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Rostrum: Special Tony Abbott Appreciation Day Edition!

September 19, 2014

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Recently our much maligned Prime Minister Tony Abbott lamented that the Australian media had not given him much credit for the stellar job that his government has been doing since elected to govern this once great nation some twelve months ago.

Well his prayers have finally been answered with the miracle of a so-called “terrorist threat” suddenly appearing before the Australian public to scare the bejeebus out of any good dog-fearing middle class, pearl necklace and twin-set adorned middle class white Australian.

The message from Tony is clear.  There are people in our midst who want to kill us all ….!

According to Tony, these so-called –  let’s call them “people” – don’t simply hate us for what we do, they hate us for what we are.

Ok, so some of them do actually hate us for what “we” do too, but that’s kind of beside the point.

You see, according to the prevailing “wisdom,”  those poor, displaced, disenfranchised persons in Iraq and Afghanistan, are not so much aggrieved about living in abject poverty and being subjected to military air strikes emanating from the West for the last ten or 20 years or so with thousands of civilian casualties, families lost and loved ones murdered, no, “their problem” is their stubborn inability to appreciate the merits that freedom and liberty brings.

Why are they so ungrateful?

Obviously it’s a complicated situation, with many issues and risks to consider.

Logic would dictate that in such precarious circumstances, a level headed and sober analysis of the predicament may lend itself to some clear and insightful strategies ahead.

But that sort of thing is just a reckless, feel-good indulgence of many smug inner city latte types who have no gumption to show these Muslin fucks that we mean business.

Quite simply it’s a luxury we can not afford.

Especially when any one of us could be beheaded simply for nipping down to Coles to get a carton of milk.

Be alert, alarmed and fkn hysterically terrified.   They’ll be shooting up our churches next unless we act now!

Thankfully, we can rest easy with Team Australia and Captain Abbott protecting our good citizens.

Our “humanitarian effort” will bring much needed arms, weapons and military airstrikes to this already war-torn region to help these poor souls appreciate that we have their best interests at heart.

600 of our nation’s finest are on their way to deliver this message of good will and dog help them if those Muslin fuckers aren’t grateful.

 

 

 

 

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703 Comments leave one →
  1. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 19, 2014 10:48 am

    Occupy Twitter

  2. armchair opionator permalink
    September 19, 2014 11:58 am

    Enjoyed that post reb, you have accurately described tony’s fears.
    We do hate him for all that he is and all that he does, i can understand that people want to bomb parliament and kill him. I feel that way myself at times.

  3. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2014 12:21 pm

    “”…….i can understand that people want to bomb parliament and kill him. I feel that way myself at times.”

    You are a fucking moron !

  4. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 12:44 pm

    I feel that way myself at times.

    Careful ao, they’ll be knocking at your door soon with thoughts like those 😯

  5. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 12:48 pm

    Meanwhile, the economy rumbles on

  6. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 1:04 pm

    It’s all in the context I guess

    Australia’s ‘humanitarian mission’ in Iraq includes troops and Super Hornets. It comes just months after our aid budget to the troubled nation was cut to zero. Max Chalmers reports.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/18/tony-abbott-ended-aid-iraq-months-calling-humanitarian-intervention

  7. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 1:08 pm

    You are a fucking moron !

    yea ao, you should have said something kind and caring, perhaps to do with a chaff bag perhaps? 😯

  8. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 1:16 pm

    A story with plenty of “but, they could, they miight have,…. I reckin they did…..!” But essentially a story about nothing, except perpetuating the smear that the royal collision is all about. The gubamint and murdor working in collusion to smear their ideological opponents. And all in the name of “free speech (free reign more like it).

    Should “the oz” be renamed The Seinfeld?

    POLICE say the building industry needs a “fit and proper person” test to stamp out criminality, as they dumped explosive claims in the royal commission investigating trade union governance yesterday that union officials have links to organised crime and use bikie gangs to intimidate and collect debts.

    However, Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union barrister John Agius SC forced Victoria Police crime chief ­Stephen Fontana to admit the one example he had raised of a union-aligned bikie was a non-financial CFMEU member.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/top-cop-stephen-fontana-of-victoria-police-firm-on-union-bikie-links/story-fn59noo3-1227063353935

    Funnily enough, the oz got their bolding the wrong way round. They bolded the wishful thinking, but then left the actual facts in the sub of the story. Like this gem down near the bottom

    He also clarified under oath that union offici­als were not involved in drug-trafficking and no union official had been charged with blackmail or extortion offences.

    Yet the whole story is fucking well about those claims! Dickwads!

  9. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 1:18 pm

    more slime from the fuckers

  10. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 19, 2014 1:28 pm

    How smart is your average iPhone user:

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2014 1:47 pm

    I think the reporting of these domestic threats would be similar if the media substituted “outlaw bikie gang’ for “Islamic militants”

    If there was some offshoot of a bikie gang that was extorting, raping, murdering on a massive scale overseas, who also did some thrill killing on video, and they made some plans to bring those criminal, violent gangster habits here… have a local chapter, and inform us by a filmed execution, the reporting would be quite widespread.

    In reality, the background of most of these “domestic threats” seems to be a criminal record of violence and drug dealing as well as accepting a regular welfare cheque. They’re like bikies.

    If the police planned a raid on a dozen bikie houses, there would be plenty of police, plenty of media coverage and plenty of politicians announcing a “strong on crime” policy.

  12. September 19, 2014 1:59 pm

    “i can understand that people want to bomb parliament and kill him. I feel that way myself at times.”

    Touche.

  13. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 2:02 pm

    Guessing this means Hirds back to court for his appeal?

    Essendon will claim about them being hard done by. Of course, they could put themselves out of misery by stopping the bullshit arguments, and get to the point. What the fuck did you pump your players full of?

    BREAKING: Middleton dismisses applications brought by Hird and Essendon.
    ..
    Middleton: ASADA complied with the rule of law.

    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-v-asada-judgment-day-20140919-3g3lu.html

  14. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 3:07 pm

    If the police planned a raid on a dozen bikie houses, there would be plenty of police, plenty of media coverage and plenty of politicians announcing a “strong on crime” policy.

    It’s almost as if you seem to be implying that makes it right?

    It’s also surprising they haven’t been able to link the Unions with them (yet)

    I’d feel a lot better if there wasn’t such a long pattern of behaviour though

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/seeking-calm-amid-violence-fear-and-outrage-20140918-10iwud.html

  15. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 3:11 pm

    For now, the conduct of Australia’s sports anti-doping agency – intensely scrutinised and criticised over the last 20 months – has been affirmed.

    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/asada-trumps-essendon-in-federal-court-battle-20140919-10jbok.html

    For now is not a term used when reporting other court cases, except the ashby one where he appealed (then ran like rabbit in the headlights when he won the right to another court hearing)

  16. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2014 3:23 pm

    I’m pointing out that the reporting is no more sensationalist or politically motivated than if it was ‘bikiephobic’

    The coverage of a police raid of a Hells Angels clubhouse has been similar. I’ll have to find the link to a raid in Coburg that involved a hundred police.

    …and given that many of these ‘freedom fighters’ have a history of violence, drug dealing and welfare benefits, the reporting seems pretty balanced.

  17. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 3:34 pm

    the reporting seems pretty balanced.

    Well, if “sensationalist or politically motivated” is “pretty balanced” then…

    But I AGREE, the reporting (and egging on by pollies) IS “sensationalist or politically motivated”. Which is the main problem.

    It should be worrying that what isisl want is PRECISELY what our political leaders and compliant media are supplying. It would be funny, if it wasn’t so sad.

    howard in power = “terror alert”
    Labor in power = “back to everyday business”
    tabot in power = “terror alert”

    You have to acknowledge, the pattern is indisputable.

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2014 3:35 pm

    In a huge show of force, more than 700 officers, including federal police, carried out around 60 raids on bikie clubhouses and other properties, including in the regional centres of Bendigo and Ballarat.

    So over 700 police raided the Hells Angels around Melbourne, and 800 raid properties of people planning a thrill kill/terror spectacle/beheading around Sydney.

    Does anyone really think that the police should enter dangerous situations undermanned and unobtrusively?

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-10/melbourne-police-raid-motorcycle-gang-clubhouses/5013092

  19. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 3:37 pm

    In a huge show of force

    Precisely my point yomm

  20. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 4:12 pm

    Yep, the libs, their royal conniptions, and murdor, it’s like a giant, corrupt, human centipede

    better late than never, but job done.

  21. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2014 4:14 pm

    …and my (basic) points-

    ° It isn’t Islamophobic to send a huge contingent of police into a raid, anymore than it is ‘bikiephobic’
    ° The media (in my view) didn’t report the latest ‘show’ any more sensationally than they reported the fact that outlaw bikie gangs had lots of guns and produced/sold drugs.
    ° Politicians of any complexion will stand next to the police at press conferences following such activities

  22. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 4:26 pm

    Politicians of any complexion will stand next to the police at press conferences following such activities

    I recall two such politicians standing next to ASADA a while back. Didn’t they get hammered for that. I wonder when the apologese will begin?

    Mind you, that was a pretty different scenario to what we have here.

    A gubamint languishing
    A budget floundering
    WAR is announced
    TERROR is heightened.
    Our man of action is across it all (and even has to break ANOTHER pledge) to take control of ……what has previously (well, the past few years anyway) been done with little fanfare.

    Like you said, the BIG announcements were for Bikie busts and ex union officials.

    Don’t mind me if I smell a rat.

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2014 4:27 pm

    Well that sent the right governments message, sharp, quick slitted witted and hit the head on the nail, sreb … well done …

    But what does it all mean?????????????????

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2014 4:39 pm

    How smart is your average iPhone user:

    I dropped a hammer this arvy should I ring up the local “news” and get ’em out … or just recreate it on video and send it in?

    You really have to ask WGAFF!

    There are tewowists on the street! Dontcha know!

  25. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2014 4:41 pm

    “”I recall two such politicians standing next to ASADA a while back. Didn’t they get hammered for that.””

    “”Widespread drug use””……………what ever happened to that…………………?

    NRL= 19 players (possibly) out of approx. 432

    AFL = 20 ish players out of what say ………….500 players

    Cricket = ZERO out of approx. 36 contracted Australian Players…….not even including Shield or First Grade otherwise at another 500

    A-League = ZERO out of approx. 180 players

    Rugby = ZERO out of approx. 480

    So 39 players out of approximately 1600

    And what happened to all the match fixing.

    You are fucking full of it TomR

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2014 4:52 pm

    If there was some offshoot of a bikie gang that was extorting, raping, murdering on a massive scale overseas, who also did some thrill killing on video, and they made some plans to bring those criminal, violent gangster habits here… have a local chapter, and inform us by a filmed execution, the reporting would be quite widespread.

    D’ja what?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … except the ashby one … Mmmmm … speaking of Ashby …

  27. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2014 4:59 pm

    So over 700 police raided the Hells Angels around Melbourne, and 800 raid properties of people planning a thrill kill/terror spectacle/beheading around Sydney.

    The first lot were looking for two rifles (they did find a heap of ammunition its seems) … the second lot have been accused of planning a beheading (wouldn’t call it a thrill kill exactly) but as yet I’ve not seen any evidence of that … have you, ToM?

    BTW I read right through you link … no mention of public beheadings … just gang wars … bad enough and possibly as dangerous I suppose … but I don’t recall any pollies browbeating the fear of Beelzebub into us at every opportunity …

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2014 5:03 pm

    ° It isn’t Islamophobic to send a huge contingent of police into a raid, anymore than it is ‘bikiephobic’

    Oh, I missed that, who said it was? Someone here? Or elsewhere?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You are fucking full of it TomR

    WTF is IT … TR?

    At least I’m full of myself … apparently … according to the thrill krill killer … 😉

  29. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 5:07 pm

    “”Widespread drug use””……………what ever happened to that…………………?

    The link to the latest in the Essendon debacle is further back up the thread.

    To have an entire team operating at the top level were injecting fuck knows what into their player list is absolutely horrifying imo.

    Plus, there were also other players throughout the league, but to have an entire team from a field of 16, at that level, would be described as “widespread”.

    Unfortunately, this still has a long way to go, and, the longer Essendon drag this through the courts, the dirtier it will get. They should have taken their medicine (?) like the Rugby club did and move on with their life.

    Personally, I hope the book gets thrown at them if the appeal fails, just for making it get so low down and dirty.

    Interestingly, their defense still isn’t that they did no wrong, but that those who found out did wrong. Bizarro world.

  30. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 5:09 pm

    but I don’t recall any pollies browbeating the fear of Beelzebub into us at every opportunity …

    Not since howie anyway

  31. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2014 5:15 pm

    1 AFL team and 1 NRL team (with backdated penalties anyway) is not by any definition widespread when you also haul in Rugby, Soccer and Cricket.

    Don’t try and defend the indefensible idiot od Jason Clare and whoever the other idiot (name escapes me) was.

    And what happened to the match fixing ?

  32. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2014 5:22 pm

    “”… the second lot have been accused of planning a beheading (wouldn’t call it a thrill kill exactly) but as yet I’ve not seen any evidence of that …””

    If you actually bothered to keep up you’d find that the Crown Prosecutor stated yesterday in opposing bail that the Crown had phone recordings of the planning of the killing.

    I suppose you reckon he’s perjuring himself ?

    The extreme Left that you love so dearly just love Islam…………you really can relate to it.

  33. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2014 5:35 pm

    radical Islam that is

  34. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 5:52 pm

    And what happened to the match fixing ?

    Lets not re-write history here shall we

    AUSTRALIA’S top sporting codes have been rocked by revelations that organised crime is behind the increasing use of banned performance-enhancing drugs by ”multiple athletes” across sporting codes and possible attempts to fix matches and manipulate betting markets.

    The heads of all the main professional and participation sports expressed shock after being briefed on a 12-month investigation by the Australian Crime Commission that found professional sport in Australia was ”highly vulnerable to organised crime infiltration”.

    Police are pursuing evidence that some coaches, sports scientists and support staff at clubs have orchestrated or condoned the use of banned drugs and that organised crime figures distributed the drugs.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/this-is-the-blackest-day-in-australian-sport-20130207-2e1i3.html

  35. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 5:53 pm

    2:33pm: Summary:

    It’s hard to see that as anything other than a resounding victory for ASADA. In his approximately 20 minute judgment, Justice John Middleton dismissed the applications made by James Hird and Essendon.

    Importantly, Middleton has not set aside any show-cause notices, meaning that the 34 notices issued to the former and current Essendon players will continue to stand.

    Essendon and Hird have until October 1 to appeal the judgment, otherwise they will be forced to pay ASADA’s costs.

    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-v-asada-judgment-day-20140919-3g3lu.html

  36. September 19, 2014 6:48 pm

    “”Widespread drug use””

    #NTTAWWT

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    September 19, 2014 6:54 pm

    I suppose you reckon he’s perjuring himself ?

    Did I say that … or you?

    The extreme Left that you love so dearly just love Islam…………you really can relate to it.

    Jesus Fucking Christ! After almost a decade of reading my comments – I’m a now EXTREME Left – and relate to – something? … what planet do you come from …

    Oh, yeah the DEEP … shakes head …

  38. September 19, 2014 7:03 pm

    Explicitly overstating the magnitude of the threat.

    Ratcheting up the fear.

    Hoping the population will roll over & acquiesce to massive privacy invasion & unprecedented levels of governmental oversight.

    * that’s not to say that I have an issue with the AFP curtailing criminal nutjobs, religious or otherwise.

    ** but you’d have to be a partisan arsehat not to notice the emaciated terror cow being milked for all it’s worth. I wonder what it could all be calculated to distract us from?
    Still, conservatives love to be unnecessarily frightened so that Daddy can come along & make them feel safe by infringing the entire population with opportunistic paternalist oversight. Incrementally introducing impediments to privacy which will never be wound back by any government.

    *** even if someone were to be beheaded in Oz, the threat is still overstated. Stupid fucks are acting like hordes of IS are marching through our streets. A more honest assessment would be that the actual magnitude of the threat likely numbers in the hundreds, within Australia…out of a population of 20+million(?)…hmmmm, hardly the monolith being used to make us piss our knickers. Still, pantswetters will be pantswetters; lucky for Tony, coz it’s the pushbutton issue which never fails.

    **** definitely worth reposting IvIeta’s link…https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/04/media-challenging-arguments-war-baying-blood/

    ***** funnily (or not) enough, Obama may well be hoping for a similar terror bounce; that must cause the likes of Bolt tremendous frustration while constructing their cookie cutter narratives…having said that, the US is probably under legitimately greater magnitude of threat from such attacks. I wonder why they’d be considered a big fat target by the godbothering sandpeople? Meanwhile, genuine threats to the ‘broader church’ of humanity, ala ebola, go relatively unnarrated…I wonder why?

  39. September 19, 2014 7:07 pm

    “The extreme Left that you love so dearly just love Islam…………you really can relate to it.”

    Possibly one of the most ridiculous retorts I’ve read here.

    Pretty sure that the ‘Left’ here are the ones who most often criticise religious infiltration into the life of everyman. Islamic fundamentalism is the prime example of its repugnant possibilities.
    The ‘Right’ seem to defend their favoured fairy tale club & get all hed up about their natural competitors in the contest for fable believers.

  40. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 7:19 pm

    I wonder what it could all be calculated to distract us from?

    It’s truly a mystery to me

    Possibly one of the most ridiculous retorts I’ve read here.

    Speaking of which, whatever did happen to snacty? 🙂

  41. September 19, 2014 7:25 pm

    I couldn’t stand the prick in 1979 and he has aged like a stale bottle of piss. I cannot find one redeeming feature in the smarmy radical right wing god bothering catlick nutter.. He makes my bowels ache

    Fuck you project some utter faecal matter wally? I declare Jihad on your ass trumpeted projection.

    Off we go to war…oh look we found some terrorists who want to behead you on the same day…see you should thank us…what budget?

    Should I throw this picture away the? or is this the hidden track on America’s greatest hits?

  42. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 7:29 pm

    on the same day

    The Thickens plot

  43. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 7:30 pm

    now THIS is a fridge magnet

  44. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 7:37 pm

    #NTTAWWT

    Thinking of an age old dream, places I have never seen,
    Fantasies lived times before.
    I split my brain, melt through the floor.

    Over clouds my mind will fly, forever now I can’t think why.
    My body tries to leave my soul.
    Or is it me, I just don’t know.
    Memories rising from the past, the future’s shadow overcast.
    Something’s clutching at my head, through the darkness I’ll be led.

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2014 7:38 pm

    I can’t figure out the logic of some, in summary-

    • 700 police raid bikie houses, because maybe there’ll be a bikie skirmish and some bikies might get hurt – that’s the work of police and it’s ok
    • 800 police raid some religious nutcases because they plan to cut the head off some random member of the public and film it – that’s fear mongering and a stunt …by the politicians(!!)

  46. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2014 7:42 pm

    “Possibly one of the most ridiculous retorts I’ve read here.”

    As opposed to your monumentally stupid rants about religion which seem to pervade every one of your posts in one way or another

  47. September 19, 2014 7:50 pm

    Yes, as opposed.

    And please demonstrate where my posts are incorrect.

    Given that I rarely post, it shouldn’t be too hard for you.

    “Monumentally stupid”…this would qualify…”“The extreme Left that you love so dearly just love Islam…………you really can relate to it.” Pure crap.

    Your rants are just about a particular religion & particular politicians.

    I’m not the one who comes across as monumentally stupid.

  48. September 19, 2014 7:51 pm

    Piss your pants about the minor threat. It becomes you.

  49. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2014 7:54 pm

    As opposed to your constant ranting about all religion. My rants are about extremes of one religion dickhead.

  50. Walrus permalink
    September 19, 2014 7:55 pm

    Do go fuck yourself

  51. September 19, 2014 7:58 pm

    So you also believe the AFP and State police are in on a giant conspiracy.

    That just shows how monumentally stupid that comment of yours is

  52. September 19, 2014 8:12 pm

    “Do go fuck yourself”

    Oh come on Walrus you can do better than that… 😯

  53. September 19, 2014 8:33 pm

    “So you also believe the AFP and State police are in on a giant conspiracy.”

    Err, no. You need to read what I actually type. I tend to qualify my statements.

    Here are two hints…

    #1- “* that’s not to say that I have an issue with the AFP curtailing criminal nutjobs, religious or otherwise.”

    #2- “** but you’d have to be a partisan arsehat not to notice the emaciated terror cow being milked for all it’s worth.”

    Your comments sure don’t come across as being “about extremes of one religion”. They are much more general than that; particularly regarding muslims. I don’t defer to any of them.

    I have noted that most people (of any religion) do not represent the extreme opinions & actions (which are fear fodder) of those religions, many times in the past. I’m not beholden to partisan bulletpoints or adhering to an ideological line. I tolerate religion, but, at it’s core it is all simply human authored fantasy; please prove otherwise.

    In the long run, entrenched potential governmental overreach is a far graver threat to Australian citizens than the latest foreign boogeyman…no matter how gaudy & overstated this week’s threat is conflated to be.

    dickhead *hyperventilate

  54. September 19, 2014 8:35 pm

    I’d be very interested in seeing you demonstrate where I’ve recently adulated Islam, or defended it’s repugnant fringe.

  55. September 19, 2014 9:01 pm

    Have you read IvIeta’s link YomM?

  56. September 19, 2014 9:18 pm

    Do go fuck yourself

    Oh come on Walrus you can do better than that… 😯

    My point is simple… and like you Wally I have no tolerance for these radical religious whack jobs whatsoever. “0” Nada I totally agree with you, but i’m an atheist and look at all religion with contemptuous disdain.

    What’s with this oh..its all a leftist conspiracy they are terrorist sympathisers? what’s with that shit? Complete bollocks. You sound like Sqweal… The left killed Laura Palmer the left killed baby azaria..oh my toast is cold …bloody left…

    I mean seriously WTF? It really sounds like you are fucking yourself. What only one Ligion has radical fucktards?

    A bunch of radical neocon dog botherers posing as conservative moderates warning me about radical Jihadists where they have been sitting on intelligence for a few months and it drops on the day we send troops to a place we just pulled out of?

    I am cynical because this government has earned my cynicism by way of there serial “Surprise” litany of lies… just me that doesn’t trust this lot look at the polls…

    Scipeone is beyond reproach, by far the best cop we have had in NSW in 30 years… Abbott and Brandiass.. well there fucking treacherous lies speak for themselves.

  57. September 19, 2014 9:25 pm

    Is Kim join the dot con.. the Clive palmer of the internet?
    He’s lighter on detail that Tony Abbot at a freestyle presser…
    Maybe the yanks were trying to take him out as a public service…

    Fucktard….

    Double Fucktard

    http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/watch-extended-kim-dotcom-interview-video-5879189

  58. Tom R permalink
    September 19, 2014 9:38 pm

    that’s fear mongering and a stunt …by the politicians(!!)

    Actually yomm, they are both the same (as I said above).

    Police actions that are

    being used by the police, in order to increase their powers

    and being used by politicians for their own purposes.

    Both are bullshit.

  59. September 19, 2014 10:31 pm

    “A bunch of radical neocon dog botherers posing as conservative moderates warning me about radical Jihadists where they have been sitting on intelligence for a few months and it drops on the day we send troops to a place we just pulled out of?”

    So you too also believe in a monumentally stupid conspiracy theory involving ASIO, ASIS, AFP and the State Police Forces all orchestrated by Brandis

    Ricky If you believe he can pull that off then your stoopid too !

    Sometimes all of us look for a political angle when there actually is none

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2014 10:41 pm

    “Have you read IvIeta’s link YomM?

    No, I don’t get around to clicking on everything. Which one?

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2014 10:56 pm

    Just to clarify…

    I enjoy reading the words people write themselves, because there are some intelligent contributors here, I’m less interested in the notion of “debating it with the link”

    …but that’s only my preference.

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 19, 2014 10:59 pm

    Please let’s retain some standards…

    “Ricky If you believe he can pull that off then your stoopid too !

    I think you mean “you’re”

  63. September 19, 2014 11:28 pm

    Ricky If you believe he can pull that off then your stoopid too !

    You seem to be awfully fond of projecting things walrus…
    I said nothing of the sort….

    Maybe you should ask the Attorney General…..
    He seems to be awfully fond of moral high ground for political advantage.
    Lets see how many convictions they secure above the rhetoric.

    Sometimes all of us look for a political angle when there actually is none

    What like calling people of the left terrorist sympathisers? 🙄
    Hmmm

  64. September 20, 2014 12:02 am

    “I think you mean “you’re”….”

    Mmmmmmmm

    I think I was still in shock at how easy the Swans won and let my impeccable standards drop

  65. September 20, 2014 12:07 am

    I wanna know why the Scots said No.

    Was it because PM Cameron got Wills to knock up his lovely Kate timed exactly so it could be announced in the week it’s required?

    I suspect some if you believe that

  66. September 20, 2014 12:09 am

    Ricky

    Who said ISIL represents the Islamic community. I think I made myself clear about extremist Islam.

  67. September 20, 2014 12:32 am

    “I wanna know why the Scots said No.”

    Oooops wrong thread

  68. Meta permalink
    September 20, 2014 4:09 am

    (I still reckon the KGB should be given any and every new power they ask for next week; they’ve earned them this week; by saving all of us from every person with a phone, and from any conspiracy-minded person with a high level plan and an (un)specific intent which could be acted on within days; in fact, I reckon we should guillotine debate now, and just do it.)

  69. Meta permalink
    September 20, 2014 6:56 am

    (Query: having calmly and methodically announced a considered co-location of ‘this is intent‘, and identified as ultimately responsible a said Senior Member of the designated terrorist-group ISIL, an adoptive Australian with a residual connection to and a strong nexus either way with Australian jurisdiction, nominally operating in/from a presumed-lawless and deemed-governmentless and otherwise-borderline-sovereign Syria, and having issued an international warrant, how would an (pro)active) Australian Government pursue its hot claim(s) to justice for a heinous planned terror attack on Australian soil, albeit frustrated? Supposition: the situation, constructively, might seem, at first glance, analogous, in some respects, to Afghanistan 2001 or Syria 2014.)

  70. September 20, 2014 8:04 am

    “No one thinks that these people are representative of christians”

    Actually I think they are.

  71. Meta permalink
    September 20, 2014 8:32 am

    (Actually, now that I tend to think about it, and because this is a modern, pluralistic, liberal-democratic polity which, I think, trusts and respects the spirit and the letter of the operation of the rule of law, what we
    could do is simply progress beyond a narrow and superficial debate about any proposed new substantive powers in and of themselves, and just move on to a broader and deeper (non-)explanation about how pro formal oversights will well-regulate application of those new powers. After all, “The last thing any of us would want to do is damage our freedoms in order to preserve our freedoms….We are simply doing what is necessary, in difficult circumstances, to keep our citizens safe.”)

  72. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 9:10 am

    rebs a nobody, rebs a nobody 🙂

  73. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 9:14 am

    THEY’RE THROWING THEIR CHILDREN OVERBOARD!

    (a precursor, with a special little html element at the bottom for yomm)

    Once again, the Australian media has been completely bluffed by national security theatre.

    What the Prime Minister and the various police chiefs – even George Brandis – have said may be proven. They haven’t been proven yet and their words are worth nothing. Nothing. All this would have much more credibility coming from a judge after fair and extensive trials, even with the law’s palaver.

    No government is entitled to be taken at its word, especially this one. A policeman’s finding is the start of a trial, not the end.

    http://andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/national-security-theatre.html?spref=tw

    This is why Andrew Elder shits on any of the assembled throng who call themselves “professional journalists”

  74. September 20, 2014 10:24 am

    Ricky
    Who said ISIL represents the Islamic community. I think I made myself clear about extremist Islam.

    I actually think we are on the same page in regard to these extremist dogs. The issue is they are poor cousin terrorists and at best most that were raided were guilty by tenuous links f three degrees of separation which (I may be wrong) will play out to nothing more than a stunt that whip’s up more hatred. I assert this based entirely on the charges, the size & scale of the op and above all the rhetoric.
    I think based on this governments past record healthy cynicism is a good position to have.
    I reiterate that I do not trust Abbott in the slightest to beat this up for political advantage, its in his DNA. Its what got him elected and it will be his downfall.

    Actually I think they are.

    Owch.. well Kavein Andrews, Abetz (don’t mention the war), Mission Morrison and Aboot love a good moralist lynching 🙄

  75. Meta permalink
    September 20, 2014 10:57 am

    (Agreed; Hillsong Skippy and his police-issue Bibles to new recruits does seem like good value; and, it’s not as if his especial targetting of ‘alcohol abuse’ at Mardi Gras hasn’t been very successful very publicly.)

  76. September 20, 2014 11:18 am

    High rhetorical posturing is Phoney Tony’s forte … Its no surprise that he knows no other way as has been his modus operandi all his life. The pre election political makeover washes off as he constantly bathes in the tears of exploitative tragedy, splashing about like a child in a tub with new toys, such is the reality of no surprise Tony.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/terror-raids-attack-feared-within-days-tony-abbott-says-20140919-10j337.html

  77. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 20, 2014 11:33 am

    “…Police actions that are
    being used by the police, in order to increase their powers
    and being used by politicians for their own purposes…”

    “…In the long run, entrenched potential governmental overreach is a far graver threat to Australian citizens than the latest foreign boogeyman…no matter how gaudy & overstated this week’s threat is conflated to be…

    couldn’t agree more.
    I think the fear is getting to walrus, he’s sounding quite unhinged in his replies to toilet.

    Have you ever seen normally secretive, back room boys like david irvine out in the media ramping up the terror and fear like this? Irvine is leaving or retiring, so he thinks it’s a good time to press for the denial of our civil liberties that his people have always wanted. I can’t recall a more politically activist agenda being driven by a secretive security agency before. Abbott and co. are out telling everyone that muslims want to behead any passerby, but no no no, it’s not about religion or race. Be alert and not alarmed, but go about your business as usual though!
    WTF is that? If there was a real threat to people, wouldn’t they be telling us to stay home and off the streets?
    This is from a govt. that won’t give any info on asylum seekers and refuse to answer any media questions about their normal daily operations and stuff-ups, but they can manage saturation terror overload.

    The sooner we can get rid of religion in this world, the better off everyone will be,

  78. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 11:33 am

  79. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 11:38 am

    I think the fear is getting to walrus, he’s sounding quite unhinged in his replies to toilet.

    Can the gubamint unfurl their “Mission Accomplished” banner yet?

    This is from a govt. that won’t give any info on asylum seekers and refuse to answer any media questions about their normal daily operations and stuff-ups, but they can manage saturation terror overload.

    Yes, the opacity differentiator between on-water and on-land matters is on the extreme side, dontcha reckon 😉

  80. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 20, 2014 11:40 am

    I haven’t heard a word about the ‘worst budget ever’ in weeks, usually it is all they ever want to drone on about, why is this?

  81. September 20, 2014 11:45 am

    Ricky
    Who said ISIL represents the Islamic community. I think I made myself clear about extremist Islam.

    You did and I didn’t.

    Wally I think this says it best….

  82. September 20, 2014 11:49 am

    I haven’t heard a word about the ‘worst budget ever’ in weeks, usually it is all they ever want to drone on about, why is this?

    Diversion therapy…
    Look over there, its team Australia…

    Where’s Wally?

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 20, 2014 11:50 am

    The Age: Though beheading was never mentioned in the call “it is assumed” this would have been the method of killing.

    🙄 of course, that’s the first thing people assume. If they are sending 800 special ops cops out on assumptions, they’ve got way too much money in their budget!

    Coming just after we’ve been traumatised by gory pictures of severed heads by extremists from overseas plastered over the murdoch media too. It’s just a natural assumption isn’t it?

  84. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 11:58 am

    If they are sending 800 special ops cops out on assumptions, they’ve got way too much money in their budget!

    And they want more, not just money, but powers too. Is this what the main game is in the short term (for the security agencies anyway). I think it is apparent what the gubamints tactic is (budget emergency, what budget emergency?)

    STEVE CANNANE: Greg, the government is about to bring in or attempt to bring in new anti-terror laws, one section of the new laws provides immunity from liability for participants in special intelligence operations. What’s your reading of that clause? There’s been concerns that that could green light torture. The Attorney-General says there’s no way that is the case?

    GREG BARNS: The Attorney-General either hasn’t read his legislation or doesn’t understand it. It will obviously lead to torture because the only exemptions from immunity are cases I think of murder, rape and serious assault.

    That means, for example, that ASIO could keep a person in conditions of torture which, for example, include solitary confinement for a period of weeks and not physically assault them. They obviously don’t murder them and obviously don’t rape them but they keep that person in a position where they break.

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4091568.htm

  85. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 20, 2014 12:00 pm

    “but Labor got through 6 yrs of govt without any wars

    Tell that to all the soldiers who died in Afghanistan. Most died under Rudd/Gillard

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Defence_Force_casualties_in_Afghanistan

    Operation Slipper is notable for the first Australian combat deaths since the Vietnam War, and to date all casualties have occurred during operations in Afghanistan. 41 Australian soldiers have been killed and 256 wounded (including two sailors and one airman), the majority since October 2007.”

  86. September 20, 2014 12:08 pm

    Two tossers arguing the toss… you be the judge. All sounds like bullshit to me.

    The bearded bloke is former nightclub bouncer and the bloke they are detaining…

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2014 12:11 pm

    ”If they are sending 800 special ops cops out on assumptions, they’ve got way too much money in their budget!

    I really can’t agree with that. How many should they send? Is 700 deployed on a bikie raid too many?

    I’m not sure that the use of “assumption” is reasonable either. If there had been any form of murder in Martin Place, filmed, people would have been entitled to be outraged, if the police hadn’t acted in force.

    I really don’t mind heavy handed tactics towards any group (or individual) planning violence, rape or murder.

    I don’t see any reason to treat these people any different to bikies, because that’s about the culture they seem to have.

  88. September 20, 2014 12:14 pm

    Squeals great contribution.. under Labor… 🙄
    weapons of mass destruction deception delusion.

  89. September 20, 2014 12:23 pm

    I’m not sure that the use of “assumption” is reasonable either. If there had been any form of murder in Martin Place, filmed, people would have been entitled to be outraged, if the police hadn’t acted in force.

    Oh please a very tenuous micro thread of alleged at best. 800 to get 1 bloke? I’m no tactical expert say they used 50.. would that have netted the same result? pretty sure it would
    Always intrigues me that he budget has an emergency yet an alleged emergency has no budget.
    #hammerinsteadofafeather #shockandawe

  90. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 20, 2014 12:28 pm

    I really can’t agree with that. How many should they send? Is 700 deployed on a bikie raid too many?

    If they are sent out on an assumption rather than actual evidence, yes.
    Funny how the media are very handily pre-notified for mass saturation coverage of these events too.

  91. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 20, 2014 12:36 pm

    awww, is he a goodie or a baddie, or both, it’s confusing!

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 20, 2014 12:42 pm

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 20, 2014 1:01 pm

    I really don’t mind heavy handed tactics towards any group (or individual) planning violence, rape or murder.

    How many bikies have threatened you tomR? they’re usually fighting each other, no-one else.
    And if it all amounts to nothing, no threat, just assumptions and no actual wrongdoing, all smoke no fire? The media don’t scream RANDOM BEHEADING WAS FALSE and ASIO WRONG ON TERROR across the front pages and discussed on TV for a week, it is never mentioned again or kept very quiet and suppressed as much as possible.

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2014 1:03 pm

    I suppose we’ll see what the actual evidence is.

    When it comes to violence, rape and murder, I’m quite intolerant of those making the plans. The excuse provided in a previous thread, that those planning violence were just bonding (or something), doesn’t provide any comfort (to me).

    If a group of zealots are discussing murder, that’s making plans, and deploying lots of police to disrupt their bonding sessions is fine with me.

    • Rapists – abrogate their rights to live unmonitored
    • Murderers – ditto
    • Bonding through planning murder – heavy handed suppression is fine too

  95. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 1:59 pm

    I suppose we’ll see what the actual evidence is.

    Followed by

    When it comes to violence, rape and murder, I’m quite intolerant of those making the plans.

    😯

    I guess you’ll be just as vehement when the swat team kicks down ao’s door for her comment further up the thread. ❓

    Mind you, I have nothing against police doing their jobs. But, the police job is not just to keep us secure, it is also to keep us feeling secure. Splashing across the front page of every newspaper in the country that strikes against us are imminent, isn’t really fulfilling the latter, is it?

    And, worst, it is giving isis(l) just what they want. Fear and panic

  96. armchair opionator permalink
    September 20, 2014 2:54 pm

    “…I guess you’ll be just as vehement when the swat team kicks down ao’s door for her comment further up the thread. :?:…”

    That’s what I mean it’s a fascist control by the state and oppression of free speech, completely open to people maliciously dobbing others in for innocent “chatter”, more in line with China.
    My mum always expresses a desire to get a gun and shoot Howard and Abbott – that’s terrorism now?

  97. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2014 3:15 pm

    Call me naïve, but I doubt whether AO’s mum is co-ordinating her plans with some zealot is Syria who is already involved in murderous activities.

    But I might be wrong.

  98. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 3:40 pm

    Call me naïve

    OK, you’re naïve 🙂

  99. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 3:56 pm

    Be afraid kitty, be very afraid

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    September 20, 2014 7:17 pm

    Speaking of which, whatever did happen to snacty? 🙂

    he was called out on ridiculous … ridiculous retorts … constantly …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I can’t figure out the logic …

    We’ve noticed that ToM …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Err, no. You need to read what I actually type. I tend to qualify my statements.

    I’d be very interested in seeing you demonstrate where I’ve recently adulated Islam, or defended it’s repugnant fringe.

    It’s frightening how it doesn’t impregnate the brain … Toillette … its so fkn frustrating … when are you off shift?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think you mean “you’re” … LOL!

    I really don’t mind heavy handed tactics towards any group (or individual) planning violence, rape or murder.

    Agree … in my country …

    Let others control their country … see the difference?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Gotta go …

    Toillette … bro!

  101. September 20, 2014 7:39 pm

    “when are you off shift? ”

    Last nightshift tonight. Five weeks off from 7am tomorrow. Made extra sweet by seeing portscum ejected from the finals just now.

    Will probably have a bit of extra time on my hands to type shit every now & again in the next month or so.

    We are entering a cynical new era of pantywetting. Snacty’s probably hiding in his bomb shelter from the impending Islamocommunist persecution of catholic freedomlovers.

  102. September 20, 2014 7:42 pm

    Not too much mention being made of how, a decade ago, conflating the war on ‘terror’ with excuses to invade & occupy Iraq has actually, demonstrably, lead to a disgusting proliferation of ‘terror’ in the longer term.

    It’s not like no one mentioned it at the time.

    Stupid fucking warmongering partisan dipshits.

  103. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 8:15 pm

    Not too much mention being made

    I’m hoping you’re referring to the msm there toilet 😉

    Made extra sweet by seeing portscum ejected from the finals just now.

    I should be happy, but, after the last few years they’ve had, I was just glad to see them coming good. And I’m not even going to mention the Crows. See!

    Snacty’s probably hiding in his bomb shelter

    😆

    Stupid fucking warmongering partisan dipshits.

    When even hartchers onto you, I reckon even that case is lost to ’em.

    The prime minister properly assured us not to change our behaviour in response to the threat of terrorism, but then went on to give us a good old scare anyway: “It is a serious situation when all you need to carry out a terrorist attack is to have a knife, an iPhone and a victim.”

    If you weren’t feeling apprehensive before listening to Tony Abbott, there’s a much higher chance you were after listening to him.

    It’s not that he’s incorrect, it’s the fact that he’s supposed to be the man ultimately responsible for national security, not insecurity. The terrorists trade on fear – that’s why they’re called terrorists.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/terror-raids-perspective-is-always-the-hardest-thing-to-find-20140919-10j76p.html

  104. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 20, 2014 8:20 pm

    It was great to see Port miss out so narrowly

  105. September 20, 2014 8:35 pm

    It was indeed!

  106. September 20, 2014 8:36 pm

    “I’m hoping you’re referring to the msm there toilet ”

    I meant, by those soiling themselves in ‘terror’, TomR. 😉

  107. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 8:37 pm

    I meant, by those soiling themselves in ‘terror’,

    So, most Crows supporters until the final whistle then 😉

  108. September 20, 2014 8:40 pm

    “, I was just glad to see them coming good.”

    I’d prefer to see them extinct!

    The hatred is pathological…and, this evening, the schadenfreude is exquisite!

    #sandogotarawdealtobesure

  109. September 20, 2014 8:43 pm

    terror is the new brand of colonialism…. the new neocon cocacolinisation mantra

  110. September 20, 2014 8:43 pm

    “I don’t get around to clicking on everything. Which one?”

    This one…

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/04/media-challenging-arguments-war-baying-blood/

    And I mention it, not to ‘debate the link’, but because the link adds genuine context & expert opinion to the overhyping of the threat.

  111. September 20, 2014 8:47 pm

    “most Crows supporters until the final whistle then ”

    I’m reasonably certain that, had they scraped through, portscum would be vying to beat their own record losing margin in a GF next week. The Sydney Mercenaries look ominous. I hate their sly bankrolling & player poaching, so I’ll be behind the Vics next weekend.

    Fuck Sydney Billionaires.

  112. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 8:58 pm

    I hate their sly bankrolling & player poaching, so I’ll be behind the Vics next weekend.

    I’ll be there with ya 😉

  113. September 20, 2014 9:58 pm

    l Love the smell of Napalm in the morning.

    lt smells Like.

    Victory.

    #TeamAustralia

  114. September 20, 2014 10:06 pm

    ””””””””””””’mum always expresses a desire to get a gun and shoot Howard and Abbott – that’s terrorism now?””””””””””’

    #you are not alone

    .

    ””””””””””’i can understand that people want to bomb parliament and kill him. I feel that way myself at times.”””””””

    # please form an orderly queue

    .

    (go fcuk ya`selves asio, homeland, nsa, asis, afp, cia, its called humor)

  115. September 20, 2014 10:21 pm

    ”””emaciated terror cow being milked for all it’s worth””” 🙂

    doing all they can to elevate the pantie wetting thru the

    wetness-scale, moist, damp, wet, soaking and saturated

    #mr-rabbit and friends are at the `saturated` level,

    #and teabag-media are at wet to soaking,

    #while the general population seem to be at moist to damp

    #teabagPanic

  116. Tom R permalink
    September 20, 2014 10:51 pm

  117. September 20, 2014 10:55 pm

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/04/media-challenging-arguments-war-baying-blood/

    yeah dunny, l agree on the over-hyping/pantie-wetting aspect,

    another large part is the terror-fear-ists are successfully baiting team-stupid into another disaster they cannot win, or even break-even

    this will start as an unlimited cash-bonfire, and mission-creep into a long-term blood-bath #teabags

  118. September 21, 2014 9:55 am

    Is it OK to hate hipsters?
    HELL YES!

    Hell Yeah…

  119. September 21, 2014 10:15 am

    Just as Tony Abbott the radical Religious Neocon pretends to be a Moderate Centre Right Conservative… George Brandis chooses the innocuous term “libertarian” to cloak his radicalism

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/george-brandis-new-antiterror-law-allows-asio-to-torture-20140917-10i9hv.html

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2014 11:04 am

    George Brandis chooses the innocuous term “libertarian” to cloak his radicalism

    Libertarians are radical extremists, anarchy and privilege for the selfish takers in society.

    The Chicken Little-in-Chief’s Big Scare:
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-chicken-little-in-chiefs-big-scare,6892#.VBqUUg9ZQjo.facebook
    …Abbott, caught in a moral tangle as usual, says going to war with ISIL is a criminal offence if boys from Logan do it, but an heroic act if Diggers do it and it won’t endanger Australians at all — we won’t provoke the ‘terrorists’ by going to war with them.

    And he won’t go to war unless the Americans tell him to — the Americans who got it so right last time, destroying six million lives, and causing ISIL while they were there. He’ll consult the Americans, but not the Australian people. And he’ll body-search Australians at football finals in case they’ve got atomic weapons up their clackers.

    Dare we call this excessive? Deluded? Hyperbolic? Demented? Wasteful of, ho ho, the taxpayers’ money?..

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 21, 2014 11:11 am

    Just what abbott wanted, national hysteria and fear, everyone minding everyone else’s business.

    Passenger ejected from flight over notebook doodles:
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/passenger-ejected-from-flight-over-notebook-doodles-20140920-10jrhs.html

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2014 6:15 pm

    Is it OK to hate hipsters?

    HELL YES!

    I also noticed that blokes are now wearing “pegged” pants … a late 60’s “invention … we can already buy “winklepickers” … mine were black suede …

    Ask me why they’re called winklepickers … go on ..

    … wait for the round toed high heels from the very late sixties, early seventies … mine were blended maroon/red … only ever wore ’em on stage …

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2014 6:17 pm

    Passenger ejected from flight over notebook doodles:

    Yeah read that earlier on news.com.au … KL … the usual (expected) paranoia …

  124. September 21, 2014 6:24 pm

    I used to go searching for winkles with my dad so I know why they’re called winkle pickers…

  125. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2014 7:58 pm

    sreb, I bet you do … WTF do you mean “my dad” cheeky prick! 🙂

    But don’t the “fashions” keep rotating – and people think they are “new” … LOL!

    My old man came from Eastbourne … mmmm …

    Do they get winkles in Glasgie?

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2014 8:11 pm

    THE US has suffered its first setback in its bid to form an inter­national coalition to conduct airstrikes against Islamic State terrorists, with Arab nations baulking at committing military forces to the fight against the militant jihadists in Syria and Iraq. European nations, including Britain and France, have also been slow to commit forces, leaving Australia temporarily isolated by the speed of its pledge to join the US-led air campaign.

    Does anyone else here “get” this? Especially anyone with children within the age bracket of 18 to 35?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/australia-more-willing-than-waiting-as-arab-states-hesitate-on-troops/story-e6frg6n6-1227060837966?nk=68d7790ffcefb7004d16b8411e145bb3#

  127. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2014 8:15 pm

    And then I found this …

    FROM what we know of Kevin Rudd’s prime ministership he would have done well to ­implement performance reviews for his ministry. The ministers might have used the face-time to point out some of their prime minister’s mistakes — then ducked.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/engaged-management-and-facetoface-time-prove-valuable-to-abbott-and-his-team/story-fn8qlm5e-1227064586170#

    Rudd is no longer in power … maybe we should ask Abbott to do the same thing …

    What a bunch of self- focussed morons the Murdoch Klowns really are …

    They should play on the blogs more … 😉

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2014 8:21 pm

    Then I found this shite!

    LAST week, former prime minister Julia Gillard, wearing a tailored white jacket, calmly and method­ically answered a number of ­questions put to her at the hearing of the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption. A number of commentators immediately concluded that, because nothing new was revealed by her testimony, the royal commission is a complete waste of time. It was always only ever a ­political witch-hunt, in their view. Apart from the fact that she did, indeed, change her story last week — where once she was not certain whether or not slush-fund monies had been used to pay for some of the costs of the renovations on her house, she is now sure they were not — Julia Gillard was always a bit player in the saga about the ­reprehensible operation of the slush fund set up by Bruce Wilson.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/commission-must-act-to-clean-up-union-slush-funds/story-fnbkvnk7-1227064537106#

    A few of things spring to mind … do they actually pay people to write for the Australian?

    Goebbels would have shit himself without so much “power of persuasion” …

    The longer they spend trashing the past government(s) … the less time they think people will spend on the current government … if Queensland is any guide – they are in for a big wide awakening in 2016!

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2014 8:23 pm

    On and fkn on ..

    AUSTRALIA stands on the brink of making a terrible mistake. That mistake is introducing ethnic distinctions into our constitution and inevitably into the nature of our citizenship. It would be a grievous error for Australia to pass by referendum a new preamble to the constitution which acknowledges aborigines, while it does not similarly acknowledge all the other Australians; it would be a mistake to set up a new aboriginal consultative body under the constitution and it would be an absolute disaster to establish racially or ethnically reserved seats in parliament.

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    September 21, 2014 8:26 pm

    LOL! LOL! LOL!

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    And the wankers want to shut down ABC and SBS … GMAFB!

    I vote that the owners of any Australian news outlet (digital or paper based) be an Australian citizen … just like the USA!

  131. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:39 am

    Is that 50% off price, or news value TB?

    If it is the latter, what is 50% of zero?

    I see that the players involved in the essendon saga have come to their senses.

    essendon and hird have much to answer for

    The 34 past and present Essendon players facing anti-doping bans will distance themselves from any further legal manoeuvring by the Bombers, with some now contemplating a deal with ASADA in a bid to accelerate their return to the AFL.

    http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-players-ready-to-listen-to-asada-deal-offers-20140921-10k2ew.html

  132. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:48 am

    I was also surprised and more than a little disappointed to hear that Labor had given bi-partisan support for the new tewwa laws being proposed under the cover of the latest “terror emergency”. Luckily, was Labor

    A spokeswoman for Mr Dreyfus said the Opposition had been surprised to hear that bipartisan agreement had been secured before Labor had seen the foreign fighters bill.

    “It would be negligent of us to give blanket support for something we haven’t seen. We have internal processes to follow,” she said.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-demands-detail-on-foreign-fighters-bill-before-pledging-support-20140921-10k114.html

    First the budget emergency, now a tewwa one. I the distinct feeling that this mob has cried wolf once (or twice) too often to be taken too seriously.

    Sure, their is a problem with ISIS. But, haven’t we always been at war with EastAsia?

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:50 am

    Do they get winkles in Glasgie?

    My old man comes from Eastbourne and we’d visit a couple of times a year minimum) – so he, his brother and brother in law would go out with the triangular nets, for an hour, gather the bloody things, boil ’em up and sit for hours picking ’em out with a pin and washing it all down with a beer …

    As a kid I thought it was gross! Hated the bloody things … my dad and uncles loved the whole experience …

    Now as for the shoes … 🙂

  134. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:58 am

    Now as for the shoes …

    So, they’re not the same thing then?

    Hard to tell with these foreigners 😉

  135. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 22, 2014 9:23 am

    The benefit of the terror raids is that silly young men will be encouraged by their families to get real, there is a lot to lose being naive.

  136. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 9:45 am

    I see howie is being as mendacious as ever in defending his lying to the Australian public about wmd

    “Kevin Rudd made a speech saying that it was an empirical fact that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, he later on said that I had taken the country to war based on a lie, despite the fact he said it was an empirical fact, never one to understate things,” he said.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-21/howard-embarrassed-by-intelligence-that-iraq-had-wmds/5759132

    Ignore the fact of the caveats Rudd used when talking of Iraq and wmd, and try and rewrite history. Hint, “expansion” is the key word to be looking for here 😉

  137. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2014 10:12 am

    Essendon is a disgrace, so is Hird. Punish both severely. Hird appears to have received nothing so far.

    On the other hand, the process seems unfair on the players. They signed documents, provided by the club, stating that the substances were code compliant.

    Footballers are in quite a different situation to elite athletes. Athletes choose their own coaches and have personal advisors. Footballers have no say, it’s fit in or f**k off.
    ========

    Meanwhile I’ll be a keen observer of the form at tonight’s Brownlow!
    =========

    Go Swans! They might be rich, but it’s not a team representing property developers and financial advisors, like Hawthorn.

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2014 10:25 am

    …and I see Gillard is now admitting she mislead Rudd about her leadership challenge, and dumping on Carr too.

    The whole disaster started with her ill-conceived challenge, pushed by the hacks and warlords.

    Rudd had the ALP well in front when he was knifed, how different the political landscape would be if Gillard had shown more transparency (for once)

  139. September 22, 2014 10:30 am

    Tom R Like all fiberals they are compulsive liars and contextual pliers… Rudd was livered after a briefing from Richard Butler and the rest is fact and on the historical record. John Howard interviewed by Janet Albricson? really? please pass the course grain salt 🙄

  140. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 10:44 am

    I see Gillard is now admitting she mislead Rudd about her leadership challenge

    Do you blame her, in the revelation of how leaky rudd turned out to be?

    Essendon is a disgrace, so is Hird. Punish both severely.

    I AGREE. The players are the losers here. Although, those in the leadership group really need a hard look at themselves, they have much to answer for also. I feel for the rookies and lower level players though.

  141. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 10:47 am

    ease pass the course grain salt

    I would, but theirabc has just reinforced the lie, with none of their much proclaimed “balance” to be seen

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2014 11:01 am

    Who is at fault re Essendon, in order of most at fault-

    * Essendon – the club had an obligation to supervise the actions and behaviour of its officers. It also is required to manage health and safety risks in its workplace. The club is negligent.
    * Hird – he has an statatory obligation to protect the welfare of the players. He is negligent.
    * The AFL should have ensured a consistent supplements regime across all clubs.
    * The AFL Players Association negotiates the collective agreement, but did not seek (adequate) provisions regarding effective OHSor suppliments
    * Players, in a club where a 20 year old is trying to establish himself, which one is going to refuse the program? Particularly given the written undertakings of the club.

  143. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 11:33 am

    The AFL look VERY dodgy in all of this yomm

    How else did Essendon get the heads up that something was under way investigating them, forcing ASADA to go public well before they would have wished?

  144. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 11:50 am

    The true face of terror in our country. When will this be labelled as a much hyped “emergency”?


    A man has been charged with murder after one woman was stabbed to death and another was injured during a row at a home in Taree in northern New South Wales.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-22/man-charged-with-murder-over-taree-double-stabbing/5759228

  145. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2014 12:05 pm

    “When will this be labelled as a much hyped “emergency”?”

    Pure stupidity on a stick. Truly you are a compulsive troll.

  146. September 22, 2014 12:33 pm

    Pure stupidity on a stick.

    Dunno Splatter its not lookin too good….

    The assertion of the intent of the story don’t stick
    The charges may not stick
    Throwing fear to the wall to gauge what sticks is a bad trick
    The threat of heads on sticks may end up being lies from pricks
    This whole shock and awe eleventy show may just be Abbott’s tactical shtick
    Trying to turn a big political stick into a pole is fools folly
    Lets see how much stick this has after the dust settles and the truth sticks.

    Could be a defining moment that may well put Abbott’s political head on a stick

  147. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 12:53 pm

    Pure stupidity on a stick.

    You don’t consider domestic violence to be a big issue then I assume sb?

    Well, not compared to the tens of …. possible/maybe jihadists overseas?

    I’m not saying one is not an issue, but, the sheer numbers indicate which is the largest.

    Of course, domestic violence perpetrators won’t be picked up in “chatter” one assumes.

  148. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2014 1:02 pm

    Ricky, Tom R’s comment is offensive to common sense. It is a crime against reason. The fact that murders are still being committed is completely irrelevant to the question of the government’s policy on terrorism.

    On the broader issue of the government’e antiterror policies,I note that there is substantial bipartisanship on the increased risk of terror and the need for the government to address that risk. That is probably because the ALP leadership is included in security briefings.

    There is plenty to argue about as regards the nature of the response, whether the proposed legislation is too draconian and whether the simplistic theatricality of some of the government’s statements are helpful. But on this occasion Tom R couldn’t help but say something at least as stupid as some of the stuff coming out of the mouths of the more cretinous pollies. His comment was about as intelligent as something Jacquie Lambie might say.

  149. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 1:09 pm

    I note that there is substantial bipartisanship on the increased risk of terror and the need for the government to address that risk.

    I note that the bipartisanship is not as “substantial ” as is being claimed, if you would note my earlier post.

    So, Do you consider domestic violence to be as big an issue as “tewwa”?

  150. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 22, 2014 1:32 pm

    ‘So, Do you consider domestic violence to be as big an issue as “tewwa”?’

    Only when weighted with crack and alcohol.

  151. September 22, 2014 1:44 pm

    Behold the new face of profound Ignorance. Interesting that public servants need to pass an intelligence test for their suitability of employment , yet the minimum requirement for a bogan politician is a heartbeat.

    http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2014/s4091821.htm

  152. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2014 1:58 pm

    “So, Do you consider domestic violence to be as big an issue as “tewwa”?”

    Wrong question, troll.

  153. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:02 pm

    Allah got something right.

    ‘One study showed that Indigenous women were significantly over-represented in Australian homicide victim statistics.

    Indigenous women comprise only about 2% of the total female population but they accounted for approximately 15% of all female homicide victims.

    ‘Where alcohol-use data were recorded, the offender was under the influence of alcohol in 91.7% of the Indigenous femicide cases.’

  154. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:04 pm

    Domestic violence is a blight and dead people are no less dead because it happened to be at the hand of their husband.

    A significant problem with policing domestic violence is the police. It isn’t the law or lack of policing resources, it’s that the police blokes don’t want/can’t be bothered intervening.

    Terrorism is intended to divide communities.

    Domestic violence is personal, terrorism is impersonal.

  155. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:04 pm

    Wrong question

    Why?

    One has galvanised the nation into action (just in time to try and pass legislation remarkably enough), the other is an ongoing problem that remains largely ignored.

    So, Do you consider domestic violence to be as big an issue as “tewwa”? (it’s actually a pretty simple question)

  156. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:06 pm

    Terrorism is intended to divide communities.

    And this guvmint is doing that quite well, aren’t they.

  157. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:10 pm

    I’ve never understood why, when performing an inspection of a premises, there should be a pre-warning of your visit. It totally defeats the purpose of observing the genuine daily operations of the place [which is the purpose I assume]. It’s a deliberate ‘look the other way’ really.

  158. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:14 pm

    terrorism is impersonal

    And, according to the guy who is supposed to be uniting us and calming the population, it could be any “determined individual, [with] a knife, an iPhone and a victim”

  159. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:20 pm

    ‘(it’s actually a pretty simple question)’

    Chalk and cheese TR.

    On the domestic front the government is conducting a shock and awe campaign to shake up the Muslim community’s young ratbags and bring them into line with our legal system.

    Historians will see this as a timely exercise by Abbott et al. to preserve our multicultural society.

  160. Possibly and arguably so did the Gillard government, and Howard's. permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:21 pm

    Possibly and arguably so did the Gillard government, and Howard’s.

    But I’m happy with a show of strength by police when it comes to-
    * Murderers
    * Rapists
    * Bikies
    * People that plan exhibition murders to divide the community

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:22 pm

    Wrong paste.

  162. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:29 pm

    Historians will see this as a timely exercise by Abbott et al. to preserve our multicultural society.

    More likely it will be a time that tabot claims he was “embarrassed” about.

    As for the other little weasel who claimed last night he was “embarrassed” about helping to create the quagmire we now see, if only there was truly “justice”

  163. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:33 pm

    Tom R, you are smart enough to know that your analogy is idiotic. You know that “bigness”, what ever that means, is an utterly inane way of measuring things like domestic violence and that our society devotes significant resources for education, counselling, policing and support in relation to domestic violence.

    Your Lambieseque use of that analogy shows only that you are even more cynically stupid than Abbott & Co.

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:36 pm

  165. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 2:41 pm

    Your Lambieseque use of “bigness”

    ROFL

  166. Walrus permalink
    September 22, 2014 3:48 pm

    “”So, Do you consider domestic violence to be as big an issue as “tewwa”? (it’s actually a pretty simple question)””

    What a stoopid analogy/connection

    Terrorism is about “ïmpressing” many generally innocent observers

  167. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 4:09 pm

    …and that our society devotes significant resources for education, counselling, policing and support in relation to domestic violence…

    It’s not nearly resourced enough, if it was, it wouldn’t be so prevalent. Police are no strangers to DV in their own homes. You only needed to look at that recent survey on society attitudes to see there are entrenched anti female attitudes in the community.

    That repsonse is small comfort to the women and children living in fear of someone terrorising them in their own homes. A piece of paper called a DVO is little protection. The police themselves have come very late to the problem and it’s seriousness. When they do act, it’s often too little too late.

    Funny how we need to be so proactive and vigilantly looking for ‘possible’ terrorists in the community, using powers that treat suspects as guilty before being proven innocent, but with terror at home, perpetrated by a known abuser who makes threats of harm/murder supposed loved ones on a daily basis, they have to have evidence before women can get any protection from police. There are more murders from DV than from terrorism here, so yes, put it in perspective. How many talk about the ever present fear of DV perpetrators, rapists and female murderers in our midst?

    Get a grip!

    UPDATED: The Gutting And Gagging Of Feminist Women’s Refuges:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/25/updated-gutting-and-gagging-feminist-womens-refuges

    …More than 25 feminist women’s refuges in NSW have lost their government funding, with their buildings being handed over to religious or other charities. Many shelters will no longer focus on providing specialist services for domestic violence victims. And the attack on services for Aboriginal communities has been especially savage…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/02/shelters-homeless-vulnerable-women-shut?CMP=soc_567

    State government redirects $6m funding from inner city to rural NSW, meaning up to 20 shelters will have to close their doors

  168. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 4:12 pm

    All my comments are going straight to moderation reb [NTTAWWT]

  169. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 4:30 pm

    Terrorism is about “ïmpressing” many generally innocent observers

    DV victims aren’t innocent? I can assure you that the victims, their families, their children and any observers are very impressed.

    What about random rape and murder? Must be only women who feel the terror, so that’s OK, nothing to be worried about, not like an even more remote possibility of a muslim bomber or head hacker. Quick, throw billions into getting people shitting their pants and racially attacking/vilifying innocent muslims going about their daily business.

    FMD you conservatives are warped!

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 4:40 pm

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/queenslands-muslim-women-targeted-amid-terrorism-hysteria/story-fnihsrf2-1227065256202

    The Sunday Mail can reveal Muslim women are being singled out, including one victim who had coffee thrown in her face while she was stopped at traffic lights south of Brisbane.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/we-are-the-ones-being-terrorised-muslims-say-20140920-10jdkw.html

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-21/anti-islam-hate-campaign-raises-tensions-to-violent-new-heights/5402526

    Police and ASIO are scrambling to defuse serious tensions between Australian far-right groups and Islamist extremists, which have reached unprecedented heights in recent weeks with death threats and an apparent attempted murder.

  171. September 22, 2014 4:58 pm

    “All my comments are going straight to moderation reb”

    Sorry about that, I think it’s the links wot did it.

  172. Walrus permalink
    September 22, 2014 5:03 pm

    “”Quick, throw billions into getting people shitting their pants and racially attacking/vilifying innocent muslims going about their daily business.””

    As opposed to

    “Quick, throw billions into getting people shitting their pants and attacking/vilifying innocent “coal miners going about their daily business.”

    I don’t see anyone shitting themselves. I just se a certain amount of action by government agencies and our military. Much like the rest of the world

    By the way why are you equating muslim and race ?

    And we are talking about extreme elements…………but you already know that

  173. Walrus permalink
    September 22, 2014 5:06 pm

    “……..according to the guy who is supposed to be uniting us and calming the population, it could be any “determined individual, [with] a knife, an iPhone and a victim”.

    Yep……..just like the English soldier who was run down and then had his head hacked off with a large knife

    Fairly impersonal if you were to ask a sensible person.

    I suggest you might want to leave your household and ask someone at random

  174. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 22, 2014 5:24 pm

    Ricky tries a diversion.

  175. September 22, 2014 5:27 pm

    el gordo tries to deeper ingratiate itself…

  176. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 22, 2014 5:38 pm

    Not in this old men’s shed.

  177. September 22, 2014 5:39 pm

    Ricky tries a diversion.

    Delusionary troll with gaping Vage does not learn expulsion lesson and tries to derail thread by ignoring anything relevant to the actual topic in yet another typically irritating attention seeking diversion from the topic.

  178. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 5:40 pm

    Sorry about that, I think it’s the links wot did it.

    haha, surely the spaminator and kamahl can trust me by now! I guess we are living “in terrorble times” can’t be too careful, I might be a muslim in disguise!

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/22/howard-should-be-tried-for-conspiracy-to-commit-mass-says-andrew-wilkie

    …John Howard should be tried for conspiracy to commit mass murder by the international criminal court over the 2003 invasion of Iraq, independent MP Andrew Wilkie has claimed.

    Wilkie said he was aware of the seriousness of the allegations he was making which were prompted after Howard told Seven Network’s Sunday Night program that he was “embarrassed” no weapons of mass destruction were ever found in Iraq.

    “I was shocked to see that John Howard is only embarrassed, almost embarrassed for himself. What he should be is deeply ashamed that he lied to the Australian public 11.5 years ago, and took us into an unnecessary war, a war that has killed countless Iraqis and other people, which effectively destroyed that country and created the conditions for the rise of not just the Islamic State but other groups,” Wilkie told reporters in Canberra…

    I don’t know why labor wimped out of a RC into the iraq war, it defies any sense of responsible governance. Our government should be held responsible for their actions and policies with RCs used for that purpose, not trying to discredit political enemies.

  179. September 22, 2014 5:55 pm

    “I might be a muslim in disguise!”

    Ha! I knew it…!!

  180. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 5:57 pm

    …All the Terror is masking this gross injustice
    Abbott is a crook…

    apparently there’s goodies and baddies in whistleblowers too. If they’re on libs side they are goodies and they get leaked top secret info against targets that they want destroyed. I remember bolt and his illegal attack on wilkie, I remember jackson and lawler [suddenly the libs aren’t as enthusiastic in their praise of her]. They even misuse the legal system for political purposes [ashby, brough, pyne, roy, abbott]. Let’s not talk about ICAC, it’s a protected whistleblowing operation, but apparently libs wouldn’t be doing anything illegal if there wasn’t a law against it 😯 🙄
    If they are on labors side, or if it benefits labor and embarrasses the libs, they are the scum of the earth and have to be tracked down by AFP and the full force of the law applied. AFP never want to investigate any lib wrongdoing though.

    Baddie whistleblowers seem to be anyone who exposes the truth about the govt. policies and individual corruption/bribery [like $60,000 scholarships for a daughter in return for taxpayer funding of your organisation and deliberate misuse of entitlements].

  181. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:04 pm

    All the Terror is masking this gross injustice
    Abbott is a crook.

    yep and don’t mention the budget, general incompetence and voter hatred.

  182. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:05 pm

    Shorter KL: “Terrorism, schmerrorism”.

    As the Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman said: “Let me say clearly, even if a single bomb went off, even if a thousand bombs went off in this country, all it will prove is that Muslims are angry”

  183. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:09 pm

    “…John Howard should be tried for conspiracy to commit mass murder by the international criminal court over the 2003 invasion of Iraq, independent MP Andrew Wilkie has claimed.”

    Sounds like Wilkie is suffering from relevance deprivation syndrome.

  184. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:17 pm

    “I don’t know why labor wimped out of a RC into the iraq war, it defies any sense of responsible governance. Our government should be held responsible for their actions and policies with RCs used for that purpose, not trying to discredit political enemies.”

    It might be good for union members if Unionland is cleaned up and made more transparent, by getting rid of the bikies and the CFMEU spivs in their Maloos, the slush funds and the rorts. Make union officials account for all benefits, direct and indirect, they get from their office, like public company directors have to. Members deserve better than to be treated like mushrooms – ask Bill Shorten.

  185. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:21 pm

    Wrong question, troll.

    I don’t believe it is … and I can assure you TR is no more a “troll” around here as I am … or you …

    The point is that our “limited” resources have been easily located, under Jo Hockey’s, bed to go to war … but not for domestic issues far more important to our society than a conflict half way across the world …

    As for the bipartisan … “my enemies, enemy is my friend” approach by the ALP is slothful to say the least … Shorten is a Fuckwit™ always was going to be …

    TR, you obviously made a point … Your Lambieseque use of that analogy shows only that you are even more cynically stupid than Abbott & Co.

    Chuckle …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I don’t know why labor wimped out of a RC into the iraq war

    Indeed … the ALP were too busy with their own in fighting, methinks … et tu Juia …

    And I’ve always thought this was weird too … AFP never want to investigate any lib wrongdoing though.

    [like $60,000 scholarships for a daughter in return for taxpayer funding of your organisation and deliberate misuse of entitlements].

    And yet its the whistle-blower fronting the courts …

  186. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:22 pm

    Shorter KL: “Terrorism, schmerrorism”.

    in he context of actual evidence, of how much terrorism there has been in this country – yes, but fraidies gotta fear haven’t they, it’s the structure of the conservative brain.

    As the Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman said: “Let me say clearly, even if a single bomb went off, even if a thousand bombs went off in this country, all it will prove is that Muslims are angry”

    And when we go marching off to another war, there will be more anger and more fears of terror. The entire country will be jumping at shadows because of our actions, our meddling and killing another country.

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:25 pm

    It might be good for union members if Unionland is cleaned up and made more transparent, by getting rid of the bikies and the CFMEU spivs in their Maloos, the slush funds and the rorts.

    And you accused TR of being a troll, creating a poor analogy and being cynically stupid?

    🙄

  188. September 22, 2014 6:27 pm

    So I thought we had a budget emergency, but Abbott can find half a billion dollars to fight tewowism on the other side of the world despite no imminent threat on Austraylian soil?

    Yet the Liberal apologists on this blog just lap it all up like the mindless fucks they are…

    *sigh*

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:28 pm

    The entire country will be jumping at shadows because of our actions, our meddling and killing another country.

    And I’m still waiting for a military boots and rifles response from the Arab states! Just one …

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:33 pm

    Yet the Liberal apologists on this blog just lap it all up like the mindless fucks they are…

    But the “Lefties” … chuckle … express disappointment in BOTH the ALP and LNP … its like shopping for tomatoes … do you go to Woollies or Coles … or PUP (Aldi?)

  191. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:39 pm

    “but not for domestic issues far more important to our society than a conflict half way across the world “

    When the Islamic State leadership is instructing wannabe terrorists in Australia to start lopping it is a little more than a conflict half way across the world.

    “And you accused TR of being a troll, creating a poor analogy and being cynically stupid?”

    I look up to Tom R as the troll par ecellence. He missed his mark today but if ever I were to take up trolling Tom R is my role model. And besides, I didn’t use an analogy. Just stated the facts.

    “in he context of actual evidence, of how much terrorism there has been in this country”

    Well Bali affected a few Aussies, and we’ve put a few away, we’ve had a few go overseas and start lopping and ask their mates back here to do the same. I would be as unphased as you provided they limited themselves to leftist heads.

    “fraidies gotta fear haven’t they”

    Nice line in kindy name calling. Clearly it is the job of every responsible government to ignore the advice of its security services, especially if doing anything would offend Muslims.

    “it’s the structure of the conservative brain”

    Says Dr KL, comfortable in the knowledge that the same can’t be said of the lefty brain since a vacuum can’t have a structure. 🙂

  192. September 22, 2014 6:43 pm

    “in he context of actual evidence, of how much terrorism there has been in this country – yes, but fraidies gotta fear haven’t they, it’s the structure of the conservative brain.”

    Uh-huh.

    “And when we go marching off to another war, there will be more anger and more fears of terror. The entire country will be jumping at shadows because of our actions, our meddling and killing another country.”

    Yep. The obvious corollary of our foreign ‘interventions’ is more likelihood of ‘terror’ at home.

    The ill advised intrusion, invasion & occupation of Iraq at the turn of this century was the best self perpetuating recruitment tool an Islamic fundamentalist could have wished for. Not too many of the panty loaders acknowledge this blatant truism though.
    They’d rather blunder forward into a police state by increments. It’s self fulfilling stupidity.

  193. Walrus permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:47 pm

    “”……..but Abbott can find half a billion dollars to fight tewowism on the other side of the world despite no imminent threat on Austraylian soil?”

    Apathey was the USA’s approach………………………until September 11 2001 changed the World forever.

    You Leftist fuckwits obviously learn fuck all !

  194. September 22, 2014 6:50 pm

    “Not in this old men’s shed.”

    And yet, here you are.

    When I said…”el gordo tries to deeper ingratiate itself…”, I should have added…”with those it (often tenuously) perceives to be the natural ideological enemies of its detractors”.

    Invertebrate.

  195. September 22, 2014 6:52 pm

    “You Leftist fuckwits obviously learn fuck all !”

    Yes, because it’s so obvious that the ensuing response from the US…and our tendency to blindly follow them into dubious conflicts…made the threat of ‘tewwow’ so much better; and didn’t exponentially increase it at all.

    unfknblvbl

  196. September 22, 2014 6:54 pm

    The fear soilers are tripping over themselves to undermine the ‘freedoms’ of everyman. Primarily because they are so easily unsettled & can’t see the wood for the trees.

  197. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2014 6:57 pm

    I hate that bullshit – you can’t fight a war because you’ll upset someone. Who the fuck knew that!

    The gutless cutting and running from Iraq by Barry O had much more to do with the position Islamic State now has in Iraq. Western weakness is their greatest recruiting tool.

    If you really want to encourage recruitment for Islamic State, just sit back and watch their Caliphate grow from success to success. That is what brings the crowds out on to the streets – just like the cheering mobs in muslim countries when the Twin Towers went down.

    “The obvious corollary of our foreign ‘interventions’ is more likelihood of ‘terror’ at home.

    Obviously because, like, Bali was just payback for us going into Iraq, right?

  198. September 22, 2014 7:01 pm

    More likely Afghanistan, I’d suggest.

    Since when was Bali part of Australia?

    So am I to believe that you are suggesting that going into Iraq didn’t promulgate ‘tewwow’ and create a vacuum for IS to occupy?

  199. September 22, 2014 7:03 pm

    “I hate that bullshit ”

    Oh well…

    I hate that so many of you want to bend over and allow ridiculous longterm curtailments of liberty because you’re afraid of an overstated threat.

    Still no acknowledgement of the damage done by INVADING Iraq, I note.

  200. September 22, 2014 7:04 pm

    “Since when was Bali part of Australia?”

    Well it is like a logical extension of the Gold Coast…

    #justsayin

  201. September 22, 2014 7:07 pm

    George Brandis.

    I’m prepared to wager $1000 that his penis is probably smaller than 3 inches (when errect).

    #justsayin

  202. September 22, 2014 7:08 pm

    Hilarious…apparently Bush wouldn’t have ‘gutlessly cut & run’ then?

    Fear is the mindkiller, or something like that.

    I like how the current situation is only retro-analysed back to the point that (the undeniably warlike) Obama took charge.

    Wow…look at Tony Abbott in a big fat rush to blow all over Obama’s shoes in his haste to go to war again. Churchill quoting fuckhead; sending other people’s kids into dubiously rationalised harm’s way.

  203. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 22, 2014 7:15 pm

    “Since when was Bali part of Australia?”

    Dunno, ask the families of the dead Australians targeted there precisely because they were Australians.

    “So am I to believe that you are suggesting that going into Iraq didn’t promulgate ‘tewwow’ and create a vacuum for IS to occupy?”

    Believe what you like – Islamic State grew out of the remnants of AQ in Iraq which had been defeated and driven out of Iraq. Unfortunately Barry was hell bent on getting out ASAP instead of staying around to make sure the peace would last. That created the space for Islamic State to back into Iraq from Syria.

    Don’t get me wrong – I didn’t support going into Iraq, but once there we should have done the job properly. Bush’s surge did a lot towards that end but, on any analysis Obama got out too early on a very flimsy pretext.

  204. September 22, 2014 7:28 pm

    “Dunno, ask the families of the dead Australians targeted there precisely because they were Australians.”

    Oooooh, look there…an emotive attempt to overstate the nature of the domestic threat! Quick, let’s all surrender our privacy!

    I’m sorry splatter, but even though I know that certain parts of the world are teeming with suicidal, ignorant & barbaric overtly religious scum, I can’t gratify the way that rationalisation is being (attempted) used to knuckle down on the rest of us here.

    “Don’t get me wrong – I didn’t support going into Iraq, but once there we should have done the job properly.”

    Ok, so that I can relate to…and I appreciate the clarification. I tend to agree in principle (the Obama bashing is a little silly though…the domestic political sentiment in the US at that point probably had more to do with it than ‘Obama’- who has drone killed inextremis, btw). We broke it, so we own it. TB makes a reasonable point about the dearth of countries from the region ‘joining the fight’…but, then again, we did break it.

    Apart from potentially magnifying the domestic threat, I see the attempt to enact privacy invasion here as opportunist but unrelated. We aren’t the ME.
    Actual incidences here are virtually non-existent. And, as callous as it may sound, even a ‘tewwow’ attack here still isn’t rationalisation enough for what is being proposed on the home front. You can’t stop nutcases, they will do as they will do.
    Ratcheting down on the entire population is unjustifiable.

  205. September 22, 2014 7:30 pm

    You know sometimes you just gotta know when to shut the fuck up….

  206. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 22, 2014 7:31 pm

    “I’m prepared to wager $1000 that his penis is probably smaller than 3 inches “

    Fifi says that’s a safe bet.

  207. September 22, 2014 7:36 pm

    George Brandis.
    I’m prepared to wager $1000 that his penis is probably smaller than 3 inches (when errect).
    #justsayin

    Geneous I recon

  208. September 22, 2014 7:55 pm

    This government has to go…
    Lies and the imposition of ideology is the real terror threat

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/sep/22/abc-looks-at-budget-cuts-to-news-and-current-affairs-on-tv-and-radio

  209. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 22, 2014 7:59 pm

    The function of Trash is ‘to amuse, entertain, and inform, and to inculcate individuals with the values, beliefs, and codes of behavior that will integrate them.’

    Herman & Chomsky

  210. Tony permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:17 pm

    “Libertarians are radical extremists, anarchy and privilege for the selfish takers in society.”

    Yeah! Those radical extremists have even forced the attorney general to specifically prohibit torture in his proposed legislation. Selfish takers, the lot of them.

  211. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:20 pm

    Lies and the imposition of ideology is the real terror threat

    You bet

    Tony Abbott warns balance between security and freedom may shift

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2014/sep/22/tony-abbott-to-deliver-a-national-security-update-politics-live

    The same dick who cried “Freedom” when Labor tried to make print media operate under the same rules as broadcast media.

    And who is now actively suppressing dialogue

    The government won’t allow the Australian Federal Police to comment on whether its decision to go to war in Iraq has increased the risk of terrorism in Australia.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/09/22/afp-gagged-state-agencies-run-for-cover-on-terror-iraq-link/?wpmp_switcher=mobile

    Probably because we already know the answer 😉

  212. September 22, 2014 8:20 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-delivers-security-statement-to-parliament/story-fncynjr2-1227066472451

    “The Government is aware of at least 60 “misguided and alienated Australians” currently fighting with terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq, and of at least 100 Australians who are supporting them.

    More than 20 of these foreign fighters have already returned to Australia.”

    OMFG! 60…errrr…100…errr, ummm…20…!!!!!!!!!

    Quick! Everybody hide & let the government be your security blanket! Then, when the (ambiguous) threat is (never) over, they’ll be sure and get the fuck back out of our lives!

    Their delicate rhetoric certainly wouldn’t provoke anyone.

    ““To do so demeans Islam and mocks the duties that a legitimate state bears to its citizens,” he said.

    “It can hardly be Islamic to kill without compunction Shia, Yazidi, Turkmen, Kurds, Christians and Sunni who don’t share this death cult’s view of the world.

    “Nothing can justify the beheadings, crucifixions, mass executions, ethnic cleansing, rape and sexual slavery that have taken place in every captured town and city.”

    However, I can endorse that much…nothing can justify it, but overlooking the underlying factors which led to its rise would be foolish; especially those we may have had some complicity in, with or without intent.

    Abroad, I have no idea what a prudent course of action should be. But, at home, we shouldn’t be giving all of our future overseers a free hand to constrain us, in the name of ‘our own good’ &/or fear.

  213. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:22 pm

    More poor analogies (to some)

  214. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:24 pm

  215. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:26 pm

    But, at home, we shouldn’t be giving all of our future overseers a free hand to constrain us, in the name of ‘our own good’ &/or fear.

    Exactly. If we do, then Tewwa has won.

    What is so depressing is we had this exact same conversation a decade ago. Labor prevented it then, but will they again?

  216. September 22, 2014 8:27 pm

    True libertarians are likely to recognise the longterm threat that letting government gain a stranglehold on everyman potentially poses, better than most.

    As I see it, most of those willing to bend over for these impositions are thinking very narrowly, of the scary moosies, but not considering how such curtailments could be applied in the future to any group of choice by any stripe of government.

    ” Those radical extremists have even forced the attorney general to specifically prohibit torture in his proposed legislation.”

    Bravo.

  217. September 22, 2014 8:29 pm

  218. September 22, 2014 8:32 pm

    This is cherrypicking with little comprehension…and a large dose of bitter sarc.

    “Herman & Chomsky”

  219. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:36 pm

    ” Those radical extremists have even forced the attorney general to specifically prohibit torture in his proposed legislation.”

    How did we reach a point where we have to throw in a line that specifically prohibits torture in the first place? One year in, and this “Freedom” mob are speaking torture

    I hope it all goes back to the drawing board (it’s hard to know exactly where the legislation is at with the reporting)

  220. Tom R permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:38 pm

    Today, tabot said this

    I am very confident that we can get a better result for the Indigenous people of Australia with the changes that we have announced.

    That is my determination to get better results through more efficiency, more focus and more targetting in this spending

    Yet, when it comes to Tewwa, we must spend more? 😯

    Can’t they just spy more efficiently? Target suspects better (apparently they have a knife and an iphone)? 😯

  221. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 22, 2014 8:59 pm

    ‘and a large dose of bitter sarc.’

    I thought it was irony.

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 10:14 pm

    The government won’t allow the Australian Federal Police to comment on whether its decision to go to war in Iraq has increased the risk of terrorism in Australia.

    Look what happened to mick kelty when he told the truth, he got yanked into line real quick by howard. There’s a reason for that, the govt. doesn’t want us associating their decision to go to war [and note that no-one ever says war, it’s humanitarian aid FFS] with increased terror at home, no don’t be blaming them, they only make that decision without any consultation at all.
    Gosh, we might even blame the govt for stirring things up here and tell them we don’t want team australia killing & maiming the families of migrants living here. They want us blaming muslims for their anger, not the people who have caused it.

    When israeli-australians go to israel and fight for the israeli army, do we worry about them becoming battle hardened zealots who will come back and kill australians? After all, the zionists are just as zealous and rigid in their ideology as islam. Look at the death threats and flak that mike carlton got after his column condemning the israeli slaughter of palestinians, he was pressured to quit his job, radical zionists were carrying on as if he’d just killed one of them. Where are all those supporters of free speech again?

  223. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 10:22 pm

  224. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 22, 2014 10:28 pm

  225. Meta permalink
    September 22, 2014 11:32 pm

    (Oh well, with consumer confidence incidentally getting a big boost from all the rationing of war(s) talk, chatter about forging ahead with a central platform of IR reform at the G2020 as being the shining path to augmented domestic and global growth(s) is almost certain to capture the zeitgeist and to pick up the mood for constructive activity.)

  226. September 23, 2014 12:59 am

    Abbott’s decision to ‘send in the troops’ fails to secure poll bounce: Young Australians comprehensively reject the Abbot Government Labor increases the Lead,,,,
    Mark Dreyfus is leadership material..

    http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5824-morgan-poll-federal-voting-intention-september-22-2014-201409220753

    http://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll

  227. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 23, 2014 7:35 am

    ‘Since the carbon tax was scraped, the stock market has fallen 4% wiping off $70 billion of value’

    Coincidence? I think not.

  228. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:03 am

    ‘Mr Nowakowski said flagging growth and low inflation would create room for the Reserve Bank of Australia to make a “cut or two in interest rates, to 2 per cent”.

    ‘This would help drive the Australian dollar down as the US Federal Reserve started to lift interest rates, he said.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/dr-doom-nouriel-roubini8217s-firm-warns-of-20-australian-dollar-slump-20140922-10kc2e.html#ixzz3E5IZa9dT

  229. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:04 am

    I read a comment on PB this morning that highlighted the glaring problem with the new tewwa “reforms” being offered up to a frightened public.

    howie was “embarrassed” about his share of the decision that resulted in the slaughter thousands of Iraqis that was based on a lie, and now tabot wants the same kind of people who told the lie to have no judicial oversight.

    WTF!

    Labor better stand up for friggin democracy here!

    People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.

  230. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:05 am

    This would help drive the Australian dollar down

    Holden will welcome that news.

    Oh …. wait! 😯

  231. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:07 am

    It would make the manufacture of bullet trains reasonably cheap.

  232. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:09 am

    Our gubmint continues to destroy education

    Giving taxpayer funding to private colleges would have disastrous consequences for Australia’s higher education sector and could drive some universities out of the market, according to one of the country’s most influential vice-chancellors.

    Australian Catholic University vice-chancellor Greg Craven warns in a Senate submission that the federal government’s plan to fund for-profit colleges could “decimate” universities in regional and disadvantaged areas.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/vicechancellor-warns-funding-for-private-colleges-will-drive-unis-out-of-the-market-20140922-10kf3s.html

    Meanwhile, the architect of the destruction keeps his snout firmly planted in the trough

    The Abbott government is facing more scrutiny over travel entitlements, with fresh documents revealing Education Minister Christopher Pyne and his wife had a taxpayer-funded $30,000 trip to London and Rome in April.

    The trip included taxpayers being billed $1352 for Mr Pyne to “day let” a room at a swish London hotel before he and his wife, Carolyn, flew back to Australia later that day, and more than $2000 for VIP services at Heathrow Airport.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/questions-arise-over-christopher-pynes-taxpayerfunded-trip-with-his-wife-to-london-and-rome-20140922-10k6zr.html

    Weddings, Parties, ANYTHING!!

    A wage of entitlement?

  233. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:17 am

    Good to see some media outlets asking and not rolling over in the War On Tewwa!

    800 police, 15 people detained, but only one terrorism charge. Was there really a plot to behead a member of the public? And if so, why haven’t more charges been laid?

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/22/counter-terrorism-raids-leave-some-serious-questions-unanswered

  234. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:21 am

    From that link…don’t think the government has thought this through.

    ‘Where regional universities are unable to compete on price, particularly where private providers use business tactics such as temporary undercutting to drive them out of the market, it will adversely affect their ability to cross-subsidise critical courses.’

    Hopefully the cross benches will force them to reconsider their position.

  235. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:28 am

    More gubmint by pantz on fire

    Despite the Commonwealth government warning the nation’s health bill is spiralling out of control, a new report shows Australia’s growth in health expenditure is the lowest since the mid-1980s.

    https://theconversation.com/health-spending-growth-at-30-year-low-31983

    Turns out that the claims health expenditure is “out of control” is just bullshit. Who’d have thunk it.

  236. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:34 am

    How Embarrassment

  237. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:36 am

    How True

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/21/right-wing-rebuff

  238. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:45 am

    “”Since the carbon tax was scraped, the stock market has fallen 4% wiping off $70 billion of value””

    Yes and there has also been an upsurge in violence in Iraq. So blame it on the increase in CO2.

    FMD

    Of course the Kouk wouldn’t have noticed that the Iron Ore price has fallen quite a lot since July nor the Oil price heavily affecting BHP, Rio and Woodside who make up much of the ASX index.

    Keep the stupid comparisons coming TomR

  239. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:48 am

    “”One year in, and this “Freedom” mob are speaking torture ……”

    Errrrrrrrrrr……………No its actually your side that is wailing about it.

  240. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:51 am

    “”The government won’t allow the Australian Federal Police to comment on whether its decision to go to war in Iraq has increased the risk of terrorism in Australia.””

    Do you think there might be a separate government department that decides those sort of things and who have specialists in the area……………………maybe DFAT ?

    Duh !

  241. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:51 am

    When the Islamic State leadership is instructing wannabe terrorists in Australia to start lopping it is a little more than a conflict half way across the world.

    Thank you, Mr Abbott …

    Someone really aught to educate Abbott on the word “covert” …

    He’s created more problems than he’s “fixed” … self-fulfilling prophecy, anyone?

  242. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:53 am

    “”I’m voting for Gabi Greko “”

    Apparently Edelstein and current GF front up to the Red Carpet each year but don’t in fact have a ticket to the awards and spend the night hanging around being “”seen” in the foyer

  243. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:54 am

    Keep the stupid comparisons coming TomR

    OK

    wally and sense 🙂

  244. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:55 am

    “”He’s created more problems than he’s “fixed”…….””

    Crap !

    Hollande got the French a much better mention being labelled “spiteful and filthy””

  245. Re-writing History permalink
    September 23, 2014 9:21 am

    Wilkie today: …John Howard should be tried for conspiracy to commit mass murder by the international criminal court over the 2003 invasion of Iraq, independent MP Andrew Wilkie has claimed

    Wilkie 2003: “(Iraq’s) weapons of mass destruction program is very disjointed and contained by the regime that’s been in place since the last Gulf War … Iraq as rogue state should worry us as a potential source of weapons to terrorists …What worries me is that a war, an invasion, is the option that’s most likely to prompt Saddam to do exactly what we’re trying to prevent. A war is what is most likely to force him to act recklessly, to possibly use weapons of mass destruction himself and to possibly play a terrorism card.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/s804540.htm

  246. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 9:29 am

    From your link, re-writer of history.

    ANDREW WILKIE: In essence, Catherine, I think that invading Iraq at this time would be wrong. For a start, Iraq does not pose a security threat to any other country at this point in time. Its military is very weak, it’s a fraction of the size of the military at the time of the invasion of Kuwait. Its weapons of mass destruction program is very disjointed and contained by the regime that’s been in place since the last Gulf War. And there is no hard intelligence linking the Iraqi regime to al-Qaeda in any substantial or worrisome way.

    A history lesson before it is re-written 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/09/19/rostrum-special-tony-abbott-appreciation-day-edition/#comment-74707

  247. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 9:31 am

    Don’t worry too much about Wilkie. He usually gets his composure back if you stand to attention and call him Führer.

  248. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 9:42 am

    love the image of pyne leaving the country though

  249. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 9:47 am

    So now we see the leftist-islamofascist alliance in full effect. Joined by their common hatred of the West and their orgiastic bloodlust, these natural allies, insensible to logic and reason, now combine against the true enemy of mankind – Tony Abbott.

    For the price of a few votes in the ghettos of Western Sydney Labor is happy to sell the country out to terrorists, proving beyond doubt that they are unfit to govern for the forseeable future.

  250. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 9:49 am

    Pyne didn’t fly first class – that was Combet on his $72k lap of honour with Juanita. I’m sure you were equally critical of that, Troll R.

  251. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 9:53 am

    The Prime Minister, I fear, tells two very particular lies as he prepares to swaddle the ballot box in desert camouflage. First that there will be no Australian combat forces in Iraq, and second that these combat forces – which won’t be there – will increase your security.

    There will be boots on the ground. This will not protect you. It will, with dread certainty, increase the chances of atrocity here.

    That is no reason not to send them of course. If you believe Fascist Islam presents a credible, existential threat to Australia then you would not be much of a Prime Minister if you did not raise a mighty army and take the field against the Daesh* horde.

    But that’s not what we’re doing.

    I wasn’t up on the French, but I like what they are doing. THAT is how to combat Tewwa. Unlike tabot, who is playing their game for them.

    * The holy warriors of the Islamic State are reportedly unhappy to be labelled with the name “Daesh”, which is an Arab acronym for ISIS but which, in its plural form “daw’aish” means “bigots who impose their views on others”. The French government has officially adopted the term, and in a Pythonesque rejoinder the Daesh now refers to them as “The Filthy French”. Besides eating lots of bacon and educating your daughters I can think of no more appropriate form of resistance to these medieval wankbadgers.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/blunt-instrument/lights-camera-action-for-abbott-and-isis-20140923-10kkby.html

  252. Meta permalink
    September 23, 2014 9:55 am

  253. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 10:01 am

    I’m sure you were equally critical of that

    I was, but that was for the first class bit (which, from memory, turned out to be an up-class from lack of seats or some such?)

    But, the difference was, his wife had a role there as well (I don’t recall what it was), but it met the ministerial rules for travelling with spouses.

    Of course, I don’t recall Labor running a campaign about “age of entitlement” either?

  254. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 10:02 am

    We know tabots position on tewwa, and his position on a real threat, AGW. Is it because AGW cannot be combated with “boots on the ground”?

    There are two major summit meetings at the United Nations in New York this week. Tony Abbott has put one up in neon lights so bright they rival the glare of Times Square. The other, which mobilised the biggest street protest in the Big Apple’s history, hasn’t rated a mention.

    If you believe the Prime Minister the threat of a terrorist attack motivated by extremists murderously rampaging through Iraq and Syria is a greater issue for the world than climate change. Never mind the consensus of scientists that human activity is making the entire planet more vulnerable to catastrophic weather and the window of

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2014/09/22/mention-war-abbotts-war-talk-goes-road/

  255. Meta permalink
    September 23, 2014 10:02 am

    (Anyone with an interest for a french-fry?)

  256. Meta permalink
    September 23, 2014 10:10 am

    (Pope Francis tells Muslims to help stop ISIS in speech to religious leaders in Albania)

  257. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 10:19 am

    “Thank you, Mr Abbott …

    Genius approach, that. Don’t fight your enemy – he might get upset with you! Much better to put your head in the sand and pretend nothig bad is happening. What on earth is there to fear from followers of the Religion of Peace™? Besides we can’t spend a few million on security because we’ve pissed billions against the wall on desal plants and other monuments to Gaia. When it comes to the crunch, the windfarms will save us all. Don’t worry, be happy, la-la-la-la I’m a lefty!

  258. Meta permalink
    September 23, 2014 10:20 am

    (Yeah, I read somewhere that street hustlers were disputing 7:30’s ‘extinction protocol’ priorities palaver (something to do with changing eco-territories and shifty bats-outta-hell, mebe)…

    “On a day of 2,700 simultaneous climate events from Melbourne to Manhattan, the US secretary of state, John Kerry, reinforced the calls from the streets for action by calling on world leaders to take the threat of climate change as seriously as Isis or Ebola. Organisers had called the day of protests in order to put pressure on world leaders gathering in New York for a UN summit on climate change on Tuesday. It will be the leaders’ first such meeting in five years. Kerry, in remarks to foreign ministers of the 20 biggest economies, said climate change should be at the top of the agenda despite competition from more immediate challenges.

    “While we are confronting [Isis], and we are confronting terrorism and we are confronting Ebola, this also has an immediacy that people have come to understand,” he said. “There is a long list of important issues before all of us, but the grave threat that climate change poses warrants a prominent position on that list.””)

  259. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 10:29 am

    Thanks Meta, but I already knew that Gigolo John Kerry was a stone cold idiot.

  260. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 10:31 am

    Yikes: “Polygamist women dressed ‘like ninjas’ attack

  261. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 10:33 am

    Wow, devastating critique

    the splatteredbum reckons Kerry’s an idiot (a stone cold one at that) 😯

    TAKE THAT worlds scientists

    nyah nyan nya nyah nyah!

  262. Tony permalink
    September 23, 2014 11:00 am

    Yeah, when it comes to being terrified of a non-existent threat, there is no contest.

    Klimatewetterz FTW!

  263. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 11:17 am

    Yeah, when it comes to being terrified of a non-existent threat,

    I don’t see anybody here denying that ISIS is a threat. I see people questioning both the rhetoric around the threat, and the actual level of the threat as portrayed.

    I do see many people denying AGW is a threat, even though far more respected and transparent sources are telling us otherwise.

    tewwawetterz WTW!

  264. September 23, 2014 11:18 am

    Nice Rant Splatter..
    Maybe if these bearded burka lurkers were going to bomb wind farms that would be OK? as opposed to the real radical jihadist neocon dog botherers chuckin bombs at da troof…struth 🙄

  265. Meta permalink
    September 23, 2014 11:19 am

    (While we’re doing in-depth environmental impact assessments of proposed activities: “But if America does not support the advance of democratic institutions and values, who will?”)

  266. Meta permalink
    September 23, 2014 11:21 am

    (And one for TB of: Mining coup in Queensland removes public objection rights…:

    “The Queensland government has recently removed long-standing public rights to object to mines. In shades of the Bjelke-Petersen era, Queensland mines minister Andrew Cripps made fundamental changes one minute before the bill was passed by the Parliament at 11:57pm, just shy of midnight.”

  267. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 11:29 am

    “”……..and transparent sources are telling us otherwise.””

    IPCC transparent ?………………………COMEDY GOLD !

  268. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 11:47 am

    RP, re the Roy Morgan Poll …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/govt-wins-back-support-newspoll/story-e6frfku9-1227067536769

    Chuckle … propaganda polls …

  269. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 11:49 am

    Our gubmint continues to destroy education

    And renewable energy businesses in the sugar industry (The Business – last night)

  270. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 11:56 am

    COMEDY GOLD ! from The Bigness! itself 😉

    Laugh all you like, but transparency is one of IPCC’s main principles.

  271. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 12:05 pm

    Crap !

    And crap back at you … mrrrr …

    Intelligent argument has always become you Wally …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    So now we see the leftist-islamofascist alliance in full effect.

    Chortle … Bex, a fag and a lie down Winston …

    Don’t worry, be happy, la-la-la-la I’m a lefty!

    Yep … it worked in Korea and Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Mogadishu … yeah what a great technique …

    And how many Arab boots and rifles have been committed to defend their people and CONTINENT?

    Military and modern international political strategy seem to be lacking here somewhat … explains the misunderstanding of an intelligence analysts take on the situation over a an amateur boxer’s … and the USAF General on Lateline last night …

  272. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 12:25 pm

    Meta, yes I saw that … back to the future for those of us who are old enough … might find my old stage jacket in anticipation …

  273. Meta permalink
    September 23, 2014 12:30 pm

    (And how many Arab boots and rifles have been committed to defend their people and CONTINENT?

    Now, now, our good friends and allies in the kingdoms, principates, and emirates have assured us that they will be reserving their prodigous barter-purchases in interoperable military machineries, to instead fight the war on terror and caliphates by cutting off the check-book; beginning with an embargoed Iran and its unclean thoughts about dirty hands initially being denied a plush-seat at the big-table.)

  274. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 12:51 pm

    Don’t fight your enemy – he might get upset with you!

    erm … we invaded Iraq … did you bitch then?

    How many “enemies” in Australia did we have before the Abbott Apocalypse?

    15 “suspects” and three earlier … mmm … les than 20?

    How many do we have now after Abbott’s Army Antics?

    About 100 … with 100,000 backup in the ME …

    Clever …

    Do you have any idea how many ADF members we have in total?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    nyah nyan nya nyah nyah!

    Yeah, its a bit like that when the troof unfolds for yer … reason seems to shrivel and die … and it becomes a return to the emotions of yesteryear …

  275. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:02 pm

    Now, now, our good friends and allies in the kingdoms, principates, and emirates …

    But how many soldiers, sailors and air personnel have they actually committed to fighting and defeating the evil ISIL (and why is it now ISIL – sounds like a bloody washing powder – or a toothpaste advert)

    Foot soldiers and support … I should rest my case but I suspect we will NEVER see it … Muslim against Muslim in open conflict … (covert bombings are OK it seems) …

    This fracas is so convoluted only a fool would commit to ground troops …

    Call me a genius … but maybe the green on blues in Afghanisatan*** have coloured my thoughts over working with arabs …

    *Genius approach, that. Don’t fight your enemy

    ***http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2012/08/green-on-blue_attack.php

  276. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:05 pm

    A picture really is worth a thousand words … (and yes I’m still agnostic)

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/townsville-salute-image-of-heads-in-sand-sums-up-tony-abbotts-approach-to-climate-change/story-fnjwvztl-1227067746590

  277. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:07 pm

    Further to ao’s link about hte guy being detained on the plane for doodling, and TB’s comment above, we now have this

    Three football fans said they were “furious and humiliated” after being detained at a rugby league match for using their mobile telephones in a manner an onlooker deemed suspicious.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/three-fans-humiliated-by-police-treatment-at-roosterscowboys-match-20140922-10kelw.html

    The closing remarks are the most telling. It is the way the far right always run things. They need an enemy, and they don’t mind making one of minority sections of the community.

    Mr Houda said: “It’s getting ridiculous. The last time the Muslim community were confronted with such a wave of bigotry and racism was under John Howard but this time it is way overboard.”

    They used Yella terra, Reds under the beds, Vietnamese Boatpeople, Any Boatpeople, and now, Muslims are the chosen scapegoat.

    To be clear, it is Radical Ideologues who are the tewwawists in a far flung land. Not the local Muslim community.

    Meanwhile, out country is on High Alert; Panicked or Prepared?

    I wonder if comments about a “knife and an iphone” could trigger something like the above story?

    The abbottalypse is here, and it is dividing as it goes.

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:09 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/bhp-billiton-to-slash-700-jobs-from-queensland-coal-operations-as-coal-market-continues-massive-collapse/story-fnii5v6w-1227067617424

    Don’t worry, Tony Abbott, has seen “Beneath Hill 60”, they were miners too – originally … if its good enough for WWI its good enough for Iraq III … plenty of jobs in the army lads and lasses … we have an “enemy to fight …”

  279. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:13 pm

    The abbottalypse is here, and it is dividing as it goes.

    The Anthony Abbott Amoeba Awakening ….

  280. Meta permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:18 pm

    (Hmmm. Originally, I thought ‘your jihad needs you! and all you need is a knife, an iPhone, and an intent!’ was a genuine ISIL advertisement; but the actual, irrational ISILists seem to continue to deploy first-conditional, if-then language as a kind of authenticator.)

  281. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:37 pm

    was a genuine ISIL advertisement

    It’s difficult to see how the confusion comes about really?

    AAAA 😉

  282. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:41 pm

    “Maybe if these bearded burka lurkers were going to bomb wind farms that would be OK?”

    Now that is my kind of jihad! Sounds like a win-win scenario.

  283. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:57 pm

    Now that is my kind of jihad!

    Careful splatteredbum, they’ll be kickin’ in your front door soon 😉

  284. Meta permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:59 pm

    (At least Queensland is doing something reassuringly proactive about the Sword of Damocles hanging over the head of its accoutrements: Queensland police strategies reviewed after Islamic State threat. Nevertheless, we really should do something more about so-called moderate Muslims, and especially any still making-up lies and excuses about causal relations, or advising taking an As-Pro’s word about reducing the fever-pitch.)

  285. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 1:59 pm

    “…….(and yes I’m still agnostic)………….””

    More Crap !

  286. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 2:03 pm

    “”…..15 “suspects” and three earlier … mmm … les than 20?………..””

    September 11 only required 19 “”non suspects””

    So what’s your point ?

  287. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 2:08 pm

    “So what’s your point?”

    September 11 was trivial. Just a bit of tewwawism. Nothing to see here. Look over there at the melting poley bears and spend billions trying to change the weather.

  288. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 2:10 pm

    So what’s your point ?

    Well, one would be your inclusion of the term “non” right there 😉

  289. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 2:12 pm

    September 11 was trivial.

    That might be your opinion, but it isn’t widely shared I would guess.

    What isn’t trivial was the reaction to it, and what has bred from htat.

    The US (and it’s allies) continually give the radicals precisely what they want. War and Tewwa

    And we have stepped right up to the plate for them again.

  290. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 2:23 pm

    “What isn’t trivial was the reaction to it, and what has bred from that.”

    Indeed. The US did not stay the course. Obama’s feckless withdrawal from Iraq has consequences. The only course Obama is truly committed to is the golf course.

    Compounding this is the total failure to understand the and identify the vile religious ideology at the core of the problem. Since 9/11 there have been over 20,000 Islamically inspired terror attacks. Yet politicians are so coy about naming the enemy. In the battle of ideas, leaders with no idea are worse than useless.

  291. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 2:29 pm

    Obama has now loaded CoD Modern Warfare Syria in the Playstation.

  292. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 2:36 pm

    Obama’s feckless withdrawal from Iraq has consequences.

    😯

    So, no probs with going there in the first place?

  293. Meta permalink
    September 23, 2014 2:52 pm

    (In the battle of ideas, leaders with no idea are worse than useless.

    Could be; sheep go to Heaven and goats go to Hell; or vice versa; perhaps.)

  294. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 3:00 pm

    “So, no probs with going there in the first place?”

    Shouldn’t have gone in without UN support. But having “broken it” they should have hung around until it was “fixed”.

  295. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 3:12 pm

    But having “broken it” they should have hung around until it was “fixed”.

    I AGREE!

    But, what is fixed? I mean, weren’t we asked to leave, by the same mob now asking us back? How could we stay if the Iraqis claimed they no longer required assistance? And how will we know this time if we are still required or not?

  296. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 3:27 pm

    Obama did not try too hard to argue about the state of forces agreement. He just cut and run at the first opportunity:

  297. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 23, 2014 3:44 pm

    ‘…even though far more respected and transparent sources are telling us otherwise.’

    Strongly agree, the Denialati are filth.

  298. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 4:15 pm

    Of course one should never believe anything until its officially denied

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/09/emir-tells-merkel-qatar-does-not-fund-isil-201491717515759557.html

  299. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 4:16 pm

    I wonder if FIFA is watching for a way out of its predicament ?

  300. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 4:18 pm

    Perhaps they are

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/2022-world-cup-qatar-fifa-official

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 4:38 pm

    I wonder if FIFA is watching for a way out of its predicament ?

    Do keep up,wally, FIFA said Qatar was too hot (yesterday or the day before)… or they’ve spent all the bribes … must be that climate change shite! Slow Learners FIFA …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    TR, bit of a shrill in the air I notice … rightwinger rusteds are sooooooo aggressive …

  302. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 23, 2014 4:42 pm

    I’m sure you were equally critical of that, Troll R.

    what’s with these troll accusations? tomR has been with us since day dot, longer than yourself sb. His wit and humour always thoroughly enjoyed by myself.

    They used Yella terra, Reds under the beds, Vietnamese Boatpeople, Any Boatpeople, and now, Muslims are the chosen scapegoat.

    yes, and when all those have moved on there’s always the old standby, aborigines.
    If there wasn’t a minority to bash, they’d invent one, but fortunately for them, asylum seekers, aborigines and muslims are a nationalist bigot pleaser. Always plenty of fodder available as a sideshow to distract from the ugliness of their policies.

  303. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 23, 2014 5:31 pm

  304. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 23, 2014 5:44 pm

    “what’s with these troll accusations?”

    It is a compliment not an accusation, KL. Tom R is the best troll I have ever seen. He is able to make sharp points concisely. That is an art in itself. Others here can do that on occasion, but Tom R is a consistent performer. He almost never goes off message. Should I ever feel the urge to troll, Tom R is my guide and my example.

    Part of his skill is to appear to be reasonable, yet be pointed and annoying at the same time, and concise into the bargain. Most of the idiots on twitter are irrational – like Mike Carlton in that tweet you posted above. They are so ridiculous they don’t even warrant a response. Tom R, on the other hand, glazes his provocations with a patina of rationality. And, all too often, I fall for the bait.

  305. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 5:56 pm

    The Real Julia is on TV tonight with Ray

    No doubt she will be telling us that she would have been so really awesome if only Kevin Rudd did not exist and nasty people hadn’t picked on her

    Do any stations just run test patterns anymore ??????????

  306. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 23, 2014 6:04 pm

    When it comes to splitting hairs, TR is a champion.

  307. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 6:11 pm

    You mean is it a Price or a Tax ?

  308. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 6:12 pm

    Or perhaps you mean its set by a completely Free Market with a $23 a tonne minimum ?

  309. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 6:15 pm

    Or perhaps the line that goes………………….

    “”Craig Thomson sued Fairfax and he settled with them out of court”

    Thereby implying that he’d won when he’d lost

  310. Walrus permalink
    September 23, 2014 6:18 pm

    How about

    Corporate Welfare for Gina and Twiggy BAD

    Corporate Welfare for Unionised Car Industry Workers GOOD

  311. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 6:28 pm

    Or perhaps you mean its set by a completely Free Market with a $23 a tonne minimum ?

    Well, not to split any hairs but …

    completely Free Market ❓ 😯

    Now, that’s not really the same as “a market-based mechanism” is it, hair splitter?

    Splitting more hairs from areas I’d prefer not to, splatteredarse got it wrong, again (sigh)

    When he said Should I ever feel the urge to troll he forget to add successfully at the end, as most of his posts today have been nothing but failed trolls. It’s truly a sad state of affairs when even the likes of grodo can teach you something splatteredarse 😉

    TR, bit of a shrill in the air I notice

    Yabbies get like that too when the water gets too hot for ’em TB 😉

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 6:32 pm

    It is a compliment not an accusation, KL.

    BS … that’s a backpedal if ever I saw one …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Do any stations just run test patterns anymore ??????????

    No-one here has you intellectual capacity to watch them, Wally … sorry …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    When it comes to splitting hairs, TR is a champion.

    what do you do then, shred ’em … Jesus Fkn Christ!

    How about …

    You’ve lost the plotS …

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 6:50 pm

    I’ve been reluctant to jump on the bandwagon accusing News Ltd of bias and prejudiced reporting but after this BS all that changes …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/newspoll-voters-rally-behind-leaders-in-times-of-national-difficulty/story-fncynjr2-1227067805630

    The tag line “Why We Finally Like Tony Abbott” … click …

    Problem is many of us don’t – even those who voted for him … treating Australians like 1914 Mother England supporters just demonstrates the ignorance of how good our international communications systems work and the high level of general education we already have – despite the LNP attempting to control even that!

    WITH the Budget off the national agenda and the threat of terrorism front of mind for many Australians, Tony Abbott has received a healthy bump in the polls this morning.

    Silly enough to state the obvious tho’ …

  314. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 23, 2014 6:58 pm

    “tomR has been with us since day dot

    Me to but i am still called a troll. Especially on the Scotland post.

    “Health costs up: Governments spending less, while out-of-pocket payments highest in a decade

    What is the point of this statement? Since it was provided by AO i assume it is some dig at Abbott. The report is from years 2012-2013 when Gillard was in power. Amazing- even though Labor was running $40B deficits they were spending less. Howard funded everything and ran a surplus.

  315. Tom R permalink
    September 23, 2014 7:25 pm

    What is the point of this statement?

    Because the libs were claiming that health spending was unsustainable. That statement highlights the lie that is.

  316. September 23, 2014 7:28 pm

    The weatherman was wearing a red tie on ABC news tonight. A clear sign of their left wing bias.

  317. Tony permalink
    September 23, 2014 7:38 pm

    “The weatherman was wearing a red tie on ABC news tonight. A clear sign of their left wing bias.”

    They’re not even trying to hide it any more. It’s a disgrace!

  318. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 23, 2014 7:39 pm

    The report is from years 2012-2013 when Gillard was in power. Amazing- even though Labor was running $40B deficits they were spending less. Howard funded everything and ran a surplus.

    neil, I don’t care who was in power. Don’t bother me with your partisan squealing about who was in power when…I don’t care. The libs are saying right now that we need to provide co-payments as medicare is hugely unsustainable for the future. Simply not true. They get voted in on lies and deception because if they told the truth of their plans to the electorate they would never be elected.

    More Lies as they try [again] to dismantle our universal healthcare scheme, something australians have treasured since whitlam. It never stops with them.
    The libs are lying to citizens and deceiving them [which was pretty obvious as soon as this ‘research fund’ thing came about]. Any bets that the taxpayer funded research facility would turn out to be another gravy train for pollies &lobbyists?

  319. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:00 pm

    …and look at that disloyal prick Turnbull, he’s obviously issued a challenge to Abbott via a RED tie!

  320. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:08 pm

    ”His wit and humour always thoroughly enjoyed by myself.”

    He’s like a union delegate who has swallowed a thesaurus, which can be entertaining (in much the same way that tinea is entertaining)

  321. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:09 pm

    From Kitty’s link.

    “The facts of climate change are not in question anymore. Everyone understands climate change is occurring, and the people who oppose it are really hurting our children and our grandchildren and making the world a much worse place. And so we should not be aligned with such people — they’re just, they’re just literally lying.”

    Oddly, I completely agree with the statement that climate changes and anyone who says otherwise is misinformed.

  322. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:11 pm

    …and I suppose “wit and humour” is rhyming slang – for “a little s**t that’s as enjoyable as a brain tumour”

  323. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:14 pm

    Just arrived in my inbox …

    I became confused when I heard the word’service’ used with these agencies:
    Banking ‘Service’
    Postal ‘Service’
    Telephone ‘Service’
    Pay ‘Service’
    State & Public ‘Service’
    Customer ‘Service’
    Bureaucratic ‘Service’
    This is not what I thought ‘Service’ meant.
    Then I visited my uncle, he’s a farmer, and he hired a bull to ‘Service’ his cows.
    Suddenly WOW!!! It all came clear. Now I understand what all those agencies are doing to us!

  324. Tony permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:20 pm

    Tom R is a reverse-indicator.

  325. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:23 pm

    He’s like a union delegate who has swallowed a thesaurus, which can be entertaining (in much the same way that tinea is entertaining)

    I thought you were a colleague of, sb?

    …and I suppose “wit and humour” is rhyming slang – for “a little s**t that’s as enjoyable as a brain tumour”

    I don’t generally associate you with personal nastiness … ToM … ask, sb, what he takes to calm down …

    And quoting very painful medical complaints too … Qur’anitis … perhaps …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well, TR, you seem to be having the right (chuckle) impact around here … 😆

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:25 pm

    Tom R is a reverse-indicator.

    Gee, you lot really get uptight when your fancy is tickled, don’t you?

    WhateverTF “reverse-indicator? means … speaking of swallowing a thesaurus … 😉

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:27 pm

    Have you noticed when the rugby union lads get flustered they all break into a get the player mode … and Wally reckons, Lefties are soooooo aggressive … GMAFB!

    Reverse indicator … yeah take a look at yourselves …

  328. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:27 pm

    TB, I don’t do those smiley faces, tongue pokes, frowns etc, I’d prefer to leave my comments ambiguous, but I’m sure Tom R knows what I mean.

  329. Tony permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:31 pm

    “WhateverTF “reverse-indicator? means … ”

    Maybe the answer will arrive in your inbox. At which point you’ll know what you’re ranting about.

  330. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 23, 2014 8:34 pm

    Try this for the Tom R experience …

  331. September 24, 2014 12:33 am

    Never thought I would say this but Hats Off to Ray Martin for a fantastic interview with Former Prime Minister Julia Gillard There was so much vitriol and lies thrown at this great woman, I am glad she can now has a chance to tell exactly what went down, This is a strong decisive leader with vision and formidable negotiation acumen, a pragmatic doer who’ s progressive legislative legacy speaks for itself as it dwarfs the envious rhetorical diatribe of lesser men.

    http://www.9news.com.au/National/2014/09/23/18/50/Julia-Gillard-tells-Ray-Martin-she-underestimated-Kevin-Rudd

  332. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:54 am

    ‘so much vitriol and lies thrown at this great woman,’

    **chortle**

  333. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:02 am

    Crowd Control: the power of social media avoids unnecessary bloodshed.

    ‘SOCIAL media is being used so ­effectively to terrorise people in Iraq and Syria that Islamic State fighters are clearing swaths of territory without having to commit full military resources. UN Security Council meetings are being told that people are fleeing their homes and land even ­before Islamic State terrorists reach towns as Twitter and other social media has turned into a weapon of terror displacing tens of thousands of people.’

  334. Meta permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:32 am

    (Jolly good, wot wot.)

  335. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:50 am

    The rebels that Syria are looking to train Meta. Are they the baddies, or the baddies?

  336. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:54 am

    I’m sure the headlines out of Melbourne this morning will fuel the fires

    Islamophobia: Australia’s Newest National Sport

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/23/islamophobia-australias-newest-national-sport

  337. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:59 am

    btw, I see there was a large level group un-hinging last night. What a riot. Thanks for the nice words though ao and TB.

    Not sure about yomms though, too “amphibious” perhaps?

    And I’m not sure if I’m some kind of xxxx parabol or not tosy, but I’ll leave that pondering up to you 😉

    But all in all, an entertaining session by the looks. My markets closed up after reading it anyway 😆

  338. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 8:03 am

    For those bleeding hearts amongst us…

    ‘… the whereabouts of five rocket-launchers stolen from the army and allegedly bought by a member of the Sydney terror cell remains a mystery.’

  339. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 8:27 am

    And Kitty would be smart to stop threatening the PM with death.

  340. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 8:42 am

    would be smart to stop threatening the PM with death.

    Are you sure that’s what was said? I mean, it’s not like she went on her syndicated radio program and said she’d like to drop her in the ocean in a chaff bag? Or told voters that they should “get her in their sights” is it 😯

    (not that I agreed with what ao said back then)

  341. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 8:44 am

    Pertinent

    It is ultimately irrelevant what terminology the government chooses to use because the declared enemy, Isis, has already set the terms. They have declared a holy war, and now the international community has responded just as the jihadists wanted.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/23/isis-the-international-community-has-responded-just-as-the-jihadists-wanted

    Meanwhile, our gubmint have responded even better than the jihadists could have dreamed of.

  342. September 24, 2014 8:59 am

    “For those bleeding hearts amongst us…”

    Fuckwit with soiled panties.

  343. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:04 am

    “For those tewwawetterz amongst us…”

    ‘… the whereabouts of five rocket-launchers stolen from the army and allegedly bought by a member of the Sydney terror cell remains a mystery.’

  344. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:08 am

    Kingsford Smith is a stone’s throw from Belmore. Just sayin….

  345. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:15 am

    Just sayin….

    There’s a lot of that going on lately, isn’t there.

    How long ago did those rocket launchers go missing?

    All of a sudden…..

    Just sayin….

  346. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:25 am

    Half a dozen years ago.

  347. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:26 am

    And I see the libs are trying to silence dissent again

    A federal Liberal MP has slammed the ABC for broadcasting what he says are inflammatory “conspiracy theories” about last week’s terror raids on last night’s Q&A program.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-mp-alex-hawke-accuses-abcs-qa-of-broadcasting-conspiracy-theories-on-terror-raids-20140923-10kt3i.html

    Where are the “free Speech” warriors now? crickets… ❓

    Is it because he didn’t like what was said, or because it cut too close?

    Ms Abdel-Fattah described the terror raids as a “spectacle” and “conveniently timed” ahead of the government’s “most draconian” national security legislation which is being introduced into Parliament this week.

    “You cannot help but feel cynical about the timing of these raids, the fact that it is whipping people up into a frenzy of hysteria, or war fever,” she said.

    “It reinforced this wider narrative of Muslims as criminals … and I’m very cynical about the government’s decision to politicise these raids,” she added.

  348. Meta permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:27 am

    (The rebels that Syria are looking to train Meta. Are they the baddies, or the baddies?/i>

    I don’t know.)

  349. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:28 am

    Half a dozen years ago.

    One year you might right. Not this one.

    Try doubling your number.

  350. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:30 am

    Pantzwetter cops stabbed by Tewwawist. Jeering leftists worry themselves sick about Islamophobia.

  351. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:30 am

    I don’t know

    It surely is a “witches brew” of “baddies n baddies” [sigh]

  352. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:33 am

    “This is a strong decisive leader with vision and formidable negotiation acumen,……..””

    COMEDY GOLD !

    She’s nothing but a lying piece of shit who as I said opines about how awesome she could have been without Kevin Rudd, without being picked on (by Germaine Greer), and without an effective Opposition Leader.

    She”s a total failed fuckwit of a leader and History thankfully is starting to judge her as such.

    Fancy crying over being branded as disloyal in the morning papers and then that very night going ahead and backstabbing the elected PM and then being surprised at how badly he reacted to it.

    As I said a complete and utter fuckwit.

  353. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:37 am

    Pantzwetter cops stabbed by Tewwawist.

    I wonder how much this has to do with being egged on with live updates of directions from ISIS(L) on our nightly news for any loon to take note of?

    If you beat the drums, they will come.

    “A call for my execution may be extreme, but it demonstrates how the beating of the drums of war and the hysteria this generates inevitably prevent the kind of calm, serious and rational discussion that is called for when decisions are being made to commit Australians overseas to kill and potentially to be killed.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/labor-mp-melissa-parke-received-death-threat-on-twitter-over-iraq-dissent-20140923-10knvp.html

  354. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:39 am

    This is why we should be afraid, not because of crazies with knives and ipods. We should be aware of them, but not afraid. Yet our leaders and media have ramped up the tewwa level until it has become a self fulfilling prophecy.

    Something is happening to Australia’s democracy. It’s happening right before our eyes, in federal Parliament, on national television, on the front of our daily newspapers. And we’re applauding it.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/23/abbotts-anti-terror-laws-are-real-danger-australia

  355. Meta permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:41 am

    (Theoretically, post-princesses ultimately aren’t deterred by the spectre of life and death; they revel in it, and in the terror of STEM cells for antediluvian Prime Ministers, and in microtomy of the unreflective face of misogyny in modern Australia; and they appear to be multiplying, globally;.)

  356. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:46 am

    Fancy crying over being branded as disloyal in the morning papers and then that very night going ahead and backstabbing the elected PM and then being surprised at how badly he reacted to it.

    Are we talking about tabot and turnbull?

    tabot is lucky turnbull isn’t as vindictive as rudd was/is.

    As was hawke, keating, howard, ……

  357. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:47 am

    Undeclared wars are the best, even Assad tips his hat to the infidels.

  358. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:51 am

    I can’t wait for a Q&A about police harassment of bikies.

    * Audience member (Mrs Skull) – ‘Skull junior was so traumatised when the police raided our house and took Skull away’
    * Token police – ‘We have arrested Mr Skull and charged him with rape, drug dealing and possession of firearms’
    * Mrs Skull & Ms Chopper – ‘You lot have it in for the Heathen Bikie Club, they’re just a group of mates who discuss rape and drug dealing as their way of bonding’

  359. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:56 am

    I can’t wait for a Q&A about police harassment of bikies.

    There has been a lot of community support AGAINST the police harassment of bikies actually yomm.

    People may not agree with them, or even like them, sometimes even hate them, but they agree less with the methods used to intimidate them

    Intimidation is a bikies game, we were (at some time) supposed to be above that.

  360. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:58 am

    And the temerity of that lying sack of shit Gillard to imply that if it was not for Kevin Rudd she would have been as “awesome” äs Hawke and Keatng…………..she’s not fit to even share a lift with them let alone be even mentioned in the same sentence.

    What a complete moron she is………….

    Who the fuck does she think she’s fooling except for rusteds like TomR , Ricky and TB who get suckered in continually by her barrage of bullshit.

  361. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 9:59 am

    And why the fuck was Ray Martin doing the interview……………………….has Laurie Oakes carked it ?

  362. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:01 am

    “”There has been a lot of community support AGAINST the police harassment of bikies actually yomm.””

    In “”Your World”” perhaps.

    Certainly not in Sydney where they are seen correctly as major suppliers of Ice.

  363. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:04 am

    Does Sydney have the same draconian laws that Queensland and South Australia have?

  364. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:07 am

    So enforcement of the prevailing Law is now seen as “”harassment”” ?

    Interesting POV

  365. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:07 am

    At which point you’ll know what you’re ranting about.

    Ahhh … “reverse indicator” … I’m not the one rantin’, sir …

    Just sayin’ …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I know I’m cynical … but I’m still trying to figure out why an AFP member and a VP member call a “meeting” – outside – a police station with a “known terrorist suspect” – albeit 18 yo – who had just lost his passport and been seen waving an IS flag at a local shopping centre.

    During the “meeting” both police officers were stabbed – one it appears seriously – whereupon the VP member fired one shot killing the “suspect” … (that’s really close range stuff – and one shot is unusual) …

    And then … the bomb squad turned up …

    Now I know journos have always (and particularly these days) fkd up the truth but so much of the “usual police protocol” is missing here … if the 18 yo was mine I’d want some serious answers to some serious questions …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/teen-terror-suspect-shot-dead-in-melbourne-after-stabbing-two-police-officers/story-fncynjr2-1227068524947

  366. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:08 am

    “If you beat the drums, they will come.”

    Stop beating. You must be out of hand cream by now!

    And, yes, I know, it is not the fault of Religion of Peace™. Their followers only get violent when we point out their violent ways.

  367. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:08 am

    wow, some Gillard unhinging going on this morning too. Get it off ya chest wally 😉

  368. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:10 am

    So enforcement of the prevailing Law is now seen as “”harassment”” ?

    Do you understand the powers the “prevailing Law ” in those two states have?

  369. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:11 am

    “I know I’m cynical … “

    No Tewwawists to see here. Must be the cops’ fault. Let’s just make sure we all keep on jeering and smearing Abbott.

  370. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:13 am

    Only pantzwetters want laws against Tewwawists. Tell those cops to harden up and grow a pair.

  371. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:13 am

    “”During the “meeting” both police officers were stabbed – one it appears seriously – whereupon the VP member fired one shot killing the “suspect” … (that’s really close range stuff – and one shot is unusual) …””

    Stupid is as Stupid does…………………..who the fuck takes a knife to a gun fight ?

  372. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:15 am

    Who the hell takes a knife to a Police interview…………………………………..a Goodie does of course !

  373. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:21 am

    “”… if the 18 yo was mine I’d want some serious answers to some serious questions … “”

    So TB immediately projects that its all highly suspicious and casts doubt on the Police actions………………..conveniently neglecting that the 18 year old appears to have taken a knife to a Police station………………………has been seen to be carrying an ISIS flag………….and has been deemed by DFAT/ASIO not fit to have a passport.

    And the Police have serious questions to answer………………??????????????????????

    Fuck me dead where does this convolution of bullshit end ?

  374. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:22 am

    who the fuck takes a knife to a gun fight ?

    But did he have an iphone?

    It appears that he had a victim in mind though.

  375. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:23 am

    “Fuck me dead where does this convolution of bullshit end ?”

    If you hate Abbott enough, reason is not a relevant criterion.

  376. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:33 am

    Must be the cops’ fault

    Did I say that … I just think normal police operandi would be to go out and arrest the little bugger … when have police officers (Fed and state) had meetings FFS …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    and TB who get suckered in continually by her barrage of bullshit.

    I know you live in your tunnel-visioned little world, Wally, but I think if you ever care to read my posts JG lost any support from me the night she ousted Rudd … ’twas also the night that any chance of me supporting the ALP was diminished more than considerably … of course you wouldn’t notice that these days I quite comfortably chastise ALL politicians … especially dickheads like Abbott who continuously stick their head up in the trenches …

    And as for this stupidity …

    In “”Your World”” perhaps.

    Certainly not in Sydney where they are seen correctly as major suppliers of Ice.

    Once again you miss the point, TR, was making … it wasn’t the reason for the bikie laws that many people in Queensland object to … the childish, private school bullying that went with them … 23 hours in 24 in solitary and compulsory wearing of pink T-shirts – as an example – is a bit over the top in the 21st century … wearing clubs colours being illegal gets a bit OTT when – if you look closely at the laws they can easily and simply be used against any club … what football code do you follow? Any particular state?

    Y’see narrow minded right whingers only see as far as the end of their noses … and, yes, a lot of the lefties do too …

    Sad world …

    .

  377. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:35 am

    “Fuck me dead where does this convolution of bullshit end ?”

    Here perhaps?

    New laws could give ASIO a warrant for the entire internet, jail journalists and whistleblowers

    http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/new-laws-could-give-asio-a-warrant-for-the-entire-internet-jail-journalists-and-whistleblowers-20140923-10kzjz.html

    Free Speech Warriors. Yoohoo, where are you?

    Once again you miss the point, TR, was making

    I still don’t know if it’s deliberate or not ❓

  378. September 24, 2014 10:39 am

    As I said a complete and utter fuckwit.

    Priceless.. this is coming from a a bloke that voted for Abbott? that is hilarious 🙂

    Now if you’ll excuse me i’m off to get a copy off her books should be interesting to learn the truth away from the frothing of projectors poised by the lies of the adams Abbott family.

    I had no idea Battle lines was an instruction manual for aspirant dictators

  379. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:39 am

    … conveniently neglecting that the 18 year old appears to have taken a knife to a Police station

    Who should have been … frisked and “taken” to the police station for interviewing … not “invited to a meeting outside the police station …

    … its normal police protocol …

    Did someone above mention stupid is as …

  380. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:42 am

    I still don’t know if it’s deliberate or not

    Either way its fkn stupid …

  381. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:45 am

    “”……….. “invited to a meeting outside the police station … “”

    Only in your World has the meeting ben arranged to be in the carpark.

    In the Press it is “met in the carpark” to be taken inside.

    In the real World people pull out of interviews at the last moment. If I was about to interview him ï’d be apprehending him ASAP

  382. Meta permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:51 am

    (Fuck me dead where does this convolution of bullshit end ?

    With due process, as per usual, going about business as usual, and possibly with a formal internal and/or external investigation as usual; there was some passing mention of a coroner, perhaps? And who knows, even an internal investigator, or an external investigator, like a coroner, too, might have some further questions of immediately involved parties to the event, or not, and some subsequent recommendations, or not, which might be of some assistance, or not, for the better function and protection of police and of members of the public in these (un)usual times. That’s sometimes, even usually, how it goes, as I understand the general process.

    Don’t you wonder a little at how an initial, mediated claim emerged that ‘officers had no idea’, given, and as cited, further (im)mediated prosecutory-exculpatory disclosures made by a subset of the parties to a not insignificant event, probably not well-acquitted as a policing success on any account, on a suburban street?)

  383. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 11:04 am

    Stick it to the cops, I say. They obviously provoked this incident just to suit Abbott’s narrative.

  384. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 11:09 am

    “”They obviously provoked this incident just to suit Abbott’s narrative.””

    LOL……………………exactly

    .

  385. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 11:13 am

    The young man had agreed to meet with a Victorian police officer and a federal police agent outside Endeavour Hills police station in Melbourne’s southeast at about 7.45pm.

    The officers expected “an amicable discussion”, Commissioner

    In the real World people pull out of interviews at the last moment. If I was about to interview him ï’d be apprehending him ASAP

    Now your getting my point! Why didn’t the police arrest a “known terror suspect” … do they invite “known aboriginal thieves” to meetings OUTSIDE a police station?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Stick it to the cops, I say. They obviously provoked this incident just to suit Abbott’s narrative.

    sb, lose yer sarcasm and political agenda and look at the facts … (as they’ve been presented) …

    … what the fk were the three people involved doing … how can an 18 yo knife TWO TRAINED police officers … (whatever that teenager was a suspected of)?

  386. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 11:18 am

    This should interest, sb and Wally in their present state of preparedness …

    http://www.alternatewars.com/Bomb_Loading/Bomb_Guide.htm

  387. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 11:21 am

    Meanwhile the Islamic Council of Victoria are disappointed with the police because “the police have come out very clearly and almost have said it was the young man’s fault.”

    Oh, the Islamophobia of it all. Obviously the Islamic Council are concerned not to divide the Muslim community into ‘radicals’ and ‘moderates’ .

  388. September 24, 2014 11:22 am

    I love all the projective pants wetting… you should all get jobs as professional dot joining agenda attachers

    Facts
    18 YO male called into cop shop as a terror suspect
    Cops stabbed
    18 YO male shot dead

    that is all….. 🙄

    “”They obviously provoked this incident just to suit Abbott’s narrative.””

    In this case obliviously a catalyst

  389. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 11:38 am

    ‘Fuck me dead where does this convolution of bullshit end ?’

    Around here an unbiased post from the editor should settle the dust.

  390. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2014 11:38 am

    I’m sure we would all be much more relaxed if the media was reporting-

    ‘Terror suspect stabs to death 2 police, is still at large’

  391. Meta permalink
    September 24, 2014 11:43 am

    (G’luck with that

    “It means when they pull people up or speak to people, they are probably going to ask people to submit to pat-down searches much more regularly. “Our police are going to be noticeably alert and request people to be very compliant with their dealings with a lower tolerance to policing. “Any little thing might be a key to how someone is about to react in a potentially bad way and our police will be on guard for those signs.”

    …my full-name is, my D.O.B. is, my home address is, and that’s all the compliance there is; in this insouciant new world.)

  392. September 24, 2014 11:50 am

    “If you hate Abbott enough, reason is not a relevant criterion.”

    If you endorse Abbott enough, you’re liable to unquestioningly let him do whatever the fuck he likes; with minimal critical scrutiny.
    Especially if he has you trembling under the spectre of overhyped terror.

  393. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 11:50 am

    “”Facts
    18 YO male called into cop shop as a terror suspect
    Cops stabbed
    18 YO male shot dead””

    Fact : World a better place !

  394. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 11:51 am

    “how can an 18 yo knife TWO TRAINED police officers …”

    Dunno. Must be those filthy Jews what done it, eh?

    After all Islamic State was born of the union of Satan and a Jewess.

  395. September 24, 2014 11:58 am

    “Y’see narrow minded right whingers only see as far as the end of their noses …”

    Especially when they’re in blind panic mode, fixated on their latest boogeyman. They don’t seem able to step away and contemplate the bigger picture and how proposed curtailments of libertry may apply to things other than their latest boogeyman, into the future.

    But hey…squirt, squirt…we are under ATTACK …!!!

  396. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 12:04 pm

    “If you endorse Abbott enough”

    Not my style, is it? But neither is it to join in with the jeering leftists, blinded by their Abbottophobia.

  397. September 24, 2014 12:31 pm

    Fuck me dead where does this convolution of bullshit end ?

    I cant figure out if you’re

    (A) Head projectionist in Aboots cinema of fiction favourites showing his latest production of Fear and loathing in Australia

    (B) Standing on a soapbox crying holy in a fertiliser factory

    (C) Shaking uncontrollably under the couch paralysed by Tones Terror fear.

    In other news,, Brandis is trying bully his bill through senate, not forthcoming with important detail contained in a report.. Xenophon and Ludlam are measured and having no part of his bullshit…
    Brandis is trying to stifle debate. Considering the content of the bill and Brandis’s form this is very very important.
    Apparently Brandis calls himself a Libertarian he most certainly only apply’s that label when convenient because he acts like an apparatchik of a totalitarian regime… is he a commo?

  398. Meta permalink
    September 24, 2014 12:46 pm

    (Meanwhile, where it is ‘against God’ to yada yada yada…

    The Malaysian government, which has a history of authoritarian tactics, has stepped up its use of the British colonial-era sedition law since it lost the popular vote in elections last year. The Sedition Act outlaws speech that incites hatred of the government or racial hostility, but critics have said it is too vague and ripe for abuse.)

  399. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 1:42 pm

    ‘…but critics have said it is too vague and ripe for abuse.’

    Copy that.

  400. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 1:45 pm

    ‘(A) Head projectionist in Aboots cinema of fiction favourites showing his latest production of Fear and loathing in Australia’

    I’ll put my hand up for that job.

  401. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 1:50 pm

    Terror suspect stabs to death 2 police, is still at large’

    You lot are now so obsessed with terrorists that’s all you see … I don’t think anyone has actually read any of my comments … which primarily relate to strange application of police protocols in both state and federal jurisdictions … (eg if a known hoon was becoming worse would he/she be invited to a discussion in the police station car park?)

    (BTW, Wally, thanks for saying “oh you were right, TB” …)

    Would two trained police officers (who knew as much if not more about the terrorist threat be so complacent)? Or didn’t they take it seriously?

    … either something doesn’t ring true here or the two officers involved were very incompetent … and my experience with both feds and state police makes me believe the former …

  402. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2014 2:01 pm

    I’m quite ok with plenty of visible, show of strength policing**

    I’m not persuaded that expansion of their current powers is necessary.

    (**as a youth I had some unpleasant experiences with the police, I considered them corrupt facists, recruited from the unintelligent, bullying inclined demographic. I’m not entirely sure they’ve changed)

  403. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 2:05 pm

    Who knows, TB. Maybe the cops didn’t want to be called pantzwetters or they thought the talk of tewwawism was all hype.

  404. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 2:22 pm

    Something to reflect upon

    Political leaders love nothing more than when populations are put in fear of external threats. In that regard, these western leaders share exactly the same goal as ISIS: to terrorize their nation’s citizens by grossly exaggerating its power and reach. Any museum exhibit on the degradation of western behavior in the post-9/11 era would be well-advised to put Abbott’s full speech on the wall, as it illustrates the fear-mongering games and propagandistic tactics that have led to all of that.

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/22/australias-prime-minister-gives-master-class-exploiting-terrorism-fears-seize-new-powers/

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cartoon/2014/sep/22/first-dog-attack

  405. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 2:28 pm

    ‘Or didn’t they take it seriously?’

    Apparently not, thinking he was a typical young Australian male in need of a few harsh words, to bring him into line with the local justice system.

  406. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 2:38 pm

    “Something to reflect upon”

    That is some deeply retarded bullshit right there, Troll R.

    Firstly, this is also an internal threat. Secondly, governments actually have a goal of protecting their citizens. Personally, I would prefer they err on the side of caution. This does not mean that I support all of the proposed anti-terror laws. But I am not going get on board with a bunch of dumb jeering leftists so twisted with Abbottophobia that they long ago stopped making sense.

  407. Meta permalink
    September 24, 2014 2:40 pm

    (I’ll put my hand up for that job.

    Done. For you, we have a rerelease of an unmemorable trailer for a cult Alejandro Jodorowsky fillum about being infantilized and freemind-controlled from a cabin-in-the-woods, based on the classic Reginald Campbell book, ‘Poo Lorn Of The Hippos’.)

  408. September 24, 2014 2:50 pm

    WABBIT SEASON ! ! !

  409. September 24, 2014 2:55 pm

    SHOOT THE WABBIT ! ! !

  410. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 2:56 pm

    Abbottophobia is a debilitating disease, with varied symptoms, but a green slime is definitely something all cases have in common.

  411. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 3:23 pm

    … but a green slime is definitely something all cases have in common.

    The stuff out of his arse or out of his mouth its all the same shite …

    … and a totally different discussion that I have been attempting today …

  412. September 24, 2014 3:32 pm

    ”””You lot are now so obsessed with terrorists that’s all you see”””

    #TeabagPanic

    .

    ”””strange application of police protocols”””
    ”””invited to a discussion in the police station car park?)”””

    #yeah, something smells, if the plods had any reasonable evidence, the plods would `raid`, not invite for a `chat`, plods were on a fishing-trip and caught more than they bargained for, possibly been harassing `knife`-boy #teabags

  413. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 3:35 pm

    Firstly, this is also an internal threat.

    As is domestic violence. Bikies. Suicide (and Death By Police).

    C’mon all you Freedom Warriors who were so up in arms about having print media operate under the same regulations as broadcast media, where the fuck are ya’s NOW!

    I’ll bet bolt is right behind THIS drive to curtail freedoms

    Tim Wilson, what’s he been up too?

    crickets perhaps?

  414. public toilet permalink
    September 24, 2014 3:54 pm

    Yes, Bolt is right behind it.

    It dovetails neatly into his islamophobia, immigrationophobia & conservative penchant for knicker-squirting.

    Freedom guardian, not so much.

    He’s nothing, if not predictable.

  415. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2014 4:00 pm

    Certainly police raids of bikie houses have involved a similar ‘show of strength’.

    If someone’s history is violence, drug taking/dealing and being the bouncer at strip joints, I would have previously thought they’d be a bikie type.

    These days they’re likely to be religious zealots. Strange days indeed.

  416. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 4:10 pm

    I’ll be very interested to see the CCTV footage of the “incident” it was a police car park after all …

    I would have previously thought they’d be a bikie type.

    Wonder how many were invited to the local cop shop for a chat and then met in the car park by a fed and state officer …

    Strange days indeed alright …

    Now the Qld police are all afire …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/brisbane-cbd-shops-evacuated-part-of-george-street-closed-by-bomb-threat/story-fnii5v6w-1227068967746

  417. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 4:11 pm

    “yeah, something smells, if the plods had any reasonable evidence, the plods would `raid`, not invite for a `chat`, plods were on a fishing-trip and caught more than they bargained for, possibly been harassing `knife`-boy”

    What smells is the decrepit stupidity of the jeer squad. What you had here was a wannabe jihadist, who had been keeping bad company and mouthing off, invited in for an amicable chat. In fact he was the perfect example of his kind – a smile and a handshake with one hand and a knife behind his back in the other.

    It is a tragedy that the police were seriously injured and a sorry state of affairs that some malignant souls immediately jumped to the conclusion that the police were up to something fishy or were incompetent. The only upside of the episode is the dead dog.

  418. September 24, 2014 4:24 pm

    “I’m not persuaded that expansion of their current powers is necessary.”

    Salient point…

  419. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2014 4:28 pm

    Option 1. The police arrest the suspect.

    * Problem – on what evidence? Outcry about arresting an 18 year old (who’s just ‘bonding’)

    Option 2. Invite him to the police station for an informal chat.

    * Problem- police get stabbed, possibly because they met him in an unthreatening manner.

    Option 3. Don’t do anything that might unsettle religious nutcases.

    * Problem – doing nothing is negligent by police and governments if they have reason to suspect someone intends public harm.

    What exactly are the other options the police had?

  420. September 24, 2014 4:31 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/24/counter-terrorism-law-changes-unnecessary-say-top-criminal-lawyers

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/24/foreign-fighters-laws-passed-during-terror-hysteria-will-be-unjust-and-anti-democratic

    Unsurprisingly, I’d see the attempts to institute such measures as being just as opportunist & unnecessary if it was being undertaken by the ALP; who are giving tacit approval from Opposition anyway.

  421. September 24, 2014 4:38 pm

    “What exactly are the other options the police had?”

    1. Capsicum spray
    2. Taser
    3. Shoot him in the leg
    4. A stern warning

  422. September 24, 2014 4:38 pm

    Option 4. The atmosphere of hysterical foreboding is wound back a notch or ten. The police get on with their job, as in the past, using the same laws & powers which have been sufficient in dealing with criminals in the past.

    Option 5. Religious zealotry is banned & all religious zealots are confined to their places of fable indulgement worship.

    Option 6. The entire Australian population gets V-chipped so our benevolent governments (now & into the future) may decide whether or not we are being naughty or committing thought crimes.

  423. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2014 5:06 pm

    I think Bolt is being typically unbalanced on this issue. He really does seem intent on marginalising some groups.

    But when I see comments around on blogs that say the actual ‘terrorists’ are the government, it’s clear that his comments aren’t near the most ignorant or stupid.
    =========

    Re pepper spray & taser

    If some knife wielding nutcase is stabbing me in the chest, I’d prefer a gun to making his eyes run.

    Where’s the switch for this taser?!

  424. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 5:17 pm

    But when I see comments around on blogs that say the actual ‘terrorists’ are the government

    Personally, I think Dicktators is a more descriptive word for what they are.

    There will be more armed police in public and pat-downs will become more frequent as part of a new state of “reduced tolerance” for suspicious behaviour in Queensland.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-24/more-armed-police-and-pat-downs-in-queensland/5765094

  425. September 24, 2014 5:26 pm

    ” it’s clear that his comments aren’t near the most ignorant or stupid.”

    Mayhaps not, but have you checked out any of the hysterics in his comments threads? those who really do think that Allah’s Horde are about to achieve world domination.
    Bolt gives succour to unstable, ignorant fearsoilers; he always has. It’s his bread & butter. Current events leave him ejaculating all over the place.

    ” the actual ‘terrorists’ are the government”

    Our particular government don’t really undertake ‘State Terror’ in the way that some States are prone to do. Calling the government ‘terrorists’, especially in the wider contemporary sense of the word, is silly. But…they are absolutely milking the situation; as most governments would.
    Notice, I’m not saying they created ‘terrorism’, just that they’re exploiting it because it’s easy to convince people when they’re frightened & not thinking rationally.
    The domestic threat is being whipped into a frenzy which is totally disproportionate to its magnitude.

    You seem to have a reasonable compass for detecting political guile, YomM. Do you doubt that it’s not all being handled in a cynical, calculated way to maximise political capital (and, obviously, prevent domestic incidents)?

    I tend to think that it’s nigh on impossible to stop individuals from carrying out horrific crimes if they are motivated to do so.
    The type of overkill suggested as ‘security’ probably won’t help a lot to stop this…but it will mean decreased liberty for the law abiding majority in perpetuity.

  426. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 5:57 pm


    “(A) Head projectionist in Aboots cinema of fiction favourites showing his latest production of Fear and loathing in Australia’”

    Mmmmmmmmmmmm…………Lets see

    IS sends out a social media call to all Cell or Lone Wolf extremists to immediately carry out indiscriminate killings by any means possible without hesitation or further advice.

    Just hours later Lone Wolf extremist attempts exactly that and acts upon said call and answers request to attend a meeting with Police armed with a knife with intent to behead said Police and post photo/video of victims on social media.

    Lone Wolf stabs 2 police officers and is shot.

    Nah……..nothing to act upon there………lets move on

    Leftie Loonie Logic always dictates that unless you are a victim the threat is exagerated.

    How many do you Leftie Bleeding Hearts need in a bodycount before the threat is not exagerated ?

    Care to place a figure on it ?

  427. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:00 pm

    unstable, ignorant fearsoilers

    That’s fairly disrespectful term to apply to our parliament.

    Accurate though.

    <i<The domestic threat is being whipped into a frenzy which is totally disproportionate to its magnitude.

    And THAT is precisely what I am talking about. Of course, to some tewwawetterz, that means you are some kind of a supporter of tewwawism.

    Perhaps they think it is an easy way to silence dissent?

  428. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:03 pm

    Care to place a figure on it ?

    Considering that one woman a week being killed through domestic violence is not considered a “bigness” , I’m pretty sure no number will matter.

  429. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:11 pm

    So just another Look Over There comment from Troll Central

  430. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:20 pm

    I suggest that anyone who thinks they know what is happening in Iraq/Syria read this … and then tell me what they think they are dealing with … and what the answer is …

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/16/us-iraq-crisis-sunnis-insight-idUKKBN0HB0BD20140916

  431. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:22 pm

    So just another Look Over There comment from Troll Central

    That’s a “compliment” I take it?

    How’s the Budget doing with all this “additional panic spending”?

  432. September 24, 2014 6:23 pm

    “Perhaps they think it is an easy way to silence dissent?”

    Judging by their belligerence & servile acquiescence, I’d say yes.

  433. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:25 pm

    Lone Wolf stabs 2 police officers and is shot.

    You do realise that could actually be a factual statement … quite an accomplishnment in your high state of fear and wobbliness …

  434. September 24, 2014 6:27 pm

    ZOMFG!!! A stabbing!!!

    Obvious evidence that we are all under imminent threat of BEHEADING …coz some godbothering nutjobs in the desert , who incidentally spend their time threatening people all over the world, told a handful of nutjobs here to do ‘stuff’!!!

    Pass the nappies around and lock yourselves in your bomb shelters!!!

  435. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:31 pm

    told a handful of nutjobs here to do ‘stuff’!!!

    Lustily disseminated on the nightly news with accompanying graphics for those who may have missed the message, and various methods of rampage preferred by the said dessert crazies.

    FFS!

  436. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:32 pm

    “ZOMFG!!! A stabbing!!!”

    Tell it to the stabbed police officers and thier families you gutless turd.

  437. September 24, 2014 6:34 pm

    Seems worth repeating…

    I tend to think that it’s nigh on impossible to stop individuals from carrying out horrific crimes if they are motivated to do so.
    The type of overkill suggested as ‘security’ probably won’t help a lot to stop this…but it will mean decreased liberty for the law abiding majority in perpetuity.

    But hey, shitting ourselves rocks !!!

  438. September 24, 2014 6:35 pm

    Tell it to your psychiatrist you hysterical turd.

  439. September 24, 2014 6:35 pm

    He was 18. Clearly a tewowist thweat on a monumental scale…

  440. September 24, 2014 6:36 pm

    * gutless…because I’m not quaking in fear…is that a riddle of some kind or are you just trying emotive language to labour an irrelevant point?

  441. September 24, 2014 6:37 pm

    The families of the ‘dead dog’ don’t count, presumably.

    * jesus wept 🙄

  442. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:38 pm

    “I tend to think that it’s nigh on impossible to stop individuals from carrying out horrific crimes if they are motivated to do so.”

    When “individuals” are acting in concert with others holding similarly vile religious beliefs there are things we can do, people and organisations we can monitor.

    Or we can just join the jeer squad and mock everyone else.

  443. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:40 pm

    “The families of the ‘dead dog’ don’t count, presumably.”

    Your remarks weren’t directed at the dead dog – you were making light of the stabbing of decent men carrying out their duties. They were putting their lives on the line so jeering morons can live more safely. Go the jeer squad.

  444. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:45 pm

    Tell it to the stabbed police officers and thier families you gutless turd.

    You still don’t get it, sb …

    I for one feel for the families of any police officer injured or killed in the line of duty … they are in fact at more risk with different RoEs to military personnel … and I know the feelings of being part of the green machine …

    I also feel for the family of the teenager who was shot and killed … by police officers protecting themselves …

    All I’ve done today is “question” what went wrong with police protocol (RoEs if you will) … my son was here an hour ago and he too had similar questions as did his immediate work colleagues this morning – all ex servicemen who have served overseas …

    I was surprised he agreed with me … almost guarantees my assessment wasn’t politically motivated – (which it wasn’t despite the fogging) …

  445. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:54 pm

    I don’t know whether the police followed proper protocol so I’ll wait for more facts before commenting on that.

    In the meantime, in what warped world does that become the main talking-point? One day there is, apparently, no threat here, even though our security services say there is and Islamic Sate has asked its ‘lone wolves’ to strike. Next day two police officers are stabbed by wannabe jihadist. And the main topic of conversation is whether the cops followed the correct proocedure??

  446. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:58 pm

    Just saw the nightly Horror Movie.

    They claimed the guy who stabbed the police officers planned to decapitate them and wrap them in isil flag. This was presented as Fact, yet they didn’t elaborate on it, just stated it

    Then I saw this

    When Mr Haider was searched he was found to be carrying a larger knife and an Islamic State flag.

    Police believe the plan was to follow instructions from the international terror group Islamic State and behead the officers, cover the bodies in the flag and then take photos to post via the internet.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-terror-shooting-numan-haider-planned-to-behead-victoria-police-officers-drape-bodies-in-is-flag-20140924-10lb4i.html

    Instructions that has been broadcast and highlighted by the same Horror Movie that has now stated as Fact the supposition.

    It could happen without the mass marketing provided, but, with it, it is a foregone conclusion.

  447. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:01 pm

    “gutless…because I’m not quaking in fear…”

    Gutless because you pissed on the people you rely on to keep you safe. That addled moral pygmy Chomsky would have been so proud of you. The real hysteria here is from the jeer squad.

  448. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:03 pm

    “stated as Fact”

    You meanstated as “Police believe..”.?

  449. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:10 pm

    One day there is, apparently, no threat here, even though our security services say there is and Islamic Sate has asked its ‘lone wolves’ to strike. Next day two police officers are stabbed by wannabe jihadist.

    One day there is a massive campaign advertising for the Islamic Sate how it has asked its ‘lone wolves’ to strike (coupled with a heightened sense of fear and accompanying xenophobic outpourings against an already marginalized group). Next day two police officers are stabbed by wannabe jihadist.

    No, I can’t draw a line.

  450. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:15 pm

    You meanstated as “Police believe..”.?

    No, the news segment said in unequivical terms that was the plan.

    I was waiting to see a tweet or similar to confirm it, but, all I found out from a news site later was he had a knife and a flag. Of course, what he did was horrific. But, how far he would have gone is speculation at the moment. Of course, watches of the news wouldn’t know that.

  451. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:17 pm

    The point of my comment is that the fools who said there was no threat here would rather speculate on whether the cops followed protocol rather than question whether they had not been a tad blase. But the jeer squad is so fucked in the head that they still think this is all about Abbott.

    They can’t stand back and say “there might actually be an increased likelihood of an attack” and they can’t possibly give their hated political enemy any latitude for taking the advice of his security service. Go the jeer squad!

  452. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:22 pm

    “No, the news segment said in unequivocal terms that was the plan.”

    You may be right. I was just referring to the piece you quoted in support.

  453. September 24, 2014 7:23 pm

    ””””The domestic threat is being whipped into a frenzy which is totally disproportionate to its magnitude.””””’

    #correct, it is more `proportionate` to the popularity of recent teabag-budget

  454. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:35 pm

    I was just referring to the piece you quoted in support.

    I thought that was what you meant, so just wanted to clarify what I was saying.

    they can’t possibly give their hated political enemy any latitude for taking the advice of his security service.

    It’s the advice that is the issue. Apparently, because some crazies are acting crazier, we need to ALL be clamped down on, (for our own protection of course)

    What a crock of shit.

    It was wrong after 711, it is wrong now. There are better ways to deal with tewwa. After 711, this song meant so much. It should now too.

    Where the river runs to black
    I take the schoolbooks from your pack
    Plastics, wire and your kiss
    The breath of eternity on your lips

  455. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 7:56 pm

    ‘#correct, it is more `proportionate` to the popularity of recent teabag-budget’

    No that is an entirely different issue and you know it, Abbott will ultimately be judged on whether he can create economic progress before the next election.

    This undeclared war would have been won by then and of little concern for the voting population, whereas the hip pocket nerve ….

  456. September 24, 2014 8:01 pm

    “They can’t stand back and say “there might actually be an increased likelihood of an attack”

    Sounds a lot like the sentiment from Pro-Iraq Invaders, circa 2003ish.

    “Your remarks weren’t directed at the dead dog – you were making light of the stabbing of decent men carrying out their duties.”

    No, my comment was actually directed at the frequency of a type of crime. You do realise that 18yo muslim (squirt, squirt) teenagers aren’t the only criminals to stab people, right?

    None of which has anything to do with my bravery (of which you have not a clue).

  457. September 24, 2014 8:25 pm

    l notice `our` teabags are well immersed in mr-rabbits current episode of teabag-panic, a continuation (of-course) of johnW`s teabag-panic. Having surrendered all free-thought to team-teabag, they cannot distinguish the relationship between;

    1. idle hands and minds, ie no meaningful/accessible job, AND,

    2. being bastardised as the bogeyman, for political/media gain, AND,

    3. attraction to those offering (importance,acceptance,brotherhood,etc) even tho perverted/false

    (but then again, what would l know, l wasn`t wise enough to create an iraq wasteland suitable for terror-fearist occupation in the first place, #the-jeer-squad)

  458. September 24, 2014 8:36 pm

    ”””will ultimately be judged on whether he can”””

    bullshit dumpty, (get off your `all-fours`)

    mr-rabbit did all he could war-talk-wise on #mh17 to distract from `local` problems,

    conveniently goose-steps off to syria for same reason #teabags

  459. September 24, 2014 8:48 pm

    ”””””””I think Bolt is being typically unbalanced on this issue. He really does seem intent on marginalising some groups.””””””””’

    look harder, l`m sure you`ll find several `lone-wolf-packs` are being combed and fed from illegal onion slush-funds

  460. September 24, 2014 8:49 pm

    ” One day there is, apparently, no threat here, even though our security services say there is”

    I’ve never said that there is no threat.

    I’ve just claimed that whatever domestic threat there is is being overdramatised to the point of fear soiling amongst the easily impressionable.

    Go fear squad! Be alarmed!

    “Gutless because you pissed on the people you rely on to keep you safe.”

    That type of rubbish doesn’t sway me at all. It’s crap. I’m quite safe regardless.

    As for who’s being a hysteric, it wasn’t me applauding the death of a ‘dog’. Kinda tit for tat sentiment I’d expect from the extremists, I must say.

    Go Fear Squad!!!

  461. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:47 pm

    “Mayhaps not, but have you checked out any of the hysterics in his comments threads?”

    No, I don’t bother to read the comments. They’re mainly suckholes, but less articulate so there’s nothing to be gained.

  462. September 24, 2014 11:10 pm

    Utmost FEAR & SQUIRTING !!!

    We must be at DEFCON 1…freedomrenouncingloving Brandis reckons…”Certainly there has been no time since the cold war, or perhaps even no time including the cold war, when the domestic threat posed by those who would do us harm has been so immediate, so acute, so present in the minds of our people. ”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/24/george-brandis-claims-australia-faces-security-threat-greater-than-cold-war

    Isis is nuclear capable! I surrender, the fear squad was right all along. Panic seems like the appropriate submissive response!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON

  463. September 24, 2014 11:12 pm

    Did I mention that Brandis may be overstating the nature of the threat?…just a tad.

    Be alert, alarmed & wary of shadows.

  464. Meta permalink
    September 25, 2014 1:30 am

    (The ABC reports, Melbourne shooting: Abdul Numan Haider researched Tony Abbott’s travel plans.

    Well, Abdul, you just missed him: he had a brief stop-over in Kenya, and has since travelled on to Manna-hata, sometimes known as New Angoulême, or Tierra de Esteban Gómez, or Nieuw Amsterdam, or, more recently, New York, to further discuss principle.)

  465. Meta permalink
    September 25, 2014 2:25 am

    (Be alert, alarmed & wary of shadows.

    Nyet; unwanted and unwarranted physical contact is to be welcomed; apparently.)

  466. Meta permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:59 am

    (Did I mention that Brandis may be overstating the nature of the threat?

    Nyet, again; Senator Brandis is merely indicating the all-too-realistic scale of the posing, and the fuller extent of the intensive shift in enhanced unfreedoms being proposed in the momentum, and enacted by reluctant author(itarian)s.

    Still, that unwavering ‘patriotism above partisanship’ is said necessarily to trump both any (un)essential liberties and all counterveiling (in)expert advices, and associated commentaries from those jeering few who would seek to have those liberties, citizens’ liberties, remain unharmed, is a timely triumph for (liberal-)democracy, for the rule of law, and for melting icecreams, in the 21st Century.)

  467. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 6:55 am

    ‘mr-rabbit did all he could war-talk-wise on #mh17 to distract from `local` problems,
    conveniently goose-steps off to syria for same reason #teabags’

    Another symptom of Abbottophobia is that people afflicted have a blind spot.

  468. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 7:16 am

    ‘The 18-year-old Muslim extremist who was shot dead by police after he stabbed two officers had been researching Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s travel plans, it has been reported.’

    daily mail

  469. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 7:23 am

    This greatly misunderstood young Australian was carrying a much bigger knife to be used in a beheading ceremony or something. Just sayin…

  470. September 25, 2014 7:30 am

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Two 12 year old boys have been arrested on terrorism charges after AFP Officers found searches for “How to blow up the Opera House with stuff you can buy from Bunnings” on their internet search history.

    One boy’s mother allegedly told officers that he was such a nice boy but now deserves to be jailed for life.

    The Daily Rupert

  471. Meta permalink
    September 25, 2014 7:57 am

    (Another symptom of Abbottophobia is that people afflicted have a blind spot.

    True; for instance, I didn’t notice, in some mediated accounts, that alleged threats made against Tony Abbott had been vacated; that the initiating hand of friendship from a welcoming constabulary had been withdrawn; that the specific greeting order had been rearranged; that the expected amicability of discussions had been brought into sharper relief; and that some reason, and a much better reason at that, had been supplied for why officers having no inkling were ranging around in a carpark after dark with the epitome of pure evil. Nevertheless, I am still almost sure that the times of forensic officers and ongoing investigators and subsequent overall investigators, if any, are in all likelihood wasted now, given preemptive pronouncements by concerned politicians and the generisability of the profound notion that “police will be constantly vigilant to protect us against people who would do us harm”.)

  472. Meta permalink
    September 25, 2014 7:59 am

    (generalisability*)

  473. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:09 am

    the intensive shift in enhanced unfreedoms being proposed in the momentum

    Beautifully put Meta, as only you can 😉

  474. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:20 am

    ‘….why officers having no inkling were ranging around in a carpark after dark with the epitome of pure evil.’

    The evil one came into the foyer of the police station and after a casual chat he asked the AFP fella to join him outside because he had something to show.

    Pretty clear cut case of beheading intent.

  475. September 25, 2014 8:32 am

    “Pretty clear cut case of beheading intent.”

    Let the pantswetting begin!

  476. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:33 am

    Pretty clear cut case of beheading intent.

    You really are a fucking idiot, aren’t you?

    I also see that, after splashing around all day yesterday that he threatened the PM (when details of the incident show this was not the case), today’s headlines are that he was tracking the PM’s movements (someone “claims”)

    yes tony, it’s all about you.

    One wonders on the repercussions within this environment of a student throwing a meat sandwich at our dear leader? Would the media simply laugh and cajole over the sandwich contents as they have done in the past?

    Meanwhile, the libs continue in their attempts to silence dissent

    “If I was a terrorist recruiter I would take that program from Q&A and I would say ‘look at this, this is the typical opinion, this is the Australian Broadcasting Network, this is what they believe, this is all a government conspiracy out to target a particular group of the community’,” Mr Kelly said.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abcs-qa-could-be-used-as-islamic-state-propaganda-liberal-mp-craig-kelly-20140924-10l9qy.html#ixzz3EDdHe9GE

  477. September 25, 2014 8:59 am

    Cameron: I'm extremely sorry for saying Queen 'purred' over Scottish Independence vote http://t.co/gGMkBfQ4ZM (AP) pic.twitter.com/E6cbDmYr5T

    — Telegraph News (@TelegraphNews) September 24, 2014

  478. September 25, 2014 9:00 am

    “You really are a fucking idiot, aren’t you?”

    We didn’t really need any further proof but egg is determined to deliver.

    #thegiftthatkeepsongiving

  479. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 25, 2014 9:12 am

    The ‘only playing into their hands meme’ is crap. We should do what is necessary to kill off salafis everywhere, particularly those with a declared intent to attack Australia. The way to discourage the fuckers is to kill their kind wherever possible.

    The leftist ‘take it up the arse’ approach really doesn’t work and neither does the usual instant response to any terrorist attack – pantzwetting about Islamophobia.

    There is nothing wrong with alerting the public to an increased risk of attack. It happens all the time when their is a murderer on the loose. Sure, there will be thousands of spurious tip-offs but there will also be a few useful ones as well.

    And the Islamic Council of Victoria needs to to have re-think. It is no surprise that they thought it was wrong to distinguish between moderates and extremists or that they blamed the police not the wannabe jihadist.

    The fact is that the dead dog attended a mosque whose imam is a supporter of Islamic State. It is facile to say that Islamic State has nothing to do with true Islam, whatever that is. Muslims are enjoined to follow the example of their Prophet, a jumped-up warlord who sought to subject all countries to sharia law, approved slavery, especially sex slavery, condoned killing unbelievers, blasphemers and apostates, liked beheading people, hated Jews and enjoyed sex with a nine year old. Islamic State is merely living the dream.

    The real problem is that the left so hate Western civilisition they are happy to run interference for its enemies, no matter how depraved they are. They should have learned from the Iranian revolution where they supported Khomeni until he killed them all in short order once he took control.

    Go the jeer squad!

  480. Meta permalink
    September 25, 2014 9:21 am

    (Erm, the dog isn’t dead, he’s moonwalking: First Dog on the Moon on … Isis’ letter to the west.)

  481. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 9:23 am

    The way to discourage the fuckers is to kill their kind wherever possible.

    egg has a competitor vying for the title 😦

    There is nothing wrong with alerting the public to an increased risk of attack.

    I AGREE!

    It happens all the time when their is a murderer on the loose.

    I AGREE!

    Sure, there will be thousands of spurious tip-offs but there will also be a few useful ones as well.

    I AGREE!

    But, when you raid a dozen people with 800 officers and most of the countries media tagging along, try and make sure it is for something. And then, don’t try and link extended powers to further curtail peoples freedoms to said over-egged operation. It really looks pathetic and opportunist.

    Go the jeer squad!

    Is this directed at the media, the cops, or the pollies attempting to exploit a serious situation?

    I applauded it when howie did it after the Port Arthur massacre because the potential outcome was admirable and the repercussions minimal. But this potential outcome is terrible, and can only inflame an already volatile situation.

  482. Meta permalink
    September 25, 2014 10:01 am

    (It’s just treasonous lie upon lie at the ABC.)

  483. September 25, 2014 10:11 am

    Yes, because we are under far more threat from IS than Cold War Russia; according to the freedomrenouncerlover, Brandis…and not rejected by his fear soiling followers.

    unfknblvbl

    Jeering is all it deserves.

  484. September 25, 2014 10:15 am

    The pantswetterz tend to call anything but absolute alignment with fear soiling ‘treasonous’.

    I’ve noticed they get quite upset if you don’t join in the fear squad and its incontinence. Team Australia is about the mentality. Polarising dickheads.

  485. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 10:17 am

    ‘The real problem is that the left so hate Western civilisition they are happy to run interference for its enemies, no matter how depraved they are.’

    Yes, but the average lefty is standing shoulder to shoulder with Bill. Its only the green left who want to destroy Western civilisation.

  486. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 10:54 am

    These characters.

    https://www.greenleft.org.au/

  487. Meta permalink
    September 25, 2014 10:54 am

    (Its only the green left who want to destroy Western civilisation.

    Absolutely true; but, then again, there’s the oft-quoted vile dictum, “What do I think of Western civilization? I think it would be a very good idea”, to consider; nevertheless and everthemore, I shall meditate on the essential truth which your and other‘s wise words seem to suggest, while enjoying some calming music.)

  488. September 25, 2014 11:02 am

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/22/australias-prime-minister-gives-master-class-exploiting-terrorism-fears-seize-new-powers/

    “Despite all that, Australia’s political class is in the midst of an increasingly unhinged fear-mongering orgy over terrorism. The campaign has two prongs: ISIS (needless to say: it’s now an all-purpose, global source of fear-manufacturing), and the weekend arrest of 15 people on charges that they planned to behead an unknown, random individual based on exhortations from an Australian member of ISIS.

    The Australian government wasted no time at all exploiting this event to demand “broad new security powers to combat what it says is a rising threat from militant Islamists.” Even by the warped standards of the West’s 9/11 era liberty abridgments, these powers are extreme, including making it “a crime for an Australian citizen to travel to any area overseas once the government has declared it off limits.” Already pending in that country is a proposal by the attorney general to make it a criminal offense ”punishable by five years in jail for ‘any person who disclosed information relating to ‘special intelligence operations’”; the bill is clearly intended to outright criminalize WikiLeaks-and-Snowden-type reporting, and the government thus expressly refuses to exempt journalists.”

    In other words…’tewwow’, so shutup!

    Where are the free speech worriers whom were so aghast at the last Australian government’s attempts to curtail the NewsLtd monopoly? Do I even need to ask.

  489. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 11:02 am

    This new theatre is a measured response from a genuine coalition of the willing, to test weaponry chasing bandits in real time.

  490. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 11:08 am

    Go the jeer squad!

    You seem to be doing quite well in that department …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Toillette

    I much prefer to be a member of Team Terra Australis* (as opposed to Team Australia) and recognise that not all muslims are radical fuckwits … y’know, like radical christians represent all Christians and kiddy fiddlers represent all catliks …

    Observation this morn:

    I was on my walk a young lady with a headscarf scarf was waiting to cross the road … yahoo came past blowing his car horn and waving his finger at her like the wanker he was …

    … I just said “good morning” to her and got a pleasant, “how are you” and smile in return …

    (Try typing in muslim and then christian all lower case – interesting )

  491. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 11:18 am

    Headscarfs are attractive and inoffensive, but there will always be a minority who are offended. This is precisely why the government dropped the vilification thingy from the political agenda a short while ago.

  492. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2014 11:26 am

    “Where are the free speech worriers whom were so aghast at the last Australian government’s attempts to curtail the NewsLtd monopoly? ”

    Errrrrrrrrrrrrr……………………what monopoly would that be ?

    I think you will find Fairfax were also against said proposed Laws

  493. September 25, 2014 11:35 am

    So, the (former…now conveniently absent) free speech worriers were supporting Fairfax, were they? Even as the worrier du jour (Andrew myfreedomsarebeingtroddenupon Bolt) waged a daily war trying to discredit most every utterance by the ABC & Fairfax (and still does).

    Anyhow, that’s kinda beside the point, which is Where Are Those So Concerned With Press Freedom Now? *HINT- so scared by conflated tewwow that the current government (aided by the servile Opposition) can curtail the flow of information back to the plebs however it deems appropriate.

  494. September 25, 2014 11:38 am

    ” … yahoo came past blowing his car horn and waving his finger at her like the wanker he was … ”

    No prizes for guessing what’s got morons like him so hed up that they blindly vilify anyone who looks like a stereotype (even tentatively).

  495. September 25, 2014 11:41 am

    “I think you will find Fairfax were also against said proposed Laws”

    Anyone with a modicum of interest in attempting to stay informed, or have access to a diversity of information & opinion, should have been against proposed laws…then & now.

  496. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 11:57 am

    ‘…should have been against proposed laws…then & now.’

    Abbott also came to the same conclusion.

  497. September 25, 2014 12:09 pm

    This conclusion?…”the bill is clearly intended to outright criminalize WikiLeaks-and-Snowden-type reporting, and the government thus expressly refuses to exempt journalists.”

    Errr, then but not now.

    This time, all of the major pollies are in bed together, because they’re trying to ensure that anyone who tries to actually demonstrate to the mug punters what they’re actually doing behind the scenes (y’know, whistleblowing) will be crushed by suppression laws.

  498. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2014 12:23 pm

    As I said earlier, my personal reaction to the culture of parts of the Middle East is observing that there seems to be a level of simmering anger/frustration. That’s about life generally, it’s not simply directed to the west.

    If there is a culture where routine anger is normal, there will probably be more violence.

    Some people that settle here probably bring a residue of the angry culture with them. I’m not willing to blame this country for their continuing simmering anger/frustration/resentment. But we shouldn’t feed it.

    Given that Indonesian and Malaysian Muslims seem to lack the cultural anger, I can’t see that the religion is the root cause – that’s just the excuse.

    So…
    1. Heavy handed policing of all people inclined towards violence is fine with me
    2. This can continue under current laws and we shouldn’t give up ‘our freedoms’ by stealth
    3. Police these violent people in a similar way to those associated with the Russell St bombing or the gangsters that shot police in South Yarra 20 years ago

  499. September 25, 2014 12:29 pm

    I agree, YomM. Almost entirely…but, religion is what is giving the violent nutjobs their righteous license for violence.

    Am I to assume that you think that conflating the domestic (or even international, for that matter) threat as being worse than the Cold War is several miles way over the top? Especially when it’s pretty obvious hyperbole designed to negate any attempts at scrutinising or preventing the implementation of freedom-curtailing laws (which, if allowed, we will be stuck with ad infinitum).

  500. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 12:31 pm

    But we shouldn’t feed it.

    I AGREE!

    We should also perhaps look to both sides of a story before jumping to conclusions. Not that that is an excuse for anything, but the explanation might be different to what is being portrayed, for whatever reason. Compare the medias reaction to this brutal crime, as opposed the the brutal crime of a guy killing his family recently, and a guy shooting a parks officer on his farm recently.

    There is much “context” missing from all, just a chosen angle to push an agenda.

  501. September 25, 2014 12:33 pm

    “Given that Indonesian and Malaysian Muslims seem to lack the cultural anger, I can’t see that the religion is the root cause – that’s just the excuse.”

    Apart from the ones who bombed the Sari Club, in Bali?

    Thought I’d better get in first before splatter has to school you on the entire ‘vile religion’.

  502. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 1:09 pm

    I also agree with ToM.

  503. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 1:16 pm

    If there is a culture where routine anger is normal, there will probably be more violence.

    So the USA is a classic example , ToM?

    But we shouldn’t feed it.

    That’s the royal “we” or the Abbott “we” ?

    I agree with 1. 2. and 3. … but we do have (did have) sufficient laws to deal with any criminal act like the one that occurred yesterday – no matter what the cause …

  504. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2014 1:42 pm

    Indonesia has a population that is similar to the USA, over 10 times that of Australia. It’s bound to have a few violent nutcases, it’s the volume of people that is the cause not the religion.

    I’d say (but no link) that there are fewer nutcases (per capita) in Indonesia than here.

  505. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2014 2:22 pm

    Wow Wayne Swan is improving. He is only out by a factor of 2 which is a record improvement for Swan.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/budget-deficit-soars-to-485bn/story-fn59niix-1227070190882?nk=3b56f48f22327a1cd5f6aecabf75f735

    LABOR’S final budget produced a $48.5 billion deficit last financial year, $30 billion more than the deficit forecast by Treasury the government has revealed.

    Swan predicted the deficit would be $18B. The deficit is $9B bigger because of the loan to the RBA. But Swan is still out by only a factor of two. Only a small error for Swan.

  506. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:04 pm

    Some quick maths for the slow

  507. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:19 pm

    Tom R

    The budget forecast in May last year (2013) was for a $18B deficit.

    You will defend to the death the indefensible because you are dishonest (like Koukoulas).

    Of course if we go back further Swan forecast a $5B surplus for his last budget back in 2011.

    Here is a picture of Labors miserable forecasts.

  508. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:24 pm

    So Swans 2011 budget forecast a $5.4B surplus for the 2013 budget and it ended up being a $48B deficit which OK was inflated by $9B because of the loan to the RBA.

    Wayne Swan should be sent to prison for all his lies and false statements.

  509. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:33 pm

    This is pretty cool!

    Major Mariam Al Mansouri is the first female air force pilot from the United Arab Emirates.

    The 35-year-old commands a squadron of F-16 jets which led coordinated attacks on ISIS targets in Iraq in Syria this week conducted by the US and five other Arab nations.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/major-mariam-al-mansouri-trending-online-as-pictures-emerge-of-united-arab-emirates-female-fighter-pilot-leading-air-strikes/story-fn5tas5k-1227070117597

  510. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:37 pm

    I’d say (but no link) that there are fewer nutcases (per capita) in Indonesia than here

    Odd you should “say” that, ToM, I’ve never been there … but a colleague of mine who literally flew around the world (a number of times) to BHPB and associate mine-sites (he was BHPB’s Manager, Learning) once commented that he had only ever felt “unsafe/uncomfortable” overseas and that was in Indonesia … just sayin’

  511. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:40 pm

    Wow Wayne Swan is improving. He is only out by a factor of 2 which is a record improvement for Swan.

    LOL! And the right whingers here accuse TR of being a troll … chuckle …

  512. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:51 pm

    Try disputing the facts Kouk put up nil

  513. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:52 pm

    Chuckle about what??

    In 2011 Swan said the 2013 budget would have a $5.4B surplus.

    In 2008 Swan said there would be a $20B surplus the next year. It ended up being a $40B deficit. Of course the GFC had an impact but this means Swan did not see the GFC coming

    Swan never got any of his predictions close.

    He should be in prison for his lies.

    He is a master fraud like the people who voted for him.

  514. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:59 pm

    “Try disputing the facts Kouk put up nil

    The “facts” are in the picture i posted at 3.19PM. Just look at the miserable predictions by the master deceiver Mr Wayne SWAN of what the outcome would be for the 2013 budget.

    Look at the PEFO predictions.

    PEFO 2010 = surplus $4.5B for 2013

    Actual result = deficit $48B.

  515. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 4:05 pm

    More importantly.

    ‘The Reserve Bank is working with other regulators to crack down on risky lending to housing investors amid concerns they are intensifying soaring property prices in Sydney and Melbourne.

    ‘Australia’s central bank is worried that the fast-growing rate at which banks are lending to investors is out of proportion with rental demand.

    ‘This could have wider-ranging effects on the economy, the RBA warned in its twice-yearly Financial Stability Review.’

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  516. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 4:34 pm

    ‘The corridor at the Tashkurgan Tajik autonomous county in Kashgar prefecture, which was once a bustling trade route for merchants on the ancient Silk Road, is now being used by terrorists to get in and out of China.’

    China Daily

  517. September 25, 2014 5:19 pm

    ALERT! ALERT!

    A smattering of religious nutcases occupy high positions in Team Australia!

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/25/gender-selective-abortion-bill-could-restrict-overall-access-says-labor

  518. September 25, 2014 5:22 pm

    Hmmm…seeing as how no one’s commented on Brandis’ overbaked Cold War false analogy…I can either assume they’re too embarrassed to agree, or that tacit disapproval might acknowledge that the threat is being overhyped by those directly attempting to throttle domestic liberty.

  519. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 5:26 pm

    PEFO 2010 = surplus $4.5B for 2013

    Why not go with the PEFO from 2013? Why look all the way back to 2010?

    Cherry picking?

    Let’s look at 2012 then

    Why not look at the here and NOW

  520. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 5:31 pm

    Joe Hockey’s own Policy decisions responsible for 60% of the increase in the 2013/14 budget deficit- $48.5 Billion dollars.

  521. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2014 5:36 pm

    Hockey made his statements in Opposition based on figures available at the time.

    The 2010 PEFO said the budget would be in surplus by now.

    We are supposed to trust the PEFO’s are we not??

    Fact is Hockey was handed a mess. Labor supporters should be apologising for what they have done not giving lectures.

  522. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 5:44 pm

    In 2011 Swan said the 2013 budget would have a $5.4B surplus.

    Yer a FUCKWIT! for so many reasons:

    ✞ This thread is about ABBOTT not Swan

    ✞ This thread is not about Swan’s 2011 Budget predictions (based upon Treasury numbers)

    ✞ The ABBOTT government has been in “charge” for over 12 months now …

    ✞ The ABBOTT government has given $9 billion to the RBA

    ✞The ABBOTT government has spent an ADDITIONAL $ 12.4 billion on dodgy military aircraft

    ✞ The people in charge of the budget NOW are a LIBERAL NATIONAL PARTY COALITION

    ✞The ABBOTT LIBERAL Government has been spending money left right and centre on border protection, spies and cops, school chaplains and another fkn war! At the expense of the poor, sick, pensioners and young Australians …

    ✞ This thread is about TONY FUCKING ABBOTT not Swan … either move on, tell us about TONY, or FUCK OFF!

  523. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 5:48 pm

    We are supposed to trust the PEFO’s are we not??

    NO!

    IFact is Hockey was handed a mess. Labor supporters should be apologising for what they have done not giving lectures.

    Prove it … (I know its a silly question)

  524. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2014 5:57 pm

    ✞The ABBOTT government has spent an ADDITIONAL $ 12.4 billion on dodgy military aircraf”

    I think that is wrong. These aircraft plus lots of other new military equipment are in the budget estimates.

    beats me why you have no shame telling falsehoods.

  525. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 6:04 pm

    Hockey made his statements in Opposition based on figures available at the time.

    ROFL

    You understand that Swan made his statements in Government based on figures available at the time, don’t you?

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  526. September 25, 2014 6:18 pm

    TB I just pretend Sqweal and that other banished trolls advice.. they are dead to me, irrelevant, non existent…scroll over. Like walking over a stinking turd on the footpath.

    Abbott Addressing the UN Security council to which he was shreaking opposition to when Rudd rallied a position.. fucking hypocrisy

    It makes my skin crawl watching his bold face lies.. national disgrace,

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/unflinching-support-for-fight-against-terrorism-tony-abbott-addresses-the-un-security-council-20140925-3gj0g.html

  527. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2014 6:36 pm

    “You understand that Swan made his statements in Government based on figures available at the time, don’t you?”

    I think Swan being in govt had more information available to him than Hockey.

    Fact is Swan should be in prison for misleading the Australian people for so many years.

  528. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 6:40 pm

    ‘It makes my skin crawl …’

    Its another common symptom of the malady.

  529. September 25, 2014 7:27 pm

    As opposed to the symptomatic Abbott-sycophancy, I presume?

    That has telltale red flags too.

    All of which are exhibited by boxtrolls, on occasion.

    Critical thinkers aren’t them.

  530. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 7:49 pm

    I judge the government on their performance and cheer when they get it right. Abbott has many critics but I won’t be joining them, because the Conservatives should be in power for a decade as the Senate forces them to compromise.

  531. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 7:50 pm

    These aircraft plus lots of other new military equipment are in the budget estimates.

    But not in the BUDGET you dick!

    Fact is Swan should be in prison for misleading the Australian people for so many years.

    I know who … now its got me doing it …!!

    I think Swan being in govt had more information available to him than Hockey.

    Yer a dickhead, Kneel … ask Wally the monetary expert around here …

    Its another common symptom of the malady.

    How would you know yer a fkn egg!

  532. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 7:52 pm

    “How would you know yer a fkn egg!”

    Forgot … a shell protecting a joke with no brain …

    Honesty counts mightily with me, egg …

  533. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 7:54 pm

    Good.

  534. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 7:55 pm

    I judge the government on their performance and cheer when they get it right.

    Well you can’t have been doing much cheering … and if you have its just a demonstration of extremely poor “judgement” …

  535. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:00 pm

    There has been little to cheer about because he is doing the hard yards up front. Of course there was the slashing of a particular tax which gave me cheer.

  536. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:03 pm

    I think ………………..

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  537. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:21 pm

    “But not in the BUDGET you dick

    I think we pay for the F35’s when they arrive after 2020. And Labor would have purchased the same number. But we have been over this before.

    Lots of money being spent on the navy but it doesn’t bother lefties. So i conclude lefties like boats but do not like planes. And lefties also like submarines. We are going to be spending $20-$40B on replacement subs but lefties explode when we spend money on planes.

  538. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:25 pm

    I think ………………..

    (he said it again)

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  539. September 25, 2014 8:26 pm

    “Abbott has many critics but I won’t be joining them, because the Conservatives should be in power for a decade as the Senate forces them to compromise.”

    Ne’er has there been a better time to…GUFFAW!

    The most appropriate term is…useful idiot

  540. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:28 pm

    We are going to be spending $20-$40B on replacement subs but lefties explode when we spend money on planes.

    Here’s a thought for the thunker

    Where was the money on subs being spent when “lefties” were “liking” subs ❓ 😯

  541. September 25, 2014 8:29 pm

    In power for a decade.

    Not much comprehension of the Australian political cycle, apparently.

  542. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:33 pm

    ‘The most appropriate term is…useful idiot’

    So you imagine the Conservatives will be soundly beaten at the next election?

  543. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:34 pm

    The “facts” are in the picture i posted at 3.19PM

    I note you didn’t address what the Kouk put up at all, considering he wasn’t using PEFO guestimates from 3 years ago, but the most recent ones, which puts into even starker reality just how badly hockey has handled the budget.

    And contemplate this with your thunking

    In 2013-14, govt spending was a massive 25.6% of GDP; 2nd highest in last 2 decades, exceeded only by stimulus / GFC year 2009-10

    STOP THE WASTE was the cry. Then he went on the biggest spending spree since the GFC (which they complained about ever since)

  544. September 25, 2014 8:37 pm

    “So you imagine the Conservatives will be soundly beaten at the next election?”

    Can you think of a reason why they shouldn’t…?

    #justansweringyourusualtrollingquestionswithanotherquestion

  545. September 25, 2014 8:43 pm

    So egg how’s that old blog of yours coming along, you know the one that you promised us all that you’d be fucking off to sooner rather than later……?

  546. September 25, 2014 8:45 pm

    *seeing as how no one’s commented on Brandis’ overbaked Cold War false analogy…REDUX

    toiletbosswins!!!flawlessvictory!!!

  547. September 25, 2014 8:49 pm

    “So you imagine the Conservatives will be soundly beaten at the next election?”

    So, the next election is in a decade is it, arsehat?

  548. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:52 pm

    ‘So egg how’s that old blog of yours coming along’

    I had high hopes but the IT student on the ground floor got a job in Sydney and that’s that.

    Do yourself a favour and permanently ban me,

  549. September 25, 2014 9:18 pm

    That would be a decade prediction then, arsehat?

  550. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 25, 2014 10:31 pm

    “I note you didn’t address what the Kouk put up at all, considering he wasn’t using PEFO guestimates from 3 years ago, but the most recent ones,”

    Not sure what your point is. My point is that estimates have been unreliable for a long time. Hopefully under Hockey they will improve.

    But the problems the Coalition are having getting their budget through the Senate proves to me that what happened from 1996-2007 was unique.

    Now greedy Australians want this that or whatever and stuff the budget deficit. This country could not take another Labor govt for a long time. Labor cannot run budget surpluses because their supporters would not allow them.

  551. September 25, 2014 11:02 pm

    (For Certain; The terror-factory and its budget are explained clearly by 1st dog.)

  552. September 26, 2014 12:05 am

    ”””The ‘only playing into their hands meme’ is crap.”””

    #Disagree big-time.
    .

    ”””The leftist ‘take it up the arse’ approach”””

    #Ya`wrong here too.

    ______________

    #For egg-zample

    ”””Another symptom of Abbottophobia”””
    ______________

    #just shows your team-cheering based pantiewetting is not well thought thru, if at all.

    #l have noticed (and you dills clearly haven`t) is shortman and teabag-lite aren`t really putting-up much of a fight, l guess that`s coz they`re more than happy to let the teabags take all the heat for `rights-stripping` the voter/citizens, which will aid a future teabag-lite/shortmen govt. Then you dills will `really` do some pantiewetting.

    #Unlike you dills, l don`t trust either `team`, and is equally distrusting of the arse-hat duopoly. #teabags

  553. September 26, 2014 12:10 am

    beats me why you have no shame telling falsehoods.

    Now greedy Australians want this that or whatever and stuff the budget deficit.

    There has been little to cheer about because he is doing the hard yards up front. Of course there was the slashing of a particular tax which gave me cheer.

    I judge the government on their performance and cheer when they get it right. Abbott has many critics but I won’t be joining them, because the Conservatives should be in power for a decade as the Senate forces them to compromise.

    Its another common symptom of the malady.

    Like I said TB… they are dead to me 🙄

  554. September 26, 2014 12:19 am

    Seems like the Anti Libertarian’s Libertarian is too busy saving us from tewwa, restricting our rights, spying on us’m, taking away our freedom and legalising hatred to worry about the trivialities of his arts portfolio. He just chucked it all in one pot and thats that…

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/booksandartsdaily/new-funding-to-melba-recordings/5759468

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/04/05/my-cup-of-tea-millions-for-a-tiny-record-label-with-powerful-players/?wpmp_switcher=mobile

  555. September 26, 2014 12:36 am

    Arrogance Personified.. this grub cant last much longer in this portfolio, like Hokey he’s an abject failure.

  556. September 26, 2014 12:53 am

    We’re happty little vege-tewowz…as fear as squirt can be, we’re happy lil’ vege-soilers now come, I’m prostrate inve=ade me (and mibe)…,

  557. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 8:30 am

    Hopefully under Hockey they will improve.

    Well, he’s off to a shocking start, blowing it out by over $18 Billion in under a year. STOP THE WASTE 😆

    The ‘only playing into their hands meme’ is crap.

    Only up to the point where it is totally correct 😉

    shortman and teabag-lite aren`t really putting-up much of a fight,

    Of course not, they tried on similar (although no-where near as extreme) laws when they were in Government. tabot said No back then, cos, apparently, that’s what oppositions were required to do (back then that is). Most of us knew it was simply political expedience, and that even more draconian legislation would be put in by them when they got in. I understand that people claim Shorten is playing the small target, but both parties have been pushing for 1984 style surveillance powers. It’s just that one has an opposition that it can work with, whereas the other had an opposition that opposed because that’s just what it did. More stunning hypocrisy from the libs, and more of the same old from Labor.

  558. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 8:32 am

    Ricky, it’s an incredibly obnoxious thing to say, but it is largely correct (kind of why I’ve been ranting about it for years)

  559. September 26, 2014 8:36 am

    Good onya Scotty Boy..your not dumping refugee’s from our Gulags in a poor, corrupt country in a dodgy deal with no hope of work, education of a better life… you are “giving Cambodia a go”.. what a humanitarian you are…

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/scott-morrison-strikes-deal-with-clive-palmer-to-reintroduce-temporary-protection-visas-20140925-10lpui.html

  560. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 26, 2014 8:38 am

    “Well, he’s off to a shocking start, blowing it out by over $18 Billion in under a year. STOP THE WASTE

    The results just published are for Wayne Swans last budget. Swan predicted a $18B deficit and it was double that even when you take into account the $9B loan to the RBA.

    Hockey forecasts a $30B deficit for his May 2014 budget

  561. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 26, 2014 8:44 am

    ‘Can you think of a reason why they shouldn’t…?’

    Two years is a long time in politics ….. infrastructure bread and circuses should convince a majority of Australians to vote for the Coalition in the years ahead.

  562. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 9:14 am

    2013-14 Budget deficit $48.5 billion vs PEFO estimate of $30.1 billion.

    Just sayin’ nil 😉

  563. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 26, 2014 10:02 am

    What is your point? All it shows is how unreliable budget forecasts are.

    The biggest mistake was Wayne Swan who forecasted a $20B surplus for his first budget and it ended up being a $28B deficit- a $48B turn around.

    The results for Hockeys May 2014 budget will come out in September next year.

  564. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2014 10:06 am

    More stunning hypocrisy from the libs, and more of the same old from Labor.

    ‘Fraid so … I feel like I’m watching a sci-fi movie and about to walk into the screen …

    Seems the army is taking things seriously (there is still five “rocket launchers” missing) as the Blackhawk flew over at an earlier time and at four or five times the height of previous fly overs …

  565. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 10:11 am

    What is your point?

    The point is that, what you are calling swans last budget, has been (mis)managed by hockey for three quarters of the time, and, in that three quarters, he has blown it out by over $18 Billion

    It’s quite simple really. Not surprised you are having difficulty with it.

  566. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 26, 2014 10:15 am

    I am not sure the current govt can do much about Swans budget. I guess they could have had a mini- budget. They can obviously add to the budget like they did with the $9B loan to the reserve bank but i am not sure what powers they have to work with to change Swans budget.

    And only a fool would say it was Hockey who did the blowing out. Swan was never close with any of his forecasts. Surely you do not believe anything with Swans name on it?

  567. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2014 10:15 am

    “”…..as the Blackhawk flew over at an earlier time and at four or five times the height of previous fly overs …””

    Sounds like they now know where you live (Senate laws passed last night) and have got you targeted and are standing off the target waiting for you to venture into your backyard into their killing field…………………………..nice knowin’ ya

    Mind you their sniper will only need a 17th century musket to bring down such a slow moving target

  568. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 26, 2014 10:26 am

    “To people who don’t know where their next meal is coming from, talk of economic growth can seem ignorant or indulgent, but economic growth is really just economists’ shorthand for more jobs, higher pay, new industries, and the better life that only greater wealth can provide.”

    Tony Abbott

    And CC cannot be stopped, so its irrelevant and only given a cursory nod.

  569. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 12:19 pm

    I am not sure the current govt can do much about Swans budget.

    ✞ Don’t scrap the Carbon Price
    ✞ Don’t give away $9Billion to the Reserve bank
    ✞ Don’t give away generous superannuation tax breaks to just the wealthiest
    ✞ Don’t give away tax breaks for those with super balances over $2 millionnk
    ✞ Don’t give away tax breaks to large multinational corporations
    ✞ Don’t give away tax breaks for those who borrow to invest overseas
    ✞ Don’t give away savings from FBT rorts

    That’s quite a bit of not much, and it is not a complete list 😯

  570. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 26, 2014 1:41 pm

    Too Funny

    Comments from a supporter of a govt who could only funds things by borrowing money.

  571. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 1:45 pm

    Too Funny nil

  572. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 26, 2014 1:52 pm

    Even funnier

    Hand the incoming govt a mess and them blame them for the mess.

  573. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 26, 2014 2:17 pm

    ✞ Don’t scrap the Carbon Price
    That was always BS. There was never a justification for it. Makes no difference to the temperature. Should also scrap the RET.

    ✞ Don’t give away $9Billion to the Reserve Bank
    The ALP will never understand the virtues prudence. The RBA opposed the desperate ALP raid and did want the dividend to bolster its capital reserve.

    ✞ Don’t give away generous superannuation tax breaks to just the wealthiest
    Agreed

    ✞ Don’t give away tax breaks for those with super balances over $2 million
    Agreed

    ✞ Don’t give away tax breaks to large multinational corporations
    Not sure waht you mean by that?

    ✞ Don’t give away tax breaks for those who borrow to invest overseas
    Unless you also tax that overseas income

    ✞Don’t give away savings from FBT rorts
    Agreed

    Also, do something about negative gearing and don’t give CGT exemption on homes above $2m.

  574. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2014 2:30 pm

    Hand the incoming govt a mess and them blame them for the mess.</I?

    Knock knock!

    Gross govt debt update:
    As at today, $341.6 billion.

    Up $68.4 billion since the election.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Don’t scrap the Carbon Price
    That was always BS. There was never a justification for it. Makes no difference to the temperature. Should also scrap the RET.

    Yeah, that’s right … so I wonder why BHPB has just called for an international Carbon Price?

    Won’t bother with the other “opinions” …

    As you know I’ll listen to any government that wants to remove negative gearing, family trusts and post political perks … until then its just ideological BS …

  575. Neil of Sydney permalink
    September 26, 2014 2:34 pm

    “Gross govt debt update: As at today, $341.6 billion. Up $68.4 billion since the election.

    Lefties i meet on blogs say debt is not a problem.

    If it is a problem what is the solution?

  576. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 26, 2014 2:43 pm

    “I wonder why BHPB has just called for an international Carbon Price?”

    BHPB supported the abolition of the Carbon Tax, probably for the reason I stated. It can’t affect global temperature at all. It is an economically destructive tax that is incapable of achieving its objective.

  577. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 3:13 pm

    It is an economically destructive tax that is incapable of achieving its objective.

    It’s objective was to reduce Carbon Emissions

    New figures from the Australian Energy Market Operator show emissions from electricity generation have fallen since the carbon tax was introduced.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-18/emissions-drop-since-introduction-of-carbon-tax/4320956

    and then

    Carbon emissions from the electricity grid rose after the repeal of the carbon price, with analysts predicting further increases as coal-fired power takes a greater share of Australia’s energy mix.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/04/carbon-emissions-electricity-grid-rise-after-carbon-price-repeal

  578. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 3:14 pm

    Lefties i meet on blogs say debt is not a problem.

    “Lefties” weren’t rabbitting on about STOP THE WASTE!

  579. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2014 3:39 pm

    BHPB supported the abolition of the Carbon Tax, probably for the reason I stated. It can’t affect global temperature at all. It is an economically destructive tax that is incapable of achieving its objective.

    Perhaps you didn’t understand my comment …

    The world’s biggest miner has defended its support for the axing of the carbon tax despite publicly claiming to agree on the need for a carbon price. Earlier this week at the UN Climate Change summit in New York along with other corporates, BHP Billiton strongly backed an international carbon price.

    And in a more enlightened age … BHPB said …

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/bhp-boss-marius-kloppers-its-time-for-carbon-tax/story-e6frg8zx-1225924335319

  580. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2014 3:41 pm

    Link to blockquote above …

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-25/bhp-wants-an-international-price-on-carbon/5770318

  581. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 26, 2014 3:53 pm

    ‘It’s objective was to reduce Carbon Emissions’

    True, but ultimately it was to keep temperatures low and it has been successful.

  582. September 26, 2014 4:01 pm

    Impressive crucifix bullet points there splatter.

  583. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 4:12 pm

    Impressive crucifix bullet points there splatter.

    Shame about the comments 😆

  584. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2014 5:11 pm

    Impressive crucifix bullet points there splatter.

    Only he nicked ’em off my comment @

    TB Queensland September 25, 2014 5:44 pm

    As TomR did 😉

    And I meant them to be ironic … organised religions have been nicking stuff for ages tho’ …

    Or were you being sarcy, sreb? 🙂

  585. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 5:15 pm

    As TomR did

    I call it making use of “open source” techniques 😉

    ctrl+c ctrl+v

  586. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2014 5:18 pm

    I call it nickin’ the codes I searched for … :developer: 😛

  587. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2014 5:59 pm

    “It’s objective was to reduce Carbon Emissions”

    Wrong !

    Its objective was to reduce the temperature……………any stats on that handy ?

  588. Walrus permalink
    September 26, 2014 6:07 pm

    A bit quiet around here today.

    Obviously you are all in shock at the effectiveness of the Evil Mr Abbott in diverting attention from his “perceived Budget Problem” by barking orders from his VIP Jet to the USA and French and UAE to begin the air campaign over Iraq and Syria.

    All whilst stroking his pet white cat like the Evil Mr Abbott that we know he is

    Fancy him inciting IS to do all those videos and make all those threats and then the UN Security Council fell for it.

    Cant wait until next year to see what other World Crises he’ll think up.

    The spread of Ebola into Europe perhaps ?

    We should know by May

  589. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 26, 2014 6:58 pm

    ‘…any stats on that handy ?’

    Yes, temperatures have stabilised thanks to the heroic efforts of the international green left.

    I could show a graph, but its a bit alarming.

  590. TB Queensland permalink
    September 27, 2014 9:16 am

    A bit quiet around here today.

    I actually replied to that comment last night and lost the little bugger … and thought fk it why bother …

    Anyhoo …

    … you’ll have a free run next week, Wally …

    The Minister for War Water Finance and Fun and I celebrate 46 years of wedded bliss (cough) today …

    … we’re about to leave for a week’s island holiday … no internet – (not sure that’s good) …

    Now y’all play noice now …

    Have a good’un all …

  591. September 27, 2014 9:32 am

    Congratulations TB…!

    That means you’re old enough to be my dad. #Justsayin

  592. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2014 11:17 am

    Well what a disgusting display of islamaphobia we’ve recently had.

    I seems a very strange coincidence that the hysteria from the abbott govt, the coppers, ASIO, AFP and media all came together at the same time they wanted further powers over the sheeple, monitoring everything we say and do on the internet, control of protest/dissident behavior and people jailed and guilty before innocence proven. Even journalists can’t write anything they get from sources and whistleblowers are automatically criminals. The fact that this was made quietly bipartisan with no public debate in our supposedly democratic parliament is also disgraceful.
    ,
    Just give in to it, let them do what they want whenever they want, give them complete power over the entire country with impunity, absolutely no fear of scrutiny or accountability. No oversighting bodies or anything, that’s just not necessary at all. Trust them, they wouldn’t think of abusing and misusing all those powers.

    Of course everyone did as was expected and shit themselves in fear of the marauding hordes of muslims who are just waiting to behead us whenever we dare to walk in the streets. The barbarian monsters are amongst us and we must surrender all to the abbott govt and security forces to save us from being terrorised in our own country, as we quietly send off our troops to terrorise in another country.

    Budget, what budget?

    Just Don’t Mention The Wars: Australian Media’s Demonisation Of Muslims:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/26/just-dont-mention-wars-australian-medias-demonisation-muslims

  593. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2014 11:27 am

  594. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2014 11:53 am

    http://www.andrewelder.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/the-difference.html#comment-form

    …Tony Abbott has never been a champion of freedom. In Battlelines, in other utterances and publications, he has consistently said that freedom and security are opposites and that he supports more of the latter than the former. It is one of the few things he has been consistent about, one of the very few issues on which he can be trusted. Tony Abbott is ambivalent at best, and at worst hostile, to your freedoms. He wants a society where you beg him for indulgences and are pathetically grateful for whatever he might deign to dispense…

    …Our country has the wrong government. We have the wrong media reporting on its activities. Both of these things must change…

    Where’s all the freedommeisters, the ‘libertarians’ in all of this? Tim ‘freedom’ wilson and the IPA warriors. Even that libertarian politician leyonhjelm, representing anti government freedoms and anarchy for the wealthy only found himself stopping at torture in the legislation to quibble about!

    LDP blab:

    …The Liberal Democrats will ensure that governments are restricted as to what they can do and kept accountable through extensive checks and balances.

    Policy

    The Liberal Democrats support:

    · constitutional protection of private property

    · sunset clauses on legislation

    · bodies established to review and supervise government

    · protection for whistleblowers

    · freedom of information held by or on behalf of government and

    · the separation and division of powers.

    Freedom and Civil Liberties
    The Liberal Democrats believe that freedom is precious, that our freedom is not conferred by government, that government poses great risks to our freedom, and that the role of government is the defence of freedom.

    Obviously nothing that can’t be remembered when ‘negotiating’ for the nation’s freedoms 🙄

    · Freedom over one’s own body, beliefs, privacy and property.

  595. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2014 12:00 pm

    oops, that last freedom sentence should be above my own comment and in with the other LDP policies.

  596. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2014 12:07 pm

    https://twitter.com/awelder/status/515683175498932224

  597. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2014 12:17 pm

  598. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2014 1:24 pm

    …“It’s objective was to reduce Carbon Emissions”…

    Exactly right, reducing emissions [which is what it was doing] was the goal of pricing carbon.

    Australia on the Verge of Permitting Alarmingly Broad Internet Surveillance:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/09/26/new_australian_surveillance_legislation_dramatic_and_consistent_with_previous.html

    …pointed to Australia as a country with a more deliberate, and more consistently permissive, policy toward drones, surveillance drones included.

    Permissiveness toward drones, of course, is not equivalent to a law that allows a network of computers (better known as the Internet) to be searched with a single warrant. But Australia’s surveillance history suggests that the new legislation isn’t necessarily the “shift” for the sake of security that the Australian government suggests. It’s a more dramatic allowance of mass surveillance—and in keeping with previously pursued policy…

    The Repeal of Australia’s Carbon Tax Could Have Worldwide Ramifications:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/07/18/australia_s_carbon_tax_repeal_could_have_worldwide_ramifications.html

    …Australia, the industrial world’s biggest polluter per capita, was hailed as a leader on climate change action in 2011, when it passed a bill putting a price on carbon and requiring about 350 of its companies to pay a penalty for their greenhouse gas emissions…

    …And it looked like it was working—studies showed that there was 9 percent drop in emissions from electricity generators during the first six months of carbon pricing…

    …As someone who has to live in the quickly cooking world Abbott leaves behind, I can take small comfort in the fact that history will not be kind to Abbott and his ilk.

    With the majority of its population clinging to the coast of a country already marked by brutal drought, bushfires, and storms, Abbott should hope the Australian voters use the negligible savings generated by the carbon-tax repeal to buy a life-raft for when the waters inevitably rise…

  599. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 27, 2014 2:01 pm

    Kitty you may not have noticed that your lot have already stopped temperatures rising, its a bleeding miracle but too early to break out the bubbly.

    Sceptics will continue to argue that CO2 is still rising and your reply, the main station is on the top of a volcano and the data maybe dodgy.

    The way to reduce this anomaly is to create a lot more stations and homogenise the data, thereby getting the desired outcome… a reduction in carbon dioxide.

  600. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 27, 2014 9:45 pm

    Minerals Council should try fighting back with facts, not abuse:

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/minerals-council-should-try-fighting-back-with-facts-not-abuse-20140926-10mdr4.html#ixzz3EVgwn4HZ

    What good is making the world a safer place if there is nothing left for the next generations to enjoy. Courage and sacrifice by our forebears has left each generation of australians better off. It looks like we’ll be the only generation who, through selfish greed, leaves a legacy of unsustainable environmental destruction with an enormous debt burden of cleaning up after us.

    Abbott saving the world and killing the planet:
    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2014/09/27/abbott-saving-the-world-and-killing-the-planet/14117400001028#.VCaeO2eSySq

    “We are the first generation to feel the impact of climate change and the last generation that can do something about it.”

    …Labor says it’s time for Tony Abbott to wake up and listen to the rest of the world: climate change is happening and genuine action needs to confront it. Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says, “He can start by placing climate change on the agenda at the upcoming G20 leaders’ meeting in Brisbane and avoid being embarrassed by the world’s largest economies.”

    But shrouding the prime minister from any humiliation is the fog of war. Australia is now in anti-terrorism overdrive. The nation is panicked as its leaders urge us to get on with our normal lives. That glib exhortation shattered as Tony Abbott was dashing to New York for that other summit. A refuelling stopover in Hawaii saw him roll out his special TV backdrop and Australian flag to comment on the killing of a “terror suspect” in Melbourne…

  601. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 27, 2014 10:59 pm

    “We are the first generation to feel the impact of climate change and the last generation that can do something about it.”

    No and no.

  602. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 28, 2014 6:17 am

    ‘But if the overwhelming consensus of scientists on the need for urgent action to contain catastrophic climate change goes begging, nothing will save the planet.’

    That is simply not true, we have achieved our aim of stabilising the planet’s temperature, it has not risen in 17 years, so now it would be prudent to pull back on our political demands and try to avoid global cooling.

    You know our main interest has always been world revolution and its unfortunate Gaia won’t play, leaving us possibly clutching defeat from the jaws of victory.

  603. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 28, 2014 6:41 am

    ‘Special forces troops have been in the region identifying potential targets for weeks and will be asked to identify any areas where civilians are being used as human shields.

    ‘There are fears that IS will try to engineer large civilian casualities for propaganda purposes. More than 3,000 Yazidi women and hundreds of civilians are being held in Syria and Iraq by the group.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2771386/Britain-buys-20-Tomahawk-missiles-ready-strike-IS-1million-bombs-fired-submarines-programmed-turn-corners.html#ixzz3EYCiD7Pp
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  604. September 28, 2014 10:24 am

    ^^^^^^^
    Like I said Dead to me….
    May I suggest this one next time..

  605. Meta permalink
    September 28, 2014 12:14 pm

    (That’s a bit extreme; surely, it‘s never too early or too late to break out.)

  606. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 1:38 pm

    Thanks for that link meta
    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/refugee-deal-triggers-awkward-moment-for-scott-morrison-in-cambodia-20140926-10mux0.html

    I see that the govt abroad, continues to embarrass!

    totalitarians r us. The libs have really embraced their ‘uglies’ their nazi fascist faction. Let the good times roll!

  607. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 2:41 pm

    That is simply not true, we have achieved our aim of stabilising the planet’s temperature, it has not risen in 17 years, so now it would be prudent to pull back on our political demands and try to avoid global cooling…

    wilful, lying idiot, sorry but ‘genuine belief’ doesn’t cut it anymore, you are a deliberate liar, the question is…why?

    http://www.climatecouncil.org.au/the-pause-in-warming-myth-debunked

    ..The average rate of change over the long-term is the most important consideration for air temperature. The long-term trend is up.

    We are already seeing the effects of a changing climate. Sea levels are rising. Land surfaces are warming. Polar ice and glaciers are melting. The sea ice extent in the Arctic is decreasing much more rapidly than predicted. Air temperature is also increasing. And we’re seeing more and more long-standing records broken. This has been particularly dramatic in Australia. 2013 was Australia’s hottest year on record. Hundreds of temperature records were broken in the 2012/13 and the 2013/14 summers – these include Australia’s hottest ever day on 7 January 2013…

  608. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 28, 2014 3:04 pm

    That’s terrific Kitty, but can you produce a graph to support your assumption that temperatures have been rising this century?

  609. Meta permalink
    September 28, 2014 4:13 pm

    (Time to special-op-preventive-detain-with-supressed-suppression-order Tim Berners-Lee: “He called for an internet version of the Magna Carta, the 13th century English charter credited with guaranteeing basic rights and freedoms..”
    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/sep/28/tim-berners-lee-internet-bill-of-rights-greater-privacy)

  610. September 28, 2014 4:27 pm

    I do fuckwit

  611. Meta permalink
    September 28, 2014 4:57 pm

    (More on the the 39 Steps of Humanitarian Aid and discussions with Team Australia’s Presumptive Select…

    “That’s what we’ve been considering, that’s [why] we’ve pre-deployed aeroplanes and our special forces for that mission. And we are comfortable that it requires a legal framework from the Iraqi government, an invitation and consent from the Iraqi government.

    “Now Syria is another step, different considerations would apply. It would have to be a completely different discussion within the national security committee, within cabinet and presumably with the opposition.”

    —————————

    Oh, and for any intentional or incidental G21 attendees, designated no-go zones continue to expand, to better ensure that lawful protesters and/or members of the general public may better enjoy their rights: G20 summit: Authorities revise off-limit zones for leaders’ meeting.)

  612. egg permalink
    September 28, 2014 5:00 pm

    I’m not rejecting AGW out of hand, its post normal science and its being debated on the blogosphere.

  613. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 5:01 pm

    That’s terrific Kitty, but can you produce a graph to support your assumption that temperatures have been rising this century?

    You’ve been shown the info a thousand times before, stop asking for it as if you hold some new discovery from denier central.

    graphs galore:

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/does-global-warming-pause-mean-what-you-think.html

    …The same problem applies to the ‘pause’ (or ‘hiatus’ or better yet, ‘speed bump’) assertion. It’s true that the warming of average global surface temperatures has slowed over the past 15 years, but what does that mean? One key piece of information that’s usually omitted when discussing this subject is that the overall warming of the entire climate system has continued rapidly over the past 15 years, even faster than the 15 years before that.
    The speed bump only applies to surface temperatures, which only represent about 2 percent of the overall warming of the global climate.

    http://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-stopped-in-1998-intermediate.htm

    That’s all you’ll get from me, I’m not encouraging another epic jerk-off. Take it to the back room.

  614. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 28, 2014 5:19 pm

    Yeah

  615. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 28, 2014 5:33 pm

    We are living in the golden age of the internet. It is a public resource which can be used by all people to compare prices, start businesses and freely express their political views. However, it is viewed a threat by governments (the more repressive the government the bigger the threat). And it is a threat to big business as it provides the opportunity for greater competition. However, if large players can buy priority on the internet or otherwise get greater ownership or control of it they will be able to make greater profit.

    Even now, repressive regimes censor the internet and corporate interests seek to undermine it with attacks on net neutrality. In effect big business is demanding Enclosure Laws for the internet.

    Our present government has a supine approach to the demands of big business and this presents a serious threat to the internet.

  616. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 28, 2014 5:43 pm

    CO2 goes up but temperature flatlines – somenthing wrong with the theory.

  617. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 5:48 pm

    Yeah

    You must be joking! You show me an unidentified, unlinked source of …what?
    A little speck of 14 yrs duration of something, you cherry picking pickled ponce.
    You have failed basis climate science kindergarten and you’ve been told a thousand times about it – weather does not equal climate and short term trends do not equal climate. MISERABLE FAIL, talk about dense!

    I’m not rejecting AGW out of hand, its post normal science and its being debated on the blogosphere.

    Do you really think that your rejections or part-rejections even matter?

    The globe goes on warming with or without you.

    Hedging now? A bit like the ALEC organisation [major funder of climate denial – think cory bernardi/ALEC/IPA/Gina Rinehart/ANDEV/Channel 10/Bolt/Murdoch]

    ALEC tries to prove it’s not lying about climate change, fails miserably:
    http://www.salon.com/2014/09/26/alec_tries_to_proves_that_its_not_lying_about_climate_change_fails_miserably/

    …Monday, Google made waves — and kick-started an exodus — by cutting ties with the American Legislative Exchange Council. The reason, according to Google chairman Eric Schmidt? The free market lobbying group is “just literally lying” about climate change…

  618. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 6:01 pm

    Our present government has a supine approach to the demands of big business and this presents a serious threat to the internet.

    totally agree sb, murdoch wants it controlled as it’s a threat to his business model, the copyright industry wants it controlled, media and journalists hate it when ordinary people/bloggers tell it how it really is and show up the propagandists. Governments and politicians hate dissenting views and opinions that subvert their spin and blowing the whistle is verboten.

    The peoples internet must be controlled and censored, too dangerous to a capitalist controlled democracy.

  619. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 6:19 pm

    I suggest you both offer yourselves up for this Queensland Uni free research course-

    Denial101x

    https://www.edx.org/course/uqx/uqx-denial101x-making-sense-climate-4371#.VCfDt2eSySr

    …With every myth we debunk, you’ll learn the critical thinking needed to identify the fallacies associated with the myth. Finally, armed with all this knowledge, you’ll learn the psychology of misinformation. This will equip you to effectively respond to climate misinformation and debunk myths.

    This isn’t just a climate MOOC; it’s a MOOC about how people think about climate change…

  620. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 28, 2014 8:52 pm

    ‘Hedging now?’

    The Denialati is in disarray, while the Sceptics are better placed, they say this hiatus is similar to the 1947-76 period and you can see it in the Escalator graphic you put up.

    The Modern Climate Optimum might pick up steam within a decade and the heretics silenced, nobody knows.

    ‘….something wrong with the theory.’

    The models failed to predict the strength of negative feedbacks, but that doesn’t necessarily disprove AGW.

  621. September 28, 2014 9:22 pm

    Are you stupid or something…just fuck off

  622. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 28, 2014 9:44 pm

    Those days are over short arse, I’m employed elsewhere. You know, the old fashioned type of arrangement where the editor asks a reporter to physically go out on an assignment to discover raw data that has been purposely hidden.

    Dog willing I might even get a byline.

  623. September 29, 2014 8:47 am

  624. stellarnoche permalink
    October 1, 2014 8:50 pm

    Apologies reb, I put a couple of pics of paintings on the wrong thread … my bad.

    How about a dedicated “picture” thread from time to time. (It would take a while to load, so mobile users, for example, could choose to avoid it. Just suggestin’.)

  625. Turner permalink
    October 3, 2014 7:48 pm

  626. October 3, 2014 7:56 pm

    That’s a nice painting ToSY.

  627. public toilet permalink
    October 3, 2014 7:56 pm

    Dafuq?

  628. October 3, 2014 8:29 pm

  629. Turner permalink
    October 3, 2014 8:34 pm

    They say Turner painted this during the Mt Vesuvius eruption of 1839, hence the surreal skies.

    Plus, in colour theory, complementary colours – such as orange and blue – always make paintings appear more vibrant.

  630. October 3, 2014 8:38 pm

    I would never have picked you as someone interested in artistic pursuits ToSY (aside from your own fantabluous skills in photography), so it interests me that you have a keen interest in the arts.

    🙂

  631. Tony permalink
    October 3, 2014 8:48 pm

    I was a bit of a painter at school, reb, and have recently taken it up again.

    (When travelling, I spend a lot of time in art galleries.

    (And restaurants.)

    (And bars.)

  632. October 3, 2014 8:59 pm

    Good for you ToSY.. Your photography skills are amazing! I still have fond memories of those pics you took during your trip to Europe.

    I do hope that you’ll share your paintings with us…

    Art is so much more important than politics as far as I’m concerned…

    🙂

    Have I mentioned that the David Bowie IS Exhibtion is heading to Melbourne…?
    http://www.acmi.net.au/exhibitions/david-bowie-is-pre-sale/

  633. Thnx permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:08 pm

    Thanks reb, that means a lot.

    Really!

    I might just put up some pics of my paintings here. (If I can work out how to do it.)

    😉

    Don’t think I’ve mentioned my sister was a HUGE Bowie fan, which rubbed off on me, naturally.

  634. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:18 pm

    These days I tend to lean heavily on Photoshop.

    Do you paint in acrylics?

  635. Hawhaw permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:26 pm

    “Do you paint in acrylics?”

    Correct. 🙂

  636. October 3, 2014 9:30 pm

    No worries ToSY… 🙂

    I’m just a regular guy with substance abuse issues like the rest of us…

    Rumours of me being the messiah are grossly over exaggerated….

  637. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:34 pm

    I also use house paint.

    At the moment I’m doing a painting of a ‘hole in the wall’ coffee outlet, with people milling around. I’m having trouble with window reflections.

  638. October 3, 2014 9:34 pm

    I took the job.

    I packed my bags.

  639. Hawhaw permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:44 pm

    ” I’m having trouble with window reflections.”

    Just remember: If it’s light reflected on water, it should always be straight down, parallel to the side of the canvas. 😉

  640. Same same permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:47 pm

    “I’m just a regular guy with substance abuse issues like the rest of us…”

    Too right …

  641. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:48 pm

    I was a bit of a painter at school, reb, and have recently taken it up again.

    gawd, you are talented tony, I could have sworn it was vincent’s own work over on the other thread, Well done! 🙂
    The light and reflections on the turner are stunning too.

  642. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:55 pm

    Here’s me at work!

  643. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:56 pm

    Thanx I’ll keep that in mind. On this occasion its a muddy brown because of darkened interiors, but your colour wheel got me thinking about complimentary colours to dress up the characters and have them jump forward.

    So I’ll give that a go tomorrow, goodnight.

  644. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:56 pm

    Maybe this is..

    Here’s me at work!

  645. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 3, 2014 10:24 pm

    Couldn’t access your link tomM

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Sunbaker_maxdupain_nga76.54.jpg

  646. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 3, 2014 10:27 pm

    my hobby

  647. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2014 11:15 pm

    Here’s another photo of me, my other hobby!

  648. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 3, 2014 11:18 pm

    Max Dupain – an icon!!
    ———
    Try this AO, art restoration at its best!

  649. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 3, 2014 11:56 pm

    hahaha, love you surfing tomM, you’re in great shape!
    too big a mouthful for a shark!

    you might give tony a run for his money with the painting, didn’t know you were so talented 🙂

  650. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 8:49 am

    You’re too kind ao, those are Vincent’s paintings (I know you were only being serious 😉 ), although I have done my own versions to try and understand his techniques.

    Here are a couple of my own horse paintings in case anyone’s interested …

  651. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 8:57 am

    I’ve forgotten how to embed from twitpic, but here are their links anyway …

    http://twitpic.com/ecd024

    http://twitpic.com/ecd01j

  652. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 10:07 am

    If you’d pay this much for plane tickets, why don’t you have your own jet?

    View story at Medium.com

  653. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 10:08 am

    View story at Medium.com

  654. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 10:09 am

    (That’s funny, why aren’t the links appearing?)

  655. October 4, 2014 10:14 am
  656. October 4, 2014 10:19 am

    “How about a dedicated “picture” thread from time to time.”

    Great idea! Let’s do that!

    I thought those paintings you posted the other day were real Vincent Van Gogh ones!

  657. October 4, 2014 10:23 am

    Very nice video Ricky!

    What an incredibly talented bunch of people we have on this blog.

    And we also have egg.

  658. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 10:40 am

    Good one Ricky. 😉

    (Those were Van Goghs, reb. 😯 )

  659. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 4, 2014 10:40 am

    Yeah.

  660. October 4, 2014 10:46 am

    “Those were Van Goghs, reb”

    Oh ok, I take everything back in that case…. 😛

  661. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 10:55 am

    “Oh ok, I take everything back in that case….”

    That’s only fair … 😉

  662. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 4, 2014 11:21 am

    Your horse pics look pretty good to me tony. I like the one with the yellow splashes, I do like yellow horses 😉
    Well, I like it!
    Did you say it’s your own horse?
    Don’t tell toilet he hates them!

  663. public toilet permalink
    October 4, 2014 11:51 am

    I hate horses!

    True story.

    What’s.not to hate?

  664. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2014 11:56 am

    I’m a bit of a traditionalist when it comes depicting animals in art…

  665. public toilet permalink
    October 4, 2014 11:57 am

    Surf Coast is packed this morning.

    Exquisite weather, but swell is down a little on yesterday.

  666. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2014 12:00 pm

    I was thinking of popping down, but gardening awaits! Maybe tomorrow.

  667. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 12:01 pm

    I like riding them and betting on them. I don’t like the slow ones.

  668. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2014 12:02 pm

    From looking at Torquay, Winkipop would be my pick.

    http://www.swellnet.com/surfcams/torquay

  669. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 1:02 pm

    Thanks ao, not my horse though. 🙂

  670. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 4, 2014 1:18 pm

    Tony I solved the reflection problem with a mixture of antique white USA and umber to get a light chocolate colour, then splashed on some diluted umber for distant reflection. Its the opposite of what I imagined, but it seems to work.

  671. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2014 1:19 pm

    I think Tony is obviously quite a talented painter… but what’s the use of talent if you can’t commercialise it?

    Have you considered an original theme? “Horses playing cards”

  672. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 1:34 pm

    Why don’t you start up a twitpic account, eg, or the one Ricky uses, photobucket, and let us have a look at some of your pictures?

  673. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 1:35 pm

    “Horses playing cards”

    Good idea Tom, a sure-fire winner I’d say.

  674. public toilet permalink
    October 4, 2014 1:54 pm

    Yes, winkipop is busy.

  675. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2014 2:03 pm

    On the other hand, there are a variety of ways of portraying animals in art!!

  676. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 4, 2014 2:08 pm

    Lucky I’m (mainly) gardening then PT

  677. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 4, 2014 2:10 pm

    ‘…and let us have a look at some of your pictures?’

    Years ago Taylor invited me to do the same, but I knocked him back on the grounds that the cafe was a hostile environment. In this place I’m even more vulnerable, so its probably inadvisable.

  678. TB Queensland permalink
    October 4, 2014 4:24 pm

    WTF! I’m gone a week and everyone gets sloppy over artistic endeavours … I’m impressed!

    I agree with sreb, what a talented bunch play here …

    And this thread is still pissing along too … !

    Just how slow is it to pick up on a *smart* phone?

  679. public toilet permalink
    October 4, 2014 5:46 pm

    Very fucking slow…

  680. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 6:20 pm

    My try at a famous Dali. It has many many faults, but was fun to do …

    https://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/867314416.jpg?1412410085

  681. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 6:25 pm

    Better here ,,,

    http://twitpic.com/ecdk34

  682. Tony permalink
    October 4, 2014 6:29 pm

    I’ve noticed any threads with tweets on them are slow to load on the phone. Now that people are posting all these pesky pictures 😉 it’s compounded the problem.

    That’s why I seriously suggested a picture thread, that way we can choose to ignore them on our phones if we just want to quickly catch up on the news.

  683. public toilet permalink
    October 4, 2014 8:18 pm

    Especially horse pictues…!

  684. October 4, 2014 11:08 pm

    HDR photography HDR stop motion video and time lapse stop motion video

    Street of change

    Bronze Bruce1

    Church without a flock 4

  685. Tony permalink
    October 5, 2014 4:07 am

    The original …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Persistence_of_Memory

  686. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 5, 2014 12:25 pm

    Hwang Pyong So appears to be North Korea’s new leader, after so many years of oppression there is now a chance for unification.

    In other news …

    ‘Archaeologists in Spain claim they have found one of the world’s earliest known images of Jesus – and he doesn’t have a beard.

    ‘The figure is engraved on a glass plate dating back to the 4th Century AD, according to Spanish reports. He is flanked by two apostles, believed to be Peter and Paul.

    ‘The scene is striking because Jesus looks very different from later depictions – he has no beard, short, curly hair and is wearing what appears to be a philosopher’s toga.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2780928/Beardless-Jesus-unearthed-Spain-Image-Christ-4th-Century-plate-short-curly-hair-wearing-toga-sheds-new-light-appearance.html#ixzz3FEFpI9I5
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  687. TB Queensland permalink
    October 6, 2014 9:56 am

    ‘The scene is striking because Jesus looks very different from later depictions – he has no beard, short, curly hair and is wearing what appears to be a philosopher’s toga.’…. ‘The figure is engraved on a glass plate dating back to the 4th Century AD,

    Engraved by someone 400 years after the cwucificktion … GMAFB!

  688. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 6, 2014 11:00 am

    Myths are funny like that, the average person might think the Buddha was a fat arse, but was most likely as thin as a rake.

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