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Look what They’re Trying to do with Our Welfare Money!

October 24, 2014

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Under the auspices of “caring for the unemployed,” the heinous Abbott government is currently colluding with the big banks to introduce a new controversial scheme that would see welfare recipients issued with a debit card to ensure they use their benefits for things like food and clothing and not on necessities like gambling and alcohol.

The proposal was recommended by social philanthropist and erstwhile mining magnate Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest  as part of his self-published and so-called “review of indigenous employment and training,” released in August of this year.

Mr Forrest’s “welfare management scheme” would see all welfare payments to all Australians, other than age or veterans’ pensions, paid into a savings account, which would then be accessed by a “health welfare card”.

It would be fully redeemable at any Australian shop that accepts Visa and MasterCard with electronic and EFTPOS payment facilities.

The government has been examining Mr Forrest’s 256-page report, which also suggested parents should lose their family payments if their children wagged school.

This would direct “spending to purchases that sustain and support a healthy lifestyle for the recipients and any children … and to savings for larger expenses”.

When the report was handed down, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said the government had “no plans” to expand welfare quarantining as widely as Mr Forrest had recommended.

However, just yesterday, the “head”of the Department of Social Services, Mr Finn Pratt (yes, that is his real name),  told a Senate committee that the government had been “talking to the banks” about the struggling mining magnate’s suggestions.

This comes after Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister Alan Tudge (yes “Tudge”), told The Gutter Trash  earlier on Thursday that he would be having “further discussions in weeks ahead with the banks in relation to [the card’s] technical feasibility, its practicalities and its costs”.

He said the idea behind the card would be to prevent the “absolute destruction” which alcohol is causing in some communities.

More than 20,000 Australians currently have their incomes managed voluntarily or compulsorily around Australia in places including the Northern Territory, Perth, the Kimberley region, South Australia and Cape York, with trials in local government areas, including Bankstown, Greater Shepparton and Ceduna.

Some welfare recipients have their incomes managed to deal with issues around child protection, financial hardship. and drug and alcohol dependency.

Other people have their incomes managed simply because they have been on a particular benefit – such as Youth Allowance – for three of the previous six months.

Another scheme under consideration is to simply scrap welfare payments altogether.  This would slash the amount of welfare money spent on drugs and alcohol by almost 100% said Mr Tudge.

The current schemes, which were introduced by Coalition and Labor governments, quarantine at least half of a person’s payment for necessary items and prevent spending on things such as alcohol, cigarettes, home brew kits and pornography.

These schemes are due to end in mid 2015 and mid 2016 and so the government is considering new measures to stop the waste.

Welfare groups have warned that increasing controls around how people spent their welfare payments could backfire, arguing that existing controls already cost the Commonwealth $1 billion without producing results and stigmatise people on low incomes in the process.

But earlier this month, an evaluation found that in the Anangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara Lands of South Australia, the introduction of voluntary income management had helped people with chronic financial management problems.

Another evaluation of trials around Australia found some people who volunteered for income management were less likely to run our of money for food and accommodation.

Greens senator Rachel Siewert said forced income management was not fair and “not the right way to treat people”.

“We know it has a detriment impact on people’s sense of control over their decision making.”

She added that Mr Forrest’s proposal would not be cost neutral to the banks.

The government will consider the Forrest recommendations together with the McClure review into the welfare system, which is due to be completed in November.

 

 

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107 Comments leave one →
  1. October 24, 2014 11:59 am

    Kevin Andrews a moralist terrorist associated with known religious radical hate groups and Twiggy the corporate welfare recipient epitomise this governments ideological ineptitude to govern for all Australians
    They need the boot. Pure and simple

  2. October 24, 2014 12:05 pm

    “Liberals” should be unwinding the nanny-state, not expanding it.

  3. October 24, 2014 12:59 pm

    I love that term Nanny state its usually over used by people who consider themselves and their actions above the rest of society, seeking to impose their version of correct upon us all whist in contradiction asserting oppression.. People like Forrest and Andrews..

    The term Nanny state is a term of convenience used by ideologues and those fucking libertarian douche’s to suit their own self centered fucktarery.

    It is usually used in conversations peppered with the terms freedom, free speech..ect

    Let me use it in a sentence…

    Plain paper packaging promotes the Nanny State not cancer
    Taking My Bazooka away just proves we live in a Nanny state
    Why should I pay tax to support the Nanny state
    The Nanny state stops me from saying anything I like to anyone I dislike
    If anyone thinks differently than me they live in a nanny state

    You are one heartless selfish Son of a Bitch
    You live in a nanny state man…

    Wow that was……. (immoral, racist, sexist, ageist, stupid, untruthful, wrong, offensive…ect)
    You live in a nanny state man…

    just sayin 🙂

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 24, 2014 1:07 pm

    Speaking of malingering, I saw an article today about one of the public service departments having an average of over 3 weeks of sickies per year.

    Public servants are such frail petals, they get the sniffles and have a day off 16 times a year.

    (Slackers)

  5. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 1:07 pm

    libs are the kings of the “Nanny State”

    Website blocking is not internet filtering: Australian government

    http://www.zdnet.com/website-blocking-is-not-internet-filtering-australian-government-7000034943/

    Not even an opt out clause

    Where’s the fucken free speech warriors now?

  6. October 24, 2014 1:22 pm

    Where’s the fucken free speech warriors now?

    Trying to cripple and privatise the ABC and anyone else that scuitinises them using actual journalism as opposed to opinion in opposition to Murdoch and the neocon mantra

    Its Nanny state when its in opposition to the ideologue
    and
    efficiency when it supports the ideologue…

    the modern liberal means conveniently liberal with the truth and linguistic double speak

  7. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 1:22 pm

    (Slackers)

    Maybe they should be surfing?

    btw, didn’t we just recently clarify the difference between ‘sickies” and other forms of paid leave?

    You’re starting to sound a lot like nil

  8. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 1:25 pm

    Trying to cripple and privatise the ABC

    I was actually implying those closer to home (eg this blog) Ricky.

    There was much outrage previously over “optin/optout”. Now that there is no longer even an opt out option, there is silence from thses ‘warriors’.

    Is it simply because of which party is being the Nanny?

  9. October 24, 2014 1:25 pm

    Speaking of malingering, I saw an article today about one of the public service departments having an average of over 3 weeks of sickies per year.

    🙄 Links proof ? or just general ass hat hatred ?

  10. October 24, 2014 1:30 pm

    Tom there is no in or out with this government…
    It for or against at any price…

    Its the government of division…
    They do what they want despite what they said..
    They Lie, they steal they cheat… they are corrupt
    They go 50 fold further than that which they castigated the last government for… they cant even pass a budget…
    This is a bad government full of baddies

  11. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 1:42 pm

    Its the government of division…

    And subtraction

    They subtracted from pension increases
    They subtracted from the NDIS
    They subtracted from the NBN
    They subtracted from the automotive industry
    They subtracted from the super clinics
    They subtracted from the ABC funding
    They subtracted from legal aid for the Indigenous
    They subtracted from the wages of Australian troops deployed oversea
    They subtracted from Australia’s world leading marine protection system
    They subtracted from pay rises for childcare workers
    They subtracted from pokie reform legislation
    They subtracted from compensation to the victims of bushfires
    They subtracted from Climate Commission
    They subtracted from pay rises from aged care workers
    They subtracted from funding to the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council
    They subtracted from $150 million from hospitals and health services.
    They subtracted from foreign aid budget
    They subtracted from The Australian Renewable Energy Agency
    They subtracted from caps on university fees
    They subtracted from …. you get the gist

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 24, 2014 1:59 pm

    Public servants at the government’s largest department took more than three weeks off work on average in the past year in “unscheduled absence,” mostly sickies.
    ————–
    The 35,000-strong Human Services has reported another increase in its rate of unscheduled absences with the average full-time public servant at DHS failing to front for work on 16.25 days in the 2013-2014 financial year.

    …slackers…

    They get plenty of RDOs and more than 3 weeks of sickies, no wonder the public service gets nothing done.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/public-service/australian-public-service-still-losing-the-war-against-sickies-20141023-11ahzt.html#ixzz3H1l3LWki

  13. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 2:23 pm

    mostly sickies.

    So, your initial comment was mostly bullshit?

    Public service departments are now forming sickie-busting units as new evidence emerges that the federal bureaucracy is still losing the battle to get its staff to show up for work each day.

    With the likes of dutton to face, you can hardly blame them 😉

  14. October 24, 2014 3:26 pm

    Here’s another source, not The Guardian , highlighting the negative impact of the, negotiated behind closed doors, TPP…

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/transpacific-partnership-agreement-secret-deal-means-bad-news-for-consumers-choice-warn/story-fnda1bsz-1227101177803

  15. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 4:30 pm

    could …..claims….if

    Really toiletbossy, you know how the argument runs, until we know for certain they are screwing us over, and exactly by how much (with receipts), there’s no need to worry.

    Of course, by the time we can worry, it’s all too late 😉

    Because, let’s face it, with the record this gubmints got, what’s to worry 😯

  16. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 4:31 pm

    According to a leaked chapter, there will be harsh penalties for copyright infringement which goes beyond current laws, and those who download just one song could find themselves in huge trouble.

    How will anyone ever be able to watch GOT anymore ❓

  17. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 24, 2014 4:36 pm

    Just met my first Green Army recruit, nice young man of 18 and straight out of private school.

  18. October 24, 2014 4:36 pm

    “Website blocking is not internet filtering: Australian government”

    Doublespeak at its finest!

    I’m sure the process of deciding & declaring what is blocked will be sooo transparent too.

  19. October 24, 2014 4:37 pm

    “How will anyone ever be able to watch GOT anymore”

    VPN’s?

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2014 4:48 pm

    TPP and Choice …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/transpacific-partnership-agreement-secret-deal-means-bad-news-for-consumers-choice-warn/story-fnda1bsz-1227101177803

    If this keeps up I just might become a fan of Wikileaks!

  21. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2014 4:50 pm

    They subtracted from The Australian Renewable Energy Agency

    And particularly the wind farm industry …

    I don’t see any mention of negative gearing, family trusts or post politics perqs, TR?

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2014 4:52 pm

    “How will anyone ever be able to watch GOT anymore”

    VPN’s?

    Well we won’t be able to BUY it! Season IV is still unavailable in BD format. Dumb and dumber …

    Maybe that’s why IS was set up?

  23. October 24, 2014 4:54 pm

    “Choice is calling on the government to release details of the TPP so the public can have a transparent debate on the issue.”

    Sounds fair enough.

    “When negotiations are concluded, the normal ratification processes will include extensive public and parliamentary consultation.” ~ Andrew Robb.

    So, if you take Robb at his word, the question is should everyone be involved during the negotiating process, along with all their vested interests, or are the negotiations better conducted in private, with the proposed agreement being put to the public and parliament at that point.

  24. October 24, 2014 5:06 pm

    Do you take Robb at his word? If so, why? Also, why should I?

    If it’s all upside, why the fucken secrecy?

    Once again, unaccountable decisions being made to fuck the plebs.

    Like this one…

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/power-companies-given-green-light-to-bait-and-switch-consumer-advocates-say/story-fnagkbpv-1227101030260

    The punter gets fucked no matter which way they turn. All such things only benefit GreedCorp. …it’s obvious who they’re ‘governing’ in favour of (hint: not us) and ‘competition’ driving prices down is just the illusion used to make us swallow it after the ink dries behind closed doors.
    Witness the SA electricity market; amongst other abominations against the consumer.

  25. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2014 5:08 pm

    He said he would be asking why Alan Joyce remained CEO despite the record financial loss, and extensive job shedding.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/angry-qantas-shareholders-grill-ceo-alan-joyce-at-agm/story-fncynjr2-1227100909483

    I reckon I would be too …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So, if you take Robb at his word, … I know where I’d take Robb … and certainly not his word … the man is a moron …

    As for your question ToSY … TRANSPARENCY …. I for one am sick of being treated like a mushroom by this government in particular …

  26. October 24, 2014 5:09 pm

    “If this keeps up I just might become a fan of Wikileaks!’

    If we don’t have something akin to wikileaks, TB, the thieves & their colluders in charge will fuck us even harder behind our backs.

    The only way that they are even marginally accountable to public opinion ( a supposed strength of ‘democracy’) is if the truth isn’t entirely obscured from the public.
    Personally, I’d rather know the truth and not like it, than exist on vapors and the scraps of information which a ‘betters’ deign to throw us if & when it suits their agenda.

  27. October 24, 2014 5:12 pm

    * which our betters…

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2014 5:16 pm

    Towellette, most folk are more amenable if they are involved …

    I’ve lived under a despot before and its not pleasant … and Sir Noddy Newman is a big fan of JBP, I believe …

    Its is 2014 … not 1814 … although the only thing that seems to change is the technology!

  29. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 5:19 pm

    I don’t see any mention of negative gearing, family trusts or post politics perqs, TR?

    I was getting rsi. There is a fairly extensive list here

    http://sallymcmanus.net/abbotts-wreckage/

    So, if you take Robb at his word then you’re a gullible twat!

    A Sydney restaurant owned by Tourism Minister Andrew Robb and his family is being promoted by a government-funded $40 million, 18-month Tourism Australia campaign that targets 17 key global markets to sell the Australian “foodie” experience to the world.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/governments-free-plug-for-tourism-minister-andrew-robbs-family-restaurant-20141022-11a0y5.html

  30. October 24, 2014 5:21 pm

    You say in secret, whereas others may say in private, the way negotiations are usually done for, I dunno, everything.

    If you won’t take Robb at his word then there’s nothing left but a conspiracy to trick and defraud the public. Which should sit well with the haters of this government.

  31. October 24, 2014 5:28 pm

    Or maybe it’s not as black & white as you’re trying to make me sound.

    Cynicism regarding such things seems to me to be the healthy option.

    You did note that that link above was from News.com FFS!? Not The Guardian …and quoted Choice, consumer advocates, presumably.

    What the fuck else was Robb going to say? apart from the fuck all information management he sold us?
    They’re going to fuck us behind our backs and then tell us after everything’s agreed.
    I know you’re not so naïve as to think otherwise.
    If it was the ALP you’d probably already be rankled by it.
    I doubt the ALP would behave any differently. This isn’t about partisan politics. It’s about our ruling class & their sponsors & those whom they hide behind the hems of, getting together in a back room, with the voters locked out until it’s too late…and evening up eachothers interests (ie. not the voters interests).

  32. October 24, 2014 5:35 pm

    Al I know is there are a lot of people getting very excited about what might maybe could happen. I can’t summon the required level of outrage right at the minute. I’ll get fired up if there is no consultation once the details are thrashed out. And how is this not going to have to go through parliament?

  33. Walrus permalink
    October 24, 2014 5:36 pm

    “A Sydney restaurant owned by Tourism Minister Andrew Robb and his family is being promoted by a government-funded $40 million, 18-month Tourism Australia campaign ….”

    Well being part of the neighbourhood I can assure you I wouldn’t send my dogs to eat there. You can get better pub food in Sydney than the crap they sell at the Boathouse.

    And dont even ask me about the fucking flies that gather there

  34. October 24, 2014 5:38 pm

    Yeah, like the security laws which fuck over the internet & journalistic freedom?

    If the two majors get together…and they will, the first thing we’ll all know about how fucked up it is is after the fact.

    I realise that you’re probably trying to be all ‘Free Trade’ cred and stuff, but if you can’t smell the inevitability then ideology is cauterising your nostrils.

  35. October 24, 2014 5:41 pm

    As for Choice, I’ve got no idea who they are. I thought they were supposed to compare vacuum cleaners and washing powder. Now they’re involved in politics? It wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve been captured by leftoids like most every other ‘institution’. Even as we speak, ex-Greens candidates and public transport advocates are trying to get on the board of the RACV, an organisation founded by motorists for motorists, which is supposed to advocate for better roads, not public transport.

  36. October 24, 2014 5:46 pm

    Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. It’s all the fault of the evil people trying to inform the public how they’re about to get shit upon from a great height, again.

    Evil institutions hell bent on exposing the consumer’s best interests.

  37. October 24, 2014 5:46 pm

    “Al I know is there are a lot of people getting very excited about what might maybe could happen.””

    You mean, like when it comes to a tewwa wist phweat in Australia?

  38. October 24, 2014 5:48 pm

    Choice have been around (at least) since I was at primary school. Must be a leftist cabal, like a sleeper cell just waiting to divulge ugly information about how a ‘free’ trade agreement might benefit foreign corporate entities more than the taxpaying cattle here.

  39. October 24, 2014 5:50 pm

    Of course you probably think that the other link, to electricity companies (‘providers’, not producers) being granted carte blanche deceiving contracted customers, is just anti-business propaganda too, I suppose?

  40. October 24, 2014 5:52 pm

    “Choice have been around (at least) since I was at primary school”

    The RACV’s been around since 1903, but that hasn’t stopped leftoids from trying to take it over.

  41. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 5:56 pm

    I doubt the ALP would behave any differently.

    Just to be politically partisan, but the ALP had refused to have these in any ‘free trade’ agreements, which seemed to be one of the main sticking blocks.

    They are dead against them.

  42. October 24, 2014 5:57 pm

    Hah! Just took a look at the board of Choice. It’s stacked with leftists. I fkn knew it.

    http://www.choice.com.au/~/media/Files/About%20us/Annual%20reviews/Annual%20review%202012-13.ashx

  43. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 24, 2014 6:09 pm

    ‘It wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve been captured by leftoids like most every other ‘institution’.’

    My bruvvers refer to them as the pseudo left.

  44. October 24, 2014 6:09 pm

    ergo the TPP must be awesome…and any wariness about its implications are totally unfounded, because…LEFTIIIIISTS!!11!!!!!!1!!11!!

  45. October 24, 2014 6:11 pm

    None so fucking blind…

    And the contribution from the ingratiator is about as sycophantic and predictable as usual; not to mention baseless.

  46. October 24, 2014 6:12 pm

    Advocating for the best interests of the consumer= The New leftism

  47. October 24, 2014 6:14 pm

    And, those notorious leftists, News.com, deciding to publicise the opinion of their communist mates in Choice!

    And you reckon it’s all a leftist conspiracy?! GMAFB

  48. Walrus permalink
    October 24, 2014 6:15 pm

    Now this is innovation = greater productivity=less bludging public servants

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/india-logs-on-to-check-if-public-servants-are-at-work-20141024-11b3nd.html

  49. October 24, 2014 6:16 pm

    Advocating for the consumer= Now Involved In Politics

  50. October 24, 2014 6:24 pm

    Check out the insidious exposes on Choice’s homepage!

    Such dastardly things as product reviews & assorted other attempts to add a bit of awareness to the buying habits of the consumer.

    Anti-FreeMarket Leftism at its worst!

    Should be filtered blocked from the internet by our benevolent governors.

  51. October 24, 2014 6:25 pm

    I have no issue with a crackdown on abuse of sick leave. I also have no issue with legitimate use of sick leave.

  52. October 24, 2014 6:28 pm

    “Advocating for the consumer= Now Involved In Politics”

    Or, now involved in politics under the guise of advocating for the consumer.

  53. October 24, 2014 6:35 pm

    “Should big business be able to appeal Australian government decisions at an international kangaroo court? CHOICE doesn’t think so.”

    Big Business. Kangaroo Court. (Did they mention Big Pharma and Big Tobacco. Hows about Big Coal.)

    Just he kind of language you’d expect to hear from leftist activists.

  54. October 24, 2014 7:03 pm

    Actually, they did mention Big Tobacco. I was only joking, thinking they’d at least pretend not to be part of the loony left. Too funny.

    http://www.choice.com.au/media-and-news/consumer-news/news/tpp-what-are-they-trading-away-231014.aspx

  55. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 7:04 pm

    It’s stacked with leftists.

    Yep, a representative from ASIC, a specialist in IPTV and Connected Home solutions, an executive director at a corporate advisory firm, a commissioner of the National Transport Commission and a managing director of a company that operates travel agency and currency exchange services in NSW

    fucken filthy leftist

    ROFL

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 24, 2014 7:07 pm

    Is it simply because of which party is being the Nanny?

    yep, seems the moralising libs love social engineering, it started as soon as they gained office. Now all that is left to free choice or privacy for us is our toilet time [even that has probably got a camera in it].
    Typical mindset of employers and it shows in this government as the policies are written by wealthy employers. They think if they pay you, they own you and can have you do whatever they like, bugger job descriptions, WH&S, conditions and entitlements, they see you as a paid slave and what is worse, they hate paying you for your efforts in creating their wealth. The same rentseeking employers wouldn’t get out of bed unless they were slung some taxpayer $.

    The freedom lovers are supremely quiet about all of these supposedly sacrosant freedoms that are being abused and eroded

    Public servants are such frail petals, they get the sniffles and have a day off 16 times a year.

    I’m one of those who thinks that if colleagues are sick they should stay home and not pass the illness on to everyone else at work. I get seriously pissed off when people are coughing and sneezing into the air that I breathe and I tell them to fuck of home.

    “…They get plenty of RDOs and more than 3 weeks of sickies, no wonder the public service gets nothing done…”

    “…Speaking of malingering, I saw an article today about one of the public service departments having an average of over 3 weeks of sickies per year…”

    They get 1 x RDO a month and that is because everyday they work 40 hr weeks, two hours more than others. It is not a ‘free’ day, it is already earned by them and paid not in overtime but as a day off in lieu.

    They can only take the sickies that they accrue, same as everyone else.

    I can tell you that public servants are working harder and longer than ever, they are the most monitored, regulated and oversighted employees in the country, and they get little financial rewards, bonuses or even a thank you from the public or their employer for their selfless efforts.

  57. October 24, 2014 7:19 pm

    I didn’t say they were all lefties, Tom R. I said the board was stacked with lefties. (I’d also add the CEO to that cohort.)

    You’ve mentioned five out of a board of 10. Why don’t ya give us a rundown on the incoming chair, for balance.

  58. Tom R permalink
    October 24, 2014 7:19 pm

    As I pointed out to yomm earlier, it isn’t three weeks of sickies

    He’s bullshitting ao 😉

    Typical mindset of employers and it shows in this government as the policies are written by wealthy employers.

    They’re not even hiding it anymore ao

    The government has been examining Mr Forrest’s 256-page report,

    Like a miner knows more about it than people who have studied it for years. It just shows the libs total disregard for knowledge and learning, facts and experience.

    But twiggies got a hunch.

  59. October 24, 2014 7:26 pm

    “Just he kind of language you’d expect to hear from leftist activists.”

    Your blinkers are obscuring what’s actually going on in front of you.

    I realise it must be difficult for a FreeMarket zealot to critically appraise the way in which a ‘free’ trade agreement may be freer for the megaliths than it is for the plebs.

  60. October 24, 2014 7:28 pm

    Attacks Choice…ignores the actual concerns & other examples of the consumer getting bent over.

  61. October 24, 2014 7:29 pm

    “I realise it must be difficult for a FreeMarket zealot to critically appraise the way in which a ‘free’ trade agreement may be freer for the megaliths than it is for the plebs.”

    Yeah, bad stuff MIGHT happen. *shudder*

  62. October 24, 2014 7:29 pm

    ‘Free’ Trade Agreement, more doublespeak.

  63. October 24, 2014 7:32 pm

    I still don’t know what I’m supposed to be so shit frightened about.

  64. October 24, 2014 7:33 pm

    Because less transparency is always better.

    Because they’ve earned our trust by always looking out for our best interests; especially protecting us from the latest boogeymen & ensuring that Gigantic Foreign Business gets to call the shots over citizens who can’t vote them out.

  65. October 24, 2014 7:36 pm

    “Gigantic Foreign Business gets to call the shots over citizens”

    Give me one example, so I can go and cower under my bed.

  66. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2014 7:37 pm

    You say in secret, whereas others may say in private, the way negotiations are usually done for, I dunno, everything.

    If you won’t take Robb at his word then there’s nothing left but a conspiracy to trick and defraud the public. Which should sit well with the haters of this government.

    Coupla things here, ToSY, the government works for US (chuckle) … not the we for THEM …

    Private/secret now you’re playing weasel words … and FYI “negotiations” are not done in secret … ALL the players are (well should be) involved …

    Remember the Hawke/Keating Accords? No-one has done that since then … mainly because they can’t but also because they don’t want to …

    As for “conspiracy” … its IS … as for “haters” … I don’t hate anyone … but I will not tolerate incompetents/incompetence but liars, cheats and thieves … and that is the image The Abbott Monastery is projecting …

    Don’t blame the critics … blame the poor behaviour of our Canberra workforce …

    Hah! Just took a look at the board of Choice. It’s stacked with leftists. I fkn knew it.

    Now you know how I feel about the catliks stacking the Federal Government!

    Or, now involved in politics under the guise of advocating for the consumer.

    LOL!~ GMAFB! Hilarious …

    Anyway … I’m now considering resigning my membership of RACQ … the leftoid epidemic is probably spreading … giggle, giggle …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’ll get fired up if there is no consultation once the details are thrashed out.

    (Like the Tomson saga … guffaw … )

    Anyway that is too late!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m one of those who thinks that if colleagues are sick they should stay home and not pass the illness on to everyone else at work.

    Agree, KL, I used to send my troops home … and thanked them for making the effort … it must be a pity for some emp Robber Barons that workers can’t get sick on weekends or RDO’s … if only we could control them viruses …

  67. October 24, 2014 7:37 pm

    Who is ‘shit frightened’?

    I think you may be thinking of the tewwa thread.

    The self same who are ‘shit frightened’ of tewwa can’t see things which are likely to have an actual impact on the country. It’s a funny old world.

  68. October 24, 2014 7:38 pm

    “I can go and cower under my bed.’

    BOO! Muslims!

  69. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2014 7:38 pm

    I still don’t know what I’m supposed to be so shit frightened about.

    IS of course, so that you don’t see the TPP … or obviously care … in Tones we trust … or is it Robb?

  70. October 24, 2014 7:42 pm

    Still waiting for an actual example of why I should be concerned. Or is ranting about Big Business/Pharma/Tobacco/Oil/Coal sufficient proof that we’re all heding for serfdom armageddon?

  71. October 24, 2014 7:44 pm

    “I still don’t know what I’m supposed to be so shit frightened about.”

    Tewawists..

    If you say something, see something. Or something like that.

  72. October 24, 2014 7:45 pm

    “Tewawists..”

    Oh yeah. Thanks for reminding me.

    *squirt*

  73. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 24, 2014 7:45 pm

    ‘Still waiting for an actual example of why I should be concerned.’

    Me too, it appears to be speculation and innuendo.

  74. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2014 7:55 pm

    Me too, it appears to be speculation and innuendo.

    Then you should BOTH go back and read (comprehend) the links provided … instead of passively supporting a government that has been proven to be far from “adult” … or I’ll shirt front ya!

  75. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 24, 2014 8:00 pm

    Anyone got anything to say re the recent media item about Australia being a paradise for corporate criminals?

  76. October 24, 2014 8:01 pm

    Oh, I get it. I’m supposed to be swayed by the fact News.com quoted Choice.

    That RWNJ reporter writes for whatever Murdoch! tells her to write,

  77. October 24, 2014 8:01 pm

    “Oh yeah. Thanks for reminding me.”

    You’re welcomes.

    For a minute there you were in danger of becoming a bit sceptical of all this fear mongering, and heaven forbid we can’t have that.

  78. October 24, 2014 8:02 pm

    “or I’ll shirt front ya!”

    Eek. I think I just soiled myself.

  79. October 24, 2014 8:05 pm

    Read this Trashers:

    “”Are we peddling fear just for the sake of it?””

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-24/cassidy-are-we-peddling-fear-just-for-the-sake-of-it/5836998

  80. October 24, 2014 8:05 pm

    I’ll have you people know you’re interrupting my punting on Moonee valley. I hope youse are happy!

  81. October 24, 2014 8:09 pm

    I’m just happy that you and yer missus agreed to pose for the photo op at the top of the page!

  82. October 24, 2014 8:14 pm

    Our pleasure. (And thanks for that expensive bubbly ya gave us in return. Pink! It even sounds classy.)

  83. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 24, 2014 8:20 pm

    ”Are we peddling fear just for the sake of it?”

    No, its a measured response.

  84. October 24, 2014 8:23 pm

    “Pink! It even sounds classy”

    Youse are welcome.

    Just be thankful TB didn’t choose it.

  85. October 24, 2014 8:24 pm

    “its a measured response.”

    In comparison to what?

    *I think you mean “it’s” #justsayin’

  86. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 24, 2014 8:30 pm

    “I can tell you that public servants are working harder and longer than ever..”

    Public servants have no idea about hard work or accountability. Middle ranking public servants are overpaid for their level of responsibility…and now we see that they’re off work with the sniffles (or something) for over 3 weeks a year!

    Why are public servants at the Department of Human Services sicker than the rest of the workforce?

  87. October 24, 2014 8:36 pm

    “Why are public servants at the Department of Human Services sicker than the rest of the workforce?”

    Coz they’re stressed about the price of TimTams once the TPP gets snuck through without anyone knowing about it?

    WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2014 8:59 pm

    Just be thankful TB didn’t choose it.

    WTF! GMAB! I drink Mumm … everyone knows that! Defamation or what!

    AND I didn’t get anything for my photos … is this some sort of Melbournian Cabal?

    and now we see that they’re off work with the sniffles (or something) for over 3 weeks a year!

    And teachers get 12 weeks holiday AND pupil free days (usually straight after!) and we still “don’t pay ’em enough” – little hard working preciouses … fk preciousness is a word?

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    October 24, 2014 9:00 pm

    Just to repeat (properly) …

    AND I didn’t get anything for my photos … is this some sort of Melbournian Cabal?

  90. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 24, 2014 9:42 pm

    ‘In comparison to what?’

    Labor would have done much the same.

  91. October 24, 2014 9:42 pm

    Truth be told YOU BEGGED for your photos to be published TB and where are my fkn royalties for obliging !!!

  92. October 24, 2014 9:46 pm

    “Labor would have done much the same.”

    You really are an intellectual lightweight aren’t you egg…

    Or a mindless troll looking to bait ppl for any old reaction to satisfy your own pathetic craving for attention..

    (My money’s with the latter)…

    Why don’t you just fuck off somewhere else? No one takes you seriously around these parts…

  93. October 24, 2014 9:54 pm

    “Why don’t you just fuck off somewhere else?”

    To the owner’s credit, he hasn’t banned too many.

  94. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 24, 2014 10:11 pm

    “No one takes you seriously around these parts…

    I had no idea that was criteria!!

  95. eggboxtroll permalink
    October 25, 2014 7:47 am

    If nobody objects, in future I’ll just attend Tony’s art classes. it appears to be free of groupthink.

  96. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2014 8:57 am

    it appears to be free of groupthink.

    Well, as long as you are a fan of the OrangeBlues 😯

  97. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2014 9:01 am

    The Federal Government says it is committed to capturing taxes that companies like Apple have avoided.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-06/tax-expert-explains-how-apple-pays-193m-tax-on-27b-revenue/5303426

    Well, they can say what they want, but their actions speak louder than their bullshit (even with murdochs megaphone)

    The Australian Taxation Office says it has cut more than 500 jobs from its crucial auditing team as it tries to meet the federal government’s budget cuts.

    The ATO’s audit team is responsible for investigating and enforcing tax compliance by individuals and multinational companies.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/audit-team-checking-tax-payments-by-multinational-companies-hard-hit-by-department-job-cuts-20141023-11aqk1.html

    I heard a Labor MP calling this bullshit recently, just can’t find a reference to it anywhere.

    When the hell are Labor going to put up their own news site so their opinions and reactions can be presented?

  98. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2014 9:07 am

    From your link to cassidy reb (who usually isn’t that prescient)

    As disturbing as the events in Ottawa were, they could have been the actions of a “lone wolf” with a criminal history.

    We now have the actual facts coming to surface, which further supports the evidence it is just another mad man with a gun

    Canadian gunman Michael Zehaf-Bibeau asked the RCMP to put him in jail in 2011 for an armed robbery he claimed to have committed 10 years prior
    When they refused he said if they did not, he was going to do something ‘just to get put in,’ and hours later tried to rob a McDonald’s
    He then appeared in court a few days later, for a hearing on a previous robbery in Quebec, and begged the judge to put him away so he could ‘overcome his crack addiction’
    The prosecutor in the case said he should not go away, but he managed to spend 66 days in prison after pleading with the judge
    This comes as Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird says there is currently ‘no evidence’ of any terrorist ties in the shooting
    It is also now being reported he was asked to leave his mosque for sleeping there without permission, not for having extreme views
    Police reveal he had applied for passport and planned to go to Syria

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2805871/I-want-jail-overcome-crack-addiction-2011-psych-assessment-Canadian-gunman-throws-doubt-terror-theory-revealed-no-evidence-jihadist-links.html#ixzz3H3XM9RSo

    Meanwhile, our own fearmonger in chief is out there offering up helpful advice for local madmen with guns possible targets and even a timing for them. What a wanker.

  99. Tom R permalink
    October 25, 2014 9:19 am

    And a tip to the fear mongers

    Now we live, in a world of uncertainty
    Fear is the key, to what you want to be
    You don’t get a say the majority
    Gets its way
    You’re outnumbered by the bastards
    Till the day you die

  100. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 9:16 am

    Dubiously obtained emails seem to continue to cause political problems.

    Julia’s “Captain’s Pick” was lobbying to get her lover some cash and a holiday so that they could continue their affair, using taxpayer funds!

    Meanwhile, Nova Peris was still living with her husband and children and boasting that the affair was so consuming that she forgot her wedding anniversary.

    It’s all quite distasteful, for the “Captain’s Pick”

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/senator-nova-peris-sought-taxpayers-money-to-help-her-to-carry-out-a-freaky-extramarital-sexual-tryst-with-olympic-medallist-ato-boldon/story-fnjwnhzf-1227105313394

  101. October 29, 2014 11:44 am

    This Forrest fcuktard should go back to his robotic mines and sacking what`s left of the workforce, instead of sticking his beak into `welfare`. He has nothing of interest to say except that he is reducing employment positions and reducing his taxable, just as all over-benefiting teabags do.

  102. October 29, 2014 12:16 pm

    Who does `twiggy` think he is anyway.? nanny roxon.?
    _______________

    l see Tinfoil`osy is seeing `choice`magazine as a communist plot now and `wetting` appropriately. He must have been `saturated` after the recent gun-play in canadia, just as canberra was. The simple right/left bleating Tinfoil`osy peddles and defends so regularly, reflects his `simple` thinking, and `simple` acceptance of anything `his` team claims. The great failure with this strategy/belief of Tinfoil`osy`s is, the vast majority of the population does not like either right/left, but dislike and distrust`em both. The second great failure is bleating about `consumer`, `worker` or `environment` defenders and claiming they`re `anti-biz` is idiotic. These are `by-product` organisations, created in response to really, really crap biz-practices/outcomes that have damaged others.

  103. October 29, 2014 9:54 pm

    ”””Bill Shorten to confront Christian lobby over same-sex marriage”””

    Yeah l saw shortmen quacking about it on tv, while `he` may be bright enough to see this low-hanging fruit, l`m not convinced the rest of his dills will see it too, also not convinced they won`t kill-off shortmen as leader, now that they have developed a habit of killing-off their leader-followers. Good luck brother reb, may you reach the promised land.

  104. October 30, 2014 6:33 am

    ”””””Read this Trashers
    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-24/cassidy-are-we-peddling-fear-just-for-the-sake-of-it/5836998
    Are we peddling fear just for the sake of it?”””””’

    #yes of course you are barrie, along with the rest of teabag-media. You`re own inability to find the courage and/or gain the knowledge on `any` topic now-a-days leaves unable to challenge power or question the `message`. You have basically reduced yourselves to little more than stenographers that regurgitate the current propaganda of the day, often from paid-to-lie politicorporate lackies like you once were. #teabags

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