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Majority of Australians want the Burqua Banned!

September 24, 2014

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***AN EXCLUSIVE GUTTER TRASH EXCLUSIVE!!!***

Bogan Palmer United Party MP Jacquie Lambie calls for the burqua to be banned in Australia have met a receptive audience with a new poll showing that a clear majority of Australians want the controversial headgear to be banned from our shores.

Of the 1,328 Australians surveyed, 55.5 per cent didn’t think women should be allowed to wear a burqa in public – a 3.5 per cent increase from the same poll in 2010.

Those who thought it was “permissible” (44.5 per cent) were then asked whether women should be allowed to wear the burqa when giving evidence in court. For this question, 79.5 per cent answered ‘no’, down from 1.5 per cent since August 2010.

The poll also found that Liberal voters (70.5 per cent against) were strongly against women wearing burqas in public, while both ALP (44 per cent against) and Greens voters (20.5 per cent against) were more supportive.

Both men (57.5 per cent) and women (53 per cent) quite equally opposed the right for women to wear the burqa.

Older Australians were more likely to be opposed to the burqua while younger age groups were more receptive.

Nearly 70 per cent of Australians aged 18 to 24 said women should be allowed to wear the burqa. But that number decreased as age increased, with 65.5 per cent of people aged 50 to 64 voting no.

Across the nation, those in Western Australia were least in favour of the burqa (60.5 per cent against), along with 62 per cent of people living in regional areas.

 

 

 

 

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  1. September 24, 2014 4:46 pm

    Yes!

    Then let’s ban Catholic Priests fromkeeping crimes in confidence at the Confessional!

    Let’s fuck around with all of their stupid belief systems.

  2. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 24, 2014 5:17 pm

    Definitely a case for banning the face-covering niqab and similar attire in public.

  3. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 5:56 pm

    Let’s fuck around with all of their stupid belief systems.

    I AGREE!

    As for the burka, if a helmet isn’t allowed, a burka shouldn’t be allowed either.

  4. September 24, 2014 5:58 pm

    I think it should be banned. It’s inconsistent with Australian values.

  5. Walrus permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:01 pm

    The Koran does not require that Women wear the Burqa

  6. September 24, 2014 6:21 pm

    Jesus didn’t specifically endorse homophobia either.

    Depends which division of which sect of which fable club one inhabits.

  7. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:24 pm

    It’s inconsistent with Australian values.

    As are Safari Suits 😉

    #justsayin’

  8. Tom R permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:27 pm

    Jesus didn’t specifically endorse homophobia either.

    C’mon….. “Fishers of Men” 😉

  9. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:29 pm

    We all appear to be in agreement for once.

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:30 pm

    It’s inconsistent with Australian values.

    Could you expand on those please?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Koran does not require that Women wear the Burqa

    But the Bible requires that priests wear silly uniforms and hats? … and what about all that secondary smoke in churches from the smoke pot waved in your face? Surely that should be banned …

  11. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:32 pm

    We all appear to be in agreement for once.

    We … what fkn “we” …

  12. September 24, 2014 6:40 pm

    “We all appear to be in agreement for once.”

    Oh do go fuck yourself egg….

    Do you want another stint in moderation…??

  13. September 24, 2014 6:46 pm

    “Could you expand on those please?”

    Well I just don’t like seeing mobs of these women dressed in head to toe black sheets wandering the streets. It’s intimidating, and whether you think that it’s a sign of oppression or whether these Muslin women are quite happy to wear it willingly, I just feel that it’s an affront to our easy going and open way of life..

    When people conceal their identity behind a black veil then it’s a logical reaction that people are going to be suspicious of their motivation..

    Personally I don’t accept the argument that some muslin women enjoy wearing it. I think that just shows how indoctrinated they have become by their religion.

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    September 24, 2014 6:48 pm

    Thanks, sreb … I tend to agree with that (apart from the “intimidation” bit) … but especially they should not be allowed when giving evidence … 70% of NVCs are facial and verbal …

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 24, 2014 10:45 pm

    “Personally I don’t accept the argument that some muslin women enjoy wearing it. I think that just shows how indoctrinated they have become by their religion.

    That seems about right.

  16. September 24, 2014 11:57 pm

    l quite enjoy the `letterbox` model,

    and other peoples reaction to it. 🙂
    __________________

    ”””We all appear to be in agreement for once.”””
    WRONG.

  17. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:48 am

    Bedevere: But how do you *know* she is a witch?

  18. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 9:31 am

    WE ARE UNDER ATTACK! (check under ya’ beds)

  19. September 25, 2014 9:58 am

    Ban the Bogan Berka.. the Hoodie?

  20. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2014 10:10 am

    “But the Bible requires that priests wear silly uniforms and hats? … and what about all that secondary smoke in churches from the smoke pot waved in your face? Surely that should be banned …””

    But the ADF requires that servicemen and women wear silly uniforms and hats? … and what about all that secondary smoke in gunnery ranges from the smoke wafting from artillery fire straight in your face? Surely that should be banned …

  21. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2014 10:15 am

    “”Well I just don’t like seeing mobs of these women dressed in head to toe black sheets wandering the streets.””

    There are a number that actually drive in the open “Letterbox” version. How fucking dangerous would that be ?

    And if one of them runs up the back of your car how do you verify the licence to the driver. The cops don’t bother with small bingles

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 11:14 am

    Surely that should be banned …

    I agree, Wally … but you didn’t say anything about the girly priest and cardinal gear?

    So the girly gear is OK but soldiers should fight naked? Or not at all?

  23. Walrus permalink
    September 25, 2014 12:14 pm

    The intelligent and reasonable people here, like me , ToSY, Egg, Splatter and ToM would not have a problem with the hijab

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/qatar-forfeit-basketball-match-at-asian-games-in-hijab-row-20140924-10lmx3.html

  24. September 25, 2014 12:41 pm

    Well, a couple of those on your list are intelligent and reasonable…the others are just people who shine their cock in the same direction that you polish in.

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 1:08 pm

    … a couple …

    That many? 😆

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2014 1:38 pm

    Get real.

    Priests, cardinals, soldiers etc volunteer to dress up.

    Women who wear burquas are conscripts to the male domination cause. This attire is the symbol of oppression.

  27. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 25, 2014 1:52 pm

    ‘Well, a couple of those on your list are intelligent and reasonable…’

    **chuckle**

    Well played.

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    September 25, 2014 3:42 pm

    BS ToM … I didn’t volunteer at all … 😛

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2014 6:47 pm

    Well TB, I think it was just a week ago that you were arguing that there was effectively no difference between volunteers and conscripts.

    But if you want to argue that wearing a an army uniform is similar to women being required to wear a burqua as a sign of their subservience in a male dominated society… good luck with that!

  30. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 25, 2014 7:45 pm

    I told you they’re bikies!

    Look at this guy

    A BRISBANE man has been granted bail for allegedly holding money in a bank account to fund terrorist activity in Syria

    http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/terrorism-arrest-afp-nab-brisbane-man-robert-maestracci-for-allegedly-holding-money-to-fund-terrorist-activity-in-syria/story-fnii5v6w-1227070326195

  31. Tom R permalink
    September 25, 2014 8:11 pm

    Well, he’s obviously guilty then yomm. A Muslim Bikie. There is obviously no redemption for him. 😯

    I assume he will be given as fair a run as every other Muslim (or Muslim looking) individual these days with our “heightened sense of awareness”, with the media, pollies and police all joining in the jihad against common sense.

    It’s a sad affair all round, but the unfounded and speculative links police have made between Mr Haider and ISIS are troubling, and serve to only heighten media driven hysteria around homegrown terror threats and ‘random’ beheadings on the street.

    It’s obvious Mr Haider was harbouring violent intentions and may well have had mental health issues, but as they often do in these situations, its fair to say Police have put the horse before the cart in managing the flow of information to mainstream media.

    ……..

    But the panicked rush from authorities, the Prime Minister and the mainstream media to so before ‘the bare facts’ are apparent is wrong.

    It serves only to distance further a section of our society already teetering on the edge.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/25/victorian-police-quick-condemn-numan-haider-where-are-facts

  32. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 9:29 am

    Majority of the World wants jules ignored

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2014 9:55 am

    But if you want to argue that wearing a an army uniform …

    I was being sarcastic … origanally at Wally’s comment and then your sweeping statement re volunteering … but I suppose in these troubled times we must be vigilant to anything slightly humorous …*

    Seems being pedantic is a one sided affair with you …

    Well TB, I think it was just a week ago that you were arguing that there was effectively no difference between volunteers and conscripts.

    I was? I’m sure you can enlighten me with your database …

    I may have said being shot at there was no difference … or working together there was no difference … but there’s a fkn obvious difference between volunteering for and being press ganged by the government …

  34. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 9:56 am

    Well, looks like our gubmint just became a virus

    Thanks for nothing “metoo” bill

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    September 26, 2014 9:58 am

    originally … oops origina————————————————————– fkn hell that was quick officer!

    ASIO told you? Has that law been passed already!

  36. September 26, 2014 10:01 am

    Round one passed last night with out the amendment of what a “network” is defined as.. so one warrant .. not the rabbit hole but the whole middle earth.

  37. Tom R permalink
    September 26, 2014 10:13 am

    Labor a fucking scumbags for allowing this to go through unamended

    And now they also have workchoices by stealth. Well done “metoo” bill

  38. September 26, 2014 7:07 pm

    as canberra teabags remove citizen rights and freedoms from all citizens; coz maybe a handful of people will abuse those rights and freedoms; we can be reassured by the citizens of 1984 that rights and freedoms become much easier to defend when we don`t actually have them #teabags

  39. September 26, 2014 7:18 pm

    aimee would do much better understanding that asio firemen standby, ready to race across the interwebs to deal with dangerous and unruly websites in the usual fashion

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451

  40. Meta permalink
    September 28, 2014 9:43 am

    (Theoretically, with a more fundamental adherence to the tenets of bagism, objections to burqas and objections to berks, alike, might disappear from the face of the world.)

  41. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 10:13 am

    Budget, what budget!

    Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our Joe:
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/09/26/like-sands-through-the-hourglass-these-are-the-days-of-our-joe/

  42. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 10:42 am

    Here’s A Quick Recap Of All The Times Australia Treated Muslims Like Complete Garbage This Week
    Read more at http://junkee.com/heres-a-quick-recap-of-all-the-times-australia-treated-muslims-like-complete-garbage-this-week/42244#5wXAovjoSRu7wtrR.99

  43. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 10:49 am

    Abbott and Hockey’s debt and deficit disaster:
    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbott-and-hockeys-debt-and-deficit-disaster,6943

    …THE ABBOTT GOVERNMENT HAS ABANDONED all pre-election commitments to reduce the nation’s ‘skyrocketing debt’. Borrowings have increased dramatically since the last election…

    …Clearly, the actual outcome under the Coalition is a cool $24.36 billion more debt than forecast had Labor stayed on. Up 13.7%.

    Hockey has, of course, attempted to blame Labor:..

    …Hardly. Mr Hockey has had more than 42 weeks – and a clear mandate – to reverse anything ‘irresponsible’. Instead, wasteful spending has increased, including dubious travel for ministers and their entourages, costly royal visits and expensive politically-motivated royal commissions…

  44. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 28, 2014 11:50 am

    This is justifiable and its more a loan than increased debt.

    ‘The Federal Government has given the Reserve Bank of Australia a $8.8 billion one-off grant to help it manage future economic crises.

    ‘The money will be added to a fund used to offset the central bank’s exposure to risky financial assets.’

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2014 11:57 am

    There are reasonable limits to cultural tolerance, and the treatment of young or mature women as chattels is one of them.

    The “encouragement” by men of women to display symbols of subjugation, such as the burqua, may be another.

    A 14-YEAR-OLD girl has been saved from an arranged marriage after she and her uncle were stopped from boarding a flight to Lebanon, it’s been reported.
    THE teenager was intercepted at Sydney Airport on Friday after a joint investigation response team learned she was being taken overseas to wed, News Corp Australia reports.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/girl-saved-from-arranged-marriage-report/story-e6frfku9-1227072809888

  46. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 1:11 pm

    You won’t get me to disagree with anything in your link tomM, but the change has to come from the women themselves and it will happen over time, the same as generational changes have happened in the general australian community. If you try and force it by govt regulation they will dig in and demand the right to wear what they like, the same as the general population already has. You really do get into discrimination when you legislate what certain people can and cannot wear FGS.

    We had the same debates when the greek and italian migrants kept to arranged marriages, the women wore their black dresses and head scarves. They have had generational change now. Maybe some other cultures still have arranged marriages, indians, pakistanis still do and they try to force it on their women. There should not be any one race singled out, there should be a protection for all females to have the freedom to choose their own lives. Let’s get ASIO onto that issue.

    Should we have welfare check into the homes and lives of all young children on a regular basis to ensure they are not being mistreated. Personally, I’m all for that because there is so much abuse carried out by many families under the cover of privacy. Would you like them scrutinising your own family? Many fundy christian families are very controlling and intolerant of their children’s individuality and suppress their women, they make them dress ‘modestly’ and have long hair. Lots of sex abuse and incest in the community too, could we have those children protected from cultural ownership?
    A burqa might be considered an outward sign of female subjugation, but there’s plenty of subjugation of females in families without the obvious wearing of an outer symbol/garment.

    I’d like you to be fighting for all women everywhere, not only muslim ones.

    I didn’t like the aussie male going to the philippines or other asian countries to buy their brides and then treat them like chattels within their marriages. Hell, some australian men treat their women like chattels despite those outdated, patriarchal, victorian era laws having been removed and still think it OK to bash, abuse and kill them and their children.

    I find it confronting myself to see women in their letterbox burqa but when I reflect on it, it is not their problem how I feel or react, but mine, they are just going about their daily lives and business, like you and me. Just because it is ‘different’ to what I am used to, does it justify demands of “stop them wearing what I find uncomfortable?”
    The older generation does not like what young people of today wear, should we legislate bans on skimpy, sexy clothing because others are uncomfortable with modern fashion? What about the sexualisation and marketing of young women in this free market society which objectifies females towards being beauty based and sexually attractive which severely curtails their thinking, exploits them and encourages predatory sexual violence toward women?

    No Quid Pro Quo: Loophole Gifts For Profit Colleges Public Funds Without Scholarships
    By Max Chalmers
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/28/no-quid-pro-quo-loophole-gifts-profit-colleges-public-funds-without-scholarships

    …Abbott Government legislation will allow ‘for profit’ universities to access public higher education funding, but escape public scholarship requirements. Max Chalmers reports.

    A loophole in Christopher Pyne’s higher education legislation package will mean the majority of private providers – including ‘for profit’ institutions – will be exempt from contributing funds to a Commonwealth Scholarship Scheme, despite being given access to hundreds of millions of dollars in public funding.

    The Scheme is a key component of Pyne’s deregulation reforms and mandates that higher education providers use up to 20 per cent of new revenue to help fund scholarships for disadvantages students…

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 28, 2014 6:28 pm

    AO, I’m not suggesting that there should be a legislative or regulatory ban on the burqua. I don’t think his is the way to address the issue, but I’m also not sure of the best approach.

    The education approach is painfully slow, it’s not dissimilar to suggesting that we should “educate” employers about the benefits that will accrue to them by providing equal pay for women.

    I look at young kids with their burqua wearing mum at some shopping centres, I think – that little girl has only a few more years of being seen in public in clothes that they enjoy wearing. Within a few years those kids will be made to wear the head to toe cover.

    Leaving that subjugation in place for a generation or 2 makes me quite uncomfortable. It probably needs some campaigning from women’s groups and more vocal/overt public discussion.

  48. September 28, 2014 8:02 pm

    (For Certain Comrade;

    ””””””””””””””Yelena Serova will become Russia’s fourth woman in space this week when she heads to the international space station (ISS).

    However, Russian reporters at the pre launch press conference seemed more interested in how she would maintain her hair and her relationship with her 11 year-old daughter while she was away on board the ISS.
    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/news-features/female-russian-cosmonaut-slams-focus-on-her-hair-and-parenting-20140927-3grdw.html
    ”””””””””””””””””””””’

    Teabag-Media is a global problem that also infests the New-Ussr.)

  49. September 28, 2014 8:25 pm

    (For Certain;

    ”””””””””””””’Lambie quickly jumped on Bernardi’s bandwagon, claiming she would not allow anyone wearing a burqa into her office as a matter of security.
    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/the-trouble-with-jacqui-lambies-antiburqa-campaign-20140921-10k2iq.html
    ””””””””””””””

    # ex-military lambie is programmed to see danger and should refrain from bandwagon jumping. Whats bernadi`s excuse.? Bigotry.?

    ”””””””””””””””But rather than express contrition, Lambie doubled down on yesterday’s Insiders, claiming that she “knew” it was Kakar in the picture and that she purposely chose it because Kakar was a “bloody hero” who should be remembered.

    Sorry Senator Lambie, but I’m not buying it.””””””””””””

    #And teabag-media ends-up `handling` themselves, or being `handled` with sweet Ruby making-out she `knows` something she `absolutely` cannot, just as sweet Barrie did.)

  50. September 28, 2014 9:01 pm

    (For Certain; Lambie was bumbling on the Sharia-Law definition put to her by sweet Barrie in his attempt for a `gotcha`; however; sweet Barrie failed to realize Lambie did get her point out which is not missed by some of us.

    ””””To paraphrase Lambie on DIVIDED LOYALTY; we use Australian Law, those that want Sharia-Law can fcuk-off”””””’

    This was totally lost to sweet Barrie at the time;
    Yes l saw the Lambie insiders episode; Did you.?

    Keep in mind; parents for decades, world-wide with DIVIDED LOYALTY between their `nations-law` and devotion to their dog-club has allowed dog-clubs to reshuffle and relocate their pedo-priests.)

  51. September 28, 2014 9:29 pm

    ”””I’d like you to be fighting for all women everywhere”””

    that aint gonna happen, our teabags prefer to champion people be sub-servant to corporate whims at all levels, women being about `half` of those people,

    there will be no championing of womens work conditions and right to join an onion to pursue her work conditions by our tinfoil-cubicle teabag,

    likewise, there will be no championing of mens work conditions either; that allow a woman to `truly` choose to stay home and raise children, a `true` choice now denied many; tho he will promote loudly the `career-con` which doesn`t exist for most,

    and dog fcuken help`em if they become single and need welfare,

    #yay, go team-teabag #downward-envy reigns supreme

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 28, 2014 10:01 pm

    It probably needs some campaigning from women’s groups and more vocal/overt public discussion.

    Hopefully the muslim women will be included in those discussions.

    Why do males think that this is purely ‘women’s business’? Do you think it will go down better from women, doesn’t look so patriarchal, the very thing that you are liberating the women from?

    Would we start with “we don’t like you wearing the burqua, it offends us”

    i don’t think that it is “women’s groups” who have to do the campaigning. Women’s groups have for years campaigned for women to wear what they want, without fear of shaming and condemnation. Now you want them to campaign for women to not wear what they like?

    How about we make it illegal for anyone to be forced to wear a burqua? Have a hotline or something for girls to report the offence and also have community/school education programs. The law to be enforced by decent jail time. We made it illegal for FGM, why can’t we do it for the burqua?

    No-one has the right to demand what i should wear or not wear, I have the freedom to choose, why should that freedom be denied to muslim women?

    i think that an employer can demand that muslim women not wear the burqua and leave their face uncovered, in the same way they demand we should wear a representative uniform. To me, a professional appearance and manner and courtesy toward clients should outweigh any personal religious belief.

    You don’t like the burqua tomM, then don’t wear one!

    The burqa: reject the fake ‘feminism’ of the right:
    https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/45667

    …Some progressives and feminists may find “Burqa revolution” confronting because it portrays a woman demanding the right to wear a burqa — something commonly viewed as symbol of women’s subjugation.

    However, as a recent 2000-strong rally in western Sydney supporting the right to wear a burqa shows, for many Muslim women wearing a burqa, niqab or hijab is an affirmation of their identity and an act of protest against the prevailing Islamophobia.

    My artwork challenges the argument that banning the burqa can contribute to women’s liberation. Liberation is not something that can be imposed, but must be won through a process of self-determination.

    If you accept that the state has the right to ban the burqa, then you also accept that it has the right to force women to wear it — it’s the same logic! Either way, allowing the state to regulate what women wear takes away their agency…

    http://www.startupdaily.com.au/2014/06/feminism-islam-problems-applying-western-feminist-values-non-western-cultures/

  53. September 28, 2014 11:29 pm

    ”””””””””””””The revelations follow ongoing controversy over the awarding of a secret $60,000 scholarship to Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s daughter Frances, by private for profit college Whitehouse Institute of Design. Whitehouse’s website still advertises that it does not provide scholarships to students.””””””””””’

    # apparently $60k of kickbacks is not corruption. Would the onions get away with that.?

    .

    ”””””””””””A loophole in Christopher Pyne’s higher education legislation package will mean the majority of private providers – including ‘for profit’ institutions – will be exempt from contributing funds to a Commonwealth Scholarship Scheme, despite being given access to hundreds of millions of dollars in public funding.
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/28/no-quid-pro-quo-loophole-gifts-profit-colleges-public-funds-without-scholarships
    ””””””””””””’

    #corporate #for profit
    #access to hundreds of $millions sure is some kickback, our personal fluffer wouldn`t tolerate this if the onions were doing it and scream non-stop, but will remain as silent as a mouse for his corporate puppet-masters

  54. September 29, 2014 7:55 am

    The usual culprits top the list again this year: Rupert Murdoch’s Fox, Frank Lowy’s Westfield and the host of real estate trusts listed on the Australian Securities Exchange.

    These are our thoroughbreds of tax avoidance; the nation’s chief “leaners”, as opposed to its “lifters”, the ordinary tax-paying Australians, small businesses and big retailers who fork out their fair share.
    http://m.smh.com.au/business/ato-needs-to-man-up-on-tax-dodges-20140928-10n7f7.html

  55. September 29, 2014 7:58 am

    Wesfarmers managing director Richard Goyder has hit out at companies that don’t pay sufficient tax in Australia, and called on multinational corporations “to pay tax in the communities in which they operate”.

    Mr Goyder, chairman of the B20 summit of the world’s biggest corporations, says companies that avoid paying taxes will end up damaging their reputations, as community sentiment turns against the use of tax havens and profit shifting to avoid taxes.

    “I think the conversation will head from whether [tax avoidance] is legal to whether it is ethical, and I think that change in debate is right” said Mr Goyder.
    http://m.smh.com.au/business/wesfarmers-boss-hits-out-at-taxdodging-rivals-20140928-10n64r.html

  56. September 29, 2014 8:02 am

    Big business ‘shirks’ fair share of tax load

    Heath Aston, Georgia Wilkins September 29, 2014

    Almost a third of Australia’s largest companies are paying less than 10¢ in the dollar in corporate tax, a report that exposes a gaping hole in government revenues over the past decade shows.

    As Australia prepares to host world leaders at the G20 summit in Brisbane in November, where a global assault on tax avoidance will be discussed, the report found 84 per cent of Australia’s top 200 stockmarket-listed companies pay less than the 30 per cent company tax rate.

    Some, among them household names such as James Hardie, do not contribute a dollar to Australian coffers, it found.

    Tax minimisation by large companies far outweighs that of small- and medium-sized businesses and has a disproportionately large effect on eroding the tax base.

    ”Tackling corporate tax avoidance is an urgent priority; Australia does not have a spending problem, it has a revenue problem and it must be fixed,” says Who Pays for Our Common Wealth?, prepared by the union United Voice and the Tax Justice Network – a group of charities, unions and churches.

    The 90-page look at tax contributions of the S&P/ASX 200 between 2004 and last year claims up to $80 billion in tax was forgone in that period. That could all but wipe out the past two budget deficits.

    It details the widespread and growing use of subsidiaries in tax havens and so-called ”thin capitalisation”, where local entities are saddled with huge debts to reduce tax liabilities in Australia.

    Almost 60 per cent of the ASX 200 declare subsidiaries in tax havens. For example, global broadcaster 21st Century Fox has 117 and logistics group Toll Holdings 72 in low-tax jurisdictions.

    Nearly a third of companies have an average ”effective tax rate” of 10 per cent or less. James Hardie pays an effective rate of 0 per cent tax, Sydney Airport 2 per cent and Echo Entertainment – owner of

    Sydney’s Star casino – 5 per cent, the report found. It said many of the lowest-paying companies are real estate investment trusts, which pass some of the tax burden on to investors.

    Before its release on Wednesday, the Corporate Tax Association, which represents much of the ASX 200 on tax issues, dismissed the report, saying ”usually there are logical explanations for low effective company tax rates”.

    But the authors of the report said the scope of their research made it clear that ”tax minimisation practices of a minority of very large companies have a significant and disproportionate impact on Australia’s corporate tax revenue base”.

    David O’Byrne, national secretary of United Voice, said ”the corporate tax system is broken”.

    ”When 29 per cent of Australia’s largest listed companies are paying an effective tax rate of 10 per cent or less, it’s clear that the system is broken,” he said.

    ”In the last five years the proportion of total tax revenue from business shrank from 23 per cent to 19 per cent, while the proportion from individuals rose from 37 per cent to 39 per cent. Working people across the country are doing all the heavy-lifting because many of our biggest companies are shirking their responsibilities and it’s costing all of us billions of dollars a year.”

    The Tax Justice Network and United Voice will call for a parliamentary inquiry into the corporate tax take after briefing federal MPs.

    But they will face stiff resistance from the corporate world, which points to Australia’s place at second on the list of countries for company tax take to GDP ratio. Business leaders complain that foreign competitors pay far less in their home countries even though countries such as the US have a higher corporate tax rate, of 35 per cent.

    Corporate Tax Association executive director Frank Drenth said: ”Financial journalists and some civil society groups don’t have a great track record of analysing tax information from published accounts. Financial accounts were never specifically designed to facilitate a detailed analysis of a company’s tax performance.”

    He listed seven reasons why an effective tax rate can fall below 30 per cent, including taxed foreign income not being subject to additional Australian tax, tax offsets for expenditure on research and development, and restructures.

    The report, which was reviewed by tax and accounting lecturer Roman Lanis from the University of Technology, Sydney, does not allege illegal tax avoidance by any company – nor does Fairfax Media – but calls for greater transparency and a national debate on the system.

    The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development this month unveiled plans to tackle profit shifting and tax avoidance by multinational corporations. Australian companies will be forced to provide more transparency to the Tax Office from next year.

    The ATO declined to comment.

    A spokeswoman for James Hardie said its consolidated statement of cash flows showed it had paid $US495 million.

    But Michael Kobetsky, an adjunct professor at the Australian National University and fellow of the Taxation Institute of Australia, said it was unclear where that tax was paid because James Hardie was domiciled in the Netherlands and had subsidiaries in tax havens.

    ”We know they are not paying tax in Australia because their dividends to shareholders are completely unfranked,” he said.

    A Sydney Airport spokeswoman said: ”We comply with all Australian tax laws and pay taxes including payroll tax, stamp duties, fringe benefits tax, council rates, GST and other levies, as well as collecting GST on behalf of government.”

    A spokeswoman for Treasurer Joe Hockey said: ”Companies should pay tax where they earn the profits and that has been [Mr Hockey’s] agenda through G20 negotiations.”

    Fairfax Media’s estimated tax rate is 25 per cent, the report found. It has subsidiaries in Malaysia and Singapore.

    Labor assistant treasury spokesman Andrew Leigh said the data suggested that if all ASX 200 companies paid the full rate of company tax, the budget would gain about $8.4 billion more revenue a year.

    ”That is more than the total savings the government expects to make next year by unfair measures like slashing pensions, bringing in its GP tax and cutting programs for indigenous Australians.”
    http://m.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/big-business-shirks-fair-share-of-tax-load-20140928-3gtm2.html
    #full-post

  57. September 29, 2014 8:08 am

    ””””””’”Tackling corporate tax avoidance is an urgent priority; Australia does not have a spending problem, it has a revenue problem and it must be fixed,” says Who Pays for Our Common Wealth?, prepared by the union United Voice and the Tax Justice Network – a group of charities, unions and churches.”””””””

    #the 3-smh`s l just dropped show that;

    1. almost everything the canberra teabags tell us is a blatant lie, teabag-lite too,

    2. almost everything `our` teabags say is WRONG,

    3. almost everything the rest of us say is `unjust/unfair/biased` is correct

  58. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 29, 2014 10:53 am

    ”Tackling corporate tax avoidance is an urgent priority; Australia does not have a spending problem, it has a revenue problem…

    That’s been obvious for a long time. What can we expect when corporations decide and write government policies. When corporations sink big money into political donations but won’t pay the taxes imposed upon all other citizens, paying tax is for the mugs!

  59. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 29, 2014 11:27 am

    …# apparently $60k of kickbacks is not corruption. Would the onions get away with that.?…

    goodness me no, the onions would be in a RC and the clink so fast their heads would spin.

    Corporations like to show their appreciation and give gifts to their friends and their families, what’s so wrong with that? The gifters and the giftees can’t let everyone know about it or they would all want the same, it’s not a bottomless pit, money don’t grow on trees you leaners, it has to be strategically planted for the seeds to bloom.

    Anyway, don’t you know that the children of the wealthy always have greater merit and ability!

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 29, 2014 12:15 pm

    The most common myths about Muslim women and why they’re wrong:

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/the-most-common-myths-about-muslim-women-and-why-theyre-wrong-20140928-3gszu.html

    …Randa cautions that, “We are all subject to the influence of certain norms and expectations about how we dress, behave, express ourselves…I don’t think much of any of our decisions are completely ‘free’ whether we wear hijab or don’t, whether we are religious or not.”

    In other words, all of our choices are limited by the patriarchal society we live in. The perception that all Muslim women are subjugated is linked to the mistaken belief that the liberation of women in the west is complete. However, the idea that women’s bodies exist largely as sexual objects is just as entrenched in the west as it is Muslim societies, the difference is that Muslim women are called upon to conceal their sexuality whilst western women are encouraged to exploit it…

  61. Splatterbottom permalink
    September 29, 2014 1:50 pm

    How to excuse oppression: “I don’t think much of any of our decisions are completely ‘free’ whether we wear hijab or don’t, whether we are religious or not.”

    “In other words, all of our choices are limited by the patriarchal society world we live in.

    Leftism is the apotheosis of stupidity.

  62. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 29, 2014 6:17 pm

    Don’t mean to derail, I couldn’t find another place to post this hilarious item. Love chris graham’s work [not all that dissimilar to your own brand of #sarc & #snark reb 🙂 ]

    Tearful Christian Cries Foul At Fallout For Refusing To Bake Cake for Same-Sex Couple
    By Chris Graham

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/28/tearful-christian-cries-foul-fallout-refusing-bake-cake-same-sex-couple

    A hard-baking Christian couple, a ban on cakes for same-sex couples, an angry public backlash and a hard right Christian fightback. Only in America.

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 29, 2014 6:27 pm

    Since I’m on a tangent Who else has to LOL when they see the AAMI ads with the family sharing the bath. The mum comes in after dad and son have had baths “finished love?” she says to son. And the one with the son timidly washing the family dog in the bath with him. It cracks me up!

  64. September 29, 2014 6:35 pm

    “A hard-baking Christian couple, a ban on cakes for same-sex couples, an angry public backlash and a hard right Christian fightback”

    Aww… Poor them…. 🙂

  65. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 29, 2014 6:40 pm

    Facts The First Casualty In Team Australia’s Campaign Of Fear And Loathing:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/29/facts-first-casualty-team-australias-campaign-fear-and-loathing

    …In Foreign Policy, Rosa Brooks (riffing off Stephen Colbert) identifies something she calls ‘threatiness’.

    “Sometimes,” she says, “we cannot articulate why something is a threat, or offer evidence, but we still think it just feels, you know, threaty. We know it in our gut. And let me be clear: when there is enough threatiness floating around, America must take action.”

    Australian leaders have a nose for threatiness, too…

  66. September 29, 2014 6:53 pm

    ””””””””””The Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries has already publicly stated that the Klein’s committed a serious offence in refusing to serve the couple – Oregon laws specifically deny businesses the right to discriminate against people on the basis of their race, religious or sexual orientation.””””””””””””

    #the bigot bakers should have known this, as ANY-biz should known their national and state biz-Laws

    .

    ”””””””””’A ‘Christian baker’ who was forced to close her business after a wave of protests at her refusal to bake a wedding cake for a Lesbian couple has appeared at a right-wing Christian political rally, claiming she’s the one who was discriminated against.”””””””””””

    #and this stupidity will probably keep`em out of biz for good, which probably won`t be any great loss to the people or state of oregon, they`ll just have to move to topeka where bigots are appreciated,

    #at the end of the day it seems entirely dumb to me, that a biz would use bigotry to refuse itself biz and profit anyway #dumbfcuks #teabags

  67. backintime permalink
    September 29, 2014 8:16 pm

    Afghanistan women, pre-Taliban …

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2543902/Photos-just-free-women-Afghanistan-Taliban-rule.html

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 29, 2014 9:49 pm

    Yes, I’ve heard the argument that the burqua is “so liberating”

    I tend to think we should rely on the facts rather than the contortions of logic proposed by religious fanatics.

    For example – is there a country where women’s rights have made advances, at the same time that burqua wearing has become more common or enforced more rigidly?

  69. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 30, 2014 7:09 pm

    I tend to think we should rely on the facts rather than the contortions of logic proposed by religious fanatics.

    France and belgiam banned the burqa, within the article [linked below] there are links to research from those countries.

    France’s “Burqa Ban” Enforcing Not Solving Inequality
    http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/voices/france-s-burqa-ban-enforcing-not-solving-inequality

    These are facts from the European Court of Human Rights:
    http://theconversation.com/banning-the-burqa-is-not-the-answer-to-fears-about-public-safety-31628

    .The court commented that:

    … A State Party cannot invoke gender equality in order to ban a practice that is defended by women.

    The applicant in that case strongly asserted that wearing the face veil was her choice. That she, along with many other women, chose to wear the face covering as a sign of devotion and even empowerment.

    Even if some women are forced to wear the face veil, a ban is not the best solution. Banning the face veil will not result in oppressed women throwing off their veils and revelling in their new-found freedom. Instead, the more likely result is their exclusion from society as their oppressors force them to remain at home…

    …Rather than feeling uncomfortable when seeing a veiled woman, Australians should feel proud. Our society is tolerant and open-minded enough for a diverse range of religious beliefs and practices, which includes wearing the burqa and niqab…

  70. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 30, 2014 8:29 pm

    inane hall is not amused [comments]

    New Matilda’s 11 Step Essential Guide To Not Getting Killed By Muslim Terrorists:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/09/29/new-matildas-11-step-essential-guide-not-getting-killed-muslim-terrorists

  71. eggboxtroll permalink
    September 30, 2014 8:40 pm

    ‘Our society is tolerant and open-minded enough for a diverse range of religious beliefs and practices, which includes wearing the burqa and niqab…’

    A majority of Australians are not all that tolerant, the burqa is beyond the pale.

  72. headjob permalink
    September 30, 2014 8:51 pm

    Turkey, a country where 95% of the population are Muslims, banned the headscarf.

    Racists!

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    September 30, 2014 8:59 pm

    AO I’ve already pointed out that I’m not suggesting that we ban the burqua.

    …but just leaving it to a gradual evolution and hoping that subjugated women will find their own way out, it simply not good enough.

    I think there should be a community program with an “assert yourself” or “assert your rights” theme. It needn’t be only about the burqua and there could be a few variations – domestic violence, workplace bullying, breaking free of traditional subjugation.

    Sitting idly by and hoping that things will change in a generation or 2 isn’t acceptable (to me)

  74. armchair opinionator permalink
    September 30, 2014 10:11 pm

    It needn’t be only about the burqua and there could be a few variations – domestic violence, workplace bullying, breaking free of traditional subjugation.

    All of those needn’t be solely aimed at women, it’s men who are the perpetrators in nearly all cases – do they rate somewhere in this community education?

    Assert yourself into a fist is more likely.

    I tried to say previously, It’s a community problem, not just a female problem, men share this responsibility and burden, they are not observers.

  75. September 30, 2014 10:13 pm

    ”””hall is not amused [comments]”””’

    true believer l suppose, satiring the pantie wetting wouldn`t be ipa approved

  76. September 30, 2014 10:32 pm

    ”””it’s men who are the perpetrators in nearly all cases”””

    yeah sure, true. But as the `feminista` often get wrankled at women being lumped into one homogeanous group, instead of the multi-demographic groups women really are, (and yes, they are individuals too, shock, horror) the male perpetrators are male, but not all males are perpetrators, is the gay-male demographic perps.? all of them.? any of them.? l suspect none. What about single males like myself, that don`t know any muslims.? and don`t know any burka wearers.? Just how am l perpetrating anything.?

  77. September 30, 2014 10:40 pm

    ””””””””””””It’s a community problem, not just a female problem, men share this responsibility and burden”””””””””

    l see much of these non-problems being created during the JohnW-regime and amplified by simpleton-media and continued by team-imbecile, and to pass the `responsibility/blame` on the public just plain wrong, unless of course you`re lobbying for your right to free-hate-speech. #teabags

  78. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 1:22 am

    Turkey, a country where 95% of the population are Muslims, banned the headscarf.

    “…With a constitutional principle of official secularism, the Turkish government has traditionally banned women who wear headscarves from working in the public sector…”[your link, wiki]

    If you scroll upwards, you’ll find that I also advocate for a headscarf ban for the workplace not only in the public sector, I think personal religious views should take a back seat to the job.

    What about single males like myself, that don`t know any muslims.? and don`t know any burka wearers.? Just how am l perpetrating anything.?

    You are part of our society aren’t you, not an island to yourself?

    I’m not accusing every male of being a perpetrator, I was speaking generally. Although, it is obvious that female oppression as well as DV in the general community is being perpetrated overwhelmingly by males upon females, the stats tell us that and the incidence is under reported.
    We’ve come a long way, but it is still a patriarchal society male dominated world.

    Of course I’m not accusing all males of being the perpetrators, but clearly, it is male behaviour we are talking about and female subjugation [by force or voluntarily, through accepted cultural practice ]. That’s what tomM and i were discussing anyway and he doesn’t appear to be personally threatened by acknowledging the gender issues.

    Would it hurt terribly to suffer through a community educational program which might enlighten you about the issues but may not affect yourself personally?

  79. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 1, 2014 7:14 am

    The trouble with men is sex and testosterone, education is of little value in stemming the violence. Although intelligent men are more inclined to modify their behaviour its hard to suppress a natural function, that’s why dipsomania is so common amongst lusty males.

  80. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 1, 2014 7:26 am

    ‘Peta Credlin, the prime minister’s chief of staff and top adviser, has been revealed as another political voice in favour of banning the burqa.

    ‘Ms Credlin is believed to have revealed her sentiments – to ban the burqa in Parliament House for security reasons – to Liberal National George Christensen last week, another open supporter of the ban.’

    UK Mail

  81. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 9:44 am

    …The trouble with men is sex and testosterone, education is of little value in stemming the violence…

    To be honest, I prefer my simple, blanket solution to the problem.

    Ban all religion

    It stops the males from using religion as an excuse for their own behaviour.

  82. Walrus permalink
    October 1, 2014 9:50 am

    “”Ban all religion””

    And ban atheism………………………..no one should have freedom of thought.

  83. October 1, 2014 10:02 am

    “no one should have freedom of thought.””

    That’s what religion is all about is it not?

  84. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2014 10:39 am

    In the latest tabot brain fart, he has said Australians should “be aware but reassured”, while reminding us that there is an “apocalyptic death cult” (seems they’ve earnt the next badge) who wants ” to have heads on stakes”.

    Well, I for one am “reassured” 😉

  85. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 11:04 am

    well he certainly tries to reassure the public doesn’t he…in his own special way. What a statesman!

    On the general female subjugation theme, I found this article interesting and got a heavy dose of deja vu.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/hillary-clinton-presidency-would-spark-a-backlash-20140929-10neip.html#ixzz3EqlcDNno

    …If a female president is all but inevitable, so too is the cultural backlash that will follow her campaign and her victory. If Clinton runs, we can expect a repeat of the kind of misogyny, both overt and covert, that we saw during her 2008 run for the Democratic ticket. If she wins, we can expect that misogyny to persist, and to pervade not just the way the new president is assessed and discussed, but the way women everywhere are assessed and discussed. The backlash won’t be contained to political backbiting; it will find its way into how we talk about female business leaders, female athletes, female performers, and the women who cross our paths in our daily lives. I’m looking forward to our first female president. I’m not looking forward to the sexism that will be unleashed in the wake of her election…

    As i keep trying to remind, the burqa might be the outward sign of female oppression, but don’t think it’s confined to muslim culture. How can people look at ‘them’ without reflecting on our own patriarchal society.

  86. Walrus permalink
    October 1, 2014 11:21 am

    “”That’s what religion is all about is it not?””

    If that is so………….so is imposed atheism……………so what’s the point of banning it ?

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2014 11:46 am

    The burqua says – ‘you’re mine and only I can look at you’

    It’s a step beyond the male domination in our culture/experience.

  88. Tom R permalink
    October 1, 2014 12:00 pm

    It’s a step beyond the male domination in our culture/experience.

    But should we attend to the male domination in our culture/experience? before legislating against someone elses?

    Or address them both in the same fashion, with understanding and education?

  89. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 12:00 pm

    If that is so………….so is imposed atheism……………so what’s the point of banning it ?

    are you really, really, saying that freedom of thought is a bad thing wally?

    imposed atheism? since atheism is not a religion, what exactly is being imposed, nothing? freedom of thought? gosh, can’t get more oppressive than that, people using reason and logic to work their lives out!

  90. Walrus permalink
    October 1, 2014 12:02 pm

    “…………are you really, really, saying that freedom of thought is a bad thing wally?”

    Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr…………………….No that was what you wanted by banning Religion

  91. October 1, 2014 12:07 pm

    “only I can look at you”

    Yes, I think that’s what freaks me out about them…

    I can look at you and see who you are. But I am denying you that “right” in return.

    IT’S UNAUSTRALIAN!

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 12:08 pm

    The burqua says – ‘you’re mine and only I can look at you’

    So does a bashing from a jealous partner in DV

    It’s a step beyond the male domination in our culture/experience.

    Really? It’s all around us, it is our culture.

  93. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 12:15 pm

    …Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr…………………….No that was what you wanted by banning Religion…

    Are you really, really, saying that religion is thinking? 🙂

    …I can look at you and see who you are. But I am denying you that “right” in return.

    IT’S UNAUSTRALIAN!…

    Oh, the power they have!

    One minute they are completely oppressed, the next they hold so much power over us through their dress, that they terrify and must be stripped of their clothing!

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2014 12:18 pm

    If it was the culture that men also cover themselves, you wouldn’t hear from me about the burqua.

    I’d take the view that it is simply their way. But it is a limitation/restriction that is only placed on women, and it is so that they can be regarded as a personal possession.

    Just waiting for subjugated women to assert themselves is an inadequate approach.

    …and as I’ve said in the past, I’m quite happy for men who commit violence against women to be locked up, then to wear tracking devices for a decade.

  95. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 12:20 pm

    It’s a step beyond the male domination in our culture/experience.

    We only accept domination of women our way, by overt and covert systemic and domestic oppression, can’t tolerate it openly. That’s too confronting!

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 12:29 pm

    …and as I’ve said in the past, I’m quite happy for men who commit violence against women to be locked up, then to wear tracking devices for a decade.

    me too, and I’m happy for men who force women to wear the burqa to be locked up.

    now, how about equal pay and advancement for women in this ‘free’ society, how about working on making it safe for women to walk the streets.

  97. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 1, 2014 2:01 pm

    ‘….and I’m happy for men who force women to wear the burqa to be locked up.’

    What about those women who wear burqa through personal choice and not because of male oppression?

  98. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 2:26 pm

    It’s a free country isn’t it? [not really, but some think it is!]
    We are all allowed to wear what we want.
    Why do you think muslim women should not have the same free clothing choice as the rest of us?

  99. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 1, 2014 2:29 pm

    “I’m happy for men who force women to wear the burqa to be locked up.”

    Agreed. Also it is time to denounce the the rancid religious belief system that enables this sort of systemic oppression. Or maybe that would be too much like Islamophobia for the leftist-Islamofascist alliance to even contemplate.

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2014 2:53 pm

    “Why do you think muslim women should not have the same free clothing choice as the rest of us?

    And if it was any other religion would you be saying the same thing.

    Why do leftists like Islam??

  101. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 1, 2014 2:59 pm

    “Why do leftists like Islam??”

    They both hate the West with a paasion. My enemy’s enemy is my friend.

  102. Meta permalink
    October 1, 2014 3:24 pm

    Farewell, friends! The sails are set,
    the wind is east, the moorings fret.
    Shadows long before me lie,
    beneath the ever-bending sky,
    but islands lie behind the Sun
    that I shall raise ere all is done;
    lands there are to west of West,
    where night is quiet and sleep is rest.

  103. October 1, 2014 3:25 pm

    Why do leftists like Islam??

    The same assertion would have one of superior enlightened intellect to ponder why are trolls so immorally racist?

    Sqweel is quite tiresome bore , if like Egg he is trying to bait people to get a cheap thrill at least put some meat on the hook.

    #justsayinisall
    #scrollovertrollturds

  104. October 1, 2014 3:27 pm

    Nice Meta 🙂

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2014 3:56 pm

    I think Abbott is a dill for objecting to the burqua because he finds it ‘confronting’

    A Prime Minister shouldn’t base their orientation on their personal comfort level.

    The rational objection to the burqua is lost if it is just because it doesn’t represent the PM’s preferred attire. Rational objection is because of what it represents- suppression of women and treating them as chattels.

  106. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 1, 2014 4:08 pm

    “They both hate the West with a paasion. My enemy’s enemy is my friend.

    It is a sad thing to say but i think you are right. Anything bad for Australia leftists seem to like.

    It is why i am so one sided. There is almost nothing a leftist says i agree with.

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 4:15 pm

    Sqweel is quite tiresome bore , if like Egg he is trying to bait people to get a cheap thrill at least put some meat on the hook.

    I just ignore the kneel earworm, he has nothing to offer any meaningful debate, point scoring and idiotic rants just don’t cut it, not worth the time taken to read him.

    Rational objection is because of what it represents- suppression of women and treating them as chattels.

    As if abbott who has the same belief system is going anywhere near that!

  108. Meta permalink
    October 1, 2014 4:21 pm

    (Erm, I think someone might mean ‘it is why i am so one-dimensional’, if they’re still trying to make some kind of point.)

  109. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 1, 2014 4:23 pm

    “As if abbott who has the same belief system is going anywhere near that!” = “nothing to offer any meaningful debate, point scoring and idiotic rants”

  110. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 4:28 pm

    Rational objection is because of what it represents- suppression of women and treating them as chattels.

    He can’t walk two sides of the street at the same time.

    can’t be a warmonger on terror, constantly saying “it’s not about religion” and then spruik for a ban on a religious expression, their burqa.

    He’s doing his usual abbotting doublespeak.

  111. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 1, 2014 4:47 pm

    ‘Why do you think muslim women should not have the same free clothing choice as the rest of us?’

    Yeah but its such bad taste its laughable and there are also attached health hazards. Vitamin D deficiency and terrorism, burqa wearers are religious zealots breading fanatics, its unhealthy.

    Technically you are correct, nobody would object to a flimsily dressed beauty wandering around Belmore in broad daylight.

  112. October 1, 2014 5:01 pm

    “Yeah but its such bad taste its laughable and there are also attached health hazards. Vitamin D deficiency and terrorism, burqa wearers are religious zealots breading fanatics, its unhealthy.”

    You’re worried about the health impacts of the burqua?

    Is that like from the Scott Morrison Little Golden Book of Healthcare…???

  113. Meta permalink
    October 1, 2014 5:39 pm

    (According to Islamic lore, for over 1400 years, one dirham has bought one chicken; and dietetically-speaking, a chicken lays Vitamin-D; so, it’s probably just a coincidence that egg wants the neotenous great apes slip-slop-slapping, instead of dunking their soldiers.)

  114. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 5:41 pm

    Yeah but its such bad taste its laughable and there are also attached health hazards. Vitamin D deficiency and terrorism, burqa wearers are religious zealots breading fanatics, its unhealthy.

    that’s their problem…and their choice
    OTOH, they won’t get skin cancer!

    burqa wearers are religious zealots breading fanatics

    What’s their food choices got to do with it?

    Consider this, we can tolerate religious zealots in all forms and we even fund them via the taxpayer, all their various institutions and empire building enterprises.

    Why single one of them out? What about the christian zealots who terrorise abortion clinics and their clients, threatening murder and bombing. The christian zealots of home schooling that don’t want their kids having anything to do with the real world for fear of them going against their dogma and brainwashing. The catholic paedophile priests who have caused more harm to more kids/families here than muslim terror incidents. The christian zealots who have been caught abducting children from third world countries [without parental permission] to give away for adoption. The christian zealots here who never, ever give up trying to control women’s bodies and fertility.

    There are extremists and zealots on both sides but you conveniently forget about the christian ones. Do you have a problem with the christian lobby that tries to impose legislation on all australians though parliament? I certainly do and I think it is more dangerous than a burqa.
    Do you say the same about the sisters of charity or priest’s long robes, buddhist monk’s attire, crosses hanging off everything, religious proselyting pretending to be school counselling, happyclappers and the worship of the almighty $?
    Can we ban all of those, because all religious advancement offends me, especially when the funding of it is forced by government.

  115. October 1, 2014 5:57 pm

    ””’appear to be personally threatened””’
    #me neither (see my 1st comment)
    .
    ””””””””’I’m not accusing all males of being the perpetrators,”””’
    #fair enough
    .
    ”””””’but clearly, it is male behaviour we are talking about and female subjugation””””
    #l guess about here l see it a little different, quite frankly l`d let you run a feminista re-education camp, if it were up to me, but tossing me, reb, dunny and grandpa into it would be quite a waste of time l reckon. l don`t think we possess enough misogyny.

    Not only do the usual suspects, mr-rabbit, jones, bolt, akerman have enough misogyny to warrant re-education, so do Planet-Janet and Mandy-D. Don`t you think their Joo-Liar, ditch-the-b/w/itch stuff adds to the problem.? Just how much anti-arab, terror-fearist crap are they producing for team-australiaStupid at the moment.? Why should their misogyny be excused.?

  116. October 1, 2014 5:59 pm

    yes, yes, you can have chains and whips in your re-education camp 🙂

  117. October 1, 2014 6:06 pm

    ”””””””””””’I also advocate for a headscarf ban for the workplace not only in the public sector, I think personal religious views should take a back seat to the job.””””””””””’

    #yeah, l agree with the Turkish rules, tho it does go further, no christian crosses on necklace, brooch, ear rings, no jewish headwear, no turbins, no hari-christna/budist robes,

    #absolutely no chuch/sect/religion stuff of any kind

  118. October 1, 2014 6:18 pm

    ”’no one should have freedom of thought.””

    ”That’s what religion is all about is it not?”’

    So is canberra. Total thought-free zone.

    #askThePressGallery

  119. Walrus permalink
    October 1, 2014 6:20 pm

    I just think its wonderful to see most of you backing Abbott’s, Peta Credlin’s, Jacqui Lambie”s and Cory Bernardi’s stance on this………………… albeit for differing reasons

    At least there’s a flicker of light for you all coming from the Dark Side

    Hope springs eternal ???????????????????

    LOL

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 6:23 pm

    l don`t think we possess enough misogyny.

    that is true sb, we’ll have to clone you lot!

    …tho it does go further, no christian crosses on necklace, brooch, ear rings, no jewish headwear, no turbins, no hari-christna/budist robes,
    #absolutely no chuch/sect/religion stuff of any kind…

    good, that’s how we should be 🙂

  121. Walrus permalink
    October 1, 2014 6:24 pm

    “”What about the christian zealots who terrorise abortion clinics and their clients, threatening murder and bombing.””

    Very………….very…………………very………………..very…………….poor analogy

    Are there approximately 30,000 of them marching thru the countryside lopping heads and raping women and children before selling them into slavery ?

  122. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 6:24 pm

    sorry teabagz, i meant you and not sb in the above post!

  123. October 1, 2014 6:27 pm

    l think if you look deeper and think about it blubbers, you would see most don`t

  124. October 1, 2014 6:35 pm

    ””sorry teabagz, i meant you and not sb””
    # got it 🙂 that`s ok
    .
    #Planet-Janet and Mandy-D.
    ”’Why should their misogyny be excused.?”’
    You don`t think some females are peddling misogyny armchair.?

  125. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 6:46 pm

    Are there approximately 30,000 of them marching thru the countryside lopping heads and raping women and children before selling them into slavery ?

    30,000 of them…here…where are these marauding hordes? I don’t think we’ve had one head lopping have we?

    We have had a murder from the anti abortion nutjobs though.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-12/city-of-melbourne-being-sued-over-decades-long-abortion-protests/5314478

    …The group has been harassing staff and patients outside the clinic for decades and in 2001, a security guard was shot dead outside the clinic…”

    …It’s distressing for patients to be confronted by such physical and psychological harassment,” she said.

    “Our staff members have also had to deal with some aggressive behaviour from this group but council seems deaf to our concerns…”

  126. October 1, 2014 7:07 pm

    ”””Under Victoria’s Public Health and Wellbeing Act”””

    it seems vic-plod aren`t doing their job either, allowing the cranks to interfere with medical staff and services

  127. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 1, 2014 7:14 pm

    …#Planet-Janet and Mandy-D.
    ”’Why should their misogyny be excused.?”’

    it shouldn’t be, I don’t know enough about them to be honest, I don’t read any of their rubbish, so don’t really know what they say other than what others comment upon.

    Like bolt, I think they are just shock-jocks-in-print, warrior women for the conservatives and happy to have a go at anything they think is a progressive cause.

    I know devine m is a religious nutjob, don’t think planet janet is, but really don’t know if their views are in any way anti-female or just seeking to polarise opinion.

    i can easily believe they are both anti feminist in print, don’t know about any misogyny though.

  128. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 1, 2014 7:24 pm

    “tossing me, reb, dunny and grandpa into it”

    Pardon me for observing that you don’t belong in that company.

  129. October 1, 2014 7:43 pm

    “Pardon me for observing that you don’t belong in that company.

    Thank you ToM.

  130. Tony permalink
    October 1, 2014 8:07 pm

    A picture …

  131. orangeandblue permalink
    October 1, 2014 8:10 pm

    One more …

  132. October 1, 2014 8:24 pm

    ””devine m is a religious nutjob,”” absolutely, also quite a phobe too, some time ago she got her arse handed to her on twitter for her hate-filled phobic crap #RogeringGerbils

    mandy-d also often backs-up, re-echoes and justifies bolts and akermans hate-speech of various types too

  133. muslin bag permalink
    October 1, 2014 8:42 pm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslin

  134. October 2, 2014 12:55 am

    It is why i am so one sided. There is almost nothing a leftist says i agree with

    My what an intelligent contribution to political discourse 🙄

  135. Tom R permalink
    October 2, 2014 8:40 am

    My what an intelligent contribution to political discourse

    Actually, it is one of his more intelligent ones (which says more about his other ones than anything else really) 😉

  136. October 2, 2014 10:09 am

    ””””’Abbott is a dill for objecting to the burqua because he finds it ‘confronting’

    A Prime Minister shouldn’t base their orientation on their personal comfort level.””””

    #agree yomm, we can be sure that while mr-rabbit is trying to scare the public about everything and anything, there is no real danger,

    once something does happen (say an ebola outbreak) team-stupid will be running around saying `don`t_panic` and `there`s_nothing_to_see_here` #teabags

    .

    ””The rational objection to the””
    ””Rational objection is because””

    surely even you don`t really expect `rational` from them.? do you.?

  137. October 2, 2014 4:49 pm

    Andrew Wilkie says Parliament Burqua Ban is “religious apartheid”…

  138. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 3, 2014 9:19 am

    I am sick of hearing about the Burqa

  139. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 3, 2014 1:11 pm

    Would you rather discuss drug law reform?

  140. October 3, 2014 7:15 pm

    for years the teabags screamed hysterically about berkas, bombs and boats to gain redneck voters, we now trot back to iraq, murder boaties in gulags and relegate berkas to the childrens-box, has everybody else noticed, mr-rabbit still is not challenged rigorously by sleepy-media on the back-flips

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