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The Ultimate Humiliation of the Abbott Govt: US and China reach Carbon Emissions Deal

November 12, 2014

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The Abbott government said it would never happen, but the United States and China have unveiled a new deal to reduce their greenhouse gas output, with China agreeing to cap emissions for the first time and the US committing to deep reductions by 2025.

The  agreement struck between Barack Obama and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jingping, represent a critical step in international efforts to reach a global deal on reducing emissions beyond 2020.

China, the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases in the world, has agreed to cap its output by 2030 or earlier if possible. Previously China had only ever pledged to reduce the rapid rate of growth in its emissions.

Now it has also promised to increase its use of energy from zero-emission sources to 20% by 2030.

The United States has pledged to cut its emissions to 26-28% below 2005 levels by 2025.

The European Union has already endorsed a binding 40% greenhouse gas emissions reduction target by 2030.

Speaking at a joint press conference at the Great Hall of the People, Obama said: “As the world’s largest economies and greatest emitters of greenhouse gases we have special responsibility to lead the global effort against climate change. I am proud we can announce a historic agreement. I commend President Xi, his team and the Chinese government for their making to slow, peak and then reverse China’s carbon emissions.”

He said the US emissions reductions goal was “ambitious but achievable” and would double the pace at which it is reducing carbon emissions.

“This is a major milestone in US-China relations and shows what is possible when we work together on an urgent global challenge.”

The announcement comes in the wake of the Abbott Government’s decision to exclude any climate change discussion from the G20 agenda.

Last week, Australia’s so-called “Environment Minister” Greg Hunt called the LNP’s target to reduce carbon emissions by 5 per cent by 2020 as “one of the world’s leading” reduction targets.

China and the US have just handed the Abbott government its arse to it on a plate.

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. November 12, 2014 4:33 pm

    “the United States and China have unveiled a new deal to reduce their greenhouse gas output, with China agreeing to cap emissions for the first time and the US committing to deep reductions by 2025.”

    Yeah. Trouble is, the Republicans control both the house and the senate, and Obama will be gone in two years. This is never going to happen.

    (Of course, China can be taken at their word.)

  2. November 12, 2014 4:39 pm

  3. November 12, 2014 4:42 pm

    “To match the scale of cuts announced by US, Australia would have to reduce emissions by about 30% on 2000 levels by 2025.”

    This is not a race we should want to “win”.

    Green Policies: What Could Go Wrong?

  4. November 12, 2014 4:47 pm

    Yeah. I mean what’s so good about a cleaner environment anyway…?

  5. November 12, 2014 4:48 pm

    Drudge Report:

    Minnesota shatters snow record from 1898…
    KEEP CALM AND SHOVEL ON…
    Cold to Freeze East…
    WY WINDCHILL WARNING: 35 BELOW…
    FROSTBITE IN 10 MINUTES…
    Winter still month away…
    CHILL MAP…
    Obama readies sweeping list of executive actions on ‘global warming’…
    China vows to cap carbon emissions…

  6. November 12, 2014 4:50 pm

    So no comment so far from Greg Hunt. No doubt he’s standing outside Pedlin’s office awaiting instructions

  7. November 12, 2014 4:51 pm

    Everyone loves a “clean” environment, and most of the western world has one. Global warming is about temperature, not cleanliness.

    (I presume we can speak about that taboo topic on this thread?)

  8. November 12, 2014 4:59 pm

    Yes, you may. Permission granted. 🙂

  9. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 12, 2014 5:00 pm

    I thought this topic was banned from being discussed.

  10. November 12, 2014 5:02 pm

    You can talk about it when it’s relevant to the topic of the thread.

    It’s just banned when people (egg) insist on bringing it up when it has nothing to do with the topic.

  11. November 12, 2014 5:04 pm

  12. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 12, 2014 6:01 pm

    “Yeah. I mean what’s so good about a cleaner environment anyway…?

    CO2 is not pollutant.

  13. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 6:14 pm

    Obama readies sweeping list of executive actions on ‘global warming’…

    Its actually about “climate change”, I thought?

    And I still claim to be an agnostic … however … I am an advocate of alternative, renewable energy … that anyone can “own” not just big business via “the government” …

    Everyone loves a “clean” environment, and most of the western world has one.

    Ya, reckon …?

    FOR the past few days parts of London, the south-east and the Midlands have been covered by a milky, hazy smog. Environmental groups are angrily calling on Boris Johnson, the mayor of London, to reduce the pollution from cars in the city. Elderly people and asthmatics have been told to stay indoors or to avoid exercise. Newspapers quote residents with itchy throats, while photographs of David Cameron’s car covered in dust have been posted online.

    PARIS — Parisians taking public transportation to work on Friday were surprised and delighted to find free subways and buses for the next three days, but the reason was a bit less cheerful: Air pollution had reached an unusually high level and was expected to continue unabated through the weekend.

    This was written in 2011 …but we know it ain’t got better …

    http://www.examiner.com/article/nyc-ranks-top-smog-offenders-for-2011-according-to-report
    ==============================================

    Slightly OT … we just received our water bill from Urban Utilities … from an average of 340 lt a day we have suddenly used 890 lt a day … nothing has changed here … no leaks … two people (with the same visitors) … and we have past invoices for four years to prove we are always below the suburb and city averages … this is going to be interesting …

  14. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 6:15 pm

    CO2 is not pollutant.

    Until that’s all the gas you have to breathe …

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 6:17 pm

    I might have just become a believer … well I always was re the shite going into the atmosphere … the climate change things is still 50/50 for me …

    Won’t hurt to curb it tho’ …

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 12, 2014 6:27 pm

    Where is egg?? He must be jumping at the bit to make a comment.

  17. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2014 6:27 pm

    “Of course, China can be taken at their word.”

    Of course they can……..pardon me for a moment whilst I ROFLMAO…………..and the Republicans will no doubt embrace this……………………what a cracker !

  18. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 12, 2014 6:29 pm

    That’s so interesting.

    I heard Shorten say that the agreement was an endorsement of the ALP’s policy!

    So have they agreed on a carbon tax… or an ETS?

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 6:30 pm

    … pardon me for a moment whilst I ROFLMAO …

    You spend an awful lot of time on the floor these days, Wally … methinks, your chair seat might just be a bit too shiny …

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 6:33 pm

    So have they agreed on a carbon tax… or an ETS?

    Clivey wasn’t sure either, ToM …

    … but luckily intelligent Australians always knew that tax would morph into an ETS (even if some denied their knowledge) … until the pups played with it … now we have no slippers … and not enough $$$ to buy any new ones …

  21. Walrus permalink
    November 12, 2014 6:33 pm

    Here’s another of China’s long term promises……………

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/why-hong-kong-protestors-are-angry-2014-9

  22. November 12, 2014 6:44 pm

    GOD! That bought the anti-AGW myopics out of their dark little caves!!

  23. November 12, 2014 7:03 pm

    Yeah, and it got you to crawl out from your rock, deknarf (if that’s even your real name! 😯 ).

  24. November 12, 2014 7:04 pm

    *under your rock

    Whatever.

  25. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:05 pm

    This is not a race we should want to “win”.

    Sorry, the race has been run, and Australia has just pulled a reverse Bradbury.

    The results of India’s latest solar auction are in, and it is bad news for developers of Australian coal projects – solar PV is cheaper for Indian users than the electricity price needed to pay for imports of coal from Australia.

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/solar-cheaper-in-india-than-imported-australian-coal-60317

    Why oh why is the rest of the world going it alone?

    CO2 is not pollutant.

    ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓

    So have they agreed on a carbon tax… or an ETS?

    Labor have stated, as they have for several years, that their policy is an emissions trading scheme. There are several terms being used for the one mechanism, which appear to be quite fluid in their interpretation by our media at any given point in time. 😉

  26. November 12, 2014 7:08 pm

    “Sorry, the race has been run, and Australia has just pulled a reverse Bradbury.”

    That’s a relief. They can run the race of stupidity without us.

  27. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:08 pm

    now we have no slippers

    Isn’t he launching an appeal 😉 🙂

  28. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:09 pm

    Has REb banned egg?

    My main comment is if Labor is for it, i am against it.

  29. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:10 pm

    They can run the race of stupidity without us.

    Yea. Stupid World, going it alone without the Great Southern Land to carry them! (after it led the way)

    Where’s that bloody mothership?

  30. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:11 pm

    My main comment is if Labor is for it, i am against it.

    I think you meant “only” comment 😉

  31. November 12, 2014 7:13 pm

    Hopefully Mr Shorten will get caught up in the leftoid euphoria, and promise to (re)introduce a carbon tax/ETS/price on carbon. That’ll just entrench his unelectability.

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:14 pm

    Labor have stated, as they have for several years, that their policy is an emissions trading scheme.

    So China and USA are going to have an ETS!! Because if they’re not, it’s not exactly an endorsement of the ALP’s policy!!!

    The only other alternative is some abatement, business encouragement, government regulation and the like, and that’s called direct action (apparently)

  33. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:14 pm

    Has REb banned egg?

    Perhaps grodo worked out that if he posts something that is obviously denialist rubbish, reb might stick him in the norty caughner, so has used his common sense and chosen to remain silent.

    Or he’s at a meeting for Denialist Anonymous venting his rage.

    I know what my moneys on 😉

  34. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:18 pm

    That’ll just entrench his unelectability.

    tosy, 4u 😉

    BILL Shorten has staked his prime ministerial ambitions on a pledge to resurrect carbon pricing, just hours after the unpopular carbon tax was finally put to the sword.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/carbon-tax-gone-but-labor-leader-bill-shorten-vows-to-revive-it/story-fncynjr2-1226992713084

  35. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:20 pm

    China and USA both have very large emission trading schemes operating in their countries.

    The USA have had them as far back as when that dipshit on 7.30 lied to the FPM Julia Gillard that they were retreating from them.

  36. November 12, 2014 7:22 pm

    “BILL Shorten has staked his prime ministerial ambitions on a pledge to resurrect carbon pricing, just hours after the unpopular carbon tax was finally put to the sword.”

    Oh well, he’s fucked then. Either he changes policy before the election, gets usurped by his own party, or loses the election. If you think he can win an election promising a carbon tax, your knowledge of politics is clouded by your obsessive apologetics for the Labor party. And I mean that in the nicest possible way. 😉

  37. November 12, 2014 7:24 pm

    “China and USA both have very large emission trading schemes operating in their countries.”

    Not really, but if it makes ya feel better. (Maybe one or two of the “united” states; and China? According to who: them?)

  38. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:24 pm

    Hi Tom,

    You’d be forgiven for getting whiplash if you were following the news on climate change today.

    I was just about to update you on Labor’s announcement on the Renewable Energy Target when I got the news of an agreement between China and the US to take dramatic action to reduce carbon emissions.

    It’s a huge announcement and one which gives me real hope that the world will act to prevent irreversible climate change.

    With China and the United States representing around one-third of the global economy and over 40 per cent of global emissions, there will now be significant global momentum to deal with climate change. You can read the White House Statement here.

    This news makes Tony Abbott’s refusal to deal with the issue at the G20 in Brisbane later this week all the more embarrassing and irresponsible.

    More than that, it reveals Tony Abbott’s determination to take Australia backwards, to reverse our action on climate change, as a complete failure of leadership.

    Labor has been desperately trying to drag the Abbott Government back to a position of bi-partisan support for the Renewable Energy Target.

    The Renewable Energy Target has been driving investment in renewable energy. Under Labor, renewable energy jobs tripled, homes with rooftop solar went from 7,400 to 1.3 million and pollution levels declined.

    But Tony Abbott wants to cut the Renewable Energy Target by 40 per cent and Labor won’t stand for that.

    A reduction of the Renewable Energy Target by 40 per cent would cost jobs, stall investment and see Australia’s electricity prices and carbon pollution rise.

    By 2013, Australia was rated one of the four most attractive places to invest in renewable energy, alongside China, the US and Germany.

    The uncertainty caused by Tony Abbott reneging on his commitment to the Renewable Energy Target has already seen Australia to go backwards, to tenth in the world.

    On top of that, Tony Abbott wants to abolish the Australian Renewable Energy Agency and the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.

    Labor will fight for real action on climate change and a strong future for renewables in Australia. And I’m asking you to fight with me.

    Thanks for standing with me,

    Bill.

    via my inbox 😉

    (he hasn’t replied yet when I asked him if he would shirtfront yabot on this issue at the G20)

  39. November 12, 2014 7:27 pm

    “via my inbox 😉 ”

    That’s okay, Tom R. Everybody already knew you got the daily talking-points.

  40. November 12, 2014 7:30 pm

    Egg is not (presently) banned, and yet when I post a topic on its/her/his pet topic egg is nowhere to be seen..

    Probably too busy stabbing pins into an Obama doll or sumthin’…

  41. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:31 pm

    Everybody already knew you got the daily talking-points.

    Yea, but you’d assumed they came in via the electrodes in me head, didn’t ya 😉

    (I’m not denying it either, #justsayin)

    (ps, I also get em from the libs, but they appear to be mainly libberish, and even that is Labors fault 🙂 )

  42. November 12, 2014 7:34 pm

    Yeah, I don’t really believe that last bit, Tom R. Perhaps you could copy and paste today’s Liberal emails as well.

    Didn’t think so.

  43. November 12, 2014 7:35 pm

    Perhaps el gordo/egg/ironicman is unwell. I hope not.

  44. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:39 pm

    *under your rock

    Whatever.

    LOL! A disturbed, ToSY

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Isn’t he launching an appeal

    Chortle!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Where’s that bloody mothership?

    Shhhhh … :mrgreen:

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Has REb banned egg?

    LOL! A lesson to be learned, perhaps …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    China and USA both have very large emission trading schemes operating in their countries.

    Yep, but we are now at 1952 … a couple of years to go Back to the Future … not such a pleasant place BTW? 😉

    That’s okay, Tom R. Everybody already knew you got the daily talking-points.

    Unlike the free thinkers on the RIGHT side of politics … who are always out of “sync”*

    * sarc …..

  45. November 12, 2014 7:42 pm

    ‘Unlike the free thinkers on the RIGHT side of politics … who are always out of “sync”*’

    Yeah, no worries, TB, the VRWC is alive and well.

  46. November 12, 2014 7:42 pm

    “My main comment is if Labor is for it, i am against it.”

    #stupidcunt

    #partisanarsehat

    #instantlydismissable

  47. November 12, 2014 7:43 pm

    “Perhaps el gordo/egg/ironicman is unwell. I hope not.”

    Bleeding hearts are for leftists.

  48. November 12, 2014 7:43 pm

    Lackie Jambie is raving like a bogan lunatic saying her piece on 7:30.

  49. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:52 pm

    Thanks ToSY … I should have thought of getting the LIbNits emails earlier (I usually delete the ALPs in Mail Washer) … keep your friends close and enemies closer … and I guess having neither on politics these days it pays to get the BS from both sides …

    … this was funny …

    http://www.liberal.org.au/latest-news/2014/11/12/julia-gillard-supports-return-labors-painful-carbon-tax

    Play on words (badly) … in fact if you were in business it would classify as false and misleading … a civil offence … carries a BIG fine …

    So far we have received $5 from the power company … fuel is still as high as ever … and tucker is still being flogged in the “free market” that is Coles and Woollies …

    What a nasty tax that was …

  50. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:54 pm

    Perhaps you could copy and paste today’s Liberal emails as well.

    I don’t get their emails tosy, I get their rss feed (which I would assume is the same content?)

    Like I’d give them my details ROFL

    The last one I got was on the 5th

    Prime Minister – Inaugural Daily Telegraph Bradfield Oration

    Then a lot of other drivel

    I’m assuming he’s been to busy practicing his shirtlifting techniques for boris to send me any more 😦

  51. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:56 pm

    What a nasty tax that was …

    We got a massive $6 something back, except that was more than swallowed up by other sundry charges and rises.

    Yays

    But I’m wondering why only that is detailed, nothing else?

  52. November 12, 2014 7:57 pm

    That’s okay Tom R, I knew you were bullshitting using poetic licence.

  53. Tom R permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:57 pm

    What a nasty tax that was …

    Price TB, what a nasty “Price” that was 😉

  54. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 7:58 pm

    Yeah, no worries, TB, the VRWC is alive and well.

    Yeah I noticed Frank Mcmanus’ supporters … I’d put up the link but it suddenly disappeared from news.com.au … y’know keep yer enemies close?

  55. November 12, 2014 7:59 pm

    “What a nasty tax that was …”

    They’re all nasty. The fewer and lower the better.

  56. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 8:00 pm

    Price … tax … it was a means to make the polluters check pollution … now we pay ’em … what’s called a fkn handout!

    Why didn’t Noddy Newman pay bikies to stop making a nuisance of themselves?

    These Fuckwits must really think people like us are still peasants!

  57. November 12, 2014 8:01 pm

    “Price TB, what a nasty “Price” that was ;)”

    Rust Talking points never sleep(s).

  58. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 8:07 pm

    … now we are being “told” by Russia just where we stand in the world scheme … thank The Abbott for … how many people have these wankers put offside … its like living in a kindergarten … the worst government I have ever experienced in this country … and I thought Howard was aggressively stupid …

    This boofhead needs to be counselled by smarter heads in the Liberal Party … before Wally has to put on a uniform …

    Abbott and our nation is being shirt-fronted by Russia …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/russian-warships-heading-to-australia/story-fncynjr2-1227120928528

  59. TB Queensland permalink
    November 12, 2014 8:08 pm

    They’re all nasty. The fewer and lower the better.

    Another selfish WCP. And ya still don’t get sarc … my fault I forgot the *

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 12, 2014 8:08 pm

    “Why didn’t Noddy Newman pay bikies to stop making a nuisance of themselves?

    Yeah!!

    And why don’t we just jack up the price of tap water to $2 a litre, instead of having those annoying water restrictions.

  61. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 12, 2014 8:12 pm

    Well, “Bill” wrote to me too (at 6.46pm), personally!!

    Hi tomofmelbourne@gmail.com,
    You’d be forgiven for getting whiplash if you were following the news on climate change today.
    I was just about to update you on Labor’s announcement on the Renewable Energy Target when I got the news of an agreement between China and the US to take dramatic action to reduce carbon emissions.
    It’s a huge announcement and one which gives me real hope that the world will act to prevent irreversible climate change.
    With China and the United States representing around one-third of the global economy and over 40 per cent of global emissions, there will now be significant global momentum to deal with climate change. You can read the White House Statement here.
    This news makes Tony Abbott’s refusal to deal with the issue at the G20 in Brisbane later this week all the more embarrassing and irresponsible.
    More than that, it reveals Tony Abbott’s determination to take Australia backwards, to reverse our action on climate change, as a complete failure of leadership.
    Labor has been desperately trying to drag the Abbott Government back to a position of bi-partisan support for the Renewable Energy Target.
    The Renewable Energy Target has been driving investment in renewable energy. Under Labor, renewable energy jobs tripled, homes with rooftop solar went from 7,400 to 1.3 million and pollution levels declined.
    But Tony Abbott wants to cut the Renewable Energy Target by 40 per cent and Labor won’t stand for that.
    A reduction of the Renewable Energy Target by 40 per cent would cost jobs, stall investment and see Australia’s electricity prices and carbon pollution rise.
    By 2013, Australia was rated one of the four most attractive places to invest in renewable energy, alongside China, the US and Germany.
    The uncertainty caused by Tony Abbott reneging on his commitment to the Renewable Energy Target has already seen Australia to go backwards, to tenth in the world.
    On top of that, Tony Abbott wants to abolish the Australian Renewable Energy Agency and the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.
    Labor will fight for real action on climate change and a strong future for renewables in Australia. And I’m asking you to fight with me.
    Thanks for standing with me,
    Bill.

  62. November 12, 2014 8:13 pm

    “… now we are being “told” by Russia just where we stand in the world scheme … thank The Abbott for … how many people have these wankers put offside … its like living in a kindergarten”

    Are you fucking serious. It’s beyond doubt Russia was responsible for the downing of MH17.
    (I can provide links if you want them.)

    But you expect, what? Abbott to say nothing, and pretend nothing happened. Like Shorten? Party politics are clouding your judgement, too, I fear.

    GMAFB!

  63. November 12, 2014 8:14 pm

    “Another selfish WCP.”

    You wouldn’t fucking know, you arrogant cunt.

  64. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 12, 2014 8:26 pm

    “#stupidcunt

    #partisanarsehat

    #instantlydismissable”

    No, i tell the truth.

    Did you see the pictures posted saying Costello was like Bradbury.

    Costello got the gold medal for economic numbers but it was just dumb luck according to leftoids.

    Leftoids are partisan deadbeats unable to tell the truth

  65. November 12, 2014 8:34 pm

    ”””That’ll just entrench his unelectability.”””
    Who says he`s not already `entrenched` Tinfoil`osy.?
    #shortmen #too.late
    ________________________

    (All Hail Nanny Roxon.!!!)

  66. November 12, 2014 8:53 pm

    ”””’the United States and China have unveiled a new deal to reduce their greenhouse gas output, with China agreeing to cap emissions for the first time and the US committing to deep reductions by 2025.”””’

    #these type of reports are pretty much moot, china and india have both applied various renew`s in their countries while john-w and george-w were peddling denial, both china and india have also realized that health problems caused by pollution need to be acted on too.

    .

    ”””’Yeah. Trouble is, the Republicans control both the house and the senate, and Obama will be gone in two years. This is never going to happen.”””’

    #At the fed-level, for sure Tinfoil`osy, just like us. But teh-usa leadership comes from the states, not Fed, and some states have projects that leads the game, just like here.

    How is Las-Vegas powered.?

    What`s West-Aust`s new power project.? #wink #wink

  67. November 12, 2014 8:54 pm

    “No, i tell the truth.”

    The truth is largely obscured from you via your insistence that ” if Labor is for it, i am against it”, among other derivative, prejudiced rubbish.

  68. November 12, 2014 9:00 pm

    “But you expect, what? Abbott to say nothing, and pretend nothing happened. Like Shorten? Party politics are clouding your judgement, too, I fear.”

    Yeah, well that’s a double edged sword too, if you’re serious.

    I think we all know what the rightards would be squealing if a Labor PM had said something as dumb as they were going to ‘shirtfront’ the leader of another country.
    It’s awkward chestbeating which is likely to have the inverse effect of what would be desired.

    At best, he’s just being an unconvincing mouthpiece for our ‘larger’ allies who wouldn’t say such things because brinkmanship from them would likely have far graver consequences.

    Abbott is like the buzzing of flies.

  69. November 12, 2014 9:32 pm

    China is pushing renewables because it make economic and environmental sense… They have no option to prepare for the end of coal as it is a major encumbrance on their economic growth…
    Only the profoundly stupid and ignorant encumbered by the indoctrination of ideology think otherwise…conspirators creating the perpetration of conspiracy for the dirty fuel addicted polluters who seek to enslave people to energy. renewables are a threat to their cartel which empowers consumers.

    I mean the shirtfront coward thinks coal is good for humanity and innocuous…what abject imbecilic ignorance.

    ignorant and stupid congratulations

    My main comment is if Labor is for it, i am against it.

    The truth is largely obscured from you via your insistence that ” if Labor is for it, i am against it”, among other derivative, prejudiced rubbish.

    Spot on take a prize from the top shelf

    The ever moronic trough cake decorator

    GOD! That bought the anti-AGW myopics out of their dark little caves!!

    Poor deluded fucktards.. must be furious…

    Deny away.. but te future is here and its coal free
    http://cleantechnica.com/2014/11/04/walcha-manilla-and-other-nsw-towns-aim-for-net-zero-energy/

    Future of Nuclear energy…

    Generation 5 Thorium salt breeder reactors…

  70. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 12, 2014 9:39 pm

    “The truth is largely obscured from you via your insistence that ” if Labor is for it, i am against it”, among other derivative, prejudiced rubbish”

    No

    I have found from experience not to trust anything a Labor supporter says.

    Like with AWB. Apparently AWB was trading with the enemy according to Labor.

    I then found that 5 other Australian companies were “trading with the enemy”. I then found also that hundreds of other companies around the world were “trading with the enemy.”

    “Trading with the enemy” was a legally sanctioned program run by the UN.

    If Labor is for it i am against it. ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!

  71. November 12, 2014 10:48 pm

    “Trading with the enemy” was a legally sanctioned program run by the UN.
    If Labor is for it i am against it. ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!

    what an magnanimously ignorant cunt… bribes were paid..sanctioned?

    See this intellectual pygmy has nothing to say on anything on topic..halfwit…

  72. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 8:19 am

    So, some journos have noticed that it is only now that we are in fact “going it alone”. Slowly but implacably reality is filtering through their stoned walls

    In the US, China and the EU the ambition of climate policy is growing.

    In Australia it just keeps getting smaller. We have been shouting so long and so loudly about how we had to avoid getting “ahead of the world”, hyperventilating about how a relatively modest carbon tax would end economic life as we knew it (even after it was introduced and it didn’t) that we seemed not to notice we were in fact being left behind.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/12/pressure-on-australia-to-slash-emissions-but-no-cost-effective-policy-to-get-us-there

    And a special mention for yomm, who seems to be confusing what America is doing to what we are doing. Sorry yomm, nothing could be further from the truth

    It is, as the US is demonstrating, possible to reduce emissions by means other than a carbon price. Tough regulations or carefully targeted and rigorously assessed government incentives can also do the job.

    But Direct Action, as it stands, is unlikely to be a viable alternative and its costs will certainly become prohibitive as Australia is required to reduce its emissions further – as Malcolm Turnbull kept telling us and has been repeatedly borne out by modelling (done by third parties because the government hasn’t done any, preferring as Abbott said during the election campaign, to just “have a crack”).

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/12/pressure-on-australia-to-slash-emissions-but-no-cost-effective-policy-to-get-us-there

    Of course, just because it is “possible to reduce emissions by means other than a carbon price” does not mean that an emissions trading scheme is not the best answer. It is widely accepted across a wide range of professions that an emissions trading scheme is the best way, just not the only way. It is also widely accepted across a wide range of professions that Direct Action is possibly the worst of all methods, most believing that it has no chance at all of succeeding in even a small reduction in emissions, but all accepting that it will be a windfall for the big emitters.. Or, as Lenore Taylor so succinctly puts it.

    And so we find ourselves under extreme pressure to make much deeper cuts to emissions without any cost-effective policy to get us there. Not just up shit creek, but without a paddle.

  73. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 8:35 am

    China is pushing renewables because it make economic and environmental sense…

    Precisely. Our “debate” has for so long been mired in fabrication and falsehoods that we no longer have a reliable footing from which to focus on what is happening and what is required to tackle this problem. Well, now that the wrecker is actually in charge, perhaps the media will stop playing his game for him, and get back to theirs? And, lets hope that Labor continue to pursue actual, realistic outcomes, and don’t sink to yabots level of gutter level tactics that have become the stock in trade for liberal oppositions. Stick to attacking yabot with reality, facts and common sense.

    “Tony Abbott’s flat-earth views are out of touch with Australians and out of touch with world leaders. Climate change is not just an environmental issue. It is a security issue and it is absolutely an economic issue. Tony Abbott’s failure to recognise this represents a failure of leadership.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/barack-obama-praises-historic-climate-deal-as-labor-steps-up-attack-on-coalition-20141112-11l6e1.html#ixzz3IphMfNRd

    But, Labor need to tie the entire liberal leadership team with this failure too, not just yabot. turnbull has also been exposed for the denialist puppet he really is, so there should be no turning back for them by installing him once the reality of the whole situation finally filters through to the general public at large. They should all go down with the rotting carcass of the liberal ship imo.

    Iwill assume that ltdnews is downplaying this for all its worth. The question is, will fairfax and aunty tag along with them as has become their habit in recent years?

  74. November 13, 2014 8:40 am

    Someone should tell Lenore that Obama’s “deal” with China is purely symbolic, and has no legal force. It will be up to future congresses and presidents whether any of this occurs at all. As for China’s “commitment”, they’re saying they’ll “peak” their carbon emissions by 2030. That is, business as usual for another 16 years.

    Shit creek indeed.

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2014 8:50 am

    “Tough regulations or carefully targeted and rigorously assessed government incentives can also do the job.

    I seem to recall that I would consider a government serious about emissions when they decided that regulation was a starting point.

    I think I used the example of water restrictions (ie we don’t use price to reduce consumption) about 7 years ago.

  76. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 13, 2014 8:54 am

  77. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 9:06 am

    is purely symbolic,

    I’m not claiming it isn’t. But symbols are more powerful than you give them credit for perhaps?

    The political symbolism is the most potent element. Only the unwise dismiss symbolism.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/climate-change-cooperation-and-goodwill-are-in-the-air-20141112-11lbni.html#ixzz3It1UaQy8

    Now, I’m not calling you unwise tosy, I have far more respect for you than that, but, perhaps you simply need to read further into what this symbol means.

  78. November 13, 2014 9:08 am

    Reuters:

    “Nov 12 (Reuters) – The joint statement by the United States and China on climate change, issued on Wednesday, is more important for its political and diplomatic symbolism than any practical effect it might have in reducing emissions.

    “The statement reiterates policies China and the United States have been developing on their own and contains no new binding limits on greenhouse emissions…

    “The joint announcement employs language very carefully. Throughout, the operative word is “intend” or “intention”, which makes clear the statement is not meant to create any new obligations.

    “China’s 2030 emissions target is set in terms of a date but says nothing about the level at which emissions will peak.

    “China’s target for primary energy consumption is expressed in terms of “non-fossil fuels”, which means a big increase in nuclear power as well as wind, solar and hydro…

    “The Republican Party will control both chambers of the U.S. Congress from January 2015. Congressional Republicans are hostile to large parts of the president’s policies on climate and energy, especially his administration’s implementation of emissions curbs through regulatory action rather than legislation.

    “Republican lawmakers have pledged to roll back some of the regulatory actions that the administration has taken over the last four years through the Environmental Protection Agency…

    “By adopting emissions targets on its own terms, China can influence negotiations leading up to the 2015 climate summit and head off pressure for tougher targets.

    “China can point to its self-adopted targets as well as the principle of “common and differentiated responsibilities” to block any attempt to erect carbon tariffs or other border adjustment measures by the United States and the European Union to protect energy-intensive trade-exposed industries.

    “Finally, the 2030 target should be fairly easy to meet. By then, the most manufacturing-intensive phase of China’s development will be complete and hundreds of millions more people will have been lifted into the middle class. Emissions are likely to stabilise by that date even without the joint statement.

    “For China, climate action remains subordinate to the primary goals of economic development and political and social stability. The joint statement enshrines China’s right to tackle climate change in its own way and at its own pace.”

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/11/12/climatechange-china-usa-kemp-idUKL6N0T22IU20141112

  79. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 13, 2014 9:10 am

  80. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 9:22 am

    Even that article touches on hte most important aspect (imo) of hte deal tosy

    Crucially, the joint statement reaffirms “the principle of common but differentiated responsibilities”, which has been the sticking point in international negotiations since the Kyoto Protocol in 1997.

    This is not to be underestimated. The two largest emitters coming together and reaching a (non-binding) agreement in hte lead up to (binding) agreements is a huge step.

    Meanwhile, we slip further and further behind in the new economy of energy production, tying ourselves to the last centuries method of coal fueled production.

    These are not just platitudes, they are major stepping blocks in the path forward.

  81. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 9:23 am

    lol @ ao

    Those scientists. They can land a probe on a comet, but are completely wrong about climate change.

  82. November 13, 2014 9:33 am

    Gee, I wonder what happened to this prediction:

    “China is considering setting itself a new target to stop increasing overall emissions by 2025, according to Lord Stern of Brentford. He said that consumption of coal in China, which is the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, could reach a peak before 2020, much earlier than previously predicted”. –Ben Webster, The Times, 25 September 2013

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/environment/article3878401.ece

  83. November 13, 2014 9:34 am

    Then there’s India.

    “The man responsible for maintaining India’s power supply says he wants the country’s coal production to double within the next five years. Piyush Goyal, Minister of State for Power, Coal, New and Renewable energy, says India needs to dig twice as much coal as it does today if it is to meet its soaring energy demand. By 2019, it is expected to be consuming two trillion units of electricity annually, with one unit equalling one kilowatt hour. Describing coal as “an essential input for power”, Goyal said: “I see Coal India production doubling in the next five years. It makes about 500 million tonnes hopefully this year. We [will] do a billion tonnes in 2019.” –Alex Kirby, Climate News Network, 7 November 2014

    http://www.climatenewsnetwork.net/india-set-to-defy-warnings-on-coals-climate-impact/

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 13, 2014 9:43 am

  85. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 9:47 am

    Is that the same India that just worked out that it is cheaper for them to run solar than it is to buy coal from Australia.

    That India 😉

    I think the simple fact that there is so much Denial about the import of this decision by the Usual Suspects(?) really just confirms the import of this decision

  86. November 13, 2014 9:52 am

    Or, to put it another way, I think the fact that so many of the usual suspects are so desperate to beat up this announcement into something more important than it actually is, is an indication of their desperation.

  87. November 13, 2014 9:54 am

    BTW, Lenore Taylor is a(n) journalactivist.

  88. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 9:56 am

    Does that go hartcher, a well known liptick applicant for yabot

  89. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 9:58 am

    Meanwhile, will the libs intransigence with the RET result in power bill rises that will dwarf even their ridiculous claims about the Carbon Price?

    John Grimes, chief executive of the Australian Solar Council, said the investment freeze caused by the uncertainty of a long political stand-off was likely to trigger the penalty price, but if it did the 30% increase in power bills “will be entirely Tony Abbott’s fault.”

    “Tony Abbott walked away from the bipartisan policy and if it comes to that he would be the one imposing a massive new tax on every electricity consumer.”

    “Tony Abbott hates solar, he hates wind … any suggestion the end of talks is Labor’s fault is just outrageous … no deal is better than a bad deal and the government was only offering a bad deal,” he said.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/12/renewable-energy-target-standoff-risks-investment-freeze-and-30-power-bill-hike

  90. Walrus permalink
    November 13, 2014 10:07 am

    Guess who in 2008

    “………………….generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth………….”

    Slap thigh then ROFLMAO

  91. November 13, 2014 10:12 am

    “the simple fact that there is so much Denial about the import of this decision by the Usual Suspects(?) really just confirms the import of this decision”

    INDEED!

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2014 10:14 am

    But you expect, what? Abbott to say nothing, and pretend nothing happened. Like Shorten? Party politics are clouding your judgement, too, I fear.

    Its nothing to do with politics … its our national image on the international stage that is being damaged!

    In one day Abbott has been caught with his pants down by Obama and Xi Ping and been shirt-fronted by four heavy missile Russian navy vessels, ordered I suspect by Putin …

    Your “links” with “evidence” cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that Russia fired the weapon … it may have supplied the weapon – but both Ukraine and Russian rebels use Russian equipment …

    No, this is about The Abbott making Australia look foolish on the world stage …

    And you have been reading “some”** of my comments for years now and know that if it was an ALP leader doing it, I’d be up the bastard like a rat up a drain-pipe … our national reputation trumps local politics any day …

    I can assure you my judgement ain’t clouded … The Abbott’s the ideologue in power …

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2014 10:27 am

    But you expect, what?

    I didn’t actually answer this … but I expect any PM of this country to at least attempt to act like a statesman/woman on our behalf …

    No a hollow public threat to “shirtfront” the head of state of one of the largest/most powerful nations in the world … discussions by all means … a braver PM would have arranged a visit to Moscow to tell Putin and the world of our deep concern and need for their help to investigate and analyse what happened in Ukraine …

    I doubt anyone here would be forthcoming with help if some little bully from across the world threatened you …

    … nor dumb enough not to realise the benefits of alternative/renewable energy sources in the 21st century …

    The Abbott is incompetent … and I’m surprised that wiser heads don’t prevail in the LNP Party Room … it took two to destroy the ALP … The Abbott is destroyinh The Monastery all by itself …

  94. November 13, 2014 10:35 am

    Slap thigh then ROFLMAO…

    Guess who in 2011 ….

    Guess who in 2014… coal is good for humanity

    Guess who in 2009 …. 2009 global warming is complete crap

    Guess who in 2010 ….
    What the housewives of Australia need to understand as they do the ironing is that if they get it done commercially it’s going to go up in price and their own power bills when they switch the iron on are going to go up.

    Guess who in 2010 ….
    The poor will always be with us.

    Guess who in 2010 …….
    I know politicians are going to be judged on everything they say but sometimes in the heat of discussion you go a little bit further than you would if it was an absolutely calm, considered, prepared, scripted remark. The statements that need to be taken absolutely as gospel truth are those carefully prepared scripted remarks.

    Guess who in 2013 ….
    No one, however smart, however well educated, however experienced, is the suppository of all wisdom.

    Guess who in 2013 …. lets summ up shall we

  95. November 13, 2014 11:14 am

    Sorry Walrus..did I just “shirtfront” you (guess who 2014).. I literally have enough material to go all day 🙂

  96. November 13, 2014 11:19 am

    Putin: I see your shirtfront and raise you a shipfront.

  97. November 13, 2014 11:23 am

  98. November 13, 2014 11:36 am

    The presence of Russian warships is not unprecedented, and has nothing to do with Abbott’s comments, however much the barrackers wish it were so.

    “Peter Leahy is the director of the National Security Institute at the University of Canberra, and is a former chief of army.

    “PETER LEAHY: Well, I think [the naval display] is a demonstration of power but I’d say it’s a less than subtle demonstration of power. I rather think it’s likely to be pre-planned and it’s more associated with the APEC meeting in Brisbane rather than the comments from the Prime Minister…We’ve seen this happen before off Singapore for an APEC meeting in 2009, we’ve seen it in a meeting off San Francisco in 2010. So it’s fairly routine. He’s the leader of a large power, he’s probably making sure of his own security concerns. It’s back up to back up.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2014/s4127416.htm

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2014 11:42 am

    Putin: I see your shirtfront and raise you a shipfront.

    LOL! Gold!

    Or a shitload! Chuckle …

    “PETER LEAHY: Well, I think [the naval display] is a demonstration of power but I’d say it’s a less than subtle demonstration of power.

    I bet General Leahy, bit his tongue saying that, ToSY …

    I, for one, am a firm believer in … “there is no such thing as coincidence in business” … and this IS business …

  100. November 13, 2014 11:46 am

    And what do you have to say about the precedents he cites?

  101. November 13, 2014 11:54 am

    And what do you have to say about the precedents he cites?

    It says Abbott is a fucking imbecilic international embaressment and is to bilateral diplomacy what Bradley John Murdoch and Ivan Milat are to tourism

  102. Walrus permalink
    November 13, 2014 11:54 am

    “Sorry Walrus..did I just “shirtfront” you ”

    Not really Ricky………………..you must remember this……………….

    “I haven’t seen what she’s said, but let me say I support what it is she said,”

    Cant wait to see him starting to campaign for a reintroduction of a Carbon Tax or alternatively turbo charge power price increases via an ETS.

  103. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 12:01 pm

    I actually agree with Tony here, the russkies have a habit of sending the warships to G20’s and the like. putin I think needs his entourage.

    But, the reaction by our media is over the top, as usual, and wouldn’t be an issue if yabot hadn’t been a complete moron and decided to shirtfront common decency and make everything a pugilist action.

    I also think that yabot might be needing your evidence soon Tony, as the russkies have called him on his bullshit, and told him to put up or shut up.

    yabot hasn’t yet worked out that this not a union witch hunt set up by his government, where allegations made on the fly are treated as “evidence” by those eagerly awaiting the drip feed of sludge. This is the real world, and statements need to be supported by actual evidence.

    So feel free to help him out in any way possible Tony 😉

  104. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 12:05 pm

    Cant wait to see him starting to campaign for a reintroduction of a Carbon Tax

    Yesterday was a pretty good beginning 😉

  105. November 13, 2014 12:10 pm
  106. November 13, 2014 12:11 pm

    Reb Spamulator 😦 !!!

  107. November 13, 2014 12:18 pm

    No, Vlad, I didn’t call you a shirtlifter. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  108. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 12:20 pm

    When will yabot finally confirm that he has renounced his dual citizenship?

  109. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 12:21 pm
  110. November 13, 2014 12:22 pm

    ””””””””””’Obama’s “deal” with China is purely symbolic, and has no legal force. It will be up to future congresses and presidents whether any of this occurs at all. As for China’s “commitment”, they’re saying they’ll “peak” their carbon emissions by 2030. That is, business as usual for another 16 years.””’#highly-likely #panto

    l tend to agree with y`there Tinfoil`osy, obama won`t be doing `anything` the teabags don`t like from here on in. China, while of course it has problems, in many ways its ahead of washington and canberra.
    ______________________

    (All Hail Nanny Roxon..!!!)

  111. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 12:24 pm

    That image of yabot shirtfonting putin differs from how I recall it Tony

  112. November 13, 2014 12:29 pm

    “When will yabot finally confirm that he has renounced his dual citizenship?”

    Gee, I wonder if he’s a secret Muslim, too?

    #birther

  113. November 13, 2014 12:36 pm

    ””Putin: I see your shirtfront and raise you a shipfront.””#RoFL #brilliant.!!
    _____________________

    ””No, Vlad, I didn’t call you a shirtlifter. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.””
    #well done Tinfoil`osy 🙂
    _____________________

    ””I’m with Stupid #shipfront #shirtfront””#image
    hey ricky, ya`should have added a few of mr-rabbits orange life-boats to that pic 🙂

  114. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 12:37 pm

    l tend to agree with y`there Tinfoil`osy, obama won`t be doing `anything` the teabags don`t like from here on in

    Of course, reality rarely bothers you does it teabagz 😉

    Greenhouse gas emissions in the United States fell to their lowest level in 17 years in 2012, according to a new report from the Environmental Protection Agency.

    http://www.technologyreview.com/news/527106/how-and-why-us-greenhouse-gas-emissions-are-falling/

  115. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 12:40 pm

    #birther

    As the ia story clearly states, nobody is claiming anything about his birth. All they are asking for is the document, required by any and all MP’s, renouncing his previous citizenship.

    It is not the first time an MP has been asked to do this. It is the first time (to my knowledge) that an MP has refused to provide these sorts of details.

    There is no issue with his birth certificate, and no accusations of forgery. Just a refusal to supply a document that must be there somewhere, if it was done correctly.

    Trying to claim a conspiracy is a bit rich. All he need do is produce the document. It really shouldn’t be difficult, should it?

  116. November 13, 2014 12:46 pm

    (All Hail Nanny Roxon..!!!)

    All hail the imbecile 🙄

    Gee, I wonder if he’s a secret Muslim, too?

    Well its pretty simple to address and he would get a shitload of mileage out of it…
    Put up of step down I say…
    Don’t you think people have the right to know if their PM is in office illegally? … Is that the same libertarian logic that says that people should just roll over compliantly have to let assholes drop CSG wells on their property 20 meters from their water supply on a flood plain…?

  117. November 13, 2014 12:49 pm

    ”””””’Your “links” with “evidence” cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that Russia fired the weapon … it may have supplied the weapon – but both Ukraine and Russian rebels use Russian equipment””””#correct

    l am glad somebody else has finally cottoned on to this wee `inconvenient` fact. Now, Does anybody (beyond the tinfoil cubicle) think it is highly negligent and irresponsible to fly commercial aircraft over a hot battlefield.?

  118. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 12:56 pm

    think it is highly negligent and irresponsible to fly commercial aircraft over a hot battlefield.?

    Probably the same sort of numbnuts who think it is a bad thing to try and stop people smoking.

  119. November 13, 2014 1:06 pm

    ”””##obama won`t be doing `anything` the teabags don`t like

    ####—from here on in—####

    Of course, reality rarely bothers you does it teabagz 😉

    emissions in the United States fell to their lowest level in 17 years

    ####—in 2012—####according to”””’epa
    _________

    yeah @TomR that proves me correct, not incorrect,
    (teabags now control congress `and` senate)

  120. November 13, 2014 1:15 pm

    ”””it is a bad thing to try and stop people smoking.”””

    now ya reduced to making shit up TomR, l`ve NEVER said that

  121. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 1:16 pm

    from here on in

    The same things that were said when he came into power teabagz

    runs on hte board, and now, plans for even bigger cuts

    I’ll go with his record rather than your limp briskets

  122. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 1:17 pm

    l`ve NEVER said that

    Oh, so your implications don’t mean shit then

    Just more rabid ramblings with no meaning attached whatsoever

    OK, I’ll go back to simply scrolling your inanities then, nannyteabag

  123. November 13, 2014 1:31 pm

    ”””Oh, so your implications”””

    actually they are yours (or other team-cheerers) implications TomR, not mine, my interest is why/how all these `colored` packs are popping up everywhere, the black market side, dodgey-false-numbers/related-political-spin etc, which l`ve stated plainly many times, it is the team-cheerers that can`t get beyond 1+2(above)

  124. Walrus permalink
    November 13, 2014 1:38 pm

    “…………now ya reduced to making shit up TomR, l`ve NEVER said that”

    Welcome to our world Teabagz…………….LOL

  125. November 13, 2014 1:38 pm

    He’s just got the shits because he pays more for his nico smack and don’t look all windswept and interesting with a gangrenous toe and not a Nordic alpine pack sticking out of the shirtfront of his Lowes Hawaiian shirt
    The old chop chop argument is pretty feeble, up there with Global cooling, Denialism, and coal humanity… its the direct action of defenses.. useless, ineffective, lies and stupid

  126. Walrus permalink
    November 13, 2014 1:48 pm

    “Greenhouse gas emissions in the United States fell to their lowest level in 17 years in 2012, according to a new report from the Environmental Protection Agency. ”

    Yeah………….and its because they are fracking for gas and using it for electricity use and now export the coal that they used to use to China. Thats one reason why the coal price is shit at the moment for high cost curve producers

  127. November 13, 2014 1:53 pm

    ”””’Welcome to our world Teabagz . . . . . LOL”””’
    *sigh* yeah, i know, thankz blubbers 🙂
    ______________

    ””””””’so as we agree on both 1+2, we don`t need to regurgitate them do we.? @TB @Team-cheerers
    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/11/07/rostrum-blasphemy-edition/#comment-82324
    ””””””””””””
    sorry @tomR (1+2 is here/link) not above #mybad

  128. November 13, 2014 2:22 pm

    ”””He’s just got the shits because”””’#NOPE 🙂

    ”””he pays more for his nico smack and””’#WRONG

    Better Stick to`ya photoshop finger-painting ricky if all ya`going to do is be wrong, that`s kneels job.!

    l`ve only ever been a social smoker, probably only ever bought smokes/baccy a dozen times, last time l bought smokes, they were less than 5-bucks, baccy around 8-bucks, fcuking ages ago. The last pack of smokes l had, found`em on the bus-shelter seat about 4-months ago, colored pack, not green. A few days later a mate came over, we had a couple of home-brews and a couple of smokes out of free/found pack. A few days later another mate came over, we had a coffee and a smoke, he was nearly out of smokes, told him to take`em. Since then, probably had about 8-smokes.

    Unfortunately you nanny-roxon team-cheerers aint bright enough to realize the difference between 1-calling horse-shit on the mindless-chanting of dodgey `quitting`numbers regurgitated unchallenged by teabag-media, and, 2-mindless team-cheering.

  129. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2014 3:24 pm

    Welcome to our world Teabagz…………….LOL

    I think “ou

  130. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 13, 2014 3:28 pm

    Welcome to our world Teabagz…………….LOL

    I think “our world” includes spelling & grammar, rationality, humour and some insight. I’ve seen no evidence that Teabagz occupies anything like “our world”

    On the other hand, Tom R has the majority of those characteristics. Teabagz is a F**KWIT whereas Tom R is capable of providing some challenge.

  131. November 13, 2014 3:29 pm

    Fuck You

  132. November 13, 2014 3:41 pm

    Unfortunately you nanny-roxon team-cheerers aint bright enough to realize the difference between…. to inane to bother.. blah…

    What sanctimonious diatribe bollocking drivel… you are obviously taking the piss as nobody, not even squeal could be so bone ignorant and incredulously stupid…

    You are king cheer leader for the knuckle dragging un-evolved high horse riding faux out rage brigade…

  133. Tom R permalink
    November 13, 2014 3:57 pm

    1-calling horse-shit on the mindless-chanting of dodgey `quitting`numbers regurgitated unchallenged by teabag-media, and, 2-mindless team-cheering.

    Funny, cos your mindless-chanting of dodgey ‘I see coloured packs’ and equating that with nanny states is just what the mindless cheerleaders in ltdnews do on a recurring basis, all with the sole purpose of undermining the policy. Which sounded exactly like you were doing. Try and be a bit more informative in your posts if you want people to try and understand from which direction you are coming, or else, don’t fucken complain when they don’t. As it stands, you are indistinguishable on this count from any number of ltdnews columnists or churnalists. Are you perhaps looking for a gig? It also smacks of another famous past resident who claimed the Barrier Reef was just fine and dandy cos it looked just fine and dandy through him and his mates goggles. Did you perchance download the same research grant as he did?

    Or are you just desperate to throw up any kind of meaningless garbage in your never ending quest to “hate ’em all”, regardless of fact or reality?

    I’ll stick with the facts as presented by the actual figures and note that, if this has worked or not, it is at least policy with the best for our country in mind, and, anything that gets up the ass of the big bacci companies is a win in my book

    But you stick with counting boxes in the Gutter and calling petty little names to a person who has done far more for the betterment of the country than any number of mindless non-sheering anarchists ever could dream of

  134. Meta permalink
    November 13, 2014 4:12 pm

    (Presumably, transborder leakages of product, which dodge requisite customs and excise duties, creating grey- and black-markets, are about the last thing which horizontally- and vertically-integrated multinational conglomerates operating in, through, and across plethora territories and jurisdictions would want, because that would do little for the bottom-line(s), anyhow or anywhere.)

  135. November 13, 2014 4:22 pm

  136. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 13, 2014 4:24 pm

    “…BTW, Lenore Taylor is a(n) journalactivist…”

    Could you cite some examples of her ‘activism’ ?

    When you’re so unreceptive to anything other than right wing propaganda, I can see how straight reporting might look like activism.

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 13, 2014 4:26 pm

    Journalactavist??

    How do you know if she’s lactating anyway?

  138. November 13, 2014 6:38 pm

    True anti-AGW zealots would be disgusted with Abbott’s lip service to doing ‘something’ (of little consequence, except to the bottom line) about AGW, because well…he’s still (intellectually fraudulently) pretending to entertain the idea that AGW is an issue at all (like a cynical political animal who is fully aware that he can’t just outright denounce it, even if that’s what he thinks).

    The anti-zealots think they’ve ‘won’… GUfuckingFFAW!!!

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/13/emissions-reduction-tony-abbott-says-australia-is-acting-not-talking

    Mmmm, mmmmm…that sauced shit sandwich looks mighty tasty, give em three.

  139. November 13, 2014 6:42 pm

    “The anti-zealots think they’ve ‘won’… GUfuckingFFAW!!!”

    I know it’s hilarious!!

    Look at Abbott faltering around trying to say something, anything that makes him look remotely relevant – he’s been snookered fair and square and anything he says just makes him look more desperate…

    Meanwhile Greg “rhyming slang” Hunt’s gone into hiding, and Joe the Hockey is embarrassing himself every time he opens his luxuriously proportioned gob…

    This so-called “govt” is a complete joke and the laughing stock of the world. The only thing that’s funnier is witnessing the usual suspects here attempt to defend their actions…..!!

    Oh how we pissed ourselves laughing! 🙂

  140. November 13, 2014 6:43 pm

    “True anti-AGW zealots would be disgusted with Abbott’s lip service to doing ‘something’”

    Correct.

  141. TB Queensland permalink
    November 13, 2014 8:21 pm

    Unfortunately you nanny-roxon team-cheerers aint bright enough to realize …

    LOL! You have no idea what that little rant tells us, tbagz …

    Hi. my name is TB and I am an ex-smoker … for 13,505 days!

    I felt like a smoke for nine years after I went cold turkey (the ONLY way to quit) … (I started when I was 11!)

    And had you not included TB in your first blurb about plain packaging ….

  142. November 13, 2014 10:00 pm

    ”””nanny states is just what the mindless cheerleaders in ltdnews do”””

    # Fascinating TomR. Quite frankly l couldn`t give fcuk what Limited-News do, l never go to their site/s off my own bat, only follow links other folks drop, (eg-TB-you)

    ”””mindless cheerleaders in ltdnews do”””#correct-(as-above)

    Having said that, l acknowledge Limited-News, Teabags, even kneel can manage to be reasonably correct from time to time.

    (Much in the way that Even broken clocks manage to be correct twice a day.)

    (and over-looked by team-cheerers)
    ____________________

    ”””Hi. my name is TB and I am an ex-smoker”””
    Still stuck in that groove.? #senior-moments.?

  143. November 13, 2014 10:10 pm

    ””””’This so-called “govt” is a complete joke and the laughing stock of the world. The only thing that’s funnier is witnessing the usual suspects here attempt to defend their actions.!!””””#correct

    #and the best part is their buffoonery is not limited to one particular topic, #stupidity all-round

  144. November 13, 2014 10:30 pm

    (For Certain; just as horizontally and vertically-integrated multinational conglomerates bottom-line(s) `shrink` or `un-shrink` during wore-on-drugs `ice` production in shaded-markets; we can stick with the (non)facts as presented by the actual (non)figures produced at the Australian Burro of Surveys #ABS and their solid (un)employment surveys. lt is at least policy with the best for our country in mind, and, anything that gets up the ass of the big bacci companies is a win in my book.)

  145. November 13, 2014 10:49 pm

    ”””The anti-zealots think they’ve ‘won”””

    are you `really` claiming the deniers have lost dunny.?

  146. Meta permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:29 am

    (Speaking quasi-mock-seriously of the war(s)-on-whatever(s), and of the cultivated hand-in-glove of big whole-salers’ and governmental monopoly-makers’ (ad)mass market-gardens, the habitual stuff might not even be anything alike the original/traditional/ethnobotanical/ceremonial stuff.)

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2014 9:07 am


    A THIRD Australian warship has been dispatched to intercept a Russian flotilla steaming towards the G20 summit in Brisbane and a fourth navy vessel is ready to divert to the area.

    The replenishment ship HMAS Sirius is heading into the Coral Sea to support the frigates HMAS Parramatta and HMAS Stuart and the frigate HMAS Sydney is preparing to divert from an exercise in New Zealand to join the mission, according to a government source

    It looks like WAR!!

  148. Walrus permalink
    November 14, 2014 9:32 am

    “”It looks like WAR!!””

    And I bet our entire mighty fleet of Australian built Collins Class Submarines are stalking the Ruskie ships from great depths as we speak……… each one assigned to its own target……………. each one carefully adjusting the fire control formula for the rain of terror that our deluge of torpedoes will unleah upon those hammer and sickle waving cabbage munching vodka swilling Ruskies if they dare make one false move.

    What’s that leaking sound I hear…………………………………..whats that hammering sound……………………….did someone say something about poor build quality and continual maintenance………?

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2014 10:19 am

    What utter, selfish nonsense to perpetrate on a city … any city … how the fk does this help Brisbane …? Just more cost to taxpayers …

    If they want to have a fkn talkfest/holiday we have plenty of islands just of the coast – much easier to protect too … unless the Russian Navy is on the loose I guess …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/g20-brisbane-2014-this-is-what-a-ghost-town-looks-like/story-e6frflo9-1227122713748

    =============================================

    ”””Hi. my name is TB and I am an ex-smoker”””
    Still stuck in that groove.? #senior-moments.?</I.

    Tock …

  150. November 14, 2014 3:30 pm

    ””””””’What utter, selfish nonsense to perpetrate on a city … any city … how the fk does this help Brisbane …? Just more cost to taxpayers”””””””

    Hah, on TV-newz last night, there was some biz-owners complaining bitterly that they had to close shop during the talkfest. #NotHappy

    This seems about right.

  151. Walrus permalink
    November 14, 2014 3:35 pm

    “Walking around Southbank, one could be forgiven for thinking the zombie apocalypse had begun.”

    Was TB spotted taking a stroll thru the City ?

  152. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2014 4:53 pm

    Was TB spotted taking a stroll thru the City ?

    Nup … I avoid city centres like the plague … I was never a shiny arse … in fact when I did go into the CBD for business, the fkn uniform drove me up the wall … grey, pin-stripe, tailor made, woollen suit ($600 worth! In 1992), white silk shirt and cufflinks, red, silk tie and gold RAEME tie pin … shiny black half boots – luckily that was only about once a month … rest of the time it was jeans, denim shirt and steel capped boots on the mine-sites … or daggy comfy shorts and shirt in the office at home …

  153. November 14, 2014 5:01 pm

    “white silk shirt and cufflinks, red, silk tie and gold RAEME tie pin …”

    Oh sure.

  154. November 14, 2014 5:35 pm

    Don’t mean to Harp on the Bizarre.. but what the ?

  155. Walrus permalink
    November 14, 2014 5:48 pm

    “Oh sure”

    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…………………………..I want a shirt like that

  156. Walrus permalink
    November 14, 2014 5:50 pm

    “Don’t mean to Harp on the Bizarre.. but what the ?”

    Hypothetically speaking……………where does one find an inflatable doll like that ?

    If I wanted one that is ?

  157. November 14, 2014 6:05 pm

    Classic Lenore (but not in a good way) or maybe its the editor,

    ”””””##-We-## have been shouting so long and so loudly about how #we had to avoid getting “ahead of the world”, hyperventilating about how a relatively modest carbon tax would end economic life as #we knew it (even after it was introduced and it didn’t) that #we seemed not to notice #we were in fact being left behind.””””

    Watery, weak language again, look at all those fcuking `we`s. Every single one of them should be replaced with `teabag-imbeciles`, as it is they that threw the anti-science tantrum with their small following of cranks. Geesh, and journalism wonders why the public are fleeing it. They desperately need to develop a backbone and `sell` the story.

    Armchair found this tweet,

    and there is more testicles in the tweet, than Lenores whole post.

    The heading/title
    ””””””””””””’Pressure on Australia to slash emissions – but no cost-effective policy to get us there”””””””'(probably by editor)

    What `pressure`.? Does Lenor/editor really think mr-rabbit is under pressure.? The people that are, and will continue to feel squeezed, is those at the bottom economically. They are also the people that will feel the `pressure` to have renew`s installed and get off the grid.

  158. November 14, 2014 6:13 pm

    ”””where does one find an inflatable doll like that ?”””

    So blubblers, you have a boner for Joolee huh.?
    (or are you asking for Tinfoil`osy`s benefit.?)

  159. November 14, 2014 6:34 pm

    That vest would go real nice with these Brisbane Wedding Shoes.

  160. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2014 6:59 pm

    Ya wouldn’t find them up there tosy, too hot. Those things are Melbourne attire (even bogons from ‘lizbeth won’t go near them)

    look at all those fcuking `we`s.

    I blame all the beer O_o

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:02 pm

    Oh sure.

    LOL!

    I don’t mind setting ’em up for youse … but Would I Lie To You … TRUE!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hypothetically speaking……………where does one find an inflatable doll like that ?

    If I wanted one that is ?

    Great gift for the “lesbian” friend you mentioned, Wally, wink, wink, say, namoor .. 😉

    ==============================

    That vest would go real nice with these Brisbane Wedding Shoes.

    WTF! ToSY … are they ALIVE?

    They actually look loke black Melbourne fatburger shoes to me …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And finally … *clink* … I’m enjoying a Friday WT & soda …

    … and for the smart arses – ’tis only one WT a week now (as some here know, it used to be 2-3 a night) … lost 10 kilos this year (with the 5 k walk 7 days a week too) … and our fitness soared – as we both discovered on our recent SE Asia trip, we left 30/40 yo’s behind … 😈

  162. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:02 pm

    What `pressure`.?

    Well, with the abolition of the Emissions Trading Scheme comes the death of Australian mining (I thought it was supposed to work the other way round?

    8000 coal miners forced to take leave

    http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-business/8000-coal-miners-forced-to-take-leave-20141114-3kb1a.html

    (Reuters) – India, the world’s third-largest buyer of overseas coal, may be able to stop imports of power-generating thermal coal in the next three years as state behemoth Coal India steps up production, Power and Coal Minister Piyush Goyal said on Wednesday.

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/11/12/india-coal-imports-idINKCN0IW0FJ20141112

    The last also relates to Tony’s post further back up the thread I think.

  163. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:05 pm

    lost 10 kilos this year

    Thanks a fckn lot, cos I think I found them 😉

    But well done TB. Never too late to get back into it (I keep telling myself)

  164. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:08 pm

    Does Lenor/editor really think mr-rabbit is under pressure.?

    Dunno, you don’t think this puts his grubmint under pressure?

    The huge potential impact of Chinese decarbonisation on Australian commodity exports shows once and for all the short-sighted folly of the Abbott government’s attempts to leave climate off the G20 agenda. Climate will be the defining trend of the global economy in coming decades. When Abbott and Hockey argue that the environment is somehow not an economic issue, they are recklessly jeopardising the future of Australian living standards.

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/11/13/china-us-climate-deal-means-jig-abbotts-deniers

  165. November 14, 2014 7:12 pm

    “When Abbott and Hockey argue that the environment is somehow not an economic issue, they are recklessly jeopardising the future of Australian living standards.”

  166. Tom R permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:14 pm

    Good rebuttal Tony 😯

    Back at ya 😉

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2014 7:18 pm

    Never too late to get back into it

    Is that another ageist remark? TR .. 🙄

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ToSY, does that show yer cat struggling to breathe?

  168. November 14, 2014 7:30 pm

    “Good rebuttal Tony 😯 ”

    Merely offering my opinion of that person’s opinion.

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    November 14, 2014 8:11 pm

    Noice ta see you have an opinion, ToSY 😉

  170. November 14, 2014 8:19 pm

    Yeah, no worries TB. Have you got an opinion on the question I asked you yesterday? You know, the one about the precedents for Russian warships shadowing their leader at various international meetings, which would debunk your argument that they are here because of Abbott’s comments.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/11/12/the-ultimate-humiliation-of-the-abbott-govt-us-and-china-reach-carbon-emissions-deal/#comment-83033

  171. November 14, 2014 8:35 pm

    “Those scientists. They can land a probe on a comet, but are completely wrong about climate change.”

    Oh, I get it. If scientists are right about one thing, they can never be wrong about anything else.

    #logicfail

  172. November 14, 2014 8:39 pm

    Rocket scientists ≠ climate “scientists”

  173. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 14, 2014 9:05 pm

    I see that the ATAR score to enrol in Environmental Science is about 70. So it certainly isn’t rocket science.

  174. November 14, 2014 9:13 pm

    I think these are rocket surgeons …

  175. bbob permalink
    November 15, 2014 1:06 am

    Abbott just got shirt fronted by our major security ally and our major resources trading partner, maybe Tony should spend less time on the personal aggression approach to politics, the great Putin showdown looks lot like the anti Gillard years, and actually talk to the rather more important people about what they want to discuss at international summits held in our country.

  176. November 15, 2014 1:42 am

    “Don’t mean to Harp on the Bizarre.. but what the ?”
    Hypothetically speaking……………where does one find an inflatable doll like that ?
    If I wanted one that is ?

    That shot was taken at Base Warehouse Alexandria apparently… hypothetically speaking 😯

  177. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 7:56 am

    Blob Spurtin 😆

    Hey! o_O

  178. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 7:58 am

    does that show yer cat struggling to breathe?

    I thought it was a picture of yabot

  179. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 8:08 am

    Wow Meta, just wow!

    Did our minister for the people who weren’t really here before us, apparently, just say this??

    It’s hard to think that back in 1788 [Sydney] was nothing but bush and that the marines and the convicts and sailors … must have thought they had come almost to the moon.

    So, the indigenous population living in what was to become Sydney are now classified as nothing but bush ?

    The disrespect and ignorance of this tool is limitless really isn’t it. 😡

    How I hang my head in shame that such an ignorant and inept wanker got to be in charge of this country 😦

  180. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 8:50 am

    So, hows that keeping Climate Change off the G20 working for ya yabot?

    G20: Obama to pledge up to $3bn to help poor countries on climate change

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/nov/14/barack-obama-to-pledge-at-least-25bn-to-help-poor-countries-fight-climate-change

    Our grubmint is really starting to look irrelevant to what is actually going to take place there, doesn’t it?

  181. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 15, 2014 10:02 am

    I will only believe an Australian govt believes in climate change when they stop exporting coal and natural gas.

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 10:11 am

    ToSY,

    “PETER LEAHY: Well, I think [the naval display] is a demonstration of power but I’d say it’s a less than subtle demonstration of power.

    We’ve seen this happen before off Singapore for an APEC meeting in 2009, we’ve seen it in a meeting off San Francisco in 2010. So it’s fairly routine. He’s the leader of a large power, he’s probably making sure of his own security concerns. It’s back up to back up.”

    Well its “a less than subtle demonstration of power” and Putin is the only head of state to bring part of his navy … in the business world and I suspect world politics its the perception that may often be more important than reality … FYI information that cruiser alone could probably cripple the RAN in about 20 minutes …

    Whether Russia has deployed ships in past is irrelevant … they’re doing it now … and for the first time … on our patch!

    How many other heads of state have been followed by warships to the pimple on the world’s bum?

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 10:13 am

    I will only believe an Australian govt believes in climate change when they stop exporting coal and natural gas.

    Wow! “… an Australian government … ”

    Its usually a lying, cheating ALP government … but yer getting the hang of it, Kneel …

    Problem we have is that we need an alternative income source …

    Agriculture and tourism seem to be the obvious ones …

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 10:16 am

    How I hang my head in shame that such an ignorant and inept wanker got to be in charge of this country 😦

    Well … that’s two of us, TR, … not a bad start, hey?

  185. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2014 10:29 am

    I think people can get a little too sensitive about comments like “Sydney was just bush”

    In terms of the physical landscape, that’s an entirely reasonable observation. Sydney has changed from being bush to an attractive harbour city, and making that observation really shouldn’t get anyone upset and certainly shouldn’t be seen as a slight on indigenous people.

  186. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 10:49 am

    I think people can get a little too sensitive about comments like “Sydney was just bush”

    Yea, to be completely written out of history, again (how many times has he done it now?) is just being ‘precious’ isn’t it.

    In terms of the physical landscape

    So, the Indigenous population there didn’t leave any mark?

    Nothing but bush my arse. And I would have expected far better from you on this topic Tom. Your posts on Aboriginal matters have always been quite lucid and informative.

  187. November 15, 2014 10:51 am

    “” Your posts on Aboriginal matters have always been quite lucid and informative.””

    Yes, but that was quite some time ago, and ToM’s not getting any younger…

  188. November 15, 2014 11:04 am

    Coincidentally I had dinner with the neighbours last night. One of them is a guy in his sixties who I suspect may have early onset alzheimer’s or dementia or something. He found it difficult to string a sentence together and had difficulty with memory recall.

    He obviously found it quite frustrating. He was like this a few months ago but his condition seems to have deteriorated a bit.

  189. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 11:05 am

    and ToM’s not getting any younger…

    Is that another ageist remark? reb .. 🙄

    I thought they were reserved for TB 😉

  190. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 11:23 am

    Well … that’s two of us, TR, … not a bad start, hey?

    Three?

    While not surprised by his comments, I am outraged.

    I am outraged that a man of this unashamed racial intolerance holds the leadership position of this nation.

    I am outraged that he uses this platform to manifestly attempt to rewrite history and decimate any progress made historically towards closing the gap, self-determination and reconciliation.

    I am outraged that his entire platform of economic policy was based on scaremongering without any substance.

    https://independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/british-tony-australias-white-supremacist-prime-minister,7094

  191. November 15, 2014 11:38 am

  192. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2014 11:40 am

    I think Abbott could be more sensitive on occasions, as could everyone. But it seems almost demeaning to take offence every time someone is ever so slightly insensitive.

    To any rational observer, the Sydney landscape was mainly bush, it was undeveloped, there were no permanent structures (in the way most people would use the term).

    To have to put in some wordy qualification every time a casual observation is made about the change to a city landscape over the course of 226 years is over the top.
    ———-
    ***…and I continue to make rational observations about indigenous culture, note the one on the Mindfulness thread recently, and to correct Meta, the paper I linked was an international one, a collaborative effort by Australian and Canadian researchers.

    It just happens that one of the centres for indigenous research and leadership is in Canada.

  193. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 12:06 pm

    I thought they were reserved for TB … tick, tock, tick … 😉

  194. November 15, 2014 12:07 pm

    “How I hang my head in shame that such an ignorant and inept wanker got to be in charge of this country 😦 ”

    No need to be ashamed if you didn’t vote for him. That’s your precious democracy at work.

    Speaking as someone who did vote for him (well, not him, exactly, but his party’s candidate in my area), I’m not ashamed, either. This indignant outrage at anything and everything Abbott says or does is way over the top, and is getting just a little bit tiresome. And guess what, it’s coming from people who voted for the other side, and lost. How surprising.

    Get over it.

  195. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 15, 2014 12:44 pm

    “…I think Abbott could be more sensitive on occasions, as could everyone. But it seems almost demeaning to take offence every time someone is ever so slightly insensitive…”

    A nation’s leader shouldn’t be insensitive, every remark should be measured and checked for any offence. That is why he gets paid the big bikkies and has so many media spinners on staff, to ensure he always says the right things on every occasion – it’s his fkn job!

    I think it is deliberately done, it’s happened too many times not to be. He leads a party and a following of racist bigots (and bolt must be appeased), it is a calculated insult under cover of ‘insensitive’.

    You look for any reason to excuse him.

  196. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 15, 2014 12:48 pm

    “…But Mr Abbott did not mention the hundreds of Aboriginal nations who made this land home for almost 60,000 years, who managed the vast swathes of country under an extraordinary and complex land management system that incorporated aspects of their spirituality.

    He also did not mention that the belief there was nothing in Australia but bush was overturned in the 1992 Mabo High Court decision, which paved the way for the Native Title Act, a weaker form of land rights…”

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/11/14/tony-abbott-says-‘nothing-bush’-australia-white-settlement

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2014 1:07 pm

    I think it’s time to get less offended. It’s that simple, there are too many people constantly looking for new ways to perceive every comment as a slight.

    Every city in Australasia, North America, South America (probably other than Cusco) was built on areas that were inhabited by indigenous people. In describing Manhattan as a developed and hugely populated city, I’m not sure I’d expect every politician to add the proviso that it was inhabited prior to the 1600s.

    Qualifying every comment about development on most continents with ”but in saying this is a developed city/country, I’d like to pay my respects to the pre existing indigenous population…who were inhabitants for… and …. and …” (or something of a similar platitude)… would be a particularly stark example of pointless lip service at its worst.

  198. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 15, 2014 1:27 pm

  199. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 1:29 pm

    A nation’s leader shouldn’t be insensitive, every remark should be measured and checked for any offence. That is why he gets paid the big bikkies and has so many media spinners on staff, to ensure he always says the right things on every occasion – it’s his fkn job!

    I think it is deliberately done, it’s happened too many times not to be. He leads a party and a following of racist bigots (and bolt must be appeased), it is a calculated insult under cover of ‘insensitive’.

    Wot AO said, with interest!

    Except, I’m absolutely convinced it’s deliberately done.

    ➡ Tent City should just move on
    ➡ The First Australian were sent here by English Judges
    ➡ the First Fleet was the defining moment in the history of this continent
    ➡ the then unsettled or, um, scarcely settled, Great South Land

    And this is our fucken minster for Aborigine’s 😯

    Here’s a hint. Look at these two speeches, and, with the “minster for Aborigine’s” in mind, see if you can find a glaring differentiation.

    http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2014-11-14/address-parliament-house-representatives-parliament-house

    http://billshorten.com.au/remarks-welcoming-prime-minister-cameron

    Perhaps there’s a reason for the Protocol for Recognising Traditional Owners. Is it just so the “minster for Aborigine’s” wouldn’t constantly forget about his direct constituents?

    I was wrong, I not ashamed, I’m FUCKEN OUTRAGED!

    As should be anyone who gives half a flying fuck about inclusiveness and fairness.

    It’s no surprise that that isn’t this mob of shitfronters

    “The Australian government has refused to commit to inclusive growth and does not acknowledge the impact of inequality on growth. Financial institutions and many other G20 governments do recognise the issue as a threat to growth and among them is next year’s host, Turkey,” said Oxfam spokeswoman Claire Spoors.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/13/g20-australia-brisbane-tax-avoidance-free-trade-energy-infrastructure

  200. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 15, 2014 3:11 pm

    Dido abbott acknowledge our first Australians in welcome to country, does anyone know?

    I’d be interested to know if his ‘insensitivity’ continues

  201. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 3:23 pm

    Ao, as above 😉

    Here’s a hint. Look at these two speeches, and, with the “minster for Aborigine’s” in mind, see if you can find a glaring differentiation.

    http://www.pm.gov.au/media/2014-11-14/address-parliament-house-representatives-parliament-house

    http://billshorten.com.au/remarks-welcoming-prime-minister-cameron

  202. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 4:22 pm

    And to add to the obvious insensitive nature of the Liberal Party … it wasn’t Howard who apologised to the keepers of country … and its significant also that there is only6 ONE WOMAN in our present Cabinet …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    ”but in saying this is a developed city/country, I’d like to pay my respects to the pre existing indigenous population”

    And therein lies the problem I guess ToM … ” … would be a particularly stark example of pointless lip service at its worst …”

    It may be to you … but not the Aboriginals I know and have worked with …

    I agree with TR’s, comments earlier about your comments in the past concerning Aboriginal issue being compassionate and empathetic …

    It seems since The Abbott has come to power you have become somewhat apathetic in promoting the cause for Aboriginals in deference to the ideological platform of the LNP.

    Now run I might add by very right wing tories …

    Now, how does evil exist again?

  203. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 4:37 pm

    Here’s a hint. Look at these two speeches, and, with the “minster for Aborigine’s” in mind, see if you can find a glaring differentiation.

    There’s history and there’s Anglophilia …

    The Abbott really IS cringe-worthy … or is it Credlin …

    … a Roads (sic) Scholar alright … ’cause that all he’s good for … studying bitumen and tar …

  204. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2014 5:04 pm

    I think over about the past 6 or 7 years I’ve been to perhaps 10 mining and business conferences. A number begin with a ‘welcome to country’.

    It was lip service, pointless and insincere. It did nothing.

    Repeating it over and over diminished the respect, taking offence at every opportunity also diminishes the legitimate grievances and offenses.

  205. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 5:07 pm

    The Minister is interested in a Nutribullet or the Nutriblast or some shit … so I set out to check some reviews …

    This is the first one I came across … and immediately thought of you lot … LOL! 😆

    https://doesthisshitwork.wordpress.com/tag/nutriblast/

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 5:14 pm

    It was lip service, pointless and insincere.

    WTF would go to TEN! mining conferences … FMD … they’re as boring as shit … especially now I don’t any presentations … 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Rio Tinto did respect for the local Aboriginal people well in Weipa, when I worked as a training consultant for them* … some times patronising but that’s individuals … and realtes to the conference “openers” too, ToM …

    *late 20th early 21st centuries … 😉

  207. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 15, 2014 5:24 pm

    “Except, I’m absolutely convinced it’s deliberately done.”

    It does not happen TomR but i agree with you. Unlike other leaders who use speech writers, Abbott claims to write his own speeches. And he would know what he says may offend some people, maybe even lots of Aboriginal people even if what he said is true. But speaking the truth maybe more helpful than false comments.

    Fact is Sydney Harbor was bushland when the First Fleet arrived.

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2014 5:25 pm

    “WTF would go to TEN!”

    I give speeches from time to timeTB, in your day you probably would have been part of my audience, listening intently and maybe learning.

  209. November 15, 2014 5:32 pm

    That’s a fascinating blog TB! 🙂

  210. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 5:34 pm

    Fact is Sydney Harbor was bushland when the First Fleet arrived.

    I AGREE!

    But, was it “nothing but bush”?

    And, yomm, like I said, having “lip service” is there for tools like yabot who forget about people he is supposed to be remembering.

    So, even with “lip service” yabot still ignores them

    It MUST be deliberate.

  211. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 15, 2014 5:40 pm

    “I AGREE!”

    Well there is a first. And it happened on 15/11/2014.

  212. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 5:51 pm

    That’s a fascinating blog TB!

    I must confess the first thin g that went though my mind as I chortled, was, “wee, Jummy’ll luuv theus!”

    I only got to the third paragraph – my eyes were watering so much …

  213. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 6:03 pm

    Obama begins by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land and paying my respects elders, past and present

    But yabot sees nothing but Bush, just yearnin’ fer a Rhode!

    Well there is a first. And it happened on 15/11/2014.

    Yep, mark the date. nil got a fact right 😉

  214. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2014 6:06 pm

    Hello Fuckers, It’s that time of year and everyone is looking to get those special people in their lives something for Christmas. For me, I like to gift like that old joke and get them a pair of slippers and a dildo, because if they don’t like the slippers they can go Fuck themselves!

    Seems friendly.

  215. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 6:08 pm

    listening intently and maybe learning.

    Yep, listening to a cranky old man harp on about “that Harpy” who stole his lunch money ( ❤ ), and how business can become profitable simply by investing in chains and whips

  216. November 15, 2014 6:12 pm

    What a fucking Moron…. Seriously he speaks jaggedly, socially awkwardly ,uncomfortably and always about himself… Abbott speaks like he has a brain injury….
    He cannot freestyle for shit and the inspirational magnetism of rotting lawn clippings…

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/11/15/abbott-opening-remarks-weird-and-graceless-shorten

    Abbott writes his own speaches…Fuck that is hilarious… ROTFL
    He has a team of around 12 (a full time and part time pool) and 16 researchers…
    No leader writes their own speeches completely… even PJK used the occasional scribe.
    It’s actually physically impossible to do so lucidly and attend to business…

    Abbott is no Oritor nor writer..battlines is a testament to that…It has been revised 12 times and was very very heavily edited before hand…
    Abbott is an international embarrassment and a fiscal illiterate. Economic liberalisation (what does that even mean???? privatising and selling everything that ismt bolted down to his mates??) and free market economics ( the Darwinian principal of market domination by stealth that promotes local and global cartels) are his mantra yet he neither understands nor practices these principals.

    More Gems from trough man the dream piss catcher

    But speaking the truth maybe more helpful than false comments.

    You are defending Abbott as truthful? ..yeah he’s the suppository of all wisdom when it comes to the truth.. Lets see how he goes at the next election when tested on honesty.. lied his way into office and just keeps breaking election promises.. he is a pathological liar.

    I will only believe an Australian govt believes in climate change when they stop exporting coal and natural gas.

    Congratulations…Possibly your most moronic comment to date..

    I’m not ashamed, either. This indignant outrage at anything and everything Abbott says or does is way over the top, and is getting just a little bit tiresome. And guess what, it’s coming from people who voted for the other side, and lost. How surprising.
    Get over it.

    Tony I have just worked out by virtue of that comment that you are a facile fuckwit… Yeah he has a mandate to lie his way into power and break all his election promises does he?

    I can tell you here and no there are a lot of people who voted Liberal who are like me; centrist conservatives with a sense of social justice …

    These are the people who will punish Abbott for his undisclosed dishonest ideological social engineering. The faster the Liberal party reclaim liberalism from the teabag radical , religious free marketeers, the better. Most rational liberals are appalled and dismayed by this radical claiming to be a conservative…

  217. November 15, 2014 6:20 pm

    “Hello Fuckers”

    That’s gold!

  218. November 15, 2014 6:49 pm

    So I have been using this for a couple of weeks now and I have to say that I still love this thing. So much, I would let it fuck my sister!

    I have lost about 8 pounds from doing not much more than having 2 of these things a day. I have a lot more energy (not red bull energy but a nice clear, calm, awake energy) and my shits come out in massive, soft piles instead of the usual razor blade covered, rock hard black ropes that used to come out!

    Another negative would be that for the first week you do have to take it slow or you might shit out your lungs

    Priceless Pissing myself

    I would buy one based on that review alone 🙂

  219. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 7:04 pm

    I give speeches from time to timeTB, in your day you probably would have been part of my audience, listening intently and maybe learning.

    Ooops … indeed, ToM, as I do now … reading and learning intently … the content is one of the reasons I enjoy commenting here … 😉

    Maybe the link for the Nutribullet review by “doesthis shit work” might inspire you …

    BTW … did I tell you that mining industry seminars (in particular) are as boring as shite!

    TB score

    Absolute waste of money! Unless you make a “sales” contact … and that’s rare ’cause the real movers and shakers avoid ’em like the fkn plague …

    BTW, ToM, you must be a big fan of The Walking Dead?

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 7:09 pm

    I would buy one based on that review alone

    Me to, RP, but I read out the first couple of paras to The Minister … (the giggling didn’t help my presentation) … she said quite the opposite … a resounding … NO!

    Well she was born in Friesland … and the Vikings always were a conservative lot … (not politically though – thank the fella that launched into space from the crucifix! The first socialist … WTF happened?)

  221. November 15, 2014 7:22 pm

    “I can tell you here and no there are a lot of people who voted Liberal who are like me; centrist conservatives with a sense of social justice …”

    You got a link for that?

    Seriously though, Ricky. You’ve never said anything that would distinguish you from any other rusted-on Labor barracker, who would criticise anything and everything said or done by the “other” side”, no matter what.

    Just admit it. Or photoshop it.

    Whatever floats ya boat.

    BTW, I think you mean ‘here and *now*’. 😉

  222. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 7:28 pm

    no matter what.

    Yep, so even if our resident racist redneck in charge disagrees with the rest of the world, it’s just ‘a Labor thing” ❓ 😯

    Got it 😉

  223. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 7:32 pm

    Even yabots friends aren’t doing him favours.

    And who’d have thunk, he even lied to us about Ebola. The depths yabot navigates makes even James Cameron nervous?

    Australia pledged Ebola workers three weeks before telling public, David Cameron reveals

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-pledged-ebola-workers-three-weeks-before-telling-public-david-cameron-reveals-20141114-11n0a8.html#ixzz3J59UPOu3

  224. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 7:34 pm

    A headline that will send coloured pack counters into a spin no doubt 😉

    Australia put cigarettes in standardized packs with graphic labels — and they’re working

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/11/12/australia-put-graphic-labels-on-cigarette-packs-and-theyre-working/?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost&v=

  225. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 7:35 pm

    And you would hope this is not true? But really, would you put it past them?

  226. November 15, 2014 7:41 pm

    “And you would hope this is not true? But really, would you put it past them?”

    Yes, I would,

    But you’re nothing, if not predictable,

    #believeanythingifitconfirmsmyprolaborprejudices

  227. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 7:53 pm

    Yes, I would,

    Hope it’s not true, or put it past them?

  228. TB Queensland permalink
    November 15, 2014 8:01 pm

    Yes, I would,

    Got a link for that?

  229. Tom R permalink
    November 15, 2014 8:20 pm

    Got a link for that?

    😆 😆

  230. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 15, 2014 8:45 pm

    “Petty and stingy Abbott denies G20 access for Tanya Plibersek after wanting ALP to get behind

    Perhaps this is normal. I did a quick google search and G20 is a meeting for leaders. Shorten has complete access.

  231. November 15, 2014 8:55 pm

    “”you’re nothing, if not predictable””

    Oh the irony….. 🙄

  232. November 15, 2014 9:00 pm

    “Oh the irony….. 🙄 ”

    It burns.

  233. November 15, 2014 10:34 pm

    Seriously though, Ricky. You’ve never said anything that would distinguish you from any other rusted-on Labor barracker

    Really that’s an interesting assumption….. Very typical of the division spouted by the delusional masses that voted for Abbott…

    1 I resigned from the Labor party as I work for other people and professionally cannot have a conflict of interest. I am old Labor and old :Labor values

    The right of the party as Liberal light influenced by free market economics and neo conservatism is at odds with my core values. It does not represent me any more. I refuse to vote in a block. Both parties have alienated their membership through branch stacking and treachery that would make Putin look like a rank amateur.

    2 There were numerous attempts by Arbib, Rosendal and Carr to have me expelled from the Labor party when I exposed their bullshit

    3 I consider Abbott above all to be unworthy and ideologically incapable of governing for the majority.. at the moment he is hanging on for grim death.. and you may notice he has stopped using the term “mandate” He is the most unpopular leader since McMahon.

    4.. What a fucking child, do you think this is a game? The trouble with people like you Tony is you don’t fucking stand for anything, treating politics like a football match.,..

    5..
    Please give me a status report ion how you think Abbott and his humongously incompetent government are going…?
    Not too bloody well above the rhetorical bullshit and lies according to every major political commentator, economist and the electorate at large…. Abbot is out of his depth and unworthy. His policies, actions and stupidity speak for themselves. He is uninspiring, lacks vision and swings with popularity as a combatant …

    Abbott is great at lying and hammering out a slogan but when pressed what he actually stands for ….Battlelines is it… Did you read it? Fuck me…most who voted for him didn’t, they got the telegraph version of reinvented Abbott and now the paints peeling off they are shocked.

    I didn’t like him in 1979 and I sure as fuck don’t like him now. How you could vot for him say much about your political judgement.

    Do I have a ling for it.. no just the fact that he is -19 and plummeting and they are consistently trailing Labor 7-10 points with the worst leadership choice the ALP have had since Latham in Shortman

    I treat both parties with the contempt they deserve, but Abbott consistently blows me away day after day.. even ;I knowing about his past back at the SRC as Santatmarias sycophant messenger bum boy bound for buggery school.. could not have picked the magnitude of his treacherous regressive fuctartdery

  234. Meta permalink
    November 15, 2014 11:32 pm

    (“Even yabots friends aren’t doing him favours.”

    By the reads of it, the Foreign Affairs Ministerthing capably discharged her diplomatic and portfolio duties over in Milan; as if buttonholing the Ruskis to confirm attendance at the G20 and regaining some semblance of normalised relations aimed at actually facilitating the ongoing investigation into the crash of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 weren’t sufficient outcomes; I guess that’s why the Popular Press were speculating about her Prime Ministerial potential and conducting preferred LP leader polls at the time; but, that’s all water under the bridge now that Abbott’s reupped the ante with Putin and sicced Border Force onto what Ms Bishop mistakenly said are just flag-nation naval vessels traversing international waters lawfully as per usual.)

  235. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 15, 2014 11:53 pm

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/15/world/middleeast/yazidi-girls-seized-by-isis-speak-out-after-escape.html?_r=0

    he 15-year-old girl, crying and terrified, refused to release her grip on her sister’s hand. Days earlier, Islamic State fighters had torn the girls from their family, and now were trying to split them up and distribute them as spoils of war.

    The jihadist who had selected the 15-year-old as his prize pressed a pistol to her head, promising to pull the trigger. But it was only when the man put a knife to her 19-year-old sister’s neck that she finally relented, taking her next step in a dark odyssey of abduction and abuse at the hands of the Islamic State.

    Really, there’s nothing to get bothered about.

  236. November 16, 2014 2:34 am

  237. Meta permalink
    November 16, 2014 6:26 am

    (It might be war yet; with a post-(‘Western’-endorsed/backed)-revolution/coup-Ukraine’s Prime Minister having almost cobbled together a viable coalition to represent a dash more or less than half of the half of the Ukrainian population which participated in a ‘purifying‘ election vowing to pursue peace in our time and to build a mighty army to reinforce the active regular Ukrainian units and irregular hypernationalist militias already zealously pursuing an agreed ceasefire: Prospect of all-out war with Russia prompts call to build stronger Ukraine army; and with Putin reportedly returning home early to ‘attend meetings’: Vladimir Putin to leave G20 early after pressure from West over Ukraine, MH17.)

  238. Meta permalink
    November 16, 2014 6:58 am

    (Some good news for the humanitarian mission in the Levant: another strategic oil asset has been liberated and preparations are well underway for recruiting and retraining Iraqis to degrade and destroy any remaining deep-pockets of IS resistance somewhere North, South, East, and/or West of Tikrit: Iraq ‘expels IS militants from a major oil refinery’.)

  239. Meta permalink
    November 16, 2014 7:46 am

    (Malcolm Fraser, and the kind of logic on which he relies, rehearsed in the Mearsheimer piece, and recently alluded to by Gorbachev, must be feeling a bit of a goose now that Ukraine is on the brink of finally winning its political independence and freedom from corruption.)

  240. Meta permalink
    November 16, 2014 8:38 am

    (Meanwhile, and returning to the humanitarian mission in the Levant, the spontaneous power-vacuum otherwise occupied by Khorosan/AQ/AN/IS/Assad-unGovernment terrorists in Syria, if not being addressed in the North by our Kurdish friends from Iraq and Turkey and etcetera, allegedly is being/to be remotely re/filled with yet more moderate freedom-fighter militias: U.S. weighs expanded CIA training, arming of Syrian allies struggling against Assad.)

  241. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 8:53 am

    I did a quick google search and G20 is a meeting for leaders.

    By which I am assuming, that is why hockey, brandis and corman and who knows who else from the government will be there. It is not just for leaders, as there are also 4000 delegates attending in addition to the leaders.

    Mr Abbott’s move contrasts with Labor’s decision to grant Julie Bishop access to the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Perth, when it was in power.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/g20/g20-summit-tony-abbott-denies-access-to-tanya-plibersek-20141115-11n9du.html

    It’s petty and pathetic, but, it is what we have come to expect. I mean, after all other nations have deliberately moved to get Climate Change back onto the table, our leaderless leader brags to them about repealing the Carbon Price. :facepalm:

    There is shirtfronting oging on at the G20. It is just that yabot is the recipient of them all, from putin, then cameron, and now Obama. Shirtfronted by them all. What a total tosser lol

    Unfortunately for our Prime Minister, however, Barack Obama has delivered a rather humiliating exercise in power politics over the weekend: showing how leadership and power lies in setting and controlling an agenda

    Tony Abbott has spent months trying to keep climate change off the agenda of the G20.

    Through his deal with China, and then again in Brisbane on Saturday, Obama ensured that it is the only issue people will be talking about when the G20 communique finally emerges on Sunday.

    Whatever the G20 communique says about climate change, everyone will know our prime minister – rather than leading and shaping the debate – dragged kicking and screaming to it.

    http://m.afr.com/p/national/barack_obama_delivers_lesson_in_f6g832V3aLVQYDnAzS9cBL

    Yea, “leaders” only 😉

  242. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 9:04 am

    And I agree with Cameron for a change … who wudda thunk …

    Maybe its because he’s giving The Abbott a wedgie over climate change too …

    http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/cameron-prods-abbott-on-climate-change/story-e6frfkui-1227124437244

    ’tis 40°C today in the G20 City Brisbane … and while I remain agnostic Cameron’s argument re “insurance” is sound …

    Australia should be the world leader in renewable energy and advanced nuclear power using Gen IV and thorium … we pride ourselves on R&D and inventions and yet our specialty seems to be digging up vast amounts of dirt …

  243. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 9:18 am

    From your link to Malcom Meta

    I believe America, in particular, has acted [provocatively] .. especially in seeking to expand NATO to the borders of Russia

    I recalled listening to a Dan Carlin podcast recently that explored the reasons behind the current Ukraine crisis, and he lets fly at Americas foreign policy unashamedly, laying much of the blame there, and argues that voters have no “choice” over Americas foreign policy anymore. This looks to be quite accurate imo

    http://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-270-poking-the-bear/

    I also found it on youtube, but it is quite a long pod, over 40 minutes

  244. November 16, 2014 9:39 am

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but a “welcome to country” or an “acknowledgement of traditional owners” is not a holy sacrament required by law before any official ceremony in this country.

    They are shows of righteousness things the green/left chooses to do, and things the conservative/right chooses not to do.

    That may stick in the craw of self-proclaimed “compassionate” Labor voters, but they’re the facts (as I understand them).

    Again, get over it.

  245. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 9:42 am

  246. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 10:10 am

    I notice the DT (lol) also manages to sneak in a bit of christianity too TR …

    sa+urday … so subtle and subliminal it hurts … just jokin’ … 🙂

    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    Just watched half of Insiders (fkn daylight “saving”) … best line of the year so far this year IMO …

    “And those morons who closed down a shop in SA selling hilal yoghurt to the UAE because profit supports ISIS … should stop buying petrol!”

    Classic in calling out stupidity!

  247. November 16, 2014 10:27 am

    Labor barrackers would have enjoyed Insiders this morning. Everyone agreed with everyone else that the Abbott government is stoopid, illustrating, by example, how the ABC is ignoring its legal obligation to all taxpayers (the majority of whom voted for the Abbott government) to be fair and balanced.

  248. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 10:36 am

    Correct me if I’m wrong

    Nobody has claimed they are. I pointed out out what a good idea they are, so that people, if they are for some reason blotting out certain aspects of our mutual relationship with our land forget who was here first, can be reminded. Obviously, the blotting is so deep in some that even reminders like this, will not seep through the mist of ignorance around their world view.

    They are shows of righteousness

    Some say they are acknowledgements of our past. A past yabot constantly blanks out. And this is not a one off example. Like his misogyny, it is a pattern of behaviour which expose his inner self.

  249. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 10:40 am

    What’s the point of a G20 if we can’t laugh at the chairthingy?

  250. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 10:42 am

    ROFL

    In what has already been dubbed a rousing and inspirational speech, the Australian Prime Minister warned world leaders there was hard work ahead. “The shift to a GP co-payment will not come overnight, and there will no doubt be some tough choices along the way. But in the months and years to come we can say that here, today, in Brisbane, we put a stake in the ground and started the journey towards a $7 co-payment future”.

    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2014/11/15/future-generations-will-judge-us-by-what-we-do-about-the-gp-co-payment-today-abbott-tells-g20/

  251. November 16, 2014 10:43 am

    Well, it looks like we agree that these displays (of self-flaggelation, IMO) aren’t a requirement, and their worth is a matter of opinion. The PC police want them, others don’t.

  252. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 10:48 am

    to be fair and balanced.

    Is there any possible way to portray what yabot is doing at the G20 as anything but a complete shemozzle and NOT be fair and balanced? 😯

    I mean, he had the worlds attention, and complained about not being able to get a $7 surcharge on Dr visits through parliament.

    The rest of the world must be going WTF??

    Meanwhile, Climate Change “is back on the menu” , no matter how much murdoch doesn’t want it to be.

  253. November 16, 2014 10:53 am

    “Is there any possible way to portray what yabot is doing at the G20 as anything but a complete shemozzle and NOT be fair and balanced? :shock:”

    What, they couldn’t find one commentator in the country to give an alternative viewpoint, representing the views of the majority of the Australian electorate?

  254. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2014 11:01 am

    Like his misogyny, it is a pattern of behaviour which expose his inner self.

    On another site, “misogyny” was a comment directed to me on a couple of occasions. Apparently some use “misogynist” interchangeably with “traditionalist”. I’d be interested to know what word left types use these days to describe actual hatred of women.

    It’s all part of the devaluation of language, it’s becoming less precise.

  255. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 11:06 am

    aren’t a requirement

    Well, if you don’t mind deliberately ignoring a very significant section of our history, not to mention a significant proportion of our current population, or want to pretend that, before the English landed, there was NOTHING but Bush at the site of what is today known as Sydney, then ignore reality to your hearts content.

    Just don’t get defensive when people point out how fucking ignorant, disrespectful, and outright STUPID those comments are, especially considering they are coming from a person who had the gall to declare himself the Minister for Indigenous Affairs!

    It’s really just rubbing salt into very open wounds. It is petty and vindictive. Two words that have come to symbolise this mob. And, in light of what is happening in Brisbane, irrelevant will soon be added.

  256. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 11:09 am

    What, they couldn’t find one commentator in the country to give an alternative viewpoint,

    Not by retaining the “fair” bit. I mean, really, give it a go. Be my guest 😉

    On another site, “misogyny” was a comment directed to me on a couple of occasions.

    ROFL

    It’s all part of the devaluation of language

    Or simply your inability to understand it?

  257. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2014 11:15 am

    “ROFL

    If “misogynist” now means traditionalist, is there still a word for actual hatred of women?

  258. Meta permalink
    November 16, 2014 11:20 am

    (I vaguely thought that ‘they’ were an acknowledgement of ‘our’ present; who knew that common courtesies, as familar to some as a handshake or a smile, were really a dead hand, or a mere lipservice, or some form of bizarre self-flagellation in today’s warmly welcoming Australia.)

  259. November 16, 2014 11:23 am

    In light of his professed disdain for neoliberalism, I’m wondering whether Ricky’s break-up with the Labor party occurred before or after the Hawke-Keating era.

    “Economic reform included the floating of the Australian dollar, deregulation of the financial system, dismantling of the tariff system, privatised state sector industries, ended subsidisation of loss-making industries, and the sale of the state-owned Commonwealth Bank of Australia.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawke%E2%80%93Keating_Government

  260. November 16, 2014 11:25 am

    “as familar to some

    Exactly.

  261. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 11:25 am

    <… how the ABC is ignoring its legal obligation to all taxpayers (the majority of whom voted for the Abbott government) to be fair and balanced.

    That doesn’t extend to making shit up like Rupert’s band of merry men (and a few women) …

    I suppose the old “if you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all” could be applied …

    But then all you’d get from the ABC would be

    ————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

    Face the FACTS this is the WORST federal government Australia has ever elected …

    When they start talking about:

    ► Repealing laws on negative gearing

    ► Repealing family trusts

    ► Eliminating all post political perqs

    ► Providing superannuation for politicians and fat cats equal to evyone else

    ► Reinstating conditions and pay to ADF members

    ► Getting serious about alternative/renewable energies

    Then and only then do they deserve recognition by anyone …

    … as for bringing up the $7.00 co-payment at a G20 … all that does is demosntrate that the LNP and the country is being manipulated by a narrow minded, self-centred, moron …

  262. November 16, 2014 11:33 am

    “That doesn’t extend to making shit up like Rupert’s band of merry men (and a few women) …”

    Correct. There’s only one media behemoth in this country that’s funded by all taxpayers.

    “… as for bringing up the $7.00 co-payment at a G20 … all that does is demosntrate that the LNP and the country is being manipulated by a narrow minded, self-centred, moron …”

    Which just illustrates your naive willingness to believe anything if it paints the current government (voted in by a majority of the electorate) in a bad light.

    #barracker

  263. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 11:34 am

    “as familar to some”

    Exactly.

    Yep, most Australians … obviously not the born to rule tory, catlik lot …

    If The Abbott gets a seconds term (the devil forbid) he’ll probably expect everyone to kiss his ring …

    … what you tories have never understood, is that we are all actually born equal (some more equal than others) … but common courtesy one way is generally reflected ‘tother … if its not, then there is generally an equal and opposite reaction …

    Disavow others at your peril …

  264. November 16, 2014 11:35 am

    “how the ABC is ignoring its legal obligation to all taxpayers (the majority of whom voted for the Abbott government) to be fair and balanced.”

    I guess you missed the interview with Joe Hockey then?

    I actually thought the commentary was relatively tame, in fact a couple of guests on the panel sympathised with Abbott suggesting he was trying to relate to the world leaders by expressing his own local frustrations.

    Of course, the fact no one aside from Abbott and his cronies could care less about this hadn’t really occurred to him, but the panel were fairly sympathetic in overlooking that gross oversight, not to mention the lost opportunity to actually say something statesmanlike.

  265. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 11:35 am

    If “misogynist” now means traditionalist

    I’ll note the word “if” 😉

  266. November 16, 2014 11:38 am

    “”What, they couldn’t find one commentator in the country to give an alternative viewpoint, representing the views of the majority of the Australian electorate?””

    “the majority….??””

    ROFLMAO!!!

    (I guess this must be the “”silent majority”” the right so often claim to represent)…. LOL.. 🙂

  267. November 16, 2014 11:43 am

    “Yep, most Australians …”

    No, not really. I know many public-service organisations start any meeting outside the tea-room with an acknowledgement of some kind, but out here in the real world it’s not “as familiar … as a handshake”.

    Canberra vs. Reality.

  268. November 16, 2014 11:46 am

  269. November 16, 2014 11:51 am

  270. November 16, 2014 11:56 am

    “(I guess this must be the “”silent majority”” the right so often claim to represent)…. LOL.. :)”

    Or even the electoral majority. South Australia and the ACT are the only state/territory/federal electorates not to have chosen a Liberal/National government.

  271. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 12:04 pm

    South Australia and the ACT

    Get ready to add Victoria back into that list tosy 😉

  272. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 12:10 pm

    Instead of concentrating on welcome to country tosy (nice strawman) why not give us your opinion about how the self proclaimed “minister for Aboriginal Affairs” has so consistently managed to erase them from his speeches.

    This sums it up well

    Conservative Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott is not unaware of his country’s fraught relationship with its original population; he promised before his 2013 election that he would prioritize issues related to the indigenous Australian people, saying that he’d be a so-called “prime minister for Aboriginal affairs.” But this July he was criticized after saying that the country was “unsettled or, um, scarcely settled” before the arrival of the British, a slip that implied he’d forgotten that native residents counted as people. In other words, Abbott has made a point of highlighting his relationship with the indigenous community—and it’s already a somewhat troubled one. In this context his remarks Thursday, given at an event with British Prime Minister David Cameron in Sydney, are even more incomprehensible than they would be otherwise:

    ..

    Nothing but bush! Like the moon! Extroardinarily basic! He keeps digging and digging, and it seems like he’s not even speaking off the cuff.

    Aboriginal populations have lived in the Sydney area, Australian Museum anthopologist Val Attenbrow writes, for approximately 18,000 years.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/14/tony_abbott_aboriginal_people_gaffe_nothing_but_bush_video.html?wpsrc=fol_tw

    the abc have shown that they are not fair and balanced by NOT screaming this lack of common decency out for all and sundry to hear about.

    It’s an absolute disgrace that a person, who anoints himself as the “minister for Aboriginal Affairs”, then does so much to hurt and demean Aboriginals.

  273. November 16, 2014 12:10 pm

    You beat me to it Tom…. 🙂

  274. November 16, 2014 12:12 pm

    “It’s an absolute disgrace that a person, who anoints himself as the “minister for Aboriginal Affairs”, then does so much to hurt and demean Aboriginals.”

    HEAR HEAR!!

  275. November 16, 2014 12:13 pm

    I thought it was just “bush” – you mean there were peoples……..????

  276. November 16, 2014 12:15 pm

    “Instead of concentrating on welcome to country tosy (nice strawman) why not give us your opinion about how the self proclaimed “minister for Aboriginal Affairs” has so consistently managed to erase them from his speeches.”

    How is it a strawman, if it directly addresses your point?

    However.

    I think I’ve already made my opinion clear. I think these things are tokenistic and unnecessary. They are displays of self-righteousness and do nothing to practically improve the lives of aboriginal Australians.

  277. November 16, 2014 12:16 pm

  278. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 16, 2014 12:17 pm

    “and the sale of the state-owned Commonwealth Bank of Australia.””

    If you told the old ALP types that it would be the ALP who would eventually sell the CBA they would not have believed you

  279. November 16, 2014 12:19 pm

    “I think these things are tokenistic and unnecessary. They are displays of self-righteousness and do nothing to practically improve the lives of aboriginal Australians.”

    Gee what a hollow and pathetic argument.

    If you can’t even acknowledge their place in history, let alone their very existence then what hope is there of actually making any tangible difference?

  280. November 16, 2014 12:24 pm

    “If you can’t even acknowledge their place in history, let alone their very existence then what hope is there of actually making any tangible difference?”

    Gee, do you start your meetings at work with an acknowledgement of traditional owners? We don’t, and never have. It’s only something done inside a political cocoon, that has no relationship to reality.

  281. November 16, 2014 12:26 pm

    Oh, so history has no relationship to reality?

  282. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 12:29 pm

    How is it a strawman, if it directly addresses your point?

    No it doesn’t. You started harping on about if it is legal or not. I merely pointed out that, in a major speech with an international coverage reflecting on us as Australians, Bill Shorten acknowledged the traditional owners, while the “minister for Aboriginal Affairs” effectively erased them from view.

    Even a visiting dignitary from another country acknowledged and thanked them.

    But, to play your strawman, I think it SHOULD be legal for speeches to contain it, just for the simple fact that is will prevent racist pigs like yabot from further denigrating the Aboriginal peoples by not mentioning what some pockets of the community consider to be “tokenistic and unnecessary”

    I mean, at least do it for #teamaustralia (Tanya Plibersek need not apply)

  283. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 12:30 pm

    JoeHockey didn’t listen to Obama#Climatechange has no effect on economy

    Indeed … in fact he prattled on about making more money not CC …

    http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2014/s4129561.htm

    According to Hockey you need to make money before tackling CC … so the planet can go and get fucked … while Hockey “fixes” the budget (caused by the ALP of course) …

    Priorities don’t seem to ring with, The Abbott & The Acolytes … if the planet is destroyed who needs a fkn budget? Or any economy …?

    I prefer to live in a society rather than survive in an economy

    Or put another way …

    I prefer to live on a clean planet with renewable energy sources than die gasping with a heap of money in the bank …

    Ideally I’d prefer both money in the bank and a clean planet … not one or ‘tother as we are so often told …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Roy Morgan disagrees ToSY …

    QUEENSLAND: Election would be too close to call

    2PP#: ALP (50.5%, up 1.5% since September 26-29, 2014) cf. LNP (49.5%, down 1.5%).

    Primary vote: LNP (38.5%, down 3.5%), ALP (38%, up 2.5%), Greens (10%, up 1%) Palmer United Party (6%, down 0.5%), Katter’s Australian Party (2%, down 0.5%), Independents/ Others (5.5%, up 1%).

    Better Premier (Premier Campbell Newman (LNP) v Annastacia Palaszczuk (ALP)):
    Mr. Newman (47.5%, down 2.5%); Ms. Palaszczuk (52.5%, up 2.5%); Lead to Ms Palaszczuk 5% (up 5%).

    Queensland real unemployment is now 10.0% and under-employment is 8.3%. This means total Queensland unemployment & under-employment is 18.3%. (Interviewed August – September 2014).

    Queensland State Election is being held no later than June 20, 2015.

    Still the LNP will blame the ALP if they start losing seats in 2015 … although I think you’ll find its the usual suspects … the LNP … funny that, hey? 😉

  284. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 12:31 pm

    We don’t, and never have.

    Well, that settles it 😆

    so history has no relationship to reality?

    Not bolts anyway. Show me ten, just ten 😆

  285. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 12:33 pm

    in fact he prattled on about making more money not CC

    And not inclusively either, just make the dosh.

    Which is funny, considering the G20 was formed with the idea of “inclusiveness”

    What a complete and absolute failure this grubmint has made of these proceedings.

    Or is that their aim?

  286. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 12:35 pm

    Gee, do you start your meetings at work with an acknowledgement of traditional owners?

    Maybe you should, ToSY … many companies do … ask, ToM … he attends and speaks at quite a few mining seminars …

  287. November 16, 2014 3:24 pm

    Labor barrackers would have enjoyed Insiders this morning. Everyone agreed with everyone else that the Abbott government is stoopid, illustrating, by example, how the ABC is ignoring its legal obligation to all taxpayers (the majority of whom voted for the Abbott government) to be fair and balanced.

    Pig Ignorance is your forte I see…

    Majority? Keep deluding yourself that people that voted for Abbott aren’t ropeable with the suppository of wisdom and minister for menstrual malarkey lies and dishonesty..

    I see you have evaded my invitation to explain all the fantastic work Abbott is doing that is so ingratiated his “majority” and empowered his “mandate”

    Get over it? What a complete fucking wanker you are….

    Get over yourself you self you smarmy piece of dick cheese …What the other 50% of Australia don’t count fucktard?

    Why don’t you stick to football..its less complicated that politics .. That way your hollow sanctimonious braggfest and latent racist knobbery is less offensive amongst the shirt fronters you seem so proud;y boast are above scrutinisation because they have a perceived “majority” and a “mandate”

    We await you comprehensive defense of the most unworthy idiotic embarrassment PM in Australian history.. I doubt you will be able to supply much more that the standard predictable terrorgrapher responses of

    Left bad…
    ABC Bad
    political correctness….yada yada
    Blah blah.. magority, mandate.. bull shit

    Have you ever considered he may just be bringing all this negative publicity upon himself by virtue of his own actions and stupidity…Maybe people are waking up the the fact he is a fucking fake… the walter mitty of Aussie politics

    If you told the old ALP types that it would be the ALP who would eventually sell the CBA they would not have believed you

    You are profoundly stupid aren’t you…
    What happens when they deregulate the banking sector and the government owns a bank?

  288. November 16, 2014 3:48 pm

  289. November 16, 2014 3:49 pm

    “Get over it? What a complete fucking wanker you are….Get over yourself you self you smarmy piece of dick cheese …What the other 50% of Australia don’t count fucktard?”

    Fuck you too, you illiterate fuckwit. The other 50% are what happens in your beloved democracy. It’s called the tyrrany of the majority.

  290. November 16, 2014 3:57 pm

  291. November 16, 2014 4:05 pm

    . It’s called the tyrrany tyranny 🙂 of the majority.

    I rest my case… anyone who would entertain such a notion is obviously not playing with a full deck…
    My apologies i’m not in the habit of insulting brain injured people. You are literally too stupid to insult.

  292. November 16, 2014 4:11 pm

    “You are literally too stupid to insult.”

    Good, then I’ll go back to ignoring your inane, rusted-on Labor-barracking drivel. It’s good for my serenity.

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 4:34 pm

    Must be Sunday … everyone is getting on really nicely 🙂

    RP, while you’re commenting … I’ve been using Cakewalk Studio 9 for a long time now and did some surfing for DAW this morning … naturally I looked at Sonar X3 … but kept coming across Reaper and it seems to be pretty good … (I only record at home – mostly midi and mic … and me 🙂 )

    Any thoughts?

  294. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 16, 2014 5:12 pm

    “… ArchfgghGet over yourself you self you smarmy piece of dick cheese …What the other 50% of Australia don’t count fucktard?…”

    He’s just repeating the bolt doctrine (as he does), everything is designed as an attack on the ABC. No critique of abbotts performance though, just create some manufactured opinion piece that can always segue onto an attack on the ABC or any other bolt target.

    No critique offered on the idiot at home and abroad that is the abbott though. How do people sit through that smirking monotone of Bolt?

  295. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 5:21 pm

    Any thoughts?

    Have you considered LMMS?

    The price is right 😉

    https://lmms.io/

  296. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 5:40 pm

    ow do people sit through that smirking monotone of Bolt?

    I’ve heard valium helps 😉

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 5:56 pm

    Thanks, TR … I’ll have a closer look at that … all I want to do is record voice with the midi files I already have …

    TBH I’ve never heard of LMMS either … (LMMS is $60 cheaper than Reaper too … 😉 )

  298. November 16, 2014 6:31 pm

    Good, then I’ll go back to ignoring your inane, rusted-on Labor-barracking drivel

    Comprehension is not your strong point is it pal? ..

    I will take your inability to quote all Abbott’s brilliant legislative legacies (if he ever passes his first budget) as you are too embarrassed to defend the indefensible .

    Don’t worry about feeling embarrassed you voted for him now you and the rest of the gullible terrorgraphers he snake oiled then betrayed in the greatest Water Mitty feat in Australian political history… minority

    http://s123.photobucket.com/user/rickypann/media/Trolls/Tosy_zps97314101.jpg.html

    Any thoughts?

    Reaper is fantastic… strait outa the box… I rate it highly. I have a licence here and beta tested for them a few years back. I have one I7 DAW where I use reaper as a host for my Kontakt library So I am into it enough to use it. I also have a mate who has a studio based around it and it works well for him.
    So Yep….

    I use Presonus all the way now. Dumped Protools (unless its asked for or I work somewhere else) I own an 11 TDM licence

    http://www.presonus.com/studioone

    I was Beta testing with them for a while and its the best on the market I feel. Awesome quality, stable, 64 bit native code…

    Sonar is OK as is Sequoia by Magix

  299. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 7:02 pm

    TR, RP … many thanks to both of you!

    If yer interested the Blogmeister has a couple of my home recordings …

    sreb, happy to share … TB

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Just stood on my deck and watched Airforce One fly over … youngest grandson too … some telephoto vid but it’ll be poor quality … The Minister admitted to being “excited” … very unlike the Frieslander!

  300. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 7:21 pm

    sreb, happy to share … TB

    Never say never TB 😉

    http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Own-YouTube-Channel

    I can’t compare LMMS with the professional suites, or how it even stacks up with professional requirements.

    I can’t read music, have no ear for music (not sure if it shows 😉 ) just know what I like, and wanted to see if a musically inept tone def individual could make “music”.

    It’s not looking good to date lol.

    But, that’s what’s so cool about computers. Anyone can have a go at anything. Then again, maybe you don’t need a computer.

  301. November 16, 2014 7:23 pm

    In other words, Abbott don’t have shit (y’know, the same standard of proof y’all bring to criticisms of Israel)…put that in your pipe and smoke it, Abbottlickers.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/i-disagree-with-but-respect-putin-abbott/story-e6frfku9-1227124800015

  302. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 7:30 pm

    A special one fer tosy 😉

  303. November 16, 2014 7:30 pm

    I wish I could quote an actual GP about the co-payment (without violating her privacy).

    That shit doesn’t stand up.

  304. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 7:35 pm

    Australia was outmanoeuvred before the G20 had even begun.

    I’ve read some comments about jbishops role in all this.

    It swings from, being foreign minister, she should be aware, so not to pick it up is a total failure, to being foreign minister, she was aware, but was happy to let yabot swing in the breeze.

    If it is the latter, she still hasn’t performed her role very well with the interests of Australia in mind.

    Maybe there’s something up being foreign minister?…….

  305. Tom R permalink
    November 16, 2014 7:39 pm

    That shit doesn’t stand up.

    Of course not, they were going to a fund for ‘favoured’ pet projects (read big pharma)

    It was quite obviously designed as the first raft of breaking down medicare, which is why when Labor first floated the idea, they dropped it quick smart once they saw what it could do.

    Bloody libs can’t even come up with their own ideas to kill medicare any more.

    And here was yabot complaining about his inability to kill off medicare to Obama(care)

    ROFL

    It’s like he lives in a mushroom cloud of ignorance.

  306. November 16, 2014 7:45 pm

    I musta missed the infrastructureinfrastructureinfrastructure wankathon…#fuckyouscaperandyourdisseminators

  307. November 16, 2014 7:47 pm

    “it’s too bias!”

    Yes, it’s too bias. But nobody here is bias. No sir.

    #toobias

  308. November 16, 2014 7:53 pm

    “”Lest I sail too close to that breeze again…”

    It wasn’t you who I was suggesting was sailing close to the breeze recently Boss, it was whichever fuckwit we were both talking about at the time..

    Sorry for any confusion….

  309. November 16, 2014 7:56 pm

    No confusion…I’m all for following conventions, and you’re about the most broad minded and tolerant host I’ll ever come across in this (only) life, my friend! 🙂

  310. November 16, 2014 7:57 pm

    #fuckabbottandhislickers

    #confusingdomesticpartisanarsehatterywithglobalsentiment

    #biggestoffenderpercapita

    #boltsbitches

  311. November 16, 2014 8:00 pm

    You don’t sail close to the wind here if you espouse the “correct” opinions. It’s the dissenters that are under threat.

  312. November 16, 2014 8:12 pm

    Yeah, coz you enjoy ingratiation…

    How many are actually prohibited?

    Had your sensibilities pricked in the last twenty four (or so)?

  313. November 16, 2014 8:14 pm

    Maybe, but you’re safe.

  314. November 16, 2014 8:19 pm

    I only say such because, I thought mine had been (and quite rightly, for the stated reason)…but a few days later I have perspective.

    Running a blog would be a cunt of an effort for someone even with remarkably thick skin(it’s not like he doesn’t allow us all to speak our minds…I would probably think three times before verbalising what I type here to the faces of people I know…that’s what makes it unique & interesting, and affords considered argument)…and our mate has been doing it for a looong time; at no profit, and with commendable impartiality (largely…FFS, his proclivities are bound to have some bearing on it all).

    Anyhow…I digress…

    What I like about here, is we can get into nasty intellectual spaces, and strill enjoy our commonalities on other threads.

    To me, that’s the essence of human harmony.

  315. November 16, 2014 8:21 pm

    “you’re safe”

    If you ever got banned, I’d be astonished.

    But I understand (seriously).

    I wish snacty would come back (but he’d probably get misinterpreted and smashed by some).

  316. November 16, 2014 8:31 pm

    “You don’t sail close to the wind here if you espouse the “correct” opinions. “

    That’s a lazy conclusion to reach…

    “It’s the dissenters that are under threat.”

    Those who dissent from what exactly, shameless partisan barracking?

    I think my views about Tony Abbott and this so called rabble of a guvmint are fairly well known. The difference between you and I is that I’m capable of criticising both major parties, whereas you simply fall into line with whatever Tony Abbott and the LNP happen to be espousing regardless of how ludicrous it may be …

    Although I dd find it amusing that you took issue with all the anti-Abbott coverage in the media this weekend. Heck you’ve got to wonder how much longer he’s got in the top job when even newscorp could no longer ignore his dumb ass performance at the G20…

  317. November 16, 2014 8:34 pm

    “How many are actually prohibited?”

    No one actually.

    Egg occasionally gets a stint in moderation when it insists on derailing unrelated threads with CC nonsense..

    Scaper would probably face an instant banning if he showed up, but thankfully that hasn’t occurred.

  318. November 16, 2014 8:40 pm

    “Maybe, but you’re safe.”

    And another thing….!

    I have, on more than one occasion, invited you personally to write a topic for discussion (including publishing the Arts post as requested by you)….

  319. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 16, 2014 9:13 pm

    The G20 is a very expensive dud.

    http://johnquiggin.com/2014/11/14/a-policy-lesson-from-g20/

  320. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 9:38 pm

    The G20 is a very expensive dud.

    Aren’t they all, KL, ? … problem is that it is at ordinary folk’s expense … for no real return at all …

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    November 16, 2014 9:41 pm

    And another thing….!

    The “left” here criticise both sides and the centre of politics … when the going gets tough for The Abbott’s lot … they all fk off …

    I’m at the stage now with any LNP minister my mind just switches off … just like it did with Gillard and Rudd … zooooooom …

    I suspect what I feel is going to be reflected in the next election …

    The present Federal government is actually more indefensible than the last two … a sorry state for Australia … now, I suspect, a laughing stock in the rest of the world …

  322. November 16, 2014 9:44 pm

    Cunt has only shit in his own nest this week…so much for an ideological springboard…

    # disenfranchisedfromcontemporarytealeaves

  323. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2014 10:42 pm

    I don’t know why Abbott would bore the international community with tales of GP co-payment and an obstinate Senate.

    Is it traditional for the host to bore guests?

    Well, it is in my house, and people visit with that understanding, but leave when I start to serve the second rung wine. Is that how the G20 operates too?
    ————-
    Re – GP co-payment, unless there is a price any service will be overused. Our system puts a price on everything, and generally this allocates resources with reasonable efficiency. Free stuff isn’t valued.

  324. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 16, 2014 10:45 pm

    …and I don’t mind if pensioners don’t pay, but anyone who is employed – around $20 per visit seems reasonable.

  325. November 16, 2014 11:01 pm

    Its quite simple from a centrist point of view

    We have a socially awkward radical wingnut whack job who is fiscally incompetent, and morally corrupt leading an undisclosed ideological moralist charge based on bullshit with a merry band of socially disconnected born to rule incompetent fucktard sycophants to dodgy tax avoiding donors on one side

    Then we have the remnants of a once great nation party controlled by unions led by a beige dwarf at is about as inspiring as a wet paper bag installed by said unions flogging the worst PM in history with a warm wet cabbage.

    Both parties are riddled with corruption, god bothering neo conservative free market wankery that disenfranchises their membership because they are incapable of reform

    Both are becoming about as relevant as last weeks milk.. Enter the third wheel Clive nutter Palmer who purchased a few seats which gave us Lambi, who is belligerent bogan hairy backed beast that needs a bitch slap…and the other rabble, knuckdragging footballer and a bloke who likes cars,,,,,

    The Greens are becoming less radical because with Abbott in, everybody looks less radical even the tewwawists…

    Australia is in a state of political moral decay where bullshit rules the day.

    If you start from a position of utter contempt for them all assuming everything is a spinning lie.. you cant go wrong…

  326. November 17, 2014 1:00 am

  327. November 17, 2014 7:19 am

    All the GP co-payment will do is encourage more people to show up at A&E for minor ailments.

    Besides, I already pay around $50 to see my GP …

    Bulk billing practices are few and far between these days and are a good service for people on low incomes or the unemployed who otherwise might not seek treatment (or show up at A&E).

    The problem this govt faces is that it is shamelessly slugging low income earners and the unemployed while the rich get off scott free.

  328. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 7:49 am

    all I want to do is record voice with the midi files I already have

    I also forgot, there is audacity, which is very lightweight, and might(?) do what you want.

    http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

  329. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 7:57 am

    Bulk billing practices are few and far between these days and are a good service for people on low incomes or the unemployed who otherwise might not seek treatment (or show up at A&E).

    Yes, I was amazed that high income earners in hockeys electorate are able to claim full medicare entitlements for GP visits. We have difficulty in our area finding one who bulk bills. And, all of those who do, require a concession card of some sort to access the full refund. (or be under 18).

    But, instead of fixing that rort, they are simply stuffing the system as a whole up, and, as pointed out above, without ANY change to the budgets bottom line.

    It is nothing but a vehicle to destroy medicare, which really must have impressed Obama (coming hot on the heels of bragging about destroying and ETS as the both China and the US move towards emission reductions)

    As for price signals to stop people seeing a GP. ROFL

    If waiting for 40 minutes in a room full of sick people isn’t going to stop people, what will?

    Besides, if there is any service where you want people to see someone perhaps for no reason, it is a Dr. Better safe than sorry.

    Of course, you could always show us the evidence of this “waste” in the system if you like yomm 😉

  330. egg permalink
    November 17, 2014 8:43 am

    waiting….. waiting……

  331. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2014 8:45 am

    “China and the US have just handed the Abbott government its arse to it on a plate.”

    Really?

    Perhabs then Australia should replace it’s own commitments with those the noble Chinese have given in this agreement – increase emissions until 2030 and a non-binding commitment to reduce them thereafter.

    The reaction to this deal shows the mindless left in all their vacuous glory.

  332. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 8:55 am

    Really?

    Yes 🙂

  333. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 9:00 am

    arse, meet plate ROFL

    But occasionally, there’s an awkward, pimply youth moment so embarrassing that it does sting. Like when 19 of the world’s most important leaders visit for a global summit and Prime Minister Tony Abbott opens their retreat on Saturday with a whinge about his doomed efforts to get his fellow Australians to pay $7 to see a doctor.

    And then he throws in a boast that his government repealed the country’s carbon tax, standing out among Western nations as the one willing to reverse progress on climate change – just days after the United States and China reached a landmark climate change deal.

    ………

    Los Angeles Times

    http://www.theage.com.au/business/g20/australia-suffers-another-cringeworthy-moment-during-g20-summit-20141117-11nxg9.html

  334. November 17, 2014 9:12 am

    “I have, on more than one occasion, invited you personally to write a topic for discussion (including publishing the Arts post as requested by you)….”

    Yes, you have, and yes, you did. Thanks for that.

  335. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2014 9:13 am

    What else were you expecting from the LA Times, the very epitomy of prattling leftist cant.

  336. November 17, 2014 9:24 am

    “Yes, you have, and yes, you did. Thanks for that.”

    You’re welcome. You bet you are. You bet I am….

    🙂

  337. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 9:25 am

    Tony Abbott kicks own goal on climate

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/tony_abbott_kicks_own_goal_on_climate_D36gfDx1rxK8SZ2kGpaSCP

    TONY Abbott has been blindsided in political terms by Barack Obama, who grasps the aspirational and gesture nature of climate change politics.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/barack-obama-gives-pm-a-climate-headache/story-e6frg74x-1227125020466

    fucken latte sippen lefies ROFL

  338. November 17, 2014 9:25 am

    “the very epitomy of prattling leftist cant.”

    It’s all the media’s fault!!

  339. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 9:26 am

    You bet you are. You bet I am….

    ROFL

    Hows the Latte this mornin’ leftie 😉

  340. November 17, 2014 9:28 am

    So typical of you Tom – quoting the bastions of the left – the Australian Financial Review and The Australian…!

    Can’t you quote something a bit more balanced???

  341. November 17, 2014 9:30 am

    My latte’s perfectly frothed this morning Tom with a generous sprinkling of leftie flakes…

  342. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 9:30 am

    It’s all the media’s fault!!

    Hang on, that’s MY line!!

    But does lead nicely into this 😉

    Let’s not forget that Rupert Murdoch’s editors were directed onto war-footing by their owner as far back as April 2011. This is a matter of record. In Carmel, California, Murdoch advised that they should do everything in their power to remove the then-minority Labor government. He wanted Gillard and the Greens gone, and Tony Abbott and the Liberals installed in their place. Simple as that. In a presentation replete with the “lifters and leaners” language subsequently adopted by Joe Hockey in government, he attacked “bludgers” and heavy-handed Labor governments for bringing the country down.

    http://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/2014/11/15/the-political-influence-murdochs-news-carp/14159700001250#.VGasEr75moN

  343. November 17, 2014 9:31 am

    IT’S ALL THE MEDIA’S FAULT…!!

  344. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 9:37 am

    Can’t you quote something a bit more balanced???

    Like fartfax? 🙂

  345. November 17, 2014 9:40 am

    Sorry – a correction on my earlier comment re bannings.

    Iain Hall is currently banned from GT and I make no apologies for that….

  346. November 17, 2014 9:41 am

    Here’s one from a different point of view (The Daily Terror).

    ‘Tony Abbott has foiled Barack Obama’s attempt to hijack the G20 with climate change, refusing to put a cent into the US President’s push for a $10 billion global green climate fund.

    ‘And as chair of the G20, he succeeded in ensuring global economic growth and job creation was at the top of the final declaration yesterday, delivering a blow to Mr Obama’s attempts to elevate climate change to a first order issue of the world leader’s meeting.

    ‘In one of the rare instances of an Australian leader standing up to a US President on a major policy issue, Mr Abbott refused to allow the final communiqué to include a binding requirement that all G20 nations commit to the Green Climate Fund announced by Mr Obama on Saturday at University of Queensland.’

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tony-abbott-snubs-barack-obamas-climate-fund-demand/story-fni0cx12-1227125057292?nk=19ab885a98a5fe5e29f968d1373fde08

  347. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 9:56 am

    Here’s one from a different point of view

    That’s a different view of reality tosy

    Mr Abbott refused to allow the final communiqué to include a binding requirement that all G20 nations commit to the Green Climate Fund

    Of course, the reality is

    “yabot was unable to prevent the final leaders’ communique from including a recommendation for nations to commit funds to the UN’s Green Climate Fund”

    I mean, really, how many “binding requirements” are there in the communiqué ?

    View from Bizarro World ROFL

  348. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 9:59 am

    This explains not only Tee Abbott Monastery ignorance but a slowly crumbling faith (dontcha luv puns) by Acolytes and Missionaries …

    … and of course you’d think News Ltd has followed up on my earlier comments re the renewable energy being a separate issue to climate change …

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/does-this-government-like-creating-jobs-the-huge-opportunities-were-missing-in-renewable-energy/story-fnjww1r5-1227125258877

    Now you know why I quote news.com.au … keep your enemies closer … pretty difficult for the tories to argue the source …

    Who’s next on the list for The Abbott to get off side …

  349. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:01 am

    We are just moving further and further away from the rest of the world. Why are we required to “go it alone”?

    (Reuters) – A promise by Japan on Sunday to give up to $1.5 billion to a U.N. fund to help poor nations cope with global warming puts the fund within sight of a $10 billion goal and brightens prospects for a U.N. climate pact next year.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/16/us-g20-summit-climatefund-japan-idUSKCN0J00UL20141116

  350. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:05 am

    ‘In one of the rare instances of an Australian leader standing up to a US President on a major policy issue

    Y’mean dithering about with millions – nay billions – of other people’s lives …

    FMD, ToSY, the man is a walking grenade … he’s a Luddite … Philistine … technophobeic ignoramus … leading a bunch of zombies … who just want to jump off the cliff …

  351. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:05 am

    pretty difficult for the tories to argue the source …

    Even the hard heads know when real money is being lost to ideology TB.

    They must be shitting themselves watching India looking to source all its coal from it’s own soil and China preparing to pay diddly for ours. (wonder what the China “free trade deal” will say about this?)

    And our prime miniature has all his eggs in the one dwindling coal basket.

  352. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:09 am

    Surely we must have gone past 1950 by now? Or has the LNP Train lost its brakes and we are watching a train-wreck in slow motion?

    If we are I want to get off …. before the next station …

  353. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:09 am

    I don’t think Abbott was that bad at the G20. But the real point is that foreign policy achievements, such as they are, are largely irrelevant come election time. The government will sink (not much chance of it swimming here) on its economic performance.

    Of course there is always the possibily that the government will turn it all around – Hockey will will suddenly cease to be a dribbling buffoon, the economy will boom, the national debt will be paid down and Abbott will become a great orator and visionary leader. Or not.

  354. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:11 am

    prime miniature

    GOLD!

    That’s worth a cellophane wrapped C&W CD … ! Is there any left, sreb?

  355. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:12 am

    “Why are we required to “go it alone”?”

    Going it alone didn’t seem to bother the haters when we had by far the highest carbon price in the world!

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:13 am

    Dreamtime until … Or not

    Says it all really …

  357. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:17 am

    Going it alone didn’t seem to bother the haters when we had by far the highest carbon price in the world!

    Except we never were “going it alone”

    That was simply another lie. There were, even then, many ETS’s around the world

    There are even more now

    GOLD!

    I actually lifted it from Poll Bludger (not sure who now, just read it, and it fits 😉 )

    I don’t think Abbott was that bad at the G20.

    ROFL

    He whinged to the world about not being able to charge citizens $6 for a GP visit.
    He bragged about repealing action on climate change whilst major advances were being made by the rest of the world

    ROFL

  358. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:23 am

    Going it alone didn’t seem to bother the haters when we had by far the highest carbon price in the world!

    That no-one noticed in reality … now we have SFA … except tree planting … and paying polluters … how much have you had returned?

    I understand that Noddy Newman is planning to pay bikies to keep them off the streets …

    (Be just as silly) …

    Like PPL – reverse welfare … the more you earn the more you get … the more you can con to rduce pollution the more the government will “give” you …

    James Hardie would have loved that approach!

    Abbott has done more flip flopping, backarsed policy making than any government I’ve ever seen in power … at least the JBP Mafiosa in Qld kept the state moving … these wankers are destroyers not builders …

    I stopped listening to Gillard after the knife job on Rudd … after the knife job on Gillard I simply switched off to the ALP …

    I don’t even turn The Abbott & The Acolytes on – not one of them makes any sense anymore and they actually contradict each other – as for Hockey is NVC’s are so obvious you can actually pinpoint the lies!

    … they should work for the BoM they change their minds every four hours too …

  359. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:23 am

    Advances?????

    You mean while the rest of the word was gunning off its toes.

  360. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:24 am

    I actually lifted it from Poll Bludger (not sure who now, just read it, and it fits

    Bugger! No CD … 🙂

  361. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:27 am

    Bugger! No CD …

    Can I get the Vinyl?

  362. November 17, 2014 10:34 am

    A bit more context to that LA Times piece.

    “Robyn Dixon … started as a cub reporter in her home city of Melbourne, Australia. After doing every conceivable job, including writing a daily TV column and covering national politics in Canberra, she went to Moscow for the Sydney Morning Herald and the Age, sister papers of the Fairfax group in Australia. In 1999, Dixon moved to The Times’ Moscow bureau.”

    http://www.latimes.com/la-bio-robyn-dixon-staff.html

  363. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:40 am

    she went to Moscow

    Yes, but without knowing her coffee preference, how will we ever know if she is a REAL commie?

  364. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:46 am

    FUCKEN’ LATTE LICKEN’ LEFTIES!!

    Colin Barnett has embraced Bar-ack Obama’s demand for stronger climate change action, saying Australia needs to be bolder in its emission reduction targets.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25530280/barnett-backs-obamas-climate-plans/

  365. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:54 am

    Isn’t Barnett a railway guard? Y’know access to the brake system?

    Does the liberal party have any level heads? And if so where are they? Has Abbott got tickets on everyone?

  366. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:57 am

    … how will we ever know if she is a REAL commie?

    And we won’t let history get in the way … 1999 was eight years after the USSR broke up and Russia re-emerged as a single again … and unless I’m seriously mistaken not everyone in Moscow is a commie?

  367. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 10:59 am

    So if the LNP can vote against the federal party line (which is really Abbott’s these days) we can simply blame all LNP parliamentarians for being utter fools …

  368. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 11:00 am

    The Abbott’s Mad Monk Monastery?

  369. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 11:06 am

    Yea, “free”. Free for workers to beripped off. I thought we were assured this wouldn’t happen?

    What else has been sold up the river

    The Abbott government has given ground on labour, agreeing to a new case-by-case mechanism for Chinese investors to apply to bring in workers at Australian wage rates in areas of skills shortages.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-seals-free-trade-deal-with-beijing-20141116-11nsk9.html

    Because, like, that’s never been ripped off before 😯

  370. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2014 11:21 am

    I’m interested to know why Abbott would talk about domestic political issues at the G20.

    Does Obama reply with- ‘I know what you mean Tony, I have to put up with a mindless Republican opposition too.’

    Does Putin say- ‘I agree, I had to lock up some girls for a couple of years. They were threatening democracy by singing in a church! Opposition is intolerable

  371. November 17, 2014 11:21 am

    “a new case-by-case mechanism for Chinese investors to apply to bring in workers at Australian wage rates in areas of skills shortages.”

    Sounds reasonable.

  372. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 11:23 am

    I’m interested to know why Abbott would talk about domestic political issues at the G20.

    That’s the question, alright, ToM … because he doesn’t have anything else?

  373. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 11:28 am

    Sounds reasonable.

    Because, like, that’s never been ripped off before

  374. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 11:32 am

    I alos note Dairy is a big winner

    Didn’t a certain miner just invest heavily in Dairy?

    Inside information perhaps?

    It’s a big win for miners (again), not so much Aussie workers

    Who’d have thunk it.

  375. egg permalink
    November 17, 2014 12:05 pm

    ‘Sounds reasonable.’

    Especially if its a bullet train consortium.

  376. Meta permalink
    November 17, 2014 12:37 pm

    (“Especially if its a bullet train consortium.”

    Indeed. Re (no) waiting, skills shortages, and VFTing: ‘Let them come, and they will build know-how for free, for the price of a competitive service fee’ seems perfectly agreeable; and access to a lucrative infant formula market sans ‘safeguard’ caps undoubtedly is an unparalleled boon.)

  377. egg permalink
    November 17, 2014 2:27 pm

    The revolution is here and now, we would be mad not to embrace it. One other thing which might interest you, the Communists have decided to reinstate Confucianism.

  378. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 2:54 pm

    The revolution is here and now

    Yes. And the libs are just going to make it worst.

    Free Trade ROFL

    Selling our jobs overseas is what is

    I guess nobody got to clarify if he meant a million Australian jobs?

    Ms Kearney said the recent Korea Free Trade Agreement has had a disastrous impact on jobs. It allows employers to nominate Korean workers for visas without having to advertise jobs locally.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dont-sell-out-australian-jobs-say-unions-20141117-11o3q4.html#ixzz3JHwdCRL1

    No wonder they’re wrapping up these “Free Trade” agreements so quickly. Selling out workers was never a bargaining chip before.

  379. egg permalink
    November 17, 2014 3:09 pm

    ‘Selling our jobs overseas is what is’

    There is a lot of it going on, it cannot be denied, but there is little chance of deviation now. Mass immigration, of the type we are experiencing, normally creates material progress. So its important to take in the longer view.

  380. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2014 3:12 pm

    Toyota (or other manufacturers
    would probably say that Australia was their only manufacturing plant that had industrial action.

    The IR is hopelessly inefficient, just look at the dozen+ unions with coverage, all looking for membership, all looking to go on the next worldwide junket study tour of bars and brothels manufacturing excellence.

  381. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 3:29 pm

    Toyota (or other manufacturers
    would probably say that Australia was their only manufacturing plant that had industrial action.

    No yomm, you would be saying that, and, as usual, you’d be entirely inaccurate!

    Business as usual 😉

  382. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 3:34 pm

    but there is little chance of deviation now.

    Election NOW()!

    Mass immigratio

    What the fark are you rabbiting on about? It’s not immigration, its temporary workers taking Australian jobs

  383. November 17, 2014 3:36 pm

    The revolution is here and now, we would be mad not to embrace it. One other thing which might interest you, the Communists have decided to reinstate Confucianism……So its important to take in the longer view.

    Gee where did you get that wisdom.. a fucking fortune cookie 🙄

  384. November 17, 2014 3:43 pm

    “It’s not immigration, its temporary workers taking Australian jobs”

    Not exactly. The Chinese want to build infrastructure here, provided they can bring some labour “at Australian wage rates in areas of skills shortages”.

    Without these particular projects the associated jobs are hypothetical and non-existent.

    #yellowperil
    #commojobstealers

  385. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2014 3:49 pm

    Signatories to the letter include the Australian Council of Trade Unions, Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union, National Union of Workers, Australian Workers Union, Textile Clothing and Footwear Union of Australia, United Voice, Transport Workers Union and the Rail Tram and Bus Union.

    That’s 9, and still doesn’t include the electricians or transport workers or engineers or clerks or count that vehicle, technical and metals divs of AMWU all act like different unions, as do the general and pulp/paper divisions of CFMEU.

    Yep, it’s all fine with unions in manufacturing, as long as they get to go on the next junket study tour to the best bars and brothels manufacturing plants on each continent.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dont-sell-out-australian-jobs-say-unions-20141117-11o3q4.html#ixzz3JIWYoopg

  386. Meta permalink
    November 17, 2014 3:54 pm

    (If waiting for 40 minutes in a room full of sick people isn’t going to stop people, what will?

    Being macho-macho-man, and delaying or denying the seeking of preventative and proactive medical attention, because it’s better to be seen a hero-for-the-ages than as merely mortal. It’s another possible ‘opinion’ as to why strongly and smartly creating unnecessary barriers to provision and utilization of basic universal health care, and actively promoting the discouragement of it, is to be commended. Not that I’d ever go so far as to suggest that a barking mad sociopath might benefit from a GP’s referral to address a patently obvious personality disorder; especially not one staking a personal claim to ‘curing cancer’ as the non-obvious, non sequitur trade-off for partaking of his peculiar brand of intrinsically-harmful snake-oil. Or, something like that.)

  387. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 3:54 pm

    and still doesn’t include the electricians or transport workers or

    “..Textile Clothing and Footwear Union of Australia, United Voice, Transport Workers Union and the Rail Tram and Bus Union.”

    😯

    😆

    Look up what the term “includes” means, and see if it differs at all from the term “all”

    ROFL

  388. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2014 4:00 pm

    What a magnificent G20 our PM has had.

    Striding like a colossus across the World Stage dominating the Chair like no other chairman before him. Simply superb. Superlatives of sufficient magnificence cannot be found in the English language.

    It was wonderful to see 3 superb world leaders like Abbott, Harper and Cameron push back against the silly and pathetic POTUS and his equally silly climate agenda.

    Fittingly economic growth (making money) was put to the fore

    Simply magnificent.

  389. Stephen Harper permalink
    November 17, 2014 4:07 pm

    Stephen Harper said Sunday that Canada is preparing to make a contribution to a UN fund that helps poor countries cope with the impact of climate change, a move that follows a $3-billion donation from the United States.

  390. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2014 4:09 pm

    “……….pretty difficult for the tories to argue the source …”

    Really……………..since when have sportswriters been quoted in the Climate Debate……..?

    Then there is this from your Link

    “China this year for the first time installed more renewable energy capacity than fossil fuels.”

    Whether that bit is true or not is not the point. But what is not mentioned is that China builds dams for hydro on a massive scale.

    But all you Lefties want to do is talk about expensive wind farms and solar.

    Dont mention dams…….it’ll upset our Greenie brothers and sisters

  391. November 17, 2014 4:09 pm

    #yellowperil
    #commojobstealers

    The pet hate of LNP and PUP supporters…

    Where’s the outrage FFS….???!!!

  392. David Cameron permalink
    November 17, 2014 4:12 pm

    British prime minister David Cameron has joined calls for Tony Abbott to do more to tackle climate change, saying “countries that have so far done the least have to think about what more they can do”.

    Cameron told Britain’s Sky News that every nation needed to “put more on the table” if the world was to reach a successful agreement in Paris next year on reducing greenhouse emissions after 2020.

    The UK is to pour hundreds of millions of pounds into a United Nations-backed fund designed to help developing countries tackle greenhouse gas emissions.

    David Cameron is finalising the exact amount that Britain will contribute to the Green Climate Fund, but confirmed at the close of the G20 summit in Brisbane on Sunday that the UK would “play its part”.

  393. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 4:14 pm

    Fittingly economic growth (making money) was put to the fore

    As if a shiny arse CPA* actually knows how to MAKE money … as opposed to shuffling productive peoples’ earnings around and skimming a bit for the “effort” …

    GUFFAW!

    And the diatribe you wrote above, Wally, is just as silly and “hopeful” as it actually sounds …

    GUFFAW!

  394. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 17, 2014 4:15 pm

    (After I posted the comment I noticed that I’d included Transport Workers, and wondered whether you’d be attentive enough to pick it up)

    But how many unions are involved in manufacturing? a dozen? All want their little fiefdom, their patch of membership, their place at the negotiating table, their area to f**k up.

  395. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 4:20 pm

    G’day, David … thanks for re-sharing … see … November 16, 2014 9:04 am above …

    Some here do tend not to read links here and often skim read comments … 😉

    Regards TB 🙂

  396. November 17, 2014 4:21 pm

  397. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2014 4:27 pm

    “Obviously, it goes without saying that G20 leaders – all of us – support strong and effective action to address climate change. Our actions will support sustainable development, economic growth and certainty for business and investment and, of course, we will all work constructively towards the climate change conference in Paris next year.”

    That’s it…………………….ROFLMAO………..that’s what was tagged onto the very bottom of the G20 final resolution. One of the very last paragraphs. Its hillarious that you Lefties see that as some kind of victory.

  398. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2014 4:31 pm

    “Another insult to our first Australians.”

    I do hope the Greens keep saying stupid fucking things like that.

  399. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 4:36 pm

    sreb, I just read your link and the comments below …

    Wonder if our refugee boats will be turned back when we head for China in a coupla years?

  400. November 17, 2014 4:46 pm

    Yes, some of the comments are insightful TB…

    Victor Tanti 12m ago:


    I’m afraid I’ve seen this happen before. A person (in this case Jones) has a big crush on someone (Abbott) and when those feelings are not returned, there is bitterness and that can turn into hate. Abbott needs for his political good to give Jones hope. Perhaps turn up for his next Jones interview wearing a purple skivvie or with a gift such some Barbara Streisand CDs or an old pair of his budgie smugglers.

    Pokokohua 1h ago:

    All we hear about is what Australia might get out of it, but what twill China get out of it. ‘ WE already have the closure of Ford, Holdem and Toyota and almost all home appliances, YVs and clothing are now made in China, which all means less jobs for Australians.
    The only beneficiaries will be the overseas owned mining companies who send their profits overseas, while we lose our jobs.

  401. G20 Communiqué permalink
    November 17, 2014 5:30 pm

    https://www.g20.org/sites/default/files/g20_resources/library/brisbane_g20_leaders_summit_communique.pdf

    19. We support strong and effective action to address climate change. Consistent with the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and its agreed outcomes, our actions will support sustainable development, economic growth, and certainty for business and investment. We will work together to adopt successfully a protocol, another legal instrument or an agreed outcome with legal force under the UNFCCC that is applicable to all parties at the 21st Conference of the Parties (COP21) in Paris in 2015. We encourage parties that are ready to communicate their intended nationally determined contributions well in advance of COP21 (by the first quarter of 2015 for those parties ready to do so). We reaffirm our support for mobilising finance for adaptation and mitigation, such as the Green Climate Fund.

  402. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2014 5:49 pm

    “19.”

    LOL

  403. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 5:55 pm

    From rebs guardian link

    Abbott said: “Well, Alan, I’m no expert on land ownership arrangements in China but China is still run by the Communist party. I’m not sure that anyone is that able to own land in China on an individual basis.”

    Didn’t he just spend a weekend talking to the Chinese, and he doesn’t have a clue about the country he just signed our jobs away, oops, “free Trade” with

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

  404. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 5:59 pm

    “19.”

    LOL

    What particular aspect of 19 you find funny? The fact that it is there even though the chairthingy really really didn’t want it?

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 6:00 pm

    Well, Alan, I’m no expert on anything but boxing …

  406. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 6:03 pm

    TR, I’m getting the impression that, Wally, is a bit like AJ and the whole mess is slowly dawning on him … and the last resoert is to makes highly irrational comments a laugh a lot .. not a good sign …

    Remember the Iraqi Foreign Minister yabbering as the tanks rolled into Baghdad behind him ….?

  407. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2014 6:07 pm

    “Wally, is a bit like AJ and the whole mess is slowly dawning on him … ”

    You must mean Obama’s mess. He cant get anything thru the Senate and China has promised nothing but biz as usual.

  408. Walrus permalink
    November 17, 2014 6:08 pm

    “What particular aspect of 19 you find funny?”

    That there are 18 more important points in front of it …………………….LOL

  409. egg permalink
    November 17, 2014 6:21 pm

    ‘What the fark are you rabbiting on about?’

    The infrastructure needs to be built soon to avoid further congestion in the major cities. Decentralisation is now on the political radar.

    ‘Australia’s population at 30 June 2012 of 22.7 million is projected to increase to between 36.8 million and 48.3 million in 2061, and reach between 42.4 million and 70.1 million in 2101.’

    ABS

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 6:28 pm

    See what I mean, TR … and egg’s back as scrambled as ever …

  411. November 17, 2014 6:54 pm

    I was hoping that maybe someone had poached egg.

  412. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 7:17 pm

    “a new case-by-case mechanism for Chinese investors to apply to bring in workers at Australian wage rates in areas of skills shortages.”

    Sounds reasonable.

    Its only reasonable until someone takes your job …

    … and guess what … there is no-one who will “police” what you think is “reasonable” …

    … and I thought you followed this government religiously … 😉

  413. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 7:29 pm

    He cant get anything thru the Senate

    Reminds me of a certain Budget

    That there are 18 more important points in front of it

    That no matter how much chairthingy wished it away, Climate Change just won’t go away.

    That’s putin his foot down 😆

    Its only reasonable until someone takes your job

    Which, as we have seen from the Korean “Free Trade” (job exporting) deal, is how our grubmint “negotiates”

    #commojobstealers

    It’s not stealin’ when your grubmint gives em away. 😉

  414. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 7:30 pm

    TB,

    The G20 Summit in Brisbane has just concluded.
    It has been a weekend of action to strengthen the world economy.
    By strengthening the world economy we support job creation at home.
    The action plan from our meeting in Brisbane contains 800 new measures to boost the world economy over the next five years.
    Our collective actions should inject an additional $2 trillion into the world economy and create millions of new jobs.
    For Australia and the world, this is new growth, over and above business as usual trends.
    The G20 has not just stated what we want to achieve, it has demonstrated how we will deliver it.
    Our message is: our world can grow and deliver the jobs that our people want.
    You can read more about our work to strengthen the world economy in the following statements on:
    • Encouraging economic growth
    • Building infrastructure
    • Closing the gender gap
    • Restoring fairness to the global tax system
    • Energy efficiency
    • Building resilience
    It has been a good weekend for Australia. We’ve seen co-operation, accountability and concrete plans.
    This weekend, the G20 has shifted a gear: from responding to events to setting an agenda for growth.
    That’s what the world expects of us – it wants more growth and more jobs.
    The economies of the world and Australia will be stronger because of the deliberations at this G20.
    Regards,

    Tony Abbott
    Prime Minister

    GUFFAW!

    Wrong planet Abbott … ask one of your Bishops what they think …

  415. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 7:30 pm

    Scrambled, poached, in this Climate (of Change) they’ll all be FRIED!

    (Unless the rest of the world can Go It Alone)

  416. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 7:34 pm

    Forgot this … naïve or what?

    https://www.google.com.au/search?newwindow=1&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1637&bih=911&q=tony+abbott+signature&oq=tony+abbott+signature&gs_l=img.12…1836.9432.0.11254.21.7.0.14.14.0.223.1167.0j5j1.6.0….0…1ac.1.58.img..10.11.1205.bRTFAr1LzjI#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=G7zweS3mZF2jfM%253A%3BzAaAEW0dxFzkVM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwebstore.2gb.com%252Fimages%252Finline%252Fabbott_signature.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.2gb.com%252Farticle%252Fstrong-australia%3B1906%3B693

  417. November 17, 2014 7:40 pm

    The barrackers have been shirt-fronted by this free-trade agreement.

  418. November 17, 2014 7:45 pm

    Mr Xi mentioned climate change not at all in his speech to parliament. Nor did Mr Abbott.

    Mr Shorten did.

    #keepitupbill
    #electoralpoison

  419. Tom R permalink
    November 17, 2014 7:57 pm

    The barrackers have been shirt-fronted by this free-trade agreement.

    Australian Jobs are barrackers?

  420. November 17, 2014 8:00 pm

    “Australian Jobs are barrackers?”

    And history has no relationship to reality.

    #strawmen
    #clutchingatstraws
    #yellowperil
    #unionsarexenophobes

  421. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 8:16 pm

    I really like your art thread, ToSY, you seem to know a lot about it …

  422. TB Queensland permalink
    November 17, 2014 8:36 pm

    Would you trust this man with your grand-children’s future?

    ‘Cause I don’t …

  423. November 17, 2014 8:37 pm

    Thanks, TB.

    (It feels like there’s a “but” coming, though. 😉 )

  424. November 17, 2014 9:32 pm

    ”””””””””””Responding to the significant post-2020 greenhouse gas reduction commitments by the US and China,
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/13/bill-shorten-accuses-tony-abbott-of-stubborn-isolationism-on-climate-change

    the prime minister said he was
    ””’not focusing on what is happening in 16 years’ time””’

    but rather on what his Direct Action scheme might achieve straight away.
    ””””””””””””””””””””’
    ”might achieve”? fcuking zero, tony,
    that`s what it `might achieve` #imbecile

  425. November 17, 2014 9:56 pm

    (For Certain; ””””The right has won control of the English-speaking world – thanks to the weakness of the left.

    Over the last three decades, leftwing parties in the English-speaking world have taken on much of the right’s antidemocratic programme and lost their souls.””””
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/14/the-right-has-won-control-of-the-english-speaking-world-thanks-to-the-weakness-of-the-left

    ””””Economic inequality has widened in the Anglosphere over the last 30 years, and even more sharply in the last decade. In the “recovery” from the global financial crisis, in the UK and the US middle class incomes have declined, with the gains going to the very rich. In former welfare states like the UK, austerity policies are literally starving vulnerable citizens. Conservatives in other Anglosphere countries, like Australia’s treasurer Joe Hockey, would dearly like to follow the Tories’ example.””””

    ””””The only exemption to the defunding of public services are military and intelligence agencies — the air forces of Australia, Canada, the US and Britain are busy fighting in a new phase of the endless, profligate, unwinnable war in the Middle East.””””

    ”””’Over the course of this war, intelligence cooperation between the proud liberal democracies of the Anglosphere has evolved into what Edward Snowden has called a “supra-national intelligence organisation that doesn’t answer to the laws of its own countries”.””””

    Jason too, recognizes `teabag-lite` is not much of a `selling-point`.
    Why go teabag-lite when you can have the full-strength teabag.?
    And Lenore could take a lesson in `writing-style` from Jason.)

  426. November 17, 2014 10:20 pm

    ””””’But how many unions are involved in manufacturing? a dozen? All want their little fiefdom, their patch of membership, their place at the negotiating table, their area to f**k up.””””’

    Bleat, bleat, bleat, from the corporate personal fluffer, but hey, lets ignore that industries with plenty of cnut employers existed `before` onions were created, usually by `their-own` trampled work-force. Giving away 1-value-adding manufacturing jobs `and` 2-access to local market-as-dumping ground, HAVE BOTH been unwise by the pollies.

  427. egg permalink
    November 18, 2014 7:16 am

    ”might achieve”? fcuking zero, tony,
    that`s what it `might achieve` #imbecile’

    Yes, well, the science is unsound. Keep in mind that DAP is only a sop.

  428. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2014 8:43 am

    “”……………….”might achieve”? fcuking zero, tony,…………””

    Funny how Tony’s Direct Action will achieve Zero yet Obama is being applauded for ………………………………………….wait for it……………………………Direct Action Policies

  429. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2014 8:53 am

    wait for it……………………………Direct Action Policies

    Are you able to highlight for us plebs how yabots paying companies to perhaps not emit as much stacks up against Obamas legislation that penalises those who do?

    I mean, One is legislation that restricts actual emissions through extending existing laws, whereas the other one is a ponzi sheme that gives money to big companies without any actual outcome needed. It could probably best be described as “socialism masquerading as environmentalism”

  430. egg permalink
    November 18, 2014 9:32 am

    Obama is a lame duck and has buckleys chance of getting his legislation through. As I said, DAP is a sop and will soon end up in the bottom draw.

  431. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2014 9:56 am

    Are you able to highlight for us plebs how yabots paying companies to perhaps not emit as much stacks up against Obamas legislation that penalises those who do?

    Consider starting a really dirty polluting business like a foundry and then ask for money to develop a filtering system for dust, smoke and toxic gases … we could make a fortune … out of taxpayer money … and become Robber Barons, TR >>>!

    And the story above of Gina R buying up big on dairy two days before the FTA is a classic media investigative piece in the 1960’s/70’s … won’t see it in the 21st Century I’ll bet!

    I wondered why she hopped out of Channel Ten so quickly …

  432. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2014 10:27 am

    Gina R buying up big on dairy two days before the FTA

    Nothing to see here, move along …

    Mind you, at least there is One Australian who won’t lose out of this (maybe soon) “Free Trade” Agreement

  433. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2014 10:31 am

    “And the story above of Gina R buying up big on dairy two days before the FTA is a classic media investigative piece in the 1960′s/70′s ”

    What a load of crap !!!!!!!!!

    Even I’ve had the foresight to purchase shares in companies involved in Beef (AACo), Wine (Treasury Wine Estates), Dairy (Bega), Fishing (Tassal) over the last 3 years.

    Why dont you lot read something other than this blog over the weekend. You complain about us wingnuts deserting you when we are in fact making use of our time doing research.

    Lazy Lefties always looking for a conspiracy to explain why they feel so bitter and angry.

  434. egg permalink
    November 18, 2014 11:11 am

    Walrus is correct, leftoids are narrow minded.

  435. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2014 11:21 am

    leftoids are narrow minded.

    ROFL

    says watts acolyte

    ROFL

  436. TB Queensland permalink
    November 18, 2014 11:33 am

    … over the last 3 years. … not two weeks! Foresight … chuckle …

    You complain about us wingnuts deserting you when we are in fact making use of our time doing research.

    Chortle … complain? In yer dreams …

  437. egg permalink
    November 18, 2014 12:08 pm

    ‘says watts acolyte’

    His blog is more interactive these days, which has attracted more wits.

  438. Tom R permalink
    November 18, 2014 12:09 pm

    you spelt “twits” wrong … again

  439. egg permalink
    November 18, 2014 12:13 pm

    They have some good weather jokes.

  440. Walrus permalink
    November 18, 2014 12:33 pm

    “… complain? In yer dreams …”

    Really………………………..barely 48 hours ago you were wondering where we were.

    OK…….I see…………a n aged and barely functioning memory…………

    “The “left” here criticise both sides and the centre of politics … when the going gets tough for The Abbott’s lot … they all fk off … “

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