Terror Threat Raised to Eleventy!

“”I acted for one of those men in a subsequent Supreme Court trial in 2008 and can tell you that the evidence presented to the court in that case suggested nothing of the sort.””

Maybe……………………..but not very innocent as the above blog post would like you to believe……

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/terror-five-wont-renounce-jihad/story-e6frf7kx-1111118070436?nk=c399817e610d715ee92165868c448e28

Bewdiful Splatter

I agree Splatter,…………..Abbott is just incredibly persuasive.

How else can anyone explain Abbott being able to get the US and UK leadership and their military on-board to run decoy by bombing the crap out of a few black clad Jihadists just so Abbott can hide away his Budget problems.

It must drive our resident Stadler and Waldorf (TomR and TB) stark raving mad

wally, I haven’t said there is no need for us to help out in Iraq. What I have said is from day one, tabot has amped this up to eleventy, and led with the gun. As he has initially with the Syrian “baddies v baddies”, the Ukraine, and now this sudden switch to a “witches brew of complexities” (amongst baddies and baddies apparently?)

Which made this quote quite remarkable in it’s context.

Mr Abbott praised Mr Obama’s response to the threat posted by Islamic State, also known as ISIL, which he said had been “calm” and “measured”.

“President Obama, as you know, has not been quick to reach for the gun here,” he told the Seven Network.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/there-are-clear-and-achievable-objectives-in-iraq-says-tony-abbott-20140915-10gykz.html

And now, we have this

Sydney in the firing line of Islamic State fanatics: Police escalate search for five rocket launchers

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-in-the-firing-line-of-islamic-state-fanatics-police-escalate-search-for-five-rocket-launchers/story-fni0cx12-1227058405350

The sheer brazenness of this “look over there” is just breathtaking.

This doesn’t mean that I don’t support us helping out in some way. I’m just not convinced of the path, as yet.

And Shorten and Labor are letting us all down by their me-tooism by just jumping on board, without asking quite pertinent questions, like, “is there another solution than just carpet bombing people?”

So how should the Abbott Government respond to this looming revenue crisis?

With their megaphones of course 😉

RT @Kieran_Gilbert: A-G Brandis says we're not at war: "it's a humanitarian mission with military elements" http://t.co/jbJVR8quwt—
Greg Jericho (@GrogsGamut) September 14, 2014

That’s a pretty interesting list of moneys taken out of the pie there ao in your link @ 2:02 pm

It has celebrated its first year in office by removing the carbon tax – which would have provided $6.6 billion in revenue – and replacing it with a direct action policy that will cost $2.55 billion.

And one of the first actions Hockey took on his ascension to power was to hand the Reserve Bank $9 billion, a decision that provided a direct hit to the budget bottom line and one he would be ruing now.

I’m sure there’s madness to method ao

The economy will sink further, blamed of course on Swan and greedy workers looking to gouge the poor mining magnates, and conditions will be lowered to suit. No minimum wage will be the saviour of the economy (who needs fiscal management when you have a huge pool of funds like wages to dip into?)

BLOW THEM TO HELL

Sounds like something Charlotte would say cum to think of it 😯

This new theatre has all the hallmarks of jingoism, but in the modern era our brave boys are bounty hunters in a desert landscape, using state of the art weaponry to destroy the IS terrorists.

The first stage should be a piece of cake, but if they hide amongst the civilian population in Syria it would open up a can of worms.

Methinks the broad coalition would settle for containment and avoid collateral damage.

oh no he didn’t, did he? 😦

😕

it is a mission

We’re on a mission from Rod!

‘Whose god does he mean, his or theirs? there’s so fkn many of them, they can’t all be the one true god.’

The Jews were the first to come up with a singular deity, then Jesus took advantage, followed 500 years later by Mohommad (sic) who absorbed a lot of the christian shit.

So technically speaking its the same dog and IS has been getting their messages from the Medieval Koran which is out of date. As you all know modern day Islam is a religion of peace, so Abbott is correct.

Personally I prefer a pantheon of dogs, for reasons beyond the scope of this comment.

How true, and obvious

The obvious answer is that austerity was never about tackling public debt. It was not even a political campaign to end the ‘culture of entitlement’. In the UK, in the eurozone, and now in Australia, austerity is, and always was, a thinly disguised campaign of invoking fiscal prudence and public virtues in order to indulge private vices and redistribute entitlements at the expense of the majority.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/austerity-comes-to-australia-lessons-from-the-eurozone/5684176

A good article on the submarine issue

The last of a new class of Japanese-built submarines might not even be delivered until 2035 or 2040. How sure can we be that within that time Japan will no longer be a US ally? That it will not have restored its long-standing ban on defence exports? That it will not have become a compliant neighbour of a predominant China, or on the other hand have become China’s bitter enemy? What would happen to our new submarine capability in any of these contingencies?

And there are several perfectly good alternatives. Some of them would even allow us to build our new submarines in South Australia, in a way that did not sacrifice our defence needs. The Abbott government has not yet seriously considered them.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/japanese-submarine-option-oddson-favourite-20140915-10gz7m.html

And that is without considering the levelness (or not) of the playing field. Why are the Japanese ready and willing to invest dollars to keep manufacturing in their country, but we are not?

The submarine Kukoryu was made by Kawasaki Heavy Industries and is said to be made with leading edge technology, costing Japanese taxpayers a hefty 53.4 billion yen (around US$540 million).

http://japandailypress.com/japan-launches-newest-submarine-kokuryu-amid-party-atmosphere-0438960/

so what’s your point ?

Because, wally, tabot is using this in the context of a Jihad war. Which is just what ISIS want.

He’s off on a friggin’ crusade, not discussing domestic politics like Rudd was, he’s unleashing the Rods of war with a biblical fervour.

Keep fucken religion out of it. From our side, at least, for Rod’s sake 😯

“”Which is just what ISIS want.””

Well that’s actually good and who cares what they want anyway.

If they want to believe that they are doing it all for Allah (entirely illogical to us) then it should be easier to despatch them and their horrid caravan of families post haste to their garden full of virgins.

(entirely illogical to us)

tabot appears to disagree

“Are you now arguing for them to be built here?”

No………………..I’m pointing out how stupid the argument in the article actually is in trying to throw up hypotheticals.

We might also be all wiped out by an asteroid ………………..

‘Abbott bribed Japan with a sub carrot to sign that bullshit trade agreement.’

Even worse, my crystal ball sees Jap Maglevs being built in SA.

you know the friendly, compassionate, understanding dog

As did the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland.

To me, religion is just another excuse for the release of anxieties as Babba Zanetti was wont to say.

‘That would be one of those Crack’d Liberal Party Crystal Balls sold off after the 2007 election …’

No, I have a new model.

‘Will the whole ME erupt as Europe and then the World did in 1939?’

Unlikely, because it would be counter productive. Going after IS is the equivalent of giving Hitler a king hit in a German pub and avoiding world war.

“”Will the whole ME erupt as Europe and then the World did in 1939?””

No !

This morning I was lucky enough to be able to buy several cases of ammo.

On the way home I stopped at the petrol station where a stunningly gorgeous blonde was filling up her car at the next bowser.

She looked at the ammo in the back of my ute and said in a very sexy voice, “I’m a big believer in barter. Would you be interested in trading sex for ammo?”

“What kind of ammo is it?”, I asked.

Well this is one of the few things i agree with the ALP ( I think). I think we should build the subs in Australia. I can see the logic however of buying them off the shelf like we do with the F35’s for example. Too may obvious reasons to list.

But the money stays in the country if we build them here. But of course can we build them?? The Collins spends most of its time under repair/service.

If we build them in Australia i would have one rule. When the sub is launched and goes out for sea trials the Union rep and some of the Union members who built the sub are on the boat. So if it sinks due to shabby work the Union rep and some of the Union workers go down with the ship.

I’m not in favour of the standard default positions re Iraq/ISIL. In summary-
*We’re a US lackey and always do as they tell us
*Abbott is just playing politics with war
*It doesn’t involve us

Obama made getting out of Iraq his election centre piece. He’s hardly likely to be persuaded to go back if there was another way to deal with that quagmire.

I’m entirely uncomfortable with us entering the region a decade ago promising a better life for the people of Iraq, then departing. After which thousands of religious zealots take over with a ‘convert or die’ approach to their nation building.

That the regard rape and sexual enslavement as spoils of war provides some justification for involvement too.

Opposing these expansionists isn’t about politics.

Iraq involves us because we helped f**k the place.

Did you read your Wiki link?? The first sub was commissioned/built/finished in 1996. Why was it not approved for operation until 2000? There was a time under Rudd where not one sub was able to put to sea. They are incredibly complex things to build.

But i think we should build them in Australia but perhaps build one every six years so the production line is operating continuously.

And like i said, have the Union rep on board when it goes out for sea trials.

“”Well this is one of the few things i agree with the ALP “”

Quick reb…………….send Neil’s IP Address to the NSW Police……………………clearly he has been kidnapped by a crazy Leftie who is obviously holding a loaded gun to his head as he sits at his keyboard and posts.

”Apparently we can find $250, 000, 000 every six months…

But the 8 times this amount – we spent installing roofing insulation, then removing it, was money well spent.

We went over there promising to do some really great things for the people, then it got difficult and unpopular, so we pissed off.

The government has asked if we would go back and help them fix up the f**king mess we helped create.

I’ve got a bit of an ethical problem with saying no. But they’re only my ethics, yours are apparently different. I don’t have any great problem with that.

”If we got it wrong the first time, what makes you so sure we’ll get it right this time?

I’m not suggesting there are guarantees, but I don’t like expansionist, violent religious zealots, who rape, slaughter and enslave as their form of nation building.

We helped give them a leg up, it’s best that was help try to rectify some part of the debacle.

Also, Ji is showing signs of being the antichrist.

‘fight smarter …’

Yep, that is what this is all about.

“You expect me to do your research AND answer your fkn questions … ask the Liberal Party … or Wally … he knows everything … who was in power after 1996?”

I think the answer is in your second link

“A 1999 report by the then CSIRO chief, Malcolm McIntosh, and former BHP managing director John Prescott said the Collins’ combat system should be junked, the vessels were noisy and vulnerable to attack, their engines broke down regularly, a badly shaped hull and fin made too much disturbance when they moved at speed under water, the view from the periscope was blurry, the communications system outdated and the propellers were likely to crack.”

Building of the submarine started in 1990 and was completed in 1994 but was not ready for service until 2000 because of “problems”

TB, you’re inclined to argue that if we help Iraq avoid the “convert or die” brigade we should-
• Invade Mexico
• Figure out why we didn’t invade some parts of the African continent
• Or America
• Or Europe

I don’t recall us going to all those parts of the world telling the population that we would give them a better life and lots of freedom.

When we** displace a despot and allow some violent, expansionist, uncompromising religious nutcase a run, we have a moral obligation to help fix up the problem.

But they’re only my morals.

**(yes “we” because the government acts on our behalf, and I know you prefer the collective commitment model)
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”And you think that the Catholic Church wouldn’t like to rule the World?

TB, where are the Catholics currently practicing the “convert or die” model of recruitment?

I think it is a far better process to have parliament decide whether or not we should to commit troops.

Politically though, (on this occasion) it would be a process that would wedge Shorten. Caucus deciding a position, followed by a possible (minor) parliamentary rebellion and all the fallout associated with that, it would probably result in a political advantage for Abbott.

(It’s cold out there in Winter for a humanitarian; without regimened governance, regular payments, reliable energy supplies, intact hospitalities, wholesome wheat, and desired international developments…

“The needs are enormous. A key factor in covering a significant part of the needs in this humanitarian crisis will be: the restoration of payment of salaries; the dispatching of medical supplies through the central system and; and the resumption of the Public Distribution System for food. “These actions will greatly contribute to stabilizing the humanitarian situation. Sustained funding and support will be needed in the months ahead.” UN humanitarian chief urges sustained funding to assist millions of Iraqis in need)

(“When we** displace a despot and allow some violent, expansionist, uncompromising religious nutcase a run, we have a moral obligation to help fix up the problem.

But they’re only my morals.”

A game of moral musical chairs might prove rhetorically interesting, at least for Fifi or Lulu, given that acclaimed promise of Operation Iraqi Liberation seemingly remains incomplete without God-on-Our-side and/or whilesoever ISIL monsters are perpetuating a death cult of pure evil.)

(Good to learn, also, that any hypothetico-futuro-(re)commendable ‘close combat advising‘ definitively is not ‘ground combat trooping’; and presumably-inferrentially that any (re)deployed Aussie (SAS) Forces likeways will not be leaving Help-Training HQ, other than a-little-bit-maybe to securitize humanitarian aid deliveries (at last count, via chatter in the Kurdish Press, ‘we’ had delivered three installments of small arms and ammunitions, including that one installment of 50-tonnes-worth hitherto reported domestically; and any heavier munitions yet to be openly discussed, which already might or might not have been interim-dispatched by interested parties and tentatively-received by central agency compounds on location, possibly also chattered about in the Kurdish Press, have not yet actually been delivered to anticipatedly-awaiting nominated Iraqi and Kurd allies being helped to help themselves in the field, so probably don’t count); like with/in exit-strategied Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, the Horn of Africa and Africa more generally, the Philippines, any number of Central and South American Banana and/or War-on-Droogs republics, permanent-and-rotational-base-hosting-nations throughout West and East Europe, and pivotal Asia-Pacific Centuryons, possibly including honourable submarine helpmates, etcetera.)

stopping people they suspect of having links

read as: looks like an Arab.

More hagiography for dear leader from the unbiased media scrum

‘Forget the fact…’

Inconvenient facts, but apart from the greenoids nobody else cares.

TB, this is my summary of your logic-

I heard the was a murder, and a rape too, in Chicago last week and we’re not invading them
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I don’t recall-
* Mexico requesting our assistance
* Us offering the people of Mexico more freedom and a better life
* Our military walking out of the place and leaving it to murderous religious nutcases

I’m happy to leave Mexico alone, and Chicago too.

* Mexico requesting our assistance
Well, “requesting” might be a rather generous way of putting it 😉

* Us offering the people of Mexico more freedom and a better life

No, they are actively preventing it.

* Our military walking out of the place and leaving it to murderous religious nutcases

Probably because we weren’t stupid enough to invade it initially.

“”And you might also address the other argument I mentioned – the fact that Islamic State is more than a local problem.””

Obviously TB doesn’t actually take seriously someone clad head to toe in black wearing a mask hacking off the head of a western journalist or aid worker whilst threatening to come after you next.

He sees nothing in those threats to worry too much about. I see it as good reason to take a carte blanche approach and to absolutely annihilate them and their accompanying caravan of feral families

Clearly he doesn’’t read much at all in fact otherwise he’d know that this scum we are dealing with actually want to in the very near future control Cyprus, Italy and Spain.

Yet he keeps repeating we should learn from history. He clearly thinks appeasement is some sort of hors d’oeuvre

‘…a wide variety of emerging markets.’

So I hear, but did you know that a gang of four aren’t going to the NY CC get together?

“”Killing lots of jihadists is a virtue in itself.””

It sure is. I do hope he packs plenty of napalm canisters and deals out an absolutely excruciatingly painful death to his targets. Much the same as a death by decapitation that a blunt serated steak knife might bring.

I think a few of those masked “heroes” of Allah would now be looking skywards with great trepidation shitting themselves wishing they had not left their home countries.

They cast their die……………………….Let ’em burn very slowly I hope

“”So, how many subs HAVE the Japanese sold? It’s a simple question””

None……….because they have in past years had a constitutional ban on the export of any military equipment.

Do we have such a ban ?

If not why have we not been able to sell any if they are so fucking great

“”So, none v none, and one with over a hundred years experience.””

I think there was, if I recall properly, the rather insignificant matter of a World War or something like that that perhaps prevented Japan from exporting post 1945.

This is what our Government is throwing away, just so they can seal a deal with Japan (or, most likely, to kick Aussie workers, because they dare to join a Union)

save the odd $20B

You keep using this number, but have not yet been willing to show the figures? Will they be available soon, or will just take the word of the party who invented “eleventy”?

Does that link mean that you don’t think that we are good enough to compete?

(That was then, this is now-ish: “The Navy, for its part, is interested in new technology under development by DARPA that can help detect enemy diesel-electric submarines using a series of underwater surveillance. The program would rely on a network of underwater satellites, known as subullites, and use sonar and other forms of detection. The program is known as Distributed Agile Submarine Hunting, or DASH for short. It, too, is early in development, with no fielding timeline set.” Hitch some IFFed UUVs to AI and we could dub it, Subnet.)

So, as anticipated, lib mouth piece numbers hey wally.

This is from the same mob who told us Labors estimate for the NBN was wrong, and that it would be somewhere around $100 billion. Turned out labors estimate was right, and theres wasn’t even in the eleventy region

And the $25 billion to buy is even by them a guestimate. Already it has been acknowledged this cost doesn’t including kitting them with, you know, basic equipment lol.

So parroting libs eleventy dollars still. I’ll wait until we see REAL figures (if we ever do)

Until then, they are just killing off Australian jobs for …. (insert reason here)

“This is from the same mob who told us Labors estimate for the NBN was wrong, ”

Rudd told us in 2007 the NBN would cost $4.7B and be finished in 5 years. Lots of foolish people believed Labor.

If it was me i would make the subs in Australia even if it costs $40B to do it here compared to $20B from Japan. But can we do it? Problem with manufacturing in this country is that we are not good at it and the Unions create trouble.

“You do realise that was a completely different model, don’t you?”

Exactly.

Labors 2007 NBN which it took to the election and help them win was a dud. So why should I trust Labor??

If we build the subs in Australia the money stays in the country. But we need to keep the Unions under control. Look how they milked the desal plant in Victoria. Companies in trouble seem to have strong Unions forcing high wages. eg. $100,000/year for a Qantas baggage handler.

Did the hammock dweller posit an opinion on what may have affected this “luck” he speaks off (of course he didn’t)

Mind you, I see he is still blaming the states for house prices lol.

“”So parroting libs eleventy dollars still. I’ll wait until we see REAL figures (if we ever do)””

Since when has the Crazy Left worried about costs or actually paying for anything. Just print more money is your mantra

At least its not costed on the back of an envelope or sodden beer coaster like the NBN or HIP

‘I need to see something more than your say so grodo.’

ADI sold out to the French Thales Group, not sure if they have an export market.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/defence/land-forces/weapon-systems-armament

‘You’e not interested in facts…’

I went to the transcript and down to CC, naturally I’m speechless.

One can only imagine the next industry we give away in order to get this one done. Merino Sheep perhaps? 😦

Well, that went well, didn’t it.

How long have the adults been in charge now? What a fckn joke

Ministers’ desperate dash to stop humiliating danger listing

http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/ministers-desperate-dash-to-stop-humiliating-danger-listing/story-fnii5v6w-1227060736120

TR we are buying from overseas because its cheaper.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-06/navys-new-supply-ships-will-be-built-overseas-johnston-confirms/5505736

Breaking Nooze

Cane Toad Venom Cures Prostate Cancer

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‘Then prove it.’

Can’t be bothered, but I accept that Abbott’s hate for the unions knows no bounds and I reckon he would pay double for Korean ships just to break the backs of Labor’s political wing.

Not only are overseas manufactured stuff cheaper, it is better quality.

the pantie dryness level has been raised from `moist` to `damp` #yay asio

””Reb locked up the back room and I have nothing further to say””’

as l told`ya several times in your dungeon, ya`junk-science aint pulling its weight, this ebola outbreak has already killed a few thousand poor bastards, the junk-science teabags are not going to wipe-out mankind before one of these sars/h1n1/ebola/superbugs will

All young Muslim men are guilty, until proven innocent.

‘Church-goers were left shaken after Islamic State supporters shouted death threats and waved the group’s sinister flag in Sydney on Wednesday.

‘A car drove past Our Lady of Lebanon Church at Harris Park, western Sydney on Wednesday night. Witnesses claim the flag was similar to those wielded by Islamic State jihadists hanging out the window.

‘A priest from the church told AAP the men in the car threatened to ‘kill the Christians’ and ‘slaughter their children’.

‘They were strong words and people were scared of what they saw,’ he said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2759536/Islamic-State-supporters-threaten-slaughter-children-Christian-church-goers.html#ixzz3DbmtBfek
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Walrus gave a ball park figure of $25 billion

No wally repeated a lib party eleventy figure, which, as we know from their NBN rubbery numbers, means jack.

There ARE no numbers as yet from Japan (we don’t even know for sure what is in the “free trade” agreement, let alone figures like that), so any number you come up with is just a wild guess, nothing more. In the case of the “$25 billion”, you can be guaranteed that is not even a guess, simply a figure plucked that suits their argument. With no “context” whatsoever.

This line from the article you linked to sums it all up.

Only Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering from South Korea and Navantia of Spain could bid, with Australian firms excluded.

That seems to be the libs default position, oh, except when it comes to sending our soldiers off to war that is.

To build ships that big they would need to revamp the building facilities, all in all its a no brainer.

‘Now, that’s not really true is it.’

Yes, for a few days I couldn’t comment.

for a few days I couldn’t comment.

Yet I’d bet the drivel continued regardless

‘*Fun fact: why do u think you couldn’t comment for a few days?’

Because I said the words ‘observational reality’ and ‘tipping point’ on a non weather related issue.

You are quite amusing TomR.

What’s the Australian Sub figure including provision for a cost blowout ?

The Japanese ships are already being built. Hence whatever the figure per ship is its likely to be capped. There would be no such safety net for the long suffering taxpayer.

The SA shipyards had their chance and they blew it last time.

The definition of idiot is someone who keeps doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

What village are you from again ?

The definition of idiot is someone who keeps doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

That’s no way to speak of egg.

Or yourself.

Hence whatever the figure per ship is its likely to be capped.

What is that figure? Where is the contract that says what it is capped at?

Aren’t WE currently experiencing cost blowouts with the strike fighters? Isn’t our gubamint happy with that (when it is American blowouts), but UNACCEPTBLE when it is Australian ones?

What I’m asking for is a considered examination of ALL the factors, not going on a rubbery figure and promise from a lot of proven liars.

I guess that is too much to ask for

The FTAs with Japan and Korea means we can buy state of the art equipment from our allies at a reasonable price and squeeze the yanks out.

Yes, Abbott is just so manipulative!

* Has the Iraq government request international assistance
* Gets Obama to announce war plans
* Manipulates the retiring ASIO boss to raise the threat assessment
* Manoeuvres Shorten to support him
* Gets the AFP, NSW and Qld police commissioners deploy near 1000 police to raids

…all a distraction to his budget/political woes!

Gets Obama to announce war plans

Yes, over here, we keep getting the “war” meme Thank Rod Obama is there to dampen down little tabots enthusiasm

“This is not and will not be America’s fight alone. One of the things we’ve learned over this last decade is America can make a decisive difference. But I want to be clear: the American forces that have been deployed to Iraq do not and will not have a combat mission,” Mr. Obama said
……..
After a decade of massive ground deployments it is more effective to use our unique capabilities in support of partners on the ground so they can secure their own countries’ futures. And that is the only solution that will succeed over the long term,” the president added.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-says-it-again-no-ground-troops-in-iraq/

I somehow feel much more comfortable with that then with “baddies v baddies” in a “witches brew”

…all a distraction to his budget/political woes!

It’s called luck, in his eyes anyway, and it is obvious both since he was elected, and the manner in how he conducts himself now, that he will play it for all it is worth.

That is a development and manufacture program just like an SA Sub program would be

Big difference

Just like … big difference ❓

“Just like … big difference “”

Yeah well I didn’t think you’d quite get the difference between being a partner in the development and manufacture as opposed to just the manufacture.

Clearly that one extra long word was too much to ask

(C’rect. The potential Japanese vendors have already indicated that a transfer of underlying technologies, even just to allow domestic building and maintenance, could prove more costly than a purely domestic build, so best build them over there and not ask too many questions, if cost is king. Also a perfect way to ensure that all the opportunity of relinquishing expertise in the domain of intended outsourcing is fulfilled: government can become streamlined as not even an informed purchaser. We could add that an obsession with ‘cheaper is better’ becomes over time ‘expensive crap is the best you can hope for, because beggars can’t be choosers, and because you gave away the underlying capacity to control cost and quality, and because you wouldn’t know either way now that you’re reliant’. Which is perfect for unimportant activities like ‘defence’, I guess.)

Meta………you could say that about absolutely anything complex that we import.

To my knowledge and because of costs we don’t manufacture a single computer in this country. And I’d imagine we are very reliant upon them for Defence.

So you could use the same argument as the one you have outlined above about almost anything.

‘Which is perfect for unimportant activities like ‘defence’, I guess.’

Its unimportant in that we have no foreseeable enemy, except small terrorist cells, swarthy looking guys with beards.

‘I mean its not beyond the scope of reality that Abbott would use anything for political opportunity right?’

That’s right, this mess just fell into his lap.

So, there go the police again- off half cocked.

They’re saying that there was a (so called) plot to take a citizen and behead them in the CBD on film, draped it the IS flag. I say-

* We now know that those so called plots are nothing more than some mates just shooting the breeze.
* It’s the way a group of inoffensive guys ‘bond’
* More people have died in this country from drinking bad catholic alter wine than beheading by terrorists. Where’s the outrage about that?
* We have to learn to be nicer and more tolerant of religious nutcases that are mass murdering rapists.
* Which CBD anyway? It makes a difference. If it wasn’t Melbourne, I really don’t see what it’s got to do with me.
* Did we arrest that guy in Mexico that murdered someone last week?
* It’s about time Abbott owned up that this is just a political stunt
* Thank you

(seriously on this occasion)

Personally, I honestly don’t think religion is the cause of the violence – it’s just an excuse.

As I’ve boasted outlined previously, I’ve had a few adventure trips through the middle east (a while ago). My main observation is that there is a widespread tolerance of anger as a rational reaction to a problem. Lots of people have their temperament set at ‘simmer’ and quite quickly increase it to boiling. If anger is mainstream, violence will be more common.

There is plenty of superstition too. It’s about like Salem burning witches 400 years ago.

That’s cultural, not religious. I haven’t observed the same type of resentful anger among Muslims in Indonesia or Malaysia.

“”Ignorant comment … I build my own computers …””

Yeah and I bet you’d excel at putting together the motherfuckerboard

Oh………fantastic………………………….I bet the lads flying our F18 Super Hornets over Northern Iraq would love to have one of your home made computers managing all their inflight systems and fire controls whilst flying over hoards of black clad nutcases brandishing in one hand rather sharp swords whilst in the other a pike with a human head sitting atop

If it’s not enough that you constantly refer to your friggin khaki uniform now we have to put up with the vision of you in your friggin’ safari suit partially draped in a white lab coat putting together a motherfuckerboard.

Fuck you are so full of yourself !

(But, but, but, after years of preparation and training, and months of watching, and days of considering and briefing, and no time planning a morning of smooth-targeting, Mr Scipione says, “All of those plans that may have been afoot are thwarted”.)

Personally, I honestly don’t think religion is the cause of the violence – it’s just an excuse.

I AGREE!

Mind you, religion is the tool used to heighten the fevered mind. It is (and has been for thousands of years) a way of vindicating (to some minds) actions otherwise intolerable.

It is good that the police have acted on the information they have. I note the media had much the same information? Here in little old Adelaide, we had to settle for watching our special forces going through the motions. It is concerning how orchestrated the whole media and police actions are though. And the fact that, from the reports, the tip off came 4 months ago? I’m not saying that the timing, coming as it does with our non-war efforts in Iraq ramp up, looks all too stage managed or anything.

I was just reflecting last night, however, as watched the terror quotant reach elventy infinitleed, how that for most of howards term, “the terror” was front and center, ramped up to “eleventy” for the assembled mainstream, then we had a brief hiatus (with the police still arresting and charging people along the way), and now, all of a sudden, “the terror” is back with a vengeance.

Purely coincidental, I’m sure?

I mean, yes, there is definitley a heightened action around extremists. I just hope we don’t lose sight of the role that we (not collectively) took in it’s creation.

Obama’s speech the other day re-inforcing “no boots on the ground” is encouraging. However, I fear it is very premature.

a senior political reporter or still the PM …

If you are able to define the differentiation there for us plebs please TB 😉

They want to return over a million refugees to Syria, its a humanitarian crisis until this death cult is eliminated from the planet. The ‘do nothing’ green alternative is not worth thinking about.