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Tony Abbott faces Leadership Spill!

November 26, 2014

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  • LNP faithful say Abbott’s leadership beyond salvation
  • Party in complete disarray over broken promises
  • Abbott brand considered “toxic” by Victorian State Premier

Tony Abbott’s leadership of the LNP Government is under renewed threat with Senior Liberals now openly canvassing whether his position as leader is no longer tenable.

The shock revelation comes in the wake of consistently poor polling, and voter backlash over the savage cuts imposed on the ABC and SBS widely perceived as broken election promise.

It is clear that the LNP underestimated public support for the national broadcaster with mass protests across Australian capital cities attacking the savage cuts inflicted by the Abbott government.

Traditional allies of the Abbott government Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt have both attacked Abbott’s performance accusing the leader of gross breaches of electoral trust.

Abbott has also copped criticism over the botched G20 Summit, which should’ve cemented his position as a global statesman. Instead he was reduced to a lame duck host upstaged by “the rest of the developed world” over his climate change recalcitrance.

The LPN now finds itself in complete disarray with Senior Liberals now breaking ranks from the official party line spin to offer a candid assessment and acknowledgement of the brutality of the massive budget cuts to the ABC.

Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has done what Prime Minister Tony Abbott has refused to do, admitting the government’s cuts to the ABC and SBS are a broken promise.

“Well if you take the view that Tony Abbott’s remarks the night before the election on SBS trumped and obliterated everything his colleagues had said on this matter, then, yes, that promise, if that, if that is a promise, has not been fulfilled,” Mr Turnbull said yesterday.

Pressured on whether the budget reductions constituted a broken promise by Mr Abbott, Mr Turnbull agreed they were cuts.

“Well look, I’ll leave it, certainly there are cuts. He said no cuts to the ABC or SBS. There are cuts to the ABC or SBS.”

According to our sources, Abbott’s leadership will face intense scrutiny should the State election in Victoria this weekend result in a Labor win.  A result that’s widely tipped by pollsters to be a fait accompli.

The Prime Minister’s brand has become so toxic that he’s been “”uninvited”” to participate in local election campaigning in the lead up to this weekend’s election.

 

 

 

 

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  1. November 26, 2014 1:18 pm

    12 months ago, I argued that Abbott wouldn’t be leader of the LNP by the time that May 2015 rolled around.
    Any takers?
    http://mugwumpost.wordpress.com/abbott-and-the-golden-rocking-horse/

  2. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 1:39 pm

    ‘savage cuts imposed on the ABC and SBS’

    It was under 5%, its an efficiency drive because half of their budget goes on wages.

  3. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 2:04 pm

    5% = Savage ?

    ROFLMAO !

    How about the Minister forces the merger of the ABC and SBS back office admin areas, how about forcing them into the same office, how about getting them out of trendy Ultimo in Sydnmey, how about forbidding them both from bidding against each other as happened for the Asian Cup, how about getting rid of ABC 24, how about curbing the move into all types of Digital when the void is already being occupied by Commercial,

    How about they both get back to their fundamental reason for existence

    That is fill the fucking voids left by Commercial……………………ie Rural areas and esoteric arty farty stuff and book reviews.

    Its not fucking rocket science.

    They just ned a Minister who is happy to kick some arses

  4. November 26, 2014 2:19 pm

    Question time funnies….

  5. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 2:31 pm

    How about they both get back to their fundamental reason for existence

    That is fill the fucking voids left by Commercial……………………ie Rural areas and esoteric arty farty stuff and book reviews.

    That sorta denudes your comment of any reason … unless you like to watch mindless “reality” shows … I guess at the end of a hard “creative” day you would …

    Q&A would be devilishly difficult to comprehend …

    How’s the poem coming?

  6. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:27 pm

    its an efficiency drive

    Then the challenge should be on to ALL business to cut their operating costs by 5% NOW()

    I mean, if it’s just “an efficiency drive” then there should be no problems, right?

    Waiting …..

  7. Meta permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:30 pm

    (Hypothetically-speaking, in the wonderous era of yellow-bricked-roads and pay(ola)walls (one dollar, one vote), their reason for existence, in democratic terms (one person, one vote) might remain almost the same: basically, informing a demos; a reason perhaps very-much-enhanced, rather than naturally-neutralized, by the very market(ed) successes, and effective barriers-to-entry, which are said to amply fill a void, via the creation of new and better digital divides and informational inequalities, per the proferred commercials, by the Commercials.)

  8. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:32 pm

    The Efficiency Dividend!

  9. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 3:36 pm

    I missed QT, but apparently 10 Labor MP’s have been booted in one day

    They really must be hitting a nerve

    I don’t think changing a leader is enough for the libs. Until they admit they got it wrong with the budget, and recognise that slugging poor people while rewarding rich ones isn’t going to fly in Australia, changing leaders is only going to be cosmetic.

  10. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:18 pm

    How about they both get back to their fundamental reason for existence
    That is fill the fucking voids left by Commercial……………………ie Rural areas and esoteric arty farty stuff and book reviews.
    Its not fucking rocket science.

    I’d rather ABC and SBS take the place of commercial, we need a trusted source of news and that aint the criminal enterprise that is murdoch news corpse. Murdoch should be in jail, we need to void him and his guttersnipes.

  11. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:23 pm

    how about curbing the move into all types of Digital when the void is already being occupied by Commercial,

    Such as??

    The beauty with digital is, there is already a monumental amount of other, pre-existing contenders out there.

    Thousands of blogs, pods, youtube channels, that offer up an endless variety of news and information.

  12. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:31 pm

    “”Thousands of blogs, pods, youtube channels, that offer up an endless variety of news and information””

    The ABC should therefore cater to fill any voids within that area.

    Also if I recall correctly ABC24 only came about because Gillard overthrew Rudd and the ABC Newsroom had shut up shop for the night.

    How the fuck does that justify millions each year for a possible overnight/late evening “breaking news story”” that happens once in a fucking lifetime.

    Spend it on hospitals schools etc.

  13. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:32 pm

    “”…………we need a trusted source of news and that aint the criminal enterprise that is murdoch news corpse. Murdoch should be in jail………….””

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !

  14. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:33 pm

    Also if I recall correctly ABC24 only came about because Gillard overthrew Rudd and the ABC Newsroom had shut up shop for the night.

    😯

    Whatever yer drinking, time to share 😉

  15. egg permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:40 pm

    ‘I’d rather ABC and SBS take the place of commercial, we need a trusted source of news …’

    I’ll let that go through to the keeper.

  16. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 26, 2014 5:50 pm

    “Murdoch should be in jail, we need to void him and his guttersnipes.”

    I see the natural totalitarian has made a comment.

    Thankfully AO is not in power otherwise we would all be in detention if we were lucky.

  17. Walrus permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:12 pm

    “”Whatever yer drinking, time to share “”

    OK my bad………just checked ABCNews24

    But why the fuck do we need it when all the other FTAs have people in their newsrooms overnight anyway.

  18. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:23 pm

    But why the fuck do we need it when all the other FTAs have people in their newsrooms overnight anyway.

    For the same reason we have government employed police and not a private security company … one organisation HAS to make money … or go under – that little detail influences how a news story is actually told sometimes … (or how the police operate)

  19. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 6:29 pm

    But why the fuck do we need it when all the other FTAs have people in their newsrooms overnight anyway.

    In the forlorn hope that we might get some news unswayed by corporate influence.

  20. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 7:16 pm

    Apologies, TR, Wally’s probably trying to find me a BD copy of GoT Season 4 …

    I notice we both said pretty much the same thing in a different way …

    None so blind …

  21. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 7:22 pm

    Wally’s probably trying to find me a BD copy of GoT Season 4 …

    I have link you can use ….

    Oh, right 😉

    Murdoch should be in jail

    I AGREE!

  22. TB Queensland permalink
    November 26, 2014 7:32 pm

    I have link you can use ….

    Chuckle …

  23. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 7:48 pm

    Just wunderin’ Has deer leeder sacked that scumbag johnson yet?

    He’s gotta go, he let the cat outta the bag.

  24. Tom R permalink
    November 26, 2014 8:00 pm

    Will bishop the ancient be the next leader?

    It shouldn’t get in the way of her performing her duties in the way she currently is surely?

  25. November 26, 2014 9:43 pm

    Take note fucktards
    Egg and Nilly Squeal pay special attention…. watch it multiple times just to cement the concept in your tiny brains…

    Pay particular attention to this very wise man who make a point of explaining that talking outside your own experience is
    Hallucinatory, delusional and profoundly untruthful.

  26. November 26, 2014 10:47 pm

    ”””””wouldn’t be leader of the LNP by the time that May 2015 rolled around.
    Any takers?”””””

    Yeah that`s fine and dandy l suppose, but what`s the replacement the teabags will choose, that haven`t shot their credibility to shit with the public.

    Mr-Talkbull.? shot to shit with the nbn crowd, and the rest of us offended with his arse-renting to mr-rabbits lies on all levels.

    Joolee.? lts okay for israel to endanger aussies with passport fraud.?

    Mr-Eleventy.? Budget Bully.? Mr-Poodle.? with no SA-media.?

    Which one of the anti-VE, anti-Gay, WomensPlaceKitchen, off-shore gulag lovin` cnuts can they possibly offer-up to the voters for even a chance of re-electing the canberra teabags.? Pray-tell.?

  27. November 26, 2014 11:12 pm

    ”””5% = Savage ?”””
    lt is probably considered a bit `savage` when much of the private/free-market/grand-answer-to-everything is in free-fall, with little hope of fixing their own business model.

    .

    ”””how about getting rid of ABC 24”””
    #which makes this a bit dumb blubbers

    .

    ”””How about the Minister forces the merger of the ABC and SBS”””
    ”””They just nEed a Minister who is happy to kick some arses”””

    You`re not paying attention blubbers, the Govt has just `forced` budget-bullshit on my abc, and have been deftly out-manouvered, causing much unhinging in SA and teabumpkin areas.

    .

    ””””how about forbidding them both from bidding against each other as happened for the Asian Cup””””

    #Yeah agree blubbers, we have too many cash bonfires as it is with multi-city bids for comm-games and limpdicks, bris-syd-melb-others all bidding against each other is just as stupid, let the corporate burn `their` cash if they want`em.

    .

    ”””’fill the fucking voids left by Commercial”””
    #they were definitely doing that, oopsy, budget-emergency, remember.?

    .

    ””””curbing the move into all types of Digital when”””
    #wrong idea, taxpayer-voters want `mobile` services and content blubbers

    .

    ”””the void is already being occupied by Commercial””””’
    #just wrong headed, very limited `commercial` content,
    (and won`t save teh-oz either, no matter how much they squeal otherwise, not recoverable)

  28. November 26, 2014 11:26 pm

    ””””””’But why the fuck do we need it when all the other FTAs have people in their newsrooms overnight anyway.”””blubbers

    TB””””””For the same reason we have government employed police and not a private security company … one organisation HAS to make money … or go under – that little detail influences how a news story is actually told””’#Often

    # blubbers, clearly you don`t watch abc24 `over-night, if you did, you would realize afternoon-shift workers will get to see the re-runs of the days latelineland and reportland, also over-night there is aljazeera-english and bbc-news slots too. You seem to be regurgitating nonsense (rupert sourced no doubt) which is largely wrong.

  29. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 7:41 am

    ‘The federal government has reportedly abandoned the $7 co-payment on bulk billed GP visits, a key element of its May budget.’

    UK Mail

    Another victory for common sense.

  30. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 7:53 am

    ’12 months ago, I argued that Abbott wouldn’t be leader of the LNP by the time that May 2015 rolled around.’

    ‘Any takers?’

    ———

    From Xmas Eve until the election Abbott will slowly claw back lost ground and win. Its important to remember its his day job and as a political animal Abbott has no intention of giving up the crown.

  31. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2014 8:38 am

    The ABC is unwieldy . The need to be benchmarked against the private sector on measures like –
    * Ratio of direct production (reporters,camera men etc) against indirect (eggs managers, executives, personnel officers, accountants)
    * total cost per hour of news of television production, ie including above overheads, against commercial television
    * Cost of running it’s various blogs against the cost of the private sector, such as this one

  32. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2014 8:39 am

    Heavens!

    “They” and “its”

  33. November 27, 2014 9:24 am

    The ABC is unwieldy . The need to be benchmarked against the private sector on measures like –
    * Ratio of direct production (reporters,camera men etc) against indirect (eggs managers, executives, personnel officers, accountants)
    * total cost per hour of news of television production, ie including above overheads, against commercial television
    * Cost of running it’s various blogs against the cost of the private sector, such as this one

    What complete bollocks…..
    What pisses me off as a content producer, is comparing the totally unique model to the commercial networks ..its rediculous…

    The Commercial networks news services are not even close to the size and diversity of demographic across mult platforms that the ABC has to deal with….

    Ask your self if the commercial networks are doing a good job?
    10 bunkrupt..9 heading that way and 7 unwatchable….

    Seems to be lots of people around here absolutely talking through their ass that have never worked in multi platform content provision. Hence I will ignore their ignorance with the due stupidity it deserves.

    I can assure you if people are selling the agonising dying death crys of comparable competition practises from Australian unprofitable media outlets that have been dragged kicking and screaming into the new delivery mechanisms paradigm , following the ABC’s lead as “the benchmark”, You are quite insanely deluded…

    Here is the reality… Dying late adopter paper losing money hand over fist like the Australian, propped up by Murdoch is lecturing about efficiencies? Saying we do it better with less….

    What utter stupidity…..
    Channel 9, 7 and 10 all outsource content… 7 closed down the last production they had…9’s flagship underbelly is outsources…..

    The ABC and SBS outsources tons of programs ..but the difference is diversity….

    Comparing the ABC to all the other players in Australia is like comparing a Ferrari with a hyundai…. moreover a Steak dinner to a maccas cheeseburger… its a farcical argument, dumbed down in complexity and superflous of fact attached to agenda brought to you by the same people that gave you “deficit = emergency’

    http://theaimn.com/abc-ideology/

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 9:50 am

    BERLIN — Germany’s biggest companies will have to fill 30 per cent of supervisory board positions with women candidates from 2016 under a law agreed by the country’s ruling parties.

  35. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 9:54 am

    ee,

    Ya got one taker … From Xmas Eve until the election Abbott will slowly claw back lost ground and win.

    Do eggs count?

  36. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 9:55 am

    ‘Ask your self if the commercial networks are doing a good job?’

    They will probably argue that the commercials would do better if the elephant wasn’t in the room.

    The question on everyone’s lips is what will become of the South Australian production house?

  37. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 10:04 am

    ‘The federal government has reportedly abandoned the $7 co-payment on bulk billed GP visits, a key element of its May budget.’

    egg …

    Pre-budget speculation pointed to a $15 co-payment, but the budget outcome prompted a barrage of criticism from welfare groups, Labor and many others.

    Minor party objections left the government most unlikely to get the measure through the Senate.

    Earlier this week, Prime Minister Tony Abbott told a joint party room meeting he was hopeful of clearing ‘one or two barnacles’ by the end of the year.

    He wasn’t referring to a reshuffle though, but policy issues dragging on the government.

    A spokesman for health minister Peter Dutton said the reports on the GP co-payment were media speculation.

    From the link that egg, didn’t supply … 🙄

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850032/The-federal-government-expected-abandon-controversial-7-payment-bulk-billed-GP-visits.html

    Shelved doesn’t mean “abandoned” … it just means they’ll keep quiet until after the next election and try again … Workchoices anyone … why do the LNP call things exactly opposite to what they are … or make up words … “efficiency dividends” … Jesus F Christ!

  38. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 10:07 am

    ‘it just means they’ll keep quiet until after the next election and try again’

    Disagree, it will go into the bottom draw and unlikely to be revived.

  39. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 10:29 am

    Disagree, it will go into the bottom draw and unlikely to be revived.

    So many ways to reply to that …

  40. November 27, 2014 10:42 am

    I have a feeling the results from the Victorian election this Saturday will carry a big message for the Fed Libs.

    Whether or not they take substantial notice of it or not, will be interesting.

    My suspicion is they will not,,,, and they’ll blame it on all sorts of areas except their own performance.

    Oh well,, ho hum,,, here be a cartoon on it . . . .

    https://cartoonmick.wordpress.com/editorial-political/#jp-carousel-431

    Cheers
    Mick

  41. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:12 am

    The ABC is unwieldy ….. yadayadayada

    Got a link fer that yomm, or are you speaking from a position pure ignorance …. again?

  42. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:18 am

    $1B/ year of taxpayers money for the ABC.

    How much does it cost to run Fairfax?

  43. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:23 am

    How much does it cost to run Fairfax?

    How many television stations does Fairfax run?

  44. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:24 am

    For the unedumated

    Despite having a smaller expenditure than the average commercial broadcaster, ABC Television uses its revenue effectively in terms of capturing market share. The following graphs shows the proportion of total expenditure belonging to each network, and their audience share

    http://www.aph.gov.au/~/media/Estimates/Live/ecita_ctte/estimates/add_0304/cita/abc_q009att1.ashx

    That is back in 2003, after years of cuts, and before years of more substantive cuts.

    http://www.abcfriends.org.au/uploads/1/9/7/4/19742359/the_abc_the_facts_aug07.pdf

    Looks like yabot broke the Camels back.

  45. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:27 am

    Don’t know. But $1b/year of taxpayers money is a large amount.

    Being socialists i can imagine what goes on. They walk around doing nothing, saying nothing, but saying we deserve a pay rise.

    I do not watch the ABC. I believe it is useful for regional areas.

  46. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:31 am

    ‘So many ways to reply to that …’

    Imagine this is a tutorial in Political Science 101, a few sentences free of bias will suffice.

  47. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:31 am

    Don’t know. ….. I do not watch the ABC.

    I’m not surprised by the amount of times those two phrases go side by side 😉

  48. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:34 am

    Please tell me why we should spend $1b/year of taxpayers money on scum who could never get a job in the real world?

    $800.000/year for Mark Scott is a joke. But it is a joke that is not funny.

  49. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:35 am

    Christ Neil its about high brow and low brow culture, clearly illustrated in Yes Minister.

  50. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:35 am

    it just means they’ll keep quiet until after the next election and try again

    Is it “Dead, Buried, Cremated”?

    Someone should ask the defense forces what they think of that statement 😉

  51. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:39 am

    Has that nob who demeaned Australian workers been sacked yet?

  52. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:43 am

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/accounts-of-sydney-institute-offer-bonus-glimpse-into-life-of-gerard-henderson-20141126-11ufad.html

    …He declined to say whether the payment was authorised by the board, chaired by Nick Johnson, or how it was calculated. Mr Johnson said he was “not able to add any further comment”, to Henderson’s response to Fairfax Media.
    “As I said, [I have] nothing really to add to Gerard’s factual confirmation of our sign-off process,” Mr Johnson said.
    It is not clear from the accounts what salary Henderson and his wife, Anne Henderson, who is the institute’s deputy director, draw for their toil…

    How much does it cost to run Fairfax?

    How much does it cost to run the australian?

    How much does it cost to run ch 10?

    How much does it cost to run the IPA?

    How muc does it cost to run aunty sally’s car?

  53. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:49 am

    So Ricky, the public is supposed to fund the Ferrari version of broadcasting!!

    What’s wrong with seeing how fully loaded production costs compare with the private sector? It’s hardly “progressive ” to force higher taxes on the public to fund a high cost service.

    Arguing against some benchmarking of productive people against overhead people is simply supporting publicly funded feather bedding.

  54. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:52 am

    I do not watch the ABC

    That is easy to deduce.
    I reckon you’re an avid peruser of anything bolt.

  55. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 11:55 am

    ToM is correct.

    A cut under 5% is acceptable and moderate, Howard cut aunty by 10%.

  56. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2014 12:01 pm

    It’s hardly “progressive ” to force higher taxes on the public to fund a high cost service.

    The higher quality is worth it. Progress comes from enlightenment and information, not corporate self interest.

    After all, if we only have exposure to commercial media with the likes of bolt and jones, we will condemn an entire nation to the forces of racism, bigotry and misrepresentation of facts.

  57. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 12:03 pm

    What’s wrong with seeing how fully loaded production costs compare with the private sector?

    Are you ignorant on purpose, or is it a result of a misspent youth?

    https://theguttertrash.com/2014/11/26/tony-abbott-faces-leadership-spill/#comment-85288

  58. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 12:04 pm

    I reckon you’re an avid peruser of anything bolt.

    lol. that reminded me AO

    No wonder he and his minions consider the abc to be a “hotbed” of lefties. Apparently, ltdnews is too ROFL

  59. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 27, 2014 12:29 pm

    I wonder what lefties would be saying if the ABC preached stuff they disagreed with?

    Lefties proclaim we need to spend taxpayers dollars to balance Murdoch

  60. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2014 12:30 pm

  61. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 12:51 pm

    I do not watch the ABC. I believe it is useful for regional areas.

    STFU … you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about … unless you consider 30 km away from a state capital a “regional area” …

    Some of us prefer better quality shows than Big Brother and Home & Away …

    The ABC is not all about opposing Rupert Murdoch and his Abbott … although Rupert would like a commercial monopoly as quickly as his newspapers crumble … the ABC is about “filling the void” as the learned Sir Walter of North Shore highlighted …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A cut under 5% is acceptable and moderate, Howard cut aunty by 10%.

    That’s 15% … and the pollies received a 34% pay increase in the same time frame … imagine what would happen if 57,000 ADF members were allowed to go on strike …?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    TR, I love the last sentence too!

    Obviously some people shouldn’t be here … why do they say such stupid things? (Rhetorical)

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Lefties proclaim we need to spend taxpayers dollars to balance Murdoch

    Who said that? Gotta link?

    I wonder what lefties would be saying if the ABC preached stuff they disagreed with?

    “preach”? The ABC is actually held to more stringent ant-bias scrutiny than any Media Robber Barons …

  62. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 1:18 pm

    ‘I wonder what lefties would be saying if the ABC preached stuff they disagreed with?’

    If its about the weather there would be a revolution, the world is saved.

  63. Walrus permalink
    November 27, 2014 1:24 pm

    “Lefties proclaim we need to spend taxpayers dollars to balance Murdoch”

    Who said that……………………..Quentin Dempster of ABC Sydney did last Sunday at the Sydney Protest March. It was in a speech he gave to all your Lefty mates

  64. Walrus permalink
    November 27, 2014 1:30 pm

    “He’s gotta go, he let the cat outta the bag.”

    Whats the big secret about the AWD program being possibly $600 Million over Budget and the Collins Class Subs being total fuck ups care of your lazy inept SA workers and their public servant managers.

    That’s well known

  65. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 1:35 pm

    the Collins Class Subs being total fuck ups….That’s well known

    Actually, it is not well known amongst anyone who who knows well. It is probably well known if you limit yourself to reading ruperts ramblings.

    So you can follow that line if you want, or you can live in the real world, where the ASC has performed very well by world standards in building a Submarine model without any prior expertise, which now apparently the libs want to get rid of.

  66. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 1:36 pm
  67. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 27, 2014 2:52 pm

    Razer’s Class Warfare: defend the ABC with politics, not anecdotes [crikey paywall]

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/11/27/razers-class-warfare-defend-the-abc-with-politics-not-anecdotes/
    …Louise Evans, who appears to have endured no more than six unhappy months at RN, offered an assessment of budget in the style of Nick Cater. Which is to say, her observations on the Lazy Left were rich in cultural references and short on facts…

    For the Coalition, this political act is personal. They don’t even care if it hurts their electoral chances, which it certainly will. They just care about doing long-term damage to something they hate.

    These cuts are ideological and personal. As much as many of us would like to address their basis personally, we must keep bringing it back to the political realm…

    …Over the past two decades I have worked for a total of 12 full-time years in five different ABC departments and experienced nothing of the day spa conditions Evans oversaw. Where she observed secure work conditions, I encountered the casualisation of staff. Where she saw extended leave accumulate, I saw cheap half-arsed contracts grandfather staff out of any paid holidays at all. And where Evans spied unlocked drawers overflowing with taxi vouchers, I met only gloriously tough unit managers who required explanations and documentation of any need for travel. Just yesterday, in fact, I found myself at ABC Ultimo to record some television with my colleague Mikey Robins, whom the producer called before his arrival to ask, “Can’t your wife drop you off to spare us a Cabcharge?”. She did…

    …Those few audits available to us unambiguously suggest that the national broadcaster runs on the perfume of a rag dipped by successive governments in ether. As Crikey’s Bernard Keane has reported, even Coalition-initiated studies indicate that the organisation remains efficiently alert even in the face of budget anaesthetic. If there is “bloat” within the organisational body, it almost certainly resides in those departments and positions created to manage complaints of bias, inefficiency or disregard of editorial policy. All charges frequently initiated and now maintained by the Coalition and its unofficial spokesmodels like Cater…

  68. November 27, 2014 4:34 pm

    Fuck there is some froffy fucktardery

    Bias like taste is in the mindset of the beholder…
    Religious Political Gastronomical Sexual…. its all about the psychology of attachment.

    If an issue is attached to the “projection” of personal Bias when people talk outside their own experience it is in fact hallucinatory as it is not grounded in any reality…

    So unless the bias is attached to anything that is routed in anything other than factual first person it is not quantifiable nor defendable..

    Let me give you an example

    “I’m sure they could have saved that man from brain cancer”

    Are you a brain surgeon?

    No I’m not, but I just know he is lazy and didn’t do his best!!!

    How could you possibly know that you are not qualified?

    I pay my taxes and that counts for a lot, plus I read alot…

    Thats rediculous.. How does it qualify you to make a judgement? I only ever see you read the one newspaper and everything you talk about is quoted verbatim straight from there…

    Yes I read extensively…What kind of brain surgeon wears a shirt like that?

    What has that got to do with anything?

    Everything, I’m a taxpayer…..

    I think that newspaper is making you delusional and lazy…

    Thats outrageous I’m a taxpayer its my hard earned dollars that trained him…

    Faux outrage has made you irrational….

    I think you mean false outrage….see you should read more like me……..

    The great problem is those who make decisions on most everything in government are not remotely qualified to do so and are at the beck and call of lobbyists for interest groups…

    Look at climate change, renewable energy and Education… to name a few….

    the ABC is not bias, its just that public discourse has sunken so low into the depths of the spin mire that real journalism and scrutiny is shining a light on the magnanimous lies spun as truth with utter delusional conviction.

  69. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 4:57 pm

    ‘Look at climate change, renewable energy …’

    Devoid of a theoretical construct which actually works and we only hear crickets, that is not journalism.

    ‘…the magnanimous lies spun as truth with utter delusional conviction.’

    Feel the ironic twist, its going to be hard reconciling our differences.

  70. Tom R permalink
    November 27, 2014 5:09 pm

    Feel the ironic twist

    Expand, if you dare.

  71. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 5:28 pm

    No thanks.

  72. Walrus permalink
    November 27, 2014 5:40 pm

    “………the ABC is not bias, …………”

    Quentin Dempster specifically stated in his speech to the ABC luuvvies on the weekend that the role of the ABC is to counter the Evil Murdoch Empire.

    If thats not a taxpayer funded operation being called out by one of its own for bias what exactly is ?

  73. Walrus permalink
    November 27, 2014 5:46 pm

    “Actually, it is not well known amongst anyone who who knows well. It is probably well known if you limit yourself to reading ruperts ramblings.”

    Oh really……………………………..well you better tell John Faulkner and the ABC

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-10-21/submarine-fleet-a-major-concern-faulkner-admits/1111178

  74. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 6:08 pm

    ‘The odd thing is that no viewer notices the slightest difference between normal ABC news coverage and the stream of undiluted social-media ranters that replaces it.’

    ABC Newswatch

  75. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 6:18 pm

    Shadow treasurer Chris Bowen said the leaking to the media that the “GP tax” would be dropped by the year’s end was a deliberate attempt to ease voter backlash expected at this Saturday’s Victorian state election.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/abbott-stands-by-gp-co-payment-aim/story-e6frfku9-1227137266320

    +++++++++++++++++++

    ‘The odd thing is that no viewer notices the slightest difference between normal ABC news coverage and the stream of undiluted social-media ranters that replaces it.’

    Every current affairs program on commercial TV is swamped by adnews within the program – paid for by the individual or company benefitting from the story … sell, sell, sell …

    Is there anything that Uber Kapitalism hasn’t tainted?

  76. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 6:23 pm

    Do you think the Drum is biased?

  77. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 27, 2014 7:06 pm

    I’m not doing the ‘take it up with the link’ discussion Tom R enjoys. I’m overseas and the download speed is slow anyway.

    But I still don’t see why anyone would object to analysis of direct costs (reporters, camera men, writers) vs indirect (managers, accountants, personnel, IT etc).

    And why would taxpayers fund blogs, when so many people represent all points of view voluntarily?

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 7:36 pm

    But I still don’t see why anyone would object to analysis of direct costs (reporters, camera men, writers) vs indirect (managers, accountants, personnel, IT etc).

    Wally, would …

    =============================

    Do you think the Drum is biased?

    Do you?

  79. November 27, 2014 7:39 pm

    Or more importantly…

    Do you think the Drum is shit?”

    YES!

  80. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 7:40 pm

    Golf ball-sized hailstones, destructive winds and torrential rain are battering parts of Brisbane.

    The weather bureau has issued a severe warning for Brisbane city, Ipswich, Logan, Redland and Moreton Bay.

    No probs here … just lots of rain, light hail, thunder and lightening and strong winds … but then we live in a regional centre according to Kneel … 😈

  81. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 7:41 pm

    Do you think the Drum is shit?”

    YES!

    Awwww … you stole my thunder – again!

    I was setting it up!

  82. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 7:42 pm

    Ooops … missed the … 😆

  83. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 7:43 pm

    Gotta practice … the Christmas Show is this Saturday …

  84. November 27, 2014 7:51 pm

    *looking for a target, but can’t really find one*

    😯

  85. November 27, 2014 8:07 pm

    I’m at the Hunter Valley…

    The reds are crap.

  86. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 27, 2014 8:35 pm

    “Some of us prefer better quality shows than Big Brother and Home & Away …

    $1b/year of taxpayers money is a lot to pay for your personal pleasure.

  87. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 8:49 pm

    The reds are crap.

    And NZ makes the best whites … we’re doomed … isn’t Bertoli in the Hunter? I’ve been there? (and bought a dozen cleanskins that turned out to be crap … no way of proving that the sample you drink is what they actually SEND!)

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    $1b/year of taxpayers money is a lot to pay for your personal pleasure.

    You really are an ignorant Fuckwit that should be living in the United States of America … the land of the fucked and the free* …

    * to scrounge and live on the streets and serve your country and become homeless and suffer … and die … as your kids struggle to survive in a first world country that doesn’t give a shit about anything but … $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpUygDrIcAAKq5j.jpg:large

  88. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 9:02 pm

    $1b/year of taxpayers money is a lot to pay for your personal pleasure.

    And one of your psychological problems is a one-eyed, ME, outlook that you attempt to translate to everyone else … d’ya think I’m the only person who watches and enjoys ABC/SBS (I can read the subtitles!) …

    TR, I think, put up data to prove the number of people who actually watch the national programs … and you prattle on like a spoilt schoolkid … the exams are this week aren’t they?

    … and just because you don’t have the intellect of a worm you think Abbott with no intellect at all, should be supported in destroying an instrument of national importance … fucking idiot*

    I pay taxes for all sorts of shite that I don’t believe in catlik schools spring to mind …

    *

    … the words moron, imbecile, and idiot mean different things. In psychology, an idiot has the least intelligence on the IQ scale (this now is equivalent to someone who is mentally retarded or the more politically correct “mentally challenged”); an imbecile is not quite as dumb as an idiot and is now considered equivalent to moderate retardation; a moron is then the highest level of intelligence for someone who is mentally retarded, thus considered as being mildly mentally retarded. Specifically, those who have an IQ between 0 and 25 are idiots; IQs between 26 and 50 are considered imbeciles; and those who have an IQ between 51 and 70 are considered morons.

  89. TB Queensland permalink
    November 27, 2014 9:04 pm

    Do you get the “impression” (intended) that the Art for Art’s Sake thread is a safe haven for lost arguments ?

  90. egg permalink
    November 27, 2014 9:11 pm

    ‘The ABC, and its nauseating coterie of Greeny-Lefty, inner-city, bike-riding, latte-sipping, sandal-wearing, basket-weaving, yoghurt-knitting, pro-Palestinian, “Fuck Tony Abbott” supporting, Ultimo-squatting trendoids…’

    Australian Climate Madness

  91. November 27, 2014 11:36 pm

    Feel the ironic twist, its going to be hard reconciling our differences.

    You cannot possibly grasp the concept or have any understand irony if you did you would realise your rants are a dichotomy of futile and delusion…

    I am really not interested in anybody that cannot teach me anything I don’t already know.. A lonely female troll who pretends to be a man cutting and pasting bullshit out of blogs by people who are equally unqualified and delusional is so far from my intellectual consciousness it is immeasurable…
    .NEXT

    Do you think the Drum is biased?

    Your understanding of media is on par with your understanding of science.. zero…

    Or more importantly…
    Do you think the Drum is shit?”
    YES!

    It started off fantastically when Annabell was editor and gradually morphed into unwatchable crap…Its an opinion show with too many sources and a low bar for commentary

    $1b/year of taxpayers money is a lot to pay for your personal pleasure.

    Illustrates my point.. thats what this moron brings to the table

    ‘The ABC, and its nauseating coterie of Greeny-Lefty, inner-city, bike-riding, latte-sipping, sandal-wearing, basket-weaving, yoghurt-knitting, pro-Palestinian, “Fuck Tony Abbott” supporting, Ultimo-squatting trendoids…’
    Australian Climate Madness

    Why dont you just fuck off with your derailing bullshit… its not funny ..you’re a cunt…

    Do you get the “impression” (intended) that the Art for Art’s Sake thread is a safe haven for lost arguments ?

    There is a good reason its full pichka’s pictures 🙄

  92. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:26 am

    well you better tell John Faulkner and the ABC

    Beautiful, a quote from an oz story, well done because that wouldn’t be dripping with context removed completely. Even in the abc story, Faulkner refutes the oz story. One gets the feeling we are only hearing a part of the story 😉

    But, I don’t dispute that a project of this scale and complexity will not have problems, it is a major technical and manufacturing undertaking, with a lot of learning on the way. We have very specific needs for our subs that are not currently catered for by any other program, so we are not just building subs, but building knowledge in their construction and, most importantly, their maintenance. I’m more concerned with what we have learned, and how we are tracking. Since the signs are all good, why would you throw all that away just so another country can go through the same process, but at our expense. Just look at the cost overruns of the strike force fighters for an example, and how forgiving yabot was of cost overruns and delays given them. And that is from a country that has been doing it a long time. We are learning from scratch, and every little hickup is thrown up as a major defect.

    The final Coles review says that now two or three of the submarines are materially available 90 per cent of the time and that the Collins is on track to meet international benchmarks that will see three subs available at all times by 2017.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-08/collins-class-submarine-review-may-see-government-reconsider-re/5375908

    So, it looks like, after a long and torturous learning process, we are on track to be not just a capable submarine builder, but world class, and this grubmint wants to throw all that knowledge and skill away, for what….?

  93. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:27 am

    I’m not doing the ‘take it up with the link’ discussion Tom R enjoys. I’m overseas and the download speed is slow anyway.

    Well of course you won’t, because the link showd pretty much what you were complaining about, a comparison with FTA and it didn’t come out looking all that rosy for FTA

    But I still don’t see why anyone would object to analysis of direct costs (reporters, camera men, writers) vs indirect (managers, accountants, personnel, IT etc).

    Well, the “linky thing”, while not delving down to such minute detail, provided what you want, a comparison. No wonder you wanted to ignore it, and continue blathering away even what you wanted was right there in front of, with a “linky” thrown in in case you needed even more prodding to dislodge your ignorance
    All to no avail I note 😦

  94. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:37 am

    Really, bronnie the ancient is just a blatant fucking party hack, not a speaker

    Question time in Canberra today was one of the most chaotic sessions ever, with speaker Bronywn Bishop ejecting a record 18 ALP members from Parliament.

    That’s six more than Bishop’s previous record of 12.

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/chaos-in-canberra-a-record-18-labor-mps-thrown-out-during-raucous-question-time-2014-11

    I’m sure it’s all those nasty Labor fault though 😉

  95. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2014 7:45 am

    TomR’s link says this

    The previous Labor government had committed to a replacement program that would see Australia commit to 12 new submarines between now and 2035……………….The plan for 12 new subs was expected to cost between $40 billion and $50 billion”

    Why do lefties get so upset about spending a much smaller amount on F35’s but say nothing about a much larger amount to be spent on subs? And other Navy stuff as well

  96. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 7:54 am

    Why do lefties get so upset about spending a much smaller amount on F35’s but say nothing about a much larger amount to be spent on subs?

    Because, with the subs, we are investing not just in hunks of metal, but our own people.

  97. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 7:55 am

    Waleed Aly nails it

    The great predicament for Abbott is that by falling foul of the fairness test, he has wandered into one of Labor’s very few remaining sweet spots. For decades now, Labor has struggled to explain its identity, which is why on, say, immigration or national security it finds itself hopelessly trapped, tiptoeing inauthentically along a line largely determined by the Coalition. Labor’s most authentic moment arrived in 2007, when Howard served up a fight on WorkChoices. This was Labor in its element. Fairness isn’t quite as sharp, but it at least feels like a Labor theme. And now Abbott’s compelled to fight on that turf.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/coalition-marooned-in-a-sea-of-troubles-20141127-11utge.html

  98. egg permalink
    November 28, 2014 8:16 am

    ‘Premier Mike Baird will go to the March election with a policy of privatising the electricity networks — the “poles and wires” — to raise $20 billion to spend on infrastructure.’

    Daily Terror

  99. egg permalink
    November 28, 2014 8:26 am

    ‘Sydney’s growth rate was more than double that of every other state capital, although it was lower than in regional Western Australia and Northern Territory, which are still being boosted by mining activity. The economic performance of regional NSW was in stark contrast to that of Sydney; it contracted by 3.5 per cent in 2013-14.’

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/booming-sydney-carries-struggling-national-economy-20141127-11v4k5.html#ixzz3KJ3tR2HL

  100. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 8:53 am

    “The political climate for Aboriginal people across Australia is not good. The Abbott government has cut $543 million and is looking to cut more out of the federal budget…

    ……………..

    “Tony Abbott is supposed to be the Prime Minister for Indigenous affairs but he’s not listening to us.”

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/11/27/he-was-supposed-be-pm-indigenous-affairs

    This is also the same ministerferwomens who was not wearing a white ribbon on White Ribbon Day 2014/11/27/he-was-supposed-be-pm-indigenous-affairs

  101. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 8:58 am

    “”The reds are crap.””

    Try Krinklewood it’s a biodynamic near Broke (I have a few of those laid down as I’m a member there)…………although I do admit not having tried this year’s cellar door selections yet………or a few of the others in that general area.

    Scarborough and Briars Ridge are very civilised if you are just sticking to the Polkobin region.

    But I did hear it has not been a great year

  102. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 9:40 am

    Having said that Krinklewood is about $30 per bottle.

    Macquariedale is another biodynamic and much cheaper. However have not set foot in the joint for 4 years or so. I assume it is still there. Its in the backblocks of the Pokolbin area

  103. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 9:59 am

    This is just something that the World needs to address very urgently. Its an outrage that it has not been before

    “The absence of one commonly used word for female masturbation suggests that we still don’t have gender equality here in Sweden. Hopefully this is another step towards that.”

    Previously the RFSU published research renaming the hymen a ‘vaginal corona’.

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/health-and-fitness/dl-wellbeing/swedish-group-wants-to-give-
    female-masturbation-a-better-name-20141127-3la9y.html

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………………………!

    “Vaginal Corona””………………………………best enjoyed with a slice of lemon or lime I presume

    Cheers !

  104. egg permalink
    November 28, 2014 10:07 am

    ** chuckle **

  105. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 10:22 am

    This is just something that the World needs to address very urgently. Its an outrage that it has not been before

    Yer a sick lad, Wally … have you discussed your dilemma with Mrs W?

    What crap do you read?

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2014 10:41 am

    I tried your link walrus

    …Unfortunately we currently do not have any content for Swedish Group Wants To Give…

    vaginal corona is enlightenment.

    …The myths surrounding the hymen were created to control women’s freedom and sexuality. The only way to counteract this is by disseminating knowledge…

    http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2009/12/hymen_renamed

    Did you wake up with female masturbation on your mind for some reason?

    There’s always male masturbation to console oneself 😉

  107. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2014 10:48 am

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/11255048/Female-masturbation-Swedish-group-wants-to-rename-it.html

    …A sex education group in Sweden is looking for an alternative phrase to describe the sexual act, to help normalise female sexual pleasure.
    The organisation has launched a competition asked for alternative suggestions to the phrase ‘female masturbation’ and will vote on the winning entry in June 2015…

    Enlightenment again, those swedes are at the forefront of equality aren’t they?

  108. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2014 11:05 am

    Public servants are not allowed to have personal opinions anymore. What is it with the libs and dobbing on others?
    Might as well be living in china.

    The funding of political think tanks [eg IPA etc] should be open and transparent, especially as they seek to change public opinion toward the interests of their members.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/18/charities-pr-rightwing-ultra-rich

  109. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 11:10 am

    “”Public servants are not allowed to have personal opinions anymore. What is it with the libs and dobbing on others?””

    Those guidelines for PS employees have been around well before Abbott.

    Miglo used to shit himself like the cowardly fucktard he is about them

  110. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 11:11 am

    “”What crap do you read?””

    It cums from the SMH 🙂

  111. egg permalink
    November 28, 2014 11:18 am

    ‘It cums from the SMH’

    That filthy Fairfax rag.

  112. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2014 11:24 am

    “Those guidelines for PS employees have been around well before Abbott.

    I knew the story was a load of crap because AO posted the story. Apparently they are the rules.

    If Public Servants want to rage against the govt they can leave the PS and rage away in private employment.

    As usual AO is lying.

    Just google what Rudd did to the CSIRO when he got into power.

  113. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2014 11:47 am

    Well Tom R, here in the Pacific bit of the USA the download speed is slow, particularly on this device, and I’m not going to hang around in my hotel room reading your links!

    Ratio of overheads to productive employees is a common measure of efficiency. That’s probably why the public sector doesn’t like it.

    I also note that the paper you’ve referred to analyses cost per ratings unit or something. The ABC is supposed to be disinterested in ratings as a measure of success. Ratings are for the grubby commercial sector .

  114. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 11:56 am

    I’m not going to hang around in my hotel room reading your links!

    That’s your prerogative, but don’t keep rambling on about things that have just been exposed for you as if they didn’t happen. A hotel room is no excuse for stupidity.

    Ratings are for the grubby commercial sector .

    And they are being beaten at their own game by a mob of commies ROFL

  115. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2014 12:05 pm

    Just because people are public servants doesn’t mean that in a private capacity they can’t have an opinion on their government – same as any other person in private, they vote too.
    You can’t censor thoughts. The abbott govt appears to be particularly sensitive to any negative opinions, they spend much time and money in central HQ on controlling the message [and their own inept ministers].

    But, abbott is the first to jump ship when his own policies stink. He leaves his colleagues like shags on rocks while he scurries away like the populist coward that he is.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/joe_hockey_tony_abbott_split_on_ieVDEgq1Lui5ninQ6akVTJ

    …Treasurer Joe Hockey will fight a ­proposal to shelve the Medicare ­co-payment as it emerged he was among several members of cabinet unaware of the move.

    Despite the decision to shelve the unpopular $3.6 billion budget measure as part of Tony Abbott’s strategy to rid his government of “barnacles” and start next year afresh, Mr Hockey vowed to press ahead with the policy…

    …In Parliament on Thursday, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said he remained committed to putting a price signal on Medicare and keeping the system ­sustainable but stopped short of ­committing to the policy as announced in the May budget.

    Mr Abbott also sidestepped when asked whether he would take it to the next election if unable to secure the ­passage of the legislation this term…

  116. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 12:16 pm

    Apparently they are the rules.

    lol

    Who made those rules?

    Because grog was blogging, and being very critical, but that wasn’t against the rules back then.

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2014 12:17 pm

    AO

    Apparently Public Servants are not allowed to criticise the govt. They are the rules. And those rules have been around for a long time.

    If people want to condemn the govt they can leave the PS, get a job in private employment and condemn away.

    I notice you did not condemn what Rudd did to the CSIRO. Rudd did something Howard never did. Rudd stopped DR Spash from publishing a paper on climate change because it went against govt policy.

  118. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2014 12:19 pm

    I knew the story was a load of crap because AO posted the story. Apparently they are the rules.

    dibber dobbing on others are not ‘the rules’.

    The workplace is meant to be apolitical, not a hotbed of culture spies dobbing on colleagues for their personal, private opinions.

    Only a liberal government ever asks their public service to dob each other in for private thoughts and opinions, they also foster a surveillance culture in the workplace. All very open to abuse and malicious personality abuses by grovelling suckhole types
    Totalitarian control and insecurity, government censorship much?

  119. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2014 12:25 pm

    Yawn.

  120. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2014 12:32 pm

    Business is the political wing of the liberals. Abbott has no qualms about expecting them to sell his government’s policies.
    imagine rupert’s squawking outrage if the labor party used trade unions to sell their message??
    Oh, that’s right, unions must be annihilated and destroyed, they are the enemy of plutocracy.
    Why should business be given any respect by workers when they unite in unionised strength to destroy wages and conditions in this country?
    I can’t understand people like neil who moronically vote against their own interests.

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott pleads with business to sell policies:
    http://www.afr.com/p/national/prime_minister_tony_abbott_pleads_4bHPipMdHH9MTg5rFDIK5J

    …Tony Abbott on Wednesday night appealed to the business community to help the government sell its economic agenda foll­owing a decision to dump or water down key budget measures and new evidence the budget is far more vulnerable than previously thought.

    The Prime Minister told the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry’s Australian
    Business Leaders’ dinner last night that the success of his government depended partially
    on strong business backing…

  121. November 28, 2014 1:09 pm

    “A hotel room is no excuse for stupidity.”

    True. In fact they often go hand in hand.

  122. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 1:14 pm

    “”What crap do you read?””

    It cums from the SMH

    I don’t care where it comes from you read crap … obviously … yer like fkn schoolboy sometimes …

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “Those guidelines for PS employees have been around well before Abbott.”

    I knew the story was a load of crap because AO posted the story. Apparently they are the rules.

    If Public Servants want to rage against the govt they can leave the PS and rage away in private employment.

    And that’s the issue ….

    I don’t care how long the rules have been around a PS should have the right to express a political opinion publicly …

    In business you have the right to publically express an opinion concerning senior management/directorship … it’s often a whistleblowing exercise …!

    The Abbott’s Canberra Monastery is the most authoritarian Federal government this country has seen … let’s hope its the last …

    We live in a fkn democracy for christ’s sake! The foundation of which is Freedom of Speech …

  123. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 1:15 pm

    True. In fact they often go hand in hand.

    Literally!

    (Very droll, sreb!)

  124. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 1:16 pm

    Yawn.

    Kneel’s, just taken his pills …

  125. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 1:18 pm

    In fact they often go hand in hand.

    So it IS an excuse?

    You’re confusing me reb

    I’ll just step outside of my hotel room and see if I can work it out.

  126. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2014 1:41 pm

    “I don’t care how long the rules have been around a PS should have the right to express a political opinion publicly

    I can see one reason why they shouldn’t. They are getting paid by the taxpayer and so should not use taxpayers money to give their opinions.

    For example a govt employee may be against climate change but they govt may be for it.

    “The Abbott’s Canberra Monastery is the most authoritarian Federal government this country has seen

    Your insane.

    Too funny. A natural totalitarian giving lectures on authority. Why don’t you go back to building detention centers TB?

    Oh yes and vote for more funding for the ABC for your own personal pleasure.

  127. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2014 1:53 pm

    What a lot of piffle . I read enough of that link to see that it was a 12 year old analysis of cost per ratings point . How this is relevant to taxpayer funding of a Ferrari version of public broadcasting is unexplained by Tom R.

  128. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:01 pm

    Why don’t you go back to building detention centers TB?

    FYI smartarse I have always advocated onshore processing … check my comments BEFORE long, The Abbott took over …

    … and I have no idea what a “natural totalitarian” is … unless you are referring to The Abbott’s Front Bench and the Speaker of the House …

    Anyway time for you nap … all that schoolwork must make you tired …

  129. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:02 pm

    Why don’t you go back to building detention centers TB?

    Mmmmm … centres it is?

  130. egg permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:10 pm

    ‘And they are being beaten at their own game by a mob of commies’

    They are predominantly PLS and not Marxists.

  131. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:15 pm

    “FYI smartarse I have always advocated onshore processin”

    Too funny. This is what your vote in 2007 did TB

    This is what the ALP built from 2007-2013
    Wickham Point (established in Darwin in 2011)
    Curtin (near Derby, WA, reopened in 2010)
    Scherger (near Weipa, Queensland, established in 2010)
    Yongah Hill (near Northam, WA, established in 2012)
    There was also
    Inverbrackie Alternative Places of Detention opened 2010
    Leonora Alternative Place of Detention opened 2010
    Port Augusta Immigration Residential Housing reopened 2010″
    Of course i forgot to mention Manus Island reopened in 2012. Most probably lots of others.

    You find out what people believe by what they do not by what they say and ALP voters are natural totalitarians.

  132. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:18 pm

    I read enough of that link to see that it was a 12 year old analysis of cost per ratings point

    ROFL. Macquarie Bank Limited are 12 year olds 😆

    How this is relevant to taxpayer funding of a Ferrari version of public broadcasting is unexplained by Tom R.

    Well, this was hint 😉

    1.1
    Scope of the Report
    Macquarie Bank Limited (Macquarie) has been engaged by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (the ABC) to provide an analysis of the ABC’s funding compared to international public broadcasters and its domestic peers. As part of our analysis we have reviewed the ABC’s level of funding, the funding levels of several international public broadcasters and the revenue and expenditure levels of commercial broadcasters in Australia. We have also considered a number of areas relevant to public broadcasting and broadcasting more generally, such as funding sources and mechanisms, genre and programming mix and market share

    Maybe 11 year olds have troubles with 12 years old writing mannerisms? Or is the reason for the inattention closer to what TB alluded to 😉

  133. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:19 pm

    Kneel’s, just taken his pills …

    Perhaps he’s just read back through his comments 😉

  134. egg permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:26 pm

    ‘For example a govt employee may be against climate change but the govt may be for it.’

    On this and many other contentious issues the public servant’s personal opinion should theoretically remain mute and above the fray.

  135. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:27 pm

    Yep. September 2002.

    The relevance is…?

    Have costs of private broadcasters changed in 12 years? Have ratings changed? Has ABC funding changed?

  136. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:36 pm

    The relevance is…?

    I thought the ABC had been a hotbed of commie wankers for decades.

    If they were run that tightly back in 2002, imagine what they are like now, because, since then, they have had their budget cut continually.

    So now yomms complaint is the data is too old, after complaining a minute ago there was no data

    😆 😆 😯

  137. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:38 pm

    On this and many other contentious issues the public servant’s personal opinion should theoretically remain mute and above the fray.

    Yea, mindless robots, that’s what we want our public servants to be. Get out of the hotel room grodo.

  138. egg permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:40 pm

    Cognitive Dissonance

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: It is so difficult for me you see, as I am wearing two hats.

    James Hacker: Yes, isn’t that rather awkward for you.

    Sir Humphrey Appleby: Not if one is in two minds.

    Bernard Woolley: Or has two faces.

  139. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:42 pm

    You must have a closet full of hats grodo

    But they all end up with egg on the face 🙂

  140. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2014 2:52 pm

    FFS
    No one is paid by the taxpayer to give their personal thoughts you dead shit.

  141. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 3:01 pm

    No one is paid by the taxpayer to give their personal thoughts you dead shit.

    Also, No one is paid by the taxpayer to use taxpayer fund to take it upon themselves to advocate for or against specific government or opposition policies

    The CSIRO charter protects the independence of our science. It also protects CSIRO scientists from being exploited in the political process.

  142. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2014 3:07 pm

    Yep. 12+ years old

    Nothing has changed in 12+ years

    But what’s the point of making a judgement about cost per ratings point when ratings aren’t supposes to be the purpose of public broadcasting?

  143. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 3:50 pm

    “We live in a fkn democracy for christ’s sake! The foundation of which is Freedom of Speech …”

    We live in a fkn democracy for christ’s sake! The foundation of which is Freedom to Pirate

    Fixed it ! …

  144. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 3:59 pm

    But what’s the point of making a judgement about cost per ratings point when ratings aren’t supposes to be the purpose of public broadcasting?

    It is how the private broadcasters rate themselves, so they rated against their metrics. Bad naorty commies 😉

    Nothing has changed in 12+ years

    Well, except for having had millions more taken off them you mean?

    The foundation of which is Freedom to Pirate

    Arr

  145. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 4:03 pm

    “So now yomms complaint is the data is too old, after complaining a minute ago there was no data”

    I note the ABC got Macquarie Bank to “analyse” them…………but what about SBS’ 80% taxpayer funding.

    Its simply a bullshit study from the start unless they are included in a comparison with public broadcasting from other nations.

  146. egg permalink
    November 28, 2014 4:40 pm

    The CSIRO charter was introduced by the Rudd government.

  147. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 4:44 pm

    The foundation of which is Freedom to Pirate

    Arr

    Chuckle … and he would if only he knew how … that poem must be just about finished, I reckon …

    One day to go ’til Wally finds me a GoT BD R4 … much excitement!

  148. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 5:29 pm

    Chucky needs to go back to college, methinks … flimsy research and dodgy conclusions …

    “A leader” is a contentious compliment …

    ALWAYS choose the aisle seat on a flight? You might reconsider after reading this research.

    A leader in infectious diseases has said the aisle seat is the germiest seat on the plane, thanks to the number of people you’re exposed to as they walk by.

    Chuck Gerba, a microbiologist from the University of Arizona, told io9 that people should avoid aisle seats as you’re more likely to come in contact with, and be contaminated by, other passengers on your flight.</iblockquote.

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/why-you-really-dont-want-to-sit-in-the-aisle-seat/story-fn6yjmoc-1227138327714

    I'll continue asking for an aisle seat …

  149. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 5:46 pm

    “Chuckle … and he would if only he knew how ”

    It’s hardly rocket science…………but I can understand why you might think the Bit Torrent World is rather complicated………………………being a Queenslander and all.

  150. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 5:46 pm

    Opinion polling for the Victorian election campaign has been nothing if not stable, and Galaxy has emphasised the point by ending the show with a poll putting Labor’s lead at 52-48, just as it was in its last two statewide polls.

  151. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 5:51 pm

    … but I can understand why you might think the Bit Torrent World is rather complicated …

    Chortle! … “the Bit Torrent World …” … so you can use Google then?

    What’s yer favourite BitTorrent client? 🙂

  152. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 5:56 pm

    but what about SBS’ 80% taxpayer funding.

    Its simply a bullshit study from the start unless they are included in a comparison with public broadcasting from other nations.

    I’m pretty sure the argument will come back that it is a bullshit study because it includes SBS ROF

    It should be noted that the ABC and SBS are combined in this analysis of Australia’s public broadcasting sector, with the ABC accounting for approximately 83% of total public broadcasting revenue in Australia.

    The CSIRO charter was introduced by the Rudd government.

    And is unrelated to the initial link AO put up.

    but I can understand why you might think the Bit Torrent World is rather complicated

    Perhaps because it is. It is easy to use a bit torrent client, but the world behind the panel is very complicated.

  153. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:02 pm

    BTW has that miserable scumbag apologised for bagging his fellow Australians.

    What a prick!

    http://www.saveoursubs.com.au/sacktheminister?utm_campaign=resignjohnst_fu&utm_medium=email&utm_source=australianlaborparty

  154. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:19 pm

    But we are not talking about all revenue we are talking about government revenue which was average in your report. And that was under the LNP.

    The ABC is now an overfunded fat fucking cow. Go and have a look at their Ultimo HQ some day. But hopefully it will be housed out in the sticks somewhere soon.

    By the way have you noticed its 2014 ?

  155. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:22 pm

    “BTW has that miserable scumbag apologised for bagging his fellow Australians.”

    The truth about SA ship workers hurts ay………….LOL

    Ask yourself why your ship builders parasites upon the rest of the Nation and perhaps you’ll see the light one day.

  156. egg permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:23 pm

    ‘But hopefully it will be housed out in the sticks somewhere soon.’

    A couple of hundred kilometers due west should see a sharp drop in staff, natural attrition.

  157. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:29 pm

    The ABC is now an overfunded

    Even, though, ever since that report, they have only ever had money taken away from them 😯

    What did you do fer a job again? 😆

    Ask yourself why your ship builders parasites upon the rest of the Nation

    What, are we paying fer them to attend weddings at taxpayers expense or something ? 😆

  158. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:34 pm

    “……..they have only ever had money taken away from them………”

    That’s just BULLSHIT…………………they have been given extra funding for a huge number of new projects. Look at the difference in the Skynews and ABC tenders for the Aust Network plus the move into the Digital world. Each one’s funding includes allocations for general overhead funding

  159. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:39 pm

    “What’s yer favourite BitTorrent client? ”

    Why would I even answer that since I’m not a low life thief like you are.

    Yeah…….yeah………………..I guarantee sometime over the weekend you’ll pull out your stupid fucking hypocritical “robber baron” slogan yet again

    YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN !

  160. Walrus permalink
    November 28, 2014 6:43 pm

    “Even, though, ever since that report, they have only ever had money taken away from them”

    Gotta link for every time that’s happened ?

    Not quotes that you lift out of reports out of context like the SBS one above I notice. It referred to one graph only. Not the entire report.

    “What did you do fer a job again?”

    Well I know you dont peddle truth serum

  161. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 28, 2014 7:09 pm

    The private broadcasters are struggling, looking for every possible saving to survive.

    A 5% saving would have been regarded as great news. But in the public service Department of the ABC it’s a disaster.

    A 12+ year old study of cost per ratings point is a red herring.

  162. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 7:27 pm

    I guarantee sometime over the weekend you’ll pull out your stupid fucking hypocritical “robber baron” slogan yet again

    OWNED!

    You might want to Google it …

    I read the comments here and think how pathetic some of the “arguments” are …

    Defending the indefensible ….

    The ALP bled all over each other … and looked like utter fools … and paid the price …

    The Abbott & The Acolytes have shat all over Australia and parts of the world … and look like incompetent children … guess what will happen to them …

    Step 1. Victoria (Thank you Mr Abbott)

    Step 2. Queensland (Thank you Mr Abbott & Acolyte Noddy)

    Step 3.

  163. Tom R permalink
    November 28, 2014 7:28 pm

    A 5% saving would have been regarded as great news.

    I bet the investors would wonder why their onvestment is running with a 5% wastage factor if that were the case

    It referred to one graph only. Not the entire report.

    It referred to the comparison between the ABC and the FTA networks. Not “one graph only”

    Gotta link for every time that’s happened ?

    I’ll admit I do seem to recall that Labor did increase funding, but that didn’t bring it back from what howard had ripped out of it to begin with.

    A 12+ year old study of cost per ratings point is a red herring.

    Or, an example of what you claimed, even after I put it up, of something that didn’t exist 😉

  164. TB Queensland permalink
    November 28, 2014 7:30 pm

    TOXIC TONY

    BILL Shorten is there. Julie Bishop is there. Even John Howard has got the call-up. But Tony Abbott is conspicuously missing from the final day of campaigning for the Victorian election.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/the-one-prominent-liberal-not-welcome-on-victorian-campaign/story-fnj4aog3-1227138266305

  165. November 28, 2014 8:01 pm

    #sameoldsameold

  166. egg permalink
    November 28, 2014 8:01 pm

    I agree with TB, about the pathetic arguments,

  167. November 28, 2014 8:35 pm

    “… and I have no idea what a “natural totalitarian” is … ”

    In case you’re wondering, TB, Bolt says that shit often

    I’m sure that probably won’t surprise you. It’s from Bolt or one of Bolt’s jizzswapping fellow travellers.

  168. November 28, 2014 8:56 pm

    #sameoldsameoldcrumblingcoalition

    #hoistbyownpetards

    #integritydeficitoverexposed

    #victorianshitsandwichwithsauceorwithout

  169. November 28, 2014 9:08 pm

    I agree with TB, about the hideout,

  170. November 28, 2014 10:46 pm

    I’m still in the Hunter Valley… It’s like a little bit of the Gold Coast has installed itself in the South.

    This is how bacteria must spread I imagine.

  171. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2014 11:10 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/31/a-patriotic-state-owned-media-would-not-serve-australias-best-interests

    …The Government commissioned KPMG.

    The result, leaked in 2006, was a report that found the ABC was very efficient, and needed an extra $125.8m in core funding over the next three years to maintain its present operations. After comparing the ABC to Australian commercial broadcasters and public broadcasters overseas, KPMG concluded:

    The ABC provides a high volume of outputs and quality relative to the level of funding it receives … the ABC appears to be a broadly efficient organisation…

  172. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2014 11:32 pm

    It’s hard for voters to trust leaders who won’t promise true integrity:
    http://theconversation.com/its-hard-for-voters-to-trust-leaders-who-wont-promise-true-integrity-34710

    …We elect people to represent our interests, not their individual interests or the interests of their party machine. Our taxes pay the wages of our elected representatives and contribute, in part, to the bank accounts of political parties. We contribute to the latter because under Victoria’s political funding rules, taxpayers give A$1.20 (adjusted for inflation) for every first-preference vote a party receives. There is a 4% eligibility requirement.

    If for no other reason (and there are others), paying taxes gives us the right to know not just about the decisions made in our name, but also the processes that led to those decisions. In exchange for taxes paid, we are asking for greater transparency and accountability on public sector matters. That includes government-business relations that involve the spending of taxpayers’ dollars…

  173. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 28, 2014 11:50 pm

    Criminalising dissent: anti-protest law is an ominous sign of the times:
    http://theconversation.com/criminalising-dissent-anti-protest-law-is-an-ominous-sign-of-the-times-34790

    …Three United Nations human rights rapporteurs considered the Bill to breach international law, one describing it as “shocking”. They considered the legislation, as originally envisioned, to be:

    disproportionate and unnecessary [creating a] chilling effect of silencing dissenters … [who are] key to raising awareness about human rights, political, [and] social concerns … holding not just governments, but also corporations accountable…

    …Australia is the only Western democracy to lack an entrenched bill or charter of rights. Nor do we enjoy a strict separation of powers doctrine to keep governmental power in check. Our civil rights are entirely the product of our parliamentary process … and entirely vulnerable to it…

  174. November 29, 2014 2:29 am

    ””””””””The ABC is unwieldy . The need to be benchmarked against the private sector on measures like –
    * Ratio of direct production (reporters,camera men etc) against indirect (eggs managers, executives, personnel officers, accountants)
    * total cost per hour of news of television production, ie including above overheads, against commercial television””””””””””#horse-shit/wrong

    #For the larger part of `manager-to-camera-ops`, salaries/wages in the `private/commercial` is much higher.

    #Commercial news is `news-lite` when compared to my abc, you are trying to compare two very un-like operations.
    _________________

    ”””’* Cost of running it’s various blogs against the cost of the private sector, such as this one”’#guffaw

    l do suspect you`re probably more correct here, (l`ve blogged similar), l`m also not convinced `every`show needs a fakebook and a twitter, and could probably get away with an abc-radio, abc-web, and abc-tv on each, which would be much easier for the public to follow, instead of hunting down dozens of accounts to `follow`.

    Transcripts, teh-drum, and `text` news-items could have been put on wordpress or tumblr (without comments), let the public `reblog` to their own sites, then don`t have to `moderate`, beyond the first half-dozen `reblog` links.

  175. November 29, 2014 2:55 am

    ””””””’The great problem is those who make decisions on most everything in government are not remotely qualified to do so and are at the beck and call of lobbyists for interest groups…

    Look at climate change, renewable energy and Education… to name a few….

    the ABC is not bias, its just that public discourse has sunken so low into the depths of the spin mire that real journalism and scrutiny is shining a light on the magnanimous lies spun as truth with utter delusional conviction.”””””’#agree

    # thats a great rant ricky 🙂

    # the biggest fault/problem my abc has, is its `fake-balance`, which is `lazy/stupid` because it gives the cranks far too much access to the platform than they deserve or the tiny-proportion of the population the cranks claim they represent, no longer a problem at BBC, which now uses `proportional-balance`, meaning the 3%-denier-segment will only get 3% of BBC air-time. l think this is an excellent move by the BBC ricky, Whatta`bout you.? (my abc friends haven`t cottoned-on to this yet)

  176. November 29, 2014 3:06 am

    ”””””””””What’s wrong with seeing how fully loaded production costs compare with the private sector?””””””””””

    Which `production` costs.? news.? drama.? or the `unique` type, which commercial don`t even do.? #mindlesschanting

    .

    ”””””””””It’s hardly “progressive ” to force higher taxes on the public to fund a high cost service.”””””””””””

    lts hardly `progressive` clever, smart, intelligent, wise, to demand reduction of a national news-communication system in a massive country that cyclones, bushfires or/and floods on a near annual basis, no matter how much rupert squeals otherwise.

  177. November 29, 2014 4:04 am

    l notice `our` usual tea-tards are mindlessly chanting anti-abc clap-trap, yet again, the vast majority of which, is horse-shit. l suppose there will always be those that are happy to wear their tinfoil proudly and allow rupert`s imbeciles to make their decisions for them.

  178. November 29, 2014 4:29 am

    Correct.
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/31/a-patriotic-state-owned-media-would-not-serve-australias-best-interests

    l suppose `our` tea-tards will now have to check the bolt-handbook to discover how long KPMG have been a `pinko` outfit, or why they`re driving the luvvy-truck. #teabags

  179. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2014 7:55 am

    the biggest fault/problem my abc has, is its `fake-balance`, which is `lazy/stupid`

    I AGREE! And interesting that this push for ‘balance’ came on once the board was stacked with ideological warriors. The only time a ‘balance’ where two parties get the same voice on a topic would be justified is when you have a two party political system and when the topic is limited to political discourse. Which, funnily enough, was already written into the ABC’s charter to do.

    But when they apply that ‘balance’ to scientific matters, it actually removes all semblance of actually looking into a topic in an unbiased manner, It forces bias into a subject where quite often none, or little, actually exists. In effect, it distorts the issue, which is precisely what it did with AGW.

    There is a lot wrong with the ABC in it’s current form, and, the sooner they remove the right wing ideologues from it, the better.

  180. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2014 7:58 am

    Wow, Plain Packaging must have them shaking in their boots. They’re reviving that old report the Kouk demolished last time they floated it. Funny as hell

    The two biggest tobacco companies in Australia have begun a campaign to undermine the nation’s plain packaging laws, ahead of a Department of Health review of the effectiveness of the regulations.
    ………
    According to Philip Morris spokesman Simon Dowding, “the study was produced by respected Australian academic Professor Sinclair Davidson from RMIT, and has just been published in the Australian National University journal, Agenda”.

    But it makes no mention of Professor Davidson’s association with the IPA, or the long history of tobacco funding of the organisation.

    http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/big-tobacco-distributes-report-bullying-plain-packaging-laws-20141127-11v7ov.html

    My question, if the laws are increasing smoking, as they claim (even though they are not, as was shown), why are they so worried about them?

  181. November 29, 2014 8:22 am

    The trouble with lots of the commentators prosecuting the ultra right agendas is they are not proportioning any factual position, they are pushing an ideologists barrow. Journalistic rigour should treat them according to the credibility of their facts not spin.
    The problem with allowing people the platitudes of balance in reporting is it energises deceit. Monkton is a good example of that…

    Abbott has made a powerful enemy here… and retribution will be brutal as Dempster will represent martyrdom to the values, principals and credibility of real journalism epitomised by the ABC.

    http://m.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/abc-sacks-quentin-dempster-20141128-11voj4.html

    Prediction…
    Victorians will start the landslide back into centrist sanity and reject the social engineering of the lunar right walter mitty brigade of lying fascist tory dog bothering filth.

  182. egg permalink
    November 29, 2014 9:46 am

    ‘I agree with TB, about the hideout,’

    I love a good argument, when there is something worthwhile to debate. The poetry room or art room are places to go when the arguments are pathetic on other threads.

  183. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2014 9:57 am

    The poetry room or art room are places to go when the arguments are pathetic on other threads.

    You mean, when you are losing 😉

  184. November 29, 2014 10:33 am

    These Tory whores must fucking go they are out of control

  185. November 29, 2014 10:49 am

    The poetry room or art room are places to go when the arguments are pathetic on other threads.

    Well just stay there and don’t pass go because you never assert an argument, rather cut and paste off topic bullshit about shit of which you have no fucking idea…

    Taking of Idea’s.. apparently there is no room for any Big Idea’s in Abbott’s ABC

    http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2014/11/axed-big-ideas.html

  186. public toilet permalink
    November 29, 2014 12:07 pm

    Diddums@9:46am

  187. TB Queensland permalink
    November 29, 2014 12:29 pm

    I’m still in the Hunter Valley… It’s like a little bit of the Gold Coast has installed itself in the South.

    You’re beginning to sound like Lonely Planet …

    … and as you now classify yourself as a Melbournian Mexican it does damage the cred a bit, sreb …

    Just sayin’ …

    GC yuk … in the Hunter? (as those of us in the know call The Hunter Valley …) 😉

  188. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2014 1:32 pm

    The only people hoping for Labor Party govt are the people smugglers who hope they can restart a million dollar industry.

    It make sense. A corrupt and immoral political party (The ALP and their supporters) are hand in hand with a corrupt and immoral industry.

  189. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2014 1:48 pm

    “The only people hoping for Labor Party govt are the people smugglers”

    I forgot to add Labor Party voters also. Corrupt people like to mix with corrupt people.

  190. egg permalink
    November 29, 2014 1:51 pm

    Comrade Neil, the boats are a thing of the past. Even if the ALP came back to power federally, independent of the Greens, there is little likelihood of returning to those days. Maintaining a bipartisan approach on this would be prudent.

  191. Neil of Sydney permalink
    November 29, 2014 2:00 pm

    Egg

    If the ALP gets back into power we will replace taking people from UNHCR camps which Scott Morrison is trying to with people who have $10,000.

  192. egg permalink
    November 29, 2014 2:35 pm

    It would political suicide for the ALP to turn back the clock on this issue. The people want orderly immigration and that is what we have under this centre right government, so don’t concern yourself further.

  193. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 29, 2014 3:15 pm

    I haven’t been to the Hunter Valley for a while. It’s not exactly the Mornington Peninsula.

  194. November 29, 2014 4:55 pm

    Walter Mitty speaks for ‘The people’.

  195. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2014 7:15 pm

    It’s not exactly the Mornington Peninsula.

    True. Perhaps that is the secret to its success.

    BTW, all 12 year old reports aside TomOfM, I do hope you are enjoying your holidays.

    Enjoy the surf , or whatever it is you are doing at the moment;)

  196. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2014 7:20 pm

    Walter Mitty speaks for ‘The people’.

    I’d agree with that, except that Walter Mitty’s legacy was, from my takeout of the movie, attention to detail, whereas, our inaptly named walter, imo, has detail to attention.

    It pretending to “speak” for anything is just laughable.

  197. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2014 7:24 pm

    The battle for the ABC is a battle for the centre of Australian society. As Coalition members with rural seats now know, the rhetoric about the ABC being an enclave for Greens and the hard left is simply not true. The ABC has broad support.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/dont-let-selfserving-news-corp-frame-the-debate-on-our-abc-20141128-11vf0i.html

  198. November 29, 2014 7:34 pm

    “You mean, when you are losing ;)”

    Who’s the adjudicator?

  199. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2014 8:09 pm

  200. November 29, 2014 8:17 pm

    “I love a good argument, when there is something worthwhile to debate.”

    Well maybe you should try it sometime…

  201. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2014 8:20 pm

  202. November 29, 2014 8:21 pm

  203. November 29, 2014 8:22 pm

    It’s all Labor’s fault….!!!!

  204. November 29, 2014 8:25 pm

    Here’s to the cancellation of the East-West Link, and traffic gridlock for years to come.

    Yay!

  205. November 29, 2014 8:26 pm

    Vic Liberals: the first one-term government for 60 years. Pathetic.

    #bringbackjeffkennet

  206. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2014 8:28 pm

    Tom Watson interview: ‘There is no doubt in my mind that at least one politician abused kids’
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/28/tom-watson-interview-no-doubt-one-politician-abused-kids

    …The scourge of the phone hacker now has a new crusade: to get to the bottom of the claims of a Westminster paedophile ring…

  207. egg permalink
    November 29, 2014 8:29 pm

    ‘It pretending to “speak” for anything is just laughable.’

    Only the PLS want more boats, the broader electorate don’t.

  208. November 29, 2014 8:38 pm

    I live in a communist state.

  209. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2014 8:41 pm

  210. November 29, 2014 8:46 pm

  211. November 29, 2014 8:50 pm

  212. November 29, 2014 8:51 pm

    Daniel Andrews will owe his CFMEU overlords rulers bosses partners, big time.

  213. November 29, 2014 8:52 pm

    hahahahahaha….

  214. November 29, 2014 8:54 pm

  215. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2014 8:59 pm

  216. November 29, 2014 9:00 pm

  217. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2014 9:08 pm

  218. November 29, 2014 9:08 pm

  219. November 29, 2014 9:10 pm

    I’ve taken the mood of the meeting, and am now prepared to call the election result.

    No, not the Victorian election, but the next Federal election:

    Labor to win in a landslide!

    Oh, woe is me.

  220. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2014 9:15 pm

    Oh, woe is me.

    Pain is Gain 😉

  221. Tom R permalink
    November 29, 2014 9:16 pm

    Who’s the adjudicator?

    C. Jhaelen Irsei

    Not Campbell Newman

    😆

  222. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2014 9:16 pm

  223. November 29, 2014 9:17 pm

    “”Labor to win in a landslide!””

    That’s the most prescient thing you’ve said for a while.

    And you know what – it’ll be the media’s fault!

    And Labor’s of course!

  224. November 29, 2014 9:20 pm

    “The only people hoping for Labor Party govt are the people smugglers”
    I forgot to add Labor Party voters also. Corrupt people like to mix with corrupt people.

    Suck it up trough cake.. this is the beginning of the end of the dishonest tory whores you so adore for no other reason than being a complicit thorny ass smear on the Y fronts of reasonable argument.. Admit it you’re a cheerleader for the low intellect vindictive

    Comrade Neil, the boats are a thing of the past. Even if the ALP came back to power federally, independent of the Greens, there is little likelihood of returning to those days. Maintaining a bipartisan approach on this would be prudent.

    Yeah here at Gutter Trash we most certainly have a Bipartisan approach.. we all agree that you are an absolute delusion imbecilic fucktard

    Egg
    If the ALP gets back into power we will replace taking people from UNHCR camps which Scott Morrison is trying to with people who have $10,000.

    Only a vile pond scum of questionable morality and low IQ would support such a complete cunt like Morrison….

    Walter Mitty speaks for ‘The people’.

    You have permission to use that line…. lol seriously people are realising Abbott has water mittied himself into office…don’t you think…

  225. November 29, 2014 9:20 pm

    “rambling, dazed and confused”

    😯

  226. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2014 9:21 pm

    No, not the Victorian election, but the next Federal election:
    Labor to win in a landslide!
    Oh, woe is me.

    So soon tony?
    Remember, abbott’s planning to sweeten people up over the next couple of years. Might even dropkick some more stinker policies.

    I think I’ll wait to see what happens in qld first

  227. November 29, 2014 9:25 pm

    “So soon tony?”

    Predictions are hard, especially about the future, but I’m going out on a limb. 😉

  228. egg permalink
    November 29, 2014 9:32 pm

    ‘we all agree that you are an absolute delusion imbecilic fucktard’

    The royal ‘we’, I’m assuming you are referring to the PLS.

  229. November 29, 2014 9:38 pm

  230. November 29, 2014 9:40 pm

    “I’m assuming you are referring to the PLS.”

    No, actually referring to the founding people of this blog, and frankly you’re just an irritating trolling wind blow-in. #Butyoualreadyknewthat

  231. November 29, 2014 9:40 pm

  232. November 29, 2014 9:43 pm

    GOLD GOLD GOLD!!!

  233. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 29, 2014 9:45 pm

    …social media is the problem…

    aww, is he complaining that people aren’t doing what rupert tells them?

  234. November 29, 2014 9:46 pm

  235. November 29, 2014 9:59 pm

    Queensland you’re next

  236. November 29, 2014 10:08 pm

    Bill Shorten will be Daniel Andrews’s stoplight tonight.

  237. November 29, 2014 10:09 pm

  238. November 29, 2014 10:12 pm

    Bill Shorten’s addressing his “friends”.

  239. November 29, 2014 10:18 pm

    Bill Shorten’s addressing his “friends”.

    Awww. I guess you’ll just have to suck it ToSY up…. 🙂

  240. November 29, 2014 10:42 pm

    Aaaawww…

    It seems like all the torie supporters are missing in action tonight …..

    😯

  241. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2014 5:43 am

    I blame The Age for their outrageous (relative) balance. It just doesn’t seem fair that the media can neglect it’s duty to favour the coalition. I mean we had Murdoch shamelessly barracking for the Libs, he at least understood his duty.

    But what’s going on when the public elects a government that isn’t supported by Murdoch? What right does the electorate have to so called ‘free will’

    …It might be the ABC’s fault too.

  242. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2014 5:48 am

    Thanks Tom R. The surf is great fun, yesterday I went to a spot that has caused more fatalities than any other surf break in the world… and it’s not sharks! It’s broken necks!

    Luckily I survived.

  243. November 30, 2014 8:46 am

    we all agree that you are an absolute delusion imbecilic fucktard’
    The royal ‘we’, I’m assuming you are referring to the PLS.


    How about we ask the adjudicator… Our host, he stylish suit wearing purveyor of all trashy wisdom

    Reb in your much lauded and respected opinion; is Egg an absolute delusional imbecilic fucktard?

    Shall we have a poll? I can provide a graphic.. instead of a worm we could have an ever expanding vah gee gee… :rol:

  244. November 30, 2014 9:25 am

  245. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2014 9:28 am

  246. November 30, 2014 9:32 am

    “Reb in your much lauded and respected opinion; is Egg an absolute delusional imbecilic fucktard?”

    Let me think about that for a moment…

    YES!

  247. November 30, 2014 9:48 am

    One senior Liberal said “Joe Hockey went off his tits!”

    http://www.news.com.au/national/hockey-insists-7-gp-fee-lives-on/story-fncynjr2-1227139458580

    It makes you proud to be an Australian dunnit…

  248. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2014 10:04 am

    Let me think about that for a moment…

    YES!

    That really should have been

    “YES!

    Let me think about that for a moment…” 😉

    I see the nurses, ambos and firies are copping much of the blame for the libs defeat.

    You nasty activist AO you 😉

  249. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2014 10:06 am

    From your link reb

    The reason is that the Treasurer wants to keep the $3. 6 billion raised through the GP tax on the budget books ahead of the Mid Year Economic Fiscal Outlook, according to senior Liberals.

    If the government was to formally abandon the policy, the Treasurer would blowout the growing budget deficit by another $3.6 billion ahead of MYEFO which will be released before Christmas.

    I thought his dummy spit may have been because he tried to pull his chair up o the “adults” table, but regulations wouldn’t allow it.

    MYEFO could be an interesting document.

  250. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2014 10:16 am

    You nasty activist AO you 😉

    So many public servants who perform selfless, demanding work for others, a largely ungrateful public and even more unsupportive [financial and workloads] employer have had a gutful of being targeted for cuts. A gutful of being used and abused to the detriment of our own health, wellbeing and prosperity.

  251. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2014 10:31 am

    No one seems to be acknowledging the elephant in the room.
    this comment aligns with my thoughts:

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/abbotts-rudderless-ship-wont-scrape-by-20141128-11weip.html

    …You can fingerpoint as much as you want (unfairly so at Credlin, she is just a small part of the problem and a bunch of testosterone-charged men in her own party find her an easy scapegoat), but the reality is the Australian people are mighty uncomfortable with the hard-right path that both major parties are taking us down.
    Abbott, Hockey and co. can’t pass their loathesome policies, the previous government faced similar difficulties, no? No party surviving more than one election cycle, welcome to the future!
    If a political party pledged to:
    (i) Stop the unmitigated flood of 457’s and economic migrants through our major airports, but show compassion for humanitarian arrivals. Until Australians can flood other countries and displace their workers AND the govt infrastructure here meets our current needs (no more backlog), we desperately need sustainable, net zero migration
    (ii) Increase the tax take by chasing down the corporations and individuals that dodge, and cutting welfare for the rich. Arming the tax office with the resources to take them down
    (iii) Create jobs and real opportunities for the young, who are increasingly being left behind
    (iv) Reduce higher education costs for families, instead of increasing it
    (v) Stop attacking medicare and making it hard for the less well off, while at the same time just giving more money and making life easier for the wealthy – see point (ii).
    i.e. govern on behalf of the majority instead of the 1 %, they will rule for decades. The two major parties are too far gone to come back. Australia is crying out for an alternative – the greens are in the best position to rescue us.
    CommenterMary Johnson Location Date and time November 29, 2014, 8:55AM

  252. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2014 10:45 am

    expect the same in qld

  253. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2014 10:48 am

  254. November 30, 2014 10:54 am

    Victorians are Happy

  255. TB Queensland permalink
    November 30, 2014 10:56 am

    Mor’ Trubble a’ Mill!

    Cabinet ministers were also annoyed that decision to “dump’’ the GP tax had never been discussed in the leadership group or cabinet.

    But Mr Abbott’s supporters have hit back at the Treasurer accusing him of being lazy and “bellowing’’ over the GP mess. One senior Liberal claimed Mr Hockey “went off his t**s’’ about the Prime Minister’s office briefing journalists that the policy was to be dumped.

    In an extraordinary personal attack, one minister said Mr Hockey was a sook. Another senior Liberal said he was “erratic’’ because he’s either “full bottle or on holidays and there’s nothing in between.’’

    http://www.news.com.au/national/hockey-insists-7-gp-fee-lives-on/story-fncynjr2-1227139469931

    LOL! Shades of Kevin!

  256. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2014 11:04 am

  257. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2014 11:05 am

    nurses top the ‘most honest profession’ poll every year

  258. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2014 1:28 pm

    A figment of the Right’s imagination:There is no Left:
    http://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/russell-marks/2014/27/2014/1417038528/there-no-left?utm_content=bufferd9084&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=buffer

    …If a Left exists in Australia at all, now, it’s simply as a shorthand description of those who don’t agree with the prescriptions of the modern Right, which seems primarily interested in reversing many of the intellectual and democratic gains of recent decades and centuries and restoring and confining power and privilege to the few rather than the many. To be labelled “left-wing” by the modern Right is probably an endorsement that one’s ideas are sound.

    In the end, the Left exists largely in the Right’s own mind – as a straw man onto which to project its delusional and self-interested chatter…

    ROADS TO NOWHERE:
    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/december/1417352400/paul-cleary/roads-nowhere

    …Australia’s shift to the roads has locked us into a freight system that is inherently more costly, more carbon intensive and more dangerous. Figures published by the federal government’s Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics (BITRE) show that the cost of moving 1 tonne of freight by road over a distance of 1 kilometre (known as cost per tonne kilometre) is 7.5 cents for road, more than double the 3.5 cents for rail. The greenhouse-gas emissions for road are more than triple those for rail: 52 grams per tonne kilometre versus 15…

  259. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2014 1:37 pm

    And to round off my three free reads @ The monthly

    MUCH OBLIGED
    The poor face onerous rules while rich corporations avoid tax with impunity:
    http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/november/1414760400/richard-cooke/much-obliged

    …Centrelink now accesses more personal metadata than any other enforcement agency, more often even than the New South Wales Police Force. It’s a simple procedure: a Centrelink agent fills in a form, gets approval from elsewhere in their department, and is authorised to tap into personal phone records and email history. The subject is not informed…

    …Humiliating job-seekers is supposed to build their moral character, but even tepid criticism of business might lead to “uncertainty”. Tony Abbott gave his own formulation of this at the Rocklea Markets in Brisbane in 2012, arguing that “government … create[s] the sort of stability and certainty which is necessary for confidence and which, in turn, is necessary for prosperity to grow. Stability breeds confidence. Confidence breeds prosperity.” For individuals, on the other hand, the uncertainty that would come from a six-month period of unemployment with no income was a good thing. It’s this inversion that has allowed the concept of mutual obligation to encompass such glaring disparities…

  260. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2014 3:03 pm

    but the reality is the Australian people are mighty uncomfortable with the hard-right path that both major parties are taking us down.

    I get really sick of this throw away line.

    In the article you quoted from AO, it listed 5 points as examples of what a right wing Government would do. The libs are attempting all 5, whereas only the first point can be applied to Labor (and always could be, sad to say). It finishes of with this pearler “i.e. govern on behalf of the majority instead of the 1 %,”

    I thought what kind of blind fool would throw a line in like that, and ignore elephants such as GONSKI, PPL, Fair Work Act, ETS, and the many other initiatives that Labor implemented to broaden the tax base, but then I saw the author.

    So many writers these days do the same ‘pox on both houses’, but ignore the reality of what Labor achieved (as can be seen from everything the libs are attempting to unwind)

  261. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2014 4:11 pm

    Is Abbott going to have an inquiry into the media? It seems that the blame for the Liberal’s defeat can be squarely laid at the feet of Fairfax and the ABC.

  262. egg permalink
    November 30, 2014 4:27 pm

    The Right exists largely in the pseudo Left’s own mind – ‘as a straw man onto which to project its delusional and self-interested chatter…’

  263. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2014 4:39 pm

    Fine words grodo, coming from a delusional one

    Try to keep up yomm, it was AO that dun it!

  264. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    November 30, 2014 4:47 pm

    Yeah, it was ABC, Fairfax and nurses.

    SHAME ON ALL OF THEM!

  265. November 30, 2014 5:05 pm

    Let’s not forget the Unions role in this travesty of justice!

    That, and social media.

  266. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2014 5:37 pm

    Poor widle multi national media outlets getting ganged up on by Unions (BOO), Nurses and Twtis, stymieing their Dog given right to manipulate the masses into voting the way They want them to vote.

    Will the election of yabot be last time media moguls can wield that sort of influence?

  267. armchair opinionator permalink
    November 30, 2014 5:53 pm

    “…but the reality is the Australian people are mighty uncomfortable with the hard-right path that both major parties are taking us down…”

    “…I get really sick of this throw away line…”

    There’s a lot of people like me who are thoroughly disillusioned with both parties. I see labor as a soft version of the libs. Both parties try to stay as rigidly close to each others policies as possible. Labor has been just as zealous about neoliberal economics as the libs and have continually chosen self interest over doing the right thing, one example is the pokies legislation, another is buckling to the copyright industry with the removal of our privacy and freedoms under the excuse of security – labor is as bad as the libs on both.

    I wish the NBN and Gonski had got up, but now we’re stuck with the choke-worthy threat of privatised schooling and ABC dying of a thousand cuts to ensure the criminal murdoch’s predatory profits continue.

    Both parties vote as a bloc to reject any federal ICAC – how is that in the public interest? We need a new broom to sweep out the corruption in both of them.

    Labor badly needs party reform to enable more membership representation [as do the libs] and I can’t see that happening anytime soon.

    “i.e. govern on behalf of the majority instead of the 1 %,”

    Both parties are beholden to lobbyists and corporate donations, the general public are sidelined and ignored as they bend to the demands of big business
    Neither party are willing to tax the corporations as they should be taxed, both give away huge taxpayer funded subsidies and favours to business and ignore the wishes of the voters. I would have preferred that rudd dug in and implemented the MRRT, but then his own party rolled him and they caved in completely!

    I know that labor have also been guilty of allowing medicare to be privatised by stealth.

    No, I’m not happy about modern labor, I think they’ve forgotten the idea of a big society, they are just as power mad and born to rule as the libs.

  268. Tom R permalink
    November 30, 2014 8:07 pm

    There’s a lot of people like me who are thoroughly disillusioned with both parties.

    Fair enough, I would think any party that caters to an entire country will not suit everyone all the time

    I see labor as a soft version of the libs.

    Really? On treatment of asylum seekers, yes, but anything else??

    Labor has been just as zealous about neoliberal economics

    I don’t disagree with that, except in the manner in which they attempt to distribute the profits of those economics. Labor has, for many years now, been a fairly conservative economic manager. That doesn’t mean they aren’t left of center, just that they recognise that capitalist systems are the proven better model, just with a healthy dose of Government oversight.

    labor is as bad as the libs on both. I agree with the privacy aspect, but, they have long been like that, but the pokies, they at least started a path forward. Even that has now been rolled back.

    Labor badly needs party reform to enable more membership representation

    So they can be pulled in even more directions. But, there is nothing stopping anyone signing into Labor and becoming an MP. Our local has no Union ties, and from memory, rudd also wasn’t ‘beholden’. That worked out well, didn’t it? You want to get involved, you can. I do recognise that pre-selections are messy, but, even the Greens are finding that life in the real world isn’t what they imagined. ALL parties have the problem. Having more random people with less real involvement in the party, imo, is just asking for fragmentation. Not a desirable outcome in a political party

    Both parties are beholden to lobbyists and corporate donations

    ALL parties are beholden to the same, it is what power does. It is how they react to those influences and, what drives those influences in the first place. With Labor being ‘beholden’ to the Unions, whose core driving force is looking after the worker, then that is an influence I am happier with than when compared to miners or gas companies.

    I think they’ve forgotten the idea of a big society

    I think policies such as the NDIS, Gonski and Medicare indicate otherwise. I think that they are just up against such a wall of opposition that making real reform in those areas is painstakingly slow

    born to rule as the libs.

    rudd and some others maybe, but not many others that I have noted. And, again, rudd isn’t a prodigy of the Unions. Love them or hate them, at least they (largely) put through people that are there with the aim to help workers first.

  269. November 30, 2014 10:25 pm
  270. November 30, 2014 10:55 pm

    ””””this push for ‘balance’ came on once the board was stacked with ideological””#cranks

    ””””they apply that ‘balance’ to scientific matters, it actually removes all semblance of actually looking into a topic in an unbiased manner, It forces bias into a subject where quite often none, or little, actually exists. In effect, it distorts the issue,””””

    ””””wrong with the ABC in it’s current form, and, the sooner they remove the right wing ideologues from it, the better.””””

    #couldn`t agree more TomR, the shills and cranks add zero to informing viewers, which is what my abc `should` be doing, allowing the shills and cranks to run interference under the fake`balance` banner, only detracts from informing the viewers, and bores them shit-less.

    #the silver-lining is the cranks have managed to push for budget-cuts at my abc, cuts which are blowing-up in their own face, as my abc was much less able to cover certain electorates in recent #vicvotes election. lt seems the Teabags were run-over by a speeding luvvy-truck in victoria, last l heard, it was to canberra.

  271. November 30, 2014 10:58 pm

    last l heard, it was HEADing to canberra.

  272. November 30, 2014 11:18 pm

    ””””libertarian senator David Leyonhjelm – who receives funding from big tobacco – also held a press conference calling for a crackdown on illegal tobacco sales, which tobacco companies claim have risen since the introduction of plain packaging.(#more-tax)

    A co-ordinated assault just ahead of the review of plain packaging laws is emerging, with the Australian Retailers Association on Wednesday also labelling the laws a “waste of retailer’s time and resources”.

    Executive director Russell Zimmerman cited a KPMG report which showed that illegal tobacco accounted for 14.3 per cent of all tobacco use, up from 13.5 per cent on the previous year.

    Mr Zimmerman said the ARA was concerned illegal tobacco products were “swamping the market” and costing the government $1.2 billion in tobacco excise.

    The tobacco giants may be getting nervous, as raw sales data obtained from Australia’s supermarkets indicates smoking rates have fallen over the past year, even though revenues are up due to higher taxes.

    IRI-Aztec data, which tracks actual sales at Coles, Woolworths, IGA and Foodworks, reveals the number of cigarettes sold at supermarkets fell 2.9 per cent last financial year, suggesting that plain packaging(#1%) and higher taxes(#99%) are working to reduce smoking rates.

    The supermarkets covered by the IRI-Aztec report account for more than 65 per cent of Australia’s $13.5 billion cigarette and tobacco market.
    http://m.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/big-tobacco-distributes-report-bullying-plain-packaging-laws-20141127-11v7ov.html
    ”””””””””””””””””””’

    #as nanny roxon was starting a `war` with the big-baccy teabags, l still reckon she should of `outlawed` the worst carcinagens/chemicals, and give`em something to `really` moan about, the independent institute of `strolling` is still reporting 5or6 `colorful` packs a day/walk

  273. November 30, 2014 11:39 pm

    ””””Prediction – Victorians will start the landslide back into centrist sanity and reject the social engineering of the lunar right walter mitty brigade of lying fascist tory dog bothering filth.””””

    # l hope l`m wrong ricky, but l don`t think it will happen. When they showed #vicvotes estimated results, there was a shit-load of yellow(#Nats) across the map of vic l saw. The teabumpkins are a special class of stupid, many teabumpkins are using `green` bio-sciences in their ag-biz and land-care, bleat about local jobs in a `labor` style, but the teabumpkins keep voting for the junior partner, glue-on Nats, that then let the Libz frac the shit out of their area. #special-stupid

  274. December 1, 2014 12:06 am

    ”””armchair opinionator November 30, 2014 5:53 pm”””’

    yeah armchair, many of us are sick to death of both bunch of teabags, the silver-lining, l suppose is, post #vicvotes `analysis` is 1-under-35`s tend to default to the greens, and 2-australiansvictorians are prepared to chuck a `first-term` govt 🙂

  275. egg permalink
    December 1, 2014 7:41 am

    ‘There’s a lot of people like me who are thoroughly disillusioned with both parties. I see labor as a soft version of the libs.’

    That is correct, centre right and centre left is what democracy throws up. Personally, being fairly close to the bottom of the heap, I want a revolution and I want it now, but the majority rules.

    Probably the only hope we have is for China to take over the world, abolish federal governments, while strengthening the States and Councils.

  276. December 1, 2014 7:51 am

    Egg that ridiculous comment is why we hate you …seek help you are mentally ill

  277. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 8:11 am

    suggesting that plain packaging(#1%) and higher taxes(#99%) are working to reduce smoking rates.

    Does your “independent institute of `wankin`” have any articles proving these percentages you threw into the quoted section, or are you having trouble sourcing crayons of the correct ‘color: Olive ‘ to suit your countin”?

  278. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 8:23 am

    And Victorian Labor spent the past four years recruiting and training thousands of volunteers – not just party members – in the art and science of campaigning.
    ………
    Not surprisingly, people will believe a nurse over a politician when it comes to a debate about health. Ditto for a teacher on education, a paramedic on emergency services, or a neighbour on a local issue. Trades Hall’s research suggests this approach delivered a 73 per cent conversion rate for undecided voters.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/victorian-state-election-how-labor-and-the-unions-blew-up-the-coalition-20141130-11×325.html

    Those pesky nurses AO 😉

    It is for this reason that still believe that Labor’s attachment to hte Unions (boo) is still their strength. There is still room for people not affiliated with Unions to work their way up that party, but their real strength comes from their Union base. imo

    It is managing that base, and that bases already warring elements, that Labor should concentrate on. If the core message is fairness for all, which I still consider to be their maxim, then others will flow in also, as seems to have been the case in Victoria according to (this very biased) article.

  279. egg permalink
    December 1, 2014 8:29 am

    ‘Egg that ridiculous comment is why we hate you …’

    Fuck Ricky and the PLS.

  280. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 8:38 am

    Hates a strong word Ricky

    Probably suitable in this context though 😉

  281. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 8:39 am

  282. December 1, 2014 9:02 am

    Teabag why do you keep harping on about reports funded by big tobacco? Do you work for big baccy? sounds like it …Plain packaging is working and it is effecting catel profits… You will never stop drug addicts getting their smack…they are hooked.

    All stops should be pulled to get people off this drug… Plain packaging is and always has been about deglamourising tobacco…Who cares about the people hooked now….its their bad choice…if they cant afford it give up..problem solved.

    ‘Hate’ is a strong word? We still have despise and loath….

  283. December 1, 2014 9:05 am

    ‘Fuck Ricky’ you wish bitch… 😉
    I dont fuck slags sweetheart… buy some batteries if you want some action…

  284. egg permalink
    December 1, 2014 9:13 am

    Misogynist

  285. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 9:14 am

    We still have despise and loath….

    🙂

    For now, I’ll stick with ridicule

    It really doesn’t deserve much more.

    I dont fuck slags sweetheart… buy some batteries if you want some action…

    ROFL. Anyone else, that would be uncalled for. But grodo has thoroughly earned anything that cums its way. imo

  286. December 1, 2014 9:29 am

    ”””Teabag why do you keep harping on about reports funded by big tobacco?”””

    Scroll-up and check ya facts ricky, TomR raised the topic, ””Do you work for big baccy?”TomR.?
    ___________________

    #1% is my guess tomR, maybe #1%.? would be better for simple folk such as ya`self, as l`ve said previously, l`m not buying the horse-shit un/employment or `quit` numbers from the aust burro of surveys, they`re crap.

  287. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 1, 2014 9:30 am

    “…That is correct, centre right and centre left is what democracy throws up…”

    We have an undemocratic far right and centre right with current lab lib.

  288. egg permalink
    December 1, 2014 9:36 am

    ‘We have an undemocratic far right and centre right with current lab lib.’

    There is no far right, anymore than there is far left in our democracy.

  289. egg permalink
    December 1, 2014 9:42 am

    ‘Anyone else, that would be uncalled for.’

    Apparently I’m quite mad and have gender identity problems, a perfect target for the PLS.

  290. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 9:57 am

    Scroll-up and check ya facts ricky, TomR raised the topic

    Perhaps Ricky should have been more specific, and said something along the lines of ”Teabag why do you keep supporting reports funded by big tobacco?”

    I mean, their numbers are just as reliable as your wankin’/countin’

    and make just about as much sense.

    Besides, who cares about percentages attributed to each policy in the reduction of baccy use. As long as it is going down, the suite of policies is working.

    And like I said, to me, the biggest factor in supporting the fact that Roxon’s measures were the right path is the baccy companies (and their paid shrills and other innumerate barrackers) clamouring about them.

    “The lady doth protest too much” springs to mind 😉

  291. December 1, 2014 11:41 am

    Bill Shorten this morn: “I thought denial was a river in Egypt; it’s actually the attitude of the Abbott government.” #Zinger

  292. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 1, 2014 12:15 pm

    Denial doesn’t even rate among the problems the Libs now have – stupidity, incompetence, corruption, pandering to sectional interests and not having a fucking clue define this misbegotten government.

  293. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 12:54 pm

    define this misbegotten government.

    The thing that will fully define them, should Labor play it correctly, is economic incompetence.

    Which will be a death note, IF it can be played. I see the oz is out this morning blaming it all on ore prices, but the reality is (as it was under Labor) far more complex than that.

    His firm was predicting a $35 billion deficit blowout over the next four years compared to Treasury’s May figures: -$27 billion in 2015-16, -$21.5 billion in 2016-17 and -$12.4 billion in 2017-18.

    He now says it will be closer to $47 billion and thinks the “the budget is burning” through a combination of falling commodity prices, lower tax receipts, slow wage growth and political deadlock over savings measures

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-01/deloitte-access-economics-warns-the-budget-is-burning/5929216

  294. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2014 12:59 pm

    Denial doesn’t even rate among the problems the Libs now have

    Ain’t life funny – if the ALP hadn’t continually confronted its leadership issue ad nauseam they would probably have won the last election …

    If the current LNP government don’t confront their leadership issue … then they won’t win the next election …

    Oh, the irony!

  295. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 1:05 pm

    if the ALP hadn’t continually confronted its leadership issue ad nauseam they would probably have won the last election …

    So true 😦

    If the current LNP government don’t confront their leadership issue … then they won’t win the next election …

    Their problem runs deeper I think TB. If they changed leaders, but stuck to the same path, then they are similarly doomed.

    It is not so much yabot himself, but the blatant unfairness in pretty much everything they have done that is their poison

  296. egg permalink
    December 1, 2014 3:14 pm

    ‘If they changed leaders, but stuck to the same path, then they are similarly doomed.’

    If Malcolm took the reins he would keep a close eye on the polls and recant where necessary. A Labor Lite leader would have the task in front of him to convince the Nats and the electorate that he is capable, but I can’t see anyone else who could pull it off.

  297. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2014 3:15 pm

    It is not so much yabot himself, but the blatant unfairness in pretty much everything they have done that is their poison

    I know you know I know that, TR … but The Abbott & The Acolytes don’t … and as The Abbott keeps saying the “buck stop here” – how original – well if it does stop with The Abbott its time for a new Abbott as long as its not one of his Bishops … both as cold-hearted and lacking empathy as he is …

    In fact I would be hard pressed to nominate ANY Australian politician to be PM of Australia right now!

    If The Abbott thinks the peasants don’t get it … he’s headed for a landslide at the next election … but not in favour of his Monastery …

    The Abbott & The Acolytes have been living at too high an altitude for too long … Father Hockey has never had dirty hands … just a silver spoon stuck up his arse and, along with all the piety of the rest of the Canberra Monastery, what goes on is pure sham – a smoke and incense screen …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbott-ends-parliamentary-year-with-long-intermittently-intriguing-press-conference/story-fncynjr2-1227140723591

  298. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 1, 2014 4:05 pm

    I note there’s been a little discussion about the structure of the ALP, and that’s an interesting topic, in my opinion.

    The ALP is substantially run by standover merchants and seedy, power hungry types who use largesse and patronage as currency. Regardless of whether they chance upon decent policies from time to time is irrelevant because there’s a putrid odour about the party. Decent people don’t associate with rancid organisations.

    I’m sure Al Capone did some nice things occasionally too.

  299. December 1, 2014 4:31 pm

    ”””Besides, who cares about percentages attributed to each policy”””
    #thats fine for mindless team-cheerers such as ya`self, but you raised the topic and failed to show evidence of `why` the `kpmg-report` is wrong/fake

    .

    ”””in the reduction of baccy use. As long as it is going down, the suite of policies is working.”””’

    #and you just assume, or accept unquestioningly dodgey aust burro survey `baccy-sales` data, which includes; NO black-product data, NO `quit` data,

    # l suppose you just `accept` the un/employment numbers just as mindlessly as kneel does TomR

  300. December 1, 2014 4:36 pm

    ””””’The ALP(#and Libs) is substantially run by standover merchants and seedy, power hungry types who use largesse and patronage as currency. Regardless of whether they chance upon decent policies from time to time is irrelevant because there’s a putrid odour about the party. Decent people don’t associate with rancid organisations.””””

    #lts called the `Teabag Model`, and we`re stuck with both teams running it.

  301. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2014 4:57 pm

    I’m sure Al Capone did some nice things occasionally too.

    That convinces me ToM … from now on my vote will certainly go to The Canberra Monastery in support of all their good works …

    I feel as if a weight has lifted off my wings shoulders …

  302. December 1, 2014 5:56 pm

    ROFL. Anyone else, that would be uncalled for. But grodo has thoroughly earned anything that cums its way. imo

    Mate I just get sick of this shit… she is a fucking bore.. :roll:.

    Misogynist

    Fuck off attention whore

    ‘We have an undemocratic far right and centre right with current lab lib.’
    There is no far right, anymore than there is far left in our democracy.

    Look at the intent behind that post… The purpose of that utterly ridiculous comment , with no substantiated explanation whatever is to antagonise people and derail this thread…

    I’m three steps ahead of this cut and paste intellectual pygmy who pretends to be all these constructs in the desperate pursuit of attention…
    Oh I was of the left..
    I’m a maost
    I’m a trot
    I’m pro china..
    Infrastructure knobery
    NT Nirvana
    Bullet trains
    I was an inner city art hipster. but now i’m an Abbott supporter ( gee that’s believable)
    I’m an artist…

    Yep a fully fledged bullshit artist that hides behind a avatar because she is ashamed of her own insignificant boring life…

    Above all i’m a climate change denier.. I suspect that this is this trolls favourite weapon as it provokes the most controversy (the purpose of trolling) It has become such a problem that our host has had to ban her on occasion and give her a sandpit to play in… Not content with that tactic wearing out. after being .. she employs other tactics as it is not working…
    Its quite pathetic really…

    If it was witty it would be tolerable.. but its just inane and tediously predictably boring

    Don’t see ant of Eggs articles anywhere….
    I don’t see and points made in debate… just cut and paste disambiguated derail stupidity..
    Don’t see a blog…any essays’s….Typical expert on nothing…. but cutting and pasting other peoples thoughts to support this gutless..on-line personnel of a tedious individual….

    This fuckwit has no firm conviction other than to be derailing web bully.. and take a intellectual beating… as some form of masochistic self deprivation for her own enjoyment…

    “oh look how many people I pissed off today..I am so I clever” 🙄

    But far be it from me to derail this tread…..

    Maybe Egg should write an essay on her convictions and display all this expertise..I would love to debate such matters, especially considering my expertise in the psychology of media language in social networking…..
    SCROLL YAWN….. Next

  303. December 1, 2014 6:10 pm

    Look at the intent behind that post… The purpose of that utterly ridiculous comment , with no substantiated explanation whatever is to antagonise people and derail this thread…

    Yep.

    I don’t see and points made in debate… just cut and paste disambiguated derail stupidity..Don’t see a blog…any essays’s….Typical expert on nothing…. but cutting and pasting other peoples thoughts to support this gutless..on-line personnel of a tedious individual….

    Yep.
    “oh look how many people I pissed off today..I am so I clever”

    Yep.

    That pretty much sums egg’s modus Ricky…

    Egg thinks she’s being clever and “entertaining” with stupid remarks that are purely designed to goad ppl into reacting which is basically just all that an attention seeking troll does, and that’s basically all she is..

  304. December 1, 2014 6:12 pm

    Bill Shorten this morn: “I thought denial was a river in Egypt; it’s actually the attitude of the Abbott government.” #Zinger

    Whammy…

    Denial doesn’t even rate among the problems the Libs now have – stupidity, incompetence, corruption, pandering to sectional interests and not having a fucking clue define this misbegotten government.

    Spot on Splatter… I thinks Andrew Robs interview on the insiders summed up all the is wrong…
    They are..

    Incapable of governing for all Australians
    Heavily steeped ideology without consequence of social impact
    Devoid of empathy
    Socially disconnected
    Beholden to Lobbyists
    Without clear Direction
    Without clear message
    Making it up as they go along
    All the things that they said they would no be
    Untrustworthy
    Deceitful
    Corrupt
    Vindictive
    Un consultative
    Incompetent
    Out of their depth
    Poor Orators and communicators
    Dreadfully amateurish at foreign policy
    Not believable
    Socially divisive
    Unfair
    Lofty and vague in policy direction
    Combatant
    Arrogant

    Now this is all by their own actions in the first year… Rob was so blinkered and in denial , it was like watching a train wreck.

  305. egg permalink
    December 1, 2014 6:22 pm

    ‘Maybe Egg should write an essay on her convictions and display all this expertise..I would love to debate such matters…’

    I thank the member for Muddywaters for his penertrating question.

    I supported Labor’s left faction until it was taken over by the PLS.

    The Great Leap Forward was a political blunder and millions starved, massive fail.

    I’m not a Trot or Sinophile.

    On infrastructure a new report suggests the VFT line will only cost $35 million a kilometre to build, almost half the cost of the original estimation.

    I’m an art student.

  306. December 1, 2014 6:31 pm

    Yes Tom we are on the same page….

    I’m sorry that these poor baccy smack addicts have to pay more for their hit and cant pretend they are on a tropical island, in a snow cover fjord with a Nordic princess or pretending to ride the ranges of the badlands… fact is they aint… so deal with it… Look at the filthy images of tobacco reality and suck it up..or in…

    Lets not delude ourselves.. anything done now to prevent future generations becoming addicts of the overloads is good for all concerned and as such..Roxon’s legacy is one that will go down in world history as a big big historic win

    Totally agree..if big backy hate it… its working… now lets beef up customs and kill all that corruption and illegal imports og all the crook stuff gettin through too across the board….

  307. December 1, 2014 6:32 pm

    ””””The purpose of that utterly ridiculous comment , with no substantiated explanation whatever is to antagonise people and derail this thread”””#agree

    #l do notice however, a certain un-named photoshopper tends to `feed` dumpty (and kneel) much more than anybody else, suggestion, less `feeding` may reduce one`s irritation level.

  308. December 1, 2014 6:39 pm

    As I suspected Egg has absolutely nothing but bullshit and stands for nothing…
    I suspect you voted for Abbott which makes you pretty fucking stupid and politically ignorant….

    You know I was a art student once.. I earned a full scholarship to the collage of fine arts in Sydney UNSW and graduated my masters with a Distinction after a HD in my masters in MAP at UTS….

    Where are you studying? Florence? Prague?

  309. December 1, 2014 6:48 pm

    “”Where are you studying? Florence? Prague?””

    LOL…

    That’s GOLD!

  310. December 1, 2014 6:58 pm

    #l do notice however, a certain un-named photoshopper tends to `feed` dumpty (and kneel) much more than anybody else, suggestion, less `feeding` may reduce one`s irritation level.

    This is coming from a thing of non disclosed gender that hides behind a name that changes daily… oh fuck pass me a shovel the irony pile is high on the ass end of the high horse today.

    Anyone that makes an argument that quotes anything from the IPA should expect the reaming they deserve..

    So was that Philip Morris or BAT you sing for?. cmon Chop Chop..

    Australia, with the enactment of the Tobacco Plain Packaging Act in 2011,[4] became the first country in the world to require tobacco products to be sold in plain packaging.

    Minister Roxon introduced the plain packaging bill to Parliament on 6 July 2011,[53] and it passed through the Lower House on 24 August 2011.[70] The legislation passed the Upper House on 10 November 2011 with the amended start date of 1 December 2012.[27] Due to the changed start date the legislation returned to the Lower House before being given royal assent.[71] Legislation finally passed on 21 November 2011.[5]

    Sorry I forgot… there’s yours…..

  311. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 1, 2014 6:59 pm

    The thing that will fully define them, should Labor play it correctly, is economic incompetence.

    aye, true enough

    Everywhere Tony Abbott turns, there’s a barrier he placed there himself:
    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/01/everywhere-tony-abbott-turns-theres-a-barrier-he-placed-there-himself

    …The budget situation is deteriorating – largely because of the hit on revenue due to declining commodity prices. The government appears to have accepted advice by organisations such as the OECD not to respond with bigger spending cuts because the economy is already struggling with the end of the resources investment boom.

    Except the Coalition has spent years telling us the previously forecast deficit and debt levels were a disaster and an emergency, which surely means – by its own reasoning – that bigger deficits are an even bigger disaster.

    No, the prime minister says, because the budget emergency started to abate the instant a government came in and showed that it was determined to address it. “If you have a fire, the moment the fire brigade turns up, the situation starts to come under control.”

    Most people would argue fire brigades work better if they actually use their hoses…

  312. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2014 6:59 pm

    I supported Labor’s left faction until it was taken over by the PLS.

    WTF is PLS?

  313. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2014 7:01 pm

    Most people would argue fire brigades work better if they actually use their hoses…

    Or the garden hoses of people who can least afford to pay for the water!

  314. December 1, 2014 7:05 pm

    LOL…
    That’s GOLD!

    I believe that’s umber 5 ::-)

  315. December 1, 2014 7:07 pm

    “aye, true enough”

    Did you say that with a Scottish accent?

    I certainly read it with one!

    Although my version would probably be…

    Aye, right ye are..

  316. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2014 7:19 pm

    Aye, right ye are..

    Surely “Och, aye, ryte ya arrrrr” Jummy?

  317. December 1, 2014 7:27 pm

    ””””in the end “substance trumps atmospherics”. But his reset was all about the atmospherics, because on most of the substance, he seems to be snookered.”””’

    # l saw mr-rabbits `speech` earlier armchair, like him, it was of little value and rather meaningless, pretty-much a dog whistle to the cranks and teabag-media.

  318. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 1, 2014 7:28 pm

    “I’ve seen the disaster that this Government has created for itself by saying one thing and doing another… and… John, I don’t want to be like that. I really don’t. And if we do win the election and we immediately say, “oh,we got it all wrong, we’ve now got do to all these different things” we will instantly be just as bad as the current Government has been.”
    – T. Abbott, 2013

  319. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2014 7:30 pm

    LOL! @ KL!

  320. December 1, 2014 7:31 pm

    aaaaaaaahhhhh fcuk, reportland is now going to regurgitate mr-rabbits waffle

  321. December 1, 2014 7:45 pm

    Some of the stuff said about egg goes way too far. Opinions are just that. Why all the bile and hatred?

    I don’t get it.

  322. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 7:48 pm

    Regardless of whether they chance upon decent policies from time to time is irrelevant because there’s a putrid odour about the party.

    Tell it the Victorians. Ya “BOO!” tactics didn’t go down too well there did they

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

    #thats fine for mindless team-cheerers such as ya`self, but you raised the topic and failed to show evidence of `why` the `kpmg-report` is wrong/fake

    The biggest cheerleader of all happily forgets (purposely?) the Kouks demolishing of that report back when the oz last floated it.

    How unsurfuckingprising

    Ignorance is bliss, or is it blind stupidity? Or simply an addicts clouded withdrawals from coloured packeted killers?

    which is basically just all that an attention seeking troll does, and that’s basically all she is..

    That’s a little harsh reb. trolls have far more to offer than grodo could ever hope to achieve.

  323. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 1, 2014 7:50 pm

    # l saw mr-rabbits `speech` earlier armchair, like him, it was of little value and rather meaningless, pretty-much a dog whistle to the cranks and teabag-media.

    Did you catch the moment when he admitted ‘the lie’ [without actually admitting it] and like me, notice how he started stuttering and did a mini version of the nodding head, silence that was the mark riley interview. Such arrogance!

    He is one of those aggressive, take no prisoner types who really has a problem with admitting any mistake of his own and has no idea of humility. All we see is a faked performance, him trying to trick everyone into thinking he’s genuine. The fire and brimstone preacher who can’t admit he has feet of clay and still cannot own his sins. Everything is good while he’s winning, but he’s an extremely bad loser

  324. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 7:51 pm

    Why all the bile and hatred?

    reb summed it up well above tosy

    Egg thinks she’s being clever and “entertaining” with stupid remarks that are purely designed to goad ppl into reacting which is basically just all that an attention seeking troll does, and that’s basically all she is..

    Have a read through the old AGW thread, or many other random ones, and the amount of times egg refuses to engage, after starting debates with rancid statements, is the stuff of legends.

    I can understand some people sometimes not wanting to enter debates, but grodo has made a habit of it, and that is after instigating it with rubbish statements.

  325. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 7:53 pm

    Such arrogance!

    Yea, it brought back memories 😉

  326. TB Queensland permalink
    December 1, 2014 7:54 pm

    Without Prejudice

    Some of the stuff said about egg goes way too far. Opinions are just that. Why all the bile and hatred?

    I don’t get it.

    Because they are cut and paste opinions … you may recall we often ask you for YOUR opinion …

    Maybe that’s why you “don’t get it” …

    And egg is often OT – deliberately …

    Just sayin’ …

  327. December 1, 2014 7:57 pm

    “Have a read through the old AGW thread, or many other random ones, and the amount of times egg refuses to engage, after starting debates with rancid statements, is the stuff of legends.”

    I don’t see spite in egg’s words. The same can’t be said for his (gang of) opponents.

  328. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 8:04 pm

    I don’t see spite in egg’s words

    I didn’t say there was ‘spite’, but it makes so many unfounded allegations and unfounded accusations, and then runs like a whimpering fool when confronted on them.

    The first 100, 200 or so times is bearable, but …… well, you get the drift.

    As I said, they are harsh comments against it, but eminently justified.

  329. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 1, 2014 8:06 pm

    Funny how ‘circumstances are different’ was not allowed to be an excuse for gillard when she actually had a hung parliament to deal with. Abbott lied and offers up ‘circumstances are different’ as an excuse – does he think we’ll just accept whatever BS he offers?

  330. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 8:20 pm

    does he think we’ll just accept whatever BS he offers?

    It must be a catlik thing.

    How many times has he begged forgiveness for past atrocities, promising to be a reborn person the next day

    .
    .
    .

    And how many times are we (the collective) going to fall for it?

  331. December 1, 2014 8:34 pm

    Notice how egg simply disappears after she has successfully derailed the thread and made herself once again the topic of conversation?

    It’s a consistent and frequent pattern of behaviour and if you can’t see it ToSY I can’t help you.

  332. December 1, 2014 8:49 pm

    “It’s a consistent and frequent pattern of behaviour and if you can’t see it ToSY I can’t help you.”

    None of which justifies the putrid attacks.

  333. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 8:55 pm

    None of which justifies the putrid attacks.

    Hint tosy

    The first 100, 200 or so times is bearable, but …… well, you get the drift.

    How many sites has the little twerp been banned from?

    It’s even been banned from denialist sites, too stupid even for them

    If it doesn’t want to be treated like shit, don’t fucken act like a little shit, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ………………..

    you get the drift 😉

  334. December 1, 2014 9:05 pm

    “Hint tosy … you get the drift”

    Hint, Tom R.

    I, for one, don’t find’s egg’s words-on-a-page, or pixels-on-a-screen, so deserving of the disgusting retaliation you condone.

    Therefore, your opinion is not unanimous.

  335. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 9:13 pm

    Therefore, your opinion is not unanimous.

    ROFL, who’d have thunk it 😆

    I never said it was unanimous, I was simply pointing out why, in this case, I couldn’t give a flying fuck what people say about grodo.

    I have seen so many people try and engage, and just end up leaving this (or other) blogging spaces in absolute disgust and dejection at the willful way that grodo provokes, then runs, then provokes, then runs, and all along, relies on the goodwill of other bloggers to allow it to continue in this fashion.

    Personally, it is great to see others calling it what it is, a useless, gutless troll.

    I’ve personally reached the point where I just don’t engage it in any meaningful manner, I just abuse it, sometimes jokingly, sometimes with passion, but I have been down the garden path too often and wasted too much time on the ridiculous little twerp to have any other opinion about it.

    Many others have simply been driven away. And that is the saddest part.

    I don’t know if it is a testament to reb that he allows it to stay or not. Needless to say, he has far more patience with it than I would, and many others have

  336. December 1, 2014 9:15 pm

    By the way, Mr Shorten thinks denial the Nile Is a river in Egypt. In fact, it’s a river in several African countries.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile

  337. December 1, 2014 9:20 pm

    “Many others have simply been driven away.”

    Guffaw, The lady doth protest too much.

  338. Tom R permalink
    December 1, 2014 9:24 pm

    denial the Nile Is a river in Egypt. In fact, it’s a river in several African countries.

    So, therefore, it is a river in Egypt, is it not?

    The lady doth protest too much.

    Weren’t you the one protesting about how poor widdle grodo is getting abused? 😉

    Do you deny that posters have been fed up with grodo, and then left? I know of a few from this site, and some from the Cafe also.

  339. December 1, 2014 9:50 pm

    “Do you deny that posters have been fed up with grodo, and then left? I know of a few from this site, and some from the Cafe also.

    I wouldn’t know. But if they did, they were pretty piss-weak, weren’t they?

  340. December 1, 2014 9:54 pm

    “””they were pretty piss-weak, weren’t they?””

    No maybe they were just bored shitless with egg’s repetitive attention seeking behaviour.

    It’s the final straw for me. Egg’s not coming back to this blog. She can fuck off somewhere else and become someone else’s problem child.

  341. December 1, 2014 9:59 pm

    ”””Did you catch the moment when he admitted ‘the lie’ [without actually admitting it]”””

    #yes, mr-rabbits non-admission side-stepping antics to cuts to my abc and sbs weren`t exactly what l would call an `enlightened` answer of understanding, to me it sounded like he was only interested in pacifying the idiot-media in front of him, (feeding the chooks)

  342. December 1, 2014 10:22 pm

    ”””””circumstances are different’ was not allowed to be an excuse for gillard when she actually had a hung parliament to deal with. Abbott lied and offers up ‘circumstances are different’ as an excuse””””

    ”””does he think we’ll just accept whatever BS he offers?”””

    #mr-rabbit `knows` teabag-media will accept it mindlessly tho,

    while it shits some of us to death armchair, the timid, gullible, team-cheering canberra press-pack keeps moving toward irrelevance when they refuse to treat mr-rabbit as `toughly` as they treated Joolya, ON EXACTLY THE SAME ISSUE, of LIES. When they crucified joolya so often on lies (joo-Liar) the canberra press remain irrelevant as any form of `news-source` each time they let mr-rabbit get a `free-walk` on his lies. l suppose while teabag-media are happy flush what little credibility they have down the crapper, there is little hope of voters being informed next election either.

  343. December 1, 2014 10:40 pm

    As you know armchair, l was never the great `fan` of joolya, and l also try to resist yelling `bigot`, `racist` or misogynist which tend to get bantered around too much. Mr-rabbit has now been `in` for a year now, and l think this last year shows just how misogynistic teabag-media really is, and l include the women in the canberra press-pack too, who should have been shrieking like frightbats at each and every lie mr-rabbit told and broke. Unfortunately the public won`t be getting that from laura tingle or cathy mcgowen.

  344. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 1, 2014 10:58 pm

    “aye, true enough”
    Did you say that with a Scottish accent?
    I certainly read it with one!

    I did, I read all of your comments with a scottish accent 🙂

  345. December 2, 2014 12:08 am

    It’s the final straw for me. Egg’s not coming back to this blog. She can fuck off somewhere else and become someone else’s problem child.

    It takes a lot tp piss me off and most things are said with tongue planted firmly in cheek… This place is a sarcasm circus and that’s what I like about it…What I don’t like consistent intentional derailing of thread’s to piss people off… which is what El Gordo does and has been doing for ages.with alias’s in multiple blogs. I suggest she has a few avatars and is a serial offender…
    At least Squeal does not pretend to be something he is not (well except for intelligent and measured)

    So Tony if you think I am being hard.. well so be it… but in my extensive experience with trolls is to let them know you know what they are up to. The results (her expulsion) speaks for itself. I have watched her grooming you as an ally in the Art thread….she is a fuckwit kicked out of multiple blogs for the same thing….

    Like Abbott (I knew of Abbott at Sydney Uni) she has got form and lives by the consequence of actions after multiple warnings and faux redemptions… Like Abbott she is a habitual and non relenting nut case.

    Teabag always trys to prosecute an argument… even if I disagree, there is an attempt to address the issue with a fact or example….this is the polar opposite of Elgordo

    There is lots of common ground in this blog and like Abbott Elgordo gets off on dividing and derailing and sabotaging the blogashere.

    PS AO you are on fire.. 🙂

  346. December 2, 2014 12:13 am

  347. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2014 5:49 am

    I don’t really understand the reaction to El Gordon, I suppose that’s because I don’t read his/her comments. This ensures I don’t get bothered by them. I do have a high regard for several of the contributors that (s)he seems to have annoyed though.

    I’d also point put though, unlike Teabagz, who is also a recent blow in, El Gordon doesn’t appear to deliberately use inflammatory language and personal insults.

    Personally, I’m not in favour of banning anyone.

  348. December 2, 2014 7:30 am

    “”Personally, I’m not in favour of banning anyone.””

    I appreciate that, and that has been my position in the past too.

    However, it becomes incredibly frustrating for me when I’m taking a fair amount of time to write posts for discussion here only to have egg derail threads with some totally off topic remark – usually about how global temperatures are cooling, when it has nothing to do with the topic I’ve just written about.

    It might seem unreasonable to ban someone for this sort of thing, but despite repeated requests not to do so, egg persists with this behaviour and then quietly withdraws from the conversation once she has successfully turned the topic into a topic about herself and whether or not she should be banned.

    Given that it takes not an unsubstantial amount of time to write topics for this place on a weekly basis, I just feel that sometimes it’s a complete waste of my time purely because of egg’s conduct.

    Personally I think I’ve been overly generous in accommodating egg, even setting up a back room for her to play in as well as countless requests to discuss the topic at hand and to refrain from derailing threads with climate denials BS. But still she persists.

    For those who feel that egg that has been unfairly treated, you’re completely at liberty to set up your own blog to provide a playground for her if you feel strongly about it.

  349. December 2, 2014 7:32 am

    “”I read all of your comments with a scottish accent “”

    🙂

  350. Walrus permalink
    December 2, 2014 9:08 am

    “”Misogynist “” ——– Julia Gillard to Tony Abbott in the House of Reps

    “”Fuck off attention whore””———————-Tony Abbott replies across the table

    Could you imagine the reaction if Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott had an exchange like that ?

    Seems to me some here on the Left just fail to measure up to the most basic standards they demand from Tony Abbott

  351. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2014 9:20 am

    If I had the skills I would set up my own blog. I am very grateful for this one. Egg didn’t get under my skin that much, but it is always the blogmaster’s call. He puts in the time and effort. In this case he is exceedingly tolerant which makes this such an interesting place.

  352. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2014 9:22 am

    Seems to me some here on the Left just fail to measure up to the most basic standards they demand from Tony Abbott

    That is essentially what yabot and his media spruikers said, just in more polite terms.

    The message was the same.

  353. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 2, 2014 9:26 am

    “Funny how ‘circumstances are different’ was not allowed to be an excuse for gillard when she actually had a hung parliament to deal with. “

    She had to deal with corrupt fools so she sold her integrity for Thomson and Slipper. Abbott would have done the same but now he faces the likes of Lambie and PUP who are batshit crazy.

    However, this speculation is not to the point as Abbott and his merry men (and one lone woman minister) bear most of the blame for their sheer incompetence. Abbott is reaping the rewards of is own stupidity.

  354. Tom R permalink
    December 2, 2014 9:27 am

    btw reb, thanks. 🙂

  355. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 2, 2014 10:27 am

    …and l think this last year shows just how misogynistic teabag-media really is, and l include the women in the canberra press-pack too, who should have been shrieking like frightbats at each and every lie mr-rabbit told and broke…

    Abbott is still being protected from himself and is sheltering under the newscorpse umbrella. None of that for gillard. Is there an equivalent of a chaff bag for abbott or fundraisers with misogynistic titled menus? And why isn’t there an ‘At home with the Abbott’s’ parody running on our ABC with tony and margie frolicking naked under the oz flag? How come no-one has once mentioned abbott’s hair, clothing or knuckle dragging, bow legged walk? Why wasn’t the [then] dependant daughter’s $60,000 scholarship [while OL] shown up for the corruption in high office that it is? Why is abbott allowed to get away with appealing for himself, his office and parliament to be respected when he spent previous years disrespecting and abusing them all?

  356. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 2, 2014 12:14 pm

    Yes, this is a great blog, and to put so much voluntary effort providing a place for us opinionated types to vent our opinions is sensational.

  357. December 2, 2014 12:48 pm

    I guess to make an omelette you gotta break an egg…

    Seems to me some here on the Left just fail to measure up to the most basic standards they demand from Tony Abbott

    I’m no lefty but Wally measuring standards…ROTFL
    Must be dusting off his electron microscope?

    Fuck your’e a winger Walrus.. I know just the party for you..you’d fit right in with these fucktards.. recon with all your creative accounting skills you’d be a thong in at top dog 🙂

    http://smh.domain.com.au/real-estate-news/disgruntled-real-estate-institute-of-nsw-is-threatening-to-form-political-party-20141201-11xs3e.html

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