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Rostrum: There’s a moon in the sky called The Moon Edition

October 16, 2014

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TB took this pic.

 

 

 

 

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  1. October 16, 2014 8:14 pm

    Here it is…

  2. October 16, 2014 8:16 pm

    The white of the moon really complements the smog orange of the outer Brisbane nightscape in an analogous triumph of colour!

  3. Tony permalink
    October 16, 2014 8:18 pm

    “The white of the moon really complements the smog orange of the outer Brisbane nightscape in an analogous triumph of colour!”

    Indeed.

    *strokes chin*

  4. October 16, 2014 8:24 pm

    I can almost hear the naked denizens of the area howling at the moon & cavorting along the traffic islands with queenslander abandon!

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    October 16, 2014 8:32 pm

    Yeah, but can you see both faces?

    The finger and thumb are pretty obvious …

  6. Tony permalink
    October 16, 2014 9:16 pm

    “Yeah, but can you see both faces?”

    I see at least three.

  7. Tony permalink
    October 16, 2014 9:20 pm

    And a rhinocerous.

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    October 16, 2014 9:26 pm

    Yep, my g/daughter saw the rhino …

    What about a name?

    I call it – Dog in Heaven …

  9. October 16, 2014 9:35 pm

    I can see an inkblot test.

  10. Tony permalink
    October 16, 2014 9:38 pm

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 16, 2014 10:29 pm

    I was in Qld today.

    Bogan as always.

  12. October 17, 2014 8:31 am

    Has anyone else in Melbourne noticed the plague of Jehovah’s Witnesses that have infested the city almost overnight? There’s fkn hundreds of the fuckers…

    I’m seriously tempted to buy a couple of cans of mortein and walk through Bourke Street small at lunchtime spraying the scum.

    They’re all wearing little purple badges saying “part of God’s Kingdom” or some such such.

    If they’re so keen to be part of dog’s kingdom, why don’t they do the rest us all a favour and kill themselves…

    Then they’ll get to meet him sooner.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2014 10:19 am

    Last time the JW’s popped up at my front door I told them they should already have me crossed off their list … and anyway if I joined, my membership number end up being 44,001 … at least I got a laugh and I haven’t seen the happy little clots since …

    I can see an inkblot test.

    That says more about you than my fkn foto, Jummy! 😛

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2014 10:34 am

    MOVIE REVIEW

    We went to see “A Walk Among the Tombstones” yesterday (poor grammar I know – among? FFS – Amongst!) I actually liked the way they did the titles tho’ …

    Its a Liam Neeson film … so people get kidnapped and tortured and murdered … there’s gruesome and gore … no “love interest” …

    … its a professional, bring in the dollars film but nothing outstanding …

    … Liam walks away after taking care of business (be aware there is more than one loose end in the script) …

    Liam looks a bit weary … outstanding actor for me was the young teenage street kid …

    ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ from ‘im and also from ‘er …

    Wagyu sliders – ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

    Italian bubbly @ $12 a glass cracked me up (and it was very ordinary) … and Mumm @ $110 a bottle was hilarious (the last dozen we bought from Uncle Dan’s cost us $36 a bottle! – LOL!)

  15. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 17, 2014 10:49 am

    “Mumm @ $110 a bottle was hilarious (the last dozen we bought from Uncle Dan’s cost us $36 a bottle!”

    Champagne socialist 🙂 I can only afford a single bottle purchase on rare occasions!

  16. October 17, 2014 10:49 am

    Anyone seen Gone Girl? The film making fraternity are raving about it… 1st picture shot in true @6K digital and edited completely in Adobe CC.

  17. October 17, 2014 10:51 am

    Ha!

    I watched “A Walk Among the Tombstones” for free on the interwebs the other night.

    I thought it was ok, the black kid stole the show I reckon…

    It was just a walk in the park for Liam… Nothing outstanding as far as his performance…

    I’m looking forward to Taken 5. “The Year they come for the garden ornaments”.

  18. October 17, 2014 10:54 am

    Click the link and then close the pop-up ads that appear… You need to click the “play”icon a few times but eventually it will play the movie….

    http://putlocker.is/watch-a-walk-among-the-tombstones-online-free-putlocker.html

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2014 11:09 am

    Will the police arrest me if I watch the film on line?

  20. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2014 11:32 am

    Mumm is a nice quaffer according to Fifi

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2014 12:08 pm

    Mumm is a nice quaffer according to Fifi

    We drank Moet for years – I think our first taste was in London 1995 at, Fridays*, (where I met and chatted to Bill Oddie – of The Goodies) …

    The Minister ordered Mumm ’cause it was cheaper … but they’d run out and gave us Moet instead at the same price … it was only last year she decided (and I agree) that Mumm is a nicer tasting champagne …

    We’d flown in that morning (landed @ 5am) and it pissed down … so we just went out for some lunch …

    sb, we’ve been buying “bulk” for years now … we only buy “specials” in consumables but in bulk and never “browse” once we are in the shop … we buy and leave … its hard to get started but once you’ve got stock its easy … (bit like starting a data base once its up and running maintenance is easy) … and of course we do have another nine mouths in the family all within two minutes walking distance … teenagers are a bloody hungry lot!

    And the Mumm is for special occasions … we popped two on our 46th anniversary on Straddie …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    sreb, your “review” of AWAtT sounds pretty much the same as my take …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just out of curiosity is there anyone who can’t see the main “face” in that photo?

    Just askin’ …

  22. Meta permalink
    October 17, 2014 5:05 pm

    (Re JWs, have you tried being more inclusive and wishing them a merry unbirthday?)

  23. Meta permalink
    October 17, 2014 5:17 pm

    (Speaking of film reviews; never mind, Elon, there’s a barrel of unintentional laughs still to be had in the robotic acting and buggy coding of Autómata.)

  24. Meta permalink
    October 17, 2014 5:34 pm

    (Just out of curiosity is there anyone who can’t see the main “face” in that photo?

    I see nussing, TB.)

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2014 5:55 pm

    TB’s photo reminds me of this one, Fifi took it of me!

  26. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 17, 2014 6:00 pm

    TB

    Is this a picture of you coming back from the grog shop?

    http://s305.photobucket.com/user/ZHANGFEI4/media/WifeCarryingBeer.jpg.html

  27. Walrus permalink
    October 17, 2014 6:02 pm

    “………the last dozen we bought from Uncle Dan’s cost us $36 a bottle! – LOL!….”

    Mumm $32 at Costco last Saturday.

    Bollinger, which I prefer to Moet any day, has also come off its recent highs now sitting around $56 in Sydney. It was $68 two months ago

    I reckon Dan Murphy’s prices champagne according to the ASX

  28. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2014 6:26 pm

    I think TB should try one of the moon like this..

  29. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2014 6:27 pm

    That’s quite funny Neil.

  30. Tony permalink
    October 17, 2014 6:36 pm

    I don’t understand your photos, ToM. I prefer pictures of strong women …

  31. Tony permalink
    October 17, 2014 6:43 pm

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2014 6:57 pm

    So that’s how they do it!!

  33. TB Queensland permalink
    October 17, 2014 7:15 pm

    That’s quite funny Neil.

    I wasn’t going to reply but I found that to be quite insulting to my wife as well as me … and based on comments aimed at me some time ago, and to which I apologised, I’m sure, sb, would too …

    Knowing the childishness of Kneel’s posts I was simply going to ignore it … but since you also commented, ToM, I have been forced to … however, based on past experience … an apology from Kneel would stick in its throat …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Mumm $32 at Costco last Saturday.

    No alcohol sales in Queensland at “supermarket” venues … we are backward in so many ways … Noddy’s in charge but nowt changes … he mustn’t have any brewers or alchy sellers in the family … and of course he’s a dog-botherer … (albeit a protestant – you must have seen the look of love when he’s with The Abbott)

    … the family says grace over meals every night …

  34. October 17, 2014 8:41 pm

    “No alcohol sales in Queensland at “supermarket” venues … we are backward in so many ways “

    You don’t say.

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 17, 2014 9:40 pm

    I don’t know much about art, but I know what I like…

  36. October 17, 2014 10:06 pm

    Maybe Kneel should be an apologist for this 🙄

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    October 18, 2014 5:33 pm

    For TB

    Ain’t that something! … thanks, sreb … that is really clever photography … chilling in a way …

    I remember being in the square in Amsterdam and, The Minister’s, cousin pointing out where the Nazi snipers had been – when they fired on the crowd celebrating the end of WWII … it was made the hair stand up on the back of my neck …

  38. October 18, 2014 10:09 pm

    If they sign this shit, after negotiating it in secret, presumably because they don’t want public outrage if we were all aware of it before the fact, then we know who’s truly running this country…and whom the arseholes we elect are actually working in favour of.

    How do libertarians feel about ‘transcending’ our own sovereignty with insidious agreements like this?…seeing as how other ‘external’ regimes (such as the UN) are so often sneered at.

    How is this in the national interest…of the general public? (it’s not hard to deduce which narrow interests it actually serves).

  39. Tony permalink
    October 18, 2014 10:11 pm

    Antony Lowenstein and The Guardian: a match made in green-left heaven.

  40. October 18, 2014 10:13 pm

    So the TPP is perfectly reasonable then? and Abbott should just go ahead and sign us all away?

    No concerns about the clandestine nature of its construction and potential implications for our future?

    Are you fucking kidding?

  41. October 18, 2014 10:15 pm

    Andrew Bolt & The Herald Sun: a match made in ignorant dumbass heaven.

  42. Tony permalink
    October 18, 2014 10:23 pm

    Don’t wet your undies. It’s all a Guardian beatup.

    “Yet the text would suggest” … “The leaked document suggests” … “Rimmer said the TPP could also affect journalists and whistleblowers” … “Such provisions could impact upon not only corporate espionage, but the work of journalists, media organisations, information technology activists, and whistleblowers” …. “the agreement appeared to
    walk back safeguards in previous treaties” … ” He said Australia had appeared to join with the US and Japan in backing so-called “evergreening” tactics” … “That might include minor changes to existing drugs which might be combining two existing drugs in the same pill” …

  43. October 18, 2014 10:30 pm

    Is it just?

    At what point does it become something more than a beatup?…after it’s signed behind our backs?

    If it’s so innocuous why is it being drafted behind closed doors.

    Say it (as ‘suggested’ by The Guardian ) turns out to be true…are you comfortable with such things? Us being held to ransom by foreign corporate interests? trumping of Australian Law, etc. ..?

  44. October 18, 2014 10:32 pm

    If wikileaks hadn’t leaked, no one would be hearing anything about such a potentially grievous ‘treaty’.

    Do you really think the voting population would willingly adopt the PBS being undermined (amongst other things)?

  45. Tony permalink
    October 18, 2014 10:37 pm

    I still have no idea what I’m supposed to be outraged about.

    Except for what The Guardian says could appear to might happen.

    I think I’ll wait for something less, shall we say, bullshitty.

  46. October 18, 2014 10:42 pm

    ”””the arseholes we elect are actually working in favour of”””

    both `teams` are full of corporate lackies, #yay-choice , got million$ for cancer treatment, you`re fine, otherwise fcuk-off and die #darkAgesHereWeCome

  47. October 18, 2014 10:47 pm

    “I think I’ll wait for something less, shall we say, bullshitty.”

    Yes, because no one’s ever heard of the TPP and it definitely isn’t being schemed out.

  48. October 18, 2014 10:48 pm

    ”””How is this in the national interest…of the general public?”””

    when was the last time we had a government that `actually` governed and wasn`t well stocked with biz-lackies of some type.? l am no-longer/never surprised about their dumbarse `secrets`, decisions or actions dunny, are you.? really.? #teabag-wetdreams

  49. October 18, 2014 10:49 pm

    Same standards applied to the rushing through of the anti-tewwa laws?…not.

  50. Tony permalink
    October 18, 2014 10:54 pm

    “Yes, because no one’s ever heard of the TPP and it definitely isn’t being schemed out.”

    Okay, why not provide a(n impartial) link where I (royal “we”) can inform my(our)self(ves) about this nefarious scheme.

  51. October 18, 2014 11:04 pm

    haha `secrets` and bullshit standards in `pretending` to inform the public on `all` types of pantie-wetting fantasy`s are driving most of the public away from the halfwit politicians, recently one of the pollies (at press club l think) said voting in elections was less-relevant than voting on masterchef to most people, had to laugh at sudden out-burst of honesty 🙂

  52. October 18, 2014 11:08 pm

    ”””why not provide a(n impartial) link”””

    as you do Tinfoil`osy, you`re a fine provider of a(n impartial) links

  53. Tony permalink
    October 18, 2014 11:12 pm

    Go fuck yourself, CUNT!

    I mean you! 7:30 BAGZ, (in case there’s any misunderstanding)..

  54. October 18, 2014 11:55 pm

    wow! Tinfoil`osy straight to the ad-homs,
    now that does seem to indicate a little unhingement

  55. Meta permalink
    October 19, 2014 1:31 am

    (Speaking of (im)partial links, it’s probably a green-left conspiracy-consortium, also, which has developed plans to run oil and gas pipelines directly into Europe from (Libya and) Egypt (and Syria) and (Iraq and) Kurdistan (and Syria), coalescing in Turkey before crossing Albania and Italy and Hungary and Austria; all of which donor nations have been most helpful recently in the unfortunate Arab Fall, and whom we thank for their unwavering support and weapons; special thanks must also go to Georgia, for offering to host and train moderate Syrian freedom fighters with minimal further peace partnership assistance, and for continuing to foster firm friendships with Azerbaijan and Turkey, despite or in spite of coincidental sanctions and sundry strictures placed on Russian offshore drilling in the Caspian Basin; and, lastly, or firstly, we must not forget it’s Winter in the West and in the East Ukraine soon, when dancing with bears and/or seeking civil access for ongoing independent investigation of the remains of the remains of MH17, after these many, many months of near obscurity and extreme insecurity for the red-crossed crash site, and for the Red-Crossed clash sites of its immediate surrounds.)

  56. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 19, 2014 8:37 am

    Marx is Dead

    http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/how-capitalism-conquered-north-korea/

  57. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 19, 2014 8:53 am

    The New Normal

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2014-10/10/content_18716671.htm

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2014 10:47 am

    Tony’s nailed it at 11.12.
    ——–
    ”the ad-homs,
now that does seem to indicate a little unhingement”

    Bizarre, a comment posted by the expert in the personal, and the singular case study in “unhingement”

  59. Meta permalink
    October 19, 2014 11:21 am

    (Is it possible to nail it without at least one reference to Orwell and a lecturette on Plain English? Still, it does clearly meet the baseline standard for freespeech extremism, I guess, even if the freespeech extremism is ostensibly contra freespeech.)

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2014 11:54 am

    GT has endured (probably) because of 3 factors that reb has supported and encouraged –
    • Mutual respect
    • Funny comments
    • Intelligence

    Teabagz gets 0/3

  61. Tony permalink
    October 19, 2014 12:31 pm

    Apologies to everyone for my intemperate language last night. If I could take back my comment I would.

  62. October 19, 2014 12:34 pm

    Any comment on the TPP, YomM? or is your default position that it doesn’t exist (until they tell us it exists [leaving out the nasty bits which are detrimental to us until they’re found out along the way, when it’s too late])?

    You seem like someone who may be averse to backroom dealings, against the populace conducted with the explicit purpose of obscuring their intent from the populace, to me.

  63. October 19, 2014 12:35 pm

    I thought your intemperate language was rather normal, and amusing.

  64. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2014 12:36 pm

    … when was the last time we had a government that `actually` governed and wasn`t well stocked with biz-lackies of some type.?

    Before 1996 … even Menzies tried to served the country … however poorly …

  65. October 19, 2014 12:44 pm

    https://theconversation.com/will-a-new-government-hand-control-of-our-energy-to-overseas-investors-15383

    “As we approach the Australian federal election, trade minister Richard Marles recently confirmed Australia will not sign the Trans Pacific Partnership Trade Agreement if it includes an investor-state dispute clause. Marles’ stance against this threat to our domestic sovereignty is a critical policy difference between the country’s major parties – the Coalition is more open to agreeing to such a clause.

    An investor-state dispute clause gives foreign corporations greater rights than local business to seek compensation off-shore for any Australian legislation or policy decision that undercuts investments. Such a clause was used to challenge our constitutionally valid tobacco plain packing legislation. Australia’s trade policy also requires gradual withdrawal from such obligations under bilateral investment treaties.

    Whatever the outcome of the election, Australia’s current position against excess investor rights in the trade agreement is principled but precarious. Indeed, many remember how the Howard Government’s “iron clad” assurance our Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme would not be in the Australia-US free trade agreement eventually buckled under intense US pressure.”

  66. October 19, 2014 12:50 pm

    Plenty of links out there regarding potential regressive outcomes (for citizens…Big Business notsomuch) of the TPP, for those actually interested in them; as opposed to the ideologically muted.

    Does anyone have a legitimate rationalisation why the ‘Agreement’ (between governments, not their voting populations- who are being deliberately sidelined) is being devised in secret?

  67. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2014 12:55 pm

    Apologies to everyone for my intemperate language last night. If I could take back my comment I would.

    I think we’ve all been there … ToSY … at least two of us apologise … 😉

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I tend to agree with your concern, Towellette, with regard to the lack of transparency in so many things this government is doing/has done … puppets or incompetents – either way it is detrimental to the nations image and to Australians at large!

    In fact if you think about the current LNP frontbench they act and talk like the worst elements of the CFMEU that everyone detests …

    I suspect that the list of fk ups will be rolled out at election time and the electorate will not be kind to them …

  68. October 19, 2014 12:59 pm

    If I mean what I say, I see no need to apologise for being blunt.

    If I’m incorrect I’m more than happy to apologise & happily stand corrected.

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2014 1:00 pm

    I haven’t followed the TPP debate.

    But of the bit I have heard, the international dispute process is likely to be a crock. I think it is running at about 800 to nil against the countries seeking a resolution against companies.

    Having said that, I’d prefer freer trade to the alternative.

  70. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2014 1:01 pm

    I think Tony’s apology was entirely unnecessary, there is no need to apologies for stating a fact.

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2014 1:02 pm

    “apologise”

  72. October 19, 2014 1:05 pm

    ” I’d prefer freer trade to the alternative.”

    What about forfeiting our domestic rights, and things like the PBS, at the behest of megalithic foreign corporate entities?

  73. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 19, 2014 1:20 pm

    Yes, the report I heard caused me to be a little concerned about signing up and assigning a range of policy options to some overseas grievance board that we have no influence over.

  74. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 19, 2014 1:31 pm

    ‘… at least two of us apologise …’

    Okay, make that three, I apologise to Ricky for calling him the equivalent of a vagina.

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    October 19, 2014 2:12 pm

    Bit late … egg …

    As a manager and trainer I used to go for “within 24” hours … I apply that to my personal life too …

    After 24 hours you either condone their actions, or your own … simple “rule” to comply with as well …

  76. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 19, 2014 4:10 pm

    Oh, right.

  77. October 19, 2014 5:37 pm

    Anyone after an apology from me (here) probably deserved it (the act, not an apology).

  78. October 19, 2014 5:41 pm

    *except the host. I do try and stay within his (deserved) good graces.

  79. October 19, 2014 5:43 pm

    “As a manager and trainer I used to go for “within 24″ hours … I apply that to my personal life too … ”

    Very commendable rule of thumb, TB.

  80. Meta permalink
    October 19, 2014 6:13 pm

    (Pivoting off on another tangent…

    “But Mr Keating’s ambition for APEC will clash with the Howard Government’s agenda and the standing expectation of all APEC governments. Any recasting of its core agenda will be a task for its future hosts.”

    Which does seem to be going very well…

    The vision of the APEC-wide, ambitious free trade zone emerged in 2006. APEC leaders agreed in 2010 to eventually achieve it on the basis of other preceding frameworks such as the TPP, but little has been decided so far.”

    And who would ever have imagined that Russia, too, is an (almost-overlooked) Asian-Pacific nation, if of somewhat straitened bearing, beyond Sarah “drill, baby, drill” Palin?)

  81. October 19, 2014 7:05 pm

    Bible Pice & her kin have been making total cunts of themselves on Anchorage front lawns, in recent times.

    VP material indeed. Still has her defenders.

  82. October 19, 2014 7:06 pm

    * Bible Spice

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2014 7:55 pm

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/10/19/professor-barry-spurr-smoking-gun-institutional-racism

    Statement from New Matilda editor and owner Chris Graham regarding allegations of hacking leveled by Professor Spurr in The Australian newspaper…

    Goodes Won Australian Of The Year So PM Could Put ‘Abos’ in Constitution: Barry Spurr:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/10/19/goodes-won-australian-year-so-pm-could-put-abos-constitution-barry-spurr

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 19, 2014 8:27 pm

  85. October 19, 2014 9:48 pm

    ” New Matilda is more than happy to allow the public to summate both styles of reporting, and decide which is journalism and which is ideology parading as journalism.”

    Indeed.

  86. October 19, 2014 9:50 pm

    ” accountability of those in positions of power and influence is a crucial part of our democratic process. It’s worth noting where those who rail against this reside in the power structures of our nation.”

    Indeed.

  87. Meta permalink
    October 20, 2014 5:51 am

    (Good news, for interested parties with hitherto uncommunicated inputs and/or residual concerns about (in)form(ation)al Rumsfeldian (un)known (un)knowns and/or unrealised prescriptive-proscriptive potential outputs: submissions are still being received…

    “The Government continues to take all available opportunities to engage with interested parties. DFAT has held more than 700 public consultations on the TPP negotiations, and is open to receiving submissions on the TPP at any time. Input received through the consultation process is being used to inform the Government’s priorities and objectives for Australia’s ongoing work on the TPP.”

    And, even better: selection of “one possible pathway toward realising the vision of a free trade area of the Asia-Pacific” while “Australia supports the expansion of TPP membership over time to other economies in the Asia-Pacific region” does seem like a forward-looking foundation for further(ing) consultative negotiation and comprehensive engagement with(in) the Australian and the wider Asia-Pacific communities.)

  88. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 20, 2014 8:33 am

    Rumsfeld summarised Taleb’s tedious book The Black Swan in two words years before Taleb put semen to paper.

  89. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 20, 2014 8:34 am

    Free trade is aggod thing. Intellectual property is the opposite of free trade. IP rights should be restricted rather than expanded.

  90. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 20, 2014 8:38 am

    Meanwhile, the Japanese continue to show transgressive cultural leadership:

    Tokyo Metropolitan Police on Thursday announced the bust of a parlor in Shinjuku Ward that allows male customers to sniff odors of female school girls in private rooms

  91. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 20, 2014 8:52 am

    Sniffing seems harmless, but who am I to say.

    Looking forward to a Yuan hub in Sydney as part of our FTR with the celestial kingdom.

  92. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 20, 2014 8:54 am

    That should be FTA.

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2014 10:31 am

    Anyone who has travelled on the London Underground will appreciate these …

    http://prosign.tumblr.com/post/33766157596/someone-has-made-fake-london-underground-signs-and

  94. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2014 10:58 am

    … does seem like a forward-looking foundation for further(ing) consultative negotiation and comprehensive engagement with(in) the Australian and the wider Asia-Pacific communities.)

    Whatever happened your incisive cynicism, M?

    As you of all commenters here would know … the devil’s in the detail and Towellingtop, referred to above …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Intellectual property is the opposite of free trade

    Being an owner of IP … I ask the question … how so?

    My own IP has earned me tens of thousands of dollars … it is original … and mine …

    … if I choose to pursue, for compensation, those who use the work that I researched, designed and developed (in one case my material reduced the training of dragline operators from 4-5 years to 18 months – I’d call that pretty valuable stuff – according to my client at the time – “millions”) then I believe I should have that right?

    FYI at this stage in my life I have no intention of chasing up the training/assessment operators in the Bowen Basin who use my material without license or purchase – and now the Galilee Basin I’ve been informed …

    The 70 years after death might be a bit long … but that came from a FTA with the Septic Tanks out of the Howard era … it used to be 50 years in Oz … JWH obviously didn’t see it your way … well agreed with the Yanks anyway …

  95. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2014 11:15 am

    We need to get Australia’s internal “free trade” capitalist competition rules right before we fk around overseas … this is another example of Robber Barons at work from their castle “keeps” …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/motorists-to-pay-more-for-car-servicing-under-new-regulations/story-fnkgdhrc-1227095455020

    Freedom of choice?

  96. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 20, 2014 12:07 pm

    “how so? “

    Bill Gates is the richest man in the world because of IP rights.

    IP is a monopoly granted by the society. The only justification for it is that the benefit it provides society exceeeds the cost. See here for a view on this.

    Society should constantly monitor the extent of IP rights to ensure that the monopolies created are no more than is necessary to attract the benefits.

    In your case the benefit is to encourage the development of innovative training methods.

    Where IP privileges are abused (as in the example you linked to above) the abuser should lose their monopoly and the directors of the relevant company should be gaoled.

    I think it is ridiculous that the concept of a software function can be patented over and above the code itself. So, for example, Microsoft, in a classic case of poetic justice, had to pay half a billion dollars for writing its own code to enable programs to run inside a browser because someone had already patented the idea of running programs in a browser. OTOH, copying someone else’s code is clearly something that should be prohibited.

  97. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2014 1:07 pm

    OTOH, copying someone else’s code is clearly something that should be prohibited.

    [GASP!] But that would render my Computer Science degree null and void 😦

    As we say “in the trade”. It aint what you copy, it’s where you paste it 😉

  98. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2014 1:14 pm

    For tosy. a [hopefully] largely unbiased reporting of ISDIS. For my mind, it needs a lot of work before being included, but I’m biased that way anyway 😉

    One of the world’s leading arbitration lawyers in the ISDS field, George Kahale, says he doesn’t see any benefit for governments in signing up to ISDS. In fact, he thinks the system is so fundamentally flawed it should be abolished.

    ‘This particular system doesn’t have sufficient checks and balances to ensure correct legal decisions, and that is a danger when you’re talking about very, very substantial amounts of money,’ he says.

    Arbitration lawyer Toby Landau acknowledges that there are serious issues that need resolving in the ISDS, but believes it’s still a valuable asset for foreign investors and governments.

    ‘What we’ve seen develop is an incredibly effective form of international recourse for foreign investors. This is a major bonus both for investors and for host countries; whereas in the past there was never any effective form of recourse, now there is.’

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/isds-the-devil-in-the-trade-deal/5734490

    The audio download in the link is well worth the listen imo.

  99. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 20, 2014 1:21 pm

  100. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 20, 2014 2:57 pm

    “my Computer Science degree”

    That explains it – a coder’s talent is simplicity of expression, hence the pithy comments. The larger problem is GIGO. If you start with the idea that the ALP is always to be defended the code may be elegant but the output is still BS.

  101. Meta permalink
    October 20, 2014 3:11 pm

    (In the abstract, it does make a certain kind of sense, I guess; if sovereign risk, then wipe sovereignty.)

  102. Tom R permalink
    October 20, 2014 3:15 pm

    If you start with the idea that the ALP is always to be defended

    And here I was thinking we were talking about ISDS 😯

  103. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2014 5:27 pm

    If you start with the idea that the ALP is always to be defended the code may be elegant but the output is still BS.

    Why just select the ALP … I think the lot “someone” voted in qualify too … don’t you?

    IP requires a lot of “non-profit” input to actually reach a level where it finally pays off for the developer of something no-one else has either thought of, constructed or developed …

    And it certainly isn’t a “monopoly” … I was in a “cheep” shop yesterday and Lego model copies were $2.00 a pop …

    There’s not too many people buy music covers … and Game of Thrones is clever … I can relate to most locations and the medieval history is pretty obvious to anyone interested … but it is a unique collection and development of storyline and characters …

    IP has to be unique but its that uniqueness that is valuable …

    As an aside I’m still trying to buy the BD copy of last season for my collection … that’s not IP protection that’s dumb marketing advice …

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2014 5:33 pm

    Self fulfilling prophecy … or what, Rupie old man?

    http://molkstvtalk.com/opinon/hbo-offer-online-service-2015/

    Many have long suggested that horse has bolted and while this announcement from HBO is hardly the last nail in Foxtel’s coffin it has certainly has handed the consumer a nail gun.

    Yep, someone’s shot themselves in the foot …

  105. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 20, 2014 6:17 pm

    It’s easy for you to disparage all things “intellectual” TB, being in Brisbane.

    (posted from Brisbane, unfortunately)

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2014 7:34 pm

    Firstly, even though the GFC seems like a long time ago now, the damage it did to the global financial system has not healed.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/markets/global-growth-concerns-push-share-market-lower-but-whats-really-going-on/story-e6frfm30-1227096353594

    Just thought I’d post that for all the wankers who’ve laughed at me for saying the same thing … over the years …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    AS for your, comment above, ToM, … “disparage” … “all things intellectual” … how on earth would you get that idea* … unless you hadn’t actually read my comments above … or you just wanted to disparage my home city … LOL!

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/melbournes-sewerage-system-clogged-by-fatberg-warns-yarra-valley-water/story-e6frflp0-1227046044212

    *you did read that I OWN IP … ?????

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2014 7:37 pm

    (posted from Brisbane, unfortunately)

    Oh, you must be here to see Princess Anne on her “unofficial” visit … that means she must have paid for it herself … hey? … like fuckin’ hell she did … parasitic Robber Baron … at large …

  108. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2014 9:21 pm

    Not as silly as its sounds, methinks …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/senator-creates-quiz-in-response-to-foreign-fighters-bill-fears/story-fncynjr2-1227096395820

    Freedom of speech please …

  109. October 20, 2014 9:42 pm

    Good evening.

    If youse missed tonight’s Four Corners I highly recommend watching it online…

    http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/10/20/4108571.htm

  110. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2014 10:36 pm

    That dragged up this memory, sreb …

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    October 20, 2014 10:39 pm

    And I generally watch 4 Corners a couple of days late on iView these days … a quick look at your link was pretty frightening stuff … and nasty …

    Makes you wonder if the walking dead really are amongst us now … still we can’t drop bombs and tackle bongs at the same time … priorities y’know …

  112. egg permalink
    October 21, 2014 7:47 am

    ‘Foreign nationals on 457 visas are working in schools and early childhood centres despite a growing glut of unemployed Australian teaching graduates.

    ‘Half of all teaching graduates – about 8000 people – had not found permanent employment four months after completing their education training last year, Fairfax revealed on Monday.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/foreign-teachers-on-457-visas-worsen-graduate-glut-20141020-118x9m.html#ixzz3Gihxs9RT

  113. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2014 8:40 am

    Good to see the NSW Libs have learned their ICAC lesson. Obviously, the Libs need lobbyists in positions of influence to successfully implement the party agenda. But now, thanks to the lessons of ICAC, the lobbyists are not on the executive. Thankfully, the integrity and virtue of the party has been preserved!

  114. Tony permalink
    October 21, 2014 9:01 am

    ‘Agresto said that much humanities instruction has been co-opted by hyperspecialization and especially by critical theory. He said overly-critical approaches at once demean the subject matter and limit students’ free inquiry. For example, he said, when professors portray the founding fathers as mere “white racists,” no student or parent “in their right mind” would pay $50,000 a year to study them.

    ‘To save the humanities, professors must value opening up students’ minds over “preaching and converting,” he said. That means returning to an older mode of instruction, and instilling critical thinking skills. It means getting students to ask questions and helping them see the “variety” of answers – not leading them to a specific point of view, he added.

    ‘In the past and at their best, the liberal arts were a “gift” given to everyone, Agresto said. “It didn’t matter that Dante and Homer were dead white males,” and keeping Shakespeare alive wasn’t an “ethnocentric act.”’

  115. October 21, 2014 7:44 pm

    So Pistorious gets 5 years…

    I wonder how many years a black guy would’ve got?

  116. Meta permalink
    October 22, 2014 2:49 am

    (The judge, perhaps, does coax-conjure a compelling Goldilocks zone from out the holodeck…

    Masipa said she wanted to find a balance between retribution, deterrence and rehabilitation…”Using a lethal weapon, a loaded firearm, the accused fired not one, but four shots into the door,” said Masipa. “The toilet was a small cubicle and there was no room for escape for the person behind the door,” she said.”

    But, will it be sufficient to lock all parties, and latent appeals, in to that judicious tesseract: grossly negligent culpable homicide with mean gaol-time?)

    ——————————————-

    UPDATE: At the link, lefty commenters already launching ad hominem attacks. Because that’s what they do.”)

  117. October 22, 2014 8:49 pm

    Apparently there’s a great deal of media speculation that actress Renee Zellweger has had plastic surgery to drastically change her appearance, but frankly I can’t tell the difference…

  118. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 22, 2014 11:15 pm

    I saw that story in the Mail and her appearance has dramatically changed, but she claims it has nothing to do with plastic surgery and everything to do with a happier lifestyle.

  119. October 23, 2014 9:29 am

  120. Tony permalink
    October 23, 2014 7:23 pm

    This is a shame, for me, anyway.

    “Twitpic will be shutting down October 25th.”

    Can anyone recommend a good place to post photos?

  121. October 23, 2014 7:29 pm

    flickr?
    https://www.flickr.com/explore/

  122. Tony permalink
    October 23, 2014 7:38 pm

    Thanks reb. Just opened an account.

  123. October 23, 2014 7:41 pm

    No worries…:)

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    October 23, 2014 7:54 pm

    Was that grammar comment aimed at anyToM in particular?

  125. Tony permalink
    October 23, 2014 8:05 pm

    Wow, flickr works great. Thanks again reb.

  126. TB Queensland permalink
    October 23, 2014 8:12 pm

    ToSY just be aware of privacy issues … particularly with IP …

    Just sayin’ …

  127. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2014 1:26 pm

    Don’t worry about the new data retention laws – the government will only use them against the terrorists:

    Legislation introduced to parliament that will force Australia’s telcos to retain customer data for two years will be used to fight online copyright infringement, the AFP’s commissioner has revealed.

    The legislation is designed to give law enforcement and national security agencies access to non-content data for use in serious criminal investigations.

    But in a press conference following this morning’s introduction of the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Amendment (Data Retention) Bill 2014, AFP boss Andrew Colvin said the scheme would be used to target Australians pirating content online.

  128. Tom R permalink
    October 31, 2014 2:45 pm

    Yea, but what’s a “tewwawist”

    After all, we swords here, metal ones too (blunted of course)

    Are they more dangerous than plastic ones, or is the plasticity the defining ingredient?

  129. October 31, 2014 4:25 pm

    “Don’t worry about the new data retention laws – the government will only use them against the terrorists:”

    Well, that’s a relief!

    I believe them coz they said so…

  130. October 31, 2014 4:26 pm

    “But in a press conference following this morning’s introduction of the Telecommunications (Interception and Access) Amendment (Data Retention) Bill 2014, AFP boss Andrew Colvin said the scheme would be used to target Australians pirating content online.”

    And therein lies the (possible) true heart of the matter.

  131. October 31, 2014 4:47 pm

    “AFP boss Andrew Colvin said the scheme would be used to target Australians pirating content online.”

    That’s comforting. 😯

  132. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2014 5:16 pm

    And therein lies the (possible) true heart of the matter.

    Apparently the majority of the population are involved in serious criminal matters!

  133. October 31, 2014 5:42 pm

    ‘Serious’…ahem.

    Just getting their ducks in a line for the implementation of the TPP, apparently.

    I wonder why they weren’t upfront about how the laws will probably be used most often?

    I wonder if they’ll make a similarly enthusiastic effort to reduce the ‘Australia tax’?

    So, likely to be used against peaceful citizens far more frequently than ‘terrorists’…how surprising. Who’d have ever suspected that?

    Torrenting is the new ‘terrorism’.

  134. October 31, 2014 6:10 pm

    I almost made the mistake of thinking that the penny had finally dropped for Our Free Speech Warrior Extraordinaire Bolt…then I read his last paragraph of cowardly qualification.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/another_assault_on_our_free_speech/

  135. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 31, 2014 6:36 pm

    “Torrenting is the new ‘terrorism’.” 🙂

  136. October 31, 2014 6:42 pm

    Worst part of all this is that, no matter which government we have, they will wield these laws with extreme cynicism (bordering on dangerous opportunism).
    Suppose we do get a nasty lot in charge? The door has been left ajar for virtually unfettered totalitarian exploitation…and while that may seem distant, the door should be locked.

  137. October 31, 2014 6:56 pm

    Not mine…

    “Increased surveillance, tax & more control…we’ll lower taxes & take more from the poor…”

  138. October 31, 2014 7:46 pm

    * bump…teebeeofcuntland…

  139. October 31, 2014 7:52 pm

    Mal Meninga is a plastic icon…

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    October 31, 2014 8:58 pm

    * bump…teebeeofcuntland…

    yer on fire ToilleteswabofSA … but right as usual … why don’t people thinks anymore …

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