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October 21, 2014

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Gough Whitlam, who was prime minister for just three years but became a defining political figure of modern Australia, has died aged 98.

Whitlam’s family said in a statement on Tuesday: “Our father, Gough Whitlam, has died this morning at the age of 98.”

“A loving and generous father, he was a source of inspiration to us and our families and for millions of Australians.

“There will be a private cremation and a public memorial service.”

The election of his government on 2 December 1972, with the famous “It’s time” election campaign, ended 23 years of conservative rule and its dismissal by the governor general Sir John Kerr on 11 December 1975 remains one of the most controversial events in Australian political history.

But in just three years the Whitlam government instituted sweeping changes that transformed Australian society as the baby boomer generation came of age.

In a rapid program of reform it called “the program”, the Whitlam government created Australia’s national health insurance scheme, Medibank; abolished university fees; introduced state aid to independent schools and needs-based school funding; returned traditional lands in the Northern Territory to the Gurindji people; drafted (although did not enact) the first commonwealth lands right act; established diplomatic relations with China, withdrew the remaining Australian troops from Vietnam; introduced no-fault divorce laws; passed the Racial Discrimination Act; blocked moves to allow oil drilling on the Great Barrier Reef; introduced environmental protection legislation; and removed God Save the Queen as the national anthem.

The former Rudd government minister Lindsay Tanner has written: “Whitlam and his government changed the way we think about ourselves. The curse of sleepy mediocrity and colonial dependency, so mercilessly flayed in 1964 by Donald Horne in The Lucky Country, was cast aside.”

But the Whitlam government’s economic record is more controversial. It came to power at the time of the first oil shock and failed to contain wages inflation. In 1975 it was embroiled in what became known as the “loans affair” when the minister for minerals and energy, Rex Connor, sought to borrow money for resource projects, outside normal treasurer processes, from Arab financiers using a middleman called Tirath Khemlani.

No money was borrowed but the scandal deeply damaged the government.

Whitlam won a double dissolution election in 1974, with a reduced majority. But from October to November 1975 the parliament was deadlocked, with the opposition using its numbers in the Senate to refuse to pass the budget.

When Whitlam visited Kerr to call for a half Senate election, Kerr instead withdrew his commission as prime minister and replaced him with the Liberal leader Malcolm Fraser.

Whitlam lost the election to Fraser after the national upheaval of the dismissal. He stood down as Labor leader and retired from politics in 1978.

A towering figure at 1.94m, with a deep resonant voice and an eloquent turn of phrase, Whitlam inspired a generation of progressive politicians and was widely referred to by just his first name.

His is remembered forsome of the most famous quotes in Australian politics, including while standing on the steps of the old parliament house after news of his dismissal. He said: “Well may we say ‘God save the Queen’ because nothing will save the governor general.”

He was a graduate of Knox Grammar and Canberra Grammar and joined the airforce after university, before studying law and being admitted to the bar. He married Margaret Dovey in 1942; they had four children.

He won the western Sydney seat of Werriwa in 1952 and was elected leader of the Labor party in 1967, succeeding Arthur Calwell.

After leaving politics he worked as Australia’s ambassador to Unesco, accepted several visiting professorships and, along with Margaret, received life membership of the Labor party in 2007.

Margaret died in 2012. Whitlam, by then using a wheelchair, had moved into an aged-care facility in 2010. He described her as “the love of my life”.

 

 

 

 

 

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148 Comments leave one →
  1. October 21, 2014 8:47 am

    Farewell Gough! And thanks for giving me the opportunity for a university education. A great Australian!

  2. October 21, 2014 9:02 am

  3. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2014 9:36 am

    Blessed St Gough was the wank we had to have after 23 years of Coalition rule. Now, I enjoy a good wank as much as the next chap, but the pleasure is usually short-lived and then it is time to clean up the mess.

    St Gough did a few good things, revealed himself as a conniving racist prick and royally fucked up the economy. When given the option, Australians gave him the arse. Comrade Gough received the judgment of the masses in a landslide electoral loss.

    The statement “Well may we say ‘God save the Queen’ because nothing will save the governor general.” is typical of his vindictive prattling arrogance.

    For the next little while, at least until the funeral is over, raincoats will be required to shield us from the sticky deluge of the Whitlam Memorial Bukakke Festival.

  4. The Wizard of Bastardry permalink
    October 21, 2014 9:42 am

    “………And thanks for giving me the opportunity for a university education………..”

    Otherwise you wouldn’t have made “the Cut”

  5. The Wizard of Bastardry permalink
    October 21, 2014 9:44 am

    “What a reminder of what we are losing and have already lost. Vale Gough.”

    “Bucket”………………………………………………..!

  6. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 9:57 am

    Blessed St Gough was the wank we had to have

    Like you could limpit

    with the opposition using its numbers in the Senate to refuse to pass the budget.

    And yabot cries about his budget reaction now. What a dead set limpit he has turned out to be himself.

    Vale the Great Man Gough, who we as a nation have so much to thank for.

  7. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 9:58 am

    Otherwise you wouldn’t have made “the Cut”

    By which I assume you mean “the Price” 😉

  8. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 10:18 am
  9. The Wizard of Bastardry permalink
    October 21, 2014 10:25 am

    “”Possibly the most moving Australian photo of the 20th century. “”

    What utter Bollocks !

  10. The Wizard of Bastardry permalink
    October 21, 2014 10:31 am

  11. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 10:34 am

    What utter Bollocks !

    Well and clearly enunciated. 😯

  12. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 10:57 am

    This is how it’s done wizfiz

    “You can be sure of one thing,” he said of a possible meeting with his maker, “I shall treat Him as an equal.”

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/obituaries/gough-whitlam-dead-martyr-for-a-moment-hero-for-a-lifetime-20141021-11931j.html

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:01 am

    I see we’ve acquired a stutter on the blog …

  14. The Wizard of Bastardry permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:33 am

    Iconic Aussie Photos

  15. egg permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:37 am

    Gough was cavalier in the matter of East Timor, blind in one eye on self determination. Massive Fail.

  16. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:37 am

    Iconic Aussie Photos

    I see we’ve acquired a stutter on the blog …

    😉

  17. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:38 am

    Hmmm – Brisbane Bitter sign above the bar. Which one is the young TB?

  18. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:39 am

    blind in one eye

    claims the one blind in both

  19. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:40 am

    Some facts about Goughs economic record 😉

    http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2190-now-its-gerard-henderson-getting-facts-wrong

  20. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:41 am

    There was a young TB?

  21. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:42 am

    We shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, egg, even if they have been dead for 39 years.

  22. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:44 am

    “There was a young TB?”

    A young military man, I believe. Probably not the sort to associate with the bunch of drongos in the picture, even if they were Labor voters..

  23. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:49 am

    We shouldn’t speak ill of the dead,

    One can only imagine the depths yabot will plunge today then 😦

  24. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:58 am

    “One can only imagine the depths yabot will plunge today then “

    Ding Dong the Witch is Dead? Oh wait, that was the left on Thatcher.

  25. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 11:59 am

    Oh wait, that was the left on Thatcher.

    Yes, because a PM in parliament can use the excuse that some ferals did the same on twitter ❓

    Is that really going to be your defense?

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:03 pm

    As opposed to Ditch the Witch?

    Ping … your turn … pong …

    I liked Gough ’cause he actually finished my “military career” … the one started by Menzies …

  27. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:15 pm

    AGHH!, Stop The Waste!

    Whitlam’s approval of a National Gallery decision to buy Jackson Pollock’s Blue Poles for over a million dollars sent the media into a frenzy over wasteful spending.

    By the 21st century, Blue Poles was estimated to be worth at least $40 million. It is one of the National Gallery’s most popular exhibits.

    http://whitlamdismissal.com/1973/12/17/blue-poles-herald.html

  28. egg permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:18 pm

    Gough had revolutionary flair, but being novices they fumbled too often and the Murdocracy put in the sword.

  29. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:18 pm

    “Is that really going to be your defense?”

    Not my job to defend Abbott or the Libs. I’ve already hammered them on the other thread this morning. Though I doubt Abbott will be too negative. He’ll leave that to Bill Heffernan.

    Ping … your turn … pong …

    Wrong Game – we were speaking about speaking ill of the dead, not the dead-headed!

  30. egg permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:23 pm

    ‘He’ll leave that to Bill Heffernan.’

    ** chuckle

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:28 pm

    It is one of the National Gallery’s most popular exhibits.

    Christ knows why … and he can’t tell you … but then I’ve never really understood coloured scribble …

    not the dead-headed!

    It’s all them drugs, guv’nah … 🙂

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Gough had revolutionary flair, but being novices they fumbled too often and the Murdocracy put in the sword.

    There was a certain piss pot of a GG who almost fkd this country for good!

    And now The Abbott is taking us back to the Menzies “era” … and if you want “novices” look no further than the Private School Bullies running rampant today …

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:38 pm

    I’ve already hammered them on the other thread this morning.

    Did you mean this?

    Thankfully, the integrity and virtue of the party has been preserved!

    LOL! 🙂

  33. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:39 pm

    Tell me this TB, looking back, did you get any overall benefit from your time in the army?

  34. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:43 pm

    That’s the one, TB. I can’t believe that, with ICAC still hanging investigating Liberal racketeering, the money-grubbing lobbyists are still wielding power, trying to get their people elected. Gee, I wonder if there would be any political favours generated there?

  35. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:44 pm

    “Hanging” was a typo, although it would be a fair outcome for this cabal of thieves.

  36. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:45 pm

    Thankfully, the integrity and virtue of the party has been preserved!

    Obviously a feather was all he could find as a hammering instrument?

    but then I’ve never really understood coloured scribble …

    Get thee over to tosy’s art blog for some learnin’ TB

    I have actually enjoyed it a great deal (thanks tosy and reb)

  37. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 12:46 pm

    I note yabot didn’t completely faark up the eulogy. That’s a well done for him.

    Keep it Short Stoopid 😉

  38. The Wicked Wizard of the West permalink
    October 21, 2014 1:16 pm

    Another Iconic Photo

  39. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 1:23 pm

    Or in the case of wizfiz, keep it stoopid shorty 😉

  40. The Wicked Wizard of the West permalink
    October 21, 2014 1:58 pm

    True Blues everywhere

  41. Tony permalink
    October 21, 2014 2:26 pm

    The Wicked Wizard of Walrus?

  42. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 2:33 pm

    Seems dumb enough 😯

  43. Wicked Wizard of the West permalink
    October 21, 2014 4:32 pm

    Iconic Cultural Concert Events

    http://images3.aystatic.com/events/38860/58211_home_hero.jpg?1375154067

  44. Wicked Wizard of the West permalink
    October 21, 2014 4:47 pm

    Iconic Concert Tours of the 80’s

    http://images3.aystatic.com/events/38860/58211_home_hero.jpg?1375154067

  45. Wicked Wizard of the West permalink
    October 21, 2014 4:48 pm

    Iconic Culture Rich Concert Tours of the 80s

    http://images3.aystatic.com/events/38860/58211_home_hero.jpg?1375154067

  46. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2014 4:56 pm

    Tell me this TB, looking back, did you get any overall benefit from your time in the army?

    No …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Get thee over to tosy’s art blog for some learnin’ TB

    I was referring to Blu Poles in particular, TR … I too have enjoyed ToSY’s art blog (led to this particular one, remember) …

    http://WWW.stutter is not Wally, Wally can’t stick photos up … could be Wally’s lovechild tho’, makes as much sense …

  47. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2014 4:59 pm

    Wally can’t change his gravatar either … probably ToM … he had a period (LOL!) when he kept changing names and gravatars … bit like ToSY …

  48. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:01 pm

    I was quite fond of Gough. University, public health, repositioning Australia internationally and getting us out of Vietnam.

    It all had to be done.

  49. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:02 pm

    Tony’s art classes are a revelation.

  50. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:03 pm

    My change was due to a writing recognition fault in my mobile

  51. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:14 pm

    was due to a writing recognition fault in my mobile

    Are you sure it was a fault? Perhaps it just recognised you couldn’t write 😉

  52. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:18 pm

    I see the gubmints right wing mouth pieces are bagging the crap out of Gough.

    At least with thatcher the ones bagging her were people whose lives were directly trashed by her policies.

    Here, we have the likes of dolt, who benefited from Whitlams policies kicking him on the day he died.

    And I note the libs can’t say the words “great”. Instead, they are portraying him as a “myth” already.

    Sorry, but no matter how hard they try to unwind it, Whitlams social fabric is a reality we Australians are used to and mostly appreciative off.

    The prats are just small minded minnows

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/damaging-costly-transformative-how-the-right-remembered-gough-whitlam-20141021-1193s8.html#ixzz3Gk9m24us

  53. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:32 pm

    He did, however, tie Whitlam’s welfare policies to Jones’ own long-running crusade against “dole bludgers”.

    From TR’s link above … so just what productive work has Shiny Arse Jones done in a lifetime of BS? Haranguing football players and rednecks isn’t exactly doing anything except wasting people’s time?

    A big mouth is just that a big mouth … hippos have big mouths but they are far more productive than Alan Jones and the Nut & Bolt …

  54. Wicked Wizard of the West permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:42 pm

    “”I was quite fond of Gough. University, public health, repositioning Australia internationally and getting us out of Vietnam. “”

    William McMahon was 63 when he became Prime Minister of Australia. He stayed in office for 21 months, during which time he announced the withdrawal of Australian troops from Vietnam.

    http://www.nma.gov.au/primeministers/william_mcmahon

  55. October 21, 2014 5:45 pm

    Essentially Gerard Henderson can go and fuck himself.. his legacy is being a burnt out old cunt that nobody takes seriously because he is an outright bold face liar who isn’t a jouno’s ass more an apologist for the indefensible idiot PM.

    RIP Comrade….Rockdale Town hall Steps 1975 with dad, a true believer and unionist. I remember the electric hope abuzz in the air. It felt like I was witnessing the dawn of a new era in Australia. I was one without the Torry poor cousin poms kissing the popes ring and the queens ass.

    RIP Comrade Gough your legacy is immense, your inspiration long standing. You will forever represent the progressive and hopeful “can do” attitude that makes Australia great.

    Let the legacy speak for itself and not be tarnished by the chatter of the bitter inferior blinkered ideologists, rather shine like a beacon of hope to inspire our progression as a egalitarian multicultural society who doesn’t leave anyone behind.

    I thank you because I was the first in my family to go to UNI and get a degree after slogging it out as a tradie.

    ‪#‎australianlegend‬ ‪#‎comrade‬ ‪#‎thetallestorder‬ ‪#‎greataustralian‬

  56. October 21, 2014 5:55 pm

    “The Wicked Wizard of Walrus?”

    Very astute there Tony… 🙂

  57. Wicked Wizard of the West permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:55 pm

    “”RIP Comrade Gough your legacy is immense, your inspiration long standing. You will forever represent the progressive and hopeful “can do” attitude that makes Australia great.””

    You think he can hear you ?

    Kook Koo Kook Koo !

  58. Wicked Walrus of the West permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:56 pm

    “”Very astute there Tony…””

  59. October 21, 2014 5:57 pm

    Well you think Julie Bishop can hear you when you’re home alone with a box of tissues!

  60. Wicked Walrus of the West permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:58 pm

    Hehehehehehehehehe……………!

  61. Wicked Walrus of the West permalink
    October 21, 2014 5:59 pm

    “”….is not Wally, Wally can’t stick photos up …””

    “”Wally can’t change his gravatar either … “”

    Hehehehehehehehehehe………………….!

  62. October 21, 2014 6:27 pm

  63. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 21, 2014 6:43 pm

    As usual with Labor govts, Gough’s economic record was not very good.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/The-year-the-economy-went-bung/2004/12/31/1104344983057.html

    “It was the year the Australian economy went bung. It began with unemployment at 2 per cent, but ended with it heading for 5 per cent. A generation of jobs for everyone was over.

    It was the year wages and prices soared out of control. Consumer prices rose 16 per cent, yet wages topped that, rising 28 per cent as powerful unions came back for a second or even a third round of pay rises.

    It may seem strange to us but unemployment at 5% back in 1974 was regarded as immoral. Today it would be regarded as a good result.

  64. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 21, 2014 6:47 pm

    ‘Let me make quite clear that I am for abortion and, in your case Sir, we should make it retrospective:’

    Gough Whitlam

  65. Tony permalink
    October 21, 2014 6:55 pm

    Everyone’s being terribly nice about Gough (here and elsewhere), which is only right. He was certainly charismatic, and larger than life.

  66. Tony permalink
    October 21, 2014 6:56 pm

    (…………….I picked Wally by the dots…………………!)

  67. October 21, 2014 6:59 pm

    or in Nils case.. as Hokey borrows 7 billion dollars that matures in 2036

    “The punters know that the horse named Morality rarely gets past the post, whereas the nag named Self-interest always runs a good race.”

    Gough Whitlam

  68. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 21, 2014 7:16 pm

    Whitlam was certainly incompetent in economics, but many economists were too.

    The big spending and reform program might have been less fraught in other times, but the oil shock, causing the stagflation, was exacerbated by the Whitlam Government.

    But university access, universal health care, recognition of China, Vietnam, women’s rights, vote at 18, foreign affairs…it’s a pretty good legacy.

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 21, 2014 7:31 pm

    McMahon trailed along with Nixon in Vietnam. That’s his legacy.

  70. TB Queensland permalink
    October 21, 2014 7:40 pm

    “”….is not Wally, Wally can’t stick photos up …””

    “”Wally can’t change his gravatar either … “”

    Hehehehehehehehehehe………………….!

    LOL! Do you think we’d let you get away with it? LOL! Sucked in sunshine …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    … vote at 18 …

    Thank nashos for that ToM, they argued that at 20 we couldn’t legally drink or vote but we could be legally shot at killed or wounded!

    McMahon was a wimp … although from memory I believe he was a fighter pilot (happy to be corrected) …

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 21, 2014 7:53 pm

    So I hear TB

    Off to the deep north this evening! No surf on Darwin

  72. Tom R permalink
    October 21, 2014 8:04 pm

    From nils link, the money quote

    In October 1973, the OPEC cartel doubled world oil prices. Inflation worldwide shot into double digits, and the West slumped into recession.

    But of course, it’s all Labor’s fault 😉

  73. October 21, 2014 9:29 pm

    McMahon trailed along with Nixon in Vietnam. That’s his legacy.

    Well after Pig Iron Bob you would be hard pressed to find a more hated PM than McMahon until the dismissal… Its fair to say that Fraser redeemed himself after a treacherous act…but then came Abbott… the new high bar in despised contempt

    Imagine Abbott’s legacy.. … what biggest cunt in the shortest time….I hope he is barred from Gough funeral… (its a private event ) If Abbott turns up to the public gathering he will be castigated as he should.

  74. October 21, 2014 9:35 pm

    Well you think Julie Bishop can hear you when you’re home alone with a box of tissues!

    Priceless Reb just priceless..

    Of course….fiberaliteweight fucktardery dont understand respect
    they prefer the foul stench of burning flesh to the sweet smell of diplomacy.

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 21, 2014 9:51 pm

    …But university access, universal health care, recognition of China, Vietnam, women’s rights, vote at 18, foreign affairs…it’s a pretty good legacy…

    Add legal aid and land rights, it’s an unmatched legacy, the man did more in three years than any others have done before or since.

    The coalition have spent their every waking moment trying to dismantle the whitlam reforms and the progression of our society.

    Blocking supply and obstinate obstruction of the elected government and parliament, that is the legacy and ‘vision’ of the coalition…always.

    Obituary: Gough Whitlam’s Ideas Must Live On:
    https://newmatilda.com/2014/10/21/obituary-gough-whitlams-ideas-must-live

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 21, 2014 10:36 pm

    Margaret Whitlam was a reformer too. What a team!

  77. Meta permalink
    October 22, 2014 3:19 am

    (“Bucket”………………………………………………..!

    Indeed. Dunlop‘s lucky to be typing his missive and not to have been preventive-detained, for talking about a revolution.

    Otherwise, simply, Vale Gough Whitlam.)

  78. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 22, 2014 7:56 am

    We shall ever be in his debt (or at least we were until Costello paid it off).

  79. Tony permalink
    October 22, 2014 8:00 am

    It’s a wall-to-wall lefty love-in on the ABC.

    Comrades.

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2014 8:17 am

    Greg Sheridan has a different view

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/busting-decades-of-myths-on-gough-whitlam/story-fnpxuhqd-1227097838305

    But sentimentality, and the overwhelming power of the Labor myth-making machine, should not blind us to the central fact of Whitlam: he was the worst prime minister in our history ……….Whitlam acted with conspicuous cruelty towards the Vietna­mese who had worked with Australian forces and Australian diplomats during the war between South Vietnam and North ­Vietnam……………Whitlam’s economic record was ruinous. He produced massively increased unemployment, the highest level in Australia since the great Depression. Inflation got above 20 per cent at one stage. This was partly influenced by the international oil shocks but the outcome in Australia was much worse than in comparable countries. In 1974-75, government spending increased by 40 per cent, plainly a state of madness. Tax increased by 30 per cent.

  81. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 22, 2014 8:23 am

    And as I said earlier, he virtually gave the nod to the invasion of East Timor.

  82. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2014 8:50 am

    It’s a wall-to-wall lefty love-in on the ABC.

    And a hate in at newcorpse.

  83. Walrus permalink
    October 22, 2014 8:58 am

    “………….should not blind us to the central fact of Whitlam: he was the worst prime minister in our history ……….””

    Sheridan must have written that obituary before the 2007 federal election

  84. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2014 9:00 am

    Labor myth-making machine

    intones the liberal bullshit making automaton lol

  85. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2014 9:21 am

    something for the haterz to contemplate

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 22, 2014 10:30 am

    Whitlam was a polarising figure. Sheridan has been polarised to the dickhead end of the spectrum.

    Anyone who calls Whitlam ‘the worst Prime Minister’ has deliberately ignored Fraser, McMahon and Gillard.

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 10:32 am

    Blocking supply and obstinate obstruction of the elected government and parliament, that is the legacy and ‘vision’ of the coalition…always.

    And yet when Fraser became caretaker PM he allowed the budget through the senate … hyprocrisy writ large … the “landslide” win to Fraser tho’ has always bemused me …

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 10:34 am

    (or at least we were until Costello paid it off).

    And here I was thinking it was boom in mineral sales to China … thank christ for Pete …

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 10:38 am

    And a hate in at newcorpse.

    Newscorpse … LOL! 🙂

    Anyone who calls Whitlam ‘the worst Prime Minister’ has deliberately ignored Fraser, McMahon and Gillard. … Howard, Rudd, Abbott and potentially Shorten …

    WWII really fkd us … hey?

  90. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2014 11:11 am

    “And here I was thinking it was boom in mineral sales to China … thank christ for Pete

    I have to comment on this. Why is it TB that Labor supporters like yourself are so deceitful?

    The mining boom did not start until 2004. By 2004 Costello had paid off the bulk of govt debt.

    Why tell lies? The answer is because you are incapable of telling the truth.

    The main beneficiaries of the mining boom was Rudd/Gillard. The mining boom exploded under Labor and they wasted every single cent of the boom.

    The Rudd/Gillard govt- the worst govt in Australian history, voted for by the worst people in Australian history.

  91. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 22, 2014 11:13 am

    ‘WWII really fkd us … hey?’

    Ben Chifley wasn’t our worst PM.

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 11:36 am

    <iI have to comment on this. Why is it TB that Labor supporters like yourself are so deceitful?

    Get fucked!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Ben Chifley wasn’t our worst PM.

    Did I say that? Menzies fkd that up … that’s why Chifley had to take the baton … then AFTER WWII Menzies took the baton … and then ………………………………………….

  93. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 22, 2014 11:50 am

    ‘Did I say that?’

    He took over the top job in 1945 on the death of Curtin and was reelected handsomely in 1946, then defeated in 1949.

    He got through a lot of Bills during his brief time as light on the hill.

  94. October 22, 2014 11:52 am

    Let the haters hate …it will consume them as does the divisive hatred of blinkered lemming ideologists, fodder for their overloards . Achievements in policy legacy soars galently above the bitter rhetoric of lesser men.

    Gough said yes and he did…Abbott says no and he will not….

    I think this comment defines this government in ideology, compassion, humility and intellectual capacity

    Christopher Pyne

    “I remember my mother was ironing, I was watching Adventure Island and my mother started crying. I thought I wonder why?

    “I have to let you in on a secret, she wasn’t crying out of sadness when she heard the Whitlam government had been dismissed. She was crying out of joy.”

    Well its simple..
    The fiberals have Pig Iron Bob Menzies and John Howard… nothin else…
    No Curtin, No Ben Chiffley No Billy Hughes
    No Caldwall
    No Jack lang
    no PJ Keating, Bob Hawke…
    and certainly no Gough…

    All the haters that voted for Tony Abbott, who has marked the lowest ebb of political discourse in Australian political history by pissing on intellectual rigour are reminded of what they have done. They cannot accept the greatness of Goughs legacy because it reminds them of the idiot they have inflicted upon Australia due to their blind hatred…

    Gough unites us Abbott divides us…

    Nobody likes to be reminded of the fact that they were conned because it makes them look stupid…

    The difference between Labor Legacy and Liberal Legacy…is one is written in the statutes as Law with conviction, vision in the national interest …

    The other is concocted from agenda’s opinion in the pages of a propaganda rag used to wrap tomorrows garbage for self serving interest..

    Liberals hate progression as it reminds them of their vacuous vision.. they can only look backward and treat progression with suspicion until it serves their own convenient ends

  95. Walrus permalink
    October 22, 2014 11:59 am

    Ricky……………………I’m so glad you are not a “Hater”

  96. October 22, 2014 12:16 pm

    Nils quotes Greg Shereden rewriting history by rewriting history with the immoral rant again…
    this proves my point…

    Nils Squeal or whatever the paid low rent imbecilic troll.is called. is so patently embarrassed by Abbott he is lying through his own shame of denial.. like a catholic priest child molester shamed by their own compulsive immoral acts

    Nils projects his profound ignorant failed judgement by attacking those who glare the bright light of reality upon his dilated lemming pupils after the fervent rush of faux hatred has rescinded into the reality of what Abbott really constitutes… A Lie.

    The only place to go is hate, the only thing to do is attack those who saw through the rhetorical lies …

    Nils has an Abbott hangover ..he has woken up hating himself, angry and confused.. cutting and pasting to build a world from clippings of lies in a torturous involuntary act of self denial before the revelation….

    As with the mentally ill, insanity temporary or otherwise is more to be pitied than despised.

  97. October 22, 2014 12:18 pm

    As I am….you are neither Wally….
    I forgive you.. 🙂

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2014 12:34 pm

    “Get fucked!”

    Why ?

    “And here I was thinking it was boom in mineral sales to China … thank christ for Pete
    …”

    The mining boom did not start until 2004. By then most of the debt had been paid off. Here are the commodity prices.

    http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/commodity-prices.html

    Do i think TB you are a dishonest person.

    ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 12:54 pm

    Why ?
    Do i think TB you are a dishonest person.

    ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go fuck yourself!

    .

  100. October 22, 2014 12:55 pm

    Seek Help Squeal.. I know it must be be bleak out there in Abbott troll central , what with the leader being clinically insane and all ..

    Then again you are probably on a 457 with a minimum 1 hr call out on 3rd word broadband and work choices… probably cant afford a trip to a GP..
    Just try and seek help
    We know you hurt with all that hatred.. its OK Tony will be gone soon and the delusion will be over.

  101. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 1:02 pm

    The bubble chart below shows exports to China for each state and territory from 1988 to September 2013, according to ABS figures

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-13/australia27s-trade-relationship-with-china/5088618

    Why, Kneel? Why?

    Because I’m sick of your bullshit, nonsense, and really lying because when your ignorance or lying is proven to be just that you just ignore it and keep on living the liberal lie …

    If anyone here is a TROLL in the true sense of the word its YOU … you don’t recognise when your wrong or apologise when you insult people … you are actually the worst commenter I’ve come across in almost a decade …

    So just FUCK OFF and play your bullshit somewhere else … I for one am sick of feeding you …

  102. October 22, 2014 1:14 pm

    *preparing a tray of snacks and some drinks… *

  103. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 22, 2014 1:15 pm

    That’s terrific, I just invited some Anarchists over to have a close look at Trash. They will be impressed by the banter.

  104. Tony permalink
    October 22, 2014 1:16 pm

    😆

  105. Walrus permalink
    October 22, 2014 1:27 pm

    *preparing a tray of snacks and some drinks… *

    Mmmmmmmmm………………..what about the popcorn ?

  106. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 22, 2014 1:31 pm

    … you don’t recognise when your wrong or apologise when you insult people … 

    TB, I think you mean “you’re “

  107. Walrus permalink
    October 22, 2014 1:31 pm

    FFS even the modern ALP accepts that Whitlam’s economic legacy was woeful. Why cant you Lefties.

    Despite all his many achievements he was no political saint.

    Ya gotta take the good with the bad.

    And I don’t accept that he was our worst PM. Since you cant measure a PM just by their economic track record.

    Gillard and Rudd can stand side by side to hold that trophy aloft

  108. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2014 1:32 pm

    Why ?

    It just might liberate whatever that redneck blockage is between your cerebral cortex and it’s synapses ❓

  109. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2014 1:33 pm

    FFS even the modern ALP accepts that Whitlam’s economic legacy was woeful.

    Can you put that link up for us wallywiz?

  110. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2014 1:34 pm

    you are actually the worst commenter I’ve come across in almost a decade …

    And on the same thread egg is trolling. wow 😯 😉

  111. October 22, 2014 1:38 pm

    “TB, I think you mean “you’re “”

    LOL! TB’s gonna have a hernia!

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2014 1:39 pm

    “Go fuck yourself!”

    Here is the figure from your own link

    The mining boom did not start until 2004 and then exploded under Rudd/Gillard.

    Have i made a mistake??

    Do i think TB of Queensland is a dishonest person?

    ABSOLUTELY!!!!

  113. October 22, 2014 1:48 pm

    Gillard and Rudd can stand side by side to hold that trophy aloft

    Standing on the shoulders of Pig Iron Menzies and little Johnie Coward and still not come withing an atmosphere of Walter Mitty Abbott’s stratospheric fucktardery in just 12 months… a hands down trumps Misère of even Billy Big Ears McMahon …

    Didnt Reb decide not to poke fun at the mentally ill tolls … so I will lay off the brain damages Eggina and Nils of Sodomy.

    Tray of snacks….? Nothing with Egg thanks I’m allergic to bullshit.

  114. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 22, 2014 2:43 pm

    ‘And on the same thread egg is trolling.’

    That’s Mr Boxtroll to you, shortarse.

  115. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 3:20 pm

    The mining boom did not start until 2004 and then exploded under Rudd/Gillard.

    That’s really the childish ignorance that’s so annoying … you obviously don’t understand charts (particularly trending) … nor do you understand the mining process …

    Now YOU’RE not alone in that, Kneel, but if I took the time to explain it to someone, they might, just might, do some research to verify it (or not) and then either argue their point intelligently or concede the point gracefully …

    You don’t … if a point is proven … you repeat the original BS … your “research” is to find more BS that “proves” your point.

    And constantly calling people liars might make you feel good but it doesn’t work if YOU constantly lie and obfuscate based upon your ignorance …

    I still get the impression that you are a Young Liberal troll … if YOU’RE not then YOUR brain has obviously never matured and its pointless carrying on an adult conversation with you …

    … either scenario explains why you carry on like a wannabe Private School Bully … with Prefect Abbott …

    Oh, and the mining boom started in 1988 it began to produce massively around 2004 … mines aren’t just big holes dug willy-nilly in the ground … they take years to plan and develop …

  116. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2014 3:31 pm

    Another picture from your link at 1.02PM

    Another link from the Reserve Bank. This time the Terms of Trade

    http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/images/15-commodity-prices/15br-tot-small.gif?accessed=2014-10-22-15-26-46

    The mining boom did not start until 2004 and the terms of trade under Rudd/Gillard were at record levels.

    You may be able to fool the ALP supporters on this blog but you cannot fool me. It should also be stated that when Costello was paying off debt the State govts (all Labor) were racking it up. To say that Costello paid off debt because of the mining boom is just a lie.

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 3:56 pm

    To say that Costello paid off debt because of the mining boom is just a lie.

    Talk about tragic … uneducated too … immature … lacking any social graces … probably lives next door to Iain Hall …

  118. October 22, 2014 4:12 pm

    To say that Costello paid off debt because of the mining boom is just a lie.
    Yes Nils is a liar just like Costello

    http://www.percapita.org.au/_dbase_upl/After%20the%20Party_Final4.pdf

    Hatcher… nailed it
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/tony-abbotts-psychostyle-attack-on-spending-demolishes-fiscal-fantasy-20140502-zr3do.html

  119. Walrus permalink
    October 22, 2014 4:29 pm

    “”FFS even the modern ALP accepts that Whitlam’s economic legacy was woeful.

    Can you put that link up for us wallywiz?…………””

    How about Richo and Troy Bramson for starters.

    Ratther than put a link up I’ll rephrase it to

    “”FFS even the modern ALP accepts that Whitlam’s economic legacy was woeful. Only its zealots would say otherwise””.

    That gets you covered TomR

  120. October 22, 2014 4:43 pm

    I think Universal Healthcare, and some of his other achievements, quite admirable. Certainly a far better option than a US style ‘system’.
    I’m more than happy to pay (more, within reason) tax to ensure such safety nets.

    I also think that, as mentioned above, the predictable sections of politics have been working to dismantle & undermine it all ever since.

  121. October 22, 2014 4:45 pm

    The SMH link, put up by RPann, is illuminating.

  122. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2014 4:53 pm

    Talk about tragic … uneducated too … immature … lacking any social graces”

    Govt debt was 19% of GDP in 1996 and rapidly rising. By 2004 when the mining boom started it was approx 1% of GDP. Costello paid off most of the debt before the mining boom started.

    The major mining boom happened under Rudd/Gillard who did not save a cent.

    Howard paid off $96B of govt debt, started a $80B Future Fund and left $29B in the kitty as well.

    You ALP supporters believe what you want to believe. You live in a fantasy world and do nothing but damage to peoples lives.

    “The SMH link, put up by RPann, is illuminating.”

    Hartcher is an ALP supporter. Howard left govt debt at minus 3.8% of GDP. Yes that is right we had money in the bank. Howard also left a budget in surplus and unemployment at 4%

  123. October 22, 2014 4:57 pm

    Not like you to miss the point of the article to maintain a facile thrust, kneel. 🙄

    You did notice the criticism of the last several governments in there, I trust?

  124. Walrus permalink
    October 22, 2014 5:04 pm

    1) Howard spent from surpluses

    2) Gillard and Rudd spent the surpluses and borrowed to do so

    3) The outlying years are where the real problems are i.e. NDIS and Gonski

    From Ricky’s link

    “”But Abbott and Hockey have decided to take on the task. This is a national good. Rather than entrench this fiscal carelessness and let the problem mount, Abbott and Hockey are setting themselves to correct it.””

    Yes……….Hatcher nailed it

  125. October 22, 2014 5:06 pm

    The SMH link, put up by RPann, is illuminating…

    Well only to those who are so ashamed of the here and now that they prefer to hen pick histories scraps for the remnants of perceived triumphant victories of ideology…so as to stitch them together as a burqa cloaking them from the idiocy of defending the indelibly indefensible….

    Look at Nils poor sick bastard.. cant look at a mans legacy.. prefers to deny Hoknomics and his 7 bill debt to 2036 , blame labor and get all stiff and gooey over a fucking fire salesman dishing out vote bribes and spending like there is no tomorrow after he’s sold the farm…… then has the hide to castigate a government for saving us from economic apocalypse…

    You cant put brains in a statue in denial…he’s another one trick pony..hate and bluff with nothin…

  126. October 22, 2014 5:06 pm

    He also highlighted the unnecessarily blunt & poorly targeted approach they were using to do so.

  127. October 22, 2014 5:08 pm

    * Hartcher, I mean. Was a response to the wizard…

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 5:09 pm

    Yes……….Hatcher nailed it

    As usual only half the tale … the poor, the old, the young, the out of work, ADF personnel and the weak are meant to pay …

    When negative gearing, family trusts, post pollie perks are gone … then I’ll believe in the sincerity of ANY government …

  129. October 22, 2014 5:20 pm

    “only half the tale”

    The very same half fixated on by kneel.

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 5:24 pm

    RP Hockey is obviously a gambler … I guess the cocky cigar vid demonstrated a particular mindset …

  131. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 5:25 pm

    The very same half fixated on by kneel.

    Who can well and truly get rooted!

  132. Walrus permalink
    October 22, 2014 5:26 pm

    “”He also highlighted the unnecessarily blunt & poorly targeted approach they were using to do so.”

    The article was actually a bit all over the place in attaching blame. Which is fair enough.

    Only a zealot would just target Howard and Costello

  133. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2014 5:27 pm

    rich, modern ALP 😆 😆

    So, no link then 😯

  134. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2014 5:28 pm

    Only a zealot would just target Howard and Costello

    and inverse.

  135. Walrus permalink
    October 22, 2014 5:28 pm

    “”… the poor, the old, the young, the out of work, ADF personnel and the weak are meant to pay … “”

    Really…………….?

    Ever heard of bracket creep ?

  136. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 22, 2014 5:37 pm

    “1) Howard spent from surpluses”

    Exactly. And you alter your policies depending on the circumstances- at least you should.

    But let us try and understand what they are saying. Costello surpluses were too small they proclaim. Instead of running a $20B surplus Costello should have run a $40B surplus.

    If Costello ran a $40B surplus there would have been rioting in the streets.

  137. October 22, 2014 5:44 pm

    That sound you just heard was the point zooming past you unnoticed, kneel!

  138. Walrus permalink
    October 22, 2014 5:54 pm

    “If Costello ran a $40B surplus there would have been rioting in the streets.””

    Probably but even in business before you give your shareholders whats left over you put aside some of your profits/surpluses each year to renew your infrastructure/machinery. Its called depreciation and you give your shareholders ‘the balance after tax.

    Costello should have spent more on infrastructure (very Keynesian) whereas Rudd/Gillard just wasted Billions on crap like pink batts and school halls which add precisely fuck all to future economic prosperity.

    And Lefties don’t feed us the crap line……..

    School halls = better education = better economy

    As the equation is actually more like………..

    School halls = better music lessons = better chance of appearing on the X Factor = Zero economic advancement

  139. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 22, 2014 6:06 pm

    ‘Costello should have spent more on infrastructure (very Keynesian)’

    Abbott will make amends.

  140. October 22, 2014 6:32 pm

    What about what these fuckwits are doing now? Nils your just a brain damaged fuckwit living in the past

  141. Tom R permalink
    October 22, 2014 6:43 pm

    which add precisely fuck all to future economic prosperity.

    Because School halls = better education = better economy

    But, I’m guessing you already knew that 😉

  142. TB Queensland permalink
    October 22, 2014 7:20 pm

    Ever heard of bracket creep ?

    Ever heard of everyone? You think it only affects YOU?

    Like CPI only affects the rich … CPA* weasel words … ?

    Costello should have spent more on infrastructure (very Keynesian) whereas Rudd/Gillard just wasted Billions on crap like pink batts and school halls which add precisely fuck all to future economic prosperity.

    You got the first bit right! Rudd and Gillard needed to keep the economy alive … heard of the multiplier effect?

    You don’t have any kids who benefitted from school halls that’s for sure and I’d guess you don’t have any poor rellies who benefitted from insulation program either … test tube baby …

    Two different economic circumstances …

    And before you start … you may recall I stated my concerns about the program at the time …

  143. Tony permalink
    October 23, 2014 3:35 pm

    Haha. “Kevin Rudd reviews Gough Whitlam’s career, and reveals the gigantic aircraft component that brought Whitlam down”

  144. Tony permalink
    October 23, 2014 7:27 pm

    I think Kev meant fusillade.

  145. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 25, 2014 10:40 am

    And for another POV

    http://spectator.org/articles/60719/goodbye-australia%E2%80%99s-worst-pm

    To gain credence in the Third World, Whitlam granted Papua New Guinea independence long before it had a trained and educated class capable of running it. Despite mineral wealth, it is now a typical corrupt broken-backed third world state, kept barely afloat by Australian aid.

    When Saigon fell in April 1975, Whitlam directed the Royal Australian Air Force not to evacuate Vietnamese who had worked for the Australians and whose lives were at risk. Huge Hercules transport aircraft flew out of Saigon and Da Nang empty. He even frustrated U.S. attempts to get them out. The blood of the Australian-associated Vietnamese who died in jungle re-education camps is on Whitlam’s hands.

    Later, in opposition, Whitlam and his cohorts would lead an unsuccessful campaign to refuse sanctuary to Vietnamese boat-people, and demanded their forcible repatriation, à la Yalta. His minister for immigration, Clyde Cameron, spread false statements that they were prostitutes and black-marketeers who were riddled with an incurable venereal disease.

  146. October 30, 2014 7:57 am

    ””It’s a wall-to-wall lefty love-in on the ABC.””’

    ””Comrades.””’

    Yes it was Tinfoil`osy (sickeningly so)
    (and much like this thread) his fcuking financial mis-management is the root cause of much of what`s wrong today,

    thank fcuk he`s gone and no longer leeching gold-card privileges out of the system, while struggle-street keeps having much needed things cut,

    what an irresponsible git

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