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Scotland must brave Independence

September 13, 2014

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Next week Scotland will decide whether it will break away from its 300 year old association with the United Kingdom.  Currently, the likely result is too close to call.  Pete MacLeod, a Scottish expatriate who works for a Canberra-based NGO makes the case for independence in the following article…

Imagine a world in which Australia wasn’t an independent country. Your daily news comes from England, but the London news desk graciously gives you 20 minutes at the end of the bulletin to update you on Australian news.

All Australian place names are explained by the presenters in order to disguise British ignorance. Tax revenue from Australian companies is sent to London and then your government is given some money back to spend on local initiatives.

While Britain doesn’t have any natural resources, its media – which dominates Australia – tells you that you are “subsidy junkies” for receiving higher spending levels.

Any attempt on your part to argue that your country should be independent leads to Crocodile Dundee references, suggestions that you hate British people and a reply that despite Australia’s resources, educated workforce and strong exports, your country could never survive on its own.

Of course, this is a ridiculous scenario for Australians to envisage in 2014. This country long ago decided it would stand on its own two feet and make its own way in the world. Yet, this is what is happening to Scottish voters as they prepare for the referendum on independence from Britain.

On September 18, Scotland will be faced with the same choice. Having gained a Parliament with control over policy areas such as education and health in 1999, Scottish voters have backed the Scottish National Party in the last two elections, a party which has campaigned since the 1930s for independence.

In 1974 a confidential report by the British civil service acknowledged that Scotland would be “as rich as Switzerland” were it to become independent, due to the volume of oil that was being pumped out of Scottish waters in the North Sea at the time.

Scotland has more universities per head of population ranked in The Times Top 200 than any other country. Plus, an upside to our terrible weather is that Scotland has the best capacity for wind power in the entire European Union. All this wealth only has to go around 5 million people.
Yet, despite Scotland’s strengths, there is a fear campaign being waged by the British government, the media and, of course, other Scottish politicians who don’t want to cut the apron strings from the Mother Country.

The onslaught of scare campaigns would make Dick Cheney blush. Unfortunately the lack of belief that Scotland could prosper does not just exist in the big newsrooms in London.

Of the 37 newspapers in Scotland, only one supports independence. This is despite the fact that recent polls put both the “Yes” and “No” sides neck and neck.

This is a direct result of a culture Scotland has only started to grow out of recently.

I was perplexed when I first arrived in Australia to hear friends talk about a cultural cringe. It seems strange that a confident country such as Australia could have anything to cringe about.

While there was a time when Australia was controlled from afar, patronised and made the butt of jokes, barring the occasional Ashes defeat or the odd dodgy Fosters advert, there is not much that England can throw at Australia now.

So it seems natural to me that having battled through the phenomenon of cultural cringe, Australia would support Scotland in trying to be its own country.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s recent intervention in the independence debate, in support of the “No” vote, therefore was a surprise.

I suppose anyone who wants to bring back the Honours system and who studied at Oxford is going to have an Establishment perspective, but the question remains; why should any Australian really object to Scotland being its own country?

The attitude of most people I speak to in Australia is usually supportive of independence and our countries make natural allies. The mateship and informal culture of Australia could come straight out of Glasgow.

The general disdain for authority and putting on airs and graces is a strong part of Scottish culture. Cultural arrogance, the mocking of how other Anglophones speak, is not Scotland.

When you have recruitment consultants in London refusing to hire Aussies that speak with an inflection, you know you have an attitude problem. Australia’s fair-go attitude goes hand in hand with egalitarian Scottish values.

There’s no reason our countries couldn’t be the best of mates on the world stage.

Hesitant voters in Scotland only need to look to Australia to witness how at ease with itself a country becomes when it takes control of its own affairs.

We don’t need to swallow the lie any longer that we are a poor country. And we don’t need an out of touch elite in London deciding how much of our own money we should have to spend. We just need a bit of Australian confidence.

 

 

 

 

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85 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    September 13, 2014 9:41 am

    So why are you against independence for Scotland, sreb ….

    Next thing will be a breakaway by Yorkshire!

  2. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 13, 2014 9:51 am

    Go Scotland!

    Humour, joy of life, education and attractive lasses make the Scots culturally different to the English!

  3. egg permalink
    September 13, 2014 10:00 am

    Scotland has produced some amazing scientists, big brain people in a cold climate, and our cultures have intermingled in a delightful way. I’m from the McComish clan.

  4. September 13, 2014 10:02 am

    “So why are you against independence for Scotland, sreb ….”

    Huh? I’m fully in favour of it! Those pompous tory fuckers can all fuck off…. Aye!

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    September 13, 2014 11:32 am

    LOL!

    You do know that the North of England feels the same way about London … and them Southerners … unfortunately I’ve got a foot in both camps (Yorkshire and Sussex) but me Yorksher blud allwes kicks in …

    Now you know too, how Queenslanders feel about Mexico … 😆

  6. egg permalink
    September 13, 2014 8:56 pm

    So much has happened in the past week that some early voters think they put the cross in the wrong box.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1334420/scotland-postal-voters-regretting-their-choice

  7. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2014 1:48 pm

    Go Scotland!

    The English are in a flap, which is a good sign.

  8. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 17, 2014 3:42 pm

    Tell you the truth i doubt if the English care. Maybe some nostalgia for the Union. But if Scotland leaves, Britain will no longer exist. And it makes sense for Northern Ireland to become part of Ireland leaving just England and Wales.

    I cannot see how an independent Scotland would make the world a better place. And where will it end? I believe the highland Scots do not like the lowland Scots.

  9. Walrus permalink
    September 17, 2014 3:55 pm

    “”And it makes sense for Northern Ireland to become part of Ireland leaving just England and Wales.””

    Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………………….!

    Neil………………if you ever go to Northern Ireland I suggest you speak very very softly if you engage in such commentary in one of their many pubs.

    Chances are you might emerge from said pub dressed in a body bag

  10. Tony permalink
    September 17, 2014 4:01 pm

    I reckon it’s best to have decision making as close as possible to the people concerned. That’s why I support Scottish Independence, and the devolution of the EU. It’s a matter of principle. First, I’d like to see as many decisions as possible left to the individual. Then local school and hospital boards, for example. Then local councils. Then state government. Then, and only then, anything that can’t be handled by these should be looked after by a federal government.

  11. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 17, 2014 4:08 pm

    Actually Britain does not have a Federal govt. Until recently it was just local govt and Westminister. It was a unitary State.

    It would be financially beneficial for England for the Scots to leave. Scotland is sounding more and more like a socialist disaster. Perhaps the Scots can show us how socialism works. Perhaps we can get rid of Tasmania as well and the Greens can show us what a socialist paradise looks like.

  12. Walrus permalink
    September 17, 2014 4:18 pm

    “It would be financially beneficial for England for the Scots to leave.”

    Not forgetting it would do massive damage to the British Labour Party which gets an overwhelming majority of seats from Scotland.

    I suspect there will be a very large late swing back to No.

    North Sea oil wont last forever. And just imagine all the new government departments that they would need to have built from scratch.

    I suppose population, climate and resource wise they are closer to NZ than anybody else.

  13. Tony permalink
    September 17, 2014 4:19 pm

    “It would be financially beneficial for England for the Scots to leave. ”

    Yeah, not really. Most of the oil’s in Scotland, for a start. (Not to mention whiskey.)

  14. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 17, 2014 5:27 pm

    But how the mighty have fallen.

    Just before WW2, 20% of the worlds population were in the British Empire. If Scotland leaves Britain will cease to exist.

  15. Walrus permalink
    September 17, 2014 5:34 pm

    What next ?

    A Scottish caliphate of the MacIbrahim’s and the MacMalouf’s ?

  16. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2014 6:01 pm

    If Scotland leaves Britain will cease to exist.

    That’s kind of awkward for Welsh and Northern Irish then, isn’t it 😯

    Go for it Wales 🙂

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2014 6:38 pm

    That’s why I support Scottish Independence, and the devolution of the EU.

    But … but … you said it should be close to the people … what’s it got to do with “why I support” … you don’t even live there! (And yer not Scottish by birth – as far as I know)

    Imagine the Poms getting involved in Victoria breaking away from the Commonwealth … I mean its so rich in resources* … you’d hit the roof … mind yer own fkn business …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Kneel, has got to be a high school kid … just got to be …

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2014 7:08 pm

    “… mind yer own fkn business …

    TB, do you ever comment on USA politics?

    (or Mexico’s??)

  19. Tom R permalink
    September 17, 2014 7:12 pm

    Kneel, has got to be a high school kid

    Our educational standards haven’t dropped that far yet have they?

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2014 7:17 pm

    TB, do you ever comment on USA politics?

    (or Mexico’s??)

    Only to tell you that they are basket cases … that we should avoid …

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    September 17, 2014 7:19 pm

    BTW ToM, until 1983 I was British … and I’m quite happy to leave it to the scots … they’re pretty smart bunch of humans …

    The biggest problem the Poms’l have is losing the Blackwatch, the Scottish Guards, The Lowlanders and the etc etc …

    Did I tell you I’m a big fan of bagpipes …. but not blowhards …

  22. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2014 7:22 pm

    Go Scotland!!

    VOTE YES!!!

  23. September 17, 2014 7:33 pm

    Go Scotland!!

    VOTE YES!!!

    Ur wull smash ye in ra geggy!

  24. September 17, 2014 7:35 pm

    ” Perhaps the Scots can show us how socialism works.”

    Wid ye shut yer geggy, it disnae half spout a lade a’ keech!

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2014 7:36 pm

    SUPPORT for the Yes campaign is increasing but it still lags just behind No on the eve of Scotland’s independence referendum, an exclusive poll conducted for The Scotsman reveals today.
    The Yes vote stands at 48 per cent compared with 52 per cent for No, when the undecided voters are excluded, the survey of more than 1,000 voters by ICM found.

    YES!! has the momentum!

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-poll-icm-puts-yes-up-to-48-1-3543614
    ———
    Ur wull smash ye in ra geggy!

    I’ll send that over for translation.

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 17, 2014 8:14 pm

    Well if the lefties want independence for Scotland i am therefore against it. Although it would be interesting to see how socialist Scotland goes. I would predict that within 5 years they would be running to England for a loan.

  27. September 17, 2014 9:15 pm

    ””’if the lefties want independence for Scotland i am therefore against it”””
    # yay! go teabag
    ———————————-
    l don`t give a fcuk what Scotlandia choose to do. l would just point out the Scots spent centuries selling themselves out to foreign interests(just like canberra does) and after any initial flagsturbation euphoria, they will probably return to form.

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 17, 2014 9:18 pm

    Strange thing about Scottish independence is that they want to keep the monarchy or so they say. Why not go all the way and get rid of it and become a republic?

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 17, 2014 9:52 pm

    Go Scotland!

    VOTE YES!!

  30. September 18, 2014 7:16 am

    VOTE YES AYE!!

  31. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 18, 2014 9:10 am

    I think it needs to be a big vote for YES for independence to be successful. If its 51-49 in favor it may create problems. Better if its 60-40 in favor.

  32. Walrus permalink
    September 18, 2014 5:55 pm

    Who gets Balmoral Castle by the way ?

  33. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 18, 2014 6:07 pm

    They are keeping the Queen aren’t they? Anyway, “The castle and estate remain the private property of the royal family, and are not the property of the Crown.”

  34. September 18, 2014 8:13 pm

    Fuck the Old Empire(s)!

    “I reckon it’s best to have decision making as close as possible to the people concerned. That’s why I support Scottish Independence…”

    Yup.

  35. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 18, 2014 8:21 pm

    Funny. Looks like all the lefties are in favor of independence. Just makes me think voting NO is the correct thing to do.

    I cannot see the point of having another country on this planet. Scotland is different enough to be another country but i cannot see the point.

    And then if they vote YES they are going to keep the Queen and then hand their independence over to Brussels.

  36. YES! permalink
    September 18, 2014 9:08 pm

    “mind yer own fkn business”

    Go fuck yourself.

  37. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 18, 2014 9:13 pm

    Thank you Neil

    I’ve been participating here and on its predecessors for 7 or 8 years, and finally I’ve been lumped in with the “leftists”

  38. September 18, 2014 9:22 pm

    Thank you Neil

    I’ve been participating here and on its predecessors for 7 or 8 years, and finally I’ve been lumped in with the “leftists”

    Don’t worry Tom.. Squeal calls everything he doesn’t understand “leftist” I’m most certainly not a leftist, whatever he thinks that is? He’s a truly obstinately irrational man. I am hoping for a Yes vote.
    I have been to Scotland twice and it is a wonderful, magically majestic place full of incredibly friendly people.

  39. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 18, 2014 9:31 pm

    Just to make a random comment, what did the world get out of Irish independence?

    Most of Ireland became independent before WW2 and then basically supported the Nazi’s for 5 years. Ireland was neutral in WW2.

    Scotland has a different legal system to England and has a culture different enough to be a separate country but i cannot see the point of another country.

    The only good thing about Scottish independence is that we could see how socialism works. Scotland has very few Conservatives. It would be run by the leftist Labour Party and the ultraleftist SNP. Should be a hoot.

  40. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 18, 2014 10:24 pm

    Yes Ricky, re friendly Scots.

    I spent a bit of time in Glasgow, and the rest of Scotland, years ago, I was pursuing a cute lass. She dumped me a few times, and eventually I got the message.

    I think I’ve spent a fair proportion of my life chasing women who would prefer to dump me.

  41. September 18, 2014 11:09 pm

    I spent a bit of time in Glasgow, and the rest of Scotland, years ago, I was pursuing a cute lass. She dumped me a few times, and eventually I got the message.
    I think I’ve spent a fair proportion of my life chasing women who would prefer to dump me.

    Oh the Scottish Lassies Tom. That soft spoken scottish brogue. I toured Scotland with my ex wife who was gorgeous and I did a few gigs while i was there some of those girls are wild. Glasgow can be a scary place did a gig in a big warehouse there. Spent a bit of time travlin in the islands and went right up to Cape Wrath..surely is a beautiful place and the highlanders hate the English and especially the Tories.

    The thing about chasin the ones you want is you never know till you try. Been chasin an incredible auto didactic llectual woman and we are great friends but alas thats a long tale which will no doubt be fodder for a song.

    Squeals above comment is no doubt confirmation of his expansive ignorance..see thing is I’ll wager he’s never been to either Scotland nor Ireland. Fuck I doubt he’s ever been OS..

  42. Meta permalink
    September 19, 2014 1:44 am

    Just to make another random comment….

    “[The President of Buranda plans a speech urging the Scots and Irish to fight against British colonialism”]

    Jim Hacker: Humphrey, do you think it is a good idea to issue a statement?

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: Well, Minister, in practical terms we have the usual six options:

    One: do nothing.
    Two: issue a statement deploring the speech.
    Three: lodge an official protest.
    Four: cut off aid.
    Five: break off diplomatic relations.
    And six: declare war.

    Jim Hacker: Which should be it?

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: Well:

    If we do nothing, that means we implicitly agree with the speech.
    If we issue a statement, we’ll just look foolish.
    If we lodge a protest, it’ll be ignored.
    We can’t cut off aid, because we don’t give them any.
    If we break off diplomatic relations, then we can’t negotiate the oil rig contracts.
    And if we declare war, it might just look as though we were over-reacting!”

  43. Meta permalink
    September 19, 2014 5:32 am

    (Obama pleads with Scotland to vote ‘No’am)

  44. September 19, 2014 7:51 am

    I cannot see the point of having another country on this planet. Scotland is different enough to be another country but i cannot see the point.”

    We interrupt our regular ignorance to bring you this:

    Educational Newsflash:

    Scotland always has been, and always will be “another country” you fucking moron.

  45. September 19, 2014 7:53 am

    “I’ve been participating here and on its predecessors for 7 or 8 years”

    Jeesus, has it been that long?

    What have I done with my life…….??!!

  46. September 19, 2014 8:02 am

    Tony Abbott says ‘terrorists” are targeting senior govt ministers… I guess this means they’re not that bad after all..

  47. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 19, 2014 8:22 am

    “Scotland always has been, and always will be “another country” you fucking moron.

    What i meant was that there will need to be Scottish passports, Scottish Embassies throughout the world. Everything will have to be duplicated. Scottish representation at the UN etc.

    What did the world get out of Irish Independence?? Well support for the Nazi’s for 5 years and an extra 10,000 sailors at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean because the Royal Navy could not use the West coast of Ireland to defend the merchant ships supplying Britain.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_neutrality_during_World_War_II#Condolences_on_Hitler.27s_death

    Ireland maintained a public stance of neutrality to the end by refusing to close the German and Japanese Legations, and the Taoiseach Éamon de Valera signed the book of condolence on Adolf Hitler’s death on 2 May 1945, and personally visited Ambassador Hempel, following the usual protocol on the death of a Head of State of a state with a legation in Ireland. President Douglas Hyde visited Hempel separately on 3 May.[41] The visits caused a storm of protest in the United States.”

  48. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 8:24 am

    What have I done with my life…….??!!

    More to the point, what have you done with ours!

  49. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 8:25 am

    I also read this morning that Obama is pleading for a NO vote. I guess it’s not really breaking away unless you go to war with ’em?

    What a tool. On the upside, at least he didn’t confuse that with tewwawism.

  50. September 19, 2014 8:31 am

    “What i meant was that there will need to be Scottish passports, Scottish Embassies throughout the world. Everything will have to be duplicated. Scottish representation at the UN etc.”

    And that’s a “bad thing” because………..??

  51. September 19, 2014 8:33 am

    “More to the point, what have you done with ours!”

    LOL… you are a funny bugger Tom….. 🙂

  52. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 8:49 am

    you are a funny bugger

    geez, you try to be serious …. 😉

  53. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 8:50 am

    Mind you, just my way of saying, thanks reb 🙂

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 19, 2014 8:55 am

    If Scotland leaves Britain will cease to exist.

    I guess it could join whyalla in that big hole where places that cease to exist go.

    What i meant was that there will need to be Scottish passports, Scottish Embassies throughout the world. Everything will have to be duplicated. Scottish representation at the UN etc…

    That will be a good thing, they will have their own voice. Why do we even need embassies anyway? Why not have a ‘world embassy’ in every country and you just walk in and head over to the counter of your own country [like in an airport]. Wouldn’t that save on all the spying and counter spying expenses? They could have a little motel or torture chamber attached for people like assange and snowden. Wouldn’t that be more streamlined and helpful for global politics? It’s gotta make things easier for ASIO and the others 🙂

  55. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 9:20 am

    Everything will have to be duplicated.

    Great point. We should just tag into American Embassies around the world. Think of the cost savings to be had there 😯

    Wouldn’t that be more streamlined and helpful for global politics?

    hockey would be proud ao 😉

  56. September 19, 2014 9:40 am

    “Mind you, just my way of saying, thanks reb”

    You’re welcome… 🙂

  57. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2014 9:53 am

    Why not have a ‘world embassy’ in every country and you just walk in and head over to the counter of your own country

    What a really great idea, KL!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    “mind yer own fkn business”

    Go fuck yourself.

    What a really dumb idea, ToSY …

  58. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 19, 2014 10:14 am

    “That will be a good thing,”

    That settles it. I am now against Scottish Independence.

  59. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 19, 2014 11:41 am

    Early polling looks negative.

    Shame really. It would have been funny watching a nation welfare bludgers being ruled by leftists while the UK got 50 years of conservative rule.

  60. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2014 11:48 am

    Fkn typical Glaswegians … its all the deep fried battered Mars bars they live off … too much sugar and fat …

    The results come as the BBC reports officials at the referendum count in Glasgow have said they are investigating 10 cases of suspected electoral fraud at polling stations

    Looks like the status quo is in front (nae’s seem to be in front of the ayes …

    … if I was asked, (please don’t say it!!) I would like the Scots to remain part of the UK … but its nothing to do with me, I don’t have to live with the decision … a few years ago I would have been very interested – Glenfiddich was my inckahol of choice … these days it WT so its no big deal … 🙂

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2014 1:07 pm

    The Scots probably needed a clearer picture of what the future would look like. Pity

  62. September 19, 2014 2:06 pm

    “The Scots probably needed a clearer picture of what the future would look like. “

    Perhaps.

    It seems that some were spooked by Cameron’s message that the Scots would no longer get the crumbs from the Tory’s dinner table if they opted for independence.

    It is a pity. Although it’s good to see democracy at work regardless of the outcome.

  63. armchair opionator permalink
    September 19, 2014 2:31 pm

    “…The Scots probably needed a clearer picture of what the future would look like. Pity…”

    That was an enormous scare campaign put on by media, business and pollies when they thought it would go the other way.
    That onslaught would have made the difference and is quite reprehensible really.

  64. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2014 2:40 pm

    ‘Yes’ required a huge leap of faith. It’s no wonder there was a little nervousness.

    It’s remarkable that despite all the uncertainty almost half wanted to get out.

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2014 5:09 pm

    ‘Yes’ required a huge leap of faith.

    Yes. And think of all those wasted beheadings at the Tower of London …

    It’s remarkable that despite all the uncertainty almost half wanted to get out.

    I thought you said you’d been to Glasgie? Just joking (it really is a beautiful country with great people)

    I think a lot of people actually seek change … we still get rumblings of a North Queensland breakaway … and the WA Premiere was burbling similar a few months ago …

    Remember the old IR technique too, ToM … create chaos so that you can ………………………

  66. September 20, 2014 10:54 am

    Truly Disappointing. Referendums are bound to fail as we know all too well. Especially when the torry neo cons run scare campaigns to maintain their tenuous power base.

    This whole exercise is an interesting commentary of the rotting carcass or the British empire. Like the election here, where pushing around half a win is not a clear mandate. The faster we detach ourselves from the shackles of colonialism and the dead weight of an irrelevant monarchy the better. Only then will Australis grow up. 😦

    I wanna see Squeal walk into O’malley’s or any Paddie bar on St Patts day and say “oh I heard you guys supported the Nazi’s . That I would love to see 🙂

  67. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 20, 2014 11:36 am

    “Especially when the torry neo cons run scare campaigns to maintain their tenuous power base. “

    Too funny- and people wonder why i do not trust socialists. Scotland has 59 seats at Westminster and only one votes Tory. If the Tories wanted to maintain their power base they would get rid of Scotland.

    “I wanna see Squeal walk into O’malley’s or any Paddie bar on St Patts day and say “oh I heard you guys supported the Nazi’s”

    Would gladly do it. Lots of Republican Irish did take part in WW2 but they served in a foreign Army (British) but went home in disgrace- treated as traitors.

    Tens of thousands of extra Allied dead because of Irish neutrality in WW2.

  68. September 20, 2014 11:29 pm

    ”””””””””””””””””I’ve spent a fair proportion of my life chasing women who would prefer to dump me.””””””””

    #oh.the.surprisement

    #must.be.an.onions.fault

  69. September 20, 2014 11:40 pm

    ””””””””enormous scare campaign put on by media, business and pollies””””””’

    #for.sure

    #while l don`t know the demographics for scotlandia, l would suspect they are an aging population, jobs been exported for decades and house prices and living costs soaring while income stagnates/shrinks for many(like us and the rest of teh-west) so they probably voted for `certainty` on the bread and butter issues, not uncertainty on housing, employment, pensions, national-health which be highly likely

  70. September 20, 2014 11:44 pm

    not uncertainty on housing, employment, pensions, national-health, education, which be highly likely effected if they voted for the `change`/independence

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 21, 2014 10:07 am

    “I wanna see Squeal walk into O’malley’s or any Paddie bar on St Patts day and say “oh I heard you guys supported the Nazi’s . That I would love to see

    Why would i get into trouble for telling the truth? The Irish govt after all these years finally got around to pardoning Irish soldiers who volunteered to serve in the British Army

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320615/Irish-soldiers-branded-deserters-leaving-neutral-army-fight-Allies-WWII-finally-pardoned.html

    A pardon for thousands of Irish soldiers who joined the British to fight Nazi Germany will help make amends for the shameful way they were treated after the Second World War, Ireland’s Justice Minister has said.

    The Irish Government has enacted legislation to grant an amnesty to the former troops – who were blacklisted and branded deserters at home.

    Ireland was neutral in WW2 and did nothing for 6 years. They were so upset when they heard about the death of Hitler the Irish President sent his condolences to the German embassy in Dublin.

  72. September 21, 2014 10:25 am

    Why would i get into trouble for telling the truth?

    Oh please do it and take a printout of Wiki with you to substantiate your position …… then again, you would probably enjoy a Guinness Enema inserted sideways in a Pint glass 🙄

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 21, 2014 10:42 am

    Don’t know what they would do. Maybe they are ashamed of what the Irish govt did in WW2.

    Just before D-day the Irish govt complained that there were Allied troops in Northern Ireland. The Irish did nothing in WW2 but moan and complain.

    Fact is there are tens of thousands of extra people dead because Ireland was neutral in WW2.

  74. September 21, 2014 10:46 pm

    Fact is…………………… wak wank wank toss toss

    Like I said [EDIT] You wont debate me publicly because you’re a lowbrow intellectual midget not engaged in political discourse other than regurgitating Murdoch propaganda and living in some bullshit cut past version of the past,

    I suggest you hit your local Paddie bar armed with your wiki printout facts and some Dutch courage to argue the point. They will punch 5 Sundays of almighty Jesus into your [EDIT] corn hole ..

    If you do please tell me so I can bring a film crew with some mood lighting to record the event in glorious 2kRaw DNG that cannot and will not be ever reproduced on your [EDIT] version of the NBN …

    Why don’t you fuck off over to Iain Halls bog , you both have the same thingin common
    1:complete cunts
    deviants
    3 trolls
    4: repetitively inane and clueless
    5. unliked and unwelcome

  75. September 21, 2014 10:48 pm

    Sorry Reb i’m sick of this fucktard troll… 🙄

  76. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 22, 2014 5:03 am

    Well i said Ireland was neutral in WW2 resulting in the loss of tens of thousands of allied lives. That is actually a fact.

    Before the USA entered the war the British were desperate for Irish help but none was given. The Royal Navy used to sail out and meet the merchant ships bringing supplies to Britain and protect them from German submarines. However there was a gap where they were unprotected. If the British were allowed to sail from Ireland the gap would have been much smaller. Of course the German submarines had a field day in this gap area.

    Once the USA entered the war the Allies were able to protect the merchant ships all the way across the Atlantic.

    It was impossible to be neutral in that conflict but the Irish were. They are responsible for the added deaths of tens of thousands of people.

  77. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:30 am

    ‘Sorry Reb i’m sick of this fucktard troll…’

    Rickyvaginapann

  78. September 22, 2014 7:09 am

    ANNOUNCEMENT:

    People can we please lift standards around this place? It seems that a few people are just coming here to abuse each other with little other input… I think we can do a little better than that.

    If you’re just going to continue down this path then you’ll find yourself banned permanently.

    I thank you.

  79. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:56 am

    People can we please lift standards around this place?

    I’ll do my best with some kulcha and xmas cheer 🙂

  80. September 22, 2014 12:09 pm

    ANNOUNCEMENT:
    People can we please lift standards around this place? It seems that a few people are just coming here to abuse each other with little other input… I think we can do a little better than that.
    If you’re just going to continue down this path then you’ll find yourself banned permanently.
    I thank you.

    Thanks for the sobering edits Reb, as you may have guessed I’m not quite over, nor have forgotten the fact that squeal called me “immoral”, ” a liar” and “responsible for deaths of detainees in detention” without so much as a substantiation or a Chinese meal…

    Too much? OK I’m a big boy… us academics are not above reasonable critique.

    My point was an arbitrary abject parallax idiom of extremism to highlight the absurd incongruity of such assertions by way of abstract convection…

    Combine that with 2 bottles of lovely precocious South Aussie chardy and a spliff of some dirt grown medicinal over a dumping lunch…..sufficed to say more tired and emotional colourful nuances of disdain than usual were regrettably drawn 😦

    I’m a not above apologia for such indiscretions. far be it from Moi to stifle progressive discourse from such a futile mind.

    Squeal is perfectly entitled to waterboard sorry.. watershed his contextual perspective ad nauseam.

    I applaud him insistently and consistently asserting that…

    Scotland isn’t a country
    He’s an expert on all the places he’s never been
    Irish are Nazi’s
    Abbott is a great and skilled PM
    Everyone who voted for the ALP or is against Abbott is immoral
    Anyone who voted for the ALP is a detainee murderer
    Scott Morrison is our saviour and the most moral man in Australia
    Baggage handlers on 200k and unions are to blame for the Qantas downfall not the CEO
    John Howard has never lied, pure of heart and the best PM eva
    Keating never reformed the economy as those 120 pieces of legislation never happened
    Costello was in fact not Lazy
    The GFC never happened
    Nothing actually happens now its all a redactive version of everything the ALP did in the past
    Ultimately everything is the ALP’s fault and only a lefitist would believe otherwise.
    Costello never sold anything the money just appeared
    Costello is in fact a god and just as Malcolm inverted the Net he invented economics.
    A surplus is the single most important economic principle in the known universe
    Anyone that disagrees with anything no matter how stupid from squeal is a leftie
    Cutting and pasting from Wiki is in fact the same as being there and doing it..
    Wiki is the defining text of the space time continuum after news.com.au
    Andrew Bolt is the gatekeeper of all knowledge..

    So please squeal… run free dear child, unencumbered by the burden of substantive proof, fact, personal experience or reality… let your innocent naivety flail in the winds of ignorance as the vanguard of abject thought defining the archetype Abbott disciple.

    ‘Sorry Reb i’m sick of this fucktard troll…’ Rickyvaginapann

    Ohh its back 🙄
    Look sweatheart… global warming is real, you’re not a scientists asshole (oh wait hang on.. 😯 ) and you in fact have a Vagina (Reb made that clear so until proved otherwise)….
    Get over it… move on….derail or whatever it is you do?

  81. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 12:58 pm

    squeal called me “immoral”, ” a liar” and “responsible for deaths of detainees in detention”

    He’s called pretty much everyone something similar at sometime Ricky. There’s nothing personal, it’s just a manifestation of his inability to respond in a meaningful or constructive manner.

    Scrolling helps, as does laughing 😉

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