Tony Abbott faces Leadership Spill!

5% = Savage ?

ROFLMAO !

How about the Minister forces the merger of the ABC and SBS back office admin areas, how about forcing them into the same office, how about getting them out of trendy Ultimo in Sydnmey, how about forbidding them both from bidding against each other as happened for the Asian Cup, how about getting rid of ABC 24, how about curbing the move into all types of Digital when the void is already being occupied by Commercial,

How about they both get back to their fundamental reason for existence

That is fill the fucking voids left by Commercial……………………ie Rural areas and esoteric arty farty stuff and book reviews.

Its not fucking rocket science.

They just ned a Minister who is happy to kick some arses

(Hypothetically-speaking, in the wonderous era of yellow-bricked-roads and pay(ola)walls (one dollar, one vote), their reason for existence, in democratic terms (one person, one vote) might remain almost the same: basically, informing a demos; a reason perhaps very-much-enhanced, rather than naturally-neutralized, by the very market(ed) successes, and effective barriers-to-entry, which are said to amply fill a void, via the creation of new and better digital divides and informational inequalities, per the proferred commercials, by the Commercials.)

I missed QT, but apparently 10 Labor MP’s have been booted in one day

They really must be hitting a nerve

I don’t think changing a leader is enough for the libs. Until they admit they got it wrong with the budget, and recognise that slugging poor people while rewarding rich ones isn’t going to fly in Australia, changing leaders is only going to be cosmetic.

how about curbing the move into all types of Digital when the void is already being occupied by Commercial,

Such as??

The beauty with digital is, there is already a monumental amount of other, pre-existing contenders out there.

Thousands of blogs, pods, youtube channels, that offer up an endless variety of news and information.

“”…………we need a trusted source of news and that aint the criminal enterprise that is murdoch news corpse. Murdoch should be in jail………….””

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !

‘I’d rather ABC and SBS take the place of commercial, we need a trusted source of news …’

I’ll let that go through to the keeper.

“”Whatever yer drinking, time to share “”

OK my bad………just checked ABCNews24

But why the fuck do we need it when all the other FTAs have people in their newsrooms overnight anyway.

But why the fuck do we need it when all the other FTAs have people in their newsrooms overnight anyway.

In the forlorn hope that we might get some news unswayed by corporate influence.

Wally’s probably trying to find me a BD copy of GoT Season 4 …

I have link you can use ….

Oh, right 😉

Murdoch should be in jail

I AGREE!

Just wunderin’ Has deer leeder sacked that scumbag johnson yet?

He’s gotta go, he let the cat outta the bag.

Take note fucktards
Egg and Nilly Squeal pay special attention…. watch it multiple times just to cement the concept in your tiny brains…

Pay particular attention to this very wise man who make a point of explaining that talking outside your own experience is
Hallucinatory, delusional and profoundly untruthful.

”””5% = Savage ?”””
lt is probably considered a bit `savage` when much of the private/free-market/grand-answer-to-everything is in free-fall, with little hope of fixing their own business model.

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”””how about getting rid of ABC 24”””
#which makes this a bit dumb blubbers

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”””How about the Minister forces the merger of the ABC and SBS”””
”””They just nEed a Minister who is happy to kick some arses”””

You`re not paying attention blubbers, the Govt has just `forced` budget-bullshit on my abc, and have been deftly out-manouvered, causing much unhinging in SA and teabumpkin areas.

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””””how about forbidding them both from bidding against each other as happened for the Asian Cup””””

#Yeah agree blubbers, we have too many cash bonfires as it is with multi-city bids for comm-games and limpdicks, bris-syd-melb-others all bidding against each other is just as stupid, let the corporate burn `their` cash if they want`em.

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”””’fill the fucking voids left by Commercial”””
#they were definitely doing that, oopsy, budget-emergency, remember.?

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””””curbing the move into all types of Digital when”””
#wrong idea, taxpayer-voters want `mobile` services and content blubbers

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”””the void is already being occupied by Commercial””””’
#just wrong headed, very limited `commercial` content,
(and won`t save teh-oz either, no matter how much they squeal otherwise, not recoverable)

‘The federal government has reportedly abandoned the $7 co-payment on bulk billed GP visits, a key element of its May budget.’

UK Mail

Another victory for common sense.

The ABC is unwieldy . The need to be benchmarked against the private sector on measures like –
* Ratio of direct production (reporters,camera men etc) against indirect (eggs managers, executives, personnel officers, accountants)
* total cost per hour of news of television production, ie including above overheads, against commercial television
* Cost of running it’s various blogs against the cost of the private sector, such as this one

The ABC is unwieldy ….. yadayadayada

Got a link fer that yomm, or are you speaking from a position pure ignorance …. again?

How much does it cost to run Fairfax?

How many television stations does Fairfax run?

Don’t know. But $1b/year of taxpayers money is a large amount.

Being socialists i can imagine what goes on. They walk around doing nothing, saying nothing, but saying we deserve a pay rise.

I do not watch the ABC. I believe it is useful for regional areas.

Don’t know. ….. I do not watch the ABC.

I’m not surprised by the amount of times those two phrases go side by side 😉

Christ Neil its about high brow and low brow culture, clearly illustrated in Yes Minister.

Has that nob who demeaned Australian workers been sacked yet?

So Ricky, the public is supposed to fund the Ferrari version of broadcasting!!

What’s wrong with seeing how fully loaded production costs compare with the private sector? It’s hardly “progressive ” to force higher taxes on the public to fund a high cost service.

Arguing against some benchmarking of productive people against overhead people is simply supporting publicly funded feather bedding.

ToM is correct.

A cut under 5% is acceptable and moderate, Howard cut aunty by 10%.

What’s wrong with seeing how fully loaded production costs compare with the private sector?

Are you ignorant on purpose, or is it a result of a misspent youth?

https://theguttertrash.com/2014/11/26/tony-abbott-faces-leadership-spill/#comment-85288

I wonder what lefties would be saying if the ABC preached stuff they disagreed with?

Lefties proclaim we need to spend taxpayers dollars to balance Murdoch

“Lefties proclaim we need to spend taxpayers dollars to balance Murdoch”

Who said that……………………..Quentin Dempster of ABC Sydney did last Sunday at the Sydney Protest March. It was in a speech he gave to all your Lefty mates

the Collins Class Subs being total fuck ups….That’s well known

Actually, it is not well known amongst anyone who who knows well. It is probably well known if you limit yourself to reading ruperts ramblings.

So you can follow that line if you want, or you can live in the real world, where the ASC has performed very well by world standards in building a Submarine model without any prior expertise, which now apparently the libs want to get rid of.

‘Look at climate change, renewable energy …’

Devoid of a theoretical construct which actually works and we only hear crickets, that is not journalism.

‘…the magnanimous lies spun as truth with utter delusional conviction.’

Feel the ironic twist, its going to be hard reconciling our differences.

No thanks.

“Actually, it is not well known amongst anyone who who knows well. It is probably well known if you limit yourself to reading ruperts ramblings.”

Oh really……………………………..well you better tell John Faulkner and the ABC

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-10-21/submarine-fleet-a-major-concern-faulkner-admits/1111178

I’m not doing the ‘take it up with the link’ discussion Tom R enjoys. I’m overseas and the download speed is slow anyway.

But I still don’t see why anyone would object to analysis of direct costs (reporters, camera men, writers) vs indirect (managers, accountants, personnel, IT etc).

And why would taxpayers fund blogs, when so many people represent all points of view voluntarily?

I’m not doing the ‘take it up with the link’ discussion Tom R enjoys. I’m overseas and the download speed is slow anyway.

Well of course you won’t, because the link showd pretty much what you were complaining about, a comparison with FTA and it didn’t come out looking all that rosy for FTA

But I still don’t see why anyone would object to analysis of direct costs (reporters, camera men, writers) vs indirect (managers, accountants, personnel, IT etc).

Well, the “linky thing”, while not delving down to such minute detail, provided what you want, a comparison. No wonder you wanted to ignore it, and continue blathering away even what you wanted was right there in front of, with a “linky” thrown in in case you needed even more prodding to dislodge your ignorance
All to no avail I note 😦

TomR’s link says this

“The previous Labor government had committed to a replacement program that would see Australia commit to 12 new submarines between now and 2035……………….The plan for 12 new subs was expected to cost between $40 billion and $50 billion”

Why do lefties get so upset about spending a much smaller amount on F35’s but say nothing about a much larger amount to be spent on subs? And other Navy stuff as well

Waleed Aly nails it

The great predicament for Abbott is that by falling foul of the fairness test, he has wandered into one of Labor’s very few remaining sweet spots. For decades now, Labor has struggled to explain its identity, which is why on, say, immigration or national security it finds itself hopelessly trapped, tiptoeing inauthentically along a line largely determined by the Coalition. Labor’s most authentic moment arrived in 2007, when Howard served up a fight on WorkChoices. This was Labor in its element. Fairness isn’t quite as sharp, but it at least feels like a Labor theme. And now Abbott’s compelled to fight on that turf.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/coalition-marooned-in-a-sea-of-troubles-20141127-11utge.html

‘Sydney’s growth rate was more than double that of every other state capital, although it was lower than in regional Western Australia and Northern Territory, which are still being boosted by mining activity. The economic performance of regional NSW was in stark contrast to that of Sydney; it contracted by 3.5 per cent in 2013-14.’

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/booming-sydney-carries-struggling-national-economy-20141127-11v4k5.html#ixzz3KJ3tR2HL

“”The reds are crap.””

Try Krinklewood it’s a biodynamic near Broke (I have a few of those laid down as I’m a member there)…………although I do admit not having tried this year’s cellar door selections yet………or a few of the others in that general area.

Scarborough and Briars Ridge are very civilised if you are just sticking to the Polkobin region.

But I did hear it has not been a great year

This is just something that the World needs to address very urgently. Its an outrage that it has not been before

“The absence of one commonly used word for female masturbation suggests that we still don’t have gender equality here in Sweden. Hopefully this is another step towards that.”

Previously the RFSU published research renaming the hymen a ‘vaginal corona’.

http://www.dailylife.com.au/health-and-fitness/dl-wellbeing/swedish-group-wants-to-give-
female-masturbation-a-better-name-20141127-3la9y.html

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………………………!

“Vaginal Corona””………………………………best enjoyed with a slice of lemon or lime I presume

Cheers !

That Link didn’t paste proper

http://www.dailylife.com.au/health-and-fitness/dl-wellbeing/swedish-group-wants-to-give-female-masturbation-a-better-name-20141127-3la9y.html

I tried your link walrus

…Unfortunately we currently do not have any content for Swedish Group Wants To Give…

vaginal corona is enlightenment.

…The myths surrounding the hymen were created to control women’s freedom and sexuality. The only way to counteract this is by disseminating knowledge…

http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2009/12/hymen_renamed

Did you wake up with female masturbation on your mind for some reason?

There’s always male masturbation to console oneself 😉

“”What crap do you read?””

It cums from the SMH 🙂

“Those guidelines for PS employees have been around well before Abbott.”

I knew the story was a load of crap because AO posted the story. Apparently they are the rules.

If Public Servants want to rage against the govt they can leave the PS and rage away in private employment.

As usual AO is lying.

Just google what Rudd did to the CSIRO when he got into power.

Well Tom R, here in the Pacific bit of the USA the download speed is slow, particularly on this device, and I’m not going to hang around in my hotel room reading your links!

Ratio of overheads to productive employees is a common measure of efficiency. That’s probably why the public sector doesn’t like it.

I also note that the paper you’ve referred to analyses cost per ratings unit or something. The ABC is supposed to be disinterested in ratings as a measure of success. Ratings are for the grubby commercial sector .

AO

Apparently Public Servants are not allowed to criticise the govt. They are the rules. And those rules have been around for a long time.

If people want to condemn the govt they can leave the PS, get a job in private employment and condemn away.

I notice you did not condemn what Rudd did to the CSIRO. Rudd did something Howard never did. Rudd stopped DR Spash from publishing a paper on climate change because it went against govt policy.

Yawn.

In fact they often go hand in hand.

So it IS an excuse?

You’re confusing me reb

I’ll just step outside of my hotel room and see if I can work it out.

What a lot of piffle . I read enough of that link to see that it was a 12 year old analysis of cost per ratings point . How this is relevant to taxpayer funding of a Ferrari version of public broadcasting is unexplained by Tom R.

“FYI smartarse I have always advocated onshore processin”

Too funny. This is what your vote in 2007 did TB

This is what the ALP built from 2007-2013
Wickham Point (established in Darwin in 2011)
Curtin (near Derby, WA, reopened in 2010)
Scherger (near Weipa, Queensland, established in 2010)
Yongah Hill (near Northam, WA, established in 2012)
There was also
Inverbrackie Alternative Places of Detention opened 2010
Leonora Alternative Place of Detention opened 2010
Port Augusta Immigration Residential Housing reopened 2010″
Of course i forgot to mention Manus Island reopened in 2012. Most probably lots of others.

You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say and ALP voters are natural totalitarians.

Kneel’s, just taken his pills …

Perhaps he’s just read back through his comments 😉

Yep. September 2002.

The relevance is…?

Have costs of private broadcasters changed in 12 years? Have ratings changed? Has ABC funding changed?

On this and many other contentious issues the public servant’s personal opinion should theoretically remain mute and above the fray.

Yea, mindless robots, that’s what we want our public servants to be. Get out of the hotel room grodo.

You must have a closet full of hats grodo

But they all end up with egg on the face 🙂

No one is paid by the taxpayer to give their personal thoughts you dead shit.

Also, No one is paid by the taxpayer to use taxpayer fund to take it upon themselves to advocate for or against specific government or opposition policies

The CSIRO charter protects the independence of our science. It also protects CSIRO scientists from being exploited in the political process.

“We live in a fkn democracy for christ’s sake! The foundation of which is Freedom of Speech …”

We live in a fkn democracy for christ’s sake! The foundation of which is Freedom to Pirate

Fixed it ! …

“So now yomms complaint is the data is too old, after complaining a minute ago there was no data”

I note the ABC got Macquarie Bank to “analyse” them…………but what about SBS’ 80% taxpayer funding.

Its simply a bullshit study from the start unless they are included in a comparison with public broadcasting from other nations.

but what about SBS’ 80% taxpayer funding.

Its simply a bullshit study from the start unless they are included in a comparison with public broadcasting from other nations.

I’m pretty sure the argument will come back that it is a bullshit study because it includes SBS ROF

It should be noted that the ABC and SBS are combined in this analysis of Australia’s public broadcasting sector, with the ABC accounting for approximately 83% of total public broadcasting revenue in Australia.

The CSIRO charter was introduced by the Rudd government.

And is unrelated to the initial link AO put up.

but I can understand why you might think the Bit Torrent World is rather complicated

Perhaps because it is. It is easy to use a bit torrent client, but the world behind the panel is very complicated.

But we are not talking about all revenue we are talking about government revenue which was average in your report. And that was under the LNP.

The ABC is now an overfunded fat fucking cow. Go and have a look at their Ultimo HQ some day. But hopefully it will be housed out in the sticks somewhere soon.

By the way have you noticed its 2014 ?

‘But hopefully it will be housed out in the sticks somewhere soon.’

A couple of hundred kilometers due west should see a sharp drop in staff, natural attrition.

“……..they have only ever had money taken away from them………”

That’s just BULLSHIT…………………they have been given extra funding for a huge number of new projects. Look at the difference in the Skynews and ABC tenders for the Aust Network plus the move into the Digital world. Each one’s funding includes allocations for general overhead funding

“Even, though, ever since that report, they have only ever had money taken away from them”

Gotta link for every time that’s happened ?

Not quotes that you lift out of reports out of context like the SBS one above I notice. It referred to one graph only. Not the entire report.

“What did you do fer a job again?”

Well I know you dont peddle truth serum

I agree with TB, about the pathetic arguments,

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/31/a-patriotic-state-owned-media-would-not-serve-australias-best-interests

…The Government commissioned KPMG.

The ABC provides a high volume of outputs and quality relative to the level of funding it receives … the ABC appears to be a broadly efficient organisation…

””””””’The great problem is those who make decisions on most everything in government are not remotely qualified to do so and are at the beck and call of lobbyists for interest groups…

Look at climate change, renewable energy and Education… to name a few….

the ABC is not bias, its just that public discourse has sunken so low into the depths of the spin mire that real journalism and scrutiny is shining a light on the magnanimous lies spun as truth with utter delusional conviction.”””””’#agree

# thats a great rant ricky 🙂

# the biggest fault/problem my abc has, is its `fake-balance`, which is `lazy/stupid` because it gives the cranks far too much access to the platform than they deserve or the tiny-proportion of the population the cranks claim they represent, no longer a problem at BBC, which now uses `proportional-balance`, meaning the 3%-denier-segment will only get 3% of BBC air-time. l think this is an excellent move by the BBC ricky, Whatta`bout you.? (my abc friends haven`t cottoned-on to this yet)

l notice `our` usual tea-tards are mindlessly chanting anti-abc clap-trap, yet again, the vast majority of which, is horse-shit. l suppose there will always be those that are happy to wear their tinfoil proudly and allow rupert`s imbeciles to make their decisions for them.

the biggest fault/problem my abc has, is its `fake-balance`, which is `lazy/stupid`

I AGREE! And interesting that this push for ‘balance’ came on once the board was stacked with ideological warriors. The only time a ‘balance’ where two parties get the same voice on a topic would be justified is when you have a two party political system and when the topic is limited to political discourse. Which, funnily enough, was already written into the ABC’s charter to do.

But when they apply that ‘balance’ to scientific matters, it actually removes all semblance of actually looking into a topic in an unbiased manner, It forces bias into a subject where quite often none, or little, actually exists. In effect, it distorts the issue, which is precisely what it did with AGW.

There is a lot wrong with the ABC in it’s current form, and, the sooner they remove the right wing ideologues from it, the better.

The poetry room or art room are places to go when the arguments are pathetic on other threads.

You mean, when you are losing 😉

“The only people hoping for Labor Party govt are the people smugglers”

I forgot to add Labor Party voters also. Corrupt people like to mix with corrupt people.

Egg

If the ALP gets back into power we will replace taking people from UNHCR camps which Scott Morrison is trying to with people who have $10,000.

I haven’t been to the Hunter Valley for a while. It’s not exactly the Mornington Peninsula.

It’s not exactly the Mornington Peninsula.

True. Perhaps that is the secret to its success.

BTW, all 12 year old reports aside TomOfM, I do hope you are enjoying your holidays.

Enjoy the surf , or whatever it is you are doing at the moment;)

The battle for the ABC is a battle for the centre of Australian society. As Coalition members with rural seats now know, the rhetoric about the ABC being an enclave for Greens and the hard left is simply not true. The ABC has broad support.

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/dont-let-selfserving-news-corp-frame-the-debate-on-our-abc-20141128-11vf0i.html

Vic Liberals: the first one-term government for 60 years. Pathetic.

#bringbackjeffkennet

‘It pretending to “speak” for anything is just laughable.’

Only the PLS want more boats, the broader electorate don’t.

I’ve taken the mood of the meeting, and am now prepared to call the election result.

No, not the Victorian election, but the next Federal election:

Labor to win in a landslide!

Oh, woe is me.

Who’s the adjudicator?

C. Jhaelen Irsei

Not Campbell Newman

😆

“rambling, dazed and confused”

😯

“So soon tony?”

Predictions are hard, especially about the future, but I’m going out on a limb. 😉

‘we all agree that you are an absolute delusion imbecilic fucktard’

The royal ‘we’, I’m assuming you are referring to the PLS.

Bill Shorten will be Daniel Andrews’s stoplight tonight.

Bill Shorten’s addressing his “friends”.

Thanks Tom R. The surf is great fun, yesterday I went to a spot that has caused more fatalities than any other surf break in the world… and it’s not sharks! It’s broken necks!

Luckily I survived.

Let me think about that for a moment…

YES!

That really should have been

“YES!

Let me think about that for a moment…” 😉

I see the nurses, ambos and firies are copping much of the blame for the libs defeat.

You nasty activist AO you 😉

but the reality is the Australian people are mighty uncomfortable with the hard-right path that both major parties are taking us down.

I get really sick of this throw away line.

In the article you quoted from AO, it listed 5 points as examples of what a right wing Government would do. The libs are attempting all 5, whereas only the first point can be applied to Labor (and always could be, sad to say). It finishes of with this pearler “i.e. govern on behalf of the majority instead of the 1 %,”

I thought what kind of blind fool would throw a line in like that, and ignore elephants such as GONSKI, PPL, Fair Work Act, ETS, and the many other initiatives that Labor implemented to broaden the tax base, but then I saw the author.

So many writers these days do the same ‘pox on both houses’, but ignore the reality of what Labor achieved (as can be seen from everything the libs are attempting to unwind)

The Right exists largely in the pseudo Left’s own mind – ‘as a straw man onto which to project its delusional and self-interested chatter…’

Yeah, it was ABC, Fairfax and nurses.

SHAME ON ALL OF THEM!

Poor widle multi national media outlets getting ganged up on by Unions (BOO), Nurses and Twtis, stymieing their Dog given right to manipulate the masses into voting the way They want them to vote.

Will the election of yabot be last time media moguls can wield that sort of influence?

There’s a lot of people like me who are thoroughly disillusioned with both parties.

Fair enough, I would think any party that caters to an entire country will not suit everyone all the time

I see labor as a soft version of the libs.

Really? On treatment of asylum seekers, yes, but anything else??

Labor has been just as zealous about neoliberal economics

I don’t disagree with that, except in the manner in which they attempt to distribute the profits of those economics. Labor has, for many years now, been a fairly conservative economic manager. That doesn’t mean they aren’t left of center, just that they recognise that capitalist systems are the proven better model, just with a healthy dose of Government oversight.

labor is as bad as the libs on both. I agree with the privacy aspect, but, they have long been like that, but the pokies, they at least started a path forward. Even that has now been rolled back.

Labor badly needs party reform to enable more membership representation

So they can be pulled in even more directions. But, there is nothing stopping anyone signing into Labor and becoming an MP. Our local has no Union ties, and from memory, rudd also wasn’t ‘beholden’. That worked out well, didn’t it? You want to get involved, you can. I do recognise that pre-selections are messy, but, even the Greens are finding that life in the real world isn’t what they imagined. ALL parties have the problem. Having more random people with less real involvement in the party, imo, is just asking for fragmentation. Not a desirable outcome in a political party

Both parties are beholden to lobbyists and corporate donations

ALL parties are beholden to the same, it is what power does. It is how they react to those influences and, what drives those influences in the first place. With Labor being ‘beholden’ to the Unions, whose core driving force is looking after the worker, then that is an influence I am happier with than when compared to miners or gas companies.

I think they’ve forgotten the idea of a big society

I think policies such as the NDIS, Gonski and Medicare indicate otherwise. I think that they are just up against such a wall of opposition that making real reform in those areas is painstakingly slow

born to rule as the libs.

rudd and some others maybe, but not many others that I have noted. And, again, rudd isn’t a prodigy of the Unions. Love them or hate them, at least they (largely) put through people that are there with the aim to help workers first.

””””this push for ‘balance’ came on once the board was stacked with ideological””#cranks

””””they apply that ‘balance’ to scientific matters, it actually removes all semblance of actually looking into a topic in an unbiased manner, It forces bias into a subject where quite often none, or little, actually exists. In effect, it distorts the issue,””””

””””wrong with the ABC in it’s current form, and, the sooner they remove the right wing ideologues from it, the better.””””

#couldn`t agree more TomR, the shills and cranks add zero to informing viewers, which is what my abc `should` be doing, allowing the shills and cranks to run interference under the fake`balance` banner, only detracts from informing the viewers, and bores them shit-less.

#the silver-lining is the cranks have managed to push for budget-cuts at my abc, cuts which are blowing-up in their own face, as my abc was much less able to cover certain electorates in recent #vicvotes election. lt seems the Teabags were run-over by a speeding luvvy-truck in victoria, last l heard, it was to canberra.

””””libertarian senator David Leyonhjelm – who receives funding from big tobacco – also held a press conference calling for a crackdown on illegal tobacco sales, which tobacco companies claim have risen since the introduction of plain packaging.(#more-tax)

A co-ordinated assault just ahead of the review of plain packaging laws is emerging, with the Australian Retailers Association on Wednesday also labelling the laws a “waste of retailer’s time and resources”.

Executive director Russell Zimmerman cited a KPMG report which showed that illegal tobacco accounted for 14.3 per cent of all tobacco use, up from 13.5 per cent on the previous year.

Mr Zimmerman said the ARA was concerned illegal tobacco products were “swamping the market” and costing the government $1.2 billion in tobacco excise.

The tobacco giants may be getting nervous, as raw sales data obtained from Australia’s supermarkets indicates smoking rates have fallen over the past year, even though revenues are up due to higher taxes.

IRI-Aztec data, which tracks actual sales at Coles, Woolworths, IGA and Foodworks, reveals the number of cigarettes sold at supermarkets fell 2.9 per cent last financial year, suggesting that plain packaging(#1%) and higher taxes(#99%) are working to reduce smoking rates.

The supermarkets covered by the IRI-Aztec report account for more than 65 per cent of Australia’s $13.5 billion cigarette and tobacco market.
http://m.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/big-tobacco-distributes-report-bullying-plain-packaging-laws-20141127-11v7ov.html
”””””””””””””””””””’

#as nanny roxon was starting a `war` with the big-baccy teabags, l still reckon she should of `outlawed` the worst carcinagens/chemicals, and give`em something to `really` moan about, the independent institute of `strolling` is still reporting 5or6 `colorful` packs a day/walk

”””armchair opinionator November 30, 2014 5:53 pm”””’

yeah armchair, many of us are sick to death of both bunch of teabags, the silver-lining, l suppose is, post #vicvotes `analysis` is 1-under-35`s tend to default to the greens, and 2-australiansvictorians are prepared to chuck a `first-term` govt 🙂

And Victorian Labor spent the past four years recruiting and training thousands of volunteers – not just party members – in the art and science of campaigning.
………
Not surprisingly, people will believe a nurse over a politician when it comes to a debate about health. Ditto for a teacher on education, a paramedic on emergency services, or a neighbour on a local issue. Trades Hall’s research suggests this approach delivered a 73 per cent conversion rate for undecided voters.

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/victorian-state-election-how-labor-and-the-unions-blew-up-the-coalition-20141130-11×325.html

Those pesky nurses AO 😉

It is for this reason that still believe that Labor’s attachment to hte Unions (boo) is still their strength. There is still room for people not affiliated with Unions to work their way up that party, but their real strength comes from their Union base. imo

It is managing that base, and that bases already warring elements, that Labor should concentrate on. If the core message is fairness for all, which I still consider to be their maxim, then others will flow in also, as seems to have been the case in Victoria according to (this very biased) article.

Hates a strong word Ricky

Probably suitable in this context though 😉

Misogynist

”””Teabag why do you keep harping on about reports funded by big tobacco?”””

Scroll-up and check ya facts ricky, TomR raised the topic, ””Do you work for big baccy?”TomR.?
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#1% is my guess tomR, maybe #1%.? would be better for simple folk such as ya`self, as l`ve said previously, l`m not buying the horse-shit un/employment or `quit` numbers from the aust burro of surveys, they`re crap.

‘We have an undemocratic far right and centre right with current lab lib.’

There is no far right, anymore than there is far left in our democracy.

Scroll-up and check ya facts ricky, TomR raised the topic

Perhaps Ricky should have been more specific, and said something along the lines of ”Teabag why do you keep supporting reports funded by big tobacco?”

I mean, their numbers are just as reliable as your wankin’/countin’

and make just about as much sense.

Besides, who cares about percentages attributed to each policy in the reduction of baccy use. As long as it is going down, the suite of policies is working.

And like I said, to me, the biggest factor in supporting the fact that Roxon’s measures were the right path is the baccy companies (and their paid shrills and other innumerate barrackers) clamouring about them.

“The lady doth protest too much” springs to mind 😉

‘If they changed leaders, but stuck to the same path, then they are similarly doomed.’

If Malcolm took the reins he would keep a close eye on the polls and recant where necessary. A Labor Lite leader would have the task in front of him to convince the Nats and the electorate that he is capable, but I can’t see anyone else who could pull it off.

I note there’s been a little discussion about the structure of the ALP, and that’s an interesting topic, in my opinion.

The ALP is substantially run by standover merchants and seedy, power hungry types who use largesse and patronage as currency. Regardless of whether they chance upon decent policies from time to time is irrelevant because there’s a putrid odour about the party. Decent people don’t associate with rancid organisations.

I’m sure Al Capone did some nice things occasionally too.

””””’The ALP(#and Libs) is substantially run by standover merchants and seedy, power hungry types who use largesse and patronage as currency. Regardless of whether they chance upon decent policies from time to time is irrelevant because there’s a putrid odour about the party. Decent people don’t associate with rancid organisations.””””

#lts called the `Teabag Model`, and we`re stuck with both teams running it.

aaaaaaaahhhhh fcuk, reportland is now going to regurgitate mr-rabbits waffle

Regardless of whether they chance upon decent policies from time to time is irrelevant because there’s a putrid odour about the party.

Tell it the Victorians. Ya “BOO!” tactics didn’t go down too well there did they

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#thats fine for mindless team-cheerers such as ya`self, but you raised the topic and failed to show evidence of `why` the `kpmg-report` is wrong/fake

The biggest cheerleader of all happily forgets (purposely?) the Kouks demolishing of that report back when the oz last floated it.

How unsurfuckingprising

Ignorance is bliss, or is it blind stupidity? Or simply an addicts clouded withdrawals from coloured packeted killers?

which is basically just all that an attention seeking troll does, and that’s basically all she is..

That’s a little harsh reb. trolls have far more to offer than grodo could ever hope to achieve.

Why all the bile and hatred?

reb summed it up well above tosy

Egg thinks she’s being clever and “entertaining” with stupid remarks that are purely designed to goad ppl into reacting which is basically just all that an attention seeking troll does, and that’s basically all she is..

Have a read through the old AGW thread, or many other random ones, and the amount of times egg refuses to engage, after starting debates with rancid statements, is the stuff of legends.

I can understand some people sometimes not wanting to enter debates, but grodo has made a habit of it, and that is after instigating it with rubbish statements.

I don’t see spite in egg’s words

I didn’t say there was ‘spite’, but it makes so many unfounded allegations and unfounded accusations, and then runs like a whimpering fool when confronted on them.

The first 100, 200 or so times is bearable, but …… well, you get the drift.

As I said, they are harsh comments against it, but eminently justified.

does he think we’ll just accept whatever BS he offers?

It must be a catlik thing.

How many times has he begged forgiveness for past atrocities, promising to be a reborn person the next day

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And how many times are we (the collective) going to fall for it?

“It’s a consistent and frequent pattern of behaviour and if you can’t see it ToSY I can’t help you.”

None of which justifies the putrid attacks.

“Hint tosy … you get the drift”

Hint, Tom R.

I, for one, don’t find’s egg’s words-on-a-page, or pixels-on-a-screen, so deserving of the disgusting retaliation you condone.

Therefore, your opinion is not unanimous.

By the way, Mr Shorten thinks denial the Nile Is a river in Egypt. In fact, it’s a river in several African countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile

denial the Nile Is a river in Egypt. In fact, it’s a river in several African countries.

So, therefore, it is a river in Egypt, is it not?

The lady doth protest too much.

Weren’t you the one protesting about how poor widdle grodo is getting abused? 😉

Do you deny that posters have been fed up with grodo, and then left? I know of a few from this site, and some from the Cafe also.

”””””circumstances are different’ was not allowed to be an excuse for gillard when she actually had a hung parliament to deal with. Abbott lied and offers up ‘circumstances are different’ as an excuse””””

”””does he think we’ll just accept whatever BS he offers?”””

#mr-rabbit `knows` teabag-media will accept it mindlessly tho,

while it shits some of us to death armchair, the timid, gullible, team-cheering canberra press-pack keeps moving toward irrelevance when they refuse to treat mr-rabbit as `toughly` as they treated Joolya, ON EXACTLY THE SAME ISSUE, of LIES. When they crucified joolya so often on lies (joo-Liar) the canberra press remain irrelevant as any form of `news-source` each time they let mr-rabbit get a `free-walk` on his lies. l suppose while teabag-media are happy flush what little credibility they have down the crapper, there is little hope of voters being informed next election either.

“”Misogynist “” ——– Julia Gillard to Tony Abbott in the House of Reps

“”Fuck off attention whore””———————-Tony Abbott replies across the table

Could you imagine the reaction if Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott had an exchange like that ?

Seems to me some here on the Left just fail to measure up to the most basic standards they demand from Tony Abbott

Seems to me some here on the Left just fail to measure up to the most basic standards they demand from Tony Abbott

That is essentially what yabot and his media spruikers said, just in more polite terms.

The message was the same.

btw reb, thanks. 🙂

Yes, this is a great blog, and to put so much voluntary effort providing a place for us opinionated types to vent our opinions is sensational.