The Ultimate Humiliation of the Abbott Govt: US and China reach Carbon Emissions Deal

“Yeah. I mean what’s so good about a cleaner environment anyway…?”

CO2 is not pollutant.

Where is egg?? He must be jumping at the bit to make a comment.

That’s so interesting.

I heard Shorten say that the agreement was an endorsement of the ALP’s policy!

So have they agreed on a carbon tax… or an ETS?

*under your rock

Whatever.

“Sorry, the race has been run, and Australia has just pulled a reverse Bradbury.”

That’s a relief. They can run the race of stupidity without us.

Has REb banned egg?

My main comment is if Labor is for it, i am against it.

My main comment is if Labor is for it, i am against it.

I think you meant “only” comment 😉

Labor have stated, as they have for several years, that their policy is an emissions trading scheme.

So China and USA are going to have an ETS!! Because if they’re not, it’s not exactly an endorsement of the ALP’s policy!!!

The only other alternative is some abatement, business encouragement, government regulation and the like, and that’s called direct action (apparently)

That’ll just entrench his unelectability.

tosy, 4u 😉

BILL Shorten has staked his prime ministerial ambitions on a pledge to resurrect carbon pricing, just hours after the unpopular carbon tax was finally put to the sword.

http://www.news.com.au/national/carbon-tax-gone-but-labor-leader-bill-shorten-vows-to-revive-it/story-fncynjr2-1226992713084

“BILL Shorten has staked his prime ministerial ambitions on a pledge to resurrect carbon pricing, just hours after the unpopular carbon tax was finally put to the sword.”

Oh well, he’s fucked then. Either he changes policy before the election, gets usurped by his own party, or loses the election. If you think he can win an election promising a carbon tax, your knowledge of politics is clouded by your obsessive apologetics for the Labor party. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. 😉

Hi Tom,

You’d be forgiven for getting whiplash if you were following the news on climate change today.

I was just about to update you on Labor’s announcement on the Renewable Energy Target when I got the news of an agreement between China and the US to take dramatic action to reduce carbon emissions.

It’s a huge announcement and one which gives me real hope that the world will act to prevent irreversible climate change.

With China and the United States representing around one-third of the global economy and over 40 per cent of global emissions, there will now be significant global momentum to deal with climate change. You can read the White House Statement here.

This news makes Tony Abbott’s refusal to deal with the issue at the G20 in Brisbane later this week all the more embarrassing and irresponsible.

More than that, it reveals Tony Abbott’s determination to take Australia backwards, to reverse our action on climate change, as a complete failure of leadership.

Labor has been desperately trying to drag the Abbott Government back to a position of bi-partisan support for the Renewable Energy Target.

The Renewable Energy Target has been driving investment in renewable energy. Under Labor, renewable energy jobs tripled, homes with rooftop solar went from 7,400 to 1.3 million and pollution levels declined.

But Tony Abbott wants to cut the Renewable Energy Target by 40 per cent and Labor won’t stand for that.

A reduction of the Renewable Energy Target by 40 per cent would cost jobs, stall investment and see Australia’s electricity prices and carbon pollution rise.

By 2013, Australia was rated one of the four most attractive places to invest in renewable energy, alongside China, the US and Germany.

The uncertainty caused by Tony Abbott reneging on his commitment to the Renewable Energy Target has already seen Australia to go backwards, to tenth in the world.

On top of that, Tony Abbott wants to abolish the Australian Renewable Energy Agency and the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.

Labor will fight for real action on climate change and a strong future for renewables in Australia. And I’m asking you to fight with me.

Thanks for standing with me,

Bill.

via my inbox 😉

(he hasn’t replied yet when I asked him if he would shirtfront yabot on this issue at the G20)

Maybe one or two of the “united” states
or more 😉
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2014/jun/06/the-us-carbon-trading-schemes-that-australias-prime-minister-cannot-see

Everybody already knew you got the daily talking-points.

Yea, but you’d assumed they came in via the electrodes in me head, didn’t ya 😉

(I’m not denying it either, #justsayin)

(ps, I also get em from the libs, but they appear to be mainly libberish, and even that is Labors fault 🙂 )

Perhaps el gordo/egg/ironicman is unwell. I hope not.

‘Unlike the free thinkers on the RIGHT side of politics … who are always out of “sync”*’

Yeah, no worries, TB, the VRWC is alive and well.

What a nasty tax that was …

We got a massive $6 something back, except that was more than swallowed up by other sundry charges and rises.

Yays

But I’m wondering why only that is detailed, nothing else?

What a nasty tax that was …

Price TB, what a nasty “Price” that was 😉

“What a nasty tax that was …”

They’re all nasty. The fewer and lower the better.

“Price TB, what a nasty “Price” that was ;)”

Rust Talking points never sleep(s).

Well, “Bill” wrote to me too (at 6.46pm), personally!!

Hi tomofmelbourne@gmail.com,
You’d be forgiven for getting whiplash if you were following the news on climate change today.
I was just about to update you on Labor’s announcement on the Renewable Energy Target when I got the news of an agreement between China and the US to take dramatic action to reduce carbon emissions.
It’s a huge announcement and one which gives me real hope that the world will act to prevent irreversible climate change.
With China and the United States representing around one-third of the global economy and over 40 per cent of global emissions, there will now be significant global momentum to deal with climate change. You can read the White House Statement here.
This news makes Tony Abbott’s refusal to deal with the issue at the G20 in Brisbane later this week all the more embarrassing and irresponsible.
More than that, it reveals Tony Abbott’s determination to take Australia backwards, to reverse our action on climate change, as a complete failure of leadership.
Labor has been desperately trying to drag the Abbott Government back to a position of bi-partisan support for the Renewable Energy Target.
The Renewable Energy Target has been driving investment in renewable energy. Under Labor, renewable energy jobs tripled, homes with rooftop solar went from 7,400 to 1.3 million and pollution levels declined.
But Tony Abbott wants to cut the Renewable Energy Target by 40 per cent and Labor won’t stand for that.
A reduction of the Renewable Energy Target by 40 per cent would cost jobs, stall investment and see Australia’s electricity prices and carbon pollution rise.
By 2013, Australia was rated one of the four most attractive places to invest in renewable energy, alongside China, the US and Germany.
The uncertainty caused by Tony Abbott reneging on his commitment to the Renewable Energy Target has already seen Australia to go backwards, to tenth in the world.
On top of that, Tony Abbott wants to abolish the Australian Renewable Energy Agency and the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.
Labor will fight for real action on climate change and a strong future for renewables in Australia. And I’m asking you to fight with me.
Thanks for standing with me,
Bill.

“Another selfish WCP.”

You wouldn’t fucking know, you arrogant cunt.

”””That’ll just entrench his unelectability.”””
Who says he`s not already `entrenched` Tinfoil`osy.?
#shortmen #too.late
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(All Hail Nanny Roxon.!!!)

So, some journos have noticed that it is only now that we are in fact “going it alone”. Slowly but implacably reality is filtering through their stoned walls

In the US, China and the EU the ambition of climate policy is growing.

In Australia it just keeps getting smaller. We have been shouting so long and so loudly about how we had to avoid getting “ahead of the world”, hyperventilating about how a relatively modest carbon tax would end economic life as we knew it (even after it was introduced and it didn’t) that we seemed not to notice we were in fact being left behind.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/12/pressure-on-australia-to-slash-emissions-but-no-cost-effective-policy-to-get-us-there

And a special mention for yomm, who seems to be confusing what America is doing to what we are doing. Sorry yomm, nothing could be further from the truth

It is, as the US is demonstrating, possible to reduce emissions by means other than a carbon price. Tough regulations or carefully targeted and rigorously assessed government incentives can also do the job.

But Direct Action, as it stands, is unlikely to be a viable alternative and its costs will certainly become prohibitive as Australia is required to reduce its emissions further – as Malcolm Turnbull kept telling us and has been repeatedly borne out by modelling (done by third parties because the government hasn’t done any, preferring as Abbott said during the election campaign, to just “have a crack”).

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/12/pressure-on-australia-to-slash-emissions-but-no-cost-effective-policy-to-get-us-there

Of course, just because it is “possible to reduce emissions by means other than a carbon price” does not mean that an emissions trading scheme is not the best answer. It is widely accepted across a wide range of professions that an emissions trading scheme is the best way, just not the only way. It is also widely accepted across a wide range of professions that Direct Action is possibly the worst of all methods, most believing that it has no chance at all of succeeding in even a small reduction in emissions, but all accepting that it will be a windfall for the big emitters.. Or, as Lenore Taylor so succinctly puts it.

And so we find ourselves under extreme pressure to make much deeper cuts to emissions without any cost-effective policy to get us there. Not just up shit creek, but without a paddle.

Someone should tell Lenore that Obama’s “deal” with China is purely symbolic, and has no legal force. It will be up to future congresses and presidents whether any of this occurs at all. As for China’s “commitment”, they’re saying they’ll “peak” their carbon emissions by 2030. That is, business as usual for another 16 years.

Shit creek indeed.

Reuters:

“Nov 12 (Reuters) – The joint statement by the United States and China on climate change, issued on Wednesday, is more important for its political and diplomatic symbolism than any practical effect it might have in reducing emissions.

“The statement reiterates policies China and the United States have been developing on their own and contains no new binding limits on greenhouse emissions…

“The joint announcement employs language very carefully. Throughout, the operative word is “intend” or “intention”, which makes clear the statement is not meant to create any new obligations.

“China’s 2030 emissions target is set in terms of a date but says nothing about the level at which emissions will peak.

“China’s target for primary energy consumption is expressed in terms of “non-fossil fuels”, which means a big increase in nuclear power as well as wind, solar and hydro…

“The Republican Party will control both chambers of the U.S. Congress from January 2015. Congressional Republicans are hostile to large parts of the president’s policies on climate and energy, especially his administration’s implementation of emissions curbs through regulatory action rather than legislation.

“Republican lawmakers have pledged to roll back some of the regulatory actions that the administration has taken over the last four years through the Environmental Protection Agency…

“By adopting emissions targets on its own terms, China can influence negotiations leading up to the 2015 climate summit and head off pressure for tougher targets.

“China can point to its self-adopted targets as well as the principle of “common and differentiated responsibilities” to block any attempt to erect carbon tariffs or other border adjustment measures by the United States and the European Union to protect energy-intensive trade-exposed industries.

“Finally, the 2030 target should be fairly easy to meet. By then, the most manufacturing-intensive phase of China’s development will be complete and hundreds of millions more people will have been lifted into the middle class. Emissions are likely to stabilise by that date even without the joint statement.

“For China, climate action remains subordinate to the primary goals of economic development and political and social stability. The joint statement enshrines China’s right to tackle climate change in its own way and at its own pace.”

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/11/12/climatechange-china-usa-kemp-idUKL6N0T22IU20141112

Even that article touches on hte most important aspect (imo) of hte deal tosy

Crucially, the joint statement reaffirms “the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities”, which has been the sticking point in international negotiations since the Kyoto Protocol in 1997.

This is not to be underestimated. The two largest emitters coming together and reaching a (non-binding) agreement in hte lead up to (binding) agreements is a huge step.

Meanwhile, we slip further and further behind in the new economy of energy production, tying ourselves to the last centuries method of coal fueled production.

These are not just platitudes, they are major stepping blocks in the path forward.

Gee, I wonder what happened to this prediction:

“China is considering setting itself a new target to stop increasing overall emissions by 2025, according to Lord Stern of Brentford. He said that consumption of coal in China, which is the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, could reach a peak before 2020, much earlier than previously predicted”. –Ben Webster, The Times, 25 September 2013

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/environment/article3878401.ece

Or, to put it another way, I think the fact that so many of the usual suspects are so desperate to beat up this announcement into something more important than it actually is, is an indication of their desperation.

Does that go hartcher, a well known liptick applicant for yabot

Guess who in 2008

“………………….generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth………….”

Slap thigh then ROFLMAO

The presence of Russian warships is not unprecedented, and has nothing to do with Abbott’s comments, however much the barrackers wish it were so.

“Peter Leahy is the director of the National Security Institute at the University of Canberra, and is a former chief of army.

“PETER LEAHY: Well, I think [the naval display] is a demonstration of power but I’d say it’s a less than subtle demonstration of power. I rather think it’s likely to be pre-planned and it’s more associated with the APEC meeting in Brisbane rather than the comments from the Prime Minister…We’ve seen this happen before off Singapore for an APEC meeting in 2009, we’ve seen it in a meeting off San Francisco in 2010. So it’s fairly routine. He’s the leader of a large power, he’s probably making sure of his own security concerns. It’s back up to back up.”

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2014/s4127416.htm

And what do you have to say about the precedents he cites?

“Sorry Walrus..did I just “shirtfront” you ”

Not really Ricky………………..you must remember this……………….

“I haven’t seen what she’s said, but let me say I support what it is she said,”

Cant wait to see him starting to campaign for a reintroduction of a Carbon Tax or alternatively turbo charge power price increases via an ETS.

Cant wait to see him starting to campaign for a reintroduction of a Carbon Tax

Yesterday was a pretty good beginning 😉

When will yabot finally confirm that he has renounced his dual citizenship?

””””””””””’Obama’s “deal” with China is purely symbolic, and has no legal force. It will be up to future congresses and presidents whether any of this occurs at all. As for China’s “commitment”, they’re saying they’ll “peak” their carbon emissions by 2030. That is, business as usual for another 16 years.””’#highly-likely #panto

l tend to agree with y`there Tinfoil`osy, obama won`t be doing `anything` the teabags don`t like from here on in. China, while of course it has problems, in many ways its ahead of washington and canberra.
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(All Hail Nanny Roxon..!!!)

“When will yabot finally confirm that he has renounced his dual citizenship?”

Gee, I wonder if he’s a secret Muslim, too?

#birther

l tend to agree with y`there Tinfoil`osy, obama won`t be doing `anything` the teabags don`t like from here on in

Of course, reality rarely bothers you does it teabagz 😉

Greenhouse gas emissions in the United States fell to their lowest level in 17 years in 2012, according to a new report from the Environmental Protection Agency.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527106/how-and-why-us-greenhouse-gas-emissions-are-falling/

think it is highly negligent and irresponsible to fly commercial aircraft over a hot battlefield.?

Probably the same sort of numbnuts who think it is a bad thing to try and stop people smoking.

”””it is a bad thing to try and stop people smoking.”””

now ya reduced to making shit up TomR, l`ve NEVER said that

l`ve NEVER said that

Oh, so your implications don’t mean shit then

Just more rabid ramblings with no meaning attached whatsoever

OK, I’ll go back to simply scrolling your inanities then, nannyteabag

“…………now ya reduced to making shit up TomR, l`ve NEVER said that”

Welcome to our world Teabagz…………….LOL

“Greenhouse gas emissions in the United States fell to their lowest level in 17 years in 2012, according to a new report from the Environmental Protection Agency. ”

Yeah………….and its because they are fracking for gas and using it for electricity use and now export the coal that they used to use to China. Thats one reason why the coal price is shit at the moment for high cost curve producers

”””He’s just got the shits because”””’#NOPE 🙂

”””he pays more for his nico smack and””’#WRONG

Better Stick to`ya photoshop finger-painting ricky if all ya`going to do is be wrong, that`s kneels job.!

l`ve only ever been a social smoker, probably only ever bought smokes/baccy a dozen times, last time l bought smokes, they were less than 5-bucks, baccy around 8-bucks, fcuking ages ago. The last pack of smokes l had, found`em on the bus-shelter seat about 4-months ago, colored pack, not green. A few days later a mate came over, we had a couple of home-brews and a couple of smokes out of free/found pack. A few days later another mate came over, we had a coffee and a smoke, he was nearly out of smokes, told him to take`em. Since then, probably had about 8-smokes.

Unfortunately you nanny-roxon team-cheerers aint bright enough to realize the difference between 1-calling horse-shit on the mindless-chanting of dodgey `quitting`numbers regurgitated unchallenged by teabag-media, and, 2-mindless team-cheering.

Welcome to our world Teabagz…………….LOL

I think “our world” includes spelling & grammar, rationality, humour and some insight. I’ve seen no evidence that Teabagz occupies anything like “our world”

On the other hand, Tom R has the majority of those characteristics. Teabagz is a F**KWIT whereas Tom R is capable of providing some challenge.

(Presumably, transborder leakages of product, which dodge requisite customs and excise duties, creating grey- and black-markets, are about the last thing which horizontally- and vertically-integrated multinational conglomerates operating in, through, and across plethora territories and jurisdictions would want, because that would do little for the bottom-line(s), anyhow or anywhere.)

“…BTW, Lenore Taylor is a(n) journalactivist…”

Could you cite some examples of her ‘activism’ ?

When you’re so unreceptive to anything other than right wing propaganda, I can see how straight reporting might look like activism.

“True anti-AGW zealots would be disgusted with Abbott’s lip service to doing ‘something’”

Correct.

”””nanny states is just what the mindless cheerleaders in ltdnews do”””

# Fascinating TomR. Quite frankly l couldn`t give fcuk what Limited-News do, l never go to their site/s off my own bat, only follow links other folks drop, (eg-TB-you)

”””mindless cheerleaders in ltdnews do”””#correct-(as-above)

Having said that, l acknowledge Limited-News, Teabags, even kneel can manage to be reasonably correct from time to time.

(Much in the way that Even broken clocks manage to be correct twice a day.)

(and over-looked by team-cheerers)
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”””Hi. my name is TB and I am an ex-smoker”””
Still stuck in that groove.? #senior-moments.?

(For Certain; just as horizontally and vertically-integrated multinational conglomerates bottom-line(s) `shrink` or `un-shrink` during wore-on-drugs `ice` production in shaded-markets; we can stick with the (non)facts as presented by the actual (non)figures produced at the Australian Burro of Surveys #ABS and their solid (un)employment surveys. lt is at least policy with the best for our country in mind, and, anything that gets up the ass of the big bacci companies is a win in my book.)

(Speaking quasi-mock-seriously of the war(s)-on-whatever(s), and of the cultivated hand-in-glove of big whole-salers’ and governmental monopoly-makers’ (ad)mass market-gardens, the habitual stuff might not even be anything alike the original/traditional/ethnobotanical/ceremonial stuff.)

“”It looks like WAR!!””

And I bet our entire mighty fleet of Australian built Collins Class Submarines are stalking the Ruskie ships from great depths as we speak……… each one assigned to its own target……………. each one carefully adjusting the fire control formula for the rain of terror that our deluge of torpedoes will unleah upon those hammer and sickle waving cabbage munching vodka swilling Ruskies if they dare make one false move.

What’s that leaking sound I hear…………………………………..whats that hammering sound……………………….did someone say something about poor build quality and continual maintenance………?

””””””’What utter, selfish nonsense to perpetrate on a city … any city … how the fk does this help Brisbane …? Just more cost to taxpayers”””””””

Hah, on TV-newz last night, there was some biz-owners complaining bitterly that they had to close shop during the talkfest. #NotHappy

This seems about right.

“Don’t mean to Harp on the Bizarre.. but what the ?”

Hypothetically speaking……………where does one find an inflatable doll like that ?

If I wanted one that is ?

”””where does one find an inflatable doll like that ?”””

So blubblers, you have a boner for Joolee huh.?
(or are you asking for Tinfoil`osy`s benefit.?)

Ya wouldn’t find them up there tosy, too hot. Those things are Melbourne attire (even bogons from ‘lizbeth won’t go near them)

look at all those fcuking `we`s.

I blame all the beer

What `pressure`.?

Well, with the abolition of the Emissions Trading Scheme comes the death of Australian mining (I thought it was supposed to work the other way round?

8000 coal miners forced to take leave

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-business/8000-coal-miners-forced-to-take-leave-20141114-3kb1a.html

(Reuters) – India, the world’s third-largest buyer of overseas coal, may be able to stop imports of power-generating thermal coal in the next three years as state behemoth Coal India steps up production, Power and Coal Minister Piyush Goyal said on Wednesday.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/11/12/india-coal-imports-idINKCN0IW0FJ20141112

The last also relates to Tony’s post further back up the thread I think.

Does Lenor/editor really think mr-rabbit is under pressure.?

Dunno, you don’t think this puts his grubmint under pressure?

The huge potential impact of Chinese decarbonisation on Australian commodity exports shows once and for all the short-sighted folly of the Abbott government’s attempts to leave climate off the G20 agenda. Climate will be the defining trend of the global economy in coming decades. When Abbott and Hockey argue that the environment is somehow not an economic issue, they are recklessly jeopardising the future of Australian living standards.

https://newmatilda.com/2014/11/13/china-us-climate-deal-means-jig-abbotts-deniers

Good rebuttal Tony 😯

Back at ya 😉

Shit happens
(Last week's toon)
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Jason Chatfield (@Jason_Chatfield) November 11, 2014

“Good rebuttal Tony 😯 ”

Merely offering my opinion of that person’s opinion.

Yeah, no worries TB. Have you got an opinion on the question I asked you yesterday? You know, the one about the precedents for Russian warships shadowing their leader at various international meetings, which would debunk your argument that they are here because of Abbott’s comments.

https://theguttertrash.com/2014/11/12/the-ultimate-humiliation-of-the-abbott-govt-us-and-china-reach-carbon-emissions-deal/#comment-83033

Rocket scientists ≠ climate “scientists”

I think these are rocket surgeons …

“Don’t mean to Harp on the Bizarre.. but what the ?”
Hypothetically speaking……………where does one find an inflatable doll like that ?
If I wanted one that is ?

That shot was taken at Base Warehouse Alexandria apparently… hypothetically speaking 😯

Blob Spurtin 😆

…

Hey!

Wow Meta, just wow!

Did our minister for the people who weren’t really here before us, apparently, just say this??

It’s hard to think that back in 1788 [Sydney] was nothing but bush and that the marines and the convicts and sailors … must have thought they had come almost to the moon.

So, the indigenous population living in what was to become Sydney are now classified as nothing but bush ?

The disrespect and ignorance of this tool is limitless really isn’t it. 😡

How I hang my head in shame that such an ignorant and inept wanker got to be in charge of this country 😦

I will only believe an Australian govt believes in climate change when they stop exporting coal and natural gas.

I think people can get a little too sensitive about comments like “Sydney was just bush”

In terms of the physical landscape, that’s an entirely reasonable observation. Sydney has changed from being bush to an attractive harbour city, and making that observation really shouldn’t get anyone upset and certainly shouldn’t be seen as a slight on indigenous people.

and ToM’s not getting any younger…

Is that another ageist remark? reb .. 🙄

I thought they were reserved for TB 😉

“…I think Abbott could be more sensitive on occasions, as could everyone. But it seems almost demeaning to take offence every time someone is ever so slightly insensitive…”

A nation’s leader shouldn’t be insensitive, every remark should be measured and checked for any offence. That is why he gets paid the big bikkies and has so many media spinners on staff, to ensure he always says the right things on every occasion – it’s his fkn job!

I think it is deliberately done, it’s happened too many times not to be. He leads a party and a following of racist bigots (and bolt must be appeased), it is a calculated insult under cover of ‘insensitive’.

You look for any reason to excuse him.

I think it’s time to get less offended. It’s that simple, there are too many people constantly looking for new ways to perceive every comment as a slight.

Every city in Australasia, North America, South America (probably other than Cusco) was built on areas that were inhabited by indigenous people. In describing Manhattan as a developed and hugely populated city, I’m not sure I’d expect every politician to add the proviso that it was inhabited prior to the 1600s.

Qualifying every comment about development on most continents with ”but in saying this is a developed city/country, I’d like to pay my respects to the pre existing indigenous population…who were inhabitants for… and …. and …” (or something of a similar platitude)… would be a particularly stark example of pointless lip service at its worst.

A nation’s leader shouldn’t be insensitive, every remark should be measured and checked for any offence. That is why he gets paid the big bikkies and has so many media spinners on staff, to ensure he always says the right things on every occasion – it’s his fkn job!

I think it is deliberately done, it’s happened too many times not to be. He leads a party and a following of racist bigots (and bolt must be appeased), it is a calculated insult under cover of ‘insensitive’.

Wot AO said, with interest!

Except, I’m absolutely convinced it’s deliberately done.

➡ Tent City should just move on
➡ The First Australian were sent here by English Judges
➡ the First Fleet was the defining moment in the history of this continent
➡ the then unsettled or, um, scarcely settled, Great South Land

And this is our fucken minster for Aborigine’s 😯

Here’s a hint. Look at these two speeches, and, with the “minster for Aborigine’s” in mind, see if you can find a glaring differentiation.

http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2014-11-14/address-parliament-house-representatives-parliament-house

http://billshorten.com.au/remarks-welcoming-prime-minister-cameron

Perhaps there’s a reason for the Protocol for Recognising Traditional Owners. Is it just so the “minster for Aborigine’s” wouldn’t constantly forget about his direct constituents?

I was wrong, I not ashamed, I’m FUCKEN OUTRAGED!

As should be anyone who gives half a flying fuck about inclusiveness and fairness.

It’s no surprise that that isn’t this mob of shitfronters

“The Australian government has refused to commit to inclusive growth and does not acknowledge the impact of inequality on growth. Financial institutions and many other G20 governments do recognise the issue as a threat to growth and among them is next year’s host, Turkey,” said Oxfam spokeswoman Claire Spoors.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/13/g20-australia-brisbane-tax-avoidance-free-trade-energy-infrastructure

Ao, as above 😉

Here’s a hint. Look at these two speeches, and, with the “minster for Aborigine’s” in mind, see if you can find a glaring differentiation.

http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2014-11-14/address-parliament-house-representatives-parliament-house

http://billshorten.com.au/remarks-welcoming-prime-minister-cameron

“Except, I’m absolutely convinced it’s deliberately done.”

It does not happen TomR but i agree with you. Unlike other leaders who use speech writers, Abbott claims to write his own speeches. And he would know what he says may offend some people, maybe even lots of Aboriginal people even if what he said is true. But speaking the truth maybe more helpful than false comments.

Fact is Sydney Harbor was bushland when the First Fleet arrived.

“I AGREE!”

Well there is a first. And it happened on 15/11/2014.

Obama begins by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land and paying my respects elders, past and present

But yabot sees nothing but Bush, just yearnin’ fer a Rhode!

Well there is a first. And it happened on 15/11/2014.

Yep, mark the date. nil got a fact right 😉

listening intently and maybe learning.

Yep, listening to a cranky old man harp on about “that Harpy” who stole his lunch money ( ❤ ), and how business can become profitable simply by investing in chains and whips

“I can tell you here and no there are a lot of people who voted Liberal who are like me; centrist conservatives with a sense of social justice …”

You got a link for that?

Seriously though, Ricky. You’ve never said anything that would distinguish you from any other rusted-on Labor barracker, who would criticise anything and everything said or done by the “other” side”, no matter what.

Just admit it. Or photoshop it.

Whatever floats ya boat.

BTW, I think you mean ‘here and *now*’. 😉

Even yabots friends aren’t doing him favours.

And who’d have thunk, he even lied to us about Ebola. The depths yabot navigates makes even James Cameron nervous?

Australia pledged Ebola workers three weeks before telling public, David Cameron reveals

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-pledged-ebola-workers-three-weeks-before-telling-public-david-cameron-reveals-20141114-11n0a8.html#ixzz3J59UPOu3

And you would hope this is not true? But really, would you put it past them?

Yes, I would,

Hope it’s not true, or put it past them?

Got a link for that?

😆 😆

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/15/world/middleeast/yazidi-girls-seized-by-isis-speak-out-after-escape.html?_r=0

he 15-year-old girl, crying and terrified, refused to release her grip on her sister’s hand. Days earlier, Islamic State fighters had torn the girls from their family, and now were trying to split them up and distribute them as spoils of war.

The jihadist who had selected the 15-year-old as his prize pressed a pistol to her head, promising to pull the trigger. But it was only when the man put a knife to her 19-year-old sister’s neck that she finally relented, taking her next step in a dark odyssey of abduction and abuse at the hands of the Islamic State.

Really, there’s nothing to get bothered about.

(It might be war yet; with a post-(‘Western’-endorsed/backed)-revolution/coup-Ukraine’s Prime Minister having almost cobbled together a viable coalition to represent a dash more or less than half of the half of the Ukrainian population which participated in a ‘purifying‘ election vowing to pursue peace in our time and to build a mighty army to reinforce the active regular Ukrainian units and irregular hypernationalist militias already zealously pursuing an agreed ceasefire: Prospect of all-out war with Russia prompts call to build stronger Ukraine army; and with Putin reportedly returning home early to ‘attend meetings’: Vladimir Putin to leave G20 early after pressure from West over Ukraine, MH17.)

(Malcolm Fraser, and the kind of logic on which he relies, rehearsed in the Mearsheimer piece, and recently alluded to by Gorbachev, must be feeling a bit of a goose now that Ukraine is on the brink of finally winning its political independence and freedom from corruption.)

I did a quick google search and G20 is a meeting for leaders.

By which I am assuming, that is why hockey, brandis and corman and who knows who else from the government will be there. It is not just for leaders, as there are also 4000 delegates attending in addition to the leaders.

Mr Abbott’s move contrasts with Labor’s decision to grant Julie Bishop access to the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Perth, when it was in power.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/g20/g20-summit-tony-abbott-denies-access-to-tanya-plibersek-20141115-11n9du.html

It’s petty and pathetic, but, it is what we have come to expect. I mean, after all other nations have deliberately moved to get Climate Change back onto the table, our leaderless leader brags to them about repealing the Carbon Price.

There is shirtfronting oging on at the G20. It is just that yabot is the recipient of them all, from putin, then cameron, and now Obama. Shirtfronted by them all. What a total tosser lol

Unfortunately for our Prime Minister, however, Barack Obama has delivered a rather humiliating exercise in power politics over the weekend: showing how leadership and power lies in setting and controlling an agenda

Whatever the G20 communique says about climate change, everyone will know our prime minister – rather than leading and shaping the debate – dragged kicking and screaming to it.

http://m.afr.com/p/national/barack_obama_delivers_lesson_in_f6g832V3aLVQYDnAzS9cBL

Yea, “leaders” only 😉

From your link to Malcom Meta

I believe America, in particular, has acted [provocatively] .. especially in seeking to expand NATO to the borders of Russia

I recalled listening to a Dan Carlin podcast recently that explored the reasons behind the current Ukraine crisis, and he lets fly at Americas foreign policy unashamedly, laying much of the blame there, and argues that voters have no “choice” over Americas foreign policy anymore. This looks to be quite accurate imo

http://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-270-poking-the-bear/

I also found it on youtube, but it is quite a long pod, over 40 minutes

Labor barrackers would have enjoyed Insiders this morning. Everyone agreed with everyone else that the Abbott government is stoopid, illustrating, by example, how the ABC is ignoring its legal obligation to all taxpayers (the majority of whom voted for the Abbott government) to be fair and balanced.

What’s the point of a G20 if we can’t laugh at the chairthingy?

Well, it looks like we agree that these displays (of self-flaggelation, IMO) aren’t a requirement, and their worth is a matter of opinion. The PC police want them, others don’t.

“Is there any possible way to portray what yabot is doing at the G20 as anything but a complete shemozzle and NOT be fair and balanced? :shock:”

What, they couldn’t find one commentator in the country to give an alternative viewpoint, representing the views of the majority of the Australian electorate?

aren’t a requirement

Well, if you don’t mind deliberately ignoring a very significant section of our history, not to mention a significant proportion of our current population, or want to pretend that, before the English landed, there was NOTHING but Bush at the site of what is today known as Sydney, then ignore reality to your hearts content.

Just don’t get defensive when people point out how fucking ignorant, disrespectful, and outright STUPID those comments are, especially considering they are coming from a person who had the gall to declare himself the Minister for Indigenous Affairs!

It’s really just rubbing salt into very open wounds. It is petty and vindictive. Two words that have come to symbolise this mob. And, in light of what is happening in Brisbane, irrelevant will soon be added.

“ROFL

If “misogynist” now means traditionalist, is there still a word for actual hatred of women?

In light of his professed disdain for neoliberalism, I’m wondering whether Ricky’s break-up with the Labor party occurred before or after the Hawke-Keating era.

“Economic reform included the floating of the Australian dollar, deregulation of the financial system, dismantling of the tariff system, privatised state sector industries, ended subsidisation of loss-making industries, and the sale of the state-owned Commonwealth Bank of Australia.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawke%E2%80%93Keating_Government

If “misogynist” now means traditionalist

I’ll note the word “if” 😉

“Yep, most Australians …”

No, not really. I know many public-service organisations start any meeting outside the tea-room with an acknowledgement of some kind, but out here in the real world it’s not “as familiar … as a handshake”.

Canberra vs. Reality.

South Australia and the ACT

Get ready to add Victoria back into that list tosy 😉

in fact he prattled on about making more money not CC

And not inclusively either, just make the dosh.

Which is funny, considering the G20 was formed with the idea of “inclusiveness”

What a complete and absolute failure this grubmint has made of these proceedings.

Or is that their aim?

“Get over it? What a complete fucking wanker you are….Get over yourself you self you smarmy piece of dick cheese …What the other 50% of Australia don’t count fucktard?”

Fuck you too, you illiterate fuckwit. The other 50% are what happens in your beloved democracy. It’s called the tyrrany of the majority.

Any thoughts?

Have you considered LMMS?

The price is right 😉

https://lmms.io/

sreb, happy to share … TB

Never say never TB 😉

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Own-YouTube-Channel

I can’t compare LMMS with the professional suites, or how it even stacks up with professional requirements.

I can’t read music, have no ear for music (not sure if it shows 😉 ) just know what I like, and wanted to see if a musically inept tone def individual could make “music”.

It’s not looking good to date lol.

But, that’s what’s so cool about computers. Anyone can have a go at anything. Then again, maybe you don’t need a computer.

That shit doesn’t stand up.

Of course not, they were going to a fund for ‘favoured’ pet projects (read big pharma)

It was quite obviously designed as the first raft of breaking down medicare, which is why when Labor first floated the idea, they dropped it quick smart once they saw what it could do.

Bloody libs can’t even come up with their own ideas to kill medicare any more.

And here was yabot complaining about his inability to kill off medicare to Obama(care)

ROFL

It’s like he lives in a mushroom cloud of ignorance.

“it’s too bias!”

Yes, it’s too bias. But nobody here is bias. No sir.

#toobias

You don’t sail close to the wind here if you espouse the “correct” opinions. It’s the dissenters that are under threat.

Maybe, but you’re safe.

The G20 is a very expensive dud.

http://johnquiggin.com/2014/11/14/a-policy-lesson-from-g20/

I don’t know why Abbott would bore the international community with tales of GP co-payment and an obstinate Senate.

Is it traditional for the host to bore guests?

Well, it is in my house, and people visit with that understanding, but leave when I start to serve the second rung wine. Is that how the G20 operates too?
————-
Re – GP co-payment, unless there is a price any service will be overused. Our system puts a price on everything, and generally this allocates resources with reasonable efficiency. Free stuff isn’t valued.

Bulk billing practices are few and far between these days and are a good service for people on low incomes or the unemployed who otherwise might not seek treatment (or show up at A&E).

Yes, I was amazed that high income earners in hockeys electorate are able to claim full medicare entitlements for GP visits. We have difficulty in our area finding one who bulk bills. And, all of those who do, require a concession card of some sort to access the full refund. (or be under 18).

But, instead of fixing that rort, they are simply stuffing the system as a whole up, and, as pointed out above, without ANY change to the budgets bottom line.

It is nothing but a vehicle to destroy medicare, which really must have impressed Obama (coming hot on the heels of bragging about destroying and ETS as the both China and the US move towards emission reductions)

As for price signals to stop people seeing a GP. ROFL

If waiting for 40 minutes in a room full of sick people isn’t going to stop people, what will?

Besides, if there is any service where you want people to see someone perhaps for no reason, it is a Dr. Better safe than sorry.

Of course, you could always show us the evidence of this “waste” in the system if you like yomm 😉

arse, meet plate ROFL

But occasionally, there’s an awkward, pimply youth moment so embarrassing that it does sting. Like when 19 of the world’s most important leaders visit for a global summit and Prime Minister Tony Abbott opens their retreat on Saturday with a whinge about his doomed efforts to get his fellow Australians to pay $7 to see a doctor.

Los Angeles Times

http://www.theage.com.au/business/g20/australia-suffers-another-cringeworthy-moment-during-g20-summit-20141117-11nxg9.html

Tony Abbott kicks own goal on climate

http://www.afr.com/p/national/tony_abbott_kicks_own_goal_on_climate_D36gfDx1rxK8SZ2kGpaSCP

TONY Abbott has been blindsided in political terms by Barack Obama, who grasps the aspirational and gesture nature of climate change politics.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/barack-obama-gives-pm-a-climate-headache/story-e6frg74x-1227125020466

fucken latte sippen lefies ROFL

You bet you are. You bet I am….

ROFL

Hows the Latte this mornin’ leftie 😉

Here’s one from a different point of view

That’s a different view of reality tosy

Mr Abbott refused to allow the final communiqué to include a binding requirement that all G20 nations commit to the Green Climate Fund

Of course, the reality is

“yabot was unable to prevent the final leaders’ communique from including a recommendation for nations to commit funds to the UN’s Green Climate Fund”

I mean, really, how many “binding requirements” are there in the communiqué ?

View from Bizarro World ROFL

We are just moving further and further away from the rest of the world. Why are we required to “go it alone”?

(Reuters) – A promise by Japan on Sunday to give up to $1.5 billion to a U.N. fund to help poor nations cope with global warming puts the fund within sight of a $10 billion goal and brightens prospects for a U.N. climate pact next year.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/16/us-g20-summit-climatefund-japan-idUSKCN0J00UL20141116

pretty difficult for the tories to argue the source …

Even the hard heads know when real money is being lost to ideology TB.

They must be shitting themselves watching India looking to source all its coal from it’s own soil and China preparing to pay diddly for ours. (wonder what the China “free trade deal” will say about this?)

And our prime miniature has all his eggs in the one dwindling coal basket.

Going it alone didn’t seem to bother the haters when we had by far the highest carbon price in the world!

Except we never were “going it alone”

That was simply another lie. There were, even then, many ETS’s around the world

There are even more now

GOLD!

I actually lifted it from Poll Bludger (not sure who now, just read it, and it fits 😉 )

I don’t think Abbott was that bad at the G20.

ROFL

He whinged to the world about not being able to charge citizens $6 for a GP visit.
He bragged about repealing action on climate change whilst major advances were being made by the rest of the world

ROFL

Bugger! No CD …

Can I get the Vinyl?

she went to Moscow

Yes, but without knowing her coffee preference, how will we ever know if she is a REAL commie?

Yea, “free”. Free for workers to beripped off. I thought we were assured this wouldn’t happen?

What else has been sold up the river

The Abbott government has given ground on labour, agreeing to a new case-by-case mechanism for Chinese investors to apply to bring in workers at Australian wage rates in areas of skills shortages.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-seals-free-trade-deal-with-beijing-20141116-11nsk9.html

Because, like, that’s never been ripped off before 😯

Sounds reasonable.

Because, like, that’s never been ripped off before

‘Sounds reasonable.’

Especially if its a bullet train consortium.

The revolution is here and now, we would be mad not to embrace it. One other thing which might interest you, the Communists have decided to reinstate Confucianism.

‘Selling our jobs overseas is what is’

There is a lot of it going on, it cannot be denied, but there is little chance of deviation now. Mass immigration, of the type we are experiencing, normally creates material progress. So its important to take in the longer view.

Toyota (or other manufacturers
would probably say that Australia was their only manufacturing plant that had industrial action.

No yomm, you would be saying that, and, as usual, you’d be entirely inaccurate!

Business as usual 😉

Signatories to the letter include the Australian Council of Trade Unions, Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union, National Union of Workers, Australian Workers Union, Textile Clothing and Footwear Union of Australia, United Voice, Transport Workers Union and the Rail Tram and Bus Union.

That’s 9, and still doesn’t include the electricians or transport workers or engineers or clerks or count that vehicle, technical and metals divs of AMWU all act like different unions, as do the general and pulp/paper divisions of CFMEU.

Yep, it’s all fine with unions in manufacturing, as long as they get to go on the next junket study tour to the best bars and brothels manufacturing plants on each continent.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dont-sell-out-australian-jobs-say-unions-20141117-11o3q4.html#ixzz3JIWYoopg

and still doesn’t include the electricians or transport workers or

“..Textile Clothing and Footwear Union of Australia, United Voice, Transport Workers Union and the Rail Tram and Bus Union.”

😯

😆

Look up what the term “includes” means, and see if it differs at all from the term “all”

ROFL

Stephen Harper said Sunday that Canada is preparing to make a contribution to a UN fund that helps poor countries cope with the impact of climate change, a move that follows a $3-billion donation from the United States.

“Another insult to our first Australians.”

I do hope the Greens keep saying stupid fucking things like that.

“19.”

LOL

“19.”

LOL

What particular aspect of 19 you find funny? The fact that it is there even though the chairthingy really really didn’t want it?

“What particular aspect of 19 you find funny?”

That there are 18 more important points in front of it …………………….LOL

Mr Xi mentioned climate change not at all in his speech to parliament. Nor did Mr Abbott.

Mr Shorten did.

#keepitupbill
#electoralpoison

“Australian Jobs are barrackers?”

And history has no relationship to reality.

#strawmen
#clutchingatstraws
#yellowperil
#unionsarexenophobes

”””””””””””Responding to the significant post-2020 greenhouse gas reduction commitments by the US and China,
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/13/bill-shorten-accuses-tony-abbott-of-stubborn-isolationism-on-climate-change

the prime minister said he was
””’not focusing on what is happening in 16 years’ time””’

but rather on what his Direct Action scheme might achieve straight away.
””””””””””””””””””””’
”might achieve”? fcuking zero, tony,
that`s what it `might achieve` #imbecile

””””’But how many unions are involved in manufacturing? a dozen? All want their little fiefdom, their patch of membership, their place at the negotiating table, their area to f**k up.””””’

Bleat, bleat, bleat, from the corporate personal fluffer, but hey, lets ignore that industries with plenty of cnut employers existed `before` onions were created, usually by `their-own` trampled work-force. Giving away 1-value-adding manufacturing jobs `and` 2-access to local market-as-dumping ground, HAVE BOTH been unwise by the pollies.

“”……………….”might achieve”? fcuking zero, tony,…………””

Funny how Tony’s Direct Action will achieve Zero yet Obama is being applauded for ………………………………………….wait for it……………………………Direct Action Policies

Obama is a lame duck and has buckleys chance of getting his legislation through. As I said, DAP is a sop and will soon end up in the bottom draw.

Gina R buying up big on dairy two days before the FTA

Nothing to see here, move along …

Mind you, at least there is One Australian who won’t lose out of this (maybe soon) “Free Trade” Agreement

Walrus is correct, leftoids are narrow minded.

you spelt “twits” wrong … again

“… complain? In yer dreams …”

Really………………………..barely 48 hours ago you were wondering where we were.

OK…….I see…………a n aged and barely functioning memory…………

“The “left” here criticise both sides and the centre of politics … when the going gets tough for The Abbott’s lot … they all fk off … “