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Rostrum: Blasphemy Edition!

November 7, 2014

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From the files of “headlines we’d like to see more of,” come these SHOCKING new reports that Muslins and Kristyans are tearing each other to shreds in a blood fuelled orgy of murder and mayhem!

Earlier this year Islamic jihadists embarked on a mission to rid Iraq of the dog-botherers demanding that they either to convert to Islam or face execution.

Tensions between the peace-loving Muslins and the christians are exploding onto the streets of otherwise peaceful neighbourhoods with news just this week that a christian couple were bludgeoned to death in Pakistan by an angry crowd after desecrating the Koran.

Islamic extremist insurgents with Boko Haram killed 1,631 christians in Nigeria in the first six months of 2014 – a figure that is 91 percent of the total christians killed in the country in all of last year, according to advocacy group Jubilee Campaign.

Last year 1,783 Nigerian christians were killed.

The increase in christian deaths this year accompanies an increase in the total number of people killed during the period, mainly by Boko Haram at 4,099 deaths, which is 975 more than the total deaths from attacks by religious extremists for all of last year.

While Boko Haram (translated as “Western education is a sin”) is the moniker residents of Maiduguri, Borno state gave the insurgents, the group calls itself the Jama’atu Ahlis Sunna Lidda’awati walJihad, translated as “The Congregation of the People of Tradition for Proselytism and Jihad.”

The United States designated Boko Haram as a Foreign Terrorist Organization in November 2013.

Christians make up 51.3 percent of Nigeria’s population of 158.2 million, while Muslims account for 45 percent and live mainly in the north. So they’re clearly out numbered.  Why can’t they just convert to christianity then everybody would be happy.

Earlier this year, well-armed Islamist mercenaries from Niger accompanied ethnic Fulani herdsmen in attacks on eight towns and villages across four local government areas in the southern part of Taraba.  The assailants also destroyed three church buildings.

Just last month, armed Muslim extremists stormed two churches in Taraba and killed 31 people as they worshipped.

Two pastors, one pastor’s son, and 28 other christians were slain in the attacks in the villages of Gindin Waya and Sondi, said the Rev. Caleb Ahema, president of the christian reformed church of christ in Nigeria. Ahema said the onslaught was the seventh attack on christian communities in Wukari Local Government Area since February.

“The attack on christians in Taraba state is a planned genocide against christians by Islamic insurgents who have invaded the southern part of the state, inhabited mostly by christians, since February,” he said.

Ahema said the Muslim extremists, who wore military uniforms, were members of the Islamic extremist group Boko Haram who came from outside the state.

Some recent attacks, according to Nigerian press reports, have been carried out by Fulani herdsmen who have become members of Boko Haram, which seeks to impose sharia (Islamic law) throughout Nigeria.

While ethnic Fulanis have had longstanding property disputes with christian farmers, church leaders say attacks on christian communities by the herdsmen constitute a war “by Islam to eliminate christianity” in Nigeria.

“This is the third time that the Muslims have attacked christians on a Sunday,” Ahema said. “The attack led to the death of four persons in Gindin Waya, and 27 persons in Sondi. Among the dead is the pastor of the Sondi church, Nuhu Useni, and his only male child.”

But thankfully, christians are being rallying to the cause with religious groups calling for thousands of christians to “take up arms, make a crusade, and slaughter Muslims who try to kill them.”

It sounds like great fun and should make for riveting viewing. I for one, can’t wait to see it unravelling.

Hallelujah!

 

 

 

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181 Comments leave one →
  1. Walrus permalink
    November 7, 2014 4:02 pm

    It is a very peaceful religion ya know

  2. November 7, 2014 4:16 pm

    “It is a very peaceful religion ya know”

    Well I was going to call this thread – “why are Muslims such a pack of cunts” but I thought that’d be at odds with my Muslim-loving, leftie latte-swilling reputation…

  3. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2014 4:22 pm

    All religions are peaceful … the historical data from millenia to millenia tell us this …

    And there is only one god …

  4. November 7, 2014 4:48 pm

    My favourite bit, which definitely adds extra credibility to each flavour of fantasy club, is how they’re all so adamant that their human authored fable is The exclusive & dependable version of celestial wizardry.

  5. November 7, 2014 5:22 pm

    “My favourite bit, which definitely adds extra credibility to each flavour of fantasy club, is how they’re all so adamant that their human authored fable is The exclusive & dependable version of celestial wizardry.”

    Who’s to say they’re not one and the same, and it’s just the various earthian responses that differ?

    Peak hour, Venice.

  6. November 7, 2014 5:26 pm

    “Who’s to say they’re not one and the same, and it’s just the various earthian responses that differ?”

    Me…but you go ahead and defend the ludicrously improbable if that floats your canoe…

  7. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2014 5:29 pm

    Who’s to say they’re not one and the same, and it’s just the various earthian responses that differ?

    er, that’s what Toillette and I are saying … if there is a god … then …

    But guess what, ToSY … their god is the one god … and “their” means … the Fuckwits™* who “believe” with no “evidence” at all …

    *hope I didn’t offend … 🙂

  8. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2014 5:30 pm

    Hey, ToSY … noice to see yer back to TonySouthYarra!

  9. November 7, 2014 5:32 pm

    “er, that’s what Toillette and I are saying … if there is a god … then …”

    I know that’s what you’re saying, and that’s pretty much what I’m saying.

    Toilet, on the other hand, doesn’t entertain the possibility.

    *You can’t offend me, TB.

  10. November 7, 2014 5:33 pm

    Well, so I am.

  11. November 7, 2014 5:39 pm

    Tony obviously can’t see the distinction between ” ludicrously improbable”, which I did type, and “impossible”, which I didn’t.

  12. November 7, 2014 5:44 pm

    ‘Tony obviously can’t see the distinction between ” ludicrously improbable”, which I did type, and “impossible”, which I didn’t.’

    Of course I can see the distinction. I was going by your previous emphatic statements. I’ll take on board your change in position.

  13. November 7, 2014 5:51 pm

    It’s not a change in position at all…

    Ludicrously improbable as to be negligible. You could no more disprove leprechauns than I can disprove god.

    It’s a philosophical statement, I suppose.

    Still, all of my previous opinions stand…and you utterly missed the point of the first comment I made on this thread.

  14. November 7, 2014 5:53 pm

    “Still, all of my previous opinions stand…and you utterly missed the point of the first comment I made on this thread.”

    Yeah, probably.

  15. November 7, 2014 5:54 pm

    Go on then, prove leprechauns don’t exist!

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2014 5:56 pm

    Tony obviously can’t see the distinction between ” ludicrously improbable”, which I did type, and “impossible”, which I didn’t.

    LOL! @ Toillette! And ToSY … I’ll take on board your change in position.

    ToSY … Toillette is an atheist and I’m agnostic (although some don’t understand the difference) … you’re an agnostic …

  17. November 7, 2014 5:57 pm

    “ludicrously improbable”

    and ridiculously unbelievable…

    I mean seriously, only people who are either fucked in the head, incredibly naive, or just not that bright would believe in such unadulterated bullshit, but instead the pedlars of such bullshit get given tax-exempt status.

    IT’S MADNESS!

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2014 5:57 pm

    Toillette, you KNOW that there cannot be a god?

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2014 6:00 pm

    … the pedlars of such bullshit get given tax-exempt status.

    Grrrrrr ….

  20. November 7, 2014 6:00 pm

    “Go on then, prove leprechauns don’t exist!”

    Actually, I think they do. Begorrah!

  21. November 7, 2014 6:05 pm

    “… the pedlars of such bullshit get given tax-exempt status.
    Grrrrrr ….”

    Hmmm. You sound angry about that, TB.

    Have you stopped to consider the schools, hospitals, and charities they run? In fact, if you insisted they paid tax, their deductions (expenses) would likely far outweigh any income they receive (provided they didn’t sell any property). They’d probably end up getting tax credits.

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2014 6:17 pm

    Why the G20 is absolutely BS and an expensive junket of nonsense, and talkfest for incompetent word leaders …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/g20-2014-what-its-about-whos-coming-and-who-we-want-to-impress-in-brisbane/story-e6frflo9-1227116021249

  23. TB Queensland permalink
    November 7, 2014 6:24 pm

    Have you stopped to consider the schools, hospitals, and charities they run? In fact, if you insisted they paid tax, their deductions (expenses) would likely far outweigh any income they receive (provided they didn’t sell any property). They’d probably end up getting tax credits.

    Schools? For organised religions to peddle their wares … the funds deprive state schools now overrun (locally at least) with christian chaplains anyway.

    Hospitals … all private and funded by health funds … duh!

    Charities … that have been proven to keep up to 90% for “admin” purposes …

    TAX the deceitful bastards … you are defending … so you are a believer, ToSY … can’t help yerself … like Wally … and, sb …

    Funny how Toillette, sreb, KL, and I can say what we are … but you obfuscate and defend …

    All the “private” (read religious) schools in my area have buses with their names plastered all over them … I don’t believe but my taxes pay for that!

    If they get credits … so be it!

  24. November 7, 2014 6:25 pm

    “Funny how Toillette, sreb, KL, and I can say what we are … but you obfuscate and defend …”

    Go team!

  25. November 7, 2014 6:26 pm

    “Have you stopped to consider the schools, hospitals, and charities they run?”

    Let’s stop to consider…

    1. Schools: you mean the indoctrination centres? Don’t they already charge parents school fees for those?

    2. Hospitals. Again privately funded by the patients and/or the patients’ private health funds..

    3. Charities. The charities like St Vincents and Salvation Army are self-serving. The money raised goes back to the religious institutions they represent.

  26. November 7, 2014 6:33 pm

    “1. Schools: you mean the indoctrination centres? Don’t they already charge parents school fees for those?”

    Yes, and yes. In other words, those parents are paying tax and fees. Where’s the problem?

  27. November 7, 2014 6:34 pm

    “2. Hospitals. Again privately funded by the patients and/or the patients’ private health funds..”

    So not a burden on the tax system, then? Next.

  28. November 7, 2014 6:35 pm

    “3. Charities. The charities like St Vincents and Salvation Army are self-serving. The money raised goes back to the religious institutions they represent.”

    I agree with that. We should eliminate all charities and NGOs. Parasites!

  29. November 7, 2014 6:44 pm

    So the hospitals and schools are self funding.

    Why should churches be exempt from paying taxes on the revenue they reap in through donations, sales of merchandise, venue hire and other income?

  30. November 7, 2014 6:47 pm

    “Why should churches be exempt from paying taxes on the revenue they reap in through donations, sales of merchandise, venue hire and other income?”

    Okay, tax them on those, but I still think you’ll find their expenses would exceed their income. (But you’d hav’ta ask Wally.)

  31. November 7, 2014 7:07 pm

    “I still think you’ll find their expenses would exceed their income.”

    I doubt that very much.

  32. November 7, 2014 8:18 pm

    Actually I take that back. Category 2 more like…

  33. November 7, 2014 8:23 pm

    I was gonna suggest you’re a number two, but ya beat me to it.

    I’m either a three of a five.

  34. November 7, 2014 8:23 pm

    *or

  35. November 7, 2014 8:43 pm

    True Detective – Rust Cohle talks about Religion

  36. November 7, 2014 9:16 pm

    Don`t forget, 1-dog-clubs export m/billions back to `head-office`,
    2-dog-club education sups from the public education trough,
    3-dog-club `health` sups from the public health trough,
    4-many dog-clubs also own businesses,
    5- Tinfoil`osy is up to `usual` standard

  37. November 7, 2014 9:21 pm

    #bagzofstoopid
    #makemymoron
    #makesstuffup

  38. November 7, 2014 9:23 pm

    ”””you KNOW that there cannot be a god?”””

    in the way dog-clubs `claim`, yep

  39. November 7, 2014 9:53 pm

    Wow! Convincing point of view ya`got there Tinfoil`osy.
    Evidence Free. Just like`ya `beliefs`.

  40. November 7, 2014 10:06 pm

  41. November 7, 2014 10:16 pm

    I’m with you there… make churches user pay…. watch it become as popular as ebola…
    Crime dont pay apparently …why should religion?

  42. November 7, 2014 10:57 pm

  43. November 7, 2014 11:03 pm


  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2014 11:07 pm

    Yep, close the private hospitals and leave it to the public sector!!

    A clear way to a great health system.

  45. November 7, 2014 11:22 pm

    Whoops wrong thread..blasphemy

  46. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 7, 2014 11:26 pm

    * Old school, old dude

    (double vent)

  47. ironicman permalink
    November 8, 2014 6:35 am

    The reason government continues to subsidise private schools is because taking over the whole system would be a huge financial impost and the same goes for the private hospitals.

    In China they are developing a private health care system and it has proved very popular amongst the emerging middle class.

  48. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2014 10:02 am

    The reason government continues to subsidise private schools is because taking over the whole system would be a huge financial impost and the same goes for the private hospitals.

    Obviously, if the numbers taken by the private institutions were simply dumped onto the public system now, the system would buckle. But, if the money provided already to private institutions was all funneled instead into public services, then, given a certain amount of time(??), all individuals could be catered for at a lower cost than what is being done now.

    Currently, public institutions have an onus on them of taking and providing for all and anyone, which obviously requires a higher level of funding. Private institutions are able to pick and choose their clientele, which means they are able to select those who will be cheaper to support. Since public institutions already carry this burden, taking on any newcomers will only reduce their average costs per individual, therefore reducing the overall costs for the public sector

    By splitting the funding as they currently do, the Government loses it’s edge on the “economies of scale”. Putting all public fund into public schools will only increase the “economies of scale” model, therefore reducing the overall costs for the public sector

    Additionally, by providing funds to an already existing ‘private’ enterprise who is often able to survive without those funds, the government is in effect creating an unbalanced market force in the limited resources available to that enterprise, which forces up costs of those resources, additional costs which the public system must now pay on top of as well in order to obtain. If you were to remove this unbalance in the market , you would therefore be reducing the overall costs for the public sector.

    Finally, using the term “choice’ in the allocation of public funds is a corruption of the use of public funds. Public funds are based on need, not ‘choice’.

  49. November 8, 2014 2:28 pm

    Teabags, Team-cheerers, Politicians, Corporations, Dog-clubs, Economy.

    This sums-up the lot of`em.

  50. November 8, 2014 2:35 pm

    heads-up TB (grubs at it again)

    ”””””””””””Sensitive Department of Defence documents are being regularly destroyed by defence bureaucrats, with erased files including abuse scandals at Duntroon, “chemical and biological warfare”, and “treatment of Indonesians captured in Malaysia (in 1964-65)”.

    Historians warn a regime that allows document to be destroyed and fails to make them easily available to researchers threatens to cover up important activities by Defence that should be revealed when documents are opened to the public after 27 years.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/department-of-defence-destroying-and-hiding-sensitive-documents-20141107-11htgy.html#ixzz3IQnjdWQU
    ”””””””””””””””””

  51. Meta permalink
    November 8, 2014 2:48 pm

    (Being more inclusive…

    …does seem ideal.)

  52. ironicman permalink
    November 8, 2014 3:04 pm

    Thanx TR, its a complex issue. The dual education and health systems will continue as they are because that is what most Australians prefer.

    Freedom of choice keeps the masses happy.

  53. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2014 3:24 pm

    as they are because that is what most Australians prefer.

    Well, with around 30% of students in private, and the remaining in public, that’s a pretty broad statement.

    Not a surprising one from you though.

    And it is only that high because so many parents have fallen for this ‘entitlement’ of education the libs ‘aspire’ to (but can never deliver on)

  54. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2014 4:12 pm

    I think many parents choose private schools because they have some sense of connection with (or influence over) the teaching standards.

    Public education is a bureaucracy and schools have no real (and certainly no formal) connection with the key stakeholders – parents and students. The first step in getting credibility into the state system is making principals and teachers more accountable to their actual customers.

  55. Tom R permalink
    November 8, 2014 4:25 pm

    schools have no real (and certainly no formal) connection with the key stakeholders – parents and students.

    I’m assuming by that statement that you have had no experience whatsoever with a student in a public school then yomm.

  56. Meta permalink
    November 8, 2014 4:34 pm

    (Yes; that’s why it’s important that we look to a marketed Anglo-subset of the West when formulating education reforms, content and funding; just ignore the silly Scandinavian Socialists and the confusing Confucian Communists leading the standard performance tables across-the-board, and continuing to increase the area-under-curve yield, economy- and society- and nation-wide, in a competitive, poly-sectoral, global economy; and, better yet, continue to (inter)connect with educators generally via the non-bureaucratic utopias of local charter-boards, with customized hiring, firing, and pay-measures, to accord them all the work-a-day regard and broad social respect which top-class, highly-educated, well-paid, well-resourced, effectively-enabled professional experts deserve from key stake-holders.)

  57. November 8, 2014 5:33 pm

    ””’credibility into the state system is making principals and teachers more accountable to””’

    on the flip-side, how about parents of unruly little bastards be `accountable` to community and `state-system` by disciplining their little monsters and taking responsibility for them, instead of using `school` as a baby-sitter service.?

    (yes, well aware of pinko beatings of don`t smack the little monsters, but some of`em DO need it)

  58. November 8, 2014 5:36 pm

    #Doh (yes, well aware of pinko BLEATings of don`t smack the little monsters, but some of`em DO need it)

  59. November 8, 2014 5:48 pm

    (For Certain;

    ”””””””””the tertiary and quaternary sectors are the largest part of the UK economy, employing 76% of the workforce”””””””’

    Which will equate to 4% of the population.?) #teabag-talk
    .
    (Likewise, For Certain; 100% of `mine-truck` drivers are employed in teh-mining industry, which only employs 1.2%(and-falling) of the population.)

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2014 7:36 pm

    No, while I’m a product of the state system, I wouldn’t impose that on my kids.

    Exactly who are teachers and principals accountable to?
    ______

  61. ironicman permalink
    November 8, 2014 7:54 pm

    ‘Well, with around 30% of students in private, and the remaining in public, that’s a pretty broad statement.’

    Good point, I should have said its what the electorate prefers.

  62. ironicman permalink
    November 8, 2014 7:56 pm

    ‘confusing Confucian Communists’

    ** chuckle

  63. November 8, 2014 8:04 pm

    ””while I’m a product of the state system””

    #you`re a `product` alright
    ____________________

    one for dumpty

    delusional`s in `mexico` too

  64. November 8, 2014 8:08 pm

    ””’And while Luxembourg is arguably the world’s biggest tax haven, it represents only a sliver of the global tax avoidance game.

    By their very nature, calculating the scale of secret tax arrangements is near impossible, but some guesstimates posit that wealth equivalent to almost 10 per cent of global GDP – or about $US8 trillion – is squirrelled away in tax havens.

    Others say the figure is closer to $US20 trillion.””'(#from-tweet)

  65. ironicman permalink
    November 8, 2014 9:13 pm

    The Mexicans were happy with the Chinese proposition, but with heavy pressure from the US they pulled out of the deal.

    More than likely they will go for an open tender, so that Germany, Japan and France can also put in a bid too, but China should still win.

  66. November 8, 2014 9:20 pm

    Exactly who are teachers and principals accountable to?

    Well in most private schools its Dog isn’t it?

    I met a lady who was curriculum specialist (very highly qualified and pragmatic) and she has been working on the curriculum in NSW in a senior capacity for six years….I will paraphrase her
    “This minister not only does not understand what he is doing, he is incapable of understanding the consequence of his actions because he is more interested in paying consultants of the same ideology for a predetermined outcome that he has dictated, over absorbing the peer reviewed data that was painstakingly collated and consistently reviewed, then written in consultation with all stakeholders” “Aside from the fact he is repugnant and creepy, I can handle that, he is an imbecile”

    My mates wife… highly qualified teacher, works in literacy and had written and implemented two programs, serves on working groups on migrant education and runs support groups for refugee families in relation to child education.

    “At least under Howard , he valued education over ideology…. this guy is just incompetent, bordering on stupid. He is at war with educators because he considers it too feminist and left. My boss has resigned from the Liberal party because of Pyne.

    this is the worst education minister in Australian history, he has to go
    He is non consultative, combatant, idealogue who is way out of his depth.

    Its simple… If someone chooses to sent their kid to a private school.. good luck to them…awesome. but its user pay and it should not be financed by the government…..simple.
    In the end the cream rises to the top….from the public system. A private school education will not make a dumb kid smart but it may get them the resources they need if they have a learning disability, something that was not afforded to me as a dyslexic in the public system

    Most of us with dyslexia in the public system are left to rot and that’s that… I am lucky but was not diagnosed till just before my 18th birthday. After school I excelled academically because I was taught to overcome my condition If I had those resources when I was 12 or 13 in the public system, It would have made an enormous difference on my life. .

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 8, 2014 9:52 pm

    That’s fine Ricky, there are plenty of dedicated teachers in the public sector, their dedication isn’t really in question, the leadership of the school system is.

    So does the principal report of a “District Overlord” or something, and who do they report to, a “Regional Director??

    Where do the customers and users of the service actually fit in?

    …nowhere, and that is the basic problem with the state education system.

  68. November 8, 2014 10:25 pm

    Tom thats a bit simplistic? its not a shop its an education system.. of course there is a hierarchical structure..
    Nowhere? I’m sorry but that is complete bullshit
    I don’t know about Mexico.. but there is equally a very comprehensive reporting and complaint regime in place here in NSW…..
    Please provide me with examples, is this your own experience?

    Most public schools are very reactive and consultative.. they are just resource poor.

  69. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 7:27 am

    …nowhere, and that is the basic problem with the state education system.

    You need to stop making shit up yomm, it is getting tiresome, and making you look more like an ignorant idiot than you previously have looked before (a big call, I’ll admit).

    You have clearly stated you have no first hand knowledge of how a public school runs, so I would encourage some research before mouthing off too much.

    All public schools have Parent Associations of some kind, normally working directly with the school to provide feedback, take votes or make proposals on various aspects of the schools running. They also have mechanisms available for interaction with the schools “overlords” (in the colloquial, we’ll call it the Education Department) in order for parents to have a conduit between parents and this “overlord”

    They probably have more success in “dictating” education policy than someone trying to tell a catlic school to stop preaching fairy tales to their kid on a daily basis.

    Here is a starting point for your research

    http://www.saaspc.org.au/

  70. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 8:06 am

    Why are we ‘going it alone’ with our response to climate change?

    More than $2.8bn has been pledged to the fund so far – including $1bn by France and almost $1bn by Germany. More pledges are expected at a special conference in Berlin on 20 November. The UK has said it will make a “strong” contribution at that meeting.

    It is understood the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, which leads Australia’s negotiating position, is considering whether Australia should make a pledge.

    Asked about the fund before last year’s UN meeting, the prime minister said “we’re not going to be making any contributions to that”. It was reported that at one of its first cabinet meetings the Abbott government decided it would make no contributions to a fund that was described as “socialism masquerading as environmentalism”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/07/g20-australia-resists-international-call-supporting-climate-change-fund

    The libs and the media ran the line that we were ‘going it alone’ with a Carbon Price. That turned out to be complete and utter bullshit. But now we are ‘going it alone’ with our determination to do SFA!

  71. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2014 8:39 am

    I see.

    Do the state education departments have a mandated role for parents associations, beyond being a suggestion box, a fund raiser and maybe arranging the volunteers on athletics days?

    How are schools actually accountable to anyone outside the bureaucracy?

    With a third of all parents (and increasing) shunning a free system and choosing to cough up their own cash to educate their kids, it seems pointless for anyone to argue that the only problem is lack of funds.

    Parent groups should participate in appointments and promotion of teachers, in providing formal performance assessment and reviewing and approving the policies that apply in a school.

    Is there a rational argument against that- beyond teachers not trusting parents?

  72. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 9:06 am

    Do the private education departments have a mandated role for parents associations, beyond being a suggestion box, a fund raiser and maybe arranging the volunteers on athletics days?

    How are private schools actually accountable to anyone outside the bureaucracy?

    With a third of all parents (and increasing) shunning a free system

    fucking free?? Educate yourself yomm!

    it seems pointless for anyone to argue that the only problem is lack of funds.

    As pointless as arguing with someone who is totally lacking in any knowledge of what they are arguing about?

    beyond teachers not trusting parents?

    I don’t trust parents. And I’m one!

  73. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 9:20 am

    I also note you don’t appear to disagree with my points above, which I’ll take as acceptance of them 😉

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/11/07/rostrum-blasphemy-edition/#comment-82069

  74. November 9, 2014 9:40 am

    With a third of all parents (and increasing) shunning a free system

    Its actually Falling not increasing

    Parent groups should participate in appointments and promotion of teachers, in providing formal performance assessment and reviewing and approving the policies that apply in a school.

    Interesting point… does this happen in private schools? I think not.
    Do you tell your doctor how to treat your kid? Maybe we should have the terrograph poll and let the readers run the country?

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2014 12:19 pm

    Parents get to choose the private school that reflects their general orientation. Parents in the public system don’t have a choice, they’re corralled into the local school. That’s why participation in policy and selection is more important.

    Re doctors, if you don’t think the medical treatment you’re receiving is appropriate, there are no barriers to changing (in the cities). This is not true of public education.

    So what’s the problem exactly with giving more say to parents about how their kids are educated (other than teachers being wary of parents)?

  76. November 9, 2014 12:42 pm

    People do have say.. and they have choice…

    I’m sorry Tom we will agree to disagree because after speaking to two separate educators who are involved in curriculum, one at a senior bureaucratic level and one on the coalface…”lack of community consultation is as far from the truth as can be”

    And if you think for one second that private schools pay any more credence to the input of their “customers” because they pay fees… with the greatest respect you are being as delusional as egg.

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2014 12:51 pm

    It isn’t simply about the curriculum. Can anyone suggest why a parent representative shouldn’t be on a selection panel for the school principal? Or why parents shouldn’t review and approve school policies?

  78. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 12:52 pm

    they’re corralled into the local school.

    Really yomm, stop talking about things you have no fucking idea about.

    So what’s the problem exactly with giving more say to parents about how their kids are educated

    Nothing, if we have an abundance of money. But in a ‘budget emergency’? Waste comes to mind!

  79. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 2:04 pm

    Can anyone suggest why a parent representative shouldn’t be on a selection panel for the school principal?

    Something about conflict of interests spring to mind.

    I have wished it in the past, after seeing a fantastic Principal leave to be replaced by a mediocre one, but, that was in reality reactionist fluff, as many other parents I spoke too were of the other mind.

    Of course, if you want to send your child to your version of your own little fifedom, why the fuck should my tax dollars allow you to indulge in your own little fantasy?

  80. November 9, 2014 3:19 pm

    ”””Parent groups should participate in appointments and promotion of teachers, in providing formal performance assessment and reviewing and approving the policies”””

    and what `competency based metric` will those parents have to meet.?

    will being a corporate personal fluffer, or tinfoil cubicle dweller be qualification enough to interfere with `other` professional careers.?

    it has worked soooo well for manufacturing, l bet `nurses` love it too.

  81. November 9, 2014 3:27 pm

    abc24 now! clive is announcing puppies for vic! #go-clive 🙂

  82. November 9, 2014 3:30 pm

    abc24, pups do plenty of duopoly head-kicking, pay attention team-cheerers

  83. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 4:12 pm

    Mind you teabagz, it is not unheard of for parents groups to have got rid of teachers or even Principals, I recall a high profile here in Adelaide a year or two back.

    Turned out, however, that that was more a political power play (not from a political party, but from a group of parents who had their own personal grudges)

    The Principal had done a lot to improve a very disadvantaged school, but some parents were not happy with the discipline required to do this.

    It was a special case, and got more prominence than it should as the media (who loves bashing Labor here in SA, especially Channel 7) picked it up and ran. Turns out, they should have done their due diligence, instead o picking sides.

    The parents are not always right (as I alluded to above)

    And I am glad that even yomm, who has exposed himself to be totally ignorant on this topic, agrees that the limited resources of the Government is far better spent in a public system getting a better result for all rather than frittering valuable tax payers dollars away supplementing a coterie of populations personal eccentricities

  84. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 4:39 pm

    With a mind to frittering fortunes, and the desire by some to finance their personal foibles from collective taxes, this is perhaps not a good read

    Joe Hockey’s commitment at the National Press Club in 2012 that “we will achieve a surplus in our first year in office and we will achieve a surplus for every year of our first term” is long gone.

    It is a distant memory with the outlook for the budget deficit this year, and in the next two years, much wider under the stewardship of the treasurer than the one he inherited from the Labor government in September 2013. What’s more, the path to budget surplus is at least two years behind what Labor was budgeting for when it framed its policy outlook ahead of the 2013 election.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/07/rising-joblessness-falling-commodity-prices-trouble-joe-hockey

  85. November 9, 2014 4:43 pm

    ”””even yomm, who has exposed himself to be totally ignorant on this topic”””

    that` not exactly a `new` finding tho, is it

  86. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 4:49 pm

    I never said I was original teabagz 😉

    Just accurate 🙂

  87. November 9, 2014 5:02 pm

    ””””bagz, it is not unheard of for parents groups to have got rid of teachers or even Principals””””

    l wasn`t saying that.

    We already have Hr/recruitment know-nothings, fcuking-up many industries jobs, once folks get arse-fcuked enough to leave an industry, and start/re-start/re-start/re-start again, they very rarely return to original industry, like-wise, you won`t gain in education having know-nothing `parents` decide education careers, you will just rapidly lose in various ways. Just finding slippery weasel/management quotes is the usual hot-air from know-nothing tinfoil cubicle dwellers that can`t explain specifics. EG state-ed does X shit and private-ed does it like this, and much better. But you won`t be getting that from him.

  88. November 9, 2014 5:29 pm

    It isn’t simply about the curriculum. Can anyone suggest why a parent representative shouldn’t be on a selection panel for the school principal? Or why parents shouldn’t review and approve school policies?

    Granted on Curriculum not being the only criteria…

    Well they aren’t in private schools either Tom.. I see that fraught with danger… religion, politics ect… You don’t need a licence to breed a sprog… so due qualifications for suitability in that instance is a minefield….

    There is already a very rigorous selection process to advance to principal in place… gone are the days of rubber stamped seniority… there is a selection criteria, weighting, a review panel and appeal process…

    I’m interested in understanding why you think private schools give you better choice, it is my understanding they are far less consultative and quite dictatorial “old boys clubs” in my understanding. What empowers you about private schools.. give me examples of such choice, I am actually genuinely interested.

  89. November 9, 2014 5:36 pm

    abc24, pups do plenty of duopoly head-kicking, pay attention team-cheerers

    The sycophancy party.. puppies that chew on the bone and defecate all over the furnishings… Lambi and the brick with ears is working out a treat.. real democracy in action… what was her polling again? 0.09 or 1% of the voting electorate… 🙄

  90. November 9, 2014 5:57 pm

    abc24 said 16-new puppies,

    if victoria is lucky, they will be cocking their leg all over the victoria duopoly

  91. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2014 6:01 pm

    The difference with Tom R and RIcky is that they’re entirely capable of articulating a lucid and interesting point of view.

    Teabagz isn’t.

  92. November 9, 2014 6:13 pm

    ”””’what was her polling again? 0.09 or 1% of”””

    spoken like a true team-cheerer and rushes to teh-polls, even if poll watching has chewed thru 2-and probably-3 of your own team-leaders, yes, l say probably 3-team-leaders, as shortmen won`t be winning over the voters with his form,

    and Lambie is at least fighting for people she knows something about, and has had skin in the game, and is making mr-rabbit her `chew-toy`

    unlike joolya, kevin07, shortmen and nanny roxon, that think shoving the price of a pack of tobacco up to $50 bucks is appreciated by old codgers on the pension, will win them back, not according to old codgers l know, they don`t like nanny roxons nanny statism in their retirement and having to seek-out bootleg-baccy

  93. November 9, 2014 6:30 pm

    by the way team-cheerers, shoving the price of booze up didn`t help teabag-lite with the old codgers either, don`t be so sure mr-rabbit won`t slash beer`n`baccy taxes to win them over for next election, l know l would, if in mr-rabbits position

  94. Meta permalink
    November 9, 2014 7:30 pm

    (But now we are ‘going it alone’ with our determination to do SFA!

    No, not necessarily SFA per se; theoretically, we’ve been championing energy efficiency and (re)forestation since 1997, when we delayed Kyoto negotiations to obtain a special Australia clause before finally signing then not ratifying the ensuing protocol, as the golden path; which is why now we’re paying-off big air-fresheners with big incentives, trying to open up world-heritage-listed and national and state parks to commercial uses, delisting them where we can, and introducing legislations to facilitate legal protests against criminals and ecoterrorists masquerading as citizens and environmentalists. Or, something karma-imbuing like that.)

  95. November 9, 2014 7:40 pm

    (l Wonder; ls this the summer Teabags insisted we had to have.?)

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2014 8:15 pm

    Parent groups should participate in appointments and promotion of teachers, in providing formal performance assessment and reviewing and approving the policies that apply in a school.

    Like they do in private schools, you mean?************

    Fkn ignorant argument … you obviously have no knowledge of the despotic nature of Catholic Education (you know the alternative education system supported by The Abbott & The Acolytes)

    Silly and sillier …

    ********************platinum sarc alert!

  97. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2014 8:32 pm

    Parents in the public system don’t have a choice, they’re corralled into the local school. That’s why participation in policy and selection is more important.

    You mean like CHRISTIAN CHAPLAINS ONLY … no secular counsellors … duh!

    Playing with children’s minds is akin to playing with …. grrrrrrrrrrrr … I abhor ignorance (in the true sense of the meaning)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    abc24 said 16-new puppies,

    if victoria is lucky, they will be cocking their leg all over the victoria duopoly

    And we’ll have another 16 dickwits fkn over a system that needs a radical facelift!

    GO CLIVEY! PLEASE!

    they don`t like nanny roxons nanny statism in their retirement and having to seek-out bootleg-baccy

    Then I hope they seek out bootleg fkn hospitals too … TOBACCO KILLS! AND COSTS ALL OF US!

    I watched my “old” man slowly drown of emphysema – he literally gurgled to his death, slowly and painfully, over five years to make some fkn Robber Barons rich …

    Capitalism is great … but its killed more people than Stalin ever did (a few tories who used to comment here used Stalin as a measure of how bad his regime was – until we understand they ALL are were rooted!) … did I tell you I spent a couple of years with James Asbestos too?

    The price of “progress” is expensive … for the poor and ignorant …

  98. November 9, 2014 9:05 pm

    spoken like a true team-cheerer and rushes to teh-polls, nanny roxon

    yeah yeah…army pay bad bad..blah blah..

    So let me get this perfectly clear

    1 you think its fine for a low intellect fucktard like Jackie Lampshade to threaten the rest of Australia with little more than 22k voted bankrolled by Clive?

    2. You disapprove of plain packaging ? Bootleg backy Roxon Nanny state…?
    Well that speaks for itself really

  99. November 9, 2014 9:10 pm

    freedom.? choice.? democracy.? remember.? @TB

    legal product, like booze, and variety of over-counter pharma

  100. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 9, 2014 9:20 pm

    Diatribe from TB without making any point.

  101. November 9, 2014 9:24 pm

    “Capitalism is great … but its killed more people than Stalin ever did”

    Fair dinkum? You got a link for that?

  102. November 9, 2014 9:46 pm

  103. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 10:02 pm

    Diatribe from TB without making any point.

    Funny. The point was pretty obvious to me 😯

  104. Tom R permalink
    November 9, 2014 10:03 pm

    lol Ricky. Sad but true 😦

  105. November 9, 2014 10:56 pm

    Let`s recap,
    1-smoking is an un-healthy habit, like drugs and booze are,
    2-tobacco corporations, like most corporations are lying arse-holes,
    so as we agree on both 1+2, we don`t need to regurgitate them do we.? @TB @Team-cheerers
    .
    Going beyond 1+2 is `plain`(actually military green) packaging.
    lt is hailed by team-cheerers as a `gigantic` win, okay, fine, if that floats ya`boat. But as it is such a `win` maybe team-cheerers can explain why l find so many `colored` smoke packs on my daily walk/s. l used to find about 3or4 a week, usually on sat, sun, mondays mainly. Now it common for me to find `colored` packs any day, and usually 8or9 packs a week. l bet team-cheerers run from this.
    .
    2nd, Last week, old codger neighbor of meager pension bitterly complained to me about cost of everything going up, including his small and humble `luxury` of his tobacco being 50-bucks a pack. While telling me this in the supermarket(aldi) another `random` old codger standing nearby chipped-in with he`s glad aldi is selling the booze, and hopes they get into tobacco soon.
    .
    Smarter Team-cheerers would realize that punishing pensioners, when they are meant to be enjoying the twilight years of their life, won`t gain them votes for their team next time round.

  106. November 9, 2014 11:33 pm

    No lets recap… shall we

    Your incredible eventuality revelation of proof that Plain packaging isnt working is a walk
    Genius 🙄

    People pay more for smokes? $50? Good…
    Lets make it $200 IMHO

    the more smokers pay the more money for hospitals… fuck off.

    Oh the poor old smokers? oh well too late they will be dead soon… ..
    My heart bleeds 🙄

    next (generation)..

  107. TB Queensland permalink
    November 9, 2014 11:42 pm

    Diatribe from TB without making any point.

    Then this …

    “Capitalism is great … but its killed more people than Stalin ever did”

    Fair dinkum? You got a link for that?

    Hilarious …

  108. November 10, 2014 12:00 am

    ”””the more smokers pay the more money for hospitals”””

    Nope. Wrong. lt is gobbled-up(plus some) in Customs, Courts and the rest of law-enforcement.
    _____

    ”””Oh the poor old smokers? oh well too late they will be dead soon .. My heart bleeds”””

    Seems l recall you are pissed off at a teabag or two for similar `callousness` toward you Ricky, good to see`ya claiming the moral high-ground.
    _____

    ”””proof that Plain packaging isnt working is a walk”””

    No, not exactly. lt is more like evidence that the `plain`pack numbers will be dodgey/incomplete, most likely for the `team`in power at the time, and not reality-based, a bit like those Limited-News op-eds.
    _____

    lf your team misses the meat and potatoes of my posts like you have, it just may be one of those things the teabags can exploit(which they do so well) in ??2016?? and slide in again under the anti-nanny-state banner.

  109. November 10, 2014 1:53 am

    Seems l recall you are pissed off at a teabag or two for similar `callousness` toward you Ricky, good to see`ya claiming the moral high-ground.

    So you are equating me pointing out that people that the older generation of people that smoke will be dead soon with Hall wishing I was dead after my heart operation from a degenerative genetic disease?

    You have mental problems…
    Obviously you are a smoker…another stupid drug addicted burden on the health system through self imposed stupidity

    lf your team misses the meat and potatoes of my posts like you have, it just may be one of those things the teabags can exploit(which they do so well) in ??2016?? and slide in again under the anti-nanny-state banner.

    Hello ? what…Dont flatter yourself fucktard… Cheer squad? look up centrist in the dictionary wingnut 🙄

    and what’s with this name changing Schick? what’s with that? fucking imbecilic, its neither funny nor ironic….

  110. Walrus permalink
    November 10, 2014 9:58 am

    “Capitalism is great … but its killed more people than Stalin ever did ”

    I see the Stupid Comment Dial is currently turned up full blast at the moment

  111. Tom R permalink
    November 10, 2014 10:03 am

    I see the Stupid Comment Dial is currently turned up full blast at the moment

    It’s getting that it could almost become the new byline for the blog 😉

    I mean, with stuff like “headlocks’r’us” and “Principals by Popularity”, it’s kinda spiraling outta control

  112. Tom R permalink
    November 10, 2014 10:10 am

    With all this talk of principal hopping and the alleged power of ‘market forces’ to drive education outcomes, this is a very good article exposing the ideological drive by the current gubmint to send our schools (public, at least) backwards.

    Differences in ability and motivation will inevitably exist between children, but differences in results that flow from disadvantage are not.

    ………….

    If the Government had intended to fully implement the Gonski reforms there would have been no curriculum review.

    Setting up a review of a curriculum that is yet to be fully implemented was always going to be a distraction,
    ………..

    The Review is based on the extraordinary suggestion that poor performance in our schools can be blamed on a so called sub-standard, politically-biased curriculum being forced onto students by a shadowy clique of leftist academics and educators.

    No mention of the fact that 100,000 students with disability do not get the support they need in schools, of our class sizes and workloads (higher than the OECD average), or the fact that 40 per cent of secondary school maths classes are taught by unqualified teachers.

    These are all hard problems that can’t be solved by slogans, rhetoric or stunts.

    The Gonski Review set us on the path towards a fairer system, which would see all schools reach a minimum resource standard and give their students a better chance of reaching their full potential.

    But the Abbott Government has chosen to walk away from these issues, abandon the Gonski agreements with the states and territories and begin an insidious dismantling of the architecture behind the Gonski reforms.

    If it is allowed to get away with it, we could return to a funding system which exacerbates the resource gaps between schools and the achievement gaps between students.

    ………..

    Education Minister Christopher Pyne is on the record as saying he and Tony Abbott feel a “particular responsibility” for private schools that they don’t have for public schools. Where does that leave the majority of Australian children who attend public schools?

    In opposition the Abbott Government promised to increase the ‘disability loading’ which is paid to schools that educate students with a disability from 2015. This promise was abandoned on Budget Night, leaving over 100,000 students with disability without any funding at all.

    Minister Pyne is also conducting a review of the low-SES funding loading – a Gonski measure – which sees schools which educate high numbers of students from low-income families given extra funding to recognise the extra challenges they face.

    The problem is the review is invitation-only and conducted in secret, with the majority of organisations invited representing private schools, which educate a disproportionately low number of students from low-income families. There is no doubt this review will be used to water-down the loading and divert money from needy schools.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/11/07/barry-spurr-not-only-problem-pynes-curriculum-review

    yomm will particularly like it given the authors pedigree 😉

  113. Tom R permalink
    November 10, 2014 10:22 am

    Oh, forgot to add to the Stupid Comment Dial

    I see coloured packets!

    (from the science academy of Strolling)

  114. Tom R permalink
    November 10, 2014 10:25 am

    And another article on perhaps why so many people think yabot and his gubmint are such dicks.

    Unexpected decisions – a solitary woman in cabinet, no science ministry, and a retreat from the acclaimed Gonski system of school funding – came so thick and fast that commentator Annabel Crabb concluded within three months of Abbott becoming PM that he was leading “the Surprise Party”. Then came the extraordinary budget, with its wide-ranging cuts that made a mockery of his election promises.

    It was blatant, brazen and breathtaking – and still is. Abbott had declared during the campaign that he wanted “to be known as the Prime Minister who keeps commitments”. Remarkably, even after the unfair 2014 budget, he has maintained with shameless effrontery that keeping promises is a priority for his government.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abbotts-lost-credibility-no-surprises-no-excuses-20141107-11i82t.html#ixzz3IbZq5iS7

  115. Meta permalink
    November 10, 2014 1:29 pm

    (Good to learn that (re)insurance corporations may abandon their actuarial departments under the newly-dialled-in paradigm; I’m still not sure, though, that sundry uncommon laws and legislations touching upon tortious liabilities, life tables, degrees of harm unto death, and payout forms and quanta, will not require some further concentrated attentions to account for all the diffuse possibilities of Elysian catallaxy.)

  116. Tom R permalink
    November 10, 2014 2:48 pm

    The Prophet Rayza cuts into the yabot gubmint

  117. November 10, 2014 3:32 pm

    ‘Looks Like The Medical Establishment Was Wrong About Fat’

    Read more: http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/nutrition/why-experts-now-think-you-should-eat-more-fat-20141020#ixzz3IdYBmAZ7

  118. TB Queensland permalink
    November 10, 2014 3:41 pm

    “Capitalism is great … but its killed more people than Stalin ever did ”

    I see the Stupid Comment Dial is currently turned up full blast at the moment

    OK I expect an apology from ToM, who says he’s an expert in the field and Wally for the BS above … for the record Stalin is accused of murdering anywhere between 20 and 60 MILLION people …

    And he was quite literally cruellest and most vicious paranoid dictator the world has ever seen …

    Remember that 60 million deaths … over 30 years diktatorship …

    Try this out for comparison …

    The enormous burden of poor working conditions

    The ILO estimates that some 2.3 million women and men around the world succumb to work-related accidents or diseases every year; this corresponds to over 6000 deaths every single day. Worldwide, there are around 340 million occupational accidents and 160 million victims of work-related illnesses annually. The ILO updates these estimates at intervals, and the updates indicate an increase of accidents and ill health.

    Member states of the ILO

    http://www.ilo.org/public/english/standards/relm/country.htm

    http://www.ilo.org/public/english/region/eurpro/moscow/areas/safety/statistic.htm

    Then think about all the people who have died in Iraq for oil … then …

    … asbestos related deaths and those to come over the next three or four generations … of family, friends and those who simply used and lived with asbestos …

    … then tobacco deaths and illness …

    … obesity …

    … legal drugs and medical “inserts” …

    And there are more …

    I suppose not many shiny arses die falling of their fkn chairs … hey?

    Capitalism is great … but its killed more people than Stalin ever did

  119. Walrus permalink
    November 10, 2014 3:57 pm

    Then think about all the people who have died in Iraq for oil … then …
    … asbestos related deaths and those to come over the next three or four generations … of family, friends and those who simply used and lived with asbestos … … then tobacco deaths and illness … … obesity … … legal drugs and medical “inserts” …

    And there are more …

    Well thank Dog there were no cigarettes or tobacco in Communist USSR or in Mao’s China. And what did they use to propel their various armies, navies and airforces …………………………..burning cow dung perhaps.

    I suppose a fisherman lost at sea is also a “victim” of capitalism ?

    Like I said before……………..TB’s Stupid Comment Dial has been turned to full volume.

  120. TB Queensland permalink
    November 10, 2014 4:00 pm

    ToSY, Just read that link and Lydia Bazzano summary (the researcher) … it just keeps changing … I had a cholesterol reading of 8 almost 40 years ago (genealogical) and most of what I couldn’t eat … I now can – and its “good” for me …

  121. TB Queensland permalink
    November 10, 2014 4:15 pm

    Like I said before……………..TB’s Stupid Comment Dial has been turned to full volume.

    Can anyone translate what Wally just said?

    (Communist USSR??) (burning cow dung??) (Mao???) … China where they’ll make anything for wannabe Robber Barons …

    Maybe more shiny arses should fall off their chairs … fisherfolk lost at sea “victims” … I’m afraid so …

    Worldwide, there are around 340 million occupational accidents and 160 million victims of work-related illnesses annually.

  122. Walrus permalink
    November 10, 2014 4:19 pm

    “”… legal drugs and medical “inserts” …””

    Like penicillin, heart valves, artificial limbs, pacemakers, cochlear implants, heart lung machines……….etc………….etc………………………….Oh no………………….you just like dwelling on mistakes so it can dovetail nicely with your stupid Economy/Society slogan

  123. Walrus permalink
    November 10, 2014 4:21 pm

    So a communist fisherman drowns at sea and therefore he’s a victim of Capitalism……………………………………..?

    You’ve really have lost the plot.

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    November 10, 2014 4:29 pm

    2014

    http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/Safety/

    The End

  125. ironicman permalink
    November 10, 2014 5:02 pm

    ‘Cane Toads are a good source of export product, there are huge interest from countries like China to export them, it could be a tangible export product.’

    ‘He said currently many parts of East Asia and France eat frogs and numbers are starting to dwindle so an export industry in cane toads would be vastly beneficial for Australia, because we has so many.

    ‘The toads are also in high demand in some countries where they extract the poison to be used in medical procedures.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827884/Cane-toads-menu-One-researcher-says-key-stopping-march-nation.html#ixzz3IduSvTe2
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  126. TB Queensland permalink
    November 10, 2014 5:42 pm

    Interested in shopping online in the USA? Try these guys …

    hopshopgo.com

    If you have a Paypal account it takes about 2 minutes …

  127. November 10, 2014 9:42 pm

    Cool site TB thanks 🙂

  128. November 10, 2014 10:01 pm

    ”””’They(#teabags) need to change the subject because it is hard to ignore the findings of the Gonski Review, which diagnosed inequality as the problem in our schools and more funding – targeted and accountable funding – as the solution.

    Differences in ability and motivation will inevitably exist between children, but differences in results that flow from disadvantage are not.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/11/07/barry-spurr-not-only-problem-pynes-curriculum-review
    ”””””””””””””””’

    They will be all smoke and mirrors, anything except acknowledging the `disadvantage` factor, that`s the `exceptionals` way. #teabags
    __________________

    sorry tomR, don`t have video/audio in my pc

  129. November 10, 2014 10:13 pm

    ””””Worldwide, there are around 340 million occupational accidents and 160 million victims of work-related illnesses annually.””#correct

    my bet is that doesn`t include corporate deaths of 1-consumers or 2-general-public, or 3-weapons-victims, keep counting TB, that`s only the tip of the iceberg

  130. TB Queensland permalink
    November 11, 2014 9:42 am

    Coffin lid …

    Leading cause of death, illness and impoverishment

    The tobacco epidemic is one of the biggest public health threats the world has ever faced, killing nearly six million people a year. More than five million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while more than 600 000 are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke. Approximately one person dies every six seconds due to tobacco, accounting for one in 10 adult deaths. Up to half of current users will eventually die of a tobacco-related disease.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs339/en/

    Currently about 125 million people in the world are exposed to asbestos at the workplace. In 2004, asbestos-related lung cancer, mesothelioma and asbestosis from occupational exposures resulted in 107,000 deaths and 1,523,000 Disability Adjusted Life Years (DALYs). In addition, several thousands of deaths can be attributed to other asbestos-related diseases, as well as to nonoccupational exposures to asbestos.

    http://www.who.int/ipcs/assessment/public_health/asbestos/en/

    The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to cancer was 553,251.5)

    http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf

    Arms manufacturers … I’d guess the majority are democracies supporting capitalism …

  131. November 11, 2014 6:31 pm

    I see no deity apologists have been able to prove that leprechauns don’t exist.

    How quaint…

  132. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:29 pm

    I rather like this … (I get so much shite in my in-box, its good to smear it somewhere where its appreciated) …

    ToSY will love it!

    A Little Poem Regarding Computer Spell Checkers…

    Eye halve a spelling chequer
    It came with my pea sea
    It plainly marques four my revue
    Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

    Eye strike a key and type a word
    And weight four it two say
    Weather eye am wrong oar write
    It shows me strait a weigh.

    As soon as a mist ache is maid
    It nose bee fore two long
    And eye can put the error rite
    Its rare lea ever wrong.

    Eye have run this poem threw it
    I am shore your pleased two no
    Its letter perfect awl the weigh
    My chequer tolled me sew.

  133. November 13, 2014 12:56 am

    I am shore your pleased two no

    Its letter perfect awl the weigh

    My chequer tolled me sew. #brilliant #yay-technology

  134. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2014 9:19 am

    THE royal commission into trade unions will examine fresh evidence of corruption inside the Transport Workers Union following revelations that two West Australian officials inappropriately spent $300,000 of members’ money on matching top-of-the-range utes.
    TWU branch secretary Tim Dawson revealed yesterday that his predecessor Rick Burton was one of the officials found to have used union funds for “inappropriate personal benefit”.

    The utes look like this, and if any union bogan had easy access to $150k belonging to union members, this is what they’d buy.

    http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/carsales/car/private/cp5188645092487596002.jpg?height=290&aspect=centered&width=440

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/transport-workers-union-chiefs-300000-ute-deal/story-e6frg6n6-1227121128186

  135. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 9:33 am

    examine fresh evidence of corruption

    I think they spelt “allegations” incorrectly. Again 😦

    So far (apart from Ms Jackson), just what “allegations” have really turned out to be “evidence”

    I recall putting a youtube up recently of the actual proceedings where all of the “evidence” put forward turned out to be thoroughly fabricated. It is recurring theme at this witch hunt. Allegations made but never corroborated. But presented as fact by youknowho

  136. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 10:04 am

    Well, it looks like not all of the laws Labor introduced to combat the multinationals rorting our tax system have been revoked … yet.

    Under laws enacted under the previous Labor government and retained under the Coalition, Tax Commissioner Chris Jordan was given powers to re­construct company transactions, and thereby increase tax bills.

    Business has long argued that such powers are too far-reaching and create uncertainty.

    But under a new ruling issued on Wednesday the Tax Office confirmed the power would be used against multinationals, especially ones with significant or complex debt arrangements.

    The ruling comes just days before G20 leaders meet in Brisbane to target tax avoidance by multinationals among other issues.

    Treasurer Joe Hockey said it was important to get international consensus on the plan to stop companies such as Apple from profit shifting.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/tax-office-to-begin-using-extraordinary-powers-to-pursue-multinationals-20141112-11l47t.html

    I don’t know, maybe I’m cynical, but the timing of this announcement with the G20 circus smacks of pure political posturing. Will it actually go ahead, or will it quietly be shelved like all of the other policies introduced by Labor have been once the G20 caravan has rolled on through?

    Watch this space.

    But will they?

  137. November 13, 2014 12:10 pm

    ””””””””””quietly be shelved like all of the other policies introduced by Labor have been once the G20 caravan has rolled on””’#correct

  138. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2014 2:20 pm

    The top countries ranked by some international survey –

    ”The survey asked people to rank 50 developed and developing countries based on 23 different characteristics including exports, governance, culture, people, tourism and immigration/investment.

    The Anholt-GfK Roper Nation Brands Index top 10
    1. Germany
    2. United States
    3. United Kingdom
    4. France
    5. Canada
    6. Japan
    7. Italy
    8. Switzerland
    9. Australia
    10. Sweden

    …the USA was still seen as number one in the areas of creativity, contemporary culture, and educational institutions, its role in global peace and security only ranks 19th out of 50 nations.

    Russia dropped three places to number 25 on the list overtaken by Argentina, China and Singapore.

    While everywhere is worth visiting, the only countries on that list I’d consider living in are France and Italy. How Germany come out on top is a mystery to me – I don’t like German wine or cuisine.

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/the-worlds-favourite-country-named/story-e6frfq80-1227122927343

  139. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2014 2:21 pm

    …and how the USA can be ranked 1 for creativity, culture and education, has me f**ked. I can only put that down to international ignorance.

  140. November 14, 2014 2:47 pm

    Germany is a toilet.

  141. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2014 3:25 pm

    Exactly, compare France and Germany –
    • Can Can vs Knee slapping dances
    • Beef bourguignon vs sauerkraut & sausage
    • Style vs lederhosen
    • A rich Burgundy red vs insipid Riesling
    • Cafes vs beer halls
    • Paris vs Frankfurt
    • Biarritz or the Riviera vs the North Sea

  142. November 14, 2014 6:07 pm

    “”Neoliberalism has brought out the worst in us

    An economic system that rewards psychopathic personality traits has changed our ethics and our personalities””

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/29/neoliberalism-economic-system-ethics-personality-psychopathicsthic

  143. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:09 pm

    While everywhere is worth visiting, the only countries on that list I’d consider living in are France and Italy. How Germany come out on top is a mystery to me – I don’t like German wine or cuisine.

    That last phrase is a killer … “I don’t like” … maybe others do … what’s wrong with a nice bit of sausage?

    🙄

    …and how the USA can be ranked 1 for creativity, culture and education, has me f**ked. I can only put that down to international ignorance.

    Now that IS an argument!

  144. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:15 pm

    sreb, I also found this on your link …dontcha luv the interwebby!

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/nov/13/whats-the-point-of-the-g20-anyway-video

  145. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:24 pm

    Cafes vs beer halls

    You had me at “Beer Halls”

    Up the ALES! :beer:

  146. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:25 pm

    whats-the-point-of-the-g20-anyway

    Where else will shirts get fronted?

  147. November 19, 2014 1:00 pm

  148. Meta permalink
    November 19, 2014 1:10 pm

    (A saccharine-sweet suggestion; perhaps in honour of Australia’s recent bilateral dialogues confirming strong and secure relationships with/in the Indo-Asio-Pacific:‘How to talk Australians’.)

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2014 1:29 pm

    Is that what, Kneel, actually looks like? Why he would advert so?

  150. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2014 3:43 pm

    It’s catching up!

  151. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 19, 2014 3:45 pm

    Meanwhile here in Dullsville (ie Brisbane) it’s dull, humid, boring and dull.

    How do people live here?

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2014 4:52 pm

    Wait for the storm heading your way, ToM … I’m assuming your in the CBD … real people live in the outer suburbs …

    I’d offer to pick you up … but you’d only complain about the car, the wine the food … the bill … 🙂

  153. November 19, 2014 5:21 pm

    “”I’m assuming your in the CBD … “”

    It’s “you’re” FFS.. 🙄

  154. November 19, 2014 5:24 pm

    “”How do people live here?””

    Dog knows. Presumably they occupy themselves comparing notes about the cost of peroxide hair bleach, what’s the best sunscreen, the best buys at Best & Lest etc..

    They certainly don’t talk about skin care or deodorant.

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2014 5:50 pm

    It’s “you’re” FFS..

    Its for fuck’s sake … diddums …

    Dog knows.

    For the same reason Mexicans talk about it here …

  156. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2014 5:51 pm

    Think about it!

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    November 19, 2014 5:53 pm

    Apologies, ToM, the storm’s a bit of a fizzer … must be because YOUR in town …

  158. Meta permalink
    November 20, 2014 3:04 am

    (And yet, part of me still likes to believe that it’s Campbell Newman’s redevelopments which are making all the difference to liveability in Brisvegas; if it’s not the subtle sophistication of neon-blue light-boxes beneath the regal lions leading off Town Hall’s adjacent King George Griddle, second only to St Peter’s for its world significance, then it’s the Cultural Precinct rising, regenerating, regurgitating to meet the relaxed-rezoning-for-extra-storeys-everywhere-is-the-promised-new-casino skyline.)

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2014 9:12 am

    “the storm’s a bit of a fizzer

    Why would anyone want to live in Brisbane? The only excitement is the weather.

    ”RESIDENTS of south east Queensland are cleaning up after one of the strongest, most devastating thunderstorms in years brought huge rainfall areas including Brisbane, in a period of just minutes.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/brisbane-severe-storms-and-flash-flooding-cause-chaos/story-fncynjr2-1227128722688

  160. November 20, 2014 9:56 am

    “Why would anyone want to live in Brisbane?”

    Well there’s….. “……..” and there’s “…………..”

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2014 10:21 am

    Why would anyone want to live in Brisbane?

    ‘Cause there’s no Mexicans live here … thank fkn christ (and the border patrol)

  162. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2014 10:31 am

    The only beach in Brisbane is a fake one.
    It’s humidity followed by floods.
    All you can eat buffets.
    Redneck dominated governments

  163. Walrus permalink
    November 20, 2014 4:27 pm

    Talk about ungrateful bastards

    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/stop-already-sir-bob-geldofs-band-aid-30-song-unpopular-among-africans-20141120-11qe5h.html

    By the way I know a percentage of the sales go to the “cause”but who gets the writers royalties.

    I often wondered where Bob Geldorf gets all his money from as I don’t think “” Ï Don’t Like Mondays”” is exactly topping iTunes at the moment

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2014 7:29 pm

    <iThe only beach in Brisbane is a fake one.
    It’s humidity followed by floods.
    All you can eat buffets.
    Redneck dominated governments.

    1. Not true typical ignorant Mexican

    2. er, Queensland is humid … its in the sub/ tropics … unlike Melbourne that reside in a temperate clime and changes season four times daily.

    3. If that’s what you like … ugh!

    4. Absolutely agree … the LNP is a big friend of the Federal government … hell bent on raping my state … and I suspect me if there was any money in it …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I often wondered where Bob Geldorf

    BTW its Geldof … just sayin’ …

    Bob Geldof’s a Fuckwit® who thinks everybody else is …

  165. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2014 7:29 pm

    iTunes … chortle …

  166. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2014 7:30 pm

    TB, please note:

    Snippets: Some Examples of Bad Writing for Your Amusement and Horror

    http://www.d.umn.edu/~schilton/Courses/Snippets.html

  167. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2014 7:32 pm

    TB, for your information, this isn’t a beach!!

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2014 8:02 pm

    Thanks for the link … ToM …. you have a point? Please note? What?

    TB, for your information, this isn’t a beach!!

    ToM, I know … only a Mexican would think it could be … 😯

  169. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2014 8:24 pm

    Nudgee “Beach”, Brisbane!!

  170. November 20, 2014 8:49 pm

    What a shitstain on the face of Earth.

    Demographic carpet bombing is essential.

  171. TB Queensland permalink
    November 20, 2014 9:47 pm

    Not somewhere I’d go to … but might appeal to a Mexican …

  172. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 20, 2014 10:44 pm

    The glorious coastal scenery around Brisbane!!

    https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/71044067

  173. November 21, 2014 1:01 am

    MMmmm beautiful Tempe beach on the tropical Cooks riviera

  174. Walrus permalink
    November 21, 2014 9:12 am

    Ricky

    You would have heard of Scultures By The Sea…………..I think that’s Sculptures By The River ……………………….is it not ?

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2014 10:13 am

    ToM … while you were at Nudgee beach I hope you visited the Waste and Recycle Station … right up your ally … and next time, might I suggest a trip to Luggage Point … Melbourne still needs some help with its sewerage system – apparently …

  176. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2014 11:00 am

    TB, I’ve never been to a Brisbane “beach” because there aren’t any!! Just like this isn’t a Victorian “beach”

  177. November 21, 2014 1:14 pm

    You would have heard of Scultures By The Sea…………..I think that’s Sculptures By The River ……………………….is it not ?

    LOL….Walrus I’ve seen grant money come up with less interesting installations…. 🙂

  178. Walrus permalink
    November 21, 2014 1:28 pm

    Here’s a business idea Ricky

    Why don’t you set up another Marrickville coffee shop selling artisan bread sandwiches on the banks of the sunny Cooks River so your inner city latte sippers can sit back and ponder what that magnificent “”sculpture”” truly represents

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