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Joe Hockey Explodes over Pizza Debacle!

October 29, 2014

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The nation’s Federal Treasurer Joe Hockey has used a frustrating experience at a pizza restaurant to make a political point about excessive regulation.

Ironically, Mr Hockey was officially launching new research today that shows government is stifling private enterprise with ridiculous regulations.

According to lard arse, a new report by Deloittes suggests that the Australian economy, and productivity, is being choked by as much as $250 billion each years because of of red tape.

Of that, $155 billion is self-imposed regulation set by the private sector.

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In some cases, the self-imposed rules were just “dumb”, according to Gerhard Vorster, Deloitte’s chief strategy officer and co-author of the report.

“When excessive red tape lowers productivity it ultimately lowers growth and the standard of living for all Australians,” he told a captivated audience in Canberra.

Mr Hockey described red tape as a “handbrake” on the economy.

Source: Meaningless analogies explained

Source: Meaningless analogies explained

Mr Hockey used a personal experience to emphasise his point.

When he, his kids and family friends were at a local pizza restaurant they tried to push two outside tables together.

An apologetic owner said that wasn’t allowed under council regulations.

Mr Hockey then went inside to get another chair for the eight-strong group.

The owner told him that wasn’t allowed either because the limit was seven chairs.

HOCKEY: THAT WAS WHEN I EXPLODED

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“That’s when I exploded,” the treasurer said.

“I actually tracked down the local mayor … and I think the whole suburb heard the conversation.”

The launch of the report coincided with the government’s second “repeal day”, where it is ditching nearly 1000 unnecessary pieces of legislation and regulations covering 7200 pages.

The government says it is saving $2.1 billion in compliance costs for individuals, businesses and the non-for-profit sector.

 

 

 

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179 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 4:20 pm

    Ironically, Mr Hockey was officially launching new research today that shows government is stifling private enterprise with ridiculous regulations.

    Tell it to the insulation installers.

    It’s hard to imagine just what hypocritical heights can be scaled by this mob. Hot on hte heels of another witch hunt into the pink batts, which happened because of owners ignoring what legislation there was, they are now trying to claim we have too much?

    I actually recall here where seat numbers were limited when those nasty bikies started choking cafes and doing precisely what hockey whinged about not being allowed to do. It was a legislation brought in because of community pressure FOR IT.

    If you want a party ya fucken lard arse, fucken book it in like every one else

  2. Walrus permalink
    October 29, 2014 4:30 pm

    “……..which happened because of owners ignoring what legislation there was”

    Comedy Gold !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    October 29, 2014 4:55 pm

    Comedy Gold !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What typical iggorance …

  4. Walrus permalink
    October 29, 2014 5:02 pm

    Oh really………………………..

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/a-litany-of-failures-tony-abbott-tables-royal-commissions-report-into-the-rudd-governments-home-insulation-scheme-20140901-10aw95.html

    If anyone is pig fucking ignorant around here then they certainly reside north of the Tweed

  5. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 5:11 pm

    speaking of pig ignorant

    “litany of failures arising from a dysfunctional culture in the former administration”, Prime Minister Tony Abbott has said.

    So, according to the liar in chief (and parraotted by you), it was because of Labor, yet, according to every report (even this one) the main and real cause of all the deaths was business enterprises or workers themselves ignoring legislation, and breaking the law.

    Who’s deluded??

  6. TB Queensland permalink
    October 29, 2014 5:39 pm

    Wally …. I suggest you start at page 25

    Queensland Health & Safety Act 2011

    Division 2 Primary duty of care

    19 Primary duty of care
    (1) A person conducting a business or undertaking must ensure,
    so far as is reasonably practicable, the health and safety of—
    (a) workers engaged, or caused to be engaged by the
    person; and …

    Pig ignorant, hey? … As opposed to?

    You’ll find even the Mexican H&S Acts are based upon duty of care of the “owners” … to their employees …

    Did I tell you I worked as a H&S Officer for two years and then for the NSCA for four years as a training consultant! And then two years as a H&S Superintendent overseeing three factory sites … FMD!

    The sooner they make tax a flat rate 20% and get shiny arses out of the office and into the real world we’ll all be better off (and safer it would seem) … Dog knows what advice you give to owners and managers … 🙄

    Here’s the four basics again I’ve commented here before a number of times on this …

    An employer must provide:

    1. A safe system of work

    2. Safe plant and equipment

    3. Safe access to and from the workplace

    4. Proper training and supervision

    AND legislation will say that if employers provide PPE (personal protective equipment) then that too has to include training and regular maintenance and/or replacement.

    Rudd and Garrett were fkn stupid (which I said at the time) but they didn’t breach H&S laws … which are a state/territory responsibility unless you are a member of Federal government, ADF or bureaucracy …

  7. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 6:22 pm

    And yet the numbnuts who wrote up the yabot gubmints witch hunt had this to say about “the law of the State”

    It was not good enough, in my view, for Mr Keeffe to state, and for Mr Hoffman to concur, that installers should simply obey the law of the State they were working in, and leave it at that.

    Well, for starters, it wasn’t just “left at that”, and for the main course, YES, people SHOULD be expected to obey the fucken law!

    http://www.homeinsulationroyalcommission.gov.au/Documentation/Documents/ReportoftheRoyalCommissionintotheHomeInsulationProgram.pdf

  8. Walrus permalink
    October 29, 2014 6:27 pm

    “……..which happened because of owners ignoring what legislation there was”

    Oh…..so the Royal Commission is completely wrong is it …………? …….and it was purely because of …………I’ll repeat it again for you …………..”owners ignoring what legislation there was”.

    Seriously you people are absolutely delusional and IGNORANT

  9. October 29, 2014 6:41 pm

    “you people”

    Guffaw… 🙂

  10. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 7:08 pm

    owners ignoring what legislation there was

    He even said he gave them a pass

    It was not good enough, in my view, for Mr Keeffe to state, and for Mr Hoffman to concur, that installers should simply obey the law of the State they were working in

    What a fucken numbnut

    Sorry, but I concur with Mr Keeffe and Mr Hoffman, installers should simply obey the law of the State they were working in. Otherwise, it’s called breaking the law.

    But according to the numbnut who wrote the gubmints witch hunt, that’s fine, and the Government of the day should take care of these poor law breakers.

    WTF!!

  11. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 7:14 pm

    Some of “you people” prefer to ignore the root cause, and that is what the Royal Commission has identified, and that’s what the previous government has now owned up to.

  12. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 7:19 pm

    o Deliberately stimulating a poorly regulated sector
    o Deliberate attraction of new employers/entrants
    o Deliberate attraction of large numbers of inexperienced workers
    o Low barriers to entry
    o Attraction of easy government funding

    …and people are surprised that poor workplace safety was a result.

    Each of the above is a risk factor and each could have been foreseen and mitigated.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    October 29, 2014 7:22 pm

    Seriously you people are absolutely delusional and IGNORANT

    What happened to PIG?

    Some of “you people” prefer to ignore the root cause,

    Fkn root cause … try branch analysis or multiple causation if you want to try and sound half fkn smart …

    You’ve investigated how many incidents/accidents …

    No wonder jesus fkn wept … the RC was a set up (and proved that Rudd and Garrett were Dicks) but people died because employers (wannabe Robber Barons!) broke the law …

    Just because a RC comes up trumps for the Libnits it does negate sate laws FFS!

    “You people” condescendingly patronising prick! Stick to numbers and BS …

  14. October 29, 2014 7:30 pm

    FFS You People. Can’t you see the real question here? Are you blind? Wood for trees, and all that? The important question that must be answered is …
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    .How many pizzas can Joe eat in one sitting?

  15. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 7:32 pm

    …and people are surprised that poor workplace safety was a result.

    Do you think it had anything to do with it being a a poorly regulated sector

    And now these same idiots want to CUT regulations ffs

    Mind you, even in an industry that was poorly regulated (yet the scheme itself was MORE regulated than the Industry standard, even though numbnuts tries to claim it wasn’t), the deaths occured becuase LAWS WERE BROKEN!

    But that’s all the previous Governments fault, according to yabot (and wally)

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    October 29, 2014 7:34 pm

    …and people are surprised that poor workplace safety was a result.

    No, and I said so at the time … but the laws were not obeyed by employers nor were inspectors on the job … and … if I recall, no competency based learning was instituted until well after the program was begun …

    A reminder:

    “……..which happened because of owners ignoring what legislation there was”

    Comedy Gold !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Wally

    If anyone is pig fucking ignorant around here then they certainly reside north of the Tweed

    Wally

    Oh…..so the Royal Commission is completely wrong is it …………?

    Wally

    (a RC is not a court of law, Wally, its is opinions and discussion and recommendations … and yes in the matter of who was responsible for the deaths of four young men … federal government, state government and legally the employers – and of course the employees have – had – a personal duty of care – y’know the young, needing a job, do anything, don’t rock the boat)

    You’ve read the Act and Regs by now I take it?

    Compressed media regurgitation of the RC does not constitute an understanding of H&S legislation nor indeed its foundations in Common Law over the last two and a half centuries …

  17. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 7:39 pm

    Some of “you people” prefer to ignore the root cause

    You mean, that people break the law?

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 7:45 pm

    Here’s a question a man of your undoubted expertise can answer TB…

    Do all those factors that I have outlined above create a greater likelihood of poor workplace safety?

    A simple yes or no will do.

  19. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 7:50 pm

    …and what about you Tom R…

    If there is more subcontracting, more new entrants/inexperienced workers, a deliberate move away from experienced & established home insulation suppliers to new ones attracted by easy government funds… do you think workplace safety is likely to get better or worse?

  20. October 29, 2014 7:54 pm

    ”””the main and real cause of all the deaths was business enterprises or workers themselves ignoring legislation, and breaking the law.”””

    #correct #`and` states abdicating their own occupational health and safety policing regime

    ”””Who’s deluded??””’
    #`our` teabags of course 🙂

  21. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 7:59 pm

    Obviously worse yomm, which would be why the requirements for those working under the scheme were more onerous than those existing at state level already.

    But, you already knew that, didn’t you?

  22. October 29, 2014 8:01 pm

    ”””Do all those factors that I have outlined above create a greater likelihood of poor workplace safety?”””

    No.

    ”””A simple yes or no will do.”””

    You just let us all assume you directed those points toward the Lunch-Lady, and it is not her responsibility, she doesn`t run the oh+s, the states do.

  23. October 29, 2014 8:09 pm

    ””Some of “you people” prefer to ignore the root cause””

    a lot of that goes on, huh.? (mh17)

    o Deliberately selling cheap flights
    o Deliberate attraction of new passengers
    o Deliberate shortcut over hot battlefield
    o Deliberate `willful` blindness regarding modern weapons
    o Attraction of easy market-share and profits
    o Deliberate with-holding flightpath from passengers

    #yay-corporation

  24. TB Queensland permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:09 pm

    Yes … as if H&S is so simple …

    … but you knew that without asking … gotchas don’t cut it … I always said Garrett was a Dick, I’m sure you’ll recall, and Rudd was looking for ways to stimulate the economy … neither acted with any deliberate intention of causing death … they were foolish and like some here ignorant (in the true sense) they also admitted regret at what they did … and hindsight is a wonderful excuse for vendettas … The Abbott & Acolytes are masters at that …

    Politics is politics and H&S law is …

    It’s a pity you don’t take the same stand when unions BOO! stand up to those Robber Barons who attempt to sidestep the H&S laws … all tho’ that’s not what you are arguing here its seems just the strategy not the application …

    Making a point is just that …

    Do you believe H&S laws were broken by employers and/or employees or not?

    A simple … yes or no will do …

  25. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:10 pm

    No.

    Hilariously ignorant (as usual)

  26. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:11 pm

    yes.

  27. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:12 pm

    yes… and they should be prosecuted.

    But actual responsibility for the debacle doesn’t stop with the employers. Only a dill would assert that.

  28. TB Queensland permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:12 pm

    Queensland Health & Safety Act 2011

    Division 2 Primary duty of care

    19 Primary duty of care
    (1) A person conducting a business or undertaking must ensure,
    so far as is reasonably practicable, the health and safety of—
    (a) workers engaged, or caused to be engaged by the
    person; and …

    Comprehension or what …

  29. TB Queensland permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:14 pm

    I think we are saying the same things in different ways again, ToM … ?

  30. October 29, 2014 8:26 pm

    ”””Hilariously ignorant (as usual)”””

    No-where near as ignorant as those ignoring the `primary` responsibility rests legally with the `undertaking` biz (as tb quotes above) and the responsibility for policing oh+s rests with the states, but you can just keep bleating and huddling with the herd. #TinfoilCubicleWisdom

  31. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:36 pm

    and they should be prosecuted.

    They were.

    But actual responsibility for the debacle doesn’t stop with the employers.

    Why not. They were the ones who broke the law.

    Perhaps we should stop all employment everywhere anytime an employer breaks the law and someone dies.

    Better yet, remove ALL red tape, it just gets in the way of employers killing workers

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:39 pm

    No-where near as ignorant as those ignoring the `primary` responsibility rests legally with the `undertaking` biz (as tb quotes above) and the responsibility for policing oh+s rests with the states, but you can just keep bleating and huddling with the herd. #TinfoilCubicleWisdom

    Rational translation of the above – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQZpb7GZEBs

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:42 pm

    Yeah right Tom R. The way to better safety is through prosectuion, not even bothering to consider whether the policy framework has anything to do with poor workplace safety.

  34. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:48 pm

    The way to better safety is through prosectuion

    I’m just going to let that sit and ferment for a bit 😯

    Perhaps when you read it back after straightening up, you’ll elaborate lol

    FUCK YES

    Whats the point of making MORE legislation if you aren’t going to prosecute crooks who break the EXISTING legislation

    WOW 😯

    😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:52 pm

    I see – “not even bothering to consider whether the policy framework has anything to do with poor workplace safety”

    I think it is wilfully negligent to ignore factors that may have contributed, beyond the employer.

  36. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 8:59 pm

    I think it is wilfully negligent to ignore factors that may have contributed, beyond the employer.

    I think it is worse than wilfully negligent to ignore the fact that, had the workplace precautions that were put in place by Government to cover this scheme been adhered to, these deaths would not have occurred.

    But nah, go ahead and focus on anything else, even though several previous investigations all found the same thing, the fault lay with the employers or (in one case I think) the worker.

  37. October 29, 2014 9:02 pm

    ”””Yeah right Tom R. The way to better safety is through prosectuion”””

    when the first dodgie tradie causes a boardroom death, watch `our`corporate personal fluffer advocate the exact opposite

  38. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 9:06 pm

    It seems that everyone acknowledges the systemic deficiencies in the HIP that contributed to its poor safety record, except Tom R.

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 9:08 pm

    when the first dodgie tradie causes a boardroom death, watch `our`corporate personal fluffer advocate the exact opposite

    Translation = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9uQXVI_SSw

  40. Tom R permalink
    October 29, 2014 9:09 pm

    except Tom R.

    I’m just not blaming those deficiencies on deaths is all yomm. The deaths occurred because people broke the law, not because of deficiencies in hte program.

    None of the independent investigations found otherwise. And neither did yabots witch hunt., no matter how much the numbnut who wrote it up tried to imply it. The facts just didn’t suit his outcome.

  41. October 29, 2014 9:32 pm

    ”””’The deaths occurred because people broke the law, not because of deficiencies in hte program.

    None of the independent investigations found otherwise.”””

    #exactly, and it will be the same for the grollo wall-collapse that killed 3-people, and `our` personal corporate fluffer will be blaming the local council coz they supplied the `footpath` the kids were crushed on, or some such nonsense, anything but the truth of the corporate criminality/negligence #teabags

  42. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 10:50 pm

    #exactly, and it will be the same for the grollo wall-collapse that killed 3-people, and `our` personal corporate fluffer will be blaming the local council coz they supplied the `footpath` the kids were crushed on, or some such nonsense, anything but the truth of the corporate criminality/negligence #teabags

    Translation =

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 29, 2014 10:57 pm

    I’m just not blaming those deficiencies on deaths is all yomm.

  44. Meta permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:02 am

    (Growing the pie, 1×8>2×4, and adding to nominal productivity by taking from one place, privatising the gain in another place, and socialising the cross-opportunity cost(s), don’t seem like the usual Hockeynomic logics. Still, it’s good to know that Joe’s mind is on the job; and friendly-if-explosive chats are still being had about what may or may not be done by adults in charge about a game of musical chairs, Red-tape, and a G8.)

  45. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 3:19 am

    Yet yomm continues to blame deaths caused by people breaking the law on those laws, not the people breaking those laws. 😯

    Astounding really.

  46. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 3:41 am

    oops, looks like mista hockeys been caught out making up bits of his hissy fit

  47. October 30, 2014 4:30 am

    (For Certain; ponzi pies grown exponentially often result in smaller and fewer crumbs for those at the bottom, while the already over-fed gorge themselves on much larger slices.)

  48. October 30, 2014 4:58 am

    I’m just not blaming those deficiencies on deaths is all yomm.

    Deficient corporate personal fluffers carrying un-sourced `accidental` triangles; possibly, probably, of road accidents, road incidents, of those NOT using their seat-belts. Once auto-makers were forced (yes teabags forced) to provide seat-belts by Govt/s, the Govt/s then had to force (yes teabags force) Tinfoil Cubicle Dwellers and similar dills to use the damn seat-belts. Today we still have plenty of dills in the hospital/s and morgue/s because they refused to use the damn seat-belts. This is not `system` deficiencies as `our` corporate fluffer tries to argue. lt lS law-breaking and system ignoring. #teabags

  49. October 30, 2014 5:01 am

    fcuk, forgot the quotes above (top line)
    ””’I’m just not blaming those deficiencies on deaths is all yomm.””’

  50. October 30, 2014 6:09 am

    ””’Yet yomm continues to blame””’

    Coming Soon! TomR.

    Watch `our` corporate personal fluffer allow `Mr-Fluffy` to sticky his chin. 🙂

  51. armchair opionator permalink
    October 30, 2014 8:07 am

    I think it’s none of the above. Joe is simply parroting the ideological propaganda (again). A trademark of politics today and especially Abbott, wrap your message in a simple, easy to understand analogy suitable for a year 5 student and it should be easily digested by the lazy thinkers and the simpletons.
    I think Joe always misses the mark though, he doesn’t simplify a complex issue, he just comes across as the toff that he is and leaves himself open to personal ridicule by treating us like kindly kids.
    Joe says “don’t you know who I am” at a pizza joint where everyone else has to obey the rules.

  52. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 8:19 am

    should be easily digested by the lazy thinkers and the simpletons.

    You mean our msm 😉

    Personally, I’m still coming to terms with hockeys born to rule mentality and sense of airs that he would consider it his inalienable right to accommodate a public space designated for communal use and take up as much room as he deems necessary for himself and his without any regard for other users of the area, such as pedestrians trying to get past, let alone a pedestrian in a wheel chair.

    What a sanctimonious fuckwit he is.

    Not that we should expect any different, after all, this is a guy who deemed it his lifes calling to enter politics not to better society, but because some member of society didn’t accept him as their better. And this is the wanker with our tax dollars in his slimy mitt.

  53. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2014 8:37 am

    The momentum grows, people have never felt so unrepresented and distant from those who demand to rule over us.

    http://thehoopla.com.au/denton-politically-homeless/

  54. October 30, 2014 8:38 am

    But don`t you think””’the lazy thinkers and the simpletons””’are also the `core` of the current Govt `and` opposition.?

    _____________

    #ditto tomr, teabag-media

  55. October 30, 2014 8:48 am

    #denton
    haha a good reminder armchair, (l think`we` discussed it here before) but it still rings true to me (and many l know) l`m still not convinced the other mob won`t kill-off shortman before the next federal poll.

  56. October 30, 2014 8:53 am

    hey armchair, are you a shortman fan-girl.? evaluate.?
    (keep in mind l realize `any-one` is better than current dcikhead)

  57. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:01 am

    Deficient corporate personal fluffers carrying un-sourced `accidental` triangles; possibly, probably, of road accidents, road incidents, of those NOT using their seat-belts. Once auto-makers were forced (yes teabags forced) to provide seat-belts by Govt/s, the Govt/s then had to force (yes teabags force) Tinfoil Cubicle Dwellers and similar dills to use the damn seat-belts. Today we still have plenty of dills in the hospital/s and morgue/s because they refused to use the damn seat-belts. This is not `system` deficiencies as `our` corporate fluffer tries to argue. lt lS law-breaking and system ignoring. #teabags

    Translation –

  58. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:04 am

    Personally, I think denton is talking out of his ass ao.

    “The new party would be aimed at what was Labor’s core constituency — ordinary people. Its goals would be to defend ordinary people against predatory business and finance, to promote a decent society and to develop a perennial economy — one that moves away from crude mining (and dumping).

    I’m guessing he missed the destruction of workchoices and the implementation of the Fair Work Act, the Carbon Price, the tax concessions for lower paid and the super schemes, Gonski and the NDIS (with much work there done by Shorten). And let’s not forget the emphasis on renewable’s which remarkably,” moves away from crude mining (and dumping)”

    Look at what the opposition have been steadily dismantling during their first years in power, and perhaps denton can reflect on that next time he wrings his hands in anguish from the sidelines.

    I’ll go with what Shorten has said, which actually matches (mostly) what Labor achieved or attempted to achieve during their time in office, and what remarkably comes very close to dentons wishlist. I think the left spend so much time wishing for their dream, that they wish the reality of it straight past their fucken eyes

    “We want to be a modern country,” Shorten told Chris Uhlmann on ABC Radio’s AM program this morning.

    “We want to be outward looking and not afraid of the rest of the world. We want to be a fair country. We want to be a country which reaches for higher ground, that brings people together, that has growth at the centre of what we do but understands that growth and equality… equality and fairness is not the child of growth, it is the twin of growth. Where we have a fairer society, with more Australians able to participate, men and women equally, then we have a greater chance to be a better country.”

    http://thehoopla.com.au/bill-shorten-speaks-enough/

  59. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:07 am

    keep in mind l realize `any-one` is better than current dcikhead

    Even morriscum? 😯

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:17 am

    The ALP – really?

    I think this comment nails it –

    He argued that the ALP was unable to reform itself. That it is captured by “careerists” seeking power for power’s sake and “ossified” unions.

    Only a dill would argue anything else

  61. October 30, 2014 9:20 am

    #denton

    Disagree TomR. l doubt that denton is trying to `explain` alp/shortmam fab-boys such as yourself, but more the `middle/majority/unrusted`types #justsayin

    (l would just point-out, many of us don`t like/trust shortman, who was front and center in the Joolya/Kevin07 knifings, and leaves us wondering who we would end-up with if we vote alp, and as such, look for indies/pups/greens/anything-else, which is a problem the alp made on their own, and still have to over-come.)

  62. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:32 am

    “”l would just point-out, many of us don`t like/trust shortman””

    Described on Sydney Radio yesterday as delivering his monotonal lines somewhat like some kind of “” animated rat””

  63. October 30, 2014 9:40 am

    “” animated rat””

    That’s a fairly accurate characterisation…

  64. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:41 am

    “”The deaths occurred because people broke the law, not because of deficiencies in hte program.””

    More Comedy Gold !!!!

    By the time prosecutions were launched and trials sat thru those 5 guys would have still been dead.

    And don’t fall back on that crap about the states being responsible because OH&S is their area. Rudd specifically excluded the states from consultations because he wanted the stoopid program rolled out immediately.

    Such was its vastness and wastefulness its probably doubtful the states would have had the resources to check every site. Afterall how long did it take for the roof fire audit to be conducted post program. Blaming it on the states is just Leftist stupidity of which we are accustomed.

  65. October 30, 2014 9:44 am

    dare l ask who you listen to on sydney radio blubbers.?
    (jones.? hadley.?)

  66. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:52 am

    It was a caller on 2UE

  67. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:52 am

    Which is a Fairfax station

  68. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:54 am

    Described on Sydney Radio yesterday

    Well, that settles it then 😯

    I think I’ll back a guy who has done his time in the trenches fighting for workers rights against born to rul wankers like hockey and then, when he did achieve power to do something, did something as beneficial as the NDIS

    Or, you can listen to paid shills on Sydney Radio

  69. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:59 am

    “a guy who has done his time in the trenches fighting for workers rights

    Who’s that? Surely not Shorten!

  70. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 10:01 am

    Who’s that? Surely not Shorten

    You disagree do you yomm?

  71. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 30, 2014 10:13 am

    “he would consider it his inalienable right to accommodate a public space designated for communal use and take up as much room as he deems necessary for himself and his without any regard for other users of the area, such as pedestrians trying to get past, let alone a pedestrian in a wheel chair.

    What a sanctimonious fuckwit he is.”

    Spot on. Hockey obviously doesn’t understand that public spaces are to be shared and that pavement seating rules are necessary to keep fat turds like him and his entourage from blocking the sidewalk. He’s just another born-to-rule bully-boy with not a skerrick of empathy, a giant fatberg whose kin are blocking the sewers of London.

  72. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 10:19 am

    Shorten was (allegedly) always more interested in getting AWU coverage than he was with workers’ rights.

    Several unions (such as CFMEU and AMWU) would argue that he did deals to get coverage that undercut existing conditions in construction, manufacturing and mining, and did this to get coverage, which results in membership which is why the decline of the AWU was arrested during his period as leader.

    He was a dealer, not a principled protector of workers

  73. October 30, 2014 10:21 am

    Piss funny Reb.. maybe the bloke saw it was Joe and just said … Its payback time… Wonder if he made hime eat shit like he is doing to everyone else.

    When somebody uses the term “Green Tape” that’s poli speak for my mate who is a substantial doner that offered me a job after politics wants this fuck everyone else.

  74. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 10:25 am

    He was a dealer, not a principled protector of workers

    claims yomm, the principled protector of business interests.
    Mind if I take your “allegations” with a huge dose of salt? 😆

  75. October 30, 2014 10:30 am

    Shorten was (allegedly) always more interested in getting AWU coverage than he was with workers’ rights…… blah blah fizzle fizzle

    Watch that legedly you may fall off with all the other lemmings. A decent reference is your safety net to reality. 🙄

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2014 10:30 am

    No, I’m not into shorten, too insipid, just expecting to have everything handed to him by the labor machine.
    I would love nothing better than the complete reform of old labor (who I believe shorten represents). There’s nothing there that appeals at all, it’s just liberal party in disguise. We voters have no options for something different, the political system delivers option 1 or 2 and we are completely sidelined in the corporocracy.

  77. October 30, 2014 10:33 am

    haha splatters, fat-berg is great for mr-eleventy, l saw it on the telly, (gross)
    ________

    oh tomR `our` corporate personal fluffer will disagree, you bet`cha, can`t go around admitting onion and safety laws help keep people alive and uninjured from willful corporate negligence/criminality, much better to fix problems `after` wall has crushed`em

    (yeah, don`t like shortman, but will acknowledge shortman[and-combet] did an awful lot for working stiffs in oh+s)

  78. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 10:38 am

    We voters have no options for something different

    So you don’t think that everything the libs are currently dismantling represents a “difference” ao?

  79. ironicman permalink
    October 30, 2014 10:41 am

    the political system delivers option 1 or 2 and we are completely sidelined in the corporocracy.

    I note the royal ‘we’ and must protest, its only the pseudo left who are being marginalized.

  80. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 10:42 am

    Don’t ask me to do all the work on Shorten’s deals.

    Google is available to everyone.

    You’ll find a couple of mines in WA, several road/freeway construction/expansion projects, a Vic manufacturer, a building construction site or 2. Each of those agreement struck by the AWU were publicly criticised by other unions for undercutting existing conditions and expanding AWU coverage.

    Shorten spent more time fighting other unions than he did employers.

  81. October 30, 2014 10:46 am

    ”””We voters have no options for something different, the political system delivers option 1 or 2 and we are completely sidelined in the corporocracy.”””

    well said armchair, sums it up for me too
    ____________

    take note TomR, the rusted-on`s of all flavors are what could be called `satisfied-voting-consumers` and make-up less than 20% of voters,

    the `unsatisfied-voting-consumers` are the largely quiet 80%, even tho the 20% make all the noise screeching at each other, aided and abetted by teabag-media, of course.

  82. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 30, 2014 10:55 am

    Now, even the Drum is onto the menace from north of the Tweed if this headline is anything to go on:

    Just like Ebola, the TB threat is all too real.

  83. October 30, 2014 10:57 am

    ”””So you don’t think that everything the libs are currently dismantling represents a “difference” ao?”””’

    So TomR, what is the ”’difference”” of the teabags chopping welfare, or Joolya chopping womens payments.?

    What difference.? Teabags or Joolyas, gay-marriage.? voluntary-euthanasia.? private-public-ponzi-plans/toll-roads.? including-states.? private-medical/education-leeching-public-funds.? erosion-of-public-transport.? off-shore-gulags.? bastardising-boatpeople.? terror-fearing.? usa-arse-licking.? trotting-off-to-war.? privatisation-fever.?

  84. October 30, 2014 10:57 am

    She wants a big package called a brain but she got a minuscule package called a pea. Living proof that Tasmanian’s should never fornicate the fauna
    http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2014/10/29/jacqui-lambie-accidentally-bans-own-scarf-while-attempting-outlaw-burqa

  85. October 30, 2014 11:12 am

    by the way TomR, teabag and teabag-lite have little difference to huge `war-toy` spends, even buying dodgey gear/F35 flyingjunk,

    both waste fortunes bidding commgames and olympics, syd, bris, melb, all burning thru cash bidding against other `aussies`, how fcuking dumb, then `hosting` costs us another fortune, (yanks-atlanta only games that squared-up for the taxpayers)

    what the voter is continually offered is the non-choice between shit and mostly-shit, teabag verses teabag-lite, austerity verses austerity-lite,

    the answer to `austerity` is NOT austerity-lite as a TRUE difference, anti-austerity is.

    None of the so-called choices both offer-up is NOT `excellence` (for want of a better word) but the opposite of it.

  86. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 11:14 am

    So TomR, what is the ”’difference”” of the teabags chopping welfare, or Joolya chopping womens payments.?

    So, what is the difference of the teabags , chopping their promise of no GST increase, chopping the ABC or SBS, Cuts to Labor’s health spending, chopping the Low Income Super Contribution, the Superannuation Guarantee and delaying superannuation increases for seven years.

    o chopping the pension increases Labor gave
    o chopping their promise of no GST increase
    o chopping the ABC or SBS
    o chopping the Low Income Super Contribution, the Superannuation Guarantee and delaying superannuation increases for seven years.
    o chopping our car industry that Labor fought for
    o chopping hospital funding.
    o chopping the foreign aid budget
    o chopping the NBN
    o chopping Gonski
    o chopping compensation to the victims of bushfires
    o chopping Australia’s emission reduction targets
    o chopping funding to the Alcohol and Other Drugs Council of Australia
    o chopping the Home Energy Saver Scheme which helps struggling low income households cut their electricity bills

    The list can go on and on
    But if you want to focus on the few dumbass things Labor did, go for it. Just remember, when yabot gets voted in next time, it’s because of people who want EVERYTHING that we’ll end up with NOTHING.

  87. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 11:15 am

    None of the so-called choices both offer-up is NOT `excellence`

    No one ever has. Try living in the fucken real world. Even the “mythical” Gough did stupid things. Get the rose tinted fucken glasses off ya nose

  88. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2014 11:17 am

    TomR, I think that labor have been as gung-ho as the libs with neoliberalism and the dismantling of whitlam’s great policies. Union management and organisers might be doing well but I’m not so sure about workers wages and conditions improving, especially concerning females and female dominated work. I think the boys look after their own.

  89. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 11:21 am

    JIHADISTS from the Islamic State group have executed more than 40 members of a tribe that fought against them in Iraq’s Anbar province, sources say.
    THE men from the Albu Nimr tribe were killed in the Heet area, northwest of Baghdad, which was overrun by the militants earlier this month, a local leader and a doctor said on Wednesday.

    Nothing to do with us, just let it rip.
    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/jihadists-shoot-30-sunnis-dead-official/story-e6frfkui-1227106580011

  90. October 30, 2014 11:24 am

    Never get between Joe and a Pizza 🙂

  91. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 30, 2014 11:27 am

    I have to say TomR is a candidate for the most dishonest person to post on the internet.

    Even if he is right about his list, Labor only funded everything by running $40B deficits.

    Anybody can funds things by borrowing money from China.

    Labor Party people only care about themselves and their stomachs. Fill me up they proclaim and stuff the country.

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

  92. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2014 11:29 am

    Sack the economists

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/sack-the-economists,5983

  93. October 30, 2014 11:42 am

    ”””TomR, I think that labor have been as gung-ho as the libs with neoliberalism and the dismantling of””#sociaty/infrustructure

    #fully agree armchair

    .

    ””whitlam’s great policies.””#patchy-policies

    #tomR, if`ya paid attention on the `gough`post you would realize your `rose`colored glasses crack made a bit of a dcikhead of ya`self 🙂

    .

    ”””Union management and organisers might be doing well but I’m not so sure about workers wages and conditions improving, especially concerning females and female dominated work. I think the boys look after their own.””’

    #disagree a bit here armchair, female reps have fought very hard for their largely female members, (discounting-jackson) that have been trashed largely by `off-shoring`(textiles) and machinery(tellers)-ATMs, as many industries have.

  94. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 11:51 am

    “She wants a big package called a brain but she got a minuscule package called a pea.”

    Are we sure Lambie is not some sort of Chaser project as rumoured?????????????????

  95. October 30, 2014 11:55 am

    ”””The list can go on and on”””

    #correct tomR, and so could mine (and probably armchairs)
    but that would miss the point too, so lets use your example, `auto-makers`

    1)year in and year out both `teams` poured endless cash (that`s our taxpayer cash) into the coffers of detroit and tokyo (welfare based) enterprises, without due diligence to the taxpayer, and NOT placing proper control requirements on these auto-makers, this was done at both federal and state/s level, by both `teams`, with the assistance of various onions and teabag-media. Do you dispute this.?

    2)this could not go on for ever.
    Do you dispute this TomR.?

  96. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2014 11:55 am

    Public Pessimism, Political Complacency: Restoring Trust, Reforming Labor
    The inaugural address of The Light on the Hill Society
    Senator John Faulkner
    7 October 2014
    http://www.senatorjohnfaulkner.com.au/file.php?file=/news/IGROPHPZVT/index.html

  97. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:01 pm

    #tomR, if`ya paid attention on the `gough`post you would realize your `rose`colored glasses crack made a bit of a dcikhead of ya`self

    Perhaps if you paid attention, you wouldn’t be making one of yerself teabagz

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/10/21/goughs-gone/#comment-79101

  98. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:05 pm

    Do you dispute this TomR.?

    Yes, as it wasn’t endless cash. It was always done with jobs and flow on effects in mind, and it was ramped up as the high Aussie dollar and soft global markets cut into exports.

    It would have turned around, given time. It wouldn’t have been taken away completely, as ALL automotive production countries subsidise their industries.

  99. October 30, 2014 12:13 pm

    for your benefit tomR
    #you claimed about my rose glasses #teabag
    ”””””””””’
    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/10/21/goughs-gone/#comment-80417
    ””It’s a wall-to-wall lefty love-in on the ABC.””’

    ””Comrades.””’

    Yes it was Tinfoil`osy (sickeningly so)
    (and much like this thread) his fcuking financial mis-management is the root cause of much of what`s wrong today,

    thank fcuk he`s gone and no longer leeching gold-card privileges out of the system, while struggle-street keeps having much needed things cut,

    what an irresponsible git””””””””””’

    #willful.blindness.tomR 🙂

  100. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:21 pm

    you claimed about my rose glasses

    That was in regards to your comments above teabagz, keep up

    As for but that would miss the point too,

    The point was, the massive list of differentiations between the libs and labor (and yes, I ‘ll play list lengths if you want)

    And some elites sit back and wring their hands wondering how we ended with yabot

    Unfuckenbelievable!

    I have never said Labor are the saviour on the stallion steed, they are a base political party mired in the reality of many opposing voices within their own spectrum. They fight for what they can get, and what is achievable. Go play with the fucken greens if you want a dream of Nirvana. All you’ll get is nothing.

    I’ll stick with a party that’s at least built with a foundation of looking after the worker, and take the good with the bad.

    And, imo, the good FAR outweighs the bad.

  101. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:25 pm

    All three ALP govts were a disaster.

    Gough doubled unemployment from 2% to 4%. Entrenching high unemployment for a generation of Australians.

    It was the Howard/Costello govt which took unemployment from 8% to 4%.

    TomR is a traitor to Australia.

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:26 pm

    a giant fatberg whose kin are blocking the sewers of London.

    Don’t forget the one under Melbourne, sb … y’know Australia’s most liveable city … chortle …

  103. October 30, 2014 12:26 pm

    ””It was always done with jobs and flow on effects in mind,””
    `in mind` maybe, but contractually.? Legally.?
    or just hot-air spouting.?
    Just `what` targets were specified in the contract.?
    .
    ””soft global markets cut into exports.””
    soft local markets too tomR
    .
    ””It would have turned around, given time.””’
    no it wouldn`t,
    they were not making product the local market wanted for a start
    .
    ””It wouldn’t have been taken away completely,””’
    correct, agree, auto would have continued to die a slow death
    .
    ””ALL automotive production countries subsidise their industries.””’
    true, agree, but the others have made product their market actually want

  104. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:38 pm

    in mind` maybe, but contractually.? Legally.?

    wtf arerabbitting on about? The money was (as Holden found out) worked out on an ongoing basis. fucken legally ROFL

    no it wouldn`t,

    That;s your guess. Holden had turned it around before, and they were in the process of doing so again.

  105. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:39 pm

    TomR is a traitor to Australia.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:41 pm

    Even if he is right about his list Even if he is right … FUCK OFF …

    TomR is a traitor to Australia.

    Which mental home are you in? And what are you doing on the admin computer all day?

    This government is an international disaster …

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:44 pm

    That;s your guess. Holden had turned it around before, and they were in the process of doing so again.

    TR, GM (“Holden” is just a bit of local marketing Bshit) make crap cars its a simple as that … what we should be manufacturing is alternative energy components … but of course this government is destroying that industry … too

  108. October 30, 2014 12:48 pm

    ”””””’The point was, the massive list of differentiations between the libs and labor (and yes, I ‘ll play list lengths if you want)”””””

    and that is what is wrong for the rest of us TomR,
    team-cheerers seek and find ””list of differentiations””even tho often, the `outcomes` can be placed on a ””list-of-sameness””, (as l first said up-thread, when the womens welfare is cut, it doesn`t matter who did the chopping) and no doubt, `all` the dcikheads in canberra play the list-game too, which translates to/from polls, and all of`em end-up blathering on about `fringe` topics that don`t effect/mean-anything to the rest of us.

    Example, both `teams` are/have spent endless cash on off-shore gulags, but they rarely quote the `amount` of cash they are burning on gulags and associated bullshit. The public should be told, just as often the amount of cash they are burning, along with their regular boatpeople hysteria. Both `teams` played this game.

  109. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:51 pm

    All recent ALP govts were a disaster.

    Hawke was OK.

    But Whitlam. Hawke/Keating, Rudd/Gillard did nothing but destroy the lives of people.

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE

  110. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:53 pm

    what we should be manufacturing is alternative energy components

    There was a hybrid car in development

  111. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:57 pm

    and that is what is wrong for the rest of us TomR

    I can tell you that the cheer squad for the libs and the right wing warriors are not in that list.

    And while the left sits and dreams of a their Shangri-La, the right will take it all away, and we’ll be left paying for the right to live in a country full of fat cats bludging off us.

  112. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 12:58 pm

    even tho often, the `outcomes` can be placed on a ””list-of-sameness””

    If that were true, why have the libs been so busy unravelling (or attempting to) everything Labor achieved during their tenure?

  113. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:01 pm

    Just to be repetitive this is what TomR, TB. Reb, Toilet et al achieved from 2007-2013

    This is what the ALP built from 2007-2013
    Wickham Point (established in Darwin in 2011)
    Curtin (near Derby, WA, reopened in 2010)
    Scherger (near Weipa, Queensland, established in 2010)
    Yongah Hill (near Northam, WA, established in 2012)
    There was also
    Inverbrackie Alternative Places of Detention opened 2010
    Leonora Alternative Place of Detention opened 2010
    Port Augusta Immigration Residential Housing reopened 2010″
    Of course i forgot to mention Manus Island reopened in 2012. Most probably lots of others.

  114. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:03 pm

    It’s interesting that Qantas employs more apprentices than anyone else (from memory), more people than a vehicle manufacturer, but left types barrack for its failure because they don’t like the management

  115. October 30, 2014 1:15 pm

    ””’There was a hybrid car in development””’
    l hope ya`not going to hang`ya hat on hybrid or electric auto`s,
    back in `about`2005 lndia developed fully electric autos for their local market, China, not long after, developed fully electric autos for local and export, too late, we missed that boat,

    China has also developed and patented the `best` (so-far) batteries and systems for electric autos

  116. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:17 pm

    “…I’ll stick with a party that’s at least built with a foundation of looking after the worker, and take the good with the bad…”

    I do agree about the roots of labor being in the workers interests. But, as Faulkner says, the old ways have not kept up and labor as a party, needs to reform to become democratic for all workers and not a career pathway for unionists to enter parliament.

    Labor is at a crossroads, will it have the courage to have the internal brawl and do what it must?

    Of course a labor who has strayed far from its roots is always better for society than the libs who represent the interests of wealth first and foremost.

    You’d have to be crazy to think they are going to do anything for ordinary workers, they exist to ensure the elite maintain their privileges and power.

  117. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:22 pm

    Just to be repetitive … FUCK OFF KNEEL!

    This is what the LNP hopes to achieve …

    http://www.nodebtsentence.org/calculate

  118. ironicman permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:22 pm

    ‘There was a hybrid car in development’

    The Holden Volt

  119. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:23 pm

    Queeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenslander !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/dog-sex-charges-after-videos-allegedly-found-on-womans-phone/story-fni0cx12-1227106789680

  120. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:25 pm

    “……………….as ALL automotive production countries subsidise their industries.”

    Maybe………………….but the majors DO NOT do it to the extent we do

  121. October 30, 2014 1:28 pm

    ””””””I can tell you that the cheer squad for the libs and the right wing warriors are not in that list.”””””

    not on `your` list tomR, their `own` list, what `they` claim/think is good
    (much of the shit kneel posts)
    _______________

    ””””’If that were true, why have the libs been so busy unravelling (or attempting to) everything Labor achieved during their tenure?”””””

    but there`ya go again tomR, just coz the teabags are dcikheads and doing dcikhaed things, doesn`t make alp `excellent`/wonderful/competent/on-best-path

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:31 pm

    You’d have to be crazy to think they are going to do anything for ordinary workers, they exist to ensure the elite (ROBBER BARONS) maintain their privileges and power.

    (With apologies, KL … 🙂 )

  123. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:32 pm

    Labor is at a crossroads, will it have the courage to have the internal brawl and do what it must?

    Possibly ao. I’m not involved in the party at all, so don’t know.

    I understand that no matter what party it is, it will always be top heavy, it must to survive, else it will be taken over by extremists bickering with each other.

    It is like the recent vote for leader, and everyone was saying why can’t every member have an equal vote.

    My take on that is that not every member is equally committed, and opens it up for people signing up just to get a vote in, but who otherwise ignore the reality of a working party, or worse still, libs etc signing up just to cause mayhem.

    I just see it as a reality of people working with people. It’s never pretty.

    At lest with their feet still planted in Unions, and Unions still with their feet planted in for the workers, I’ll be siding with Labor every time.

  124. October 30, 2014 1:36 pm

    It’s interesting that corporate personal fluffers think scary, scary lefty`s need to `barrack` instead of realizing Qantas management is probably very capable of running it into the ground. #TinfoilCubicleWisdom

  125. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:46 pm

    “…..else it will be taken over by extremists bickering with each other.”

    You mean once again ……………. 🙂 LOL

  126. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:48 pm

    It’s interesting that corporate personal fluffers think scary, scary lefty`s need to `barrack` instead of realizing Qantas management is probably very capable of running it into the ground. #TinfoilCubicleWisdom

    Translation here –

  127. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:51 pm

    doesn`t make alp `excellent`/wonderful/competent/on-best-path

    I didn’t say that teabagger, I said they were quite visibly and markedly different.

  128. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 1:52 pm

    You mean once again ……………. 🙂 LOL

    touche 😦

  129. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 30, 2014 2:01 pm

    “Just to be repetitive … FUCK OFF KNEEL!”

    No. You people locked up more people than any govt in Australian history. And denied places from people in UNHCR camps causing nothing but problems.

    People like to vote for Labor because they think ALP politicians will lick their bums.

  130. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 2:10 pm

    yomms yappin again 🙂

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 30, 2014 2:18 pm

    “ust to be repetitive … FUCK OFF KNEEL!””

    Just to be repetitive deficits of -$31B, -$56B, -$51B, -$47B, -$21B and -$54B funded everything under Labor.

    TB of Queensland is another ALP fraud who cares nothing about Australia but is just an ALP fundamentalist deadbeat whose beliefs do nothing but trash Australia.

  132. October 30, 2014 2:21 pm

    THE AUSTRALIAN LABOR PARTY IS A CORRUPT AND IMMORAL POLITICAL PARTY ELECTED BY CORRUPT AND IMMORAL PEOPLE
    People like to vote for Labor because they think ALP politicians will lick their bums.

    “…..else it will be taken over by extremists bickering with each other.”
    You mean once again ……………. 🙂 LOL

    Abbott has always been an extremist… Bob Santamaria’s bum boy

  133. Splatterbottom permalink
    October 30, 2014 2:45 pm

    “TB of Queensland is another ALP fraud”

    You really make it hard for people to take you seriously when you say stuff like that.

  134. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 30, 2014 2:47 pm

    Ah Ricky turns up.

    A man who voted for a govt that locked up more men, women and children than any govt in Australian history.

    Ricky- a man who destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of people in UNHCR camps who we would have taken if Rudd/Gillard were not in power.

    Also the same thing applies to Reb, Toilet, TB, TomR and anybody else who voted Labor in 2007.

    You fundamentalist deadbeats do nothing but destroy the lives of poor people but give favor to people with $$$$$$$$10,000.

  135. Neil of Sydney permalink
    October 30, 2014 2:49 pm

    “You really make it hard for people to take you seriously when you say stuff like that.”

    Listen mate i have had it with the ALP and its supporters.

    I do not care how corrupt and immoral the Coalition are. The ALP are worse.

    Hawke was as good as it got.

  136. October 30, 2014 2:53 pm

    Ah Ricky turns up.

  137. ironicman permalink
    October 30, 2014 2:55 pm

    Keating was wittier.

  138. October 30, 2014 2:55 pm

    That`s nice blubbers. Jenna`s quite the `Liberated` women.
    l wonder when she will release the video. #woof

  139. October 30, 2014 3:04 pm

    ””’visibly and markedly different.””’
    on the `crap-scale` tomR, not the `excellence-scale`, which is quite different, as l`ve said previously, two very different paths can often still lead to a crap destination, chopping and changing between `paths` and `destinations` to try and make a team-cheerers case(either-teams) does not impress the already disenfranchised

  140. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 3:10 pm

    Flip flop, flop flip, flip flop … adults in charge — of what?

    What a Wankfest!

    However, it had to promise to keep the Climate Change Authority, which it had promised during last year’s election campaign to dump.

    The authority will spend the next 18 months investigating an emissions trading scheme, which the government had also said previously that it would never implement.

    The Clean Energy Finance Corporation will also remain.

    The government is also in talks with Labor to scale back the Renewable Energy Target, which requires 20 per cent of Australia’s energy use to be sourced from renewable energy such as solar, wind and hydro, by 2020.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/direct-action-plan-what-is-tony-abbotts-climate-change-policy/story-e6frflp0-1227107070697

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 3:15 pm

    Noted, sb …

    I do not care how corrupt and immoral the Coalition are. The ALP are worse.

    Therein lies your mental disability, Kneel … now FUCK OFF!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Apologies to everyone else … I blame it on my cortisone injection this morning … and that FUCKWIT, KNEEL!

  142. October 30, 2014 3:16 pm

    ””””Faulkner says, the old ways have not kept up and labor as a party, needs to reform to become democratic for all workers and not a career pathway”””’

    Yeah, l tend to agree with faulkner, (don`t mind him actually) but the major problem/s l think alp have is discipline and self-control, and staying on-track and avoiding sideshows. Both regimes of Joolya and Kevin07 suffered because of these missing attributes. Unfortunately the teabags tend to excel here. What do`ya reckon armchair.?

  143. October 30, 2014 3:16 pm

    Keating was wittier.

    Somewhere in that vage is a little inny penis just waiting to bust out through the denial 🙂

    You really make it hard for people to take you seriously when you say stuff like that

    .
    Just treat the vindictive stupidity of troll bullshit with the contempt it has duly earned splatter…

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 3:28 pm

    Unfortunately the teabags tend to excel here.

    Disagree, Tbagz, they’re all over the place with silly decisions and backflips, forward flips and handstand … destroying businesses and ordinary people’s lives with ideological claptrap … Cameron did the same in the UK and had people rioting on the streets …

    Get rid of negative gearing, family trusts and post political perqs … and I’d even vote for you …

    Till then my ballot card will have a gig red cross from corner to corner … I’m happy with a passive revolution …

  145. October 30, 2014 3:41 pm

    Those are nice looking awards you’re handing out there Ricky… 🙂

  146. October 30, 2014 3:45 pm

    yeah tomR, just checked`ya education calc, agree that on .edu there does seem to be substantial difference, unfortunately, not directly relevant to me, my school-days are done`n`dusted, (and l never claimed edu in my args) tho l am interested to know where all these uni qualified folks are going to work, so-called jobs of the future, l already know people with uni quals and never were able to use them, did low-paid pleb-jobs, one mirrors recent news story on teaching quals not so long back, my bet still is in the future, there will be shit loads of multi-degree `hexers` working junk-jobs on minimum (flippin-burgers) with teabag-govt/s unable to collect `repayment` anyway, notice, they never `specify` which `specific` jobs will be strongly secure, and actually worthy of students investing years of study in(not to mention said debt) #teabags

  147. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 3:48 pm

    “Also the same thing applies to Reb, Toilet, TB, TomR and anybody else who voted Labor in 2007.”

    Well you are off my Christmas Card list

  148. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 3:51 pm

    The Captain’s Pick is about to explain herself to the Senate

  149. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 3:59 pm

    Here’s my tip for the captain’s pick excuse –
    • It’s an outrage that my privacy has been breached
    • Emails are personal
    • It should never happen
    • Murdoch is a disgrace
    • Athletics Australia always pays for my bed partners
    • Where’s the evidence that I did anything wrong?
    • Murdoch is a disgrace
    • It should never happen
    • It’s an outrage that my privacy has been breached

  150. October 30, 2014 4:00 pm

    tb keep in mind l`m talking about `like` events, john-w faced #poor polls, costello made noises about hand-over, the vast majority of the teabags stayed `inline` even after 11-years of the same tired old leader, they stuck.

    The first term Kevin07 regime fell to bits, knifed their leader, vitriol spouted everywhere largely because of #poor polls, (and didn`t `win` the election with their shiny new no carbon tax under the govt l lead joo-liar)

  151. armchair opinionator permalink
    October 30, 2014 4:18 pm

    “… Both regimes of Joolya and Kevin07 suffered because of these missing attributes. Unfortunately the teabags tend to excel here. What do`ya reckon armchair…”

    The leaks are from disgruntled mps and party insiders, it seems to be the method of political communications these days, leak through media. The journos cultivate the mps and write up the damaging article as info from an “un named source” probably the back room union boys flexing muscle.

    That’s all it is now, a morphine drip of leaks that are supposed to be scoops.

    Happens with the coalition as well, remember when Abbott said he had to fit in the hospital visit to claim entitlements when he was at a lib fundraiser?

    Abbott will be leaked against when people get sick of credlin HQ and start jostling for portfolios.

  152. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 4:39 pm

    Extortion………………..Blackmail……………………Money……………………Child Custody……………………Olympic Athletes……………………….Cathy Freeman……………………….Gold Medals…………………………………Tim Tams

    This story has it all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  153. October 30, 2014 4:39 pm

    “Abbott will be leaked against when people get sick of credlin HQ and start jostling for portfolio”.

    I doubt whether those leaks will damage teflon Tony though…

    How many of his own monumental gaffes have gone unnoticed? – suppository, winkgate, baddies vs baddies….??

    He’s a walking fkn embarrassment but yet the media give him a free pass.

    IT’S A DISGRACE!!

  154. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 4:39 pm

    But she is make no mistake a political dead woman walking

  155. October 30, 2014 4:39 pm

    “Tim Tams”

    LOL…

  156. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 4:42 pm

    What is it with people that tort the public purse and Tim Tams?

  157. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    October 30, 2014 4:44 pm

    “rort” the public purse…

    (I don’t like this phone)

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 4:53 pm

    But she is make no mistake a political dead woman walking

    Timings helpful to the government …

    … utegate, ashbygate (what happened to that little gem – poof — and he’s gone), ICACgate … Bronwyn Bishop an 18th century a private school prefect bully …

    And you really know when, The Abbott, has returned to the Canberra Monastery … all Hell breaks loose …

    Just sayin’ …

  159. October 30, 2014 4:54 pm

    Yeah l somewhat agree armchair, l would point out tho, that the `cultivating` goes both ways, credlin has a well cultivated crop of imbeciles at her disposal, team rupert ensures it, likewise Kevin07 cultivated a few dills when he was getting kevenge on joolya.

    From my view outside both camps, it seems to me both teams have very different dynamics, the alp `factions` seem to be quite a bit more `vicious` toward each other, (which would do them better to spend on the teabags), meanwhile, team-dcikhead seem to tolerate their loose-cannons a bit better, l`m thinking barnaby. Maybe because barnaby has a true constituency that would stick with him if he went indie, they allow him to run off the rails, and blow-off some steam on behalf of his electorate from time to time.

    #currently beef-ban is barnabys beef (and katters)

    Mr-talkbull knows better on the nbn, but instead plays nicely, and plays imbecile.

    l`m not sure `if` mr-rabbit is leaked against, that teabag-media will actually run with it, particularly `un-named`sources type crap, my ABC has lost its bottle and l can`t see rupurts lot running anything too detrimental against ruperts pet.

  160. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 5:31 pm

    This story has it all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, it has one thing lacking that I can see. the Public Interest (as opposed to interest by the public)

  161. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 5:41 pm

    “………Well, it has one thing lacking that I can see. the Public Interest…………..”

    What taxpayers funds being used/steered into a direction to satisfy a craving for Tim Tams is not in the Public interest ?

    Good to see there was a “comprehensive” audit conducted. Certainly the fastest audit in my memory and I’ve been involved in a few.

  162. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 6:10 pm

    What taxpayers funds being used/steered into a direction to satisfy a craving for Tim Tams is not in the Public interest ?

    From all accounts, the parties involved were extremely happy that Peris was able to get Ato Boldon out here. The fact that Peris made hay while the sun was shining didn’t change anything.

  163. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 6:16 pm

    “………..the parties involved were extremely happy that Peris was able to get Ato Boldon out here……….”

    Really………………………………Ato Boldon doesn’t even have an Olympic Gold Medal

    I’d be pretty certain there would be some other black athletes that would have come out for that sort of money.

  164. Tom R permalink
    October 30, 2014 6:24 pm

    lol, walrus is an athletics expert all of a sudden ROFL

  165. October 30, 2014 6:32 pm

    “I’d be pretty certain there would be some other black athletes that would have come out for that sort of money.”

    But I thought he was straight….?

  166. Walrus permalink
    October 30, 2014 6:38 pm

    “walrus is an athletics expert all of a sudden ROFL”

    Nah……………..I’m just partial to the odd Tim Tam myself.

    But dont get in the sight of Mrs Walrus. She wields a very lethal recurve bow (Australian Championships in years gone by and still deadly accurate)

  167. ironicman permalink
    October 30, 2014 6:46 pm

    ‘But I thought he was straight….?’

    🙂

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 7:26 pm

    But I thought he was straight….?

    Yuv still got ut, Jummy!

    Comedy Gold! Gold! Gold!

    Seems Olympic Gold Medals are the only criteria to be able to inspire kids … ignoranc e is bliss …

    There is so much bliss around today … I think I’ll have a glass of wine and float away …

    Off to a Halloween (dress up party of Saturday) guess what I came across a week ago …

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 7:32 pm

    No kidding … I’m making up a smoke bomber tomorrow …

    sreb, do remember as a kid using a rope burner for fireworks? Thought I might stick one in a can with holes …

    Plan on taking a tray around with Sakata cracker and small glasses of wine …. a gift from the church …

  170. October 30, 2014 7:41 pm

    “Plan on taking a tray around with Sakata cracker and small glasses of wine …. a gift from the church …

    I’d be inclined to give them cup cakes sprinkled with crystal meth and send them on their way back home (but only to those good dog-fearing families mind you)..

  171. October 30, 2014 7:42 pm

    “small glasses of wine”

    What even is that?

  172. TB Queensland permalink
    October 30, 2014 9:18 pm

    What even is that?

    Giggle … eight years and I still laugh at yer crap! … 🙂

  173. October 30, 2014 10:10 pm

    “Also the same thing applies to Reb, Toilet, TB, TomR and anybody else who voted Labor in 2007.”

    How the fuck do you know whom I voted for in 2007, Kneel? you fucking imbecile.

    You wouldn’t even know what seat I vote in.

    Also…that was seven years ago, moron.

  174. October 31, 2014 12:25 am

    The Captain’s Pick is about to explain herself to the Senate

    Hacked or not I’d say she will go with the donkey defense…

    Well you are off my Christmas Card list

    LOL..:-)

    Those are nice looking awards you’re handing out there Ricky… 🙂

    Thanks Reb.. I do like to give credit it where is is ..dully earned.. I hope you don’t feel I was imposingly forward in giving them a Trash Approval.. I just went with bipartisan public opinion and the general vibe of disdain , contempt and general fucktarery 🙂

    This story has it all !

    Pretty good , Pales next to Ashbygate, Whats in Crissy’s closet? or Tony goes to war…

    But don’t get in the sight of Mrs Walrus. She wields a very lethal recurve bow (Australian Championships in years gone by and still deadly accurate)

    Eek my ex wife was a Black belt.. I know the feeling, rather unsettling knowing your wife could do you in in a heartbeat….

  175. October 31, 2014 6:53 am

    “” I hope you don’t feel I was imposingly forward in giving them a Trash Approval.””

    Not at all.. 🙂

  176. October 31, 2014 12:39 pm

    ””””””’the government’s first budget was overwhelmingly targeted at hurting poorer households over wealthier ones, it appears that when the prime minister talks about fairness he’s not talking about equality.

    I have written a number of times that we need to discuss changing the GST. Indirect taxes such as the GST are generally regarded as more efficient than income tax. But what you gain in efficiency you lose in equality.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2014/oct/30/tony-abbotts-call-for-gst-reform-smacks-of-hypocrisy

    Regardless of what you earn, you pay the same amount of GST on an item. And because poorer people spend more of their income on goods and services than do wealthier people, a GST is invariably regressive – it hurts you more the less you earn.””””””””””

    Grogsgamut is `obviously` wrong, he is just repeating the identical things l`ve said previously, which were wrong according to `our` resident teabags.

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