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Rostrum: Just because we can Edition

October 8, 2014

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  1. October 8, 2014 11:56 am

    Breaking News: Redbull does not give you wings.

    Red Bull has agreed to pay $US13 million ($A14.76 million) to settle a class action lawsuit over alleged false advertising of its energy drinks.

    As part of the proposed settlement, anyone living in the USA who bought a Red Bull can from January 1, 2002 and has a valid claim will be able to receive either a $US10 ($A11.35) reimbursement or two free Red Bull products with a retail value of approximately $US15 ($A17).

    At the centre of the class action is Benjamin Careathers, who had been drinking Red Bull since 2002.

    He brought the class action suit in January 16, 2013 in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, claiming that the Austrian company’s tagline ‘Red Bull gives you wings’ was misleading.

    The idea that the energy drink could help you to grow feathered limbs and thereby be able to fly, as advertised on the company’s television, online and marketing campaigns, was ‘deceptive’, the suit claimed.

    “Such deceptive conduct and practices mean that [Red Bull’s] advertising and marketing is not just ‘puffery,’ but is instead deceptive and fraudulent and is therefore actionable,” the suit said.

    The class action cites articles by The New York Times, Nutrition Reviews and the European Food Safety Authority Journal.

    Even though there is a lack of genuine scientific support for a claim that Red Bull branded energy drinks could enable an individual to take flight, the defendants persistently and pervasively marketed the product as giving the consumer “wings.”

    Despite settling the lawsuit, Red Bull has denied any wrongdoing. In a statement to Bevnet, the company wrote: “Red Bull settled the lawsuit to avoid the cost and distraction of litigation.

    However, Red Bull maintains that its marketing and labeling have always been truthful and accurate, and denies any and all wrongdoing or liability.”

    Red Bull has “voluntarily updated its marketing materials and product labeling” for consumers in the United State and has established a website for people wishing to make a claim.

    The court’s final approval hearing will be in May 2015.

  2. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2014 12:04 pm

    Lets not forget that we don’t have the necessary equipment only since the last budget

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2014 12:44 pm

    Radio says … our IS action is to be named Operation OCHRE (OCRE?) … can’t find any verification …

  4. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2014 12:46 pm

    Operation OGRE perhaps 😉

  5. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 8, 2014 12:50 pm

    A comet fell into the ocean just south of New Zealand in 1491 AD and created a big splash.

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2014 12:52 pm

    Firing today! TR!

  7. Meta permalink
    October 8, 2014 1:48 pm

    (Continuing with Operation Ocker, and glossing over any imputation of cultural misappropriation, it’s time to preventive detain Ben Saul, for citing the Magna Carta and for forcing St. J.S.Mill to walk over an abridgement.)

  8. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 8, 2014 2:21 pm

    ‘Why does the government restrict freedom of movement by criminalising visits to a foreign place that the foreign minister does not want you to go, without the state having to prove that you did anything wrong?’

    Saul is correct, young Islamists should not be restrained from going on working holidays in Syria where they might gain a useful trade in bomb making. This would come in handy on their return to Oz.

    ‘Or by coercing refugees to live in rural areas?’

    Once again he is correct, people should not be forced to live in the bush where there is little work. Better they form ghettos in the cities and earn a living as cheap labour or by criminality.

    ‘Or by mandating house arrest under anti-terrorism control orders?’

    The government overplayed their hand, thinking it might discourage youngsters from making fools of themselves. Youthful folly is not restricted to radical Muslims, red neck white trash are renown for it.

  9. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 8, 2014 3:03 pm

    Ben Saul is blithering idiot. This much was readily apparent to earlier readers of his ABC Drum piece (also extracted from his address to the NSW Council of Civil Liberties). They would have noticed that his description included the following claim: “Ben Saul is a citizen of Marrickville …”

    The good citizen of Marrickville has obviously copped enough ridicule for one day and removed the wanky descriptor. Unfortunately the rest of his hysterical drivel has been retained. If he wasn’t such a tosser people might bother to plough through his dreck and sift out the few sensible comments he makes.

  10. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2014 3:27 pm

    I ploughed, I liked, perhaps unsurprisingly to sum 😉

    What about the chronic underfunding of legal aid, which prevents the most marginal from vindicating their “traditional” rights? Why is the government eroding the already weak institutions we have for safeguarding rights, by reducing funding to the Australian Human Rights Commission and politicising it with an ideological appointee?

  11. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 8, 2014 3:48 pm

    Great quote Tom R. Not abolishing the Human Rights Commission is a betrayal of the Australian people. As for politicised, I agree completely. That miserable fucker Gillian Trigg cares about refugee children except when Labor is in power.

    The ever-expanding bureaucracy of leftist leeches needs to be brought to heel. These toxic New-Class apparatchiks are pure poison. It is time they were completely de-funded, starting with the ABC.

  12. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2014 4:05 pm

    Gillian Trigg cares about refugee children except when Labor is in power.

    You’ll need to expand on that thinking somewhat, because, as I have shown before there is reasoning to actions which some appear to want to overlook

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2014 4:42 pm

    It is time they were completely de-funded, starting with the ABC.

    And channel the money saved to News Ltd … yaaaaaa!

    Rupert could then govern completely by remote control … no need to waste all that money on elections … we could channel that saving to Skynews!

    And no contradictions or fact checking of any of Rupert’s discharges …

    Have the AFP and courts police the interwebby thingy so no-one can do anything “wrong” … and sell off the NBN to – …. wait for it … – Rupert Murdoch, King Maker Extraordinaire

    That’s a great idea, sb …

  14. Meta permalink
    October 8, 2014 4:44 pm

    (Anyone interested in some ladies’ fingers to thicken a witch’s brew?)

  15. October 8, 2014 5:15 pm

    Courtney Love without the band…..

  16. Walrus permalink
    October 8, 2014 5:43 pm

    “The good citizen of Marrickville has obviously copped enough ridicule for one day and removed the wanky descriptor. ”

    All those inner city areas are full to the brim with idiots.

    You know you are talking to a complete inner city wanker as soon as he or she refers to their local motley grouping of shops as ……………..”The Village Shops”.

    Some of them have started calling their respective “Railway Parade” next to the railway station as the fucking lofty title of …………..”Our Local High Street”

    Total Morons of the Highest Order of Wankery

  17. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 8, 2014 6:18 pm

    ‘It is time they were completely de-funded, starting with the ABC.’

    Hear Hear !

  18. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 8, 2014 6:26 pm

    ‘All those inner city areas are full to the brim with idiots.’

    True, they think of themselves as part of the intelligentsia, I was lucky to escape from their delusional groupthink.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2014 7:24 pm

    Total Morons of the Highest Order of Wankery

    City Redneck Society anyone …

    No class in our egalitarian society Oz, hey … ?

    Only in México …

  20. October 8, 2014 7:24 pm

    Yeah you most certainly escaped intelligence Egg.. that is clearly evident…

    More like you were evicted for stupidity 🙄

    Defund the ABC?..so you all watch commercial TV?

    What a fucking moronic thing to say…

    Walrus we are OK with you staying the fuck out of Marrickville..if fact please feel free to avoid us, as you do logic for as long as possible…

  21. Tony permalink
    October 8, 2014 7:32 pm

    I’m devastated abot the Red Bull news. I was extremely very somewhat hopeful.

  22. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2014 8:02 pm

    Defund the ABC?

    We know what their end game is

    Simple as ABC: More cuts, less news coverage

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/simple-as-abc-more-cuts-less-news-coverage-20141007-10r580.html

    Mind you, theirabc is so infested with right wing hackery that it is tempting to want to get rid of the lot.

    But, once it is gone, it is gone. Ask people in the bush what they think of that idea.

    Simply get it back to it’s charter, and fuck of with this inane “balance” shit.

    Simply present news as news.

    Here’s a fucking hint on how it is done. look and remember Aunty

  23. Tony permalink
    October 8, 2014 8:10 pm

    As a free speech extremist, I’m against preventing “radical” “Islamist” “groups” from spruiking their “hate speech”. I’d rather punish people for what they actually do.

    Chuck a bomb, cut off a head, expect to suffer the consequences.

    Speak about doing those things, not so much.

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    October 8, 2014 8:13 pm

    Speak about doing those things, not so much.

    Unfortunately, ToSY, not everyone is as rational as you … or me … seriously …

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2014 8:22 pm

    I’m not in favour of people popping out here and (effectively) saying – the only way to deal with you lot is to kill you, and that should serve as an example to the survivors

    Even eco-tourists are more welcome.

  26. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2014 8:23 pm

    I’m against preventing “radical” “Islamist” “groups” from spruiking their “hate speech”

    I wonder what bolts take on it all is?

    Actually, I think I can guess (:

    as long as bolt can keep preaching his own hate that is.

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2014 8:28 pm

    I was also quite comfortable with David Irving being banned from the country a few years ago, and he only preached hatred, I don’t think he recommended killing anyone (currently).

  28. Tom R permalink
    October 8, 2014 8:32 pm

    Mind you, does this mean we now have a case for shipping alan jones outta the cuntree!

    After all, he did preach violence against a former PM

  29. October 8, 2014 8:34 pm

    “Even eco-tourists are more welcome.”

    That’s debatable..

  30. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 8, 2014 9:13 pm

    ‘Defund the ABC?’

    Only the news department, it has a pink/green hue.

    ‘So you all watch commercial TV?’

    Not much, there are so many platforms on the interwebs that I don’t feel deprived.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 8, 2014 9:26 pm

    That’s debatable..

    Maybe, they are annoying with their solar power aircraft.

  32. October 8, 2014 11:05 pm

    Emma on ABC actually let the extremist look like a total and utter fucking tool just by letting him talk.

    I think you will see plenty of it tomorrow

  33. October 8, 2014 11:07 pm

    And no Lefties it was not the PM.

    Just some wanker from one of those Sydney Bookshops in Lakemba

  34. Meta permalink
    October 9, 2014 1:33 am

    (there are so many platforms on the interwebs that I don’t feel deprived

    True; as entertaining as it might be catching up exclusively with the moment-by-moment derrings-do of Team Australia’s Top Guns of Occluded Opportunities and Collateral Damage Avoidances, there’s always AJ to keep Australians apprised of happenings in the vicinity of the vicinity of Lakemba and of marginal news, including the Coalition of the Concerned’s venerable performance(s); I guess.)

  35. October 9, 2014 2:45 am

    Operation `Still Not Learning` #teabags

  36. October 9, 2014 3:07 am

    (For Certain; Ben Saul will require guest accommodation in one of canberra`s 5-star gulags in remote locations. Floating his boat against Team Australia`s blatant lies and corporate rights pre-occupation will ensure Ben a long holiday.)

  37. October 9, 2014 5:56 am

    ””Defund the ABC””Only the news department””
    #haha dumpty, the mindless chanting has back-fired,

    the first budgets cuts at my ABC is the `appearance` fees the Limited-News trolls would pocket, now ruperts trolls will have to appear for free to spout their garbage, or not at all, three cheers for rupert for doing us all a favor and reducing the troll quota on my ABC 🙂

  38. October 9, 2014 8:23 am

    So there we have it Egg and Walrus have no need for Journalism because they sit in front of images in hyperventilating hyperbole their own version of the world… They have their own fruit loop subtitles goin on….

    Walrus… you know when the story hits the road they wheel out the bearded loon barrel fish from Lakemba… its standard practice. Give em a camera frame and they will talk themselves into fear and loathing within 30 seconds. Lets just hop these fucking ass wipes in this so called government know what they are unleashing in the community.. I doubt it, they are obviously oblivious to every other known reality in the universe.

    Egg is such a fucking idiot, She prefers extremist tinfoil blogs to science and comments on an ABC she never watches because they wont give airtime to loon extremist fucktards like Maurice Newman?….. preferring the inter-webs…. fuck me is that ignorance personified?

    See folks this is what you get when you accept money from Abbott’s despots to inhabit blogs as a pond scum troll for filthy lucre…

  39. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 8:31 am

    I see the retribution party has extended the with hunt into Trade Unions. Not sure how this will go over with people, particularly considering the extra million being spent for what has become quite an obvious political exercise, not to mention more nasties coming out for big business than the actual Unions that they are focussing on.

    The real reason for the extension now comes to the fore: Simply put, the union royal commission has not yet delivered the political bang for the public buck its champions had so eagerly anticipated.

    Indeed, the “big fish” it was meant to land have wriggled off the hook. Former prime minister Julia Gillard’s hours in the witness box discussing her pre-parliamentary work as a union solicitor promised so much but in the end delivered dull TV. There was no smoking gun, no gotcha moment. Ditto it seems for Tory hopes of fatally wounding Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s reputation by linking the former AWU boss materially with dodgy union dealings.

    Perhaps these objectives will be progressed in the final report – or the interim one even.

    In the meantime, the process rolls on with taxpayers footing the likely $61 million bill.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/unions-royal-commission-extension-reveals-true-motivations-20141008-10rphm.html#ixzz3FWakPNxK

    I would guess that the main objective now will be Shorten, and linking any detrimental stories to him and the ALP in general, of which I’m sure there will be some. But let’s not forget, I don’t recall anything this witch hunt has exposed that wasn’t exposed by Union members already.

    Still, I’ll take the minute case of wrong doings (brought to light by their own members, not a multi million dollar political witch hunt) over the vast amount of good the Unions have done any day.

    The National Union of Workers helped the 13 casual positions become permanent through a memorandum of understanding with the company.

    Ms Dimovska said it would be easier to plan her holidays and family activities around her regular working hours.

    The Australian Council of Trade Unions is preparing a submission to the Fair Work Commission to give more workers the right to become permanent employees.

    http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/union-helps-13-woolworths-workers-become-permanent-20141007-10r7s7.html

  40. October 9, 2014 8:32 am

    “Egg is such a fucking idiot”

    Succinct, but accurate.

  41. October 9, 2014 8:34 am

    I can’t summon enough outrage to describe the outrage I’m feeling over this:

  42. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 8:35 am

    A GREAT BIG NEW TAX (and of course, it’s all Labors fault)

    Treasurer Joe Hockey has signalled that market participants may be charged a fee to access data provided by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) as he blamed Labor’s budget cuts for dodgy job figures produced by the agency.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/joe_hockey_proposes_new_tax_to_fix_txhdc87rvf52nACMo0iBTM

    This, after floating the idea of a “levy” to fund their war. It’s fucking laughable. We can tax people to drop bombs on others, but not to help rebuild communities after a massive natural disaster.

  43. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 8:37 am

    I can’t summon enough outrage to describe the outrage I’m feeling over this:

    I AGREE!

    (whatever “this” may be ❓ )

    I get the feeling that maybe pasted tweets aren’t coming through, I put one up last night that disappeared from the end of a comment?

    So I’ll test 🙂

  44. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 8:41 am

    Yep, looks like their dead reb (for me at least) 😦

    Here’s what the tweet led to anyway

    http://andrewboltparty.com/3BoltTrials.aspx

  45. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2014 9:17 am

    “Egg is such a fucking idiot”

    Interestingly that description applies to teabagz too, but teabagz is completely without humour and is inarticulate as well.

  46. October 9, 2014 9:20 am

    “I get the feeling that maybe pasted tweets aren’t coming through”

    Yeah, sorry about that… Tweets with more than one or two links seem to get caught in the spaminator.

  47. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2014 9:23 am

    “”Lets just hop these fucking ass wipes in this so called government know what they are unleashing in the community..””

    Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr……………Ricky the Islamic extremist on Lateline and Skynews was not press ganged into appearing and making himself look like a total tool.

    He is a spokesman for Hizbut Tahrir. In fact I think he might be the 2IC to the great bearded Dickhead they usually wheel out.

    But I suppose you are OK with someone getting up on stage and teaching that honour killings are OK or despite being asked several times refusing to denounce the violence of ISIL…………………are you ?

  48. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 9:31 am

    Yeah, sorry about that

    So it IS all your fault then reb 😉

    bloody wordpress, how dare they let us waste all these endless hours here 🙂

  49. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2014 9:33 am

    The Royal Commission into unions seems to be doing a reasonable job. It is uncovering a number of unsavoury activities that have no place in the workplace or anywhere else.

    The RC in 2004 showed a similar pattern of behaviour in the construction industry. Following the exposure, the behaviour of those unions moderated for a while.

    There’s no problem with exposing the thuggish and dubious actions of unions from time to time.

  50. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2014 9:45 am

    “”So there we have it Egg and Walrus have no need for Journalism because they sit in front of images in hyperventilating hyperbole their own version of the world… “”

    And exactly how did you come to that conclusion when the sum total of my contribution this week was a comment on Lateline’s Emma making an Islamic extremist look like a Tool ?

    Back on the crack pipe again hey Ricky……………..?

    Inner city “”Ärtistes”” are known for that stuff ya know

  51. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 10:33 am

    “Back on the crack pipe again hey Ricky……………..?”

    Ricky is a little on the incoherent side in that last comment. I’d say it is the lack of the crack pipe that is his problem. Being strung out will do that to you.

  52. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 10:51 am

    Jonathan Green:

    I should declare here that I’ve spent my working life as a journalist, from 1979 to now. But now, reading the newspapers and watching the news, I can’t help but wonder if this is a craft that is not only losing its centre of corporate gravity and support, but also some fundamental sense of its mission and responsibility.

    Irony alert. This tool works for the ABC where the fundamental sense of its mission and responsibility amounts to no more than twisting the news to accord with the exquisite sensibilities of chattering classes who are its target audience. Unsurprisingly, the ABC has conceded its audience is such as to enjoy pictures of men fucking dogs.

  53. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 10:59 am

    This tool works for the ABC where the fundamental sense of its mission and responsibility amounts to no more than twisting the news to accord with the bastardization of its charter by right wing political appointees and their never ending chase for the elusive quarry “balance”

    Try to get it right 😉

  54. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2014 11:04 am

    “………I can’t help but wonder if this is a craft that is not only losing its centre of corporate gravity and support, …………..”

    Centre in this case being somewhere between the Socialist Alternative and the Greens

  55. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 11:05 am

    The reckless and inflammatory reporting on terrorism and national security makes me wonder whether we’d be better off without a media apparatus that can sink so low, writes Jonathan Green.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-09/green-our-reckless-media-fans-the-flames-of-disquiet/5799504

    He makes a very good point . Watching the nightly horror movie, it occurred to me that daesh must sit back and admire at the ability of news outlets to far better generate the very fear and loathing than any number of their youtube massacres will ever create.

    The best example of “news” that I saw recently was a simple black front page with a white dove and a commemoration of the latest beheading victim (can’t put the tweet with the image up 😦 )

    It refused to further advertise for these madmen murderers, and in the process, further their cause for them. Whereas last nights news even went back to remind us of the grisly murder in England a while ago, and telling all of our uniformed people to not wear uniform for the fear. The FEAR was palpable.

    We’ve lost this “war” from the get go

  56. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 11:34 am

    “I saw recently was a simple black front page with a white dove … (can’t put the tweet with the image up)”

    You already put it up above.

    Of course it makes no sense, no sense at all, to show the public pictures of reality. That isn’t news. I’m surprised they even bothered with the black page when they could have better expressed the depth of leftist grief with a sad face emoticon or maybe a hashtag placard.

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2014 11:35 am

    ‘We’ve lost this “war” from the get go

    Tom R, clearly they’re after more than the creation of ‘FEAR’, because these marauding gangs are after LAND, that is occupied by PEOPLE. They’ll use slaughter and rape to advance their territorial objectives.

    Suggesting that they’re only looking to create ‘FEAR’ ignores all the people they have (so far) slaughtered and raped.

  58. October 9, 2014 12:06 pm

    “We’ve lost this “war” from the get go”

    Indeed.

    I’ve just walked past a cavalcade of billboards in Melbourne that just say:

    If you see something, say something”

    And the phone number for the police.

    I mean FFS, talk about trying to spread paranoia…. *rolls eyes*

  59. October 9, 2014 12:09 pm

    “Suggesting that they’re only looking to create ‘FEAR’ ignores all the people they have (so far) slaughtered and raped.

    Well as someone so aptly pointed out the other day, no one has been killed in Australia as a direct consequence of terrorism in the last year, yet hundreds of Australians are bashed and raped every year as a direct consequence of domestic violence…

    Why aren’t we raising the alarm bells to eleventy about that….??

  60. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 12:09 pm

    You already put it up above.

    So, tweets are showing for you, but not reb or myself?

    Weirder. I blame asio 😉

    it makes no sense, no sense at all, to show the public pictures of reality.

    Not when it is advertising just what the murderers want. We know what is ogling on, but this highlighting and focusing on it to such an extent, in all its gory glory, is moving beyond news, and entering entertainment. You want to see shit like that, download GOT or something else.

    And why do they need to replay what happened in England with the beheading, highlighting the blood and gore, focussing in on it?

    This is EXACTLY what the perpetrators want. And we are giving it to them

    Suggesting that they’re only looking to create ‘FEAR’ ignores all the people they have (so far) slaughtered and raped.

    It’s not just FEAR they want to instill, their bigger game is the resultant hate and segregation that comes from that fear. They want to drive a wedge through cohesive (or attempting cohesion) societies. They want to create havoc and mayhem. They want war. And we are all too willing to participate in their jihad.

  61. October 9, 2014 12:16 pm

    We’ve always been at war with Oceania.

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2014 12:32 pm

    I can’t accept the argument that goes –

    Well, we created the power vacuum that those violent nutcases have filled, but it is best that we just stand by while they rape, slaughter and enslave innocent people (that we assured we’d save from barbarity).’

    No, that logic doesn’t appeal to me.

    …nor does the line of argument that goes –

    ‘They’re local youths who turn to violent nutcases because they’re disaffected with us and how we treat them.’

    …go tell our indigenous community about dispossession and disaffection. So far I haven’t noticed people representing them recommending rape and slaughter as a means of settling 230 years of (legitimate) grievances.

  63. Walrus permalink
    October 9, 2014 12:46 pm

    “They’re local youths who turn to violent nutcases because they’re disaffected with us and how we treat them.’”

    Yes……………..Yes…………………Yes.

    They just need hugs and a few kisses……………………that’ll fix it.

  64. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 12:57 pm

    Why aren’t we raising the alarm bells to eleventy about that….??

    Well, some of ’em are he/she’s …apparently 😦

  65. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 1:01 pm

    They just need hugs and a few kisses……………………that’ll fix it.

    You keep going straight to that wally. You sure there aint something missing from your life?

  66. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 9, 2014 1:26 pm

    ‘Egg is such a fucking idiot, She prefers extremist tinfoil blogs to science and comments on an ABC she never watches because they wont give airtime to loon extremist fucktards like Maurice Newman?….. preferring the inter-webs…. fuck me is that ignorance personified?’

    No.

  67. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 1:30 pm

    Egg is such a fucking idiot

    It really just needed repeating 🙂

  68. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 1:37 pm

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2014 1:45 pm

    IMMIGRATION Minister Scott Morrison says his department will investigate allegations that two Afghan Hazaras with links to Australia have been attacked by Taliban fighters.

    HOWEVER, it appears he is unlikely to stop the deportation of seven other asylum seekers to the troubled country.

    Does Morrison need medical assistance …?

  70. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 2:16 pm

    “So, tweets are showing for you, but not reb or myself?”

    I put it down to my good looks, charm and wit.

  71. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 2:18 pm

    Jonathon Green does sum it up well

    “Terror Australis: Cops foil horror attacks,” said the Courier Mail, blending the journalist’s fatal instinct for a pun with the paper’s absolute commitment to distortion, amplification and the propagation of fear to sell papers: for commercial gain.:

    The msm media model, (unwittingly?) doing the bidding of the murderers.

  72. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 2:24 pm

    I put it down to my good looks, charm and wit.

    Now it’s even more inexplicable.

  73. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2014 2:40 pm

    It just dawned on me that it must be significant that Australia is now run by two Bishops and an Abbott …

    Oh the irony of going to war with the Saracens … again …

    Check-mate?

  74. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 9, 2014 4:02 pm

    ‘It really just needed repeating’

    Especially on mental health week.

  75. Meta permalink
    October 9, 2014 4:15 pm

    (Supposition. If various concerned parties were all that serious about ISIL and etcetera, there’d be boots on the ground, as first port of call, in very large numbers, probably approaching a half-million or more, as peacemakers and peacekeepers, and of overwhelming deescalatory conviction; instead, there’s millions of light and heavy machine-guns, hundreds of millions of rounds of ordinary and armour-piercing ammo, (land)mines, mortars, rpgs, grenades and etcetera being handed out to ill-trained, over-equipped, ideologically-and-territorially-motivated entities lacking relevant rules of engagement, and the niceties of (im)precision bombs and ad hoc legal frameworks for state-based enablers. ‘oorah, for humanitarian missions.)

  76. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 4:44 pm

    “If various concerned parties were all that serious about ISIL and etcetera, there’d be boots on the ground”

    In Obama’s case political considerations are more important. The midterms are looming and he doesn’t want to admit that he was wrong to prematurely withdraw from Iraq and that George Bush was right:

    To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we’re ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al-Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean we’d be increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.>

  77. October 9, 2014 4:50 pm

    ””””hours in the witness box discussing her pre-parliamentary work as a union solicitor promised so much but in the end delivered dull TV.””””

    #between your droning Joolya and my ABC

    ””in the end delivered dull TV””

    😯 Who`da thunk it.?

  78. October 9, 2014 5:05 pm

    (For Certain; Air superiority is a proven failure, that can only provide destruction. lt cannot win hearts, minds or victory.)

  79. October 9, 2014 5:21 pm

    “As a free speech extremist, I’m against preventing “radical” “Islamist” “groups” from spruiking their “hate speech”. I’d rather punish people for what they actually do.

    Chuck a bomb, cut off a head, expect to suffer the consequences.

    Speak about doing those things, not so much.”

    Me too. Very much so.

    I think the penny may have finally dropped for Herr Bolt too (Free speech warrior made of iron pyrites)…at least, if the penny hasn’t dropped, why did he put this thread up?

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/leyonhjelm_terrorism_laws_are_an_attack_on_free_speech/

    Could it be that he’s recognising that his words are frequently hollow if he endorses one sort of mutually exclusive hyperbole over the other?

    “The latest tranche of security legislation before us, the foreign fighters bill, contains even more nasties. First, it allows for “delayed notification search warrants”. These will allow the Australian Federal Police to search your home, your correspondence and your underwear drawer without having to tell you about it for at least six months… As in the case of SIOs, “unauthorised disclosure” of the existence of such a warrant is a serious offence.

    And, as with the previous national security legislation, there is no public interest defence and no protection for the exposure of corruption or misconduct…

    Then there’s the new offence of “advocating terrorism”, which takes the traditional and perfectly workable law against incitement and turns it into a monster.”

    Even Greg Sheridan gets a run…get this…making ACTUAL sense!!! . If that don’t beat all!

  80. October 9, 2014 5:46 pm

    ””””the new offence of “advocating terrorism”””/incitement/bolt

    #haha, the penny is starting to drop with the pantie-soiling enhancers, the fcuking imbecile they promoted (mr-rabbit) is going too far and going to end-up burning them too

  81. October 9, 2014 5:56 pm

    He’s looked ‘uncomfortable’ cheering for the liberty curtailing, sorta, up until today.

    The fear-soiling, pantywetting & uncontrollable squirt frenzy whipping…well he’s still riding that train…

  82. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 6:11 pm

    The consistency of free speech advocates is not the issue so much as they hypocrisy of those who oppose limiting the speech of terrorists but piled on Brandeis for his “right to be bigoted” comment.

  83. October 9, 2014 6:22 pm

    Yes, the consistency is very much the issue.

    And Brandis is a fucking tool who would do less damage to his dubious brand if he recognised when not to run his mouth.

    For the record…if I haven’t said it already…I say, Let The Dimwits, Bigots & Fable-Crusaders Speak, long and loud…and then I reserve the right to take the utter piss out of their nonsensical worldviews, with venom if it so suits me.

    Bolt is an inconsistent arsehat…slightly redeemed today. He’s not the only inconsistent freespeech faux arrior going around…largely conspicuous by what he’s not said in the last twelve months or so. Information blackout on Asylum Seekers for ‘operational reasons’, anyone?

  84. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 6:24 pm

    I don’t read much of Bolt, but did he actually oppose free speech on this issue?

  85. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 6:26 pm

    “Information blackout on Asylum Seekers for ‘operational reasons’, anyone?”

    That isn’t a free speech issue. It is a government secrecy issue, and worth debating but it has nought to do with free speech.

  86. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 6:27 pm

    and that George Bush was right:

    A quick history lesson before it is re-written by political wonks.

    The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which “all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq

    It’s even linked to in that article to one of their own. Blindly Ignorant. Must be a murdoch paper

    For months, U.S. and Iraqi officials had been negotiating the terms of an accord that would have kept several thousand U.S. troops in Iraq for special operations and training beyond the year-end deadline set by the George W. Bush administration.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/all-us-troops-to-leave-iraq/2011/10/21/gIQAUyJi3L_story.html

  87. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 6:28 pm

    “For the record…if I haven’t said it already…I say, Let The Dimwits, Bigots & Fable-Crusaders Speak, long and loud…and then I reserve the right to take the utter piss out of their nonsensical worldviews, with venom if it so suits me.”

    Agreed. Surely that is the core aspiration of all at this blog.

  88. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 6:30 pm

    bolts still working out his angle. It’s probably dawning on him that these laws, if applied retrospectively, might cause him some problems?

    I have no pity for these barrackers lamenting the monster they created. I also note that they are only concerned with the section that applies to them, and not much about the rest. Selfish twats.

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 6:31 pm

    Troll R, what has Bush’s best guess of a departure date in 2007 got to do with anything?

    The fact is that Obama ignored his military advisers and got the fuck out of Dodge as soon as he could. He may eventually have to send troops back in to clean up the mess left by his premature withdrawal, but there will be no talk of this before the midterms.

  90. October 9, 2014 6:41 pm

    “I don’t read much of Bolt, but did he actually oppose free speech on this issue?”

    Not today, apparently…but, as I said, it’s more about the incremental (and blatant) assault on ‘freedom’ he’s chosen to ignore since his team’s been on the throne.
    When a narrow issue affected him he was squealing from the rooftops & making hyperbole casserole.

    Still, at least he posted that stuff for his rightbots to digest today; credit where due.

    “That isn’t a free speech issue. It is a government secrecy issue, and worth debating but it has nought to do with free speech.”

    I respectfully disagree.

    Hiding behind ‘National Security’ is the last refuge of liberty rapists.

    Government secrecy, my arse. They know that if the ugly facts were ‘out there’, whether their ‘methods’ are effective or not, they’d be held far more accountable by the voting populace. Much easier to claim ‘operational secrecy’ & obscure the nastiness. Not to worry, most of it will be exposed over time; but the principle remains.
    Inccoming governments (prior to this opportunist bunch of cunts) have had a tendency to not expose all of the skeletons in the last lot’s closet…lest it happen to them. Think of it as honour among political animals (who are, generally just feathering their nest and having a fucking lend of those who voted them in) of all persuasions (until the current lot of opportunist cunts).

  91. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 9, 2014 6:45 pm

    “I respectfully disagree.”

    No need to be respectful, but do try to be logical.

    Free speech is about the right to speak your mind, no matter how rancid your thoughts. Governments hiding stuff from citizens is a different matter and a serious matter at that. But it has nought to do with free speech.

  92. October 9, 2014 6:47 pm

    ” Obama ignored his military advisers ”

    Wouldn’t be too hard to mount a case that Bush ‘ ignored his military advisers’ in favour of his entrenched ideological demagogues and Reagan-era reheats during much of the pre and post invasion of Iraq, circa early 2000’s.

    I love how the original invader cheerleaders have turned on Obama (who is a warmongering POTUS, exerting Manifest Destiny, just like the rest of them over the last century or so).

  93. October 9, 2014 6:54 pm

    How about Freedom of the Press then? if we are going to split some hairs.

    Maybe I should have categorised it all under the banner of ‘Freedom of Information, for the public good’.

    They do all of this shit in our names (mine and yours), they pretend to speak for all of us…yet they can’t conduct their more questionable practices behind closed doors if ‘we’ are aware of what’s actually going on.

    A voter can’t make an informed decision if they’re not in possession of the facts; rather than just the frilly edges which ‘we’ are allowed to see which paint the contemporary government in a tremendous light.
    Partisans (and I’m definitely not inferring that you’re one) should always keep in mind that when draconian practices are institutionalised, they are VERY useful to either side of government…and even if your team is in power, you may rue the day that the other team wields the same apparatus.

  94. October 9, 2014 6:55 pm

    ” but do try to be logical”

    You are intelligent and amusing, but your bait tastes like shit and I won’t be biting it.

  95. October 9, 2014 6:58 pm

    ”””””The consistency of free speech advocates is not the issue so much as they hypocrisy of those who oppose limiting the speech of terrorists but piled on Brandeis for his “right to be bigoted” comment.”””””

    #the splattering continues,

    1. the brandis free-hate-speech was on behalf of Limited-News arse-hat bolt, after losing the `white`aboriginal case

    #this has nothing to do with so-called `free`speech, no matter how much teabags want to bleat, it was about corporate-media power and limitations of that power, `free`speech actually belongs to `real`people/individuals, not corporations

    2. bolt was FACTually WRONG about the `white`aboriginals, was REPEATEDLY wrong, refused to CORRECT his errors, even when given the corrections, again, and again, which resulted in the conclusion bolt `was` practicing RACE-based hate-speech, with the conivance and support of his PRESS organisation.

    3. Limited News knew they lost, and as a result,
    + removed many existing hate-speech POSTS `and` COMMENTS,
    + placed a 3rd party in charge of moderating blots blog, not allowing blot or mrs-blot to continue moderating

  96. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 9, 2014 7:03 pm

    ‘…ad hoc legal frameworks for state-based enablers. ‘oorah, for humanitarian missions.’

    Meta the idea of wars fought with large standing armies is a thing of the past, these days its all about using sophisticated weaponry from a safe distance and relying on good intelligence to avoid collateral damage.

    Its a humanitarian exercise in that there are millions of Muslims in refugee camps who need to be repatriated. Tell me why you think its better to do nothing?

  97. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 7:25 pm

    what has Bush’s best guess of a departure date in 2007 got to do with anything?

    Best guess? it was a joint agreement with Iraq and Bush Administration, in 2008, that set a date to leave Iraq. All Obama did was adhere to it. If you note the date, it was a year after the mutterings from bush you refer to.

  98. Tom R permalink
    October 9, 2014 7:32 pm

    Hiding behind ‘National Security’ is the last refuge of liberty rapists.

    hear hear

    free speech is free speech, and hiding it away behind floss like “operational matters” is preventing it.

    It’s almost a fucking low as blaming the messengers like in the case of asylum seeker service provider Save the Children And we don’t really know, because of ‘National Security’. Fuck off, it is pure arse covering for bad behaviour.

    Minister for Immigration Scott Morrison has failed to provide any evidence of wrongdoing to asylum seeker service provider Save the Children, despite airing sensational accusations that the group have been involved in coaching detainees to self-harm.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/10/03/save-children-fires-back-morrisons-self-harm-coaching-claims

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    October 9, 2014 7:56 pm

    In Obama’s case political considerations are more important.

    And rightly so … this is (whether you realise it or not) a civil war amongst the Islamic faction (seven alone in Syria) …

    Despite the vile video of beheadings ( a “political ploy” to get the West involved) … the “boots on the ground” HAVE to be Muslim …

    George Bush was right —- was a fkn moron! Who fkd up from the WMD, BS, and lied via Colin Powell (who was furious that he’d been conned) in the UN!

    What ignorant nonsense!

    That isn’t a free speech issue. It is a government secrecy issue, and worth debating but it has nought to do with free speech.

    Not yours maybe, sb …

    Agreed. Surely that is the core aspiration of all at this blog.

    And I agree with that too, sb … we welcome commenters with intelligent riposte!

    Troll R, what has Bush’s best guess of a departure date in 2007 got to do with anything?

    Troll R? He has more credence on this blog than you … respect the “core aspirations” of this blog … we respect intelligent and contributory comments … (apologies to the Blogmeister)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It’s probably dawning on him that these laws, if applied retrospectively, might cause him some problems?

    I’d get pissed (and support Bolt …. shudder) if they were retrospective …. an unwritten concept in the Westminster process … that the supporters of the stupid system often forget …

    Hiding behind ‘National Security’ is the last refuge of liberty rapists.

    That’s my HOMEY!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No need to be respectful, but do try to be logical … no matter how rancid your thoughts.

    Patronising or what! And we’ve noticed the “rancid thoughts” ….

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    (who is a warmongering POTUS, exerting Manifest Destiny, just like the rest of them over the last century or so).

    But he actually isn’t … boots on the ground, means Islamic boots on the ground (as I have said from the beginning of this conflict)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And as I said earlier … how ironic ….

    Australia is currentyly controlled by the Abbott and two Bishops …

  100. October 9, 2014 9:05 pm

    “But he actually isn’t … ”

    What about the longrunning, virtually unaccountable, cross-border, somewhat extrajudicial drone-killing programme TB?

    I don’t think it’s ok to kill people by remote control by the ‘scatter’ approach & act like collateral damage is ok.

    The rhetoric that the US uses to promote itself on the global stage, if believed, suggests that POTUS should be ‘better’ than that. But, at the end of the day, they’re all POTUS.
    I cack myself at how side-takers in US politics, and some observers here, try to delineate between Repug/Dem. Partisan bullshit which argues technicalities, while broadly endorsing the same shit.

    I don’t think Obama’s nearly as bad as the ‘conservative’ US pundits and their willing lickspittles paint him to be…but the messiah (I don’t believe in one) he ain’t. POTUS is a POTUS is a POTUS…

  101. October 9, 2014 9:13 pm

    Granted, he is verbalising a less Hawkish line than say…errr, Romney or whothefuckever may have been the smelly alternative POTUS…but he is still being Hawklite coz dats wot dem applepiechomping bots over there expect from their Supreme Allied Commander installed hood ornament Capitalist Pigsturbator ‘Leader’.

    Pretty much damned if he goes to smite some sandpeople and damned more if he doesn’t.

  102. October 9, 2014 9:19 pm

    I agree that things may not necessarily transpire more smoothly, but may in fact result in a better longterm outcome (more readily assimilated by those who actually have to live in the region after we bomb them) if the Arabs sort eachother out.

    But, then again, we definitely helped ‘break it’, a decade or so ago.

    That’s something else which amuses me. Those pretending like Operation Iraqi Freedom (GUFFAW! most Orwellian bullshit ever ) never happened, or worse still insisting it was a great idea which can be vindicated.

  103. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2014 9:20 pm

    All I know think is, if you’re going to start a enter a go to war, then don’t do it half-heartedly, ’cause if you do, then you’re most likely going to lose.

  104. October 9, 2014 9:24 pm

    And, in your opinion, what constitutes a ‘win’ in this particular interdiction?

    Win & Lose are so black & white.

    Here’s an easy question…

    Will interfering in the middle east ensure that there’ll be less tewwa attacks domestically (for the US…we haven’t even had one) ? or more?

    Will there be an ‘eradication’ of all threats? or an amplification?

  105. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2014 9:28 pm

    In my opinion, you won’t solve the “terror” “question” by war in the middle east. It has deeper roots, and has shoots everywhere. But, hey, why not have a fourth or fifth go in Iraq? It plays well at home.

  106. October 9, 2014 9:36 pm

    I absolutely concur with your astute observation.

    Noone will ever solve the terror question. It is the nature of humans of many different persuasions sharing the same (shrinking) planet.

    It can’t be solved unless rohypnol becomes compulsory from toddlerhood. But it can sure as hell be exacerbated.

    What even is ‘terror’ now? Just a word open to exploitation by everyone from Obama to Abbott to Putin to Mugabe to Chavez to Ayatollah to Kim Jong…etc., etc. …

  107. Tony permalink
    October 9, 2014 9:40 pm

    (Who are those two gentlemen in the above picture? ToM and reb?)

  108. October 9, 2014 9:42 pm

    #agree with dunny, on his questions,

    1. there is no `win`, for team-stupid, or the poor bastards chalked-up as collateral
    2. amplification, just as israel/palistine has festered for 6-decades,
    iraq2003 will now fester too, #teabags

  109. October 9, 2014 9:47 pm

    ””But, hey, why not have a fourth or fifth go in Iraq? It plays well at home.””

    to be sure Tinfoil`osy, mr-rabbit will clutch at all `international` happenings to distract our slow and stupid-media at every chance he gets #mh370 #mh17

  110. October 9, 2014 9:49 pm

    Nice jade streetwear there, YomM.

  111. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 9, 2014 9:58 pm

    Tony rumours abound that they have a cold fusion breakthrough, the banks are taking it seriously at least. Oil futures become volatile.

  112. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 9, 2014 10:09 pm

    Yes the chap on the left does bear a close resemblance to me. Green suits have never gone out of style, timeless.

  113. October 10, 2014 1:56 am

    Ricky the Islamic extremist on Lateline and Skynews was not press ganged into appearing and making himself look like a total tool.

    What like Kevin Andrews and Abetz with that little get together of extremists in Melbourne?
    Or Abbott writing character references for paedophile priests?

    Yeah fuck the extremists I say…
    line them up and let them have their day in the court of public opinion 🙄

    if it walks like a duck and quacks with a beak , lets just say the goose is probably a gander
    Would you like fries with that Hypocrisy?

    But I suppose you are OK with someone getting up on stage and teaching that honour killings are OK or despite being asked several times refusing to denounce the violence of ISIL…………………are you ?

    Ahh who’s on crack? did I say that?..see you love he hyperbole…
    Splatter stop shelving teabag crack buddy….

    Mate seriously? You may as well televise a meat raffle at the RSL and say that represents physics….. if you assume these imbeciles represent Muslims?

    Yeah and Tony Abbot is a model moderate conservative….

    or

    or a pillar of intellect ….yeah righty O… then … .
    Is Pyne gonna put Battle Lines in the new curriculum as a work of profound intellectual abstract thinking? What Fox gonna make battle lines the movie?
    ROTFL 🙂

    This “war” is not real… but there a few compliment corporate signatories to Abbots free trade war or tewwa that have contracts in canberra that will make its so..and pour all that budget emergency surplus down a big black bearded oil well in the badlands of some sandpit.

    To the tune of about 550 mill a year….

    with Hokey saying…
    oh I dont write blank checks to anyone?
    Labor pass the budget its not an emergency any-more its a humanitarian mission (not war)

    Ask yourself …. who the fuck are we saving?
    Who are the baddies?
    Who are we bombing?
    Who is the enemy?

    Its Vietnam all over again…an unattainable victory…
    A moral bog where we throw flesh and bone into a sacrificial fire to make some fucktard happy as their fat ass sticks to to a patent leather seat in the Hamptons sipping another Martini discussing opportunity in the Darwinian free market….

    I wanna know how Egg sleeps at nigh taking money from Team Australia as a paid troll… its tantamount to prostitution….

  114. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2014 6:49 am

    Ask yourself …. who the fuck are we saving?

    the libs, and that is all it is designed to save. And no moral bar is too low to pass under

    “Everything comes at a cost and if Bill Shorten truly is honest about his commitment to deliver bipartisan support in relation to our defence efforts in the Middle East he’ll provide bi-partisan support to pay for it,” he said.

    While Mr Abbott on Thursday declined to back his Treasurer’s call, the opposition’s treasury spokesman Chris Bowen attacked the tactic as “disgraceful” and “blackmail”.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/treasurer-joe-hockey-pressures-labor-to-pass-stalled-budget-measures-to-pay-for-iraq-war-20141009-113eox.html

    Noting also that I haven’t seen dear leader speak out against hockey yet either.

  115. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2014 7:05 am

    Nothing like flying blind. Chaotic, shambolic gubmint?

    In the light of this mess it’s probably a good thing that the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) has not been fine tuning policy. Steps taken by the ABS appear to have reduced the recent volatility which has plagued the survey but it remains difficult to interpret the data and it may remain that way for a number of months.

    http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/10/9/australian-news/data-real-or-just-another-snow-job

  116. October 10, 2014 7:15 am

    That’s me on the right. I’ve always said that a man’s suit isn’t complete without a pen.

  117. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2014 8:11 am

    Quite so.

  118. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2014 8:12 am

    I wonder which “thieves” they are planning on chasing? The low income ones without the tax receipt for the computer they claim would be my guess

    Treasurer Joe Hockey has labelled tax cheats “thieves” and vowed to give the Tax Office whatever laws it needs, despite the government having slashed millions from the agency’s budget and resisting a suite of Labor reforms.

    ..

    “The Treasurer has backed down on $1.1 billion of Labor measures tackling multinational profit shifting,” shadow assistant treasurer Andrew Leigh said.

    “At the same time he’s slashed $189 million from the Tax Office’s staff budget, sending 3000 skilled tax officers out the door.”

    “So, in fact, Joe Hockey is giving the Tax Office neither the laws it needs to tackle tax avoidance, nor the resources to enforce existing ones.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/joe-hockey-says-tax-cheats-are-thieves-20141009-113heo.html

    On the upside, at least this article is calling out the blatant hypocrisy of this case, although almost every muttering from the libs is laced with it.

  119. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2014 8:13 am

    Quite sew 😯

  120. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2014 8:17 am

    This sums up perfectly what this miserable mob are trying on with the War on the Budget

  121. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2014 8:18 am

    And our twisted and in-humane priorities

  122. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2014 8:20 am

    But don’t be ALARMED, tony’s here to save the day!

  123. October 10, 2014 8:43 am

    So can anyone guess who the two distinguished gents are at the photo at the top of the page? (No cheating now).

  124. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 10, 2014 8:43 am

    BEAT UP

    ‘Terrorist group Isis may be considering using Ebola as a suicide bio-weapon against the West, according to a military expert.’

    UK Mail

  125. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2014 9:34 am

    I don’t know who they are, but, according to Wiki:

    ‘[They] are an oddity in the artistic world because of their openly conservative political views and their praise for Margaret Thatcher. [One of them] claims never to have been anti-establishment: “you’re not allowed to be Conservative in the art world, of course”, he says. “Left equals good. Art equals Left. Pop stars and artists are meant to be so original. So how come everyone has the same opinion? … We admire Margaret Thatcher greatly. She did a lot for art. Socialism wants everyone to be equal. We want to be different.” The duo are monarchists and have said of the Prince of Wales: “We’re also fond of the Prince of Wales: he’s a gentleman.”‘

  126. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2014 10:00 am

    you’re not allowed to be Conservative in the art world, of course”

    Or, is “conservative” just another name for “talentless hack”?

    Personally, I think “they” are full of shit, or are they just another incarnation of the whinging artist 🙂

    I reckon yomm would like his take on Public Servants though 😉

  127. October 10, 2014 10:19 am

    I thought I said “no cheating” FFS…… *rolls eyes*

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2014 10:47 am

    But, then again, we definitely helped ‘break it’, a decade or so ago.

    Try a couple of centuries ago …

    ========================================

    1. there is no `win`, for team-stupid, or the poor bastards chalked-up as collateral

    All the more reason to play wars remotely … just because ADF members are all given a service number it doesn’t mean they aren’t people any more …

    ========================================

    Its Vietnam all over again…an unattainable victory…

    Tru dat …

    ==========================================

    That’s me on the right. I’ve always said that a man’s suit isn’t complete without a pen.

    Me too, sreb, I generally carry a gold Cross* … 😉 … just for my signature ….

    *true story … 🙂

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2014 10:51 am

    I thought I said “no cheating” FFS…… *rolls eyes*

    What do you expect from a tory ToSY … FFS! *rolls eyes* …

    Didn’t I see a doco on Gilbert and George recently (SBS I think) … ?

  130. October 10, 2014 11:51 am

    That’s me on the right. I’ve always said that a man’s suit isn’t complete without a pen.

    Till they leak 😯
    I had no idea who they were… but I do like the green pea suit and eyeware… However, that is a very poor choice of Tie I feel… does not contrast the ensemble 🙄

  131. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 10, 2014 11:53 am

    An interesting piece on Leftists.

    There is no one that the left hates more than a man who does not hate, who goes through the day without outrage and who does not spend his life stewing with vindictive resentments.

    Leftists call it “privilege” now. They have called it apathy, escapism and a hundred other things.
    ……
    The perpetually aggrieved deeply resent those who are oblivious to their anger. It is the theme that dominates the literature, the music and the political writings of an infuriated left throwing its anger at a mindless mass that is perfectly happy collecting paychecks, living in the suburbs and watching television. It is not their prosperity that the left hates, but their uncomplicated happiness.

    The article is a little overdone but gets the essence of leftism right.

    Leftists are the new Puritans in the sense that HL Mencken described them:

    ‘Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.’

  132. October 10, 2014 11:57 am

    Hilarious.

    Go no further than the nearest rightwing blog to find plenty of examples of ‘outraged’, ‘hateful’ & ‘aggrieved’ rightists.

    I can see why your quotes amuse you, splatter, but they are cookie cutter rubbish which could be easily applied to members of most ‘groups’.

  133. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2014 12:05 pm

    The article is a little overdone

    ya think 😯

    they are cookie cutter rubbish

    a politely political way of putting it tboss 😉

  134. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 10, 2014 12:14 pm

    I would also like to make my usual comment

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE”

  135. Walrus permalink
    October 10, 2014 12:31 pm

    This is an interesting take from a Sydney perspective of the Essendon saga……It kinda sums up the bemusement up here about James Hird

    “I moved from Melbourne to Sydney as a young man in the year 2000.

    Like many Victorians at that time I had only the faintest notion that there was a game called rugby league, and even that put me in the top 10th percentile.

    It was thus apparent that I could not take part in the endless footy conversations that are the primary binding agent of male friendships. As for my cadetship on the AAP sports desk, well forget about it.

    And so I started telling people that I was a South Sydney Rabbitohs supporter, which would immediately hush the debate and result in a comforting arm on my shoulder accompanied by the words: “I’m sorry, mate.”

    But, like most ill-conceived plans, it worked too well. Touched by my sorrow and devotion, the AAP sports editor put his new cub reporter on the Rabbitohs beat and all of a sudden I was bearing witness to the most incredible comeback in Australian sporting history – and one that didn’t even take place on the field.

    Instead it took place on the streets and in courtrooms and boardrooms. But most tellingly it took place in the hearts and minds of tens of thousands of diehard supporters who never gave up hope.

    That steadfast tribal loyalty and unwavering dedication is what I love more than anything about football. And it was that which drove Souths to its sweetest victory of all this week.

    Unfortunately my other football team is Essendon, and while the Souths were covering themselves in glory, the Bombers were covering themselves in a rather less auspicious substance.

    At the centre of it is James Hird, who has gone from being Essendon’s favourite son to its likely destroyer. If Essendon is Rome, then Hird is Caesar.

    Like Caesar, Hird appears prepared to lay waste to the world purely to defend his pride, an ethereal yet all-pervasive concept the Romans called dignitas.

    And, like Caesar, Hird appears convinced that this is far more important than the lives or livelihoods of the mere mortals that surround him.

    But there is one critical difference: Caesar was a populist; he had the people on his side – at least the ones carrying the swords.

    Hird’s armies, on the other hand, have deserted him. He now stands alone in a battle that nobody wants him to fight.

    In Roman times, when a triumphant general was paraded through the streets being hailed as a god a slave would be made to whisper in his ear: “Remember you are mortal…”

    Sadly the masters at Essendon seem to lack a slave’s courage. And as the people of South Sydney know, it is the mortals who truly win wars, not the gods who preside over them. ………”

    By Joe Hildebrand

    Printed in Rupert’s Daily Terror

  136. October 10, 2014 1:18 pm

    Nils is rimming him cently with his usual predictable drivel of delusional dogma of diarrhea diorama … as usual he has fuckk all , nada zip…You didn’t earn Tony’s troll lucre this week did ya squeal…

    Toilet is talking sense as is Tom R..

    and Walrus has returned to planet earth….

    Walrus..do ya think that bloke on lateline may just be in the wrong line of work? It was actually a public beheading of sorts 🙂

  137. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 10, 2014 1:33 pm

    I should say, T Boss, that most here do not fall completely within that description of leftist. But there is certain relentlessness to the committed idealogue. If the government decides to help the Yazidis and other victims of Islamic State it takes about a nanosecond for someone to start yelping “But what about Mexico!”

    I would also agree that, while miserabilism is a leftist specialty, no doubt there are humourless conservatives about. But generally conservatives are <a href="http://www.salon.com/2012/07/16/conservatism_makes_you_happy/"happier than leftists.

  138. October 10, 2014 1:42 pm

    Looks like Abbott’s “plan” is having the desired effect….

    “Dozens of anti-Muslim attacks as Islamic leaders warn of community fear”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/dozens-of-antimuslim-attacks-as-islamic-leaders-warn-of-community-fear-20141009-113tmk.html#ixzz3FhpyYzgL

  139. Tom R permalink
    October 10, 2014 2:25 pm

    No wonder tabot is ” frustrated and angry”. He and his ilk have for a long time had unfettered reign as “preachers of hate”. Now they have competition, and so they are going to try and deal with it as they try and deal with all other competition, silence it.

    Why should they share the pulpit with fly ins?

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/stringent-laws-create-new-terrors-20141009-113f8x.html

  140. Meta permalink
    October 10, 2014 4:30 pm

    (We’re saving ourselves, obviously; because guns don’t kill people, insurgents with guns kill people; and because doing more or less than nothing to discharge a responsibility to protect civilian populations being entrained as armed combatants isn’t an option…

    “But in the mid-2000s, Moore said, the agency started to use something it officially called a “pseudo-LOA,” with weaker end-use monitoring requirements, to keep the arms flowing into Iraq quickly.”

    Which brings me back to quasi-responding to El G and to SB.

    I’m just not seeing how protecting civilians as civilians is furthered by (un)radically weaponising those people, nor how a universal responsibility to protect, by any and all of the (dis)organized participants, is being discharged, in that respect or more generally. Considered remotely, it perhaps looks more like a collective, even systemic, failure and surreptitious shirking, despite the aggrandstandardizing and muted manichean sentimentalities; and ultimately, the (re)iterative will to warring, itself, might be the singularly defining constant of an ongoing greater crime against humanity; and one in which ‘we’ are actively participating, by choice and by character. But, and arguably, that’s where a cultivated appreciation for ‘enemies’, a lack of resolve not to join in, a failure to remember that all people are people, perceived ‘friends’ and ‘enemies’ alike, leads: somewhere other than peace-seeking.

    Which is to say, allowing a militarized mindset to define a role for civilians, or for a civilian government undertaking a humanitarian mission (with or without military elements), has things arse-about, imo; and justifications for helping(-but-not-really) civilians (to help themselves), by readily converting those very civilian populations into potential (armed) combatants rather than actually affording them protection, by their government (didn’t happen), by a coalition of the concerned (didn’t happen), is symptomatic of that defect(ion).

    Then again, and going over some other old ground earlier touched upon, that’s perhaps the beauty of George’s and Barry’s contributions on behalf of a nation of peace, with interests absolutely everywhere.

    And, a very similar (false-oppositional) dynamic might be, and almost certainly is, being played out at home, with subtle lowerings of thresholds (in)distinguishing between friend and foe; yer either with Team Australia and/or mission-critical pervasive civil rights curtailments and the best budget evah or….)

  141. October 10, 2014 5:20 pm

    ” a failure to remember that all people are people, perceived ‘friends’ and ‘enemies’ alike, leads: somewhere other than peace-seeking.”

    Amen! [not a word I’d use frivolously]

  142. October 10, 2014 5:24 pm

    “And, a very similar (false-oppositional) dynamic might be, and almost certainly is, being played out at home, with subtle lowerings of thresholds (in)distinguishing between friend and foe; yer either with Team Australia and/or mission-critical pervasive civil rights curtailments and the best budget evah or….)”

    …or you aren’t quite so easily ‘had’.

    Most certainly is.

  143. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 10, 2014 6:17 pm

    Here is my theory, Meta.

    1. International Law is bullshit. The only law worth talking about is law that is backed up by force. The rule of the gun.

    2. The only real advance in recent centuries has been to give the gun to a popularly elected government. Many countries haven’t even got that far. In those countries the people with the guns are not nice. Even popularly elected governments will be aggressive if they think that the people want that.

    3. So far the West has survived because it has bigger guns. It will not continue to do so if that ceases to be the case.

    4. Since WWII that has meant the US. Europe has not kept up military expenditure in the hope that the US will protect it. This means that the US has spent more than its share on arming itself. But Europe can afford better welfare.

    5. The US is getting sick of paying for military expenditure and the US intelligentsia hates the idea of US hegemony. Obama is merely reflecting this in his foreign policy.

    6. International relations is a bit like the relations among primitive tribes. If you are confronted with a superior threat you can try to convince your enemey it would be too costly to attack you, or you can retreat and give up territory, or pay tribute. The best position to be in is to be strong enough to deter enemies and, if they dont get the message, to kill them.

    7. Ask Ukraine about this. They gave up nuclear weapons for NATO promises.

    8. Nobody believes the US has the will to fight anymore, either to protect its allies or anyone else. That means other countries and entities will do what they think they can get away with. Russia’s done it. China is flexing. And smaller entities like Islamic State or Boko Haram or al Shabbab are trying on a smaller scale.

    9. Talking about international law or R2P is absolutely useless. Countries will only engage in that when they see some important collateral benefit, which may include popularity for the leader.

    10. World government is not the answer and won’t be anytime soon – just look at the Dictators Club at the UN General Assembly.

    11. At the moment the best we can hope for is that the West wakes up to itself and decides to ensure it is strong enough to deter totalitarians and barbarians, and, if necessary, kill them off. People like Chomsky won’t give a shit because they believe the real barabarians are the West. They will just weep and wring their clammy hands as such tenouous human freedoms as have been developed to date are supplanted by a more violent and primitive society.

  144. Meta permalink
    October 10, 2014 6:36 pm

    (That seems a reasonably fair recount of the many contradictions of the standard theory of global interrelations, to this Earthian at least, SB.)

  145. Tony permalink
    October 10, 2014 6:41 pm

    ZOMFG! I’ve just noticed the CO2 thread is no more.

  146. October 10, 2014 7:00 pm

    ” International relations is a bit like the relations among primitive tribes. If you are confronted with a superior threat you can try to convince your enemey it would be too costly to attack you, or you can retreat and give up territory, or pay tribute. The best position to be in is to be strong enough to deter enemies and, if they dont get the message, to kill them.”

    Yes, I think we all understand the real motivations & consequences. I just hate that the actual rationalisations are hidden behind moral facades. I prefer intellectual honesty…even if it is relatively unworkable when it clashes with real politik.

    I still say the domestic threat is being wanked up to allow the passing of all sorts of other insidious Big Government Privacy Invasion without proper scrutiny & little recognition of the longer term implications for citizen joe.
    For instance, what happens if there is a (shock, horror) Islamic majority, big enough to win the popular vote here & form government one day? They then can go about instituting backwardsarsed regressive implementation of their agenda & claim that their invasive powers are ‘legal’. Not to mention corporate exploitation of such a huge data net.

    The world needs Chomsky et al. It would be dangerous to have everyone believing every utterance and assurance of their ‘team’, coz the good guys act like good guys even when they’re manipulating their Ivory Tower agenda. Someone has to hold ‘us’ to account as well. The best way to do that is to watch & critique our motives, interests and words balanced against our actions.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    October 10, 2014 7:08 pm

    Toillette … just lost my bloody comment on your post for me, BTW thanks cobber … I will address it later …

    As for the SB rant … I thought it was the left who were aggressive and wanted to fight everyone?

    If you want the ADF and the US forces and any Allied person to fight FOR you … you will need to treat them with far more respect than toy soldiers who march (and die) at your command …

    As Toillette’s , link above tells you … we don’t treat Diggers with respect (in fact they are used and abused) oh, the irony …

  148. October 10, 2014 7:12 pm

    5. is incorrect splatter, which really effects the rest of ya`points.

    Teh-usa is basically held hostage to the weapons industry, has been since ww2.

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 10, 2014 10:41 pm

    It’s great that Malala Yousafzai won the Nobel Peace Prize.

    The victim of an organised, popular movement that shoots a 15 year old girl because she supports education for children.

    Savages.

  150. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 10, 2014 11:11 pm

    ‘ZOMFG! I’ve just noticed the CO2 thread is no more.’

    On a need to know basis, its better we don’t know. These days I hang out at Watts and Nova as el gordo and Marohasy as egg. Good gigs with lots of satire and intelligent scientific conversation.

  151. October 10, 2014 11:29 pm

    So dumpty, they`ve all let you out of the sin-bin huh.?

  152. October 11, 2014 12:35 am

    Good gigs with lots of satire and intelligent scientific conversation.

    Well that rules you out 🙄

  153. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 11, 2014 9:36 am

    If I’ve told you once I’ve told you a thousand times, I’m a straight man and chase satire to get a laugh.

    In the science category I get to converse with some amazing brains and discuss where we are heading. In regards to the science its pretty much settled.

    As you may already know the Greens are being marginalised and some of you might want to consider your futures. I’ll be around to help Trash staff make the transition and will take questions from the floor.

  154. October 11, 2014 9:55 am

    Egg you have a vagina that would accommodate a bullet train and shit for brains…

    Satire requires two essential components of which you are vacuously devoid
    intelligence and wit…

    Satire is not an instrument of denial deceit. You are neither funny or tolerable.

    The only question from the floor of trash delivered with a metaphoric shower of rancid tomatoes is a unanimous chorus of
    “when are you gonna fuck off troll” 🙄

  155. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 11, 2014 10:04 am

    I have a modicum of intelligence.

  156. October 11, 2014 11:20 am

    “I get to converse with some amazing brains”

    I wonder how they feel in return.

  157. October 11, 2014 11:21 am

    The only question from the floor of trash delivered with a metaphoric shower of rancid tomatoes is a unanimous chorus of
    “when are you gonna fuck off troll”

    Many guffaws! 😆

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2014 11:24 am

    Either we are at war with radical IS Muslims or not …

    Make yer fkn mind up Prime Minister!

    http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/radical-muslim-cleric-ismail-alwahwah-tells-supporters-a-new-world-order-is-coming/story-fnii5s3x-1227086878686

    Mr Abbott has called Hizb ut-Tahrir “un-Australian”.

    Un-Australian FFS! Don’t we have sedition laws introduced by the Howard government? Use the fkn things!

  159. October 11, 2014 11:36 am

    Indeed.

    Fuck their Fable Fundamentalism, with its disturbing outlooks on non-believers & insistence on conformity.

    So, we’re wasting time & money in the ME (again) [not to mention disimproving the lives of the plebs in that part of the world (again)]…while also stirring up the radical fuckheads here. Well played Prime Fearsquirter, aided and abetted by a servile Opposition, too timid to break ranks on opportunist liberty curtailing ‘tewwa’.

  160. October 11, 2014 11:39 am

    What even is ‘Australian’ though?

    I’m pretty sure that, by contemporarily broad & barely defined standards, plenty of my comments would be considered un-Australian (and fucking proud of it, I might add).

    Difference is, I’d never presume to inflict my worldview (which is sensibly grounded in reality, rather than dogmatic moral mythology) on anyone else.

  161. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 11, 2014 12:25 pm

    By saying ‘un australian’ Abbott is trying to avoid tearing the multicultural social fabric.

    Toilet what do your workmates think of your views?

  162. October 11, 2014 1:02 pm

    Interesting question, I suppose.

    I’ve never worried much about it. I tend to be professionally diplomatic at work, bearing in mind that I spend a lot of time with a core group of shiftworkers; so cooperative harmony is important.
    Most of them are very OiOiOi! oriented, but don’t look into politicking too deeply, so generally just assimilate what you’d expect of anyone who catches a glimpse of superficial newsbytes. They’re more concerned with their day to day lives outside of work.
    My comments to most of them are cynical about politics in general & certainly not aligned to any single Party or ideology, so I guess they listen to me but don’t come away thinking that I’m easy to argue with or pigeonhole. That is probably how I prefer it and I’d say there is mutual respect which comes with knowing people well over a period of time.

    Funnily 95% of them think religion is a bigger load of horseshit than I do, so ridiculing that is comfortable & amusing.

    I don’t need to have congruent opinions with people to enjoy their company. In fact, a couple of the guys I spend a bit of time with outside of work are sorta politically opposite to me. It doesn’t matter, we have plenty of other stuff in common & have a lot of fun. It’s easy to tell when there’s no point trying to convince someone differently, and as I said, I’d never presume to inflict my worldview on anyone else.
    If asked directly, I will certainly answer honestly; without attempting to rub their nose in it.

    I think the fact that most of them have grown up here & never lived outside of the region influences their politics somewhat.
    The people who’ve lived away or travelled a bit generally have broader horizons.
    I don’t judge them either way.

    The ‘National Security’ crap plays well with most, but not too many are enamoured with Coalition IR zealotry or other Ivory Tower misdeeds.

  163. October 11, 2014 1:06 pm

    “By saying ‘un australian’ Abbott is trying to avoid tearing the multicultural social fabric.”

    I agree that he’s having to walk a delicate line at the moment, but he painted himself into that corner.
    My main gripe is that a lot of the new laws are pure opportunist overreach which will be with us forever, and as TB alluded, I’m sure existing laws could be used to negate genuine threats.

    I hate terms like unAustralian, because they are loaded & insubstantial. Fuck having to ‘fit in’, beyond basic conformance to law & civility.

  164. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 11, 2014 1:22 pm

    ‘I’d say there is mutual respect which comes with knowing people well over a period of time.’

    That is exactly true, we tend to modify our thinking to accommodate the situation, whether at work or with extended family and friends. A necessary part of our survival mechanism.

    ‘I hate terms like unAustralian’

    Its glib to us, but what do you think the wave upon wave of new immigrants think?

  165. October 11, 2014 3:23 pm

    I’m not sure. Everyone is different in their own ways. I’m definitely not in favour of segregated society within society.

    “That is exactly true, we tend to modify our thinking to accommodate the situation, whether at work or with extended family and friends. A necessary part of our survival mechanism.”

    Yes, if we verbalised every thought in our brainbox we’d struggle to get along with most people. You can be honest without having to speak an essay about your opinions. Social lubricant is just as much about knowing when not to say things as it is about what is said.
    All part of the joys & downfalls of cohabitation & cooperation, I guess.

  166. TB Queensland permalink
    October 11, 2014 7:22 pm

    Yes, if we verbalised every thought in our brainbox we’d struggle to get along with most people.

    And I do … thanks for the analysis …

  167. October 11, 2014 7:27 pm

    dunny @October 11, 2014 1:02 pm

    yeah l agree dunny, that`s a pretty good description of most places around the country, and even when l struck the odd political fanboy/girl asking my about what l think of X-party, l used to reply, ”’Nah, they`re all a bunch of dishonest dickheads and aint worth wasting my time on.””’ That used to end any attempt of `conversion`. 🙂

  168. October 11, 2014 7:38 pm

    ” thanks for the analysis ”

    ?

    Was only my personal observations, TB, with no one here in mind.

  169. October 11, 2014 7:42 pm

    For instance, I’m quite happy to discuss ‘contentious’ issues with you, even ones I know we don’t agree upon, primarily because I recognise that we can have that discussion, agree to disagree & still be mutually respectful afterwards.
    Some people just can’t handle a difference of opinion. I tend not to bait them if I have to deal with them face to face on a daily basis (but not always- if they shit me enough, they will be told).

  170. Tony permalink
    October 11, 2014 8:36 pm

    Personally, I think you should hate everyone with whom you disagree, and use namecalling and labelling as weapons. Teabagz exemplifies this ideal.

  171. October 11, 2014 9:00 pm

    When it comes to starting the ad-hom`s, Tinfoil`osy is serving himself a double helping of pot-kettle-black hypocrisy, don`t eat it too fast.
    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/09/29/one-third-of-australias-largest-companies-pay-less-than-10%c2%a2-in-the-dollar-in-tax/

  172. Tony permalink
    October 11, 2014 9:12 pm

    It’s time you pull up stumps, moron.

  173. October 11, 2014 9:41 pm

    “”Some people just can’t handle a difference of opinion. “”

    This is true.

    I was going to add that that describes me in some situations, but I think the reality is that I can’t handle abject stupidity, especially when it comes to so-called “christianity”.

    Why some people still believe in all that bullshit is beyond me, least of all those who think that others should also subscribe to their “beliefs” too.

    Coincidentally we’ve been invited to a wedding in December…

    At the the Hillsong Church.

    You can imagine my reaction when I read where the venue was.

  174. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 11, 2014 9:46 pm

    ‘I’m definitely not in favour of segregated society within society.’

    Nor me, the less of that the better, which is what Abbott also wants to avoid and all the state premiers support his approach.

    ‘Social lubricant is just as much about knowing when not to say things as it is about what is said.’

    That’s true.

    ‘Some people just can’t handle a difference of opinion.’

    Yeah, I get a lot of flack because of my eccentric views, which are outside the accepted norm. Ad homs are fashionable is some quarters, but I’ll have to take the brunt of that for the time being.

    TB has occasionally mentioned that history may repeat itself and I agree with the sentiment, but it has nought to do with war.

    Technological progress is part and parcel of the human condition and I posit that Australia has the opportunity to duplicate what happened in America during the latter part of the 19th century.

  175. October 11, 2014 9:55 pm

    “”I get a lot of flack because of my eccentric views,””

    No, you get a lot of flack cos you’re an attention seeking troll.

  176. October 11, 2014 9:55 pm

    Exhibit A:

    “Technological progress is part and parcel of the human condition”

  177. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 11, 2014 10:08 pm

    ‘Support Progress. I use a capital ‘P’ in order to stress that there is such a thing. It happens through human imagination, ingenuity and engineering. As Engels pointed out long ago, humans are distinguished from all other animals in that we can create what we can imagine.

    ‘Harmony with Nature – Sustainability – have never been part of the left’s lexicon. Marxists believe in unleashing the productive forces through the further mastery of Nature and through freeing research and production from the social relations imposed by capital. This is the opposite of the ‘green’ world outlook.’

    C21st Left

  178. October 11, 2014 10:18 pm

    #agree,(and add)””the reality is that”’#WE””can’t handle abject stupidity, especially when it comes to so-called””dog-clubs, or copy`n`paste from clap-trap outfits like teh-ipa, Limited-News and team-stupid.

  179. October 11, 2014 10:31 pm

    ”””’TB has occasionally mentioned that history may repeat itself and I agree with the sentiment,”””’

    #true, l have a similar/same pov

    ”””’but it has nought to do with war.”””’

    #shows what an imbecile you truly are dumpty, you would do ya`self a much greater favor of reading much, much more, and quacking much, much less 🙂

  180. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 11, 2014 10:32 pm

    ‘No, you get a lot of flack cos you’re an attention seeking troll.’

    He’s not on his own. The other one turns into a sook more often though.

  181. October 12, 2014 12:14 am

    On a different note why am I able to watch the Russian F1 Grand Prix in the next hour?

    How good are Obamas sanctions ?

    Biz as usual.

    FMD

  182. October 12, 2014 12:37 am

    The wonders of living in a corporatocracy l guess blubbers, why would ya`think obamas `sanctions` would be any better than georgeWs-oil-weapons-industry sanctions, or johnWs-AWBs sanctions.?

  183. October 12, 2014 12:50 am

    ”””””””””the WMD, BS, and lied via Colin Powell (who was furious that he’d been conned) in the UN!””””””””’

    the last l saw of Powell, he was playing the role of `furious` for sure, tho l`m not totally convinced he wasn`t in on the wmd bullshit in the beginning, he has been missing from the pbs-yank news they show here on sbs1 for quite a while

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2014 10:07 am

    How good are Obamas sanctions ?

    You don’t think they’d affect The Robber Barons at play do ya, Wally … how long does it take for you to learn?

    And the twisted Putin illogic only exacerbates the problem for ordinary citizens …

  185. October 12, 2014 1:36 pm

    A visit from Big Tones has em showing their true colours.

    Proud to be bigots, apparently.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/anti-gay-marriage-move-by-tas-libs/story-e6frfku9-1227087892529

  186. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 12, 2014 3:58 pm

    Good taste means disliking Brisbane, but I don’t mind Monday or Friday meetings there- that means a weekend in Noosa.

    I think there’s quite a lot of people from Brisbane here-
    * Over tanned bottle blondes
    * Old blokes with shirts tucked into their shorts, with socks and sandals (what’s TB doing this weekend?)
    * Fat youngsters
    * Mid life crisis 55yo blokes on Harleys.

  187. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 12, 2014 4:55 pm

    Tbagz: “5. is incorrect splatter, which really effects the rest of ya`points.

    Teh-usa is basically held hostage to the weapons industry, has been since ww2.”

    My point 5 was: “5. The US is getting sick of paying for military expenditure and the US intelligentsia hates the idea of US hegemony. Obama is merely reflecting this in his foreign policy. “

    I agree that the defense industry lobby is very strong (I thought about mentioning it but it really is irrelevant to the point I was making).

    I think the majority of Americans (not everyone, but most) would like to spend less on the military. While people can argue endlessly over numbers, it seems that in real terms the US has cut its military expenditure recently:

    The fall in the global total comes from decreases in Western countries, led by the United States, and despite increases in all other regions. In fact, military spending in the rest of the world excluding the USA increased by 1.8 per cent.

    More to the point, Obama’s foreign policy has been more about talking to potential enemies and not projecting US military power. For example, the US did not honour its treaty obligations with Poland and Czechoslovakia to install missile defense systems in those countries and hit the ‘reset button’ with Russia. I don’t think that was a success. Also the threats to Syria about crossing a line with chemical weapons didn’t work – the line was crossed and the threat was empty and a face-saving compromise was entered into. Further, the US has reduced its sanctions against Iran with little to show for it. I doubt that will end well either.

    From what I read, there is a dislike of US hegemony in intellectual circles and US foreign policy does reflect this.

  188. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 12, 2014 5:01 pm

    I have always wondered about this:

  189. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2014 5:27 pm

    * Old blokes with shirts tucked into their shorts, with socks and sandals (what’s TB doing this weekend?)

    Innuendo?

    If I told you … I’d have to dispose of you … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have always wondered about this:

    😯 WTF for?

    From what I read, there is a dislike of US hegemony in intellectual circles and US foreign policy does reflect this.

    And reading your comments above … you don’t …

    Wally and you keep on saying that “left” brained* people are aggressive …

    … and yet if you read comments from people who are supposedly in those left/right “camps” – but particularly the ones that occasionally swap sides – you’d swear that it was those “right” brained folk who were the tally-ho, let’s go to war types …

    Just sayin’ …

  190. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2014 5:28 pm

    ToM, I really mean – innuendo!

  191. October 12, 2014 8:47 pm

    Hey! Here’s an idea…let’s ideologically rewrite the National Curriculum to include more flagsturbation & ““more emphasis on morals, values and spirituality and better recognition of the contribution of western civilisation, our Judeo-Christian heritage”.

    They haven’t mentioned it, but maybe they’re also thinking of less silly science & more creationism.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/12/school-curriculum-is-overcrowded-and-neglects-western-heritage-review-finds

  192. October 12, 2014 8:50 pm

    This backwardsarsed & unnerving quote is from one of the authors of the ‘report’…

    “When I was at school, for example, every Monday morning at assembly we neatly lined up in rows, saluted the flag and sang God save the Queen.
    With our hands on our hearts children would then recite the oath of allegiance and promise to “cheerfully obey my parents, teachers and the law”. The world map on the back of our workbooks was covered in red, proving that the sun never set on the British Commonwealth.
    Fast-forward to Al Grasby and the Whitlam government in the early 1970s when multiculturalism was born and everything began to change. Against the background of Vietnam moratoriums and the counter-culture movement, what Geoffrey Blainey described as the “three cheers view” of history became superfluous and representative of a bygone era.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-to-teach-what-it-means-to-be-australian-20140924-10labb.html

    Dinosaurs in charge.

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2014 9:10 pm

    Toillette,

    Heads up, TB!

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/10/below-inflation-pay-deal-for-australian-defence-force-slammed-as-outrageous

    I did say I would address this link …

    Binskin told ADF members it was “a fair and reasonable pay rise in the context of the government’s financial position and the clear need for wage restraint”.

    “As you will be aware we are in an economic and budgetary climate where government has indicated the need for managed reduction in costs, of which pay is a part, across the federal public sector,” he wrote in his email.

    Binskin said the ADF provided “a unique service to the nation” but it “must operate within the government’s wage framework when considering any remuneration package”.

    He also signalled some changes to leave arrangements.

    “One of the things we will offer up is one of the CDF [chief of the defence force] approved leave days over the Christmas period,” he said. “Another is the removal of extra recreation leave (ERL) provisions.

    I have no idea who Binskin is but he’s obviously hell bent on a political career with the LNP!

    Inflation is running at 3% now and this turkey not only wants to “support” a reduction in pay but a reduction in leave … my son served in E Timor for 11 months – with two days leave … in Darwin … his wife and son were in Townsville …

    “Offering up” leave entitlements?

    ADF members are on 24/7 call FFS! Offering up means sacrificing family time for members … weasel words …

    This says it all …

    Professionals Australia, which represents engineers and scientists in civilian defence roles, described the offer to uniformed personnel as “outrageous”.

    The Greens leader, Christine Milne, said Australians would find the decision to be “shocking and appalling”.

    “I’ve always had a view that governments of all persuasions are prepared to commit Australian troops to war but they’ve never been prepared to commit the level of resources that are necessary to look after them when they come home,” Milne said.

    The assistant defence minister, Stuart Robert, said negotiations had been “complex”.

    Never thought I’d agree absolutely with Senator Milne!

    “Negotiations” … with whom? The wannabe pollie running the ADF!

    Robert said the “agreed commonwealth position” would ensure salary increases for more than 70,000 ADF permanent force and reserve members from 6 November.

    Get that? We have TOTAL of regular and reserve ADF members of 70,000 … not all frontline (eg boots and rifles – having said that ADF members are all combat trained first and specialist second) … 30,000 troops have served in Afghanistan over the last 12 years … do the numbers … it means that many have served in that theatre more than once … troops get weary and stressed …

    Binskin acknowledged in his email that personnel may be disappointed. “I know that some of you will believe this increase does not properly acknowledge the job you do,” he wrote.

    “However, as I noted earlier, this proposal must be viewed in the context of the broader economic situation. I am of the view given the circumstances, this is a fair and reasonable offer and is as good an outcome as I can negotiate in the current climate.”

    What absolute, political claptrap … SIR Peter Cosgrove should be shivering in his GG shoes!

    Mutiny anyone?

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2014 9:24 pm

    Toillette,

    Kevin Donnelly is a Senior Research Fellow at the Australian Catholic University and he recently co-chaired the review of the Australian national curriculum.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/01/10/national-curriculum-review-who-kevin-donnelly

    And as you know … my quals are in androgogy (compared to pedagogy – little difference) but based in competency based learning … “teachers” resist CBL because it often highlights the lack of skill, knowledge and application of the learning facilitator … not necessarily the learner …

    If I can develop competencies for a Diploma in Ikebana, I’m pretty sure I could do it for Australian and /or World history …

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    October 12, 2014 10:24 pm

    My bit …

    And as you know … my quals are in androgogy (compared to pedagogy – little difference) but based in competency based learning … “teachers” resist CBL because it often highlights the lack of skill, knowledge and application of the learning facilitator … not necessarily the learner …

    If I can develop competencies for a Diploma in Ikebana, I’m pretty sure I could do it for Australian and /or World history …

  196. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 12, 2014 11:21 pm

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2014/10/11/politics-one-term-wonders/14129460001096#.VDpua8k_7qA

    “…There is one general rule about weak and struggling right-wing governments: the formula that served them well for decades no longer works…”

  197. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 13, 2014 9:46 am

    Inane hall on inane hall:

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/10/08/so-you-say-you-want-revolution

  198. October 13, 2014 10:24 am

    Hard to argue with Iain’s piece.

    He actually makes good sense.

    I can’t believe they let him do it, but he certainly didn’t abuse the privilege.

  199. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2014 11:42 am

    Hard to argue with Iain’s piece.

    Not so sure about that, Toillette …

    Maybe he wrote the “article” because he’s been booted from so many blogs he’s becoming desperate, or realising his wankery doesn’t work and is just fishing with another bait?

    Do leopards change their spots?

    Indicative that, Inane, starts with Mao is famously quoted as insisting that “all power comes from the barrel of a gun”.

    I’m not a big fan of Shakespeare … but he also said, “the pen is mightier than the sword” … a few hundred years before Inane repeats it so long windedly …

    And Inane being a right whinger should check out a few of Winston’s “(in)famous” sayings some of them have some serious “contraindications” if you look deeper …

    “The victor writes history” (eg anything goes) – is a classic … or … “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” (dictatorship by the Robber Barons is preferable ’cause they know better – born to rule)

    Inane, ends with … In the end we all want to change the world, we all want to see the plan, but you need to do more than carry pictures of Chairman Mao if you want to make it with anyone.

    I don’t want to change the world … Inane may, but why be all inclusive – “we all want” – no we don’t? Most of us just want an honest, competent government working for the people of Australia … that’s not a plan that’s a fkn dream at the moment …

    And for, Inane’s info – only 30% of the working population are what is termed “upwardly mobile” … the remaining 70% are quite happy with where they are in life/work …

    In fact I read that article twice … having read shite from Inane for a number of years, I’d put money on it being edited (slashed and burnt!) by someone with more than a modicum of political balance … too mature …

    But Inane’s slip, did slip in … he really wants to change everyone to a right-wing “follower of fashion” … (just to play with the 1960’s music theme …) and still thinks that anyone ag’in him is a Mao follower …

    Still Inane’s always good for a giggle …

    Just sayin’

  200. October 13, 2014 11:47 am

    Iain Hall always has been and always will be a prize fuckwit.

    #nuffsaid

  201. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 13, 2014 11:52 am

    I disagree with Iain about the “snarky comments”.

    There is a place in the blogoshphere for passionate argument regarding matters we care about. In fact I find that precisely because I care about particular matters I can get white-hot while reading some comments and fire off an intemperate or colourful riposte. This is part of the fun. We would be very much poorer without, for example, Bed Pann’s rants.

    One important point is that the colourful language must be accompanied by reasoned argument. Otherwise the ranter loses the argument and their reply is less effective than it might otherwise be.

    This blog is a stellar example of a place full of robust discussion and where a wide variety of views are aired.

    Obviously their are stylistic differences. Some prefer a subtle aside, others a colourful analogy laced with alliteration or unusual imagery. Personally I enjoy a stream of scabrous, scatalogical scorn.

    There is much to be said for expressing matters frankly and putting them in stark contradistinction to opposing views. It cuts to the heart of the matter and highlights the main points of difference. The Greeks had a name for this – Scythian Discourse – named after the Scythian, Anacharsis: “Anacharsis was noted for the frankness of his speech. This irreverent directness became known as Scythian discourse.”

    Then we have the troll. Trolls should be ignored. It deprives them of the attention they seek. This is particularly true of Iain’s comments. Fortunately, this blog is blessed with a master of the art. A measure of his skill is that, despite my best intentions, he gets under my skin enough to elicit a reply.

    I don’t fancy a blog where everyone is always well-mannered. It is much better to let the human emotions flow.

    Iain has a very nasty back-story, particularly his outing of Jeremy Sear in a way which interfered with Jeremy’s employment.

    In my humble opinion, if you like Iain Hall you are a cunt and if you are Iain Hall you are a double cunt.

  202. October 13, 2014 1:02 pm

    Haha! Excellent.

    I just read the last three comments here & I agree with them all, for the most part.

    Glad to know I’m not a cunt, btw.

    Maybe Inane was just trying to channel traffic to his sandpit litter tray?

    On first read, I thought he was being overly accommodating, but I think TB is probably right about his tendencies writhing just below the surface.
    I’m still rather astonished that the blog (which I’m unfamiliar with) afforded him such a platform. As noted, he’d be far more used to being banned than ‘promoted’.

    I do well recall that he is indeed a ‘prize fuckwit’ & I’m also very aware of his guerrilla blogging history.

    I also agree that the piece has someone else’s editorial fingerprints all over it. Inane’s grammar & diction was never that good.

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2014 1:05 pm

    SB! O_o Guffaw!

  204. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2014 1:09 pm

    BTW sreb … that’s Fuckwit©

    Just sayin’ …

    And while we are here, do you really like these frigging smileys? Are they compulsory at WordPress?

    Just askin’

  205. October 13, 2014 1:15 pm

    “Do leopards change their spots?”

    No, I don’t think they do.

  206. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 13, 2014 1:21 pm

    “just to play with the 1960’s music theme”

    The great Billy Bragg re-worked the Kink’s memorable line in his song “Accident Waiting To Happen” as follows:

    “You’re a dedicated swallower of fascism”

  207. October 13, 2014 1:38 pm

    “You’re a dedicated swallower of fascism”

    Chortle….

  208. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2014 1:50 pm

    Chuckle! Top stuff, sb!

    Doesn’t quite work for timing BTW – extra syllable … very clever nonetheless …

  209. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2014 4:17 pm

    Meet the posers …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/russian-president-vladimir-putin-should-not-be-attending-g20-summit-in-brisbane-says-bill-shorten/story-fncynjr2-1227088828573

    Someone should send these bumblers a copy of The Art of War before they mouth off too much ..

  210. October 13, 2014 6:42 pm

    Indeed…

  211. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 13, 2014 6:54 pm

    Not a bad effort from Iain.

  212. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 13, 2014 7:08 pm

    ‘One important point is that the colourful language must be accompanied by reasoned argument. Otherwise the ranter loses the argument and their reply is less effective than it might otherwise be.’

    Agree, spiteful ad homs lacking intellectual substance are no fun. I’ve hung around here for years just for a laugh and interesting discussion with a talented bunch of larrikins. Its unique, but now that I’m getting out more I see opportunity everywhere, to debate and argue the toss.

  213. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 13, 2014 7:12 pm

    ‘Then we have the troll. Trolls should be ignored. It deprives them of the attention they seek.’

    What constitutes a troll?

  214. October 13, 2014 7:34 pm

    “Agree, spiteful ad homs lacking intellectual substance are no fun.”

    So why do you keep resorting to them then?

  215. October 13, 2014 7:34 pm

    “now that I’m getting out more I see opportunity everywhere”

    Excellent. Feel free to get out even more.

  216. October 13, 2014 7:53 pm

    A new low in Journalism… Sharri Markson supported by Miranda Divine…

    That’s my School that pathetic fucking sycophant is talking about. So what they are insinuating is any critical thinking should be disregarded and we should accept Mudocracy as truth. The contemptuous insult to my intelligence is extraordinarily arrogant and transparent. Another barrow pushing cheerleader for the neocon agenda labeling everyone who questions the faux propaganda of the fiberal donation fraternity as leftist… A new low in the destruction of journalistic integrity where the delusional columnist parrots compliant propaganda masquerading as journalism.

    You may notice Murdoch is very selective about propaganda not being behond the Paywall in the paper he lossed money on to gain influence…

    http://m.theaustralian.com.au/media/uni-degrees-in-indoctrination/story-e6frg996-1227088176478

    Attacking academics …

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/wendy-bacon-and-comrades-lay-into-sharri-markson-on-twitter/story-e6frg6zo-1227045536305

    http://junkee.com/the-australians-media-editor-goes-undercover-at-uni-is-outraged-that-media-degrees-are-teaching-media-students-about-the-media/43081

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/10/13/note-to-sharri-students-arent-passive-information-sponges/

  217. October 13, 2014 8:20 pm

    Pardon my language, but “shirtfront” means ‘our’ Prime Minister is a demonstrably dumb cunt who should probably think before he postures up to entities which could tear him (and, by proxy ‘us’) a new arsehole…

    http://www.news.com.au/national/prime-minister-tony-abbotts-vow-to-shirtfront-russian-president-vladimir-putin/story-fncynjr2-1227089247947

  218. October 13, 2014 8:20 pm

    Hard to argue with Iain’s piece.
    He actually makes good sense.
    I can’t believe they let him do it, but he certainly didn’t abuse the privilege.

    Oh fuck that is priceless… The guy doesn’t work and has never worked in the media. The closest thing he has come to a paper is buying one…Apart from writing comments in his own low run blog, what experience and expertise does he call on for his observations? Collecting a Benefit for a crook back and working illegally at the local pizza joint?

    Nice try..start off with a historical quote and prattle on about the state of play?
    His argument has one big gaping black hole in it….
    Lies.
    When a media proprietor owns most of the media in the country and a political party want to call their “lies in self regulation” to task with a multiplatform assault for political and financial gain

    Exhibit 1
    880 million dollar tax bill

    Exhibit 2
    NBN co.. delivering content strait editing suits of content providers to the lounge room at 4K definition bypassing his global network….

    Then the habitual readers of the rag they are pushing absorb the lies of columnists mistaking the word for reporting in a blur of “if its in print on tele it must be true.. Bolt, Shriss Mitchell and Divine are not a Journalists he is a columnist

    Hall is a self serving fuckwit… Its very easy to argue with his article because
    1 He has never worked in or studied media
    2 He does exactly the opposite of what he says

    like egg he is a polerising troll.

  219. October 13, 2014 8:22 pm

    Mayhaps that shit played well while the Ukraine was at arms length and he was winning cheap political points, but the dense tory shitwipe needs to wake up and smell the real politik before it lands on our collective heads.

  220. October 13, 2014 8:23 pm

    “Oh fuck that is priceless…”

    Is it just.

  221. Tony permalink
    October 13, 2014 8:36 pm

    “should probably think before he postures up to entities which could tear him (and, by proxy ‘us’) a new arsehole…”

    Sounds reasonable. But, how, exactly, would Putin perform that painful-sounding manoeuvre?

  222. October 13, 2014 8:50 pm

    Hand to hand, I’m confident he’d punish Abbott?

    Figuratively speaking, are you suggesting we should behave like (ingracious) hosts on the world stage & use the event to maximise cheap political capital?
    Do you think Putin could give even a skerrick of a fuck about Abbott’s chestbeating? I don’t.

    Maybe we’re just being a useful tool for our ‘betters’ again…y’know, a bit further out of the range (or not) of the ICBM’s)? …at least the tanks won’t come over our border…

  223. Tony permalink
    October 13, 2014 8:53 pm

    “at least the tanks won’t come over our border…”

    Pretty much my point. He can’t hurt us militarily, or economically. I also doubt he and Abbott will come to blows. Even if they did, that’s not really tearing “us” a ne arsehole.

  224. Tony permalink
    October 13, 2014 8:53 pm

    *new

  225. October 13, 2014 8:59 pm

    Yeah, I get your point.

    Abbott should just mouth off like a juvenile knuckledragger.

    Very Statesmanlike. Will definitely energise the desired demographic…

  226. October 13, 2014 8:59 pm

    “or economically”

    You don’t work in agriculture.

  227. Tony permalink
    October 13, 2014 9:00 pm

    “the dense tory shitwipe needs to wake up and smell the real politik before it lands on our collective heads”

    Again with the Putinwetting.

  228. October 13, 2014 9:01 pm

    #laughing my fcuking nuts off,

    yeah, l heard `our` national pretender is going to `shirt-front` the `real-deal` of the new-ussr,

    fcuking hope like hell he does it on `live` tv 🙂

  229. Tony permalink
    October 13, 2014 9:06 pm

    “Abbott should just mouth off like a juvenile knuckledragger.”

    Different point. Still not new-arsehole-tearing.

  230. Tony permalink
    October 13, 2014 9:10 pm

    “You don’t work in agriculture.”

    Yeah, they can stop buying stuff they like, from us. Sort of like reverse sanctions.

  231. October 13, 2014 9:12 pm

    Look at him, doing some reflexive hyperbowl retorts! It’s so cute!

  232. October 13, 2014 9:14 pm

    No doubt, still about to ruminate on this…?

    “Yeah, I get your point.

    Abbott should just mouth off like a juvenile knuckledragger.

    Very Statesmanlike. Will definitely energise the desired demographic…”

    Or, more precisely…”Abbott should just mouth off like a juvenile knuckledragger?”

  233. October 13, 2014 9:15 pm

    ISIS=muchscarier thanPutin…not

  234. October 13, 2014 9:17 pm

    ””””I think the majority of Americans (not everyone, but most) would like to spend less on the military.””””

    l hear`ya splatter, and agree with you on what most yanks `want`, for sure, they need medical and education, etc, not more weapons and war, but,

    and its a big but, the repugs are fully owned and operated by corporate conglomerates, the mega rich, and high powered self-interest from the koch bros to dog-clubs, with enough of the demz (probably more than half) which makes what most yanks `want` pretty meaningless even if they vote, as they only get to choose (largely) between two different `paths` to an identical destination,

    just like we do

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2014 9:18 pm

    Pretty much my point. He can’t hurt us militarily, or economically. I also doubt he and Abbott will come to blows. Even if they did, that’s not really tearing “us” a ne arsehole.

    No, but it does look like a bunch of 18th Century convicts living on a bloody great island voted for a UFC has been to fight for us … with the assistance of Guv’ner Murdoch … snigger, snigger …

    The international “image” is laughable and really quite distasteful … particularly for the “leader” of the country who chairs the UN Security Council …

  236. Tony permalink
    October 13, 2014 9:21 pm

    ““Abbott should just mouth off like a juvenile knuckledragger.”

    I’d prefer he didn’t, but won’t be *wetting myself* if he does.

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2014 9:21 pm

    And Shorten is sounding just as stupid …. but looking out of the staff room into the playground …

  238. TB Queensland permalink
    October 13, 2014 9:22 pm

    Adults in charge …. WHEN?

  239. October 13, 2014 9:30 pm

    “Yeah, they can stop buying stuff they like, from us”

    Fuck those of ‘us’ here that sell stuff there ay?

  240. October 13, 2014 9:33 pm

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/10/08/so-you-say-you-want-revolution

    yeah read most of that before, don`t know if its from his site, or a `compilation`,

    What l find very, very funny is that teabags seek-out `lefty` and `non-committed` sites to babble on.

  241. Tony permalink
    October 13, 2014 9:36 pm

    “Fuck those of ‘us’ here that sell stuff there ay?”

    Hmm. “Selling stuff” takes precedence over, say, outrage at the shooting down of a civilian aeroplane.

    I thought “tories” were the selfish ones.

  242. October 13, 2014 9:48 pm

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2014/10/11/politics-one-term-wonders/14129460001096#.VDpua8k_7qA

    ”””””’There is one general rule about weak and struggling right-wing governments: the formula that served them well for decades no longer works””””

    #this smells like an advert for his `right-wing` book armchair,

    # l disagree with his quote too, a method of fact-free bullshit, unchallenged by teabag-media, that allows them to govern for even `one` term is a staggering reward for being able to troughsnout and cheat the public for a few years.

    (yes, and l mean state/s or federal)

  243. October 13, 2014 9:51 pm

    This is part of the fun. We would be very much poorer without, for example, Bed Pann’s rants.

    Here here… us centrists do remind you fucktatds that you drank the brown acid and voted for the bullshit artist formerly known as Abbott..

    One important point is that the colourful language must be accompanied by reasoned argument. Otherwise the ranter loses the argument and their reply is less effective than it might otherwise be.

    So nice of you to say Splats.. backatcha bud… and Fuckin oath Egg is a cunt isn’t she?

    This blog is a stellar example of a place full of robust discussion and where a wide variety of views are aired.

    Agreed… no fun, no intellectual challenge in compliant head nodding… plus its fun watching all you teabagging tewwawists squirm at the prodigiously pathetic cacophony of incompetents you selected at the ballet box to plunge Australia back into the dark ages.. 🙂
    Go team Australia 🙄

    In my humble opinion, if you like Iain Hall you are a cunt and if you are Iain Hall you are a double cunt.

    Exhibit A: Troll speak that constitutes a derailed bullet train vagina monologue 🙂

    Not a bad effort from Iain.

    now that I’m getting out more I see opportunity everywhere, to debate drail and argue the toss.

    Well nobody could disagree that you a magnanimous tosser

    “just to play with the 1960’s music theme”
    The great Billy Bragg re-worked the Kink’s memorable line in his song “Accident Waiting To Happen” as follows:
    “You’re a dedicated swallower of fascism”

    Yep… 🙂

  244. October 13, 2014 10:03 pm

    ””’do you really like these frigging smileys?”””

    the new `smileys` suck donkey dick

    .

    ””’Are they compulsory at WordPress?”””

    we don`t have a choice(l think) other than switch them `on` or `off`

    #the old smilies were fcuking miles better as far as l`m concerned,
    why wordpress fcuked about with`em has got me fcuked

  245. October 13, 2014 10:04 pm

    “Hmm. “Selling stuff” takes precedence over, say, outrage at the shooting down of a civilian aeroplane.”

    Depends upon your level of righteous outrage & proof of that being laid at Putin’s door, I suppose.

    Interestingly, if it was upsetting rightward industry, the screeching would be cacophonic.

    Those of us with working families out in the sticks can just go fiuck themselves with a clawhammer, presumably…?

  246. Tony permalink
    October 13, 2014 10:11 pm

    “Those of us with working families out in the sticks can just go fiuck themselves with a clawhammer, presumably…?”

    Mmmkay.

    We’ve gone from Putin tearing “us” a new arsehole, to being shamed for not feeling pity for those “out in the sticks”.

    WTF is your actual argument, apart from partisan Abbotthatred?

  247. October 13, 2014 10:30 pm

    ”””””You may notice Murdoch is very selective about propaganda not being behond the Paywall in the paper he lossed money on to gain influence””””’

    #Listen Ricky stop hyperventilating,

    ya`gotta look at the silver lining, first, Limited-News is sliding slowly down their hill of shit, all under their own steam, second, teh-oz is nothing but a bonfire for ruperts cash(to the tune of about 25-mill/pa) and third, look at their `free-samples`, is it any wonder that people won`t pay, which of course reinforces the first and second points,

    yes, yes, mandy-d is and always will be a cnut

  248. October 13, 2014 10:33 pm

    duuuuuh, non-comprende da hyperbowl much (?)…

    * made worse by the fact that I realise you do recognise the hyperbowl & likely the thrust.

    Interestingly, you’re probably excusing things which you may well have got jazzed about in ye olden days…

    * just sayin’ ( and proper logical arguing is hard when doos drnk 😉 )

  249. October 13, 2014 10:37 pm

    mkay…how condescending!

    haha

    For your delectation..

    I’ve even swayed some of my cynical fellow travellers with this…the mountain cats coming to take awy the bones gets em every time…

  250. Tony permalink
    October 13, 2014 10:39 pm

    “doos drnk”

    😉

  251. October 13, 2014 10:39 pm

    Wrong link…

  252. October 13, 2014 10:41 pm

    google translate…

    Jack Parow? Daar’s die man nou
    Party, party, party, party
    Hosh ja! Here maar ek’s in my poes in
    Dude ek’s moerefokken wasted
    Hello hoe lyk dit, ek en jy naked?

    Kyk hier kyk hier
    Fok jou, kom ons gaan koop ‘n vokken dop gou
    Kom baby score my die Witblitz
    Sit terug, vat ‘n fokken sluk van die Klipdrift

    Ah shut up you fuckin’ bastard
    Don’t fuck around with the drunken master
    Kyk hier jy jou ma se poena
    Don’t want gehelp van my kopseer

    Heppa
    Kyk jy na my, ek is in rapper
    Ons party nou mos nou lekker

    La-di da-di
    Party, party, party, party

    Doos dronk
    Stomp rond skop my hond
    Poes jou in the mond
    En val op die grond

    Doos dronk
    God, waar is my hond?
    Le in my kots en
    Vrot in die tronk

    Party, party, party
    Party, party, party, party
    Party, party, party
    Party, party, party, party

    Waar’s die papsak?
    Jissis ek’s heeltemal fucked up

    Score daai fokken
    Dubbel poes my vrou en coke
    Jis ek dig die liedjie
    Kom ons gooi ‘n bietjie breekdans
    Kyk hie my piel doen so ‘n beweging
    Look at this

    Ek soek ‘n pis gaan piss in die hoek
    Oh fok, ek dink ek’t gepis in my broek

    Gee vir my ‘n fokking ding
    Waar is die shooter los it
    Don’t be a party pooper
    Blaas die hooter

    Ons se nou baie dankie, vir die drankie!
    Wat sal ons doen sonder ‘n drankie
    Bokkies, boerewors en rugby?

    Don’t worry be happy happy
    Happy, happy, happy, happy

    Read more: Die Antwoord – Doos Dronk Lyrics | MetroLyrics

  253. October 13, 2014 10:45 pm

    #shirt-front
    sorry dunny, l`m with `our` teabags on this one,

    and`ya seem wrong here dunny,

    ””””””””””’Pardon my language, but “shirtfront” means ‘our’ Prime Minister is a demonstrably dumb cunt”””””””’

    #since when has there been any `doubt` mr-rabbit is a dumb cnut.?

  254. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2014 10:56 pm

    Let Putin come here

    Then keep the cunt here !

  255. Walrus permalink
    October 13, 2014 10:57 pm

    That fixes the Ukraine

    Next problem ?

  256. October 13, 2014 11:07 pm

    Only problem is, he will come here, go home, give nary a fuck about Abbott, go on being a threat to his borders…?

  257. October 13, 2014 11:18 pm

    FFS you two lack imagination, we should have a `thrilla-in-manilla` type event, the mighty `shirt-fronter` challenges the `real-deal`, 15 round combat in the `octagon`,

    (or at least tie steak-knives to their toes and have a cockhead fight)

  258. October 13, 2014 11:21 pm

    Let Putin come here
    Then keep the cunt here ! Brandis, Morrison and idiot boy Abbott can show him what real fascists are like

  259. October 13, 2014 11:32 pm

    we could market it as,

    Ding-Dong by the Billabong

    #which sure sounds better than the usual talk-fests, and would be more entertaining

  260. October 14, 2014 1:38 am

  261. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 14, 2014 10:11 am

    ‘So why do you keep resorting to them then?’

    I’m only human and thanks for encouraging me to get out more.

  262. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 14, 2014 10:51 am

    “What constitutes a troll?”

    Nice irony.

  263. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 14, 2014 11:26 am

    Abbott is starting to believe his own populist macho man spin. The tough talk is designed to go down well in a pub full of bogans. He’ll soon be grovelling just as he did with Indonesia.

    …In an opinion piece published in the Russian political newspaper Pravda, the author claims Mr Abbott displays “insolence” and Australia has a “colonial chip on its shoulder”.

    The language in the opinion piece, which was penned in response to Mr Abbott’s earlier comments about Mr Putin’s attendance at the G20 summit, but before his “shirt-front” declaration on Monday, gives an insight into the strong reaction expected to emerge from Russia over the coming days.
    “I would advise Russia’s President Vladimir Putin to wash his hands carefully and sterilise them after shaking the paw offered to him by Australia’s Prime Minister Tony Abbott at the forthcoming G20 summit in Brisbane,” columnist Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey wrote.
    “Tony Abbott displays a degree of insolence, arrogance and incompetence which mirrors the intrusiveness, belligerence and chauvinism inherent in other members of the Anglo Saxon alliance in NATO…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-views-on-vladimir-putin-spark-angry-reaction-from-russia-20141014-115lox.html#ixzz3G4YZpNC0

  264. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 15, 2014 2:46 pm

    Great!!

    There I was thinking that the people that are attracted to ISIS share characteristics with bikies-
    • Lust for violence
    • Use of rape as a means of subjugation
    • History of drug dealing
    • Intolerance of differences of opinion

    But, bikies are attracted to both sides! Dutch bikies are helping the Kurds, though I think our own bikies mainly join ISIS.

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/netherlands-says-ok-for-biker-gangs-to-fight-islamic-state-20141015-1164so.html

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