them, and then afterwards, receipts.

    What other dastardly deeds will this witch hunt unearth? Tradies with bum-crack issues?

  150. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:43 pm

    that’s not actually evidence that she paid for anything

    As opposed to ….

  151. egg permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:50 pm

    The incurious Bernard Murphy should be up next.

  152. September 10, 2014 7:51 pm
  153. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 10, 2014 7:51 pm

    Gillard satisfied herself that she had paid for the renovations (in part) based on invoices.

    That’s interesting, but not a reliable way of auditing records of actual expenditure.

    And again, if she uses receipt and invoice as synonyms, it’s no wonder her & Swan couldn’t figure out how to make their budget forecasts work out.

  154. September 10, 2014 7:52 pm

    “It’s how reality works.”

    That’s gold! 🙂

  155. September 10, 2014 7:55 pm

    “That’s interesting, but not a reliable way of auditing records of actual expenditure.”

    So did the qualified lawyers questioning her have any evidence to the contrary?

    Here’s a hint:

    No.

  156. Tom R permalink
    September 10, 2014 8:47 pm

    but not a reliable way of auditing records of actual expenditure.

    I’m sorry, wasn’t this all about a personal renovation?

    “auditing records” lol

    So did the qualified lawyers questioning her have any evidence to the contrary?

    Those bozzos were qualified ❓ 😯

  157. September 10, 2014 9:52 pm

  158. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:18 pm

    She’s a gutsy woman, gillard. grace, strength and dignity under more pressure than any of our male pollies would ever submit themselves to.That fkn cowardly mongrel abbott would run a mile from one.

  159. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 10:37 pm

  160. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 10, 2014 11:18 pm

    Julia Gillard: surely the union corruption saga must now move on without her?
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/julia-gillard-surely-union-corruption-saga-must-now-move-on?CMP=soc_568

    …The day began with evidence that could have been difficult for Gillard, a statement from former Health Services Union official Robert Elliott that Gillard had offered to help him and another official, now his wife, set up what sounded like another “slush fund” – a fundraising entity for union elections, which would be labelled as an “occupational health and safety fund”…
    …But on Wednesday he said he had been mistaken, that he had conflated different conversations and that he was “deeply distressed” to be giving evidence about statements he now believed to be false. Gillard denied she had any such conversation with Elliott….
    …But even without the authority of office, even under oath, even under a whole day’s questioning by some of the best lawyers in the land, these allegations have progressed no further…

  161. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 6:25 am

    A pretty good summation of yesterdays witch-hunt

    The other aim of Counsel Assisting in my opinion was to extract the “I don’t recall” answer from Gillard as many times as possible to make her testimony seem less reliable.

    This was done by asking ridiculously minute details of conversations that may or may not have taken place two decades ago, or mundane details of what sections of an act were used to form part of legal advice, and where the witnessing of documents took place and who was in attendance at the time. Questions that given the passage of time involved would be almost impossible to give exact answers on. Gillard eventually gave this response that resulted in cheers and laughs in the media room.

    “My evidence is that I was a busy solicitor across the years in which I practised as a lawyer. I would have witnessed thousands of documents. I do not have specific recall of, you know, each and every document I witnessed and the circumstances, you know, which room, which desk, what I was wearing, I don’t have that kind of recall, but I witnessed documents appropriately.”

    This led to this question from Stoljar which resulted in an answer from Gillard causing a roar of laughter from those in the media room

    Stoljar: What about your practice in respect of dating a particular document? Did you have any practice in that regard?

    Gillard: You put the right date on a document

    However it was the blunt tone of Gillards response that put Stoljar in his place and highlighted the disrespect and desperation in the line of questioning.

    http://wixxyleaks.com/trash-attempts-to-trash-julia-gillards-reputation-fail-in-every-aspect/

  162. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 8:19 am

    Well Lenore, I did tell you 😦

  163. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 8:23 am

    What happens when adolts are in charge

    Concerns about the federal budget are continuing to weigh on consumer confidence as the Australian economy faces a number of strengthening headwinds.

    The Westpac/Melbourne Institute consumer index fell by 4.5% in September to 94 points, the seventh straight month in which it has remained below 100, meaning there are more pessimists about the economy than optimists.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/consumer-confidence-falls-for-seventh-straight-month

  164. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 8:28 am

    And another quick reminder on the nature of reality for #invoiceyommreceipt

    “What? You say that – I’m sorry – you say invoices were given to you?” he asked, pressing that this was a departure from her previous statements about receiving receipts.

    “I think there is a series of things you get from tradespeople. You get their bill, you pay their bill and then you get a receipt for the moneys paid,” she patiently explained.

    “Well, some people do. But do you say in your evidence now that you received invoices from these tradesmen?” Mr Stoljar hit back.

    “Yes, I do.”

    The counsel assisting then challenged her to point to where she had previously referred to receiving invoices, as opposed to receipts.

    “You’ve been answering questions about these issues for many years, correct?”

    “I most certainly have, Mr Stoljar.”

    “And you never before have suggested you had anything from these tradesmen but receipts?”

    It took the former High Court judge who is heading the commission, Dyson Heydon QC, to point Mr Stoljar to two references to invoices in witness statements. Then Ms Gillard said what many home renovators would consider the obvious: “I would only have had had a series of receipts if I had been invoiced and knew how much to pay.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/dignified-in-the-dock-julia-gillard-checks-attack-on-invoices-20140910-10f3po.html

  165. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 11, 2014 8:38 am

    Now we know who Michael Gordon votes for.

  166. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 8:55 am

    Now we know who Michael Gordon votes for.

    The Reality Party? 😯

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2014 9:00 am

    The invoicegate point was her reference to receipts during her interview/investigation with Peter Gordon while at Slater & Gordon. During that discussion Gillard said she had reviewed her “receipts”. During her evidence yesterday she clarified that she had meant that she had reviewed both invoices and receipts.

    Personally, I don’t think counsel hammered her adequately at all on this point. Gillard should still be in the witness box, having grilled for 22 hours with a 200w lamp in her eyes all night.

    Then let’s see what she has to say about “invoices”!

  168. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 9:25 am

    yesterday she clarified that she had meant that she had reviewed both invoices and receipts.

    And then we can start on hte Quotes (or lack thereof)

    “I would only have had had a series of receipts if I had been invoiced and knew how much to pay.”

    ROFL

  169. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 9:28 am

    But, along with the royal commission into the home insulation scheme, it has set a precedent for witch hunts against politicians that will long reverberate in politics.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/no_gain_just_pain_in_gillard_witch_KUvsvnOmvimiv8NJIcHneK

    It should (but I’m a vindictive little bastard)

    I can’t see Bill Fix Shorten doing it though.

  170. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2014 9:35 am

    Personally, I don’t think counsel hammered her adequately at all on this point.

    I do hope that was a slip of the tongue … in your cheek …

  171. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 9:38 am

    I do hope that was a slip of the tongue

    Careful TB, or he’ll definitely need the sheets cleaned.

  172. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 9:39 am

  173. armchair opionator permalink
    September 11, 2014 9:45 am

  174. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 9:48 am

    NewsLtd & Abbott Regime are operating at the same level as pornographer Pickering & Tinfoil Michael Smith

    I think most of us already knew that though ao, but now it is out there on public display 😉

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2014 10:30 am

    The Mates’ Club has been pretty obvious for some time … and the confected “issues” are actually having the reverse effect on the general public …

    … from a personal perspective one of my family was quite anti-ALP after the Gillard coup … and became very pro Liberal … the budget opened a couple of eyes and the change while not miraculous is a definite … ” … these bastards are worse than the last lot! …etc”

    … the lack of “outrage” for the Ashbygate Regeneration on channel 9 is so bleedin’ obvious I’m waiting for one of the kids at the kindergarten pollie stops to ask a question …

    Journalism, like democracy (did we ever have it?) and capitalism have all been bastardised by the chase for the mighty dollar … we even had to call our currency the same as the Septic Tanks …

  176. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 11, 2014 10:42 am

    ” the lack of “outrage” for the Ashbygate Regeneration on channel 9 is so bleedin’ obvious

    The only thing people should be outraged about is that Gillard appointed Slipper as speaker.

    The guy was surrounded by “rumours” and somebody like that should never be appointed to a high office like Speaker.

    Worse, the previous speaker (Jenkins) had the respect of both sides of politics.

    It may have been clever politics by Labor but it is not the way to treat Parliament.

  177. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 11:03 am

    The guy was surrounded by “rumours” and somebody like that should never be appointed to a high office like Speaker.

    tabots surrounded by “rumours”……

  178. Tony permalink
    September 11, 2014 11:04 am

    Yesterday’s TURC transcripts are up:

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Transcripts/Documents/turc-transcript-10september2014.pdf

  179. Walrus permalink
    September 11, 2014 11:06 am

    “”… the lack of “outrage” for the Ashbygate Regeneration on channel 9 is so bleedin’ obvious…….””

    Actually its not. I said as much a few days ago.

    No one caes about that crap anymore. Its old news or old scandal whichever side of the fence you sit.

    There is new stuff coming out of ICAC every day. Plenty of far simpler goings on about the LNP and the ALP. Ashbygate if you want to call it that is old and slightly too complex for the average punter to care about.

    Didn’t someone once sing “Who wants yesterdays papers……………who reads yesterday’s news””

  180. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 11:10 am

    Yesterday’s TURC transcripts are up:

    Yep, so that tosy 😉

    It was quite a major renovation; correct?
    A. It was the biggest single renovation I had done at
    this home.

    but, not the only one, just the biggest to that date.

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2014 12:15 pm

    I think people have been too focussed on who paid for the home renovations.

    Invoicegate is difficult to prove because the receipts (aka receipts) aren’t about now.

    Personally, my point about Gillard’s behaviour has been she-
    *Didn’t seek actual AWU authority in setting up a fund with AWU name
    *Drafted rules/objectives that she knew didn’t actually reflect the actual purpose of the association
    *Had a personal relationship that has proved to be in serious conflict with her obligations to her actual client (AWU)
    *Had a personal relationship that has proved to be in serious conflict with her obligations to her employer

    Yesterday only illustrated what we knew.

    Gillard provided dubious legal advice to her dishonest lover which proved to be in conflict with her professional obligations.

  182. armchair opionator permalink
    September 11, 2014 12:19 pm

    “… Ashbygate if you want to call it that is old and slightly too complex for the average punter to care about…”

    Exactly how ‘renogate’ shouldve been treated. That is much much older news. Ashby is recent memory and directly related to how abbott & co conducted themselves to gain office plus possible criminality.

  183. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 12:25 pm

    Gillard provided dubious legal advice to her dishonest lover which proved to be in conflict with her professional obligations.

    So her crime was, once in her professional career, she didn’t act entirely professionally.

    This is what we spent $50,000,000 on 😯

    Imagine if the same was spent on tabots treatment and dealing with

    *Hanson
    *Slipper
    *Book releases
    *Asbestos Victims
    *Bike Rides
    *Uni Fees
    *ICAC

    And this is all why he was a pollie, not before.

    I guess yer sheets are a little disappointed by now, hey yomm 😦

  184. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 12:27 pm

    Oh yea, and Ashby, thanks ao 😉

    Maybe we should have another Royal Commission

    The Block: GlassHouses!

    Gillard can bring the first bag of Rocks 🙂

  185. armchair opionator permalink
    September 11, 2014 12:29 pm

    Lack of outrage re Ashby is just damage control by murdoch for his investment – Abbott. He’s got plenty of money to make off him yet!
    Not lack of interest its active supression.
    Hopefully there’s some digging being done behind the scenes. Independent Australia is crowd funding a private investigator and they
    have found a few things.

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2014 12:32 pm

    No, I’ve never suggested my concerns about Gillard were based on criminality. It has always been that she is dodgy/shady/untrustworthy.

    She has an established history of being untrustworthy and yesterday’s proceedings only confirmed this.

  187. Walrus permalink
    September 11, 2014 12:36 pm

    “”Independent Australia is crowd funding a private investigator and they
    have found a few things.””

    And who would that be……………..?

    No………….let me guess

    Wixxy……………………….?

    ROFLMAO

  188. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2014 12:41 pm

    Wicks will find – ‘they shared an office!’

  189. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 12:59 pm

    No, I’ve never suggested my concerns about Gillard were based on criminality.

    ROFL

    😯

    Haven’t other witnesses said Wilson was handing out cash to builders while Gillard was having her house renovated?

    Was this a subsidy to her cheques?

    ……….
    If she had a collection of bit of paper that included (in part) invoices, that’s not actually evidence that she paid for anything

    ………

    That’s interesting, but not a reliable way of auditing records of actual expenditure.

    btw, I’m not “suggesting” anything 😉

    ROFL

  190. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:01 pm

  191. September 11, 2014 1:02 pm

    “I think people have been too focussed on who paid for the home renovations.”

    Oh the irony…

  192. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:15 pm

    Oh the irony…

    For those housewives who are at home doing that 🙂

  193. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:16 pm

    Speaking of whom

    New analysis drawing on National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling budget impact models and latest census and Australian Bureau of Statistics data, shows women in low and middle-income households can expect to suffer the biggest financial losses from the Abbott government’s budget savings.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-budget-to-leave-poorer-women-worse-off-20140910-10f4dw.html

    Brought to you by the Minister for The Ladies.

  194. September 11, 2014 1:18 pm

    “For those housewives who are at home doing that”

    chortle

  195. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:32 pm

  196. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:33 pm

  197. Walrus permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:36 pm

    “”Brought to you by the Minister for The Ladies.””

    And the Australia Insitute so nothing to see there……………….!

    One day you might post a Link to a credible article

  198. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:40 pm

    One day you might post a Link to a credible article

    One day you might be able to accept that the truth is credible 😉

  199. Walrus permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:46 pm

    Troy Bramston (ALP Right Wing Nut Job ……..LOL) in the Australian today

    “”WHEN Bill Shorten stood on a flatbed truck to address a union rally at the gates of the Australian Submarine Corporation in Adelaide on Tuesday, he seized on the worst instincts of old Australia and made a pitch to workers that stank with racist and protectionist rhetoric.

    It was an inexcusable performance from the Labor leader who should, and does, know better. In opposing the mooted purchase of Japanese submarines, Shorten roused his flag-waving union audience with references to race, fear and protectionism. “”

    Shorten is without a doubt Abbott’s greatest weapon

  200. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:48 pm

    If someone from the oz reckons BillFix Shorten is doing a bad job, then good on BillFix, he must be doing something right 😉

  201. Walrus permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:51 pm

    “”She has an established history of being untrustworthy and yesterday’s proceedings only confirmed this.””

    I wonder what Robert McLelland thinks of all this

  202. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 1:58 pm

  203. September 11, 2014 2:39 pm
  204. armchair opionator permalink
    September 11, 2014 2:41 pm

    Now that the ‘get em’ precedent has been set, i hope to see plenty of them when the libs are tossed.

  205. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 2:51 pm
  206. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 11, 2014 3:21 pm

    Gillard was good at dating … other womens’ husbands.

  207. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 11, 2014 4:29 pm

    It’s clear that Gillard was shown the door by Slater & Gordon for good reason. She risked their reputation and damaged their commercial interests by her incompetence or duplicity or a combination of both.

    It’s a pity we didn’t know more about her character before she showed the same inclinations as Prime Minister.

  208. Walrus permalink
    September 11, 2014 4:41 pm

    And its amazing how she had crystal clear memory only about aspects that strengthened her position but when asked about aspects that might lead to a less comfortable position she uttered ” I don’t recall”” rather than risk perjury if incriminating evidence could have possibly be put in front of her.

    Funny how all those WA Corporate Affairs docs went missing………………funny how she didn’t open a file on the system……………………….funny how she couldn’t guarantee at her exit interview that fraudulent monies might have been spent on her properties but now she’s certain they were not.

    Yeah…………………funny about that

    She is just a grubby liar ……….and History will look at her in that light

  209. egg permalink
    September 11, 2014 5:07 pm

    ‘crystal clear memory only about aspects that strengthened her position’

    A selective memory.

  210. egg permalink
    September 11, 2014 6:22 pm

    ‘She is just a grubby liar ……….and History will look at her in that light’

    Maybe, in a local context, but on the international stage Jools is working for Global Partnership for Education, helping to get some 57 million children into schools. So its highly likely historians will see her in a different light, depending on their selective memory and partisanship.

  211. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2014 6:28 pm

    … she is dodgy/shady/untrustworthy.

    She has an established history of being untrustworthy and yesterday’s proceedings only confirmed this. ,?I>

    Burden of proof, ToM … you disappoint me … the shallowness of your “evidence” sounds like the losing team on a high school debate …

    I have known/know a number of people who fall into that category … strangely enough not surprisingly devoted Catholics … and more than a few managers whose religious intent was always unclear to me …

    The walrus just ejaculates whenever it feels like it …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ‘crystal clear memory only about aspects that strengthened her position’

    A selective memory.

    Oh, dear … 🙄 …

    It’s a pity we didn’t know more about her character…

    Pot, kettle and very black …

    Always amuses me when thieves call others thieves and liars call others liars and nasty people call others nasty people …

  212. Tom R permalink
    September 11, 2014 6:52 pm

    Funny that after 20 years of various vested interests pursuing her relentlessly over this, no one can produce ANY evidence of wrong doing.

    Yeah…………………funny about that 😉

  213. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2014 6:53 pm

    Mmmmm …

    That’s because although the number of people with jobs posted its biggest percentage rise for 23 years, the number of hours they worked barely moved in August.
    Total hours worked, after seasonal adjustment, rose to 1.610 billion in August from 1.609 billion hours in July – an increase of less than 0.01 per cent.

    The discrepancy between the sharp rise in employment and the stagnation in hours worked is explained by the faster rise in part-time employment in August, 3.0 per cent compared with just 0.2 per cent for full-time employment.

    Part-time workers made up 30.2 per cent of the employed workforce in July, but that jumped to 30.8 per cent in August.

    As a result, the average number of hours worked per employee fell by one hour and 26 minutes, or one per cent, to 137 hours and 31 minutes, almost exactly offsetting growth in the number of workers.

    According to the bureau’s trend figures, for every 100 people now being added to the labour force, the number of people employed is rising by 70, of which 51 are part-timers and 19 are full-timers
    That only looks like a strong labour market if you don’t look too hard.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/employment-up-but-hours-worked-unchanged/story-e6frfkur-1227055684046

    (my bold)

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2014 7:03 pm

    Factcheck

    June 12, 2012

    The Coalition’s relentless negativity about the state of the Australian economy and prospects for future growth have finally backfired in the wake of new figures that show economic growth, consumer spending and business confidence are all strong.

    The Opposition insists that the government’s carbon tax which takes effect from July 1 would be the equivalent of an economic Armageddon for Australia stifling Australian businesses everywhere, wreaking havoc amongst consumers and destroying the nation’s international competitiveness.

    It’s a line that was still being trotted out by Greg Hunt this morning, despite the inconvenient facts of ABS data that confirms nothing could be further from the truth.

    According to the latest figures from the ABS, inflation is sitting neatly in between 2 and 3 per cent; unemployment, as at April, was 4.9 per cent; and annual GDP growth up to March this year had clocked in at 4.3 per cent.

    In addition, interest rates remain at record lows, despite claims from former PM John Howard who made the infamous and now disproven claim that “interest rates would always be lower under a Coalition government.”

    Despite the strong figures, both Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and PM Julia Gillard remain immensely unpopular among voters, with Ms Gillard marginally less unpalatable than Mr Abbott by a margin of 4 points as preferred Prime Minister.

    “I’m unpopular because I’m the bearer of bad tidings,” said Abbott.

    No Tony, you’re unpopular because you’re a cnut.

    Chuckle … and you wonder why people are so disillusioned … we’re doing so much better at the end of 2014 … aren’t we?

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2014 7:06 pm

    June 2012

    The nation’s economy is surging ahead with new GDP figures surpassing expectations and confirming that the Australian economy is now growing a rate not seen since before the GFC.

    ABS figures show the economy grew by a solid 1.3% in the quarter – faster than even the most optimistic of market forecasts of about 0.6%, and on an annual basis, by 4.3% in the 12 months to March, again much faster than 3.3% market forecasts.

    As Bernard Keane at Crikey notes, the figures are well above trend:

    “Remember, this is historical data — it’s for the first three months to the end of March. It covers a period when retail sales grew better than many forecasts had expected, but came despite a surge in the current account deficit that cut GDP growth by 0.5% (it was a negative 0.3% in the December quarter). “

    “It also came despite the weakening in commodity prices (such as iron ore), the sharp fall in mining company profits in the quarter and weaker demand in some sectors of the domestic economy. The annual rate is well above the trend rate for the economy of 3.25%. Trend GDP growth in the year to March was 3.6%.”

    The ABS also revised its figures for all of 2011 from 2.3% to 2.5%. The December quarter figure of 0.4% was lifted to 0.6% growth and September was boosted to 1% from the revised 0.8% in the December accounts. The June quarter remained unchanged at 1.4%. The March, 2011 quarter which saw the impact of the Queensland floods, was changed to a negative 0.5%, compared to the previous 0.9% and the original minus 1.2%.

    The GDP figures effectively trash the claims of economic doomsayers most notably Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott who insist that the economy is struggling.

    Joe Hockey fronted to the media in response to the figures declaring that while the figures couldn’t be ignored, it was the sign of a “bad government.” It was an embarrassing attempt to portray black as white.

    As Katharine Murphy at Fairfax notes, good economic news is just that. Good.

    Nevertheless, poor old Joe was “forced to flick the default personality switch from ”generally avuncular” to ”prophet of doom.”

    “Hockey flailed at a loss, sinking deeper the more he spun in his own rhetorical quicksand.”

    According to Joe, “It was just The Government that was Bad. A shambles actually. And our success proved it — Australia could be, or perhaps it was already, paradise lost, or in danger of being lost, or … something.”

    “Good economic data evidenced, somehow, the deficiency and incompetence of the Gillard Government. ”Imagine how well our country could do if we had a good government,” Mr Hockey blustered, truly heroic in his quest for badness and sadness.”

    And in the face of these remarkable growth figures Joe somehow concluded that Wayne Swan was the ”scariest thing in Australia.”

    Oh how we laughed and laughed…

    … we’re doing so much better at the end of 2014 … aren’t we?

    Chuckle …

  216. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2014 7:09 pm

    I do hope the LNP keep all the invoices and receipts for the Royal Commission of Budget Rorting … after the next election …

    … I’ll feel so much better at the end of 2016 … chuckle

  217. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 11, 2014 7:24 pm

    Yeah, have you checked the economic numbers in 2007 when Howard lost the election? And why quote economic numbers from 2012 rather than numbers when Labor lost the election in 2013 and unemployment was at 5.8%?

    Fact is in 2007 we had unemployment at 4.3% a number not seen since the 1970’s and zero Federal govt debt. We most probably will never get economic numbers like that ever again in our lifetime.

    And it should be asked if the economic numbers were so great as Bernard Keane proclaims how come we were running whopping budget deficits. Deficts totally more than $200B in just 6 years.

    Mate i hate the ALP and its supporters. Just masters of deceit.

  218. egg permalink
    September 11, 2014 7:47 pm

    ‘we’re doing so much better at the end of 2014 … aren’t we?’

    Early days, two years to go.

  219. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 11, 2014 7:57 pm

    It should be noted that unemployment was above 6% for 13 years under Hawke/keating with 2 years of double digit unemployment.

    Rudd/Gillard were handed an economy in 2007 with very few problems.

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    September 11, 2014 7:58 pm

    hehehe … ignorance is bliss …

  221. September 11, 2014 8:28 pm

    “Rudd/Gillard were handed an economy in 2007 with very few problems.”

    You do realise that things can change Neil…?

    That’s how the world works.

    Hint: GFC.

  222. Meta permalink
    September 11, 2014 11:56 pm

    (Hint: GFC.

    Pfft. It’s only a rumour, probably spread by deceitful and immoral lefties, like kooky Koukoulas, that an alleged world-wide credit crunch impacted negatively on an effective private dissaving plan, as perfected under a Howard-Costello Government, in any subsequent years.

    And there’s no utility, economic or political, whatsoever to be found in the notion that a rebalancing of private consumption, credit and savings patterns might go some small way towards explaining Hockey’s abandonment of a promise of a small surplus in his first year in office and a larger surplus every year thereafter in favour of a revisionary projected surplus sometime in a second, or third, or fourth term of an Abbott-Hockey Government, all going well and to strong, five-pillar, 2-million-more-jobs plan.

    And as an apposite example of leftie disconnect, here is kooky Koukoulas at it again, just the other day, still in denial about the real issue of big government big debt and still making excuses for the great big mess the ALP just swept under the carpet and left for the LNP to clean up: Australian private debt is the big issue, not government debt.)

  223. September 12, 2014 2:10 am

    Mate i hate the ALP and its supporters. Just masters of deceit.

    I can state quite categorically, and may I be so presumptuous as to talk on behalf most here at gutter trash, you have no mates here, On the whole the majority of people here consider you a a tedious, monotonous, incessant factually devoid bore….in short you are complete cunt troll.

    Squeal Scotnomates

  224. egg permalink
    September 12, 2014 7:07 am

    ‘you have no mates here’

    That’s not true.

  225. egg permalink
    September 12, 2014 7:24 am

    ‘THE Australian Bureau of Statistics has come under fire after ­reporting the biggest monthly jump in employment in the 35 years of official records, with market economists slamming the figures as “unbelievable.”

    ‘The August monthly labour force survey showed 121,000 jobs were created in four weeks, more than the economy had generated in the previous 12 months and ­almost 10 times more than the market was expecting. Almost 90 per cent of the new jobs were part-time.’

    Uren / Oz

  226. egg permalink
    September 12, 2014 7:33 am

    Noice irony Meta.

  227. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2014 8:01 am

    Australian private debt is the big issue, not government debt

    I’ve been saying that for years, neil completely ignores the issue, because only govt debt gets his rocks off.
    Private debt will always increase, wages will go down or stagnate and jobs will be lost while business profits soar under a coalition government..Nepotism, bribery and corruption will be rampant and every sellable asset will go as state resources are plundered for private profit.

  228. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2014 8:15 am

    thank goodness for the high court.

    Asylum seeker can apply for permanent protection visa, high court rules:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/asylum-seeker-can-apply-for-permanent-protection-visa-high-court-rules

    a commenter on the guardian has been making a tally of morrison’s inhumanity

    here

    http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/40692657

    and continuing here

    http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/40692680

  229. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 8:45 am

    That’s a pretty extensive and pretty brutal list ao

    And, I would guess, in the long run, all this brutality will have been for nothing. 😦

  230. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 8:55 am

    Gillard bristled.

    For there it was, from the mouth of a silk, before the bench of a duly convened judicial organ of the state, the allegation that had always stood at the core of this entire farrago, the one thing to which Gillard might plead guilty: that back in 1992 she had a sexual relationship with a jerk.

    That her reputation as a lawyer, politician and stateswoman might be undermined by reference to a fatal flaw of ancient sexual misjudgement says much about the long campaign that has been ranged against her, and much about the set, and sexist attitudes to a woman in power that were turned malevolently against her prime ministership.

    Bolt concluded his live blog:

    “Gillard is excused from giving more evidence. She has escaped serious damage. But she has given her account under oath, always a hazard. I doubt anything serious can be proven against her on the evidence so far. But the creation of that slush fund looks very sleazy and sloppy.”

    Or as blogger Greg Jericho asked his audience on Twitter: “Seriously. That was it?”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-11/green-emptiness-of-gillard-accusations-laid-bare/5735618

    But we all know, that won’t be the end of it (whatever it may be?)

  231. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:21 am

    That was it?

    *Putting the interests of her fraudster lover in front of her actual client
    *Specifically allowing the use of the AWU’s name in an unconnected organisation
    *Deliberately drafting AWU WRA rules that were contrary to its real purpose
    *Risking the reputation of her employer and her colleagues
    *Seriously damaging the commercial interests of her employer
    *Fracturing long standing and mutually beneficial relationship between Slater & Gordon and the AWU

    People are entitled to judge politicians on their character, and this episode is indicative of Gillard’s. Only the most biased ALP/Gillard barrackers would be unconcerned about this behaviour

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:23 am

    For the record … and, its, edification …

    The first article I posted last night …

    http://farnhamreport.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/tony-abbotts-relentless-negativity-finally-backfires/#comments

    And the second …

    http://farnhamreport.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/australias-economy-surges-ahead/#comments

    You see we live in the 21st Century not the 15th …

    The economy of this government can now be compared to the BS they spouted in Opposition … thanks to these two blogs from, sreb!

    Ain’t history interesting …

    Notice how nothing changes – in the LNP netherworld … of sleaze and intrigue …

    Oh, how we laughed and laughed …

  233. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:28 am

    Only the most biased ALP/Gillard barrackers would be unconcerned about this behaviour

    Only the most biased ALP/Gillard haterz would still be concerned about this behaviour, especially after 20 plus years of NOTHING!

  234. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:29 am

    Only the most biased ALP/Gillard barrackers would be unconcerned about this behaviour

    Mate, by now you should know that description doesn’t apply to me – I’ll criticise anyone … but I’m afraid your own prejudice is starkly obvious …

    Having a “feeling” does not constitute … evidence … that’s simply lynch mob mentality …

    And for the record I lost all interest in Gillard as a potential PM after the Rudd coup … had she not listened to the union rabble rousers and allowed Rudd to complete his term then she would have eventually have had a reasonable crack at the top job … I get impatient with impatient corporate climbers of any kind …

  235. September 12, 2014 9:31 am

    That’s not true.

    🙄 Since when has truth mattered to you? I guess it gets lonely masturbating by yourself. I forgot Squeal Troll has his fist stuck up Egg Trolls Vagina….Maybe a word from our adjudicator…a straw poll? my feel is you are equally disliked and barely tolerated…

  236. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:31 am

    When will the apologies occur I wonder

    Mr Abbott insisted again that Ms Gillard had committed a crime in her role of providing legal advice to incorporate an association for her then boyfriend and Australian Workers Union Victoria state secretary Bruce Wilson.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pm-inquiry-pledge-shows-abbott-wedded-to-sleaze-20121202-2ap1v.html

  237. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:33 am

    The economy of this government can now be compared to the BS they spouted in Opposition … thanks to these two blogs from, sreb!

    Yes TB, they were great posts. I was busy ranting on other things at the time, but you did highlight (with the help of those posts) the shallow and ridiculous nature of the libs position on the economy.

  238. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:34 am

    had she not listened to the union rabble rousers and allowed Rudd to complete his term then she would have eventually have had a reasonable crack at the top job

    Unfortunately, that is also a very good post TB 😦

  239. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:45 am

    Since when has truth mattered to you?

    perhaps egg is implying that he only has friends amongst other complete cunt trolls Ricky?

  240. egg permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:49 am

    ‘my feel is you are equally disliked and barely tolerated…’

    And you are?

  241. egg permalink
    September 12, 2014 10:18 am

    ‘Private debt will always increase, wages will go down or stagnate and jobs will be lost while business profits soar under a coalition government.’

    Private debt will increase if business invests using overseas funds as venture capital. Its only money and should be utilised for economic growth.

    Wages have plateaued, along with full time jobs, but the situation should turn around when the government begins building utopia.

  242. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 12, 2014 10:19 am

    The main reason Wilson’s fraud was so effective was that he was able to create a private netity which used the AWU name. It was this which enabled Wilson to bully employers into writing cheques to that entity. If the entity had been called the Wilson/Blewitt Re-election Fund it would have been much more difficult to get employers to give money to it.

    Gillard says she believed that the entity was created for the purpose of funding union election campaigns. It seems odd to me that, as a lawyer for the AWU, she would allow its name to be appropriated by individuals for their personal benefit. Consider if an executive of, say, Westpac, came to Westpac’s lawyer and asked them to set up an association which they owned and controlled in their private capacity and which was to be called the Westpac Financial Reform Association.

    Now add to that hypothetical that the lawyer was having an affair with the executive who then used the Association to defraud Westpac?

    No wonder Gillard got the arse from Slater and Gordon!

    Gillard’s answer was:

    MS GILLARD: I think Mr Stoljar and I are on the same point, that it is not proper for union moneys to be used to finance union elections, so certainly my understanding of the Association was that it was not part of the union because if it had been part of the union, then it clearly couldn’t play a role in union elections. I may have put that in a somewhat circular fashion but I trust I’ve conveyed the meaning.

    MR STOLJAR: Q. Yes, but did it cause you concern, the use of the name of the union within the name of the Association, when those instructions were given to you?

    A. I had no cause for concern at that time.

    Q. It was misleading, wasn’t it?

    A. In what sense?

    Q. In the sense that the Association is a part of or authorised by the Australian Workers Union?

    A. There was nothing in any of this, back at the time, which caused me to conclude in any way that the name of the Association or anything else about the Association would be used to mislead people.

    Q. I’m not suggesting that you knew at the time that the Association was going to be used to mislead people. I wasn’t putting that to you, Ms Gillard. I’m simply saying did you have some concern at the time that use of the words “Australian Workers Union” could be potentially misleading?

    A. No, I didn’t have that concern.…

    MR STOLJAR: Q. Yes, but did it cause you concern, the use of the name of the union within the name of the Association, when those instructions were given to you?

    A. I had no cause for concern at that time.

    Q. It was misleading, wasn’t it?

    A. In what sense?

    Q. In the sense that the Association is a part of or authorised by the Australian Workers Union?

    A. There was nothing in any of this, back at the time, which caused me to conclude in any way that the name of the Association or anything else about the Association would be used to mislead people.

    Q. I’m not suggesting that you knew at the time that the Association was going to be used to mislead people. I wasn’t putting that to you, Ms Gillard. I’m simply saying did you have some concern at the time that use of the words “Australian Workers Union” could be potentially misleading?

    A. No, I didn’t have that concern.

    Q. For example, use of that name could facilitate, potentially, cheques being drawn in favour of the AWU being deposited into the Association’s bank account?

    A. I didn’t turn my mind to that because I had absolutely no reason to do so, absolutely no reason to suspect that that would ever occur.

    Q. Well, did you have reason to suspect that there could be just some general confusion between the Association and the union?

    A. No, I did not.

    Q. Do you accept now that it would have been, looking back, appropriate for you to go to the AWU and Slater & Gordon’s client and say, “Look, has someone given authorisation for the use of your name in respect to this Association?”

    A. Oh, none of us get to go in a time machine and go Backwards. Obviously, if one got to do the whole thing again you would do things differently, given what I know now that I did not know at the time.

    Q. It would have been simple enough to say to Mr Blewitt or Mr Wilson, “Look, go and get a resolution from the National Executive of the union and come back to me when you can show that this has been authorised by the National Executive”?

    A. Well, I didn’t have cause to give that kind of advice. I received instructions on incorporating an association. I had the name, the full name, “Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association”, and I did not turn my mind
    to, I had no reason to turn my mind to, whether or not at any point that would mislead anyone or be confusing or any of those things.

    She looks dodgy, and clearly professionally negligent in not questioning the use of the AWU name. Still when it comes to a criminal conviction, the evidence is at best circumstantial. You would need more, which is where the witness Elliott came in. He stated that Gillard had suggested he set up a similar HSU Welfare Reform Fund in a 2012 written statement to his lawyer. When it came to the crunch at the Royal Commission he retracted that evidence.

    As to the question of whether Gillard benefitted financially from the slush fund, that is Gillard’s word against four independent witnesses, a couple of whom look fairly shaky in their recollections.

    There is enough there for an adverse finding, but probably not enough for a criminal conviction.

    Forget it, Jake; it’s Unionland.

  243. September 12, 2014 10:20 am

    “And you are?”

    Correct.

  244. egg permalink
    September 12, 2014 10:26 am

    At least I’m not a homophobe.

  245. September 12, 2014 10:28 am

    Granted.

  246. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 10:48 am

    She looks dodgy,

    Well, of course, if you begin with the assumption of guilt and work your way back from there, then I can see how anyone could appear “dodgy”.

    Still when it comes to a criminal conviction, the evidence is at best circumstantial.

    Is “circumstantial” a new way of describing “non-existent”?

    You would need more, which is where the witness Elliott came in. He stated that Gillard had suggested he set up a similar HSU Welfare Reform Fund in a 2012 written statement to his lawyer. When it came to the crunch at the Royal Commission he retracted that evidence.

    So, when forced to repeat it under oath, he buckled, whereas when Gillard presented herself for almost a full day of inquisitorial ramblings, her story remained the same as it always has.

    a couple of whom look fairly shaky in their recollections.

    Is that your way of saying being shown to be completely wrong in their recollection

    There is enough there for an adverse finding

    ROFL

    What adverse finding? did bolt write something. pickering? hedley “I got nuffen” thomas?

    (btw, where’s all thos “I can’t recalls” in your quotes?)

    ROFL

  247. September 12, 2014 10:54 am
  248. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2014 11:17 am

    “”She looks dodgy, and clearly professionally negligent “”

    Only the same nutters and those of the lowest IQ who sprang to Craig Thomson’s defence could say otherwise.

    Her actions at the time and defence now simply beggar belief.

    Only the passage of time and the 5 year document destruction practices of the major banks have saved her

  249. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 11:25 am

    Only the passage of time and the 5 year document destruction practices of the major banks have saved her

    You understand that she has been pursued over this for most of the intervening 20 years

    Claiming what you have really can only point to the incompetence of those pursuing, or the complete lack of any evidence.

    After seeing the witch hunt the other day though, incompetence cannot be ruled out.

    Where oh where is Sir Bedevere when he is most needed

  250. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 11:33 am

    Tony Abbott, the royal commission idea hasn’t worked (“Gillard denies slush fund paid for her renovations”, September 11). What’s Plan B for getting even with Julia Gillard for exposing your misogyny?

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/smh-letters/gillard-earns-respect-during-witch-hunt-20140911-10fcjd.html

    My favourite

    Sue Young Bensville

    I’m glad to see that Julia Gillard has been moving forward.

    🙂

  251. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 12, 2014 11:42 am

    Thank you for your comments Tom. You are indeed a superb troll.

    “Is “circumstantial” a new way of describing “non-existent”?”

    No. There is real difference.

    “So, when forced to repeat it under oath, he buckled,”

    “Buckled” is not an apt term to describe his performace.To appreciate Elliott’s evidence you need to read the transcript with an open mind (so I guess that rules you out). In any event the interesting question is why he “buckled”.

    “Is that your way of saying being shown to be completely wrong in their recollection”

    No it is my way of saying that of the witnesses who have given evidence contrary to Gillard, two of them look not to be reliable. Two others seem very credible to me. I haven’t counted Blewitt in this as he is clearly an unreliable witness and you would only believe him if his evidence was corroborated.

    I didn’t comment on this until I did read the transcript and I’ve tried to be as fair about it as possible. I haven’t presumed Gillard guilty of anything. I’ve just given my view in as balanced a way as possible. I understand your response – balanced thinking is impossible to an hysterical little shit like you.

  252. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2014 11:46 am

    “”………………balanced thinking is impossible to an hysterical little shit like you.””

    LOL

    Amen to that

    We only need to cast our minds back to the way he continually claimed (knowing full well he was wrong) that Thomson received a settlement from Fairfax………………….plus countless other times

  253. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 11:57 am

    No. There is real difference.

    So why conjoin them as you did?

    “Buckled” is not an apt term to describe his performance.

    I AGREE!

    Came to his senses perhaps? Realized that lying under oath is NOT a good idea? 😉

    Two others seem very credible to me.

    So only half of the those throwing mud at Gillard pass your test. Nice to know. Are you able to highlight what swayed you in their testimony? From my reading, Gillard was able to dispute most of them with actual events. I could have missed something.

  254. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2014 12:06 pm

    When are fuckwits like Eckhaus going to understand that the decision as to who is allowed on a Uni campus is not their’s ?

    I didn’t see the same violent protests when Gillard ripped the guts out of Uni funding to pay for Gonski.

    It kinda reminds me of how the ABC changed its logo from “Your ABC”” to “”Our ABC””.

    “Co-ordinator Jade Eckhaus says they want to send a clear message that those in support of “attacks to higher education” are not welcome on university campuses.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/police-hold-back-protesters-as-pm-tony-abbott-visits-university-of-melbourne/story-fnii5sms-1227056289126

  255. Tom R permalink
    September 12, 2014 12:12 pm

    I didn’t see the same violent protests when Gillard ripped the guts out of Uni funding to pay for Gonski.

    Ripped the guts??

    Didn’t they just not increase it by as much as they had planned, yet still increased by more than was previously done?

    Mind you, this could be a reason they are so pissed. There is a real danger that e will end up like the yanks

    We don’t know exactly how our education system will look on the other side of Pyne’s reforms, should he find a way to sneak them through the Senate.

    What we can say with confidence is that they’re taking us closer to a model that has critical flaws, one in which, to quote Oliver one final time, “our leaders have decided that while education is incredibly important it is not important enough to pay for”.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/10/drink-beer-shoot-fireworks-out-your-bum-john-olivers-uni-debt-warning

  256. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 12, 2014 1:17 pm

    “I didn’t see the same violent protests when Gillard ripped the guts out of Uni funding to pay for Gonski.”

    Yep, neither did i.

    Same goes for when ALP/Greens locked up more men, women and children than any govt in Australian history.

    Of course we are now having an inquiry by that evil women Triggs who was silent when Labor was locking everybody up.

    And Labor was making cuts when they were running $40B deficits. Labor can only fund anything with deficit spending. Howard funded everything and ran a surplus.

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

  257. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2014 2:57 pm

    … balanced thinking is impossible to an hysterical little shit like you.

    Tut, tut, sb that’s sounding a little shrill … even for you … it, is following your lead I see …

    Funny how people get so angry when the truth seems to be different to their own perceptions … and they really can’t “prove” their perceptions to be … well … real …

    A solar storm is heading our way I see, two major blasts on the Sun …

    … and Tony Abbott hasn’t shut up at the “security” upgrade … round and round in circles the ASIO Chief and AFP Commissioner were looking a bit weary of his ramblings …

    … someone must have told Tones that talking up national security would raise his profile far more than trying to justify the budget, defend the Ashby Affair, explain the Gillard Revenge Strategy …

  258. September 12, 2014 3:42 pm

    “THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE“

    GUFFAW 🙂

    Squeal advocating morality is like Ivan Milat advocating bush walking…. “violence?” Tell you one thing you low rent gutless trolling rock spider.. If you ever said that to me in person you would get a first hand lesson in the literal definition of violence

    Immoral? interesting….
    What’s that sound? ..ohh another Fiberal MP bites the dust in NSW…
    What’s that? Julia Gillard innocent?

    Call me cynical as Abbott s popularity Takes dive to beyond pathetic (indicating he is the worst and most hated PM in Australia ahead of Billy McMahon) the terror alert goes up from “moderate” to “propaganda”

  259. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2014 3:46 pm

    In other news………………

    Ian Thorpe and Ricky Martin have signed a magazine deal to tell all about their love for each other

  260. Walrus permalink
    September 12, 2014 3:55 pm

    “”… someone must have told Tones that talking up national security would raise his profile far more than trying to justify the budget””

    Talking about national security I was out near Kellyville (kinda near Richmond RAAF base) earlier this afternoon and I swear 2 fucking F18 Hornets came flying past soooooooooooooooooooooo fucking low I swear they almost parted my hair and scared the shit out of me.

    All I could hear was this rumbling and then an absolute deafening fucking
    ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

    Straight over the top of me following the roadway more or less. But they were just so fucking low it was extraordinary.

    People coming out their houses to have a look everywhere

    On the move perhaps ?????????????????????

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2014 4:12 pm

    And so it begins …

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/danger-5-second-season-delayed-by-sbs-due-to-recent-isis-actions/story-e6frfmyi-1227056544180

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What’s that sound? ..ohh another Fiberal MP bites the dust in NSW…
    What’s that? Julia Gillard innocent?

    Indeed, RP, up to 10 LNP members now I believe …

    We need an Federal “ICAC”! Now!

    it, needs investigating thoroughly …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    On the move perhaps ?????????????????????

    Generally do that on the QT*, Wally … however they could have been transferring from Amberley (where, I believe most – all?- of them are currently based) …

    *(within reason of course – jet engines are noisy)

  262. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2014 4:19 pm

    I’m assuming that you have “whirlybirds” on roofs in Mexico? The wind operated fans that remove hot air from the roof cavity?

    On my walk yesterday I just happened to look up and LMAO! A dove was sitting on top of one as it spun .. I must have stood and watched the stupid thing for over a min ute! Round and round … its head twisted to one side … wonder if it was so mesmerised it couldn’t get off? Funny …

    And if you are a Melbournican bragging about Melbourne being the most “liveable” city … I’ve got some bad news … either the score was rigged or they didn’t have this “titbit” of information …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/melbournes-sewerage-system-clogged-by-fatberg-warns-yarra-valley-water/story-e6frflp0-1227046044212

    Liveable my arse! Yuk!

  263. egg permalink
    September 12, 2014 4:26 pm

    In the old days they called it Smellbourne, but Fatberg isn’t bad.

  264. September 12, 2014 4:36 pm

    Indeed, RP, up to 10 LNP members now I believe …
    We need an Federal “ICAC”! Now!

    Bring it on.. Bigtime start with Morrison, he’s a faux christian crook

    On the move perhaps

    We have helicopters over head here frequently.. I expect that will be stepped up more now the most unpopular PM in history has hit the propaganda button in a feeble attempt to try and repair his unflushable “floating turd” credibility

    And you are?

    Realistic, Truthful, respected in my field by my professional peers, talented, highly qualified, admired by my fans, published and actually a man…

    .And you are?

  265. egg permalink
    September 12, 2014 5:54 pm

    Right

  266. Meta permalink
    September 12, 2014 6:13 pm

    (….)

  267. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2014 7:08 pm

    Right

    We know …

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    September 12, 2014 7:53 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/tony-abbott-raises-australias-terror-threat-to-high/story-fnj3rq0y-1227056598043

    What crap … Rupert … ASIO raised the threat – not Tones (although he never shut up and didn’t give the pros a chance answer questions) … and what crap ASIO … once one of the most professional international intelligence organisations now playing to Rupert Murdoch’s music sheet … sick and sad!

  269. egg permalink
    September 12, 2014 8:12 pm

    “Nothing that I have said today … has anything to with religion. This is about crime, potential crime and combating crime.”

    He is telling fibs again, or maybe just a white lie to avoid tearing the social fabric.

  270. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 12, 2014 8:14 pm

    Unlike yo TB, I have no inside knowledge that the elevated security warning is due to Murdoch’s influence/power.

    I’ll gladly take your word for it (above ASIO’s) if you’ll provide a little evidnce.

  271. egg permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:07 pm

  272. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:09 pm

    Getting Gillard: The Royal Commission We Never Had To Have
    By Ben Eltham
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/11/getting-gillard-royal-commission-we-never-had-have

    …The constant pursuit of the non-scandal by sections of the right-wing blogosphere has everything to do with the right’s bitter hatred of Gillard as a progressive opponent, rather than any hard evidence that Gillard ever did anything illegal….

    Comments to the article:

    …Lynne Newington
    Posted Thursday, September 11, 2014 – 15:35
    Ive said it dozens of times and I’ll say it again: she had to be discredited and she had to go.

    If nothing more is remembered in history other than Australia’s first prime minister, it will be that she had the audacity to bring the Catholic church to account for it’s decades of abuse and coverup of crimes by the princes of the church, against our children.

    Tony Abbott must still be quietly seething, considering his mentor/advisor/spiritual director had to sit in the seat of judgement at the hand of this atheist, barren, woman living in sin.

    cwis
    Posted Thursday, September 11, 2014 – 15:16
    Saw the ABC Drum last night on the subject, an attitude permeated the discussion, why havent we found any bullets, guns or sharp knives?

    Then the bomshell ignored by the othrer lettuce leaves on the panel.

    Dareen Barnett says–

    “Julie Bishop, in a piece in the Sunday Telegraph it (the Royal Commission) was because of the mysogyny speech, it was payback …”

    Rest your case, it has only cost 77 million dollars so far…

    Maybe…
    it is payback, the victory of the enemy’s scalp. Abbott would hold her severed head aloft himself if he could get away with it. The right wing warrior who sees everything in terms of war and and it is a very personal crusade. The enemy must be defeated by fair means or foul, it matters not to him. So tantalisingly close, he had the RC all primed for the fix, he wants badly to hold her severed head aloft by the hair and beat his hairy chest, victorious, vainglorious tony abott!

  273. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:25 pm

  274. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2014 9:33 pm

  275. September 12, 2014 9:51 pm

    R Blight

  276. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 12, 2014 10:55 pm

    Tony Fitzgerald urges Queenslanders not to vote for either major party
    Head of landmark 1980s corruption inquiry says both parties have failed the voters and are serving only their own interests

  277. September 13, 2014 12:58 am

    GUF-fucking-FAW !!!

    ““peak dirt?”

    Best not tell Tosy….”

    http://farnhamreport.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/australias-economy-surges-ahead/#comment-5386

  278. Power Down permalink
    September 13, 2014 1:14 am

    Peak Freo!

  279. September 13, 2014 1:23 am

    Fuck, I hope so!

    Missed out on the crown last year & should have the tide at home this weekend. Also, the scum have big fucken heads after doing a number on the tigez last week. It reminds me to the prelude & hubris of the scum’s 20 goal GF hiding…

  280. Tony permalink
    September 13, 2014 1:31 am

    Peak Peace Prize:

    “Even before the election, Obama had advocated dialogue and cooperation across national, ethnic, religious and political dividing lines. As President, he called for a new start to relations between the Muslim world and the West based on common interests and mutual understanding and respect. In accordance with a promise he made during his election campaign, he set in motion a plan for the withdrawal of U.S. occupying forces from Iraq.”

    http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/obama-facts.html

  281. Tony permalink
    September 13, 2014 1:36 am

    “It’s all very confusing. When George W. Bush considered invading Iraq without a declaration of war, the Democrats wanted to try him for war crimes in The Hague. When Obama does the same thing … crickets.

    Which raises another question: Where exactly is the anti-war movement?”

    http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/howie_carr/2014/09/carr_anti_war_crowd_stunningly_silent_now

  282. September 13, 2014 1:42 am

    Angry Aussie kind of Nails it as always,

  283. September 13, 2014 1:44 am

    “It’s all very confusing. ”

    Actually, it’s all very typical.

    Picking sides in US politics (especially from the Southern Hemisphere …y’know, like Howard did) is missing the point of Manifest Destiny.

    The machine rolls, the colour of the hood ornament is cosmetic.

  284. September 13, 2014 1:46 am

    I gotta say, the No-case for Scottish Independence seems to be deliberately ignorant…and has the stench of Imperial Conservatism about it.

  285. As Written permalink
    September 13, 2014 1:47 am

    “Literally? What’s that supposed to mean?” ~ Kramer, Seinfeld, ‘The Strong Box’,

  286. September 13, 2014 1:51 am

    I wonder, if it was a Republican POTUS would the nutjob boosters be claiming that the US shouldn’t be pulverising ISIS unilaterally?

  287. September 13, 2014 1:53 am

    * actually, I don’t ‘wonder’ at all..I’m 95% confident I can predict exactly their manner & their accompanying rhetoric…

  288. Euro Sceptic permalink
    September 13, 2014 1:53 am

    I’m barracking for Scottish independence, followed by the devoluton of the European Union, followed by its complete dismantling.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism

  289. Reverse Gear permalink
    September 13, 2014 1:55 am

    “I wonder, if it was a Republican POTUS would the nutjob boosters be claiming that the US shouldn’t be pulverising ISIS unilaterally?”

    Of course not. It’s just the hypocrisy I find deliciously irresistible.

  290. September 13, 2014 1:56 am

    I’m barracking for people to be able to self determine the direction their geopolitics should tack towards directly .

    The Old Empires can fucking lump it if they don’t like it.

  291. September 13, 2014 1:58 am

    ” deliciously irresistible.”…but not confusing; not really.

    ““It’s all very confusing.”

    “Literally? What’s that supposed to mean?”

    I’m so confused now!

  292. Under Water permalink
    September 13, 2014 2:15 am

    “SUDDENLY the Tony Abbott shock treatment is on display again — he wants value for the taxpayer in defence purchases, refuses to subvert a submarine purchase to a jobs policy priority and dismisses Labor’s dogma that buying a submarine offshore threatens our national security. Abbott is smashing conventional wisdoms in his approach to the biggest procurement decision in naval history — replacement of the Collins class submarine. He seems ready to terminate the former bipartisan consensus on local production, is cutting to pieces the defence decision-making norms and will wear the odium of yet another broken election promise.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/japanese-submarine-no-breach-of-security/story-e6frg74x-1227057090911#

  293. September 13, 2014 2:19 am

    Seems rather poignant…from IvIeta’s link…

    “They are gleefully parsing Obama’s language for weakness, and essentially demanding a major military assault — while failing to ask the tough questions about what if any good it could actually accomplish.

    It’s not just that the lessons of the abject failure of the press corps in the run-up to war in Iraq seem to have been forgotten. Watching post-invasion reality in the region should have made it clear to anyone paying any attention at all that America is not omnipotent, and that military action kills not just enemies but innocent civilians, creates refugee crises, can spawn more enemies than it destroys, further destabilizes entire regions, and alters the future in unanticipated and sometimes disastrous ways.”

  294. Same Same permalink
    September 13, 2014 2:21 am

    Watch Each of the Last Four U.S. Presidents Announce That We’re Bombing Iraq (Video: every president back to the first George Bush announce[s] a new plan to launch military strikes in Iraq)

    http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/11/watch-each-of-the-last-four-presidents-a

  295. September 13, 2014 2:29 am

    Haha…I really gotta tune out & sleep. Still on shift…

    I wondered why people were about, then I realised, it’s Friday night.

    I lose track of days of week because my hours of work fall across a spectrum which renders time of day, day of week, public holidays etc…neutered.

    Only school times & family keep me tentatively synched with the rest of the mouthbreathers.

  296. Old Campaigner permalink
    September 13, 2014 2:34 am

    Haha. Trouble is, I need to be at work in a few hours, too, but there’s a bottle of Wild Turkey between then and now. 😯

  297. Night Cappism permalink
    September 13, 2014 2:39 am

    (Not that there’s anything wrong with alcoholism. Is there?)

  298. Teh Producer permalink
    September 13, 2014 3:03 am

    Also, fuck you Ricky.

  299. Meta permalink
    September 13, 2014 6:57 am

    (Doobeedoobeedoo…

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott said the Government has “no specific intelligence” of a plot to mount a terrorist attack. “What we do have is intelligence that there are people with the intent and the capability to mount attacks,” he said.)

  300. egg permalink
    September 13, 2014 7:26 am

    Its just another Abbott beat up.

  301. egg permalink
    September 13, 2014 8:00 am

    Liars Galore

    ‘Craig Baumann, the member for Port Stephens, in the Hunter region, was forced to move to the crossbenches after he admitted to the commission that he took $79,000 from two developers without declaring it on his electoral return for the 2007 election, instead declaring that the money came from his own company.’

    “I inadvertently made a dishonest declaration and I apologise,” Mr Baumann said.

    Coultan / Oz

  302. September 13, 2014 8:38 am

    “I’m barracking for Scottish independence”

    Me too.

    And the funny thing is that the more Cameron opens his toffy nosed gob to beg Scotland to stay the more it does to convince that leaving the union is the right way to go.

  303. egg permalink
    September 13, 2014 8:50 am

    Independence now is timely, there is no danger of economic collapse as China has agreed to buy the place if things go awry. (sarc off)

  304. September 13, 2014 10:06 am
  305. September 13, 2014 10:08 am
  306. Meta permalink
    September 13, 2014 10:50 am

  307. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 13, 2014 11:21 am

    Getting Gillard: The Royal Commission We Never Had To Have
 By Ben Eltham

    The problem for ideologues is that the Royal Commission isn’t about “Getting Gillard”.

    It has already been provided with plenty of evidence of union corruption, officials who consider intimidation threats to be tools of trade. There is probably plenty more to come too.

    Hopefully it will get to Victoria’s desalination plant, which will uncover misdeeds by the CFMEU and construction partners (which includes Bruce Wilson’s donor). The behaviour of both parties on that project alone warrants a range of IR reforms.

    While Gillard managed to obfuscate her way through under polite examination, CFMEU officials and construction managers should not be examined with similar courtesy.

    Just as the Cole Royal Commission made appropriate findings and recommendations about the IR in the construction industry over a decade ago, this one should provide a similar platform for reform.
    ————
    …and while I’m at it…

    While ever unions remain a formal part of the ALP, they will be treated as the enemy of the Liberal Party.

    This formal affiliation is the significant reason for the politicisation of industrial relations in Australia.

  308. Meta permalink
    September 13, 2014 11:36 am

    (The things Oxbridge-types learn-up the proles.)

  309. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 13, 2014 12:02 pm

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/politics/2014/09/13/illegal-donations-developers-fund-nsw-libs-win/14105304004903ef0d-990b-4101#.VBOhLsKSySo

    …The fact is that as a result of the contact, Australia’s prime minister and a number of other senior Liberal politicians, state and federal, took to citing the views of the head of a property development company that had given huge sums of money to the party, when such donations were banned.

    It was not a good look. And there’s every likelihood that it will be a worse look come ICAC’s report in December. Already the polls tell us that most Australians believe this federal government came to power after a deceitful election campaign and think Abbott is not a man to be trusted.

    And that is one of the key differences between this ICAC investigation and previous investigations by the NSW anti-corruption investigator. It promises to cause huge embarrassment outside NSW…

  310. TB Queensland permalink
    September 13, 2014 12:24 pm

    I’ll gladly take your word for it (above ASIO’s) if you’ll provide a little evidnce.

    I don’t have to … the government agencies and the government do … have you seen any?

    Bet the “heightened alert satus” reduces once all the Dickheads piss off after the G20 in Brisbane … Noddy Newman and Sir Tony were almost salivating at their pressers …

    I think you’ll find Meta’s comment on the subject here …

    Meta – September 13, 2014 6:57 am

    followed by the devoluton of the European Union, followed by its complete dismantling.

    In yer dreams, ToSY, Vladimir put paid to that … and the USA’s GFC …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “I inadvertently made a dishonest declaration and I apologise,” Mr Baumann said

    Inadvertently? !!!!!! Wait let me check … now … inadvertently lied and cheated … nah … nothing here …

    While ever unions remain a formal part of the ALP, they will be treated as the enemy of the Liberal Party.

    This formal affiliation is the significant reason for the politicisation of industrial relations in Australia.

    Let’s rewrite that, ToM, shall we …

    While ever big business and developers remain a formal part of the Liberal National Party, they will be treated as the enemy of the ALP.

    This informal affiliation is the significant reason for the politicisation of industrial relations in Australia.

    What some people never “get” is that it takes two to Tango … monopoly in Parliament is worse than business … we have enough problems with duopolies in both democracy and capitalism now!

    Life itself is a balance of extremes … truth and lies … life and death … wrong or right … rich and poor …

    The LNP want to knock out ALL unions to allow them a free rein in both parliament and commerce …

    Playing silly buggers with Royal Commissions is just a game for a deceitful Liberal Party … they seem to have recall issues …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWB_oil-for-wheat_scandal

  311. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 13, 2014 12:48 pm

    ”While ever big business and developers remain a formal part of the Liberal National Party, they will be treated as the enemy of the ALP.”

    That’s the point TB, business maybe influential, and big donors may be influential in a range of unsatisfactory ways. BUT THEY ARE NOT A FORMAL PART OF THE LNP STRUCTURE.

    In the USA the Republicans are generally supported by business, the Democrats are more worker aligned. But IR is relatively stable.

    It is similar in most of the European democracies.

    IR becomes a political football here mainly because unions are a formal part of the ALP.

    It’s time for a divorce, amicable or not.

  312. egg permalink
    September 13, 2014 12:53 pm

    ‘It’s time for a divorce, amicable or not.’

    I agree, but have you considered the long term consequences?

  313. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 13, 2014 12:57 pm

    Just as the Cole Royal Commission made appropriate findings and recommendations about the IR in the construction industry over a decade ago, this one should provide a similar platform for reform.

    When do we get a RC into the corruption, bribery and collusion of politicans, government and private corporations at the expense of ordinary citizens, taxpayers and our democracy?

    There should be an enormous platform for reform.

  314. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 13, 2014 1:12 pm

    In the USA the Republicans are generally supported by business, the Democrats are more worker aligned. But IR is relatively stable.

    The USA and its IR inequities are not something that australia should be aspiring to or even emulate.

    The unions have been weakened and defeated, workers have received barely any increases in years and have few protections. Rampant, uber neoliberal capitalist rule is practised as zealously [and irrationally] as a religion.

    What’s wrong looking towards the scandinavians for a beautiful life, rather than the schizoid USA?

    And when are we going to see a war on war?

  315. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 13, 2014 1:47 pm

    I’m not wanting to emulate the industrial standards of the USA, I’m quite happy with the level of the minimum wage and our overall civilised employment standards, and I’ve never subscribed to the theory that the way to prosperity is through lower wages.

    It is simply that the Libs aren’t simply looking for a way to lower employment standards, they are looking to weaken the group that forms the major formal/structural part of their political opponents.

    It really is time for IR to be settled, but while unions form part of the ALP, they will be under pressure to legislate specific benefits for them, and the Liberals will spend their term doing the opposite.
    ——
    I haven’t been to any Scandinavian country for a long time, but my reaction was that they were terribly expensive places to live, and people seemed to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders.

    I put this down to alcohol being expensive.

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    September 13, 2014 2:15 pm

    But IR is relatively stable.

    BS … and if it was that explains the demise of the US Empire … its crumbling … $2.00 an hour and a reliance on tips is not stable IR … its stifled IR …

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    September 13, 2014 2:31 pm

    It really is time for IR to be settled

    Just how young are you … ToM … the unions are the quietest I’ve ever seen … where are the strikes, the street marches, the lockouts by management, the pay rises …

    … “settled” – what does that really mean …

    I may have an advantage over you having worked in overalls and been a union rep and seen the bastardry of some union “management” …

    …but I’ve also worked in HR for many years … and as both a staff and line manager and seen and argued the shenanigans in boardrooms …

    … and as an H&S specialist saw how both sides tried to use H&S as a political football …

    You may target the unions all you want … but shit floats to the top in both camps …

    … and as usual, the innocents who just want have a reasonable life with family and friends (I’d say about 90% of us) suffer the turf wars …

    IR is about equal return for both sides – wages v profits …

    Exactly the argument with the Abbott/Hockey Budget … the rich profit via negative gearing, family trusts and tax loopholes … while the poor, the weak, the old and the young get screwed by Abbott/Hockey “management” by ensuring that they just survive and can’t improve themselves and challenge the “elite” …

    And you believe the link between unions and the ALP is bad … that’s how and why it was formed in the first place …

  318. Tpm of Melbourne permalink
    September 13, 2014 4:17 pm

    Well TB, granted that your mechanical apprenticeship, experience as a workplace union delegate and OHS consultant is far more relevant to the discussion than my economics degree, experience as a full time union official and consultant to several significant companies.

    However, despite these clear limitations I do hope you will allow me to reply.

    *Union density is no longer a factor in driving workforce wage levels. At 14% of the private sector workforce, unions are only looking after their declining coverage
    *The workforce now insists on at appropriate legislated safety net. The electorate will punish a party that seeks prosperity through lower wages.
    *Union domination of the ALP causes it to have a particularly narrow focus, it ignores/marginalises other progressive issues
    *The ALP will suffer this limitation while ever unions control it
    *The Libs will seek to undermine unions for as long as they remain a structural part of the ALP

    …but that’s only the opinion of a former delegate to ALP conference and union official… for what it’s worth.

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    September 13, 2014 6:42 pm

    … but that’s only the opinion of a former delegate to ALP conference

    Indeed … maybe that’s why you are so bitter … BTW you missed out my staff and line management experience, and consultancy to major companies in training and OH&S (that you already know) … and I actually said rep not delegate (worry about your detail – often) … economics degree? … we ARE talking about IR …

    At 14% of the private sector workforce, unions are only looking after their declining coverage

    So why are the LNP so fearful of them … given your background, you know why … and your seemingly obvious need to support the LNP side of politics … you know … BIG business … you know which side your bread is buttered on …

    … problem with economists is that they only deal with “theory” not actually living under the stupid bloody things … how often are they right about the economy? Let alone about industrial relations … another fkn academic oxymoron “relations”? … and if we are playing quals, you also know I have a B.Bus. … and a couple of Dips (Management and OH&S) …

    … but that is just quals … its actually living under subsistence wages and conditions – determined by academic BS and political ideology – while bringing up a family – that colours your life! (The Uni. of Life)

    FYI, the “tale” of my union membership may surprise you … bit like my membership of the ADF – not of my choosing …

    … being controlled has always been an issue with me (its happened more than a couple of times) … hence my posts re the “heightened alert status” … Be Alert! The world needs more Lerts!

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 13, 2014 11:05 pm

    TB, I don’t concede debating points on the basis of someone alleging that they have superior qualifications and experience. But you’re welcome to be very impressed by your background, good for you!

    I’m not “fearful” of unions, as I’ve explained, I simply think they wield a disproportionate and unsatisfactory level of influence/control over the ALP. While ever this is the case, the ALP will be diminished. While you may prefer the 1950s version of the ALP, I’d prefer a more broadly based progressive party.

    That unions form a formal part of the ALP structure will continue to make them the political enemies of the Liberals, and increasingly this is recognised by intelligent union officials and ALP people. I think you’re about the only person that continues to argue that there is no problem with the current union affiliation structure.

    “… and your seemingly obvious need to support the LNP side of politics … ’ – I don’t even vote for them, but I’m not going to waste my vote on the luddites that run the ALP either.

    ”“… problem with economists…motor mechanics is that they don’t even fix cars properly.

  321. September 14, 2014 12:49 am

    #someonestoptheportcuntsbeforetheywinagain

  322. September 14, 2014 2:39 am

    Also, fuck you Ricky.

    Cant help it if you have infantile taste… her production is whack, her rhymes are pointless, her flow is pathetic, she, dresses like a $2 whore who’s more interested in talking about her pussy because she aint exactly the sharpest tool in the shed…

    http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/rapper-iggy-azalea-denies-making-sex-tape-with-boyfriend-20140912-10fsqx.html

  323. Tasting Plate permalink
    September 14, 2014 4:16 am

    You might be right Ricky. But taste is personal, and I know what I like For some reason, I like this girl. (Toiletboss wouldn’t like here either, I’m guessing.)

  324. Produce This! permalink
    September 14, 2014 4:31 am

    Also, Fuck you again Ricky!

  325. egg permalink
    September 14, 2014 7:21 am

    I’ll second that.

  326. September 14, 2014 8:14 am

    Also, Fuck you again Ricky!

    Fuck you to.. I give you the Finger (date finger)

    I’ll second that.

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2014 2:05 pm

    TB, I don’t concede debating points on the basis of someone alleging that they have superior qualifications and experience.

    Neither do I … it was primarily to explain why I reach certain conclusions … and you seem to reach academic ones … perhaps you have more time to cogitate while you wait for the big one … 🙂

    I’ll agree to disagree on this subject as usual …

    Having said that, I think you, of all people, know that I have a wide streak of Devil’s Advocate in me … and there is always an alternative viewpoint … generally based upon life/work experience, education and training (all of us) … I also recognised early in life that everyone is different but some want to be the same …

    I was always been a loner in business … perhaps in other pursuits too … 😉

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    That’s strange, ToSY, I thought Vevo was a music channel? 😆

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  328. September 14, 2014 6:15 pm
  329. TB Queensland permalink
    September 14, 2014 7:31 pm

    But what I learned there will never leave me. We didn’t deserve to be poor, any more than we deserved to be rich. Poverty is a circumstance, not a value judgment. I still have to remind myself sometimes that I was my harshest critic. That the judgment of the disadvantaged comes not just from conservative politicians and Internet trolls. It came from me, even as I was living it.But what I learned there will never leave me. We didn’t deserve to be poor, any more than we deserved to be rich. Poverty is a circumstance, not a value judgment. I still have to remind myself sometimes that I was my harshest critic. That the judgment of the disadvantaged comes not just from conservative politicians and Internet trolls. It came from me, even as I was living it.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/08/this-is-what-happened-when-i-drove-my-mercedes-to-pick-up-food-stamps/

    My bold …

  330. Walrus permalink
    September 15, 2014 10:26 am

    Seems like some of you Lefties are standing as one with Uncle Rupert.

    Looks like he is going to support the “Yes”” vote

    http://mashable.com/2014/09/14/scotland-independence-brings-rupert-murdoch-back-in-political-spotlight/

  331. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2014 10:56 am

    The oz is running a couple of items today

    Firstly, john howard [in his albrechtsen interviews] is uneasy about these RC’s being used as political payback, he says it is the way of the US and he can’t see the point when the voters have already had their say on the previous govt’s policies.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/john-howard-uneasy-over-royal-commissions-into-labor-policies/story-fn59niix-1227058304540

    “I don’t think you should ever begin to go down the American path of using the law for narrow targeted political purposes. I think the special prosecutions in the US are appalling.”

    But our abbott neo-teabags think nothing of a lazy $70 million on politics of hate.

    The other bit, in the same section was how close michael smith is to kathy abbott, almost saying they are having an affair. Smith now lives in a self contained guest/granny flat at the lawler/jackson property and he and jackson recently went on an overseas trip together.

    Wasn’t the recent smith wedding the one that the lib pollies, including abbott, charged to the taxpayer? Is that finished now?

  332. Tom R permalink
    September 15, 2014 11:07 am

    Is that finished now?

    Nothing to see here ao, time to move on (tabot has declared it off limits for the media, who obligingly comply)

  333. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 15, 2014 11:17 am

    oops, a mistype [freudian] kathy abbott = kathy jackson the fiance of michael lawler [who has the legal status of a judge and refused to appear at the senate inquiry].

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