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Labor Surges Ahead in Polls!

November 4, 2014

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Labor has surged ahead of the Coalition to 54%-46% in two-party-preferred terms which would see the Abbott govt annihilated if an election were held today.

The poll will be sobering news for the Abbott govt as it approaches its mid-way point in its first term in office.

Labor’s primary vote is up two points to a three-month high of 36%, compared with the Coalition’s 38%.

The government’s ratings have fallen one point since the last poll was conducted a fortnight ago, with Labor’s standing up one point.

The Coalition has been behind in the polls since April. Its ratings plummeted after the budget, and Labor’s lead in 13 consecutive polls since is its longest run since 2010, when Kevin Rudd was prime minister.

The poll results were flipped this time last year, with the Coalition leading the two-party preferred vote 56%-44%.

Tony Abbott continues to be the preferred prime minister over opposition leader Bill Shorten, remaining steady at 39% to Shorten’s 38%. But Abbott’s satisfaction rating has fallen one point to 37%, with his dissatisfaction rating also down one point to 52%.

Shorten’s satisfaction rating is up two points to 37%. His dissatisfaction rating is also down one point to 45%.

The popularity of the crossbenchers has fallen slightly. The Greens are down one point to 13%, and other parties are down one point, also to 13%.

 

 

 

 

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  1. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2014 9:14 am

    And this is before yabot has embarrassed himself completely at the G20

    But the politics of climate change can shift as dramatically as a sudden summer storm. It was such a hot button issue in 2007 that it forced a reluctant John Howard to promise a world-leading carbon price mechanism. Feeding into that pressure was the prolonged drought in Australia.

    The independent Climate Council has just released analysis tying an increase in the risk of bushfires in South Australia to climate change. Simply put, when scientists warn of extreme weather events thanks to climate change and they happen, denying the link is facile.

    Labor’s Bill Shorten is convinced the pendulum is swinging back and that the 2016 election won’t be a rerun of 2013.

    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2014/11/03/climate-change-tony-abbott-paul-bongiorno/

    Well, with rudd out of the way, it most likely won’t be a re-run 😉

  2. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2014 9:47 am

    More reality that doesn’t fit in with previous scare campaigns

    Factors like rent are having at least as much, if not more influence on childcare fees than quality standards, a new analysis has shown.

    A report by the peak children’s body Early Childhood Australia has found that high-quality childcare services are charging as little as $40 a day while low-quality ones are charging up to $140.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/childcare-quality-does-not-drive-up-costs-study-20141103-11fxxl.html

  3. ironicman permalink
    November 4, 2014 10:16 am

    ‘The independent Climate Council has just released analysis tying an increase in the risk of bushfires in South Australia to climate change.’

    Yes, regional cooling will cause that, but not warming.

  4. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 10:54 am

    Yes, regional cooling will cause that, but not warming.

    egg, your the sort of customer that motor mechanics laugh at as you walk out of the workshop …

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 11:11 am

    BRANDIS

    blockquote>“Please let us not pretend that there is not a specific problem that affects this community,” he said.

    “Every last one of those people have been recruited from within this [Muslim] community.

    “What I’m trying to convey to you is the government thinks that this community is being preyed upon,

    “Young men in particular are being preyed upon and leading them on a path to destruction.”</blockquote.

    BRANDIS ….

    Mr Brandis refused to comment on the whereabouts of the 73 Australians whose passports were cancelled after they attempted to leave the country and join forces with Islamic State.

    “That wouldn’t have happened unless there were grounds. The authorities have their eyes on these people and are going to ensure they don’t do harm. We have an obligation to protect the international community,” he said.

    Anyone see a few problems here?

    I suppose the one most obvious is … habeas corpus …

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/federal-attorneygeneral-george-brandis-fronts-muslim-community-on-abcs-qa-program/story-e6frfmyi-1227111562050

    (30 January 1933)

  6. November 4, 2014 11:16 am

    Herr Bolt disagrees!…

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/government_closing_gap_now_49_to_labors_51/

    …wait, what!?

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/newspoll_labor_ahead_54_to_46/

    Could it be that he’s trying his partisan-arsehat best to build some sort of narrative here? Making sure his crotchsniffing lickspittles maintain their Team Abbott morale?

  7. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 11:26 am

    “Anyone see a few problems here?”

    No !

    I suggest you enlighten yourself with the Australian Passports Act 2005

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 11:44 am

    I suggest you enlighten yourself with the Australian Passports Act 2005

    Perhaps you could identify the relevant clause(s) … as is common practice when quoting acts and regulations … just quoting the legislation tells us nothing …

    … holding people “somewhere” without recourse to a court is illegal … under common law …

  9. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 12:15 pm

    It deals with cancelation of passports by the Minister.

    As usual the Left demands spoonfeeding…………………Go look for yourself Lazy Leftie

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 12:23 pm

    It deals with cancelation of passports by the Minister.

    So what? I know that.

    You are obviously unaware of what habeas corpus actually means …

    I’d be pissed off if one of my relatives or friends suddenly disappeared … and a public servant refused to tell me his/her whereabouts …

  11. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 12:28 pm

    “”You are obviously unaware of what habeas corpus actually means …””

    ROFLMAO……….oh I see its TB the bush lawyer transitioning from his recent career of assembling home computers good enuf to run in a cutting edge jet fighter………………….oh spare me the laughter

    Ummmmmmmmmm……………….like who exactly has disappeared ? You implied it was about passports

  12. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 12:31 pm

    You better actually watch the program to understand the context of his answer to the specific question. He was not talking about people in custody.

  13. November 4, 2014 12:34 pm

    Egg can you just fuck off somewhere else with your climate change BS..

    I’m sick and tired of you derailing threads here so consider yourself permanently banned.

    You’ve had plenty of warnings in the past but still you insist on abusing the privilege of commenting on this forum.

  14. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 12:44 pm

    Ouch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And here I was just thinking how peaceful it was here with those in the South pre occupied with a Horse Race

  15. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2014 12:52 pm

    Yes, it is peaceful here, I dropped Fifi off at the station an hour ago, she needs a head start.

    I prefer to get there just in time for the race, when everyone is fully charged. It should be great for drunk watching, warm day with a late cool change, ideal conditions for drunks.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 12:55 pm

    Defence Force Welfare Association not happy with 1.5 per cent payrise

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten also has condemned the pay decision which follows pay increases of around three per cent over the past three years.

    “Our Defence Force shouldn’t have to fight the Abbott Government for fair pay and acceptable leave — they sacrifice enough and they deserve better,” Mr Shorten said yesterday when the pay decision was released.

    “The Budget papers show that a wage increase of almost four per cent has been provided for in the Defence budget.”

    “By offering a pay deal of 1.5 per cent the Government is essentially taking a saving at the expense of our Defence personnel.”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/defence-force-welfare-association-not-happy-with-15-per-cent-payrise/story-fncynjr2-1227112082290

    The Abbott & The Acolytes … one hit wonders … ?

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 12:57 pm

    Yeah, Wally …

    Mr Brandis refused to comment on the whereabouts of the 73 Australians whose passports were cancelled

    Why?

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 1:32 pm

    A true romantic

    Speechless … 🙄

  19. November 4, 2014 2:04 pm

    ‘The independent Climate Council has just released analysis tying an increase in the risk of bushfires in South Australia to climate change.’
    Yes, regional cooling will cause that, but not warming.

    You asked for it… Banned!!!!… check if she and NOS have the same IP I recon…

    Wally there is lots of Shit Brandis refuses to say or admit.. It was pretty tough watching him on Q and A last night… He is a gold plated up himself toff nosed arrogant Fucktard.

    I guess the people are not taking to Abbott then?

    Recon that’s why 2GB and the Un Australian is going hard on the Shortman rape thing and that Liberal stooge barrister Peter Faris QC is doing pro bono in a piss poor attempt to destroy him.
    If the fiberals spent as much time actually devising and executing real policy as they do executing their petty vindictiveness..maybe they would not be down the shitter…They cannot help themselves and are incapable of governing for the majority…This is by a long shot the worst and most unworthy government in Aussie history.

  20. November 4, 2014 2:21 pm

    Seriously what a creepy old fuckwit…

  21. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2014 3:32 pm

    “…Recon that’s why 2GB and the Un Australian is going hard on the Shortman rape thing and that Liberal stooge barrister Peter Faris QC is doing pro bono in a piss poor attempt to destroy him…”

    I still think that the rape issue should has had more coverage. There seems to have been some degree of reluctance in the reporting of the accusations and it was kept hush hush (supposedly the worst kept secret in politics) until an announcement that no charges would be laid. doesn’t mean he’s innocent IMO, could be not enough evidence to convict etc

    I would have liked more, especially as shorten will be running for PM.

    Why was it suppressed?

  22. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 3:33 pm

    “”…….Recon that’s why 2GB and the Un Australian is going hard on the Shortman rape thing and that Liberal stooge barrister Peter Faris QC is doing pro bono in a piss poor attempt to destroy him…………””

    Are you one bucketful of absolute crazy Ricky

    The last thing the LNP is for anyone to destroy Shorten

  23. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 3:33 pm

    “”Seriously what a creepy old fuckwit…””

    Is that ToM and Fifi ?????????????????

  24. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2014 3:39 pm

    Why was it suppressed?

    So they can can revive it later when it can really hurt.

  25. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 3:51 pm

    “”So they can revive it later when it can really hurt.””

    My Dog you talk some crap…………….so if it was pursued you’d be saying there’s no evidence and Life is all so unfair and now because the woman involved is taking some action you are equally outraged.

    Seems to me you only care about your mate Shorten and you actually don’t give a ratz about the woman.

    By the way AO I think I remember someone in the ALP saying the woman had mental health problems…….someone from the ALP “leadership” group…………………….perhaps Tony Bourke but cant quite recall who

  26. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2014 3:53 pm

    So when it does get revived closer to election time, I’ll still be taking crap I guess 😉

  27. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:09 pm

    You don’t need an election to talk crap !

  28. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:10 pm

    You could quite happily talk crap in North Korea 🙂

  29. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:18 pm

    You would have thought the accusation would have been enough to rule shorten out of contention for ALP leader.
    It needed to be covered and dealt with prior to becoming OL to see whether it is an issue with voters. I don’t like shorten, I think he was forced upon us by Labors right wing (reform please) and any coverage pre election as tomR says could happen, would lose an election you would think.

    Why would labor stick with shorten? Do they really think we deserve such little voting choice, shorten with the whiff of rape or nothing?

    Another shit sandwich for the unrepresented in this so called democracy, how little they care about us.

  30. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:21 pm

    Quick check of times and anyone else I’d say had lost a bundle on “the race that fucks a nation” … but then Wally’s comments are pretty much the same hyped misunderstandings every day …

    Just another Manic Tuesday … 🙂

    So Wally … where are the 73 wannabe Dickwits® who lost their passports?

  31. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:23 pm

    I don’t like shorten, I think he was forced upon us by Labors right wing (reform please)

    Yep, the ALP has better more experienced talent … as the rank and file obviously knew …

    Another shit sandwich for the unrepresented in this so called democracy, how little they care about us.

    I’m feeling more than a little disenfranchised myself at the moment … !

  32. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:26 pm

    Or is that disenchanted?

    Nah! Never enchanted by any politician … nix, nyet, nola, none, never …

  33. November 4, 2014 4:33 pm

    The last thing the LNP is for anyone to destroy Shorten……

    Yeah good point you have there Walrus… and considering Abbotts latest polls the last thing the ALP want is Abbotts gone to @ minus eleventy.

    Yes AO he was forced on us.. the center right, affiliated unions and right wing voted as a block… I had this out with somebody that called themselves center right…
    Sounds like you are half pregnant…

    Re Shortman and the Rape Allegations… there is lots of this shit goes on in the ALP…especially in the factions..allege something, get it to the cops.. then take it to the admin committee to try and charge for suspension or expulsion… Not sayin this was the case but it happens a lot.

    Cops take Rape very very seriously and if there was anything in it , it would have been dealt
    with…

  34. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:34 pm

    “” … where are the 73 wannabe Dickwits® who lost their passports?”””

    Sitting at home collecting their DSP until Centrelink finally tells them to get a fucking job

  35. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:37 pm

    “”I don’t like shorten, I think he was forced upon us by Labors right wing (reform please)””

    My my you lot have short memories. He was forced upon you by the election rules that Rudd forced upon the ALP

    I remember ROFLMAO at the Madness of it all at the time…………………..and I have not stopped since

  36. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:39 pm

    Sitting at home collecting their DSP until Centrelink finally tells them to get a fucking job

    So you watched Q&A last night … why couldn’t Brandis say that? Well, they are at home … with family …

    Or are you just making shite up like any good LNP acolyte … ?

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:43 pm

    He was forced upon you by the election rules that Rudd forced upon the ALP

    Well, yes and no … Shorten was still voted in by Caucus … not the members — did you read my comment earlier? … or comprehend the meaning? Might have been a bit too subtle for you …

    “Yep, the ALP has better more experienced talent … as the rank and file obviously knew …”

  38. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 4:44 pm

    I remember ROFLMAO at the Madness of it all at the time…………………..and I have not stopped since

    And I must say your comments reflect that image …

  39. November 4, 2014 5:18 pm

    “formaldehyde tweety”

    🙂

  40. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 6:13 pm

    “”Shorten was still voted in by Caucus … not the members “”

    Yep and that power sharing was all demanded and arranged and agreed upon per Rudd

    As I said………….thankyou Ruddster……………………ROFLMAO

  41. Walrus permalink
    November 4, 2014 6:15 pm

    “”Egg can you just fuck off somewhere else with your climate change BS..””

    Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm

    To be fair I think Egg was replying to TomR’s climate change bullshit

  42. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 7:01 pm

    Yep and that power sharing was all demanded and arranged and agreed upon per Rudd

    You sound as if the Liberal Leader is elected by rank and file, Wally?

    Guffaw!

    To be fair I think Egg was replying to TomR’s climate change bullshit

    Shit! Keep that up and I can see another banning coming on!

    That’d be a shame … I love the smell of burning bullshit in the morning! 🙂

  43. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2014 7:02 pm

    There should be a law against this kind of thing…

    http://instagram.com/drunkgirlsofmelbournecup/?utm_source=partner&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=photo

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 7:04 pm

    Big push to change Lib Leader by Rupert I see … chortle …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/cuneen-launches-icac-challenge/story-e6frfku9-1227112233609

    Check the teasers at the top of the page …

  45. TB Queensland permalink
    November 4, 2014 7:08 pm

    There should be a law against this kind of thing…

    And that’s the rich, elite of Melbourne … no wonder we’re stuck with the wasteful and useless G20 …

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2014 7:34 pm

    I believe Tony of South Yarra was at the Cup…

  47. November 4, 2014 7:36 pm

    Yep and that power sharing was all demanded and arranged and agreed upon per Rudd
    As I said………….thankyou Ruddster……………………ROFLMAO

    Soory fucking wrong again.. are you a member did you vote?

    I was the first vote by membership not part of the caucus… the factions voted in blocks and remain doing so against the Faulkner reforms…

    I think you are confusing that with Rudd picking his own cabinet. Sam Dastyari was the one pushing for a rank and file leadership ballot. It was the first time that the factional members were allowed to vote independent of the block…which sadly most did not because they will not let go of the power base,,,

    The Liberal party is way less democratic.. it is tantamount to an autocracy complete with compliant operatives and apparatchiks raiding and stacking branches of little old ladies.. that’s how the religious right strong armed numbers… Morrison lied his way into Cook with a filthy smear campaign after he got the ass from tourism Australia.

    Says it all really

  48. November 4, 2014 7:43 pm

    Brussels lout

  49. November 4, 2014 7:55 pm

    “I believe Tony of South Yarra was at the Cup…”

    Correct.

  50. November 4, 2014 8:01 pm

    “I’m sick and tired of you derailing threads here so consider yourself permanently banned.”

    His/her transgression doesn’t seem that serious.

    Besides, who’s Ricky going to use for fotoshop fodder?

  51. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2014 8:09 pm

    The labor reforms were a good thing, there just wasn’t enough of it.
    The unions made sure they controlled the vote by the count system they used. It wasn’t a straight out popular vote of equal representation between members. The usuals formed a bloc (as ricky explained) to ensure they would get their guy in.
    Members didn’t vote shorten in, they were rolled by a pre determined outcome.

    Still, even that is more by way of reform than the libs have done. I am hoping that one day there will be total reform, I think labor’s future depends upon it.

    Shorten is a product of all that I dislike about modern labor and I sense that nothing will change while he is their leader.

  52. November 4, 2014 8:19 pm

    One day the penny will drop.

    Democracy is far from the ideal system most perceive it to be.

  53. November 4, 2014 8:20 pm

    “His/her transgression doesn’t seem that serious.”

    Ok, in the interests of reaffirming my unending benevolence, I’ll reverse my earlier decision.

    But I get the distinct feeling that it will be a temporary measure.

  54. November 4, 2014 8:29 pm

    That’s very decent of you, Dear Leader.

    So can we have a new arts thread, too?

  55. November 4, 2014 8:33 pm

    And a music one, if it’s not pushing things. 😉

  56. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2014 8:37 pm

    Why not have a arts music thread?

    Cos IronMaiden have LOTS of cool covers 😉

  57. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2014 8:37 pm

    “…His/her transgression doesn’t seem that serious…”

    Until the next transgression and the next and the next…and so on.

    There is never any attempt at self control or limiting behaviour, he will do it over and over again. I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s an Astroturfer, paid for the volume of propaganda produced.

  58. November 4, 2014 8:42 pm

    “I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s an Astroturfer, paid for the volume of propaganda produced.”

    I’m sure you’re just kidding. However, on the off chance you’re not, his/her staying here will give you the chance to prove his/her Astroturfism. 😉

  59. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2014 8:45 pm

    I think the sheer stupidity of his statements rule out being a paid troll for deniers. I mean, compared with the likes of bolt or monkton …………….
    oh, wait……….

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2014 8:47 pm

    “…Cos IronMaiden have LOTS of cool covers…”

    But those are in context with the conversation. Not trying to find any excuse to jump in with a personal obsession and compulsion disorder.

  61. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2014 8:48 pm

    So basically, I think what they are saying, is we still don’t have a fucking clue what’s going on with the economy. Which is probably a good thing for the gubmint

    Australia’s official statistician on Tuesday released revised figures for employment that showed the labour market was weaker than first reported over August and September.

    ………………

    The unemployment rate was now put at 6.2 percent in September and 6.1 percent for August, compared to a previous 6.1 percent and 6.0 percent respectively.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/revised-employment-data-released-20141104-11gld8.html#ixzz3I4ApS97M

  62. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 4, 2014 9:00 pm

    “Not trying to find any excuse to jump in with a personal obsession and compulsion disorder.

    Anyone want to talk about the insidious influence unions have on the ALP?

  63. Tom R permalink
    November 4, 2014 9:00 pm

    Not trying to find any excuse to jump in with a personal obsession and compulsion disorder.

    Who, me? 😉

    Yea, OK, maybe I am a little fixated 🙂

  64. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 4, 2014 9:19 pm

    Can we red card the Blot?

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/11/03/why-we-cant-ignore-andrew-bolt

    “…A few weeks ago, Tony Abbott was discussing the problem of “hate preachers”. He said we “should have a system in place that red cards these hate preachers.”…”

  65. November 4, 2014 10:11 pm

    Priceless

  66. November 4, 2014 10:39 pm

    “His/her transgression doesn’t seem that serious.”
    Ok, in the interests of reaffirming my unending benevolence, I’ll reverse my earlier decision.
    But I get the distinct feeling that it will be a temporary measure.

    Whats the Captains call on a shirtfront?

    Cos IronMaiden have LOTS of cool covers 😉

    No

    Anyone want to talk about the insidious influence unions have on the ALP?

    No

    A music one would be nice 😉

    Yes

    Can we red card the Blot?

    Shirtfront then Nut

    I’ve come to the conclusion that he’s an Astroturfer, paid for the volume of propaganda produced.

    Her and Squeal most certainly are

  67. November 4, 2014 10:47 pm

    This piece on ABC Budget Cuts was filmed two hours before we found out we were victims of them.

    Oh the irony of irony

  68. November 5, 2014 1:09 am

    Doesn’t fit the narrative…must be a leftist conspiracy of tewwa-deniers…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/04/shia-muslims-chanting-down-with-isis-ashura-procession-sydney

  69. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 7:49 am

    Anyone want to talk about the insidious influence unions have on the ALP?

    You know I’m always up for that yomm

    Let’s talk about those nasty Unions and their “puppets” the Labor party who are so influenced by them they elected Rudd as leader 😯

    And then implemented a range of INSIDIOUS policies such as

    * Fair Work Act (nasty Unions)
    * Gonski
    * NBN
    * NDIS
    * PPL
    * ETS
    * Marine Parks
    * Plain Packaging
    * BER
    * Large Increases to the age and disability pension.
    ….

    Yea, INSIDIOUS

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  70. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 7:52 am

    Meanwhile, this is what the party with the insidious influence of big business, big pharma, big miners and big media has delivered us, on top of all their other acts of bastardry

    The Defence Force Welfare Association’s Facebook page has been carpet bombed with negative comments about the 1.5 per cent pay rise across three years plus the loss of leave days for 57,000 members of the ADF with comparisons being drawn with the massive leap in politicians entitlements and Tony Abbott referred to as the “Slime Minister”.

    “I saw my husband for 55 days in total last year and this is what we get,” wrote one woman who called the deal pathetic.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/slime-minister-abbott-diggers-families-and-supporters-vent-outrage-at-adf-pay-deal-20141104-11gnvx.html

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 5, 2014 8:03 am

    “Marine Parks

    Marine Parks? AS far as i know the marine parks were started by the Howard govt. I don’t think the Rudd/Gillard govt created a single marine park.

  72. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 8:10 am

    I don’t think

    And there you have it folks 😉

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-13/coalition-scraps-labor27s-marine-parks-management-plans/5156674

  73. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 5, 2014 8:16 am

    Do you read your own links?? Labor did not create a single marine park while in office. The had plans to extend the marine park network created by the Howard govt but the Coalition were against it because they said the Howard govt marine parks were big enough.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bushtelegraph/marine-parks/4931430

    “Director of Australia Marine Conservation society, Darren Kindleysides says marine parks used to have bi-partisan support.

    “The whole process which lead to the creation of the marines reserves… started under the Howard Government.

    “The Howard Government established 22 marine reserves.”

    However the Coalition are against Labors plane to extend the network.

    Rudd/Gillard did not create a single marine park.

  74. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 8:22 am

    You really are quite slow aren’t you nil

    I didn’t claim Labor created marine parks, I simply listed their marine parks legislation (which saw it massively increased) as a positive policy.

    The fact that the libs are dismantling it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a policy and, if it had not been dismantled, would be in effect.

    Try to get up to speed

  75. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 5, 2014 8:32 am

    “I didn’t claim Labor created marine parks,

    Well that was my impression.

    The whole marine park network, approx 1 million square kilometers in size, was created by the Howard govt.

    Labor wanted to increase it from 1 million to 3 million square kilometers in size but the Coalition were against it because it would lock out recreational fisherman.

    But it shows how deceitful Labor supporters are. Labor just has to make an announcement and that counts as an accomplishment.

  76. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 8:41 am

    Well that was my impression.

    That’s your problem, not mine.

    it would lock out recreational fisherman.

    Again, that is a result of your ignorance, not the facts

    “The marine reserves have been designed to have minimal impact on recreational fishers. They will not lock families out of our oceans and the places where a majority of families love to fish including fishing from beaches, lagoons and jetties will not be impacted. In fact, 96 per cent of oceans within 100 kilometres of the coast are still open to recreational fishers,” Mr Butler said.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bushtelegraph/marine-parks/4931430

  77. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 8:47 am

    fyi nil

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-14/australian-marine-reserves-maps/4069666

    But, again, it fell victim to a massive scare campaign based on lies and disinformation.

    Pretty much the libs in opposition really

  78. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 9:04 am

    This is how the INSIDIOUS cartel which is the DEAD HAND of its liberal party puppets operates

    A leaked tape from an oil and gas industry conference shows how Big Carbon uses dirty tricks to undermine science, vilify its critics and discredit journalists who criticise the use of fossil fuels

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/fossil-fuel-industrys-dirty-tricks-campaign-exposed,7064

  79. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 9:31 am

  80. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 5, 2014 9:32 am

    Fact is Rudd/Gillard did not create a single marine park. The marine park network was created by the Howard govt.

    I would think most normal people would get the impression from your list that Labor created the marine parks.

  81. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 9:32 am

  82. November 5, 2014 10:53 am

    Fact… Marine parks were created by Howard… the industry and fish stock were being pillaged in a free for all

    Fact…Labor sought to extend them in a long consultative process. Excluding recreational fisherman is just a potshot unsubstantiated fabrication.

    Fact… This government is dismantling the legislation and a great Howard legacy, and has allowed dredging on the reef. Their environmental policies and marine policies are deplorable.

    But it shows how deceitful Labor supporters are. Labor just has to make an announcement and that counts as an accomplishment.

  83. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 5, 2014 10:54 am

    Actually the marine park network shows the difference between the ALP and the Coalition.

    The Liberals create but the ALP proposes.

  84. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 10:55 am

    Fact is Rudd/Gillard did not create a single marine park

    You’re not having a good morning are you nil

    ​Australia’s precious marine environments have been permanently protected with the proclamation of the world’s biggest network of marine reserves.

    Environment Minister, Tony Burke, today marked the proclamation which will protect more than 2.3 million square kilometres of ocean environment.

    …….

    The process of developing the management plans for the new reserves will commence immediately.

    http://frdc.com.au/knowledge/news_and_media/media_releases/Pages/Gillard-Government-proclaims-the-final-network-of-Commonwealth-marine-reserves.aspx

    It is the management plans that are being reviewed by the current gubmint, the reserves are still there.

  85. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2014 10:57 am

    I’ve been out since 7:30 am so thought I’d check news.com.au (The Art of War)

    First story …

    NSW Attorney General Brad Hazzard told 7.30 matter-of-factly that the decision to slash the payouts comes down to the government trying to save money.

    “It’s almost unbelievable that there can be animals out there that do these sort of things to people but at the end of the day we have to make sure that we are providing a scheme, a system, that is sustainable, financially for the state,” he said.

    Try telling that to Ms Keshishian and the 24,000 other victims of crimes who stand to have their compensation slashed by the NSW government.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/i-can-see-them-laughing-at-me-gang-rape-victim-katrina-keshishian-speaks-out/story-fncynjr2-1227112767103

    Another LNP government?

    Here we go again …

    I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy (for the rich)!

    Prosperity With Integrity!

  86. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 11:03 am

    I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy (for the rich)!

    It is their way TB. No forward thinking, except when it comes to transferring public moneys to their private mates pockets

    “We’ll find any way we can to take the money out of the universities,” Hockey told the Australian Financial Review on Tuesday.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/04/david-leyonhjelm-threatens-to-end-his-support-for-university-funding-cuts

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2014 11:04 am

    The unemployment rate was now put at 6.2 percent in September and 6.1 percent for August, compared to a previous 6.1 percent and 6.0 percent respectively.

    And the USA are below 6% and GDP 3.5%

    Australia’s numbers are tumbling … how long have the “adults” been playing in the sand pit?

    No good pointing fingers now … this government is responsible for the slowing economy … self-fulfilling prophecy, methinks …

  88. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 11:20 am

    this government is responsible for the slowing economy

    but .. but … but

    IT WAS ALL BECAUSE OF SWAN!

    🙂

  89. November 5, 2014 11:21 am

    Nice cartoon, Tom R. It manages to cram all Labor’s talking-points into about 12 square inches. Must make your work easy. 😉

  90. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 11:24 am

    Must make your work easy.

    No. nil does that 🙂

  91. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 11:29 am

    This gubmint is so full of shit

    The government has cut almost half a billion dollars from research into carbon capture and storage – which the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) deems crucial for continued use of coal – despite the prime minister insisting coal is the “foundation of our prosperity”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/05/carbon-capture-and-storage-research-budget-slashed-despite-pms-coal-focus

  92. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 5, 2014 11:29 am

    “The unemployment rate was now put at 6.2 percent in September

    Actually 6.2% was close to a record low point for the Hawke/Keating govt.

    It should be stated that TB of Queensland voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.

  93. November 5, 2014 1:33 pm

    It should be stated that TB of Queensland voted for Keating when unemployment was at 11%.

    Paid by the click prick…. contextual irreverence from the ignorantly irreverent

  94. Walrus permalink
    November 5, 2014 1:41 pm

    “The government has cut almost half a billion dollars from research into carbon capture and storage ”

    Actually………………that’s excellent news

    Would it be too much to hope for the entire destruction of all this wind farm bullshit as well ?

  95. Walrus permalink
    November 5, 2014 1:59 pm

    “I prefer to live in a society where I can download as much pirated shit off the internet as I can possibly manage (for the rich)!

    Prosperity With Integrity!”*

    * “Integrity” without including theft that is. Otherwise its just hypocrisy from a windbag.
    ************************************************************************************

    There TB. It took a bit of work but I fixed it for you

  96. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 2:05 pm

    Actually………………that’s excellent news

    Well, perhaps yes, perhaps not (personally, I’m not much of a fan of it)

    But, it is a center piece of ther direct action policy, it was much talked about and much hyped by the libs in their war against a Carbon Price. In fact, they lambasted Labor about not putting enough effort into it.

    And yet now, when the rubber hits the road, their center piece is not even going to match what Labor WERE putting into it.

    Just chalk up another round of utter bullshit to the libs I guess. C’est la vie

  97. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 2:11 pm

    lolz. wallies lecturing on “integrity”

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    Next, he’ll be lecturing us on road sharing with cyclists 😯

  98. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2014 2:48 pm

    Must make your work easy.

    What, you reckon its hard?… LOL!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The government has cut almost half a billion dollars from research into carbon capture and storage –

    So what’s the “new technology” The Abbott and Acolyte Hunt are burbling about? There won’t be any.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Would it be too much to hope for the entire destruction of all this wind farm bullshit as well ?

    You should get one on yer roof, Wally! (Iggorance is still bliss I see)

    There TB. It took a bit of work but I fixed it for you

    And I checked only yesterday to buy a BD copy of GoT season 4 (already PURCHASED and have 12&3 on the shelf) … and I still can’t buy a GoT … as I said iggorance is bliss … at least I know how to download them … 🙂

    lolz. wallies lecturing on “integrity”

    Shiny arse logic … if you move other people’s money around on computers to deny tax to the nation that’s “clever” … the sooner we simplify the tax laws 20% across the board, no claims, financial year January to December so anyone can understand it … the sooner we reduce the number of shiny arses and give ’em productive jobs … building windfarms would be good … 🙂

  99. Walrus permalink
    November 5, 2014 3:43 pm

    “lolz. wallies lecturing on “integrity”

    Yeah but I’m not the one coming up with the meaningless slogans expecting others to think I am soooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking full of virtue.

    And hey !…………………………………have you ever worn “the uniform” ?

  100. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2014 4:01 pm

    And hey !…………………………………have you ever worn “the uniform” ?

    The shiny arse suit? 🙂

  101. November 5, 2014 4:15 pm

    “expecting others to think I am soooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking full of virtue.”

    I don’t think there’s any risk of that happening.

    #Justsayin

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2014 4:26 pm

    Peace be with you my child …

  103. November 5, 2014 4:32 pm

    And with you.

  104. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2014 4:43 pm

    And with thee …

  105. November 5, 2014 4:46 pm

    *youse*

  106. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 4:47 pm

    And with all three of ya’s

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2014 5:16 pm

    Three?

    I was waiting for the third person too … its all about belief I guess …

  108. Tom R permalink
    November 5, 2014 6:23 pm

    I thought you perhaps did a typo

    Or was it the holy trinity

    you, reb and wallys’r’us 🙂

  109. November 5, 2014 7:44 pm

    ”””You would have thought the accusation would have been enough to rule shorten out of contention for ALP leader.”””
    Not to mention both `knifings` or the fact that most members wanted `albo`, but got stomped by caucus.
    .
    ”””I don’t like shorten, I think he was forced upon us by Labors”’#cranks
    .
    ”””they really think we deserve such little voting choice, shorten with the whiff of rape or nothing?”””
    You should know by now, Girls don`t count either, just ask the`poor`, the gays, or the boat-folk. #yay-team

  110. November 5, 2014 8:20 pm

    #PM cool as climate debate flares:
    There is a lot of horse-shit in that Paul Bongiorno post.

    ””’In the corridors of Washington, Berlin and elsewhere, there is genuine dismay about the lack of attention to climate change in the G20 agenda.”””
    #Horse-shit, obama can`t get it thru Washington, teh-usa states are going-it alone, without their Feds, have done for ages now.
    .
    ”””The UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon is hoping the accumulation of evidence that a climate catastrophe is looming will convince world leaders, including our own, that real and meaningful targets must be set at the Paris conference next year.”””’
    #Wish-in and a-hope-in by Ban-Ki won`t change a damn thing politically, he should know that by now.
    .
    ”””the prime minister boasted at the Business Council dinner that one of his successes is stopping “the demonisation of coal”. His government, fresh from its victories in abolishing the carbon””#tax
    #true, but nothing new in the denial camp
    .
    ”””But the politics of climate change can shift as dramatically as a sudden summer storm.”””’
    #Back to wishing`n`hoping
    .
    ”””The independent Climate Council has just released analysis tying an increase in the risk of””#what-ever
    #They`ve released dozens of reports over the years, and all of`em have been ignored. Just toss this one on the heap with the rest.
    .
    ”””Labor’s Bill Shorten is convinced the pendulum is swinging back and that”””
    Yeah, sure, the pendulum is swinging back(again) and unless it knocks-out our canberra dcikheads with a direct head-blow, there will be no change. Hang-on tight folks! We bought the ticket, and will have to take the ride. lts too late.
    .
    ”””Paul Bongiorno AM is a veteran of the Canberra Press Gallery, with 40 years’ experience covering””#his arse and failing to challenge power.

  111. TB Queensland permalink
    November 5, 2014 8:38 pm

    you, reb and wallys’r’us

    Have you noticed how non-believers are more friendly, TR?

    Rather than the beliefers (sic) who just want you to believe!!!!!!!!!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There is a lot of horse-shit in that Paul Bongiorno post.

    WTF are you talking about?

    So!

    “the demonisation of coal”.

    We now know who the “supporters” are looking at the miners, banks (and their Robber Baron profits) and Saint Rupert of course … what a sick, profit driven world we now live in …

    And despite a lot of caterWallying …

    I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy

  112. November 5, 2014 10:23 pm

    Over at new-matilda, brull is committing the same crime of lazy churnalism based op-ed they continually commit at my abc. The bleating about bolts size of audience is nonsense, 233000 viewers on the floundering network-10, about 30000 blot-blog viewers in the rapidly shrinking press, and what-ever he scores on radio. Big deal. Now for some perspective, the growing online/digital, facebook gets 11-million aussies using it twice a day. ldiots like brull and my abc could learn a lesson from the bbc, that now use `representative-balance`, meaning, denier-scientists are only 3%, so deniers only get to spread their propaganda on 3% of the airtime. Likewise, brull and my abc shouild do the same, and let blot/Limited-news flounder in their own muck, and just ignore`em most of the time.

  113. Walrus permalink
    November 6, 2014 11:38 am

    “I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy”***

    *** Provided I can still thieve on the internet

  114. November 6, 2014 3:46 pm

    There is a lot of horse-shit in that Paul Bongiorno post.

    WTF are you talking about?

    So!
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2014/11/03/climate-change-tony-abbott-paul-bongiorno/

    @TB

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