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Rostrum: Utterly Disgusted Edition!

November 21, 2014

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It wasn’t that long ago that we all felt that politics had reached the farther most depths of the murky cesspit of lies and filth with what was then called “the Howard government.”

Fast forward a few years and today those halcyon years seem pale in comparison to the gutter filth of Australian politics we have to contend with today.

Despite our once great democracy being trashed by the leprosypic lizard creature who inhabits the lodge, levity can still be found in the peripheries of parliament particularly in the form of the Palmer United Party (PUP).

The relationship between best friends and senior party colleagues Jacqui Lambie and Clive Palmer has taken what can best be described as “a digression from diplomacy,” with Clive Palmer calling Lambie a “liar” who needs psychiatric help.

Lambie herself is no stranger to controversy, having once weighed in at 104 kilograms, suffering from alcoholism, depression and waking in a Tasmanian psychiatric ward.   It was against this backdrop that she emerged as the perfect candidate to represent Tasmania in Federal Parliament.

In a world where politicians are carefully scripted and manicured to within an inch of their lives before facing the media, PUP Leader Clive Palmer has launched his own style of media management which is set to re-write the rule book..

Go Clive!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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453 Comments leave one →
  1. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2014 2:59 pm

    “… a “liar” who needs psychiatric help”

    On my calculation that applies to at least 50% of their parliamentary representation.

  2. Tom R permalink
    November 21, 2014 3:24 pm

    “… a “liar” who needs psychiatric help”

    That may or may not be true, but, wither way, this still applies.

    It says something about our politics that Jacqui Lambie and Ricky Muir are now part of the Coalition of Common Sense that is actually (on this occasion at least) making more sense than the government.

    http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/global_triumph_conceals_house_of_jNWCX7lLYJBtDnJbp2DcXK

    Even the fruit loops of the palmer disunited party make our actual grubmint look stupid by comparison

  3. Tom R permalink
    November 21, 2014 3:28 pm

    This morning, on the wireless, I heard the finance minister, Mathias Cormann, say the government wasn’t making cuts to the ABC.

    The day before, I heard the communications minister, Malcolm Turnbull, say Tony Abbott hadn’t actually promised before last September’s election not to cut the budgets of the ABC and SBS. If Abbott had said something like that, then he didn’t mean it; and more likely, we’d all just misunderstood what the prime minister had said.

    Also on Wednesday, I heard the prime minister tell the French president, Francois Hollande, that part of the Australian government’s policy arsenal to combat the risks associated with climate change involved funding an agency called the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.

    What he didn’t tell the French president was the government intends to abolish the CEFC.

    In politics at the present time, we are drowning in nonsense.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/20/abc-climate-change-the-coalition-is-drowning-us-in-nonsense

    Far be it for me to point out that much of our inability to “hear correctly” just what the previous opposition was promising or were not promising could well be sheeted home to those now alarmingly looking at the fucking corrupt mess we now have “governing” us, and probably wondering ‘how could this have happened”?

  4. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2014 3:47 pm

    I suppose Obama could pop over to Canada (or Canadia) and a talking to about the (likely) destruction of the world heritage listed glaciers on the Canadian/USA border

    And pull down the tangled network near some of the other sites.

  5. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2014 3:47 pm

    …and give them a talking to…

  6. Tom R permalink
    November 21, 2014 3:57 pm

    😯

  7. egg permalink
    November 21, 2014 4:31 pm

    ‘…and give them a talking to…’

    Fat chance, the Canadian PM is of sceptical bent and would down Obama on that score.

  8. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2014 4:33 pm

    Maybe Obama isn’t interested in his daughters seeing the world heritage listed glaciers on the US/Canad(i)a border. Otherwise he’d be hanging around there lecturing them on the subject.

  9. egg permalink
    November 21, 2014 4:47 pm

    Apparently Its highly unusual for an Australian foreign minister to openly criticise a US president.

  10. Meta permalink
    November 21, 2014 4:50 pm

    (“Fat chance, the Canadian PM is of sceptical bent and would down Obama on that score.”

    Correct; it’s best to take the sugar off the table when navigating the hall of flags.)

  11. egg permalink
    November 21, 2014 5:27 pm

    ‘He said certain products like sugar, rice, cotton and some grains, were “regrettably” excluded from the agreement.

    “These products will be in high demand in China over coming years and must be included in the review arrangements after three years,” he said.

    Not so bad, the demand is out there as China’s middle class grows. Patience is required.

  12. November 21, 2014 5:59 pm

    Far be it for me to point out that much of our inability to “hear correctly”

    That’s gold Tom… 🙂

  13. Walrus permalink
    November 21, 2014 6:09 pm

    “”Patience is required.””

    These are ground breaking developments if we get it right in the way we produce stuff in so far as quality and quantity. China’s population was 1.357 Billion last year and India 1.252 Billion.

    Its been estimated that China currently sits development wise at the approximate point that the USA was in 1910. Yep 104 years ago.

    Sure it has between 15 and 20 million apartments vacant at the moment (apparently all those concrete shells don’t even have plumbing or electrical fitted, nor bathrooms) so we might have a slowdown at the moment but time will eventually munch thru the oversupply as we have seen in the USA.

    As far as India is concerned with its development we will se. The new guy is doing some positive things like encouraging people to open bank accounts and start saving.

    There are winners and losers in every FTA. Its upto Australians to spot the opportunities.

    So I’m very positive about the possibilies of having access to 2 combined markets 100 times the size of our population.

  14. November 21, 2014 6:28 pm

    “So I’m very positive”

    Well that’s a fkn first!!

  15. egg permalink
    November 21, 2014 6:31 pm

    All that Walrus said is true, a time of great prosperity looms.

  16. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2014 7:09 pm

    “So I’m very positive”

    Well that’s a fkn first!!

    Until you figure the “Its upto (sic) Australians to spot the opportunities.

    The “Australians” are the catlik duo of Barnaby Joyce and Andrew Robb … the same intellectual prowess as Clivey!

    Just WTF is actually running my country?

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2014 7:10 pm

    And guess what Clivey’s religion is … Jesus wept … another liar, cheat, oops, he might sue me!

  18. November 21, 2014 7:13 pm

    “And guess what Clivey’s religion is “

    Money….?

  19. egg permalink
    November 21, 2014 7:27 pm

    ‘China currently sits development wise at the approximate point that the USA was in 1910.’

    If we become the food bowl of Asia, then Australia is situated around mid 19th century America, as they began to build the transcontinental railway to open up the west.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2014 7:32 pm

    Money….?

    Sharp … they all seem to be avaricious bastards …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If we become the food bowl of Asia, then Australia is situated around mid 19th century America, as they began to build the transcontinental railway to open up the west.

    Just ’cause China is situated at 1910 (I’d like a link for that – although I don’t think Wally has the aptitude for links) … that doesn’t mean Australia is you fool!

  21. November 21, 2014 7:37 pm

    l suspect teabag-media are making much more of the Clive and Jaqui Show than is warranted, however, stay tuned, Clive will do more on-air walk-outs and unhinge folks like Emma in the future. Like a certain reportland, latelineland and the rest of my abc, won`t have learned any lessons in dealing with Clive and the other `new-comers`, so l suspect while you won`t be informed viewers, you `will` be entertained!

  22. November 21, 2014 7:43 pm

    ””Not so bad, the demand is out there as China’s””

    (For Certain; citizens of Canadia will be `over-joyed` when they receive their first consignment of maple syrup from China, where the value-adding can be done much cheaper and cleaner.)

  23. egg permalink
    November 21, 2014 7:48 pm

    ‘… that doesn’t mean Australia is you fool!’

    Progress won’t stop just because you want it to. Keep your eyes on these borers, bet they could easily burrow through the sandstone curtain.

  24. November 21, 2014 7:49 pm

    ””If we become the food bowl of Asia””

    Still running with this horse-shit huh dumpty. Even the bumpkins like katter and barnaby will tell you this is crap. At best `we` will be the glorified `occasional` snack supplier.

  25. egg permalink
    November 21, 2014 7:52 pm

    Those two are playing it down, don’t want to startle the horses.

  26. TB Queensland permalink
    November 21, 2014 8:23 pm

    ‘… that doesn’t mean Australia is you fool!’

    Progress won’t stop just because you want it to. Keep your eyes on these borers, bet they could easily burrow through the sandstone curtain.

    WTF are you on … you went back to fkn 1910 with the dick

  27. November 21, 2014 8:28 pm

    I can’t find the recipe thread.

  28. egg permalink
    November 21, 2014 9:02 pm

    ‘…you went back to fkn 1910 with the dick’

    Yeah, but I went further.

  29. November 21, 2014 9:27 pm

  30. November 21, 2014 9:40 pm

    ””””’Keep your eyes on these borers, bet they could easily burrow through the sandstone curtain.

    WTF are you on … you went back to fkn 1910 with the dick”””TB/dumpty

    @TB, dumpty is wetting herself over `road-tunnel-borers` building more fcuking toll-roads/tunnels and private-railroad under sydny/nsw. There is 4of`em in total, l know one is currently digging, can`t remember is the other 3-borers are made/delivered yet.
    #teabag-panty-wetting

  31. November 21, 2014 9:50 pm

    On the up-side dumpty, the 4-tunnel borers are providing minimal employment to aussies, another `wonderful` decision by teabags, regular strength and unleaded. The important thing is they made sure all the value-adding jobs were done in North-america, asia and europa!

  32. November 21, 2014 10:07 pm

    this is why we keep getting crap,

    ”””’In state and federal elections, about 95% of people opt to vote above the line, with their preferences allocated according to the party’s choice.””””

    and monckton is in vic, helping the cranks

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/21/lord-monckton-lends-support-to-victorian-micro-party-rise-up-australia

    Do victorians need more cranks.? Doesn`t canberra fulfill their `crank` requirements.? Do they have nsw disease.?

  33. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 21, 2014 10:22 pm

    Catchy tune!!

    http://riseupaustraliaparty.com/?page_id=1136

  34. November 21, 2014 10:26 pm

    ””transparency campaigners say state lags on integrity””

    ””Major parties have rejected proposals to strengthen anti-corruption body and political funding rules, say former judges
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/21/victorian-election-transparency-campaigners-say-state-lags-on-integrity
    ”””””””””’

    ””Both the Liberal and Labor parties have rejected proposals to strengthen Victoria’s anti-corruption body and political funding rules, a non-partisan group has found.””

    Yep team-cheerers, another example of `regular` and `unleaded` teabags undermining the confidence of the public, with no sign of improvement.

    #nice find/s dunny

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  38. egg permalink
    November 21, 2014 11:05 pm

    ‘WTF are you on …’

  39. Meta permalink
    November 22, 2014 2:01 am

    (Co-incidentally: Left or right-wing? Brain’s disgust response tells all.

    ———————————————

    “Progress won’t stop just because you want it to. Keep your eyes on these borers, bet they could easily burrow through the sandstone curtain.”

    Keep digging?)

  40. November 22, 2014 7:48 am

    Political correctness gone mad!!

  41. November 22, 2014 7:53 am

    “Co-incidentally: Left or right-wing? Brain’s disgust response tells all.”

    THAT’S DISGUSTING!!

  42. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 8:57 am

    How to win an election without really trying.

    ‘Plans for the extra harbour tunnel have been under development for months, and are expected to be included in the next State Infrastructure Strategy, due for imminent release.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/revealed-second-sydney-harbour-road-tunnel-20141121-11r3e1.html#ixzz3Jk6d3M9B

  43. November 22, 2014 10:24 am

  44. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2014 10:45 am

    So Obama just willfully ignored advice about a speech that intervened in domestic politics, but it is contentious when a politician provides a political reply…

    BARACK Obama defied the ¬advice of his embassy in Canberra to deliver a stinging attack on the Abbott government’s climate policies in Brisbane last weekend.
    The US embassy, under the leadership of ambassador John Berry, advised the President, through his senior staff, not to couch his climate change comments in a way that would be seen as disobliging to the Abbott government, sources have revealed.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/obama-ignored-embassys-warnings-on-climate-change-speech/story-fnpebfcn-1227131290194

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 22, 2014 11:32 am

    “BARACK Obama defied the ¬advice of his embassy in Canberra to deliver a stinging attack on the Abbott government’s climate policies in Brisbane last weekend.

    If this is true why would Obama do something like that? What is the motive?

  46. November 22, 2014 12:37 pm

    Ellis just Broke me up today…
    http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2014/11/22/testing/

  47. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2014 2:35 pm

    I suppose if you’re The President of the US of A, you might believe it is your RIGHT to determine the agenda of any meeting you’re attending, and might feel a little miffed if everyone doesn’t fall for your charm, and power!!

    Particularly if the previous PM did lots of giggling and footy handballing to show how enthralled she was with a Powerful and Charming President of the US of A!!

  48. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 3:12 pm

    It does appear the Alliance is on sounder footing with Bishop and Abbott at the helm. China quietly woos us with flattery and the promise of a golden century for all humanity, by comparison America is in quite a bit of debt and lacks a similar vision.

    So its OK in my book to rebuke the leader of the free world for being an idiotic lame duck.

  49. Meta permalink
    November 22, 2014 3:24 pm

    (“It does appear the Alliance is on sounder footing with Bishop and Abbott at the helm.”

    Indeed

    “Bishop’s personal political stocks have soared in recent months due to some forceful international diplomacy on the MH17 disaster and the rise of the Islamic State terrorist group. Her intervention on the Reef is unlikely to faze Obama, or harm relations. But some of the gloss has come of Bishop’s credentials as a moderate alternative to Abbott.”)

  50. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 3:31 pm

    you might believe it is your RIGHT to determine the agenda of any meeting you’re attending

    Actually yomm, it was the G19 who wanted to talk about it. yabot thought that as HOST he could set the agenda.

    It was no secret that the G19 wanted it on the agenda. In the end, it appears that they just decided to ignore yabots ignorance and boorishness and discuss what they all wanted to discuss.

    I’m pretty sure Obama didn’t mind speaking a few truths after yabot pig ignorant display of earlier this year when in Canadia he tried to get a group of like minded denier nations to stymie America, and then went grovelling to Obama saying the fucking opposite. What a man of traction

    Well, Obama certainly put the dampers on that 🙂

    It’s not hard to see why yabot’s considered “the Village Idiot” or, as someone else put it

  51. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 3:35 pm

    So its OK in my book to rebuke the leader of the free world for being an idiotic lame duck.

    Funny, weren’t youse yousual suspects saying the same thing shortly before the last election over there?

    And yet the little ducky is still getting around splashing shit on little upstarts 😆

    yor book

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  52. Meta permalink
    November 22, 2014 3:35 pm

    (Elsewhere, something vaguely thematic (and orange’n’blue), from David Pope…

    And, on a more or less upbeat note: Great Barrier Reef will be ‘slaughtered’: scientists dismiss Julie Bishop’s claim reef not at risk.)

  53. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 3:37 pm

    So Obama just willfully ignored advice

    This, considering the sauce, is the relevant bit yomm

    If this is true

    Not that the intrepid reporters of the murdoch stables would misrepresent anything to suit their agenda. They are all far above that sort of behavior 😉

  54. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 3:41 pm

    “There’s no doubt about that at all, if carbon-dioxide emissions keep on tracking as they are.”

    I couldn’t possibly comment.

  55. Meta permalink
    November 22, 2014 3:56 pm

    (Speaking of NewsCrop and sauces, “How many Australian summers are not hot summers?”, Tony Abbott asks, today, from poolside in Hornsby. And, anecdotally-speaking, it seems the sort of question which NewsCrop might make some attempt to answer, yesterday: Yep, summer’s gonna be a scorcher, and El Niño’s got a lot do with it (Bonus: we explain what an El Niño actually is).)

  56. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 4:37 pm

    “How many Australian summers are not hot summers?”

    Not many.

  57. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 4:44 pm

    ‘In nearly 100 years of forecasting, this is one of the biggest anomalies the Bureau has ever seen.’

    Difficult to tell with so much homogenisation going on, but I know for a fact that 1879 saw a bigger anomalie.

  58. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 4:49 pm

    From your SMH link Meta

    Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, director of the university’s Global Change Institute

    ROFL

    Yea, I’ll bet he doesn’t even own a snorkel, so what would he know!

    I have read a first hand account from a REAL ziontist (?), who actually claims to OWN a snorkel that it is fine. So move along, nothing to see here!

    Those Hawaiian shirt wearing pranksters can just go back to their “data” and “models” that just happened to accurately predict what we are currently experiencing and shove it up their “consensus” as far as it’ll fit.

    We don’t need Evidence, we got Snorkels!

  59. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 4:51 pm

    “How many Australian summers are not hot summers?”, Tony Abbott asks,

    But how many ineptid churnalists bothered to ask “but how many are this hot?”, perhaps with a follow up “and how many of those are within the last decade or so?”

  60. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 4:53 pm

    I know for a fact that 1879 saw a bigger anomalie.

    ROFL

    egg and facts

    ROFL

  61. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 4:55 pm

    Particularly if the previous PM did lots of giggling and footy handballing to show how enthralled she was with a Powerful and Charming President of the US of A!!

    Really yomm, it’s time to move on and just get over her. It can’t be good for the Sole

    😆

  62. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 5:04 pm

    “but how many are this hot?”

    PM: ‘Its been a warm Spring, there is no denying it, but there is no certainty that this summer will be warmer than usual. BoMs seasonal forecasting is shit.’

  63. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 5:49 pm

    The Third Way

    ‘There’s also the very real chance that when Xi is celebrating Confucius, he is speaking from his heart, not his political head—that this is the real Xi, committed to both the classics and the Marxist establishment at the same time, and looking for a way to combine the two into a new political program for the nation.’

    R L Moses
    WSJ

  64. November 22, 2014 5:58 pm

    Lame duck Obama is taking the opportunity to wedge loons & pantywetters all over the place.

    Highly amusing.

  65. November 22, 2014 5:59 pm

    YomM sure is putting up a spirited rearguard defence of the Abbott Government. Interesting.

  66. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 22, 2014 6:21 pm

    “Lame duck Obama is taking the opportunity to wedge loons & pantywetters all over the place”

    If that is why Obama said what he did, I would find that strange. Just to create trouble?

    I think a growing population will do more damage to the reef than any increase in CO2. A growing population means more land clearing, more farms, more agricultural run-off, more shipping and more everything. I think increasing CO2 is not a problem for the reef.

  67. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2014 6:36 pm

    Yep, I think it is hilarious when the ALP pretends to get all bothered about us upsetting our Great and Powerful Friend.

    I preferred Obama to the Republican slime Mitt Romney, but then I preferred Hilary Clinton to Obama.

    It’s quite clear that Obama doesn’t give a crap about whether he’s doing Abbott any political favours or not, which is fine with me, but it the expressions of concern about Bishop’s reply by Tanya Plibersek is extremely amusing.

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 22, 2014 6:49 pm

    I seem the recall the ALP condemning the Howard govt for sucking up to the USA.

    All the ALP seems to do is suck up to Obama. Gillard was the worst.

  69. November 22, 2014 6:52 pm

    I meant anti-AGW loons & anti(US)immigration pantywetters; just to clarify.

    Did you read the links, YomM? which go some way towards putting the ludicrous contradictory stances of our current government under the microscope.

    Of course the ALP is going to make hay out of it all. I wonder if the last opposition employed similar opportunist tactics?

    Personally, I think Obama is fully aware he’s been politically neutered for the rest of his tenure, and he’s doing some fairly calculated political maneuvering which may bear fruit in the next race (for which he is ineligible) for POTUS (especially with yesterday’s announcements on US immigration). The hubris of the US Right at the moment is short sighted & possibly fatally triumphalist.

  70. November 22, 2014 6:54 pm

    Is now the right time to say how disgusted I am?

    Very. Extremely. Utterly.

  71. November 22, 2014 6:56 pm

    “I seem the recall the ALP condemning the Howard govt for sucking up to the USA.”

    No Australian government should ‘suck up to the USA’, but they all do.

    If Obama carried on about jihadist threats in Australia, condemned our ‘boat people’ or praised Big Coal, the Abbott Government would be publically licking his arse from the highest rooftops by tomorrow morning.

    They only got bent out of shape because their flatearthish tendencies got pricked by POTUS.

  72. November 22, 2014 6:59 pm

    “flatearthish tendencies”

    Guffaw.

  73. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:06 pm

    But no. Without even a flicker of irony, Abbott and Bishop again dug in further, arguing one reason Australia didn’t intend to commit to the international Green Climate Fund was that it already had the domestic CEFC (neglecting to mention this was only because they haven’t been able to get rid of it yet).

    From toilets link at 6:01 pm, which, as he mentioned, goes a long way in explaining just how stupid and inept yabot and his ministers have been on the issue of (“insert issue here”)

    I seem the recall the ALP condemning the Howard govt for sucking up to the USA.

    I seem the recall the ALP condemning the Howard govt for blindly following the USA into an abysmal war based on a lie.

    Whereas now, we are having a hissy fit all because the USA (and the remaining G19 nations) are taking the best advice of scientists and economists, instead of listening to nutjobs and crazies on the internets like our grubmint is doing.

    The article linked to by toilet is an excellent one highlighting just how bereft of anything resembling a clue this grubmint is.

  74. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:11 pm

    flatearthish tendencies

    🙂

  75. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:13 pm

    Again, from toilets link

    Bolt reckons the government should dig harder, be more ideological and intransigent.

    I disagree. I think it would be better, politically and in the interests of good policy and general sanity, for the government to stop digging for a while.

    I get the feeling, with the likes of bolt egging them on, the digging will continue for quite a while yet.

  76. November 22, 2014 7:14 pm

    Pro-COALitionists in this country act like the last election was a referendum on AGW, which they imagine themselves to have won. In actual fact, it was a pseudo-referendum on the Carbon ‘Tax’/ETS.

    Not the same things.

    I love how anti_AGW zealots align themselves with anti-abortion & other conservative nutjobbery (ala Monckton).

    Says heaps about their intended target demographic.

  77. November 22, 2014 7:16 pm

    “The article linked to by toilet is an excellent one highlighting just how bereft of anything resembling a clue this grubmint is.”

    Oh. Lenore taylor states her predictable opinion in the Guardian on the government and climate change. Quelle surprise.

    (Taylor’s opinions are as predictable as Tom R’s agreeing with them.)

  78. November 22, 2014 7:20 pm

    “I love how anti_AGW zealots align themselves with anti-abortion & other conservative nutjobbery (ala Monckton).”

    I love how you conflate completely different issues to (try and) discredit AGW sceptics. But DENIERS(!) are all nutjobz, so all’s fair in love and war, I suppose?

  79. November 22, 2014 7:22 pm

    I think maybe someone’s been over-imbibing the Crikey Kool-Aid.

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:22 pm

    “There’s no doubt about that at all, if carbon-dioxide emissions keep on tracking as they are.”

    I couldn’t possibly comment.

    Overtly …

    “How many Australian summers are not hot summers?”

    Not many.

    Do you actually live in Australia …?

    but I know for a fact that 1879 saw a bigger anomalie.

    Got a link for that? (a credible link)

    There’s also the very real chance that when Xi is celebrating Confucius, he is speaking from his heart, not his political head—that this is the real Xi, committed to both the classics and the Marxist establishment at the same time, and looking for a way to combine the two into a new political program for the nation.’

    Ignorant incompatibility!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think a growing population will do more damage to the reef than any increase in CO2. A growing population means more land clearing, more farms, more agricultural run-off, more shipping and more everything. I think increasing CO2 is not a problem for the reef.

    LOL! LOL! LOL! .,…

  81. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:23 pm

    Yes. I wonder who Lenore votes for? It generally easy to work out which party a journalist votes for.

    I will believe a politician believes in AGW when they stop using fossil fuels. Coal exports exploded under Rudd/Gillard. The USA is getting lots of gas from fracking.

  82. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:25 pm

    Yeah, it’s the political hypocrisy I love.

    But I haven’t read the links and now I’m on my way out for some frivolity, with some people that will pretend they’re 25 by 10 pm.

  83. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:29 pm

    … it’s the political hypocrisy I love…

    On both sides, I’m enthralled by the ability of politicians to make statements diametrically opposed without apparently being aware of how ridiculous they look.

  84. November 22, 2014 7:31 pm

    “It generally easy to work out which party a journalist votes for.”

    Or who they barrack for. You can generally tell by which paper they work for.

    You’ll notice leftoids here will link to the SMH, The Age, The Guardian, and The saturday Paper.

    Wingnuts will link to the Australian, The Daily Telegraph, and The Herald Sun.

    That’s because the articles/opinion pieces published will generally support their point of view.

  85. November 22, 2014 7:32 pm

    “I love how you conflate completely different issues to (try and) discredit AGW sceptics.”

    You may find that it was Monckton et al who brought those issues under the ‘same banner’.

    I can’t take credit for the conflation!

    I think maybe you are conflating The Guardian with Crikey (which I’ve never subscribed to & never visited, apart from when links to it are [rarely] posted here…or during the amusing Pure Poison interlude) BTW.

    I didn’t register a personal position on AGW anywhere above. And I know that most of them only pay lip service to it, Neil.

  86. November 22, 2014 7:36 pm

    “On both sides, I’m enthralled by the ability of politicians to make statements diametrically opposed without apparently being aware of how ridiculous they look.”

    I believe they are massaging their non-attentive base (before they throw them under the next expedient bus) because they must & it’s virtually effortless.

    Often times, they overestimate the magnitude of said base.

  87. November 22, 2014 7:39 pm

    I read polemics from both sides of the fence. I’ve probably linked Bolt more than any ‘left’ site ever. Feel free to verify if you’re bored.

    I wouldn’t read AIMN though, because it’s not ‘independent’ of cheap partisan gravy…as borne by its genesis.

  88. November 22, 2014 7:40 pm

    “I didn’t register a personal position on AGW anywhere above. ”

    Really? You commented on the current governments “flatearthish tendencies”. I’m keen to hear what else could you possibly have been referring to.

  89. November 22, 2014 7:41 pm

    Didn’t notice much critique of what Taylor penned though…aside from the fact that she had an opinion.

  90. November 22, 2014 7:45 pm

    “aside from the fact that she had an opinion.”

    Well, that says it all, doesn’t it? She’s pro-Labor, and all her writings confirm it. What’s to critique?

    (Pick out some points, if you can be bothered. Let’s see how they stand up.)

  91. November 22, 2014 7:50 pm

    “the amusing Pure Poison interlude”

    Yeah. Hilarious. That Ross Sharp was always a barrell of laughs.

  92. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:50 pm

    ‘Got a link for that?’

  93. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:56 pm

    The USA is getting lots of gas from fracking.

    Its their diet …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    On both sides, I’m enthralled by the ability of politicians to make statements diametrically opposed without apparently being aware of how ridiculous they look.

    One side seems to do it a bit more than the other at the moment … but I get your “drift” …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s because the articles/opinion pieces published will generally support their point of view.

    And those of us who have actually read (and have a copy of) The Art of War … will link to the opposite to “their point of view” …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    (Pick out some points, if you can be bothered. Let’s see how they stand up.)

    That’s just being picky, ToSY! 🙄

  94. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 7:57 pm

    ‘Ignorant incompatibility!’

    Too early to call, my Marxist associate says ‘China is not a role model for any country. It is a fascist dictatorship!!!!’

  95. November 22, 2014 7:57 pm

    “And those of us who have actually read (and have a copy of) The Art of War … will link to the opposite to “their point of view” …”

    Good to know you think you’re at war. Got an example of when you’ve done that?

  96. November 22, 2014 8:01 pm

    “Pick out some points, if you can be bothered. Let’s see how they stand up”

    Maybe you’d like to write about what she said that you disagree with & why?

    see what I did there

  97. November 22, 2014 8:05 pm

    “Maybe you’d like to write about what she said that you disagree with & why?”

    Yeah, not really. You lazily linked to her. I lazily didn’t bother reading your link. Tom R lazily praised your link. I lazily criticised his praise. You lazily asked for a critique of her opinion. I lazily asked you to pick out some debating points. You lazily asked me to pick them out.

    This is me saying I’m too lazy to bother doing anything of the sort.

    #lazyleftoidlenore

  98. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 9:15 pm

    Xi visits the land of the long white cloud.

    ‘Key said New Zealand and China have a tremendous future together and there are numerous opportunities for them to hope for a higher and better standard of living for their people.

    “For that relationship to be truly successful, it is not just a matter of central governments working together or indeed people working together. It is also very important that we make sure that our local governments intertwine and work closely together,” he said.

    China Daily

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    November 22, 2014 10:13 pm

    egg, that’s a graph not a link … graphs need explanation … (don’t bother I found it anyway) ..

    … one year is not enough … but I notice the trend is down … got a graph (and link) for 1996 t0 2013? Now that’s a bit harder to find …

    ‘China is not a role model for any country. It is a fascist dictatorship!!!!’

    Get some new friends … China is Marxist state with elected reps … fascism is 180 degrees away … a true diktat …

  100. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 10:37 pm

    ‘got a graph (and link) for 1996 t0 2013? Now that’s a bit harder to find …’

  101. November 22, 2014 10:56 pm

    ”””””””””’Or who they barrack for. You can generally tell by which paper they work for.

    You’ll notice leftoids here will link to the SMH, The Age, The Guardian, and The saturday Paper.

    Wingnuts will link to the Australian, The Daily Telegraph, and The Herald Sun.””””””

    #this a pretty simplistic summary Tinfoil`osy. lf your`e only talking about `link-dropping` then you are possibly `somewhat` correct. (l aint seen data on it)

    #if ya`talking about page-hit referrals, Limited-News pays google more and usually has the top search results, 11-million aussies on fakebook, get their numbers, fb-users are the big proportion at the moment.(l`m not on fb, so can`t quote)

    #But l would still guess subscribers/followers, rss, social-family recommendations are the most effective(meaning READ, not skim) webpages.

    #but if you were only meaning `link-dropping`, should/do you include paid-to-troll like dumpty and kneel, or `mockery when dunny drops bolt.? lts` not quantity that counts, which is missed big-time by corporates.

  102. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 11:20 pm

    Wingnuts will link to the Australian, The Daily Telegraph, and The Herald Sun.

    Am I a wingnut now? Mind you, mostly when I link to the oz, it’s to highlight how they have got it wrong, again, with supporting links to evidence that shows how they got it wrong. Real wingnuts use “well, they would say that” as their evidence, hey tosy 😉

    aside from the fact that she had an opinion.

    To be pedantic, toilet, it was a series of facts littered with related facts that highlighted the inanity of the grubmints alternating positions 😉

    I wouldn’t read AIMN though, because it’s not ‘independent’ of cheap partisan gravy

    I have drifted awy from the Independent Australia site for the same reason toilet, although, I still do drift back from time to time. I find myself more often than not at New Matilda, who appear to be fairly frank and uncompromising in their reporting.

    She’s pro-Labor, and all her writings confirm it.

    Yea tosy, except when she was mixing her sauces 😉

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/how-long-can-it-last-20110902-1jq7c.html

    Pick out some points, if you can be bothered. Let’s see how they stand up.</i.

    I'm up for it 😉

    1) she quotes bishop "“Of course the Great Barrier Reef will be preserved for generations to come. We don’t believe it is in danger,” Bishop said, with complete certainty."

    Lenore highlights the inanity by mentioning this "“Recent extreme climatic events show significant vulnerability of some ecosystems and many human systems to current climate variability (very high confidence)" which comes from "the most recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which says (in chapter 25 – the one about Australasia):" or "Even the government’s own “outlook report”, from the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, found climate change posed the most serious threat reef"

    So, as I mentioned, the best scientific advice tells us that the GBR IS under extreme pressure from Climate Change, yet bishop wants to lecture Obama by saying "will not!"

    WTF!!

    Again, highlighting the inanity and absolute bare faced cheek of the grubmint, she goes on

    2)"Without even a flicker of irony, Abbott and Bishop again dug in further, arguing one reason Australia didn’t intend to commit to the international Green Climate Fund was that it already had the domestic CEFC (neglecting to mention this was only because they haven’t been able to get rid of it yet)."

    This, after bragging about repealing the main driver of our emission reduction, the ETS.

    But number three is the corker. After screaming for years about "trust", now,apparently, it is our inability to listen correctly which has let us down (don't they unnerstand we have inernets still, murdochs master plan has not come yet come to fruition), not the grubmint saying one thing before the election, and another after.

    3) "“Well – well, look, you know, I mean, I’ve defended the prime minister on this today and earlier in the week. I think you’ve got to take his comments, which – look, I mean, what he said, he said, and, you know, it’s there, it’s on the record. But you’ve got to take that in the context. And I can only assume that what Mr Abbott was referring to or was thinking about, anyway, was the proposition that there would be cuts in – with the intent of reducing ABC services and we’ve ruled that out,” he said, not sounding coherent or convincing."

    Take yer pick tosy, which one are you knocking over first 😉

    I'll be back in the morning, as I still have far too much of the bottle left 😉

  103. Tom R permalink
    November 22, 2014 11:21 pm

    🙂

  104. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 11:23 pm

    ‘Get some new friends … ‘

    They are waiting for the revolution, Marx said it would come from an advanced capitalist society. They are disconnected from reality and are not aware that China will bring them their revolution.

  105. egg permalink
    November 22, 2014 11:38 pm

    “We don’t believe it is in danger,” Bishop said, with complete certainty.’

    And for good scientific reasons.

    ‘So, as I mentioned, the best scientific advice tells us that the GBR IS under extreme pressure from Climate Change’

    ‘Best scientific advice’ is probably from Ove, alarmist and unreliable.

    ““Recent extreme climatic events show significant vulnerability of some ecosystems and many human systems to current climate variability (very high confidence)”

    And I can find scientists who claim the IPCC is talking through its hat. There have been no extreme climate events of particular interest and any that you spot I’ll prove that it was caused by natural variability.

  106. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2014 12:26 am

    ‘got a graph (and link) for 1996 t0 2013? Now that’s a bit harder to find …’

    I think its been referred to as Climate Change for a few years now … just a bit different to Global Warming ….

    Anyway … enough … I’d hate to get you banned again …

    ==========================================

    … apparently, it is our inability to listen correctly …

    We must be sleepwalking over a cliff or sumfin’, TR … 😯

  107. November 23, 2014 12:58 am

    ”””””’Am I a wingnut now?(#l`m sure you do your best tomR) Mind you, mostly when I link to the oz, it’s to highlight how they have got it wrong, again,”””””’

    #sure TomR, Tinfoil`osy`s comment is a bit simplistic, tho not entirely wrong either, its just one of those subjects with many variables, most of which aren`t measured, and/or can`t be measured. As l`ve said elsewhere, l too make use of the`troll` community in a very different way to which `they` intend.

    EG-1 Our very own paid-to-troll dumpty has dropped so many `junk-science`-links, which l have used to build a pretty fine `denial` email filter.

    EG-2 Limited-News pay google to put them at the top of search results, even bolt, but when l`ve clicked thru to bolt, it is never to `buy`, but just to glean some of the details like `flannery` or `report-name` or `victim-of-attack` etc, which l then use to build a better search query(as we both know bolt will be pointing in the wrong direction to a solution)

    lt is very generous of corporations to provide these `trolls` of bad information and low intelligence that rapidly provide the public with an `anti-promotion` of their cause. Ruperts generosity should also not be over-looked in not only providing australians with boosted-to-top google results, but also his dedication to bonfiring about $25-mill a year(now his own money, not stock-holders) on the journalistic titanic `teh-oz`, on which deck-chairs can only be shuffled as it scrapes along the digital-media ice-berg and pops all its rivets.

  108. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:02 am

    My italics appear to have got the better of me last night. C’est la vie

    as for egg and his continuing lying.

    And for good scientific reasons.

    Name them

    And I can find scientists who claim the IPCC is talking through its hat.

    A couple of words missing there, quite deliberately. Like “reputable” and “show”, as in “show the IPCC”

    I’ll prove that it was caused by natural variability.

    Go on, start with what is happening in America right now with the snowfalls. Show us yer “proof”.

    And I’m guessing that, anticipating the response (should it even come and be related (see below)), we won’t be hearing from you for a short period of “sin-binned” time. And,considering the “link” you put up (read, irrelevant picture graph from a site TB had already warned you about not using, for the reasons I am about to mention) which you seemed to claim showed a bigger anomaly in 1879 but in fact was a link to a renowned denialist site that was whinging about homogenisation, it is probably already well past that time.

    http://jennifermarohasy.com/2014/09/absolutely-politically-incorrect-maximum-temperatures-at-bourke-and-bathurst/

    Go and read the scientists reply to similar rubbish in the oz, and perhaps educate yourself if that is at all possible. Take specific note of this passage.

    Far from being a fudge to make warming look more severe than it is, most of the Bureau’s data manipulation has in fact had the effect of reducing the apparent extreme temperature trends across Australia. Cherrypicking weather stations where data have been corrected in a warming direction doesn’t mean the overall picture is wrong.

    http://theconversation.com/no-the-bureau-of-meteorology-is-not-fiddling-its-weather-data-31009

    The remarkable thing in all this is that the marohasy article is printed weeks after the Conversation article dispelling the rubbish the oz was peddling. but marohasy was quite happy to ignore that entirely and blithely plow on as if she was onto some vast conspiracy. It is for this very reason that you get sin binned. You, like her, fabricate, misrepresent and outright lie (as above) and then, when caught out, ignore replies.

    yor pathetic

  109. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:08 am

    ‘Anyway … enough … I’d hate to get you banned again … ‘

    In all the years I’ve known you, this is the sweetest thing you have ever said.

  110. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:15 am

    ‘…when caught out, ignore replies.

    ‘yor pathetic’

    Yeah, if you say so.

  111. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:31 am

    Yeah, if you say so.

    it says, ignoring yet again.

  112. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:45 am

    Well TR, you are free to speak and I am not, so I’ll return to Tony’s art classes.

  113. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:53 am

    Yea, run you pathetic little troll

  114. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:56 am

    We must be sleepwalking over a cliff or sumfin’

    or sumfin’ TB 😉

  115. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:14 am

    “In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
    ― George Orwell

  116. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:16 am

    You telling the truth is an impossible act grodowormtongue

    What’s your excuse for the irrelevant graph you dished up to TB?

  117. November 23, 2014 9:30 am

    Egg has his own version of the truth, like Nil she is delusional derailing troll

  118. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:37 am

    ‘What’s your excuse for the irrelevant graph you dished up to TB?’

    What don’t you put up a couple of graphs and we’ll discuss them?

  119. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:38 am

    I put up a whole post before which you have ignored, as you are currently ignoring your explanation for the graph you presented TB, against prior warnings for doing so.

  120. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:43 am

    This is hilarious, given the posts above from the yousual suspects trying to blame Obama for yabots failures

    Naturally the reptiles at the Oz scurried to the scene to attempt to repair the damage, and to point the finger at the Kenyan socialist who’d started all the fuss:

    http://loonpond.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/please-keep-digging.html#.VG-zqIuUeAo


    But you’re just being a spoilsport Ms Taylor, ruining everyone’s fun. If we’ve got the windmills, of course we must have loons that will tilt at them … that’s the natural order.

    ROFL

  121. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 10:06 am

    What’s your excuse for the irrelevant graph you dished up to TB?

    there never is one, just ignore the challenges and go on to the next fabrication, it is done deliberately and knowingly, not ignorance, pure propaganda.

    What don’t you put up a couple of graphs and we’ll discuss them?

    No, why don’t you explain yours and your deceit, as asked? You are the one denying the accepted science.

  122. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 10:09 am

    not ignorance, pure propaganda.

    touche ao 😉

  123. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 10:18 am

    ‘your explanation for the graph you presented TB’

    BoM looks no further back than 1900 and we were discussing the 1879 global warming blip. This is a story yet to be told.

  124. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 10:20 am

  125. November 23, 2014 10:20 am

    Global Temperatures Are the Hottest on Record for a Fifth Month This Year…

    http://time.com/3598872/global-temperatures-are-the-hottest-on-record-for-a-fifth-month-this-year/

  126. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 10:20 am

    BoM looks no further back than 1900 and we were discussing the 1879 global warming blip.

    But you claimed it was proof of an 1879 anomaly, now you claim we don’t have the evidence

    So, you lied, after TB specifically asked you not to.

  127. November 23, 2014 10:21 am

    “This is a story yet to be told.”

    Only in your own mind, cretin.

  128. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 10:23 am

    “This is a story yet to be told.”

    Yet further back up the thread, it gave the impression that this picture graph was all the proof needed to show an anomaly (which it didn’t, and which was lifted from a denailist site which in turn was proven wrong even before the post was written)

  129. November 23, 2014 10:40 am

    “against prior warnings for doing so

    Tom R is issuing warnings now. Interesting.

  130. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 10:59 am

    Tom R is issuing warnings now.

    fyi tosy, I wasn’t the issuer.

  131. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 11:02 am

    If the reef is declared endangered #coal ports may not go ahead. Hence flap over Obama talk.

    A valid point, if it were any Government but this grubmint.

  132. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 11:18 am

    “It is becoming pretty clear that 2014 will end up as the warmest year on record,” said Deke Arndt,”

    That’s roughly 114 years.

  133. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 11:25 am

    That’s roughly 114 years.

    Again you refuse to respond to the points put to you from your previous ignorant claims before making more ignorant ones

    are you really that stupid?

  134. November 23, 2014 11:36 am

    Yet another thread hijacked by egg and her pet topic…. *sigh*

  135. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 11:39 am

    My colleague Meta started the ball rolling, he’s obviously unaware of the sensitivity surrounding the issue.

  136. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 11:42 am

    My colleague Meta started the ball rolling

    bullshit troll. You did when you started posting irrelevant pictures and making ludicrous claims you refuse to back up or even engage in.

    Just because you are a lying sack of shit doesn’t mean that nobody else is able to discuss a matter. It means that you should refrain from TROLLING!

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 11:42 am

    My colleague Meta started the ball rolling, he’s obviously unaware of the sensitivity surrounding the issue.

    always blaming everyone else, take responsibility for your own actions.

  138. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 11:53 am

    Tom R is issuing warnings now.

    not as if you heed any warnings, even from the blog owner, you treat them all as a dare and when caught out again you play the martyr who has had their free speech limited.
    Free speech doesn’t apply to a vexatious litigant.

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 11:57 am

    my mistake, i thought the above quote was from egg and have just realised it is from tosy – my apologies.

    my reply is to hard boiled egg, not tosy

  140. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 11:59 am

    we should all be issuing warnings, can’t you see that reb has had enough of the deliberate hijacking of conversations here?

  141. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 12:06 pm

    reb has had enough of the deliberate hijacking of conversations here?

    Personally, I have no problem with hte topic. What I have an issue with is deliberate trolling of a topic without any real intent to discuss it in any meaningful manner.

    TB asked him to show his alleged ‘anomaly”, and without reference to a denier.

    Not only did grog fail to put anything resembling evidence for an anomaly up, the picture piece he put up was from an unrelated denialist post which hilariously enough was posted AFTER it had already be rebutted.

    One thing is clear, the denialati have lost all hope. They are now nothing more than a cabal of mules following each other down into a pit of coalescing ignorance and willful blindness.

    It wouldn’t be a real problem, except for the fact in Australia we call this cabal out Federal Government. 😦

  142. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 12:24 pm

    btw tosy I’m up for it

    still 🙂

  143. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 12:49 pm

    Meta started the ball rolling on November 22 at 3:35 pm.

    ‘What I have an issue with is deliberate trolling of a topic without any real intent to discuss it in any meaningful manner.’

    I’m feeling hamstrung, but if the editor put up a post we could sort it out once and for all.

  144. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 1:10 pm

    I’m feeling hamstrung, but if the editor put up a post we could sort it out once and for all.

    Hamstrung? That’s never stopped you before.

    …Put up a post? You had a whole fkn permanent post/topic and you still managed to abuse the privilege. Why should reb put up a post to ‘sort it out’ it’s long been sorted.

  145. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 1:49 pm

    ‘And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth. “Who controls the past,” ran the Party slogan, “controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”

    George Orwell

  146. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 2:13 pm

    Meta started the ball rolling on November 22 at 3:35 pm.

    Bullshit you ignorant little fuckwit, Meta simply put up a topical link about a current event and something very stupid our denialist grubmint said.

    YOU started trolling at 4:44 pm with yer “anomaly” bullshit, which you couldn’t back up, and instead posted another irrelevant fucking picture from another already debunked and delusional fucking denialist thread

    Don’t try and pass off the blame for your incessant trolling to somebody else who simply wanted to post something loosely related to your ignorant fixation.

    Here’s a thought, try and address the points people raise with you, instead of galloping off on another fishng expedition, and people might not call you a troll.

    And don’t try and blame others for your inability to pass a cognitive spark within that fucking empty grey matter in yor otherwise empty shell of a head.

  147. egg permalink
    November 23, 2014 2:32 pm

    Just went back and had a closer look and remember thinking at the time that Meta might be taking the piss. So I kept it light and then TB jumped in and I answered his questions with graphs, which as you can appreciate is better than a lot of words.

  148. November 23, 2014 2:33 pm

    Anyways. I’m actually at the Botanic gardens where it is a lovely sunny day. We packed a picnic and a flask of tea. There’s quite a large extended Arab family wearing a variety of headscarves. One woman is wearing the full head to toe black burqa which in 28 degree heat doesn’t really seem all that practical nor comfortable… I get the idea that it’s meant show religious commitment or some such nonsense, but in this weather she just looks like a walking solar panel.

  149. November 23, 2014 2:35 pm

    No one is interested egg. How about just fucking off somewhere else for a while.

  150. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 2:52 pm

    I answered his questions with graphs

    That’s the point you miserable little tool, your pictograph didn’t say or do anything, except prove you are a pointless troll.

    You can take rebs advice, and fuck off for a while (or for good imo), or try and show why the pictograph is relevant in any way shape or form, especially since I have now provided it with “context”

  151. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 2:54 pm

    she just looks like a walking solar panel.

    Although, I have heard (although not directly related to that specific garb) that, although they may not look it, Arab clothes are in fact ideally suited for hot, dry climates.

  152. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 3:12 pm

    I’m actually at the Botanic gardens where it is a lovely sunny day. We packed a picnic and a flask of tea.

    tea? OK, if that’s what yo want to call it.

    Sounds ideal, I’m jealous. I’m stuck home, again, trying to clean up after tradesmen and attempt to catch up on gardening (pulling weeds out, which is all ‘gardening’ seems to be)

  153. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 3:25 pm

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/coal-seam-gas-report-on-santos-site-kept-secret-by-environment-protection-agency-20141122-11r4cc.html

  154. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2014 4:34 pm

    a picnic and a flask of tea

    A flask of fkn TEA?

    28 degree heat

    HEAT? 28 degrees? … are you unwell?

    Burqas don’t exactly generate and electricity, sreb … hot, dry climates. This is Melbourne, TR … 28 degrees? DRY?

    As for fkn tradies … anytime I’v had any in here (tilers, lekkies, plumbers) I end up finishing off the bloody job …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Well colour me surprised “LNP took donations from coal seam gas companies, Senate inquiry told

    Nah! Rupert’s Raiders said the Senate Inquiry was just a laughable farce … chuckle … I wonder if Clivey might be having some second thoughts now?

  155. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2014 4:48 pm

    Hutton said the former Labor government had failed to examine underground water impacts of Santos and Queensland Gas Company CSG projects in 2010 – a mistake repeated by the Newman government on a more recent Arrow Energy project.

    The real concern with fracking …

    That Guardian story reveals that we are being raped by politicians (of all colours) in conjunction with The Robber Barons …

    Each state needs the equivalent of the NSW, ICAC … we were close until Noddy Newman & the Nitwits pulled the teeth of the CMC (born of the Fitzgerald Enquiry into Joh B Peterson’s corrupt regime) and revamped it as the CCC … a ghost of the former CMC … and certainly NOT independent …

  156. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 4:48 pm

    tilers, lekkies, plumbers

    Tell me about it

    fixing a tilers fuck up at the moment. I was gonna do the plumbing, but, he actually did a good job, the electrics I just do meself (red goes to … whatever fucken color the ‘lectrician’ decided to plug into, fucken morons!!)

    But tilers!! BAH. They’re a fucken swear word at the moment. Ours didn’t unnerstand the concept of gravity. water goes downhill fuckhead!!

    And that’s after we made him pull the floor up once already to get rid of the obvious shit (we worked out then we’d fucked up getting him), now, it’s just me tryin to fix his shit 😦

    Oh well, ya get what ya pay for; going for the cheapest isn’t always the best. But, as I told me better half, I’d be more pissed off if we got the expensive one and he had gravity issues too 🙂

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2014 4:56 pm

    Chuckle @ TR, … I must admit we found a good tiler … we recently ripped up the carpet in the lounge and dining room and laid porcelain (very shiny but not slippery when wet!!) … the guy was born in Italy and (having laid tiles) I was a mazed at how he could virtually drop 600 mm tiles into place with a 2mm gap …

    As for plumbers they really are a joke … the odd thing is that I wouldn’t have a clue about cars these days … (I did leave the industry/trade in ’79!) Luckily my son followed in my footsteps … and is the Ops Manager for a very well know organisation …

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2014 4:58 pm

    No one is interested egg. How about just fucking off somewhere else for a while.

    Whoooo … another sin binning? I do hope I wasn’t the ’cause … chuckle … “nicest thing you’ve said … ” egg, just didn’t get the subtlety of the comment at the time … sreb, did … 😉

  159. November 23, 2014 5:33 pm

    No one is interested egg. How about just fucking off somewhere else for a while.

    Yep nobody is interested in Egg…. Egg is just a cunt ..no self discipline. She is a disrespectful attention whore

    I am interested in Lambies makeover

  160. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2014 6:44 pm

    RP …

    I may be wrong … (yep, I have been on occasion) but I reckon Lambie may turn out to be a very good Senator before her six year tenure is up … she strikes me as a quick learner … AND she has principles (so far) …

    Hanson has no chance of ever making it (she is only out for the money) … but Lambie is showing some (slow step) possibilities …

    And I might say, as did, Senator Xylophone, and I suspect she just might take more notice of intelligence (Mr X) than money (Mr P) …

    Amusing that the Liberal Party is encouraging Ms Lambie to stick with PUP – because they only have to deal with a Dickwit Diktator® … rather than a mini coalition of indies …

    Go Clivey! PLEASE!

  161. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2014 6:46 pm

    And BTW … watch Clivey, implode as his “plan” to control his business interests via PUP crumble … all his BS about the Australian people was BS!

    The Brick really IS a brick BTW … he’ll be next …

  162. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 7:11 pm

    yep, I have been on occasion

    You gotta link for that!

  163. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 7:33 pm

    Quentin Dempster’s ABC rally speech
    http://www.alliance.org.au/quentin-dempster-s-abc-rally-speech

    …The noted casuist Malcolm Turnbull has said the incoming prime minister’s pre-election statement that there would be no cuts to ABC or SBS has to be taken in the context of his and Joe Hockey’s prior warning about efficiency at the broadcasters. Tony Abbott said unequivocally and unconditionally: “no cuts to the ABC or SBS”.

    A casuist is a person, especially a theologian, who attempts to resolve moral dilemmas by careful distinction but ultimately false reasoning.

    In the Australian vernacular that means: Bullshit. Malcolm Turnbull is a bullshit artist.
    I remember him once promising never to tell a lie to the Australian people.

    Let me recalibrate this .. Malcolm Turnbull is a bullshit artist … who has now compounded Tony Abbott’s lie…

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-23/scrap-all-regulations-on-small-businesses-rinehart-urges/5912100

  164. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 7:35 pm

    HEAT? 28 degrees? … are you unwell?

    mad dogs and englishscotsmen 🙂

  165. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 7:40 pm

    words simply fail

  166. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 7:51 pm

    Malcolm Turnbull is a bullshit artist.

    So, we have talcum who just bullshitted, this hot on hte heels of bishop, who has just bullshitted while launching an attack on our biggest ally, and yabot, who is perpetual bullshit artist

    Then there’s pyne, hunt, morrison ……..

    what a fucken line up of morally bankrupt slimey snake oil salemen (and women, I didn’t forget pyne 😉 )

  167. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:21 pm

    Where do Rupert’s “journos” (with reservations) come from …

    CLIVE Palmer’s “berserk’’ recruit Jacqui Lambie has warned her political critics that even a machine gun won’t stop her confirming she will sit as an independent.

    Berserk? I know whose fkn berserk … hey, Rupert … 😉

  168. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:24 pm

    You gotta link for that!

    Get fucked! Find it yourself, dick! 🙂 😆

  169. TB Queensland permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:28 pm

    mad dogs and english scotsmen …

    LOL! Deserving of a C&W cellophane wrapped CD!

    Classic GOLD!

  170. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 8:46 pm

  171. Tom R permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:03 pm

    Find it yourself, dick!

    wot, you think I’m one of the

    C.oalition
    O.f
    C.ommon
    S.ense

    😉

  172. November 23, 2014 9:05 pm

    “mad dogs and english scotsmen …”

    Aye that’s all very funny. Have a laff at my expense…

    see if I care….

    Consider yourselves all banned!!

  173. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:08 pm

  174. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 23, 2014 9:20 pm

    see if I care….

    🙂

    Were you at the ABC rally?

  175. November 24, 2014 12:42 am

    ”””””””Just because you are a lying sack of shit doesn’t mean that nobody else is able to discuss a matter.””#correct

    .

    ”””””””I’m feeling hamstrung, but if the editor put up a post””’#horse-shit

    You always have lame-arsed excuses, (not only here or the coffee-shops) that even have you bounced from clodlingNovas and wattsupwithclaptrap. Not only do the disinterested not give a fcuk about your stupidity, neither do the propagandists!

  176. November 24, 2014 12:58 am

  177. November 24, 2014 1:08 am

    ”””’Thanks to Christopher Pyne, a panicked constituent politician””(#teabag-panic)

    ”””and disloyal Cabinet minister from South Australia, for highlighting what we have long known. Through successive budget cuts and a management resourcing priority to win the digital race, the ABC IS Sydney-centric. The loss of the ABC’s Adelaide TV production house, the last remaining regional TV producer outside Sydney and Melbourne –
    http://www.alliance.org.au/quentin-dempster-s-abc-rally-speech
    ””””””””””””’

    ””with the loss of more than 100 jobs – is a cultural and local tragedy.””

    #Now that the job-losses are working their way UP the food-chain, we can expect more #journopanic in the next few years, (remember destruction is quicker that construction) and the journopanic will spread beyond the dear old fuddie duddies like dear old Quentin. Watch, as Limited-News hacks panic in their next round of sackings, as it dawns on them, the anti-abc team-cheering they provided, resulted in my sbs increasing its advertising and reducing new-hires at my abc. #donkeysAllRound

  178. November 24, 2014 1:13 am

    by the look of rickys photoshop fingerpainting,
    ricky must be on team-dumpty

  179. November 24, 2014 2:05 am

    ””””””””The ABC must not close its production house in Adelaide. We, the undersigned, are concerned that ABC in South Australia is the last TV production unit outside of Sydney and Melbourne. The Board must reassure South Australians that the local TV production house of the ABC will remain in South Australia.
    https://www.change.org/p/chairman-james-spigelman-ac-qc-and-the-board-of-the-australian-broadcasting-corporation-abc-the-abc-must-not-close-its-production-house-in-adelaide
    ””””””””””(#started by mr-poodle)

    #Looks like mr-poodle has failed his electorate/state regarding my abc sa-tv-local-reportland-etc.

    Now it is probably too late, he would have better spent his time on qandaland raising this issue, its a popular national platform don`tcha-know, instead of mincing on behalf of mr-rabbits truck-load of nonsense. What a fcukwit you are mr-poodle, any basic knowledge of demographics would tell you that sa local would go down the crapper well ahead of syd-melb-bris.

    Population size=efficiency
    (very important when it comes to the `cost-benefit-analysis` teabags love to screech about) #mr-poodle #super-fcukwit

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 9:56 am

    Consider yourselves all banned!!

    Can we name the banned ourselves? Will you supply the drums? Who can play bass? And we want a decent sound system this time …

  181. November 24, 2014 10:00 am

    “Can we name the banned ourselves?”

    Banned on the Run?

    Little River Banned??

  182. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 10:04 am

    DISGRACED former Queensland MP Scott Driscoll is due in court to answer 16 fraud-related offences levelled against him.

    THE 39-year-old will make his second appearance in Brisbane Magistrates on Monday after the Crime and Corruption Commission last month charged him with a range of offences, including soliciting secret commissions, fraud and falsification of records in early October.

    Driscoll is accused of committing $725,000 worth of fraud offences and soliciting at least $400,000 in secret commissions between August 2011 and May 2013.

    The former Liberal National Party (LNP) MP resigned from Queensland parliament in November 2013 after being found guilty by the ethics committee of misleading the House about his financial interests.

    The committee also found he had not been honest about his role in the Queensland Retail Traders and Shopkeepers Association.

    At his first court appearance last month, Driscoll made no indication of his plea and did not answer questions from reporters.

    His wife, Emma Driscoll, has also been charged with related perjury and dishonesty offences.

    What a nice pair, I really hope this prick serves time …

    FYI, Yvette D’Ath, took his seat in a by-election … she’s a shiny arse, Labor pollie – doesn’t actually “do” anything but always turns up at “events” … lost her Fed seat last election …

  183. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 10:06 am

    Banned on the Run?

    Little River Banned??

    Now YOU’RE just being a smart arse!

    I thought something like:

    Banned of Hope and Glory

    or

    The Wedding Banned

    Something with meaning and thought …

  184. November 24, 2014 10:20 am

    “The committee also found he had not been honest about his role in the Queensland Retail Traders and Shopkeepers Association.”

    A UNION!!!!

    Wait til YoM cops a wiff of this…!

  185. November 24, 2014 10:39 am

    Comedy Club with Christopher Pyne…

  186. November 24, 2014 11:01 am

    by the look of rickys photoshop fingerpainting,
    ricky must be on team-dumpty

    Rather fingerpaint in photoshop that fingerpaint with my own shit like you teabag….
    Feel Privileged only prize fuckwits get their own poster

  187. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 11:15 am

    Love how chrissie whyne brags about his 2,500 “signatures” reb

    Is he aware that in reality this means that 2,500 people are actually mocking him.

    Or is it a diabolically brilliant way to actually pretend you have 2,500 people supporting you?

  188. November 24, 2014 11:22 am

  189. November 24, 2014 11:26 am

    “”The ABC will close down it’s Adelaide production studio”””

    Suck on that Pyne!

  190. November 24, 2014 11:30 am

    Is he aware that in reality this means that 2,500 people are actually mocking him.

    What like this …

  191. November 24, 2014 11:35 am

  192. November 24, 2014 11:35 am

  193. November 24, 2014 11:39 am

    It’s hard to find one signature on that petition that isn’t mocking Pyne…

  194. November 24, 2014 11:43 am

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 12:05 pm

    So just how many voters have been switched off by this stupidly, arrogant and ideological government … we must now be back to 1946 … and I thought we would only get to 1950!

  196. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 12:06 pm

    Fuck you’re weird

    ROFL

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2014 12:07 pm

    Steve McQueen makes a good point, he even says “you’re a turd”. It’s great to see people taking care with their grammar.

    Though I thought he was dead.

  198. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 12:12 pm

    Though I thought he was dead.

    He is … that’s why I thought we’d ask him to be the bass player in our new banned …

  199. November 24, 2014 12:12 pm

    “”It’s great to see people taking care with their grammar.””

    Isn’t it just. Obviously not PUP supporters…

    Although I’m still deliberating over whether “fucktard” is one word or two. Perhaps it should be hyphenated…

  200. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 12:16 pm

    “The committee also found he had not been honest about his role in the Queensland Retail Traders and Shopkeepers Association.”

    A UNION!!!!

    Wait til YoM cops a wiff of this…!

    No, no, no, sreb … it’ll all be ignored … this is a union an association of traders and shopkeepers (good guys) … as opposed to the workers in such establishments … and of course it’s another LNP pollie playing at Robber Barons again …

    Nah! ToM, will leave this alone …

  201. egg permalink
    November 24, 2014 12:17 pm

    Keating said the government was mad not to sign with the China regional infrastructure bank and Andrew Robb agrees with him, as does Hockey, but Bishop stopped it because of pressure from the Obama administration.

    Fuck the yanks, we’re moving on.

  202. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2014 12:54 pm

  203. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 24, 2014 12:56 pm

    “So just how many voters have been switched off by this stupidly, arrogant and ideological government

    I have to repeat myself. Most of the problems were created by Rudd/Gillard and the people who voted for them.

    Most Labor supporters only care about themselves and what the govt can do for them. A trashed budget does not worry an ALP supporter.

  204. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:01 pm

  205. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:07 pm

  206. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:09 pm

    I have to repeat myself.

    ROFL

    Just because you do, doesn’t mean you have to

    #justsayin’ 😉

  207. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:12 pm

    ao, even fairfax is in on it, mind you, considering the authors ‘pedigree’ …..

    They didn’t have a 9-5 mentality. They had a 10-3 mentality. They planned their work day around their afternoon yoga class. They wore thongs and shorts to work, occasionally had a snooze on the couch after lunch and popped out to Paddy’s Market to buy fresh produce for dinner before going home.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-abc-has-flab-to-be-cut-20141122-11rtki.html#ixzz3JvlvIjm0

    It could explain though yomm has been so quiet here lately, it has similarities with his ramblings

  208. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:34 pm

    Abbott was nuts to give a commitment about the ABC. The ABC is not a vote changer but political honesty is.

    I think that’s right about the 10 to 3 mentality.

    I knew someone who worked for the ABC, bright but lazy. The had an outstanding career there.

  209. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:38 pm

    “Abbott was nuts to give a commitment about the ABC. “

    Yep. Apparently Abbotts comment was made on a Friday night on a program nobody watches and had no effect on the election result.

    It did not change a single vote before the election but his comment is making a big difference after the election.

  210. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:39 pm

    Ok. Apologies for the lack of volume of comments, but I’m going on holidays and need to make some money. As well as finishing some stuff that will be invaluable to success for some rich people.

  211. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:42 pm

    It wasn’t a complaint yomm, trust me 😉

  212. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:46 pm

    4nil

  213. egg permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:54 pm

    I also know a few people who worked for aunty, artists who became redundant.

    Wonder who has their eye on the SA production house?

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:54 pm

    Apparently Abbotts comment was made on a Friday night on a program nobody watches and had no effect on the election result.

    And that show was? And the total number of viewers was? And the number who voted ALP was? And the number who voted LNP was? The number of people surveyed who watched the program that said it did not influence their vote?

    Duh! Apparently … you must live next door to egg and compare recipes notes …

  215. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 1:56 pm

    Noice apology, ToM … well done … you deserve a holiday … 🙂

  216. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 2:03 pm

    Apparently Gillard said on the night of the 2010 election that ‘there will be no Carbon Tax under any Government I lead,

    .
    .
    .
    .
    we want a Carbon Price”

    😉

  217. egg permalink
    November 24, 2014 2:25 pm

    “… the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.”

    Adolf Hitler

  218. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 2:26 pm

    lol

  219. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 2:28 pm

  220. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 2:37 pm

    from #teamAustraliar

  221. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 2:52 pm

    Adelaide has been singled out for some extreme attention from yabot. Is he really that petty and vindictive?
    (Don’t answer, I’m being rhetorical) 😉

  222. November 24, 2014 2:58 pm

    Before I start…

    Defending the indefensible with that limp dick excuse..?

    Fuck you Squeal you magnanimous pustular piece of dick cheese under the festering flange of society ballsack… go blow a dead donkey.

    4 of my mates lost their jobs today… All hard working and very dedicated..

    My mates program which is unique in the world and running for 13 years was axed. He still has a job but its shaky ground

    I applied for a job there beginning of last year and was short listed and interviewd
    It was axed today… no consolation

    This bloke scribes sense 🙂

    http://mewscorpse.com/2014/11/24/today-ideology-has-won-over-the-nations-interest/

    Anyways fuck it… i’m off to the studio for a week to record in the country with my babies…

  223. November 24, 2014 4:19 pm

    ‘Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly that renewables will never permit the human race to cut CO2 emissions to the levels demanded by climate activists. Whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.

    ‘Both men are Stanford PhDs, Ross Koningstein having trained in aerospace engineering and David Fork in applied physics. These aren’t guys who fiddle about with websites or data analytics or “technology” of that sort: they are real engineers who understand difficult maths and physics, and top-bracket even among that distinguished company. The duo were employed at Google on the RE<C project, which sought to enhance renewable technology to the point where it could produce energy more cheaply than coal. RE<C was a failure, and Google closed it down after four years.'

  224. egg permalink
    November 24, 2014 4:36 pm

    Yes, well, what can I say.

  225. November 24, 2014 4:42 pm

    “Yes, well, what can I say.”

    Nothing, apparently.

  226. November 24, 2014 4:45 pm

    ” Whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.””

    Meanwhile…

  227. egg permalink
    November 24, 2014 4:49 pm

    India is thinking seriously about reinvesting in cold fusion research, as a means to solving the country’s energy needs.

  228. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2014 5:11 pm

    A UNION!!!!
    Wait til YoM cops a wiff of this…!

    Unions are nice, they’re full of well intentioned, benevolent, self-sacrificing, altruistic noble men and women. They only want what is good for their members.
    Bless them.

  229. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 5:18 pm

    “… the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.”

    Adolf Hitler

    Funny you should quote that, egg … have you seen me write that liars, cheats and thieves often accuse others to hide their own actions …

    **********************************************************************

    And a special reply for ToSY …

    http://www.rinkworks.com/said/predictions.shtml

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/famous-predictions-that-were-spectacularly-wrong/story-fn6vihic-1226889769437

    I have to laugh because one of the little sayings we tell our kids/grandkids all their lives is …

    “There is always a way”

    You’d be amazed at what and how people overcome problems with that little bit of positive thinking reinforced …

    In some of my training sessions managers have asked to leave a practical exercise when they’ve suddenly brainstormed a solution …

    Of course we can power the world with renewables … solar, wind, tides, thorium, hydro and we have only just started working with gravity and friction and wet waste/sewerage … what we are missing is a really good way of storing potential energy … and that WILL be found … maybe one of my grandkids!

  230. egg permalink
    November 24, 2014 5:25 pm

    ‘have you seen me write that liars, cheats and thieves often accuse others to hide their own actions … ‘

    No, can’t say that I noticed.

  231. Walrus permalink
    November 24, 2014 5:31 pm

    “………..have you seen me write that liars, cheats and thieves often accuse others to hide their own actions … “”

    You mean like Robber Barons …………………..ay Mr Pirate ?

  232. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 5:56 pm

    You mean like Robber Barons … ay Mr Pirate

    Exactly …

    Here’s the deal yer Wally … find me a retail Blu Ray version of Game of Thrones Season 4 within five days (COB this Sunday) and I’ll pay you the price you find …

    If you can’t … then you stop accusing me of being a pirate …

    Remember Australia’s Region Code is B (A is available but we don’t live in the USofA)

    (NOte: Regions are another method that Robber Barons control the markets

    No pre-orders … I need to actually buy one immediately after you find it …

    Then we’ll look at you actually doing something productive …. or creative … where’s your poem BTW?

  233. November 24, 2014 5:59 pm

    “”Then we’ll look at you actually doing something productive …””

    Speaking of which, how’s egg’s blog coming along……??

  234. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 6:04 pm

    Two highly qualified Google engineers who have spent years studying and trying to improve renewable energy technology have stated quite bluntly that renewables will never permit the human race to cut CO2 emissions to the levels demanded by climate activists. Whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.

    Wow, what a load of twaddle, because that is NOT what the two men said.

    Trying to combat climate change exclusively with today’s renewable energy technologies simply won’t work; we need a fundamentally different approach.

    But, that isn’t the end of the misrepresentation in that article. They’ve done a bolt when dolt got all excited when Flanery admitted the absolute truth that stopping CO2 being pumped into the atmosphere won’t stop global warming, because we have already pumped way too much into the atmosphere. The most we can do is mitigate it

    His climate models showed that exceeding 350 parts per million CO2 in the atmosphere would likely have catastrophic effects. We’ve already blown past that limit. Right now, environmental monitoring shows concentrations around 400 ppm. That’s particularly problematic because CO2 remains in the atmosphere for more than a century; even if we shut down every fossil-fueled power plant today, existing CO2 will continue to warm the planet.

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/renewables/what-it-would-really-take-to-reverse-climate-change

    What the fuck is it with denialists sites like theregister that they can’t ever portray this subject without lying about it?

  235. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 6:09 pm

    Right now, environmental monitoring shows concentrations around 400 ppm. That’s particularly problematic because CO2 remains in the atmosphere for more than a century; even if we shut down every fossil-fueled power plant today, existing CO2 will continue to warm the planet.

    So we may as well simply use nuclear reactors (positioned correctly!!) the half life doesn’t seem to be much different** … 🙂

    **sarc

  236. November 24, 2014 6:12 pm

    “What the fuck is it with denialists sites like theregister that they can’t ever portray this subject without lying about it?”

    It’s no coincidence that the delusional denialists are often from the same camp as the religious “dog will provide” nut jobs…

    It just goes with the turf..

  237. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 7:00 pm

    It just goes with the turf..

    Obviously linked to logical process or belief in fairy-tales …

    Wally, must be desperate for a quid … he must be searching the interwebby as I type … 🙂

  238. egg permalink
    November 24, 2014 7:12 pm

    ‘delusional denialists are often from the same camp as the religious “dog will provide” nut jobs…’

    That’s a pretty broad brush. There has been much said about the Denialati in recent times, but nothing on them being dog botherers.

  239. November 24, 2014 7:18 pm

    By the way, I watched two shows last night, both of which made me think of TB (I know, right?).

    One was this one. We have all seen TB rant against this “Giant In The Century”, probably just because he was a torie.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/video/355782723704/churchill-a-giant-in-the-century-ep1

    The other was this one …

    http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/cilla/ZW0161A002S00

    It suddenly dawned on me where TB got his anti-Catholic bigotry.

  240. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 7:29 pm

    Chuckle … so far off the mark on both counts …

    I have no idea what Cilla Black has to do with my distaste for any organised religion …

    And my dislike of Churchill is not based upon his “born to rule” mentality and to be a great warlord like on be of his ancestors … but his military incompetence … in so many ways … that cost Australian, New Zealand and Canadian lives in particular and 100’s of thousands of British troops … the man was a charlatan … based on his birth-right …

  241. egg permalink
    November 24, 2014 7:30 pm

    ‘What the fuck is it with denialists sites like theregister that they can’t ever portray this subject without lying about it?’

    That’s why I read more widely.

    “There’s nothing we can do to stop it. Scientifically it is sheer absurdity to think we can get a nice climate by turning a CO2 adjustment knob. Many confuse environmental protection with climate protection. it’s impossible to protect the climate, but we can protect the environment and our drinking water. On the debate concerning alternative energies, which is sensible, it is often driven by the irrational climate debate. One has nothing to do with the other.”

    – See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2012/05/09/the-belief-that-co2-can-regulate-climate-is-sheer-absurdity-says-prominent-german-meteorologist/#sthash.6Mh8gb1X.dpuf

  242. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 24, 2014 7:38 pm

    “but his military incompetence

    And of course you would have done a better job in the same situation?

  243. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 7:46 pm

    probably just because he was a torie.

    You mean like the way some people dismiss Lenore Taylor just because, to them, she is a lefty, but appear unable to debate the substantive points she makes?

    That’s why I read more widely.

    You are a total fuckstick who doesn’t know how fucking stupid you look to anyone with basic comprehension abilities. Go fuck off you little troll

  244. November 24, 2014 7:48 pm

    “In 1940, Adolf Hitler’s troops were on the way to conquering the whole of Europe. The Wehrmacht invaded first Austria and Czechoslovakia. Then Poland, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands. Now, they were marching on France.

    “Hitler seemed invincible. Only Churchill dared confront him. Only Churchill would stand up to him. As the recently appointed Prime Minister of Great Britain, he had one plan. War, and victory. At any price.”

  245. November 24, 2014 7:50 pm

    Gee, Tom R seems a bit tetchy tonight. 😯

  246. November 24, 2014 7:56 pm

  247. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 7:57 pm

    Tom R seems a bit tetchy tonight.

    Perhaps it was the the salmon moose 🙂

  248. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 7:59 pm

    Although, I can understand your hesitancy to link to the article that totally misrepresented the Google engineers tosy, until perhaps you realised that …well, Google 😉

  249. November 24, 2014 8:08 pm

    “but appear unable to debate the substantive points she makes?”

    Yeah, it wasn’t you I was having that discussion with. Just because you jump in, doesn’t mean I’ll have the same interest in discussing it with you.

    I’ve been jousting with toiletboss for years now, and, regardless of our differences of opinion, it’s (almost) always a respectful conversation. Neither of us has seen the need to resort to personal abuse.

  250. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 8:13 pm

    Just because you jump in, doesn’t mean I’ll have the same interest in discussing it with you.

    maybe take up emailing 😉

    Did I personally abuse you? The only one I recall personally abusing is grodo because, let’s face it, someone who gets banned from a site like this surely deserves it.

    If grodo stopped blatantly trolling, I might stop abusing it.

  251. November 24, 2014 8:20 pm

    “Did I personally abuse you?”

    Not for some time, no. You must be mellowing. 😉

  252. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 8:29 pm

    You must be mellowing.

    Again., I blame the moose

    but, if you look back up the thread, you disregarded my comment with this

    Taylor’s opinions are as predictable as Tom R’s agreeing with them.

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/11/21/rostrum-utterly-disgusted-edition/#comment-84528

    toilet and yourself talked about it later, but does that mean I cannot reply to your throw away line? I pointed out the substantive arguments Lenore Taylor made. You just appear to be unwilling to confront them.

    But, you can keep your ‘debating’ between yourself and certain chosen participants, and just dismiss everything else as ‘lefties’

    Pretty convincing 😉

  253. TB Queensland permalink
    November 24, 2014 8:32 pm

    TR, I’ve been accused of similar … an open forum is just that, open … it usually gets to “I’m talking to so and so …not you …” when the argument is going against them … 😉

  254. November 24, 2014 8:32 pm

    “I pointed out the substantive arguments Lenore Taylor made.”

    Did you? I must have skipped over that one. (I don’t read every comment here.) Maybe you can get someone else to play with you. I’m not interested.

  255. November 24, 2014 8:33 pm

    Ooh. Look who’s jumped in now.

  256. November 24, 2014 8:42 pm

    Open thread or not. I’ll engage with whoever I feel like engaging with.

    (That won’t be teabagz, or Ricky, usually, because they don’t do civil discourse.)

  257. November 24, 2014 8:48 pm

    (For Certain; mr-rabbit confuses the El-Nino subject with the El-Gordo fraud.)

  258. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 8:51 pm

    Maybe you can get someone else to play with you. I’m not interested.

    I tried, she wasn’t 😦 😉

    I’ll engage with whoever I feel like engaging with.

    Wow, the yabot media appearance style is catching on ‘aint it 😆

  259. egg permalink
    November 24, 2014 8:52 pm

    I miss SB.

  260. November 24, 2014 8:57 pm

    ””I’ll engage with whoever I feel like engaging with.””
    #good for you Tinfoil`osy, lt`s best not upset the belief system huh.

    ””(That won’t be teabagz, or Ricky, usually, because they don’t do civil discourse.)””
    #unless you think you`ve found a `gotcha`, of course 🙂

  261. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2014 9:03 pm

    ”I’ll engage with whoever I feel like engaging with.””
#good for you Tinfoil`osy, lt`s best not upset the belief system huh.
    ””(That won’t be teabagz, or Ricky, usually, because they don’t do civil discourse.)””
#unless you think you`ve found a `gotcha`, of course 🙂

  262. November 24, 2014 9:07 pm

    ”””””Whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.”””””’#horse-shit

    #try a better site to get ya`info Tinfoil`osy,
    (do a little research on `grid-abandonment`)

  263. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 9:09 pm

    yomm takes a brief respite from his brief respite to be brief

  264. Tom R permalink
    November 24, 2014 9:12 pm

    I’m guessing tosy’s going to be picky about who he discusses Google Engineers being misrepresented by denier websites with as well 😦

  265. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2014 9:24 pm

    ”””””Whatever the future holds, it is not a renewables-powered civilisation: such a thing is impossible.”””””’#horse-shit
    #try a better site to get ya`info Tinfoil`osy,
(do a little research on `grid-abandonment`)

    That is to say …

  266. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2014 9:28 pm

    ”yomm takes a brief respite from his brief respite to be brief

    Maybe. The only value of some contributors is to gain satisfaction by being contemptuous to them. This one has earned plenty of contempt.

  267. November 24, 2014 9:41 pm

    ””””””””I’m guessing tosy’s going to be picky about who he discusses Google Engineers being misrepresented by denier websites with as well”””””””

    #don`t be too hard on Tinfoil`osy, l think he does try, in his own way while battling indoctrination, which is still much better than dumpty, kneel and yomm, that regurgitate the same small repetoire
    ________

    @reb, glad you posted the comments from mr-poodles `petition`, which nobody seems to be falling for,

    l also suspect first-moondog was sniffin around here last night, and picked-up on my comments about `cost-benefit-analysis` will nearly always result that bumpkin-teabags will usually be shafted in `cost-cutting` exercises,

    with the state election coming soon, that reminds me, don`t forget to vote bumpkins, Vote-National_!!! 🙂

  268. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2014 9:45 pm

    ””””””””I’m guessing tosy’s going to be picky about who he discusses Google Engineers being misrepresented by denier websites with as well”””””””
    #don`t be too hard on Tinfoil`osy, l think he does try, in his own way while battling indoctrination, which is still much better than dumpty, kneel and yomm, that regurgitate the same small repetoire
    ________
    @reb, glad you posted the comments from mr-poodles `petition`, which nobody seems to be falling for,
    l also suspect first-moondog was sniffin around here last night, and picked-up on my comments about `cost-benefit-analysis` will nearly always result that bumpkin-teabags will usually be shafted in `cost-cutting` exercises,
    with the state election coming soon, that reminds me, don`t forget to vote bumpkins, Vote-National_!!!

  269. November 24, 2014 10:03 pm

    Okay, l`ll admit it,

    you`re an arse-hole yomm

  270. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 24, 2014 10:26 pm

  271. egg permalink
    November 25, 2014 7:47 am

    ‘Australia has taken its engineers, its builders, its IT professionals and its healthcare workers. Now New Zealand wants them back.

    ‘In fact, so severe has the brain drain been in recent years, that the New Zealand government is recruiting Australians to fill job market shortages that, if left unattended, could hold back the country’s growth.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/new-zealand-wants-to-reverse-brain-drain-with-jobs-pitch-to-australian-professionals-20141125-11sv8c.html#ixzz3K1MajkQT

  272. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 7:54 am

    I see the oz has done what only a totally blinkered, partisan totally biased “news” organisation can do.

    Placed the blame for the loss of regional ABC centres squarely with ABC management.

    How unsurprisement 😯

    How fucken ridiculous.

    Of course those that don’t talk to anyone will claim it is their ‘alienable right” to bullshit so blatantly to their readers.

    How fucken ridiculous.

  273. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 7:59 am

    Hard to dispute, if you were to try

    Abbott lied about cuts to the ABC, SBS and everything else because he would have been unelectable had he campaigned on his true agenda. To pretend otherwise is as disingenuous as the prime minister himself. Save the ABC.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/24/abc-cuts-had-abbott-been-honest-about-his-true-agenda-he-would-have-been-unelectable

    Really, after making such a huge issue of it with the last Government who didn’t even lie to electorate, you would have to be supremely stupid, or supremely confident in the media’s ability to cover yor arse to even try on what the libs are doing now with their massive lies.

    I don’t think they banked on the Guardian or fairfax to break away from ltdnews lead so much.

  274. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:28 am

    God pyne is a fucking ridiculous twerp

  275. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 9:03 am

    And for conspiracy theorists, is scott and yabot working in cohesion here?

    When an ABC manager yesterday told staff that those made redundant in the current down-sizing might be able to produce content on a freelance one-off program commissioning basis in future, the cat was out of the bag.

    A commissioning model for content where nervous managers under pressure from vested corporate and political interests can pull the plug by de-commissioning the creator, is an attack on editorial independence.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/political-bastardry-and-nincompoops-consign-abc-to-churnalism-20141124-11svir.html

    Personally, it all seems too perfectly coincidental to me.

  276. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2014 9:37 am

    Well, I’m not at all bothered by cuts to the ABC, all the flapping around is purely self interest.

    The only concern is the stupid dishonesty by Abbott.

  277. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 9:37 am

    em, Open thread or not. I’ll engage with whoever I feel like engaging with.

    So does everyone else, ToSY, I think that’s the point … you do tend to state the bleedin’ obvious …

    ====================================

    How was the holiday, ToM?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Personally, it all seems too perfectly coincidental to me.

    My thoughts too, TR … and I am a firm believer in the principle that there ARE no coincidences in business …

    Nicely planned for just before Christmas too … as usual … and people want get rid of long service leave, over-time rates, public holidays, weekends, sick pay, super, redundancy and especially UNIONS! BOO! All the things that help to maintain a family in trouble when a breadwinner has to wait until February just to see if there ARE any jobs … let alone apply for them …

    And this business of “freelancing” makes me laugh (ironically) … I had more than a couple of colleagues (or their wives) say, “if he loses his job he’ll just become a consultant like you” …

    y’know … today I are unemployed … tomorrow I are a consultant … not as easy as some think – especially the senior managers who I wouldn’t give a job to …

  278. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 9:41 am

    The only concern is the stupid dishonesty by Abbott.

    That won’t end … as long as Rupert is pulling the strings …

    Noel Pearson thinks Rupert is alright and his news is not biased … I agree with one of the comments “Pearson must be reading a different version of The Australian to me”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And I am really getting teed off with Noddy Newman’s lot – advertising way at how good they are (and lying) using taxpayers money … the election is early next year … and its so bloody blatant … and as far as I am aware in breach of the election laws anyway …

  279. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 9:45 am

    Well, I’m not at all bothered by cuts to the ABC,

    Of course not. Ignorance is bliss to some

    there ARE no coincidences in business …

    nope. What was scott’s previous occupation again?…

  280. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2014 9:47 am

    How was the holiday, ToM?

    I’m off for 10 days of surf this afternoon! That’s a practice session for summer on the Victorian coast. All I have to do is get a report finalised by 11am!

  281. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 9:52 am

    All I have to do is get a report finalised by 11am!

    I can just see it now

    ctrl+C, ctrl+V

    DONE!

    Now to bag some lazy ABC bludgers!

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  282. Walrus permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:10 am

    “”ctrl+C, ctrl+V

    DONE! “”

    Which reminds me. Whatever happened to that fucking hypocondriac moronic scumbag and fucktard Miglo ?

  283. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:18 am

    wow, wally cums in from his taxpayer funded holidays with a typical hissy

    AIMN

    Get yerself over there 😉

  284. Walrus permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:24 am

    “”wally cums in from his taxpayer funded holidays””

    Nah………..too busy for that Tommy Boy.

    But by seher coincidence I’ll be down at the ABC Ultimo sub branch for a meeting today. Sitting in for a friend stuck in the UK.

    No doubt it will be truffles, foie gras and Grange on the menu for lunch

  285. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:25 am

    Looks like a win for whistle blowers

    Does this mean the msm will finally pick up this story though (I doubts it)

  286. Walrus permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:25 am

    “”Get yerself over there “”

    What ????????????

    Do they need some truth serum ?

  287. November 25, 2014 10:31 am

    “Whatever happened to that fucking hypocondriac moronic scumbag and fucktard Miglo ?”

    I don’t know.

    I’m still wondering whether “fucktard” is one word or two.

  288. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:32 am

    Do they need some truth serum ?

    From you ROFL

    Maybe they just need a rancid swearing boar to liven things up

    (not insinuating anything there obviously) 😉

  289. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:38 am

    Maybe they just need a rancid swearing boar to liven things up

    Or a bore to bore it up them?

  290. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:39 am

    I’m still wondering whether “fucktard” is one word or two.

    Doesn’t it depend on if it is being used as a verb or a noun?

  291. egg permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:40 am

    Even young Neil is banned at AIMN, its the pits.

  292. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:43 am

    I haven’t been anywhere near AIMN or the Café (now boarded up I believe) since Migs decided to “out” a couple of people …

    I did let him know I was not happy tho’, both here and privately … once personal standards drop like that they are irrecoverable IMO (demonstrates a type of person) … ie whose next? Me?

  293. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:44 am

    Even young Neil is banned at AIMN, its the pits.

    And we care how much? 🙄

  294. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:46 am

    And we care how much?

    Kinda serves you right for reading its drivle TB 😉

  295. November 25, 2014 10:53 am

    I miss Catching Up’s incisive political analysis and astute economic commentary…

  296. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:55 am

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-24/bartlett-take-your-convictions-to-a-double-dissolution/5913862

    …A Senate deadlock-breaking mechanism is readily available, and if Tony Abbott doesn’t use it, we’re entitled to believe his exhortations about a budget emergency are hollow, writes Andrew Bartlett…

    Our ABC. Not Yours, Rupert:
    http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/speeches-parliament/our-abc-not-yours-rupert

    …Efficiency appears to have a curious meaning to this government. Where is the efficiency in funding for absurd urban freeway projects that have no cost-benefit analysis, no business case and no environmental impact assessment? What is efficient about handing 920 million bucks to the Roe Highway for a project that will never go ahead? What is efficient, exactly, about purchasing $24 billion worth of fighter aircraft that cannot take off because they catch fire? There is not a lot of efficiency there. The ABC and SBS, on the other hand, will be subject to ‘efficiency’, in pursuit of the ends identified by the IPA…

  297. November 25, 2014 11:00 am

    A great read….

    “”Under Tony Abbott we are going nowhere, with the nowhere man””

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/under-tony-abbott-we-are-going-nowhere-with-the-nowhere-man-20141124-11sh8t.html

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2014 11:09 am

    “Whose next?”

    I think you mean “who’s”

    I’m off!!

  299. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 11:13 am

    Efficiency appears to have a curious meaning to this government.

    As Something Wonky pointed out in their latest podcast, the savings from the ABC could be made by getting rid of pushing preachers into schools at the publics expense.

    Priorities.

    And this grubmints priorities are very obviously indoctrination over education

    I’m off!!,

    fer real this time?

  300. November 25, 2014 11:22 am

    Even young Neil is banned at AIMN, its the pits.

    Well that show exceptional taste…an incipient inane insipid bore who even repeats himself by repeating himself “I know I keep repeating myself…”

    Nil is to discourse what drying paint is to entertainment

    Like Egg brings nothing to the table but a derailing whine

  301. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2014 11:49 am

  302. egg permalink
    November 25, 2014 12:08 pm

    ‘derailing whine’

    Funny bugger.

  303. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2014 12:27 pm

    Abbott: I was charged with indecent assault:
    http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/17/1089694611809.html

  304. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 25, 2014 12:27 pm

    Catching Up was insightful – who can forget – “T6ony Asbb0tt5 doesn[ t kn02w an7ything abou5t 3on0micas”

  305. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 12:36 pm

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/learner-drivers-should-take-motorcycle-lessons-cory-bernardi/story-fnjwucvh-1227133922794

    Two good reasons NOT to ride motorcycles …

    Cory Bernardi and another twit … Shaun Lennard …

    CB:

    He called for this “really important step” to teach drivers the perils of the road for bikers, usually from cars and trucks.

    “I think it’s really good that they understand what motorcyclists go through on the road” Senator Bernardi told news.com.au.

    SL:

    The chairman of the Motorcycle Council of Australia Shaun Lennard today told MPs there should be a national standard for rider training.

    “In Queensland, the previous government introduced a requirement that you have to have held a car licence for a year before you can get a motorcycle learner’s permit,” Mr Lennard told a breakfast function in Parliament House.

    “That’s not about motorcycle safety; it’s a measure to discourage motorcycling.”

    “And the Victorian government has introduced a requirement for high-viz vests for novice riders, when there is very little in the way of evidence to support this and some that actually recommends against it.”

    oh, and three reasons … I’ve recently been to SE Asia …

    Should we all learn to drive trucks and buses too – just to get their perspective?

    Unfknbelievable …

  306. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 12:40 pm

    I think you mean “who’s”

    I’m off!!

    Be careful, ToM … it’s a two way street … 😈

  307. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 12:44 pm

    Like Egg brings nothing to the table but a derailing whine

    Or “wine” ? y’know, table, drinks …

    I know … yer just worried that the Grammar Police are out and about just lately …

  308. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2014 1:48 pm

  309. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 25, 2014 1:52 pm

    Well Craig Thomson has admitted he lied and he gave the reason why.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/11/25/embarrassed-ex-mp-thomson-lied-barrister

    Former MP Craig Thomson lied about using a union credit card to pay for prostitutes because he was ashamed, his barrister says……………..Mr James said Thomson lied in a media interview in 2012 out of embarrassment, not because he believed he’d committed a crime.

  310. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2014 2:16 pm

  311. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2014 2:57 pm

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 3:17 pm

    So now … MediBank Private is about making money for 400,000 shareholders … not concentrating on assisting policy-holders when they are sick …

    The Robber Barons at work …

  313. November 25, 2014 3:57 pm

    Meanwhile in Ferguson USA, there is a massive showdown between police and protesters over the police shooting of teenager Michael Brown….

  314. November 25, 2014 4:02 pm

  315. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 4:02 pm

    Noddy Newman & The Nitwits burning taxpayers money …

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 4:05 pm

    Ferguson reminds me of Palm Island a few years ago …

  317. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 4:05 pm

    taxpayer’s …

  318. November 25, 2014 4:10 pm

    It’s actually taxpayers’

    #justsayin’

  319. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 25, 2014 4:11 pm

  320. November 25, 2014 4:36 pm

  321. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 5:12 pm

    Bugger YOU’RE right!

    Here’s a tale from bonnie Scotland on how to do business properly and get world wide marketing … and IT’S Tesco of all much maligned companies …

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/tesco-responds-to-students-customer-complaint-with-a-poem/story-fneuz8zj-1227134497310

  322. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 5:15 pm

    This is how PM Abbott behaved

    I guess, shit happens, Tones!

    =========================

    I just noticed …

    “reb of Melbourne”

    Shouldn’t that be “sreb of NFA” … 😆

  323. November 25, 2014 6:01 pm

    Surprisingly teh-drum on my abc is quite good today.(usually its crap) Heather ewart is trouncing a tea-bumpkin quite soundly. Heather pointed out to tea-bumpkin that he was very correct on the importance of my abc-rural which is getting hit by teh-cuts. But how silly it was of teh-Nat`s to have stayed quite and played ball with mr-rabbit in the first place. #tea-bumpkins #vote-national 🙂

  324. November 25, 2014 6:03 pm

    On my way home from work this evening I happened to walk past Craig Thomson on Bourke Street. His bloodless carcass is even more insipid and odious in real life than it is on TV.

  325. November 25, 2014 6:30 pm

    Don’t know how they got my number, but I just did my first ever Newspoll survey. It was about my voting intentions at the Victorian state election.

  326. November 25, 2014 6:40 pm

    ””””””Abbott lied about cuts to the ABC, SBS and everything else because he would have been unelectable had he campaigned on his true agenda. To pretend otherwise is as disingenuous as the prime minister himself. Save the ABC.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/24/abc-cuts-had-abbott-been-honest-about-his-true-agenda-he-would-have-been-unelectable
    ”””””””””””””””””
    #Van-Badham sounds like a team-cheerer. Mr-rabbits lot are highly predictable, surprises are for those tucked away snuggly in cocoons of ignorance, or tinfoil cubicles. As l`ve said previously, Mr-rabbit only stands for 3-things, 1-trough-snouting for the rich, 2-austerity for the masses, and 3-surplus fetish. Folks just need to figure-out where a particular topic slots-in. #teabags

  327. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 6:45 pm

    It was about my voting intentions at the Victorian state election.

    What could one say … so many thoughts flash in disarray!

  328. November 25, 2014 6:46 pm

    ”””Don’t know how they got my number”””
    Strange. l got your `number` ages ago Tinfoil`osy. 🙂

  329. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 6:47 pm

    Don’t know how they got my number

    Now you know why The Abbott has new terror laws …!

  330. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 6:49 pm

    YES! sreb, ToM, ToSY … I meant fkn TERROR laws! Not terrorist laws …

    FFS! It’s like working in a fkn Star Chamber!

    You’ll ruin my journalistic career … and I know … its happened to a past (passed – chuckle) “acquaintance” …

  331. November 25, 2014 7:00 pm

    The fact that I’m personally responsible for ruining Nasking’s journalistic career weighs heavy on my conscience..

    Not a day goes by….

    But you know what they say:

    Heavy hangs the head that wears the crown.

  332. November 25, 2014 7:17 pm

    “for ruining Nasking’s journalistic career”

    I dunno how youse sleep at night, honestly.

  333. November 25, 2014 7:20 pm

    From memory, he’s also a GT bannee.

  334. November 25, 2014 7:20 pm

    banee?

    (Neither looks right.)

  335. egg permalink
    November 25, 2014 7:34 pm

    Did Nasking have a blog of his own or was he a freelance citizen journalist?

  336. November 25, 2014 7:39 pm

    ””””””””””””””
    http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/speeches-parliament/our-abc-not-yours-rupert

    what passes for a policy development process under the Abbott government, which was elected without much of a clue as to what it wanted to create if it did win government. It had a bit of an idea of what it wanted to destroy, but not a great deal about what it wanted to create. It effectively outsourced its policy development process to a rather ambiguous organisation known as the Institute of Public Affairs.

    The IPA published a hit list of 75 policy recommendations, followed by another 25 a short while later. Three of them are relevant to people who consider themselves friends of the SBS and friends of the ABC: item No. 47: ‘Cease funding the Australia Network’-silence Australia’s voice in the Asia-Pacific region, our diplomatic voice, the public broadcasting arm of the ABC that reaches deep into China, Japan and other countries in South-East Asia; item 50: ‘Break up the ABC and put out to tender each individual function’; and item 51: ‘Privatise SBS’.
    Having outsourced policy to the Institute of Public Affairs, and being reasonably awake to the demands of the Murdoch press”””””””””””

    #This is largely correct, and the bumpkins will keep voting for the Nats, even tho they have largely worked against the average bumpkin on the land, or small town. They have been sold-out by the Nats, that went along with mr-rabbits ipa instructed fetishes. The bumpkins and Teabags have been deftly out-manouvered by my abc management, who have used Teabags own `cost-benefit` ideals as a club, to beat the Teabags about the head with. lf the slashing to my abc/sbs goes thru, l suspect it will make `one-term-tony` become reality, not anything teabag-lite or shortmen does. l also won`t be surprised if mr-rabbit does a u-turn on this either, particularly if it looks like `too-many` Nats seats go down the gurgler.

  337. November 25, 2014 7:46 pm

    “I’ve been jousting with toiletboss for years now, and, regardless of our differences of opinion, it’s (almost) always a respectful conversation. Neither of us has seen the need to resort to personal abuse.”

    Tremendous quote!

    More than likely, I’ve come across as disrespectful to you (it’s a character flaw of mine when my [what I consider to be] amusing sneer misses its target) on occasion; but ‘offence’ is in the heart of the offended (most commonly). So, now I wonder, on the odd occasion if I’d taken offence were you being disrespectful? (haha)

    But seriously, I do enjoy the stimulating idea examinations. And yes, it’s rewarding & effortless with a prescient civil discourse & no need to (generally) be concerned about causing offence. A always, I’d maintain that, in real life, we have far more things in common than genuine differentiations. The points of contention are often interesting & worth exploring; even to challenge or reaffirm my own opinion.

    I save my Patented 100% (mostly) Original Pure Personal Abuse exclusively for those who beg it. If they tempt it, they’ve probably asked for it. It can be quite creative but it’s not usually mistaken for non-hostile (nor should it be). I also perpetuate grudges of epic proportions; those who suffer them, know them.

    I will go back & read the article. Honestly, I don’t get authorphiliac about such articles. The headline got me clicking & the piece goes some way towards assembling the (blatantly fucking obvious) illogical contortions, denials & honesty distortions of AbbottCorp. That’s why I linked it.
    But, I will reread it and compile what I consider to be some of the pertinent parts. Not tonight though, long, hard day at the (non)office.

    In fact, I didn’t even know Lenore Taylor penned it. That’s why I responded to your comment about ‘Taylor’ with a snipe at AIMN(which I stand by). I thought you were talking about that Taylor. Funny.
    Interestingly, the only place I’ve ever seen Lenore Taylor regularly bemoaned (which is why I do recognise the name) is…you guessed it..Herr Bolt’s Arschylum.

  338. November 25, 2014 7:47 pm

    “banee?”

    Nah, Nasking’s not banned….

    We’d welcome him back with open arms…

    Every blog needs its resident nutter.

    For the time being we’ll just have to settle for egg.

  339. egg permalink
    November 25, 2014 7:49 pm

    You’re too kind.

  340. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:00 pm

    Heavy hangs the head that wears the crown.

    LOL!

    GOLD! Literally … and its such a BIG fkn crown … LOL!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    banee?

    (Neither looks right.)

    Banshee … anyway at this stage I don’t think anyone cares …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Did Nasking have a blog of his own or was he a freelance citizen journalist?

    CHORTLE! If you are referring to Farnham Bear … yes … everyone else’s …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    From memory the rockshifter and Iaaaan all are banned (sin binned is not the same, egg!) … (the first I am grateful to sreb for … not too grateful … it was a matter of honour I believe … nay safety for my kin …)

    Farnham Bear just went off the rails if you challenged him … I think medication … but I’m no quack … 😈

    Long time a go … and in this household rarely mentioned …

    Actually sreb, Kneel is more like FB than egg! Maybe personal opinion, hey …

  341. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:01 pm

    So was the Ferguson decision right?

  342. egg permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:03 pm

    Excuse me, I’m in the room.

  343. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:04 pm

    Van-Badham sounds like a team-cheerer.

    You sound like a team cheerer, for the team of “MEMEME”.

    What the fuck is it with throw away “cheerleader … dismissing!” lately to skirt around issues.

    So, do you think yabot would have won the election if they actually put forward what they were most obviously planning?

  344. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:04 pm

    So was the Ferguson decision right?

    Obviously, they decided it 🙂

  345. November 25, 2014 8:06 pm

    “But, I will reread it and compile what I consider to be some of the pertinent parts. Not tonight though, long, hard day at the (non)office.”

    Don’t bother yourself too much. I’ve ‘moved on’.

  346. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:10 pm

    Don’t bother yourself too much. I’ve ‘moved on’.

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  347. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:13 pm

    yabot wishes we’d all just move on too 😉

  348. November 25, 2014 8:15 pm

    “Obviously, they decided it ”

    The white peoples decided there was nothing to see here so just move on…

    Meanwhile if a black female cop had shot a good white upstanding frat boy would the outcome have been any different …?

    Nah, of course not….

  349. November 25, 2014 8:18 pm

    “Don’t bother yourself too much.’

    I’ll do it anyway. I’ll take your silence for acquiescence.

  350. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:20 pm

    Nah, of course not….

    Is that because she would have been lynched already?

    Andrew Bolt dances in the flames…

    Lovely imagery. And this should be getting a lot of feedback I’m sure

    “a black community that cannot accept a jury verdict that a white man might be innocent: ”

    I mean, it’s not like they can pull the strings of a grubmint to change the law like a certain white man did when he doesn’t accept a decision, right 😉

  351. November 25, 2014 8:20 pm

    Potential for things to get reeeeally out of hand in the US. Could be nasty.

    Luckily, everyone has a firearm or ten to keep them ‘safe’. 🙄

  352. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:25 pm

    Just another reason most of us are utterly disgusted

  353. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:27 pm

    I’ll do it anyway.

    fyi unsoiled one, my contribution (excuse the italics, twas after a few 😉 )

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/11/21/rostrum-utterly-disgusted-edition/#comment-84576

  354. November 25, 2014 8:29 pm

    I better read the rest of this thread!

    But, gotta go now.

  355. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:33 pm

    I better read the rest of this thread!

    Guess we’ll see ya in the new year then 😉

  356. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:36 pm

    Nah, of course not….

    Me too, sunshine … methinks, too many pointy hats still in the GRAND jury …

    Luckily, everyone has a firearm or ten to keep them ‘safe’.

    C’mon, Toillette, (recognise yer absence) let’s not be coy …. I bet there is at least one bang bang in your home … ?

  357. November 25, 2014 8:49 pm

    ””””What the fuck is it with throw away “cheerleader … dismissing!” lately to skirt around issues.””””

    #Well TomR, l said more then merely `team-cheerer` in that comment,

    AND the next comment, which is on the SAME topic, which has a pretty big explainer in it

    .

    ”””So, do you think yabot would have won the election if they actually put forward what they were most obviously planning?”””

    Probably. Team-cheerers are over-looking all the help team-kevin07-joolya-kevin07-shortmen gave to mr-rabbits promotion to chief sewer-rat.

  358. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:52 pm

    I get the feeling the grubmints trying to outdo each other in the asshole stakes

    Defence Minister David Johnston says he wouldn’t trust the government’s own shipbuilding firm to “build a canoe”, seriously denting hopes the next fleet of submarines will be made locally.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/defence-minister-doesnt-trust-australian-shipbuilder-to-make-a-canoe-20141125-11tqv7.html

    What a miserable prick. Slagging off Australian workers, instead of working with them.

  359. TB Queensland permalink
    November 25, 2014 8:59 pm

    What a miserable prick. Slagging off Australian workers, instead of working with them.

    Or FOR US! ToM … in any other environment he would be sacked!

  360. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 9:03 pm

    Probably.

    Not sure how you come to that conclusion.

    Every time Labor (Gillard in particular) got a roll on, yabot and his team caught up with “metoo”

    NBN, Gonski, PPL, ABC, Superannuation, Medicare Locals

    MeToo all the time, and all the time he lied

    Sure, Labor was presented as a mess by the media, and rudd didn’t help (but I bet most are reminiscing about the old days when Parliament just got on with it between daily SSO’s from yabot). But yabot has shown he lied all the time he was opposition leader. And those promises fed a lot into peoples intentions.

    Possibly, perhaps they could have won being truthful, but, if they had, things would have been a lot different.

    So, the article raises a very valid point.

    Nicely ignored again.

  361. Tom R permalink
    November 25, 2014 9:04 pm

    in any other environment he would be sacked!

    With this mob, he’s likely to become employment minister 😦

  362. November 25, 2014 9:06 pm

    ”””You sound like a team cheerer, for the team of “MEMEME”””

    then you haven`t been paying attention TomR, if you had, ya`might of noticed l don`t support ANY poor bastard being shafted by EITHER team, just coz you can team-cheer womens pension cuts, off-shore gulags, no-gay marriage under team-joolya and boo-hiss under mr-rabbit for near identical results. l can`t. #crap-is-crap

  363. November 25, 2014 9:36 pm

    ”””So, the article raises a very valid point.”””
    ”””Nicely ignored again.”””
    #NO to both.

    lt may be in the `eye` of the beholder, team-cheerers of both `teams`, tiresomely only want to look at so-called `wins` for their team, and `losses` of opposite team. Most of the unrusted don`t work this way, so is largely pointless.

    lf badham was making a `valid-point`, that `valid-point` might include that the `lazy/stupid` journosphere just lost about 400-jobs from its own industry, cheer-led by itself. Another `valid-point` might be that teabumpkins may have lost their `only` local news-source, by their own (stupid) hand. Or another `valid-point` might be the shock and awe hitting my abc staff, as they realize their fake-balance practices have shafted them, their soft pre-election mr-rabbit interviews didn`t pay-off, neither did merely following in the Limited-News rut. #got-it

    #badham was just churn for team-cheerers that refuse to challenge the narrative

  364. egg permalink
    November 25, 2014 10:11 pm

    ‘might include that the `lazy/stupid` journosphere just lost about 400-jobs’

    Surely not the whole 400 were journalists?

  365. Meta permalink
    November 25, 2014 11:01 pm

    (“Surely not the whole 400 were journalists?”

    No, inferentially, there were only an 82 extra Santa’s Charterparty Clauses with respect to the ABC’s outrageous ecoactivisms contra an apolitical-bargain’s open-for-business’s one-stop-shop’s Reef Water Quality Protection Plan, apparently: Great Barrier Reef threatened by Queensland plan to let miners take billions of litres of groundwater, says Marine Park Authority)

  366. November 26, 2014 12:09 am

    (Will the fresh coat of cia funded green paint on the Luvvy-truck be dry in time to steam-roll over current reef-vandal in chief.? Or will the baby fish have to take action on their own after reading the fine-print of their Water-Quality plan.?)

  367. Meta permalink
    November 26, 2014 12:43 am

    (“… what we are missing is a really good way of storing potential energy …”

    Conversely, TB, and yet perhaps moving in similar thought-circles, harnessing natural potential energy gradients, ie plopping, or not, new-old old-new found batteries into the ghettoblaster, no matter the underlying/overlying technology(ies), might not be in any way synonymous with ‘producing’ any (and/or any new) energy at all.

    To make that par-observation, though, might be to query, also, why the attention economy seemingly has identified the best and brightest of the best and brightest, taken that Simonian ultraresource, and then mindfully forgotten its key recommendation, fundamentally R&D, in a retrograde rush to return to a variant of the same ol’, same ol’.

    In the Australian context, for instance, then, and at the very, very least, that might mean significantly augmenting, not insignificantly undermining ‘science, research and innovation‘.)

  368. Meta permalink
    November 26, 2014 1:14 am

    (“…remember destruction is quicker tha[n] construction…”

    I must admit, I almost didn’t notice that ‘Efficiency Dividend’ Blib was all there, at the ABC rally; explaining how demolition work is relatively quick and cheap, and how (re)building is time-consuming and expensive; done bipartisan-neoliberal Right, with long-term ‘plans’ enacted for this and that, wrecking, in small or in large increments, from the inside-out could destroy decades’ worth of accrued institutional capacity and deep-knowledge while crippling (re)constructive activity for decades more; probably a win-win in unfraudulent, flat(tened(-and-scorched)earth books.

    “Or will the baby fish have to take action on their own after reading the fine-print of their Water-Quality plan.?”

    “Ask a fish head, Anything you want to, They won’t answer, They can’t talk”.)

  369. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 8:15 am

    ‘and then mindfully forgotten its key recommendation, fundamentally R&D’

    Doubtful, its more likely that they will do a reorientation exercise away from environment to medicine. But putting all their eggs in one medical basket, in the hope of a brilliant and world shattering breakthrough, is ill conceived.

    The danger of ignoring the seriousness of climate change may initially cost the Coalition some votes, but in the longer run all will be well. Apparently 69% of Channel Nine watchers don’t think humans are causing global warming.

  370. November 26, 2014 8:42 am

    egg, I followed the link from your latest Degas picture, and ended up on Cathy Marie Buchanan’s facebook page, reading excerpts from her book. She writes well.

    https://www.facebook.com/cathymariebuchanan/app_319631768109792

  371. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 8:57 am

    Always nice to richly imagine the bigger picture, makes everything come alive.

  372. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 9:42 am

    ‘might include that the `lazy/stupid` journosphere just lost about 400-jobs’

    You mean “positions””.

    I doubt they actually had jobs

    I was at ABC Ultimo yesterday. I have never seen so many confused looking people aimlessly wandering around since last year’s Christmas Eve at a Westfield

  373. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 9:43 am

    “” It was about my voting intentions at the Victorian state election “”

    Do tell………………………………………..LOL

  374. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 10:28 am

    I have never seen so many confused looking people aimlessly wandering around since last year’s Christmas Eve at a Westfield

    Or the last CPA* Seminar?

  375. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2014 10:45 am

    “Or the last CPA* Seminar?”

    The Communist Party of Australia is now defunct, its former members are now bleating progressives and/or Greens.

  376. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2014 10:47 am

    This article by Tim Dunlop is a good commentary on the parlous state of Australian politics.

  377. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 10:59 am

    It is a good read, an honest assessment, but Abbott is confident the infrastructure revolution will save save his neck.

    Is a three tier democracy necessary?

  378. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2014 11:02 am

    “Abbott is confident the infrastructure revolution will save save his neck.”

    In case you hadn’t noticed Abbott is completely clueless.

  379. November 26, 2014 11:07 am

    “”In case you hadn’t noticed Abbott is completely clueless.””

    🙂

  380. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 11:36 am

    ‘In case you hadn’t noticed Abbott is completely clueless.’

    Admittedly he does give that appearance, but there is much going on behind the scenes which he cannot yet make public.

  381. November 26, 2014 11:41 am

    such as…………..?

  382. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2014 11:41 am

    “there is much going on behind the scenes which he cannot yet make public.”

    On the basis of their ineptitude since taking office Liberals everywhere should be very afraid then.

  383. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 11:42 am

    “………but there is much going on behind the scenes which he cannot yet make public.””

    What…………..he’s found MH370 again ??????????????????

  384. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2014 11:44 am

    If there was a federal ICAC we would be able to get to the bottom of the Frances Abbott scholarship scandal.

  385. November 26, 2014 11:44 am

  386. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2014 11:45 am

    I suspect Hockey is gearing up to roll Abbott!

  387. November 26, 2014 11:49 am

    That’s about as balanced Tim Dunlop has ever been: ‘they’re shit, because they’re all shit.’

    However, I hope he’s wrong on this point: “[M]uch of the serious work of economic management now happens at the pan-national level via organisations like the G20 or the European Union. So-called free-trade agreements and other international contracts zap control from sovereign nations and hand it to these rootless instrumentalities, further undermining the role of parties and the governments they form.”

    Government should be done at the closest possible level to the people it ‘serves’. Not the one furthest away.

  388. November 26, 2014 11:52 am

    “”I suspect Hockey is gearing up to roll Abbott!””

    He’ll have to push Talcum out of the way first!

    Remember Hockey thought he was on to a sure thing the last time there was a spill and Talcum proved more popular… Heck Hockey even consulted “”the Oracle!””

  389. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 11:55 am

    ‘such as…………..?’

    Abbott has to override Bishop and sign up with Beijing’s infrastructure bank.

  390. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2014 12:00 pm

    Talcum will be a lot more calculating whereas the delusional Hockey probably believes he is on a roll and should strike while the iron is hot!!

  391. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 12:08 pm

    Turnbull has ZERO support in the party room.

    Abbott needs to get rid of the deadwood like his Defence Minister and perceived deadwood like Andrews, Abetz and get a few more women into the Cabinet like Kelly O’Dwyer and probably Michaela Cash and move Julie Bishop to AG

  392. November 26, 2014 12:16 pm

    “”and move Julie Bishop to AG”””

    I though you’d be wanting him to move her to the Northern beaches!

  393. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2014 12:16 pm

    Michaela Cash is entertaining in a Looney-Tunes kind of way:

  394. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 12:20 pm

    “”Michaela Cash is entertaining in a Looney-Tunes kind of way:””

    I didn’t say give her anything important.

    Malcolm as Treasurer ?????????????????????????????

    It wont happen unfortunately but he could argue a case better than Sloppy Joe

  395. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 12:37 pm

    Sack Hunt.

  396. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 1:08 pm

    Government should be done at the closest possible level to the people it ‘serves’. Not the one furthest away.

    Perhaps you are beginning to understand people’s opposition to these “free trade” agreements and the often attached clauses that some are so worried about.

    That’s IF we even have any agreements?


    Korea FTA deadline looms
    By James Nason, 14 November 2014

    The next six weeks is shaping as a critical period for Australia’s beef export trade to South Korea as it awaits formal ratification of a Free Trade Agreement with the market.

    http://www.beefcentral.com/news/koreat-fta-deadline-looms/

    I was under the impression, as I’m sure many were, that this was signed and sealed, like the China fta that is also not signed and sealed. One wonders about the Japanese one?

  397. November 26, 2014 1:16 pm

    “Perhaps you are beginning to understand people’s opposition to these “free trade” agreements”

    I’m pro-trade. Have a look at the cars people drive, the TVs they watch, the computer you’re looking at right now. It is international trade that gives us our affluent lifestyle. The iron ore we ship out, allows us to import all this stuff.

    We have delegated foreign affairs and trade to the federal government. Those things can’t be done at a local level (that’s why I said at the closest possible level).

  398. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 2:43 pm

    Or the last CPA* Seminar?”

    The Communist Party of Australia is now defunct, its former members are now bleating progressives and/or Greens.

    Noice try … THE Charted Practicing Accountants …

    I suspect Hockey is gearing up to roll Abbott!

    Back to square -1 t5hen … LOL!

    And Turnbull is now tainted … maybe Barnaby? They could invite Clivey to rejoin the LNP?

    Re Turnbull …

    It wont happen unfortunately but he could argue a case better than Sloppy Joe

    Yeah? Like he convinced everyone that the “new” NBN is so much better if we leave some rotting copper in the ground … only an ignoramus would believe that drivel …

    I know call a DD and sack all of ’em …

    ==================================

    The iron ore we ship out, allows us to import all this stuff. Used to ship out …

    We have delegated foreign affairs and trade to the federal government

    Nup. They have been given the task, by the people, and so far their performance review is not looking good …

  399. Splatterbottom permalink
    November 26, 2014 2:51 pm

    The Ferguson debacle is a classic example of the stupidity of identity politics.

    One thing is clear: there was never a credible case against the police officer.

    There were a couple of discredited witnesses who peddled a story which was manifestly inconsistent with the forensic evidence and with most witness accounts. Nevertheless they were feted by the media who, if they had done their job properly would, early in the piece, reported that it was highly likely that there was no case to answer. Instead they talked up the potential for social unrest, thus having more news to report. Vile leftist publications like NYT and Slate helpfully published the cop’s home address and a picture of his house.

    Obama adviser, Al Sharpton has a lot to answer for. This vile race-baiting victim pimp has made millions as a shakedown merchant and failed to pay his taxes on his ill-gotten gains. Crump, the lawyer to the dead man’s family (he also cashed in the Trayvon Martin case) was smelling money and talking up the outrage.

    For the last two months radicals have been fomenting riots notwithstanding that they were ignorant of the relevant facts, or worse. The only thing that mattered to them was pushing their agendas.

    The dead man’s stepfather screamed “Burn this bitch down” and so Ferguson was burned. Gunshots, arson, arseholes in Guy Fawkes masks looting businesses, mostly minority-owned. Another young black man was shot and killed in the carnage. Cue the outrage about his death – not. This was just another leftist freak show with no interest whatsoever in justice.

    Ferguson is all about dividing society into black and white and then deciding guilt or innocence by skin-colour. Welcome to the world of identity politics.

  400. November 26, 2014 2:54 pm

    “delegated” vs. “given the task”

    If there’s a difference, it’s a pedantic one.

  401. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:10 pm

    I notice nobody has commented on the fact that Craig Thomson has admitted to lying. This is the person that TomR, TB, Reb and Gillard had complete confidence in.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/thomson-lawyer-says-he-lied-over-using-union-money-for-prostitutes/story-e6frg6n6-1227134199285

    A BARRISTER representing Craig Thomson has told a judge that the former Labor MP lied about using union money to pay for prostitutes because he was “under attack” for moral turpitude.

    Thomson also lied to Parliament.

  402. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:28 pm

    ‘I notice nobody has commented on the fact that Craig Thomson has admitted to lying.’

    Its not newsworthy, most of the electorate knew he was lying.

  403. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:44 pm

    If there’s a difference, it’s a pedantic one.

    True, ToSY … I did think about that at the time but thought ah, fk, it’ll give him something to complain about … what about the rest of the sentence?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    To The Editor

    Dear Sir,

    I have just come back from the cinema … can I put up a movie review here?

    OR … just a suggestion, we have a thread devoted to artistic reviews?

  404. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:49 pm

    This is the person that TomR, TB, Reb and Gillard had complete confidence in.

    You got that one wrong … very wrong … for myself I always have (and always will) let the courts decide … I wasn’t there … and I only argued against the lynch mob mentality …

    Get yer facts right before accusing people …

    TB Queensland permalink

    January 31, 2013 4:32 pm

    So now we wait … well, those of us not in the lynch mob … juries work pretty well, from my experience …

    Court hearing, if held, will be after, September, I understand … on with the election …

  405. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:54 pm

    This was just another leftist freak show with no interest whatsoever in justice.

    Oh, the irony …

    For the last two months radicals have been fomenting riots notwithstanding that they were ignorant of the relevant facts, or worse. The only thing that mattered to them was pushing their agendas.

    Most of what you say I agree with … but not being there nor hearing the testimony given to the Grand Jury … I’ll take their decision …

  406. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:54 pm

    “most of the electorate knew he was lying.

    AMIN, TomR, ALP, TB, and some other leftie deadbeat who names escapes me backed up Thomson from the beginning to the end.

    If Gillard supported Thomson that is all the evidence that i need that Thomson was guilty.

  407. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:59 pm

    I see nil is rewriting history.

    My complaint was the assumption of guilt. Everyone deserves assumptions of innocence. I notice Kathy Jackson, who instigated this whole mess, had that assumption. Thomson never had it.

    I notice yabot has the assumption of innocence even after it is discovered his daughter received a dodgy free education from a school that got preferential treatment from her father.

  408. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 4:02 pm

    I also note that ltdnews is rewriting history, still, in reporting what thom(p)son has said (or not)

  409. Meta permalink
    November 26, 2014 4:03 pm

    (Last time I checked, Neil, the matter was still sub judice; as indicated by all the incidental guff about County Court, judges and lawyers, legal argument, lodged appeal being heard, etcetera; what comment do you want people to make about an ongoing legal case, where simple reporting of the facts of that very case is about all the comment which people can lawfully make?

    Oh, you’ve moved on to making prejudicial statements about guilt and innocence. Good for you, and for continuing to ignore the ‘due process’ contentions of the sundry named and shamed.)

  410. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 4:37 pm

    AMIN, TomR, ALP, TB, and some other leftie deadbeat who names escapes me backed up Thomson from the beginning to the end.

    Did you read my comment from JANUARY 2013?

    Try this one from APRIL 2012

    TB Queensland permalink

    April 4, 2012 2:00 pm

    Wake me when you reach all reach agreement will you …. and decide to discuss something new and interesting …

    I’ve just reached a monumental decision … all politicians are pretty much the same … useless and certainly overpaid …

    … and simply discussing whose “favourite” side in politics is best or which politician is worse than the other is, in 2012 … a waste of time … with apologies a waste of my time …

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    In any quote of my comments on Thomson you will find that I only argued due process of the law … neither his guilt nor his innocence …

    In fact you are simply perpetrating the same lynch mob mentality … and getting it very badly wrong …

  411. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 4:39 pm

    … and for continuing to ignore the ‘due process’ contentions of the sundry named and shamed

    Certainly named but certainly not shamed for all the reasons you provide, M!

    Another apology due … I’m still waiting for the other two …

  412. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 4:45 pm

    So, how does nil feel about perpetuating false statements attributed to Thom(p)son by ltdnews etal?

    Is he ready to make an apology yet?

  413. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2014 4:58 pm

    Tooo funny

    All the leftoid deadbeats come out and give reasons why they backed a lying piece of shit.

    And if Thompson was a Coalition politician the leftoids would have been saying something different.

  414. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:15 pm

    Once someone is sentenced at Trial the Courts do have a habit of allowing some reasonable discussion sub judice these days because the previous practice for those on the wrong end of the law was for them to lodge an appeal immediately after their sentencing in order to shut the media up about it.

    Then quietly withdraw the Appeal weeks or months later once the interest had died down.

    That’s how the system now works in practical terms.

    I think a reasonable person having a reasonable discussion about Thomson could reasonably conclude that Thomson could be reasonably be described as …………………………….a fucking lying sack of fucking scumbag shit.

  415. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:16 pm

    Tooo funny

    What, that you won’t apologise for perpetuating ltdnews lies?

    “Former MP Craig Thomson lied about using a union credit card to pay for prostitutes because he was ashamed, his barrister says.”

    The quotation marks are because I am quoting News Ltd, not because News Ltd are quoting Greg James QC. In fact, James said, or intimated, no such thing whatsoever.

    What Greg James was referring to in court is that the prosecution had in their evidence a section entitled ‘Lies’. This contained allegations of lying to the media, including the Laurie Oakes interview.

    The point that James was making is that even if there were lies to the media, this could have been done for a number of reasons, including trying to save himself from embarrassment — but they are irrelevant to the case. It was not any form of admission of Thomson was lying, merely pointing out that it is a waste of money and court time to debate the alleged lies, they may as well debate global warming as discuss media coverage of Thomson’s interviews.

    The fact, this topic is even spoken about tells us that the prosecution has designed their case for media consumption rather than to seek justice.

    https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/will-craig-thomson-be-home-for-christmas,7129

    Rarely has anything in this case been “reported” accurately, and it is all laden with either speculation or outright allegations as in this case which are unfounded and untrue. After the 15th Dec, I would hope Thom(p)son remains lawyered up and starts issuing apologies should the case go well for him.

    If it doesn’t, whatever punishment that would be coming his way has already been meted out by a media with an agenda to pull down a Government. This explains my position well, so I’ll leave it this to explain, not that you will take any note in your blinkered ignorance.

    In a case where you have had senior politicians proclaiming your guilt and a mainstream media baying for your blood, the burden of proof is put firmly on Thomson’s shoulders. It no longer becomes a matter of being proven guilty, with all of the political and media pressure one has to prove their innocence.

  416. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:17 pm

    And my italics have gone haywire again, and this time without outside influence 😉

  417. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:18 pm

    .a fucking lying sack of fucking scumbag shit.

    For a while there, I thought you were talking about ltdnews 😉

  418. November 26, 2014 5:21 pm

    “what about the rest of the sentence?”

    Perfect.

  419. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:31 pm

    We have delegated foreign affairs and trade to the federal government

    That’s the point tosy, it is being taken away from control of our Government, and more and more into the back room of some dodgy international court that follows it’s own procedures, not standard practices.

    And, seemingly, influenced by those with the deepest pockets (ie USofA)

  420. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:38 pm

    “If it doesn’t, whatever punishment that would be coming his way has already been meted out by a media with an agenda to pull down a Government. “”

    What a load of crap !

    If that cunt does not get a custodial sentence it will be union members rioting and rightly so.

    I hope the smug prick gets 3 years minimum.

    And if he does get off he still has the HoR to contend with

  421. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:41 pm

    I see TomR is still defending Craig thomson.

  422. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:01 pm

    Perfect.

    😉

    ==========================================

    And if he does get off he still has the HoR to contend with

    If he were to be called before the Bar after he has been found with nothing to answer (ah, ah the legal system has to do that) … then I’m not sure what they could do?

    … is there a previous case of found not guilty at law and then being called to the Bar?

    Not sure I would have taken Thomson’s case … were I a lawyer.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I see TomR is still defending Craig thomson.

    Get of yer black charger and use your brains for thinking not yer dick … we have always been discussing process of law … and the assumption of innocence … where you cum from its obviously guilty until proven innocent …

    (In fact proving “innocence” is another step beyond being found “not guilty” … mud sticks … as pollies know …

  423. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:05 pm

    “”…………..mud sticks … as pollies know …””

    Yes………Yes…………………I cry myself to sleep every night thinking about the poor treatment of Eddie Obeid and the whole Obeid family.

  424. November 26, 2014 6:13 pm

    “I have just come back from the cinema … can I put up a movie review here?”

    Of course, or you can email it to me…

  425. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:14 pm

    I fkn don’t …

  426. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:16 pm

    On its way, sreb.

  427. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:27 pm

    use your brains for thinking not yer dick

    It was anticipated 😉

    not that you will take any note in your blinkered ignorance.

    😉

  428. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:28 pm

    And I note nil still hasn’t apologised for perpetrating ltdnews false smear either

  429. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:30 pm

    Apparently 69% of Channel Nine watchers don’t think humans are causing global warming.

    Pretty much what I’d expect of ch 9 viewers, they fit the denier demographic.

    I actively boycott that channel whenever possible..

  430. November 26, 2014 6:31 pm

    “Government should be done at the closest possible level to the people it ‘serves’. Not the one furthest away.”

    Indeed.

    try and imagine, for just a second, how much of a fuck the Adelaidecentric SA State government doesn’t give about my (numerically voter-lite) region, then extrapolate that into Federal lobbyist-appeasing.

  431. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:34 pm

    If that cunt does not get a custodial sentence it will be union members rioting and rightly so.

    And there should be rioting if kathy jackson doesn’t get a sentence.

  432. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:46 pm

    ‘I actively boycott that channel whenever possible..’

    Me too.

  433. November 26, 2014 7:03 pm

    “… Abbott is confident the infrastructure revolution will save save his neck.”

    Of course it will, Walter Mitty, privy to secrets of the powerful.

  434. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 7:09 pm

    Just reading between the lines of the daily papers.

  435. November 26, 2014 7:12 pm

    “Did you read my comment from JANUARY 2013?”

    Kneel is a monocular partisan arsehat.

    I’ve almost given up on him ever even attempting to construct a non-polemic argument.

  436. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 9:10 pm

    Blue Energy, simply mix salt and fresh water.

    http://www.nvnom.com/news/testing-blue-energy-afsluitdijk/

  437. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2014 9:32 pm

    “Kneel is a monocular partisan arsehat.”

    I am anti-ALP/Greens. It would be interesting to see what ALP supporters would be saying if Craig Thomson was a Coalition politician. I suspect that people would not be asking for “due process”

    Also Gillard kept supporting this guy long after it was obvious that something was wrong. Gillards judgement was either poor as it usually is or she had an ulterior motive for supporting him.

  438. November 26, 2014 11:18 pm

    I am anti-ALP/Greens.

    confirming unequivocally that “Kneel is a monocular partisan arsehat.”

    Still obsessing about Thompson’s guilt

    I actively boycott that channel whenever possible..

    I haven’t watched commercial Television for about six years

    Also Gillard kept supporting this guy long after it was obvious that something was wrong. Gillards judgement was either poor as it usually is or she had an ulterior motive for supporting him.

    Wow what a hindsight genius… why do we waste money with courts when we have squeal and his crystal ball copy of the telegraph ? Maybe they should have employed him in Murdochs 800 million dollar tax evasion case 🙄

  439. December 4, 2014 12:52 am

    It has fuck all to do with ‘left’ or ‘right’…it’s about malaise and necessary scrutiny of the string pullers sitting at the apex ‘protecting’ us…

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/11/25/talking-james-risen-pay-price-war-terror-press-freedoms/

  440. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2014 10:23 am

    We have delegated foreign affairs and trade to the federal government. Those things can’t be done at a local level

    Have we? When did we do that & when were we, the people asked about it?
    Did the federal govt give itself the role?

    Why can’t the business unions do their own trade in their free market? They can manage to take themselves overseas and state their case to foreign traders can’t they? They are globetrotting all the time. Isn’t this still government protection of industry if the govt [both local and federal] are hawking, touting and deciding trade agreements on behalf of the australian people.

    How close to the people it serves is a secret trade agreement that has never included us in any of the the discussions? Most times the public are very unhappy with the outcomes of these deals.

    Oh silly me, my mistake, you mean the people it serves as big business, not the general public don’t you?

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