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It’s been another Stellar Week for the Newly “Reset” Abbott Govt.

December 3, 2014

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Education Minister Christopher Pyne tried to give ABC 7.30 host Leigh Sales a lesson in Mandarin last night during an interview about the defeat of his education reform bill in the Senate.

In an interview during which Pyne defended himself and his relationships with crossbench senators the minister pronounced Palmer United Senator Dio Wang’s name as “Dio Wong”.

“I have a great relationship with Glenn Lazarus and Clive Palmer and Dio Wong,” Mr Pyne said before being corrected by the host.

“I think it’s Dio Wang, actually,” Sales said.

“Well, some people pronounce it ‘Wang’, some people pronounce it ‘Wong’.

“It depends on where you are in the spectrum,” Mr Pyne contended before suggesting it was a “very small thing” for the host to pick him up on.

Immediately after the ministerial slip of the tongue, Twitter lit up with the hashtag “wangorwong”.

The minister jumped into the Twitter conversation after the interview, continuing to school Sales in the nuanced tones of Mandarin.

“Sadly for @leighsales, Mandarin does not have a hard ‘a’ sound so it is ok to pronounce Wang as Wong. It’s s small thing. #wangorwong,” he tweeted.

The seldom-heard Senator Wang is yet to offer the minister his support about how his name can be pronounced.

In the interview Pyne referred to himself as “a good minister” and said he was “working hard”.

“I think the take out is that a good minister worked very hard to try and achieve a very important reform since May,” he said.

“He put that to a vote… that vote was not carried 33 to 31.”

The awkward interview topped off a day which was described as an “embarrassment for the government” with the education minister accused of harassment by PUP Senator Glenn Lazarus and seeing his bill to deregulate university fees in the senate defeated.

Senator Lazarus issued a savage statement yesterday accusing Education Minister Christopher Pyne of harassing him via text messages.

Senator Lazarus, who was hospitalised on Monday with kidney stones, accused Mr Pyne of “embarrassing himself” by inundating the senator with text messages asking him to support the government’s proposals.

He also predicted Mr Pyne would not be Education Minister next year.

“If Christopher Pyne is still the Minister for Education next year, which I strongly doubt, I suggest he takes the bill away, consults with all stakeholders and develops a new plan to support the higher education sector without hurting students” Lazarus said.

“Christopher Pyne’s office and other Abbott government ministers are continuing to contact my office and other crossbenchers offering all sorts of deals and incentives to get our support for the higher education reforms.”

“I have never given Christopher Pyne my mobile phone number. [Nevertheless] “I am being inundated with text messages from Christopher Pyne virtually begging me to support the Abbott government’s higher education reforms.”

“Christopher Pyne is embarrassing himself and needs to stop harassing me and other cross benchers,” Senator Lazarus said.

“I HAVE NEVER SENT GLENN LAZARUS FLOWERS OR CHOCOLATES” INSISTS PYNE

Texts sent by Mr Pyne, seen by The Gutter Trash, confirm that Mr Pyne was a prolific and lengthy texter to Senator Lazarus despite usually receiving no reply from the former rugby league star.

In the texts Mr Pyne pleaded with the senator to meet with him to discuss higher education policy, noting that he was the only crossbench senator to reject his requests for a meeting. Senator Lazarus never agreed to meet Mr Pyne.

In one text Mr Pyne signed-off as Christopher “Whine” – presumably an autocorrect error.

 

YOU WERE FERAL IN OPPOSITION

The minister’s interview followed Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s breakfast TV grilling by Today host Karl Stefanovic over his government’s inability to sell their budget reforms.

Stefanovic told the PM: “No one is buying what you are selling, what you are laying down. That is the problem.”

 

 

 

 

 

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227 Comments leave one →
  1. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2014 10:12 am

    The Abbott government is pushing ahead with a religious-only school chaplaincy scheme following a cabinet debate over whether secular welfare workers should be included in the program.

    The government was forced to redesign the $244 million scheme after the High Court ruled it invalid in June for the second time in two years. The court found the Commonwealth had over-reached its funding powers by providing direct payments to chaplain providers.

    In a bid to prevent another High Court challenge, the federal government will provide funding to state and territory governments to administer the scheme. This new arrangement strengthens the hand of the states and could see some demand an option for secular welfare workers or tougher qualification standards …

    … During the cabinet discussion, Mr Abbott argued that the government should stand by its existing policy. Mr Abbott argued the scheme’s original intent was supporting pastoral care in schools and that should remain its focus. The chaplaincy scheme was also raised in the Coalition party room on Tuesday, where at least two government members argued the scheme should be broadened to include funding for secular workers.

    Why pastoral care … who’s running this country … the Vatican … what happened to the concept of separation of church and state …

    In fact state schools should ALL be secular welfare officers …

    Theological/ideological decision making by The Abbott & The Acolytes living in the Canberra Monastery are getting more than tedious … religion is an adult decision (or should be) … and what happened to choice for those who pay taxes … this is blatant discrimination … based upon a fairytale belief …

    I’ve seen these chaplains “at work” in my g/children’s state school … and it is embarrassing to say the least … (I attended a C of E primary school) and what I saw at my local school was over the top preaching …

    Definitely a case for the High Court …

    I want this lot gone … Howard took seven years to reach this stage …

    What we want is a good solid alternative government … and I can’t see one … yet.

  2. egg permalink
    December 3, 2014 10:17 am

    ‘That’s not right Karl… I’m not in the least bit dismayed… my view is that’s democracy… this morning I am bouncing back and putting up a new reform bill,’ Pyne said.

  3. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 10:23 am

    “It depends on where you are in the spectrum,” Mr Pin contended before suggesting it was a “very small thing” for the host to pick him up on.

    😉

    what happened to the concept of separation of church and state

    Don’t worry, this grubmint is atempting to seperate our states from everything, not just hte church. Jobs, Futures, Hope.

    “It’s all going according to plan ” Mr Pin was herd to say 🙂

  4. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 10:49 am

    A marathon press conference held by Prime Minister Tony Abbott to admit early mistakes made by the Coalition Government has now entered its second day and shows no sign of slowing down.

    Abbott has foregone sleep, water and bathroom breaks in a valiant attempt to finish his speech before the end of the final sitting week of parliament for the year.

    “It is my hope we can get through this in a timely fashion and move forward accordingly,” Abbott began, unfurling an impressively large scroll which then slipped off the podium and rolled down the aisle. “We’re going to start by apologising for the things I said I would do that I haven’t, then quickly move on to the things I said I wouldn’t do that I have done.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2014/12/02/abbotts-admitting-mistakes-press-conference-enters-second-day

    It claims to be satire, but I’m not convinced.

  5. December 3, 2014 10:55 am

    “” I’m not convinced. “”

    Neither am I… 😯

  6. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 11:10 am

    The Kouk lets fly

    The level of gross commonwealth government debt has risen a thumping $75bn to a record $348bn. The level of net government debt has increased by $48bn to a record $226.4bn, according to the latest data up to September 2014. The figure will be higher still when Myefo is released and the forecasts will be for even higher debt.

    ….

    The increase in the budget deficit and rise in debt have been driven by several factors. Importantly, and something continually overlooked in most fiscal policy analysis, has been a surge in government spending.

    ….

    The government has also had a hand in trash-talking the economy. By creating a mood of fear about a budget “crisis” or “emergency”, the government has left business investment sliding and consumer sentiment mired in pessimism.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/02/budget-surplus-a-distant-dream-as-coalition-presides-over-spending-surge

    That last worked well whilst in opposition, and made a tough task for the then Government even tougher, especially with the msm spruiking fear and catastrophe for them as well. Now, with the msm talking positive over every scrap they can get, the fear and nervousness continues, and the actions from the grubmint aren’t helping.

    They are proving to be economic stoopid men, and still send messages that create uncertainty to the electorate. As has been stated so often, they are still in opposition mode. They now are beginning to see how hard it is to run an economy with an opposition determined to tear it down, except now they are their own opposition.

    Labor just sits on the sidelines and laughs at them (while trying to stop the insanity where they can), what else can/should they do?

  7. December 3, 2014 11:17 am

    “”Labor just sits on the sidelines and laughs at them (while trying to stop the insanity where they can), what else can/should they do?””

    I was originally sceptical of Blib Snorten’s Zinger remarks thinking that they might make him look like a complete nonce.

    But it turns out it’s been a stroke of genius! He’s become the doyen of social media while the arsehat government make complete clowns of themselves.

    All blib has to do is stand by on the sidelines while the Grabbot govt make complete tools of themselves…

  8. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 11:22 am

    thinking that they might make him look like a complete nonce.

    I think they call that “playing to your strengths” 😉

    I was in the Albanese camp when the leadership role was up for grabs, but, I think his combative style would have been punished far too much in the media, and gel too well with yabot. yabot likes a fight, but he cannot abide people laughing at him (Gillard knew this also)

    Time will tell, but, Shorten does have a long history of outcomes both with his time as a minister (NDIS), and with his previous role within the Unions, standing up for workers rights.

  9. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2014 11:23 am

    “”All blib has to do is stand by on the sidelines while the Grabbot govt make complete tools of themselves…””

    You were saying………………………….

    “Labor will fight these changes to higher education. We shall fight them in the Parliament, we shall fight them in the community. We shall fight for opportunity. We shall fight for a fair university system and we shall never surrender.” — Bill Shorten this morning

  10. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:15 pm

    ZINGER! ZINGER! ZINGER!

    Go Billy!

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  12. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:19 pm

    You were saying………………………….

    I think he was paraphrasing my para phrase, which included this little snippett

    (while trying to stop the insanity where they can)

    Just contextually 😉

    Mind you, I like it

    Labor will fight these changes to higher education.
    We shall fight them in the Parliament,
    we shall fight them in the community.
    We shall fight for opportunity.
    We shall fight for a fair university system
    and we shall never surrender.

  13. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:20 pm

    lol reb, chris Pin could have heard a pyne drop 🙂

  14. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:20 pm

  15. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:24 pm

    This blog has become a bit like the HoR … re intelligent comments from the usual suspects on right …

    Can’t defend the indefensible, I suppose …

    Churchill, is an odd choice for Shorten to paraphrase tho’ …

  16. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:27 pm

    Have you ever considered that perhaps the Right on this blog are gainfully employed so that you can collect from Centrelink ?

    Nah……………Didn’t think so !

  17. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:27 pm

    chris Pin could have heard a pyne drop

    Chuckle! Is that Peter Dutton learning how its done? LOL! 🙂

  18. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:35 pm

    I wish Abbott would call a double dissolution if only to save this nation from having to pay Jacquie Lambie a salary or any sort of pension.

    Does this spiteful piece of shit have any qualms ?

    Fancy interrupting the senate whilst it was paying its respects to Phillip Hughes to push her fucking ADF barrow again.

    What a turd she truly is.

  19. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:37 pm

    Have you ever considered that perhaps the Right on this blog are gainfully employed so that you can collect from Centrelink ?

    I never had time to comment here when I was working … 15 hour days on site in the bush sort of takes care of it …

    … when you’ve contributed 45 years of tax from doing something – anything – productive for the country (and a couple of years of time) to the government … I’ll listen to yer whinging …

    Obvious you’ve dropped the ball again and made it personal …

  20. December 3, 2014 12:42 pm

    If anyone is interested in Pynes mobile it is
    0407691050
    This issue is dead in the water… hopefully along with a fuckwit who is way out of his depth in a portfolio…

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/stop-texting-me-glenn-lazarus-accuses-christopher-pyne-of-harassment-over-university-reform-20141202-11yflx.html

  21. Walrus permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:47 pm

    “”If anyone is interested in Pynes mobile it is””

    According to Google that’s just his Media Team

  22. December 3, 2014 12:50 pm

    Is that the number he gave to Ashby…??

  23. egg permalink
    December 3, 2014 12:51 pm

    ‘I wish Abbott would call a double dissolution…’

    Me too.

  24. December 3, 2014 1:04 pm

    So whats that tell you Walrus? Glen Lazarus is fucking ropeble.. Basically Pyne is trying to bribe this through.. he’s a grub…

    No Reb I have it on good authority that Pyne spoke directly into Ashby’s dick to phone 🙂

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  27. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 2:14 pm

  28. December 3, 2014 2:29 pm

  29. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 2:35 pm

    it appears that rudd is back in parly, as there is a lot of leaking going on according to the twits

  30. December 3, 2014 2:37 pm

  31. December 3, 2014 2:59 pm

  32. egg permalink
    December 3, 2014 3:42 pm

    ‘it appears that rudd is back in parly, as there is a lot of leaking going on according to the twits’

    Could you expand on that?

  33. December 3, 2014 6:00 pm

    Me too.. I may have to eat my words..

  34. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2014 6:46 pm

    RP, $20,000 million?

  35. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2014 6:50 pm

    $20,000 MILLION is quite a lot of money.

  36. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2014 6:51 pm

    …unless it happens to be spent on the NBN

  37. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 6:57 pm

    …unless it happens to be spent on the NBN

    That’s because then it is an investment, not a gift

    Check out the meaning of the two terms yomm. It might enlighten 😉

    Although it might not

  38. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 7:07 pm

    the libs, and chris pin in particular, have sunk to depths unheard of before, and continue to descend

    Mr Pyne asks the Opposition to bear in mind the funeral of Phillip Hughes when considering its behaviour during Question Time.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/federal-politics-live-december-3-2014-20141203-11yxji.html

  39. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 3, 2014 7:07 pm

    Well, I’m not posting much at the moment because I’m on holidays . Today I was at Pipeline, but it wasn’t me being pounded by 5m waves.

    0.5m waves are my specialty and they didn’t have any of them today.

  40. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 7:11 pm

    Today I was at Pipeline

    Is that a subsidiary of Smokemart?

    Hope the waves are more to your liking tomorrow then yomm 😉

  41. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2014 7:18 pm

    Mr Pyne asks the Opposition to bear in mind the funeral of Phillip Hughes when considering its behaviour during Question Time.

    And as a non-cricket fan I do hope that Cricket Australia do not milk this poor man’s death after today …

    I have been an advocate for the elimination of bouncers (indeed any bodyliners) for decades …

    … and my personal experience was a ball in the left eye …try it someday … enough for me …

  42. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 7:40 pm

    And as a non-cricket fan I do hope that Cricket Australia do not milk this poor man’s death after today …

    You mean like the media has been ever since it happened.

    A guy died on a building site in Adelaide around the same time

    But I’m guessing nobody knew that

    I saw a picture another guy who put out a memorial for him of his tools and boots, and mentioned that this guy died alone doing a thankless job in a dangerous environment, whereas Hughes died surrounded by team-mates after doing what he loved.

    Not belittling the one, but putting some real perspective on it.

    After seeing the adulation on the news tonight, I reflected on how many Australian soldiers, workers, or wives have died in recent years? Why do we focus on the one so much?

  43. December 3, 2014 7:50 pm

    “After seeing the adulation on the news tonight, I reflected on how many Australian soldiers, workers, or wives have died in recent years? Why do we focus on the one so much?”

    You can’t work it out?

  44. December 3, 2014 7:51 pm

    $20,000,000,000 government contract? To fight ebola? Anyone got a link for that?

  45. December 3, 2014 7:53 pm

    Some people will believe anything if it fits their worldview.

  46. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 7:56 pm

    You can’t work it out?

    I understand we are supposedly a sports mad country, but ……

  47. Tom R permalink
    December 3, 2014 7:58 pm

    $20,000,000,000 government contract?

    Perhaps he got hockey to make the sign up 😉

  48. TB Queensland permalink
    December 3, 2014 9:40 pm

    You can’t work it out?

    No … please explain … ❓

  49. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2014 10:36 pm

  50. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 3, 2014 10:56 pm

  51. December 4, 2014 12:16 am

    #juliebishopsanchor

  52. December 4, 2014 12:33 am

    NIMBY is the greatest threat to nuclear in the Australian electorate.

    If they try & put one within 1000 kms of my backyard they’ll face extreme rsistance, unparalleled here; and I’m no orphan.

    Wank about the Uranium Industry at your peril, AusGovCorp.

  53. December 4, 2014 12:34 am

    I comprehend ‘halflife’, fallout & waste ‘management’.

    Put the fuckers in the middle of metropolitan areas.

  54. December 4, 2014 12:37 am

    I am highly familiar with the counter argument…nuclear apologia served up by Herr Bolt after Fukushima (and the odd…Hiroshima is AWESOME now!!! post).

    Beholden partisan arsehat with diminished foresight…

  55. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 9:06 am

    It may not be proof positive, but this makes it look pretty clear that the education bill is about privatising education rather than any budgetary measures as they claim. They have binned all savings, but kept the deregulation side of it.

    The new bill reveals the government has significantly revised down the estimated budget savings, cutting the four-year impact from $3.9bn to $451m.

    The concessions include scrapping the plan to increase interest rates on student loans, freezing indexation on debts for low-earning primary carers of young children, and a $100m structural adjustment fund to help universities move to the new system.

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/03/higher-education-bill-abbott-government-trades-away-35bn-budget-savings

    Not that that is something we didn’t know before. 😉

  56. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 9:11 am

    and the odd…Hiroshima is AWESOME now!!! post

    I haven’t heard of that one, but, if that is running the argument I think it is, it really just exemplifies his total lack of knowledge of the topics he posts about.

  57. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 9:12 am

    Our momentous momentum

  58. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2014 9:28 am

    AO @10.56, the Rockford Basket Press is a sensational wine.

    That’s what I’d choose too.

  59. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 9:46 am

    That’s what I’d choose too.

    Thanks yomm, I’d missed that post from AO

    Does this mean that our defence contracts are now being decided by a minister with an obvious preference for Sushi?

  60. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2014 9:56 am

    Eye fillet is Japanese?

  61. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 10:25 am

    Eye fillet is Japanese?

    I don’t know about that, but I know Sushi is, and I know he has a preference for Japanese subs that don’t meet our requirements

    Although, truth be told, I would say it is yabot and hockey with the preference, as I’m still pretty sure the deal is done, all for “Free Trade”

    No wonder Labor couldn’t seal the deal, the gutless wimps weren’t prepared to sell out Australian jobs for a piece of paper.

  62. December 4, 2014 10:37 am

  63. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2014 10:44 am

    Pyne’s re-submission of the higher education fraud futility, was a face saving exercise, govt. wanting to make the budget blowout look better.

    http://www.afr.com/p/national/budget_shambles_as_university_deal_LhpII37yNDKpHnDpaW4JEJ

    …In a move which also enables to government to keep banking the budget savings, Mr Pyne said these concessions would be bundled into new package, rushed through the House of Representatives, and be put back to the Senate some time after Parliament resumes in February.

    Because the package will be different to that defeated on Tuesday, a second defeat in the Senate will not provide the government with a trigger for a double dissolution election.

    Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon said Mr Pyne’s proposed second bill was unlikely to be passed but would enable the government to keep the savings on the books and avoid a $5 billion hole when it releases the mid-year budget update in two weeks…

  64. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 10:45 am

    Kinda looks like he’s a bout to go into a meeting with chris pin.

    Speaking of which, just saw Dawn of the Planet of The Apes

  65. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2014 10:48 am

    Speaking of which, just saw Dawn of the Planet of The Apes

    I’m about to …

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because the package will be different to that defeated on Tuesday, a second defeat in the Senate will not provide the government with a trigger for a double dissolution election.

    Talk about double jeopardy …

    Could you imagine negotiating with the whining little twat? No wonder he sends fkn tweets …

  66. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 11:02 am

    Whoops, spoilers 🙂

  67. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 11:05 am

    Could you imagine negotiating with the whining little twat?

    Reminded me of this 😉

    Christopher Pyne’s People Movement Poised For The Most Phyrrhic Of Victories

    https://newmatilda.com/2014/12/03/christopher-pynes-people-movement-poised-most-phyrrhic-victories

    My favourite

    Runner-up Backhanded Insult Most Likely To Be Fake Award
    “Love you Chris.” – Jaymes Aschbie, Australia

    😆

  68. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2014 11:06 am

    “Our momentous momentum

    Umm. Unemployment went from 4.3% under Howard in 2007 and trending down to 5.8% under Rudd/Gillard and trending up.

    Hundreds of thousands of people lost their jobs under Rudd/Gillard.

  69. Walrus permalink
    December 4, 2014 11:23 am

    “No wonder Labor couldn’t seal the deal, the gutless wimps weren’t prepared to sell out Australian jobs for a piece of paper.”

    Still having trouble with your keyboard Tom R ?

    I think you meant…………..

    No wonder Labor couldn’t seal the deal, the gutless wimps weren’t prepared to sell out expensive Australian taxpayer jobs subsidies for a piece of paper.

  70. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2014 11:28 am

    SORRY CLIVE, HONEYMOON’S OVER:
    http://thehoopla.com.au/sorry-clive-honeymoons/

  71. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2014 11:29 am

    This is what happened under Labor

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-16/kohler-car-industry/5025360

    In 2008, local manufacturers sold 160,000 cars out of total Australian sales of 1.1 million, or 22 per cent. In 2012, local manufacture was 138,000, or 12 per cent of the market. Year to date 2013, this is down to 10 per cent, which is to say 90 per cent of cars are imported.”

    Subsidies produced cars that nobody wanted to buy.

  72. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2014 11:55 am

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2014/dec/04/australias-dreadful-gdp-figures-six-things-you-need-to-know?CMP=share_btn_tw

    …So I guess if you’re looking for a sunny note to end on let us just say the workers are still working pretty hard and well, but we’re not getting any extra pay for doing so and our income feels like it has gone backwards…

  73. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:00 pm

    sell out expensive Australian taxpayer jobs subsidies for a piece of paper.

    You mean, like the other countries do?

    I see out dollar is back at a reasonable level, which meant, going on statements from Holden, the “subsidies” would not have been required at the level they were.

    Yes, Kohler is informative, and I have linked to that article before

    This is what I mentioned earlier, but ignorance, as they say ….

    Australia has an FTA with Thailand. The Ford Territory, which costs between $39,990 and $62,740 in Australia, costs around $100,000 in Thailand. The equivalent locally made car in Thailand costs $35,000.

    The main reason for the difference is an internal excise tax which gets around the FTA. There’s also a tax rebate for first car buyers that only applies to cars built in Thailand.

    Australia also has an FTA with Malaysia, but Australian manufacturers report they have no hope of selling cars in Malaysia because of arbitrary customs valuations and local content tax incentives.

    We were never operating on a level field before, this grubmint has removed our last bastion in leveling the field

  74. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:11 pm

    tom r

    you are a traitor to Australia.

    We do not need deadbeats like you giving comments.

    Subsidies produced cars that nobody wanted to buy. Subsidies produced workers who did nothing but picked their nose and scratched their bums because they thought the gravy train would never end.

  75. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:19 pm

    I wouldn’t have objected to subsidising vehicle manufacturing if the unions/workforce were committed to efficiency and genuine reform.

    *Single union coverage
    *Commitment not to ramp up industrial pressure during expansion and overhaul
    *Restraining wage costs to below CPI

  76. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:20 pm

    So, are you saying we should have kept our excise instead of subsidies?

    “Free Trade” my arse (no, that’s not an offer) 😉

  77. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:23 pm

    On Wednesday, Ms Bishop said any new climate targets would have broad impacts on the economy.

    “This has significant economic impacts, so both the Trade and Investment and the Foreign Minister will be there,” she said.

    Of course it does … it should STIMULATE R&D and manufacturing in alternative energy production …

    But these boofheads will only see it as a THREAT to coal … they do very well in a longwall mine … they can’t see past their noses …

    And its no wonder that Robb(er) was implicit in closing the FTA … the man is a walking moron …

  78. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:38 pm

    “”” *Restraining wage costs to below CPI “”””

    Yep providing that government charges don’t increase higher or companies don’t increase their profit margins … more then the CPI …

    Restraining wages does not reduce the cost of living it only increases it …

    Brisbane residents have just been informed that their water bills will increase from between 4% and 10% … and its Labor’s fault – apparently …

    Its not wages that are the problem its governments that couldn’t run a sausage sizzle and the greedy Robber Baron, billionaire Harvey Normans of the world …

    The command system has some merits but not when its used to fk over the majority of the population … and we know what happened to the USSR …

    … monarchies have some benefits but not when they fk over the majority of the population … and we know what happened to Charles I & II and all those French aristocrats …

    Capitalism is a great system … but not when it is bastardised to fk over the majority of the population …

    History will tell you that eventually people get fed up with being raped day after day … and fight back … and history will tell you that you never treat your military with disdain because eventually they will join the people …

    Quite frankly this is the dumbest horde of politicians in Canberra that I have seen in my lifetime …

  79. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:38 pm

    if the unions/workforce were committed to efficiency and genuine reform.

    Again, the facts don’t follow you yomm. From Kohler, again.

    In a piece in The Drum in August, Phillip Toner of the University of Sydney wrote that productivity in the car industry (value added per worker) was $100,000 per worker compared with $85,000 across the economy.

  80. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:40 pm

    you are a traitor to Australia.

    I should add that I find it passing strange that supporting Australian jobs against selling them out to vested interests is somehow seen as “traitorous”

    But that’s #teamaustralia for ya’ 😉

  81. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:46 pm

    Really? Vehicle industry employees are paid far more than workers with equivalent skills.

    But it isn’t just about wage costs, it’s that the industrial environment makes expansion and upgrade a dubious proposition . Experience demonstrates that overhauls are truncated, expansion delayed because of industrial risks.

    People often complained about the lack of investment and aging plant. The industrial relations environment has plenty to do with that.

  82. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:50 pm

  83. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:52 pm

  84. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:58 pm

    …Mr Crosby has lobbied for tobacco giant Philip Morris in the past – but denied having any influence over the government’s decision to shelve plans for plain cigarette packaging in England and Wales.

    The tough-talking election guru is reported to have told Mr Cameron to “scrape the barnacles off the boat” by ditching extraneous policies in favour of a ruthless focus on core issues such as welfare and immigration….

  85. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 12:58 pm

    But it isn’t just about wage costs

    No, it is also about R&D, and foreseeing what will take off.

    Holden had a period where they got stuck in hte big car mode (mainly because their exports were strong several years ago, mainly to law enforcement agencies.)

    The GFC killed that overnight.

    They were developing smaller cars, and an electric model, but that has now been killed off.

    They had a strong future, based on years of excellence in the international market (in their niche)

    But this grubmint has cut them off, right at the point where things would turn around for them. The Aussie dollar is back at a more comfortable level for exporters, and the Cruze was at the stage in the models development where it was a very competitive car.

    All killed off so yabot and hockneed can claim an empty success.

  86. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2014 1:21 pm

    I should add that I find it passing strange that supporting Australian jobs against selling them out to vested interests is somehow seen as “traitorous”

    I am sick of repeating myself but here i go again.

    Subsidies produced workers who picked their nose and scratched their bums because they thought the gravy train would never end.

    Local cars sales crashed under Labor until it reached a low of 10% of total sales in 2013.

    How can you have a local industry when only 10% of sales are the local product??

    Nobody wanted to buy Holden or Ford. Australians wanted imported models.

    Get it?

  87. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 4, 2014 1:23 pm

    The government killed them off no more than union/workforce that imagined the public largesse would continue forever

  88. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 1:41 pm

    Get it?

    Yes, you appear incapable of reading any of that Kohler article except for the one line that, taken out of all context, suits your world view.

    I get it 😉

    that imagined the public largesse would continue forever

    Even though it was clearly stated that it was only needed until the dollar fell again

    But you already knew that, didn’t ya yomm

    Too many pipe(line)s today perhaps? 😉

  89. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2014 1:51 pm

    “Even though it was clearly stated that it was only needed until the dollar fell again

    Talk about being deluded and also most probably a traitor to Australia.

    Car manufacturing left for the same reason all our other manufacturing left.

    Remember the TV repair man? When the TV broke down somebody came out and replaced the picture tube or whatever needed replacing. Now when the TV breaks down you throw it out and buy a new one. From overseas not Australian made as was the case in the 1970’s.

    Our car manufacturing left because Unions thought the gravy train would never end.

  90. Walrus permalink
    December 4, 2014 1:58 pm

    “We were never operating on a level field before, this grubmint has removed our last bastion in leveling the field”

    ROFLMAO…………so Thailand and Malaysia could have saved our car industry………….?

    Comedy Platinum

  91. Walrus permalink
    December 4, 2014 2:01 pm

    ROFLMAO………………….the Holden Cruze……………such a magnificent example of Holden manufacturing finesse

    http://www.productreview.com.au/p/holden-cruze-2008-present/3.html

  92. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2014 2:44 pm

    As I said wally

    Hate to tellya, TR … but your being trolled …

    … this subject has been discussed ad infinitum, ad nause, ad mortem here …

    … and this little three step shuffle is allowing these little gems to be ignored …

    Proposed “slick and lively” television ads tell viewers university graduates earn 75 per cent more than non-graduates, a source has told news.com.au.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/the-abbott-governments-secret-plan-for-a-media-blitz-on-higher-education/story-fncynjr2-1227144709182

  93. Tom R permalink
    December 4, 2014 3:07 pm

    this subject has been discussed ad infinitum, ad nause, ad mortem here

    I’m aware o that TB, as I alluded to earlier when I mentioned that I had already linked to the Kohler article. So it is really nothing that is not known by these posters.

    But, having said that, watching them go over the same ground, with the same arguments, that they ignore the answers to. Witness yomms plodding “but it’s the unions BOO! even after it was shown that the automotive industry has an extremely high productivity rate when compared to the broader economy. And manufacturing is one of the most highly unionised workplaces.

    You’d think that with outcomes like that, the rwdb’s would be clamoring for more union coverage. I guess productivity isn’t the outcome they are looking for

    It’s also nice to keep it in the headlights, especially after hockeys admission that he killed our industry for a free trade agreement.

  94. Walrus permalink
    December 4, 2014 3:58 pm

    “As I said wally”

    As I said TomR………………………….Comedy Platinum

    Now I’m really pissing myself laughing at you TomR……………….someone get me a mop its so bad…………………………..

    http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=39115&IsPgd=0

    http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/973588

    http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1003061

    http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1008845

    http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1013902

    http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1051740

    And if that dont convince you TomR maybe this will…………………

    http://autoexpert.com.au/buying-a-car/new-cars/qa/why-the-holden-cruze-is-a-dog

    Care to praise the Cruze again TomR ????????????????????????????????

  95. Walrus permalink
    December 4, 2014 3:59 pm

    Why Oh Why am I in moderation ?

    Did I mention Carbon Dioxide or something ?

  96. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2014 4:02 pm

    “My frustration is shared by voters, who have made it very clear that they find the Victorian Liberal Party slightly more repulsive than the empty authoritarians in the ALP and Greens.”

    Where does this “authoritarian” shite keep coming from … the only “authoritarian” governments I’ve ever seen is the present Abbott government, Joh Bjelke Peterson’s rabble, Noddy Newman & The Nitwits and the government that press-ganged 64,000 men for National Service in VN … all L/NP governments … and even Menzies would be turning in his grave at this present lot …

    The quote comes from here …

    http://www.news.com.au/national/the-liberal-party-has-completely-betrayed-its-core-principles-says-young-liberal-executive-team-member-in-scathing-resignation-letter/story-fncynjr2-1227144732331

    And the headline caught my attention …

    The Liberal Party has ‘completely betrayed its core principles’ says Young Liberal Executive Team member in scathing resignation letter

    Anyway once you read it and digest it … its really a personal rant rather than a “scathing resignation letter” …

  97. Walrus permalink
    December 4, 2014 4:10 pm

    “There’s no such thing as a “quality Cruze” unless you put the word “poor” in front.”

    ROFLMAO

  98. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2014 5:25 pm

    “Brisbane residents have just been informed that their water bills will increase from between 4% and 10% … and its Labor’s fault – apparently …”

    Well the desal plants that Labor govts built have added to the cost of water. It should be mentioned that Flannery said it would never rain again because of AGW so we need to build these plants.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/billions-in-desalination-costs-for-not-a-drop-of-water/story-e6frgczx-1227094416376

    THE consumer bill for the nation’s largest desalination plant is set to rise to more than $2 billion, as heavy rain and soaring dam levels make redundant tremendously expensive facilities across the eastern seaboard…………..Sydney’s plant is dismissed as a white elephant, with no water produced since 2012, despite costing consumers almost $200 million a year, or about $100 a year for every water user.

    In Queensland, the Gold Coast desalination plant built by the previous Labor government at Tugun cost $1.2bn but has been effectively mothballed for the past few years”

    It was not the robber barons who produced this waste. It was the Australian Labor Party and the stupid people who voted for them.

  99. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2014 5:57 pm

    http://www.farmonline.com.au/news/agriculture/general/news/rush-is-on-for-drought-relief-package/2718781.aspx

    Check the date on this article … Australia is one of the driest countries in the world … I have no idea where you live but it appears to be a bunker deep in the ground somewhere you ignorant fool …

    Desal plants aren’t used continuously (they’re a bit like fire engines!) and it took the ALP to finally connect the dams in Queensland with a pipeline system …

  100. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2014 6:22 pm

    It rains on the coast where the major cities are. Flannery said it would never rain again because of AGW and the fools in the Labor Party believed him costing us all billions of dollars.

    A new dam would have been less expensive.

    By the way a desal plant on the coast is useless for inland Australia.

  101. Walrus permalink
    December 4, 2014 6:32 pm

    “”… I have no idea where you live but it appears to be a bunker deep in the ground somewhere you ignorant fool … “”

    I’d be careful about who is the ignorant fool if I were you

    Annual Rainfall Averages…………..

    London 601mm

    Brisbane 1007mm

  102. TB Queensland permalink
    December 4, 2014 7:41 pm

    London 601mm

    Brisbane 1007mm

    A link would be nice but I know that its not technically possible with you limited expertise with copmputery things …

    er, not countries … ain’t no cows and sheep farms in cities – nor wheat, cotton, barley and sugar farms …

    BTW, fairly consistent rain in London is not the same as massive sub-tropic downpours every couple of months …

    … you really need to get off your shiny arse, Wally, and see the real Australia, where people actually earn $$$$ through blood sweat and tears …

    … instead of just moving $$$$ signs around on a computer screen to increase the profit of other shiny arses … and reduce their commitment to society …

    A new dam would have been less expensive.

    Another Dickwit statement … look up evaporation …

    the way a desal plant on the coast is useless for inland Australia.

    More fkn ignorance … the desal plant can pump into the pipeline grid mentioned before …

    The Gold Coast desalination plant is a reverse osmosis, water desalination plant that supplies water to the Gold Coast and South East Queensland via the South East Queensland Water Grid, located in Tugun.

    One ignorant LNP fool defending another … its NOT about POLITICS … its about fkn survival … and progress … FFS!

    I really get fed up with the lack of research and then accompanying ignorance (or Liberal propaganda) displayed at The Gutter Trash …

    I only reply to the shite because of that little map that displays (at the moment) 23,000 people who read the crap comments … just because the LNP lickers are ignorant it doesn’t mean others here are …

  103. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 4, 2014 8:30 pm

    “More fkn ignorance … the desal plant can pump into the pipeline grid mentioned before …

    What is wrong with saying a desal plant is useless for inland Australia. Desal plants are only for people living on the coast. The Queensland desal plant produces water for the Gold Coast and Brisbane not Mt Isa.

    Just because you get angry with my comments does not mean you are right.

    Fact is our water bills have increased greatly because of the desal plants built by ALP govts.

  104. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2014 8:57 pm

  105. December 4, 2014 10:18 pm

  106. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 4, 2014 11:24 pm

    That’s interesting ricky.
    Turnbull will give the position more credibility and he’ll be better at communicating with the public, but he is still a wolf in sheep’s clothing. We’ve seen quite recently how he’s happy to sing from the same hymn book as hockey and abbott. I won’t expect more fairness from him.

  107. December 4, 2014 11:29 pm

  108. December 4, 2014 11:55 pm

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott says he would be “fine” with someone putting forward a nuclear energy proposal and described the Fukushima meltdown as a “problem”.

    Foreign Minister Julie Bishop earlier told Fairfax Media nuclear energy was an “obvious” way to reduce carbon emissions

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-01/tony-abbott-says-he-has-no-objection-to-nuclear-energy/5931252

  109. December 5, 2014 4:04 am

    That’s interesting ricky.
    Turnbull will give the position more credibility and he’ll be better at

    Yeah well Merchant Banker rhymes wit?
    Morrison is hugely ambitious and would dig up and shag his lifeless Granny stepping on puppies throwing babies over his shoulder for a shot at the tittle… he is shameless… spare us..

  110. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2014 4:20 am

    Merchant banker with “Whitlam, Wran, Turnbull” I think.

  111. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 7:40 am

    Care to praise the Cruze again TomR

    Yea, because I have experts on my side, not self opinionated asswipes like that Cadogan guy. And as I said, ” the Cruze was at the stage in the models development where it was a very competitive car.”

    So, instead of going years back, I’ll show you the improvements that the Holden team made once they took over the manufacture of the Cruze from a fully imported model. Up until the point the libs Killed Holden

    2013
    The Holden Cruze has never been like the Mazda 3 or Volkswagen Golf. It has always been inferior. The Cruze SRi still isn’t like them, but it now offers its own, slightly brash personality, and from a performance and value perspective, presents as a fine alternative to both class benchmarks.

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/218722/2013-holden-cruze-sri-review/

    2014
    This greatly improved 2014 Cruze range however, which offers more for less, and, in the case of the 1.6 litre turbo, also offers a fiesty drive, will help arrest that slide.

    It really is a compelling buy; the new Cruze gives you plenty of car for your money.

    http://www.themotorreport.com.au/56104/2013-holden-cruze-sedan-and-hatch-australian-launch-road-test-review

    2015
    Dead, because yabot wanted a “Free Trade” deal to pin onto his little board. And probably just so he can fuck world class workers off.

    Can someone explain what is “Free” in hte trade when it involves sacrificing Aussie jobs, instead of getting other countries to remove their excises in order to create a truly “free” trade environment?

    Oh, and the reason you went into moderation wally is because you pasted too many links. Should have done what I have done below, one link, to a looong page of links showing recalls. It happens to everyone, so proves jack shit. Much like most of you posting 😉

    http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/952857/fromItemId/952855

  112. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 7:44 am

    but he is still a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    Exactly AO, and now, everyone is aware of it.

    He trashed his rep as some kind of IT guru over his inane comments around the NBN, and his vocal support (at times) of the budget has exposed him to be nothing but a poor little rich boy with only the interests of the upper echelon in mind.

    In fact, it’s difficult to look at the libs as a whole and find anyone willing to go into bat for howards battlers? They seem to have abandoned them, after howard invested so much time and money bribing them over to their side.

  113. December 5, 2014 8:02 am

    ‘Can someone explain what is “Free” in hte trade when it involves sacrificing Aussie jobs, instead of getting other countries to remove their excises in order to create a truly “free” trade environment?’

    It was Labor what done it.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/holdens-demise-started-with-the-hawke-government-20131212-2za8a.html

  114. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 8:03 am

    It rains on the coast where the major cities are.

    Yes nil. That would also be where most of he people are 😉

    Do we have many catchment areas to provide for all those people? Hate to say it, but most viable ones are already in use and at capacity, and it still aint enough, especially in times of drought. Hence the desal plants.

    … the desal plant can pump into the pipeline grid mentioned before …

    I wonder if nil has worked out how Adelaide gets water from the Murray?

    Flannery said it would never rain again because of AGW

    Really? Do you perhaps have a link?

  115. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2014 8:09 am

    The desal plant at Wonthaggi set new standards in workplace rorts and coastline ugliness.

    I think water bills are up by about $1000 a year to pay for it.

    It hasn’t produced and water yet& the dams are full.

  116. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2014 8:10 am

    any water yet

  117. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2014 8:18 am

    “Really? Do you perhaps have a link?

    http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm

    So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems

  118. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 8:42 am

    Thanks tosy

    But with the Button plan progressively levelling the playing field

    Unfortunately, the writer also ignores the fact that it didn’t level the playing field, it brought us down below it, as Kohlers article that nil linked to shows.

    Which is why we use subsidies as a mechanism to counteract other countries excises.

    Those countries don’t want the “level” playing field, that Button pushed all those years ago (many warned back then too)

    At least with subsidies we rebalanced the field a bit.

    So what does hockey do. Not only pulls that leveller out, but brags about it as his final offering to the Dog Free Trade

    But blaming something from three decades ago, even yabot wouldn’t sink that low

    Would he?

  119. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2014 8:52 am

    “Not only pulls that leveller out”

    No he didn’t. We have been over this a million times before. When Ford pulled out Holden went to the govt and wanted even more subsidies. They were still getting $1B in subsidies but wanted another $500M which Hockey was against.

  120. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2014 8:56 am

    Didn’t Gillard make some announcement that she’d secured the auto industry for 15 years?

  121. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 8:58 am

    More. From the Oz ROFL

    And nil

    Flannery said it would never rain again because of AGW

    And your link

    So even the rain that falls

    ROFL 😆

    Thanks fellas

  122. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:01 am

    “… you really need to get off your shiny arse, Wally, and see the real Australia, where people actually earn $$$$ through blood sweat and tears … ”

    What…..like standing in a queue at Centrelink with your hand out ?

  123. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:04 am

    “I really get fed up with the lack of research and then accompanying ignorance (or Liberal propaganda) displayed at The Gutter Trash … ”

    ROFLMAO at a bitter old fool

  124. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:09 am

    “GM announced in April 2011 that 2,100 North American-market Cruze models will be recalled following a report of the steering wheel breaking away from the steering column during motion. According to Consumer Reports, during its first year, the Cruze scored the lowest in reliability among compact sedans.”

    What……………….you are driving along the Great Ocean Road and the steering wheel falls off……………………….so where’s the problem with that ………..ROFLMAO

    TomR,

    The Cruze has been a fucking disaster all around the World.

    Stop putting lipstick on a pig of a vehicle.

    You chose to defend the Cruze……….you chose poorly.

  125. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:13 am

    I see ms sales is preparing for life after abc

    PROMINENT ABC journalist Leigh Sales has been accused of being too soft on Prime Minister Tony Abbott on ABC’s 7.30 program as he hinted at a Cabinet reshuffle.

    http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/entertainment/television/leigh-sales-accused-of-being-too-soft-on-tony-abbott-on-abcs-730/story-fni0cc2b-1227145273517

    I also heard that the disparity between her foot rub of yabot and her attack on Bill Shorten was quite obvious.

    You chose to defend the Cruze

    So, you choose to ignore the links I put up that show how much it has been improved since Australian workers began building it?

    Why don’t I just list all of the recalls other car makers have. Oh, I did 😉

  126. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:16 am

    Go out an spend up over xmas, says hockey (unless you are the grubmint that is)

    More than 40,000 public servants in two of the government’s biggest departments now face at least 18 months of pay limbo with no end in sight, as their bosses put off new wage offers until 2015.

    About 20,000 civilian staff at the Defence Department, whose last pay rise came in July 2013, were hoping to see a pay offer on Wednesday or Thursday.

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/40000-public-servants-in-pay-limbo–as-government-delays-negotiations-until-2015-20141204-11zu3s.html

  127. December 5, 2014 9:29 am

  128. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:37 am

    “”More than 40,000 public servants in two of the government’s biggest departments now face at least 18 months of pay limbo with no end in sight, as their bosses put off new wage offers until 2015.””

    Excellent !

    If they are so concerned why not let them, using a football term, “test the market””..LOL

  129. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:38 am

    “Stop putting lipstick on a pig “

    When it comes to all things ALP, Tom R is full-throated in his support and in his unique method of applying lipstick to said pig. This involves pulling his head out of the pig’s arse (where it usually resides) and appplying the lipstick to the pig’s penis with his lying lips.

  130. December 5, 2014 9:42 am

    “”ROFLMAO””

    You seem to do a lot of that Walrus, but I wonder whether it’s really true…

  131. December 5, 2014 9:42 am

    BTW, I watched Babadook last night.. I think question time is more frightening.

  132. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:52 am

    “……………….but I wonder whether it’s really true…”

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

    Let me think……………………….damn……………………I’m being distracted by those pesky waves breaking along the coastline…………………….I’ll just swivel on my chair………………..damn………………there’s all that greenery from the National Park in the distance…………………..I’ll just swivel again………………………..damn………………….there’s all those pesky boats out on Pittwater……………………its so distracting living here……………….LOL

  133. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:56 am

    I’m feeling really upbeat about next year …

    Jockey just sent me this … (its even got bullet points!)

    T,

    As we come to the end of the year, I would like to update you on the progress of the Government’s Economic Action Strategy.

    Our goal is to build a stronger, more prosperous economy in which all Australians get ahead.

    This year we have made significant progress and put in place key foundations on which we can build.

    We’ve:
    • Helped families by scrapping the Carbon Tax;
    • Freed up small businesses to grow by cutting $2 billion in red tape;
    • Encouraged trade and new jobs by finalising free trade agreements with China, Korea and Japan;
    • Created almost 120,000 new jobs. Jobs growth this year has been at double the speed we saw in 2013;
    • Provided approvals for major new projects that will deliver over $1 trillion of output for Australia; and
    • Launched a record $50 billion infrastructure programme – building the roads of the 21st century.
    • And we’ve started the crucial job of getting the Budget back under control.
    But there’s more to do, if we are to build a stronger economy.

    We will not be complacent.

    In 2015, the Government will continue to put in place policies that drive growth, create jobs and support families.

    We will continue to cut red tape, build new infrastructure and make it easier for small businesses to employ more people.

    It is because of our policies that all Australians can feel confident about the coming year.

    You can read more here about the Government’s work delivering its Economic Action Strategy from a speech I gave to Parliament yesterday.

    Regards,

    Joe Hockey
    Treasurer

  134. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:57 am

    …He trashed his rep as some kind of IT guru over his inane comments around the NBN…

    Did he have a rep?

    I thought he got his IT cred from buying ozemail, he didn’t actually do anything techie, he bought an existing operation!

    …PROMINENT ABC journalist Leigh Sales has been accused of being too soft on Prime Minister Tony Abbott on ABC’s 7.30 program…

    I watched that and yes, she was awfully polite and congenial, didn’t test him at all, or ask any of the hard questions. I’m sure he only went on to try and tell the public that he’s done great things this year – LYING LIAR!

  135. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 9:57 am

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh …

    I must go out and spend, spend, spend!

  136. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:03 am

    …PROMINENT ABC journalist Leigh Sales has been accused of being too soft on Prime Minister Tony Abbott on ABC’s 7.30 program…

    I haven’t seen that interview …

    But I did watch Tony Jones asking inane questions “at” Chris Bowen … eg will you reverse The Abbott cuts … er who knows what the economy will be like in another two years …

    A bit like asking someone if they’ll pay off their mortgage in the next two years …

  137. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:03 am

  138. December 5, 2014 10:14 am

    “I’ll just sit here and swivel…”

    That’s kinda what I figured you’d be doing.

  139. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:16 am

    Whitehouse’ kickback is fixed up, thanks for that $60,000 scholarship and the daughter’s job.

    Secular is just a word.

    Abbott government cuts university support; funds priests’ training:

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-cuts-university-support-funds-priests-training-20141204-120a3c.html

    …Taxpayers would subsidise the training of priests and other religious workers at private colleges for the first time under the Abbott government’s proposed higher education reforms.

    As well as deregulating university fees and cutting university funding by 20 per cent, the government’s proposed higher education package extends federal funding to students at private universities, TAFES and associate degree programs.

    Religious teaching, training and vocational institutes would be eligible for a share of $820 million in new Commonwealth funding over three years…

  140. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:21 am

  141. December 5, 2014 10:22 am

  142. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:28 am

    Our political system is hopelessly corrupt, we need to get rid of the dirt and start again clean, with a federal ICC. The federal politicians know they can act with impunity and that’s just how they like it. Lobbyists are a cancer on democracy and society.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/national-icac-needed-to-probe-federal-politicians-says-nsw-independent-commission-against-corruption-counsel-geoffrey-watson-sc-20141204-12093d.html

    …Federal politicians may be corrupt and a national ICAC is needed to clean out Canberra, according to the counsel assisting the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption, Geoffrey Watson, SC.

    Mr Watson made his comments at a recent international legal conference In Melbourne where he said: “I have seen things that show that federal politicians are not immune from temptation.”

    Mr Watson, whose work with the NSW ICAC has exposed serious corruption or impropriety involving NSW Labor and Liberal ministers, also said there was “nothing different in the air in Canberra” when it came to the question of misconduct by public officials…

  143. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:29 am

    So even the rain that falls

    ROFL

    When i said that Flannery said it would never rain again i meant it would never rain enough to fill up our dams.

    You can try and play stupid games with english but it was that advice by Flannery which saw state govts spend billions of dollars on desal plants.

    So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems

    Tim Flannery 2006

  144. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:32 am

    “I thought he got his IT cred from buying ozemail, he didn’t actually do anything techie, he bought an existing operation!”

    To be fair, he invested in a little known start-up at the dawn of the world wide web. That shows he has some clue, as oppossed to Underpants Conroy who has no clue about anything other than Unionland thuggery. But Malcolm’s real expertise seems to be cat-strangling.

  145. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:37 am

  146. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:45 am

    But Malcolm’s real expertise seems to be cat-strangling.

    Now that is probably the real malcolm!

  147. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:51 am

    If a delay in a wage increase to public servants saves a few dollars then keep delaying.

    I struggle to understand why I should pay higher taxes to fund shiny arsed over paid pen pushers and firm fillers

  148. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2014 10:52 am

    form fillers

  149. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 11:08 am

    I struggle to understand why I should pay higher taxes to fund shiny arsed (sic) over paid (sic) pen pushers and firm (sic) fillers

    So, Wally, does get paid too much for swivelling his shiny arse?

  150. December 5, 2014 11:26 am

    I thought he got his IT cred from buying ozemail, he didn’t actually do anything techie, he bought an existing operation!

    Basically Turnbull has no IT cred whatsoever. One of my industry colleges built that network from literally nothing.. He did lots of work for Sean Howard and when he had it it was primarily Dial up PoPs connected via DDN

    Turnbull has no IT experience other than what guru’s and overpaid consultants tell him… He just came to the table as a merchant wanker securing funding with borrowed capital

    We all made money on Ozemail. (my mate mad 4 mill)

    Insider trading was rife in the 90’s as we were all highly trained specialists (most of us ex telecom) and we were all working for different companies on expansion. We all knew who had what, budgets, deliverable, bandwidth allocations, wholesale pricing..ect.. We would trade info…

    Example…I worked for Jtec owned by venture capital company Techniche. I was poached and when I joined we were just under a buck… We were unique in supplying digital switches way ahead of the game, which saved lots of money by bandwidth utilisation and for 3 or 4 glorious years we were a force ahead of everyone including Cisco pre VOIP…
    We had a manufacturing facility , which we outgrew and purchased a bigger facility in Meadowbank….

    We worked on a big contract for BT UK (rebadging our product) for about a year…Bingo $4.95

    Jtec were purchased by a competitor , stripped of their IP and closed down..

    Why am I telling you this….?? Turnbull is full of shit.

    Turnbull made most of his money Insider trading from the Worldcom takeover, which was the worst kept secret. Worldcom were aggressively buying into the market here and I had commissioned some nodes from their American operation in Kent st (from memory) 18 months before it all went down…

    Worldcom had deep deep pockets and as it turns out were highly corrupt and fraudulent….

    Do the maths… Malcolm was a merchant banker…

    .. Its all just bullshit, throws around a few acronyms reads some brichures and pretent to know what he’s talking about…

  151. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 11:27 am

    Damn Sydney weather………………… It sends the hounds crazy with fear

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/sydney-weather-the–picture-that-captures-story-of-citys-earlyseason-tempests-20141204-120q1p.html

  152. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 11:31 am

    That’s kinda what I figured you’d be doing.

    Yes, but on what is the real question

    the government’s proposed higher education package extends federal funding to students at private universities, TAFES and associate degree programs.

    It’s amazing what a bribe of a $60,000 for the child of the person touted as the next PM can get you. And our media, as ever, had their eyes fixed everywhere but the real crime in all of this.

    You can try and play stupid games with english

    Or you could write correct English

    When i said that Flannery said it would never rain again i meant it would never rain enough to fill up our dams.

    What you meant was you misrepresented what Flannery said, taken straight from bolt

    SALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer?

    PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We’re already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we’re getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that’s translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That’s because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that’s a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we’re going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation.

    http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm

    So they are talking about the future (which are already seeing on a smaller scale now), and he is talking about the “run-off” not making it to dams. Not actual reain fall.

    Go get a better English teacher is my advice 😉

    That shows he has some clue, as oppossed to Underpants Conroy

    Conroy had a far better grasp of technical details than hoochie coochie ever could dream of

  153. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2014 11:48 am

    “and he is talking about the “run-off” not making it to dams.

    Exactly. And he was wrong. Australia has always been a land of drought and floods.

    Flannery convinced people it would never rain again to fill our dams. Hence the billions of dollars spent on desal plants and a large increase in water bills.

  154. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 11:48 am

    “…………and he is talking about the “run-off” not making it to dams. Not actual reain fall.”

    But……..but………………but………..according to our chief water guru north of the Tweed dams are useless because of that thingy called evaporation and now we have all them desal plants to save us anyway.

    We just have to make sure the energy hungry desal plants have plenty of electricity so I suggest we dig up some more coal.

  155. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2014 12:23 pm

    I struggle to understand why I should pay higher taxes to subsidise rent seeking business and privatised industry with all their overpriced hangers on. I struggle to understand why my supposedly elected and taxpayer funded representatives do not do so, instead representing the interests of private enterprise and their lobbyists..

  156. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2014 12:28 pm

    “State=Church under Mad Monk: Cut CSIRO,

    AO

    This is so dishonest. It was the Rudd/Gillard govt who cut funding to the CSIRO. Abbott put in a hiring freeze.

    Why tell lies for political purposes?

  157. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 12:45 pm

    TR, have you noticed how the arguments are always why we can’t do anything … not how we can improve people’s lives and livelihood …

    And why do the most unproductive people in our society earns such stupid amounts of money? Actors, sportspeople, politicians, accountants … etc

    One of the prime reasons for the pipeline was that in a state as BIG as Queensland the rains doesn’t fall all over it at one time … in fact Brisbane residents discovered that the Gold Coast dam could be topped up from the three Brisbane dams … but when the GC dam was overflowing and Brisbane was down it couldn’t be pumped ‘tother way … that (and a whole network of two way pipelines has taken care of that issue …

    The desal plant was a stop-gap at the time because no-one could predict (that’s no-one) when the drought would break … and … the reasoning went … there WOULD be other droughts …

    As for evaporation … anyone who lives in Mexico obviously doesn’t “get” why Qld is called the Sunshine state nor its size and the fact that it is sub/tropical and desert all rolled into one …

    Where the real people work the temps can be as high as 50°C (try preventing evaporation) in summer and plunge to -6°C in winter (not much rain) …

  158. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 12:46 pm

    Why tell lies for political purposes?

    GURGLE! 😯

  159. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2014 12:52 pm

    Is Wally paid by taxes?

  160. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2014 12:54 pm

    People can choose not to consume the products of businesses they don’t like

    No one has that type of option when it comes to taxes.

  161. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 12:59 pm

    “Is Wally paid by taxes?”

    There are 2 possible answers to your question ToM

    1 ) Apparently Yes………………….but Wally has not received payment yet

    or

    2) TB is simply a stark raving leftist lunatic.

  162. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2014 12:59 pm

    “One of the prime reasons for the pipeline was that in a state as BIG as Queensland the rains doesn’t fall all over it at one time …

    NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The false prophet, Tim Flannery said it would never rain again like it used to so building a new dam is useless.

    So according to the false prophet we have no option but to build a desal plant.

    Building a new dam is useless according to the false prophet.

  163. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 1:03 pm

    The Market determines the price and level of demand for the service I supply. Not me and those I supply my services to can ditch me at anytime.

    There is no fat redundancy package,paid leave or paid sick days or counselling on termination ( other than that found in a bottle of fine pinot noir or shiraz)

  164. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 1:19 pm

    This is so dishonest. It was the Rudd/Gillard govt who cut funding to the CSIRO. Abbott put in a hiring freeze.

    Plus nil, plus. We actually went through this before. Your ability to forget cetain “inconvenient truths” is legendary 😉

    CSIRO to lose $110 million from Hockey’s budget slashing

    http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/apn-newsdeskthe-nations-chief-scientific-body-the-/2258459/

    Is Wally paid by taxes?

    Well, since hte GSt came in, I understand that wally’s services have become a big demand

    So I guess that means that wally is a recipient of grubmint largesse 🙂

    Tim Flannery said it would never rain again like it used to so

    Wow, just WOW 😯

    The Market determines the price and level of demand for the service I supply.

    Yes, and “the market” was ably supported by howards decision to implement the GST. So, basically, you are nothing more than a outsourced public servant 🙂

  165. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2014 1:29 pm

    “Plus nil, plus. We actually went through this before. Your ability to forget cetain “inconvenient truths” is legendary

    Yeah unethical troll, how long did it take to find that link. This link says this

    http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/nobel-prize-contender-san-thang-cut-from-csiro-20141201-11xvaf.html

    Last financial year CSIRO cut 513 positions in response to a Labor government-enforced efficiency drive, a recruitment freeze implemented by the Abbott government and falling external revenue”

    But in general i do not disagree with budget slashing if we cannot afford it. But the slashing was done by Labor.The Labor loving MSM tries to spin a different story.

    Labor just puts everything on the credit card.

    Howard funded everything and still ran a surplus. labor cannot fund anything even with a $50B deficit.

  166. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 1:32 pm

    Yeah unethical troll

    Yea, sorry for pointing out “facts” to you

    So, are denying the libs cut funding from the CSIRO this year?

  167. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 1:33 pm

    And he was wrong.

    are you able to show how, since, from where I’ve looked, it’s not yet “the future”

    Flannery convinced people it would never rain again to fill our dams.

    No he didn’t, bolt, and brainless followers, convinced themselves of something that was never said.

    dams are useless

    Well, perhaps you could point me to the particular comment you are referring to so I can gauge what was said that led you to believe this?

    Here’s a grodo like piccie fer ya’s 😉

  168. December 5, 2014 1:39 pm

    I’m so full of Christmas cheer I’m not even reading Nils fucktard comments.. I just glanced and saw Falannery.. didy dumm and figured this fucktard is in a denial time warp…
    Dont eat trough cakes folks .. they obviously impair tour intellect…

    Abbott Government is self destructing… and is it any wonder, was just a matter of time… Adults indeed
    Cool Stacked time lapse..

  169. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 1:45 pm

    What’s the bet bolt puts that up Ricky and thinks it’s a single photo proving …………… fuck knows what this time 😆

  170. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2014 1:45 pm

    “No he didn’t, bolt, and brainless followers, convinced themselves of something that was never said.”

    The internet troll/false prophet speaks falsehoods again.

    So Bolt would have argued for a desal plant rather than a new dam??

    It was ALP govts and their supporters who built the desal plants.

    I would never have built a desal plant.

  171. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 1:57 pm

    “But since 1998 particularly, we’ve seen just drought, drought, drought, and particularly regions like Sydney and the Warragamba catchment – if you look at the Warragamba catchment figures, since ‘98, the water has been in virtual freefall, and they’ve got about two years of supply left, but something will need to change in order to see the catchment start accumulating water again…. ”

    -Tim Flannery 2005

    Yes something did change……………….it rained !

    As usual TomR repeatedly requests links already supplied countless times. Much like when he claimed his mate Thommo actually settled against Fairfax in his favour. Which was just Bullshit

    “As the soil warms up more of the rain that falls evaporates and less goes into the dams and the point that I was trying to make was that even the rain that was falling then previously that was able to fill the dams in future wouldn’t do that.”

    All dams rely on runoff. To argue otherwise is complete BS. That’s why they call the area around dams “catchment areas”

    But TomR already knows that anyway

  172. Neil of Brisbane permalink
    December 5, 2014 2:04 pm

    “I would never have built a desal plant.”

    Then Brisbane would have run out of water during the floods of January 2013.
    http://theconversation.com/how-drought-infrastructure-can-help-us-get-through-floods-12056

  173. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 2:41 pm

    All dams rely on runoff.

    Yes, that is what Flannery said, as opposed to what nil claimed. But Flannery’s point, and it is being seen already as per the image above, is that less of this run-off will make it to the dams

    All I asked for in regards to a “link”, was what comment made you think TB (I assume it is) meant “dams are useless ” So you don’t need to send a link, just tell me waht comment made you make that claim? It really isn’t all that hard, is it, even for a glorified public servant :developer: 😉

  174. Neil of Brisbane permalink
    December 5, 2014 3:02 pm

    I see the right wing apologists on this site like to cherry pick and quote out of context?

    “MAXINE McKEW: So does that mean, really, we’re faced with – if that’s right – back-to-back droughts and continuing thirsty cities?

    TIM FLANNERY: That’s right. That looks to be the case. We’ll know probably within two or three years, I suppose, how this is going to play out, particularly for Sydney, because its water supply is limited to that sort of scale, but it is my fear that the new weather regime is going to be a much drier one, and while we may get the odd good rainfall event, they’re going to be much less frequent than in the past, and we’ll just be in a different climatic regime.

    MAXINE McKEW: Well, I’m not asking you to be alarmist, but in fact, what would you say is a plausible worst-case scenario that you and, say, other scientists in the Wentworth Group have come to agree on?

    TIM FLANNERY: Well, the worst-case scenario for Sydney is that the climate that’s existed for the last seven years continues for another two years. In that case, Sydney will be facing extreme difficulties with water, and of course, large cities are the most vulnerable of all structures to water deficit because you’ve got 4 million people there who need water just for everyday survival, and in the case of Sydney, there’s very few back-up reserves. Sydney’s ground water supplies are only about 13 gigalitres, which is about 10 days’ worth of supply. So there are not many options for Sydney and, of course, without water you can’t make power, you can’t wash, you can’t clean your food, you can’t have industry. So there are some quite severe problems if the current trend continues. I really do hope that that doesn’t happen, but as I say, something will have to change in order for Sydney to get out of that predicted future.

    MAXINE McKEW: Let’s look at just how well prepared we are for this. Now, in terms of, say, New South Wales, in fact what we saw yesterday was a joint initiative by the Prime Minister and the Premier, Bob Carr, to provide incentives to farmers to in fact preserve and limit ground water. Surely that’s a move in the right direction?

    TIM FLANNERY: Oh, it absolutely is. Look, for me at the moment, even if you think there’s only a 10 per cent chance that this rainfall deficit’s going to continue for another few years, you’d be pulling out all stops to preserve water, because every litre you use now on your car or your garden or whatever else, you might want to be drinking in a year’s time. So I would be, I think – if I had a say – trying to really ration water at the moment, just because of the great uncertainty involved.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1389827.htm

  175. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 3:53 pm

    So Bolt would have argued for a desal plant rather than a new dam??

    I’m still trying to figure out why, whatever Bolt would do, is so important? WTF does Kneel think Bolt is … the fkn Messiah?

    All I asked for in regards to a “link”, was what comment made you think TB (I assume it is) meant “dams are useless ”

    Try …

    A new dam would have been less expensive. (Kneel … )

    Another Dickwit statement … look up evaporation … (TB)

    Maybe this?

    The desal plant was built during a drought … that, Kneel, means there is no rain = no fkn water to put in your new dam … but a desal plant could at least help to replenish the dama already built and, with a pipeline grid, be transferred to dams with the most need …

    It’s was kindergarten logic then … now its … amoebic!

  176. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 3:56 pm

    “………..just tell me waht comment made you make that claim? It really isn’t all that hard, is it”

    Your comrade in arms……….. the Guru of The Gullible …………….the Safari Suit of the Sunshine State………….said as much when NoS suggested a new dam would have been cheaper

    “A new dam would have been less expensive.” – NoS

    “Another Dickwit statement … look up evaporation … ” – TB’s reply

    I dont see why I would need to link to it. Its not that difficult to find above. Unless like me you hardly bother reading TB’s bitter comments these days

  177. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 3:57 pm

    And the irony of the above … I think Flannery is a Fuckwit® and I’m a climate change sceptic … but logical engineering is something only ideologues, ill informed children and fools would argue against …

  178. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 4:05 pm

    Unless like me you hardly bother reading TB’s bitter comments these days

    A few issues for you, Wally …

    You have to get off yer shiny arse and do some real work … or at least go and see what real people do to keep you in business (I have no idea how you can comment here so much – if you say what you say you do)

    You’ve only ever read my comments … you certainly don’t comprehend them …

    The only reason you think my comments are “bitter” is because you would like to be able to get away with bullying your argument rather than making a logical, researched comment …

    Continue to support the stupidity of Kneel and suffer the consequences of association …

  179. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 4:06 pm

    Interview in 2005

    TIM FLANNERY: That’s right. That looks to be the case. We’ll know probably within two or three years, I suppose, how this is going to play out, particularly for Sydney, because its water supply is limited to that sort of scale, but it is my fear that the new weather regime is going to be a much drier one, and while we may get the odd good rainfall event, they’re going to be much less frequent than in the past, and we’ll just be in a different climatic regime.

    So he said ………….”We’ll know probably within two or three years, I suppose, how this is going to play out, particularly for Sydney,”

    Well the current dam level is 85.2% http://www.sca.nsw.gov.au/

    And yes “the science is in” ………………….it keeps fucking raining LOL

  180. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 4:29 pm

    Well the current dam level is 85.2%

    Unlike brain levels 8.52% would be generous …

  181. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 5, 2014 4:35 pm

    Apparently energy intensive desal plants that spoil the coast are vital to our environment

  182. Splatterbottom permalink
    December 5, 2014 4:43 pm

    “But Flannery’s point, and it is being seen already as per the image above, is that less of this run-off will make it to the dams”

    Guess what? – the dams are full again. And we would have much more water if more dams had been built. Instead stupid ALP governments bought Flannery’s fear-mongering and spent billions building desal plants, being willingly screwed by unions in the process. That’s how things go down in Unionland. The public gets fucked over by self-aggrandising hucksters, unions cash in and the bill keeps getting bigger year by year. The desal plant scam was a criminal enterprise bought to you by the ALP and its leeches. And, surprise surprise, loathsome toadies like Troll R still carry the candle for this corruption.

  183. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 4:52 pm

    I dont see why I would need to link to it.

    Probably because, having read TB’s comments, I couldn’t find one where he said dams are useless

    And, just to be pedantic, I didn’t ask you to link to it, just point me to it somehow (which you finally did by repeating it, I found it easily enough from there)

    And, as I assumed, you once again were putting words into his mouth, unsurprisingly

    So he said ………….”We’ll know probably within two or three years, I suppose, how this is going to play out, particularly for Sydney,”

    precisely. He was asked for a “worse case” example, which he offered up,and which morons misrepresent to make it out even worse than what he said. Some even claimed he said it wouldn’t rain ROFL

    Unfortunately though, you seem to be bragging that Sydney is only at 85% capacity at the end of winter. 😯

    it keeps fucking raining

    Who said it wouldn’t?

    Maybe I’ll link to my grodopic again 😉

  184. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 5:29 pm

    Tell you what, build a dam in the middle of a drought and guess how much water IT will hold …

    I have a fire blanket in my kitchen its never been used … I do hope you lot have one.

    Fires happen when least expected … as for droughts …

  185. armchair opinionator permalink
    December 5, 2014 5:29 pm

    “…People can choose not to consume the products of businesses they don’t like

    No one has that type of option when it comes to taxes…”

    That’s exactly what I was saying re taxpayer funded subsidies going to private enterprise. I can choose not to consume but they still get $ from government (my taxes).

  186. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 5:31 pm

    TR, what that bar graph needs desperately is a trend line …

  187. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 5:31 pm

    “Unfortunately though, you seem to be bragging that Sydney is only at 85% capacity at the end of winter. ”

    Keeo going at it TomR………………….one day you might get it right………..LOL

    “Precipitation is slightly higher during the first half of the year when easterly winds dominate (February–June), and lower in the second half (mainly July–September).”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Sydney#Precipitation

    Which means we are currently moving into our wetter months.

  188. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 5:35 pm

    Ironically no, egg … LOL!

  189. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 5:37 pm

    one day you might get it right.

    You mean like … pointing out who said it wouldn’t rain again? I note you missed that bit 😉

  190. Walrus permalink
    December 5, 2014 5:39 pm

    “Probably because, having read TB’s comments, I couldn’t find one where he said dams are useless ”

    FFS……….why did he snidely brush aside NoS’ comment by referring to “evaporation” if that was not the implication of Dam v Desal ?

    Back to your old “Carbon Tax versus Carbon Price” games I see

  191. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 5, 2014 5:52 pm

    “Guess what? – the dams are full again. And we would have much more water if more dams had been built”

    Exactly.

    It will eventually rain so you store for the drought times. I believe Sydney has enough water for 4 or 5 years without any rain. Another dam could push that up to 8 years. And it will eventually rain.

    TB- you store water in times of plenty for the drought times. Get it?

  192. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 6:24 pm

    TB- you store water in times of plenty for the drought times. Get it?

    And if its exposed to the sun it evaporates the more you use it … till it rains … You have a water tanks do you?** … droughts last up to seven years … a dam doesn’t make it rain … and they take YEARS to build … and are (just like desal plants) costly to construct and maintain … but before that happens you have to find a good spot to place them … and then the fun begins because people usually live there …

    And you and Wally grumble about the ALP decision all you want the desal plant is done … my concern is what The Abbott & The Acolytes are building for themselves and their cronies at the people’s expense …

    The NSW ICAC is now under threat as because its “powers” are too extensive … Robber Barons at work …

    ** We have a water tank and we manage the water (we use it for drinking and the garden) … not as easy as you would think … unless you have a water tank, then you would know …

  193. Tom R permalink
    December 5, 2014 6:32 pm

    why did he snidely brush aside NoS’ comment

    Because that is the most polite way to deal with nils rubbish, snidely 😉

    What is it with some people’s deliberate(?) ignorance of “context”, ably highlighted by Neil of Brisbane later in this thread

    Another dam could push that up to 8 years.

    Wow, and this, just after being reminded about “evaporation”

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  194. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 6:52 pm

    Welcome to my world … if you don’t think older Australians are still supporting the country think again … as has been mentioned here before by, Kneel … we were paying 13% for our mortgage and in 1970, I couldn’t afford a 6.5% loan on my wage!

    Still, we didn’t “have” to have the latest “smart” phone (and “package”) , LED TV, Playstation, tattoos, the latest car, party in town (we partyed at home) … but then bringing up a couple of very successful kids and their kids is more than enough compensation …

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/rate-cuts-on-bank-accounts-and-term-deposits-hurt-retirees/story-e6frfmn0-1227146267936

  195. TB Queensland permalink
    December 5, 2014 6:55 pm

    I reckon my new gravatar is pretty cool! Thanks, Wally, about time you did something positive … ❤

  196. December 6, 2014 12:33 am

    Best gravatar EVER!

    I’m almost inspired to change mine up.

  197. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2014 7:29 am

    That’s exactly what I was saying re taxpayer funded subsidies going to private enterprise. 

    That’s fair enough, but I haven’t noticed you discussing this difference of opinion with Ton R, when he is such a vociferous supporter of taxpayer subsidies to multinational corporations

  198. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2014 8:19 am

    when he is such a vociferous supporter of taxpayer subsidies to multinational corporations

    Something about Australian Jobs comes into play there yomm. although, it’s hardly surprising that you overlooked that insignificant (to some) detail.

  199. Tom of Melbourne permalink
    December 6, 2014 8:34 am

    What proportion of business subsidies do you think might be justified on the basis of jobs (or economic growth)?

    Can you name any other reason that politicians use to justify taxpayer subsidies to business?

  200. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2014 8:42 am

    Can you name any other reason that politicians use to justify taxpayer subsidies to business?

    Getting free Uni courses for their kids?

    Judgement Of Heaven

    Supporting struggling Billionaire miners

    Supporting struggling Billionaire bankers

    What proportion of business subsidies do you think might be justified on the basis of jobs (or economic growth)?

    Well I guess that depends on if the String is European or African 😯

  201. December 6, 2014 8:53 am

    ”””Well, some people pronounce it ‘Wang’,
    some people pronounce it ‘Wong’.”””#poodle-talk

    ”””’It depends on where you are in the spectrum””#mincing

  202. December 6, 2014 9:22 am

    ””””I struggle to understand why I should pay higher taxes to subsidise rent seeking business and privatised industry with all their overpriced hangers on. I struggle to understand why my supposedly elected and taxpayer funded representatives do not do so, instead representing the interests of private enterprise and their lobbyists”””#ditto

    # l also struggle to see the value of tax-payer dollars, poured into things like the auto industry, without `collateral` for that money, and just `what` is the total.?

    #Nor do l see the `value` in the squillions$ spent on off-shore gulags to bastardize people, merely for traveling by boat.

    #The over-priced, single-use flying trash-cans(F35) will also prove to be another roaring cash-bonfire too, why don`t the tea-tards moan and groan about that. The so-called `economic-responsibility` either `team` claims is total horse-shit in my book.

  203. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2014 9:34 am

    without `collateral` for that money

    You mean like supporting Australian jobs, the many feeder industries relying on the auto industry and the pool of highly skilled tradesmen that other industries like Mining bleed off them in their time of need?

    That sort of “collateral” you mean?

  204. December 6, 2014 9:48 am

    ”””That sort of “collateral” (#do)you mean?”””

    # The same type of collateral a bank demands, (or a stock issue or penalty contract, as any other investor.) Not just corporate welfare, which it has been from day-1, from both `teams`, State/s and Fed.

    ”””like supporting Australian jobs””’
    #That went well didn`t it, as auto flogged off to punters their carburettor, gear-box, and engine plants, and then imported those components, not to mention the robotic assembly lines. #stooge

  205. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2014 9:54 am

    The same type of collateral a bank demands

    It’s not a fucken bank, it’s an industry that entire societies used to rely on (and many other ones also) It was about providing a future with skills for Australians. Now, we can pour coffees, or sweep floors. Thanks yabot.

    That went well didn`t it

    And not because of the treatment this Government gave our Industry

    Whilst other countries are protecting and shielding their industries, our grubmint was selling them out to jack up their international “negotiating” creds

  206. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2014 10:09 am

    Supporting struggling Billionaire bankers

    Supporting Family Trusts

    Supporting Rich Mothers

    Supporting Wannabe Property Magnates

    Supporting Politician’s (they’re not speshul) Post Political Perqs

    Supporting Banks via $9 billion of Taxpayer Money

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    … our grubmint was selling them out to jack up their international “negotiating” creds

    Well its certainly not my grubmint, TR … and I notice that The Abbott & The Acolytes Canberra Cemetery claims ownership of the latest FTA’s although negotiations had been ongoing for a decade …

    That sort of shit used to annoy the crap out of me at work when my bosses would take cred for my work …

  207. December 6, 2014 10:14 am

    ”””People can choose not to consume the products of businesses they don’t like”””
    #wrong, there are some you just can`t avoid like petrol, no matter how much people hate big-oil, even if they don`t have a car, they still end-up giving big-oil some profit via `any` transported goods they buy, or electronics, which are all have `plastic` cases
    (#plastic is made from oil)

    ”””No one has that type of option when it comes to taxes”””
    #seems recently there has been much noise about tax-havens and zero%tax businesses, and huffing and puffing from mr-eleventy

    #Both are teabag talk-points. Both are horse-shit.

    .

    ”””I can choose not to consume”””
    # only to a very limited degree armchair, you can`t choose to avoid big-oil, its in so much you could never avoid all of it.

    #Care about orangutans.? You can`t avoid `palm-oil` neither (as-above)

    #Do you support slavery and child sweatshops.? You can`t avoid footware, clothing and manchester that doesn`t have those inputs. #illusion-of-freedom

  208. December 6, 2014 10:14 am

  209. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2014 10:15 am

    Too be honest TB, they did seal the deal, but through methods no other Government would consider, selling off our industries for ‘cred”

  210. December 6, 2014 10:29 am

    ””’It’s not a fucken bank,””’#correct

    ”””it’s an industry that entire societie””’#wrong

    #it a fcuking govt/s that is meant to govern for the `entire` society, not merely throw `our` cash around recklessly, without collateral, at election time, which is largely what State/s and Fed did, both teams. #team-stooging

  211. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2014 10:44 am

    for the `entire` society

    ‘lisbeth will be glad that they are no longer part of a “society”

    And if you don’t think that the Automotive industry benefitted the “entire” society then you are about to be educated once they are gone (and manufacturing with it).

    Sarah Ferguson is probably quite glad that she hasn’t won an award that has in the past been given to a story that blamed Wivenhoe damn operators for floods, only to have them exonerated in the ensuing investigation, amongst other massive fails on the behalf of our msm that has then been given similar “awards”

  212. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2014 11:12 am

    “And if you don’t think that the Automotive industry benefitted the “entire” society then you are about to be educated once they are gone (and manufacturing with it).”

    It was already gone. Local sales crashed under Labor until they reached a low of only 10% of total sales.

    The lesson to be learned is that subsides do not work. Subsidies only produced cars that nobody wanted to buy. Our market is small. But if in such a small market you can only get 10% of the market you are in big trouble.

    Auto makers would have left under Labor if they were still in power. Australia does not need your false opinions on manufacturing TomR. You do nothing but further damage.

  213. Meta permalink
    December 6, 2014 11:14 am

    (Careful, Tweetie; freemarket/lemon/lemonade capitalism doesn’t do equity buyins, it only does bailouts, when it comes to ‘national’, but never ‘nationalised’, industry(ies); moreover, and on a similar theme, you’re straying awfully close to the commun(itarian)ism-masquerading-as-social-capital(ism)-line which allows for antithetical tendencies like noisy/silent (public/public-private/private) consortia/partnerships and, worst of all, state-(part/wholly/permanently/temporarily/scheduled-for-deregulation/privatisation)owned/funded enterprises.)

  214. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2014 11:22 am

    Looks like the Canberra Cemetery is digging graves …

    Liberal leaks hint at eroded trust

    Abbott chaired the Expenditure Review Committee. Abbott’s office, under Credlin’s command and control structure, is at the heart of every decision. The Prime Minister and the Treasurer are joined at the hip. Or perhaps, the hip-pocket nerve. If Joe’s on the nose, the PM by definition is just as pongy.

    And there is the added element that Hockey’s Budget proved toxic primarily because Abbott lacked the ticker to tell voters the truth before last year’s election. Abbott made promises he obviously knew could not be kept. Hapless Hockey can hardly be held responsible for his leader’s political cowardice.

    Ironically … with thunderstorms overhead and heavy rain … we’re preparing to meet up with family at Somerset Dam …

  215. December 6, 2014 11:25 am

    lisbeth an `olden`ill will be fine, manufacturing will continue, an `ice` will provide growth in both `crime` and `law-enforcement`, we are now running the `detroit`plan,

    .

    teh-auto industry was never about providing `benefit` to `society`, but profit to shareholders, you are making a fool of ya`self to say otherwise,

    .

    teh-auto industry imploded under its own hand, failed to build product consumers actually want, because it failed to innovate and preferred to specialize in extorting govts around the world for hand-outs,

    bad decisions in detroit, they junked their own electric cars instead of develop them, last time in 1990`s, to their own detriment, while india and china `have` developed electric cars, too fcuking late now

  216. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2014 11:35 am

    but profit to shareholders

    Of course it did. But, it also provided so much more. And manufacturing WILL die, once the plants close. Already, feeder industries are closing at a frightening rate.

    It also explains why the grubmint wants to get rid of subs. I’m not sure we can produce subs without the automotive industry to support it.

    As for nils “10% shit, all car companies go through troughs and highs. a decade ago, Mazda were the shits. Now, they’re back at the top. Holden got hammered by the GFC, our high dollar, and fleets buying oversees models instead of supporting local (as other countries do)

    We, again, are “going it alone” with “Free Trade”, to the detriment of Australian jobs and our long term future as anything but a Quarry.

    Our grubmint cut off an economically viable industry (well, as viable as any other countries car industries, with their different protectionist rackets running) and will soon (perhaps already) reap the extensive damage that will do across the larger economy.

    All for “negotiating cred”

  217. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2014 11:39 am

    freemarket/lemon/lemonade capitalism doesn’t do equity buyins

    The MIners might disagree, as might the fuel companies with their generous “tax benefits”

    Perhaps the car companies should get preferential tax treatment like that, instead of “handouts” that are easily seen and calculated by the majority.

    But manufacturing as a whole are treated with contempt by this grubmint, while big miners and fuel companies continue to reap this grubmints largesse

  218. Neil of Sydney permalink
    December 6, 2014 12:28 pm

    Here is a statement from the FALSE PROPHET, Mr Tim Flannery which he prophesied in 2005.

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1389827.htm

    MAXINE McKEW: Well, I’m not asking you to be alarmist, but in fact, what would you say is a plausible worst-case scenario that you and, say, other scientists in the Wentworth Group have come to agree on?

    TIM FLANNERY: Well, the worst-case scenario for Sydney is that the climate that’s existed for the last seven years continues for another two years. In that case, Sydney will be facing extreme difficulties with water, and of course, large cities are the most vulnerable of all structures to water deficit because you’ve got 4 million people there who need water just for everyday survival, and in the case of Sydney, there’s very few back-up reserves. Sydney’s ground water supplies are only about 13 gigalitres, which is about 10 days’ worth of supply. So there are not many options for Sydney and, of course, without water you can’t make power, you can’t wash, you can’t clean your food, you can’t have industry. So there are some quite severe problems if the current trend continues. I really do hope that that doesn’t happen, but as I say, something will have to change in order for Sydney to get out of that predicted future.

  219. Tom R permalink
    December 6, 2014 12:30 pm

    which he prophesied

    read the statement that provides the “context” you so readily dismiss/ignore

    Well, the worst-case scenario for Sydney

  220. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2014 12:48 pm

    I’m almost inspired to change mine up.

    Go on, Toillette, something from GoT …

    https://www.google.com.au/search?newwindow=1&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1637&bih=911&q=game+of+thrones+symbols+of+houses&oq=Game+of+thrones+symbols&gs_l=img.1.1.0l4.2170.18909.0.21480.25.16.1.8.8.0.369.2938.0j11j2j1.14.0.msedr…0…1ac.1.58.img..2.23.3032.MOiLTYKkNN0

    I must say that I’d intended to use the new gravatar temporarily but its here to stay … says it all really … and grows on ya …

    … can’t wait for, Wally, to change his … he’d need an IT specialist but would be too stingy to pay for a decent one …

  221. TB Queensland permalink
    December 6, 2014 12:49 pm

  222. December 6, 2014 8:59 pm

    ”””manufacturing WILL die,”””
    #has been since 1970`s, started with textiles and footwear,
    .
    ”””once the plants close.”””
    #been closing since 1970s
    .
    ””Already, ”’feeder”’ industries are closing at a frightening rate.””
    #so-called ”’feeder”’ plants, are those engine and gearbox plants auto sold-to-suckers, then started importing the components, told ya`that already
    .
    ””’It also explains why the grubmint wants to get rid of subs.””
    ””’I’m not sure we can produce subs without the automotive industry to support it.””
    #the ”’subs”’ ie-corporate welfare, won`t save`em, never would, only `might` delay the inevitable, they can never compete with the open-slather free-trade stupidity both teams have welded themselves to, no industry OR profession can,

    .

    #put this on ya`watchlist TomR, watch education `sales` start to flounder as `Harvard` Level local student hex-debts and foreign student fees rise, and students then flock `to` Harvard, none of our `uni` degrees are as `prized` as Harvard, and the students won`t be staying here to pay Harvard level costs

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